and hope for the best
< 1345449358 239286 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345449368 546207 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345449382 888495 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345449407 651794 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345450426 704936 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345450838 881239 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I kept the code I used to check for myself that what some blogger said was wrong
< 1345451450 964118 :impomatic!~digital_w@12.232.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 
 works for me.  I haven't found anything built in.  You probably need to convert < and > in your code to HTML entities.  Alternatively your editor might have an export to HTML feature...
< 1345451496 505171 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This comment by someone else summarized what my post will be about: "And now that I've actually read what that cl:let* is used for, it's not needed all. The body of DEFMACRO is read at read time, so the LET* it uses will be CL:LET*, if the macro is later expanded in a package which has a different LET*, the macro-expnsion still will have CL:LET*, since there's no reading invovled during macroexpansion."
< 1345452181 421920 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345452535 214239 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345452872 84629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345453410 219581 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345453698 470959 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be happy if Smalltalk method names were namespaced.
< 1345453702 816978 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I said that before?
< 1345453728 353681 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B546.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345453989 214615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, the secret to happiness!
< 1345454160 323997 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in a love/hate relationship with the idea of continuation-based web programming.
< 1345454264 653292 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by PO
< 1345454278 944044 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345454300 687130 :impomatic!~digital_w@12.232.125.91.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric
< 1345454564 967417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomfoolion
< 1345454570 628380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always fooling the toms.
< 1345454740 426510 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ton
< 1345455539 758640 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"buffoon, clown," 1640s, from Middle English Thom Foole, personification of a mentally deficient man (mid-14th century), see Tom + fool
< 1345455669 840668 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name Tom (short for Thomas), was "often a generic name for any male representative of the common people" (OED), so any fool walking down the street was labeled a Tom fool. We still use Tom to refer to a random man in the phrase "Tom, Dick, and Harry."
< 1345455679 394069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: What's itidus21?
< 1345455696 306072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I meant male cat.
< 1345455700 851288 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think elliott programmed it in sh.
< 1345455813 156455 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I know, and that was an answer.
< 1345456518 960781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders a macroapply macro

< 1345456536 614858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should come up with the inverse of a macro.
< 1345456555 772334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where you write code and it generates a function that generates that code.
< 1345456555 933397 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, being unable to pass environments to eval makes it ... not really a doable thing
< 1345456558 759324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call it a micro.
< 1345456595 24022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, either I'm misunderstanding or you're asking me to make ... a quine? Or a quine generator?
< 1345456609 23530 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think I see
< 1345456615 16670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what I'm asking.
< 1345456620 225619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to make a pun, man. :-(
< 1345456647 990824 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puns are how all great ideas start!
< 1345456684 685173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, once your idea is completely deciphered, it will revolutionize computing
< 1345456695 75339 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the creator doesn't understand it.
< 1345456719 496969 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I may be going too far. 
< 1345456721 494523 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shuts up

< 1345457691 772590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1345457762 550515 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-146-231.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1345457861 209110 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-140-26.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345457966 89353 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :thecode -> print "thecode"
< 1345459300 40239 :kidanger!~kidanger@240.141.91.79.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345461298 607246 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf, either I'm misunderstanding or you're asking me to make ... a quine? Or a quine generator?
< 1345461307 610431 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's asking for a 2-state quine.
< 1345461311 424947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not asking you to make anything, Phantom_Hoover.
< 1345461315 292576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Sgeo.
< 1345461318 322908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whichever one.
< 1345461539 320746 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's little real difference.
< 1345462126 764598 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of imaginary difference though.
< 1345462137 530955 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rather complex.
< 1345462927 611347 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345462935 855532 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345462950 194686 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345462968 981610 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345463541 69406 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1345463598 820004 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345463963 656821 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-68.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345465093 565257 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti
< 1345465184 239539 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345465592 38876 :Wolfsbane!Wolfsbane@mou60-1-82-246-213-96.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345466236 933114 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345466264 212528 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345466720 163526 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-68.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1345467444 393559 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345467487 657267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345467503 54738 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345467533 275969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345467547 612623 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345467584 726887 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345467959 50 :Wolfsbane!Wolfsbane@mou60-1-82-246-213-96.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric
< 1345468584 735651 :nooga!~nooga@ip-93-154-167-46.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345468714 858228 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1345468721 420880 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345468836 430953 :nooga!~nooga@ip-93-154-167-46.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345469151 253707 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
< 1345469162 503629 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1345469166 31217 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1345469366 586908 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345469445 965752 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the preceding comments.
< 1345469791 7941 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi #esoteric
< 1345469881 720837 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ｈａｉ
< 1345469971 507799 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345470433 545487 :nooga!~nooga@ip-93-154-167-46.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345470441 981068 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION downloads Sarah Palin vs. the Moon Nazis

< 1345470454 174960 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That film was funneh.
< 1345470469 45329 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that better or worse than "funny"?
< 1345470492 774412 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked it.
< 1345470505 729913 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would watch again.
< 1345470784 597962 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: didn't that have a different name?
< 1345471085 786504 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely wonders what & means in a Perl argument list

< 1345471133 95920 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345471320 341164 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the film is actually called _Iron Sky_
< 1345471364 62058 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a way to make new syntax in Perl, apparently
< 1345471368 874373 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I jealous just yet?
< 1345471406 177925 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it seems to be a Tcl-esque-except-not-quite way of doing things
< 1345471426 547326 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This breaks the lexical. (Note: I don't know if it actually breaks lexical anything)
< 1345471751 467080 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1345471866 330707 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1345472508 157546 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :proc don't (&) {}
< 1345472509 522997 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1345472534 335907 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1345472552 69910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sad-crab-this-kills-the-crab
< 1345472557 978217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Acme-Don-t-1.01/t.pm
< 1345472567 101860 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's sub don't (&) {}
< 1345472664 944003 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't you call that the parameter list rather than the argument list?
< 1345472672 541792 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i didn't know perl even has a parameter list, i'm clearly behind the times
< 1345472683 256035 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's a parameter list
< 1345472696 850401 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the docs I found called it a prototype list?
< 1345472700 503291 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1345472745 482331 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://perldoc.perl.org/perlsub.html#Prototypes
< 1345472751 594252 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The interesting thing about & is that you can generate new syntax with it, provided it's in the initial position:
< 1345472751 740462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1345472806 805781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1345472962 701847 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sort of
< 1345472987 149679 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just lets you use a lambda as an argument without the "sub" keyword
< 1345472989 912256 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of blocks in ruby
< 1345473187 438874 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345473338 547660 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345474530 300649 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345475261 866187 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1345475413 844894 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really "new syntax"
< 1345475557 232591 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And *some* languages have so lightweight lambda syntax they don’t need any special syntax for passing a single lambda argument. :-)
< 1345475623 33026 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, like C#
< 1345475693 912854 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly
< 1345475714 550678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345475776 235600 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345475787 97179 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345477833 23207 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1345479889 642331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like The Internationale music? I try to make a rearrangement for NES/Famicom, based on someone else's arrangement
< 1345480377 25781 :impomatic!~digital_w@12.232.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345480546 637348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I use channels ABGHIJKLMNa but I want to add channels CD as well.
< 1345480752 716584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ABMNa = square, C = triangle, D = noise, GHIJKL = FM synth)
< 1345481962 232113 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by PO
< 1345482106 527557 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345483090 7468 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-68.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345483642 362678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good to write a percussion are you a percussionist would you know to help such things?
< 1345483897 763966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What key do you think The Internationale should be played in?
< 1345484133 987668 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c sharp
< 1345484166 644303 :jlaire!~jlaire@80-248-244-51.cust.suomicom.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :f shaaaaaaaaaarp
< 1345484182 19815 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to quote kmc
< 1345484189 271212 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, like C#
< 1345484224 144003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that out of context?
< 1345484236 725738 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's within the context of #esoteric
< 1345484264 870933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, is the quotation out of context of my question?
< 1345484267 877982 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically though it's way out of context
< 1345484388 295357 :jlaire!~jlaire@80-248-244-51.cust.suomicom.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my quote was even more so
< 1345484404 738419 :jlaire!~jlaire@80-248-244-51.cust.suomicom.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION np. Tim Minchin - F Sharp

< 1345484514 247460 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trolling to the tune of F# - Jon D. Harrop
< 1345484545 57068 :jlaire!~jlaire@80-248-244-51.cust.suomicom.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost as good
< 1345484590 471486 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PART :#esoteric
< 1345486871 350174 :impomatic!~digital_w@12.232.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: impomatic
< 1345487387 20026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to add channel C and D to this arrangement of Internationale but I am not a very good percussionist. I could add C by myself but needs help for D channel noise.
< 1345487413 135297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even add O (saw) channel!
< 1345487521 369676 :nooga!~nooga@ip-78-30-93-30.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345488334 142742 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti
< 1345488916 597896 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345489218 201968 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the Internationale
< 1345489222 138549 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i frequently find myself humming it
< 1345489247 88766 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? internationale
< 1345489257 408109 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have been reported to the House Un-American Activities Committee
< 1345489258 940670 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1345489315 934260 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMMUNISTS!
< 1345489330 256921 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. socialist
< 1345489356 887410 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly what a commie bastard would say
< 1345489367 795966 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1345489375 105132 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :             -. .
< 1345489375 251396 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :        _____   ',',
< 1345489375 251569 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ,'     ,'   ', ',
< 1345489375 251675 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ,'     ,'      |  |
< 1345489375 251817 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :   \       \       |  |
< 1345489377 606035 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :     \ /^\   \    ,' ,'
< 1345489380 123245 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :           \   \ ,' ,'
< 1345489382 649341 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :     / ~-.___\.-'  ,'
< 1345489385 113642 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :   /   .______.- ~ \
< 1345489387 638400 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : /   /'          \   \
< 1345489390 121378 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \./               \/'
< 1345489392 650453 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D
< 1345489444 847326 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fouund this one in HackEgo's fortune database
< 1345489482 997600 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1345489488 46142 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :☭
< 1345489500 141365 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is bigger
< 1345489505 761658 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1345489507 451380 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :⊤
< 1345489576 656128 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that. fbcon doesn't show that one
< 1345489581 385006 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*?
< 1345489653 879013 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345489660 319891 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that drinking song I was thinking about was to the melody of the internationale after all, but some part in the middle of it
< 1345489668 469815 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345489670 371875 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'DOWN TACK' (U+22A4)
< 1345489675 71976 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1345489681 248235 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :used in mathematics for "true" or for the top of a lattice
< 1345489695 367497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added that ASCII art to my own fortune database now
< 1345489750 753310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using only the music for The Internationale, not the lyrics; I prefer instrumental music that is why.
< 1345489787 780901 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have that constatly show at the top of tty4 which shows info about my system like who is using it, free memory amount, disk space usage and uptime
< 1345489833 253967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what I have so far:   http://sprunge.us/GCKd   I intend to add C channel, and possibly other channels such as D or O or b channel, or others
< 1345489852 179847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: What is?
< 1345489867 964608 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that ascii art
< 1345489878 589551 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345489878 735573 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345489881 30295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: OK.
< 1345490105 702462 :impomatic!~digital_w@12.232.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345490352 9191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a lot of channels in the thing.
< 1345490392 416420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Say something relevant about the SID, please.
< 1345490393 169075 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the values shown.
< 1345490403 106500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What?
< 1345490404 329098 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cb13cb12cb11 d7 d6 d5 d4 d3 d2 d1 d0 rc2 rc1 rc0 data. this assures tod will always cause any character you want to see how it's set in order to use the and function lets you check if the answer is yes then that number must be specified in the
< 1345490480 686900 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: SID SID SID
< 1345490481 598497 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: load"fun",8 ( load a file on disk), you must poke 648 with the next numbers in the kernal for machine language routine that sets the tape.
< 1345490490 678415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Lot of channels? Yes it uses three expansions, and eleven channels in total. And now I will add triangle channel as well.
< 1345490542 998560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPMCK supports 28 channels in total but I know of no music using all 28 channels.
< 1345490562 941952 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^styles
< 1345490570 884103 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1345490571 738302 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64* ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1345490583 787344 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is wp wikipedia?
< 1345490601 898935 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there no "all" style?
< 1345490632 780386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you add it support a "all" style?
< 1345490686 263919 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be neat if it actually worked to mention SID and get a SID-related response
< 1345490743 103228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not easily, if you mean an "automatic" all style. It'd be easiest just to make a combined model.
< 1345490773 857702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do mean an automatic all style, whether or not that is what olsner means.
< 1345490806 201025 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatically making that combined model sounds easier than having someone manually regenerate the all style after changing any of the other styles
< 1345490816 279086 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345490830 52613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Not if you have to implement the former in Funge-98.
< 1345490876 545087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be possible, of course. Just not terribly easy. It doesn't actually "load" the models anywhere, just does a lot of seeking and small reads.
< 1345491087 61109 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose Funge-98 might make it unnecessarily difficult
< 1345491213 253129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the combined model, it'd at least have to load the current "node" from all open models, in order to sum the counts.
< 1345491233 432929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it doesn't do that at the moment even for the single model.
< 1345491308 286753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just reads the (stored in the file) sum of all counts, generates a random number < that, and then keeps reading and stops when it hit whatever it hit.
< 1345491396 585713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a binary search on the list of children to walk down the tree, that's also done by a seek-read-etc. kind of way.
< 1345491858 778510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then make a program which will make up the combined model automatically, and run that program whenever you update the other files.
< 1345491888 361372 :AriesAsrael!~AriesAsra@104.Red-83-52-236.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1345491893 185964 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1345491932 228461 :AriesAsrael!~AriesAsra@104.Red-83-52-236.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone looking for a tarot reading?
< 1345491934 174791 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345491952 64934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AriesAsrael: I don't know others but I am not looking for a tarot reading.
< 1345491965 864109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AriesAsrael: I am, however, looking to buy some tarot cards to play a game.
< 1345492987 843913 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fungot doesn't actually look at what is being said to it at all, is it? Just that something is being said
< 1345492988 325520 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: these special sprite abilities make it play arcade-style action games. you would use the listen routine is directed through this alternate vector, the
< 1345493001 854770 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignoring of course the other functionality
< 1345493658 36097 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1345493658 756755 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this same area is larger than 4k bytes, that line is high for basic operation. if you have selected a bank, by using subroutines rather than repeating the same location as the 65xx and similar microprocessor families. sid can process external audio signals to be text, more hollow. that's why the disk drive and 1525 printer is to define variables is lost to the disk)
< 1345493671 997892 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style jargon
< 1345493672 372947 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: jargon (UNIX-HATERS mailing list archive)
< 1345493674 770114 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1345493675 608948 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, actually, kronos didn't have any such inclination, you useless twerps. if tla press the wrong place at the latest constructive contribution: by august 24th, 1993
< 1345493676 707937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Right.
< 1345493693 459702 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345493734 109700 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345493755 852345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sid can process external audio signals to be text, more hollow."
< 1345493852 251021 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: more jargon
< 1345493853 214059 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: flame on to bsd. so i dropped in on a wart.") but then, of
< 1345493895 573952 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345493924 488893 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does fungot decide how much to output?
< 1345493925 641691 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: isn't there some pending federal law against colorizing things that were down or otherwise fail operate correctly." but stopped myself just to see a serious critique of unix: celibacy. what brain-damage! you would like proofreaders, i'm not
< 1345493945 256897 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :celibacy. what brain-damage!
< 1345494019 55198 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot. what brain-damage!
< 1345494019 930118 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: perhaps opensystems is a test. from sh type ' term=termtype;export term'.
< 1345494202 954476 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow markov bots are less amusing when you can't hold a conversation with them and they don't learn from input
< 1345494237 713859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, but you can always hold a conversation; it might just be a bit nonsensical conversation.
< 1345494299 572821 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit like speaking to yourself, but with more FUNgot
< 1345494300 657187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Why don't you ever learn? 
< 1345494301 944984 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: except that i'm just getting silly! it's fried potatoes. jamie zawinski
< 1345494319 223142 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fungot
< 1345494320 331470 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: and who'd even like to have a visit there sometime.
< 1345494406 47559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of using the input phrase as the initial context, but it doesn't currently know how to tokenize text, just the other way around.
< 1345494534 116299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345494776 373470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:31:37:  What key do you think The Internationale should be played in?
< 1345494779 766047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:35:33:  c sharp
< 1345494781 148029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody sharp
< 1345494783 818331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:36:06:  f shaaaaaaaaaarp
< 1345494816 224218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sea shark.
< 1345495050 772961 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345495057 948739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, argh new housemates
< 1345495061 75797 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345495089 764597 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345495130 430535 :nooga!~nooga@ip-78-30-93-30.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345495130 813726 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-78-30-93-30.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345495140 194448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyone looking for a tarot reading?
< 1345495143 833486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing triangle channel music but I need the help with percussion channel please. If you know the music "Internationale" then maybe you can know how to make percussion as well? In this case it is the 2A03 noise channel, meaning you can select a pitch of a white noise.
< 1345495146 274866 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, tokenizing isn't that hard to do
< 1345495146 420949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome AriesAsrael 
< 1345495151 821328 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AriesAsrael: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1345495159 995267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you might want that last one
< 1345495169 913246 :AriesAsrael!~AriesAsra@104.Red-83-52-236.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :
< 1345495224 674291 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh... he/she/it left before I could show him/her/it my bot's divinatory functions...
< 1345495250 665416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your bot has divinatory functions?
< 1345495274 561431 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it predict?
< 1345495274 806497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you are pretty oracular right?
< 1345495275 946993 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( loop next ( ( line in-port port read-line) ( lines collecting line)))
< 1345495287 433374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1345495288 216114 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1345495296 532090 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for now, it has ~dice and ~yi, notably.
< 1345495299 99133 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style sms
< 1345495299 616983 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: sms (National University of Singapore SMS corpus, 2011-08-20)
< 1345495307 81949 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot:
< 1345495308 4886 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: now i say lo miss eu.dipx dipx where got always bluff me say u sleeping by that team not.lol. on my way back from location by lidat.
< 1345495319 997465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't have card dealing?
< 1345495341 232091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yi as in yi jing?
< 1345495347 730072 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~yi
< 1345495347 906971 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your divination: "Great Possessing" to "Great Possessing"
< 1345495353 935491 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1345495364 106425 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should use the unicode yi ching characters
< 1345495393 154823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add card dealing from standard (French) deck, tarot deck, Fanucci deck, Italo-Spanish deck, etc.
< 1345495395 955534 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: good idea. expect to see them tomorrow or wednesday.
< 1345495425 817150 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: very good idea, with mahjong hands and dominoes.
< 1345495461 930488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes, also mahjong and domino.
< 1345495520 223280 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For standard deck, indicate if single or double and if it has jokers or not. For mahjong, specify which variant (Japanese, Japanese with red fives, Chinese, American, etc).
< 1345495609 58392 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1345495659 193946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could program FurryScript to deal cards; currently although it can check for duplicates it is not really ideal for dealing cards but I could add a card dealing function to this program.
< 1345495776 517096 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345495847 338542 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invent a programming language which consists of entering base 63 numbers
< 1345495853 653702 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it has 63 functions
< 1345495858 661122 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, today the amount of money I've spent on cosplay MULTIPLIED BY NINE
< 1345495860 202525 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of which is quote
< 1345495879 386596 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quote function allows you to enter literal numbers/quoted code
< 1345495888 52170 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And allow code modification
< 1345495910 452131 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even a macro system
< 1345495915 614786 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And make it RPN
< 1345495947 367726 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: same here actually, for any value of nine
< 1345495989 164233 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :An example program would be Kqy6ZdSGWBpafaMRSozWqWn5
< 1345496037 494636 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and if you want to do functions, you can do it by redefining one of the symbols
< 1345496053 14352 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can have the system function K be replaced by custom function K
< 1345496067 492057 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halfway through the program
< 1345496177 162336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is particularly ironic if it's SKI K
< 1345496230 120780 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like rain on your wedding day
< 1345496234 902403 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is no symbol which isn't redefinable
< 1345496384 983023 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1345496563 293779 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, from 50p to �4.50
< 1345496639 426922 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm disappointed that i can't type $ as Compose | S
< 1345496645 120955 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: wow, mr moneypants
< 1345496664 773413 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 50p was a roll of sticky tape
< 1345496681 569130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can you add it to a compose file?
< 1345496682 976998 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, add it to the definitions
< 1345496686 7924 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sticky tape? is there unsticky tape?
< 1345496686 437800 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And push the change upstream
< 1345496693 855161 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Possibly
< 1345496703 251788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tejp is always sticky
< 1345496710 523780 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there is tape that only sticks to itself, and nothing else
< 1345496716 635670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Do you mean "same here actually, for any value of nine" that you have not spend any money on cosplay?
< 1345496724 648864 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: indeed
< 1345496762 860490 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, there is definitely non-sticky tape. For instance, magnetic tape
< 1345496810 757824 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: bondage tape
< 1345496830 568533 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also apparently veterinary tape is the same thing but cheaper
< 1345496853 77441 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I forget those are also tape in english, non-sticky tape has a different word here
< 1345496864 794223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machines don't use sticky tape, it messes up things horribly
< 1345497411 628281 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should make the halting problem a bit more tractable
< 1345497535 679966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but "they all halt" isn't that interesting
< 1345498263 874418 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345499100 84239 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345499813 592345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1345500006 599196 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1345500364 17560 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-68.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345501312 462406 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345501337 508327 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345501339 993727 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host
< 1345501340 139763 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345502712 402013 :sirdancealot8!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345502783 436490 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345503857 519677 :kidanger!~kidanger@240.141.91.79.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Quitte
< 1345504318 582363 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-78-30-93-30.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345504818 325451 :criTos!~Administr@186.158.111.204 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345504978 983401 :criTos!~Administr@186.158.111.204 PART :#esoteric
< 1345505990 948442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Does mosh not support roaming the server? :-(
< 1345506105 79320 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1345506120 114264 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a vaguely desired feature
< 1345506134 491031 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, i want to be able to use mosh behind my home NAT without the packets going outbound to the NAT router first
< 1345506166 398868 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't support simultaneous client and server roaming without a third party of some kind
< 1345506179 7141 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you suspend your laptop, and then your home IP changes before you resume on another connection
< 1345506184 480950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1345506190 709543 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we've also talked about re-resolving the DNS name in such situations
< 1345506198 694370 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could also solve the inside/outside-NAT case
< 1345506228 833205 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also an interesting DoS attack available if you support unrestricted roaming on both ends
< 1345506253 614505 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is simply, if i capture a legit packet sent by the server, and re-send it from my IP, i can make you reply to my IP instead of the real server
< 1345506300 46210 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can do that to the server at the same time
< 1345506310 957089 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i have killed your connection permanently
< 1345506887 691553 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i found five dollars
< 1345506903 957623 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you doing the Stripe web CTF?
< 1345506910 416799 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts Wednesday at noon PDT, i think
< 1345506960 6880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably.
< 1345506970 933353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, being awake an noon PDT is a challenging prospect.
< 1345507290 372033 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can be awake at 15:00 EDT just fine :)
< 1345507296 750212 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i have been waking up well before noon localtime as well
< 1345507298 429624 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame jet lag
< 1345507315 791387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually like waking up early.
< 1345507322 424787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, rather, I like waking up early and not being tired.
< 1345507328 812336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just really dislike going to sleep.
< 1345507404 275827 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1345507410 203506 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep always seems more boring than the alternative
< 1345507418 107205 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not always
< 1345507424 430152 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usually
< 1345507597 842885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Wanna Flip The Sky
< 1345507935 510851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this specification OK?   http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/User:Zzo38/ines.map_and_unif.map   I think one thing I forgot is the precedence of the "romsize", "rom", and "crc" operators. What would you suggest?
< 1345509441 11435 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still has not thought of a great algorithm for the word rectangle puzzle

< 1345509624 433234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a word rectangle puzzle?
< 1345509708 384480 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Finland
< 1345509711 882880 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus.
< 1345509753 156518 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: find a rectangle of letters such that every row and every column is an English word
< 1345509763 420767 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :find such a rectangle as big as you can
< 1345510619 832406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345511405 832925 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B546.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345512521 455476 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345514078 388220 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345514604 524527 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345516426 814758 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1345517657 724350 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345519363 656921 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345520295 538863 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345522481 84353 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-68.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345524102 462548 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is;to
< 1345524300 643980 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the;hog;egg
< 1345524384 658379 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1345524443 10550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy
< 1345524646 172271 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-68.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1345525587 319546 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345525619 593036 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345525770 998797 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1345526180 557029 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345526343 590140 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345528262 486202 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345529134 968700 :impomatic!~digital_w@12.232.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1345529838 251622 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345531022 288230 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345531439 287274 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1345531880 374991 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345532806 348412 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1345533990 399970 :knott_rays!~androirc@37-219-72-219.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345534003 87358 :knott_rays!~androirc@37-219-72-219.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi PART :#esoteric
< 1345535217 598328 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345535487 566262 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345535492 34896 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345535502 63477 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345535774 303499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345535829 314038 :nooga!~nooga@ip-78-30-93-30.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345536172 13708 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345537690 3350 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1345537723 596843 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345538948 274395 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345540429 158724 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345540500 589774 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345542254 810545 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345544342 361689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1345545554 328298 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1345545562 533033 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345545568 984899 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit
< 1345545781 141206 :nooga!~nooga@ip-78-30-93-30.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1345545957 192555 :nooga!~nooga@ip-93-154-163-6.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345547122 836725 :PatrickRobotham!~chatzilla@ppp118-209-204-193.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345548638 911059 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-68.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345550591 752040 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A58C.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345551251 887612 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-68.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345551550 477450 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345551847 258911 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345552630 47708 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-151-117.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345552655 91682 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-140-26.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1345553145 141913 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345553234 925205 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like the new Muse song.
< 1345553241 245955 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's insufficiently OTT
< 1345553479 701661 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With this nick, the first two characters don't uniquely identify me on #haskell...
< 1345553482 105191 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1345553724 847782 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTT?
< 1345553731 656587 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over the top
< 1345553746 596684 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a britishism?
< 1345553817 800013 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excessive, ridiculous
< 1345553830 721032 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345553845 577728 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've ended up with a couple of words that I think are Urdu in my vocabulary, but I've no idea what they literally mean or how to spell them
< 1345553866 428884 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1345554360 876566 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :urdu?
< 1345554385 162928 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language spoken in Pakistan, I believ
< 1345554385 824711 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1345554540 528433 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"over the top" is used in america too
< 1345554543 510277 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i haven't heard the acronym
< 1345555111 622083 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1345555148 767803 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345555319 777338 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got asked about it last time I used it in this channel
< 1345555328 182495 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A58C.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345555415 609495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Where do you sleep etc. when you go do travel-ish things?
< 1345555577 344046 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends
< 1345555617 786580 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was biking to vermont i camped in campgrounds
< 1345555636 836902 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was in europe most recently i stayed with friends and in hostels
< 1345555644 229994 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on the situation
< 1345555658 71817 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't done the "camping in the middle of nowhere with nobody's permission" thing but that's an option too
< 1345555678 228577 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande slept on a park bench when he was hitchhiking to st john's canada
< 1345555903 243374 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A58C.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345556431 565077 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1345557202 673573 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-59.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345557799 586234 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I'm starting to warm to this song
< 1345558059 335899 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1345558271 292979 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts
< 1345558287 563983 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree that Muse should be over the top
< 1345558346 575002 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345558400 449977 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The album’s second single, “Knights of Cydonia,” sounds like the theme song to a wild-west Highlander sequel set in Freddie Mercury’s butt.'
< 1345558445 974332 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes it does
< 1345558470 236120 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a theory about Black Holes and Revelations
< 1345558478 92604 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that they were hoping some crazy person would listen to it on loop for 40 hours
< 1345558482 260571 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then shoot the president
< 1345558496 342898 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd do it, but I don't have a gun
< 1345558500 455619 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that sort od album
< 1345558503 404735 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of*
< 1345558511 840242 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because you live in the UK
< 1345558512 28082 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup
< 1345558527 176691 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, my dad and at least one of my friends own guns
< 1345558541 447103 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A58C.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345558555 56925 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here in the USA you get a free gun with your mcdonald's happy meal
< 1345558561 945706 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except in san francisco, where they have banned happy meals)
< 1345558802 891626 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1345559481 728128 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reöpen yes/no? The only word I can think of with a diaeresis “eo” is pigeon.
< 1345559569 19606 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, and “righteous”, although there the whole “eou” is a single vowel sound.
< 1345559651 924887 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truncheon…
< 1345559745 960971 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Georgia!
< 1345559753 377536 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, for that matter, George!
< 1345559777 558675 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is that some olde convention by which “ge” is pronounced as 'j'?
< 1345559859 687181 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Re�pen yes/no? The only word I can think of with a diaeresis �eo� is pigeon.
< 1345559873 444989 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, I meant withOUT a diaeresis >_>
< 1345559873 965654 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pigeon.... does not have diaeresis eo.
< 1345559901 242331 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever had a pet pigeon, I would name it Pigeön.
< 1345559926 497310 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh damn it, maybe pigeon is just following the same olde convention as George >_>
< 1345559937 8132 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pigeorgeon?
< 1345560010 459119 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "people"
< 1345560018 287849 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect!
< 1345560054 758454 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: reöpen yes.
< 1345560087 754224 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a pet pigeon 
< 1345560153 498219 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrrrrrrrrrng! I missed a real opportunity with my cat!
< 1345560157 286894 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :She should be Tiämat.
< 1345560283 759552 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345560681 138193 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345561345 796912 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345562099 984132 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i didn't think OTT was a briticism, just a sort of jargonfile-esque-abbreviate-everything-ism
< 1345562114 733984 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-59.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345562351 608308 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's a briticism either
< 1345563020 287537 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1345563124 804245 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats OTT
< 1345563142 643905 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i feel like the couchsurfing.org option for where to sleep should also be mentioned for completeness
< 1345563206 786925 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have used that once or twice but it is usually poorly suited to my needs
< 1345563207 405577 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345563358 339712 :nooga!~nooga@ip-93-154-163-6.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345563454 469700 :nooga!~nooga@dwe98.internetdsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345564104 171554 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1345564614 653775 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: any particular reason for asking?
< 1345564710 649739 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1345565228 604568 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345565360 415064 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345565637 387620 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-237-46.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345565683 608057 :nooga!~nooga@dwe98.internetdsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345565799 272850 :nooga!~nooga@ip-93-154-164-145.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345566952 960317 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345567144 82273 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345567171 982594 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345567250 541973 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345567960 944528 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345567966 172532 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345568302 665551 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.37.21 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345568374 177426 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345569750 493447 :sirdancealot8!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345569769 68539 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bulls on Parade is a really boring song on Guitar Hero...
< 1345570284 50832 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But on the plus side, I get it at 100% on medium
< 1345570696 930110 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345570763 671886 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1345570786 416061 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345570787 447431 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric
< 1345570789 547373 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345570941 341882 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345571076 938441 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345571208 837231 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1345571357 615443 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone used boost::spirit here before?
< 1345571360 330135 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm liking it
< 1345571431 735332 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have used it
< 1345571456 297744 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fairly terrifying
< 1345571463 349960 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy your 10 page long compiler error messages
< 1345571494 165326 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also enjoy your boost brand "I Can't Believe It's Not Functional Programming" fake lambdas which you will have to use *everywhere*
< 1345571502 684267 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 10 page long due to template abuse?
< 1345571515 970530 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it is more usable with actual C++11 lambdas
< 1345571523 880567 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i mean, whether it's abuse is subjective
< 1345571531 364083 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] () { return 0; }
< 1345571532 949474 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, spirit is heavily template meta-programmed and that's the cause of crazy errors
< 1345571536 751343 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is a lambda
< 1345571544 160711 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you can boost::bind too for semantic actions
< 1345571549 526275 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1345571590 51527 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it nice
< 1345571590 541908 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x y z -> x * y * z
< 1345571603 588563 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty gross how libraries like spirit attempt to do Haskell-style operator-based EDSLs but within the confines of the existing operators and precedences
< 1345571610 285156 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that's one too
< 1345571615 972500 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is a number: 7
< 1345571618 209694 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's another one: 19
< 1345571641 415113 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345571655 872376 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we play numberwang
< 1345571673 331178 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345571699 928691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ that's one too
< 1345571701 259426 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 6 1
< 1345571701 535845 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1345571714 77573 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a number.
< 1345571752 31463 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what I do find shocking is that the output size of my program is 1.48 MB)
< 1345571752 348297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.0/0.0
< 1345571753 891468 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  NaN
< 1345571755 622226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't a number.
< 1345571758 8265 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not even 100 lines
< 1345571759 876658 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1345571762 666295 :PatrickRobotham!~chatzilla@ppp118-209-204-193.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345571767 272505 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop the r
< 1345571883 43209 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuttlefish: that's numberwang!
< 1345571904 370808 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: what if you strip it?
< 1345571979 884500 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*) . (*) x y z
< 1345572068 589142 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's numberwang?
< 1345572107 696096 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!numberwang 12
< 1345572110 121623 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's numberwang!
< 1345572153 374449 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused, but realizes that it's a perfectly normal state of mind when perusing this channel...

< 1345572179 54492 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjOZtWZ56lc
< 1345572182 320597 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should clear it up
< 1345572329 789911 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: why are you sending us these bits of code
< 1345572358 49940 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think (*) . (*) is valid anyway
< 1345572371 651443 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it is
< 1345572373 803504 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (*) . (*)
< 1345572375 463129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a -> (a -> a) -> a -> a
< 1345572382 123567 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (*) . (*) $ 1 id 8
< 1345572383 686324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => (a -> a) -> a -> a
< 1345572388 167275 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dambit lambdabot 
< 1345572394 153186 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((*) . (*)) 1 id 8
< 1345572395 359482 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual type is (Num (a -> a), Num a) => a -> (a -> a) -> a -> a
< 1345572395 890416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a
< 1345572397 486394 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((*) . (*)) 1 id 8
< 1345572400 102295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  64
< 1345572405 631801 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((*) . (*)) 1 (+ 1) 8
< 1345572408 158285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  72
< 1345572411 897726 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((*) . (*)) 2 (+ 1) 8
< 1345572414 535098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  144
< 1345572420 564780 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lambdabot has a nonstandard instance (Num a) => instance Num (b -> a)
< 1345572427 963341 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking lambdabot
< 1345572431 741749 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: two... hundred
< 1345572453 258290 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey let's start a collaborative learning system for Haskell beginners and have a bot which gives WRONG ANSWERS FOR THE AMUSEMENT OF THE EXPERTS
< 1345572460 677103 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you have to put it in extra ()
< 1345572676 868029 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«f . g x y» means something different from «(f . g) x y»
< 1345572683 537355 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :either one could be valid in the right context
< 1345572694 38639 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former is equivalent to «f . (g x y)»
< 1345572729 836029 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :function application syntax binds tighter than any infix operator
< 1345572832 80426 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both are different from (f . g) (x y)
< 1345572842 180905 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1345572857 145635 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering how you'd make the equivalent of (\x y -> (*) ((*) x y))
< 1345572884 268867 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl \x y -> (*) ((*) x y)
< 1345572885 20037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ x y -> (*) (x * y)
< 1345572885 698524 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found
< 1345572889 87492 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x y -> (*) ((*) x y)
< 1345572889 857199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :((*) .) . (*)
< 1345572966 961715 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it just looks like bunnies to me
< 1345572973 754220 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!
< 1345572980 85713 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (((*) .) . (*)) 2 3 4
< 1345572982 642262 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  24
< 1345572983 304903 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course this is just messing around with syntax just because
< 1345573093 463396 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((*) .) . (*) $ 1 2 3
< 1345573094 716309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a -> a)
< 1345573094 883242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use...
< 1345573130 354370 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that won't work
< 1345573141 44884 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((*) .) . (*)) looks mighty weird
< 1345573144 294781 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1345573149 133233 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use that in actual code ;P
< 1345573178 739873 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where "that" = "Haskell", clearly ;P
< 1345573207 646627 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not planning to =P
< 1345573215 753698 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol nice zinger soundnfury
< 1345573533 670765 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-237-46.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345573869 249021 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I aim to please :)
< 1345573879 833635 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how is everyone?
< 1345573928 879998 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1345574046 927540 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how you have to inject your opinion that haskell sucks into any discussion relating to haskell
< 1345574058 349704 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same thing most people do with PHP and C++
< 1345574095 527972 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha php sux
< 1345574099 772411 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were you saying?
< 1345574107 126053 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin is posting in this high quality thread
< 1345574124 656084 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1345574164 624208 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what can I say?  I'm an asshole about programming-language holywars
< 1345574207 567868 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and 99% of the rest of the programming world
< 1345574213 439995 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone thinks they know it best
< 1345574220 686546 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, see also: EMACS vs vi.
< 1345574221 27 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're all wrong, cause I know it best
< 1345574224 961821 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The answer is: ed)
< 1345574231 868940 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs vs vi is an absurd cliche of a holy war
< 1345574237 39896 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody actually cares that much
< 1345574239 803991 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody i've met anyway
< 1345574243 365567 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :biab dinnerscooked
< 1345574244 189477 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1345574250 716064 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out that if you're a professional programmer you meet people who are real people and not stereotypes
< 1345574270 113874 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dinnersocked
< 1345574274 664986 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ed and vi and duslike emacs but you can't get me to fight for my editor
< 1345574281 945166 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A58C.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345574295 697014 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: by "an asshole about programming-language holywars" you mean that you like to start them for fun?
< 1345574304 836064 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are realness and stereotypedness mutually exclusive?
< 1345574323 738092 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: you really use ed?
< 1345574331 220996 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345574345 146435 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL WELL I EDIT FILES BY RUBBING MY DICK AGAINST THE HARD DRIVE
< 1345574347 575468 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGUMENT: WON
< 1345574374 788381 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/378/
< 1345574386 732817 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's what i was making fun of Lumpio-
< 1345574392 280419 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1345574409 756310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "represent the foreign information media" mean? 
< 1345574430 963933 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see people, this is why i can't just stop reading xkcd even though it sucks
< 1345574436 645514 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It wouldn't have been obvious enough without the link.
< 1345574441 795644 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people will always and forever use it as the reference point for any "nerdy" topic
< 1345574461 414628 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but now i'm just trolling
< 1345574513 126991 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: why does xkcd suck?
< 1345574523 489075 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me
< 1345574525 852605 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe thats what xkcd really is... a reference for certain points that noone else makes
< 1345574535 62573 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's a reference for points that *everyone* makes
< 1345574571 875321 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if everyone keeps making a point then a lot of people must be aggressively ignoring it
< 1345574572 496839 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the earliest iteration, xkcd playfully poked fun at the standard nerd conversational tropes
< 1345574590 471777 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it quickly devolved into transcribing these conversations for a wider audience
< 1345574609 826688 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: well, not for routine editing, no (gedit and nano actually)
< 1345574634 456939 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when I discovered yesterday that lappy didn't have ed installed, I immediately apt-got it
< 1345574643 142551 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do you use ed for soundnfury
< 1345574655 866715 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than bragging about how big your e-peen is
< 1345574665 34520 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun.
< 1345574674 382812 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never used ed
< 1345574687 27649 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is #esoteric after all
< 1345574690 828449 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could argue it's an esoeditor
< 1345574700 782331 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: I usually just compile this one http://pjotr.dy.fi/files/ed.c
< 1345574701 47957 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: bother, I burnt the chips
< 1345574710 746045 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: teco is esoeditor
< 1345574719 164464 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: let me guess.  It prints "?" on every input?
< 1345574719 799407 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: or the unix v7 one
< 1345574723 58036 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without having looked at it)
< 1345574730 815874 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: no. it really works
< 1345574742 584443 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of feel bad calling software or languages esoteric even though they weren't purposefully made to be so
< 1345574743 451813 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you could, but the original Unix source code was all written with ed iirc
< 1345574769 837192 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: the ? printing variant: main(a){for(;;){read(0,&a,1);if(a=='\n')write(1,"?\n",2);}}
< 1345574785 860782 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that
< 1345574855 602676 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: but the link I posted is some random ed I have ported to diffent operating systems. my friend is now hosting it on his haiku web server
< 1345574871 244583 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, haiku?
< 1345574874 942485 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, beos?
< 1345574885 96651 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1345574903 958063 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wanted some more obscure os
< 1345574909 457135 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason
< 1345574912 161328 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the programming problem is that on the one hand everyone runs more smoothly with standards, but on the other hand standards are all biased in some way
< 1345574923 764428 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well, he should have used risc os
< 1345574937 863534 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^everything runs
< 1345574942 351888 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: he doesn't have ARM computers
< 1345574947 88387 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta love those old acorn arcs
< 1345574960 776694 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to get acorn riscpc
< 1345574984 839842 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :newer ones are in my comfortable processing power limits
< 1345575016 431860 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345575194 400397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"are you seeking entry to engage in criminal or immoral activities" these forms are always so lovely.
< 1345575243 647025 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. i don't understand why they even bother with questions like that.
< 1345575293 13880 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for whoever is reading this like in a log, and didn't wisely ignore my post.. please ignore it now.. 
< 1345575347 388252 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"excuse me, the local police station here is having a survey. could you just tell me whether you are a pedophile rapist murderer? just check yes or no here..."
< 1345575433 805551 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like that US immigration form that asks if you were a Nazi.
< 1345575436 893746 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figure it's so that afterwards when you do engage in criminal/immoral activities noone can say they didn't ask
< 1345575466 939571 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can call you a liar
< 1345575479 256931 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you didn't do a background check on this idiot?" "why should we? he said he wasn't a criminal!"
< 1345575500 23814 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, do you have a particularly strong aussie accent?
< 1345575518 689263 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"haha, now we have him for being a Nazi AND lying on an immigration form!"
< 1345575518 835435 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, no.
< 1345575525 541597 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.... my accent has a certain unplacability about it
< 1345575528 130816 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1345575544 225072 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking of cosplaying Steve from IWC, need to get the accent
< 1345575549 706441 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummm
< 1345575555 571857 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i have the video for you :D
< 1345575627 291995 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i can remember its name
< 1345575903 932365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It was that form. Well, the ESTA thing.
< 1345575931 100911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it did ask if I've been involved in Nazi stuff between 1933 to 1945.
< 1345575940 841082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Have you ever been or are you now involved in espionage or sabotage; or in 
< 1345575940 987124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrorist activities; or genocide; or between 1933 and 1945 were you involved, 
< 1345575944 343126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any way, in persecutions associated with Nazi Germany or its allies? 
< 1345576080 9946 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1345576360 600500 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“In 1945 I was busy waiting for my parents to be born.”
< 1345576397 89487 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i found it
< 1345576430 109810 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is technically just an actor but...
< 1345576432 291794 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0811/trent-from-punchy-demotivational-poster-1226565882.jpg
< 1345576459 771831 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RjC-vh06_c
< 1345576475 58458 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a fake australian accent, but it still kinda counts
< 1345576497 972109 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an uncle with an australian accent
< 1345576506 772952 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strictly speaking I have 3
< 1345576523 127701 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the side of australia they hide
< 1345576676 919716 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They...
< 1345576683 436866 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all live in Victoria
< 1345576843 481739 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found out the guy is actually an actor, but its convincing cos australians can be like that
< 1345577666 504887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345577858 520896 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :)
< 1345577934 356363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Reöpen yes/no? The only word I can think of with a diaeresis “eo” is pigeon. <-- um pigeon is two syllables, google agrees
< 1345577951 603407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: evening
< 1345577968 954853 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ya make ONE tpyo, and you pay for it forever.
< 1345577974 312168 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I meant withOUT.
< 1345577976 264713 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :röpen?
< 1345578033 504564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently yeomen is two syllables iiuc
< 1345578037 665621 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, do a New Zealand accent, see if anyone notices.
< 1345578059 481239 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's 'yo, men'.
< 1345578061 862675 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, “yeoman” is another great example!
< 1345578145 745909 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :geography
< 1345578157 8451 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait
< 1345578221 801635 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it words with or without a diaeresis "eo" we're looking for?
< 1345578270 146115 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :without
< 1345578272 815803 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wrong
< 1345578347 145604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is meow one or two syllables
< 1345578398 807306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently either
< 1345578406 561605 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two, I'd say
< 1345578409 432172 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meee-ooooow
< 1345578426 705025 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second of which is a dipthong
< 1345578430 390545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: feoff.
< 1345578513 910917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I guess jeopardy maybe? I'm no Englosser. (Isn't that what an English-speaking person is called?)
< 1345578537 802528 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes, there are plenty of examples both with and without X-D
< 1345578538 361651 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :an englosser should be a person who makes things glossy
< 1345578539 304469 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it's an anglophone, and also that you're joking)
< 1345578550 468709 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But more with diaeresis, I think.
< 1345578742 992109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :diarheasis
< 1345578762 293468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rr
< 1345578853 153492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The diarrheasis is a diacritic that has the shape of a messy splatter.
< 1345578857 713517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345578920 389421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+3163F COMBINING DIARRHEASIS BELOW
< 1345578923 516925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:39:05:  LOL WELL I EDIT FILES BY RUBBING MY DICK AGAINST THE HARD DRIVE
< 1345578926 273178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A character to avoid, perhaps.
< 1345578926 983480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:39:07:  ARGUMENT: WON
< 1345578930 144708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HARD DRIVE: DESTROYED
< 1345579046 346612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : because people will always and forever use it as the reference point for any "nerdy" topic <-- rubbish, there's also smbc
< 1345579180 587813 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by PO
< 1345579463 539349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: also why aren't you just looking up the real steve irwin on youtube
< 1345579475 540503 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's a completely different person
< 1345579485 867406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true, true
< 1345579488 289524 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the earliest I'm doing this is April
< 1345579507 997428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe he _does_ speak strine though
< 1345579519 151503 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does DMM
< 1345579537 30171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does?
< 1345579550 614605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"strine" means more than just australian, iiuc
< 1345579550 973734 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On account of, you know, being Australian
< 1345579573 557600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means extremely heavy accent
< 1345579590 729791 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345579592 834654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically an accent in which you pronounce australian like "strine"
< 1345579608 734161 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345579632 960088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you i don't actually know.  i should get around to listening to those iwc podcasts some day.
< 1345579775 979276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strine contains "The naturalist and TV presenter Steve Irwin was once referred to as the person who "talked Strine like no other contemporary personality".[4]"
< 1345579931 988754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe DMM does not quite count as a "personality".
< 1345579944 546515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1345580058 520803 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as I'm gonna be cosplaying as an Australian from an Australian webcomic in a western style at an anime convention
< 1345580129 848361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Your SMBC mention made me go look the last 50-odd ones I hadn't read, and one of them made me chuckle. That's unforgivable.
< 1345580185 51109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Namely, panel #5 (with 1-based indexing) of http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2687 did.)
< 1345580219 750088 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345580252 295417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you laugh at such tragedy.
< 1345580282 12064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :about time for me to catch up on it as well
< 1345580309 210338 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god
< 1345580315 160329 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I've been talking about Muse
< 1345580321 178627 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMM posted on his blog
< 1345580328 86822 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That he now likes Muse
< 1345580336 590255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'll postpone that again
< 1345580366 579643 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reserve SMBC as my TVTropes escape mechanism
< 1345580482 288124 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you could have just used an ordinal instead of a cardinal
< 1345580495 275386 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that you were describing something ordinally rather than cardinally
< 1345580545 52931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also using 0-based indexing outside programming is an automatic turing test failure, anyway.
< 1345580566 269526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What kind of indexing do you use? 
< 1345580567 267911 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: video games. my bro say can rec me not lol. can try eh huh?..i a bit late. decimal can? leaving hse nw
< 1345580567 609139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe some math too
< 1345580622 627056 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what about building floors in britain
< 1345580626 255217 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or much of the rest of the world
< 1345580636 373345 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they even use -1 for first basement, -2 for second basement, etc
< 1345580645 628421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :madness!
< 1345580668 35708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the brits are robots, they invented industry after all
< 1345580672 884389 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1345580690 636817 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, I take this as a compliment
< 1345580693 62844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the university in Belgium, the room numbers were "aa.bb", with the two-digit 'aa' denoting floor; they had 00 for ground floor, 01 for the one above it, etc.; and 99 for first basement, 98 for second.
< 1345580710 338678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I heard anyone speaking of "floor 99", though.
< 1345580712 108090 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1345580716 980231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury is british?  it's so hard to notice over the haskell bashing
< 1345580819 672129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: modulo 100 arithmetic?
< 1345580846 142771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what _is_ the base 10 equivalent of the phrase "two's complement" anyway
< 1345580862 366415 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :10's complement?
< 1345580865 913228 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What was 50?
< 1345580884 196761 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did that not come up because there weren't that many floors? =P
< 1345580909 641770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Presumably it'd depend on how many basement levels and floors the building had.
< 1345580925 521270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know what they'd have done for buildings with >100 floors in total.
< 1345580949 590139 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-153-191.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345580981 238013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The method of complements can also be applied in base-10 arithmetic, using ten's complements by analogy with two's complements."
< 1345581035 738481 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the counterpart of 1's complement would be 9's complement?
< 1345581166 443957 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, C was based on BCPL, which was designed at Cambridge
< 1345581213 414027 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main Haskell compiler was created at Glasgow
< 1345581240 743002 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1345581251 659968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: seems so
< 1345581259 244646 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but glasgey is one of my least favourite of the scottish stereotypes
< 1345581287 331110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no true scottish stereotype
< 1345581291 91935 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha
< 1345581318 207594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BCD article mentions signed BCD with ten's complement. I was wondering if anyone was doing that.
< 1345581340 445697 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1345581354 384396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i imagine this terminology will get very confusing if you are using two different bases one apart
< 1345581367 727897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :('At least kind of.)
< 1345581378 738827 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: would DA instructions still work properly?
< 1345581383 944058 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed
< 1345581388 37352 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION _thinks_ they should but isn't sure

< 1345581404 762594 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Real Men™ use balanced ternary.
< 1345581409 880156 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, that would be a fairly weird thing to do in the first place, maybe it won't matter all that much
< 1345581414 962868 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Complex Men™ use Quater-imaginary base)
< 1345581423 546412 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(badum-tish!)
< 1345581427 497828 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just a simple pole in a complex plane
< 1345581446 310227 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero, because all the poles are in eastern europe
< 1345581455 950134 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that's plainly not the case
< 1345581459 256703 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :planely
< 1345581459 402913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you're not a pole!
< 1345581462 449649 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not
< 1345581467 994341 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're over here stealing our jobs #dailymail
< 1345581471 667237 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1345581471 899235 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ok, there are /some/ poles in western europe, but they are removable
< 1345581474 687680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you may swat kmc 
< 1345581479 314172 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"press 2 for polish"
< 1345581479 725781 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god did I just hashtag in IRC
< 1345581483 704458 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What have I become
< 1345581486 838761 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: it's ok
< 1345581489 795123 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretend it's a channel
< 1345581512 331608 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will not join #dailymail
< 1345581522 50397 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's empty
< 1345581522 196338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The official Daily Mail freenode channel.
< 1345581522 452441 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary coded hexadecimal is equivalent to binary itself
< 1345581522 598642 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY EVERYONE let's all /join #dailymail and pretend to be crazed xenophobes
< 1345581539 844817 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah
< 1345581577 390891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want us to pretend that, are you some kind of communist
< 1345581578 620973 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary coded trinary
< 1345581596 447846 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary coded binary
< 1345581600 287099 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or binary coded unary, that might be worse
< 1345581636 249306 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary coded baudot coded binary
< 1345581643 710071 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary coded negabinary
< 1345581654 315050 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :store bits as FIGURESHIFT {0,1} LETTERSHIFT
< 1345581659 613748 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 bits per bit
< 1345581701 569655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-4-coded binary only uses 32 bits per bit.
< 1345581722 858890 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could store the bits in combining characters
< 1345581762 423440 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like, an odd number of combining characters is a one, an even number is a zero perhaps?
< 1345581802 53665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you print it as a book in vietnamese
< 1345581909 377780 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1345581958 390888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using UCS-2.625 you get one bit per 3 codepoints.
< 1345581975 512617 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.625?
< 1345581989 240831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where you store 3 codepoints per 64 bits.
< 1345581991 503838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 21*3
< 1345581992 704700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  63
< 1345582156 150133 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean you store the bit in the extra bit left over after the 3 codepoints?
< 1345582163 605928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1345582255 766600 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-4 lets you store 3 codepoints in 96 bits without even having any bits left over
< 1345582315 66526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's more secure. I mean, it has more bits, it must be.
< 1345582325 81178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-4 has lots of bits left over.
< 1345582339 543376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (32-21)*3
< 1345582340 611306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  33
< 1345582347 337260 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, but they must all be zero
< 1345582347 687889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those aren't left over.
< 1345582364 789113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK.
< 1345582377 203121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-2.625 ought to be called UCS-2.666... anyway.
< 1345582382 413943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bit isn't really left over.
< 1345582455 56019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-2.510932855... and so on.
< 1345582463 682662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When UCS-2.625 feels too wasteful.
< 1345582499 497266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only need 20.08746... bits, after all. 21 is almost a whole bit too much.
< 1345582502 796330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 21
< 1345582504 564439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4.392317422778761
< 1345582516 374968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1345582517 194708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Huh? Unicode is specified to use 21 bits.
< 1345582531 647069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, it's specified to contain code points from 0 to 0x10FFFF.
< 1345582541 416990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, really?
< 1345582551 436651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1345582554 706857 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how they came up with 17 as a logical number of planes
< 1345582555 586347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 (0x10FFFF+1)
< 1345582556 981612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  20.087462841250343
< 1345582557 127506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 planes.
< 1345582571 310055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 256 (0x10FFFF+1)
< 1345582572 749533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You also don't need to store surrogate-pair codepoints.
< 1345582572 917053 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.510932855156293
< 1345582578 9368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that saves a bit more.
< 1345582579 338677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go
< 1345582582 786100 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had to be a prime number? they wanted to make sure no-one tried to make do with 20 bits?
< 1345582604 952656 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 isn't prime?
< 1345582607 970954 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always include the surrogate pairs in your UCS-4 or UTF-8 encoding
< 1345582630 235597 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :people already actually do that, so it would hardly even be weird
< 1345582637 243286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: But they're invalid.
< 1345582687 267829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 256 (0x10FFFF+1) :: CReal
< 1345582689 124193 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.5109328551562924260317582513513005442514
< 1345582700 300815 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :invalid schminvalid
< 1345582768 911407 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do UCS-2.5 with an escape code that enter an astral mode where everything is offset with one plane
< 1345582781 267688 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*enters
< 1345582897 523670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let m = (1+) . fromIntegral . fromEnum in logBase (m (maxBound :: Word8)) (m (maxBound :: Char)) -- now without magic constants
< 1345582900 280598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.510932855156293
< 1345582999 884111 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :another escape code could take you to astral plains with otherworldly farmers
< 1345583015 465770 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1345583044 25984 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345583077 819409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The UCS (i.e. ISO/IEC 10646, Universal multiple-octet coded character set (UCS)) at one point in its history had 2^31 codepoints, with 128 "groups" of 256 "planes" of 256 "rows" of 256 "cells".
< 1345583142 51971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had at least a draft out with that kind of structure.
< 1345583189 457967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Unicode bumped themselves up from 16 bits to the 17-plane thing in version 2.0, and ISO 10646 limited themselves to the same amount.
< 1345583490 285683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: As for why exactly 17 planes, it at least exactly "fills" the UTF-16 surrogate pair mechanism -- you get the BMP as-is, and the other 16 planes make for exactly 20 bits, and there's 10 bits space in each surrogate half -- though I don't know the history.
< 1345583531 419091 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: would this astral plane contain three encodings of '_'?
< 1345583582 18312 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there is the plane of planes, where every code point is an encoding of '_'
< 1345583595 231579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 is the devil. :-(
< 1345583633 523438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plane of planes has a lot of characters like ✈
< 1345583652 407151 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's the *other* plane of planes
< 1345583654 997704 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1345583669 813962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it the plane of *other* planes?
< 1345583672 351114 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, the devil is people who assume "UTF-16 is just UCS-2, right?"
< 1345583692 438170 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: DYESWIDT?
< 1345583692 973311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: That's a double devil.
< 1345583724 246377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do You ESWant IDentified Things?
< 1345583736 41149 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! I can't be dead!
< 1345583749 483687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: There is only silence and some second-hand clothes.
< 1345583762 20561 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You have: no tea
< 1345584154 765825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :take common sense
< 1345584237 241840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode 2.0 indeed seems to (a) still talk about how "Unicode character codes have a uniform width of 16 bits" and (b) introduce the "surrogate extension mechanism" to access the non-BMP characters. So it does sound like that's why the 17 planes; I think they got UTF-16 out of the then-existing ISO/IEC 10646-1:1993 that (I believe) had 2^31 codepoints. Would be interesting to see a draft of ...
< 1345584243 662632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... that, to see how they justify the encoding that can't go all the way up.
< 1345584280 938251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an "overview" document from that time describing the Transformation Formats, saying "UTF-16: Unlike UTF-8 and UTF-7, this transformation reduces UCS-4-coded text to a UCS-2-based encoding and the result can only be used by so called 8-bit safe programs and processes, where all octet values are allowed. All UCS-4 codes in the BMP are reduced to the corresponding code in UCS-2. In ...
< 1345584287 443185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... addition, UCS-4 codes in the 10 following planes of group 0 are transformed to two UCS-2 codes. 4096 codes in the BMP are reserved for this. This makes the characters that in the future may be allocated to 1048576 code positions of UCS-4 outside the BMP available in the 16-bit UCS-2 coded character set. The other code positions in UCS-4 are still unusable in the UTF-16 transformation ...
< 1345584293 929301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... format. One motivation for defining UTF-16 has been that it will make it possible for software implementing Unicode to cope with the expansion of UCS outside the BMP for the foreseeable future."
< 1345584339 340986 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :being "8-bit safe" doesn't sound very useful when exposed to either of UCS-2 or UTF-16
< 1345584409 144837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also withdraws the UTF-1 from the draft; I wonder if that thing was ever really used anywhere.
< 1345584833 17602 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a spam asking if I sent some woman to collect money on my behalf
< 1345584843 752321 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to wonder what would happen if I said "yes"
< 1345585460 450407 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So that's who the money lady was talking about"
< 1345585473 104735 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm glad I gave her all my money now"
< 1345585512 942722 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And on that bombshell, goodnight!
< 1345585514 168983 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1345585908 605786 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-151-117.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345585912 129150 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345586158 830749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere in hexham atriq is sleeping on top of a bomb
< 1345586181 396212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hexham
< 1345586192 626040 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham is a European town. There are nine people in Hexham, and at least two of them are in this channel. Taneb looks after the ham.
< 1345586193 629148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where hexham
< 1345586193 979188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about hexham.
< 1345586208 82357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?list where
< 1345586208 273446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb? Who's Taneb?
< 1345586208 904780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where provides: where url what where+
< 1345586220 635129 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ham
< 1345586224 689157 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ham? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1345586228 186977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there might be a slight hint in the topic
< 1345586238 548506 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what hexham is like
< 1345586249 607352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: atriq is Taneb, but is "is" symmetric?
< 1345586251 304939 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been to wylam, is it a bit like that?
< 1345586259 303983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "is" is symmetric then symmetric is "is".
< 1345586263 313952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which doesn't make sense.
< 1345586270 142719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where+ Hexham is in Northumblingaroundland
< 1345586270 693757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1345586274 940095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where hexham
< 1345586275 720076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is in Northumblingaroundland
< 1345586279 766060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1345586286 198553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where+ Hexham Hexham is in Northumblingaroundland
< 1345586286 929101 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1345586303 916150 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345586318 100787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: see: equivalence relations
< 1345586333 963941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "is" is an equivalence relation?
< 1345586350 406374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@whatis gazpacho
< 1345586350 916407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about gazpacho.
< 1345586352 989378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gazpacho
< 1345586356 431931 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gazpacho? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1345586357 460148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMETIMES
< 1345586376 725309 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is" is not an equivalence relation
< 1345586398 249061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is" can mean a lot of things. Like ⊆
< 1345586439 34826 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is" is a partial order
< 1345586576 612606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho.  Let's call the whole thing off!" >wisdom/gazpacho
< 1345586579 817033 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1345586593 392122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cp wisdom/gazpacho wisdom/gaspacho
< 1345586596 854247 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1345586603 351780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gazpacho
< 1345586606 988737 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho.  Let's call the whole thing off!
< 1345586716 398081 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "is" define a lattice?
< 1345586726 381932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lettuce
< 1345586729 512939 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lettuce? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1345586740 659051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: What would be the top and bottom?
< 1345586745 84691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"something" and "everything"
< 1345586746 70476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1345586753 327732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Lettuce is a vegetable with two operations, join and meet.
< 1345586757 494275 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1345586761 752395 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1345586775 514281 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dressings, not operations
< 1345586782 710208 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of lettuce, did you know that no-one knows exactly what kind of lettuce they had on the titanic?
< 1345586788 468234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Lettuce is a vegetable with two dressings, join and meet.
< 1345586791 768348 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1345586813 376345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION braces for the punchline

< 1345586813 522474 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc, iceberg lettuce wasn't invented at that time
< 1345587328 700301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell: Worst channel or worstest channel?
< 1345587344 272461 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wurstest
< 1345587515 272293 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bratwurstest!
< 1345587798 203188 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1345588085 486778 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did it do this time
< 1345588090 581434 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ^
< 1345588124 437974 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: UTF-1??
< 1345588205 222065 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : you could do UCS-2.5 with an escape code
< 1345588215 91665 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have reinvented ISO 2022
< 1345588217 288791 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go directly to jail
< 1345588219 57386 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not pass go
< 1345588221 464268 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not collect $200
< 1345588230 18231 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do not collect CHF 60 for a copy of ISO 2022"
< 1345588688 75538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, just the usual.
< 1345588700 999488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads and things.
< 1345588709 197177 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you even in there if you don't like it?
< 1345588719 651230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like some of it.
< 1345588743 224868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is like one of those experiments where the randomized rewards get further and further apart from each other, though. :-)
< 1345588747 618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.$/(/
< 1345588764 168494 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hmm, if that just makes a new ISO 2022, that's boring... I don't know how ISO 2022 works, but is there some way of making it more horribler than ISO 2022?
< 1345589354 770494 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume so
< 1345589374 281842 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 102022
< 1345589388 402484 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also now i want currywurst :(
< 1345589415 831063 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 planes filled with 65536 escape codes each
< 1345589451 194010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads and lenses and kinds, oh my
< 1345589463 46805 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1345589505 121416 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345589576 242722 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurr, this movie has gun kata
< 1345589589 546625 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345589594 987995 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man i forgot about gun kata
< 1345589604 15846 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy to help :)
< 1345589752 467710 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345589952 73436 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1345590233 549214 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs in popular culture
< 1345590382 338868 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1345590387 405509 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh http://geofft.mit.edu/blog/sipb/132 cool
< 1345590629 441840 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yuck, tempfiles?
< 1345590650 788334 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't he use "gcc -x c <"?
< 1345590673 739468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ezyang is moving to CA!
< 1345590714 291264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :canafornia
< 1345590728 419606 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: you still need somewhere to put the executable and run it
< 1345590733 35673 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cellular automafornia
< 1345590737 21399 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok
< 1345590743 372229 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, grad school at stanford
< 1345590744 582319 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew that
< 1345590766 91336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :calistanford
< 1345590767 86388 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there must be a way around that.
< 1345590775 959965 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: let me know
< 1345590815 454851 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are C interpreters, I guess
< 1345590845 307215 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could use that gccrun, which is a very tiny shell script
< 1345590869 622412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turns out you can reach Knuth via email overnight if you know the right person to contact.
< 1345590876 359560 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but, tempfiles?  Yuck.
< 1345590891 68036 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, gcc $0 is a bit more fun
< 1345590902 468641 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury you're really getting on my nerves
< 1345590904 905328 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's the goal
< 1345590912 506295 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not entirely
< 1345590918 372343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not for long _now_...
< 1345590923 372315 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there is a part of my personality that seems to want to
< 1345590957 854522 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i read homestuck for the deep philosophical questions
< 1345590964 194909 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 'is the jig every anywhere but up?'
< 1345591042 468230 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: people in general, or me in particular?
< 1345591052 987971 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is currently vacillating between Common Lisp and Clojure

< 1345591061 502631 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: for what purpose?
< 1345591064 113095 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: people who like haskell in general
< 1345591068 581184 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345591073 759880 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for talking about on IRC?
< 1345591075 901261 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, a language to use for whatever purpose
< 1345591090 287986 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Write your own Lisp.
< 1345591093 305926 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: did i even say i like haskell?
< 1345591095 540879 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe finally trying web dev, maybe making IRC bots, maybe implementing an esolang.
< 1345591116 810554 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you infer that from the fact that i'm annoyed by your extremely ham-fisted attempts at bashing haskell
< 1345591143 291676 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, maybe also people who don't like people who don't like haskell
< 1345591145 610818 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iunno
< 1345591185 551450 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1345591207 166752 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that you "don't like haskell" it's that the intellectual depth of your criticism is "LOL HASKELL SUX AM I RITE"
< 1345591208 49177 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/bash -c "ghc" # bashing haskell
< 1345591220 584795 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, also I like the idea of modifying a program while its running for developement purposes
< 1345591230 84457 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got plenty of gripes with haskell myself
< 1345591259 452109 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's because going any deeper than that into haskell-speak saps my will to live
< 1345591289 257669 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1345591289 956814 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haskellers won't talk to you except in their categorical language
< 1345591298 644656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs.

< 1345591305 736073 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that you think haskell is about category theory indicates that you lack even a basic understanding of the language
< 1345591316 472426 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that haskell is about category theory
< 1345591348 199316 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that haskell coders are about category theory
< 1345591356 268002 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a minority of them
< 1345591357 611501 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway
< 1345591367 421744 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty of pragmatic real-world-language grounds on which to criticize haskell
< 1345591371 607388 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which have nothing to do with category theory
< 1345591385 361291 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being a fan of one concept inspired by category theory does not imply thinking about category theory
< 1345591386 559537 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and generally try to take far too mathematical an approach to programming
< 1345591412 396303 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, does having to deal with monad transformers count as one of those reasons?
< 1345591419 411144 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :potentially
< 1345591441 703438 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm a maths graduate myself, I *love* maths.  But formal methods in programming really turn me off
< 1345591457 200216 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345591490 572824 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell takes heavy inspiration from math, but that doesn't mean it's ... not sure what I'm trying to say
< 1345591520 743402 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is not particularly about "formal methods" but the stuff that's *actually* called "formal methods" is pretty damn important
< 1345591533 359218 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm riding in an airplane, i want to know that the software running the plane has been mathematically proven correct
< 1345591544 741472 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition to lots of real-world testing
< 1345591549 676809 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is not a substitute for the other
< 1345591567 584719 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously if you're making a website to serve cat photos you don't need this degree of rigor
< 1345591574 523590 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :again
< 1345591576 813870 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing to do with haskell
< 1345591583 569850 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell actually sucks as a language for proving shit about your code
< 1345591586 97009 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory it would be great
< 1345591594 469500 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in practice the formal methods community cares about C because it's industrially relevant
< 1345591610 28437 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can prove some stuff within the haskell type system, but there's real diminishing returns in terms of the complexity of doing so
< 1345591634 56511 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm not sure what I'm trying to say either, except that the haskell community and its jargon "smells bad" to me
< 1345591663 904158 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when something "smells bad" you should consider whether it's actually your own prejudices
< 1345591673 225881 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is sadly a lot of anti-intellectualism among programmers
< 1345591683 455690 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i agree that there are many problems with the haskell community as well
< 1345591686 494176 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I just wish this channel had more discussion of /other/ esolangs >snerk<
< 1345591692 579968 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i quit #haskell because it was constantly making me angry
< 1345591697 464589 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what kind of anti-intellectualism do you mean?
< 1345591699 313230 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after several years of hanging out there all the time
< 1345591711 887460 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: the kind you are displaying
< 1345591725 337168 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :taxonomy: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4001
< 1345591727 216123 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :making fun of the fancy math words and the book learnin' without any substantive complaint
< 1345591741 600028 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming anyone with a PhD cannot code
< 1345591756 742128 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so thalamic?
< 1345591759 289457 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :TomWilliams
< 1345591775 335353 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also programmers can be anti-intellectual in that they think all intellectual pursuits *other* than programming are inferior
< 1345591802 632862 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To that all I can say is "Hell no."
< 1345591806 98733 :TomWilliams!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1345591806 378162 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they assume that if only a programmer bothered to look at one of these other fields, they would instantly revolutionize
< 1345591813 949116 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not going to read a long blog post by esr thanks
< 1345591840 967062 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a problem with "book learnin'" per se, just misapplication thereof
< 1345591868 354756 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also every language community has its own jargon
< 1345591882 560216 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell jargon is more unfamiliar because haskell is a unusual language
< 1345591918 54172 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that type of fancy math belongs in programming, I think programming is an analytic/synthetic discipline, whereas the fancy-math approach seems to be purely synthetic
< 1345591945 681160 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something is both analytic and synthetic, then wouldn't you like some analytic tools and some synthetic tools?
< 1345591947 546571 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, programming in haskell looks like the equivalent of doing your calculus with greek geometry á la Isaac Barrow
< 1345591977 685978 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sure but the language has to accommodate both
< 1345592001 358673 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell accommodates most styles...
< 1345592015 427760 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see much room for analysis in the strongly-typed world of haskell
< 1345592017 354230 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it definitely accomodates the loosely-checked, side-effect-full style favored elsewhere
< 1345592025 436954 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've worked out what I don't like about haskell
< 1345592043 706656 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that the type system is too complicated
< 1345592052 94172 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your attitude is one of someone who has read all the hype about what makes Haskell unusual, but hasn't actually used the language and so doesn't know about the various ways in which it compromises on those unusual qualities
< 1345592061 613235 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type system isn't that complicated
< 1345592064 863388 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even have subtyping!
< 1345592069 909473 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer simple ontologies like "everything is a cons" or "everything is a bag of bytes"
< 1345592127 589339 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how much do you actually know about haskell
< 1345592131 47171 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, how much code have you written
< 1345592149 669661 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as I've mentioned before, I don't know much about haskell
< 1345592171 839191 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I know even less about COBOL and I'm willing to hold opinions about it too
< 1345592172 454089 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to hold off complaining about how unrelentingly 'synthetic' it is, then
< 1345592188 314547 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's unwise
< 1345592192 655075 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm willing to substitute the judgement of others whom I trust for my own
< 1345592194 737211 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it causes you to embarrass yourself in public
< 1345592393 901911 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the fanboys are to blame largely
< 1345592434 825152 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :start learning haskell => write a prime number sieve => blog about how pure and mathematical haskell is
< 1345592551 280505 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is this impression that Haskell is a pure object of mathematical beauty and that it forces you to program in a totally different way
< 1345592552 139506 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PART :#esoteric
< 1345592554 344302 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not, and it doesn't
< 1345592575 48920 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is the experience of beginners and that is the furthest most people get
< 1345592658 654426 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if most people only get that far, maybe the learning curve is the wrong shape?
< 1345592673 602066 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it is
< 1345592677 800780 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, brick-wall-shaped instead of curve-shaped ;)
< 1345592686 473614 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of the biggest problems with the language and the reason why it will never be mainstream
< 1345592694 745715 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to convince me about that
< 1345592715 764230 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.37.21 PART :#esoteric
< 1345592770 509579 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i think haskell is a good tool for solving certain problems, but not good enough to justify learning it on those grounds
< 1345592773 791809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote than haskell
< 1345592777 247866 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :844)  stanley: basically, the entire purpose of the esolang community is, we're trying to invent a language that's worse than Haskell.  We're not there yet, though some of the funges are close.
< 1345592784 508340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 844
< 1345592785 74803 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only a practical tool if you've already learned it for fun
< 1345592786 995726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345592788 393932 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  stanley: basically, the entire purpose of the esolang community is, we're trying to invent a language that's worse than Haskell.  We're not there yet, though some of the funges are close.
< 1345592791 352447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard there was an argument about haskell
< 1345592796 125497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thank you for removing that quote
< 1345592800 127087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kept meaning to but then didn't
< 1345592810 15862 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really learned, not just well enough to do prime number sieves and toy lisp implementations
< 1345592812 251344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: after the current argument it suddenly didn't feel funny any more
< 1345592813 123249 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which takes a long time
< 1345592854 383560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, the qdb can be used for preserving stupid things people say
< 1345592856 197985 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw man, why did you delete it?
< 1345592861 128420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ideally they should be stupid things that take a little bit of thought to come up with
< 1345592864 201550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just dumb things
< 1345592895 282495 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sulks

< 1345592931 735846 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen anyone else with this much of an axe to grind about haskell, besides Jon Harrop
< 1345592938 328483 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: are you Jon Harrop
< 1345592941 788148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: i realized it was more sour gripe than humor.
< 1345592965 114903 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually, it wasn't sour gripe.  It wasn't humor either.  It was *humour*.
< 1345592973 203865 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No.  Who is Jon Harrop?
< 1345592990 434037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :has he ever been seen together with soundnfury?
< 1345592991 240974 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a person with an axe to grind about Haskell
< 1345593006 868676 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a troll who #haskell cannot stop talking about, proving his effectiveness
< 1345593021 712273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: actually, it wasn't sour gripe.  It wasn't humor either.  It was *humour*.
< 1345593022 801957 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he does make substantive technical arguments and community criticisms besides LOL HASKELL SUX ITS WORSE THAN SHITE
< 1345593025 652720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry can you be more obnoxious
< 1345593034 340501 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from time to time
< 1345593035 342529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i wouldn't call harrop's arguments substantive...
< 1345593046 677568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are pretty shallow
< 1345593053 152600 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ok.
< 1345593069 885113 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when he accused the haskell community of cherry-picking results to show how great haskell is, i was like
< 1345593074 290068 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ouch... but i see where you're coming from"
< 1345593109 481431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: maybe i would take harrop quarter-seriously if he was not obviously and self-admittedly doing all this for the sole purpose of shilling for his shitty company
< 1345593110 115518 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you named after the Elliott Automation line of computers?
< 1345593121 918069 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact... are you an AI running on an Elliot 503?
< 1345593123 689747 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1345593129 810272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i am actually named after the amplifier brand or something
< 1345593133 604850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least half
< 1345593156 571964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should see some of his deleted stack overflow answers, they are pretty great
< 1345593159 139073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least one of them is
< 1345593184 583239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he acused the DPH people of academic fraud or something because he didn't consider them competent on parallel computing
< 1345593200 549568 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye outer gods, F#?
< 1345593214 346011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*accused
< 1345593222 985647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: so what is your favourite language
< 1345593369 765079 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: C
< 1345593378 223835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: hahaha ok
< 1345593381 29204 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp would run it close if the dialects didn't all suck
< 1345593385 774100 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why is C your favorite language
< 1345593391 800966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: hahaha ok II: the return of hahaha ok
< 1345593391 981785 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though obviously they're for different things
< 1345593417 490930 :nooga!~nooga@ip-93-154-164-145.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats kmc

< 1345593447 944254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you took your time!
< 1345593480 331157 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: because it's easy to mentally model the execution of the code, and because it's local
< 1345593481 704865 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it wrong to like newLisp's source and save functions?
< 1345593517 31602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes.  worse than murder.
< 1345593517 180014 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the sense that everything controlling the semantics of a piece of code is usually in or near that piece)
< 1345593522 185250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: if you think it is easy to mentally model the execution of some C code you have no idea how modern hardware works
< 1345593525 279965 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not easy to mentally model the execution of C code on modern compilers and processors :/
< 1345593533 12620 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously preprocessor abuse can break this)
< 1345593535 679729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: that is also false. function calls exist
< 1345593537 989779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointers exist
< 1345593538 541134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :&c.
< 1345593554 619023 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's god damned hard to mentally model how *assembly* maps to hardware functioning.
< 1345593566 663117 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ah, but reordering and shizzle is supposed not to affect things
< 1345593567 705163 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345593583 684552 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what I mean is "I can emulate the C abstract machine in my head"
< 1345593585 46663 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is at least two layers of abstraction up!
< 1345593585 840170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might say it's just like optimisations performed a haskell -- or indeed any other language's -- compiler
< 1345593605 834759 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: sure, but in a real program it's very likely you'll do things that are technically undefined in C
< 1345593609 800574 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then all bets are off
< 1345593611 636623 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe "semantics" was the wrong word
< 1345593613 652771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone proficient in a language should be able to interpret it mentally... haskell is simpler for this because simple term reduction is a valid evaluation strategy
< 1345593619 308962 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Sure, but that has very little to do with performance.
< 1345593634 885951 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't know what "real programs" you've been looking at
< 1345593635 662628 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: And I can in fact do the same with Haskell with little effort anyways.
< 1345593640 947077 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: did I mention performance?
< 1345593646 161456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually kmc is completely right
< 1345593654 832879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think most programs don't invoke UB you have no idea how strict UB actually is
< 1345593662 545853 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh really?
< 1345593665 482100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even code that doesn't need to use any system interfaces beyond really simple file IO is probably going to do it
< 1345593667 12617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: yes really.
< 1345593670 528722 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CL has a lot of undefined behavior, right?
< 1345593675 703260 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or implementation-defined
< 1345593676 222634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1345593677 594883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you check every possible case of signed overflow before doing it, for instance?
< 1345593678 121684 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read N1256 several times.  I post in comp.lang.c.
< 1345593686 419351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you post in comp.lang.c
< 1345593687 622283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, expert
< 1345593691 495036 :nooga!~nooga@ip-93-154-164-145.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: element of surprise
< 1345593703 939573 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Do you ever use a type ending in _t?
< 1345593709 472078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i forgot about the _t thing
< 1345593712 920009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehehe
< 1345593719 456400 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I use them sometimes.  I don't typedef them
< 1345593720 553847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just invalidity though isn't it
< 1345593730 456532 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one's pernicious courtesy of everyone thinking it's normal style.
< 1345593731 683521 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ie. I sometimes use stdint.h)
< 1345593748 827547 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is newLisp's bizarre reference stuff the only way that source and save are able to work, or could one make another language that reasonably saves its "images" as source code?
< 1345593755 974168 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's reserved namespace. Making identifiers in reserved namespace is UB, not merely invalid.
< 1345593764 208373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah, yes
< 1345593778 985934 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And people do it all the god damned time.
< 1345593789 641944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i will let kmc individually quote examples of undefined behaviour, outlying the argumentation algorithm is good enough for me
< 1345593793 828543 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :newLisp would be good for a nomic
< 1345593794 726240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*outlining
< 1345593797 192958 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merely because of save
< 1345593798 396333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks

< 1345593803 306535 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many people like _FOO_H header guards.
< 1345593815 958846 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i can't be bothered
< 1345593817 846014 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fun thing with C is that most cases of UB still work just like you think it "should", so you mostly never notice when it happens
< 1345593821 23270 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry bros and bro-ettes
< 1345593830 207716 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so, I actually use #pragma once, which makes me a Bad Person
< 1345593842 727093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well this is the first time i have ever seen you not want to argue something
< 1345593844 248843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you feeling ok
< 1345593844 394901 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, we don't actually use the Deathstation 5000.
< 1345593855 497927 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: That's implementation-defined behavior, not UB.
< 1345593861 740683 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, I know
< 1345593863 950396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you should finish your strict C compiler so we have an algorithmic implementation of this argument strategy
< 1345593866 442547 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: That still makes you a bad person mind. :)
< 1345593868 337932 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still makes me a Bad Person
< 1345593875 222934 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmta
< 1345593882 679129 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, we should
< 1345593883 833552 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks

< 1345593884 601394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dinosaurs used the deathstation 5000.
< 1345593885 269268 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's hardly the first time
< 1345593894 834852 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm not enough of a C expert to quote chapter and verse
< 1345593908 178950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling Deewiant and fizzie :p
< 1345593910 443143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe ais523? I forget
< 1345593938 768836 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ais523 write NH4, or Acehack, or something?
< 1345593950 816945 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgets which variant is which (since I only play vanilla)

< 1345593999 461600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i actually only read how this argument started now
< 1345594011 302212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly, it is even stupider than I could have possibly imagined
< 1345594015 24046 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if he's been near NH code, he must know his C
< 1345594023 181642 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, they subtitled everyone's ugh, uhh, agh, wah and aggh in the fight scene
< 1345594030 785310 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like to exceed people's expectations ;)
< 1345594041 353921 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: )
< 1345594051 845338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally the expectation of being a jerk to people is not one you want to assume unless you are trying to be a bad person
< 1345594054 633644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :";)"
< 1345594057 591725 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-153-191.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345594092 882058 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it's just that I'm disappointed by how little actual esolang talk goes on in this channel
< 1345594099 509008 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, unless you count Haskell as an esolang)
< 1345594107 437774 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah try starting some esolang talk then
< 1345594112 313694 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I vent that disappointment through jerkish behaviour.
< 1345594122 245141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of esolang talk goes on when there is esolang stuff to talk about
< 1345594122 391882 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i'm immature"
< 1345594126 230365 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh there isn't that much haskell talk either
< 1345594135 592455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not a popular enough field to sustain 24/7 conversation
< 1345594142 119945 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of it is just... not programming
< 1345594150 16963 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Ok.  Has anyone tried to use my Eniuq, or looked at ternary ECL?
< 1345594151 789039 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me bitching about xkcd
< 1345594161 696517 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, that I *cannot* excuse
< 1345594163 817032 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 presenting nonsensical analogies and theories
< 1345594171 479297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: are you an xkcd fan
< 1345594175 860139 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Very.
< 1345594179 38722 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe
< 1345594181 94894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehehehehehehe
< 1345594181 985606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is good
< 1345594189 430396 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit it has declined over time
< 1345594195 548914 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury is a robot sent from the future to annoy me
< 1345594210 365118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw you forgot Sgeo {talking about,switching} languages
< 1345594218 206137 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1345594219 791224 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for kmc to /nick SarahConnor

< 1345594226 196693 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo deciding which language is best for not doing anything
< 1345594226 414308 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1345594256 371558 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, hey, I wrote a bot in Tcl recently!
< 1345594257 127583 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and lots of Finnish-related stuff.  That's the other thing in this channel.
< 1345594257 312497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: best for idling in IRC channel of; best for teaching people
< 1345594268 985454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots and lots of Finnish-related stuff
< 1345594270 729021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you high
< 1345594286 416536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just mean oklopol or something...
< 1345594307 781771 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe not all that much
< 1345594314 53745 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does come up
< 1345594314 848743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you also forgot zzo38 occasionally redeeming the channel
< 1345594319 206465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitä!
< 1345594329 192378 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people talking about vowel harmony and suchlike a couple of weeks back
< 1345594337 306157 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some insanely long string of suffices
< 1345594344 23920 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :minun ilmatyynyalus on täynnä ankeriaita
< 1345594359 647782 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all akkuukkää-ish
< 1345594370 460718 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes zzo38 jumping into the middle of a conversation to ask us what our favorite pokémon card is
< 1345594384 738935 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yhdeksänkymmentäseitsemän
< 1345594416 478905 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is certainly esoteric...
< 1345594421 678222 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ankeriaita
< 1345594475 606854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :luojan kiitos googlen käännös
< 1345594529 62589 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tosiaanko
< 1345594555 342692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345594561 346946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of the
< 1345594604 227709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38
< 1345594613 984492 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the last actually finnish person to speak was fizzie three hours ago
< 1345594664 51167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: anyway I am surprised you have the patience for this place
< 1345594675 464017 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it here
< 1345594679 387344 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone is crazy
< 1345594683 541977 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't feel bad about being crazy
< 1345594687 420039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad
< 1345594690 623273 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.  "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.  "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
< 1345594695 37132 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what, you're not crazy
< 1345594710 528806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is about as crazy as Vorpal
< 1345594712 131576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but less annoying
< 1345594731 946984 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did vorpal talk or something
< 1345594739 249051 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's not very crazy at all, now is it?
< 1345594746 340606 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen vorpal for yonks
< 1345594808 939986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Vorpal is not actually annoying any more
< 1345594812 67165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all grow up eventually
< 1345594814 555089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even I will, one day
< 1345594868 608740 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1345594869 349514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WON'T
< 1345594886 340704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already have
< 1345594889 642536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just get crushed by the maturity demands
< 1345594896 503225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you like 50 now
< 1345594900 758815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :42
< 1345594902 491143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many maturity demands are even left
< 1345594907 806166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i'm 17 now :/
< 1345594910 753109 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :42!?
< 1345594911 809272 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1345594922 651009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: did you turn 18 yet
< 1345594926 941203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always forget how old you are
< 1345594927 100812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott; Now?
< 1345594930 54012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was Aug 22?
< 1345594937 415964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait.
< 1345594939 145832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ date
< 1345594939 338508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wed Aug 22 01:23:59 BST 2012
< 1345594976 562989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flime ties like an arrow. :-(
< 1345594980 880086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is it already more than a year since we celebrated elliott's 16th birthday
< 1345594989 620446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, it's just under a year.
< 1345594990 473431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo celebrate
< 1345594995 814605 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we celebrate birthdays!?
< 1345595002 790191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Shall I eat cake in your honor?
< 1345595009 124598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1345595012 939213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy elliott++ !
< 1345595020 563964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma elliott
< 1345595020 845748 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 22
< 1345595024 282861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of karma
< 1345595029 638911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feeling "groovy"
< 1345595033 974911 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma chameleon
< 1345595034 818838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chameleon has a karma of 0
< 1345595037 383535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:23   elliott: 16
< 1345595049 423450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1345595055 8403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:44:48:  hello
< 1345595055 181195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:45:32:  anyone looking for a tarot reading?
< 1345595056 737256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice newbie
< 1345595062 956551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you know you have an entry in my Birthday file?!
< 1345595067 106780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :/
< 1345595072 493298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long is it
< 1345595078 781882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One entry.
< 1345595097 220366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it's ~45, it looks like.
< 1345595122 747579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next up is my mother.
< 1345595124 308222 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that was fun, zzo38 very narrowly missed the opportunity to display his tarot reading bot before they disappeared
< 1345595140 633255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, how does it feel to be OLD?
< 1345595147 729542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (You're old now.)
< 1345595165 867577 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, 17?
< 1345595168 502557 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yellow pig.
< 1345595182 358347 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I think zzo originally came here for the other esoterica but simply stayed anyway
< 1345595183 537537 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pigs aren't yellow, soundnfury
< 1345595186 529711 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pink
< 1345595189 166229 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It's a Thing
< 1345595191 856374 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on
< 1345595195 322773 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a wrong thing maybe
< 1345595198 373679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Yellow pigs are pink?
< 1345595206 521209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Image:Monad-tutorials-chart.png
< 1345595209 378273 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vinc17.org/yp17/index.en.html
< 1345595212 711046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You obviously haven't read any books by Michael Spivak. :-(
< 1345595240 65734 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yay, someone recognised it :-)
< 1345595260 884734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf uses haskell tho
< 1345595263 341772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"compromises; in life"
< 1345595270 900491 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that doesn't make him evil
< 1345595274 934390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: I read portions of a book by Michael Spivak!
< 1345595286 828367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also "uses haskell" is a contradiction because haskell is uesless qed
< 1345595292 945066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!
< 1345595296 462744 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like that line of Stallman's: "Using vi isn't a sin, it's a penance"
< 1345595347 713840 :nooga!~nooga@ip-93-154-164-145.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345595354 603043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we're quoting stallman. great
< 1345595356 816930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love this channel
< 1345595361 69741 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i evil
< 1345595383 104210 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust people who eat their feet, especially not when they say bad things about vi
< 1345595396 517927 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard stories about that
< 1345595408 421037 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds gross !
< 1345595417 774528 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, emacs users are yucky
< 1345595418 519342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You know what's gross?
< 1345595421 645167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yellow pigs. :-(
< 1345595428 714244 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1345595436 350822 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok they're not real
< 1345595436 559060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Where do you live again?
< 1345595436 971343 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Escape Meta Alt Control Shift
< 1345595438 774532 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like ghosts
< 1345595442 154537 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and boogeymans
< 1345595445 196853 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eighty Megs And Constantly Swapping
< 1345595452 631970 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs Makes All Computers Slow
< 1345595474 160371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Wait, you're crazy?
< 1345595479 760808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't noticed. Am I crazy too?
< 1345595480 501436 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how many times you press escape in emacs, you never end up in normal mode
< 1345595484 291046 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with the Eighty Megs acronym is that that's nothing now :)
< 1345595484 436984 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: we're *all* crazy here
< 1345595485 764332 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, you're sane
< 1345595486 144216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: wow these are good
< 1345595493 577736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: you must be getting these from the GNU Jokes Collection!
< 1345595496 937738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i use vi and emacs, what does this make me
< 1345595500 578552 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sorry :(
< 1345595503 822229 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A bad person.
< 1345595505 635833 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: true
< 1345595515 491878 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: an apostate?
< 1345595528 311272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eighthundred Megs and Constantly Swapping
< 1345595530 802264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :elliott now constructible with compass and ruler | Just a remote control and some old gum | atriq is Taneb, just so you know | With creativity, anything can be a topic | except this | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1345595535 753326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"updated 4 the 'gnu' generation"
< 1345595544 339698 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: must be some kind of multiple personality disorder
< 1345595544 937336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: idgi
< 1345595558 91564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a regular 17-gon now, right?
< 1345595560 223671 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, except they changed the name of that diagnosis
< 1345595566 74065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should feel bad
< 1345595575 452815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always, elliott 
< 1345595596 623983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like that
< 1345595608 627541 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, istr the first part of the topic was the least boring one, you should've replaced the other parts instead
< 1345595613 32148 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: although actually, eighty megs for a /text editor/ is still a bit much
< 1345595641 22346 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Not if you use GDocs as your text editor 8-D
< 1345595641 542783 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't believe elliott is 17
< 1345595661 466443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I first joined #haskell when I was 15. :-(
< 1345595662 395236 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm guessing that edits rich text?
< 1345595680 142871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was young and foolish back then. Now I'm no less foolish, but also old.
< 1345595680 486507 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : The problem with the Eighty Megs acronym is that that's nothing now :)
< 1345595683 414391 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :paging nortti
< 1345595689 320937 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Sure, but you could use it to edit plain text if you were stupid enough.
< 1345595698 313533 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :eight megagigs?
< 1345595705 37953 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: lol
< 1345595721 664075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm actually 71
< 1345595730 835375 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eight mobies?  then it'd be constantly swapping!
< 1345595739 840376 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but 8 myllion is 800 million, right?
< 1345595744 701949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottL more like 71 *dozen*!!
< 1345595753 913584 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 800 MB is not that much either
< 1345595764 580349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :80 myllion, though...
< 1345595796 51309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I did not come here for the other esoterica, and I also do not have a tarot reading bot. However I have told them I was interested to have a tarot deck to play some card game.
< 1345595798 169126 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the term "moby" needs to be revived, given how prevalent swap/virtual memory is these days
< 1345595812 220094 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was ... extrapolating a bit
< 1345595817 568792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but then it would have outshone the glorious news!
< 1345595819 243368 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe the need is being killed by 64-bit address spaces now
< 1345595941 482968 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit address space: lets you address more memory and use less swap!
< 1345596047 801473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically those pants could have outshone anything, anyway
< 1345596094 999010 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and there I remembered what that part of the old topic was
< 1345596204 201825 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it mean soundnfury
< 1345596677 971356 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what, "moby"?
< 1345596685 513747 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either the size of a machine's physical RAM,
< 1345596708 897075 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the machine's address space (more precisely, the maximum amount of memory a single process may address)
< 1345596760 433272 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exact definition gets more complicated in the face of machines with sideways addressing schemes and other weirdness
< 1345596779 434564 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-153-105.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345596821 370550 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/moby.html
< 1345596933 835086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also http://www.dourish.com/goodies/jargon.html grep /moby/, for the un-esr'd version.)
< 1345596937 710643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shame that page lacks anchors)
< 1345596940 293670 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the ability to save an image as source code sufficient to like a language's environment?
< 1345596949 89999 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I think that that's a good feature of newLisp
< 1345597076 315693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen/heard the finished version of my rearrangement of "The Internationale" music (including percussion)?
< 1345597086 195399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Can you explain?
< 1345597102 896118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i would like to see/hear your rearrangement
< 1345597106 495295 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you have against esr?
< 1345597115 800159 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, let's not start another argument
< 1345597152 360546 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, there's a function in newLisp, source, that can take the environment, all variables and objects etc., and turn it into a string that can be interpreted later to re-create the environment
< 1345597193 279505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That can be useful sometimes.
< 1345597208 859342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: well, he's a moronic, racist far-right-winger, so there's that
< 1345597229 728024 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, indeed. It means I could develop at the REPL and save my work
< 1345597246 802588 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lolwut
< 1345597247 878779 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it seems like the perfect environment for a codenomic: The changes are all visible as source.
< 1345597253 604303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more relevantly he edited the jargon file without any apparent understanding of the underlying material or its culture, so...
< 1345597262 502551 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lolwut
< 1345597266 360234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: These are all the files, the one "internationale.*" are the one I am mentioning. You need NES/Famicom emulator to play the music, and if you want to make some changes and recompile you need my improved version of PPMCK as well.   http://2a03.free.fr/?p=pub&dir=zzo38
< 1345597290 788739 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to walk away from this one
< 1345597294 346061 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345597306 85233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is based on a arrangement I found on Wikipedia so this is now called a "rearrangement" instead of "arrangement", isn't it?
< 1345597313 968899 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1345597322 462359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'and for essentially abandoning it when it reached a point that he considered "finished". '
< 1345597323 502161 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1345597326 114232 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to do that
< 1345597330 30650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the racism, cf. http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4270 among others -- uh, I can't find the link to his Bell Curve nonsense though
< 1345597344 425084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the far-right-winger part, no need to dig up links, he is vocal enough about it himself
< 1345597366 471527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you doing the Stripe flag thing?
< 1345597383 345793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the what
< 1345597406 623040 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, maybe I'm not going to walk away
< 1345597425 140130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The capture-the-flag thing.
< 1345597430 464489 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your definitions of both "racism" and "far-right-winger" are bizarre
< 1345597452 774275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gnite
< 1345597467 640176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we actually at the point of "john derbyshire is not racist" now
< 1345597468 690536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehe
< 1345597473 60972 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I point those of you who have not already made up your minds here: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4278
< 1345597474 929875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're really fucking stupid, btw
< 1345597485 152509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like amazingly
< 1345597488 953547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye <3
< 1345597489 99674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1345597508 941833 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PART :#esoteric
< 1345597515 282405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you like this music?
< 1345597516 610139 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... backatcha.
< 1345597522 29095 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: he's gone.
< 1345597524 931723 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've all gone.
< 1345597530 505510 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we're back.
< 1345597532 531150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like that music?
< 1345597577 374640 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the rest of you also: I don't know whether john derbyshire is racist or not.  However, ESR isn't.  Not even slightly.
< 1345597769 374786 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure you are not racist?
< 1345597790 308429 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am racist against humans, ponies are best.
< 1345597833 999913 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't prejudice my judgement of individuals by generalisations at all, let alone false ones.  So no.
< 1345597865 712164 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345597946 362850 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may sometimes make judgements about an individual-valued random variable based on generalisations, but to call /that/ $foo-ist is ludicrous
< 1345598481 131049 :derdon_!~derdon@p5DE8BC7F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345598651 943555 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A58C.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345600565 299337 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, wait, where did you get that accidental quote from.
< 1345600602 556156 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't accidentally quote it, I deliberately quoted it and my "oops" was in reference to my tendency to do that
< 1345600613 499192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Eric_S._Raymond
< 1345600801 14296 :derdon_!~derdon@p5DE8BC7F.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345601146 461165 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blinks

< 1345601149 766677 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep-fried pizza?
< 1345601166 542899 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kay, Scotland is the only country that can keep up with America in the "deep-fry everything" contest.
< 1345601169 297405 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe I should try some
< 1345601248 405786 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they have deep-fried pizza and we have deep-fried Twinkies.
< 1345601261 38632 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I get deep-fried Twinkies?
< 1345601269 621030 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And are those more calories than normal Twinkies?
< 1345601279 491466 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fairs, ball games...
< 1345601283 618288 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost certainly.
< 1345601296 337566 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get some
< 1345601301 429342 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a twinkie battered and deep fried.
< 1345601314 363575 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ah, that article.
< 1345601331 905026 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it still censor ESR's racism, I forget?
< 1345601376 551312 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a guy who ostensibly hates ESR to toe the party line but thinks he's this ~superhacker~ for writing libpng.)
< 1345601402 400565 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I didn't read the full article
< 1345601436 410889 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wouldn't really notice it anyway, he just removed the parts that actually called it racist.
< 1345601493 829328 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ESR's responsible for libpng?
< 1345601495 877253 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE SHALL PAY
< 1345601507 886666 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is libpng terrible.
< 1345601513 699419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is libpng bad?
< 1345601519 312045 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an example of how not to do APIs.
< 1345601530 335187 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, also you are hilariously stupid?
< 1345601536 819665 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, ahahaha.
< 1345601559 576636 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, what's libpng like?
< 1345601568 734936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When libpng encounters an error, it expects to longjmp back to your routine.  Therefore, you will need to call setjmp and pass your png_jmpbuf(png_ptr)."
< 1345601574 4680 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The guy was all like "well who are YOU to criticise ESR's programming did you know your browser WOULDN'T RUN if he hadn't written WHOLE PARTS of libpng and libgif"
< 1345601577 179556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1345601579 866623 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That much isn't too bad.
< 1345601592 38888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at the API documentation.

< 1345601602 87968 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's either that or returning error conditions.
< 1345601621 442108 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my favorite, but I'm not going to consider use of longjmp horrid.
< 1345601632 918509 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the obvious implication that parsing PNGs is a terribly complex task requiring vast knowledge and skill.
< 1345601651 528343 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft, gzip's literally the only hard part.
< 1345601656 2091 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And libpng punts that.
< 1345601690 33114 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/show-them-the-code
< 1345601698 106982 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh also, "Um, no. INTERCAL is one of the things that is ESR working in his sphere of powerful competence."
< 1345601747 604348 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, ESR's one of those figures mostly notable for being loud.
< 1345601763 592934 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, why?
< 1345601764 260656 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he ruined the word "hacker"
< 1345601774 239864 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not singlehandedly but he's one of the culprits
< 1345601778 73386 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, liking ESR for one.
< 1345601788 56546 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, him and Stallman?
< 1345601794 340857 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :real hackers like esr and xkcd
< 1345601803 634363 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Stallman talk about hackers a lot? i don't know
< 1345601824 491156 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esr and paul graham ruined the word "hacker"
< 1345601825 270095 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sometimes; used to more than he does now.
< 1345601826 831339 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably other people
< 1345601863 807888 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/hacker/cracker/ is one of his hair-trigger things still I think.
< 1345601977 10217 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What y'all wanna do? / Wanna be hackers? Code crackers? Slackers / Wastin' time with all the chatroom yakkers?
< 1345601999 874100 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I don't know what kind of people edit RationalWiki, but I don't think their aggregate qualifies as "rational"
< 1345602025 651971 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a complete cesspit, but that's irrelevant.
< 1345602045 268012 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :particularly the cite alleging that he "denies the existence of dark matter" when what he's actually claiming is "'dark matter' is useless as an explanatory device"
< 1345602046 400500 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to admit that this sentence seems to be a non-sequeter "The worst part of all is that he blames Alan Turing for his judicial punishment and suicide, even though Raymond, like every other computer programmer, owes Turing his career."
< 1345602065 199959 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do find blaming Turing problematic, but not sure what the later part of the sentence has to do with it
< 1345602066 85628 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: It's basically 1 part rationalist and 9 parts silly.
< 1345602099 597080 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That... Seems utterly inconsistent with ESR.
< 1345602103 775155 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 9 parts snide, normally poor humour.
< 1345602119 126481 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing was a genius but it seems quite a stretch to claim that nobody would be programming computers today without him
< 1345602123 129881 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, and a few parts irrational of course.
< 1345602129 263231 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An LWian would immediately recognise that argument; "dark matter" is a semantic stopsign
< 1345602130 716485 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of other people were working on similar problems at the same time
< 1345602140 510026 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the internal politics are astonishingly venomous.
< 1345602155 155351 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact most of Turing's practical engineering work remained classified for decades
< 1345602175 337642 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, didn't Church resolve the halting problem before him anyway?
< 1345602181 148237 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure who was first
< 1345602190 353428 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that the substantial results on the LC came before Turing's work.
< 1345602191 500898 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, even if computers could only exist because of him, that still doesn't mean he's perfect and unflawed. It seems unreasonable to say that his work makes him uncriticisable.
< 1345602201 236883 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: How much overlap does RW have with LW anyways?
< 1345602208 892332 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Actually, I'm going with "very little".
< 1345602214 506063 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah, that too
< 1345602217 416391 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, mutual contempt.
< 1345602221 81483 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I presume very little
< 1345602224 885069 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well.
< 1345602231 190469 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Church beat him to the Entscheidungsproblem, anyway
< 1345602239 287238 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They both claim to be rational, and... LW seems to try?
< 1345602241 468017 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, that was a golden age for esolang designers
< 1345602250 519412 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when designing an esolang could get you a Ph.D
< 1345602257 914111 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, LW does more than just call itself rational
< 1345602270 242243 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LW doesn't really care and when RW brings it up it's normally negative.
< 1345602298 467689 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at RW on LW

< 1345602304 843890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's RW and LW?
< 1345602312 450607 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RationalWiki and LessWrong
< 1345602314 581344 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Rational Wiki, LessWrong
< 1345602326 853105 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't normally abbreviate, but the context of the discussion made it unambiguous.
< 1345602337 961420 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :read-write and laser walrus
< 1345602343 596865 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course they'd be the same if we were in China.
< 1345602367 732881 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: s/China/Japan/
< 1345602377 614108 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't RationalWiki supposed to be a more or less direct response to Conservapedia
< 1345602379 472875 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese languages, from what I understand, have different phonemes.
< 1345602382 864911 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore completely doomed
< 1345602396 994825 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Seems to be a buttload less formal.
< 1345602406 991083 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like TVTropes in tone.
< 1345602415 487515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure whether Conservapedia is satire.
< 1345602439 354473 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yes, although CP was dying a slow but steady death when I stopped caring.
< 1345602439 501618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. http://www.conservapedia.com/E%3Dmc%C2%B2
< 1345602441 239317 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least undetected trolling likely is
< 1345602459 249725 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, the thing about CP is that most of the authors are trolls.
< 1345602472 588287 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm pretty sure it's one or two serious people surrounded by trolls.
< 1345602481 738781 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As indeed were most of the admins at one point.
< 1345602499 309609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That page was created by the founder, though.
< 1345602529 159664 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conservapedia's problem with the theory of relativity seems to be that it has a word in it that's also in "moral relativity"
< 1345602534 823397 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For more than a century, the claim that E=mc² has never yielded anything of value." wow that does feel awful Poe-y.
< 1345602535 485772 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345602554 875860 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a common way that scientific discoveries are made. But, as stated above, this is not how E=mc� was discovered. But it could have been. But in the event, it wasn't." is blatant parody.
< 1345602561 344521 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Preaching "rationalism" as if it's a religion substitute." as a trait of a LWian?
< 1345602566 937852 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused

< 1345602581 270273 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: also relativity conflicts with quantum
< 1345602583 850254 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it's been edited by other people though.
< 1345602584 521641 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quantum proves god exists
< 1345602605 618751 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schlafly does have a really dumb hatred of relativity though.
< 1345602628 557930 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure how you could read the sequences and have religious devotion to anything. Yudkowsky in particular.
< 1345602648 545154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :LW is *such* a phyg, man!
< 1345602656 290092 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You'll be unsurprised to know that many in the LessWrong community self-diagnose themselves as being on the Asperger's/autism spectrum. They do all this because they are bad at human interaction."
< 1345602657 815252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, come on. They use the word "phyg".
< 1345602687 982351 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many white male STEM majors with self-diagnosed aspergers does it take to screw in a lightbulb
< 1345602692 163360 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I. Um. What the fuck and where did that unsubstantiated attempt at ad hominem come from?
< 1345602722 11689 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345602772 966371 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, FWIW the guy largely behind that article is the same one who loves ESR.
< 1345602773 150092 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2300/fc02232.png
< 1345602781 806729 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RW says: "That's about 300,000-450,000 words for [the core sequences]... For comparison, the Lord Of The Rings trilogy is 473,000 words... 'Read the sequences' is equivalent to 'fuck you'"
< 1345602828 734576 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, I think that if you tried to post on a forum about Tolkien without having read LotR they'd say "Read LotR"
< 1345602867 415510 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to join a discussion community, it's reasonable to expect that you're familiar with at least the basics of the thing being discussed
< 1345602869 352275 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Yudkowsky would have to be fucking amazing at cults-of-personality to be running one at LW.
< 1345602882 653852 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A quick glance suggests he doesn't post there.
< 1345602885 30159 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how many sequences do i have to read before my thetans are gone
< 1345602895 691361 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH you can skip most of those words and still have a near-total knowledge of LotR.
< 1345602923 941749 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can watch the films
< 1345602941 428332 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just wouldn't know the exact tree that Legolas stood next to when he pulled arrows out of Grishnakh the orc.
< 1345602948 519227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to use LodePNG instead of libpng
< 1345602997 657485 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes zzo, but you also believe that LaTeX is a bloated mess.
< 1345603025 7312 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: To be fair, it is a mess.
< 1345603038 368922 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just code to convert a png file into a bitmap data structure right?
< 1345603050 488769 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitmap being the vague term here
< 1345603052 627360 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: And vice versa.
< 1345603063 786950 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1345603070 482061 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it'll do the inverse and some more odds and ends, but yes.
< 1345603140 959753 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, lodepng seems to be much nicer.
< 1345603164 244562 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple usage is simple, advanced usage is still simpler than libpng.
< 1345603294 482433 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, the gzip stuff in it seems to be written by him too.
< 1345603749 547097 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : particularly the cite alleging that he "denies the existence of dark matter" when what he's actually claiming is "'dark matter' is useless as an explanatory device"
< 1345603753 965525 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that because it's black
< 1345604772 525195 :rodgort`!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345604891 742758 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345604904 213160 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345604909 541381 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, it's because it doesn't make any predictions
< 1345604922 242954 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, in a case of unfortunate terminology, a black box
< 1345605087 586204 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you say it's the black sheep of theories
< 1345605089 279517 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a real black swan
< 1345605090 161341 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it actually took me three minutes to realise that that was a racism joke
< 1345605169 239940 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no doubt this will now be used as evidence that I am somehow racist too.  Of course, immediately seeing it would also have been evidence
< 1345605209 88397 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on your definition of racist i think
< 1345605212 962542 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the kind of people who bandy allegations of racism at people who are obviously /not/ Klansmen tend not to be too worried about niggling little things like Bayes' Theorem
< 1345605218 34567 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: what horrible persecution you suffer
< 1345605258 242195 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: non sequitur cabbage
< 1345605286 886650 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: I find it strange you immediately went to "evidence that I am somehow racist".
< 1345605318 923106 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and claiming that the KKK is the only sort of racism is a ridiculous false dichotomy
< 1345605338 851278 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :racism refers also to pervasive social attitudes held subconsciously by more or less well-meaning people
< 1345605377 93668 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if your trouble spending good times with people of another race is due to segregation or self-diagnosed autism, or fearing reverse-racism then you're not a bad person either way
< 1345605385 956819 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, i agree with pikhq
< 1345605391 864373 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is strange that you went there
< 1345605415 288824 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes, but it's silly to accuse an individual of the "pervasive subconscious attitudes" type of racism
< 1345605423 776095 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all
< 1345605424 586419 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I went there mainly for the humour
< 1345605430 953131 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, hilarious joke soundnfury
< 1345605434 153987 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The humor fell remarkably flat.
< 1345605443 672601 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you go back to awkwardly working your hatred of haskell into every discussion
< 1345605446 673337 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was much better
< 1345605457 195069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1345605462 59094 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :less of a swan and more of a black elephant on the table?
< 1345605462 716341 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It came across as a "thou doth protest too much" type situation.
< 1345605482 691810 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Okay.  "The only good thing about Haskell is that it isn't racist."
< 1345605488 19625 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1345605498 444119 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, with all that talk of "purity"
< 1345605508 946809 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's named for a white man; what could be more racist?
< 1345605518 974286 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I guess because, anyone who'll accuse /ESR/ of racism clearly has loose epistemic standards as to what constitutes racism.
< 1345605519 135186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not to mention the System.Process bug you found!
< 1345605521 642517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was totally racist.
< 1345605530 313014 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is it named for a Dead White Male?
< 1345605542 473283 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the esr thing..
< 1345605544 311943 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Well, Haskell Curry is dead, white, and male. So, yes.
< 1345605557 82942 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.  I didn't know whether curry was dead
< 1345605565 372582 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He died in '82 at the age of 82.
< 1345605589 225599 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well played
< 1345605649 249304 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read " is that because it's black" as "is that because he's black"
< 1345605665 226033 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for a second
< 1345605860 237898 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-227-175.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345605885 357134 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my very old laundry smells real freaking bad
< 1345605976 617673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1345606063 284283 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345606104 596834 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :astounding
< 1345606109 728960 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345606166 770851 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345609525 705539 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-147-49.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345609612 614015 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-227-175.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1345610814 803928 :c0rt3x2!~c0rt3x@p579E83B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345610907 432528 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-153-105.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345612161 979366 :c0rt3x2!~c0rt3x@p579E83B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1345613743 210122 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was briefly convinced that newLisp had fixed image-based development
< 1345613827 303871 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it occurs to me that saving out stuff doesn't necessarily imply that the output is in an ideal fashion to be modified
< 1345613852 220062 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be formatted differently, I don't know what happens to comments, etc. etc.
< 1345613862 230192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So using the saved result as the source code may be less than ideal
< 1345613880 28900 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Curry died at the age of 81
< 1345613971 790215 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-147-49.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: Balls.
< 1345614830 193663 :asieNetbook!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345615571 132686 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1345616376 686672 :asieNetbook!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345616455 225464 :asiekierka!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345616457 138092 :asie_!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345616467 664877 :asiekierka!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Client Quit
< 1345616473 646171 :asie_!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl NICK :asieNetbook
< 1345617090 977909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the real time clock in my computer is slow
< 1345617127 814032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to fix or replace that component?
< 1345617491 135961 :asieNetbook!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1345617497 651824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make two seven-letter words rhyming for "OFFICIAL'S LYMPHOID TISSUES IN THROAT"
< 1345618183 536447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like "hold second one as you hold a pencil"?
< 1345618290 178056 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345618486 817157 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my advice is just don't worry about the clock unless it's very slow
< 1345618522 685383 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does seem to be very slow. I set it a few months ago and today it was ten minutes behind until I fixed the time
< 1345618575 725121 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.  Can this not be fixed with NTP?
< 1345618692 249254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it can but I would rather fix my computer.
< 1345619356 934482 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It strikes me that using clojure stuff from the Java side probably feels like using very poorly designed code, due to using one Java class for data in general
< 1345619365 136816 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, that's what it would likely feel like)
< 1345619641 804731 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might just try relaxing with Clojure
< 1345619670 990505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's not just a battery issue like a slow RTC often is?
< 1345619690 151453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a large community, it's a not too terribly hated Lisp, it's main problem from my perspective is probably the slowness of the JVM, and is that really a big deal?
< 1345619794 906416 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also more functional than CL
< 1345619828 300147 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the JVM gives it some impurities though
< 1345619836 988312 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how necessary are protocols when you have multimethods?
< 1345619969 735389 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345620729 381786 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.37.21 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345620731 434125 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : probably possible, but any sane person would murder you
< 1345620742 638373 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To something I said in #clojure )
< 1345620743 24139 :asieNetbook!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: No route to host
< 1345620844 188162 :asiekierka!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345623423 260013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345624069 874742 :nooga!~nooga@dwe98.internetdsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345624296 757924 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345624772 552761 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: lol at everything soundnfury said about haskell
< 1345624803 748793 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345624830 771110 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345624973 902606 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultimately Haskell is just another functional language
< 1345625073 630484 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is more than a programming language
< 1345625094 890909 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is life itself
< 1345625126 158873 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think life would be a Lisp dialect
< 1345625234 665601 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i should point out i am a troll who doesn't know haskell
< 1345625487 825087 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = putStrLn "Learn Haskell!" >> main
< 1345625534 758758 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.37.21 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345625610 177249 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(good_idea) not
< 1345625614 581228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345625626 252538 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im joking.. but its just something i had on my mind
< 1345625871 524779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :elliott now constructible with compass and ruler | come to think of it, he was last year too, and the previous.  but not the next | Just a remote control and some old gum | atriq is Taneb, just so you know | With creativity, anything can be a topic | except this | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1345625955 612113 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the RTC will be soldered somewhere on your motherboard
< 1345625971 663077 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it'd be easy to buy a new one
< 1345625977 789160 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, breaking news: technology website publishes article about large corporation being investigated for IT patent infringement
< 1345626013 199397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more breaking news: politician implicated in corruption, hypocrisy
< 1345626023 39276 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT patents are a joke
< 1345626026 326758 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A joke I say
< 1345626061 964567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gallows humor
< 1345626112 134906 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breaking news: Pop singer breaks up with movie actress!
< 1345626429 8758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breaking news: Globe still warming.
< 1345626505 242853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breaking news: Exiting a loop halfway through.
< 1345626513 629389 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345626834 236024 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345626987 255033 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually incredible to me in hindsight how many patents can be created 
< 1345627019 988230 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, no I'm not
< 1345627021 750521 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.>
< 1345627024 712887 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sending messages over a number of computers connected together
< 1345627025 750551 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i think about all the manmade objects in my house, and i just don't see 10s of 1000s of patents
< 1345627142 206417 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't enough RPN-like languages
< 1345627155 989643 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly PN
< 1345627196 429652 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPNised Lisp would have no ()s at all
< 1345627249 540509 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be harder to read though
< 1345627258 724004 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, have you ever played with Factor?
< 1345627261 581999 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd still do indentation for that
< 1345627265 125309 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although admittedly it's not a Lisp
< 1345627276 863421 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't
< 1345627332 766349 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks cool
< 1345627448 126415 :asiekierka!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1345627833 448528 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: boost::spirit doesn't to work with C++ 11 lambdas
< 1345627863 504278 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe I can convert them to a function object? That should work.
< 1345627991 72047 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well since it already is a function object
< 1345627995 433750 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the actual problem
< 1345628278 301553 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i don't like about patent battles is that the essential disputes in each case could be sufficiently abstracted and simplified that orangutans could stand in for the lawyers
< 1345628287 376579 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe they possess the necessary reasoning skills
< 1345628429 544206 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the commentary would be approximately the same too
< 1345628460 438908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :will there be flinging of feces?
< 1345628491 826717 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Billy and Tommy continue to butt heads over patents and the licensing of each others' technologies.
< 1345628565 869217 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two orangutans are not friends, but Billy wants to be, months after the zookeeper acquired the orangutan -- as well as its patent troubles. 
< 1345628578 972158 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345628595 595063 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i broke the analogy there though
< 1345628642 932002 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345628669 442899 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: suffice to say that under experimental conditions, monkeys can experience executive stress and also get upset if someone is cheating
< 1345628689 558682 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know exactly how true that is, but it's enough to argue patents
< 1345628745 493119 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you completely ignore the spirit of the patent, and see it as an abstract entity whose value is measured by the damage it can do to others
< 1345628764 174066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We claim that Orangusoft has violated our patent on the upper hand fling."
< 1345628794 527783 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orangusoft claims prior art
< 1345628844 838095 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds Greater Bronze Patent Collection.

< 1345628900 223092 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has encountered a kobold weak against Wifi Patents.

< 1345628907 340838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am sorry but previous to Orangusoft's patent the upper hand fling was only used for _hard_ feces.  Our patent pertains to overcoming to obstacles of using _soft_ feces.  Thus our company name, of course."
< 1345628916 297094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the
< 1345628993 888603 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION taps his Wifi Patent Card.

< 1345629101 103364 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you actually look at Orangusoft's patent, you'll notice that your company violates claims 3 and 4, which detail the use of trained chimpanzees to throw the feces rather than doing it manually."
< 1345629118 41912 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my outburst is just that i am in a mood in real life.. i'll try watching some tv
< 1345629407 636282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am sorry but this is preposterous.  Our company uses bonobos, an entirely different species."
< 1345629719 961879 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Claim 5 covers the use of any ape as a replacement for the chimpanzees
< 1345630121 538189 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345630161 773131 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345630402 370176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345630708 994084 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BC7F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345630749 281606 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello i will like to join you guys because im a big fan and i think it will be fun tell about all scp i see in real life
< 1345630749 878187 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1345631026 964742 :nooga!~nooga@dwe98.internetdsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345631201 855060 :nooga!~nooga@dwe98.internetdsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345631858 315619 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345631921 29730 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345632079 838415 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1345632111 177051 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345632184 758058 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345633025 242081 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345633077 954417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1345633112 148348 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about 16 percent of papers in the leading CA conference are ours this year. such a popular field :D
< 1345633140 382663 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's two conferences in one because both were so small.
< 1345633164 666960 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's up
< 1345633209 18115 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :great topic
< 1345633575 70090 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-78-30-101-81.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345633617 830555 :nooga!~nooga@dwe98.internetdsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1345634032 170912 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-117.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345634382 438258 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:34 < kmc> paging nortti // What?
< 1345634577 578115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Gregor commented that the problem with the "EMACS -> Eighty Megs And Constantly Swapping" expansion is that 80 megs is "nothing" now.
< 1345634589 436652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I think kmc was hoping you'd disagree.
< 1345634605 497023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though the acronym was "eight" when I heard it.)
< 1345634605 912976 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti would, yes.
< 1345634608 75829 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :80 megs it _much_
< 1345634609 396073 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nortti is nutty.
< 1345634633 795348 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a lot
< 1345634649 374524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric: may contain nuts.
< 1345634655 90148 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1345634815 136180 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my opinion even a _single_ bit is quite a bit of memory.
< 1345634856 768379 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every biiiiiiit is preeeeeecious!
< 1345634861 361886 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every biiiiiiit is gooooooood!
< 1345635079 539827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoh, the DS apparently has a memory-mapped hardware div/rem (64-bit in/out) and sqrt (64-to-32) things. Fancy.
< 1345635144 135689 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1345635951 987682 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345636345 965536 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-153-105.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345636476 463444 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-153-105.as43234.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1345636661 126713 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1345636831 733930 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345636850 209127 :MoALTz!~no@92.2.129.94 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345637784 923698 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345637846 980104 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Where do babies come from? Well, when a man and a woman love each other very much [REDACTED] and then the mommy says 'Oooh, I've never seen one so big!' [REDACTED] seven dwarves, but not those seven dwarves, that'd be silly, [REDACTED] which is the exact moment your uncle Steve comes out from behind the camera [REDACTED] 17 monkeys, three camels, and a VERY frisky otter [REDACTED] which kind of makes sense, considering your hair color [REDAC
< 1345637847 168878 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TED] dirty, dirty, dirty whore [REDACTED] "It'll never fit!" [REDACTED] and then, nine months later, with your mother cussing the entire time, and plotting your eventual devise, bam, a baby is adopted from an Asian country by two happy lesbians."
< 1345637870 444459 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BC7F.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345637992 525944 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1345638084 755473 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is JVM actually that slow?  i mean, what are you going on here
< 1345638146 758543 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think elliott saying he wouldn't use an esolang implementation written in Clojure affected me to perhaps an extreme degree
< 1345638738 704412 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Babies are made in China?
< 1345638813 894536 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So you write the two values to memory and read back the result?
< 1345638820 35004 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1345639289 911943 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345639819 785189 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_triggered_architecture
< 1345640165 757106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yes. And then there's a mode/status reg that can be asked for if it's busy or what.
< 1345641259 991290 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345643065 490558 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by PO
< 1345643754 331306 :MoALTz!~no@92.2.129.94 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1345644289 84932 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik Sun/Oracle JVM is one of the faster implementations of any managed language
< 1345644294 433558 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shootout agrees fwiw
< 1345644295 143434 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/which-programming-languages-are-fastest.php
< 1345644375 233714 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have LuaJIT :/
< 1345644595 990878 :c0rt3x!~c0rt3x@p579E83B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345644597 788494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, people have been paid real money (not just Monopoly dollars) to worry about the efficiency of that JVM, it ought to have done something.
< 1345644604 435728 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1345644609 59716 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of people over decades
< 1345644828 439447 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1345645237 115395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you see the machine doing something with dazzling speed, it's probably the built-in machine language doing it."
< 1345645262 258197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Random youtube clicking took me to a two-hour C64 introduction video.)
< 1345645456 209282 :asiekierka!~asie@078088168088.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345645843 609733 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345646006 563167 :asiekierka!~asie@078088168088.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345646686 308685 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i finally got around to watching _The Social NetworK_
< 1345647162 961265 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-117.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1345647205 826127 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't have to
< 1345647249 915040 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Commodore 64 isn't that complicated
< 1345647797 216665 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the term built in machine language
< 1345648316 222491 :asiekierka!~asie@078088168088.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345648564 733981 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345648969 252278 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345649224 12901 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345649244 736014 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345649453 888820 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345650300 393175 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345650428 555692 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Suggesting it could be not built in?
< 1345650461 142578 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually this is the first time ive heard it but yes the comedy is there on many levels
< 1345650505 880121 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the degree to which machine language is "built in" varies widely
< 1345650522 778212 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example operating systems will emulate instructions which are not implemented by your particular processor
< 1345650623 224833 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The processor might have separate microcode to define what instructions there are
< 1345650647 496998 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and microcode can sometimes be re-flashed
< 1345650663 502251 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :freefall, basically kmc has got my back to protect me from saying things which aren't true
< 1345650666 150968 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The N64 had changeable microcode for the graphics
< 1345650686 751710 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i could never accomplish such a feat
< 1345650697 533589 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most developers didn't make use of it
< 1345650703 355929 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could do some great things with it
< 1345650718 10306 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most emulators won't emulate it though
< 1345650724 741169 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could you do?
< 1345650738 540791 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :emulation is so bad ass
< 1345650754 737636 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has all the drawbacks of reality too
< 1345650784 717275 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being clever, you could create graphics that would outdo the Playstation
< 1345650793 497422 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20 have you used the debian/ubuntu magic qemulated chroots
< 1345650795 503385 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like trying to play videogames in hell (not that i believe in hell in that sense)
< 1345650820 852786 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty slick
< 1345650823 118975 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like.. ok the graphics look perfect.. the framerate is fine... but.. oh no.. i just tried to save and the emulator died
< 1345650830 797794 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no you're just talking about video games
< 1345650835 569536 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curse you.... foul... demon!
< 1345650854 120302 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i always live in the shadows of the wonderful things
< 1345650874 260599 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg.. in programming languages i cant see beyond c++ and visual basic
< 1345650885 161308 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but C++ is fascinating!
< 1345650887 699595 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in math i can't see beyond middleschool math homework
< 1345650892 392642 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is a big ball of mud
< 1345650897 26165 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not actually
< 1345650903 45875 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in emulation i can't see past video games
< 1345650925 969888 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The N64 graphics chip allowed you to reprogram basically everything about it
< 1345650931 647638 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345650933 679066 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is a bad language, but it's bad in almost the opposite way of most bad languages
< 1345650938 327585 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess i enjoy knowing theres more to things than i am aware of
< 1345650956 923778 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is bad because it is a whole load of good elements mixed together
< 1345650962 954896 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't really know it
< 1345650970 695588 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in *theory*, all the C++ features fit together perfectly to form something that's powerful, conceptually consistent, elegant, and very unusual
< 1345650975 696392 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most bad languages are just a whole load of bad elements
< 1345650978 658636 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you really learn the language well, you start to see that
< 1345650984 345098 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. so its kind of the communism of programming languages?
< 1345650994 801595 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, in *practice*, this amazing edifice they've built just kinda sucks for getting anything done
< 1345651006 171825 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like PHP where idiots have just been adding features willy nilly
< 1345651013 766094 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C++ designers put a *lot* of thought in
< 1345651021 136260 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice most people aren't smart enough to make full use of C++
< 1345651021 543739 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345651034 983792 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not smart enough, and/or don't have years of their life to waste on learning it
< 1345651047 88017 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too
< 1345651052 246372 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of similarities between C++ and Haskell
< 1345651060 226169 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with respect to the above
< 1345651062 456877 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. c++ isn't good for people who read language standards
< 1345651076 760137 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its apparently too big
< 1345651111 693329 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so real world projects end up using haphazardly chosen subsets of C++
< 1345651128 143561 :asiekierka!~asie@078088168088.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1345651128 295213 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people approach it as "C with stuff grafted on"
< 1345651154 617159 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell seems simpler than C++ to me
< 1345651156 834650 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is a lot *less* elegant than what C++ was intended to be
< 1345651163 445302 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe also better for getting stuff done
< 1345651164 787410 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall theres some test suite for C which has the name 9000 in it's name
< 1345651219 541865 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ would be better if it didn't start out with a C base, but it also would be less popular
< 1345651235 728447 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not
< 1345651261 463133 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yeah
< 1345651271 109575 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the avoidable ugliness is syntactic ugliness relating to that choice
< 1345651292 113525 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could have just specified an interface to C without making it take over the language
< 1345651300 176680 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every other popular language has a way to call C
< 1345651314 879695 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i recall now
< 1345651322 807692 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fruit fucker 9000
< 1345651326 747659 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was something to do with undefined behavior
< 1345651354 669960 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh death station 9000
< 1345651389 626469 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the existence of such things suggests that people have a grip on C
< 1345651456 567396 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if theres elements in truth in what im saying, i should stop. i know im bullshitting
< 1345651463 658854 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it
< 1345651558 629 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I understand, you can only use $ with functions that take multiple arguments if the whole thing is in brackets or if the $ is before the last argument?
< 1345651595 792865 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So   atan2 $ something something   won't work
< 1345651610 400206 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, talking about Haskell
< 1345651677 504778 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If ($)’s fixity was fixed (no pun inteded) one could use atan2 $ a $ b. Well, using $ with atan2 is horrible, but it would be useful in longer expressions where the parameters are on separate lines.
< 1345651683 7431 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> atan2 $ negate 3
< 1345651684 504166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a)
< 1345651684 668103 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `...
< 1345651688 789820 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it lambdabot
< 1345651693 749033 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :die in a fire and burn in hell
< 1345651772 214261 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> atan2 3 $ negate 3
< 1345651773 76554 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: every function takes exactly one argument
< 1345651773 417121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.356194490192345
< 1345651781 368162 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no "functions that take multiple arguments"
< 1345651793 888145 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rule you stated seems messy, it's better to focus on what's actually going on i think
< 1345651814 171454 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one small program i wrote once, i found that trying to use c++ as oop gave me good results
< 1345651817 436689 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm thinking, if you do atan2 $ something, you create a function
< 1345651823 403384 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = subtract $ negate 3 in f 4
< 1345651824 760620 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  7
< 1345651840 886798 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can't call it with your next argument without () or using let like you did
< 1345651842 784236 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t atan2 $ ?x
< 1345651844 157636 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (RealFloat a, ?x::a) => a -> a
< 1345651869 71665 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ($) = (Prelude.$); infixl 0 $ in atan2 $ 4 $ 5
< 1345651869 614883 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a true fact FreeFull
< 1345651870 327117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0.6747409422235527
< 1345651882 348345 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well there are some other ways to name something, besides let)
< 1345651882 494438 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe people who are highly experienced at coding, like having their 10,000 hours, can just read code easily
< 1345651897 515783 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: what an outrageous claim
< 1345651929 931092 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sin . atan2 3 $ 3
< 1345651933 91609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0.7071067811865475
< 1345651933 909122 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that reading code and seeing what it is doing is incredibly difficult
< 1345651953 575793 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Depends on how it was coded
< 1345651967 121298 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the most novice level, sure i can read the identifiers and infer from them what the code is doing
< 1345651986 872115 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, relying on identifiers is surely bad
< 1345651996 184528 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you see puts("Hello, World!");
< 1345651999 593690 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel i rely on identifiers
< 1345652005 792979 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can identify what that does quickly, right?
< 1345652016 305600 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1345652062 28125 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about show 'H':'e':'l':'l':'o':[]
< 1345652117 210510 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am relying on the alphabetical characters to tell me what is happening which is.... showHello
< 1345652139 668931 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess.. i am not quite that desperate.. i know 'x' is a character
< 1345652151 23015 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you see something like A385BB35
< 1345652168 368772 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you going to know what it does without understanding what the identifiers mean
< 1345652193 776370 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A3 could be add, subtract, or even pop from stack
< 1345652259 439126 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always about using your current knowledge, and if you don't know enough, learning more
< 1345652340 618880 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess thats the fun thing about esolangs
< 1345652345 760539 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they rarely have identifiers
< 1345652365 2053 :c0rt3x2!~c0rt3x@dialin-212-144-082-054.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345652380 743566 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :among all the other fun things about esolangs
< 1345652397 403152 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you encounter something which has nothing to do with anything you learned before, no amount of being super awesome will help, you just have to look at the documentation
< 1345652438 204994 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or look at the code
< 1345652456 976750 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: they rarely have identifiers because almost all of them are brainfuck clones
< 1345652459 884317 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1345652517 44048 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck clones or a stack-based language
< 1345652538 444923 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although "stack based" is a wide category
< 1345652544 953748 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funges are technically stack-based
< 1345652548 503319 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1345652555 630767 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But certainly not your usual language
< 1345652558 997347 :c0rt3x!~c0rt3x@p579E83B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1345652568 937963 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't that many lisp clones when I think about it
< 1345652581 137440 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :They tend to be called lisp dialects
< 1345652587 121237 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you make an eso-lisp?
< 1345652594 445691 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there are a few on the wiki
< 1345652599 553625 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would get rid of all the ()
< 1345652605 973762 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i got a psp and a ds recently... and homebrewing hardware.. and at some point i thought wow this is really cool.. emulation really has a lot of effects
< 1345652623 68652 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, it always seems to have drawbacks.. it's never quite there
< 1345652624 571055 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: good luck using if with that
< 1345652631 205024 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tried)
< 1345652654 515995 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its always a work in progress project waiting to curl up and die
< 1345652655 336800 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Lisp uses prefix syntax anyway
< 1345652674 344549 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only issue is where you can have an arbitrary amount of parameters, or possibly with macros
< 1345652683 398827 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yes but how you know how many params function needs?
< 1345652686 572218 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new hardware and new hacks get released and suddenly its wasteful to fix a broken emulator
< 1345652801 506984 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: If it's something like + or *, it can have an arbitrary number of parameters, so you could either restrict them to 2 parameters or have the first parameters be the number of parameters afterwards
< 1345652823 392132 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most functions have a fixed number of parameters
< 1345652849 21371 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with a lambda you know how many parameters there are too, since that gets specified
< 1345652877 372038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345652886 721756 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345652937 954600 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :An example lambda would be    lambda list 3 'x 'y 'z * x * y z
< 1345652947 446645 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lambda here expects two parameters
< 1345652999 743983 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And produces a function which expects three parameters
< 1345653013 863883 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda list 3 'x 'y 'z * x * y z 1 2 3     should print 6
< 1345653024 340235 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit it's not very readable though
< 1345653044 11487 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can always split stuff into smaller chunks though
< 1345653085 793275 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :defun multiply3 qlist 3 x y z * x * y z; multiply3 1 2 3
< 1345653091 177315 :asiekierka!~asie@078088168088.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345653112 870768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a SRFI that adds "I-expressions", an indentation-based way of writing S-expressions. You can also mix-n-match. Though I think it was withdrawn, maybe.
< 1345653139 285138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it wasn't.
< 1345653141 729977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, anyway.
< 1345653143 197799 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have a preprocessor that converts   (x y z) into list 3 x y z     and '(x y z) into qlist 3 x y z
< 1345653171 315325 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how do I write (foo (bar)(baz)) in I-expressions
< 1345653329 285628 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: in scheme you can make a lambda which takes an arbitrary number of arguments
< 1345653353 390981 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would have to restrict / change that ability as well
< 1345653383 324271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: "foo\n group bar\n group baz" I think. There's a special "group" symbol to support lists whose first element is a list. Plain "foo\n bar\n baz" would have been (foo bar baz).
< 1345653396 437165 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You'd need to have the caller pass in the number of arguments
< 1345653508 62203 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, apparently in lisp (*) is equivalent to 1 and (+) to 0
< 1345653521 211059 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1345653537 152596 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could get rid of digits altogether
< 1345653575 382201 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And create all numbers using (*) (/) (+) (-)
< 1345653598 991278 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1345653608 479197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme, too. And (- x) is (- 0 x), while (/ x) is (/ 1 x). But the >2-argument extensions of - and / are optional.
< 1345653634 836085 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1345653675 454875 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345653705 905381 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Haskell have a way to produce a number without using any digits?
< 1345653735 63938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "!!!"
< 1345653736 523469 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3
< 1345653738 628637 :c0rt3x2!~c0rt3x@dialin-212-144-082-054.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de
< 1345653741 531468 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works
< 1345653743 595050 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Integer
< 1345653744 632698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Enum.Bounded GHC.Integer.Type.Integer)
< 1345653744 800606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from...
< 1345653749 241301 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Int  -- duh
< 1345653750 387949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  9223372036854775807
< 1345653755 453861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the Lisp (*) (+) just multiply and add any number of arguments? If so then it makes sense that (*) would be 1 and (+) would be zero
< 1345653758 799561 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about without using lists either?
< 1345653761 673751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes.
< 1345653798 824325 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you use maxBound to produce numbers smaller than maxBound itself?
< 1345653806 224167 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fromEnum 'a'
< 1345653806 697368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's quite a few different maxBounds.
< 1345653807 430943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  97
< 1345653813 754848 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I know
< 1345653817 709774 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Divide it by itself
< 1345653820 846331 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> minBound :: Word8
< 1345653821 875603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0
< 1345653843 975475 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ . minBound :: Word8
< 1345653845 145033 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Word.Word8'
< 1345653845 325814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type...
< 1345653847 911948 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ minBound :: Word8
< 1345653849 103952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1345653864 953122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [fromEnum False, fromEnum True]
< 1345653866 465886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [0,1]
< 1345653876 935978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are quite easy 0 and 1 there.
< 1345653893 588545 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (maxBound :: Int) `div` (maxBound :: Int)
< 1345653894 936917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1345653905 278329 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :succ works too
< 1345653910 765541 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join div maxBound
< 1345653912 311568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints:
< 1345653912 513287 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   `GHC.Enum.Bounded a'
< 1345653912 659359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   ...
< 1345653914 891282 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join div maxBound :: Int
< 1345653916 127021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1345653944 473743 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (join (-) . join div) maxBound :: Int
< 1345653946 710873 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0
< 1345653950 847504 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is join part of?
< 1345653962 773908 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type join
< 1345653964 86937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => m (m a) -> m a
< 1345653976 54585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of Control.Monad if you mean where it's from.
< 1345653976 200543 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where m ~ ((->) r)
< 1345653992 363953 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what I meant
< 1345654076 307406 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-89.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345654138 81701 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (sum [], product [])
< 1345654139 473959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (0,1)
< 1345654883 562853 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but that uses lists =P
< 1345655235 193578 :asiekierka!~asie@078088168088.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1345655554 652456 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@161.113.4.249 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345655558 107728 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@161.113.4.249 QUIT :Changing host
< 1345655558 253852 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345656150 133943 :asiekierka!~asie@078088168088.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345656649 89031 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@161.113.4.249 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345656660 982317 :asiekierka!~asie@078088168088.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345656715 262313 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@161.113.4.249 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1345656800 891233 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657074 534173 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657074 709806 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657075 959638 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657075 959859 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hfktctoiclygapqb QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657075 959943 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657076 106418 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657076 106585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657076 106665 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657076 106743 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657076 106969 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657076 107044 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657076 107342 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-78-30-101-81.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657076 107478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657076 107555 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657076 107706 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657076 107900 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657076 254513 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657076 254682 :nortti|!nortti@ie.freebnc.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657076 254761 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657076 254838 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657076 470059 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657076 470219 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657076 769131 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-147-49.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657077 20872 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657077 21029 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657077 21355 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657077 21616 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657077 241222 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657077 457387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657077 715253 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657077 715381 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657077 715445 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657078 180182 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657078 180428 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657078 180506 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657078 396131 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657080 155471 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657080 155643 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657080 301648 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657080 301809 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657104 125422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657104 272666 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657104 272776 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657128 827260 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-78-30-101-81.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657128 973494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657128 973585 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657139 228548 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657139 374592 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657139 374763 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657139 374843 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657139 374923 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657187 536171 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657197 24755 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@161.113.4.249 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657198 185810 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-147-49.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657198 331870 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657198 332044 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657198 332134 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657198 817888 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657199 2498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657199 2688 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657199 2769 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657199 2851 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657199 2929 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657205 4942 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657205 157079 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657205 157256 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657237 658507 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657241 468564 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657246 882326 :sivoais_!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657247 29330 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657247 29481 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657247 29563 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657247 29639 :nortti|!nortti@ie.freebnc.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657247 29716 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657247 29790 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657247 29866 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657498 342218 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657498 640545 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657498 824200 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345657519 41542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657519 187704 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657519 187833 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657654 506722 :sivoais_!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1345657679 551012 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657684 136549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345657708 942728 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657762 198994 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that netsplit made me learn something interesting: I'm on IPv6.
< 1345657804 388485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have not known that before?
< 1345657890 935768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how did the netsplit suddenly reveal it? 
< 1345657892 403357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a computer's optical drive be sound-proofed?
< 1345657900 306830 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it never dawned on me before. I usually connect to IRC in the morning before I had any coffee, so details like that tend to go unnoticed.
< 1345657936 929886 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: because weechat shows the user@ip of persons that join/part.
< 1345657939 542428 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345657948 398816 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: --> | cuttlefish (~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765) a rejoint #esoteric
< 1345658009 863644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so it was someone "else's" rejoining.
< 1345658039 608783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I am the champion of the BBS boxing game
< 1345658076 892691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was 11th and am now champion)
< 1345658087 449343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a prize? 
< 1345658135 698500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so.
< 1345658173 573919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the (now defunct) BBS system of a Finnish computer magazine, there was a "60 minutes per day" time limit, but you could win extra minutes in some of the games. (Though not in the "regular" games like LORD, I don't think; there was some lottery-like thing though where you could "pay" with minutes, and win minutes.)
< 1345658176 96439 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go zzo38 
< 1345658200 859519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is X-BIT and it was defunct and one time but now it is back on.
< 1345658236 569650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There was also a "time bank" that went up to... 240 minutes, maybe? Officially for long downloads. Can't get much more than a megabyte in an hour, after all.)
< 1345658248 163492 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1345658280 356029 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345658428 180879 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345658455 667180 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345658669 80473 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BC7F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345658892 610095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need to download something you could use FTP; Synchronet does support a lot of protocols (Telnet, SSH, rlogin, FTP, HTTP, gopher, IRC, NNTP, SMTP, POP3, ...)
< 1345659017 98516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer magazine did make the file archives available over... at least HTTP and I think FTP too, later, when the Internet really came along. (They also offered a dial-up Internet connection, IIRC.)
< 1345659129 940691 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Stripe web security CTF thingy starts at the end of the hour
< 1345659140 600928 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you're in one of those weird non-integral-GMT-offset timezones)
< 1345659147 500468 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://stripe.com/blog
< 1345659196 133701 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: MBnet!?
< 1345659203 21524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: Sure.
< 1345659223 105464 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I used it exactly once
< 1345659238 788336 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had telnet access in the later years, right?
< 1345659246 495801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did, yes.
< 1345659253 82026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SModem-based "chat and download at the same thing" was, like, so futuristic.
< 1345659261 510504 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I borrowed the user ID off a library copy of the magazine.
< 1345659261 730434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SModem itself is a Finnish invention, I think.
< 1345659313 161978 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh it's pretty trivial to do if you just come up with a simple protocol on top of the raw teletype data
< 1345659327 797930 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345659331 465260 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that it took so long to invent says something about the laziness of BBS people.
< 1345659334 759927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but ZModem and the rest didn't do it.
< 1345659337 874692 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or reluctance to change
< 1345659355 694766 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345659366 928498 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345659400 979848 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session QUIT :Changing host
< 1345659401 125854 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uzfyzqsasxbpvrim JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345659415 937878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also not completely trivial; at least ZModem isn't, I don't know about SModem. (There's a TCP-like sliding window ack thing and such.)
< 1345659426 186911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telnet is the main protocol to access any modern Synchronet BBS, although there are other protocols too which may be enabled/disabled on some BBS. (Telnet can also be disabled although that would seem pretty useless.)
< 1345659467 898549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well now we have internet, so you don't need that SModem if you can just make multiple connections, one to Telnet and one to FTP, or something like that
< 1345659485 785743 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-157-125.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345659602 35355 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :T R I V I A L
< 1345659662 292827 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-89.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1345659741 201392 :asiekierka!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345659749 296177 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ever happened to the word "easy", anyway
< 1345659757 461853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was too easy.
< 1345659765 756895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is it too short for some people?
< 1345659771 984504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially long people?
< 1345659776 517257 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like
< 1345659902 698275 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-139-13.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345659979 263350 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried in Haskell to make something like the Free monad but specify a monad transformer instead of a functor, so you could have (TransFree Codensity) and so on; (TransFree (ReaderT x)) seem to be similar like (Free ((->) x)) I think but some are different. What would you think of it?
< 1345660067 109031 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-157-125.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345660224 900146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :data TransFree t x = TransPure x | TransFree (t (TransFree t) x); join (TransFree x) = TransFree (x >>= lift);
< 1345660273 655710 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-139-13.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1345660293 327586 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-139-13.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345660332 479798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :data TransCofree t x = TransCofree x (t (TransCofree t) x); duplicate (TransCofree x y) = TransCofree (TransCofree x y) (y =>> lower);
< 1345660639 747396 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345660804 448950 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345660831 542667 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345661347 722703 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think trivial and easy mean different things ... something can be trivial but require loads of work, for instance
< 1345661388 394496 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but trivial is nicer because it points out how stupid someone is for not knowing that something is trivial
< 1345661396 167943 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1345661401 758855 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me it's become just a douchebag version of "easy"
< 1345661421 613636 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't like it when people describe conceptually simple but difficult-to-do things as "trivial"
< 1345661453 353468 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i think "trivial" should mean "so incredibly simple that there isn't anything to say about it at all"
< 1345661467 5730 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when people say "trivial 100-line script" or "trivial one day project" it sounds like an absurd contradiction
< 1345661471 463080 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who am i to say what words should mean
< 1345661509 13909 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would be happy with the description of many programming tasks as "mathematically trivial" but that does not make them trivial to implement :)
< 1345661545 878627 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting psyched for this CTF
< 1345661580 237409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally only use "trivial" when talking about mathematics, using in the way it is used in mathematics
< 1345661591 460270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as a "trivial ring" or whatever
< 1345661644 445536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in other words just because something is easy does not necessarily make it trivial, and vice versa
< 1345661910 721817 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1345662084 659602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Looks like step 1 of the CTF is to DDoS their website. :-(
< 1345662112 458836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, or maybe my connection was just being problematic.
< 1345662286 541849 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-139-13.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1345663427 307081 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1345664263 268244 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345664624 227836 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTF?
< 1345664790 638108 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://stripe-ctf.com
< 1345664881 234174 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345665341 421171 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@161.113.4.249 NICK :NEEDMOAR
< 1345665349 639215 :NEEDMOAR!~copumpkin@161.113.4.249 NICK :copumpkin
< 1345665477 563446 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :
< 1345665840 310928 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345665884 979432 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to write a quine in Mouse

< 1345665967 747886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Bah, frustrating.
< 1345666120 147511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: What did you try so far?
< 1345666146 195501 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1345666324 615499 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what a Haskell quine looks like
< 1345666327 981728 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks it up

< 1345666362 479482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap(++)show"ap(++)show"
< 1345666364 379627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "ap(++)show\"ap(++)show\""
< 1345666421 570576 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: #f;34!'#f;34!'64!'$ f"#f;34!'#f;34!'64!'$ f"@
< 1345666457 218935 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it almost works, apart from ! in a string is converted to a newline :-(
< 1345666458 516112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is one way to make a Haskell quine, without I/O. But the other way would be to do with I/O.
< 1345666481 363622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Oops! Try without ! then?
< 1345666488 190420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :putStrLn$ap(++)show"putStrLn$ap(++)show"
< 1345666520 684227 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It need ! because !' is the code to output a character
< 1345666540 386707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And then put   main=   to make it a entire program
< 1345666557 562660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Maybe you need    33!'   to make a exclamation mark output?
< 1345666571 228781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that work?
< 1345666603 400782 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's what I'm trying, but it makes things even uglier!
< 1345666623 837014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably you have to anyways
< 1345666703 507043 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing beats a sh quine
< 1345666706 487524 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is an empty file
< 1345666732 918510 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also a C quine, for some dialects of C
< 1345666745 958808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you have to make the quine program which is not empty file
< 1345667067 660260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In many programming language the empty program will also make no output ending successfully: Brainfuck, BASIC, INTERCAL, Forth, JavaScript, PHP, Perl, probably some others too. But, C, Haskell, they won't compile empty file.
< 1345668096 894402 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@161.113.4.249 QUIT :Changing host
< 1345668097 40518 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345668123 64410 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 NICK :Guest1458
< 1345668209 321273 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1345668241 212828 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345668636 990051 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the empty program is a polyglot?
< 1345668653 401102 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1345668675 505656 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shortest polyglot
< 1345668738 521148 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host
< 1345668738 667658 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345668783 986147 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a quine too in most cases probably
< 1345669000 786449 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can star trek enterprise have worse special effects than DS9?
< 1345669346 912310 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I never thought DS9's effects looked all that bad TbH.
< 1345669364 302868 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the point is that enterprise has worse effects
< 1345669405 359673 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and DS9 was randomly chosen because the first ENT episode had shape shifters
< 1345669425 758278 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't tell me they were Changelings.
< 1345669442 721262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345669472 205342 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they were sulivan or somesuch
< 1345669477 969713 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc they never appear again
< 1345669545 865006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DualShock 9.
< 1345669596 142021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :May contain nuts | elliott now constructible with compass and ruler | come to think of it, he was last year too, and the previous.  but not the next | Just a remote control and some old gum | atriq is Taneb, just so you know | except this | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1345669600 883823 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that would just be a flat, controller-shaped touchscreen though.
< 1345669619 801523 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, there was only 2 years between DS9 and Enterprise... and Odo was a major character that they could spend some money getting right
< 1345669652 514889 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :playstation 9.  teleport yours today.
< 1345669676 666337 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the temporal console wars
< 1345669690 56097 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, there were 9 years between the first season of DS9 and Enterprise, though.
< 1345669695 844917 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1345669707 859932 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Odo looked pretty decent even then.
< 1345669735 797335 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe enterprise is just a lot cheaper?
< 1345669768 549709 :nooga!~nooga@dwe98.internetdsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345669785 462526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: welcome to our complex plane
< 1345669789 511050 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's set like 200 years earlier so maybe it was before the changelings had developed convincing morph animations
< 1345669812 827282 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-78-30-101-81.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1345669855 921688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Every biiiiiiit is preeeeeecious! <-- if a bit is wasted...
< 1345669870 10696 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :another random note about enterprise: they actually mention curing cancer, I wonder if they mention cancer in any of the other series
< 1345669935 555277 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seemed to be considered trivial there ... not that star trek should care about that, but I think that cancer will never be quite trivial
< 1345669949 780908 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not, that would make the Federation something other than a perfect utopia where nothing goes wrong.
< 1345669991 134701 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's so trivial they have forgotten that it existed at all, like us and yersina pestis
< 1345670004 147959 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems almost impossible to cure all forms of cancer
< 1345670012 201063 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like an inevitable failure mode of self-reproducing systems
< 1345670034 16016 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we know that breast cancer has become a thing of the past by the time of memory alpha's writing
< 1345670035 526168 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can prevent the most common instances of that failure mode
< 1345670105 417351 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: speaking of complex plane, is there a UTF that involves complex numbers?
< 1345670137 580651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: UTF-i, but it's imaginary.
< 1345670139 957201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1345670225 151250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: Babies are made in China? <-- why would babies be the exception?
< 1345670313 121331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of babies, should I have some sort of a birth certificate of myself? Do people normally bother to own a copy? I mean, non-Presidents and so on.
< 1345670358 573775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've seen mine, so it's presumably somewhere
< 1345670367 268442 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they only did the whole crtificate business in the US
< 1345670387 217362 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have them in the UK too, I think.
< 1345670387 377583 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put my trust the almighty government database
< 1345670399 834247 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in a computer somewhere, I must be
< 1345670443 51239 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :birth certificates are kinda useless, without any photo or other biometric data that can link the paper to you...
< 1345670443 830180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've seen mine, but there's a reasonable possibility my mother has some kind of paper.
< 1345670716 520459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's some kind of an extract you can get from the Population Register Centre that can sort of serve if someone abroad requires a "birth certificate".
< 1345670738 611823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll let the Database take care of it.
< 1345670873 670973 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, if I'm correct about which document somehow corresponds to a birth certificate, I have seen it
< 1345670963 564768 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just enter your personal number and they mail a copy to you
< 1345670993 124870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The extract I mentioned costs 5 eur, so I don't think I'll bother getting a copy.
< 1345671000 707230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can lose it just as well without my help.
< 1345671009 905050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall it had my birth time on it.  20 something, but i've forgotten the minutes.  useful for getting a horoscope.
< 1345671033 745891 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know or remember what time it was, but I know that it was snowing
< 1345671036 733715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that'd be "useful". I've heard my time, but I can't remember it at all.
< 1345671078 337497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you just say that because you're a capricorn.
< 1345671105 82094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm one of those.
< 1345671125 96423 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O youtube now only shows my stuff that has been shared to me on google+
< 1345671149 61007 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of that "stuff you're likely to like" thing they used to do
< 1345671209 823902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm a pig, though.
< 1345671215 379223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that Chinese thing.
< 1345671216 527280 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are indeed
< 1345671461 535218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it that quite often these days I get "An error occurred. Please try again later." from youtube, either at start or just randomly in the middle of a video? (At least tha animated static behind the message is very nice.)
< 1345671470 953752 :asiekierka!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1345671531 917855 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the command to get fungot's source again
< 1345671532 150906 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that corn flakes were originally intended to discourage masturbation?
< 1345671532 969020 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: try 2 hav sm slep. din me nahi so payegi tu to 3 ko jana n waha pe links of ur competitor's sites to take it to god in prayer. b is an average i think...
< 1345671544 475454 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: help
< 1345671545 203132 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: ya. exam over le... lol...
< 1345671548 730635 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp
< 1345671553 737219 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1345671554 289499 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98
< 1345671559 681609 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1345671566 429645 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks.
< 1345671566 626261 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot uses ^ as a prefix
< 1345671567 751338 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: shal i tel u d way u lik. sry for the late reply. was giving tuition. dinner very short onela, but nvm i rmb to send me a virtual hug? school got so much love. confirm nice one. there. emulsified.
< 1345671587 655594 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there. emulsified.
< 1345671588 113952 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'tis down!
< 1345671640 585576 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345671661 598192 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio- summoned me here
< 1345671667 784637 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greetings
< 1345671674 476163 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345671687 616448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: It'll get fixed as soon as the box sends a DHCP renew request the next time. (I *really* should puzzle out what on earth is up with that.)
< 1345671724 381253 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I get the same thing with my home cable connection.
< 1345671746 651889 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I've been able to discern (it only does it randomly something like once a week so it's a bit hard to track down),
< 1345671763 218620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: This thing stays connectable-from-the-outside-world about 20-30 minutes, then things just... stop. And everything starts working perfectly right after the dhcp-renew.
< 1345671763 738134 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It cuts the connection for just a few seconds and the DHCP lease also goes instantly stale.
< 1345671779 334187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't make a difference for connections from the inside out, though.
< 1345671780 591181 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1345671780 737328 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A renew fixes it.
< 1345671791 849146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can reach the Internet just fine; it's just that the Internet can't reach me.
< 1345671808 576047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And another computer in the same switch is having no problems whatsoever, even though both have the same dhclient and etc.
< 1345671810 105629 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine just drops off the Internet completely.
< 1345671815 98396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinda bizarre.
< 1345671822 437885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, in the meanwhile, fungot source: http://sprunge.us/hGRJ
< 1345671823 61988 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dnt u tel ur feelngs 2 hr session. lol
< 1345671843 620127 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cryovat: Check it out
< 1345671863 561214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: And you stop speaking like a SMS-age teenager, please.
< 1345671864 378327 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hw to send dis to al ur"valued frnds. always laughing is too simple... winning is tooo. haha meet at tpy first rply me i m cmng n bike one la i'm going school earlier to buybubble tea up his whole house... y da... gud nt
< 1345671901 82265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I want to know.
< 1345671915 551472 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1345671916 14658 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms* speeches ss wp youtube
< 1345671920 689355 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style speeches
< 1345671921 163559 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: speeches (misc. speeches from Project Gutenberg)
< 1345671927 770549 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: speech!
< 1345671928 783308 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: moral effects of. what you say may have far-reaching effects, hence the importance of careful forethought in the planning and preparation of your speeches.
< 1345671969 167612 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: speech!
< 1345671969 681905 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i only allude to mr. fnord
< 1345672053 203706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, best not to do more than allude
< 1345672076 131002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the books of "speeches" might actually be books about how to write speeches.
< 1345672089 387429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just grepped the gutenberg database for "speech".
< 1345672102 280255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s peachy
< 1345672130 508350 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's terrifying
< 1345672191 452930 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Have you tried switching the ports the computers are connected to
< 1345672208 673938 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1345672210 378710 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: thus much is certain: that the ages in which the true principles of philosophy were least understood were those in which taste has been most correct. it seems, a way of walking, a way as possible, into their elements, that he cannot know whether it is a very strange thing, and he examined it intently. " my wife has some relations in the presbyterian churches, and theatres, had found an asylum in the obscure dwelling w
< 1345672258 52791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Nnno, but it sounds very unlikely to do a thing. I mean, it's a very non-intelligent switch, non-manageable and so on. And it's specifically the DHCP renewal that fixes it; random (successful) traffic out doesn't help.
< 1345672305 673338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll need to verify the outgoing-connections thing, though, since that's an equally weird thing to work.
< 1345672377 540566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there was a DHCPREQUEST + DHCPACK five minutes ago, so I think it's working at the moment.
< 1345672735 920145 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.stephenfrysmoustache.com/
< 1345672845 323758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION calls it a day

< 1345672923 837909 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling it a day only 45 seconds in? that's giving up a tad early
< 1345672969 835774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "it" refers to the previous day, obviously
< 1345673364 427111 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345673547 778380 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1345673560 551543 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345674823 685649 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have   if(Y=='#') A++; if(Y=='!') A--;   then you could also do the same as    if(Y>='#') A++; if(Y<='!') A--;    and according some document that CPY should set the carry flag if greater or equal, then ADC add 1 if carry flag is set. Does GCC or LLVM have any kind of optimizations such as these?
< 1345675346 936461 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Y guaranteed to be either # or !
< 1345675349 178530 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it's 'a'
< 1345675658 485003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is guaranteed to be either '#' or '!' then it works.
< 1345675684 664685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it could also be '"' and still works.
< 1345675755 36169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM does have a range metadata to indicate the range of a value loaded from memory.
< 1345675914 560347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['!'..'#']
< 1345675915 607415 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "!\"#"
< 1345678184 972058 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345678668 686009 :Guest1458!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 NICK :quintopia
< 1345678675 717229 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host
< 1345678675 910249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345680624 575334 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 PART :#esoteric
< 1345680944 291494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1345681535 514123 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-137-141.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345681658 358467 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-147-49.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345682172 26835 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BC7F.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345682718 531287 :nooga!~nooga@dwe98.internetdsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1345684091 470441 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :gpumpwell
< 1345684396 678710 :gpumpwell!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1345685314 839119 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if strong commutative encryption is actually possible.

< 1345685322 909342 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm asking if anyone knows, if it's not clear.)
< 1345685447 129846 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/1363/software-implementation-of-a-commutative-cipher
< 1345685449 133711 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering the same thing a few years ago actually.
< 1345685467 175740 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not strong, anymore, I guess, but it's a starting point
< 1345686560 713880 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you CTFing?
< 1345686573 824315 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone ced t f
< 1345686598 155781 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet
< 1345686621 937866 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got to the last level, then decided i've done enough for the day
< 1345686704 208031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, though I've also been distracted with other things.
< 1345686722 542590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Are we spoilering in here?)
< 1345686834 151007 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1345686856 398864 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What CTF is this?
< 1345686863 634407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :stripe-ctf.com
< 1345686893 275163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: When I got to level 4 it was down, so I downloaded the code and tried to make it work locally.
< 1345686907 248675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If my hypothesis is correct it's impossible to do locally because of an extra server-side component.
< 1345686970 893320 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, though that component is nothing special
< 1345687025 565782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure, I can emulate it myself if I know that it exists.
< 1345687068 739259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I was assuming my local copy was equivalent to the server.
< 1345687088 285811 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're exploiting a web application that has other concurrent users
< 1345687095 886100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1345687097 524885 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the download does not include an emulation of those users
< 1345687106 248905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1345687113 602456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I explicitly commented on this before the CTF started.
< 1345687138 378952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, got it.
< 1345687156 202956 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, apparently Vi Hart's father is a maths professor.
< 1345687164 583653 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... explains a good few things.
< 1345688385 743457 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is kinda fun.
< 1345690192 633920 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345690216 362489 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345690281 975632 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am addicted to the SCP wiki
< 1345690488 578079 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345690500 149821 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345691440 157193 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@c-75-72-215-30.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345691479 347016 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@c-75-72-215-30.hsd1.mn.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1345691928 739045 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, fortunately you'll burn through the good content pretty quickly.
< 1345691972 133977 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you rapidly realise that a lot of it is dreck that's either formulaic or written by people who don't get lasting horror.
< 1345692002 949777 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too often the author's thought of the trick already and gives away too much.
< 1345692076 938140 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Have you played Slender, at all?
< 1345692095 311646 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, and there is very little that will make me do so.
< 1345692126 473937 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? I downloaded it last week but I haven't run it, yet.
< 1345692138 242061 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I scare *incredibly* easily.
< 1345692193 475704 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat
< 1345692196 506850 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not sleep at all the night after first browsing the SCP wiki, or after reading some Slenderman stuff.
< 1345692215 400477 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slenderman was fascinating for a week or two.
< 1345692219 88420 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love well-done horror
< 1345692232 740094 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't stop myself from throwing reason to the wind and scaring myself shitless, which is a pity because I love well-done horror too.
< 1345692235 972008 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't show me the monster, make me fear him
< 1345692251 445066 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like alcohol but with a hangover that can linger for months I guess.
< 1345692330 976552 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst bit of it is how it draws you in. Once I get on a creepypasta kick or some kind of new horror binge, I just can't stop until I'm thoroughly tweaked
< 1345692408 441405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think SCP wiki they keep deleting too many files.
< 1345692454 220024 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's part of the horror. (but probably not)
< 1345692490 261214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, there's so much material I haven't seen before
< 1345692495 204715 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-453
< 1345692515 341307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also don't give enough detail of experiments. I have many idea of the kind of experiments but I don't tell them (they are not open enough) and even if I did, I don't think they would know how to do it; they are the most difficult kind of thought experiments.
< 1345692736 673257 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, yes, but most of it is crap.
< 1345692753 285149 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 confirmed as lovecraftian horror.
< 1345692783 950506 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, one of my favorites was deleted some time ago
< 1345692787 304936 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, have you read the various Foundation fictions BtW.
< 1345692806 779290 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a gem (a ruby I think) that needed to be suspended in mercury in a thing that rotated
< 1345692808 633168 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them are pretty good, especially the now-deleted Wanderlust.
< 1345692813 571712 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the Foundation Tales? Yeah
< 1345692818 819892 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, some of them
< 1345692829 961351 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the ruby one.
< 1345692831 13737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a new thing, A something something something, that I don't know about
< 1345692854 951411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it would destroy solid objects it was on
< 1345692893 974333 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo has obviously been reading a little too heavily on... 512? 505? Whichever it is that's impossible to remember.
< 1345692919 140594 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, also uh how did that work, was it a gradual decay process?
< 1345692941 288249 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I don't remember
< 1345692970 203926 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was found at the bottom of the sea on some shipwreck. I think it was deleted because it should have destroyed the Earth already.
< 1345692980 613893 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of fun to look through the deleted SCPs sometimes though.
< 1345692988 734841 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, s/deleted/deprecated/.
< 1345693007 703942 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because some of them were actually pretty well-known mainstays, like telekill alloy.
< 1345693334 520824 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reality scp is the military version of wikileaks
< 1345693389 830437 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i say this from a position that i don't want to read scp because of the chance it might actually be scary
< 1345693789 357545 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Are We Cool Yet?
< 1345693797 306008 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1345693825 762192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that's the A something something something I said I was unfamiliar with
< 1345693831 809695 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/groups-of-interest#toc1
< 1345693874 615872 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ten to fucking five, sgeo
< 1345693881 907072 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not following any links to scp at this hour
< 1345693907 832551 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, some of them are, some of them aren;t.
< 1345693910 88627 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't.
< 1345693992 268763 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345694831 833809 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What about tvtropes? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ButNotTooWhite
< 1345694850 5768 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover quit.
< 1345694882 880763 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345694937 560055 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. I turned join/part display off the other day due to noise, but now I just look a fool :/
< 1345695115 36955 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use something WeeChat calls a “smart filter”. It only hides those lines from users who haven’t been talking for an hour. (And you can toggle their visibility afterwards, too.)
< 1345695147 937964 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, Phantom_Hoover’s quit line is visible for me, but that’s the only one for 6 hours.
< 1345695277 636379 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's neat. I should see if there's a setting like that
< 1345695289 517489 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, time for a feature request
< 1345695319 696633 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, an hour in my settings. The default was shorter, i think.
< 1345695440 192310 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty useful
< 1345696551 141344 :asiekierka!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345696708 903833 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-128-137.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345697176 910601 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-128-137.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345697399 257544 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :
< 1345698074 458634 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345698082 908198 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1345698323 904644 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345698586 869981 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1345700179 218325 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-192.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345700233 336047 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-137-141.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345702169 355340 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345703156 566017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever used to believe anything like these?    http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=10684076#p10684076
< 1345703554 99258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once... contemplated the possibility of God acting by manipulating supposedly quantum random events
< 1345703608 78539 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is god a quantum random event?
< 1345703714 147963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Me too
< 1345703835 964732 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know there are apples and oranges, but are apples the same as oranges? :D
< 1345703875 813634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same in what way? They are made of the same atoms, protons, neutrons, electrons, etc
< 1345704005 605000 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if some things are different can all things still be the same?
< 1345704095 143926 :nooga!~nooga@dwe98.internetdsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345704283 220520 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: good question
< 1345704954 879932 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A while ago (and I still hold this to be true) I decided that at a certain level, the concept of "sameness" is just a human construct.
< 1345704995 51947 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether one object is the same object as another doesn't really make sense when parts of the object cease being parts of the object and other parts replace it
< 1345705016 238176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you step in the same (Loch) ness twice?
< 1345705057 113307 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh crap.. not a new idea
< 1345705074 167851 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i am not herodotus... i think
< 1345705233 750983 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not the same person that is
< 1345705330 724007 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not him who is called "I am"
< 1345705333 979185 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you can step in a similar ness twice
< 1345705639 842794 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345706320 102762 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345706476 933581 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345707809 281716 :BlueStarfire!~Samantha@41.174.20.39 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345707858 491810 :BlueStarfire!~Samantha@41.174.20.39 PART :#esoteric
< 1345708677 989248 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i am trying to say might be, if there is more than one member in a set that they aren't the same
< 1345708785 165801 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think that CLOS can emulate Clojure facilities easier than Clojure can emulate even some of the more basic CLOS facilies
< 1345708794 972405 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as inheritance with generic functions
< 1345709078 61383 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345709128 882833 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345709324 809810 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: What if the members of the set are the same?
< 1345709411 809113 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to forget that part
< 1345709842 320358 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we make a .NSF music where one person write the A track, and then second person can see A track and writes B track, third sees A and B and writes the C track, and so on? (AB = square wave channel, C = triangle wave channel, D = noise, etc)
< 1345709895 909180 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess in life, at some point many of us will reach a stage where we essentially accept that the outcomes of our battles are behind us, and all our fears have been tested, and we just live out our days in routine
< 1345709913 644292 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: uh, yeah
< 1345709918 539689 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLOS is very powerful
< 1345709921 378534 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure is... not
< 1345709937 397422 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh man nationstates
< 1345709939 810790 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to play that
< 1345709963 170324 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I periodically start a nation again until I grow bored and let it go inactive
< 1345709987 540940 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I did used to be impressed with Clojure's any-function multiple-dispatch, but that's fakable in CLOS via making the generic function something that the normal function just calls
< 1345710012 107152 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal function converts args into a symbol for generic function to dispatch on, and methods can use eql specializers
< 1345710081 950501 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I just play too much homestuck :/
< 1345710535 579965 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sort of like an online collaborative story thing except with music?
< 1345710574 913114 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i guess thats not quite what you meant
< 1345710615 209595 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exquisite_corpse
< 1345710781 96097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Yes it is not quite what I meant.
< 1345710794 622680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345711246 155151 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345711475 156408 :nooga!~nooga@dwe98.internetdsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1345711617 157089 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :
< 1345712402 488154 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far, advantages Common Lisp has over Clojure: Condition system, CLOS. Clojure over Common Lisp: More libraries accessible (whether or not there are more libraries idiomatic), and generally cleaner design
< 1345712406 556668 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And more functional
< 1345712553 362608 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure has stuff for concurency
< 1345712972 189172 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that too
< 1345713124 616005 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-34.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345713376 257973 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is debugging significantly harder in Clojure than Common Lisp due to .. stack trace issues and non-resumable exceptions?
< 1345713397 944777 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea, I haven't ever tried debugging any Clojure
< 1345713816 10735 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345715481 328876 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1345715543 153051 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345715549 97784 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 PART :#esoteric
< 1345716584 684426 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A73B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345717689 38607 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-192.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1345717876 130165 :asiekierka!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1345718008 879539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345718023 586662 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-142-44.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345718551 461766 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345718918 700408 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1345719439 733522 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345719471 152413 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345720986 581175 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345722924 62076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1345722966 4021 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-128-137.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345725648 893307 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345727207 999724 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-219.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345727208 331265 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-142-44.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345727427 806170 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-34.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1345727470 822282 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-34.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345727600 441572 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345727956 816826 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-34.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1345728536 855442 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-34.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345728868 874401 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-34.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1345729254 973208 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-34.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345730420 845812 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1345730453 387502 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345730822 312742 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1345731765 777359 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345731839 859536 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "except this" is now isolated :(
< 1345732203 837259 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@161.113.4.249 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345732206 189963 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345732224 726163 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@161.113.4.249 NICK :Guest61107
< 1345732240 842416 :Guest61107!~copumpkin@161.113.4.249 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1345732274 596679 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1345733093 166537 :PatrickRobotham!~chatzilla@ppp118-209-204-193.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345734354 748577 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-60.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345734959 950353 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: what's an "except this", why is it unconnected, and is it edible?
< 1345734995 236954 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two words, someone changed the topic, yes
< 1345735017 366840 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks.
< 1345735907 6658 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-33.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345735907 457378 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-219.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345736096 383934 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-60.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: begone
< 1345736233 875509 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-20-34.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345736310 997253 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-34.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1345736339 706502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345736446 459962 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :RealFlaccid
< 1345736458 205914 :RealFlaccid!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1345737342 432525 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :asspirate
< 1345737459 23638 :asspirate!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1345738718 173039 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-60.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345739359 863974 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345740124 886861 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1345740126 68673 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345740156 432832 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345741288 775076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1345741629 789483 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345741889 186670 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345742177 619831 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1345742190 165694 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345742645 582899 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1345742680 989981 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345742711 356444 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345742731 860172 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345742988 371571 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345743089 942963 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1345744317 410173 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-60.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1345744970 983990 :logicalguy!~ro@pcproj14.dcs.aber.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345745091 523678 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345745110 781479 :logicalguy!~ro@pcproj14.dcs.aber.ac.uk PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1345745348 854142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345745413 832026 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help
< 1345745418 978113 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The internet's going out
< 1345745461 200057 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1345745470 82768 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :trip it over before it gets to the door
< 1345745499 799949 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's handcuffed me to my chair
< 1345745529 645606 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and your kinky internet, we don't want to hear about your "games"
< 1345745555 466719 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't a game!
< 1345745568 864763 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's never done this before!
< 1345745589 549475 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345747906 51132 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345748014 75637 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, regarding what you said about Black Holes and Revelations...
< 1345748020 290235 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just re-listened to it
< 1345748029 184311 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know completely agree with you
< 1345748087 238207 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :War is overdue/The time has come for you/To shoot your leaders down/Join forces underground
< 1345748119 188517 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1345748151 211461 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No one's going to take me alive / Time has come to make things right / You and I must fight for our rights / You and I must fight to survive"
< 1345748180 183920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you think of 0^(0^x) function? I would think of the C !! and the Haskell types (Cont Zero) and (Codensity Initialize).
< 1345748248 173591 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0 ^ (0 ^ 1)
< 1345748249 169565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1345748251 696402 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0 ^ (0 ^ 0)
< 1345748252 662948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0
< 1345748259 23569 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0 ^ (0 ^ 7)
< 1345748260 77337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1345748275 557388 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what do you think of the 2nd law so far?
< 1345748294 833535 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't heard it yet
< 1345748299 912058 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thanks for reminding me it exist
< 1345748301 337201 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s*
< 1345748309 295480 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i'm listening to the new Infected Mushroom album
< 1345748315 154125 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madness, Survival, and The 2nd Law: Unsustainable are the songs that have been released
< 1345748321 410466 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it like?
< 1345748326 54901 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they are now enamored with dubstep
< 1345748337 324160 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like... dubstep and electro-pop
< 1345748342 262037 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very different from their usual stuff
< 1345748348 754897 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's the 2nd law
< 1345748352 282110 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is dubstep nowadays
< 1345748353 294774 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still IM too
< 1345748354 678472 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1345748357 722099 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was afraid of that
< 1345748403 589878 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-20-34.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1345748412 996777 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's time to make some Muse/MSPA fan art
< 1345748418 357914 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MusePA
< 1345748542 592400 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A woman carrying her soon to be five-year-old son fell onto the Red Line tracks in Kendall Square Wednesday night, after she thought she was boarding a train that was stopped on the opposite track."
< 1345749208 454721 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m982mvEFm91rysy5go1_500.jpg
< 1345749213 554 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muse/MSPA art
< 1345749259 592796 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even for here, that may be really off-topic
< 1345749281 537344 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's possible
< 1345749314 453906 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: what is that, it's completely unreadable
< 1345749345 639912 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All natural and technological processes proceed in such a way that the availability of the remaining energy decreases. 
< 1345749345 791969 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves an isolated system, the entropy of that system increases. 
< 1345749345 938064 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Energy continuously flows from being concentrated, to becoming dispersed, spread out, wasted and useless. 
< 1345749345 938256 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :New energy cannot be created and high grade energy is being destroyed. An economy based on endless growth is
< 1345749355 762812 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNSUTSAINABBLE
< 1345749408 747464 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(words from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF_xdvn52As )
< 1345749415 979972 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-128-137.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1345749425 923850 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I spelt "Useless" wrong
< 1345749430 124605 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a sign
< 1345749497 177979 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is spelt spelt/spelled spelled or spelt?
< 1345749521 192145 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelt is spelt spelt or spelled
< 1345749530 824076 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelt is only really found in the UK
< 1345749560 573917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Splet.
< 1345749569 186964 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelt is a type of flour
< 1345749656 679360 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that spelt is also spelt spelt in english?
< 1345749672 733277 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-86.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345749690 424169 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably
< 1345749853 263236 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-136-187.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345750022 172374 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-33.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1345750570 816266 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god that's got 4 notes on tumblr
< 1345750583 590962 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like twice as many notes as anything I've ever done before
< 1345750597 204502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345750737 653582 :mjv!~chatzilla@sd4403ae1.adsl.wanadoo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345750761 410730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome mjv
< 1345750772 71400 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mjv: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1345750779 144644 :PatrickRobotham!~chatzilla@ppp118-209-204-193.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345751033 430975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Then you rapidly realise that a lot of it is dreck that's either formulaic or written by people who don't get lasting horror.
< 1345751050 324731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your quest now is to turn _that_ into an scp somehow.
< 1345751118 424454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PatrickRobotham"?
< 1345751147 162328 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously a robot from Hexham called Patrick
< 1345751157 515353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly.
< 1345751282 212980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, windows, it is _not_ acceptable to delay raising windows in order to trick me into clicking somewhere i never intended to.
< 1345751306 790813 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Telegraph website gets me like that EVERY TIME
< 1345751319 848732 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took me ages to get to the page for World NEws
< 1345751325 834658 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care about its cookie policy
< 1345751358 144615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use keyboard and/or adjust the setting of Windows?
< 1345751475 287085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i have no idea what setting that would be.  the machine was close to thrashing.
< 1345751635 9347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time it wasn't a particular website.  although the web newspapers sometimes get me that way - i need to click somewhere in the window in order to focus so scrolling works, but *poof* then suddenly there's something clickable there.
< 1345751695 581562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've noticed that annoyingly for wikia i need to click on the scrollbar instead, clicking in the window itself _disables_ scrolling.
< 1345751696 815231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Push ALT+TAB or click the title? I think Windows does have a secret setting for hover focus too, like some UNIX systems have.
< 1345751740 138605 :mjv!~chatzilla@sd4403ae1.adsl.wanadoo.nl QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]
< 1345751752 378706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i guess ALT+TAB would have worked in this particular case.
< 1345751934 640114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I scare *incredibly* easily. <-- i should point and laugh but i remember for _years_ after jurassic park came out i couldn't walk close to the neighborhood park without imagining dinosaurs watching me :P
< 1345752011 479592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found someone made .NSF simulating the THX deep note using VRC6 and Namco expansions.
< 1345752094 389993 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345752122 845477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1345752124 552024 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1345752232 896118 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345752808 528851 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, a 502 error
< 1345752813 577276 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I seen one of those before?
< 1345753435 9212 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, I heard it
< 1345753970 758006 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Many times
< 1345754999 649898 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi NICK :atehwa
< 1345755237 97362 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345755385 356639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1345755893 145337 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you CTFing still?
< 1345755893 415342 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345755898 81402 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what level are you on?
< 1345755947 937444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I left it off after finishing 6 yesterday. Haven't gotten back to it yet.
< 1345755960 759250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has some other things to do but plans to finish it.

< 1345755970 905331 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1345755974 446900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like you haven't finished it either?
< 1345755977 214548 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1345755980 366674 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1345755986 640635 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got to the last level last night, then took a break
< 1345755988 490812 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm back at it
< 1345755991 666976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gather that level 8 is tricky.
< 1345756001 549702 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1345756023 620104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this CTF is harder than the last one.
< 1345756033 680963 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certainly aligns less with things i already know
< 1345756056 94479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to run mosh-server on level02 but didn't manage it.
< 1345756080 523197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up settling for sending command via HTTP.
< 1345756095 856837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know mosh doesn't run when it can't read /etc/passwd?
< 1345756125 665534 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :level 7 is quite fun :)
< 1345756135 281675 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an easier way to get a shell on level2
< 1345756138 59825 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want me to tell you?
< 1345756152 176383 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I did know that, because you said it in #mosh earlier :)
< 1345756157 950396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a shell on level02 needed on either level 7 or level 8?
< 1345756160 967373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good point.
< 1345756167 833797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is then you shouldn't tell me.
< 1345756175 777333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1345756181 250056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now you can't even tell me whether you can tell me.
< 1345756189 763111 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-86.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345756302 690274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345756310 26695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1345756508 95912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's an ssh server running.
< 1345756609 233052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But generating and uploading a key doesn't seem to work...
< 1345756622 962307 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what kind of CTF?
< 1345756627 935036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: stripe-ctf.com
< 1345756633 636385 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that exists again
< 1345756634 159248 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1345756642 322728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a new one.
< 1345756708 637754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders whether ssh supports login with uid instead of username.

< 1345756752 26714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it doesn't.
< 1345756760 436821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, my username is my home directory's name.
< 1345756768 254405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I guess you pretty much did tell me.
< 1345756806 533254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm surprised there's no easy-to-download "standalone telnet server" or something, though.
< 1345756810 507446 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can already run arbitrary code on the box through php
< 1345756821 116510 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which game?
< 1345756823 887268 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: every black hat has one lying around
< 1345756836 69638 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe just a copy of netcat that supports "-e" and is compiled static
< 1345756844 237257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1345756860 901115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I compiled mosh-server with -static to upload it.
< 1345756874 432054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I thought maybe that got messed up so I uploaded all its dynamic libraries.
< 1345756874 769430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can Checkout programs be compiled to hardware?
< 1345757021 411990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway now I have a shell, but I'll get back to this later.
< 1345757065 378879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can Checkout programs be compiled to: LLVM, some open-source GPU architectures, some GPU with open specification, VHDL, or some custom CPU/GPU architecture specifically designed for Checout?
< 1345757092 804943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is not way that Checkout programs can be compiled to some cusom CPU/GPU architecture specifically designed for Checkout.
< 1345757098 203968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/t//
< 1345757251 821463 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PART :#esoteric
< 1345757378 679700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like we lost lexande.
< 1345757564 50454 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net NICK :lexande-ersatz
< 1345757575 559683 :lexande-ersatz!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can temporarily impersonate him...
< 1345757624 329617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you probably should ask ais523 that.  he's not here now, but checkout is his language and he _is_ an expert on compilation to hardware...
< 1345757638 126527 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1345757742 568851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Only four more spaces open in the top-20 list!
< 1345757780 910452 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1345757788 424104 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i'm happy about this leaderboard
< 1345758037 975662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way it works or its existence?
< 1345758055 757643 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :existence
< 1345758077 100140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION usually ignores leaderboards like that.

< 1345758117 120594 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes willpower to do that
< 1345758118 292353 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me
< 1345758133 682637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : The "except this" is now isolated :( <-- *MWAHAHAHA*
< 1345758144 661584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true.
< 1345758150 241258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is he not here to listen to my gloating
< 1345758173 189748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: As you may know, I don't even own a television.
< 1345758186 415015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This new CTF thing is very webby; though I suppose that's what they said it was going to be. (Went to level 4, then got sidetracked to do other things.)
< 1345758211 523307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sometimes at public places with televisions in them, I suddenly notice that I've been staring at a screen for the last 20 seconds.
< 1345758220 775130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a strange feeling. I don't even realize what I was looking at.
< 1345758227 327200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never even heard of all these Sinatras and whatnots.
< 1345758254 392056 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm happy with it being web stuff
< 1345758256 645186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have all been staring at a screen for _much_ more than 20 seconds. *MWAHAHAHA* oh wait...
< 1345758269 753663 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's an opportunity to learn different things
< 1345758277 489541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's totally not the same!
< 1345758288 721510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW THE DENIAL
< 1345758296 817228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that he's currently not making progress with either the CTF or the other things he was going to do.

< 1345758298 657788 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing they do is deeply dependant on arcane knowledge of a particular language or framework
< 1345758317 288979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except JavaScript, maybe.
< 1345758332 655827 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you need *arcane* knowledge of javascript
< 1345758355 306273 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you need to know the very basics and to be comfortable poking around in "Inspect Element" or such
< 1345758355 452282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps not.
< 1345758362 167800 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's spoilers?
< 1345758369 93149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's spoilers?
< 1345758374 194851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even tell which level it's for.
< 1345758387 343570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It spoiled the fact that there's going to be some JavaScript. I haven't seen any, I don't think.
< 1345758407 651331 :lexande-ersatz!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net NICK :boily
< 1345758407 797527 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i implied that you don't need to know subtle details of javascript
< 1345758412 276444 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which narrows down where one might look for hax
< 1345758493 150100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the level with the regexp, I was trying to figure out a way to match against the program's own code in the git repository.
< 1345758503 484399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether that's spoilers. At any rate it didn't work because git compresses things. :-(
< 1345758505 394589 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1345758508 881232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it's a bare repository.)
< 1345758530 691771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the line checking for the regexp actually does match the regexp.
< 1345758544 556881 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mind = blown

< 1345758570 692354 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you write a regex which matches only itself?
< 1345758802 713895 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a challenge
< 1345758818 527635 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about an empty regex
< 1345758831 209066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh a narcissist regex
< 1345758834 191110 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will match any line
< 1345758840 262150 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the interpretation of "match" i'm taking)
< 1345758850 176857 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it's easy, any regex containing only literal characters (letters etc) would do
< 1345758887 137761 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a regexp containing the letter a
< 1345758898 574973 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually
< 1345758903 25888 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will match any line containing the letter a
< 1345758905 39929 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the interpretation of "match" i'm taking)
< 1345758906 645501 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1345758914 882327 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is tricky
< 1345758925 339314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need ^ and $ or something equivalent
< 1345758932 659828 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You basically have to make a regexp quine
< 1345758942 70497 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^$ matches an empty line
< 1345758956 487082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Narcissist
< 1345758973 377626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :narcissists tend to be quine-like
< 1345758980 715608 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^$$ matches a line with ^$ on it
< 1345759008 163864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you need to handle escaping i think
< 1345759013 43896 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345759015 767316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes things much harder
< 1345759038 367142 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You don't need to escape ^ or $ if they aren't at the start or end of the regex
< 1345759048 203649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't?  hm.
< 1345759070 834063 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, there is something that makes ^^$$ work as intended
< 1345759096 253367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that may be connected with the single-line/multi-line options (in perl)
< 1345759123 721696 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's that you don't need to escape ^ or $ if you have them elsewhere in their real meanings
< 1345759235 82335 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1345759241 308630 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, this is tricky
< 1345759338 631586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38
< 1345759552 622422 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless there is a way of embedding a literal representation of the regex inside the regex
< 1345759559 22074 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be impossible
< 1345759607 769825 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost certainly possible with perl's crazy extended "reg"exes
< 1345759717 194657 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~jas/toys/inequ.html Looks like we aren't the only ones at it
< 1345759962 52438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Perl at least has no special magic about ^ matching a literal "^" if it's not the first thing. E.g. /^^foo/ matches 'foobar', doesn't match '^foobar'.
< 1345760044 382407 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep does
< 1345760075 745392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print join(" ", map { /^^foo/ ? "$_:yes" : "$_:no" } ("foobar", "^foobar"));
< 1345760076 133327 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobar:yes ^foobar:no
< 1345760111 518360 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo '^foobar' | grep '^^foo'`
< 1345760111 664322 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^foobar
< 1345760114 975978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it seems. Fancy that.
< 1345760115 158389 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​'^foobar' | grep '^^foo'`
< 1345760124 953557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, inequ is another name for narcissist then
< 1345760134 356161 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol at HackEgo
< 1345760162 147164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '^foobar' | grep '^^foo'
< 1345760165 278634 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^foobar
< 1345760168 526479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway.
< 1345760202 852257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e 'foobar\n^foobar' | grep -E '^^foo'
< 1345760205 816169 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobar
< 1345760218 787805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's different with extended RE.
< 1345760333 481597 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, so egrep
< 1345760373 456413 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345760373 602843 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345760373 749022 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host
< 1345760373 749174 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345760394 310713 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com NICK :Guest28134
< 1345760419 96835 :Guest28134!~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Client Quit
< 1345760553 99811 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: aww, I won't be in the top 20
< 1345760814 859066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Now you get to practice not caring about leaderboards!
< 1345760821 971128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet the leaderboard was sour anyway.
< 1345760836 230435 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it
< 1345760898 863658 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1345760917 485136 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345760949 849390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second thing was a joke about sour grapes. I know you said you didn't like the leaderboard even before -- it wasn't making fun of you in particular.
< 1345761040 642848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs.

< 1345761122 502979 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which community is more likely to want to play with monads, the Clojure community or the Common Lisp community
< 1345761133 431340 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :grour sapes
< 1345761157 97272 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which community is more likely to want to play with themselves
< 1345761169 343179 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the connection to grapes?
< 1345761193 125536 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the hgronnection to capes?
< 1345761211 83 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION kind of thinks that Clojure is a better language except for lack of CLOS and condition system

< 1345761227 403984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sour_grapes
< 1345761246 64478 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That daemn esop
< 1345761258 424051 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it have to do with leaderboards
< 1345761271 979820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1345761279 415182 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi
< 1345761293 611939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt: we discover kmc doesn't understand fables and proverbs
< 1345761313 594161 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1345761316 319830 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hith wis fabcy fanles
< 1345761337 615123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that FreeFull cannot spel
< 1345761353 819366 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was on a leaderboard thing once
< 1345761361 403177 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :C ian jell spust efin
< 1345761393 801163 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :aat whre tou yalking tabou
< 1345761403 92122 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can prove it :(
< 1345761430 975168 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You can.. with trime tavel!
< 1345761465 87834 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even prove a connection between YouOS and myself
< 1345761471 669509 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think all my code is gone for good
< 1345761501 994512 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Google: Not iOS. YouOS.
< 1345761614 696303 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you "" everything
< 1345761671 832366 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only actual connection that I get when I google "YouOS" "Sgeo" is a log of me in a Java chatroom mentioning it
< 1345761677 631973 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes little to no sense.
< 1345761696 726224 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1345761727 652111 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://echelog.com/logs/browse/java/1271368800
< 1345761762 499874 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, context was someone talking about an OS in Java, and OSes that aren't really OSes and me mentioning a project with OS in its name that's not really an OS.
< 1345762059 119530 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, i beat level 8 but the web interface won't take my password
< 1345762083 999913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You completed this level in -34914.789 seconds." That's... unlikely.
< 1345762093 735264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The others show reasonable (nonnegative) numbers.
< 1345762101 448960 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the stripe ctf channel is full of "HALP HOW 2 SOLVE LVL 1" so i can't get the attention of admins
< 1345762146 867007 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lvl 1? They got past lvl 0?
< 1345762168 125012 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them
< 1345762206 988587 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345762312 974602 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345762374 800184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game is this?
< 1345762399 498045 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://stripe-ctf.com
< 1345762518 163934 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have stuff I should be doing today
< 1345762534 323882 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like endlessly contemplating whether clojure is better than common lisp?
< 1345762534 470089 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working on a sellable product in SL and repairing my IRC bot
< 1345762587 255781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should make a Lisp that compiles to LSL
< 1345762861 592542 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I don't like being timed
< 1345762915 451994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345763117 355996 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, this is fun
< 1345763205 645487 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1345763247 402549 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's the same shirt as last time
< 1345763363 214805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a somewhat low-quality shirt.
< 1345763369 641902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The regular Stripe shirts are much nicer.
< 1345763382 935559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand they make people think I work at Stripe.
< 1345763395 561732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't like shirts with text.

< 1345763411 2557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you somehow remove the text?
< 1345763423 172086 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Stripe CTF a finite duration thing?
< 1345763428 102458 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or will it be open for a while/
< 1345763430 335004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, one week.
< 1345763438 464005 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A73B.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345763480 445577 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one week from noon yesterday PDT
< 1345763526 207852 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : i wonder if it's the same shit as last time    That was a somewhat low-quality shit.    The regular Stripe shits are much nicer.   * shachaf doesn't like shits with text.    Can you somehow remove the text?
< 1345763526 817416 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will play more later, I'm a bit stumped, there's an obvious looking area here but it looks secure

< 1345763557 674547 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: is there like a simulacrum of #esoteric which lives inside your head?
< 1345763565 992723 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be frightening
< 1345763576 683042 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a poo simulacrum.
< 1345763584 997021 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's one thing to be crazy but it's another thing to have a bunch of voices in your head who are themselves crazy
< 1345763598 856824 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE GREAT BIG POO
< 1345763611 452975 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1345763616 294360 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE GREAT MIGHTY POO
< 1345763616 502966 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION had a high quality shit while solving the ctf

< 1345763632 329416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: If sane voices make you crazy, crazy voices must make you sane.
< 1345763664 897931 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that's how it works
< 1345763717 442076 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That’s just the crazy talking.
< 1345763741 469740 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are timezone acronyms like PDT useful?
< 1345763746 365285 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the US ones are pretty useful
< 1345763757 994022 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it the case that (e.g.) all points in EEST switch to EET on the same date?
< 1345763765 733866 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this was not the case before the 90's anyway
< 1345763770 106112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hey i'm _not_ crazy, it's just all these crazy voices confusing me all the time
< 1345763775 851865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1345763790 160058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you sure you are not crazy?
< 1345763793 549697 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pax bruxellana
< 1345763809 794994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prefers just "PT"

< 1345763817 716896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The voices tell me I'm not.
< 1345763820 763825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "EEST", "EET" means?
< 1345763831 193364 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Eastern European (Summer)? Time
< 1345763847 957196 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1345763855 520013 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusingly 'S' means DST in most of the world and not-DST in the USA
< 1345763858 233027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eesti time
< 1345763862 335898 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!
< 1345763864 263364 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like daylight saving time and summer time
< 1345763870 576770 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is eesti time
< 1345763883 712755 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had some other pun involving C'EST
< 1345763893 325858 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not zzo38?
< 1345763895 783081 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w5neFPat1w
< 1345763908 980529 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :BST
< 1345763913 656643 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Means british summer time
< 1345763923 429961 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is a fact
< 1345763942 910068 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used to have double summer time too
< 1345763965 215189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should use solar time and UTC, and then also use Italian hours and/or astrological houses if you need sunset time as well
< 1345763968 847285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is clearly absurd, as it would imply the brits have summers
< 1345764008 22969 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also britain was on GMT+1 for all of 1969 and 1970
< 1345764070 626312 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :pirateat28
< 1345764236 785363 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in reality the universe was created in the afternoon (UTC) of Sunday, August 17, 1969
< 1345764274 838409 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will be destroyed in 9661 after a false alarm in 1996
< 1345764313 30910 :pirateat28!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1345764372 151588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun-Neptune has a close opposition of ecliptic longitude at this time.
< 1345764433 918656 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is regex really that terrible for web page processing in all circumstances?
< 1345764454 586524 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The destruction date of the universe doesn’t matter to us that much after the 2012 destruction of the Earth.
< 1345764459 975028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think regex can be used for web page processing.
< 1345764484 274259 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esr agrees
< 1345764526 186320 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345764527 996963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure the 2012 destruction of Earth? How will they get destroyed? Atom bomb?
< 1345764529 493964 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is XML really that terrible for video processing in all circumstances? I think XML can be used for video processing.
< 1345764541 95489 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: come on, we still have a few months to assemble a project orion generation ship
< 1345764545 952768 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't think XML would be good for video processing, though.
< 1345764552 122268 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Will collide with an antiearth
< 1345764570 353884 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Earth cancelled due to lack of ratings
< 1345764572 366839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What antiearth?
< 1345764597 680921 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There’s only one. That one.
< 1345764624 930342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if there is only one (assuming there is even one), I still don't know which one it is.
< 1345764682 121792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wasn't that a plot of some tv series
< 1345764762 843878 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345764773 642752 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 PART :#esoteric
< 1345764803 730130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tv cartoon series
< 1345764929 589498 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU GUYS YOU GUYS https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/sysv-dev
< 1345764946 180171 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not a dinosaur. Or a pony.

< 1345764960 655995 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that Gregor is a dinopony.
< 1345765011 838525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm south park it seems
< 1345765141 728466 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: nice
< 1345765167 47002 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I did a bunch of video editing with shell scripts that invoked netpnm on individual frames
< 1345765170 166243 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no xml though
< 1345765244 859424 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Common Lisp make more sense for video editing than Clojure, for performance reasons?
< 1345765250 720206 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I plan to do video editing
< 1345765338 446280 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1345765353 151043 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Sgeo you so silly
< 1345765355 767556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes video editing can be done with shell scripts although invoking a program on each frame would seem to be slow. Parallel computing might be better way.
< 1345765364 13605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345765367 619145 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1345765368 363539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys, i was planning on doing some video editing
< 1345765374 144603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any suggestions as to which lisp dialect i should use
< 1345765383 686865 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the time I had like the only SMP machine among my friends
< 1345765386 327559 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were the days
< 1345765387 986204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I may modify pictures using ImageMagick.
< 1345765402 468232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYNCHRONICITY
< 1345765407 984533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hey, you finished it.
< 1345765411 285327 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1345765418 267570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about synchronicity?
< 1345765423 397722 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a dual socket single-core-Opteron machine
< 1345765428 272347 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were the days
< 1345765438 529114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will continue soon.

< 1345765440 578327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...some day i'll snap and ban zzo38 for ruining my bad jokes
< 1345765457 80837 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :later we found an even older SMP machine lying around
< 1345765486 745179 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had four Pentium Pro chips
< 1345765489 974832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're all useless
< 1345765491 252929 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: zzo's already a hero but then he'll be a martyr
< 1345765499 280278 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this what you want
< 1345765500 66305 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a hybrid of newLisp and Arc.
< 1345765503 593139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ok good argument
< 1345765505 28405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: thx
< 1345765506 475497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1345765511 352712 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1 GB of RAM on several cards, each the size of a modern PC motherboard
< 1345765540 486219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what he would have said if I said something that wasn't a Lisp dialect
< 1345765544 328894 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn
< 1345765545 197945 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was the size of a refridgerator
< 1345765557 254308 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i left it in a common area, which caused some annoyance to others
< 1345765564 201151 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I assume he can still read this
< 1345765569 678040 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe the exact threat was "if you do not move that computer, i will open up the case and take a shit inside"
< 1345765654 225400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how civilized
< 1345765689 843639 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1345765708 489419 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pentium bros before pentium pros
< 1345765734 43478 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the student computing club also had some pre-release Itanium boxes which were even shittier than regular Itanium boxes
< 1345765746 396100 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had some CPU bugs and were never properly supported by GCC
< 1345765755 938661 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they kept these as a way of hazing new sysadmins
< 1345765762 334766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Itanium that terrible?
< 1345765777 106190 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avoid anything with CPU bugs
< 1345765778 404985 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it's really hard to write compilers for I hear?
< 1345765786 29080 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardware bugs are nast
< 1345765789 540034 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasty
< 1345765791 694306 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, what Phantom_Hoover said
< 1345765804 812923 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get good performance you have to pay intel for their crazy compiler
< 1345765808 443230 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it might be free for academia
< 1345765813 288108 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write everything in assembly!
< 1345765819 679608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes it so hard to write compilers for?
< 1345765827 957330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it something fundamental about the architecture?
< 1345765833 631465 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the instruction stream contains hints about parallelism
< 1345765841 963539 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sort of things a normal CPU figures out on the fly
< 1345765849 466433 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it turns out, doing this on the fly is easier because you have more information
< 1345765852 865861 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, parallelism is hard
< 1345765876 347804 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't just write a sequence of instructions, you write a sequence of instruction *groups*, where each group happens in parallel
< 1345765879 331398 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1345765887 201734 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :read about it if you want to know the actual situation
< 1345765895 752411 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :belongs to the VLIW class of architectures
< 1345765901 664123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point.
< 1345765903 636332 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has (as a result?) fallen out of favor for general purpose architectures
< 1345765908 993448 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is still popular for DSPs and such
< 1345765943 813001 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Itanium was also used largely to emulate x86 and HP PA-RISC
< 1345765949 467529 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it kinda sucked at these
< 1345766031 946613 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I'm guessing at this level (level 2)
< 1345766034 24454 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1345766034 870142 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Intel is contractually obligated to keep making Itanium chips
< 1345766044 233116 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a result of the deal with HP where it replaced PA-RISC
< 1345766047 566028 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be bullshit tho
< 1345766049 792027 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: want a hint?
< 1345766057 373867 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, ok, sure
< 1345766071 172096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.>
< 1345766077 783514 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what do you have so far
< 1345766080 134454 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(feel free to PM)
< 1345766084 736483 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think we want to avoid spoilers here)
< 1345766088 430741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do?
< 1345766094 1968 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe not
< 1345766097 105395 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatevs
< 1345766097 927294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think other people in here are doing it.
< 1345766101 994556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they will later, though.
< 1345766107 229526 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you and me, but we're past level 2
< 1345766110 909583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avoid spoilers for ≥7 :-)
< 1345766212 315251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Level 3 was much easier than level 2.
< 1345766328 61062 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found it difficult for two
< 1345766329 486019 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasons
< 1345766420 235583 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is that v qvqa'g erpbtavmr gur dhrel fgevat ohvyqvat nf hafnsr vzzrqvngryl
< 1345766460 290096 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also v unq gb cbxr nebhaq va fdyvgr qbpf gb svaq bhg ubj gb rssrpgviryl nqq ebjf gb n fryrpg, pbagebyyvat bayl gur cneg bs gur dhrel v qvq
< 1345766468 669932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should switch back to urxvt, which has built-in rot13.
< 1345766473 213122 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does??
< 1345766481 225118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl-right-click
< 1345766488 578502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least my installation does. Maybe it's a script that comes with it.
< 1345766500 909334 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus
< 1345766502 600310 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ridiculous
< 1345766550 148327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo urxvt | tr a-z n-za-m
< 1345766553 669406 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hekig
< 1345766571 153460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vad hekigt
< 1345766573 501253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 shachaf@carbon
< 1345766573 880319 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :funpuns@pneoba
< 1345766598 59048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 hydrogen helium lithium beryllium boron
< 1345766598 684492 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ulqebtra uryvhz yvguvhz orelyyvhz obeba
< 1345766631 293470 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: your name rot13s to funpuns? seriously?
< 1345766642 229957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 nitrogen oxygen fluorine neon
< 1345766642 915853 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :avgebtra bkltra syhbevar arba
< 1345766650 693430 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that is amazing
< 1345766664 200841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 kmc oerjan 
< 1345766664 778113 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xzp brewna 
< 1345766672 358636 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 keegan
< 1345766672 827602 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xrrtna
< 1345766691 841913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :furrfu
< 1345766695 106685 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 ørjan
< 1345766695 597899 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :øewna
< 1345766701 900342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, you didn't know?
< 1345766707 770773 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1345766715 963621 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this why you like puns so much
< 1345766733 230003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's my name because my mother likes puns so much.
< 1345766740 893738 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I suck at understanding hints
< 1345766760 803240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(She was very pleased when I pointed it out, maybe 13 years later.)
< 1345766771 787375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What was your hint?
< 1345766810 48438 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 Filip
< 1345766810 520198 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Svyvc
< 1345767054 361792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: A lot of these puzzles are tricky to exploit, but things that would've never come up when writing the code in the first place, or reviewing someone else's code.
< 1345767108 815705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because the whole thing is flawed in a lot of ways -- just most of them happen not to be exploitable.
< 1345767166 997805 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared that I may end up writing that sort of code
< 1345767173 795967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that doesn't apply to all of them.
< 1345767309 849406 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't really agree
< 1345767326 399829 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i agree that the examples are a bit contrived
< 1345767349 55998 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are holes you see in real programs, and things you would want to look for in review
< 1345767368 468228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1345767393 946019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what annoys me is the idea of reviewing exclusively for security holes, rather than other design issues.
< 1345767403 888492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course the latter can be a much bigger change.
< 1345767422 900111 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, other design issues are outside the scope of this challenge :)
< 1345767428 709766 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm missing the context of your complaint
< 1345767469 584784 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having lots of other issues makes it a more realistic challenge
< 1345767511 795452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true.
< 1345767541 773839 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think there is value in reviewing just for security holes
< 1345767547 832966 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a separate person thinking about that all the time
< 1345767564 44751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1345767569 628126 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the caveat that they should be allowed to say "i don't see a hole in your code, but it's so poorly designed that i deem it insecure anyway'
< 1345767584 769909 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this should be a higher bar than merely ugly code
< 1345767619 829028 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's difficult as a reviewer to find that middle ground of "i would do this a different way, and i find your way gross, but i won't make you redo it"
< 1345767689 88104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I just mean that I'd rather have a challenge where there's some security hole but the puzzles still seem like "good code".
< 1345767702 913841 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1345767707 309665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though that might be less realistic. :-)
< 1345767713 72856 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't think the code in this set is too bad
< 1345767740 488682 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the PHP levels, because they are written in PHP
< 1345767754 35461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone write good code in PHP, kmc?
< 1345767772 631923 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://underhanded.xcott.com/ Related
< 1345767775 817823 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"""Do not tell me that “good developers can write good code in any language”, or bad developers blah blah. That doesn’t mean anything. A good carpenter can drive in a nail with either a rock or a hammer, but how many carpenters do you see bashing stuff with rocks? Part of what makes a good developer is the ability to choose the tools that work best."""
< 1345767781 936647 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yeah, i like that thing
< 1345767791 679651 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have plans to run an updated and more free-form version of it
< 1345767825 40528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can God create a programming language so terrible that even God can't write good code in it?
< 1345767831 718502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And is Rasmus Lerdorf God?)
< 1345767842 860526 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants eve and mallory's secrets

< 1345767853 977632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: They are available.
< 1345767859 736679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can get bob's secret you can get them.
< 1345767860 987259 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that would explain a lot
< 1345767863 87553 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dinner, bbl
< 1345767870 37736 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, working on it
< 1345767913 336547 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A programming language that doesn't allow you to write any code would fulfill that purpose
< 1345767943 792706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: You don't think there's such a thing as "code so bad it doesn't even compile"?
< 1345768004 185848 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: With this language, no code compiles
< 1345768026 479914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly.
< 1345768030 620890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1345768043 903586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION got it backwards.

< 1345768103 886698 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, brainfuck will compile anything
< 1345768113 194205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Ok]
< 1345768253 618242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that yes God can create a programming language so terrible that even God can't write good code in it.
< 1345768382 215390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes one way is one that no code is valid.
< 1345768949 544286 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345768951 71277 :TeruFSX!~quassel@174-20-4-203.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345768977 23004 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345769187 297359 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP
< 1345769235 876595 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh
< 1345769460 203178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, kmc went afk
< 1345769464 200856 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder he's not helping me
< 1345769518 566169 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one blatantly obvious flaw in this code, and it's taunting me with my inability to abuse it
< 1345769605 847999 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just realized I have other things I really need to do
< 1345770889 431947 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345771370 577284 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345773442 25816 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-110.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345773479 774922 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-136-187.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345773487 644616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why are you unable to abuse it?
< 1345773519 650305 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, well, it only allows one SQL statement, but kmc gave me a hint about that, but right now working on something more important
< 1345773541 131172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you mean FDY statement!
< 1345773659 268481 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1345774045 774347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a monad always covariant in its argument?
< 1345774069 617327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess it would have to be since you can write fmap.
< 1345774273 449819 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345774329 599408 :vxhex!~rico@unaffiliated/vxhex JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345774395 286849 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's more correctly stated as "Is Monad covariant in its argument?"
< 1345774421 635816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? I mean "are instances of Monad covariant in their argument".
< 1345774426 14580 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345774428 343951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, Reader is covariant in its argument.
< 1345774437 320109 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345774448 488426 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean?
< 1345774471 51294 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean (Reader t)?
< 1345774482 24410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, yes.
< 1345774493 12285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. (Reader t) is the instance of Monad, though.
< 1345774496 455360 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what "covariant" means in Haskell in general
< 1345774503 461971 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual meaning relates to subtyping, which Haskell lacks
< 1345774511 869839 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a "covariant functor" is a particular kind of thing
< 1345774522 893803 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and every Monad is a covariant functor, yes
< 1345774530 118401 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the usual sort of functor captured by the Functor class
< 1345774536 250876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1345774542 964902 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, i think your phrasing is more correct
< 1345774550 39335 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1345774550 211868 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know what mine would mean -_-
< 1345774568 818163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think saying that a type is covariant in a means that a only appears only to the left of an even number of ->s
< 1345774608 634613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you look at -> as the branch of a tree, that is.
< 1345774623 756189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "a" is covariant in "a", and so is ((a -> r) -> r)
< 1345774644 569483 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :dishonestbob
< 1345774645 515165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not (a -> r)
< 1345774665 81884 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so you're asking whether the implementation of every monad (the RHS of data Foo t = ...) must satisfy this?
< 1345774684 129945 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345774698 401171 :dishonestbob!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1345774726 803164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1345774747 570249 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345774757 818157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think it does, and any covariant functor (i.e. Functor) must satisfy it in general.
< 1345774768 335643 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Client Quit
< 1345774784 632760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas a contravariant functor (i.e. Contravariant) must satisfy the reverse.
< 1345775230 927185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk says that for newtype Search f a = Search { optimum :: f a -> a }, instance Contravariant f => Monad (Search f)
< 1345775259 918418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that this is a fun exercise to prove, or something.
< 1345775278 504237 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not too hard to write, iirc
< 1345775281 963673 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :djinn can probably do it
< 1345775297 502768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn-add newtype Search f a = Search (f a -> a)
< 1345775297 724612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot parse command
< 1345775301 645278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn-add data Search f a = Search (f a -> a)
< 1345775340 236866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn ((a -> b) -> f b -> f a) -> (c -> d) -> Search f c -> Search f d
< 1345775340 418872 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: kind error: (KVar 5,KVar 2)
< 1345775359 458178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn ((a -> b) -> f b -> f a) -> (c -> d) -> (f c -> c) -> f d -> d
< 1345775359 630298 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized.
< 1345775376 695572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I already wrote this, actually.
< 1345775407 474542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn ((a -> b) -> f b -> f a) -> a -> (f a -> a) -> a
< 1345775407 667076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f _ a _ = a
< 1345775425 627971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn ((a -> b) -> f b -> f a) -> a -> f a -> a
< 1345775425 818649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f _ a _ = a
< 1345775432 143545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1345775448 18428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn ((a -> b) -> f b -> f a) -> (f (f a -> a) -> a) -> f a -> a
< 1345775448 183814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized.
< 1345775456 695463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, c and d.
< 1345775463 486570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn ((a -> b) -> f b -> f a) -> (f (f c -> c) -> c) -> f c -> c
< 1345775463 632588 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized.
< 1345775502 583637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn-add class Covariant f where contramap :: (a -> b) -> f b -> f a
< 1345775507 574249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, djinn supports classes.
< 1345775519 152248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Contravariant f => (f (f c -> c) -> c) -> f c -> c
< 1345775519 320193 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Class not found: Contravariant
< 1345775524 927872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs.

< 1345775528 838162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Covariant f => (f (f c -> c) -> c) -> f c -> c
< 1345775529 21880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized.
< 1345775535 8007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stops djinnspamming.

< 1345775755 609520 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345775876 201069 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we found a level where shachaf and i have completely different solutions :)
< 1345775881 388084 :vxhex!~rico@unaffiliated/vxhex PART :#esoteric
< 1345775886 921966 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably mine is an unintended hole :)
< 1345776371 712752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: They were talking in the CTF channel earlier about fixing some unintended holes. Maybe yours was one of them.
< 1345776385 850578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Functor class is only for endofunctors of (->) category.
< 1345776399 453416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would try to find out but I think I got my level 6 into an unusable state.
< 1345776445 121960 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know which unintended holes?
< 1345776506 354797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No -- the channel was mostly (a) people asking for spoilers, (b) people giving spoilers, and (c) people talking about when the servers that went down will be back up.
< 1345776527 995445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only cared about (c) so I tried to avoid reading spoilers about other levels.
< 1345776533 543946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That   newtype Search f a = Search { optimum :: f a -> a }   I have also called Algebra (as a F-algebra is). I also think that if f is Predicate you get the "infinite search" monad that someone else described, and I think also (CodensityAsk Predicate) is also the same, too!
< 1345776734 523338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, it's not an algebra when f is contravariant.
< 1345776755 62600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, yes, you are correct; nevertheless it is what I called that type.
< 1345776785 505814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"infinite search" is where it gets its name, though, yes.
< 1345776788 262594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contravariant functor would be a functor from (->) category to its opposite, or vice versa. Therefore it is a functor and follows the same laws as a functor because it is a functor. Actually, there are other things can you can simply say, this must be a functor, etc
< 1345776803 617051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether (CodensityAsk Predicate) is also the same, too as well. But it's possible.
< 1345776822 823179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think I have once proven that it is the same, by the Yoneda lemma.
< 1345776835 179683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what CodensityAsk is.
< 1345776873 682871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype CodensityAsk f x = CodensityAsk { runCodensityAsk :: forall z. f z -> (x -> z) -> z };
< 1345776897 310013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is always a Monad. If f is Comonad then (CodensityAsk) is also a MonadPlus.
< 1345776909 763599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is always a Monad. If f is Comonad then (CodensityAsk f) is also a MonadPlus.
< 1345776954 214083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also CodensityAskT which every "z" in that definition would be "m z" instead
< 1345777001 669190 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD I HATE MYSELF THIS CODE WHICH IS GOING TO BE IN PRODUCTION USE HAS SEVERAL FUNCTIONS THAT ARE IDENTICAL EXCEPT FOR THE NAME I SHOULD REFACTOR IT BUT I PROBABLY WON'T
< 1345777041 631191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes you should refactor it, and then if it need multiple name, then depending on the programming language you can do something about that (such as, in C, you can define a macro)
< 1345777082 568250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can define macros in C/C++!
< 1345777181 326540 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-79-136.asm.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345777285 853467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes make those kind of mistake too, but then usually try to fix it
< 1345777301 480571 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm basically abusing function names to act as a dispatch mechanism
< 1345777310 185250 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I thought these functions might greatly vary
< 1345777315 569812 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And one or two do
< 1345777318 496572 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the rest are the same
< 1345777337 88925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would they act as a dispatch mechanism, and what programming language is it?
< 1345777447 928183 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl
< 1345777469 708331 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call a function named partially by a variable
< 1345777474 195960 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, checkfeed-$method
< 1345777485 457977 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then checkfeed-etag, for example, is one function
< 1345777523 126784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Tcl have first-class functions? If so, can you assign them as same using an assignment?
< 1345777769 406915 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call them first-class as such
< 1345777805 334950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can call a function whose name you only know at runtime quite comfortably, and you do have anonymous functions, although require a funcall-like command to use them
< 1345778246 914227 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't help wondering if CLOS functionality would come in very useful here
< 1345778550 391703 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"recreational substances" is a great category if you take it to mean more than just drugs
< 1345778581 305210 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drugs, propane, helium, pudding, spray paint, lube
< 1345778656 685585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are even recreational chemicals!
< 1345778677 900910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The big problem with refactoring is I don't get to touch the code that often
< 1345778690 73044 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I do, but there's not often reason to work on it unless I'm adding a feature
< 1345778704 676554 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And deployment is annoying, becuase it consists of giving the code to the person actually running it
< 1345778771 869305 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think pudding is a chemical
< 1345778794 696731 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1345778814 827442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1345778835 778261 :Nisstyre_!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345778842 216889 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spray paint is pretty complicated too
< 1345778851 921784 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easiest thing to do would be to make the dispatcher check for the existence of the function it would call, and if it doesn't exist, call a default one
< 1345778875 374577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dispatcher"? I just call that program "diff".
< 1345778890 182894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe that's patch -R.)
< 1345778900 965968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude, I haven't used patch in years!
< 1345778911 530205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version control has taken over the world.
< 1345778921 438375 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still use patch a lot
< 1345778947 886514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what?
< 1345778949 27003 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when i'm preparing a markdown document, but i want some custom tweaks to the generated html
< 1345778971 6928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like an unreliable system.
< 1345778991 753594 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it doesn't have to work 100% automatically every time
< 1345779036 372342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking in particular of "applying other people's patches to things".
< 1345779043 966868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "releasing patches".
< 1345779098 266138 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEB can automatically apply changes from an external file.
< 1345779276 897720 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I did that once or twice
< 1345779287 534175 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, used diff
< 1345779443 771244 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in AceHack http://patch-tag.com/r/ais523/acehack/snapshot/current/content/raw/doc/fixes36.0
< 1345779464 542508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, http://blog.sigfpe.com/2006/10/monads-field-guide.html are nice pictures.
< 1345779560 458962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: seq is a suggestion. pseq is an order.
< 1345780166 768141 :TeruFSX!~quassel@174-20-4-203.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :random question: what does Muller brainfuck do if you go past the cell limit?
< 1345780534 687277 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i miss monochrom's puns :/
< 1345780547 763511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote monochrom
< 1345780547 949931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: most people tend to deny the usefulness of useful alternative perspectives --- their entrenched vested interests demand it. as they grow older they also have more influence and power
< 1345780548 96024 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :over "the state of the art" to preserve their self-fulfilling prophecy that "the alternative is useless" --- by controlling what practice looks like, they can control what looks useless.
< 1345780598 30418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suspects that's not a pun.

< 1345780600 855229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote monochrom
< 1345780601 38309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: isTrue = (unsafeCoerce :: Either a b -> Bool) . (unsafeCoerce :: Maybe c -> Either a b) . (unsafeCoerce :: Bool -> Maybe c)
< 1345780652 917584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote monochrom
< 1345780653 74241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: All pointless debates can be settled by going polymorphic.
< 1345780660 557912 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that work for any types in place of Either a b and Maybe c?
< 1345780683 499165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably.
< 1345780684 820555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote monochrom
< 1345780685 6100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: Welcome to #haskell, where @remember's are in majestic stereo!
< 1345780716 164708 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does it actually have to maybe type with type? As in, it becomes a Maybe c and then the thing accepts a Maybe c, do those have to match?
< 1345780733 439881 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or can it just be Bool in one end and out the other, regardless of whether the types in between fit?
< 1345780753 665587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The types definitely have to match.
< 1345780779 180673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce :: A -> B is a real function that only accepts a value of type A and only returns a value of type B
< 1345780803 928620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just happens to have a dubious implementation.
< 1345780986 984581 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345781136 846933 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-79-136.asm.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce :: a -> b
< 1345781167 960220 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-79-136.asm.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type variables start with lower case letters.
< 1345781170 95389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but once you explicitly give its signature as (Int -> Char), it'll be :: Int -> Char
< 1345781178 188091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what I meant by A and B.
< 1345781203 854390 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-79-136.asm.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce :: IO a -> a
< 1345781708 631306 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-86.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345782229 486037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are Canadian $1 coins made of plastic?
< 1345782259 161683 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You tell me.
< 1345783237 894294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. That is why I ask.
< 1345783453 857836 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're in Canada!
< 1345783456 405546 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can check!
< 1345783470 114541 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Light Table looks interesting
< 1345783547 312422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot tell if it is plastic or just a different kind of metal. I do not currently have one of the new $1 coins, and when I did, I did not know. Someone told me it is plastic although I am unsure, and he told me later, he is also unsure.
< 1345783704 327928 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-86.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345783917 758070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lem_lemma :: (Not a -> b) -> (a -> b) -> b
< 1345784064 856920 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you do that shachaf
< 1345784070 191067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do what?
< 1345784078 110986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the church encoding of lem.
< 1345784089 692164 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :invite lambda into lw
< 1345784110 86941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a manner of speaking.
< 1345784135 596336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Law of excluded middle does not apply in intuitionistic logic, though.
< 1345784527 404649 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345785531 753813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said I proved that (CodensityAsk Predicate) is actually the same as the infinite search monad; actually, I have only proven that the type is equivalent, not that the monad is equivalent. However, it seems to be equivalent monad from testing it.
< 1345785609 947344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should make a CTF!
< 1345785671 612694 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1345785709 395227 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345785924 37886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that church encoding of lem can be made using (Kleisli (Cont r)) instead of (->) category? You will already have Peirce's law (callCC).
< 1345785965 170850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, in Haskell you would use Cont.
< 1345785977 360666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to avoid all the syntactic nonsense that comes with it.
< 1345786457 639017 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345786718 134211 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :yeasayer
< 1345786743 971276 :yeasayer!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1345787936 61093 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345788318 868752 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :AgentOfChaos
< 1345788472 359491 :AgentOfChaos!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1345789884 353103 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345789901 792589 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345789965 971739 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345790463 360393 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345790467 130471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like Clojure's ->, especially since there's a nice reader macro for lambda
< 1345790489 901948 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be easy to write an actual function -> that threads a value through the rest of the arguments as functions
< 1345791875 341101 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-79-136.asm.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ($2) [(+) 1, (*) 3]
< 1345791876 317365 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [3,6]
< 1345792135 186534 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : &(map #(% 2) [(partial + 1) (partial * 3)])
< 1345792135 370131 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⇒ (3 6)
< 1345792172 315932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345792401 876328 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345792455 371723 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345793519 171557 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345794007 298189 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345795478 330344 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345796153 125277 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345796187 287958 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345796358 475005 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345796897 14555 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345797258 536633 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345797643 593289 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone link me that XKCD with the guy talking to the guy on the phone
< 1345797650 771735 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first guy isn't on the phone
< 1345797663 731237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWIST: The second guy isn't on the phone either
< 1345797671 477834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then who was phone?
< 1345797673 625262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As they say.)
< 1345797729 302461 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello yes this is dog
< 1345797816 697723 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello dog, are you after human rights?
< 1345797837 232606 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-79-136.asm.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :phon�
< 1345797929 244204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phone me a phoneme.
< 1345797989 928257 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I
< 1345797991 300476 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1345798003 150527 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV Tropes now has an interstitial on all outbound links.
< 1345798026 774600 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning people of the dangers of the internet?
< 1345798029 968393 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're the moral police afterall
< 1345798056 434286 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they just want people like me to stay trapped
< 1345798066 334033 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outbound links are my way out of there
< 1345798504 220353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345798697 375061 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345799037 562531 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realised that the only reason I'm smiling is because the alternative is crying
< 1345799041 520044 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1345799052 604626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grins madly

< 1345799077 391679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fails

< 1345799094 885451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION chews another piece of bread

< 1345799292 484831 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345799390 596066 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...
< 1345799414 746239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :You...
< 1345799414 977309 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the best thing to do right now is try to get 100% on Avalancha on Medium on Guitar Hero 3
< 1345799559 996255 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1345799636 317300 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345800101 866329 :knott_rays!~androirc@37-219-56-8.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345800111 133875 :knott_rays!~androirc@37-219-56-8.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi PART :#esoteric
< 1345800520 991500 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345801060 831293 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345801427 588495 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm feeling a bit better now
< 1345801621 826230 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit shaky, though
< 1345802156 542892 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1345803916 690198 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345803937 996395 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345804128 396986 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD953D1.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345804133 623395 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1345804582 988131 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345804925 398857 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345805148 212504 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 QUIT :Quit: http://RetroProgramming.com
< 1345805811 988102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Why is your nick "ion"?
< 1345805825 907068 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why not?
< 1345805845 489168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opportunity cost.
< 1345808076 368298 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-86.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345809034 306993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These are no _ordinary_ subterranean mecha-narwhals!"
< 1345809080 575699 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345809194 172558 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345809344 241420 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :)
< 1345809376 821070 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to think outloud here for a bit, if that's okay with everyone?
< 1345809395 442966 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The intellectual and cultural ancestors of Homestuck:
< 1345809424 542843 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" The let special form is used here for efficiency in the event that the first parameter, number, is passed as an expression instead of a simple value."
< 1345809455 656473 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Efficiency is totally the reason you want something to evaluate only once in an impure language.
< 1345809455 839824 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most obvious is Problem Sleuth, Andrew Hussie's previous work, which had elements of choose-your-own-adventure/interactive fiction and film noir.
< 1345809488 69244 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem Sleuth also has many references to Jail Break, another of Andrew Hussie's works. Jail Break is just silly.
< 1345809494 531132 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to be expanded upon)
< 1345809535 129270 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While there are few if any Bard Quest references in Problem Sleuth, there are a handful in Homestuck, for instance Gamzee's god tier outfit.
< 1345809600 318288 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Within Homestuck, there are references to Arthurian mythology, especially that Dave Strider encountered Caledfwlch, the Welsh name for Excalibur
< 1345809631 786557 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also Lord of the Rings references, such as Strider possessing a broken sword
< 1345809669 530817 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lord of the Rings was influenced by Norse mythology
< 1345809707 887303 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Old English (Anglo-Saxon) stories
< 1345809757 516607 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are references to the Gospels, such as Jake kissing the head of Dirk, and "Being the Salome to [his] John the Baptist"
< 1345809789 140610 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other elements of Abrahamic mythology are touched upon
< 1345809792 541377 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345809827 774071 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as the Angels being feared creatures, as they were throughout the Bible
< 1345809840 923078 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graeco-Roman mythology is referenced especially with the Denizens
< 1345809858 119158 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, Dave's denizen is Hephaestus, who was a Greek god
< 1345809894 873970 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The works of Oscar Wilde, Mark Twain, Shakespeare, Snoop Dogg, and many others are referenced
< 1345810409 160767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (0$0<$>)
< 1345810410 191550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    The operator `<$>' [infixl 4] of a section
< 1345810410 338068 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        must have lower precedence than that of the operand,
< 1345810410 484066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :          namely `$' [infixr 0]
< 1345810587 91500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t print <$> readInt <$> getLine
< 1345810588 458161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Overlapping instances for Show
< 1345810588 617132 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                ((Char -> Bool) -> (Char -> Int) -> ReadS String)
< 1345810588 763736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      arising from a use of `print' at :1:0-4
< 1345810605 627534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats lambdabot -----###

< 1345810633 199011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you print <$> readInt <$> getLine?
< 1345810646 713859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/ypyx4/why_does_print_readint_getline_return_an_ioio/
< 1345810693 146643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, so if my program compiles but doesn't work, I just need to put join $ in front of it?
< 1345810719 620918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see why it is _wrong_, but my housemate is playing music so loudly i cannot get my brain to infer why it _does_ type
< 1345810755 338584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty readInt
< 1345810755 904771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it looks to me like the comments use the wrong associativity for <$>)
< 1345810756 255664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a -> (Char -> Bool) -> (Char -> Int) -> String -> [(a, String)]
< 1345810767 252914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's the readInt you're thinking of.
< 1345810777 594268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh
< 1345810781 905850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl
< 1345810784 170182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty read <$> getLine
< 1345810785 246538 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Read a) => IO a
< 1345810785 392950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I've hit that issue before
< 1345810788 478399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty print <$> read <$> getLine
< 1345810789 550878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO (IO ())
< 1345810792 420851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :See?
< 1345810805 404898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let readInt = read :: String -> Int in print <$> readInt <$> getLine
< 1345810806 730625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO (IO ())
< 1345810813 616399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(print :: a -> IO () in this case.)
< 1345810815 154248 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, Haskell's type system should be taken out and shot.
< 1345810817 657275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you get iO (IO ())
< 1345810839 692267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, join (print <$> x) == x >>= print
< 1345810853 440092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that makes sense, the first <$> just becomes .
< 1345810857 223950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lets through wrong programs! This is a travesty!
< 1345810865 46649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, it doesn't need to.
< 1345810876 766998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES IT DOES
< 1345810878 379557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :<$> is infixr
< 1345810888 989014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um i just checked it's not
< 1345810896 754259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
< 1345810900 946489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it was it would still work!
< 1345810910 534131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly
< 1345810911 270265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :<$> IS SO ASSOCIATIVE, IT ASSOCIATES ACROSS DIFFERENT TYPES!
< 1345810913 331812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's true.)
< 1345810929 944622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it does tend to do that
< 1345810934 691322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x <$> y) <$> z == x <$> (y <$> z), when both type-check.
< 1345810939 640981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it's different instances of <$>
< 1345810943 897363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of Functor
< 1345811173 345648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: MUST... ESCAPE
< 1345811861 621517 :kmc_!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345812152 46769 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-79-136.asm.bellsouth.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345812152 431957 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345812152 432186 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345812499 394549 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345812552 129190 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-79-136.asm.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345812772 996133 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1345812779 133352 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345813638 569467 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345815098 37395 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345815838 545852 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22
< 1345816051 313039 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god Leeds is far south
< 1345816252 108135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Far out, man.
< 1345816375 490113 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halifax is about halfway between me and ais523
< 1345816611 927935 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1345816699 255715 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1345816853 681448 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :halifax, as in nova scotia's halifax?
< 1345816995 644919 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in the Halifax that's about halfway between Birmingham and Hexham
< 1345817011 769973 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yorkshire, I think
< 1345817073 49181 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1345817153 917227 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off.  Probably rebooting or something.
< 1345817163 569605 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Halifax is about halfway between me and somewhere off the west coast of Mexico
< 1345817164 235437 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345817167 654710 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, I'm far north
< 1345817186 594634 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'm not that far North, it's just California
< 1345817287 532788 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone was double the distance that separates me from halifax, in the same direction, he'd be a little bit on the damp side.
< 1345818034 493799 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345818371 431464 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi NICK :[]{}\|-_`^
< 1345818380 266332 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi NICK :[]{}|\-_`^
< 1345818402 379633 :[]{}|\-_`^!nortti@smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1345818942 156867 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is my num lock button flashing
< 1345818945 296100 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT COULD THIS MEAN
< 1345818993 751688 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernel panic
< 1345819052 503396 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't a kernel panic stop IRC from working?
< 1345819073 142866 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1345819084 305551 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not a kernel panic, then?
< 1345819092 134319 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1345819097 315222 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what os?
< 1345819137 623635 :kmc_!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pernel kanic
< 1345819140 737705 :kmc_!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net NICK :kmc
< 1345819151 333809 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu
< 1345819157 739448 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1345819168 287926 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is your problem
< 1345819204 280961 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my problem is the cable that snapped when the right hinge for the screen broke
< 1345819258 312407 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>=) :: [a] -> (a -> [a]) -> [a]
< 1345819259 318846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> (a -> [a]) -> [a]
< 1345819270 163554 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t concatMap
< 1345819271 188216 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> [b]) -> [a] -> [b]
< 1345819286 408895 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t concatMap `asTypeOf` (=<<)
< 1345819287 384944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> [b]) -> [a] -> [b]
< 1345819301 157247 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1345819306 662524 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long story short, I'm having trouble explaining mapcat to someone in #clojure
< 1345819311 443568 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they're now saying they get it
< 1345819325 826700 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It maps then squishes?
< 1345819336 664570 :cheater!~cheater@p4FD0E552.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345819341 799822 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know Clojure, though, so I couldn't say
< 1345819374 150708 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345819400 833093 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapcat is concatMap
< 1345819401 305388 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345819448 693912 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it turns out Numlock is actually switching on and off again repeatedly
< 1345819512 605564 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :644444464646464646464646464464646464646464664
< 1345819523 636738 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1345819530 927031 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know!
< 1345819539 900811 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1345819696 264927 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345820331 458026 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 QUIT :Quit: quIRC
< 1345820355 623258 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345820468 929103 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<*>)
< 1345820469 956077 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b. (Applicative f) => f (a -> b) -> f a -> f b
< 1345820474 358152 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1345820481 904478 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345820520 401757 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345820667 167629 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I present the most spurious patch ever: http://pcc.ludd.ltu.se/jira/browse/PCC-401
< 1345822197 425326 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-212.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345822213 608252 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1345822673 241786 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345823787 977410 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-29.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345824906 81713 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :ThreeFixt
< 1345824944 472276 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :)
< 1345824981 648706 :ThreeFixt!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1345825366 395852 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-75-172.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345826583 621016 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rich Hickey appears to be convinced that allowing uncoordinated reads is a good idea. For some reason, that bothers me.
< 1345826605 865203 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-75-172.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uncoordinated read?
< 1345826644 15059 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-29.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: begone
< 1345826645 225958 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading STM refs outside of a transaction, for instance.
< 1345826726 269352 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-75-172.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1345826738 431201 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-75-172.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never done any STMy type things
< 1345826826 931495 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that differ from reading a STM ref in a transaction which consists only of that operation?
< 1345826963 597179 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I guess it doesn't particularly, except that requiring the transaction might... discourage idiots from doing it that way?
< 1345826969 597874 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you're right
< 1345826969 902397 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that requiring it to be in an STM makes you think.
< 1345826971 5564 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-29.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345826998 524307 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also in principle there could be architectures where transactional memory is distinct from general memory, but that's unlikely.
< 1345827521 619157 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Clojure, println is available in dosync
< 1345827530 265375 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that would be a lot of overhead when it's generally not needed"
< 1345827538 93003 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about defining println with io!)
< 1345827558 415337 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-75-172.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345828371 390087 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-75-172.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345830238 598781 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345831243 142149 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345831413 522277 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345831463 8199 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-75-172.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345831913 834734 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :blargh
< 1345832165 178116 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1345832419 398851 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345832529 322347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345832758 937926 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :appelsiinit kerkiän
< 1345832857 662077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good.
< 1345832918 799569 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does appelsiinit päähän mean?
< 1345832940 20973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345832945 755929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oranges to the head".
< 1345832959 353166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Head being the body part.
< 1345832995 208976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, "hatut päähän" could be "put on your hats".
< 1345833010 553660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like the same thing except for oranges.
< 1345833032 216188 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate translates päähän as "from the"
< 1345833059 726333 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it would be appelsiini X päähän or something, to mean oranges from the X?
< 1345833156 181229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"päähän" is the illative ("into", in most cases) case of pää 'head'.
< 1345833205 523793 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-29.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: begone
< 1345833422 705111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least primarily. There's a different -han/-hän suffix (illative is -an/-en/etc., just changes a bit to work with "pää") it could also be, but I'm not exactly sure how that'd translate. It wouldn't fit in after the oranges, anyway.
< 1345833423 658444 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pää can also mean “side”, as in “this side of the room”.
< 1345833446 79863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-han  that one.
< 1345833474 623408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess. Or I'd say more like "end" as in "this end of the room".
< 1345833506 340179 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed
< 1345833580 544958 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0g,:93+`#@_1+
< 1345833673 387612 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know what difference there is between properly ejecting and just yanking out an usb stick with write cache disabled, and no open files, under windows 7? I know there is one (long story, can tell it if you want), but I don't know what it is.
< 1345833727 684811 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the universe implodes if you remove usb devices without completing the wizard
< 1345833738 827355 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what wizard?
< 1345833747 672516 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the eject devices wizard?
< 1345833767 658988 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, eh, no need for that thing on windows 7, you can just right click the device in explorer and select eject
< 1345833831 909583 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, anyway there is a difference, in one case the embedded controller we use at work accepts it to load the code from, in the other it doesn't.
< 1345833832 94743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: "Output character on row 0, column corresponding to top of stack; if TOS > 12, stop; otherwise increment by 1 and continue"?
< 1345833856 998441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quine, then? 
< 1345833924 46375 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A random quine from the web
< 1345833957 469955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very reasonable, though I suppose a purist would say a g-quine is just boring.
< 1345833977 121909 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huh?
< 1345833988 701198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Huh? 
< 1345833999 522324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I mean, Vorpal: Huh?
< 1345834009 818208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Huh.)
< 1345834015 973468 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :g?
< 1345834025 809730 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goedel?
< 1345834026 254943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: One that uses 'g'.
< 1345834029 147602 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why would a g-quine be boring?
< 1345834030 684418 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1345834055 337219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Too easy," I believe is the reasoning.
< 1345834065 659402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it can just read the source.
< 1345834079 433155 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1345834101 675117 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1345834109 576867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that the "-based ones are really any unboringer, I suppose.
< 1345834132 584271 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to yet write a quine
< 1345834184 551439 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I had an interesting idea related to quines a while ago, but I can't remember what it was
< 1345834259 512006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: If you still have a binary of your idea, and it's related to quines enough, maybe running it will recover the original idea.
< 1345834271 750552 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the idea was only in my head
< 1345834292 441089 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Was it a program that prints a program in another language, that prints the original program?
< 1345834313 902986 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't have been because I've read about programs like that before
< 1345834327 209626 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they're pretty cool
< 1345834369 865636 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby → Python → Perl → Lua → OCaml → Haskell → C → Java → Brainfuck → Whitespace → Unlambda
< 1345834373 203624 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then back to Ruby
< 1345834472 407484 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :once the program has managed to get out of ruby, why would it want to get back?
< 1345834492 388400 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1345834522 608321 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :To escape Unlambda?
< 1345834564 648773 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, do you have a link to that quine?
< 1345834746 556753 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://d.hatena.ne.jp/ku-ma-me/20090916/p1
< 1345834792 422043 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1345834889 862515 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's surprisingly short
< 1345835035 665214 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wc -c says 1945 bytes
< 1345835109 987256 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have ruby, ocaml or lua installed, so meh
< 1345835124 579163 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do I have a whitespace interpreter
< 1345835170 451554 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby 1.9 seems to error on it
< 1345835184 992990 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1345836210 904457 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-194-61.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345836244 489527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345836289 408397 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts
< 1345836293 626573 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts
< 1345836323 703160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all empathize with your tourette's, kmc 
< 1345836334 140826 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't
< 1345836346 13265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except olsner 
< 1345836360 410886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because he's swedish
< 1345836370 584599 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that code supposed to have yen symbols all over
< 1345836375 41318 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is this some character encoding fuckery
< 1345836382 256605 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that could be backslashes
< 1345836394 630441 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they are actually backslashes
< 1345836401 325492 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact when i copy-paste one it's a backslash, wtf
< 1345836410 546929 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-194-61.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1345836423 529693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard about that japanese encoding quirk before
< 1345836425 982112 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-219-65.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345836440 30868 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they assigned characters just before backslash became the second most useful character in ascii
< 1345836442 818051 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1345836473 773778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well backslash _is_ one of characters that was commonly nationalized
< 1345836476 897004 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-194-61.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345836483 669010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[|]{\} afair
< 1345836502 527453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think \ was used for Ø in norway
< 1345836508 915642 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :us stages coup in iran in response to nationalizing backslash
< 1345836532 252572 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infamous backslash backlash
< 1345836544 924731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i see you've nationalized backslash to mean oil
< 1345836575 581541 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo '[|]{\}' | iconv -f iso646-no
< 1345836575 987292 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÆøÅæØå
< 1345836629 430615 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main() æ printf("Hei, verden!Øn"); å
< 1345836637 544424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1345836639 614147 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting! iso646-se gives ÄöÅäÖå
< 1345836671 673503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: which means they used consistent encodings rather than going by each alphabet's order
< 1345836680 466145 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's like from the 7-bit days?
< 1345836683 943216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1345836697 550544 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, ISO 646 is the international standard for ASCII and its variants
< 1345836725 87375 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-.875
< 1345836753 622915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are there any interesting theorems in plain typed-lambda-calculus Curry-Howard?
< 1345836769 727486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :callcc not included.
< 1345836795 89762 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is also why [\] are considered to be upper-case versions of {|} by some IRCds
< 1345836812 814010 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are ÄÖÅ and äöå respectively in iso646-fi
< 1345836831 408566 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :)
< 1345836906 679124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: simply typed lambda calculus is equivalent to intuitionistic propositional logic restricted to -> afaik.
< 1345836920 902702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right.
< 1345836940 879405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a theorem _about_ it is that it is PSPACE-complete to check propositions for theoremhood
< 1345836964 886901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlike NP-completeness for boolean logic)
< 1345837019 188706 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD953D1.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345837121 199811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if it would make a good puzzle game on its own if expressed in the right way.
< 1345837127 736409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I couldn't think of many interesting puzzles.
< 1345837141 680913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be on the level of sokoban, by complexity alone
< 1345837172 508138 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you see http://logitext.mit.edu/main
< 1345837181 650556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make puzzles that are a lot of work to solve, but I'm wondering if you can make ones that are interesting.
< 1345837209 610883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polymorphism and rank-n types and so on can be permitted if they make it more interesting.
< 1345837213 320817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope.
< 1345837285 371472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :polymorphism means at least hindley-milner, so doubly exponential time iirc
< 1345837295 936270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's ezyang's thing.
< 1345837305 217929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He may have mentioned it before.
< 1345837312 942874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was reddited
< 1345837321 376751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed that.
< 1345838130 163679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that sort of proof with turnstiles and \frac{...}{...} pretty hard to read.
< 1345838187 414780 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345838397 488457 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345838459 184917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: made a comment out of our earlier discussion http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/ypyx4/why_does_print_readint_getline_return_an_ioio/c5y85z4?context=1
< 1345838486 170083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had a discussion?
< 1345838494 137054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a brief one :P
< 1345838498 596466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes.
< 1345838515 339462 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something tells me that in C++, allocating sizeof(SomeClass) bytes and then casting the result to SomeClass* is a bad way of creating an object.
< 1345838544 278867 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't create an object; the constructor doesn't get called
< 1345838548 331054 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can use placement new for that
< 1345838596 533080 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it.
< 1345838648 22444 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SomeClass *x = malloc(sizeof(SomeClass)); new (x) SomeClass();
< 1345838661 510919 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :allocating and casting is a bad way, but it's not illegal or anything
< 1345838681 651262 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, i don’t think i’ve ever seen that syntax.
< 1345838694 115439 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's undefined behavior, unless the object is Plain Old Data
< 1345838711 14735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Placement new is undefined behavior?
< 1345838719 386726 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :using an object without calling the constructor
< 1345838727 9527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1345838729 490838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense.
< 1345838744 345455 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if there's no explicit constructor code, there might be other stuff that needs to happen behind the scenes
< 1345838753 195068 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example an object with virtual methods will likely need a vtable pointer
< 1345838764 606460 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I meant with placement-new to call the constructor, otherwise you're obviously getting uninitialized bytes anyway
< 1345838802 816949 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you're okay with all the explicitly named data fields being uninitialized, it's still undefined behavior
< 1345838809 62727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it valid to cast it in one place and then use placement new in another place?
< 1345838834 818390 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, but not 100% sure
< 1345838851 951615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SomeClass *x = malloc(...); doesn't compile, by the way (I think).
< 1345838860 582220 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, not in C++
< 1345838886 629110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Do you know the syntax "foo.template bar()"?
< 1345838905 707640 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq/placement-new.html
< 1345838965 948504 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :void Foo::reset() { this->~Foo(); new (this) Foo(); }
< 1345839004 561397 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww, destroying this and then constructing a new object in the same place
< 1345839021 590215 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345839051 940470 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm beginning to wonder why, exactly, I'm using malloc() for objects at all...
< 1345839116 941707 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a thing to do for no particular reason
< 1345839130 779222 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Nope
< 1345839135 129515 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to do that safely you can implement new to call malloc instead
< 1345839146 349267 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, most likely that's exactly the implementation you already have
< 1345839176 616442 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm declaring a class representing a header.  I'm then allocating enough memory to hold the header and some additional data, then creating the header, and putting a pointer to the additional data in the header.
< 1345839179 157852 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's even more fun is that you can overload "operator new"
< 1345839193 196101 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only benefit to this is that the header and the data are next to each other.
< 1345839198 375391 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that within "new (x) SomeClass()", x could be an object rather than a raw pointer
< 1345839203 195831 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :such an object can implement a memory pool
< 1345839206 244098 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq/memory-pools.html
< 1345839224 211935 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can also overload new in SomeClass such that new SomeClass does that
< 1345839232 187516 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't think it's at al important that the header and the data be next to each other.  The computer doesn't care too much.
< 1345839249 78366 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there is no placement delete, overriding placement new is limitedly useful
< 1345839287 535192 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Placement delete...
< 1345839298 261101 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remove a specific object from a specific location?
< 1345839339 756054 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, delete-with-custom-arguments is more what I meant
< 1345839340 436505 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, it lets you implement memory pools, and overloading "operator delete" plays an important role in that
< 1345839353 38183 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the link i just gave explains how
< 1345839366 323923 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can define a delete operator with arguments, but afaik it's impossible to call it
< 1345839402 345312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Presumably you can use the regular delete operator, since you know where the pool is.
< 1345839553 536026 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if you're willing to waste a pointer for each allocation you can store the Pool* there and override global delete
< 1345839645 216595 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, you can define and use a hundred news each with different frobs and wobnickles, but you don't really know which of them are known by delete foo
< 1345839760 597771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you see http://byorgey.wordpress.com/2012/08/24/unordered-tuples-and-type-algebra/ ?
< 1345839772 305231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't remember if you were involved in the discussion about that a while ago.)
< 1345839782 231700 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There.  Now I'm doing this the non-stupid way instead of the stupid way.
< 1345839801 129173 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of allocating the whole thing at once and using placement new, I'm just using malloc() on the individual pieces individually.
< 1345839805 239884 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :overrides of "placement delete" *look* like they'll do the right thing, but they only actually get called when constructors throw
< 1345839878 69804 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no
< 1345840107 50236 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345840841 254706 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1345841713 245462 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, now we've got a simple object system.
< 1345841723 364136 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one object, called Class, of type Class.
< 1345841796 26620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very classy system
< 1345841830 738133 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess classes ought to have superclasses.  Class's superclass will probably be Object.  Object's class can also be Class, and Object's superclass can also be Object.
< 1345841851 266122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :will there be a method?
< 1345841864 73203 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, metaclasses are pretty much mandatory.
< 1345841870 722898 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There will be methods at some point.
< 1345841909 456069 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a classless society
< 1345842169 196622 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need an assless society
< 1345842238 106544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a lassless society
< 1345842405 312863 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need a lossless society.
< 1345842421 302553 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The extra bandwidth and disk space required would be worth the increase in reliability.
< 1345842967 736787 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :JathObject*& JathClassObject::superclass() {return strongPtrs[SUPERCLASS];}
< 1345842980 687514 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't shake the feeling that I'm doing something horribly wrong.
< 1345843170 747680 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :j_Class_class->_class = j_Class;
< 1345843173 857947 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Class" is no longer a word.
< 1345843182 762174 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a program to figure out when the wait at the Registry of Motor Vehicles will be shortest
< 1345843300 465676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: now investigate what will happen if _everyone_ uses such a program.
< 1345843345 536296 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345843732 874417 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably, it would not increase or decrease the speed at which people are served, so it would probably make everyone's wait time the same.
< 1345843762 554277 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that it would eliminate times at which there are no customers.
< 1345843780 566134 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so we've got objects, which have classes; and classes, which are objects and have superclasses.
< 1345843813 430534 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well most people have constraints on when they can go
< 1345843836 421579 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1345843880 692655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How does it figure that out?
< 1345844160 618063 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the RMV lists wait times on their website
< 1345844175 750677 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated every minute or so
< 1345844189 727434 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed it's available in an extremely scrapeable AJAXy format at http://www.massdot.state.ma.us/DesktopModules/BranchMapDNN/GetWaitTimes.aspx?Town=Boston
< 1345844470 340223 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is bike share all over Cambridge now
< 1345844683 171033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work?
< 1345844715 504573 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which?
< 1345844743 591146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike share.
< 1345844755 869061 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thehubway.com/
< 1345844761 708741 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as most city bike share programs
< 1345844771 354216 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have stations around the city with electronically-locking bike racks
< 1345844806 530013 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pay for a subscription (1 day, 3 days, or 1 year), which gives you the right to check out a bike for 30 minutes for free
< 1345844809 373624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, they had something similar in Tel Aviv when I was most recently there.
< 1345844813 936125 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can return it to a different station than the one where you got it)
< 1345844820 934661 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pay more if you want more than 30 min
< 1345844839 974699 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bikes are kinda crap though
< 1345844848 300286 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they have no solution for helmets
< 1345844856 662656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1345844910 239557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I ended up using the thing in Tel Aviv.)
< 1345844933 240642 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could actually use this, since my bike is broken at the moment
< 1345844933 528299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was my experience.
< 1345844960 257672 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was your experience?
< 1345844966 385287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also once they didn't have enough bicycles at a station, so we had to manage with two bicycles for three people.
< 1345844974 259599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bicycles weren't very good and we didn't use helmets. :-)
< 1345844978 255662 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds inconvenient
< 1345845040 225731 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the amount of tourist-gouging in the pricing is always entertaining
< 1345845065 91125 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a yearly pass costs the same as 17 day passes
< 1345845086 36674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't seem unreasonable.
< 1345845104 430273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ought to get a bicycle.

< 1345845109 232379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have a bicycle. But it's in WA.
< 1345845172 939954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :west antarctica
< 1345845280 386255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code like "cmpq $36,%rax; jl .Lc1jq; cmpq $36,%rax; jne .Lc1jo" is redundant, right?
< 1345845326 467123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the second cmpq
< 1345845349 387232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least to me it seem it is but I don't know exactly how the instructions operate.
< 1345845350 769697 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For no good reason I've been contemplating Brainfuck stuff again.
< 1345845359 700223 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :down that path lies only pain
< 1345845366 753833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another possibility is if the second cmpq is a jump target
< 1345845383 457923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What kind of Brainfuck stuff?
< 1345845388 500533 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, how to get a really damned compact threaded code compilation of it.
< 1345845388 646629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's true, but I assume it would have a label in that case.
< 1345845423 843447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes I would think so. But without seeing the rest of the program I wouldn't know for sure.
< 1345845436 752745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: This is code being generated by GHC.
< 1345845465 598175 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which backend?
< 1345845490 292152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The default one.
< 1345845494 309103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fasm, I guess.
< 1345845500 760649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this is one of the optimizations that -fllvm would do.
< 1345845510 13561 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does GHC ever compile a code where jump target addresses are computed from arithmetic?
< 1345845528 577469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, then you should complain about such a code like you wrote
< 1345845612 251270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it looks like -fllvm generates similar code.
< 1345845678 854992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it generate a LLVM code or a native code, though?
< 1345845696 720128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the x86 code generated by LLVM.
< 1345845702 818948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just looking at the output of ghc-core here.
< 1345845748 303445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then improve LLVM. LLVM seem to be missing many optimizations as far as I know.
< 1345845754 972387 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, I've got a single byte *ludicrously* packed. Next, I'm trying to figure out how I can get loops more compactly expressed...
< 1345845778 22897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet pikhq can fit a byte into 7 bits.
< 1345845781 847473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 on a good day.
< 1345845786 9946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Explain more specifically?
< 1345845794 193861 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all comes down to how hard you shove
< 1345845801 395494 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm thinking is that each loop can get expressed as a function, and any loops with identical bodies are the same function...
< 1345845849 676948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to make program to compile a brainfuck code into another program?
< 1345845920 182947 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Two bits indicate whether you've got a tape add, a movement, or something else. If it's something else, then we've got the rest of the bits to express that. Otherwise, the rest of the bits indicate how much you add to the tape cell, or how far you need to move.
< 1345845942 570873 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Trying to get it to a ludicrously compact expression for no good reason *at all*.
< 1345845961 570678 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: For, like, an interpreter or something.
< 1345845963 983543 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK. Yes that makes sense and I have thought of similar things too, and possibly some other people have also done something similar.
< 1345845985 320202 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's silly, but it's Friday and I don't have much else going on. So. :P
< 1345846029 677219 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, with just compacting the opcodes like that I've got LostKng.b in 216k.
< 1345846072 16135 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been told that LLVM will not optimize brainfuck programs very good compared to other programs, perhaps optimization of pointer arithmetic and so on?
< 1345846089 743650 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think making it so loop bodies only ever get expressed once could do better still...
< 1345846197 946272 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-19.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345846211 497589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other ideas I have thought of for optimization in LLVM would be constraint analysis, BCD optimization (for target architectures which support it), analysis of representation of enumerations, etc
< 1345846221 331729 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as shoving references to particularly common ones inside of the byte, so e.g. [-] could be a single byte per instance as well as 2 more bytes per program.
< 1345846228 521743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And self-modifying code, too.
< 1345846259 735040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: You could also make [-] a special case if it would seem to help
< 1345846279 412989 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the only benefit this would have, of course, is letting you run LostKng.b from L1. :P
< 1345846296 45577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Another optimization is that sequences -+ +- <> >< +, -, should never occur.
< 1345846307 149329 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I already handle those.
< 1345846324 563892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<>< is very fishy brainfuck
< 1345846329 757812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore the packed representation should become unable to represent such sequences.
< 1345846345 654498 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the packed representation is theoretically capable of it.
< 1345846367 167324 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's never actually expressed.
< 1345846388 832455 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-110.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1345846417 640627 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I'm done with this I'll probably make a simple interpreter, and have a LostKng binary in $tiny.
< 1345846547 918313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew, Stripe stroped.
< 1345846626 144544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I was thinking of is to make a Famicom-based software synthesizer in .NSF, possibly using FDS and MMC5 expansions so that you can use the 8-bit PCM, hardware multiplication, and extra RAM (using FDS expansion makes most of the ROM area into RAM, so combining it with PCM reading from the ROM area you might be able to make RAM PCM too).
< 1345846881 391653 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. And gzip'd, LostKng is 40k after this...
< 1345846881 768623 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ?
< 1345846895 682029 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(vs. 88k otherwise)
< 1345847033 654269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: As in, "done".
< 1345847183 928709 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats
< 1345847204 118506 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what stripe
< 1345847215 424703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I need to get back to that.
< 1345847333 252216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :May contain strawberries | Just a remote control and some old gum | atriq is Taneb, just so you know | any topic history can be faked | except this | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1345847339 862675 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: stripe-ctf.com i assume
< 1345847507 288806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The above, yes.
< 1345848515 480872 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had some fun levels
< 1345848521 906121 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i learned more than in the previous ctf
< 1345848563 80778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ditto, due to the different topic.
< 1345848574 599533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Which solution did you have for level 6?
< 1345848625 419034 :ion!ion@heh.fi TOPIC #esoteric :May contain strawberries | Soy strawberries are more ethical | Just a remote control and some old gum | atriq is Taneb, just so you know | any topic history can be faked | except this | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1345848636 122940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A script-embedderistic one.
< 1345848667 72437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so the same as mine, I assume.
< 1345848670 926437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc did something else.
< 1345848717 579096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I saw a mention in the interwebs that there was a cookie-mungling-with-secrets-from-error-message solution that the Stripe folks patched out (by disabling the error messages in question).
< 1345848731 686971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, that.
< 1345848750 166510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ☝
< 1345848773 587241 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what i did
< 1345848979 661906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca TOPIC #esoteric :May contain: soy strawberries, people, computer programming, esoteric, THX deep note, ecliptic longitude, some CPU bugs, nonsensical analogies and theories, constructible with compass and ruler, matrix of solidity, lovecraftian horrors, and no tea. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
< 1345849177 676730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no tea? how naughty.
< 1345849207 818768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :May contain tea, and no tea.
< 1345849238 635440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want tea you have to make tea.
< 1345849261 471188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: O, yes, I forgot that now you have to fix it
< 1345849360 291936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie TOPIC #esoteric :May contain: soy strawberries, people, computer programming, esoteric, THX deep note, ecliptic longitude, tea, some CPU bugs, nonsensical analogies and theories, constructible with compass and ruler, matrix of solidity, lovecraftian horrors, and no tea. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
< 1345849373 532958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put it in the middle in order to not be as obvious.
< 1345849377 620188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1345849382 393528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is good put it middle
< 1345849393 232789 :ion!ion@heh.fi TOPIC #esoteric :May contain: soy strawberries, people, computer programming, esoteric, THX deep note, ecliptic longitude, tea, some CPU bugs, nonsensical analogies and theories, constructible with compass and ruler, matrices of solidity, lovecraftian horrors, and no Ice-T. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
< 1345849441 386234 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Mr. T
< 1345849538 88789 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr. ⊤
< 1345849553 590555 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about Mr. F?
< 1345849559 337662 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345849578 481412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr. ⊤ and Mr. ⊥
< 1345849943 196299 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-79-136.asm.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mister Bottom?
< 1345849945 690089 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got asked if monoid is pronounced "monowid".
< 1345849974 817165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: When I first read the word, I pronounced it "mono'ID"
< 1345849977 867714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a glottal stop.
< 1345849985 320084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably because I was talking in Hebrew at the time.
< 1345850273 973827 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mono id or mono eye dee?
< 1345850292 93379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former (I think).
< 1345850301 529686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The capitalization was for emphasis.
< 1345850309 549336 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1345850418 946589 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-79-136.asm.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mon Oyd.
< 1345850750 473204 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i should do the script embedding attack for level 6
< 1345850752 116436 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for completeness
< 1345850777 685525 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the last CTF i used a timing attack on the last level, which was also not what they were looking for :)
< 1345850801 116506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It was, I think.
< 1345850849 582976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I gather that they decided that the "impressive" solutions were the ones that used timing attacks and the "unimpressive" ones were the ones that were deterministic.
< 1345850877 582332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least everyone I talked to who did a timing attack got a responds within a few hours, whereas it took them several days to get back to me.
< 1345850908 78458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is kind of backwards because the timing attack is the "obvious" thing to do -- it's what I started out by doing -- and the deterministic solution is much more situation-specific.
< 1345851018 884677 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the timing attack is harder to actually get working, i think
< 1345851040 11837 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was relatively easy for me, only because i had already spent days banging my head against a similar level in IO
< 1345851089 2669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It probably was. But that means I allocated my time better!
< 1345851090 496705 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm entertained by the list of programming challenges on https://stripe.com/jobs
< 1345851098 707245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular the MBR demo?
< 1345851120 238135 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-86.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345851131 685656 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1345851138 556925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent a while on the timing attack, it turned out to be trickier than I thought, so I thought about the problem again and came up with the pipe solution.
< 1345851141 54632 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the code search one, which is probably inspired by nelhage doing that exactly
< 1345851142 468740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION might just be bitter.

< 1345851249 899963 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had like four tricks for making the timing attack more effective
< 1345851257 377153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds interesting.
< 1345851258 106576 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i thought of over days, and asked nelhage for one of them
< 1345851269 412116 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i list them?
< 1345851276 477388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do io.sts. :-(
< 1345851276 623532 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might write a blog post about this eventually
< 1345851284 922579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which level has the timing attack?
< 1345851291 198523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which level was I at?)
< 1345851297 174694 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12.
< 1345851307 661932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I'm no good at coming back to CTFs.
< 1345851324 148158 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 is also really fun
< 1345851331 754556 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't finish IO yet
< 1345851351 401136 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i beat the last level, in beta test
< 1345851414 432714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should run the underhanded code contest and then turn the solutions into CTF levels!
< 1345851647 320572 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also amused because i think the answer to the first question is given in _The Social Network_
< 1345851709 629902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Given a corpus of voting data, how would you compute a total ordering?"
< 1345851720 966621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/?/
< 1345851810 542981 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :voting data being pairwise comparisons
< 1345851826 329554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen the film.
< 1345852081 148052 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuckerberg made a website where it shows you two Harvard women and you click on which one is hotter
< 1345852094 481797 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (in the film anyway) they calculated Elo ratings from this
< 1345852637 221651 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-19.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345852644 322106 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-139-23.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345852847 794904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFlhi
< 1345852887 974913 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1345852903 244288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just saying hi to FireFly.
< 1345852907 701857 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1345852920 912419 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :A shachaf 
< 1345852944 42909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:01  i prefer to say c/c++ because of the ability to overlap
< 1345852978 574102 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1345854100 792884 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to keep track of all the different shootings in america these days
< 1345854124 372962 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like practically every day some guy fires a gun into a crowd to let off some steam
< 1345854176 820145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-celebrates-full-week-without-deadly-mass-sh,29293/
< 1345854782 434917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should quit #haskell.
< 1345854849 94148 :Nisstyre_!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345854930 86208 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A fired women's apparel designer shot dead a former colleague outside the Empire State Building in New York City before he was killed by police.
< 1345854930 271213 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nine others were hit by bullets, some possibly fired by police, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said."
< 1345854958 554926 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frankly hitting the right person at least 10% of the time is impressive for someone who couldn't even cut it as a women's apparel designer.
< 1345854968 942762 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345854997 488575 :yours_truly!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345855001 107090 :Nisstyre_!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345855035 903611 :yours_truly!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345855053 64113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good, we can't have clones wandering about in the channel.
< 1345855078 714155 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345855090 924821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1345855192 335870 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345855250 316483 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i bet some of the best marks[wo]men in the world would be terrible at women's apparel designing
< 1345855349 714829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Goodnight
< 1345855622 947090 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Facebook just announced that Frank Gehry of Gehry Partners... will design a new 3,400 employee engineering campus connected to its current HQ by an underground tunnel."
< 1345855626 115112 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaha suckers
< 1345855695 277680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1345855740 263497 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he designed the Stata Center
< 1345855740 972283 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_and_Maria_Stata_Center
< 1345855743 949929 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which shachaf has been inside)
< 1345855758 440430 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cool looking building, but it sucks at those boringly pedestrian building tasks
< 1345855764 925280 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as "keeping water on the outside of the building"
< 1345855767 736046 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "being navigable"
< 1345855878 498467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MIT campus is pretty nice.
< 1345855892 949636 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1345855898 203283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked it more than most other university campuses I've seen.
< 1345855898 609694 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw a bunny behind stata once
< 1345855902 50376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is admittedly not that many.
< 1345855911 558311 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool how it's integrated with urban Cambridge and by extension Boston
< 1345855982 450607 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most college campuses i've been to are more like their own little worlds
< 1345855991 685969 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there's selection bias there
< 1345856002 638345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Stanford campus especially.
< 1345856012 1789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because it's so big.
< 1345856014 852274 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i have walked around NYU buildings a whole lot without thinking "oh, i'm at NYU"
< 1345856118 516394 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stanford's campus seems annoyingly large
< 1345856129 937707 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :caltech's campus is nicely compact
< 1345856143 736114 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have biked from one corner to the other in about 4 minutes (recklessly)
< 1345856554 433962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read _Cat's Cradle_?
< 1345856574 10231 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1345856588 90870 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahaha, Oracle markets Solaris 11 as “The First Cloud OS”
< 1345856625 271998 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :loloracle
< 1345858092 307619 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (itidus21 mode engage) it's interesting that the global standard for distributing networked applications evolved from a system for distributing mere hypertext documents
< 1345858110 122427 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the meantime so many attempts at a deliberate standard for networked applications failed
< 1345858120 860696 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there is any deep truth behind this or if it's just historical accident
< 1345858218 980896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most of those attempts were "before their time" in various ways.
< 1345858222 896202 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1345858230 672877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some technical and some social.
< 1345858234 226105 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :java plugins failed and so now we have flash instead :(
< 1345858247 47759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas distributing documents is something that people have always done and wanted.
< 1345858250 402358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is it?)
< 1345858253 868981 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i think so
< 1345858287 678388 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the web's evolution means there was no particular point where some particular entity owned it, and could force bad technology to drive short-sighted business value
< 1345858316 371326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Did any of the "standards for networked applications" have that property?
< 1345858331 670166 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know
< 1345858336 291411 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm failing to come up with examples
< 1345858346 688258 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java plugins are one (even if they piggybacked on the pre-application Web)
< 1345858356 626007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was NeWS in the good old days.
< 1345858359 494686 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the various proprietary online services like AOL
< 1345858371 109373 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about NeWS
< 1345858373 609460 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it?
< 1345858404 935116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS
< 1345858412 603743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "AJAX" but with PostScript.
< 1345858426 285054 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting
< 1345858430 133068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Server-side applications that delivered Display PostScript code to clients.
< 1345858447 484432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used it or anything but I gather it was pretty nice, at least in theory.
< 1345858465 283931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether PostScript is better or worse than HTML+CSS+JavaScript.
< 1345858485 906840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeWS was in the 1980s, anyway.
< 1345858517 718067 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, i can wikipedia something even if i can't google it
< 1345858610 116853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what it wolud take to replace web applications these days.
< 1345858626 258466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope something does. :-(
< 1345858677 882685 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1345858685 258390 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a pretty good outcome
< 1345858688 874033 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to the alternatives
< 1345858697 404980 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(real and hypothetical)
< 1345858713 782645 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you designed something to be what web apps today are, and beautifully elegant
< 1345858721 500965 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people would immediately start abusing it to do all kinds of other things
< 1345859046 255508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Se "FreeT" in edwardkese is "Stream" in GHCese.
< 1345859079 609662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's true. I hate evolution sometimes. :-(
< 1345859093 628115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In a general sense of the word.)
< 1345859095 730760 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-226-205.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345859132 887407 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the web app stack is pretty sane compared to a lot of the things people have to deal with
< 1345859136 329699 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ask me again in 6 months ;)
< 1345859150 794466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah.
< 1345859163 20073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess everything people build abstractions on top of is pretty insane.
< 1345859258 249004 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flickr.com/photos/25885309@N02/2431709647/in/set-72157604661612578/lightbox/
< 1345859286 171837 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-139-23.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1345859394 169836 :mig21a!~mig@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345861957 377495 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345862058 241496 :mig21a!~mig@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1345862281 217606 :mig21a!~mig@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345862721 3812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I prefer "FreeT" (if it is the FreeT which I think of)
< 1345862751 137672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Stream m a b = Stream { runStream :: m (Either b (a, Stream m a b)) }
< 1345862877 245126 :mig21a!~mig@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi
< 1345863156 5322 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-110.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345863184 718819 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-226-205.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345863750 885717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is similar to the FreeT. In this case:  type Stream m a = FreeT ((,) a) m
< 1345863786 305290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, isn't Stream just = FreeT?
< 1345864119 922073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No!
< 1345864133 826547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk said it was.
< 1345864255 407534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is edwardk on? Mention these thing see what they would say.
< 1345864272 972046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That type Stream is not even the correct kind to be a monad transformer, though.
< 1345864392 293743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess it is FreeT of (,) or something.
< 1345864586 782415 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how in television and movies, any time a fire alarm goes off, the sprinklers go off too
< 1345864795 853003 :mig21a!~mig@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345864922 873958 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345865313 959401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Make up a TV show that doesn't have sprinklers.
< 1345865373 950733 :mig21a!~mig@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi
< 1345865568 590073 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-95.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345865588 813640 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-110.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1345866754 985945 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer freezes momentarily when I put headphones in. HOW IS THAT EVEN A THING THAT SOFTWARE NOTICES?
< 1345867118 101826 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why shouldn't it be? it is useful information
< 1345867157 840612 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, many phones will pause playback when you unplug your headphones
< 1345867180 590994 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this prevents the situation where the headphones fall out, it plays through the speaker, and now everyone in the room hears your shitty embarassing music
< 1345867215 66259 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is useful to have different volume settings for speaker and headphones
< 1345867227 122540 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but that could be accomplished by sending both settings to the sound card, without the driver finding out which one is in use)
< 1345867275 765092 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop has the headphone jack on the edge closest to my abdomen / crotch
< 1345867286 904908 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my headphone plug sticks out several cm
< 1345867290 40362 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is annoying
< 1345868011 66635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC and "base" code uses a surprising number of type classes.
< 1345868731 784014 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-29.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345869571 410595 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345869621 382035 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345869854 710474 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345869881 314366 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345870167 333103 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345870704 198487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the m-lift macro in the moand library someone wrote for Clojure (corresponding to a liftM*). afaict in Clojure it doesn't need to be a macro, due to variadic functions
< 1345870875 415227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even have to be a monad it can be applicative: liftA, liftA2, liftA3, etc. With a functor it has be one, but applicative it can be zero or more. (This was actually also my idea for a function in WizardCard; map(f,x...) where there can be exactly one x for functor and zero or more x for applicative. I intended WizardCard to compile into Haskell. However I might change some things since I may need help too)
< 1345871011 582780 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could have   liftA0 = pure
< 1345871106 311662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or unit :: m () and (*) :: m a -> m b -> m (a,b)
< 1345871178 644797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I have thought of those things too. Your (*) I have made for applicative,  liftPair :: (f x, f y) -> f (x, y)
< 1345871260 196330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's defined thus in the original Applicative paper.
< 1345871267 984067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strong lax monoidal functors.
< 1345871269 653636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or somethign.
< 1345871318 930890 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought of to define applicative in terms of a endofunctor together with pure and liftPair for a tensor category.
< 1345871355 846079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore applicatives can exist on tensor categories.
< 1345871373 538031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :End o' fun ctor.
< 1345871374 980083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1345871532 140086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, depending on the category you may be able to make the applicative from any monad.
< 1345871556 576100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you do that anyway?
< 1345871593 978476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think you can with any category, but you can with Haskell, and some other categories.
< 1345871679 440201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you can make a backward applicative from applicatives in any category, though, if you define the product of the tensor category backward.
< 1345872062 158805 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone made applicative or functor stuff for Clojure at this point
< 1345872076 562434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are meaningless without functors though
< 1345872113 37210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since first you need a category, and you need endofunctors, and then add return and join to make a monad.
< 1345872146 266897 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure has map, it's probably user-extendible, not sure if the various monad libraries do that
< 1345873132 405477 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345873755 350415 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345873954 56381 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345874338 425260 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345874694 814480 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-29.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: begone
< 1345876005 914267 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345876645 276849 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-226-162.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345876653 135380 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-95.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345876992 306525 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345877044 845253 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1345877594 246116 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-231.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345877605 152684 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-226-162.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1345880628 815621 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1345881271 955355 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to be funny:
< 1345881279 59849 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of the funniest real-life thing that you've heard of
< 1345881282 732064 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tone it down a notch
< 1345881498 101585 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you try to use the funniest thing without toning it down, people will be unable to suspend disbelief)
< 1345881601 176573 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345881779 734709 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-147-17.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345881786 182398 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-231.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1345883269 78333 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345884555 19 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to access http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/4e1f782be5ba2841 but I hate this Google Groups it won't work can this Usenet message be accessed without a web page?
< 1345884629 395951 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. the new google groups doesn't work with links2
< 1345884751 514567 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should they put a proper Usenet link?
< 1345885233 715935 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345885607 967449 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/4e1f782be5ba2841?dmode=source&output=gplain&noredirect ?
< 1345885696 229583 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what browser are you using?
< 1345886195 535126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345886216 488664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works although it looks like the email addresses in the header are cut off.
< 1345886262 355995 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably to hide them from spambots; you need to answer a captcha on the HTML + JavaScript page to view them there.
< 1345886449 498070 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-86.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345886699 497344 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O there's a new version of Factor
< 1345886704 287284 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess it's not dead yet
< 1345886946 637471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a pop-up saying "Please respond with 4:05. This iPad promotion can be awarded to another visitor if you don�t participate."
< 1345886964 805248 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to wait a bit before closing it, I want to see what happens when it times out
< 1345887018 856671 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, afaict, looks like it's going to go back to the original amount of time
< 1345887139 935996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't they all.
< 1345887194 925790 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Went from 0:00 to 5:00.
< 1345887212 73285 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who would do something like this, just go on the Internet and tell lies?
< 1345887236 704621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil people, Sgeo 
< 1345887272 218856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You.
< 1345887277 309631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345887286 226921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you respond you will be kidnapped and become a slave in their sweatshops.  _after_ "giving" them your personal savings.
< 1345887726 622523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1345889083 399538 :cheater_!~cheater@p57AEA01F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345889256 979298 :cheater!~cheater@p4FD0E552.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1345890854 677921 :chickenzilla!~chicken@88-190-32-81.rev.dedibox.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345892238 729696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1345892912 646219 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-46.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345892928 545685 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-147-17.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1345893055 138871 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I appear to have started a flame war in #haskell
< 1345893074 741777 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott  I appear to have started a flame war in #haskell
< 1345893074 897313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1345893244 825827 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.56.55 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345893551 954617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345893644 123175 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noez.
< 1345894675 442991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1345894773 877952 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, probably referring to  I appear to have started a flame war in #haskell
< 1345894780 936507 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-145-167.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345894946 188241 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-86.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1345896248 442012 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-228-215.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345896397 613616 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-145-167.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1345896695 945613 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cheats

< 1345896699 8444 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src ap
< 1345896699 255390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap = liftM2 id
< 1345896710 790107 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I think I've checked that before
< 1345896722 289143 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src liftM2
< 1345896722 446409 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 f m1 m2 = do { x1 <- m1; x2 <- m2; return (f x1 x2) }
< 1345896783 949774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@. pl undo do { x1 <- m1; x2 <- m2; return (f x1 x2) }
< 1345896784 134170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`fmap` m2) . f =<< m1
< 1345896791 391727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That bot is the best.
< 1345896798 748961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hope fungot didn't hear.)
< 1345896800 751479 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ossian, character of the perfect historian is he in the ecclesiastical history of scotland. the parliament of the united states? is there a debt which had long slept a deep sleep, has been, a real alliance between the two indian members on the executive council, in charge of the criminals made such arrangements that the carriages reached tours at two in the morning, to st john's church, fnord fnord a cabinet so variousl
< 1345896912 996619 :Guest31873!sheeyath00@106.213.72.119 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345896971 595729 :Guest31873!sheeyath00@106.213.72.119 PART :#esoteric
< 1345897023 406761 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1345897034 607538 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1345897035 98768 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches* ss wp youtube
< 1345897040 97818 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style discworld
< 1345897040 592657 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books)
< 1345897170 734703 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1345897171 743816 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: ' did they hurt you?" she said, for a start we're going straight to the jelly.
< 1345897187 954179 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Straight to the jelly
< 1345897578 209907 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345898018 530835 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95BC2.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345898576 612929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a start.
< 1345899101 347918 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345899842 468826 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1345900222 351001 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-228-215.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345900839 327558 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-132-229.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345901027 869924 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. I now have code under my name at github.
< 1345901691 218813 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345902975 387994 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1345902976 441995 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: 27. file://localhost/ mnt/ space/ media/ books/ 1000+sci-fi%20books/%5bebooks%5d%201000+%20sciencefiction%20%26%20fantasy%20novels%20%28.lit%20forma/ pratchett%2c%20terry/ text/ 16/ fnord scale river trireme. every flat surface had been scrubbed. the fireplace had been fnord had been deserted to start with.
< 1345902985 486278 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie
< 1345903125 742996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1345903151 465762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it has hit some dumped links.
< 1345903154 622190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How embarrassing
< 1345903159 570921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl
< 1345903160 55519 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006)
< 1345903166 896312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you have to say to that? 
< 1345903169 258325 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, because i believe in europe, that the european parliament to express its views to the council was to try to arrive at a common position to be able to reject the treaty may be used instead. ( parliament adopted the joint text. i shall not waste your time, but i wish to emphasize that we are fighting, we must now have this reform for 1999 before us in writing.
< 1345903187 822591 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1999 desperately needs a reform.
< 1345903419 551339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's reform like it's 1999.
< 1345904608 370903 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-132-229.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345905149 400632 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345905415 807061 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1345905567 409899 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-136-137.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345909974 629735 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bored
< 1345909991 975948 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1345910073 144309 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345910231 510096 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i torrent things without getting busted
< 1345910239 437430 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I2P
< 1345910252 134598 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that might be terribly slow
< 1345910291 337370 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1345910293 875168 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it compare to Tor
< 1345910298 223425 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345910311 189672 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good
< 1345910320 749295 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides the fact that it's implemented in Java
< 1345910323 722779 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually faster
< 1345910330 263356 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1345910332 721875 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I find it easier to use
< 1345910337 282243 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1345910337 496966 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it actually a problem that it's implemented in Java?
< 1345910344 260259 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just joking
< 1345910352 74776 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that wasn't actually funny
< 1345910357 343312 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct
< 1345910367 208862 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably better than C
< 1345910384 23876 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I shouldn't be saying that in here :s
< 1345910391 879287 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how do i torrent things without getting busted
< 1345910395 390892 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're getting busted?
< 1345910404 618492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Yeah, people who say things like that here tend to have... accidents.
< 1345910404 802259 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't currently torrent things
< 1345910405 124713 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, anyone know any good open source video editing programs? I need a bit more than just cut, such as tracking an object and using that as the center point (in order to stabilise the video).
< 1345910412 256133 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ISP lowers your bandwidth when you torrent
< 1345910447 433065 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is great for network programming as long as you don't mind the fact that a tiny mistake will let attackers take over your entire machine
< 1345910452 137978 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why does it need to be open source? or do you mean free?
< 1345910457 149242 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: I don’t know of any good programs, but kdenlive seemed to suck less than the others when i tried a bunch of them the last time. It still sucked badly.
< 1345910461 713352 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, well, I prefer open source, but free is okay
< 1345910468 469623 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual response from C die-hards is that anyone who ever makes a mistake is an "idiot" and has a small penis
< 1345910515 171023 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do my network programming in C++
< 1345910515 317428 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that managed languages are no safer because the compiler / VM might have a bug, anyway
< 1345910519 434726 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a couple of hours of unedited footage from a flight show.
< 1345910527 61928 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm so "lazy" that I use boost asio
< 1345910532 34267 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely need to stabilise it by tracking the aircraft.
< 1345910538 390219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've used Kino once, and it did that job, though I don't really have any points of reference to compare to, and don't know if it could do object-tracking like that. Possibly not, it seemed more oriented for just cutting and splicing things.
< 1345910539 534944 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to which I say, the kernel might also have a bug, does this mean all user software might as well run at ring 0
< 1345910547 573699 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they usually don't have a good response to that...
< 1345910555 141481 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1345910575 262722 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if someone asked me to do that, I would probably write some custom software using OpenCV
< 1345910581 848632 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea if there's something more ready-made
< 1345910587 241991 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t think kdenlive had any tracking capabilities either. But i haven’t touched it for a long time either.
< 1345910587 507625 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how distinctive is the object?
< 1345910597 89018 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, opencv?
< 1345910598 305930 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's, like, the only red thing, it might be easy to track
< 1345910602 467968 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1345910604 929576 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :opencv
< 1345910606 572194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that
< 1345910610 950346 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google opencv
< 1345910611 832646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://opencv.willowgarage.com/
< 1345910611 988757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Welcome - OpenCV Wiki
< 1345910616 710090 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a thing which can be googled
< 1345910621 173327 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay
< 1345910625 937821 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don
< 1345910630 389970 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't* have time to do that
< 1345910639 983966 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know there are costly editing programs which can do what I need
< 1345910645 131139 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm
< 1345910647 972875 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is don’t* a pointer?
< 1345910651 109777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure there's ready-made software for the express purpose of automatically deshaking videos.
< 1345910659 920074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It's a pointer to a don't.
< 1345910664 81692 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don_t*
< 1345910669 393568 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointer to don
< 1345910702 959594 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw do you know if it is possible to dump every frame from a video easily? I think that could be used for panorama making in combination with a good video camera
< 1345910707 826086 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reserved by POSIX)
< 1345910717 331911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a lot faster than using a DSLR too.
< 1345910717 953060 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mplayer can do that
< 1345910719 2871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ffmpeg into 'blah%04d.png' or some-such.
< 1345910729 926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer can also do it, yes.
< 1345910730 808273 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer -vo png
< 1345910740 690128 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fair enough
< 1345910759 147834 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw: Hugin and Enblend are awesome for panoramas.
< 1345910874 552407 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually managed to get my phone to 47% charge after filming about 3 hours of max quality 1080p video. 11 GB of videos in total :D
< 1345910878 111776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Incidentally, I once made a "stabilised" bit of video by doing exactly that, then computing image orientations with panotools (autopano-sift points between consecutive frames), getting a smoothed spline approximation out of the yaw/pitch/roll to get a "camera track", and then doing the obvious remappings with nona to make it smooth.
< 1345910900 274876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and then importing it all back into a video?
< 1345910902 830651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1345910908 945648 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds kind of annoying
< 1345910909 482178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, it worked well enough for a proof-of-concept, though there were some issues.
< 1345910913 779193 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1345910927 511403 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not something I want to do on 3 hours of footage then...
< 1345910989 785473 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the sound clipped...
< 1345910995 603466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Google claims Cinelerra (open-source video editor) has a bundled image stabilization plugin.
< 1345911028 14888 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-linear video editor? Huh? What?
< 1345911034 921452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what they call them.
< 1345911063 190438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- system which can perform non-destructive editing on the source material. It is named in contrast to 20th century methods of linear video editing and film editing."
< 1345911070 427265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've wondered about the name, too, sometimes.
< 1345911118 614781 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1345911149 430018 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-linear_editing_system#Main_differences_between_linear_and_non-linear_editing
< 1345911150 367411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and I have somewhere around 700-1 GB of raw images from my not-quite-DSLR
< 1345911165 250046 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :700 MB*
< 1345911203 123327 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an episode of _House_ filmed entirely with a DSLR
< 1345911211 433613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cinelerra.org/docs/cinelerra_cv_manual_en.html#SEC206 is the bit of a manual about the motion tracker.
< 1345911222 7556 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_Me_(House)
< 1345911248 449352 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well I don't have a fast enough CF card to film.
< 1345911264 497205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(14.4.33.6 is about the stabilization thing.)
< 1345911453 794013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of the video-panorama, I did a quick try for that, with the reasonably sucky video recording of the phone. It had a lot of parallax problems (handheld, and short distances), but it was good enough to get some kind of an overview. Also I just picked every N'th frame; I think it'd have improved things a lot to use some heuristic to select only "sharp" frames; some of the ones with a lot ...
< 1345911460 110171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... of motion were really quite blurry.
< 1345911577 334431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/videopano.jpg
< 1345911593 261982 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :videopano sounds like porn
< 1345911600 575498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: Only to Finns.
< 1345911606 181943 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :durh
< 1345911636 930409 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well my phone produces reasonably good 1080p video
< 1345911659 50111 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with the camera app mod that I have, which ups the bit rate
< 1345911686 55459 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, I had big issues with auto focus, it is possible to set a focus but only after you started recording
< 1345911702 400994 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is "focus on where I click, and keep that focused"
< 1345911761 389620 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The image might have been nicer if you had added some “vertical line” control points..
< 1345911781 538751 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Lumpio-: Only to Finns. <-- oh?
< 1345911820 347829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: The sort-of-a-point was to have it work completely automatically.
< 1345911876 940119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "fi:pano" is a vulgarism for "A lay, a fuck, a session of sexual intercourse", to quote wiktionary.
< 1345911896 972380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's also a deposit to a bank account.)
< 1345911911 810350 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1345912129 632844 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1345912199 307998 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, remind me what the Finnish words for 'oxygen' and 'vulva' are.
< 1345912291 353509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oxygen -> 'happi', vulva -> 'häpy'. They do pronounce quite differently, though.
< 1345912299 692978 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.sendapatch.se/2010/february/this-might-seem-silly-git-pull.html
< 1345912456 725276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Fortunately, fi:pulla (we'd mangle "pull" -> "pullata" to make a verb) just means bun, which is relatively innocuous.
< 1345912708 417528 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-136-137.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345912784 741690 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345912865 698057 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, hm I was not aware that "pulla" meant that in Swedish.
< 1345912889 438321 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it meant?
< 1345912946 297870 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-79-136.asm.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should probably avoid uttering words with the suffix "-ulla" in Swedish as a general rule.
< 1345912955 984994 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Polish, oxygen is tlen
< 1345912959 535681 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nitrogen is azot
< 1345912978 705466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The N900 default camera app records at 848x480@24fps and still manages to lag every now and then, at least when writing to built-in flash. Could be somewhat of a software thing. I've read someone getting stable 720p@25 video with the custom camera drivers, so I suppose it's mostly about encoding that in time (which the hardware acceleration should be able to handle, given proper ...
< 1345912984 844955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... software) and storing it somewhere.
< 1345913034 706955 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In german it's stickstoff
< 1345913046 855001 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nitrogen I mean
< 1345913075 858999 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Die deutsche Bezeichnung Stickstoff erinnert daran, dass molekularer Stickstoff Flammen löscht („erstickt“) oder dass in reinem Stickstoff Lebewesen ersticken."
< 1345913103 153957 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I was writing to a class 10 64 GB MicroSD
< 1345913107 633818 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be pretty fast
< 1345913167 13558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, writing to a fast µSD might well work better than the built-in flash even with the default resolutions and camera drivers.
< 1345913647 684401 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-128-77.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345913709 28722 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22
< 1345913842 340009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, I'm really deficient when it comes to video recording. The phone does bad-quality 848x480@24 MPEG4 that lags; the various webcams have horrible picture quality; and the camera writes good-looking and smooth but low-resolution 640x480@30 weird Quicktime MJPEG files and has some sort of a maximum recording time instead of streaming to card.
< 1345913991 451953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even though the video bitrate is just 1.3MB/s and this card claims a 7.7MB/s write speed.)
< 1345914204 543145 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :german element names are funny
< 1345914213 710300 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasserstoff
< 1345914273 821142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All kinds of stoff.
< 1345914325 844744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember from some book or another that their rocket fuels had names of the "X-Stoff" kind.
< 1345914349 414051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Wikipedia has a "List of stoffs".
< 1345914362 236550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A, B, Br, C, K, M, N, R, S, SV, T and Z-Stoff.
< 1345914382 564837 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that book Gravity's Rainbow?
< 1345914390 887386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think it was My Tank Is Fight.
< 1345914394 141559 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1345914421 264601 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, writing to a fast µSD might well work better than the built-in flash even with the default resolutions and camera drivers. <-- sure, but the built in one in the S3 should be pretty fast too
< 1345914489 452944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know if it's a hardware or a driver-tuneup-firmware kind of an issue, but doing a lot of IO on the N900 internal flash manages to grind other things to horrible slowness.
< 1345914491 357958 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is fight?
< 1345914493 564353 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1345914515 875540 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ouch
< 1345914524 17052 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i feel bad using the x <= y < z sugar in python
< 1345914534 808540 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what does that do?
< 1345914542 588766 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's equivalent to (x <= y) and (y < z)
< 1345914547 644571 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1345914559 338056 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting ternary operator
< 1345914584 924488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a humorous name. It documents (in a funny way) some strange tank/plane/boat inventions from WW2.
< 1345914596 675811 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised it works when parsing python though. Python is supposedly LL(1)
< 1345914617 943331 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, cool
< 1345914630 942551 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it works for any relational operator
< 1345914637 653033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Possibly it just parses as "(x <= y) < z" and has a special meaning.
< 1345914637 830211 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading to nonsense like #4 on http://web.archive.org/web/20101009122154/http://web.mit.edu/rwbarton/www/python.html
< 1345914652 431573 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw, "doing a lot of IO"... Does that include doing a lot of read IO?
< 1345914656 492136 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just write IO?
< 1345914671 951357 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the latter case, the system probably has a buffer that you fill then
< 1345914690 636592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, I haven't investigated too much. At least the effect is a lot more noticeable when it comes to writes.
< 1345914731 241088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I wouldn't mind slowing down the writing task so much, but it lags the UI and everything else too.
< 1345914795 333442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody else has tried to beat me at Word Warp last month, nor this month.
< 1345914868 136360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have been demotivated by your Word Warp prowess.
< 1345914907 351944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the last time someone else did play (a few months ago), they did win by a few points.
< 1345914915 178321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it another of those BBS games? 
< 1345914919 20869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1345915213 432941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most recent messages posted to the local message boards seem to be last year, although a few people have posted on the wall recently, nobody has answered any questions I posted there.
< 1345915376 131214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have access to alt.2600 and I posted a few message there but there seems to be none replies recently.
< 1345915395 823787 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-144.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345915412 268376 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-46.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345915452 523329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your ISP still receives messages from that newsgroup, then perhaps the BBS configuration is broken.
< 1345915652 585482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also tried to send some messages to myself but hasn't seem to been received; perhaps automatic QWK runs only overnight, and then it will be sent properly?
< 1345917129 434660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latest alt.2600 posts on my ISP have the title "aardvark payment?" and the latter has date "Sat, 25 Aug 2012 06:27:25 -0700 (PDT)".
< 1345917158 761567 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1345917751 780797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything I sent, on there? Or is that broken too?
< 1345918675 149747 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1345918729 184436 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345919787 860077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345920098 261618 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1345920309 541095 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345920339 247005 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345921365 189577 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew, just finished adding metadata to all images (which plane type and geotagging)
< 1345923019 496424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a standard metadata for airplane types? 
< 1345923023 868149 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-156-56.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345923166 672155 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-144.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1345923172 927557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know what it is that you sent. At least there seems to be nothing where the 'From:' fields contain the string 'zzo38', if my newsreader is to be believed.
< 1345923239 252713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any of them contain "xbit" or "x-bit"?  Do any contain the FidoNet number for x-bit?
< 1345923278 833659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The FidoNet number for x-bit is 1:340/10 and my user number is 39)
< 1345923311 493726 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, First photo uploaded: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kddhwd2j42bucz3/QgKbpICEy_ (I flew in one of those helicopters, cost 350 SEK for a tour lasting about 7 minutes)
< 1345923341 262617 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I will add more to that album as I work through the photos.
< 1345923363 569635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is there a standard metadata for airplane types?  <-- not that I know of
< 1345923371 405257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure how to search for that. I *think* slrn's "author search" looks at the From: header; at least if I search for 'afraid' I get people with email addresses with 'afraid.org' in them. That search does not find anything containing 'xbit', 'x-bit' or '340'.
< 1345923377 160737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was assuming some sort of an EXIF airplane tag.
< 1345923412 631089 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19381098
< 1345923421 722774 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I believe there might be a IPTC one. It seems that my program ended up saving it in there
< 1345923424 908420 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPTC Title
< 1345923440 753555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Title: Robinson R-44 Clipper II"
< 1345923442 658267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it seems.
< 1345923443 598075 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1345923450 462579 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :did dropbox show it?
< 1345923460 801551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I picked "download" and ran exiftool on it.
< 1345923463 123322 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I just googled the registration to find the model for that one
< 1345923465 314342 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1345923550 711685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has your name in the "Copyright", "Rights", "Creator" and "Copyright Notice" fields.
< 1345923579 257804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried to send some messages to the system operator but it seem they have not received them.
< 1345923639 853407 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, cool
< 1345923653 601713 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I just put it in in "author" in the program
< 1345923668 886902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it tries to put it in everything that's commonly used.
< 1345923685 125939 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1345923686 125306 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: :(
< 1345923712 830515 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does the file say which program was used?
< 1345923749 178024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It reports "DiMAGE A2 Ver.1.13" as the "Creator Tool", and "Adobe XMP Core 5.3-c011 66.145661, 2012/02/06-14:56:27" as the "XMP Toolkit". (Some of these names might be exiftool-specific for all I know.)
< 1345923757 31441 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :DiMage A2 is the camera
< 1345923769 852878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the second, hm interesting
< 1345923790 780007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And "Microsoft Corporation" as the "Primary Platform", whatever that means.
< 1345923801 986414 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I was booted into windows when I did it
< 1345923809 520626 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shot the photo as RAW (12 bits per channel) and in the AdobeRGB as the colour space
< 1345923854 432293 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I presume it has a colour profile embedded too?
< 1345923900 504454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm, the jpeg has a "IEC 61966-2.1 Default RGB colour space - sRGB" Device Model Desc, and a "sRGB" Device Model, and then quite a few numbers.
< 1345923911 168043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/IROZ <- exiftool output.
< 1345923956 188049 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stripped all the EXIF data though it seems
< 1345923968 320684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, not much about the camera in there.
< 1345923975 709355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least reported by this thing.
< 1345924041 25125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :exiv2 (the other command-line EXIF tool I have) just says http://sprunge.us/FZSC which is pretty sparse.
< 1345924044 900375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Profile Copyright               : Copyright (c) 1998 Hewlett-Packard Company"
< 1345924046 745712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1345924069 592081 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, aww, it can't read IPTC (or you need to use an option for that)
< 1345924097 153200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it needs an option, the man page does mention IPTC.
< 1345924098 843482 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Technology                      : Cathode Ray Tube Display" <-- really?
< 1345924115 111064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it defaults to a "summary" mode.
< 1345924180 642809 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as for the program I used, it was Adobe Photoshop Lightroom CS6 + Adobe Photoshop CS6. Because Gimp fails at more than 8 bits per channel.
< 1345924203 500722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/hPDj <- 'exiv2 -p a' which should print all of Exif, IPTC and XMP.
< 1345924213 600309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lot shorter than the exiftool output, still.
< 1345924228 584178 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing about profiles there for examp
< 1345924230 786633 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :example*
< 1345924280 929022 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the exif data would not make sense since I cropped the picture.
< 1345924308 979100 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345924366 689493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need more than 8 bits per channel you could use ImageMagick Q16.
< 1345924373 508661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that Gimp was finally (at least close to) getting the high-depth cases right.
< 1345924388 363828 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1345924392 65036 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is news to me
< 1345924395 673453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the current 2.9 devel branch does it.
< 1345924399 242598 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1345924410 786297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After 3.5 years of blood, sweat and tears the GIMP team announced the release of GIMP 2.8. But good things come in pairs.
< 1345924413 814495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new stable version features improvements in almost all aspects: UI, tools, painting features, resources. A detailed review is in works, for now please have a look at the official release notes.
< 1345924417 788586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, the even better news is that since few days internal pipeline of the development version can work in 16bit and 32bit per color channel mode, both integer and float. This finally makes high bit depth precision available and opens up high dynamic range imaging for GIMP."
< 1345924423 416972 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm debating if I want to remove the lens distortion or not on this image. The barrel effect is quite fitting in this case...
< 1345924426 360146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe will take them a while to actually get it out.
< 1345924439 364751 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I created a profile for my camera and lens in the fancy adobe tool)
< 1345924466 23875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard Lightroom is pretty fancy.
< 1345924476 766196 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good for organizing and tagging stuff
< 1345924491 71408 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the geotagging by built in google maps thingy
< 1345924630 164389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tagged a few datasets by having the N900 record a .gpx track, and then using 'gpscorrelate' on a pile of files from the camera. (It reads a .gpx file, EXIF timestamps from images, and then fills the EXIF geotags by correlating between the .gpx track timestamps and the photos.)
< 1345924677 562820 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiny
< 1345924682 753058 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, uploading another one
< 1345924703 524151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except I never remember to sync the camera clock with the GPS time beforehand, so I have to fiddle in an offset.)
< 1345924712 68722 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and that would work yeah, I wonder if I can make one of those files on android. Probably
< 1345924735 10860 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :would drain battery though
< 1345924758 145070 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :still uploading...
< 1345924773 142688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably; GPX is kind of the de-facto standard interchange format. (And anyway gpsbabel translates between everything that can store a track.)
< 1345924790 989860 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :uploaded
< 1345924793 529013 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neil Armstrong's dead :(
< 1345924807 821513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a separate Garmin Geko 201-or-something GPS receiver, I've gotten some tracks from that too. Has the benefit of not draining the phone battery.
< 1345924810 581129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kddhwd2j42bucz3/QgKbpICEy_
< 1345924839 532964 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: died on the moon along with the rest of the Apollo 13 crew?
< 1345924850 45832 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I feel that the slight-fisheye effect and the vignetting added to the second image
< 1345924861 126743 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just too sterile otherwise
< 1345924879 876689 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some reflections from the window on the right
< 1345924903 169111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was just in the process of typing: Very slight window reflections, I see you weren't hanging out of the door of the chopper. :p
< 1345924923 784861 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't think I would have been allowed that
< 1345924926 582277 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::
< 1345924929 816911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1345924998 629557 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this is a nice image of a gyrocopter...
< 1345925009 328893 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neil Armstrong died?
< 1345925012 420936 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::((
< 1345925017 685905 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1345925084 719943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Fortunately, Lance Armstrong is still going strong. (Well, except for... you know.)
< 1345925148 526751 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ufraw can't remove TCA can it? I guess hugin can but meh
< 1345925175 956712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold second one as you hold a pencil.
< 1345925208 839625 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should bury him on the moon.
< 1345925209 539090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'd guesstimate that it can't.
< 1345925223 157636 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1345925272 712026 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm do i want this ThinkPad X1 Carbon
< 1345925280 788240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dcraw seems to have a thing that just enlarges the red/blue layers that you can use for ad-hoc chromatic aberration correction, but that sounds slightly fiddly.
< 1345925394 592687 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1345925427 624351 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 1972, Armstrong was welcomed into the town of Langholm, Scotland, the traditional seat of Clan Armstrong; he was made the first freeman of the burgh, and happily declared the town his home.[108] The Justice of the Peace read from an unrepealed 400-year-old law that required him to hang any Armstrong found in the town.[109]"
< 1345925434 701481 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dodged a bullet there.
< 1345925438 490353 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a noose, I guess.
< 1345925440 3255 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, new photo up, this one should have a lot more metadata
< 1345925539 362874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Neil Armstrong's dead :( <-- darn i was just earlier today wondering if he was still alive when talking with a friend
< 1345925547 863705 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well? Analysed that yet?
< 1345925554 740259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1345925568 399598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were doing a quiz where he was the answer :(
< 1345925588 791254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://hugin.sourceforge.net/docs/manual/Tca_correct.html has an example of how to run the standalone hugin "tca_correct" and then pick the parameters into dcraw. Though I'm not sure how sensible that'd be since the 'fulla' tool has more degrees of freedom.
< 1345925621 886061 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, was the question "is Neil Armstrong still alive"?
< 1345925641 732106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://sprunge.us/WELZ - yeah, that's quite a lot more stuffs.
< 1345925644 578859 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :History Software Agent          : Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4.1 (Windows), Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw 7.1 (Windows), Adobe Photoshop CS6 (Windows), Adobe Photoshop CS6 (Windows), Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw 7.1, Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw 7.1 (Windows) <-- huh? It added camera raw several times
< 1345925649 766705 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurr, "temporal cold war" :(
< 1345925698 588041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Some sort of multi-stage process and it tags one every time it does a thing? :p
< 1345925699 525316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.  it was about who made a book in 2005 or thereabouts, and he was an obvious candidate if alive
< 1345925716 539927 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah except there weren't quite that many stages :P
< 1345925718 575827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"History Action: saved, derived, saved, saved, converted, derived, saved, saved, saved"
< 1345925724 732418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a well-saved file.
< 1345925751 257517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it went lightroom -> camera raw -> photoshop -> (in photoshop): save for web
< 1345925767 887884 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah I cropped it a bit in photoshop too
< 1345925796 279036 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm looks like it excluded the vendor specific block?
< 1345925805 687269 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my camera tends to have a LOT of stuff in that
< 1345925806 974972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, from the timestamps, the two last stages happened during the same second, as did the two before that.
< 1345925814 995200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly didn't know how to decode it.
< 1345925817 124916 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had timestamps too!
< 1345925819 593920 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee
< 1345925837 531681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it usually says if it doesn't know how to read some MakerNotes things.
< 1345925841 264960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get that for N900 pics.
< 1345925850 303403 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I know either exiftool or exiv2 can decode it... Maybe photoshop can't?
< 1345925875 56152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps that's where it fell off. Though it *could* just copy it forward.
< 1345925883 91994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right the book was "First man" (the quiz theme was "first and last")
< 1345925901 974190 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ufraw copies it forward. But it doesn't handle the endianness properly
< 1345925921 801523 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you save as tiff it should byteswap it compared to the mrw raw file, but it doesn't
< 1345925961 162156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Warning: [minor] Unrecognized MakerNotes" is what exiftool says on a N900 pic. Don't know if there's anything especially interesting in there, probably not.
< 1345926039 37577 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-79-136.asm.bellsouth.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345926092 223255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there's something missing in the N900 EXIF metadata, because Hugin asks for a manual FOV entry, while for the camera picks it deduces it from the metadata.
< 1345926117 920603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, FOV or the focal length multiplier, but anyway.)
< 1345926185 95238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both images have the "Focal Length" tag as reported by exiftool, but the N900 one is missing the "Focal Length In 35mm Format", maybe that's it.
< 1345926193 630080 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1345926208 81663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the "Scale Factor To 35 mm Equivalent" for that matter.
< 1345926216 967229 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, it does that for my phone camera too
< 1345926257 760828 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, example exiftool -v output http://sprunge.us/Xigb showing which info is from the maker notes
< 1345926278 750343 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quite a bit, though some is duplicated)
< 1345926373 108596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :exiftool -v for my camera: http://sprunge.us/GcHO
< 1345926384 217917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has all the most useful fields, like BabyAge.
< 1345926409 506247 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1345926411 485954 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that
< 1345926422 629619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some sort of a baby photography mode.
< 1345926426 762224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only seen it in the manual.
< 1345926429 605765 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh...
< 1345926434 563820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really recall what it was all about.
< 1345926438 695135 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it guesses their age?
< 1345926443 522012 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :creepy
< 1345926446 2608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you enter the date of birth.
< 1345926449 897182 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1345926454 665869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it records the age in the image, or something.
< 1345926464 393522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really remember what the point was, if there even was one.
< 1345926481 779853 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if 9999:99:99 means "no data", then they selected a stupid date... The camera is not future proof
< 1345926494 260364 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have been better to go for a date far in the past
< 1345926507 88565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it'll fail when it comes to the 99th day of the 99th month.
< 1345926509 455864 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even out of band metadata
< 1345926526 514945 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie oh come on, the earth's rotation slows down over time
< 1345926539 595316 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually, that would go the other way
< 1345926540 542913 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1345926543 678576 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm
< 1345926546 277177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the PDF manual, let's see what the babies were all about.
< 1345926552 913244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's BABY 1, BABY 2 and PET modes.
< 1345926558 687290 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing is basically the ThinkPad Air
< 1345926561 257201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing they all use the BabyAge.
< 1345926565 240661 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what is?
< 1345926574 843894 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what do they do?
< 1345926578 766589 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :those modes I mean
< 1345926614 390222 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThinkPad X1 Carbon
< 1345926640 135258 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1345926648 113220 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, you have one?
< 1345926669 187808 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1345926718 292639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Apparently the main thing they do is that after you've set the dates of birth for your BABY 1, BABY 2 and PET, then images taken with that mode active will show the age of the thing in question when browsing with the camera (and maybe with Panasonic's software?). But the BABY 1/BABY 2 modes do also "take pictures of a baby with a healthy complexion", plus it dials down the flash power.
< 1345926746 255345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The age can also be printed on each picture by using the software [LUMIX Simple Viewer] or [PHOTOfunSTUDIO-viewer-] in the CD-ROM (supplied)."
< 1345926749 742795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1345926755 692002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also PHOTOfunSTUDIO is possibly the stupidest name.
< 1345926779 785681 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345926791 406007 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1345926874 814460 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, at least my phone camera has a slightly useful gimmick... Face recognition. It shows a yellow box around the detected face in the gallery, then it lets you set who that is. And based on previous selections it even (moderately successfully) suggests names when tagging.
< 1345926898 792968 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and it asks if you want to use that image as the profile picture for that contact every time you tag.
< 1345926900 170908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a "TravelDay" field set to 65535, I see. That's probably some other silly mode that shows you which day of your vacation it is.
< 1345926912 476659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't have face detection here, but I've heard they've been putting that in.
< 1345926989 892468 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, at least my proper camera only have the usual portrait/sport/landscape/night gimmick modes
< 1345927002 241148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one has quite a few.
< 1345927038 245939 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I just use mostly auto, auto shutter, auto time and full manual modes. There is also a second auto mode, that is even more auto than plain auto
< 1345927042 391680 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :never use that
< 1345927057 479107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Scene mode" (i.e. gimmick mode) has: portrait, soft skin, scenery, sports, panning, night portrait, night scenery, food, party, candle light, baby 1, baby 2, pet, sunset, high sens., starry sky, fireworks, beach, snow, aerial photo.
< 1345927097 196542 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they do? (Apart from the utterly silly baby and pet ones)
< 1345927102 625272 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :just different tinting and such?
< 1345927110 734231 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have hipster 1970's camera mode
< 1345927120 49028 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what does that look like?
< 1345927123 894363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not much. I'll check, but the manual probably doesn't go into too much detail.
< 1345927129 131580 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like instagram
< 1345927150 641023 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, the pain
< 1345927169 855925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The "smooth skin" mode for example actually does some skin blurring. Since it warns: "If a part of the background etc. is a color close to skin color, this part is also smoothed."
< 1345927187 314009 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1345927224 683817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that, they mostly seem to tweak the automatics when it comes to shutter, aperture, WB and such.
< 1345927225 892860 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it also blur black people
< 1345927233 222990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I assume so, it doesn't actually say.
< 1345927248 520790 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a mode to automatically pixellate genitalia
< 1345927265 73516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and "high sens." mode goes up to ISO 3200 by decreasing the resolution.
< 1345927269 789837 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345927296 377250 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1345927305 814715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, the "more auto than auto" mode this camera also has is pretty much useless, since it's an "intelligent ISO" mode, and the "intelligent" seems to be a synonym for "high", and the sensor's really very noisy for anything >100, esp. >=400.
< 1345927319 163058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in auto mode one can lock that, or give a maximum value.
< 1345927402 323282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fireworks mode, sadly, won't actually do any kind of "look at fireworksy thing in the live preview", you'll still have to self know when to press the shutter key.
< 1345927408 257270 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345927432 558257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I've heard, modern cameras can go even sillier when it comes to special effects.
< 1345927455 793423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine doesn't even do the sepia tone thing, which I think is almost standard now for the "pocket" cameras.
< 1345927472 816638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also have the "one part of the image in color, everything else in black-and-white" trick built-in.
< 1345927532 722246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beach mode's warnings: "* Do not touch the camera with wet hands. * Sand or seawater will cause the camera to malfunction. Make sure that sand or seawater does not get into the lens or the terminals. * Problems caused by sand or seawater are not covered by the product warranty." :p
< 1345927540 557293 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345927567 928094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for aerial photo mode: "When using the camera, follow all instructions from the cabin crew."
< 1345927578 428289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they couldn't resist adding some common sense in the manual too.
< 1345927594 757964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it doesn't say "don't drop the camera out of the plane".
< 1345927624 487998 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, another one done soon
< 1345927731 432500 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345927731 693168 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, another one up
< 1345927747 277252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just look at this one, instead of digging into the metadata. :p
< 1345927763 411056 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah it is pretty stripped
< 1345927769 151269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's a bit of a shame that Dropbox's album thing doesn't show the title anywhere.
< 1345927776 550723 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a AJ 37 Viggen
< 1345927788 167792 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I believe you had those in Finland too?
< 1345927788 341795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But of course." :p
< 1345927809 954004 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it J 35 Lansen you had?
< 1345927817 712172 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the two I think
< 1345927832 246853 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm, J 35 Draken?
< 1345927857 18741 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had Draken.
< 1345927861 514600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :35 Draken's infobox lists "Finnish Air Force" as one of the "Primary users".
< 1345927863 65147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1345927896 202694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know about this stuff; though my wife's brothers are very enthusiastic about trains and planes and such.
< 1345927911 791319 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1345927927 379618 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345927934 621615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just know they've bought the US Hornets, and that only because the papers were full about the debates on whether that's worth the money.
< 1345927987 662415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was a reasonably recent thing.)
< 1345928025 387023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there was a recent headling about the Americans messing up some paperwork on a missile order for the F-18's.
< 1345928091 901008 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you might want to watch the videos when I get around to them. I wonder where I would upload those. Youtube comes to mind but hrrm.
< 1345928130 32786 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that is a lot of editing ahead to get something usable out of that
< 1345928437 527032 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw, was it worth the money?
< 1345928458 642342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue, just that people had different opinions on that.
< 1345928470 932043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They weren't exactly cheap, I remember that much.
< 1345928531 916129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.16 billion euros, apparently.
< 1345928537 507172 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :each?
< 1345928550 908492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole order, I think.
< 1345928573 988210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.16 billion times 64 sounds a bit too much. :p
< 1345928619 797520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also 1.625 billion euros for the current update/upgrade order they have going.
< 1345928637 419332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think this involves the missiles with the missing paperwork.)
< 1345928657 722664 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, EUR
< 1345928719 474125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the per-plane price was something like 25 million EUR.
< 1345928882 250605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they have a lot of "closing down locations and laying off 2200 people" savings plans happening, so people are commenting on the rationality of doing that while at the same time putting 1.6 billion to the Hornet upgrade.
< 1345928953 774173 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, another one uploaded (J 32 Lansen, the model before J 35 Draken, that you guys had): https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kddhwd2j42bucz3/QgKbpICEy_#f:lansen1.jpg
< 1345930357 518732 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345930676 918027 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-156-56.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1345930690 722327 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-226.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345931178 614012 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345931834 326150 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345931839 539814 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1345931844 893584 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, at least it's not as bad as the UK military deciding to pay for an aircraft carrier by not building any more planes.
< 1345932065 956750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1345932077 657018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever.
< 1345932097 644001 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-128-77.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345932393 62029 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345933019 468362 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345933456 65120 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345934174 167506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if just intonation results in a better (or worse) audio compression than equal temperament?
< 1345934379 723581 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345934397 230896 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345935150 21909 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Smoking cessation (colloquially quitting smoking) is the process of discontinuing the practice of inhaling a smoked substance." -- WP
< 1345935164 861514 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone not call it 'quitting smoking'.
< 1345935207 354962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345935246 176279 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1345935726 408279 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345936488 875934 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :medical literature
< 1345936503 432333 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and phrases like "smoking cessation aid" rather than "quitting smoking aid"
< 1345936696 838477 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally there are cigarette reviews on YouTube.
< 1345936708 307606 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why that surprised me, but it did.
< 1345937075 692508 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie, at least it's not as bad as the UK military deciding to pay for an aircraft carrier by not building any more planes. <-- they did that?
< 1345937083 184401 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or less.
< 1345937086 808154 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1345937119 711547 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Does anyone not call it 'quitting smoking'. <-- whoever wrote that text you quoted?
< 1345937147 834186 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Wikipedia, Wikipedia isn't a person.
< 1345937173 487726 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, but somewhere a person wrote that line of text
< 1345937195 331965 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, night
< 1345937197 203957 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not certain that they did.
< 1345937234 976411 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re aircraft carriers, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11570593
< 1345937240 953065 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Axing the Harrier and Ark Royal means no planes will be able to fly from British aircraft carriers until 2019.
< 1345937241 99121 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1345937267 395191 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant
< 1345937315 723804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I would imagine that it doesn't make a difference if you're talking about the recording of any actual instrument.
< 1345937344 737194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're comparing across instruments, in which case it's a bit of a silly comparison anyway.
< 1345937442 613397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i just tried to look up "polarn" and "pyret" in wiktionary, i only found the former means "the buddy" in swedish, but what does the latter mean?
< 1345937469 190670 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345937475 168486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn he just said good night
< 1345937492 276503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner doesn't look awake either :(
< 1345937528 272912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats FireFly -----###

< 1345937532 749150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE NEXT
< 1345937711 667501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'So what does “Polarn O. Pyret” actually mean? Well it means “Buddy and the little one” in Swedish [...]'
< 1345937717 818419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then
< 1345938493 292009 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.56.55 QUIT :Quit: impomatic
< 1345938578 364647 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's not completely nonsensical
< 1345938586 407502 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's easier to buy or build planes quickly in an emergency
< 1345938642 368145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders this, watching the pigs fly by

< 1345938748 744557 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching for pigs on the wing?
< 1345938778 365528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But what if it is music programmed by computer?
< 1345938853 689460 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345939077 542529 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-226.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1345939080 691996 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-117.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345939309 746212 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345939362 551845 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345939423 545281 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey pikhq_?
< 1345939449 863452 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember that company we thought owned the world until we looked closer and realised they only owned like a percent of it?
< 1345939453 581883 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was it called again?
< 1345939530 345525 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't remember at all.
< 1345939697 383565 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh.
< 1345939717 285503 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that 'deposit-" and "company" were there somewhere.
< 1345941400 714572 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345941934 193062 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345941944 684939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "just intonation" is a tricky thing for sufficiently complex music.
< 1345941961 999849 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345941982 540898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might in some cases have a lot of similar notes that are all approximated by the same eqaul-temperament note. So maybe that would compress worse?
< 1345941985 556190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why it should be so tricky, it's just intonation
< 1345941988 828915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But why do you care?)
< 1345941996 637432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan++
< 1345942056 299728 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Then there's the nondescript design, and the marriage of necessity to business features like the TrackPoint (the red nub in the middle of the keyboard). The nub especially feels extraneous for most users now that the trackpad actually works the way it should, but business being business, alienating a mass of outmoded users isn't going to fly." -- gizmodo
< 1345942061 304029 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow gizmodo you did not just say that
< 1345942114 206799 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man that's a lot of needless Latinate.
< 1345942151 373647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I didn't know I was a business user. :-(
< 1345942165 469390 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently anyone who types a lot and dosen't want to get RSI from reaching to the mouse is "outmoded"
< 1345942165 659402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't use a ThinkPad at all anymore, actually.

< 1345942177 988567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when I did I preferred the TrackPoint® to the touchpad.
< 1345942219 558670 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you use now?
< 1345942277 318091 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh. Trackpoint's really kinda handy if you need small amounts of mouse movement.
< 1345942301 278412 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1345942303 422015 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A touchpad's a bit better if you're going to be primarily mousing. Or, y'know, a real mouse.
< 1345942305 680768 :Rain777!~IceChat9@190.194.68.225 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345942307 890741 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the Thinkpad nipple is awesome.
< 1345942324 358833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Dell XPS 15. It's not as good as the ThinkPad but it works.
< 1345942337 591478 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you can just use *both* depending on what's optimal for your current task.
< 1345942368 542879 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, my current machine has both
< 1345942369 537787 :Rain777!~IceChat9@190.194.68.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good evening !!
< 1345942375 748760 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small touchpads are horrible. Tap-to-click is horrible as well. Apple touchpads are almost as good as nipples, though.
< 1345942397 485741 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, for a wasd-style game the Trackpoint is pretty awesome I'd imagine...
< 1345942404 432085 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use the trackpoint when i need a bit of mousing in the middle of writing something
< 1345942416 687078 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use the touchpad when i'm just reading websites, mostly because it does the right edge scroll thing
< 1345942428 896355 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that there the mouse is being used more as directional input rather than pointing.
< 1345942445 278507 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used the hold-middle-mouse-button-down-and-move-nipple thing for scrolling.
< 1345942448 546318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to change the way I use computers to require minimal mouse input.
< 1345942451 616342 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the X1 Carbon is pretty expensive :/
< 1345942459 287729 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much nicer than the side scroll thing with a touchpad IMO.
< 1345942462 611098 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Have you considered using a tiling WM?
< 1345942468 126627 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though computers overall keep getting cheaper
< 1345942470 144033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mouse is good for analog things, but very few of the things I do are analog.
< 1345942481 385261 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when any halfway decent computer (for its time) would be at least $2000
< 1345942484 394405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I have used a tiling WM!
< 1345942498 196329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: But I barely use the mouse with my current non-tiling WM.
< 1345942541 16307 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to use the mouse more efficiently, you should switch to a toroidal mouse geometry
< 1345942544 43422 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously
< 1345942548 920979 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how Ubuntu’s Unity project has enabled much more keyboard accessibility than before.
< 1345942561 112202 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$2000 practically buys you a behemoth nowadays.
< 1345942581 451401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Rain777 
< 1345942588 361387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It has?
< 1345942591 490059 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rain777: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1345942597 849817 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What’s toroidal mouse geometry?
< 1345942601 846507 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah
< 1345942613 101370 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you move the mouse off the edge of the screen, it teleports to the opposite edge
< 1345942622 831677 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have synergy configured to do this
< 1345942662 4830 :Rain777!~IceChat9@190.194.68.225 PART :#esoteric
< 1345942664 361968 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can launch programs by hitting Windows™ and typing a part of the program name; you can select menu items by hitting Alt and typing a part of the menu item name; you can switch to a specific window with Windows™-{1,2,3,…} etc.
< 1345942692 297404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Wasn't it more application-oriented like Mac OS X?
< 1345942704 808155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except done even worse.
< 1345942707 90955 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, yeah, a specific application.
< 1345942727 163061 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno about worse since i’m not that familiar with OSX, but i’ve certainly liked Unity.
< 1345942728 544093 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a program which lets me launch programs by typing part of the name
< 1345942731 157549 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called a terminal ;)
< 1345942746 50957 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION http://twitter.com/1990sLinuxUser mode

< 1345942763 540573 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, “setsid fire && exit” is convenient indeed.
< 1345942771 870678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just about every mainstream X11 desktop environment has had Alt-F2 bound to that for quite a while.
< 1345942790 855888 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: why setsid?
< 1345942791 447141 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt-F2 doesn’t know about applications’ descriptions and keywords.
< 1345942815 581850 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmonad is not mainstream :/
< 1345942816 848955 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: To have the terminal window go away immediately.
< 1345942820 534177 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously because it involves monads
< 1345942826 846198 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xburrito
< 1345942827 515165 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: isn't «firefox & exit» good enough?
< 1345942836 869482 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh: you have running jobs.
< 1345942838 847307 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :%
< 1345942846 770385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: xmonad has never claimed to be mainstream.
< 1345942857 800166 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, zsh
< 1345942868 426611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...It's too mainstream for me, though.
< 1345942879 868158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember back when xmonad was called "thunk"?
< 1345942883 146297 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should finish that window manager i started writing
< 1345942888 919023 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i could be a cool kid
< 1345942894 153252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do it!
< 1345942894 299304 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: was it really?
< 1345942895 504204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use it.
< 1345942899 410346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What window manager did you start to writing?
< 1345942905 128625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yep, that was the name before "xmonad".
< 1345942909 628979 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a static tiling wm in haskell
< 1345942915 476492 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with nicer code than xmonad ;)
< 1345942921 583074 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that xmonad's code is terrible, but mine is nicer :)
< 1345942931 602866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nicest code is code that you don't write in the first place.
< 1345942935 588011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore kmc's WM has the nicest code.
< 1345942957 445749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1345942958 580985 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i have almost 500 lines of code
< 1345942962 649665 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they do not a window manager make
< 1345942969 506658 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we all know xmonad is only 500 lines of code except not at all
< 1345942981 206833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it as good as xmonad 0.1?
< 1345943000 471460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should put your code up!
< 1345943007 537398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's basically a WM already.
< 1345943017 301669 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :much of that is a SDL-based mockup of the keyboard UI
< 1345943028 927258 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :designing a good UI for static tiling operations is not that easy
< 1345943035 562315 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should look at what other WMs do
< 1345943038 628795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no idea how the keyboard UI would work for a WM that works the way he wants.

< 1345943075 13482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if the way I want is the same as the way you want, but it seems close enough.
< 1345943083 601412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You used to use Ion3, right?
< 1345943085 264114 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my model, each workspace is a tree where branching nodes are horizontal or vertical splits
< 1345943087 358646 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe, 1990sLinuxUser is awesome.
< 1345943098 250906 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: i know, right?  my favorite part is the background image
< 1345943103 310678 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Indeed!
< 1345943125 709439 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the conceptually simplest UI for navigating this tree is to have a key for parent, child 1, child 2
< 1345943130 769311 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think this kinda sucks to use
< 1345943142 183876 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you also want keys for in-order traversal of the leaves
< 1345943149 845700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a reason to special-case workspaces?
< 1345943170 705136 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, each split is binary, except the split into workspaces
< 1345943178 961700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to them just being the root of an xmonad "Full"-style thing.
< 1345943183 991674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1345943185 220968 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each split has a parameter to say how space is divided, except the split into workspaces
< 1345943195 55054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was thinking of n-ary splits.

< 1345943204 998687 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have those, but the second point would remain
< 1345943212 76591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Ion3 any window can be a "workspace" of its own.
< 1345943219 194462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have floating workspaces and so on.
< 1345943224 204488 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's cool
< 1345943260 971056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also any "window" can have multiple windows inside it as tabs.
< 1345943284 514006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opinion is how the keyboard UI works would be: All window and widgets are hover focus, and you can push the key to switch between widgets (such as TAB) and key to switch between windows (such as the window manager's key and TAB together), and doing so move mouse pointer to that position.
< 1345943304 904258 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm mainly concerned with how you create, adjust, and delete splits
< 1345943309 195185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think it would be best to have both tiled and floating windows.
< 1345943362 189388 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never put in the effort to learn how ion actually models all this
< 1345943373 507140 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the outside it seemed excessively complicated
< 1345943384 383302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: At least how I would do is, to adjust splits have one of the mouse buttons assigned for that purpose when you click the border using that button.
< 1345943413 567457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My list of "window managers that seemed interesting" also includes Enlightenment, although it's a floating WM.
< 1345943416 662290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember why.
< 1345943466 823305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have the widgets basically Athena-style except that keyboard commands can also be used instead of or in addition to the mouse.
< 1345943591 393994 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the choices for static tiling wms, anyway?
< 1345943592 771713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people might not like this of course; some people may prefer programs with Motif or GTK widgets. I prefer SDL.
< 1345943605 546878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should get the WM to a working state before you're too busy to!
< 1345943675 570251 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1345943684 948166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In one sense all floating WMs are static.
< 1345943696 681615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you did say "tiling".
< 1345943726 104938 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion/notion, stumpwm, ratpoison, wmii, ?
< 1345943775 408118 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think awesome is dynamic and the name annoys me anyway
< 1345943776 590362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wmii is very similar to dwm, isn't it?
< 1345943793 39179 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“notion” would be an awesome name for a window manager.
< 1345943801 187251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: "notion" exists.
< 1345943803 505215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fork of Ion.
< 1345943805 788412 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1345943819 182475 :derdon_!~derdon@p5DE8A905.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345943821 373074 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wmii is from suckless.org which also annoys me
< 1345943833 406038 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, annoyance is a full time job
< 1345943844 281574 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the thing is, xmonad is Good Enough
< 1345943857 592856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Xfce is also Good Enough.
< 1345943857 950478 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think the window system should instead of X, it should be based on SDL. They can include some built-in commands for clipboard (although it could just be /proc/$WINPID/userfs/clipboard if you have that kind of user filesystem mode), fix 8x8 and 8x12 whatever monochrome fonts, etc
< 1345943869 845175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, the difference between xfce and xmonad is small enough that I haven't bothered to set it up.
< 1345943877 902145 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get by fine in xmonad with just full and two-column layouts
< 1345943898 201826 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, gimp now has a "one window" mode which works pretty well
< 1345943909 939622 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmonad's floating window support is pretty wonky
< 1345943925 281243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used GIMP with xmonad.
< 1345943933 57205 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1345943948 488108 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oddly enough, I think you'd at least somewhat like Wayland.
< 1345943955 57495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea of having a WM inside an application kind of annoys me.
< 1345943967 94155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though the application knows more about its windows.
< 1345943970 39587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes I do somewhat like Wayland.
< 1345943990 536534 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95BC2.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1345944010 937787 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1345944056 559650 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the window managers i use are xmonad, screen, irssi, chromium, and finch
< 1345944057 602033 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it’s made into a library that *everything* uses so that all the windows behave the same way and look alike and if you can still move and close windows owned by processes that are stuck, i’m totally happy with it.
< 1345944059 852744 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345944078 766621 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't do splits with any except the first
< 1345944094 130752 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :finch supports overlapping windows of any size, it's completely ridiculous
< 1345944105 563831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also vim.
< 1345944176 111475 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't use vim for window management
< 1345944362 823464 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok we're trying out the "irssi.so" window manager for GNT, the curses tooklit used by Finch
< 1345944476 984588 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trip report forthcoming
< 1345944496 256930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We?
< 1345944539 635982 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, the royal "we"... you know, the editorial
< 1345944687 655625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A magazine I read when I was much younger had an editoral, which was called something like "words of the editor".
< 1345944702 236462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it had a handwritten font in which "editor" looked a lot like "crow".
< 1345944715 32262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I thought it was "words of the crow".
< 1345944889 289651 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d like to have a horizontally looping desktop of arbitrary width and a height equal to the monitor’s height. I’d like to be able to place windows to the desktop side-by-side (never overlapping and never with space between them) and to scroll horizontally whenever its width is greater than that of my monitor. The desktop should grow and shrink automatically to fit the windows. Scrolling should snap
< 1345944891 822549 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows’ left-hand edges to the monitor’s left-hand border, and moving windows’ right-hand edges to resize them should snap to the monitor’s right-hand border.
< 1345944951 693426 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be keyboard shortcuts to scroll to the next/previous window (so that their left-hand edge will match with the monitor’s left-hand border).
< 1345945017 708680 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's wrong with suckless.org?
< 1345945053 621860 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One could have e.g. a browser and a terminal side-by-side so that they fill the monitor exactly, but also a music player next to the terminal so that if you scroll to the right, the terminal and the music player will fill the monitor exactly.
< 1345945118 349540 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: that sounds like an interesting idea
< 1345945146 606180 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe it'd be even better to be able to have a list of 'views' of the windows
< 1345945187 227853 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could implement that, but you could also be able to, say, always have your IRC client on the left and effectively scroll through what else should appear on the right
< 1345945234 11954 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you'd want to embed a scripting language (perhaps Python?  A mini-Lisp?) to programmatically define the views
< 1345945244 812259 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just having a set of canned modes
< 1345945293 445973 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, all this might have been done already
< 1345945700 655221 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: oh, i'm probably biased because of the person who complained that mosh doesn't work in st, and talked like a cult member
< 1345945772 960579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You have a lot of biases. :-(
< 1345945775 666555 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1345945786 727385 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, maybe you should join #lesswrong and get them to fix it ;)
< 1345945819 762085 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general i feel like all this "suckless" "minimalist" stuff means "works only for the author, comes with a screed about how this is all anyone should need"
< 1345945824 462865 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wondered if there was anything I should know about suckless, since they listed my IRC client on their "Stuff that rocks" page
< 1345945848 146305 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's not a criticism of suckless.org specifically, just of the attitude they are latching onto)
< 1345945872 693807 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, now I understand... because I have an attitude that could be characterised that way too
< 1345945908 456398 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any feature you do not personally use is "bloat"
< 1345945925 897290 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 10 half-baked solutions to the same problem is better than 1 complete solution
< 1345945931 325118 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the half-baked solutions are each "minimalist"
< 1345945950 870474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other extreme is perhaps more dangerous.
< 1345945956 518071 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both extremes are dangerous, yes
< 1345945998 879206 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best is software which has many features, but which is architected in such a way that you don't pay for the features you don't use
< 1345946010 959364 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't pay in terms of performance, but most importantly in terms of code complexity and bugs
< 1345946026 957728 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, the features you aren't using should not cause bugs in the parts you are using
< 1345946029 975632 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously this is very hard
< 1345946036 703453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's an example of that?
< 1345946044 473211 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me
< 1345946074 646367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, kmc.
< 1345946094 536514 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a programming language interpreter
< 1345946101 783550 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not affected by bugs in python modules i haven't loaded
< 1345946118 429633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many people describe C++ that way.
< 1345946128 249306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I don't think that's quite right.
< 1345946128 850552 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and module maintainers have relatively little ability to force the core python interpreter to adopt bad design decisions
< 1345946137 362225 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language itself is a pretty resiliant abstraction barrier
< 1345946151 292383 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, but they're talking only about space/time usage and not about cognitive burden
< 1345946157 267866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1345946203 370338 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345946213 58600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the program and how it is, some things can be external files and separate programs that can be processed separately or piped or whatever.
< 1345946250 575952 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, since we're on the subject of software development...
< 1345946256 895020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh-oh.
< 1345946267 169488 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently trying to decide how to implement scripting in quIRC
< 1345946297 895957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invent your own language which is backwards-compatible with IRC commands.
< 1345946298 432248 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some ideas (and a half-finished spec) for a scripting language, but I had another idea too: symbionts
< 1345946304 362959 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345946323 339667 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345946324 157078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Probably it depend what you are doing with? There are a few possible ways.
< 1345946325 257627 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, make quIRC invoke symbiont processes (the scripts) and talk an application protocol to them
< 1345946375 657716 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you gain the ability to write scripts in any language, but otoh you can only do things there are hooks for
< 1345946480 631342 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that the present phase of the moon is a waxing gibbous.

< 1345946490 282618 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like the worst one for Armstrong to die during.
< 1345946519 532928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least what I have done in PHIRC is the script commands and local commands are like IRC except you put a slash in front; since PHIRC is written in an interpreted language you can also use that interpreter too, though. So, partially your choice will depend what programming language you use, what user interface, and what operating system.
< 1345946525 503219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Why?
< 1345946546 996115 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gibbouses are the dumbest phase.
< 1345946573 312946 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't even describe it very well, it's just "that phase that's a bit more than half full".
< 1345946607 630717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just describe it by the degrees in ecliptic longitude?
< 1345946610 187153 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (67% of Full).  Full moon in NetHack in 5 days.
< 1345946626 666562 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from #nethack:!pom)
< 1345946646 480726 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you soundnfury for telling me something that I had just demonstrated knowledge of.
< 1345946648 568669 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: C, curses-like, *nix
< 1345946667 716617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or by percentage?
< 1345946678 180169 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I was giving you a more precise description than "a bit more than half full"
< 1345946683 664817 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to describe it as "gibbous" if you don't want to.
< 1345946699 863986 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Do, do, do, the funky gibbous
< 1345946705 100 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# we are here to show you how
< 1345946773 165223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun ecliptic longitude at 3 Virgo, Moon at 23 Sagittarius, so you subtract 263-153=110 degrees. (180 degrees = full moon)
< 1345946827 56958 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that assume the solar and lunar orbits are coplanar?
< 1345946829 33160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the direction you can know the moon is going forward motion (counterclockwise on the diagram) so you can tell on the diagram the direction of wax/wane, and by aspect lines, whether the full moon is slightly before or slightly after or exact.
< 1345946858 100543 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure I follow your PHIRC explanation
< 1345946866 865686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: It would seem so. But actually if they are then it is an eclipse. This orbit is used for measurement.
< 1345946884 821530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So actually it is approximate but you have to use some plane of measurement, so the ecliptic is used.)
< 1345946927 716738 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but surely what you want to measure is something to do with the proportion of the moon's solid angle that's lit, as viewed from Earth
< 1345946933 639063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if it is actually moon exactly opposite to the sun, then it will be a lunar eclipse because the Earth is in the way.
< 1345946987 347488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So using all the angles it would never actually light the entire face of moon seen by Earth because the Earth is in the way.
< 1345946993 712948 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but at "new moon" if it's not a solar eclipse then it'll be a (very very slim) crescent
< 1345947013 128943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that too.
< 1345947017 816952 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well, it's not important
< 1345947033 417682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using ecliptic longitude only is what is generally done to calculate the phase of moon, I think.
< 1345947122 212094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another common way to calculate phase of moon is by the time instead of by angle.
< 1345947123 770531 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this "don't pay for features you don't use" is actually the most important reason to move things out of a language core and into the standard library
< 1345947189 11949 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, I agree you should put thing in a library. Even with Forth you can include most of the control structures and a lot of other things including syntactic stuff in a standard library too. With other programming languages the way it is done will differ.
< 1345947246 458001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you know the problem "generate a string of the form /[abc]{N}/ such that no substring appears twice in a row"?
< 1345947269 105089 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you mentioned it before
< 1345947278 798985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1345947282 701217 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :de bruijn sequences?
< 1345947287 742697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, unrelated.
< 1345947292 632031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think?)
< 1345947323 553 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is this going to relate to prime numbers in some way?
< 1345947331 418462 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just a hunch)
< 1345947332 223387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :De Bruijn sequences are sequences such that you can figure out a substring's position from its contents.
< 1345947346 804058 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, which means each one appears at most once
< 1345947354 442428 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there is Ecclesiastical phase of moon, which is slightly off from the actual phase of moon and is used to calculate the date of Easter, due to tradition.
< 1345947359 621049 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's for subsequences of a specific length
< 1345947372 372503 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, please go on about this problem
< 1345947447 255428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case you're allowed e.g. "abcacbabca"
< 1345947461 454190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're not allowed a sequence that contains "aa" or "abab" or "abcabc".
< 1345947464 606033 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, twice *in a row*
< 1345947466 300314 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed that
< 1345947472 738430 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: doesn't "to go on about something" have a meaning /subtly/ different to what you meant?
< 1345947493 652070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: I think the meaning was clear here.
< 1345947500 860712 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but it's still funny
< 1345947505 480790 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't my nuts have a meaning subtly close to your face
< 1345947512 414727 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they don't
< 1345947534 405061 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then
< 1345947536 427837 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad that's settled
< 1345947574 557230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you can generate arbitrary-length sequences with this property.
< 1345947596 404603 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you generate them?
< 1345947601 552936 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll go for the symbiont method, and then _maybe_ implement my scripting language as just one option
< 1345947647 664935 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think you can do a tree search, though there may be a better way
< 1345947678 373827 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. start with an a, now you can have either b or c (isomorphism, doesn't matter which, we'll say b, now there's no further isomorphism left)
< 1345947725 304763 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now either we have an a next, so it must then be a c (can't have abaa or abab), or we have a c next, so either abac, abca or abcb (we can't have abcc)
< 1345947753 592226 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on, I don't know if the tree keeps getting wider or if the branches start to terminate
< 1345947770 129080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do it by generating and backtracking.
< 1345947782 111953 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ie. if you start getting strings where you can't append any of [abc] without creating a repeat)
< 1345947789 909054 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i was wondering if there was a better way
< 1345947792 356762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's much trickier to do it without, though it's possible.
< 1345947807 36069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is.
< 1345947831 649109 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345947865 243383 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do it?
< 1345947876 249021 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do something recursive, is there some way to take a sequence and modify it so that you can concatenate the original and modified versions, thereby getting another valid string?
< 1345947883 606487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squarefree_word
< 1345947924 243787 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1345947928 732259 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, nice
< 1345948153 227644 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thue-Morse sequence" is fun to say.
< 1345948781 645978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes OK I understand what you mean. Was there something like that on anarchy golf?
< 1345948798 358675 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345948927 339990 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345948943 482030 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345949158 802267 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345949159 173478 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345949667 540345 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked out the window and I can see the moon.
< 1345949802 23096 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345949807 429509 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345950032 921099 :derdon_!~derdon@p5DE8A905.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345950390 540355 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345950406 824369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott Apparently "travelling" is the British spelling and "traveling" is the American spelling.
< 1345950407 9545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1345950421 55984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Can you make me British? :-(
< 1345950421 243221 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1345950890 364061 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345951371 232581 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345951375 516111 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-63.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345951385 296005 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-117.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345951506 678564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What is interesting in southern CA?
< 1345951545 38133 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kelso sand dunes
< 1345951608 638443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's rather far inland.
< 1345951727 427043 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to southern CA?
< 1345951736 269149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly.
< 1345951861 158266 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what's remarkable?  Is how much of England looks in no way like southern California.
< 1345951933 931685 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your remark, then?
< 1345951944 390556 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a quote
< 1345951956 47510 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I possibly got it slightly wrong, not watched that for a while
< 1345951983 44620 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's from Austin Powers)
< 1345952018 799222 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-151-215.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345952032 705598 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1345952042 271172 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a joke about how Southern California stands in for lots of places in films and tv
< 1345952053 798304 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went to school at a college used frequently for film shoots
< 1345952067 311023 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-63.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345952086 945637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know someone who's going to go there soon.
< 1345952091 791803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a few weeks, I guess.
< 1345952106 403932 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gather that there are a lot of fun things to do in LA, most of which i have not done
< 1345952118 334340 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never even went to the beach, despite living a few minutes' bike ride away for a summer
< 1345952144 375524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They say it's a good beach. I've never been.
< 1345952148 933027 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one?
< 1345952158 980678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The, uh, one in Los Angeles.
< 1345952235 351069 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few
< 1345952922 230412 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-16.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345952950 845796 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-151-215.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1345955019 590150 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we alone on earth can rebel against the tyranny of the selfish replicators
< 1345955460 711617 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pass it on
< 1345955480 176785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I pass it on in my genes?
< 1345955493 103388 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1345955578 293696 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-76.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345955607 29083 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-16.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1345956638 352230 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the next CTF should focus on misuse of cryptographic primitives, don't you think?
< 1345956645 227144 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be fantastic
< 1345956745 855236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, that would be fun.
< 1345956773 652698 :TeruFSX!~quassel@174-20-4-203.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345956775 978782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should tell them!
< 1345956779 585279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or make it.
< 1345956783 881846 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told gdb already
< 1345956821 321242 :TeruFSX!~quassel@174-20-4-203.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345957347 218816 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many exciting ways to misuse cryptographic primitives
< 1345957514 103600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It's one of those things I should know more about.
< 1345957574 748159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though the right answer is generally "use higher-level primitives", not "know how to use low-level primitives correctly".)
< 1345957805 868744 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1345957855 533406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The situation with Haskell and cryptography libraries seems kind of terrible. :-(
< 1345957856 563353 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if that message would come across
< 1345957918 71397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What cryptographic primitives?
< 1345957981 28346 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found it entertaining and enlightening to witness a discussion where each side accused the other of advocating the cardinal sin of "rolling your own crypto"
< 1345957999 310759 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each side had valid arguments as to why their solution is less "rolling your own"
< 1345958008 186338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I heard Julius Caesar was pretty cryptographically primitive.
< 1345958015 757020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think I remember you mentioning that.
< 1345958019 189691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it with mosh?
< 1345958021 112378 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1345958039 369832 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh already rolls more crypto than is desirable
< 1345958045 379377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't remember the exact arguments.

< 1345958069 99327 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice to use something higher level like DTLS, but there are a few problems with doing so
< 1345958081 79866 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the argument in question was about OCB vs. CTR+HMAC, i.e. two block cipher modes
< 1345958100 778897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1345958102 47129 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and plenty of comments from the peanut gallary about "if you have to pick a block cipher mode, you're doing it wrong"
< 1345958112 594535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read somewhere that combining multiple ciphers is sometimes weak; however, I do not think it will be weak if the keys used for each are guaranteed not to be related.
< 1345958120 30345 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fair enough, but again, I don't think there was a suitable higher-level alternative
< 1345958162 31457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nacl.cr.yp.to/ looks like a nice high-level cryptography library.
< 1345958176 474608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough to know whether it's actually good.
< 1345958187 151307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do backward and forward, side effect, stream and block, superencrypted initialization vectors, with a suitable compression in many steps with long keys which do not repeat?
< 1345958210 647400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses the author's own encryption and authentication primitives, which is generally worrying.
< 1345958232 866930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What's a superencrypted initialization vector?
< 1345958273 826190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, optimize it to run fast and less memory but use a slow algorithm and insert random delays and RAM scrambler
< 1345958304 532837 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't trust random delays, statistics can still win out
< 1345958330 95698 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the library shachaf linked is based around the idea of "no data-dependent branches or memory addresses" which seems solid
< 1345958341 795460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You have an initialization vector of a random length, which is then scrambled with the rest of the code and encrypted again using a different algorithm and with an unrelated key (it because insecure if you use related keys)
< 1345958344 888506 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can pick a fixed time that each operation should take, and wait the remainder
< 1345958403 974768 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: But then you need to also deal with power usage
< 1345958438 172735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think situations where you have to deal with power usage are pretty rare.
< 1345958450 249720 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-76.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: RE: NaCl, I *think* DJB is more qualified than most to actually do crypto well.
< 1345958465 731262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Of course.
< 1345958488 13705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: But even so.
< 1345958491 336991 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the number of eyeballs looking for dumb implementation bugs may well be as important as a solid understanding of the theory
< 1345958493 631400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they're only a few years old.
< 1345958500 937655 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-76.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, crypto and crypto attacks is what his math career largely is. :)
< 1345958511 241441 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tarsnap guy is also qualified to do crypto well, and yet he had a catastrophic dumb implementation bug ;)
< 1345958521 708163 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-76.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, yeah.
< 1345958546 417174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I'd rather use a stupid algorithm that a lot of smart people have failed to break than a smart algorithm that only one smart person has failed to break.
< 1345958552 87052 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-76.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crypto is one of those fields where minor bugs are nearly as catastrophic as "dur, rot13 is good".
< 1345958573 850104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that that's the situation here.)
< 1345958576 680144 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :security in general
< 1345958583 895348 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's about worst case rather than average case
< 1345958603 542315 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how many linux root exploits involve subsystems nobody ever uses, and/or code which never worked in the first place
< 1345958613 737650 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they finally removed econet
< 1345958662 510385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does econet mean?
< 1345958674 412016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Funny, it's just the sort of thing I'd expect you to use.
< 1345958679 532158 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :econet is a networking protocol used by Acorn home computers from the 1980's
< 1345958681 188470 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1345958684 606007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher over econet
< 1345958700 736951 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux had an implementation of it, which is mostly famous for a number of security holes
< 1345958719 31025 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unclear this implementation ever actually worked, and if so how long ago it was last used
< 1345958747 706129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case I suppose it is a good idea to remove it; whoever will use it can make a new implementation which has a better quality.
< 1345958759 337128 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another example is the code for loading 32-bit Video4Linux1 firmware onto a Video4Linux2 device on a 64-bit machine
< 1345958783 231402 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out, nobody had ever tried to do this, the code in the kernel had no chance of working but was easily abused to get root
< 1345958807 104824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders whether the Firefox gopher code has security bugs.

< 1345958814 162328 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah; what's worse is that many distributions shipped the econet module by default
< 1345958829 188236 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even worse, they would automatically load it if you tried to use the protocol from an unprivileged program
< 1345958831 770170 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-76.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Maybe. It's not there anymore though.
< 1345958840 788488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should just remove most of the stuff in the kernel since a lot of it too complicated
< 1345958907 124839 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also, any remaining users of Econet are almost certainly tunneling it over UDP, and might as well do that in userspace
< 1345958911 300999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't think the Firefox gopher code had security bugs; the Microsoft gopher code has many security issues, though.
< 1345958955 37100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What about the Plan 9 gopher code?
< 1345958980 269929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No, the problem is using too complicated operating systems (whether it is Windows or Linux or something else, it is still too complicated).
< 1345958983 569850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know.
< 1345958999 662157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess Glenda isn't a gopher. :-(
< 1345959015 400203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the golang mascot a gopher?
< 1345959031 429352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know but I do not think it is relevant.
< 1345959095 931715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: True. But neither is gopher.
< 1345959290 673662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make up the new computer system to not have all this complexity, it can be a single tasking system (if you need tasking switch you can store it on the hard drive) and not involving such complicated things as PDF and USB.
< 1345959320 814276 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many old computer systems with these properties
< 1345959356 485422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old one is too slow and it is out of sale.
< 1345959393 226917 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can run FreeDOS on your modern PC
< 1345959398 943841 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are free development tools for it
< 1345959420 647850 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-76.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty certain he finds x86 objectionable.
< 1345959429 982162 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-76.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as well he should)
< 1345959460 894185 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1345959473 542414 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are talking about hardware and not just software, then yes it's much harder to remake everything to be simpler
< 1345959491 175374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do happen to think FreeDOS is OK. There are certainly problems with x86 (I don't like the existence of CPUID command is one thing, and modern extensions to the instruction set tend to confuse everything)
< 1345959503 88467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That is why I have to try.
< 1345959517 64387 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i too find x86 objectionable
< 1345959531 886996 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i disagree with the more specific claim that x86 assembly is so much harder to write by hand
< 1345959539 667047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:17  for me, annoyance is a full time job
< 1345959567 838017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 assembly is in a lot of ways designed to be nice to write by hand.
< 1345959582 950038 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-76.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the later addons less so.
< 1345959590 868068 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-76.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But certainly, at its core it's meant that way.
< 1345959602 552030 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x87 code is not nice to write by hand :(
< 1345959640 164616 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-76.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what *was* it designed for?
< 1345959653 642382 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-76.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A register-stack sure isn't good for compilers.
< 1345959661 385485 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's just bad
< 1345959721 40715 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why it's designed the way it is
< 1345959730 144202 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-76.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's bad for all involved.
< 1345959738 506587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daniel Bernstein pointed out that 8-element stack + free swap can sometimes to more than an eight-register instruction set.
< 1345959762 117286 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about an eight register instruction set with free swap
< 1345959791 875863 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-76.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Way back when, that swap wasn't free. :)
< 1345959823 130735 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345959829 690605 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in what way is it better?
< 1345959838 947228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://cr.yp.to/qhasm/20050210-fxch.txt
< 1345959843 244618 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why don't you like CPUID
< 1345959962 897449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Because a program might not run if you replace the processor. In my idea one thing they could be able to do is, you can store the state of the program to disk and then replace all the components (including the disk) and turn on the program will still continue same as the other one (and if you copy it, both will run identically), is my idea of computer.
< 1345959999 708452 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: interesting
< 1345960002 220251 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including if all the parts are different manufacturer from what it was before.
< 1345960021 887970 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but that's also true if different CPUs have different features, regardless of whether you have an explicit way to identify them
< 1345960084 267181 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a real problem though
< 1345960093 213466 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xen can virtualize CPUID
< 1345960102 693106 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can indicate a baseline set of features that all your VM hosts support
< 1345960106 632667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why it would be made to not have different features, or, if they do have different features have a pin which you can connect to ground to indicate to use compatibility mode or not, so that you can activate the new features or you can turn them off by hardware.
< 1345960152 717663 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a problem for code that uses CPUID as a memory barrier)
< 1345960176 101608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes those may be some of the problems.
< 1345960975 62232 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-76.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345960987 95860 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-138-131.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345961266 330828 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-138-131.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345961284 402261 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-138-131.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345961533 910129 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta sleep, ttyl all
< 1345961691 632415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345961934 195888 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate Clojure protocols.
< 1345962785 304262 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1345963148 234272 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-165.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345963182 175051 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-138-131.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1345963573 329285 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-212.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345963588 21644 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-165.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345964599 671786 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :,(apply (partial some identity) '(true true false))
< 1345964605 789410 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :&(apply (partial some identity) '(true true false))
< 1345964610 327871 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1345964636 349558 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345966363 160112 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345966368 380696 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345967445 73110 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-174.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345967461 360889 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-212.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345969564 342097 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345969605 759687 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1345970095 40458 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345970100 423683 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345970222 44797 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1345970448 144471 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345970709 438044 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345970944 535225 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345971386 349876 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-143-220.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345971400 129948 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-174.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1345972214 492245 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345972229 526089 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345972954 707310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1345974409 290029 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-151-96.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345974429 138423 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-143-220.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345975521 511211 :cheater__!~cheater@87.174.162.223 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345975704 348479 :cheater_!~cheater@p57AEA01F.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1345976335 130064 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345977377 81783 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: _o7
< 1345977390 975543 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345977599 428335 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345977739 556233 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-128-77.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345977750 44237 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-128-77.as43234.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345978041 356828 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345978688 141374 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A905.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345979437 731191 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345980054 155891 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-142-25.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345980480 784515 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think I had a dream last night that there was a video on YouTube where some guy was putting some kittens in a glass of water.
< 1345980487 514891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they minded, actually.
< 1345980537 411605 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kittens love water
< 1345980964 17 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember checking the comments though.
< 1345981051 529408 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?????
< 1345981056 513664 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't check the comments????
< 1345981067 489746 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point then
< 1345981257 52610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know!
< 1345981416 142200 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm finally beginning to appreciate the idea of the right tool for the job, rather than one language to rule them all.
< 1345981431 179904 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, I think newLisp's the right language for a codenomic, but not for much else.
< 1345981462 433179 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.>
< 1345981512 34472 :mig22_!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345981632 541714 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1345981633 13618 :mig22_!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg NICK :mig22
< 1345982226 169275 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345982683 405064 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1345982708 401 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1345984594 564296 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133889.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345985176 621028 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345985205 743954 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345986094 686297 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-253.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345986114 202775 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-151-96.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1345986876 371345 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :// very readable code from boost
< 1345986876 562992 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef std::string::const_iterator interator_type;
< 1345986876 709088 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef client::employee_parser employee_parser
< 1345986876 709282 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :employee_parser g; // notice this is the first and last use of employee_parser
< 1345986887 611512 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133889.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]
< 1345987140 853026 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they always give non-virtual destructors to their classes?
< 1345987248 345840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the classes have any virtual functions? If not, maybe just to save the vtable costs.
< 1345987268 503134 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get an error because of that
< 1345987281 239459 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a class that derives from that class
< 1345987290 720736 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally that would only be a warning
< 1345987294 130190 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for some reason
< 1345987328 984766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe "they" don't want you to derive.
< 1345987340 716442 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their example does derive
< 1345987422 370473 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well their example doesn't work
< 1345987422 558236 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_51_0/libs/spirit/example/qi/employee.cpp
< 1345987422 558456 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't compile for me.
< 1345987499 474281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best %= operator override ever.
< 1345987516 220158 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345987529 880570 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345987743 777924 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345987759 543970 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345987863 699636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345987952 326553 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345988047 683499 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit
< 1345988057 926582 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345988472 489771 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1345988521 39504 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345988757 669353 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345988763 126571 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345989507 490454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345989945 437930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345990794 784389 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. back to spirit classic
< 1345991188 705551 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-178.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345991202 522407 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-253.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1345992893 513156 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22
< 1345994356 838345 :cheater__!~cheater@87.174.162.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1345994429 794619 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1345994458 482006 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345994631 39456 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i used boost::spirit once
< 1345994633 23567 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never again...
< 1345994779 979317 :cheater__!~cheater@p57AEA2DF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345994822 918782 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-62.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345994827 603559 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-178.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345995433 146579 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goo.gl/maps/M9T0H
< 1345995523 553891 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1345995542 803845 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elephant Butte, New Mexico
< 1345995548 980291 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is next to Truth or Consequences, New Mexico
< 1345995567 819594 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is named after a radio show
< 1345996147 387228 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345996525 575342 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it when one of mine comes up in CoaP
< 1345996534 73826 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm like, "This sounds familiar"
< 1345996540 218053 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Followed by, "This is awful"
< 1345996548 409407 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, "Oh, yay, it's one of mine."
< 1345996870 10837 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CoaP?
< 1345996873 214987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
< 1345996900 989976 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1345996909 605704 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comments on a Postcard.
< 1345997059 918317 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fourth least popular comic of DMM's
< 1345997119 174575 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After Infinity on 30 Credits a Day, Awkward Fumbles, at that one that never got off the ground
< 1345997225 58203 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now understand Clojure enough to be able to comment about it in my post about name conflicts
< 1345997226 356705 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe.
< 1345997232 11371 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no.
< 1345997241 935095 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1345997397 972004 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-219-65.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1345997599 252579 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo you so silly
< 1345997656 363823 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-219-65.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345997784 906865 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-227-89.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345997797 555216 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-62.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1345998084 245654 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-70.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345998144 852730 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-227-89.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1345998411 153041 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many Java+other JVM language developers actually stick to the domain name convention, and how many.. well, don't?
< 1345998464 716707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how you could measure that, except by some sort of a silly poll.
< 1345999062 528696 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I want to like Clojure but I don't want to start learning Java.
< 1345999169 165956 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java is easy
< 1345999195 521703 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not like Clojure is based on Java, it just has a Java FFI
< 1345999239 192114 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have to start learning about classpaths and probably similar things
< 1345999270 103381 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true
< 1345999279 588045 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found that aspect to be the worst part of using clojure, by far
< 1345999362 550762 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript all the way everywhere
< 1345999382 165169 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :420 smoke javascript everyday
< 1345999402 304875 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there is ClojureScript
< 1345999452 669497 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have  anything to do wi6th Clojure
< 1345999473 460689 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :262 code ecmascript everyday
< 1345999502 386449 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if Javascript is Scheme with Java syntax, then presumably ClojureScript is Java with Scheme syntax
< 1345999505 407711 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1345999563 426499 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka the least popular language you could possibly make
< 1345999699 178533 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, other than classpath stuff, do you generally like Clojure?
< 1345999975 551203 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-126.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346000680 82782 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346003519 50476 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1346003527 129482 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually got boost::spirit working
< 1346003534 256440 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be NICK :AnotherTest
< 1346004086 770543 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have only used it a little bit, but yes
< 1346004105 141459 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1346004700 187594 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: congratulations
< 1346004707 898470 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-185.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346004725 42513 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-70.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1346004739 994834 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: notice spirit classic; I don't think it's possible to get spirit 2 working
< 1346004798 171172 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1346004937 561445 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346004957 124215 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh... semantic actions can take functors
< 1346004972 917619 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lambda is a functor in C++...
< 1346004980 350219 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, the X1 Carbon has an optional USB 3.0 "dock" box with two DVI outputs
< 1346004986 634480 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how much video you can push through USB 3.0
< 1346005047 193236 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-185.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's nominally 5 Gbit/s.
< 1346005058 869915 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++: annoying people by misusing the word "functor" since 1983
< 1346005071 974514 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-185.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not an awesome video card, but should be acceptable at least.
< 1346005074 872570 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that USB 2.0 video boxes are usually rather shit
< 1346005087 808599 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway yeah, should suffice for business graphics
< 1346005092 907931 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1346005103 285030 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: function object :D?
< 1346005118 880555 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-185.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's go with "closure".
< 1346005122 98766 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :our school has usb2 kvm systems
< 1346005147 863264 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :pkhq_: no, a function object isn't always a closure; a closure is a function object though
< 1346005211 653079 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :reason: a function object does not have a capture
< 1346005280 580474 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-185.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you're distinguishing between closures that don't close and closures that do? :)
< 1346005305 426451 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this new topic
< 1346005308 434833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Does it mention whether it has a video chipset on the dock, or just something to feed through the image generated by the computer itself? Single-link DVI maximum data rate is just 4 Gbit/s, you could almost even push that raw over USB, let alone encoded somehow. (Though it'd be weird.)
< 1346005321 310795 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :pkhq_: in C++, yes
< 1346005324 630477 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure, i'm guessing it's a video chipset in the dock
< 1346005330 743436 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :pkhq_: and maybe always
< 1346005333 710821 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-185.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a highly arbitrary and meaningless distinction.
< 1346005460 52124 :donmarquis!~~donmarqu@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346005501 522702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Google says the dock has a http://www.displaylink.com/usb3/index.php on it, and the spec sheet of that speaks a lot about video compression.
< 1346005515 152770 :impomatic!~digital_w@176.18.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346005588 493582 :donmarquis!~~donmarqu@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1346005706 855263 :donmarquis!~~donmarqu@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346006814 207097 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1346007184 883563 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-126.elisa.ee QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346007539 585168 :donmarquis!~~donmarqu@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1346007657 291786 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.refheap.com/paste/4643
< 1346008038 720192 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-51.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346008067 160732 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-185.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346008104 510691 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: lol
< 1346008120 262104 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1346008124 122789 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's funny?
< 1346008128 709812 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1346008145 516690 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, the "WARNING! UNTESTED!" is now obsolete
< 1346008225 246101 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1346008293 730379 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is my code really that bad that it's "lol" worthy?
< 1346008299 293330 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346008676 107678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346009586 826177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: To be fair, most everybody misuses the word "functor" somehow.
< 1346010445 569290 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-51.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346010451 20549 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-226-103.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346010572 429410 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur
< 1346010580 372769 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1346010971 210524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346011005 97822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346011022 361098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346011034 743694 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-158-138.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346011040 789968 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-226-103.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1346011429 490773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:35:06:  i gather that there are a lot of fun things to do in LA, most of which i have not done
< 1346011432 534328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:35:18:  i never even went to the beach, despite living a few minutes' bike ride away for a summer
< 1346011498 521775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have gone through LA twice in my life, just enough to get a horrible sunburn on the beach the second time.  (the first time we'd forgot to get visas so we had to stay at the airport, technically under guard)
< 1346011584 565058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this may have been one of the times i shed 3 layers of skin on my shoulders
< 1346011682 412659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall it was rather fascinating to watch once the pain got relieved
< 1346011731 635650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if he should have put a NSFL warning on that

< 1346011796 238541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:23:39:  we alone on earth can rebel against the tyranny of the selfish replicators
< 1346011807 629245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1346011839 572565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :paradoxical yet probably essential to humanity's survival.
< 1346011919 607248 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-158-138.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346011922 549104 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-147-119.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346012196 618747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :May contain: soy strawberries, chocolate people, vanilla computer programming, natto esoteric, tarragon THX deep note, mutton ecliptic longitude, camomile tea, some CPU locusts, rutabaga nonsensical analogies and theories, hummus matrices of solidity, pudding lovecraftian horrors, and no Ice-9. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki
< 1346012274 728969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given our topics, it's maybe not so unexpected that people come here looking for the other sort of esoterica.
< 1346012282 577332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think?
< 1346012321 208950 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also topic of #esoteric-en doesn't help
< 1346012345 65046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think.
< 1346012354 881592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You, think!
< 1346012370 380766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :youth ink
< 1346012389 923590 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3:18 -!- Topic for #esoteric-en: Visit #esoteric if you want to speak about occultism andvwitchcraft
< 1346012398 931547 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346012420 648984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently that's a festival
< 1346012477 185332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hunk it, yo.
< 1346012812 174500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote kmc gentle.introduction
< 1346012812 361511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: i started to read the "tutorial" and it was incomprehensible. makes the Gentle Introduction to Haskell look like Teach Yourself PHP in 24 Hours
< 1346012824 7840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Isn't the Gentle Introduction the "tutorial"?
< 1346013012 970894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/bEdX - N900 dmesg is the most useful ever. (All the hard keys are hooked to the GPIO pins, and the driver reports all state changes.)
< 1346015506 536793 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346015720 494315 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: grep -v GPIO
< 1346015778 859794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Arc_Koen 
< 1346015787 980449 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1346015789 527936 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1346015809 819089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit quiet here right now
< 1346015813 751329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Doesn't help all that much since the GPIO stuff has pushed other things out of the message buffer. (Okay, it only matters for historic matters, but still.)
< 1346015862 387487 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-147-70.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346015864 533497 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-147-119.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346016099 589787 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346016241 368614 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346016291 34777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn internet is slow :(
< 1346016323 233464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should build a faster one.
< 1346016329 101125 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the ATS tutorial
< 1346016391 188110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1346016405 940376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sympathizes.

< 1346016484 448585 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know the context of the selfish replicators quote
< 1346016577 962826 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why did you bring up that quote?
< 1346016592 417205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It came up in #haskell.
< 1346016603 398035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which for some reason I'm still in.
< 1346016612 167465 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you think up some entertaining misuses of crypto for the next CTF?
< 1346016616 280091 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm composing a list in an email to gdb
< 1346016624 200126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk has a new lens combinator for filtering, called "iwhere".
< 1346016633 351630 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :filter combinators, reinvented
< 1346016663 459924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why I called it a "combinator".
< 1346016672 345918 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because anything sounds better if you call it a combinator?
< 1346016675 270703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a combinator? Why did I even use that word? I don't know what it means. :-(
< 1346016708 407104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just reading 
< 1346016709 558855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of taking the bus, take the mobile people combinator.
< 1346016718 50390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could probably take each DON'T line and turn it into a fun CTF challenge.
< 1346016734 493377 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1346016743 583949 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got some ideas from http://chargen.matasano.com/chargen/2009/7/22/if-youre-typing-the-letters-a-e-s-into-your-code-youre-doing.html
< 1346016755 988941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you mention something about length-extension attacks?
< 1346016771 551943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the thing Flickr had.
< 1346016799 475258 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1346016836 807954 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you finish the web CTF then?
< 1346016889 382838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. :-( I haven't worked on it.
< 1346016898 17614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But today is a good day for it, as soon as I finish $THING.
< 1346017043 681290 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1346017104 954725 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: huh, that presentation says to use AES-256, despite the related-key attack
< 1346017129 615876 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it says not to use combined authentication/encryption modes
< 1346017132 808168 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't say why
< 1346017158 508901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1346017196 429264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he has a follow-up post that clarifies some of it.
< 1346017241 440461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do related-key attacks generally matter?
< 1346017295 779958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2009-06-11-cryptographic-right-answers.html
< 1346017356 797194 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this related key attack doesn't matter specifically
< 1346017382 866369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the one on AES-256 is only theoretical anyway.
< 1346017385 481971 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is a notion that cryptosystems with known but impractical attacks are more likely to develop practical attacks eventually
< 1346017422 928533 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I did mention the issue of authenticated encryption modes, but to elaborate a bit: CTR mode has the very nice property that the attacker has absolutely no control over what operations you perform. This makes a big difference -- almost all side channel attacks require chosen inputs."
< 1346017443 424694 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1346017478 841940 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, i had forgotten that using a separate HMAC requires you to choose between Encrypt-and-MAC, MAC-then-encrypt, and Encrypt-then-MAC
< 1346017489 402504 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and experts don't even agree on which of these is better
< 1346017500 850965 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a point in favor of authenticated encryption modes
< 1346017511 850589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think everyone agrees that encrypt-and-MAC is bad.
< 1346017614 817597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the argument that standalone authentication is much cheaper than decryption+authentication, so a system that can reject unauthenticated ciphertexts early is much more resilient to a DoS.
< 1346017622 113681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming you encrypt-then-MAC.)
< 1346017631 187583 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1346017642 176095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess he wrote about that.
< 1346017646 469023 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which relates to the side channel argument as well
< 1346017930 949678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSH does encrypt-and-MAC?
< 1346017951 290449 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you're distributing client code which speaks to a server you operate, there is no need to use SSL; instead, you can distribute the server's public RSA key (or its hash) along with the client code, and "bootstrap" the security process that way. I do this in FreeBSD for the FreeBSD Update and Portsnap services, and I also do this in Tarsnap. It's simple; it works; and it's secure."
< 1346017972 480231 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you squint right, this endorses what Mosh does
< 1346018039 660551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the sense that "send-key-over-SSL" is similar to "send-key-over-SSH"?
< 1346018055 173255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By SSL I mean https when you're downloading the client code, presumably.
< 1346018069 298309 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1346018079 611668 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rejecting the complexity of SSL for the client app itself, when you don't need it
< 1346018091 816912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh doesn't send an asymmetric key at all, does it?
< 1346018096 436615 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh goes further in having symmetric crypto only
< 1346018097 841475 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1346018110 762581 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously this doesn't work if you have multiple mutually-untrusting clients connecting to the same service
< 1346018122 564112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand that makes you more reliant on SSL/SSH, since you have to use it every time rather than just the first time.
< 1346018137 521073 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes and no
< 1346018160 174993 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone could write a special purpose mosh-server-launching daemon using RSA in the manner Tarnsap guy describes
< 1346018171 34729 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would still be a separate component from mosh-server itself
< 1346018252 718107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1346018294 600098 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone already wrote a HTTP-based mosh launcher
< 1346018312 329955 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some questionable security properties
< 1346018392 484814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why questionable?
< 1346018431 535511 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the docs said nothing about the fact that you should run it over HTTPS, and had an example of running it over HTTP-not-S
< 1346018444 972079 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i pointed this out, the author said it was "obvious" that you needed to use HTTPS, so why bother putting this in the docs
< 1346018475 679551 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had some other problems too, some of which they did fix
< 1346018524 697294 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had some homebrew authentication mechanism, and i think v1 of this was vulnerable to a path traversal
< 1346018542 644602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I ln -s /usr/bin/mosh-server ~/public_html/cgi-bin/
< 1346018554 733243 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh doesn't contain public-key crypto code but perhaps more importantly, it doesn't contain authentication code
< 1346018583 482079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https doesn't really have a mechanism for client-side authentication.
< 1346018625 909750 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has client certificates!
< 1346018631 218698 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are used extensively at MIT
< 1346018636 109242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, true.
< 1346018640 899686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard of anybody using them.
< 1346018655 556639 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIT is weird :)
< 1346018745 594553 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you know that ECB mode is the default for Java crypto APIs?
< 1346018757 762429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECB mode is the default for all crypto APIs that support it.
< 1346018770 391442 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't some APIs have no default?
< 1346018777 40912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAcert.org uses SSL client certificates for user login.
< 1346018781 773298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"default" in the sense of "requires the fewest parameters"
< 1346018786 377784 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1346018791 946641 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that if you don't choose one, it uses ECB
< 1346018793 64956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't know what you're doing, you'll pick the one that looks easiest.
< 1346018794 130886 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i could be wrong
< 1346018798 398922 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah...
< 1346018807 174430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And OpenVPN setups use SSL client certificates quite often, I believe.
< 1346018820 484531 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :level 0 of the crypto CTF would involve finding patterns in an ECB-encrypted file, i think
< 1346018830 499321 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the Tux image on wikipedia
< 1346018872 94386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a great image.
< 1346019058 262971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there ever a reason to use a mode other than CTR mode when you're not doing combined encryption-authentication?
< 1346019195 141430 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1346019225 358718 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTR requires a nonce, which could be annoying
< 1346019249 87223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What mode doesn't?
< 1346019255 787584 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nevertheless, there are specialized attacks like a Hardware Fault Attack that is based on the usage of a simple counter function as input."
< 1346019262 116512 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CBC doesn't
< 1346019270 744195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CBC has an IV
< 1346019278 767990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between an IV and a nonce?
< 1346019281 204130 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, right, i guess that's the same thing basically
< 1346019283 411888 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1346019367 174106 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346019389 662721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a crypto-failure T-shirt bought from Bletchley Park; it's describing the occasion when Germans once resent a message (with different typos) reusing -- against the regulations -- the Lorentz stream cipher settings that had been used for the original message. Both were intercepted, with predictable results: http://www.codesandciphers.org.uk/lorenz/fish.htm
< 1346019413 407885 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the nonce have to be secret in either case?
< 1346019425 84720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not supposed to be secret.
< 1346019512 158852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really there's no point in separating the nonce and the counter, as far as I can tell.
< 1346019529 973027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of having an n-bit nonce and an n-bit counter, just have a 2n-bit counter that starts at a random point.
< 1346019552 939266 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The one snag with Enigma of course is the fact that if you press A, you can get every other letter but A. I picked up this message and—one was so used to looking at things and making instant decisions—I thought: 'Something's gone. What has this chap done. There is not a single L in this message.' My chap had been told to send out a dummy message and he had just had a fag [cigarette] and pressed the last key on the keyboard, the L
< 1346019558 923667 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that was the only letter that didn't come out. We had got the biggest crib we ever had, the encypherment was LLLL, right through the message and that gave us the new wiring for the wheel [rotor]. That's the sort of thing we were trained to do. Instinctively look for something that had gone wrong or someone who had done something silly and torn up the rule book.'
< 1346019587 440051 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah
< 1346019603 793184 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...they had to translate "fag" and "wheel"...?
< 1346019605 209254 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good grief
< 1346019615 940496 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone objected that the incrementing plaintext nonce in mosh packets makes it easy to identify the traffic as mosh traffic
< 1346019627 91152 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by someone i mean jacob appelbaum
< 1346019639 171590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:17  challenge/response protocol that is symetrical so that you can pass back the challenge to the remote as if it was your challenge
< 1346019642 144108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:17  and the response you get ack can be used as your response
< 1346019644 652567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:17  diffie-hellman without checking that the challenge you get is in the proper range (ie. so that the attacker can pass in a value that is zero modulu N)
< 1346019647 658964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:18  using number-of-seconds-since-epoch as the seed to a PRNG which is used to generate an important secret.
< 1346019650 654080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:19  using a weak PRNG which can easily be predicted from past values, or alternately one with a very small output space
< 1346019669 456673 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1346019679 473757 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i've seen the srand(time(NULL)) used to generate AES keys
< 1346019684 654785 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw this on stackoverflow anyway
< 1346019687 341706 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-147-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah!
< 1346019714 909213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a program running on your system which generates random tokens using time(NULL). :-(
< 1346019716 4250 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see on Windows, the OpenSSL PRNG requires seeding
< 1346019718 853124 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-147-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C rand() should only be used for games and such where all the entropy that matters is "eh, looks random I guess".
< 1346019734 169217 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what system?
< 1346019763 574648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably report the bug before saying it, or something.
< 1346019779 277610 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's acceptable but not ideal for situations where the randomness is not as important as the fact that there are arbitrary numbers
< 1346019780 980295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:20  having a buggy challenge-response implementation where you expect to get back Encr(n+1) as a verifier, but due to bug in impl you actualy require Encr(n) as verifier
< 1346019785 3735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:20  (ie. the "n+1" function has bug that makes it a nop)
< 1346019785 993036 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hash salts come to mind)
< 1346019787 101532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Low bits of old-old C rand()s shouldn't even be used for that. :p
< 1346019787 479829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:22  having a strong RNG, but always using it after a fork() in a server daemon so that the value sent out by the daemon always uses the same random sequence for each session
< 1346019791 607450 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1346019826 548817 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346019827 816520 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1346019831 109657 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi newsham
< 1346019854 309243 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i pass on your suggestions to the people who might be running a crypto-related wargame?
< 1346019858 700314 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1346019860 152258 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "might be" i mean "i am trying to convince them to"
< 1346019860 836484 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1346019870 816937 :Nisstyre_!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1346019877 943690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should run it yourself!
< 1346019886 862220 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much work
< 1346019889 431191 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- having a protocol where replaying a transaction can cause somethign bad to happen, and not having any liveness in the protocol that prevents an old message (encrypted/authenticated) to by simply replayed
< 1346019927 364000 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- having an authenticator that covers a bunch of important fields, but leaves some important field unprotected (and hence tamperable)
< 1346019948 232141 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly due to oversight or possibly due to bug where the authenticator length is incorrect
< 1346020131 945550 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- using a really small keyspace so that brute force is trivial
< 1346020292 671062 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i bet you could construct a fun situation where the message length field is the unprotected one
< 1346020300 390587 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :allowing you to send a truncation of any legitimate message
< 1346020307 797861 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of the opposite of a hash extension attack
< 1346020359 418116 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric
< 1346020402 345809 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :truncation attack.. woot
< 1346020436 473449 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like you have an authenticator over the whole msg but not of the pseudodata like what session its from or what IP its from
< 1346020441 975437 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that other sessions or other IPs can replay the msg
< 1346020483 3543 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps: if this is going to be a public game, i'd love to hear about it.. love even more if its available for use offline after the game is done
< 1346020529 51796 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Security isn't easy
< 1346020533 134272 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm suggesting it to the people who are currently running https://stripe-ctf.com
< 1346020797 171952 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1346020873 608146 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: indeed
< 1346021005 59477 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :security is super easy
< 1346021009 263159 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just hard to add functionality
< 1346021043 889694 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all really turing and church's fault
< 1346021098 569533 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :security was hard before computers too =(
< 1346021127 508607 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION spent a lot of time performing privilege escalation attacks on pin tumbler lock systems

< 1346021145 544340 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346021153 318206 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be really cool to know if one way functions exist
< 1346021160 994467 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh.. locks arent designed to be hard to break
< 1346021166 510275 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're designed to be cheap and convenient
< 1346021200 449740 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feynman did a bit of stuff with locks
< 1346021213 373023 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some of these were medeco "high security" locks
< 1346021219 892437 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read abou that in "you're full of shit, mr. feynman"
< 1346021223 459882 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1346021236 926454 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :typical house locks are a joke, even i can pick those
< 1346021258 289091 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever heard of bump keys?
< 1346021275 30403 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup.  nifty when they work.. not always suitable
< 1346021286 555250 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube has a bazillion videos on em
< 1346021308 466580 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at school we had mailbox locks which were so shitty that basically any key could be used as a bump key
< 1346021384 21574 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once tried my house key on a school door lock
< 1346021387 419162 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it just happened to work
< 1346021395 396579 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that one lock though
< 1346021396 782122 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1346021426 433976 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I calculated the chances of that happening with a random lock
< 1346021429 987314 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what they were
< 1346021443 582297 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But higher than 1 in 70000
< 1346021454 403026 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think anyway
< 1346021461 31265 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1346021464 364402 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that in feynman's book, too?
< 1346021475 394750 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal house key has 5 pins, with maybe 10 possible heights for each
< 1346021500 63383 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it was at a school they might have made master keys, which increases the odds of a random match
< 1346021502 142946 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible the school lock was missing pins or was excessively worn such that more keys would open it
< 1346021505 124688 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or master keys, yeah
< 1346021517 188073 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 10⁵
< 1346021543 307415 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 1/100000
< 1346021545 252649 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :increases dramatically... if the master key doesn't share any heights with the other key, you now have 2^5 = 32 keys that can open that lock
< 1346021549 449913 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and many systems have more than one master
< 1346021581 163916 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the priv esc that i alluded to is that you can disassemble a few locks in low security areas and thereby compute the master key which works on high security areas too
< 1346021585 999544 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure about the 10 heights?
< 1346021592 145748 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure it's less than that
< 1346021676 247527 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :schlage locks have 10 heights: http://www.clksupplies.com/shop/schlage-pins-bottom-pins-c-22_33_69.html?osCsid=3c7748ac9175559f241b14333637e96e
< 1346021717 570829 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and being off by 1/10th of the height results in no-open?
< 1346021753 272560 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends
< 1346021769 243594 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a key which is halfway between official heights will open locks of either height, with enough jiggling
< 1346021793 657571 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you kind of learn the magic wiggle to make each of your handmade master keys open each lock
< 1346021824 944654 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so more like 5^x than 10^x?
< 1346021827 885948 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the master and non-master heights in a given pin will never be adjacent, though
< 1346021836 666568 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the spacer between them would be too small
< 1346021849 824920 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, FreeFull's house key is probably closer to spec
< 1346021860 897683 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not exactly halfway between heights
< 1346021896 373954 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is lazy locksmith at the school didn't fill all the columns
< 1346021899 256039 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could just be luck
< 1346021908 388569 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet luck
< 1346021911 240019 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one thing happens to you every second, you should expect a one-in-a-million coincedence about once a month
< 1346021912 909222 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346021947 433133 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its never the lotto
< 1346021954 601640 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its always the clock reading "1234"
< 1346021973 143884 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-142-25.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1346021975 952288 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or pbs having the mr. rogers neighbhood music video on right as you're flipping
< 1346022156 641042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : at school we had mailbox locks which were so shitty that basically any key could be used as a bump key
< 1346022177 775030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a locker in my old school that you could unlock by sticking your thumb in the middle and twisting.
< 1346022182 793605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may have been broken.
< 1346022228 24553 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can "pick" Master brand padlocks just by hitting a metal bit at the back of the lock
< 1346022231 60950 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring the pins
< 1346022454 47627 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346022885 136476 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346022945 473870 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, sadly news-ham is no longer among us
< 1346023281 398889 :impomatic!~digital_w@176.18.112.87.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric
< 1346023493 325320 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346023633 194253 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-147-70.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1346023658 720557 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, Newegg sells a 21" monitor with 2560 x 2048 resolution
< 1346023661 563317 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for only $10,599
< 1346023761 703954 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19370582 Broadcasts in 8K will offer a resolution of 7,680 by 4,320 pixels - roughly the equivalent of a 32 megapixel photo.
< 1346023781 266670 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I suspect that we won't see this become available to consumers below $10,000 until 2025," Paul O'Donovan, principal analyst at the tech consultancy Gartner, told the BBC.
< 1346024001 893884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear those fishy Korean 27" 2560xsomething LCDs are nice.
< 1346024069 247394 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also cool: outdoors
< 1346024158 60117 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what this "Large Format Monitor" category is
< 1346024178 615339 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem to be HDTVs, without the tuner?
< 1346024198 604762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Outdoors got way better when I got the high-resolution expansion.
< 1346024208 580769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think kmc got that too recently.
< 1346024209 504247 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i smell price discrimination
< 1346024215 373082 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1346024830 769349 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 7680 * 4320
< 1346024831 741904 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  33177600
< 1346024856 8490 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is cheaper, HDTVs or those?
< 1346024936 616897 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appears to be the HDTVs.
< 1346024941 470954 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird.
< 1346024956 347814 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a "Large Format Monitor Built in TV Tuner"
< 1346025039 299908 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HDTVs are a consumer product, LFMs are a business product, everyone knows a business can't just buy a consumer product even if it does the same exact thing
< 1346025076 286692 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a shame it's near impossible to get reasonably accurate measurements of the performance of displays...
< 1346025093 169109 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1000000:1 contrast!"
< 1346025094 431179 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of performance, and why is it impossible?
< 1346025104 850739 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sure, disregard the manufacturer's claims
< 1346025115 773674 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bull fucking crap you're not getting 1000000:1 contrast.
< 1346025117 597186 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are a fair number of websites giving detailed data on contrast, color reproduction, etc
< 1346025132 298565 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/ has some pretty comprehensive tests
< 1346025133 784586 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was refering to manufacturer's claims.
< 1346025139 50037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: "our patented blackbody monitors..."
< 1346025147 358275 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, if you look for enthusiasts who measure things sanely, you're good.
< 1346025149 544676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346025170 693742 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "We accurately display both the brightness of 0k and the sun!"
< 1346025180 938387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually can even a blackbody get that, at room temperature...
< 1346025191 447579 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who said room temperature?
< 1346025195 475804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1346025200 965289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jolly good then
< 1346025270 51148 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safety waiver required for purchase; temperatures of 0K may not be appropriate for corporeal beings.
< 1346025286 547971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor the sun one, incidentally
< 1346025305 857718 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's much easier for enthusiasts to objectively review monitors compared to (say) laptop battery life
< 1346025320 776389 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are actual objective measurements to be made there.
< 1346025321 678772 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reviewers will come up with battery life numbers differing by 2+ hours on similar-sounding tests
< 1346025337 223292 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's more, the objective measurements map very well to *what you actually care about*.
< 1346025357 114274 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A monitor with bad contrast will actually look like shit.
< 1346025377 532737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Area Man purchases Large Format Monitor with Built-in TV Tuner"
< 1346025429 732051 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346025471 226868 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1346025580 734238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly that is probably too obscure for the onion?
< 1346025646 797847 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PART :#esoteric
< 1346025649 489258 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346025661 327342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Braber01 
< 1346025665 197686 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does a contrast spec like "DC 2,000,000:1 (1000:1)" even mean?
< 1346025666 6065 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braber01: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1346025673 507608 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it mean "here is a made up number and the real contrast is 1000:1"
< 1346025679 211541 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are All brainfuck interperters Diffret? I think I might be reading the Table wrong too.
< 1346025687 440911 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: "We accurately display both the brightness of 0k and the sun!"
< 1346025688 828983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh
< 1346025693 529006 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Diffrent
< 1346025704 747847 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ratio would involve dividing by 0.
< 1346025704 960414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braber01: which table?
< 1346025722 505096 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII table that's the one i need to use right?
< 1346025732 209510 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, yes it would. :D
< 1346025748 747872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braber01: please give a link
< 1346025754 171547 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hence why I named only the smallest and largest points in the range, not the ratio.
< 1346025755 101902 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braber01: I do not understand what you mean
< 1346025763 257683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346025764 924641 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=ASCII+table this.
< 1346025767 283689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the ASCII table for what purpose?
< 1346025771 953959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X
< 1346025777 467047 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sun is the hottest a blackbody can go?
< 1346025797 535440 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to find the decimal value of a letter
< 1346025803 456943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braber01: That ASCII table is OK, yes.
< 1346025805 314107 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com NICK :BraberAFK
< 1346025806 680148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braber01: ASCII table? I don't know the context, but you should have basically ~no use for one of those in 2012.
< 1346025810 981611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck does normally use ASCII.
< 1346025817 113066 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: uh
< 1346025818 624513 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :disagree
< 1346025830 654199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? No, brainfuck deals in 8-bit-binary-except-you-can't-input-the-NUL-byte.
< 1346025857 373281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, rephrase: "if you think you want an ASCII table, there's a very high probability you're wrong; if you're not wrong, then you probably don't need to ask any questions about it, or whatever".
< 1346025867 546757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually you can input the NUL byte, but there isn't a way to distinguish EOF from whatever value is used for indicating EOF.
< 1346025868 374492 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for greater-than-8-bit Brainfuck, which instead deals in nobody-implements-that. :)
< 1346025873 488267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Double rephrase: in an ideal world, you'd have no use for one. :(
< 1346025875 404094 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i mean, i use "man ascii" pretty often
< 1346025894 932607 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, how else are you meant to get a quick reference for ASCII?
< 1346025902 663255 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: visiting #esoteric? what's the occasion
< 1346025906 24485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, OK. But presumably in the context of using it as a subset-of-Unicode table. (Can we have "man unicodetable"?)
< 1346025909 136434 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to call it a table of the first 128 Unicode characters and their UTF-8 encodings, rather than an ASCII table, sure
< 1346025910 748125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: party.
< 1346025924 254795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer ASCII.
< 1346025924 973821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's the "ASCII" bit that's the problem.
< 1346025934 102091 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but you can have "man iso-8859-1" :(
< 1346025949 211994 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :16-bit Brainfuck works decently if you let EOF=-1 and read bytes, for instance...
< 1346025964 261172 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Brainfuck programs will even work there.
< 1346025966 254736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16-bit brainfuck is ugly. So is EOF-as-0 brainfuck. So is EOF-as-unchanging brainfuck.
< 1346025974 304573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spoiler: there is no non-ugly brainfuck IO scheme!!
< 1346025987 60077 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stick to ASCII so that i can use ISO 2022 to map line drawing characters into the upper half of byte space 
< 1346025990 273509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But just use 8-bit-and-EOF-as-0, because everyone else does, except for the people who don't, but they're wrong.)
< 1346025995 266530 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though none that I write; if I'm doing Brainfuck, I'm using the mod-2^8-1 arithmetic for all it's worth. >:D
< 1346025996 307579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes that does work. And, if the input is known 7-bit ASCII and using 8-bit cells then you could use 255 for EOF.
< 1346026009 705281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the input might not be 7-bit ASCII, it might be 8-bit input instead.
< 1346026013 278302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: man iso-8859-1 upsets me.
< 1346026015 584779 :Nisstyre_!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346026023 856272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It doesn't even have a deprecation warning or a BUGS section.
< 1346026040 947555 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you should use 0x03 or 0x04 for EOF
< 1346026052 489502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BraberAFK: brainfuck doesn't really care about character codes, it just uses binary except for that EOF problem.  for example the brainfuck bots in this channel should work best if you use utf-8, since that's the recommended character set for this irc channel.
< 1346026073 796951 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you could use the end of transmission code just to indicate the end of transmission if your input only has one transmission.
< 1346026076 956741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hey, can you use your wiki admin powers to block cpressey for reminding me of the featured language thing?
< 1346026080 682523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!Tëstung
< 1346026081 154127 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tëstung
< 1346026086 128444 :BraberAFK!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346026097 824413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure, sure, as soon as i get them
< 1346026102 54436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK, done.
< 1346026108 39492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Block/Chris_Pressey
< 1346026110 196417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go for it!
< 1346026190 217585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like ISO 8859-1; I prefer CP437.
< 1346026220 61777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did newsham go?
< 1346026229 194088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was told there was newsham.
< 1346026259 973745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc doesn't count, he's just an old sham.
< 1346026264 719320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there seem to be some problem using CP437 with Linux, but I made up a program to allow the full CP437 character set used with Linux, in addition to the shift-in/shift-out codes also work
< 1346026266 607719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: (the joke is you are old)
< 1346026268 268984 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1346026272 866616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: gosh darn it there seems to be a bug preventing me.
< 1346026285 894347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Huh. I'm going to block you for exploiting a bug, then.
< 1346026300 594959 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in the Linux VT?
< 1346026303 307318 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does this program work?
< 1346026304 886879 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :block mauriceling too
< 1346026314 264831 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, I suppose if you're going to use an 8-bit encoding, you might as well use the classic one. :P
< 1346026315 344820 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently newsham left
< 1346026323 376818 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know he was even here
< 1346026333 643294 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then how could he have left
< 1346026355 114340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes. The program works by loading stuff using the character encoding files, setting environment variables, and setting escape codes.
< 1346026357 397187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that's a really good poem
< 1346026375 7317 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost a haiku.
< 1346026380 202506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you know Rust?
< 1346026386 400352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote beautiful summer
< 1346026389 960518 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :471)  beautiful summer / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
< 1346026405 746736 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly "iconv -f cp437" does not have the graphical renderings for 0x00 - 0x1F
< 1346026412 739915 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, but i've looked through the language docs here and there
< 1346026426 652510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I know; but my program fixes that so that you can use all of the graphical renderings.
< 1346026432 101400 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I guess there is an ioctl() to set the console font?
< 1346026436 10484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That's what "know" means, silly.
< 1346026445 569278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: remember when you said funny things like that
< 1346026450 388800 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::')
< 1346026473 491523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Maybe there is; I don't know. I am using a shell script (it must be loaded with . rather than as an executable file).
< 1346026506 380101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/backup/load_mzx_ascii    http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/backup/newunimap.1
< 1346026522 840996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ragaraja
< 1346026528 162008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK this is worse than I remember.
< 1346026536 260596 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do the escape codes do?
< 1346026542 344143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, like, the Platonic worst Brainfuck derivative.
< 1346026552 268514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Read the manual page
< 1346026617 634722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will also need the file called "mzx_ascii.chr", you can get it in http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/mzx1/mzx_extended/megazeux_src.zip do a list before extracting it to find the directory it is in and extract the single file called "mzx_ascii.chr" from there.
< 1346026627 561117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Anyway, tell me about Rust.
< 1346026632 874557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if you want to.
< 1346026647 616244 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember glancing at the rust docs
< 1346026648 367113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file "mzx_ascii.chr" appears to be in the root directory of the archive.
< 1346026652 871439 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't rmeember anything about the rust docs
< 1346026658 514593 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that i glanced at them
< 1346026667 383965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it reminds me a bit of NSQX
< 1346026706 378851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but I don't think even he stooped this low.
< 1346026715 825192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his Unicode edits
< 1346026715 971370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me, NSQX was an artist
< 1346026724 390351 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the ultimate in heaping worthless bloat onto Brainfuck.
< 1346026725 949441 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uniCode "at least it's not a brainfuck derivative"
< 1346026734 91800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog no quality any ?more
< 1346026765 423203 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-04-10.txt:11:55:58: * NSQX thinks there is no quality anymore
< 1346026785 2731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See?
< 1346026789 413291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1346026789 559139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He knows the pain of bad esolangs.
< 1346026834 714646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do i have administrative permission to make snide comments on mauriceling's talk page
< 1346026860 138468 :BraberAFK!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346026882 194902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no.
< 1346026935 558659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit man
< 1346026951 300492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait didn't you already make some
< 1346027007 546046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it turns out that was on his mainspace article's talk page.
< 1346027014 943470 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I just feel stupid.
< 1346027061 776802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type foldr
< 1346027062 759480 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> b -> b) -> b -> [a] -> b
< 1346027063 876428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type foldl
< 1346027064 929565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> b -> a) -> a -> [b] -> a
< 1346027074 41806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: actually the snide comment on Talk:Ragaraja is ehird's
< 1346027093 491944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was from when it was a giant empty table though.
< 1346027105 466728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN IT GOT WORSE
< 1346027127 96681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: :(
< 1346027133 868005 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1346027161 655708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you to tell me about Rust and then I said "if you want to" and now I'm frowning.
< 1346027163 56585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That wasn't snide!
< 1346027167 712018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I actually honestly had no idea if it was a joke or not.
< 1346027168 979559 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1346027172 301313 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should just read the docs
< 1346027174 209473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It had no commands at the time.
< 1346027178 760980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I know. :(
< 1346027190 139482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ö'QUAY
< 1346027229 825896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: But, you know, if you take "k", go five letters left on a QWERTY keyboard, press down, then go to "m", go up-right twice, press down, and then finally to go "c" and press it, and then press "s", you get "docs".
< 1346027243 735078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So I think by "read the docs" you mean "ask me".
< 1346027256 142234 :BraberAFK!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346027266 642271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argument by keyboard metric
< 1346027352 340050 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346027363 149238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, O'Quay, the famed Irish docking dynasty.
< 1346027383 551017 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry about that One of the new interfaces in Linux isn't working well. 
< 1346027414 36328 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make a loop in bf. you would do someting like +++++[+>+++++<-] right?
< 1346027424 433040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braber01: i suddenly realize that your problem is probably not really the ASCII table, since even if it's slightly inaccurate you'd probably be able to work with it...
< 1346027435 912593 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braber01, yes.
< 1346027450 666999 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that loop is infinite, you probably meant something else.
< 1346027481 588830 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[]
< 1346027485 39790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: only with bignums
< 1346027486 641252 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1346027506 81801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++[+>+++++<-]>.
< 1346027511 574003 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1346027520 12518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, nope, the cell used for testing the loop is unchanged by the loop body.
< 1346027523 292741 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm a little confused on the syntax for loops it's been a long time since I worked with brain***
< 1346027525 478953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1346027529 711498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainass
< 1346027534 907190 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can say "fuck" here
< 1346027543 832837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you can't
< 1346027544 830032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, you can?
< 1346027546 979071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1346027553 425830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fuck it then
< 1346027554 703377 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop saying fuck!!!!!!!
< 1346027564 755900 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im so offended
< 1346027567 924950 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im crying
< 1346027571 911259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look what you have done oerjan
< 1346027573 710769 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I acually thought the language was called brainf*ck and the * was part of the language name :)
< 1346027608 723785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then, no one say fuck
< 1346027638 754158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braber01, [whatever] means "if the current cell is not 0, execute whatever, then execute [whatever]".
< 1346027649 924556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess brainf*ck is better than brainfork, as i think some have called it (although that's a derivative too i think)
< 1346027668 593899 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if Branefuck is a thing.

< 1346027678 478651 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not!
< 1346027681 893037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is fuckyourbrane
< 1346027684 331381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog branefuck
< 1346027685 656902 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF ONLY I KNEW MORE STRING THEORY
< 1346027691 890662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it fukyorbrane
< 1346027692 858881 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1346027710 304348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: seems so
< 1346027711 73735 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i was as cultured on brainfuck derivatives as elliott and oerjan
< 1346027748 606856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here's the current FYB scoreboard:"
< 1346027759 23189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one might wonder if that's up to date
< 1346027767 683439 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure do
< 1346027774 667373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be like you have a space of branes and you have instructions to alter their harmonics.
< 1346027797 218415 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1346027801 967310 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So go get the Ascii Char(68) that would be ++++++++>[+>++++++++<-]++++ ? 
< 1346027806 136705 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom hoover invents brainfuck derivative, world in shock
< 1346027808 143279 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map pred "gvdl"
< 1346027809 211628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "fuck"
< 1346027813 499958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braber01, no.
< 1346027823 597696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braber01: ASCII is irrelevant here
< 1346027827 230174 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a diritive called fuckfuck
< 1346027834 502748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just puts the number 68 on the tape (assuming the program is correct, I haven't looked at it)
< 1346027849 411490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++[->++++++++<]>++++.
< 1346027849 890899 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :D
< 1346027853 798159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that after executing the loop body the cell under the pointer remains unchanged.
< 1346027856 338699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord 'D'
< 1346027857 360947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  68
< 1346027859 90558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's code is correct.
< 1346027860 219162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it does put 68 on the tape
< 1346027870 132173 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations
< 1346027880 660250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY
< 1346027895 11676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen YAY
< 1346027900 238382 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​49 +++++++++++[>++++++>++++++++>+><<<<-]>>+.<-.>.>-. [121]
< 1346027913 190558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++[>++++++>++++++++>+><<<<-]>>+.<-.>.
< 1346027913 675941 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY
< 1346027929 816999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++[>++++++>++++++++><<<-]>>+.<-.>.
< 1346027930 213503 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY
< 1346027968 425413 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346027978 118148 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
< 1346028002 990054 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen YAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
< 1346028010 203967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++[>++++++>++++++++><<<-]>>+.<-......>........................
< 1346028010 798395 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
< 1346028016 331414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow yay
< 1346028016 893571 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02y03a04y
< 1346028029 326843 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen YAY
< 1346028045 147693 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A905.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346028061 885739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall recommend corect spalling
< 1346028069 310129 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1346028071 706100 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen YAY
< 1346028074 756721 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​59 +++++++++++++[>>+++++++>+++++><<<<-]>++.>--.>.<.<.++++++++. [240]
< 1346028075 485008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should op me btw
< 1346028077 218181 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :creat
< 1346028084 734704 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++[>>+++++++>+++++><<<<-]>++.>--.>.<.<.++++++++.
< 1346028085 168916 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY.
< 1346028088 84222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also you should give Gregor voice
< 1346028110 453584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those duties
< 1346028123 785021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just op me
< 1346028126 375618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's your only duty
< 1346028131 844798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet even kmc supports
< 1346028141 796095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent, they're easier to ignore one by one
< 1346028147 154969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :support elliott for op on condition he voices Gregor 
< 1346028169 886981 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :support elliott for op on condition he doesn't use his powers to ban himself
< 1346028177 739090 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen ▁▂▃▄▅▆▇█
< 1346028178 515462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I promise I won't.
< 1346028180 104224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no lament.
< 1346028180 919900 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​284 +++++++++++++++[>+++++++++++++++>++++++++++>+++++++++>+++++++++++++++<<<<-]>+.>.>------.>+.<<.>+.<<.>.>+.<<.>.>+.<<.>.>+.>.<<.>+.>.<<.>+.>.<<.--------------.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------. [639]
< 1346028185 805795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I won't even ban you!
< 1346028187 746046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm incredibly kind.
< 1346028207 66341 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like something a good op would say!
< 1346028207 304555 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++++[>+++++++++++++++>++++++++++>+++++++++>+++++++++++++++<<<<-]>+.>.>------.>+.<<.>+.<<.>.>+.<<.>.>+.<<.>.>+.>.<<.>+.>.<<.>+.>.<<.--------------.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------.
< 1346028207 775949 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :▁▂▃▄▅▆▇█.
< 1346028214 993662 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it put a dot at the end
< 1346028229 243856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the newline
< 1346028236 46584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: EgoBot includes the end of line, which fungot censors
< 1346028237 846898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can op me too
< 1346028238 175632 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mr president, as we saw with some disquiet that the real problem. we have shown our capacity to manage change. our proposal builds extensively on the existing model? the problems this report raises the need to terminate the fnord term of office of the high level of human health protection in all member states have demonstrated unanimously and promptly, through mr guterres, we were under intense pressure. this is obvious
< 1346028239 381783 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the impressive number of projects in collaboration with all the consequences of enlargement, and, commissioner, ladies and gentlemen, today the sbarbati report which helps the elderly has been adopted with specific provision for ict within thematic budget lines would not, at the risk of not being particularly keen on, we would no longer be taken for the future.
< 1346028243 785398 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1346028260 321661 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay both my bf interperters are showing me an L%, I'm using beef & bf I'm not sure I'm using the right numbers :(
< 1346028260 684107 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1346028261 237751 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1346028290 719955 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants
< 1346028301 959230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style nethack
< 1346028302 428623 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal)
< 1346028304 414369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi
< 1346028305 57498 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: gunyoki: the two-headed giant, with a thick mixture of sportsman and collector, gentleman and world traveler, a panther. ( nightmare at 20,000 feet, mounted on shafts about four to five feet high at the foot of a neanderthal. its body around in such a tool is found on both its arms and feet.
< 1346028308 711582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64
< 1346028309 170724 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material)
< 1346028310 88471 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1346028310 125788 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346028310 265982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: boop
< 1346028310 874178 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the commodore 64 programmer's reference guide as a semicolon causes the program.
< 1346028315 918894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great it's time for me to be opped!
< 1346028319 743660 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stick a dot at the end of one of those.
< 1346028320 691520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*cheater@*.dip.t-dialin.net
> 1346028320 716019 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346028320 837514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric cheater__ :Ban evasion
< 1346028331 904141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pressed the wrong button!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1346028338 216216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!*cheater@*.dip.t-dialin.net
> 1346028338 239107 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346028346 909752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*cheater*@*.dip.t-dialin.net
> 1346028346 934002 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346028368 566145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try $a:cheater. (that bans anyone identified with the nickserv account cheater)
< 1346028374 582617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1346028378 309229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ kind of irc wisdom you'd expect from an OP, eh???
< 1346028390 497720 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit is getting real in here
< 1346028399 291894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1346028402 208027 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1346028402 895372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we should ban kmc next
< 1346028404 433695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!*cheater*@*.dip.t-dialin.net
> 1346028404 457026 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346028406 641835 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::x
< 1346028421 3088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :$a:cheater
> 1346028421 25942 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346028423 429837 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346028425 443558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that?
< 1346028437 918571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, IIRC
< 1346028444 180775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban aloril 
< 1346028447 281750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't banned anyone for ages though!!! more reasons to op me
< 1346028450 317287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who even is aloril 
< 1346028452 743150 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346028456 607471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome kinoSi
< 1346028456 879718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have never ever talked
< 1346028459 945306 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinoSi: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1346028498 609267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea if kinoSi is even new
< 1346028500 456592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!*lament@184.71.170.*
> 1346028500 494055 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346028500 604927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am so out of the loop
< 1346028508 443421 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome elliott
< 1346028511 501829 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1346028514 305552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wow, unbanning lament without discussing it with the op who banned lament???
< 1346028518 100141 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome aloril 
< 1346028520 827444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you even consider unbanning lament without asking lament about it
< 1346028522 78229 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :aloril: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1346028525 336522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO: op abuse
< 1346028537 947547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :op me and i promise to ban oerjan for life
< 1346028547 605380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's my campaign speech)
< 1346028558 496751 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :abusive ops need rehabilitiation not banning!!!!!!
< 1346028558 643531 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: who's your running mate
< 1346028560 616427 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :support revoked
< 1346028563 217518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you ban aloril 
< 1346028565 408602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: either me, or monqy
< 1346028566 711146 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and voice gregor
< 1346028568 128912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh apparently me
< 1346028575 333179 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinoSi: #esotericにようこそ！
< 1346028577 200906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oerjan can be rehabilitated away from polite society
< 1346028584 988816 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :support unrevoked
< 1346028594 898854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by banning him from polite society)
< 1346028599 542022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(polite society is #esoteric)
< 1346028603 199183 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :…
< 1346028619 832390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOUP
< 1346028622 809156 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: is #esoteric really polite?????
< 1346028624 689836 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NUTS
< 1346028633 745513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is #esoteric even a society
< 1346028644 795599 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to be away from #esoteric
< 1346028649 617385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: by the way I thought you gave up on this place
< 1346028657 81273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you just keep joining for no reason like me
< 1346028660 241470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do that................
< 1346028665 973007 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't given up enough to bother removing it from autojoin
< 1346028669 744249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm
< 1346028671 627416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the height of apathy
< 1346028680 580405 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hang around for the off chance of some good quotes
< 1346028686 732803 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from certain people
< 1346028689 470805 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinoSi: 国際的のエソテリックプログラミングの場所です。詳しく情報はウィキで読めます：http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page (他のエソテリカはirc.dal.netの#esotericでいい）
< 1346028697 922840 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone else I don't particularly care about!!
< 1346028706 54618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : op me and i promise to ban oerjan for life <-- I CLAIM ENTRAPMENT
< 1346028707 865710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow monqy, you'll hurt the feelings of everyone else!!!!
< 1346028710 185104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor Dovregubben
< 1346028718 869681 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if Dovregubben is a good quotes person
< 1346028723 157035 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(who's Dovregubben)
< 1346028729 793644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea let's find out
< 1346028731 564566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs Dovregubben
< 1346028742 378782 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.9136
< 1346028775 13864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +o :elliott
> 1346028775 145363 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346028778 337116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1346028784 706097 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations
< 1346028788 156864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to sit here doing nothing to show how responsible i am
< 1346028796 460763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet
< 1346028804 751791 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-12-24.txt:10:27:07:  I Dovregubbens hall
< 1346028804 959821 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-03-05.txt:20:53:02:  hiato yet I like Grieg very much. But a lot of his isn't pompous even though it uses a full orchestra. (Of course some exceptions, like "I dovregubbens sal" (iirc, and "In the hall of the mountain king" in English))
< 1346028808 737695 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-07-04.txt:05:35:59: -!- Dovregubben has joined #esoteric.
< 1346028809 406308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :req. voicing of Gregor 
< 1346028811 35562 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the story behind the mystery man
< 1346028815 811378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1346028815 834222 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346028828 739004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will be a calming presence in this channel
< 1346028832 307171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing can go wrong with me at the helm
< 1346028834 760694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO SAID THAT
< 1346028874 208679 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :military coup seizes #esoteric, CNN brings you the latest tweets as they develop
< 1346028902 948861 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-07-04.txt:05:47:34:  Dovregubben: make yourself comfortable.. i think you're in the right place
< 1346028903 993298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/mode +q kmc
< 1346028906 632252 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the itidus blessing
< 1346028907 391341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :military coup siezes #esoteric, fails to deliver on election promises
< 1346028922 786105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what promises
< 1346028930 593741 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :voicing Gregor 
< 1346028942 567574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never promised to do that
< 1346028954 528236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you did
< 1346028956 819124 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1346028958 37419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1346028967 22369 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this what they call a hot button issue
< 1346028971 830555 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just did it when +m was on
< 1346028990 917684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and due to your general hostility towards voicing issues it went unrecorded
< 1346028992 938764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, instead of kicking people I don't like, I could just selectively +v people I do like and then set +m
< 1346029000 689597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it in my list of things to do when I go mad with power
< 1346029004 301492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Gregor a person you do like
< 1346029009 690544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can I possibly comment
< 1346029012 901333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't gone mad yet
< 1346029017 525578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I never will go mad!
< 1346029024 46414 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you do?
< 1346029028 485017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk
< 1346029032 76216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can I say what I'll do when I'm mad
< 1346029053 504711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go mad for a bit and see what you do
< 1346029057 148225 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what they say: power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I vote we get elliott network ops.
< 1346029069 381468 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vote we give elliott the launch codes
< 1346029095 136770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I get more responsible the more power I'm given, it's awful
< 1346029147 263514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i challenge you to a game of hangman
< 1346029154 822195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: (how do i type hangman without accidentally typing hangedman instead)
< 1346029194 901395 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thx
< 1346029219 186162 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: get hangman in here and tab-complete
< 1346029220 238017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: excuse me.
< 1346029231 643497 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to try very hard not to type hangedman!!!!! it's a curse
< 1346029236 763297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :hangman
< 1346029242 329820 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :___ _____ _____ ___ ______ ____ ___ ____ ___: 0/6
< 1346029246 992614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1346029250 617761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is playing
< 1346029254 466820 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1346029258 608718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1346029260 522457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not playing
< 1346029262 836411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will play
< 1346029268 289540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1346029269 979710 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be collaborative
< 1346029275 941764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, everyone but me is terrible
< 1346029280 82673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except possibly kmc
< 1346029286 526450 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :opening with e is so mainstream
< 1346029291 441048 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :__E _____ __O__ _O_ ____E_ O_E_ __E ____ _O_: 0/6
< 1346029319 635840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q
< 1346029325 593591 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, i was going to do q!!!!
< 1346029326 363862 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :__E Q____ __O__ _O_ ____E_ O_E_ __E ____ _O_: 0/6
< 1346029333 265170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x
< 1346029339 924191 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :__E Q____ __O__ _OX ____E_ O_E_ __E ____ _O_: 0/6
< 1346029343 885327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0/6?
< 1346029345 709641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1346029348 342370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ther'es actually an x
< 1346029349 922669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1346029351 356570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :z
< 1346029351 981053 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six failures are allowed.
< 1346029354 561198 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i guess the whole thing
< 1346029357 702439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no
< 1346029359 149033 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1346029361 605407 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :__E Q____ __O__ _OX ____E_ O_E_ __E __Z_ _O_: 0/6
< 1346029363 473862 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll give a hint
< 1346029365 341089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1346029366 305071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate hints
< 1346029368 371366 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is a bad person!!!!!!
< 1346029369 712963 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the hint
< 1346029371 268643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :v
< 1346029376 491857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog
< 1346029378 786125 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :__E Q____ __O__ _OX ____E_ OVE_ __E __Z_ _O_: 0/6
< 1346029378 971238 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're falling into his trap!!!!
< 1346029381 953846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric oerjan :oerjan
< 1346029391 822676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346029399 350744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we can all agree that action was justified
< 1346029400 224089 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan "a martyr"
< 1346029406 468492 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DO NOT RECOGNIZE TRYING TO SOLVE THE PUZZLE
< 1346029408 336639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1346029410 477152 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MUST MAKE LETTER GUESSES
< 1346029414 69218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1346029414 742119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y
< 1346029420 534464 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :__E Q____ __O__ _OX ____E_ OVE_ __E __ZY _O_: 0/6
< 1346029420 680460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ø
< 1346029426 662690 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :__E Q____ __O__ _OX ____E_ OVE_ __E __ZY _O_: 1/6 Ø
< 1346029430 254652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1346029437 456435 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :__E Q____ __O__ _OX ____E_ OVE_ __E __ZY _O_: 2/6 Ø2
< 1346029441 191497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1346029442 20839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got this
< 1346029442 782839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1346029445 30633 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 isn't a letter elliott !!!!!
< 1346029452 980762 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :T_E Q____ __O__ _OX ____E_ OVE_ T_E __ZY _O_: 2/6 Ø2
< 1346029454 169569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it is in my heart
< 1346029456 542641 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :h
< 1346029456 816975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h
< 1346029458 521458 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :h
< 1346029460 61573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h
< 1346029462 754902 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :h
< 1346029464 781109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h
< 1346029465 989782 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE Q____ __O__ _OX ____E_ OVE_ THE __ZY _O_: 2/6 Ø2
< 1346029468 397370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :u
< 1346029473 566154 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ruined the symmetry goddamn it!!!
< 1346029478 37884 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE QU___ __O__ _OX _U__E_ OVE_ THE __ZY _O_: 2/6 Ø2
< 1346029479 276996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1346029494 593278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurry up
< 1346029494 739219 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE QU___ __O__ _OX _U__E_ OVE_ THE _AZY _O_: 2/6 Ø2
< 1346029495 417231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :þ
< 1346029507 389310 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÞE QU___ __O__ _OX _U__E_ OVE_ ÞE _AZY _O_: 2/6 Ø2
< 1346029508 917776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p.s. do you lose at 6/6 or 7/6
< 1346029513 485018 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :6/6
< 1346029514 738250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ý
< 1346029524 686104 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÞE QU___ __O__ _OX _U__E_ OVE_ ÞE _AZY _O_: 3/6 Ø2Ý
< 1346029526 263933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p.s. that was funny i laughed
< 1346029531 123568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ð
< 1346029537 939084 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÞE QU___ __O__ _OX _U__E_ OVE_ ÞE _AZY _O_: 4/6 Ø2ÝĐ
< 1346029543 414142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ö
< 1346029549 607862 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÞE QU___ __O__ _OX _U__E_ OVE_ ÞE _AZY _O_: 5/6 Ø2ÝĐÖ
< 1346029551 364658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh!!! better think quick
< 1346029552 54584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1346029558 839416 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÞE QUI__ __O__ _OX _U__E_ OVE_ ÞE _AZY _O_: 5/6 Ø2ÝĐÖ
< 1346029561 664941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c
< 1346029569 632406 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÞE QUIC_ __O__ _OX _U__E_ OVE_ ÞE _AZY _O_: 5/6 Ø2ÝĐÖ
< 1346029570 499105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1346029577 584683 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÞE QUIC_ __O__ _OX _U__E_ OVE_ ÞE _AZY _OG: 5/6 Ø2ÝĐÖ
< 1346029578 111972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :r
< 1346029587 681259 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÞE QUIC_ _RO__ _OX _U__E_ OVER ÞE _AZY _OG: 5/6 Ø2ÝĐÖ
< 1346029588 358797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1346029593 626250 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÞE QUICK _RO__ _OX _U__E_ OVER ÞE _AZY _OG: 5/6 Ø2ÝĐÖ
< 1346029594 402148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b
< 1346029600 648879 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÞE QUICK BRO__ _OX _U__E_ OVER ÞE _AZY _OG: 5/6 Ø2ÝĐÖ
< 1346029601 217567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f
< 1346029606 421812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :æ
< 1346029607 158566 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÞE QUICK BRO__ FUCK _U__E_ OVER ÞE _AZY _OG: 5/6 Ø2ÝĐÖ
< 1346029610 72962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no
< 1346029611 886840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only i am playing now
< 1346029612 48378 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÞE QUICK BRO__ FUCK _U__E_ OVER ÞE _AZY _OG: 6/6 Ø2ÝĐÖÆ
< 1346029613 283006 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU LOSE
< 1346029614 654597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1346029618 474070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric oerjan :ruining my fucking joke
< 1346029622 881063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346029630 690531 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan "a double martyr"
< 1346029631 985407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone is a little trigger happy
< 1346029633 630409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to wait until only one letter was left
< 1346029635 431651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then do æ
< 1346029636 812199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no!!
< 1346029657 635978 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately there are no diaereses in that sentence.
< 1346029660 827062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you go next
< 1346029675 26551 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :_: 0/1
< 1346029675 492820 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my locale is broken so i cant make funny unicode jokes
< 1346029680 699247 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all show up as question marks!!!
< 1346029685 8734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no monqy was going to be the one with the word
< 1346029687 588991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok monqy can do this next one
< 1346029688 407614 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1346029689 461701 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b
< 1346029689 811860 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c
< 1346029689 995100 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1346029690 482533 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1346029691 164169 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f
< 1346029691 611496 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1346029695 815908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1346029696 553067 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You lose lose lose.
< 1346029697 368471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only monqy is playing
< 1346029697 633243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ñ
< 1346029700 70973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1346029701 870494 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :☭
< 1346029708 349691 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my joke was the word was going to be a smiley face
< 1346029708 721804 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc was right.
< 1346029710 414920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: come up with a word i'm ready
< 1346029711 945482 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i cant type smiley faces
< 1346029716 842713 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :高
< 1346029728 205092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it should be a proper word!
< 1346029729 768295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm counting on you
< 1346029736 405728 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :smiley faces are a word!!!
< 1346029748 581739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no unicode !!!!! you funny broken unicode person
< 1346029752 2324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's call you oerjan 2
< 1346029765 897240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION return

< 1346029769 664337 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news i'm bad at thinking of words
< 1346029771 337147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Who died and made you op? :-(
< 1346029773 403954 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf can you think of a word for me
< 1346029782 448956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oerjan
< 1346029784 587558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :R.I.P.
< 1346029785 460993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "telemarketer"
< 1346029788 525450 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1346029792 743859 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see how many letters is that
< 1346029797 401606 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :______ 0/6
< 1346029799 623182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1346029800 575693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangman
< 1346029803 48649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get back in line
< 1346029812 83465 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (const '_') "telemarketer"
< 1346029813 248163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "____________"
< 1346029816 268047 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1346029818 610637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a smiley
< 1346029820 79850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"__"
< 1346029820 225982 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_____ 9/-4
< 1346029825 260381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What happened in here. :-(
< 1346029826 338955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlep
< 1346029827 983663 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are we doing
< 1346029831 737478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: nothing
< 1346029832 107793 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1346029833 184546 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :______ 0/6
< 1346029833 592873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1346029833 987686 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :____________: 0/6
< 1346029835 51164 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit
< 1346029836 8590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: 2
< 1346029841 209040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we still talking about misuse of cryptographic primitives?
< 1346029841 439993 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :____________: 1/6 2
< 1346029844 433807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: uhhh
< 1346029844 878305 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, .
< 1346029846 144180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hexagon
< 1346029853 952271 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :____________: 3/6 2.hexagon
< 1346029855 937482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: a bird
< 1346029858 302381 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, levity
< 1346029863 253009 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :____________: 5/6 2.hexagona birdlevity
< 1346029864 234435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: lemarke
< 1346029872 985088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can you go hangmanning somewhere else?
< 1346029876 330628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no
< 1346029879 845765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a bad channel for that.
< 1346029883 231021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: kick elliott
< 1346029883 536384 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you_lose_sorry 6/6 2.hexagona birdlevitylemarke
< 1346029886 433817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: lemarke is one of the letters in "telemarketer"!!!!!
< 1346029896 105279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please correct
< 1346029897 109329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hey i don't have ops
< 1346029898 489045 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemarke isn't a ltter!!!!!!
< 1346029900 873316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1346029901 369038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1346029910 491067 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a lemarke key
< 1346029912 630256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemarke is obviously a derivative of lexande
< 1346029912 776474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do
< 1346029916 473589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep pressing it
< 1346029919 819961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlemarke monqy
< 1346029920 475710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see?
< 1346029931 710348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's between "i" and "o"
< 1346029938 955460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes you do. :-(
< 1346029946 947089 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also broken locale ruins me again: i wanted to put skulls and crossbones for every letter
< 1346029947 134183 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK my turn
< 1346029951 954520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :je think que you are missing lemarke
< 1346029952 426144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quick brown fox jumps over the slithy tove.
< 1346029956 359503 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_____ 0/6
< 1346029959 628932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangman: four
< 1346029968 361905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangman: the pope
< 1346029968 982781 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_____ 1/6 4
< 1346029977 205095 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_____ 2/6 4the pope
< 1346029978 8862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangman: q
< 1346029985 754689 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_____ 3/6 4the popeq
< 1346029989 593995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangman: o
< 1346029994 787306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangman: omega
< 1346029998 203659 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_____ 4/6 4the popeqo
< 1346029999 158450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangman: z
< 1346030002 941670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, #haskell turned bad too.
< 1346030004 935715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangman: y
< 1346030005 710513 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_____ 6/6 4the popeqoomegaz
< 1346030007 53544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangman: help
< 1346030022 377504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the word
< 1346030024 385643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_____
< 1346030026 405961 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11630
< 1346030032 121409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1346030034 842755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i ruined the joke
< 1346030037 944669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :best word
< 1346030043 711681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you should have done that.....
< 1346030046 363169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make the word be a bunch of _s
< 1346030051 564014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would have been funny!!!
< 1346030056 918842 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.........................
< 1346030061 180320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late now!
< 1346030064 247558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we go back in time and fix that
< 1346030064 450362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_______ 0/6
< 1346030065 213859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1346030067 26434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: _
< 1346030070 780413 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can still do it!!
< 1346030075 249101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_______ 1/6 _
< 1346030077 386584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1346030078 140253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I'm going to southern CA!
< 1346030079 644433 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (const '_') "________________________________________"
< 1346030080 663214 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "________________________________________"
< 1346030082 314868 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im ready
< 1346030083 164839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Maybe.
< 1346030086 356891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Should I go visit you?
< 1346030092 537303 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :________________________________________: 0/6
< 1346030095 306858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Do you even exist?
< 1346030097 17771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: q
< 1346030098 990065 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont exist
< 1346030102 42774 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :________________________________________: 1/6 q
< 1346030104 962248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help
< 1346030109 250270 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :________________________________________: 2/6 qhelp
< 1346030110 734491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no!!!
< 1346030111 831977 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (map (const '_'))
< 1346030115 410683 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :________________________________________: 3/6 qhelpno!!!
< 1346030115 556574 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1346030116 662918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: stop
< 1346030126 570768 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :________________________________________: 4/6 qhelpno!!!> fix (map (const '_'))
< 1346030128 582247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: stop this help me out
< 1346030139 117529 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with what do you need help
< 1346030145 364061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you broke the rules
< 1346030148 611802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please continue updating the board
< 1346030153 630057 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :________________________________________: 6/6 qhelpno!!!> fix (map (const '_'))monqy: stopmonqy: stop this help me out
< 1346030155 530938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric monqy :monqy
< 1346030161 204270 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346030163 161469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you skipped 5/6
< 1346030164 741529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can you kick elliott?
< 1346030172 116132 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a sore loser, elliott!!
< 1346030178 355551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the word monqy
< 1346030181 734673 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was
< 1346030183 210670 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh
< 1346030184 546802 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, can you voice Gregor 
< 1346030187 537256 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :________________________________________
< 1346030189 566112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1346030191 678506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess _
< 1346030196 73567 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already lost!!!!
< 1346030199 180323 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no turning back
< 1346030206 250336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im turning!!!!
< 1346030207 896749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYONE STAND STILL!!
< 1346030212 962685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT POST TO READ
< 1346030215 900869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BY EZYANG
< 1346030224 212875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i already told monqy to read that post
< 1346030225 783555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also another post
< 1346030225 960911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait until I'm done reading it.
< 1346030228 574799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i haven't told you to read yet
< 1346030231 156439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i will if you read that one
< 1346030246 859643 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to read them but now i think i'll do something else first
< 1346030253 703902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy
< 1346030254 829187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you betrayed me
< 1346030260 312220 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf needs a turn too!
< 1346030260 583993 :hangman!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346030261 635972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to do spells4 instead
< 1346030266 255722 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already did spells4
< 1346030268 95172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1346030273 725458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it wasn't done yet
< 1346030276 872578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Can you kick elliott. :-(
< 1346030279 511771 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember implementing C standard library scrabble. Wonder if that's still around somewhere…
< 1346030282 148294 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not an op :'[
< 1346030287 412293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +o :monqy
> 1346030287 436712 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030289 333056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i trust you monqy
< 1346030295 900080 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heeeeeeeeeeeeelp
< 1346030297 199989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Can you op me. :-(
< 1346030301 611620 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think so
< 1346030304 123457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the responsible thing monqy
< 1346030306 408243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't kick anyone.
< 1346030306 554510 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net MODE #esoteric +v :shachaf
> 1346030306 576607 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030307 388890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :shachaf
> 1346030307 412623 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030310 309128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops
< 1346030310 556638 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i do it right
< 1346030312 438483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trigger happy!!!
< 1346030319 732113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: No. :-(
< 1346030322 344841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin - elliott
< 1346030328 574929 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin + shachaf
< 1346030328 747240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges
< 1346030332 295123 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no!!
< 1346030333 811019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin + monqy
< 1346030336 941534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oopse!
< 1346030337 288545 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1346030350 807048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can i have my lambdabot admin back please
< 1346030355 156934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cale gave it to me!!
< 1346030356 101262 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin + elliott
< 1346030356 247549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges
< 1346030360 837020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf...........
< 1346030361 191309 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no!!!!!
< 1346030371 378742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think shachaf deserves voice monqy
< 1346030372 740557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think
< 1346030378 478363 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net MODE #esoteric -v :shachaf
> 1346030378 503513 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030381 812593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you're already a lambdabot admin. :-(
< 1346030382 709743 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you had yuore chance"
< 1346030386 907626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin + me
< 1346030388 997290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin - me
< 1346030392 616557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"looks like i am"
< 1346030393 181050 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net MODE #esoteric +v :monqy
> 1346030393 205270 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030397 123007 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net MODE #esoteric +v :elliott
> 1346030397 165186 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030399 497954 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net MODE #esoteric +v :Gregor
> 1346030399 517041 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030406 468110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "i think you mean yuor'e chance"
< 1346030407 252237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -v :Gregor
> 1346030407 275426 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030411 307921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "learn to spell"
< 1346030417 349062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :campaign promise fulfilled
< 1346030433 673396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: If I admin you will you op me. :-(
< 1346030437 627227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@uptime
< 1346030437 818962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uptime: 23d 10h 19m 1s, longest uptime: 1m 10d 23h 44m 29s
< 1346030438 683310 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only hangman was here!!!
< 1346030462 142440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was tired of hanging out
< 1346030493 460825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You should deop elliott.
< 1346030499 299328 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1346030499 322918 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030503 325976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :elliott
> 1346030503 349351 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030505 431921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1346030508 127367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: please fix
< 1346030514 169126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1346030514 191625 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030515 376253 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : is voice not good enough for you!!!
< 1346030520 289124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I trust monqy!
< 1346030522 63586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: remember the calming presence
< 1346030523 223802 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll see what i can do
< 1346030525 167464 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net MODE #esoteric +v :elliott
> 1346030525 188169 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030525 669739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy won't bring chaos to #esoteric
< 1346030526 511265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel calm going away
< 1346030528 873074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from life
< 1346030536 134653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i trust you monqy
< 1346030537 993010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember how i opped you
< 1346030539 496078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that way back
< 1346030542 797420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was because i believed in you
< 1346030545 267913 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net MODE #esoteric -o :elliott
> 1346030545 292128 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030549 193627 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the right button
< 1346030551 136920 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant find it
< 1346030564 153655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: maybe you just don't know how to be friends....with anyone............
< 1346030566 700944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope that's not true monqy!
< 1346030570 292915 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1346030581 607174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you should prove you can be believed in, monqy!!!
< 1346030598 198986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i beielive in yoU!!
< 1346030603 613451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i belivev in u mad!
< 1346030608 906057 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net MODE #esoteric +o-o elliott :monqy
> 1346030608 916942 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030611 869899 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i do it right
< 1346030618 494871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes
< 1346030624 469573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no.
< 1346030630 139967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1346030630 351794 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no!
< 1346030631 96728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Deop elliott!
< 1346030632 644545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +o :monqy
> 1346030632 667202 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030635 695434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see
< 1346030637 855211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is perfect now
< 1346030643 249254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Op me!
< 1346030659 421260 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1346030659 443936 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030662 604553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :elliott
> 1346030662 627488 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030662 750641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1346030662 774466 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030665 7666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1346030672 517650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i still believe in you
< 1346030681 520148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1346030682 263509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can overcome this tyranny
< 1346030683 491900 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net MODE #esoteric +oo-o elliott shachaf :monqy
> 1346030683 515911 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030686 701608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :shachaf
> 1346030686 726313 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030689 535813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +o :monqy
> 1346030689 546286 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030693 598417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is perfect once again
< 1346030707 471947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, let us relax
< 1346030723 348964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone want to talk about brainfuck derivatives
< 1346030725 790378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Try again. :-(
< 1346030742 530430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you tried your best & did the right thing
< 1346030747 636246 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but elliott is already opped!!!!
< 1346030765 809210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: op me :'(
< 1346030783 901907 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, I only wish to discuss Befunge extensions.
< 1346030788 760584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: go for it!
< 1346030790 790472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher it
< 1346030798 160511 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to be happy until Befunge is impossible to implement.
< 1346030810 825857 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, that's easy.
< 1346030818 464801 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halting oracle fingerprint.
< 1346030835 333050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: so do you have anything left to do with
< 1346030836 145662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mspell
< 1346030838 120395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it `all done'
< 1346030840 959880 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots to do
< 1346030847 965480 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, the mspell part
< 1346030851 503463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1346030853 924417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1346030855 60666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck
< 1346030871 793017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: (so what have you done so far)
< 1346030873 901383 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -o :elliott
> 1346030873 925221 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030874 860077 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION creates Brainfunge. BWAHAHAHA

< 1346030875 160983 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also have to do things like shower and eat and read these blog!!!
< 1346030875 497877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just the zap stuff?)
< 1346030880 440165 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -o :monqy
> 1346030880 463511 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1346030882 401766 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done uh
< 1346030884 588550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1346030884 996842 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of mspell
< 1346030888 460181 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip
< 1346030890 901498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChanServ++
< 1346030893 204707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan++
< 1346030895 876154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjanserv++
< 1346030917 881447 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungeot = INT_MAX
< 1346030924 107596 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot = INT_MAX // This too
< 1346030924 773984 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: 10 get a character
< 1346030984 736448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is signed?
< 1346030985 79846 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: open 794, 62282, 65472
< 1346030988 532193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot++
< 1346030988 933042 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: call address: ffdb ( hex) 65514 ( decimal). characters used to open a logical operator names. if none of the two extra colors from the information by means of the string.
< 1346031248 885701 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot = ~fungot + 1
< 1346031249 533441 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: the vic-ii chip does much of the comparison. for more information, visit your commodore 64, all you need to change these contents using peripheral inputs, together with the commodore 64 has 4k of ram
< 1346031264 145299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: We're already in undefined behaviorland.
< 1346031278 791648 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Kay, *fine*.
< 1346031289 199352 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fungot = 0;
< 1346031289 790160 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: if you don't want to read or set the raster register is put a " semi-tutorial" approach to many sections of the port on the cnt line, the
< 1346031761 61704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1346031761 339227 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64* ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1346031768 641471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube
< 1346031768 883482 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments)
< 1346031770 113118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1346031770 679540 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no you idiots find this crap on another site. its best just to ignore? ::p box, and was rolling! hilarious!
< 1346031780 519838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hilarious!
< 1346031870 340259 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1346031870 896221 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i agree with xharlequin, her music and comedy. it failed. there were no passengers
< 1346031894 628624 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot for president
< 1346031895 360526 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: plancrashinfo says:). it's great for tree removal and clearing land for housing! mmmm nothin' like blackend air bus, im beginning to believe only 3 people died
< 1346031936 364225 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: butts
< 1346031936 893718 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: god that's fucking hilarious. glad to see it
< 1346031952 728563 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, someone appreciates my sense of humor
< 1346032031 812570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a sense of humor?
< 1346032150 264619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you send off your email?
< 1346032230 789311 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to stripe? yes
< 1346032287 534071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bug gdb about it next time I see him!
< 1346032331 587899 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see gdb often?
< 1346032344 130895 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you start working at stripe secretly?
< 1346032353 26691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I went to a couple of their hackathons.
< 1346032356 369848 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1346032358 603367 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :say hi for me
< 1346032362 346165 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :say hi to nelson also if you see him
< 1346032376 392863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they'll have a CTF event like last time.
< 1346032399 301509 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1346032401 468036 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH
< 1346032403 292003 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yEAH
< 1346032411 21971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told Nelson about bahaskell but it turns out he doesn't really do Haskell anymore.
< 1346032414 836187 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1346032509 538258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should go work at Stripe!
< 1346032517 752727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it's "the cool place to be".
< 1346032531 436749 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :napumpkin
< 1346032536 528674 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's far away
< 1346032543 857976 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's already, like, a big company
< 1346032545 354892 :napumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1346032547 802116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty close to SF.
< 1346032549 492101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it?
< 1346032575 355970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1346032673 601362 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in SF
< 1346032677 38104 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is far away from here
< 1346032682 123989 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, they have more than 30 people already
< 1346032912 36704 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really do Haskell anymore
< 1346032922 567566 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still use the language when appropriate
< 1346032929 157124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. "never"
< 1346032936 113332 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't particularly spend my free time talking about haskell anymore
< 1346032942 224811 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're soundnfury now?
< 1346032955 573032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury 'n' cheater combined
< 1346032957 764977 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1346032960 213150 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dream team
< 1346033028 122307 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i no longer feel like i have a vested interest in convincing other people to use haskell
< 1346033049 308170 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll probably go to the next boston haskell though
< 1346033060 25022 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm free
< 1346033105 633826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to arrange for the next boston haskell to be in SF.
< 1346033118 261052 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, good luck with that
< 1346033128 286048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it seems likely.
< 1346033140 308026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except by BostonHaskell I mean "bahaskell, but edwardk doing a talk".
< 1346033161 632691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since he'll be in the area around then anyway.
< 1346033210 157004 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah cool
< 1346033221 16413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ezyang will be here too.
< 1346033223 430119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe luite.
< 1346033280 44078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Internet connection here is very slow.
< 1346033294 756715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can use Mosh but other things are unpleasant to use.
< 1346033316 668366 :Jaurrison!7cba78c7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.186.120.199 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346033336 282755 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you?
< 1346033395 273559 :Jaurrison!7cba78c7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.186.120.199 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1346033476 966402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Public-Internet-connection place.
< 1346033485 150284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Today I had a super burrito.
< 1346033494 600527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was made of two tortillas rather than just one.
< 1346033547 780253 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :cyclops
< 1346033592 438533 :cyclops!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1346033617 763157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a hilight on funpuns now.
< 1346033619 941695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to lexande.
< 1346033635 868541 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346033666 48396 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thexande
< 1346034882 394754 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1346034882 578803 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1346034882 578946 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1346035665 259882 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346035670 872114 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346035871 427516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it called in backgammon if you win while the other player still has pieces in jail?
< 1346035877 989377 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this dr who thing is british or did i take the wrong one?
< 1346035884 992090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "winning"?
< 1346035909 617872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it is winning, but I wanted to know if it is anything special.
< 1346035935 462898 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's us english dubs for it.
< 1346036118 391337 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about subs
< 1346036156 651723 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think unamb might not be that great an idea on Clojure, at least partially because using it to build a variadic parallel or seems annoying and difficult
< 1346036171 382911 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i would read them as uk subs and they would be annoying.
< 1346036254 507971 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how white people (e.g. me) watch The Wire with subs
< 1346036280 541412 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-62.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346036288 303391 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that's like 4 layers of incomprehensible
< 1346036318 676270 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so?
< 1346036321 77004 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :african american vernacular english + bawlmer accent + gangsta slang + non-professional actors
< 1346036344 251991 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not so much hard to understand, it's just such a silly language.
< 1346036366 962289 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus the show makes absolutely no attempt to hold your hand through understanding what's going on
< 1346036380 638145 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1346036407 818450 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll watch that just for the incomprehensibility
< 1346036409 30978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is that a good show?
< 1346036418 662941 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes The Wire is a good show
< 1346036428 625929 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling i am being trolled, because of how often i talk about how good it is
< 1346036433 57391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't own a television, only a large form factor screen with T tuner.
< 1346036433 893198 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as how often everyone else talks about how good it is
< 1346036441 482989 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that help you make better tea?
< 1346036441 782519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No trolling intended.
< 1346036445 306130 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it ISO 3103 compliant?
< 1346036464 252067 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346036625 681785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should keep a list of which shows are good shows.
< 1346036630 275496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case I ever want to watch some.
< 1346036637 325624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wire and Breaking Bad, what else?
< 1346036645 761144 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1346036649 267261 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of shows do you like
< 1346036656 239509 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the wire about actual wires because i like those
< 1346036660 804492 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some wires
< 1346036668 206391 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1346036673 684588 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly about wires
< 1346036689 2506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure... I don't own a television, see.
< 1346036694 415567 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they play an important role
< 1346036737 259266 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay what wp says sounds interesting enough
< 1346036771 521347 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wire is unlike any other TV show
< 1346036772 887267 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i see how wires could have anything to do with it.
< 1346036785 57410 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are cops and drug dealers, but they're mostly not good and evil
< 1346036792 342212 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're mostly just people trying to do their jobs well enough to not get fired
< 1346036819 158235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds pretty good.
< 1346036823 141397 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, many shows are like that?
< 1346036840 248936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have no idea if it sounds like it'll make a good story. Hard to tell.
< 1346036863 964019 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's like the most important thing in a show
< 1346036878 661243 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i should definitely watch it
< 1346036881 16286 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't really seen another show like that
< 1346036895 115582 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most TV shows, the cops are altruistic and a few are evil
< 1346036900 513625 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the drug dealers are evil, and a few are altruistic
< 1346036910 188102 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the wire (and in real life) people are mostly neither altruistic or evil
< 1346036911 701903 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i haven't seen it in a crime show
< 1346036924 777969 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have mostly seen it in shows with vampires and shit.
< 1346036927 409079 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1346036950 44660 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1346036986 171915 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's mostly good/bad/psychopath-murderer-on-the-good-side-for-some-reason
< 1346036988 211827 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly the show is about institutions, and the people who either embody the institution's failures, or try to reform the institution (and are usually punished severely for it)
< 1346036999 389102 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but enough talk, watch the show :)
< 1346037023 519477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next thing I watch will probably be _The Impostors_.
< 1346037035 207668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I have a DVD of it.
< 1346037049 221686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear you have to watch it several times before it makes sense.
< 1346037163 649319 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the impostors?
< 1346037187 635272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1346037203 946954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about it.
< 1346037346 659455 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah, future-cancel might not cancel a future.
< 1346037353 357413 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My unamb might leak memory
< 1346037391 924635 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it says "oklo rigger duff radar" in a poster on the wall in dr who
< 1346037406 670769 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you watch it does it say kmc/shachaf/Sgeo?
< 1346037423 505598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346037429 332421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. No oerjan.
< 1346037430 121156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1346037432 367863 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: won't the memory get reclaimed once the future is no longer reachable?
< 1346037469 510181 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, hmm, why would it? It might have side-effects, at least I think the JVM might think so
< 1346037480 46629 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once the computation is finished, then?
< 1346037500 460571 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if a computation doesn't finish. future-cancel might not cancel a future
< 1346037501 924603 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1346037519 38562 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't finish? you mean if it enters an infinite loop?
< 1346037529 78814 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(future-cancel (future (loop [] (recur))))
< 1346037541 694772 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I gather in #clojure that won't actually cancel it
< 1346037553 537287 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346037563 328705 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the JVM has no way to safely stop it
< 1346037565 119481 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, sucks
< 1346037578 543716 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to be able to use unamb in situations where one side terminates and the other loops
< 1346037581 572862 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but you don't know which)
< 1346037584 707958 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is .stop for threasd but that's unsafe
< 1346037601 727824 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's unsafe
< 1346037605 342788 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not all infinite loops that pose a problem, just some, I gather
< 1346037616 390901 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.stopping a Thread.
< 1346037634 611855 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.oracle.com/javase/1.4.2/docs/guide/misc/threadPrimitiveDeprecation.html
< 1346037652 235438 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1346038093 889654 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346038409 185228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is something having to do with send/receive messages on X-BIT are broken?
< 1346038438 65434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to no longer send/receive on Usenet and also can no longer send/receive on FidoNet.
< 1346038860 335351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is FidoNet a protocol that runs over econet?
< 1346038870 957093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1346038942 830713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why do you spend a lot of effort and time on all sorts of systems and protocols that no one uses anymore, like gopher?
< 1346038963 276667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't true that nobody uses them anymore.
< 1346038972 897734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, very few people use them.
< 1346038986 862846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why use Gopher instead of HTTP, for example?
< 1346038987 297705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1346038996 800255 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A book about computers I had as a kid mentioned gopher
< 1346038998 59240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have both gopher and HTTP.
< 1346039021 1071 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it's fun is probably a sufficient reason, but not sure if it's zzo38's reason.
< 1346039058 998599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering what zzo38's reason is.
< 1346039096 932097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is better designed.
< 1346039278 871064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern HTML+CSS+HTTP+Flash+Windows+ActiveX+Linux+Unicode+HTTPS+JavaScript+DynamicHTML+... is too complicated and exposes a few things which shouldn't be and so on.
< 1346039340 883253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you don't need to use HTML+CSS+HTTP+Flash+Windows+ActiveX+Linux+Unicode+HTTPS+JavaScript+DynamicHTML+...
< 1346039347 778029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone has used all of those at once.
< 1346039353 460802 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh that kind of wire.
< 1346039438 774018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think some people do, and even use a bunch of other things togheter with it. (Even Windows and Linux are sometimes used together with dual boot and with some server racks.)
< 1346039451 371271 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's DynamicHTML
< 1346039463 585785 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody uses ActiveX anymore
< 1346039469 434109 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except corporate intranet IE6 backwaters
< 1346039527 3091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :DynamicHTML is Microsoft's name for HTML + JavaScript, I think.
< 1346039543 15578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1346039543 264461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a little more general than that.
< 1346039579 669403 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a book called DHTML for Dummies
< 1346039599 433110 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it might have been Dynamic HTML for Dummies
< 1346039645 670631 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, except it wasn't exclusively Microsoft stuff
< 1346039722 271273 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once had ActiveX for Dummies
< 1346039742 75771 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading it is what finally made programming "click" for me in my mind, but I broke the CD, so never played around with it
< 1346039756 579588 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since those long ID things are scary, and the CD had some tool to deal with those
< 1346039776 177853 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that CD didn't break, I wonder if I'd be a Microsoft fanboy programming ActiveX stuff today...
< 1346039890 818441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, they also use PDF, and all sorts of slow stuff, and all kind of videos even if they are not necessary, various pictures formats (SVG, JPEG, GIF, PNG, etc), ...
< 1346039917 582313 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP only enables it, it doesn't enforce it
< 1346039994 49803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is true, but sometimes you need those various headers anyways even though they are not used.
< 1346040007 759122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can make it slow.
< 1346040536 316217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I can't tell which JRE .jars open in by default
< 1346040767 332877 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346040938 784041 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, right side of the split.
< 1346040993 133620 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well TCP has been superceded already by application layer protocols doing a more efficient congestion and flow control these days so its kind of a moot point"
< 1346041000 155537 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel dumber for having read that
< 1346041011 52077 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ate my intelligence.
< 1346041051 220307 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/yuoxx/stanford_biologist_and_computer_scientist/c5z244w
< 1346041104 321611 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, that person thinks we use HTTP pipelining to make TCP act less like TCP?
< 1346041106 619853 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange.
< 1346041137 112112 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was used to make HTTP act more like what TCP expects.
< 1346041187 648630 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, a somewhat long-lived connection.
< 1346041199 707994 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A *single* somewhat long-lived connection.
< 1346041233 645857 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks up HTTP pipelining

< 1346041247 13502 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where you run multiple HTTP requests over the same connection.
< 1346041284 796215 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCP is poorly suited to the tons-of-small-connections model HTTP in modern usage implies.
< 1346041318 323499 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says sending several requests before receiving a response. But if you're loading a page for the first time how can you know before the response what you'll need to request beyond that first page?
< 1346041342 355113 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typically what you do is load the HTML first and then request its dependencies once you've parsed it.
< 1346041356 785030 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet he also thinks uTP is an example of "doing better than TCP".
< 1346041411 552343 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... When really it's more "TCP flow control made less aggressive, because buffer bloat means that otherwise BitTorrent cripples *everything*"
< 1346041443 706753 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mosh fits that quote, though :D
< 1346041458 979883 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Mosh is an example of *actually doing it better*.
< 1346041477 605545 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing it better because you have application-level knowledge
< 1346041483 648855 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In certain environments it's quite possible to kick TCP's ass.
< 1346041491 249647 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think KeithW would claim Mosh flow control beats TCP for the general problem TCP solves
< 1346041494 278427 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's his other project :)
< 1346041511 781661 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When your application-level knowledge gives you alternative schemes, then hey.
< 1346041532 867894 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect TCP's pretty hard to beat for the general case. And SCTP is the one thing that beats it. :P
< 1346041555 48797 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is actually considering installing Eclipse and Counterclockwise

< 1346041555 750109 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1346041598 205273 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that project involves an explicit model of network elements, an explicit utility function, and Bayesian inference of network conditions
< 1346041645 496998 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sweet Jesus he's applying AI to the problem.
< 1346041678 845789 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION approves

< 1346041688 182475 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, or what passes for AI these days
< 1346041708 611687 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. Yeah. 
< 1346041722 596548 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems desirable (and yet extremely rare) for both ends of the connection to have an idea of what they're trying to accomplish
< 1346041754 826382 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Google can make a billion hojillion dollars on "gather loads of data, then perform naive bayesian inference"
< 1346041760 822414 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it should at least be worth a few papers :)
< 1346041761 481553 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll be a changing target until we have a decent grasp on what it actually means for humans to be "intelligent" at a sufficiently low level we can algorithm it.
< 1346042088 782907 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the CS & AI Lab, after all
< 1346042128 422317 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i hear google translate uses finite transducers
< 1346042187 594498 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a formal language theorist told me this. he was not happy about i.
< 1346042190 156891 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it
< 1346042247 277622 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :google made the best arabic translator, without having anyone on the project who speaks arabic
< 1346042252 48650 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not because google "did it wrong"; according to him, google tried the "correct" grammars too, but it didn't work)
< 1346042342 728063 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps they just use one of the known transducer learning algorithms, but on more samples than a human needs to learn the language.
< 1346043137 137140 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Looking at Mosh's terminal emulator stuff makes me realize that it'd probably be nice to write a not-terrible terminal emulator.
< 1346043154 633545 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, one that does Unicode (to the extent it's possible).
< 1346043323 618148 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346043328 904368 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:52 < pikhq> Hmm. Looking at Mosh's terminal emulator stuff makes me realize that it'd probably be nice to write a not-terrible terminal emulator.
< 1346043331 941049 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:52 < pikhq> Like, one that does Unicode (to the extent it's possible).
< 1346043334 434113 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:54  * pikhq would rather not mosh into localhost to get proper terminal emulation; :P
< 1346043379 121123 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find the unicode handling of rxvt-unicode to be adequate
< 1346043386 803999 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see a big difference whether i'm using mosh or not
< 1346043410 519451 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATM I'm using XFCE terminal (same underlying library as GNOME terminal)
< 1346043412 832039 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I think one of the programs in "src/examples/" in Mosh is just the terminal emulation layer
< 1346043425 705858 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ah, we got a lot of bug reports about VTE
< 1346043468 288667 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it is pretty awful code -- the GTK calls to manipulate pixels are done right within the VT220 parser
< 1346043476 615098 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Excuse me WHAT
< 1346043481 743414 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1346043490 823625 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got so outraged that your ghost quit
< 1346043505 407859 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1346043519 724262 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is compared to maintaining some kind of "what's in every cell" data structure, and then rendering that in a straightforward way
< 1346043523 135543 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what mosh does
< 1346043546 928920 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what I'd expect anyone to do.
< 1346043576 593731 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd make VTE quite useful if they made such a structure and exposed it at API level.
< 1346043582 900821 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main difference I see between urxvt and mosh-in-urxvt is a disadvantage of Mosh
< 1346043597 696109 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that, if the server side locale doesn't know about a particular Unicode character, it turns into the replacement character
< 1346043603 6069 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the local urxvt knows how to render it
< 1346043629 172874 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing I use en_US.UTF-8 essentially unconditionally!
< 1346043650 420030 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, i mean you have to use a UTF-8 locale anyway
< 1346043661 639264 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does the locale file on your server have the latest version of the Unicode character database
< 1346043666 184605 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah.
< 1346043671 309104 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all the exciting OUTLINE OF JAPAN and PILE OF POO and so forth
< 1346043674 256856 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :essential characters to be sure
< 1346043696 520294 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's a chance it's a musl system, in which case it's 10k in libc...
< 1346043717 454009 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand I have no idea how that interacts.
< 1346043741 613987 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a piece of software named metamusl
< 1346043815 850716 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does mosh work in musl?
< 1346043837 831723 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, I've actually not tried.
< 1346043891 428301 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to actually set up a moderately-functional musl system again to test. :P
< 1346043947 739069 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or poke Gregor once his try-all-of-pkgsrc script finishes again.
< 1346044204 900172 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's C++; yeah, that's definitely a "should work" proposition there.
< 1346044405 757767 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though Qt doesn't build currently. :/
< 1346044531 175440 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta sleep, ttyl
< 1346044892 541477 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a 128-bit block cipher, derive a 64-bit block cipher.
< 1346045191 291889 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "obvious" way to do it is to expand the 64 bits to 128 bits, encrypt that, and collapse the resulting 128 bits into 64 bits.
< 1346045197 371153 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, the last step is impossible.
< 1346045317 882037 :Nisstyre_!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1346045588 822992 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-150.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1346045718 902593 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-224-211.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346046066 481316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disadvantage of Mosh? I think it is a disadvantage of Unicode.
< 1346046149 839443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is that you even need a character database at all.)
< 1346046292 9040 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-224-211.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's a weird combination of the needs of terminal emulation and international text display.
< 1346046306 818276 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-224-211.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, the terminal needs to know how many cells a given glyph will take.
< 1346046325 875521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"which is that, if the server side locale doesn't know about a particular Unicode character, it turns into the replacement character" I think it would have to, if the server wants to know how wide it is and stuff like that (they could dynamically generate it from asking the terminal emulator for the cursor position, but then there are complex scripts and stuff)
< 1346046359 181807 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes; and that is a problem with Unicode.
< 1346046370 708769 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-224-211.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's a problem with terminals.
< 1346046376 208770 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346046389 360705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. I think it is a problem with Unicode.
< 1346046404 605010 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-224-211.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have the same problem with anything handling that sort of text.
< 1346046418 776989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One way to solve it would be if the character numbers were assigned differently)
< 1346046420 350887 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-224-211.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless your answer is "those Arabs should use English".
< 1346046437 208919 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-224-211.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd just be a particularly compact sort of database.
< 1346046518 998162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mixing left-to-right and right-to-left text is always a problem; it has nothing specific to do with Unicode or terminals.
< 1346046541 280993 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-224-211.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode actually has an algorithm for that. :)
< 1346046660 146088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know but still it is no good. TeX-XeT also has an algorithm for that, but I still think it is not such a good idea to do line breaking in a RTL text which inside of a LTR sentence, and vice versa. (At least with TeX-XeT you do not need a character database.)
< 1346046840 771262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both for complex scripts and for right-to-left, one thing which could be done to solve it easier would be: The program which is designed for this language will translate into presentation form when displaying.
< 1346046929 740905 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm installing mysql server on a 128MB ARM netbook
< 1346046931 271542 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recommend you run
< 1346046968 457967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to run. The other people are sleeping and that would disturb them.
< 1346047003 988599 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-224-211.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 僕 信 に 他語的 text.
< 1346047385 815115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you play the NES/Famicom square wave channels both the same except the first uses duty mode 1 and second is duty mode 3, and there is nobody around to hear it, does it make a noise?
< 1346047472 875858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am unable to test it on authentic hardware. I have a Famiclone hardware but no way to put software on a cartridge.)
< 1346048013 73736 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org NICK :spirity
< 1346048025 81500 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is kind of like
< 1346048028 947521 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :super saiyan.
< 1346048032 21768 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay?
< 1346048054 65800 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: humor is always on topic)
< 1346048061 141561 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even bad humor)
< 1346048078 441647 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1346048085 990946 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi.
< 1346048088 338173 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :many name is spirity.
< 1346048092 577409 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/an//
< 1346048105 192400 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we should take Gregor's IRC log
< 1346048124 212915 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :and count everyone's average time of typo correction.
< 1346048131 471634 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :machine learning problem.
< 1346048170 39338 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a really specific one.
< 1346048174 151160 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :involving computer code
< 1346048211 354340 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which the computer learns the average time of typo correcion of everyone in the channel named #esoteric on the Freenode network  hosted at irc.freenode.net
< 1346048251 961658 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1346048276 917264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I though this was elliott speaking for some reason.
< 1346048286 90670 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind tricks.
< 1346048313 688783 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :caused by incomplete sentences.
< 1346048315 811660 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :see?
< 1346048354 611694 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a web interface to change/edit the topic.
< 1346048362 815349 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a bot.
< 1346048368 924680 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a web server.
< 1346048375 117837 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I can provide.
< 1346048380 464585 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: elliott's offended
< 1346048394 684510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why you need to change the topic in that way.
< 1346048410 125137 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: describe the workflow of changing an IRC topic.
< 1346048438 128526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing that will cause is the topic message to be changed into spam messages too often?
< 1346048449 588917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Kitten Is Offended.
< 1346048460 282218 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyways you can just use IRC.
< 1346048469 248526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Describe the workflow using IRC.
< 1346048482 56236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346048484 469324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI
< 1346048485 149588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : HI
< 1346048485 860201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  HI
< 1346048486 592273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   HI
< 1346048487 379699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    HI
< 1346048488 544266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   HI
< 1346048490 505215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  HI
< 1346048492 649975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : HI
< 1346048494 678477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"BYE"
< 1346048496 909566 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1346048497 479161 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1346048499 697724 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops
< 1346048510 956383 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: depends on client, operating system, graphics mananger. display manager.
< 1346048515 676074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346048517 439892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot one
< 1346048518 108453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI
< 1346048519 25451 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: why did you say hi so many times???
< 1346048519 183784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1346048526 902482 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: because I was excited.
< 1346048536 201774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: Well, yes; everything does.
< 1346048590 944940 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: /topic, highlight in your terminal emulator of choice, copy into a /topic command
< 1346048615 403460 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :using IRC client and command input scheme of choice.
< 1346048642 199519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is duty mode 3 just inverted duty mode 1? 
< 1346048651 197052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, I think so.
< 1346048692 42961 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :workflow for HTTP interface: go to extremely tiny easy to remember link using web browser of choice. change text in a textarea. submit POST request using favorite input method of choice.
< 1346048726 530536 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1346048736 688448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the workflow is different but I think the first way is obviously better.
< 1346048752 192513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you already will have IRC, if you are on IRC.
< 1346048764 60071 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically it elimates the copy command, which can be time consuming.
< 1346048765 318874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you need not load another program.
< 1346048784 126056 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :change topic by regex substition?
< 1346048794 59707 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :in channel with bot?
< 1346048794 970533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loading another program is even more time consuming
< 1346048816 243070 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to moderate spammers  (on paper, anyway)
< 1346048817 748086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And depending on the IRC client you may not even need a copy command.
< 1346048833 442827 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. are there any examples?
< 1346048851 824831 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, let's write an IRC client.
< 1346048871 982415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any but it is definitely possible.
< 1346048880 417000 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1346048941 413740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the copy command for? If it's to copy the old one, all the gooey clients have it already in the text field.
< 1346048942 490790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the copy command is definitely less time consuming than loading another program and is also less time consuming than selecting a bunch of menus or whatever.
< 1346048979 408060 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, GUI clients typically have this.
< 1346048994 560435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least I am using PHIRC with the PuTTY terminal emulator; to copy text just highlight with left mouse button, and then click the right button (middle button if on UNIX).)
< 1346049013 311398 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1346049056 49575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode ChanServ has topicappend/topicprepend, though not quite topicregex.
< 1346049057 369604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So to copy the topic message, simply by typing TOPIC and then space and CTRL+C and then space, colon, highlight message and then paste (no explicit "copy to clipboard" command is necessary).
< 1346049061 26641 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :regex is likely to be faster.
< 1346049063 657557 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some situations.
< 1346049072 269411 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some people.
< 1346049113 875513 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :the HTTP interface is only a good idea for some kind of larger web-based system.
< 1346049158 509525 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dedicated web based client (already exists)
< 1346049193 453594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, it is a good idea for some kind of larger web-based system, but a kind of larger web-based system is a bad idea anyways.
< 1346049893 309139 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346049893 494464 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346049893 494543 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346049893 494618 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346050323 564437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346051247 27335 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346053843 919505 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1346054088 916022 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346054315 723209 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :blargh
< 1346054325 152437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, hmm?
< 1346054334 496171 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to set up email from my machine
< 1346054337 283918 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is SMTP so hard
< 1346054542 181751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not hard, it's Simple; it says so right in the name.
< 1346055059 874803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346055083 645858 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346055090 303909 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1346055337 567555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone happen to know how screen determines the encoding to speak to the terminal? I have LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 everywhere (both locally as well as remotely), but after they upgraded this workstation, I now have to use "screen -U" to convince it to speak (and listen) UTF-8 to (from) the terminal; it didn't use to require anything.
< 1346055528 261963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The -U option seems to just nwin_options.encoding = nwin_options.encoding == -1 ? UTF8 : 0;, but that doesn't really make sense, since it also if (((s = getenv("LC_ALL")) || (s = getenv("LC_CTYPE")) || (s = getenv("LANG"))) && InStr(s, "UTF-8")) nwin_options.encoding = UTF8; and that sure should be true.
< 1346055585 532526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, it maybe does nwin_options.encoding = FindEncoding(nl_langinfo(CODESET)); instead, but certainly that should be the same thing.
< 1346055648 736456 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346055656 183004 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346055862 872253 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be NICK :Test
< 1346055867 969289 :Test!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be NICK :AnotherTest
< 1346056090 99922 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346056240 823990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it seems that the locale-setting returns errors if there's even a single LC_ variable that refers to a non-generated locale; I only had en_US ones generated, but due to something or other LC_PAPER was set to fi_FI.UTF-8; generating the fi_FI locales fixed it.
< 1346056247 154841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Kind of stupef.)
< 1346056274 534290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with en_FI.UTF-8?
< 1346056375 375028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cannot open locale definition file `en_FI': No such file or directory" is what's wrong with it.
< 1346056864 409845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with fi_FI.UTF-8, rather?
< 1346056959 14836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing in particular, except that it hadn't been generated on the box I ssh to.
< 1346056997 56548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the context of LC_MESSAGES, what's wrong are the silly messages.)
< 1346057084 735762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I suppose the commas in context of LC_NUMERIC.)
< 1346057174 489789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the "stupef" bit referred more to the fact that even if LC_PAPER is set to a locale that doesn't exist, it shouldn't break things that depend only on LC_CTYPE, which after all was set to a perfectly valid value.
< 1346059737 424008 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course you want fi_FI on LC_{MONETARY,PAPER,ADDRESS,TELEPHONE,MEASUREMENT} so there's no reason to not have it generated.
< 1346059785 259938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi_FI_ＦＩ
< 1346059813 183412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :9FI
< 1346059882 732192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=RrL2hLpCGwk&NR=1 wtf
< 1346059944 466124 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=RrL2hLpCGwk&NR=1 wtf
< 1346059944 634609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346059949 548231 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure he';ll appreciate this video
< 1346059974 383918 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the person actually think this looks real? At all?
< 1346059993 436604 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott  Does the person actually think this looks real? At all?
< 1346059993 622478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346060002 353795 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(important commentary, not to be without)
< 1346060011 834485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy  monqy
< 1346060011 980822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346060016 204857 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1346060016 397961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 5s ago:  monqy
< 1346060023 680838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks lambdabot
< 1346060029 98413 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1346060056 722172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: who's your favourite bot?? ??
< 1346060067 41598 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1346060071 716126 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tough choice!
< 1346060074 379551 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like a lot of bots
< 1346060077 364927 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for different reasons
< 1346060086 361182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you gotta choose"
< 1346060086 944611 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're incomparable, you could say
< 1346060099 539650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bots form a semilattice"
< 1346060143 895982 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which direction is the join????
< 1346060160 687122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :up !
< 1346060166 176134 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: D
< 1346060179 807756 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good direction as any, I'd say
< 1346060187 264009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it as good as:
< 1346060192 843864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :southeast??
< 1346060217 959507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :southeast forms a semilattice with southeast as the top !
< 1346060218 539733 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and southsouthwest, and westnorthwest
< 1346060228 131510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and westwestwest
< 1346060233 701856 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :westwestwest is boring
< 1346060242 937256 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :three wests is overdone it!
< 1346060250 831194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Disk space! 
< 1346060253 949328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eastwestwest
< 1346060261 5946 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're getting somewhere
< 1346060266 784310 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the somewhere: west????
< 1346060272 704814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data direction equals east or easteast or easteasteast
< 1346060332 883226 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1346060334 401312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you know: i'm a bot! ?
< 1346060338 888304 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1346060349 801762 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always thought you were a shachaf.............
< 1346060353 907931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliotts is also a bot :'(
< 1346060355 990070 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i been lied too?????
< 1346060370 163726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what if i=am shachaf bot??
< 1346060372 403787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :????
< 1346060378 421730 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1346060378 815786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mystery: solved
< 1346060462 1651 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Indeed, almost a 3.5" floppy disk's worth!
< 1346060485 59417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about: a 3.5' floppy disk!
< 1346060521 738906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.44/(3.5 * 3.5)
< 1346060522 951819 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0.11755102040816326
< 1346060548 40564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.11755102040816326 * (3.5*12 * 3.5*12)
< 1346060548 997096 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  207.35999999999999
< 1346060562 275538 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.44 \* 144
< 1346060563 208016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `\*'
< 1346060570 442945 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, I'm too used to the command line
< 1346060572 362801 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.44 * 144
< 1346060573 326268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  207.35999999999999
< 1346060576 524817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that =  a lot of megbytes.
< 1346060581 208857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You're making life too easy.
< 1346060599 450633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet I can make it even more complicated than that.
< 1346060600 347159 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's more than a zip disk!
< 1346060600 582590 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that 1.44MB floppies are actually 1440*1024 bytes
< 1346060618 637249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google 1440*1024 bytes in megabytes
< 1346060619 823789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.40625 megabytes
< 1346060619 976286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://support.microsoft.com/kb/121839
< 1346060620 122449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Determining Actual Disk Size: Why 1.44 MB Should Be 1.40 MB
< 1346060620 809018 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1440 * 1024 * 144 / 1024 / 1024
< 1346060621 794768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  202.5
< 1346060637 945005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks microsoft knowledge base
< 1346060645 530800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thicrosoft thowledge thase
< 1346060803 454118 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :" There are 1024 bytes in a kilobyte, not 1000. " I'm glad Microsoft doesn't listen to HDD manufactureres
< 1346060902 339099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: A HDD manufacturer would've called it a 1.47 MB floppy.
< 1346060967 918177 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346061025 760613 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-22.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346061073 462297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1000 `isApproximatelyEqualTo` 1024
< 1346061075 371376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1346061079 635202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :∎
< 1346061095 860286 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 `isApproximatelyEqualTo` 1024
< 1346061097 848024 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  False
< 1346061164 112340 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful function!
< 1346061176 125527 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 999 `isApproximatelyEqualTo` 1024
< 1346061178 46064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  False
< 1346061178 787604 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src isApproximatelyEqualTo
< 1346061178 979341 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Maybe you made a typo?
< 1346061184 184084 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Methinks it's been optimized for this situation.
< 1346061298 284120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideas how to disable Gnome desktop icons "nowadays" (Ubuntu 12.04)? The old 'gconftool /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop to false' doesn't seem to do anything.
< 1346061307 875631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is the Gnome 3 fallback mode or whatever.
< 1346061375 270795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google speaks of a 'dconf-editor' but I don't have a thing like that.
< 1346061444 91716 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346061558 746527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently I can't run the dconf-editor binary from the package because "Settings schema 'ca.desrt.dconf-editor.Settings' is not installed".
< 1346061584 236957 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why make things simple when they could be complex?
< 1346061609 419691 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why use Gnome 3?
< 1346061624 702828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure, to be honest.
< 1346061660 359685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought, since they've bothered to fiddle together a "Gnome 3 fallback + XMonad" session file in the package, I might as well use it, since it's so close to what I used to do here.
< 1346061816 844945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just live with the icons for now; at least it'll make me clean up the ~/Desktop/ for some cruft that has inexplicably ended up in there.
< 1346061838 523944 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_%28desktop_environment%29
< 1346061963 624055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't be bothered to actually start attempting to install something on this thing, as a non-root person.
< 1346062447 823951 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1346063112 778384 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-219-65.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :
< 1346063187 221618 :Eladith!~eladith@gzrrplox.kortex.jyu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346063297 418278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Finally, the Department's Jura IMPRESSA Z5 coffee machine is (again) back from the maintenance -- Please observe that the IMPRESSA has a new usage policy: YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THE IMPRESSA, unless you follow the usage policy at [url]. The reason for the strict policy is that the IMPRESSA has spent more time in maintenance than in active coffee service, because it has been broken several ...
< 1346063303 958054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... times because of improper use. It is rather surprising in how many ways a complex scientific instrument like IMPRESSA, which has many buttons to push and parts to pull out etc., can be broken."
< 1346063309 289442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, this coffee machine is truly the gift that keeps on giving.
< 1346063318 127495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even drink coffee, but the emails still manage to amuse.
< 1346063434 798116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The policy specifies Class A, B, C and D licenses for the coffee machine, and lists actions that you may perform at the different levels.
< 1346063534 522557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Without a license:] "2. You are allowed to perform ONLY the following action: a. IF the display has a text COFFEE READY: i. Place a cup under the hot water spout (11). ii. Press the desired product button (10–12). iii. Wait WITHOUT TOUCHING ANYTHING until the cup is filled and the text COFFEE READY is displayed again. DO NOT TOUCH JURA if any other text than COFFEE READY is displayed, ...
< 1346063540 522776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... strange sounds are emitted, or there are no lights, or if there are blinking lights! Instead, please contact a Jura License holder."
< 1346063548 807160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coffee machines: serious business.
< 1346063608 719318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a Google Docs provided online exam for qualification to the first level (Class A).
< 1346063937 330960 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With amusing questions.
< 1346064027 820298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"c. Escape from the crime scene."
< 1346064031 845453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answers are not bad either.
< 1346064063 453923 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they provide most of the amusement.
< 1346064105 44287 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346064425 894648 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A854.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346064904 435338 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346064909 902126 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346064925 591079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make my computer cry in suffering and try to install Eclipse+Counterclockwise
< 1346065306 151330 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346065313 122576 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346065416 101274 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1346065454 88905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME Arc_Koen
< 1346065463 769081 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARC_KOEN: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.)
< 1346065834 204407 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know it had an ALL-CAPITALS version
< 1346065852 388696 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now you do.
< 1346065856 386121 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The link doesn't work though.
< 1346065864 261261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ FreeFull
< 1346065868 289433 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ＦＲＥＥＦＵＬＬ：　ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ　ＴＯ　ＴＨＥ　ＩＮＴＥＲＮＡＴＩＯＮＡＬ　ＨＵＢ　ＦＯＲ　ＥＳＯＴＥＲＩＣ　ＰＲＯＧＲＡＭＭＩＮＧ　ＬＡＮＧＵＡＧＥ　ＤＥＳＩＧＮ　ＡＮＤ　ＤＥＰＬＯＹＭＥＮＴ！　ＦＯＲ　ＭＯＲＥ　ＩＮＦＯＲＭＡＴＩＯＮ，　ＣＨＥＣＫ　ＯＵＴ　ＯＵＲ　ＷＩＫＩ：　ＨＴＴＰ：／／ＥＳＯＬＡＮ
< 1346065874 889273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that link work?
< 1346065903 932613 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE
< 1346065907 956564 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.)
< 1346065917 702833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The link is cut off, isn't it? 
< 1346065919 907522 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's cut off after Ｎ so nope.
< 1346065929 392408 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELcome
< 1346065932 503553 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: WELcome: not found
< 1346065947 503579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mixed-caps link doesn't work either, though.
< 1346066099 263802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, wow.
< 1346066115 689277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I type in http://ＥＳＯＬＡＮＧＳ.ＯＲＧ/ in Chrome, it goes to esolangs.org.
< 1346066125 849576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What!
< 1346066130 676533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scum.
< 1346066149 454511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ＨＴＴＰ：／／ＥＳＯＬＡＮＧＳ.ＯＲＧ" only does a Google search, though.
< 1346066158 615533 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be something they put in the idna "standard"
< 1346066189 540349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i don't need a" "standard"
< 1346066230 880425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Straight-forward punycode on it would go to xn--mi7chahsld1af.xn--si7cpaj which I doubt exists.
< 1346066236 967346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the xn--si7cpaj TLD.
< 1346066258 269549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :xn-himonqy-xn.com
< 1346066284 41189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote solidity
< 1346066287 354073 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :273)  enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity
< 1346067745 19086 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1346068148 655618 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, GreaseMonkey's getting involved in Homestuck
< 1346068155 501654 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1346068162 993200 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1346068170 728158 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It goes there in Firefox (15) as well.
< 1346068398 621400 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346069263 957108 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ＥＳＯＬＡＮＧＳ.ＯＲＧ/ goes to esolangs.org in Firefox. http://xn--mi7chahsld1af.xn--si7cpaj/ doesn't though
< 1346069633 694378 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Slashes#Quine  This is the best quine ever
< 1346070456 944558 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-253.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346070489 728561 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-224-211.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1346070769 339322 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346070973 420687 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1346071666 679600 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346071694 738558 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346072083 380280 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1346072430 818170 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346072765 774021 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1346075185 382671 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346078838 702652 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_ALL=fi_IRC.UTF-8
< 1346078881 634338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc_EN.
< 1346078913 124405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall that you can use three-letter language codes in the first part, too, often.
< 1346079131 548935 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you can't use EN for the second part, though?
< 1346079400 406855 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beast Jesus is best Jesus.
< 1346079529 318910 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_ALL=kw_GB.UTF-8
< 1346079562 729034 :impomatic!~digital_w@176.18.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346080394 554772 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_ALL=fr_CA.utf-8
< 1346080440 272478 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_ALL=C
< 1346080650 134468 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1346080745 93470 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :en_GB.UTF-8
< 1346081057 391414 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_ALL=C.UTF-8
< 1346081232 369396 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346081248 687731 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1346081275 926101 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi donmarquis
< 1346081289 245974 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo
< 1346081289 392299 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis PRIVMSG #esoteric :l
< 1346081292 424370 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis PRIVMSG #esoteric : nuthead alert
< 1346081327 772354 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey mate  do you know anyway of writing an if statement if 
< 1346081330 347565 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis PRIVMSG #esoteric : brainfuck
< 1346081336 575123 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in brainfuck]
< 1346081358 972561 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346081432 859082 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the loop commands []
< 1346081454 74749 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a body which makes sure the loop condition will be false on  the next iteration
< 1346081569 130199 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis PRIVMSG #esoteric :example mate ?
< 1346081576 157699 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>+[<..>-]
< 1346081585 817480 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis PRIVMSG #esoteric :im kind of a beginner :P
< 1346081611 314409 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that moves to a cell that contains 0)
< 1346081634 213528 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>+[<..>-]
< 1346081634 528661 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :##
< 1346081640 569210 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>[<..>-]
< 1346081710 686691 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you get it?
< 1346081712 352982 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[foo] means while (current cell is not 0) { foo }
< 1346081730 797993 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the end of "foo" makes the current cell 0, by decrementing it or by moving to a different cell
< 1346081738 491931 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's equivalent to if (current cell is not 0) { ... }
< 1346081846 400141 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346081875 951281 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello atriq
< 1346081881 685845 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1346081882 492263 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1346081883 798841 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't try to use brainfuck for anything serious unless you really want to
< 1346081922 675096 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's true of most esolangs
< 1346081930 995111 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe except Funge-98
< 1346081966 935955 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funges are cool
< 1346081985 144012 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i want to write a simple program :P nothing serious though
< 1346082042 711070 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, brainfuck is called a turing tarpit for a reason
< 1346082071 701579 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet most people who work with brainfuck actually end up writing programs to write the brainfuck for them
< 1346082118 227906 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1346082163 982910 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi atriq
< 1346082168 285805 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1346082171 521181 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAaaaaah
< 1346082291 34946 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis PRIVMSG #esoteric :to write the brainfuck ?
< 1346082315 505519 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a compiler or preprocessor
< 1346082538 17824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right; well, irc_FI, for the Finnish regional variant of the "IRC" language, and fi_IRC for the Finnish language as spoken in IRC, then.
< 1346082696 853427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I'm not sure you should be advocating even Funge-98 use in a "serious context" without the unless-you-want-to qualifier, even though it's admittedly a more feasible proposition than many other esolangs.
< 1346082988 841427 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346083039 837885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346084072 892082 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346084658 317498 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1346085848 619321 :impomatic!~digital_w@176.18.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: impomatic
< 1346086309 492864 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346086391 814861 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am beginning to hate Eclipse
< 1346086398 408924 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Only because of what I assume is a bug)
< 1346086646 692885 :kinoSi0!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346087196 105170 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1346087196 263178 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1346087196 429715 :chickenzilla!~chicken@88-190-32-81.rev.dedibox.fr QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1346087335 393173 :chickenzilla!~chicken@88-190-32-81.rev.dedibox.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346087419 975511 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346087839 672193 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I'm trying to write an ocaml interpreter for Fueue http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fueue
< 1346087914 401496 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a queue-based language; apparently when the top element is a function, you must first check if the following elements are values of the appropriate type to be that function's parameters
< 1346087932 884113 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except some function (+, *, /, for instance) are expecting two elements
< 1346087996 264724 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can only "look" at the first element; if I want to see the second, I must first pop the first element... and if the second element is not suited for the function, I have to put the first one back on top of the queue...
< 1346088009 873103 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not possible since it's a queue
< 1346088027 352145 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346088095 621901 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you guys have any ideas? (besides pushing the first element at the end of the queue and then making a full queue rotation to have it on top again)
< 1346088125 850182 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a structure other than a queue?
< 1346088214 860546 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you implying I got fooled by the "Fueue is a http://esolangs.org/wiki/Queue-based http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language" at the beginning of the wiki page?
< 1346088271 713258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have no way of peeking ahead in the queue?
< 1346088275 962550 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1346088302 715106 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't be a problem if you used Haskell, since you would be able to peek, yet still have the old queue
< 1346088318 68818 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'd have to make my own chained-list queue
< 1346088320 768215 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mutability's fault :p
< 1346088339 520566 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocaml only allows me to pop the first element, peek the first element, and push an element
< 1346088343 259501 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, thanks :)
< 1346088567 390837 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-115.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346088682 230676 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could temporarily store them in a different data structure
< 1346089166 665978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Haskell it is possible to program in what is allowed and what is not allowed.
< 1346089336 474657 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, I'm beginning to get frustrated with Clojure sandboxes
< 1346089343 530702 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1346089343 716846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1346089408 712629 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's not a good sign
< 1346089419 18861 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :pirateat41
< 1346089438 998190 :impomatic!~digital_w@176.18.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346089483 880160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to invent and implement WizardCard programming language, although I might want to change it more similar to Lisp and/or Scheme. It is for compiling into Haskell. Maybe there should be an explicit syntax to indicate where a symbol is declared though, and I think it should have rulebooks like in Inform 7 but first-class rulebooks (as well as first-class functions).
< 1346089542 676572 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I am not exactly sure. Opinions?
< 1346089579 410137 :pirateat41!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1346089607 139544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the features I intended it to have is some mechanism by which it can read text from Magic: the Gathering cards and similar games and convert them into the AST.
< 1346090208 559623 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1346090321 721401 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-70.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out
< 1346091186 202169 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346091841 722982 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-166.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346091871 152557 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-166.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's Freefall is quite good
< 1346091973 900151 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346092189 848381 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sam doesn't need to know what he's doing
< 1346092307 593964 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-166.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also liked today's Girl Genius
< 1346092330 724289 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-166.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's xkcd reminded me of an old Brawl in the Family
< 1346092706 501108 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like http://what-if.xkcd.com/8/
< 1346092719 962719 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-166.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that was good
< 1346092721 991912 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that i don't think randall munroe knows what "light rail" is
< 1346092741 608828 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, common mistake :)
< 1346092876 852309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346093056 146914 :Eladith!~eladith@gzrrplox.kortex.jyu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346093748 846368 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1346093754 384892 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1346093822 376182 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are Clojure developers always going to make the language uglier in their pursuit of performance?
< 1346093831 757369 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-166.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes?
< 1346093852 271687 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-166.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure's the lispy one for JVM, right?
< 1346093879 960255 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1346093943 514938 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Performance is the reason arithmetic doesn't automatically go up to BigInteger if needed
< 1346094039 391530 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearly every language does that to some degree
< 1346094050 490508 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost no language "always" does that
< 1346094124 901706 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ø_ø
< 1346094134 87263 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :°_°
< 1346094180 98104 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one looks like Roberto from Futurama
< 1346094537 279531 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346095127 613600 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like trains
< 1346095129 793493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346095181 280807 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1346095202 557293 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346095387 222631 :nortti!~androirc@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346095640 86982 :nortti!~androirc@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi NICK :nortti_
< 1346095761 84184 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: trains are cool. we just don't have enough of them here to satisfy the generic trainspotter's appetite.
< 1346095776 872917 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has repressed trainspotter tendencies.

< 1346095829 178919 :Eladith!~eladith@gzrrplox.kortex.jyu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346096077 423389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mountains are nice.
< 1346096104 812496 :impomatic!~digital_w@176.18.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prefers mountains to trains

< 1346096106 625268 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here = where?
< 1346096120 227058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the channel.
< 1346096125 335608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen very few trains on #esoteric.
< 1346096173 286269 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: here = montréal.
< 1346096301 342030 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1346096321 337290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd paste U+1F684 HIGH-SPEED TRAIN, U+1F685 HIGH-SPEED TRAIN WITH BULLET NOSE and U+1F686 TRAIN to remedy the #esoteric train situation, but I'm afraid some piece of software or another would just eat the astral planes, and then it'd be all embarrassing.
< 1346096326 973922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :🚄 🚅 🚆 WORTH A TRY
< 1346096360 848550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't look very promising.
< 1346096368 587722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nothing ever works out right.)
< 1346096428 569290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'unno; in my bouncer log they do seem like reasonable UTF-8 sequences.
< 1346096437 266204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't have the fonts, of course.
< 1346096558 131633 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have the fonts, and mosh doesn't have the character info either
< 1346096591 674845 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a trains and trams theme day on #esoteric a while ago, I think it was when kmc was in estonia
< 1346096594 696370 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well, there is a metro at least
< 1346096632 796313 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might also have been a few sentences about trains, but a trains and trams theme day sounds like more fun
< 1346096648 278226 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interesting system, with rubber tires and automatic train control
< 1346096705 531050 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and electromagnetic brakes
< 1346096763 863936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a plan to upgrade the Helsinki metro trains to some kind of automatic control, in negotiations right this summer, and it was this || close to happening, but at the last possible moments the talks with Siemens (I think) broke down, and they opted not to.
< 1346096801 59880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I think that's what happened. They announced they weren't going ahead with the deal, then they announced they actually still are going ahead with it, and finally they announced again that it's not going to happen.
< 1346096808 732842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They may have flopped once more for all I know.
< 1346096909 112288 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-166.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1346097300 219044 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-115.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1346097393 994555 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the metro is nice, if not a little bit too warm in the summer.
< 1346097472 453457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346097686 932993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : so this dr who thing is british or did i take the wrong one? <-- now you got me considering the idea of an american remake...
< 1346097827 119469 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, an american doctor who ... that could be the worst thing ever
< 1346097829 105761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The "Doctor What", then? 
< 1346097871 12409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously.
< 1346097916 640251 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the americans will have difficulty understanding that kind of wordplay
< 1346097937 32213 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be "Doctor Time"
< 1346097938 147509 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that the american version is always better
< 1346097942 124018 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in everything
< 1346097950 708992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Also bigger.
< 1346097981 672851 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doctor who is a play on words? :D
< 1346098017 93065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh. No oerjan. <-- shocking.
< 1346098028 567176 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it just meant like "doctor *who*??"
< 1346098036 939936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall assume he wanted me to ban shachaf for being a soundnfury/cheater chimera
< 1346098039 971271 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because no one knows who he is and shit
< 1346098043 291823 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway nig
< 1346098044 606717 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :h
< 1346098045 18254 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1346098086 669402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's an eminently portmanteauable word-pair. I shall be saying "oh, noerjan" a lot in the future, if I just remember to.
< 1346098087 732702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i think it's clearly established his name is not "who", at least
< 1346098141 864370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's ok my log search will find that.
< 1346098161 941531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Am I?
< 1346098170 497269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the logs clearly suggest it
< 1346098196 42921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : soundnfury 'n' cheater combined
< 1346098311 315186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346098334 378377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You should op me.
< 1346098360 89899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suddenly have this _remarkable_ sense of deja vu
< 1346098397 25284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I promise to voice oerjan.
< 1346098455 288687 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346098473 734509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that oerjan guy doesn't deserve a voice, he just blathers nonsense.
< 1346098485 123818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. I promise to voice ais523.
< 1346098505 793572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :will that make him complete feather?
< 1346098550 919917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1346098552 972004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or no.
< 1346098554 990872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody can tell.
< 1346098560 378284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll just be whatever is best for the universe.
< 1346098560 527036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1346098562 613263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my promise.
< 1346098602 173399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, whatever is best for the universe has a tendency to be painful for me
< 1346098607 177938 :asiekierka!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346098627 86582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But you are the universe!
< 1346098630 53763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guarantee it.
< 1346098653 778437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was afraid of that.
< 1346098675 719789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But there is no fear! I also guarantee this.
< 1346098678 71749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wait, were you telling oerjan to ban me?
< 1346098678 797689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that "the egg" thing, i thought it seemed depressing
< 1346098712 174391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: he never said what he wanted but that was the obvious conclusion.
< 1346098733 703040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you hear that I'm a soundnfury/cheater chimera?
< 1346098773 553575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't ban shachaf. That's my promise.
< 1346098783 578576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good.
< 1346098795 536645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What "the egg" thing?)
< 1346098806 400370 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ban shachaf
< 1346098835 716596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html
< 1346098840 479457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I won't ban shachaf. But maybe I'll op you.
< 1346098863 150424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you op me?
< 1346098869 972431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin - elliott
< 1346098880 820507 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you op me?
< 1346098881 347079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you ever read Fine Structure?
< 1346098887 650337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote trust olsner
< 1346098891 842725 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :557)  this strikes me as probably better than a singularity, because you can't trust a random AI, but you can probably trust olsner
< 1346098895 578433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1346098927 233214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's good.
< 1346098934 720477 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great, apparently you can probably trust me :(
< 1346098937 189050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you ever read that blog post?
< 1346098995 248412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he meant what he said and he said what he meant, an olsner is faithful 100%
< 1346099136 161773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1346099168 364331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is that a no?
< 1346099186 572433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a frowney
< 1346099227 916858 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sad-ist?
< 1346099240 716573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How about you just op olsner?
< 1346099246 717776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, he's olsner.
< 1346099293 961919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would the world look like if i started opping swedes
< 1346099297 820660 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as " olsner: How about you just op olsner?"
< 1346099393 904909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :opsner
< 1346099406 341689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like oopsner
< 1346099441 78412 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :øpjan
< 1346099493 277586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: olsner doesn't even count as a Swede.
< 1346099496 242900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's too nice.
< 1346099598 834632 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, swedes are nice
< 1346099803 805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can see, olsner is flawed
< 1346099844 682471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :flød
< 1346099860 653174 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like flåd
< 1346099929 124778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Do you know Rust?
< 1346100066 961294 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pretty sure I've read about it but I don't remember which one it is
< 1346100113 778065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the thing.
< 1346100117 613696 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346100120 709321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So did you read the post?
< 1346100143 413020 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you have followup questions that would motivate me googling for rust to refresh my memory?
< 1346100154 554718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Sort of?
< 1346100217 280174 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat, "It is designed to be practical" (says wikipedia anyway)
< 1346100246 969576 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you finish FS?
< 1346100253 20141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: They have closures and stuff.
< 1346100255 31059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Ages ago, yes.
< 1346100258 993048 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW CLOSURES
< 1346100262 177784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes!
< 1346100262 667818 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLEEDING EDGE TECHNOLOGY
< 1346100272 98603 :asiekierka!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346100273 694322 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1346100300 325610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346100304 48623 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, remind me how closures doesn't really mean what most people think about when languages "have closures"
< 1346100308 286063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, they're not allocating everything on the heap and so on, so it's not as trivial as it could be.
< 1346100323 319729 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Rust has some interesting uniqueness typing stuff going on
< 1346100339 402893 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an attempt at a new systems programming language, made by people who know OCaml and Haskell in addition to C and C++
< 1346100344 540430 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike Go
< 1346100345 26267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I like uniqueness types. But edwardk tells me they're bad because they stop you doing a bunch of optimisations you really want and stuff.
< 1346100349 535831 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wikipedia is bad for programming languages, it groups all the buzzwords in the first sentence making it sound like hogwash
< 1346100349 741674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't want to believe him, because they're nice.
< 1346100373 819442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: They have a tutorial thing.
< 1346100375 239705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust, I mean.
< 1346100383 948581 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"an experimental, concurrent, multi-paradigm, compiled programming language [...] supporting pure-functional, concurrent-actor, imperative-procedural, and object-oriented styles."
< 1346100411 635598 :nortti_!~androirc@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any experience with go?
< 1346100413 393732 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :take Java, dumb it down even more, and then make the syntax weird enough that C elitists will accept it
< 1346100416 406737 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's go
< 1346100430 222735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go is pretty bad in a bunch of ways, but that's a silly way of putting it.
< 1346100440 651162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't really have objects, for one.)
< 1346100458 714970 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :alGOl
< 1346100460 610048 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has x.f(y) syntax of course it has objects!!!!!!!!
< 1346100475 764499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :objects, n. a module system
< 1346100573 396899 :nortti_!~androirc@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have anything good?
< 1346100589 917780 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a memory-safe language attempting to eat C's market share
< 1346100595 97535 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is good
< 1346100601 904930 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, rust limits type inference to local variables? sounds a bit boring
< 1346100605 772933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect nortti_ would like go
< 1346100616 593324 :nortti_!~androirc@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1346100629 565109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're a go getter
< 1346100631 66701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is uniqueness types?
< 1346100634 156358 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to replace C because you have to convince C programmers that the new thing is not a slight to their manhood
< 1346100648 983639 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to make your new language seem weird and H4RDC0R3
< 1346100681 65792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many programming languages for different use.
< 1346100692 632598 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows Java is for "idiot code monkeys"
< 1346100704 933598 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :loljava
< 1346100709 242645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Have you written anything in ATS?
< 1346100711 811985 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll gladly accept a near certainty of exploitable security holes in exchange for not being an "idiot code monkey"
< 1346100715 171801 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1346100720 62271 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATS is incomprehensible
< 1346100727 845339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what they say about Haskell.
< 1346100734 104125 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :incomprehensible === really really good
< 1346100734 265064 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, burn
< 1346100741 217263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I find ATS code usually looks pretty reasonable if you're not actually writing a algorithm with a proof of correctness.)
< 1346100746 451564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then it just looks like Agda.)
< 1346100796 413362 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only ATS code I've read is from the shootouts, and those programs are all written by a madman
< 1346100809 209596 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think)
< 1346100809 356102 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought those were basically C
< 1346100839 959947 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :using some ATS embedded C feature
< 1346101067 908570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should write a Haskell compiler that compiles down to code faster than C.
< 1346101073 452005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also make it better than Haskell.
< 1346101074 630961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use that.
< 1346101118 842068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also make it @
< 1346101131 120881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, that already exists.
< 1346101137 559270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google ndm supero
< 1346101138 912777 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://community.haskell.org/~ndm/supero/
< 1346101139 61720 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Neil Mitchell - Supero
< 1346101144 513196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote monochrom einstein
< 1346101144 701848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: einstein's theory implies that haskell cannot be faster than c
< 1346101198 397439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can Einstein's theory imply that Haskell cannot be faster than C? I think it would depend much on the compilers and the computers it runs on.
< 1346101224 116180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://esolangs.org/wiki/Slashes#Quine  This is the best quine ever <-- you're welcome :)
< 1346101226 564384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Einstein's theory implies that it cannot be faster than c.
< 1346101228 966815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think Supero is better than Haskell.
< 1346101233 252597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language it compiles, I mean.
< 1346101245 387043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy  How can Einstein's theory imply that Haskell cannot be faster than C? I think it would depend much on the compilers and the computers it runs on.
< 1346101245 550885 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346101289 732114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hi monqy
< 1346101289 990612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "monqy".
< 1346101304 709733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy should quit smoking. :-(
< 1346101305 692967 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it's a joke, pretending to confuse C the language with c the physics constant.
< 1346101320 546761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD JOKE
< 1346101323 991270 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346101331 844269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also if you op me I will kick shachaf.
< 1346101340 136049 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also it's much better now that Sgeo explained it
< 1346101359 200546 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like it when people are left out of the loop
< 1346101360 813973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: O, yes.
< 1346101364 427208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are correct.
< 1346101371 994027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot.
< 1346101375 166540 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Did you write that quine?
< 1346101380 111939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You promised to not kick shachaf. :-(
< 1346101391 134935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I lied.
< 1346101398 752736 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: no
< 1346101403 352616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (;;) {};
< 1346101404 38469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo;
< 1346101408 255642 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define ever (;;)
< 1346101410 943699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I left you out of the loop.
< 1346101417 131992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy elliott = el-lie-ott. proof:: 14:03  shachaf: I lied.
< 1346101417 346379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346101426 237059 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :el lie bot?
< 1346101426 684952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : monqy should quit smoking. :-( <-- he clearly took up smoking to ease the "hi" abstinence
< 1346101437 571685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smoking gets you hi.
< 1346101526 447257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are better ways to get hi. :-(
< 1346101593 682585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where did this monqy smoking thing come from?)
< 1346101595 233357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: technically i think he only promised not to _ban_ you
< 1346101620 531403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy never mind elliott was telling the truth. he lied when he said he lied :'(
< 1346101620 726113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346101628 829707 :nortti_!~androirc@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )
< 1346101636 685341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i think you mistabexpanded
< 1346101645 77151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :misbetareduced
< 1346101646 751590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes i wrote it)
< 1346101659 795638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Don't lie. olsner deserves the credit.
< 1346101664 14867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: You're so good at ///!
< 1346101666 217861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well generated it with haskell
< 1346101683 857993 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks
< 1346101711 781312 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I wrote the quine, don't listen to the norwegian
< 1346101739 385394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I wrote that quine, don't listen to the Norwegian and the Swede.
< 1346101743 19141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :op me and i'll kick oerjan for lying
< 1346101810 378799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i suddenly wonder, does elliott mean something in hebrew?
< 1346101850 300027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it almost sounds like it could be a hebrew word
< 1346101901 424137 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not enough consonants, I think
< 1346101910 493014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just heard on the news: "President Obama has declared Louisiana an emergency state – a state of emergency"
< 1346101930 935485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which news, i wonder
< 1346101944 790760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC news
< 1346101952 9406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they got it wrong twice
< 1346101963 928449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's one of those sentences that's just wrong enough to be confusing
< 1346101976 789354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Nothing in particular, I think.
< 1346101995 500479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, i was hoping for "incorrigible liar"
< 1346102081 97849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :incorrigible lyre
< 1346102096 466094 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're the lying norwegian, why don't you just add that to the wisdom file?
< 1346102103 460346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that sounds bad
< 1346102107 442714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan
< 1346102110 976571 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation.
< 1346102117 172403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf
< 1346102120 600985 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf sprø som selleri
< 1346102135 553886 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprø = crispy?
< 1346102140 531278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitter?
< 1346102149 280563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brittle.
< 1346102153 941693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION unable to read. :-(

< 1346102160 269166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation.  Also a lying Norwegian." >wisdom/oerjan
< 1346102163 315310 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation.  Also a lying Norwegian." >wisdom/oerjan
< 1346102175 188150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it means both crispy and crazy in norwegian
< 1346102179 23380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ew, double-spacing.
< 1346102184 548646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian." >wisdom/oerjan
< 1346102187 288964 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian." >wisdom/oerjan
< 1346102188 975278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :==elliott
< 1346102191 689797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er.
< 1346102195 384081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian." >wisdom/oerjan
< 1346102198 131933 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1346102203 104318 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think the corresponding swedish word does mean brittle as well
< 1346102207 660093 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-22.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346102214 955926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh, that in norwegian too
< 1346102229 908277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well vaguely anyhow
< 1346102249 392811 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for crispy stuff we'd usually use krispig, not spröd
< 1346102323 775323 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw, I meant that you should add to elliott's file that his name means incorrigible liar in hebrew
< 1346102335 440176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "sprø som selleri" vaguely means something like "mad as a hatter"
< 1346102341 677486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliott
< 1346102344 894475 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things?
< 1346102366 63238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hm i am somewhat loathe to edit zzospeak
< 1346102382 523653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not zzo's peak!
< 1346102397 932093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 did not write my entry.
< 1346102410 815811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he did.
< 1346102433 495075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well then it's a good impression.
< 1346102443 508078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really.
< 1346102450 999086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was Gregor.
< 1346102456 77171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always the argumentative
< 1346102471 857510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "loathe" seems to be only a verb, what am i really thinking of?
< 1346102496 372697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh loath
< 1346102508 853242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even listed under "not to be confused with"
< 1346102550 901532 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there are few things as annoying as realizing that you've needlessly listened to half the enterprise theme without using your ability to skip forward in the video
< 1346102577 722384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about: realizing that you've needlessly listened to three quarters of the enterprise theme without using your ability to skip forward in the video
< 1346102589 613191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or: realizing that you've needlessly listened to seven eighths the enterprise theme without using your ability to skip forward in the video
< 1346102614 679987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's such a good theme, though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO GOOD.
< 1346102624 772083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the enterprise theme?
< 1346102633 545950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad.
< 1346102636 6781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the Jave theme song?
< 1346102690 159686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8OpsPok6iQ
< 1346102694 402557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because :-(
< 1346102700 242797 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know, I have a vague memory of arguing that it was not so bad
< 1346102707 271331 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I take it all back)
< 1346102739 306314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you did, yes.
< 1346102790 106293 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, the theme is not as bad as captain archer
< 1346102915 137433 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346103310 160173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Yonkie
< 1346103313 591948 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yonkie: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1346103315 332510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What should I port 100k lines of C++ to?
< 1346103322 173345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, more like 80-90k lines.)
< 1346103347 484763 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your butt
< 1346103381 667178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: PL/I
< 1346104460 333488 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I may have accidentally tried to change the topic
< 1346104468 919735 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: PHP
< 1346104517 440543 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once again everyone is obsessing over languages
< 1346104529 808067 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that usage of "port" would mean a new platform
< 1346104591 142930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric stop obsessing over languages!!
< 1346104595 761317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The obsession is: I don't want to write any more C++.
< 1346104602 275030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I want to port the code to something else.
< 1346104611 332168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Use an FFI!
< 1346104616 365733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, C++ isn't that bad.
< 1346104616 651526 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a platform port you're after, you want to port it to Symbian 2nd edition
< 1346104622 681028 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it comes with gcc 2.7.2
< 1346104671 157048 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346104757 127622 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: port it to @
< 1346104777 141658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1346104781 622229 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ice-9
< 1346104784 335139 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok.
< 1346104789 661410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i-snine
< 1346104789 807336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome nys
< 1346104792 884441 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1346104798 413113 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've already
< 1346104799 530410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i snine with my little nie
< 1346104800 948938 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rrgh
< 1346104803 705513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WElCOME NYS
< 1346104806 585220 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: WElCOME: not found
< 1346104809 542050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...How do you mistype that?
< 1346104818 304258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: i've already rrgh too
< 1346104824 507088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: carefully
< 1346104824 669172 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1346104840 213357 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whateever
< 1346104870 444054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr
< 1346104870 621309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keel haul ya fer that!
< 1346104881 674960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: whatever?
< 1346104891 851357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whate ever
< 1346104896 959046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whateëver
< 1346104897 105253 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think the unspoken rule is that you provide an alternate welcome text when you do that
< 1346104904 516077 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've already been welcomed twice is what i meant
< 1346104915 104050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It was unspoken until you spoke it. :-(
< 1346104921 34601 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't u remember me
< 1346104922 327596 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric
< 1346104927 739715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the formerly unspoken rule
< 1346104931 72986 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: alas it has become the spoken rule
< 1346104931 219004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am bad at remembering people. :(
< 1346104942 235266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: your nick is too short to remember
< 1346104944 123419 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess i haven't really done anything memorable :3
< 1346104959 880603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although fortunately it means "sneeze" in norwegian
< 1346104970 433444 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sweet
< 1346104975 324586 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in swedish too
< 1346104979 382721 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so cool
< 1346104980 621313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: A spoken unspoken rule.
< 1346104991 847648 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the actual word or the onomatapoeia
< 1346105004 380510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe we'll still be ok as long as no one reads it aloud
< 1346105011 296007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual word
< 1346105024 931946 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is awesome
< 1346105025 813886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the onomatopoeion would be "atsjo"
< 1346105030 530137 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the imperative form of the verb even
< 1346105032 67 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sne̊e̊ze̊
< 1346105059 55497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the noun
< 1346105069 984912 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? that's nysning here
< 1346105078 816487 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sneezing
< 1346105207 188257 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, nyssa is my actual name
< 1346105252 535462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that means anything in norwegian, although it sounds like it could be swedish
< 1346105257 579775 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :one too many s'es or it would've been "to sneeze"
< 1346105297 245482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or actually...
< 1346105434 951724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be the plural of http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nyss , although no one ever uses that.
< 1346105461 215364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor cods
< 1346105471 864382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other than in the set phrase, that is)
< 1346105500 889682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nyss#Etymology_2
< 1346105511 539308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cods have the wrong plural ending
< 1346105542 414404 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that doesn't seem as cute as a sneeze
< 1346105560 881453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll just call you sneezy
< 1346105589 926707 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww :3
< 1346105605 280371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is grumpy, or would that be me
< 1346105629 645049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hey, read that post.
< 1346105644 824235 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: norwegians lack the ability to be anything but cheerful, must be elliott being grumpy
< 1346105650 730274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1346105661 945309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cheerfully swats olsner -----###

< 1346105681 672492 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1346105773 823521 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting swatted with cheerfulness was a weird sensation
< 1346105902 39812 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban shachaf, he's threatening to leave IRC
< 1346105917 91475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bolsner.
< 1346105991 478857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: is he
< 1346105999 84627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Belliott.
< 1346106000 847602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yum yum.
< 1346106036 674901 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: " I should probably leave IRC for a while, really."
< 1346106045 732063 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :uttered just moments ago in another channel
< 1346106068 155937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Remember revenantphx?
< 1346106095 587339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Vaguely?
< 1346106120 405206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Make elliott make me read that post.
< 1346106144 366022 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what post?
< 1346106152 285146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That post.
< 1346106232 996453 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how would you implement a logging system in Haskell that allows you to pull out logs of actions affecting only a given subset of things
< 1346106235 443248 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: am I interested in helping shachaf getting you to convince him to read that post?
< 1346106254 503140 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(analogous to grabbing all commit messages that affect a certain file
< 1346106281 39470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that sounds easy but uninteresting to write
< 1346106287 47793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no
< 1346106302 47824 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what would you use, though? Just a Writer?
< 1346106325 403840 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: apparently I am not interested in helping you
< 1346106330 688116 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346106334 665913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy!
< 1346106337 977003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :either Writer directly, or just a free/prompt monad and handle the actual logging in a backend
< 1346106341 331679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy why hello there
< 1346106341 501920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346106342 262503 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1346106342 408600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1346106344 372558 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :free/prompt monad?
< 1346106349 755213 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey elliott is here !!!
< 1346106354 752041 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasion?
< 1346106364 699829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasion.
< 1346106364 900149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: complaninang :-(
< 1346106371 736917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: free monad and/or prompt monad. (they are basically equivalent)
< 1346106371 883058 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :occaision
< 1346106396 853103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's this called? newtype Stream m a b = Stream { runStream :: m (Either b (a, Stream m a b)) }
< 1346106432 584383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ugly
< 1346106448 56480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no U gly
< 1346106482 757076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you know: Robert Harper posted another post about how laziness is bad!
< 1346106522 121312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1346106585 637341 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also what's your record on nested monads?
< 1346106600 139112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A monad nested... INSIDE ITSELF
< 1346106617 936784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :M O N A D C E oerjan: kick shachaf :'(
< 1346106633 852937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What?
< 1346106641 848592 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how many monads have you nested at once?
< 1346106648 22043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what a "nested monad" is.
< 1346106654 205880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean monad transformers?
< 1346106755 673647 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1346106797 354457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably like 5-6, but deeply-nested monad transformer stacks are a sign of bad design IMO
< 1346106815 805707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even monad transformers themselves are fairly ugly in a few ways, but some use of them tends to be a bit unavoidable.)
< 1346106822 982915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a deeply-nested monad transformer stack...
< 1346106833 44533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd better arrange for it to be a deeply-tested monad transformer stack.
< 1346106843 57891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: kick shachaf :'(
< 1346106876 818830 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well I'm looking at 3 different levels of nestedness
< 1346106877 258391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot kick him, he's stuck in a non-allocating infinite loop
< 1346106893 470807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's non-allocating because there is no actual content
< 1346106897 454279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you might be doing something wrong then ;)
< 1346106905 289974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. :-(
< 1346106907 73005 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok well I'm trying to write scripts for managing Agora state
< 1346106928 12336 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the idea is that the log can be a (things, text) pair
< 1346106941 536247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Have you read GHC code? :-(
< 1346106951 155934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, it's bad.
< 1346106966 100986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: OK. (It probably shouldn't be a tuple.)
< 1346106978 892812 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or some other type which has the same info
< 1346107012 268267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1346107038 859347 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then to make it easier, the 'things' half should be auto-generated based on operations, since some operations might affect multiple things (e.g. sending rubles to change voting limits would be logged both on the assessor and general secretary logs)
< 1346107056 426311 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obvious implementation of this is a Writer backed by a Set
< 1346107079 709929 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a third layer for emails
< 1346107090 30413 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but that layer is less necessary)
< 1346107165 720688 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does this seem sane?
< 1346107197 859069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set isn't even a monad... "Writer (Set a) r" doesn't involve any monad transformers
< 1346107205 578922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, except that Writer is implemented over WriterT over Identity)
< 1346107216 637955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact, even if Set was a monad, that would not be a transformer stack)
< 1346107277 988885 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd have two Writers
< 1346107282 872011 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think I'd need transformers here
< 1346107289 423303 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with Writer there's no difference
< 1346107302 707866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why you need two Writers here, maybe I'm missing something
< 1346107388 728704 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :one to turn actions on things into a set of tags
< 1346107395 397465 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another to create the actual log
< 1346107418 731065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would your transformer stack look like in code?
< 1346107455 755123 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1346107462 959643 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't thought that far in advance :P
< 1346109716 259505 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-52.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346109738 242025 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-253.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1346110007 897181 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps bonghits will fix your monad transformer stack
< 1346110042 937335 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: brilliant
< 1346110044 412794 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1346110046 189450 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a true genius
< 1346110112 206677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps bonghitz will fix your monad transformer stack
< 1346110128 504941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION detects possible meme, still confused

< 1346110552 56092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bong's Greatest Hits
< 1346110566 408628 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :greatest hitz
< 1346110575 621925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :greatezt hitz
< 1346110576 552372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: explain bonghitz to oerjan please
< 1346110600 394192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION >>=

< 1346110603 808242 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think bonghitz can be explained
< 1346110605 851375 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only experienced
< 1346110758 925559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not referring to the meaning of "bong hits" as the meme, it just looked like "perhaps bonghits will" might be a meme
< 1346110795 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah something shows up
< 1346110824 719306 :Nisstyre_!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346110886 627226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find hits but no explanation of the source
< 1346110957 981882 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from jerkcity
< 1346110962 526944 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jerkcity.com/jerkcity490.html [nsfw language]
< 1346111149 242991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1346111228 794352 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx 1138
< 1346111380 739830 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346112322 141365 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346112327 778873 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346112357 14288 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1346112417 781291 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346112422 432954 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346112543 91694 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1346112655 827260 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346112703 758210 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts a new job tomorrow

< 1346112711 280416 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :where??
< 1346112778 893497 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be employee #1 at a startup founded by a bunch of former ksplice people
< 1346112786 873920 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh!
< 1346112794 173994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kentucky fried splice
< 1346112799 129367 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing what, and where geographically? still around boston area?
< 1346112836 415001 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing secret things :) (for now)
< 1346112841 470463 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, boston area
< 1346112849 875617 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will have offices in central square most likely
< 1346112852 70469 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg secret
< 1346112911 143839 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346113015 564134 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: you should go by their offices and take some photos
< 1346113031 797809 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :will do
< 1346113040 983346 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I'm across the ocean right now
< 1346113045 518655 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1346113045 664796 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe next week
< 1346113049 191412 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where what why
< 1346113056 974510 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in italy for family shit
< 1346113060 803260 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :offices are currently being procured
< 1346113066 917161 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some walls need to be knocked down
< 1346113078 56322 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me know if you need to burn any bridges
< 1346113079 783866 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm good at that
< 1346113080 973773 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1346113089 769721 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already offered to take down the walls myself, but noooooo
< 1346113103 42581 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was at the hedge fund in NYC, LimeWire's offices were one floor below us
< 1346113105 908933 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds kinda fun actually
< 1346113108 378638 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a sledgehammer
< 1346113112 715588 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they moved to new offices
< 1346113129 866404 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they had a moving out party which consisted of everyone getting piss drunk, spraypainting the walls, and then hitting them with sledgehammers
< 1346113140 300244 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1346113142 289304 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :o-o;
< 1346113144 581213 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1346113145 519996 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that.. what
< 1346113146 903421 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont even
< 1346113160 450859 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately in the heat of the moment, a distinction between interior walls and structural exterior walls was not observed with the degree of care one might hope for
< 1346113169 439830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahhahaha
< 1346113172 6513 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there were Damages
< 1346113209 287907 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the building collapse
< 1346113211 255789 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1346113214 736166 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1346113223 921363 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just cost someone a bunch of money
< 1346113236 63918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the someone limewire
< 1346113249 482794 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1346113262 714144 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if the expense was collectivized to the Lime Group
< 1346113264 809642 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc had to pay out of pocket
< 1346113271 298212 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he was the one who did the damage
< 1346113274 615787 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1346113275 854736 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :he neglected to include that detail
< 1346113277 841651 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i wasn't even at the party
< 1346113283 358385 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just walked through the wreckage the next day
< 1346113297 616750 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were doing that, I'd have contributed a bit
< 1346113299 967280 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's gonna notice, right?
< 1346113303 842846 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, true
< 1346113313 713786 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were actually there to loot the remaining non-damaged furniture
< 1346113317 909382 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1346113319 264169 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1346113322 159450 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which provided most of the tables and chairs necessary for a 3-person apartment
< 1346113323 812674 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :through the wreckage?
< 1346113333 215377 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh inside you mean
< 1346113335 39501 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend had the presence of mind to rent a U-Haul for this occasion
< 1346113351 567666 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant the wreckage of the exterior wall
< 1346113378 719697 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also left some computers behind, but we weren't sure whether they were technically evidence in an ongoing lawsuit
< 1346113473 248211 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, wouldn't want to do anything illegal
< 1346113479 211076 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you only stole the furniture
< 1346113480 993963 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1346113487 1845 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_<
< 1346113501 995840 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well, petty theft > federal obstruction of justice
< 1346113508 236992 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides we had the tacit approval of the CEO to take the furniture
< 1346113515 447930 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so I was assured >_<
< 1346113641 177202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  yeah well, petty theft > federal obstruction of justice
< 1346113643 834432 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :857)  yeah well, petty theft > federal obstruction of justice
< 1346114077 26671 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346114292 747877 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346114301 97523 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1346114668 789323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Ah, tomorrow?
< 1346114706 518102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Please disregard previous message.)
< 1346115020 750561 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was previous message?
< 1346115052 230341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you asking because you've already disregarded it?
< 1346115206 997463 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1346115210 769459 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'m confuseod
< 1346115302 702290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked if you were starting your new job tomorrow. Then I realized it was a silly question because you just said you did, and I didn't have anything to add.
< 1346115307 911317 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then
< 1346115321 20788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly.
< 1346115728 197027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GUESS WHAT
< 1346115739 820543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't read the post?
< 1346115743 981250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG
< 1346115810 28116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You read the post?
< 1346115818 152657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1346115824 293462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp*
< 1346115833 516559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a grueling, arduous task.
< 1346115845 585167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel such responsible behavior sets a bad precedent for the channel.
< 1346115855 129084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I grit my teeth and and did it!
< 1346115857 340716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have another post for you to read.
< 1346115865 861916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it! I did it! You said I couldn't do it but indeed I did!
< 1346115890 160031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell monqy what's the another post?
< 1346115890 338517 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346115948 181789 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1346115948 352515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 58s ago: what's the another post?
< 1346115957 552806 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott
< 1346115957 778380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346115969 760644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK so, read http://www.impredicative.com/ur/tutorial/tlc.html first. Then read http://blog.ezyang.com/2012/07/polymorphic-variants-in-urweb/.
< 1346115969 906733 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1346115978 167461 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy
< 1346115978 318724 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346115986 622522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just skip to the second one. But the other one is good too.
< 1346115988 638940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can I other order ;(
< 1346115991 676028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1346116457 442445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Are you reading???
< 1346116471 658196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott no :"(
< 1346116471 824177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346116507 627231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-messages
< 1346116507 806477 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared.
< 1346116516 89681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clessages
< 1346116516 296048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages.
< 1346116550 102868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Did you ever read that one?
< 1346116563 161222 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-messages
< 1346116563 332468 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared.
< 1346116572 291646 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the blog thing?
< 1346116580 511574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye
< 1346116581 577617 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read at least the first paragraph
< 1346116587 572009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job monqy
< 1346116589 627355 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wasnt in a reading mood
< 1346116601 932822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did mspell get any furthre btw ..
< 1346116603 354276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*further
< 1346116608 150320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw op me
< 1346116619 696814 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye
< 1346116634 765469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw op me :'(
< 1346116635 904203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: how frtuher
< 1346116646 665064 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1346116655 282579 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i removed both kinds of special abilities!
< 1346116686 972654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grats
< 1346116696 883472 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A854.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1346116699 468026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the symmetry between product and sum types.
< 1346116720 651453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MEAN PRODUCTS AND COPRODUCTS
< 1346116738 486367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you know all monads were covariant??!?!
< 1346116745 316287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"amazing"
< 1346116746 760254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch :: (a -> r, b -> r) -> (a | b) -> r; swotch :: (a -> r | b -> r) -> (a * b) -> r
< 1346116749 333594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes
< 1346116777 132613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch swotch
< 1346116813 103553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch : (a -> r * b -> r) -> (a | b) -> r
< 1346116832 451303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch : (r^a * r^b) -> (a + b) -> r
< 1346116840 808505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :swotch : (r^a + r^b) -> (a * b) -> r
< 1346116948 375953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :r^a * r^b = r^(a+b)
< 1346116980 846096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> r) + (b -> r) = (a*b)^r
< 1346116987 824903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, r^(a*b)
< 1346116989 454562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1346117003 379346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1346117004 788341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :r^a + r^b = r^(a*b)?
< 1346117007 866457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nonsense.
< 1346117019 536258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not =.
< 1346117025 37615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> b isn't a = b.
< 1346117036 392025 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89F98.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346117040 495064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's not nonsenes because r^a + r^b has a bit more information.
< 1346117055 445652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A BIT get it)
< 1346117060 691138 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::')
< 1346117069 528588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/not //
< 1346117073 563800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *is* nonsense because ...
< 1346117087 629896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know the way foldr's type should mirror unfoldr's?
< 1346117097 91781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch and swotch let you get all the information out, right?
< 1346117105 823934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :swotch (Left id), swotch (Right id) are fst and snd...
< 1346117111 792547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess so.
< 1346117127 148819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not polymorphic.
< 1346117133 207911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh?
< 1346117143 234291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no.
< 1346117144 81375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Anyway, if you read that post I linked you'd understand why the sum-product relation is even more cool!
< 1346117153 456672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a continuation of that other post. Except it does sum types instead.
< 1346117156 536302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm saying is that you can't ((a * b) -> r) -> (a -> r | b -> r)
< 1346117164 967897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a one-way thing.
< 1346117180 404424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like you can't (a -> b) -> Either (Not a) b. Or something.
< 1346117194 349542 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'll read the post.......................................
< 1346117201 357028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: NO WAIT
< 1346117207 594400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING
< 1346117221 994337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ur gr8
< 1346117229 368151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ur web
< 1346117244 196370 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346117255 149849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The post also shows you how you can do scrap-your-boilerplate-type things with the system elegantly!
< 1346117260 670167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in "without any ugly deriving (Data) stuff".
< 1346117279 448436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Logitext is "vnev more ocool!!"
< 1346117287 480560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1346117303 734169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://logitext.mit.edu/main
< 1346117306 108878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the future"
< 1346117408 789925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This looks boring.
< 1346117423 90992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :DID YOU PROVE ALL THE PROOFS
< 1346117492 468471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1346117520 622731 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i am a terrible person
< 1346117528 184792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1346117537 36187 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a ... -> x that I want to turn into a ... -> Type x
< 1346117546 340905 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ... can be any arity
< 1346117550 509785 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and clearly TH is the way to go
< 1346117563 363569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok, everyone does shit like that when they start out
< 1346117577 193030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise why it's a bad idea later
< 1346117603 595530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're Oleg.
< 1346117626 223655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oleg doesn't really do things like that
< 1346117658 177710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: should i make a perfect language
< 1346117734 282524 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know why it's a bad idea now
< 1346117738 667709 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not stopping me
< 1346117788 835821 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you what they call a "bad person"
< 1346117800 326872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh no
< 1346117806 257101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you a "bad person" too
< 1346117814 826389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because "it takes one to know one"
< 1346117819 517568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as they say"
< 1346117821 421723 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye
< 1346117825 656603 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346117827 942525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: people think they know why it's a bad idea to start with, too
< 1346117833 652657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make me "a bad person" !
< 1346117838 713399 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye
< 1346117859 512476 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes one to know that it takes one to know one
< 1346117861 209409 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they say
< 1346117918 19568 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott this is a good blog post
< 1346117918 411174 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well then you tell me why i am wrong
< 1346117929 680654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: but being old is so much easier
< 1346117936 13291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i can't tell if you're being serious or not...........................
< 1346117943 707793 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im serious it's good !!
< 1346117946 774092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaey
< 1346117947 680373 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that wrong of me.....
< 1346117963 776206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop
< 1346117970 420116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are sarcastic often and it is had to tell!!
< 1346117980 18850 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89F98.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346118004 846105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: When you say foo.bar in Rust, can bar just be a regular function?
< 1346118026 122618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it a "method of the class of foo" "as they say"
< 1346118027 369765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: but in summary (a) TH in general is bleh for many reasons (some theoretical, most practical) and self-preservation dictates to avoid it wherever possible; (b) you will run into pain whenever you end up writing higher-order functions of some kind with this method; (c) it does not really save you much at all blah blah
< 1346118037 941379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think Rust has "classes" proper?
< 1346118044 793011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh.
< 1346118048 480415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't know Rust.

< 1346118056 934008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How does "for 5.times" work?
< 1346118059 14172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It has ADTs and traits (which are like OOP interfaces).
< 1346118062 901306 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, those are the reasons
< 1346118066 349062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can implement traits for ADTs.
< 1346118069 265121 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am choosing to ignore them because i am stupid
< 1346118091 555114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's OK, you'll do it the proper way when it slows down your compilation times 2x.
< 1346118105 756257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think that's the implementation of a trait for the integer types.
< 1346118120 2151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 5.times is actually implementation_of_times_for_the_relevant_integer_type.times(5).
< 1346118128 617203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1346118132 302192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but still"
< 1346118168 492318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean but still?
< 1346118269 705164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't understand what your question is.
< 1346118284 411878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noq uestion.
< 1346118439 72021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://github.com/mozilla/rust/blob/master/src/libcore/iter.rs#L19, https://github.com/mozilla/rust/blob/master/src/libcore/int-template.rs#L91, https://github.com/mozilla/rust/blob/master/src/libcore/uint-template.rs#L83, which are then instantiated like this: https://github.com/mozilla/rust/blob/master/src/libcore/int-template/i64.rs.
< 1346118456 753709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought there was no question. :-(
< 1346118478 791983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, please mark your URLs in an easy-to-copy way.
< 1346118484 616829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't mix valid punctuation into them. :-(
< 1346118766 667967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Does that answer your non-question?
< 1346118786 958981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also apparently traits are like typeclasses in some way.)
< 1346118793 631557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So I guess they're more powerful than Java interfaces.)
< 1346120439 243190 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346120444 744695 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346121436 152177 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346121441 756024 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346121465 968631 :kinoSi0!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346121493 779534 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346122112 297519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cvttsd2si
< 1346122115 771707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a great instruction name.
< 1346122535 998940 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1346122805 784725 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346122828 747086 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346125124 516597 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, there's this library that's supposed to tell you the distance between a point you give it and the nearest point in the database.
< 1346125141 408291 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, the library breaks.  You can only use it about ten times before it starts giving you numbers that are obviously wrong.
< 1346125150 152837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trial period expired.
< 1346125156 421781 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once, it gave a number that was too high by over a hundred orders of magnitude.
< 1346125159 676217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :INSERT COIN
< 1346125173 92801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong.
< 1346125193 299914 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was wrong by over a hundred orders of magnitude.
< 1346125638 156121 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hundred orders of magnitude isn't cool
< 1346125663 911109 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's cool? a hundred and three orders of magnitude
< 1346126594 743213 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.google.com/search?q=goats+in+trees&tbm=isch
< 1346126775 262185 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346127518 438043 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-22.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346128568 421142 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1346128890 265284 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-22.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1346129725 930744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a open source FPGA, called ZUMA. However, no implementations exist, as far as I know.
< 1346129764 905939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought ZUMA was a game with marbles.
< 1346129797 986632 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.computer.org/portal/web/csdl/doi/10.1109/FCCM.2012.25
< 1346129811 669392 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an FPGA implemented on another FPGA °_°
< 1346129822 231045 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Previous attempts to map an FPGA architecture into a commercial FPGA have had an area penalty of 100x at best. Through careful architectural and implementation choices to exploit low-level elements of the host architecture, ZUMA reduces this penalty to as low as 40x."
< 1346130182 78603 :impomatic!~digital_w@176.18.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1346130249 864151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1346130492 861796 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :progress
< 1346130801 346688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kmc did mosh get any releases in the past ever
< 1346130803 918180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should update my shit
< 1346130833 429138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also does anyone know if that ghc version with type-level strings came out yet
< 1346130834 339709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf?
< 1346130844 401758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAWG
< 1346130858 46287 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latest mosh release is in the topic in #mosh
< 1346130860 885608 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on mosh.mit.edu
< 1346130879 547417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yawg?
< 1346130883 831218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: :(
< 1346130886 303453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My server is running an old version of mosh. :-(
< 1346130889 721439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I need a personal social web 2.0 connection with my software, man!
< 1346130891 976965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means asking you.
< 1346130892 513847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can't file bug reports until I upgrade.
< 1346130895 955023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But upgrading is a hassle!
< 1346130898 745024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HLEP
< 1346130911 987025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't even know what version I have, so ha.
< 1346130935 333185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ mosh --version
< 1346130938 562854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.2.3
< 1346130944 75971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :POINT 4
< 1346130952 725217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on 1.1.94d.
< 1346130960 14029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet that's old.
< 1346130976 616542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently 1.2.2 is the latest release.
< 1346131093 727466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is there a way I can tell g++ and/or clang++ that a macro I have is an assertion macro?
< 1346131108 810895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should it do differently?
< 1346131139 266556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know. Not complain about me assuming what I asserted later on?
< 1346131163 326732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, be smart like that? Can it even do that?
< 1346131172 458650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it happen with #include 's assert()?
< 1346131195 276852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think so?
< 1346131203 238098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be as fancy as assert.h.
< 1346131214 359170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, is there a way to hook into when an assert fails or something?
< 1346131222 926082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my fancy stuff *and* the platform's fancy stuff. :(
< 1346131269 121175 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assert() raises SIGABRT doesn't it?
< 1346131291 936899 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will still kill the process even if you handle SIGABRT
< 1346131310 949442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the big C++ codebases I've used defined their own assert, but I've never noticed anything smart like "telling the compiler about your assumptions".
< 1346131327 961260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some asserts raise SIGTRAP in debug mode. Or do other things.
< 1346131354 663850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder whether SIGTRAP has much of an advantage over SIGABRT.
< 1346131355 394664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some inline asm in the current assert() implementation. :(
< 1346131370 311387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it asm("int3")?
< 1346131376 800653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snippet of the fun: http://sprunge.us/RQcf
< 1346131385 687870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Close enough: #define MyDebugBreak() _asm {int 3}
< 1346131393 520004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're working with Win32 code?
< 1346131403 199527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, whoops. I actually removed IsDebuggerPresent95.
< 1346131421 920425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT before I did,
< 1346131427 277494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: (how do I see a file at a revision in git)
< 1346131430 273649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Without checking it out.)
< 1346131437 321866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :git show?
< 1346131437 520732 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mark your custom abort function as attribute((noreturn)), and/or insert a __builtin_unreachable()
< 1346131442 479794 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then gcc can do clever things
< 1346131459 556212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think unreachable is better than noreturn?
< 1346131463 797973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky source]$ git show 5e814759930bf282ba3b5741643bebe1587557f1 debug.cc
< 1346131463 945546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky source]$ 
< 1346131464 841086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help.
< 1346131474 577326 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :git show commitish:filename
< 1346131486 487380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1346131490 342866 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
< 1346131521 500745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://sprunge.us/FaBg
< 1346131528 632422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc may also click that link. Everyone else is forbidden.
< 1346131537 880999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thx
< 1346131542 388357 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some code
< 1346131543 804246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :on kmcs bhlf
< 1346131562 769238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, this isn't some 90s nonsense, this code is from ~2005-ish.
< 1346131578 129585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, maybe this bit is older. But it's newer than, like, 2000.)
< 1346131585 202466 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it
< 1346131588 17125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crawl?
< 1346131616 43952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's monqy.
< 1346131636 6365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ruopensouce?!!
< 1346131680 197757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy's codebase has some great comments.
< 1346131683 260760 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqypatching
< 1346131684 585108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :// XXX: must fix species abils to not use duration 15
< 1346131684 731304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :// -- ummm ... who wrote this? {dlb}
< 1346131703 665989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The unforgivable faux pas of not signing your todo comments.
< 1346131715 656899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: has this been in git since 2005??
< 1346131738 194642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If by "2005" you mean "2011ish", then yes.
< 1346131751 870950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011 is the year of git on the desktop
< 1346131837 750277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know Windows still exists? :(
< 1346131853 965736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.7.0/gcc/Function-Attributes.html
< 1346131858 681745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc has a lot of fancy attributes
< 1346131938 994783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you want to hear a joke? I know you love jokes.
< 1346131999 479824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh boy, a joke!
< 1346132030 944957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The joke is const correctness.
< 1346132120 482036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you want to hear another joke?
< 1346132150 852368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time's up.
< 1346132154 151318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What about you?
< 1346132171 160630 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye
< 1346132174 229041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Tough.
< 1346132195 356102 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably for the best
< 1346132200 739651 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im eating so if i laughed bad things might happen
< 1346132206 908583 :williannys!~canaima@190.36.54.206 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346132212 70495 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that
< 1346132232 88737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome williannys
< 1346132235 353741 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :williannys: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1346132241 344732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, are you the sneeze person?
< 1346132324 60592 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to sleep, 'night all
< 1346132333 443234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc sleeps?
< 1346132351 834572 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i sleep quite a lot
< 1346132410 636497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird.
< 1346132453 707205 :williannys!~canaima@190.36.54.206 PART :#esoteric
< 1346132758 808602 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so I heard JVM startup time is slow, but this is insane
< 1346134760 403671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disadvantages of existing FPGA architectures includes: * Proprietary nature of hardware. * Requires you to use their software, specific to certain operating systems and certain computers. * Vendor locked. * No dynamic reconfiguration (some have this feature, but again, you need to use their software so you cannot do it with your own software).
< 1346134780 892478 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore you cannot use it to make your own computer system since it can only be used with the computer systems they say it can be used!
< 1346134808 360021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another disadvantage: * They don't sell them for a long enough time. After they sell it, they will be obsolete and you have to buy another one.
< 1346135947 763518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes!
< 1346135963 992348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's the another joke?
< 1346135981 619063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He has, like, a job and stuff now, man.
< 1346135984 478535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He sold out on us!
< 1346136006 72533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's probably going to sleep early because of that!
< 1346136272 827784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346136394 306196 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit
< 1346136455 972752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zzo38
< 1346136460 532381 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is not actually the next version of fungot, much as it may seem.
< 1346136466 354571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot
< 1346136466 601102 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: he looks gay.
< 1346136469 157756 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot cannot be stopped by that sword alone.
< 1346136472 999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: thx
< 1346136472 448939 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what the hell would anyone srvive that the computer, it was dat. oh and apologies in advance for the most beautiful girl i've ever heard of nick pitera on this
< 1346136510 501156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1346136510 926604 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube*
< 1346136514 872684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1346136547 833086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, "of course".
< 1346136566 81861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin
< 1346136566 328214 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy)
< 1346136571 516444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1346136573 610502 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :( i was too glad to accept :) this, in fact, take them away from any spot which itches: monkeys search each other for aid; and as they flit from tree to tree, and what i lay much stress on it, and really great, if we take/ fairest standard :) comparison because, :)/ corals just mentioned, and :)/ other photographs given by dr. o. regnelli,/ illegitimate unions :) dimorphic and trimorphic plants, as described by himsel
< 1346136589 231670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Charles Darwin sure used a lot of smileys.
< 1346136600 690896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was just such a fun guy.
< 1346136624 463907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you a fun guy???????
< 1346136625 348410 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a species may depart from/ type :) both its parents were common peacocks. lastly, i have had some strange proceedings on board/ :( beagle" anchored a few miles, i could see this argument answered.
< 1346137723 582598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it seems like noreturn is the same as normal function call + unreachable
< 1346137735 735145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Other-Builtins.html#index-g_t_005f_005fbuiltin_005funreachable-3286
< 1346137752 570466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh.
< 1346137757 358244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is exit() noreturn?
< 1346137783 750365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I write if (x == 0) exit(1); will the compiler assume that x is != 0 or something?
< 1346137790 483354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it ought to be allowed to assume that for unreachable.
< 1346137901 782454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think exit is noreturn, yes.
< 1346137901 928377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C11 standard prototype for exit is "_Noreturn void exit(int status);"
< 1346137909 40873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in glibc.
< 1346137933 94278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I suspect GHC might insert a __builtin_unreachable() after every call to a noreturn function, implicitly.
< 1346137962 343177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's very clever of GHC.
< 1346137966 186297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc.
< 1346137980 394877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that makes sense.
< 1346137997 59061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean the noreturn comes *after* the return from the function call.
< 1346138010 224280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense.
< 1346138036 581942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The unreachable, you mean? 
< 1346138043 659516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1346138201 507289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/hXUh -- assumptions: it has those.
< 1346138245 369941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, you mean the noreturn comes *after* the return from the function call.
< 1346138246 279233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh?
< 1346138253 970764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:13  The unreachable, you mean? 
< 1346138254 120131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:14  Yes.
< 1346138311 207820 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346138370 839957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a GCC option '-Wsuggest-attribute=noreturn' that will make it add warnings that suggest attribute ((noreturn)) for functions that it thinks don't seem to be returning.
< 1346138381 712691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It can do the same for pure, const, format.)
< 1346138467 824536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/SZXT like that.
< 1346138497 544270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a default?
< 1346138504 51968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you get all the good warnings?
< 1346138523 185342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a default, and it's not enabled by -Wall or -Wextra either.
< 1346138537 593007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though -Wextra does cause a "comparison is always true due to limited range of data type" warning on it.
< 1346138567 636545 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346138613 157090 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.166.14 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346138635 764653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The -Wsuggest-attribute=format can at least have false positives; don't know about the others.
< 1346138696 639002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: There's a clang option to turn on every single warning.
< 1346138698 500224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an experience.
< 1346138712 281866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1346138713 55463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Tue Aug 28 08:26:58
< 1346138715 625369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: tell me to go to sleep
< 1346138728 35208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it called "-Wfucking-all-and-i-mean-it"?
< 1346138750 149182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate IRC faux pas. :-(
< 1346138768 101469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fauxiliary pacification
< 1346138771 285178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fauxiliary-pacification
< 1346138846 629029 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should write some Forth.
< 1346139028 243549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-forthxiliary-pacification
< 1346139051 858440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: -Weverything. Try it on your nearest codebase.
< 1346139054 784634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's depressing :(
< 1346139082 477604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know what it is. I have.
< 1346139095 700979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :)-:
< 1346139100 98212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( )-:
< 1346139105 468193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :)-: :-(
< 1346139107 367393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :)-:-(
< 1346139112 868214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-()-:
< 1346139131 854025 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, I'll have to try that
< 1346139134 379606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. .
< 1346139135 358622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : |
< 1346139136 677034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (
< 1346139142 418390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. .
< 1346139142 880253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : |
< 1346139146 953657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/-\
< 1346139156 461210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :": - )"
< 1346139160 147925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :· .
< 1346139161 553320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : |
< 1346139165 343722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\_/
< 1346139169 304383 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most of "my" code isn't even -Wall clean (in gcc), so it might be ... interesting
< 1346139293 702256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, you just might to find a bug not caught by your thorough set of unit tests.
< 1346139327 450582 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tests? what tests?
< 1346139340 245472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unit ones.
< 1346139352 594939 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re. the clang flag, it's called -Weverything
< 1346139373 298201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: UR LATE
< 1346139376 573209 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: -Weverything. Try it on your nearest codebase.
< 1346139383 140037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case anyone was wondering what the clang flag was: It's -Weverything
< 1346139414 557237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Weevil warns of extreme evil.
< 1346139419 115115 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap, I missed that line
< 1346139424 156102 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but what's the flag called? elliott left
< 1346139439 520967 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just saw the -fauxorth nonsense and that got mixed in it all
< 1346139447 11382 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for the noise
< 1346139639 390291 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346139719 528201 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346139761 994902 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.166.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rebol to be killed off? http://www.rebol.com/article/0510.html :-(
< 1346140125 860910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I installed REBOL once
< 1346140188 702580 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe REBOL will just go open source?
< 1346140195 898173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't be a bad fate, would it?
< 1346140299 263372 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346140312 973581 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1346140395 486046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ANOTHER TEST
< 1346140398 948231 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANOTHER: TEST: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1346140416 599975 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://re-bol.com/rebol.html#section-1
< 1346140445 921209 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I... it's a thing also usable for non-programming tasks?
< 1346140620 927440 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1346140646 899341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME does_it_uppercase_the_nick_too
< 1346140650 372050 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOES_IT_UPPERCASE_THE_NICK_TOO: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.)
< 1346140657 351503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the answer is YES.
< 1346140680 602473 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346140777 112744 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when am I getting greeted :D?
< 1346140884 768319 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME will_it_correctly_uppercase_á
< 1346140888 45178 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WILL_IT_CORRECTLY_UPPERCASE_á: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.)
< 1346140894 384451 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer: no.
< 1346141081 865293 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually not that bad of a greeting
< 1346141091 591893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/WELCOME
< 1346141094 790358 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ welcome "$@" | perl -ne 'print uc($_)'
< 1346141104 305214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome blärg | perl -ne 'BEGIN { binmode STDIN, ":utf8"; } print uc($_)'
< 1346141108 325424 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BL�RG: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.)
< 1346141146 527157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would, though I guess it'd really need an encoding-fallback kind of thing.
< 1346141178 979717 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome blärg | perl -CS -pe '$_=uc($_)'
< 1346141181 842400 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLÄRG: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.)
< 1346141204 414672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run runghc
< 1346141206 351766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a flag.
< 1346141221 717896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -e 'print 1'
< 1346141225 598867 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc: can't find a package database at /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d
< 1346141227 513199 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome blärg | perl -CSL -pe '$_=uc($_)'
< 1346141231 298212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where zalgo
< 1346141231 470908 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Random;main=mapM_((>>(י=<>(י=< zalgo.hs
< 1346141250 429134 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1346141253 94665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: No UTF-8 locale, I guess.
< 1346141259 760833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hello | runhc zalgo.hs
< 1346141262 850211 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: runhc: command not found
< 1346141266 715622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hello | runghc zalgo.hs
< 1346141270 120056 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc: can't find a package database at /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d
< 1346141271 425371 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Evidently not. That'd be the right "fallback" method, I guess, though.
< 1346141273 971210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT!
< 1346141296 211574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who runs HackEgo?
< 1346141301 520345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it you, Gregor?
< 1346141305 839198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is.
< 1346141306 77299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ☝
< 1346141894 794760 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1346141904 795411 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346142102 218501 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"REBOL is a mix of both closed and open source. The kernel of REBOL, which must be kept extremely consistent between hardware platforms and operating systems, is closed. This keeps platform specific variations to a minimum, allowing your programs to run on Windows, Linux, Unix, and other systems without modification. Our consistent, controlled design process also keeps REBOL very small - its core is less than 250KB."
< 1346142103 679251 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF?
< 1346142151 280538 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're saying that they're afraid if people fork it, it will be more annoying to write REBOL code because some must run on the forks?
< 1346142192 131469 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346142267 629150 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22
< 1346142289 298071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1346142624 376765 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how well a REBOLNomic would work
< 1346142816 405706 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1346142901 660869 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 QUIT :Quit: recompiling
< 1346142918 345111 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346143309 440576 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I like REBOL's approach to optional/keyword arguments
< 1346143315 219120 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe
< 1346143492 634470 :lahwran-!lahwran@sonicrules.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346143850 178076 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a test of writing to the clipboard from REBOL
< 1346144157 704056 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am giving this clipboard stuff more credit than it deserves
< 1346144393 740881 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346144842 433200 :kinoSi0!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346145122 228665 :monqy_!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346145407 887846 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1346145408 202395 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1346145408 356001 :Nisstyre_!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1346145408 356143 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1346145426 784243 :monqy_!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net NICK :monqy
< 1346145439 554412 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346145855 175201 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-4.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric
< 1346145956 51521 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346145966 263155 :Nisstyre_!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346147304 620797 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to try print layout [size 400x300]
< 1346147320 931393 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a lot of what I assume is code in the view DSL scrolling by on my screen
< 1346149273 219548 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89F98.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346150948 976579 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346151108 368265 :kinoSi0!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1346151245 851489 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346151393 206089 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346151788 345409 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346151794 28579 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346151960 336698 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 QUIT :Quit: quIRC
< 1346152447 68841 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346152463 551595 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum.map(1/)$scanl1(*)[1..18]
< 1346152465 493497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1.7182818284590455
< 1346152469 231568 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> e
< 1346152470 278162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  e
< 1346152472 509464 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1346152485 614712 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> e :: Double
< 1346152486 611347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Double'
< 1346152486 782711 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred ty...
< 1346152490 904331 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t e
< 1346152491 881329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr
< 1346152827 861518 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp 1 :: Double
< 1346152828 877531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.718281828459045
< 1346152859 731483 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum.map(1/)$scanl1(*)[0..18]
< 1346152861 684058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Infinity
< 1346152869 337551 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why that doesn't work
< 1346152873 281145 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum.map(1/)$scanl1(*)[1..18]
< 1346152875 200257 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1.7182818284590455
< 1346152878 77648 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum.map(1/)$scanl1(*)[1..18]+1
< 1346152879 101821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Num.Num [a])
< 1346152879 256778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `e_1111181' at <...
< 1346152887 934750 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1+$sum.map(1/)$scanl1(*)[1..18]
< 1346152888 922076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `+$'
< 1346152896 76629 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + (sum.map(1/)$scanl1(*)[1..18])
< 1346152897 952313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.7182818284590455
< 1346152902 182827 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp 1
< 1346152903 229080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.718281828459045
< 1346152915 989365 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly more precise!
< 1346152969 496260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last digit is worng. :/
< 1346152973 9867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.71828182845904523536028747135266249775724709369995... it goes.
< 1346152980 941502 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1346152988 328346 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + (sum.map(1/)$scanl1(*)[1..1000])
< 1346152990 288458 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.7182818284590455
< 1346153072 206225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 decimal digits is the rule-of-thumb accuracy for doubles, so that's all you can ask, I suppose.
< 1346153095 675958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd kind-of maybe expect "exp 1" to be the closest possible double to e; I wonder if it is.
< 1346153119 935299 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-144-135.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346153138 823207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + (sum.map((1 :: CReal)/)$scanl1(*)[1..20])
< 1346153140 890526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.7182818284590452353397844906664158861464
< 1346153179 113140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numberwise, that seems to be correct up to 2.7182818284590452353.
< 1346153187 577010 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + (sum.map(1::CReal/)$scanl1(*)[1..100])
< 1346153188 559684 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `)'
< 1346153199 156259 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + (sum.map((1 :: CReal)/)$scanl1(*)[1..100])
< 1346153202 866770 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1346153206 773807 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + (sum.map((1 :: CReal)/)$scanl1(*)[1..50])
< 1346153209 32090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.7182818284590452353602874713526624977572
< 1346153249 141236 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I get CReal from in GHCi?
< 1346153340 452681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says Euler himself only computed it up to 23 decimal digits.
< 1346153399 410182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hayoo says it's in Data.Number.CReal of 'numbers'.
< 1346153401 440298 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-64.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346153410 424249 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1346153429 799166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list
< 1346153430 6164 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS
< 1346153453 471655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has Hoogle, but I suppose it hasn't got a Hayoo.
< 1346153497 75866 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1+sum(map(1/)$scanl1(*)[1..34])::CReal
< 1346153498 193665 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.7182818284590452353602874713526624977572
< 1346153795 135841 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This method approaches e a lot faster than (1 + 1/n) ^ n, it seems
< 1346153820 451783 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1.001 ^ 1000) :: CReal
< 1346153821 589441 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.7169239322358924573830881219475771889643
< 1346153828 876566 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1.0001 ^ 10000) :: CReal
< 1346153830 520740 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.7181459268252248640376646749131465361138
< 1346153836 972110 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1.00001 ^ 100000) :: CReal
< 1346153840 681524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1346154443 951561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let scf [] = 1; scf (a:b) = a + 1/(scf b) in scf . take 10 $ 2 : ([2,4..] >>= (1:).(:[1]))
< 1346154445 843918 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.7182817182817183
< 1346154466 167579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let scf [] = 1; scf (a:b) = a + 1/(scf b) in scf . take 50 $ 2 : ([2,4..] >>= (1:).(:[1]))
< 1346154468 113780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.7182818284590455
< 1346154480 3816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that, too.
< 1346154547 643340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the 2+1/(1+1/(2+1/(1+1/(1+1/(4+1/(1+...)))))) aka [2; 1,2,1, 1,4,1, 1,6,1, ...] expansion.
< 1346154690 42627 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346154691 482557 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let scf [] = 1; scf (a:b) = a + 1/(scf b) in scf . take 50 $ 2 : ([2,4..] >>= (1:).(:[1])) :: CReal
< 1346154693 594327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.7182818284590452353602874713526624977572
< 1346154702 504127 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let scf [] = 1; scf (a:b) = a + 1/(scf b) in scf . take 3 $ 2 : ([2,4..] >>= (1:).(:[1])) :: CReal
< 1346154704 708417 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.75
< 1346154708 593273 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let scf [] = 1; scf (a:b) = a + 1/(scf b) in scf . take 34 $ 2 : ([2,4..] >>= (1:).(:[1])) :: CReal
< 1346154710 781270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.7182818284590452353602874713525970360921
< 1346154716 475955 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let scf [] = 1; scf (a:b) = a + 1/(scf b) in scf . take 36 $ 2 : ([2,4..] >>= (1:).(:[1])) :: CReal
< 1346154718 656618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.7182818284590452353602874713526612384938
< 1346154724 143642 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let scf [] = 1; scf (a:b) = a + 1/(scf b) in scf . take 40 $ 2 : ([2,4..] >>= (1:).(:[1])) :: CReal
< 1346154726 307700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.7182818284590452353602874713526624977495
< 1346154749 759106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The terminating condition of scf might be a bit worng, though, I think optimally it should end up in just ...+1/t instead of the current ...+1/(t+1).
< 1346155145 107055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let scf (a:[]) = a; scf (a:b) = a + 1/(scf b) in scf . take 40 $ 2 : ([2,4..] >>= (1:).(:[1])) :: CReal
< 1346155147 75789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.71828182845904523536028747135266249819
< 1346155925 239897 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-12-202.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346156057 525330 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-64.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: begone
< 1346156273 36213 :lahwran-!lahwran@sonicrules.org NICK :lahwran
< 1346156274 85799 :lahwran!lahwran@sonicrules.org QUIT :Changing host
< 1346156274 232184 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346156807 614884 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran NICK :lahwran-
< 1346156814 209349 :lahwran-!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran NICK :lahwran_
< 1346156818 413227 :lahwran_!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran NICK :lahwran
< 1346158301 194427 :t3cht|!~chatzilla@host86-175-184-16.wlms-broadband.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346158672 597464 :t3cht|_!~chatzilla@host86-175-184-16.wlms-broadband.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346158679 320561 :t3cht|_!~chatzilla@host86-175-184-16.wlms-broadband.com QUIT :Client Quit
< 1346158883 291147 :t3cht|!~chatzilla@host86-175-184-16.wlms-broadband.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1346159131 415175 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1346159136 310161 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346159376 759112 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346159427 820110 :nortti!~juhani@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346159448 254426 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346161030 136206 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1346161136 329814 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346161140 713452 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-64.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346161241 543382 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346163594 173752 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346164015 43953 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346164344 107469 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-52.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1346164345 750902 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-135.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346164630 758302 :nortti_!~logibotti@62-183-153-2.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346165331 306720 :nortti_!~logibotti@62-183-153-2.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346165391 971187 :nortti_!~logibotti@62-183-153-2.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346165503 158162 :nortti_!~logibotti@62-183-153-2.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346166391 980374 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net QUIT :
< 1346166720 6845 :nortti_!~logibotti@62-183-153-2.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346166791 619100 :nortti_!~logibotti@62-183-153-2.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Client Quit
< 1346166981 409216 :nortti_!~logibotti@62-183-153-2.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346167117 243506 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346169802 251412 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346170526 987289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346171481 66783 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346172865 148051 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1346173381 321020 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.166.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... the esolang wiki doesn't like inline references.
< 1346173817 889842 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346174702 991042 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-64.elisa.ee QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346175700 41830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346176121 37329 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1346176235 29215 :nortti_!~logibotti@62-183-153-2.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1346176551 156023 :nortti_!~logibotti@62-183-153-2.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346176945 48023 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346177037 169460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346177089 305162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If ZUMA FPGA was made commercial, I would probably buy it; it eliminates the advantage of existing commercial FPGAs.
< 1346177284 397935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how efficient would be computer using LFSR based instruction pointer with reconfigurable taps?
< 1346178135 47721 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1346178895 443753 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346179090 545012 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a true mad genius idea
< 1346179207 535829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have various other ideas too in the design of a computer microprocessor.
< 1346179872 494708 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346180916 858740 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1346181884 786684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346182670 252293 :Eladith!~eladith@gzrrplox.kortex.jyu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346182708 264362 :nortti-!~juhani@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346183500 551205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: fauxiliary pacification
< 1346183507 812988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fauxiliary is a good word
< 1346183748 389246 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1346183957 201948 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346184427 521116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, noerjan.
< 1346184607 131437 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't we say "fauxiliarification" nowadays?
< 1346184699 136301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, too easy to confuse with floccinaucinihilipilification
< 1346184734 580115 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many words are easy to confuse with floccinaucinihilipilification
< 1346184767 198178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think
< 1346184810 439085 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what exactly does it mean? flow control incinerated and annihilated in a pile of amplifications?
< 1346184893 9715 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I confusing it with floccinerannihilipilification
< 1346184948 481709 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm glad; people used to make acronyms all the time and I couldn't figure them out... everything is so simple now)
< 1346184969 203140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The act or habit of describing or regarding something as unimportant, of having no value or being worthless."
< 1346185058 398059 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1346185097 44044 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1346185108 272075 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you just make up an entry in the wiktionnaire?
< 1346185127 645074 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ten languages
< 1346185132 132010 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-144.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346185171 654527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i work fast.
< 1346185177 465653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also with time travel.
< 1346185185 566686 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346185189 596930 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right
< 1346185257 335876 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as long as you don't forget your jelly doughnuts)
< 1346185301 554738 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-135.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346185324 104914 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did that guy who was implementing Fueue in OCaml get anywhere?
< 1346185381 928320 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's me
< 1346185400 720533 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, since the Queue module was not good enough, I switched to C
< 1346185437 960866 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I try to continue with the ocaml version, accepting the sacrifice of "not checking if the operation can be performed before trying to perform it"
< 1346185444 224909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd probably want a deque
< 1346185453 809987 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which would not match the specifications from the wiki, but whatever)
< 1346185471 224730 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deque, is that already implemented?
< 1346185482 854644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in _some_ languages it is...
< 1346185503 445308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows not regarding ocaml

< 1346185508 654948 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna check again but I don't think I found it in ocaml's standard library
< 1346185517 784922 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :stickle
< 1346185541 353721 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so of course I could have made my own structure but in that case I thought I'd rather make it in C
< 1346185583 705950 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1346185601 995930 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You now know more about Fueue than the language's creator
< 1346185616 544566 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's scary
< 1346185626 589545 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's me
< 1346185636 923109 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki said something about a certain "Taneb"
< 1346185644 218616 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net NICK :Taneb
< 1346185652 701973 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Taneb
< 1346185667 891506 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh
< 1346185668 37976 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also Ngevd
< 1346185682 775071 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're so many people!
< 1346185691 210087 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, only 4.
< 1346185707 808894 :stickle!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1346185710 56412 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard you were also Superman, and an elf
< 1346185727 133924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is he elvis?
< 1346185727 313101 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one of those things is actually true!
< 1346185743 807076 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway yeah the problem was that the wiki page said "it's a queue-based language, and everything happens in the queue"
< 1346185765 387806 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I started making a program in ocaml with the Queue module
< 1346185771 852249 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or whatever a module is called in english)
< 1346185792 486355 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You really need a deque, I'm afraid
< 1346185796 103175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like ocaml isn't even trying to be functional with that module
< 1346185799 360462 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or an immutable queue
< 1346185811 529423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: haskell, Data.Sequence
< 1346185835 52774 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the wikipage told me "if you pop a function, you must first check if the arguments are in the queue, and then perform the operation; if they're not, send the function back to the queue
< 1346185851 407185 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's...
< 1346185856 365809 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the best designed language
< 1346185869 762486 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it quite interesting
< 1346185894 632614 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1346185898 245128 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most languages are imperative and many esolangs use stacks
< 1346185905 615582 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours is a functional queue
< 1346185913 769584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i'm wondering _how_ efficient that transfer function is, if it's really constant time you might be able to use it to get around the lack of peeking
< 1346185921 34958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it says it is)
< 1346185929 589121 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the transfer function?
< 1346185937 179736 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does "stackars" mean the same in norwegian?
< 1346185942 55962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://caml.inria.fr/pub/docs/manual-ocaml/libref/Queue.html last one
< 1346185961 489047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: stakkars is a word, presumably means the same
< 1346185978 462156 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :transfer q1 q2 adds all of q1’s elements at the end of the queue q2, then clears q1. It is equivalent to the sequence iter (fun x -> add x q2) q1; clear q1, but runs in constant time.
< 1346185980 175887 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. stackars språk = language of stacks = poor language?
< 1346185982 290320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"poor" in a non-monetary sense
< 1346186001 305003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh, that wouldn't be used
< 1346186015 120141 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1346186017 897098 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1346186020 302674 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whao*
< 1346186037 953002 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so the transfer function is kind of magical
< 1346186047 445147 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: probably wouldn't ever be used for language of stacks in swedish either, except if you're trying to make a pun
< 1346186075 178575 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :vilka är det mest synd om i skogen? myrstackarna!
< 1346186075 549537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the referent of "stakkars" really needs to be something capable of suffering :P
< 1346186120 466734 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like my eyes stopped after the fold function. or maybe "transfer" sound too much different than what I needed
< 1346186153 190927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually i could imagine it being used about something else in jest
< 1346186162 269465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like food
< 1346186203 43526 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah, so thanks to oerjan I could continue the ocaml program
< 1346186217 942122 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I've started the C one now, and kind of want to finish it first
< 1346186218 789269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i suspect it's not _really_ constant time if you do it repeatedly for concatenation
< 1346186234 630050 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need to do it repeatedly, do I?
< 1346186269 13637 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they say the result is *the same* as the iter/push method, but I guess the reason they included it and why it's constant time is that it actually uses the way Queue is defined
< 1346186271 536596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you might need to do it many times
< 1346186274 362148 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie as some kind of chained list
< 1346186280 683625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1346186301 502487 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well basically it allows me to push_as_if_it_were_a_stack
< 1346186302 285367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the clearing is essential because it uses that structure
< 1346186305 630277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea for computer design is a harvard architecture but with the ability to swap the program memory with the data memory.
< 1346186327 151527 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it pushes it in a new queue
< 1346186343 202284 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since I'm lazy I made the queue a global variable
< 1346186373 3513 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd need to make my interpreter fully-functional by making the queue an argument of the processing function
< 1346186391 282748 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :orifice
< 1346186441 759474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: But if the transfer function is really constant-time, you can just transfer the new queue into the (cleared) global queue.
< 1346186444 663933 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: when I'm finished do you have some example Fueue programs to test it on?
< 1346186458 79003 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point
< 1346186561 509264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few fueue programs
< 1346186573 472799 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1346186581 959350 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which we could porte-manteau
< 1346186596 899681 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a fueueue programs"
< 1346186623 71510 :orifice!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1346186624 361658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think yueue are taking it too far
< 1346186742 973108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are the orifices of a pumpkin anyhow
< 1346186813 142828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There can be registers:  * program address register  * program value register  * primary data memory address register  * primary data memory value register  * secondary data memory address register  * secondary data memory value register  * write enable register  * memory switching register  * arithmetic register  * accumulator  * stack pointer  * LFSR tap register
< 1346186817 148918 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, no I don't, I'm afraid
< 1346186819 453894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wherever the knife goes, I suppose.
< 1346186821 929173 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're pretty hard to write
< 1346186836 827944 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a hello world program would be pretty easy
< 1346186847 113281 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah I had a question though
< 1346186850 569170 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe a copumpkin is made out of the orifices of a pumpkin
< 1346186870 102541 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if the top element is a number, prints the character of matching unicode value"
< 1346186876 78383 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure which implications that has for the copumpkin
< 1346186886 247071 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I really need to do that?
< 1346186890 739469 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, unicode
< 1346186897 940553 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Character set of your choice
< 1346186903 359541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 100
< 1346186904 490807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  'd'
< 1346186946 170739 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I understand ascii
< 1346186980 539682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :göôd
< 1346186985 63386 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from that I figured "then computers evolved and became more powerful, but you don't need to know how the heck they can display japanese and regular a-z at the same time"
< 1346186994 385969 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 1506
< 1346186995 402739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '\1506'
< 1346186997 655073 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1346187003 988486 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascii should be okay?
< 1346187013 428894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague recollection that OCaml wasn't exactly Unicode-friendly either.
< 1346187018 659765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@read "\1506"
< 1346187018 806325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : �
< 1346187046 807954 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well to print the ascii in ocaml I would just do "print_char (char_of_int n)"
< 1346187062 975252 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even "print_char (char n)"
< 1346187087 618880 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever other random name they have for the print_char function
< 1346187094 882392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instructions can then be:  * copy register to register  * wait for multicore synchronization  * multiplexer (as Muxcomp esolang)  * push to stack  * pop from stack
< 1346187119 936870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"val chr : int -> char: Return the character with the given ASCII code. Raise Invalid_argument "Char.chr" if the argument is outside the range 0--255." But what does it do if the argument is in the range 128--255? ASCII doesn't go that far.
< 1346187120 82336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then arrange in checkboard pattern for multi-cores, as described on the esolang list of ideas they have a diagram of such thing
< 1346187151 680303 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm guessing they use the latin-1 extension of ascii
< 1346187163 210059 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1346187164 744657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that page with ocaml utf8 module won't load
< 1346187179 281684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: They could, filthy liars that they are.
< 1346187186 403973 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would have the same effect for me since my terminal doesn't work well with accents and the like
< 1346187239 982098 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, char_of_int, char, Char.chr are the same function...)
< 1346187257 306374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hörriblë.
< 1346187294 665422 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have the reference manual as a pdf and it doesn't have a utf8 module
< 1346187305 750723 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though it may be date a couple years)
< 1346187310 495121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it was the "batteries included" site
< 1346187312 756214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some algorithms can be implemented efficiently using only a few multiplexers.
< 1346187327 945362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which presumably contains more stuff
< 1346187334 997599 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1346187350 593595 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the reference manual would not be the absolute reference?
< 1346187367 280863 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's been lied to

< 1346187375 256483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the absolute reference to Swedish folk art, for example.
< 1346187385 772039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor nonstandard modules that hairy hippies may or may not have written.
< 1346187388 526250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you think about these strange ideas of a computer?
< 1346187397 365314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It would be TYPICAL if that site did not, in fact, contain a "Battery" module.
< 1346187407 494625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: indeed
< 1346187423 459734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe its battery ran out, and that's why it doesn't load
< 1346187449 822895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many battery-operated HTTP servers there are currently publicly available in the global internet network.
< 1346187456 475119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly a few.
< 1346187468 570761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or crank-operated.
< 1346187475 169421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the mechanical sense, not the psychological.
< 1346187486 31829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter there's no shortage of.
< 1346187490 267265 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't forget that guy who's hosting his website on his bicycle-driven personal computer
< 1346187585 197077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiki says that bicycle dynamos produce generally about 3W at 6V; that's certainly enough to run a computer.
< 1346187605 880274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also grateful that the worldwide encyclopedia everyone can edit had this piece of information.
< 1346187623 62816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, it has happened that I went to wikipedia looking for something, and it *wasn't there*.
< 1346187663 235126 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "Hello world" in Fueue is as simple as "72 101 108 108 111 32 (etc.)"
< 1346187666 330251 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is shocked.

< 1346187667 175522 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it?
< 1346187702 502818 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1346187788 911895 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, the wiki page says in the case of a function, "the function and its arguments are popped", but it doesn't say so for a number, so I would be tempted to make it that when the top element is a number, you're stuck in an infinite loop of printing the first character)
< 1346187824 664825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you get a feedback button to tell them you found what you were looking for?
< 1346187865 59812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No. It lacks even such a basic feature.
< 1346187872 398640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't recall what I was looking for any more.)
< 1346187876 396099 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use the discuss page
< 1346187886 333998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i occasionally get such buttons
< 1346187886 599330 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, that sounds mean
< 1346187909 504428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sometimes I get dialog boxes that ask "was this information useful to you?"
< 1346187912 663872 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that certainly would solve the problem "is it Turing-complete"
< 1346187917 200494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on Wikipedia, though.
< 1346187954 680178 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah but what when you're looking for certainly-not-useful stuff? that happens to me all the time
< 1346187960 785422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i have got them on wikipedia
< 1346188025 40184 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: since we're lacking example programs, I could write my first 99 bottles of beer in fueue!
< 1346188031 359693 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck!
< 1346188063 973969 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would probably be slightly more complicated than it sounds though
< 1346188081 182925 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since making a loop uses the full queue
< 1346188100 978030 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no we can use blocks
< 1346188112 718424 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it *should* be easy
< 1346188157 919546 :nortti-!~juhani@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )
< 1346188160 998437 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"until n is 0, make the 'n bottles of beer' stuff, then deblock the end of the song"
< 1346188179 179245 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1346188194 816867 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't Fueue missing an if statement or something?
< 1346188214 953653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1346188254 539731 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can use $ on a block as an if
< 1346188280 95995 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1346188306 930702 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so let's forget I ever said it would be easy
< 1346188387 736177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget what?
< 1346188416 196977 :Eladith!~eladith@gzrrplox.kortex.jyu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346188430 943622 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about a soishbeesy, but I don't remember what it means
< 1346188710 494116 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1346188780 213344 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346189243 687588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this give an infinite loop ):[65):]
< 1346189293 221251 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346189298 851920 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1346189303 675598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: ^
< 1346189315 169762 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: asking us to solve your halting problems for you?
< 1346189348 246577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just trying to write a nontrivial loop in fueue
< 1346189387 297088 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : do you mean 65 or 6 5 ?
< 1346189388 131204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my interpretation is that it should print AAAAAAAAAAAAAAa...
< 1346189393 819966 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though it doesn't change much)
< 1346189395 770684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1346189401 2417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: 65
< 1346189414 109020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that can be an arbitrary string to print
< 1346189438 965698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires that the test for correct argument types works though (for the ( )
< 1346189451 456414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er )
< 1346189465 29174 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I'm concerned, yes, that's an infinite loop
< 1346189496 402221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1346189572 790670 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/rF0xBtBU
< 1346189573 900554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this means that as long as your functions don't take functions as arguments, you get arguments evaluated with enough iterations
< 1346189749 514466 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think the hard part is make a non-infinite loop that deblocks the rest of the program when ended
< 1346189804 570622 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though as Taneb said you could use the $ to emulate an "if this is the last iteration, then deblock the remaining"
< 1346190002 957728 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks the idea behind REBOL's... not sure what to call it is interesting

< 1346190011 85185 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But REBOL seems to be a wasteland of no activity
< 1346190108 198747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<<(  will eventually swallow up 5 values
< 1346190245 78978 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not necessarily the next 5
< 1346190271 175422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1346190379 566626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i sense the argument order of $ is inconvenient
< 1346190406 191628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea is connect the data of one RAM chip to the address of another, to do indirect addressing.
< 1346190448 213982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only command that can trigger when something is a number and produce something which isn't
< 1346190467 153213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the number is squeezed in the middle
< 1346190486 245928 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is rebol related to cobol?
< 1346190508 187871 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, only in the fact that the name is traditionally capitalized.
< 1346190514 792718 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the last three leters.
< 1346190515 579592 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-144-135.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346190536 937750 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that there are 5 letters
< 1346190583 631811 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what about : (dupplicate) and ~ (swap)? they should be helping
< 1346190604 636429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: the problem is that neither of them can be delayed until the arguments are the right type
< 1346190646 857889 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's "a cross-platform data exchange language and a multi-paradigm dynamic programming language"
< 1346190684 249722 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "Although it can be used for [programming], its greatest strength is [other stuff]"
< 1346190702 839996 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the main purpose of blocks is to delay - though you still may have to delay the deblocking or something (but I don't really know what I'm talking about)
< 1346190747 174158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: they ought to be useful for moving larger amounts of information around as well
< 1346190790 111302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by analogy with underload's () blocks
< 1346190936 59705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you can probably do some finer synchronization with nested )[)[ stuff
< 1346190976 691453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can do a delayed : as )[)[)[:]]]  and the like
< 1346191014 676054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i guess follows from what you said
< 1346191213 971001 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have you considered an "ignore" operator?
< 1346191231 775210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb has probably gone to bed
< 1346191237 538888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has that weird habit
< 1346191270 953156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what do you mean by an ignore operator?  maybe we can simulate it
< 1346191271 975940 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would simply send the next value back at the end, not popping it nor evaluating it
< 1346191303 249132 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically would be like (, except you don't need to deblock it afterwards
< 1346191310 356834 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1346191313 824704 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)( works
< 1346191327 266045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent
< 1346191347 156532 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should add that kind of stuff to the wiki
< 1346191405 796756 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1346191423 455360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :$%: n [...]
< 1346191425 444604 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at first I thought "since we have binary + and unary -, we trivially have binary -"
< 1346191447 190837 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not thzt simple
< 1346191474 622531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+-1 works to decrement
< 1346191498 719972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in two steps
< 1346191499 935016 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will work next turn
< 1346191524 804173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn synchronization is probably going to be a big part of programming queue
< 1346191528 728735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fueue
< 1346191540 582371 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+-1n doesn't work, since the n is popped out immediately
< 1346191558 339805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1346191563 111840 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I think I can make it work
< 1346191569 259678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+-1)(
< 1346191573 548690 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1346191578 876377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1346191603 949228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the -1 gets popped then
< 1346191619 222318 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1346191630 326291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)[+-1])(
< 1346191636 779651 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+)[-1])(
< 1346191651 277418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that
< 1346191657 824510 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think yours work
< 1346191675 620376 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get a +-1n at the end of the queue with yours
< 1346191701 482868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we get +-1[n]
< 1346191703 115471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1346191704 229228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How easy could a Muxcomp computer be made from 74xx parts?
< 1346191705 540804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we get +-1)[n]
< 1346191728 101616 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1346191741 175364 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's the same isn't it :)
< 1346191746 891192 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it's not
< 1346191762 594689 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's starting to hate fueue

< 1346191763 424685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it doesn't matter where you put the + since it always waits for all numbers
< 1346191778 144369 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep but the -1 doesn't wait
< 1346191795 624159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but yours and mine do the same thing to it
< 1346191810 844165 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1346191815 552009 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)( takes two turns
< 1346191828 800984 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we should make it ))[[-1]]
< 1346191846 579554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1346191854 909746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+-1+0
< 1346191880 599724 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, -1 pushes the -1 to the end
< 1346191887 932549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+0 only takes one turn
< 1346191889 830777 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was just talking nonsense for the last five minutes
< 1346191913 721764 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll go back to implementing an interpreter and i'll let you master fueue :)
< 1346191956 811093 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about your $%: n [...]  : what is it supposed to do?
< 1346191964 599217 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.166.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know a neat trick to find the highest of two signed integers in assembly? This is what I have http://twitcode.org/show/323/find-the-signed-max-of-ax-bx
< 1346191976 101404 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it evaluates as nn[...]$% and then I guess the n's are popped out
< 1346192015 679723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: oh why did i put the : there...
< 1346192022 771162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right hm
< 1346192034 480611 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaah no I'm wrong once again
< 1346192039 634664 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the : puts the nn back to the end
< 1346192041 558717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea was to get a test on a number while still preserving a copy
< 1346192062 973946 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so [...]$%nn
< 1346192066 281820 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should work
< 1346192090 381588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not quite, the n copy gets printed
< 1346192098 562557 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1346192137 340148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe best to keep the n's blocked until used
< 1346192142 192970 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1346192213 405631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1346192376 570582 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does $ work?
< 1346192388 148525 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, does $0x destroy the x?
< 1346192393 531681 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346192401 201938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd assume so yes
< 1346192407 718352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah he's back
< 1346192408 114152 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus $1x is the proper ignore we were looking for
< 1346192413 666526 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heya atriq
< 1346192426 233013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right that would woek
< 1346192426 474737 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1346192427 666759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*r
< 1346192448 272791 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, does $0x destroy the x?
< 1346192462 26711 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1346192470 667163 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It pushes 0 copies of x
< 1346192479 81000 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ! function is not needed then
< 1346192486 437641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1346192504 167150 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither's :
< 1346192510 181523 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: is $2
< 1346192511 66951 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1346192515 528072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you might want to do !! or something :)
< 1346192539 393959 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! is a nop
< 1346192565 111957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i imagine the first ! is conditionally created
< 1346192809 891070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm oh. $0~ vs. $1~ might be a nice way to do clean branching
< 1346192859 248227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if two blocks follow to be chosen between
< 1346192884 119971 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346192911 675265 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the ~ will be pushed at the back
< 1346192923 184504 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd need to wait for the entire thing to rotate round
< 1346192929 965726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course.
< 1346192944 447517 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's kind of the big issue with fueue but you're the one we're gonna blame)
< 1346192946 91094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't expect to do much in a single round here
< 1346193009 333231 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, the three block functions to go, then numbers, then I'm almost done
< 1346193037 326789 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(almost meaning "hey you forgot the complete rotation input thing")
< 1346193050 808417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1346193079 342295 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my idea is to have the size of the queue be part of the queue structure, and the (recursive) processing function have "time" as an argument
< 1346193112 692819 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with time set to 0 at every "I just did something" and time++ at every "I just sent your value back to the end"
< 1346193145 982096 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a comparison between time and q.size at the beginning of each iteration
< 1346193178 418852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm an interesting question.  is the empty program a nop or a cat :)
< 1346193217 776663 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think cat
< 1346193219 176192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will affect that check
< 1346193236 391341 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I'm sure atriq wouldn't have include the Halt function :p
< 1346193253 60162 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :empty is a cat
< 1346193424 374036 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though your function / effect / before / after might imply that H clears the queue
< 1346193438 315485 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus every program that ends becomes a cat
< 1346193457 829162 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, empty is an infinite loop of cats, right?)
< 1346193628 844001 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a totally unrelated matter, i'm kind of disappointed by how fast and easy it is to describe a new language like fueue, as opposed to how long and boring it is to implement that description
< 1346193671 500409 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that ~english esolang fixes that
< 1346193683 521116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah just use haskell >:)
< 1346193707 820995 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the c program is like an endless succession of "case 'x':" with nested if's
< 1346193747 295975 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should make a program that writes a C program that interprets fueue
< 1346193844 226016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sneezes

< 1346193860 354493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should have known nys and that other guy was an omen
< 1346194147 553368 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You should write a fueue interpreter in fueue
< 1346194163 633812 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1346194188 360045 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1346194198 459572 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so much, actually
< 1346194226 98355 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait yes
< 1346194235 914701 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be pretty easy though
< 1346194282 605773 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1346194290 460783 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm just thinking out loud am I not?
< 1346194336 182423 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and let's forget the soishbeesy again, shall we?)
< 1346194403 936940 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346194724 57682 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1346194737 259842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)$-----0[][...] is a nice way to delay evaluation, i think
< 1346194789 422843 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :empty block
< 1346194790 976556 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet
< 1346194808 220209 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're gonna destroy it anyway
< 1346194811 402332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)$------1[...] will also work if the number of -'s is even
< 1346194834 987270 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1346194839 583471 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :waaaait
< 1346194844 964199 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to ask atriq a question
< 1346194850 833298 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are empty blocks legal
< 1346194858 646202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot imagine why not
< 1346194863 58926 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't be made during the evaluation
< 1346194877 13259 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way to have an empty block is to manually write [] when writing the program
< 1346194912 822976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1346195943 284676 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, program is finished
< 1346195957 196099 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except some parts are comments in english of what that part is supposed to do
< 1346195981 906822 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to sleep, see you
< 1346196022 675561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night
< 1346196048 108984 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also I lied, I haven't done the string fueue program -> queue conversion yet but that should be easy)
< 1346196076 822139 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tomorrow i'll explain why I'm so happy to have found that #esoteric place
< 1346196169 768323 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric
< 1346196304 609728 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346196418 500032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what's terrible?
< 1346196419 742984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell
< 1346196577 474331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok mr. soundandcheateraf
< 1346197319 956173 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't know you played agora
< 1346197367 743705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1346197936 48511 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why don't you leave shachaf
< 1346197960 48693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc
< 1346197973 128479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's $NEW_JOB?
< 1346197976 478202 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun
< 1346197989 812159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is slightly sick.

< 1346197995 906206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to finish the Stripe CTF today!
< 1346197996 345989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's too drawn to the carnage
< 1346198045 261515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Virus spreading on channel, film at 11 | May contain: soy strawberries, chocolate people, vanilla computer programming, natto esoteric, tarragon THX deep note, mutton ecliptic longitude, camomile tea, some CPU locusts, rutabaga nonsensical analogies and theories, hummus matrices of solidity, pudding lovecraftian horrors, and no Ice-9. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.o
< 1346198052 800423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1346198071 46754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoleric tanguages.
< 1346198075 157801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Virus spreading on channel, film at 11 | May contain: soy strawberries, chocolate people, vanilla computer programming, natto esoteric, tarragon THX deep note, mutton ecliptic longitude, some CPU locusts, rutabaga nonsensical analogies and theories, hummus matrices of solidity, pudding lovecraftian horrors, and no Ice-9. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki
< 1346198168 938925 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hope you feelbetter
< 1346198179 554477 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many CTF levels do you have lefT?
< 1346198187 102368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still at the same place I was at before.
< 1346198194 347936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't started level 7 yet. I hear it's fun.
< 1346198204 88216 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is!
< 1346198247 904573 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fun
< 1346198260 153623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Stripe CTF event in SF on Thu!
< 1346198285 571413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you won't be there this time.
< 1346198313 288342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'll bug gdb if I end up being there.
< 1346198319 383435 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1346198329 335285 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think nelhage isn't there yet
< 1346198332 328299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep thinking of him when I see things like https://www.hackerschool.com/blog/5-learning-c-with-gdb
< 1346198334 593645 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had lunch with him today in cambridgema
< 1346198561 888630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the document for ZUMA FPGA, I see no reference to the actual code, nor any date telling when the report was written.
< 1346198750 192978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let test = (-); infixr 0 test in 3 `test` 4 `test` 5
< 1346198751 193648 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `test'
< 1346198763 175890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let test = (-); infixr 0 `test` in 3 `test` 4 `test` 5
< 1346198764 225642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1346198792 920723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so why are there fixity declarations without `` in https://github.com/mgsloan/api-compat/blob/master/examples/template-haskell.api.diff ?
< 1346198819 973707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let test = (-); infixr 0 test in 3 `test` 4 `test` 5
< 1346198831 820324 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ /tmp/runghcXXXX23754.hs:1:26: parse error on input `test'
< 1346198887 151534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Your company should run CTFs!
< 1346199193 275105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that's not actually a haskell file, it's an api printout
< 1346199223 7750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we make HackEgo run Haskell?
< 1346199229 202507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :runghc is installed but broken.
< 1346199264 381029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has worked before, although elliott for some reason refused to let the working command stay...
< 1346199298 945104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which runghc
< 1346199300 172281 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346199301 926883 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/runghc
< 1346199313 858413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's installed globally, and with wrong setup
< 1346199332 900818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -e 'print "test";'
< 1346199336 189506 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc: can't find a package database at /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d
< 1346199406 852125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh which runghc
< 1346199407 439022 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/runghc
< 1346199416 184231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh which ghc
< 1346199416 722764 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/ghc
< 1346199425 804472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -d /usr/lib/ghc*
< 1346199429 175041 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1
< 1346199432 357574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ghc -e 'putStrLn "test";'
< 1346199435 10118 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:1:15: parse error on input `;'
< 1346199447 763381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1346199451 428423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ghc -e 'putStrLn "test"'
< 1346199454 76175 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1346199465 849354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it on HackEgo.
< 1346199510 656789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well only Gregor can fix that installation
< 1346199521 20050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: !
< 1346199527 877609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Slap Gregor for me, would you?
< 1346199537 698963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure that is productive
< 1346199538 452882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean swat.
< 1346199548 963947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, that thing you do.
< 1346199559 17717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap Gregor
< 1346199559 163646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits Gregor with a hammer, so they breaks into a thousand pieces

< 1346199570 871014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They brokes into a thousand pieces!
< 1346199574 521245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counterproductive. :-(
< 1346199582 97045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :toribull
< 1346199641 295691 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I removed ghc because it was friggin' enormous
< 1346199642 674704 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.quora.com/Would-becoming-homeless-be-a-good-strategy-to-cut-costs-1
< 1346199868 962124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: but you left the executables...
< 1346199889 880251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: SOunds like fun.
< 1346199899 614025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try that.
< 1346199913 726053 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "GCC is enormous; rm -rf /usr/lib/*.so"
< 1346199930 84179 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Pretty much.
< 1346199936 179943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That would be a better argument if GHC did dynamic linking.
< 1346199939 546255 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, more like.
< 1346199942 313628 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I had ghc installed to /opt/ghc
< 1346199949 558218 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, y'know, rm -rf /opt/ghc
< 1346199950 432497 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GCC is enormous; rm -rf /usr/include"
< 1346199961 648138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GCC is enormous; rm -rf /"
< 1346199982 592281 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GCC is enormous; play-a-game"
< 1346200000 71236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/games/wump
< 1346200015 665802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play."
< 1346201162 479363 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc is enormous, netcraft confirms it
< 1346201188 163230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is finding it difficult to concentrate on anything. :-(

< 1346201217 116720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for mindless things like telling people in #haskell why they're wrong.
< 1346201236 78423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is another reason to leave.
< 1346201339 664307 :Concreto!~Pina@187.33.253.41 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346201352 656583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Concreto 
< 1346201356 501444 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concreto: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1346201357 895279 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wump the humpus
< 1346201361 286001 :Concreto!~Pina@187.33.253.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thank you
< 1346201368 574644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm actually not doing that.)
< 1346201383 129292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE wumpus
< 1346201387 278596 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WuMpUs: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.)
< 1346201406 917117 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346201435 441204 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346202193 3290 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WelComE
< 1346202195 546342 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: WelComE: not found
< 1346202380 721973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly wonders if one could somehow put `welcome in a case-insensitive directory and get it to work for all combinations

< 1346202442 368252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall something about mounting case-insensitive file systems, or something
< 1346202571 578221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the repository model might get in the way
< 1346202812 235375 :derdon_!~derdon@p5DE89A7E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346202998 743296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quadruple sneeze :(
< 1346203025 54445 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89F98.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1346203601 643924 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1346203635 755353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mörn
< 1346203699 444104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1346203818 436731 :derdon_!~derdon@p5DE89A7E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346204898 543650 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346204906 331811 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen
< 1346204950 289806 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just out of cuoristy could mushcode be consider3ed an Esoteric programming language?
< 1346204973 712079 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/WeLcOmE
< 1346204976 730299 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ welcome $@ | python -c "print (lambda s: ''.join([ (s[i].upper() if i%2==0 else s[i].lower()) for i in range(len(s)) ]))(raw_input())"
< 1346204978 623034 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushcode?
< 1346204999 976468 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eww at not quoting sh variable references
< 1346205006 96201 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir bin/WelCome
< 1346205008 918177 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1346205018 299658 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WelCome
< 1346205021 273588 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bf_textgen
< 1346205021 529283 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: WelCome: not found
< 1346205024 803472 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bf_textgen: not found
< 1346205035 494728 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen Try actually writing something.
< 1346205039 794596 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf_textgen Try actually writing something.
< 1346205054 874262 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo echo
< 1346205058 9736 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo
< 1346205069 717274 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am really tempted to forkbomb ):
< 1346205072 900202 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~bf_textgen Will you go out with me?
< 1346205073 186174 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi
< 1346205088 170271 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :~yi
< 1346205088 319175 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your divination: "Gorge" to "Dispersing"
< 1346205103 758351 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck
< 1346205104 49965 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- ~duck query
< 1346205104 196044 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Query information from Duck Duck Go
< 1346205123 273705 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen Test
< 1346205125 887333 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){ :|:&};
< 1346205128 676735 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1346205136 687136 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it terminated :o
< 1346205158 314987 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait
< 1346205161 901763 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't actually run :
< 1346205170 395389 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){ :|:&};:
< 1346205173 589391 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1346205186 345443 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run exec sh -e ':(){ :|:&};:'
< 1346205189 513913 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: Can't open :(){ :|:&};:
< 1346205199 810439 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There a wiki where one could look up bot commands? for this channel?
< 1346205203 35025 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-c
< 1346205209 396769 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run exec bash -e ':(){ :|:&};:'
< 1346205212 226922 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: :(){ :|:&};:: No such file or directory
< 1346205229 75506 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bash ls
< 1346205231 897316 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ls: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file
< 1346205252 575598 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-c
< 1346205267 483672 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bash -e ls
< 1346205270 152677 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ls: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file
< 1346205275 548834 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-c
< 1346205276 761533 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /bin/ls
< 1346205279 241206 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs
< 1346205304 836389 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat zalgo.hs
< 1346205307 712975 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Random;main=mapM_((>>(י=<:(
< 1346205762 978234 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-144.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1346205778 652459 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :irregardless
< 1346205822 271998 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :My attempted quinebomb doesn't seem to nest
< 1346205866 825230 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail =P
< 1346205928 825161 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can make a pretty cool quine with printf
< 1346206352 78606 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harder than I thought
< 1346206760 744304 :Braber01!~ben@68-188-98-226.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1346206811 526621 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the damn quoting that kills it
< 1346207180 785983 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1346207198 904938 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think of using \47 instead of \"
< 1346207302 61347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Finally looking at level 7.
< 1346207305 7599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :h.update(self.api_secret + message)
< 1346207348 942380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like the thing I was talking about earlier...
< 1346207453 889422 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1346207534 162200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders whether you can do this using just the sha1sum executable.

< 1346207584 833529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an implementation of sha1 lying around, fortunately.
< 1346207596 82995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't working until now, but I found the bug in it!
< 1346207661 546594 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an implementation you wrote?
< 1346207666 214625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1346207671 133170 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool!
< 1346207674 450989 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never done that
< 1346207682 718811 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just downloaded a reference implementation for the CTF level
< 1346207687 907164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty much copying the pseudocode on Wikipedia.
< 1346207693 214384 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346207725 225290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it back when I heard about the Flickr attack, in fact. :-)
< 1346207739 211255 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1346207740 496946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I still have no proper documentation for Ibtlfmm but I have stuff on the IRC and stuff on paper
< 1346207744 586214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slbkbs.org/r.rb.txt
< 1346207746 170220 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't hear about the flickr attack until this CTF
< 1346207795 687195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the time I didn't care enough to find the bug, though. I was using the length in bytes instead of bits.
< 1346207822 164403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders whether adding the length on is necessary.

< 1346207868 611541 :irregardless!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1346208128 972682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, for the guarantees SHA1 gives you.
< 1346208168 201049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess most hash functions people use are built the same way.
< 1346208236 398378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkle%E2%80%93Damg%C3%A5rd_construction doesn't give reasoning for it other than "To harden the hash even further also".
< 1346208245 680024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is LFSR faster than arithmetic in hardware? What if the taps can be reconfigured at runtime?
< 1346208641 364675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346208644 845945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You know C++11, right?
< 1346208678 423942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not really?
< 1346208687 364947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never actually used it.
< 1346208689 850013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read a bit about it.
< 1346208720 580990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should do stripe-ctf.com!
< 1346208725 626190 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION <3 C++11

< 1346208725 811084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roughly 12 hours until they turn it off.
< 1346208742 35639 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only used a few of the new features, but they are nice
< 1346208757 593945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think you need a bit more cleverness than just knowing that you can append arbitrary things.
< 1346208763 557040 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like iteration-based loops
< 1346208774 707430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you know about the "enum class" stuff?
< 1346208799 39193 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i used variadic templates for something too, but i forgot what and it's probably for the best
< 1346208802 444958 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no
< 1346208804 27067 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nelliott
< 1346208812 309941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1346208820 719398 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm really really glad that shared_ptr is in the stdlib now
< 1346208827 542738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about unique_ptr?
< 1346208831 15571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Variadic templates are nice because you can use them to do regular variadic functions, except they don't need any terminating NULLs or anything.
< 1346208834 989080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they don't mangle types up.
< 1346208854 44642 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :change my pitch up / mangle my type up
< 1346209014 225725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1346209222 916776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders whether there's a client bot for level 7 like for the other levels.

< 1346209248 541898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hah.
< 1346209489 425872 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: something like unique_ptr was in C++98 right?
< 1346209503 575424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Was it?
< 1346209512 308161 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually know the difference between auto_ptr and unique_ptr
< 1346209556 595434 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One's got 2 u's.
< 1346209556 741602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Move semantics and all that.
< 1346209650 716178 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346209656 199450 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346209776 189470 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346209795 886413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I can't use curl to make this http request because \0? :-(
< 1346209800 676131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hates it when tools are annoying.

< 1346209859 283095 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl --data-binary @filename
< 1346209880 910136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc++
< 1346209889 536702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're totally giving away the solution here, man.
< 1346209891 1775 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1346209904 778512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the supplied client tool too, to give away alternatives.
< 1346210108 898708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the part where "count=10&lat=37.351&user_id=1&long=-119.827&waffle=eggo" is 440 bits long.
< 1346210161 294480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the part where the secret+that is just a bit over 512 bits long?
< 1346210236 817366 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no good spoofing an eggo waffle
< 1346210241 212916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I forgot about the secret. :-(
< 1346210261 719018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why is spoofing an eggo no good?
< 1346210268 433506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if you add &waffle=liege to the end.
< 1346210271 669715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably shouldn't answer taht.
< 1346210334 580620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if the answer is "wait, right, it doesn't matter"? 
< 1346210335 206152 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that will probably work
< 1346210341 714821 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm remembering wrong
< 1346210348 468955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 448 is the number that matters, anyway, not 512
< 1346210362 344578 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :31337 is the number that matters
< 1346210394 793782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for unique_ptr, arguably the semantics are more ot less the same, it makes the "move" operation explicit as opposed to something that looks like a copy, so you (and more to the point, someone's template algo doing "a = b") doesn't get confused. (And it can free pointers-to-arrays with delete[] as an unrelated improvement.)
< 1346211354 720338 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1346211378 392134 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think possibly new[] / delete[] should not be in C++
< 1346211390 895544 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :either you should use something like std::vector
< 1346211407 969502 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you are implementing such a library yourself, and can deal with allocating a big chunk of memory and using placement new
< 1346211448 747462 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think C++ would be better with a more explicit separation between the high-level applications programming features and the features which exist for implementing the core libraries (which are extensions of C features, largely)
< 1346211540 239859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, got level 7.
< 1346211555 820563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great news: 10 liege waffles will soon be flying your way!
< 1346211606 992348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's trickier to implement this than to "know how it works".
< 1346211642 325696 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1346211647 243490 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me longer than that, for sure
< 1346211662 18182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I already had the Ruby code and basically knew how it worked.
< 1346211715 204725 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your exploit for the flickr thing?
< 1346211718 564508 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: C++ would be much better if they removed features.
< 1346211734 48994 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1346211768 123621 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do think the features in C++ fit together better than in most bad languages
< 1346211775 459917 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are still too many
< 1346211782 612987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's just a regular implementation of SHA1 -- I just wrote it to have a version to fiddle with at the time. But I mean that I was familiar with how the hash and attack work.
< 1346211788 639439 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1346211800 727405 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me a while to figure out the right kind of padding and such
< 1346211806 181427 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bad language designed by people who are actually decent programmers.
< 1346211817 954071 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes it... Nearly unique in that regard, near as I can tell.
< 1346211823 841926 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1346211849 217336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get completely useless error messages when doing something like this. :-)
< 1346211871 656001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have 15 hours to do level 8.
< 1346211885 977280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And sleep. I have hoping to sleep.)
< 1346211887 420905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still finding it hard to concentrate...

< 1346212026 988518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You completed this level in 500560.354 seconds
< 1346212633 317783 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, that's nearly 0.000002 levels per second! You'll lick it in no time.
< 1346212707 622486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Did you know there really is a Haskell report?
< 1346212771 665522 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was just a legend told by salty seamen.
< 1346213994 223681 :TeruFSX!~quassel@174-20-4-203.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346214043 342523 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-144-135.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346214112 458298 :TeruFSX!~quassel@174-20-4-203.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346214135 790660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have composed and written some music on my computer. It has a moment of silence (i.e. a fermata and rest together) somewhere in the middle.
< 1346214445 166788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suspects port-scanning level08-2.stripe-ctf.com is on the wrong track.

< 1346215470 542555 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-144-135.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346216460 656415 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346216466 215129 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346216910 325513 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346217538 211167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know you escape non-BMP characters in JSON by using a surrogate pair?
< 1346217579 884212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does JSON use UTF-16?
< 1346217600 569723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whichever encoding your file is encoded in.
< 1346217626 245305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript apparently does the same thing.
< 1346217642 683899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSON is a subset of JavaScript, though.
< 1346217716 852493 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-194.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1346217722 414132 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-226-42.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346218283 817335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the hex of a file I have created to test how a terminal display backspace and line breaks:  54 65 72 6D 69 6E 61 6C 20 54 65 73 74 65 72 0D 0A 31 32 33 08 34 35 36 7F 37 38 39 0D 0A 31 32 33 0D 34 35 36 0A 37 38 39 0D 0A 3F 0D 0A
< 1346218658 701288 :evincar!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346219114 638339 :evincar!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1346219145 299680 :jon__!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346219205 888903 :jon__!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net PART :#esoteric
< 1346219332 112288 :evincar!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346219483 441814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does LLVM have anything to deal if the target's bytes are not 8 bits long?
< 1346219533 468116 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-226-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a developer's middle finger is all.
< 1346219621 502781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would suggest to add a "B" specification to the target layout specification, with a default value of eight, used to specify the number of bits in a byte.
< 1346219641 985584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if your target is a ternary computer?
< 1346219689 71916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you have to emulate binary like C does, I suppose, or you have to use ternary LLVM instead of the normal LLVM.
< 1346220551 875653 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1346221020 426182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The LLVM IRC they refused to answer my questions.
< 1346221806 892448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can do-notation be used with monads on any Cartesian closed category?
< 1346221874 489630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is there in LLVM that expects 8-bit bytes? Couldn't a CHAR_BIT == 16 system just have something like "i1:16:16 i8:16:16 i16:16:16 i32:32:32 ... n16:32" and then clang (or whatever C frontend there is) should just make 'char' generate i16's? (Disclaimer: I don't know much at all about LLVM internals.)
< 1346222070 734180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't really know, but it seems in many places it expects 8-bits; one thing is it requires stack alignments to be a multiple of eight bits, and pointer arithmetic might not work properly, it has no void* and requires i8* in its place, etc
< 1346222090 513581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose there's something, since I see people interested in having a LLVM DCPU-16 backend complain about it.
< 1346222261 268815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see someone's done some sort of work for a CHAR_BIT == 24 DSP system, including a "StorageUnitSize" in TargetData and fixing clang/llvm pointer arithmetic to use that, but it doesn't seem to be public work.
< 1346222394 595826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also a lot of other things I wanted for LLVM but seem they don't have, such as metadata for specifying penalties for optimization.
< 1346222559 713115 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.166.14 QUIT :Quit: impomatic
< 1346222653 894611 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346223057 245390 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346223389 540041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if a category can have more than one way of cartesian closed?
< 1346223462 114792 :Concreto!~Pina@187.33.253.41 QUIT :Quit: Leaving...
< 1346225770 853572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are requests to level08 supposed to take a two-digit number of seconds to complete?
< 1346225780 357100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it that everyone is doing what I'm doing? :-)
< 1346226645 204543 :evincar!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net PART :#esoteric
< 1346226702 355920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: When I was doing it, sometimes single requests took quite a long time (not two-digit numbers usually, though), but sending multiple using the same connection usually got the whole pile done in a short time.
< 1346226800 473125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: When I was doing it, sometimes single requests took quite a long time (not two-digit numbers usually, though), but sending multiple using the same connection usually got the whole pile done in a short time. Maybe they're all as slow.)
< 1346226869 931049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What.
< 1346226882 402154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what I was saying.
< 1346226902 569860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you haven't done too much work, you can always reset and hope you end up on a less busy box. (Didn't try that. Maybe they're all as slow.)
< 1346226907 355708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was.
< 1346226918 908009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is hard.
< 1346227081 829968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, sometimes there were bursts of a lot of activity. (Maybe people attempting something timing-related despite the hint?)
< 1346227123 995965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or just impatient people, I guess.)
< 1346227136 887197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's that they've all waited until the last day, like me.
< 1346227254 262456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be. I did get half-a-minute delays every now and then, but for the most part it was something like two seconds per request.
< 1346227914 412993 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1346228040 874680 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346228068 33503 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346228191 449041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346228567 923978 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1346228830 474445 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346228835 391291 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1346229040 598756 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1346229046 146526 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found out about WebGoat
< 1346229056 559528 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it generally a better thing to work through than HackThisSite?
< 1346229561 321198 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346229561 506123 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1346230055 210119 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346230224 58040 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346230254 395897 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1346230446 216553 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1346230611 968497 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346230749 829983 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1346230852 463466 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346230879 548755 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346231094 239574 :lahwran-!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346231098 512969 :lahwran-!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1346231928 456866 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346233403 248388 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1346233465 277365 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346233492 554392 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1346233496 941083 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346233500 992716 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got to disable that
< 1346233506 436620 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what annoys me?
< 1346233528 486377 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facebook pages that are supposedly for the north-east of England but advertise events in Leeds
< 1346233597 451479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Getting a lot of false positives...
< 1346233649 899872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I'm doing something wrong. Presumably I can do a few passes to get it cleared out.
< 1346233726 285764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders whether there's more than one technique for doing this.

< 1346233736 806582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't a place I normally think of as leaking information.
< 1346233755 435238 :lahwran-!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346233755 581531 :lahwran-!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1346233936 433523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did get much better when I rewrote the code to reuse an HTTP connection.
< 1346233937 151412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I got about 10% to 2% (a rough guess) false positives depending (presumably) on how much other stuff was happening, at least when doing... uh, I don't know how much in detail I can go before it's too spoilery.
< 1346233948 989496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, yes, that was what I was going to say after the ...
< 1346233956 67480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You already said that, though.
< 1346233969 709651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but not as directly. Just that it improved the response time. :p
< 1346233983 984055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I think I'm getting ~1/3 false positives.
< 1346233990 188916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which will mean running this a bunch of time.
< 1346233993 451729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still on the first pass.

< 1346234035 997037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were periods of time when I got close to 1 false positives for half an hour or so. It's possible you've just picked a lot busier time than I.
< 1346234048 387246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible.
< 1346234057 770253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *is* ending in 9 hours, after all.
< 1346234075 50527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :828, 300 false positives.
< 1346234086 483559 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you are talking about
< 1346234093 64608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: stripe-ctf.com
< 1346234099 221891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you can finish it in 9 hours!
< 1346234145 402537 :lahwran-!lahwran@sonicrules.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346234145 586004 :lahwran-!lahwran@sonicrules.org QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1346234186 432086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why it gets false positives.
< 1346234204 550402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 3 1000
< 1346234205 584844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  6.287709822868153
< 1346234217 301537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not too many passes if you get the set cut to 1/3 every time.
< 1346234232 247564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it could be because the REDACTEDs are already used, but that's kind of strange.
< 1346234243 556782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION didn't even know they were sequential.

< 1346234391 219201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The process for selecting the REDACTED works so that there's a single global consecutive counter, and then a hash function computed out of the... other things of the target thing except the REDACTED, and a crypto-safe fixed random bit. So you get unpredictable values for things going towards different things, but for a single thing they're sequential; and you get this without having ...
< 1346234397 586781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... to keep multiple incrementing counters.
< 1346234411 654819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So you get false positives when the counter gets incremented due to unrelated things happening.)
< 1346234431 953217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders whether the REDACTIONs mean anything at this point.

< 1346234443 384578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a RFC about best-practice in selecting the REDACTED, and it has a summary of how different operating systems do it.)
< 1346234446 412190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. :p
< 1346234476 97886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that means we have the same solution.
< 1346234519 538277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime
< 1346234522 487964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for shachaf is Wed Aug 29 03:01:59 2012
< 1346234527 394155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be a while before I get to sleep... :-(
< 1346234532 718332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not good for my health.
< 1346234589 303236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The... last round of the whole thing goes quite a bit faster, since you don't have to care about potential false positives.
< 1346234599 521296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, wait a moment, that means I can parallelize it?
< 1346234614 986084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I use a second REDACTED on a second REDACTED?
< 1346234632 219143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not, I guess, if there's a global counter.
< 1346234739 535569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... suppose you could, theoretically, if you kept the attempts in sync and looked at the largest difference, but it sounds a bit complicated, and of course a single false-positive would then ruin both (or all) the simultaneous parallel attempts.
< 1346234793 191599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, doing pass 3 of round 1.
< 1346234807 357297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION could have automated this a lot more.

< 1346234860 341653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't automate my thing a whole lot, there was a lot of manual clickery and number-copying involved. On the other hand, I did have time to waste, too.
< 1346234874 152149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a rather manual approach to the previous CTF's somewhat-similar thing too.
< 1346234905 206419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that I only had a thing to do a single round, and then tweaked that to do more.
< 1346234921 510404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it had quite a long flag too, longer than this.
< 1346234926 562689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1346234936 519114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a half-shell half-C thing.
< 1346234957 622082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you have a deterministic or non-deterministic solution for that one?
< 1346234992 389730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deterministic, based on an almost-filled pipe that blocked at just the right '.'-write.
< 1346234998 57729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was mine also.
< 1346235013 522106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc used timing but he says that was pretty tricky.
< 1346235026 661794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people used rlimits.
< 1346235063 878443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen that people have put solution-tutorials online, but haven't bothered comparing mine with them.
< 1346235094 431652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to the Stripe-meetup-thing about it.
< 1346235107 525638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would've been a bit far from here.
< 1346235148 590104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc went, and he lives >4000km away!
< 1346235165 288923 :lahwran|!lahwran@sonicrules.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346235289 477974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this is strange.
< 1346235316 680439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting 3 for X, 2 for Y, and a weird number for Z.
< 1346235337 236520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z is consistently getting strange numbers and X is consistently getting 3.
< 1346235362 190361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kinda weird; I didn't see any particular Z's.
< 1346235378 417017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, never mind.
< 1346235388 226441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because I was consistently testing Z after X.
< 1346235469 898380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, time to add a little bit of autoamtion.
< 1346235481 31532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran my tests by sending each number twice, and looking only at the diff of those two, which is I guess a bit subtimal in terms of the total number of requests. (But it's asymptotically the same, so who cares, right?)
< 1346235550 129693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this hour of night, even I care about constant factors.
< 1346235820 487539 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED
< 1346236484 36899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I totally agree.
< 1346237231 319848 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346237486 469047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird, I'm getting a Z again.
< 1346237502 84968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there we go.
< 1346237554 346568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Round 3.
< 1346238332 393444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Round 3... Fight!" 
< 1346238361 929617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's amazing how much difference a tiny bit of automation makes.
< 1346238500 775518 :astronick!~astronick@123-243-124-128.static.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346238741 230585 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346238829 700120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Perhaps the lock thing would make it unparallelizable anyway.
< 1346240922 354764 :astronick!~astronick@123-243-124-128.static.tpgi.com.au PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1346240946 434307 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-133.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346241065 815973 :Concreto!~Pina@187.33.253.41 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346241427 44205 :Concreto!~Pina@187.33.253.41 QUIT :Quit: Leaving...
< 1346241491 154839 :Concreto!~Pina@187.33.253.41 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346241582 616060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346241800 570715 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I think the interpreter is working now
< 1346241807 626290 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brilliant!
< 1346241818 338613 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we just need to write some programs, heh
< 1346241822 288069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes a lot of misspelling of !bf_txtgen in the logs

< 1346241822 434161 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I haven't tested it yet so there probably are some errors in it
< 1346241886 453859 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's test it on an empty program first
< 1346241944 169489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's noerjan wonder, since the Java class is called "textgen".
< 1346241955 552489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1346241975 714047 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouuuuuuh
< 1346241991 516361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: bf_TEXGUN Hello, wodlr!
< 1346241992 365112 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: k., letter to. on submerged reefs. areas :) subsidence and :) elevation. in descending from/ mountains :) borneo.
< 1346241992 986247 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :empty fueue: input a character, then segmentation fault
< 1346242002 791868 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :half the work already :p
< 1346242005 871014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: promising
< 1346242015 582635 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it didn't output it though)
< 1346242078 256891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly realizes efficient fueue probably needs garbage collection of some kind

< 1346242104 266469 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard a lot about garbage collection since I joined this channel, but I still have no idea of what it could mean
< 1346242114 434597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE DOOMED
< 1346242161 345270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means that data structures get automatically freed when no longer referred to.  automatic in ocaml, quite awkward in C.
< 1346242165 107573 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what garbage there would be to collect. It's a queue that slides about
< 1346242179 972936 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WILL TRAVERSE YOUR MEMORY
< 1346242189 211957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: : copies things. you can construct blocks on the fly.
< 1346242205 947723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so blocks, basically.
< 1346242210 120844 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, well, now that you mention it, I probably didn't bother to empty the queue after meting the "halt" function
< 1346242240 659722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...garbage collection isn't necessary when halting, the os frees your memory anyhow.
< 1346242269 178645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's necessary for long-running programs that create a lot of temporary structures
< 1346242291 1953 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I'm glad the os has been here to stop the computer from crashing since I started programming
< 1346242308 843704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a disk-eating hard crash is how you learn! 
< 1346242323 514467 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it didn't completely stop the rm -Rf / I tried once, though)
< 1346242342 536842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1346242366 570184 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?! I was thinking "no way I can destroy everything that easily"
< 1346242382 782263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you learned.
< 1346242392 181456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.
< 1346242403 814110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i think there's a failsafe on / i particular nowadays.
< 1346242409 581248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in
< 1346242416 989042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Better try it out to be sure.
< 1346242425 560245 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the computer still works well
< 1346242439 363655 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and half the things that were on it still are
< 1346242451 638900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(man rm: --no-preserve-root: do not treat `/' specially / --preserve-root: do not remove `/' (default).)
< 1346242483 485663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fortunately i don't have root access on my linux account.
< 1346242506 930852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could as easily convince a person willing to rm -rf / to add a --no-preserve-root option too.
< 1346242509 452487 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the computer has been designed to be operated by a human
< 1346242532 531478 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it's very mean from you to have mentionned that --no-preserve-root option in front of me)
< 1346242603 471344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GNU rm refuses to execute rm -rf / if the --preserve-root option is given, which has been the default since version 6.4 of GNU Core Utilities was released in 2006."
< 1346242607 93314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not so old.
< 1346242632 573776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got a system-wide default alias of rm to "rm -i" here at work.
< 1346242697 246230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the prototypical absent-minded professors were deleting their important files all the time.
< 1346242715 717134 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346242770 861257 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about rm -rf /*
< 1346242771 376003 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1346242808 463333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: then you're on your on.
< 1346242820 138281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly sulking in the corner.
< 1346242954 317566 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346243044 797249 :lahwran|!lahwran@sonicrules.org NICK :lahwran
< 1346243045 929525 :lahwran!lahwran@sonicrules.org QUIT :Changing host
< 1346243046 75724 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346243587 357578 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-133.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1346244096 668082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably not special-cased, no. Especially since the rm will only see the actual files in /.
< 1346244151 703873 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION delivers some cake to the sad sulking corner.

< 1346244188 344738 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the postman's protocol is just to leave the cake at the location regardless of whether noone is there
< 1346244257 682313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i foresee some even sadder sulking when someone finds a moldy cake.
< 1346244278 304328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nah, there are people there all the time)
< 1346244402 441289 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cake also contains an address where another cake can be found
< 1346244422 381610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cake*, then.
< 1346244450 505523 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's {cake, cake*}
< 1346244464 267515 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh
< 1346244466 709432 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean
< 1346244477 301063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if cake is {cake, cake*}, that's very confusing.
< 1346244480 904704 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's cakebox{cake, cakebox*}
< 1346244488 821839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds reasonable.
< 1346244495 417852 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1346244531 468659 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my notation is not a real notation
< 1346244571 859077 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, is it
< 1346244603 136192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF
< 1346244604 581116 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[Hot] How to tweet from Rebol in One line (using Twitter API)!"
< 1346244625 46710 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which amounts to using a line of code to set up some script that the person who wrote that wrote)
< 1346244633 539292 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then tweet "Hello World!"
< 1346244641 730679 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... kind of lame
< 1346244884 272363 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaurgh. pentadactyl not compatible with firefox 15. *grmbl* *rant* *not happy*
< 1346245092 242577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't really seem to be gaining on Chrome all that much. They're at 15, Chrome is at 21. A year ago, they were at 6, and Chrome was 13.
< 1346245096 837149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I suppose it's progress.
< 1346245169 302472 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when Firefox wants to redo everything and break compatibility with stuff?
< 1346245380 626955 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeaaaaaaah
< 1346245390 582040 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: it works
< 1346245395 128407 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with program hello world
< 1346245397 781033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, FF's "Show PDF inline" is targeting FF16. That's soon.
< 1346245404 305701 :Concreto!~Pina@187.33.253.41 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346245435 468371 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the program is 72 blablablaasciihelloworld 100 H
< 1346245444 682054 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the output is: Hello worldAbort trap
< 1346245705 306229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now try ):[72 blablablaasciihelloworld 100 10 ):]
< 1346245818 576872 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works properly now
< 1346245824 506719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All Fueue problems seem so sad.
< 1346245837 911792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :):
< 1346245847 934239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programs, not problems.
< 1346245850 990740 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was just an (obvious) error in the "deletetop" function so the numbers were not really deleted
< 1346245907 324954 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however there should still be a bug with the input (apparently using scanf is bad, so I used fgets instead, but apparently there is still a problem, so I'll try something else)
< 1346245938 964096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a getc()
< 1346245978 339146 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for my defense, this is my first program in c for years)
< 1346246000 800991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it getchar()
< 1346246043 498963 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both exist and are in the same man entry apparently
< 1346246047 479943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm fueue has no EOF detection
< 1346246077 66865 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eof ? it has 'H' and it has infinite cat loop on empty queue
< 1346246098 620515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about EOF in the _input_
< 1346246116 849387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot do anything useful after the input has ended
< 1346246129 642270 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so?
< 1346246157 184133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...there is no character to read, so the program either halts or loops indefinitely
< 1346246170 10557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you could read -1
< 1346246186 251571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which those C functions do, iirc
< 1346246231 747624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well that may not be quite portable.
< 1346246327 504032 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you mean... is this what happens if the user enters an eof character?
< 1346246397 823432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it's what happens if stdin ends.  it could be piped from a file.
< 1346246413 237919 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok
< 1346246441 861490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the user might push ^D on start of line, in most unix-like terminals
< 1346246480 650662 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the only reason why I would push ^D is if I want the execution to brutally end
< 1346246489 946916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's ^C
< 1346246501 889064 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I usually try both)
< 1346246533 198857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^D ends the input (on start of line).  afaik it has no effect if input isn't being read
< 1346246546 631224 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that would explain a lot of things
< 1346246620 213382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this is in the usual terminal mode.  editors and such will probably choose a mode that they can handle it themselves.
< 1346246690 175951 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, getchar seems to be working
< 1346246709 73325 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if I try it on the empty queue
< 1346246725 339720 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it waits for me to input a line
< 1346246726 592053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems pushing ^D _twice_ works even if not on start of line.
< 1346246769 855967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: the waiting for a whole line is part of the input buffering btw, which can be set separately.
< 1346246770 802855 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I input "A" and press enter, it ouputs the A, then it inputs the \n, outputs the \n, and then only wait for a new input
< 1346246786 628279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the usual setting for terminal input
< 1346246814 228857 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so I can input future characters
< 1346246823 366026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1346246833 764454 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if I run the program on the empty queue
< 1346246843 564550 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an infinite cat loop, right?
< 1346246864 658445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we agreed on that yeah
< 1346246880 57674 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I use getchar() to get the input, it waits for me to input something
< 1346246888 774217 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can input a whole line
< 1346246896 820387 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't wait for me until the whole line has been read
< 1346246916 53276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep.  i'm just saying that's not specific to getchar().
< 1346246938 247375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: EOF is only guaranteed to be negative, not exactly -1, at least by C.
< 1346246946 827823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 is what it usually is, though.
< 1346246952 353281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i thought something like that
< 1346246976 742492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i was wondering if it could also be positive larger than max char
< 1346246978 57901 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so should I just replace getchar by a function that calls getchar, then clears the input buffer?
< 1346247001 780862 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the record if my input is "ABC^D" it only reads ABC before waiting for me)
< 1346247002 796912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this thing was in OCaml, not C.
< 1346247007 957732 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so the ^D isn't read at all)
< 1346247008 518680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: no, then you lose the rest of the line!
< 1346247023 316312 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the idea
< 1346247048 429152 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise when I type "A\n" the next character will always be \n
< 1346247060 101164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it should be.
< 1346247060 508774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: but that's not the behavior most would expect.  if someone pipes a file into your program, it should print all of the file
< 1346247069 267441 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay
< 1346247165 592509 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uho
< 1346247166 266331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: ^D not on the start of line seems to cause just that much to be read yes.
< 1346247182 660030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pushing it once more then ends input
< 1346247196 908475 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for whatever reason I recompiled the file and tried again and ^D not on the start of line makes an infinite loop of "printing question mark"
< 1346247208 689144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1346247241 932517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: EOF is returned also by fscanf, which might legally be larger than UCHAR_MAX.
< 1346247262 88305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok
< 1346247275 186425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: hm that's curious
< 1346247284 348672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though I'd hate to see a program with more than 255 elements in a scanf format string.)
< 1346247307 843957 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: one moment ago my program contained a lot of printf functions which were only there to tell me what was happening, so that I know when errors occurred
< 1346247324 676060 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it worked fine, I removed them all, recompiled, and tried again
< 1346247330 32133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1346247333 926587 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it had that odd behaviour
< 1346247406 960038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If the "read character" Fueue 'operation' returns -1 for EOF, then the empty-program cat will in fact print an infinite amount of -1's after the actual contents.
< 1346247409 113693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: you might want to do a fflush(stdout) before the getchar()
< 1346247410 484087 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, let'ss write a "string fueue program to queue" function now so that the interpreter can be truly useful
< 1346247425 646212 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, ok
< 1346247430 199211 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why though
< 1346247439 477654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if that's related, but it shouldn't hurt
< 1346247462 275706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fflush might be nice for all those Fueue programs that print a prompt like "> " and then wait for input.
< 1346247476 418719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1346247500 169334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tends to make interactive programs behave better
< 1346247503 628978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But an infinite loop of printing ? sounds like the expected behaviour.
< 1346247526 241565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh if it reaches EOF, right
< 1346247529 735451 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infinite ? is still there
< 1346247546 603964 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny thing is, if I write "H^D"
< 1346247547 854167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: yeah that's probably because reading EOF turns into that
< 1346247550 396953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If you don't provide an infinite amount of input, it will, eventually.
< 1346247568 455939 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually writes "HHD" (the second H must be the output from the program, but the ^has disappeared)
< 1346247622 675822 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, before I removed all the error printf, I could use ^D as a way to end the input without an extra \n
< 1346247622 858149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: oh right.  that's probably an artifact of how ^D works - it doesn't actually move the cursor
< 1346247649 292653 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the first ^D just writes that D on the screen
< 1346247650 589772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: you still can, just press it twice
< 1346247669 897148 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but when I do, it launches the infinite ?
< 1346247681 611803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first ^D will also get your input to the program, as shown by the fact that it printed the H.
< 1346247690 220834 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're right
< 1346247697 297697 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works fine then
< 1346247715 32386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should ask atriq what he wants to happen when EOF is read
< 1346247734 821393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Fueue cat that properly halts on EOF (assuming EOF = read -1) sounds like a nice little exercise for you folks, too.
< 1346247735 775792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: WHAT DO YOU WANT TO HAPPEN IN FUEUE WHEN EOF IS READ
< 1346247746 135641 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementation dependant!
< 1346247751 711607 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly 0!
< 1346247772 365003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you can't distinguish between '\0' and EOF! 
< 1346247792 403932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: um -1 _is_ more useful i think.
< 1346247834 482330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although neither allows the empty program to be a properly ending cat
< 1346247836 115581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or '\1' and EOF, if that was in fact 0!!
< 1346247852 161763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be too much to ask for, though
< 1346247887 1 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably -1, then
< 1346247904 552986 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never really thought about EOF
< 1346247909 285666 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any of my esolangs
< 1346247944 902009 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be because they're esolangs
< 1346247960 145502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And esolangs NEVER END.
< 1346247972 408052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'struth
< 1346247984 921203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stretches into the distance like a 30-minute Kraftwerk song.
< 1346247989 244394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A quote.)
< 1346248135 328663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how in the world would one handle keeping a fueue program doing nothing for one round, and then managing to handle a character read afterwards...
< 1346248158 788173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_without_ destroying the character immediately.
< 1346248210 580266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that's actually possible.
< 1346248261 463107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be a problem.
< 1346248327 784760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i see a very roundabout possibility... it requires copying a block as many times as the character read
< 1346248386 289851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather inefficient, mind you.
< 1346248477 296345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it probably cannot handle a negative EOF representation.
< 1346248557 447246 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could add something first
< 1346248608 195449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see a way to add something that can be kept stable for the "doing nothing for one round" part
< 1346248635 429658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, if + 1 doesn't add immediately, the 1 gets printed
< 1346248650 738211 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh
< 1346248659 695846 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have designed one evil esolang
< 1346248705 252732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for normal use, you can fix that by using + )[1]  instead, but that doesn't count as doing nothing to trigger input...
< 1346248789 825426 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I'd actually be relieved if you could prove fueue was not turing-complete, then add a few functions that would make it both turing complete and usable
< 1346248815 895483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i do think it is turing-complete.  it just has some trouble handling input.
< 1346248817 754293 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if it's Turing-Complete or not
< 1346248831 396370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially EOF.
< 1346248837 419580 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's more than linear-bounded
< 1346248839 439065 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand if you can prove it's turing-complete we're gonna have the hell of a time programming with it
< 1346248851 404708 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's sneakily not a PDA
< 1346248873 559543 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not Turing-Complete, it's something nobody's ever thought of.
< 1346248914 89178 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be surprised by what people tend to think of
< 1346249035 39262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)$!![...] is the way i see to handle non-negative input.  it makes n copies of the [...] block where n is the character read, then executes the first copy, and surely something can be put for ... to reconstruct the character in a more useful form from that.
< 1346249074 121310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :inefficient, but it ought to work.
< 1346249100 175668 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number will end up behind the block, slide to the front of the queue, and get printed
< 1346249116 656447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no the number should end up in the !! spot...
< 1346249144 60927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean for the !! to be the last thing executed before the do-nothing-cycle
< 1346249165 288455 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see
< 1346249236 398061 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I changed the language so printing was explicit, it would be so much easier to work with
< 1346249264 522725 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less fun, though
< 1346249319 371540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1346249360 483437 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell I play Dwarf Fortress.
< 1346249380 244749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1346249589 128122 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :):[):] is a Fueue infinite loop, I believe
< 1346249589 656432 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so the !! nop is actually useful
< 1346249632 2141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: heh right it's just about the shortest
< 1346249654 189197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the second ! can be replaced by other things
< 1346249692 716900 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"doing nothing is doing something" could be Fueue's slogan
< 1346249728 2328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds zen, or something
< 1346249764 47499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: already discovered :)
< 1346249770 193281 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1346249785 664318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost like underload :^
< 1346249796 496143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ): is
< 1346249829 315902 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Underload was the main inspiration for Fueue
< 1346249913 30381 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does the F come from?
< 1346249967 424473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/owls/?comic=476
< 1346250026 384042 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I watch 12 Angry Men instead of sleeping?
< 1346250032 260393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you should see that i think
< 1346250073 707790 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hyuk.
< 1346250108 849877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :critics.
< 1346250742 899349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh another quadruple sneeze
< 1346250954 800726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's commonly called a 'queeze'. There's also the relatively common 'treeze', and the very rare 'quinteeze'. (Disclaimer: lie.)
< 1346251146 300245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1346252727 955246 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it's all working now, do you have some interesting fueue program for me to test?
< 1346252830 426524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well have you tested the ):[72 blablablaasciihelloworld 100 10 ):] program yet?
< 1346252874 873103 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(should I add a H after the 10?)
< 1346252880 254033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1346252885 687536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :most definitely not
< 1346252898 224674 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :segfault :(
< 1346252898 679856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also keep ^C handy :)
< 1346252902 818879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1346252920 623281 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooooo let's add a lot of printf to see where this segfault comes from
< 1346252925 325181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NB: blablablaasciihelloworld is meant to be whatever you used in the previous one
< 1346252931 768662 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1346252941 468905 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :72 101 108 108 111 32 119 111 114 108 100 10
< 1346253007 993157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: make a DEBUG macro so you can just disable it without removing all the places you use it
< 1346253040 676846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever, it's possible the name DEBUG is reserved
< 1346253041 186015 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouh, nice
< 1346253081 884255 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'm pretty sure the segfault comes from the quare brackets
< 1346253091 572854 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a program without them?
< 1346253099 216050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also these things called debuggers, they can be handy tools to learn.
< 1346253110 196110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i was sort of trying to give you a loop to test...
< 1346253119 18515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you cannot do that without blocks
< 1346253141 301529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway we can test other pieces first.
< 1346253197 336484 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what would your reaction be if I told you I was writing a C program using TextEdit and counting the lines manually when gcc tells me there's an error at a certain line?
< 1346253235 352605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Well, it's no skin off my nose. (Is that an idiom?)
< 1346253280 447426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: * - - 4 * * 2 2 + 2 2   should print a @ before becoming cat
< 1346253307 713086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Just as an interesting tip, you can type "command-L" and type in a line number; it will jump to that line.
< 1346253317 77456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, there's no way to get visible line numbers, though.
< 1346253340 516788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1346253345 195494 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you sooooo much fizzie
< 1346253352 536860 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it does nothing, then becomes a cat
< 1346253356 901284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1346253368 38993 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait
< 1346253415 385143 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, random bug to be fixed later: if a program ends with a number, that number disappears
< 1346253429 142683 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the meantime let's end the program with a whitespace
< 1346253442 136947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1346253453 94121 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does indeed print an @
< 1346253530 863810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : / 100 3  should print ! or was that "
< 1346253540 710890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\33'
< 1346253541 926444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '!'
< 1346253578 374664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 33
< 1346253579 342761 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '!'
< 1346253584 102767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, the character constants are decimal, not octal? 
< 1346253589 744107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1346253594 64496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How... modern.
< 1346253600 543000 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge are decimals too
< 1346253619 283553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge doesn't have escaped characters, as far as I know.
< 1346253625 113461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) $ % 100 [ H ]  should go into a cat loop,  ) $ % 0 [ H ] should halt
< 1346253636 18449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you had trouble looping
< 1346253643 365649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er blocking
< 1346253660 544400 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok, I have to fix it anyway
< 1346253665 451931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'\0o55'
< 1346253667 947470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\0o55'
< 1346253669 95447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  :
< 1346253669 267909 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     lexical error in string/character literal at chara...
< 1346253675 155460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no such luck
< 1346253678 544600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0o55
< 1346253679 596279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  45
< 1346253731 365912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['\o55' (chr 0o55)]
< 1346253732 376154 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `t1 -> t'
< 1346253732 549812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `GHC.T...
< 1346253745 457097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\o55'
< 1346253746 483977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '-'
< 1346253749 196596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1346253752 140291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried to be too clever there.
< 1346253767 644698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you might want a comma
< 1346253773 137888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1346253790 763210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like one of those handwavy things.
< 1346253795 887816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'\o7'
< 1346253812 105506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\o7'
< 1346253813 92504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '\a'
< 1346253875 719212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: + 1 65 65  should print AB
< 1346253963 424790 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\x266a'
< 1346253964 412740 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '\9834'
< 1346253984 429885 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval '\x266a'
< 1346253987 61038 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): Could not find module `Data.Numbers.Primes'
< 1346253987 206955 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use -v to see a list of the files searched for.
< 1346254011 47603 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval '\x266a'
< 1346254012 125426 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'\9834'
< 1346254018 125698 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. figured as much.
< 1346254038 128026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "\x1111111111111"
< 1346254039 270792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  :
< 1346254039 422764 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     lexical error in string/character literal at chara...
< 1346254068 302056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "\x111111"
< 1346254069 377190 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  :
< 1346254069 527048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     lexical error in string/character literal at chara...
< 1346254071 306030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "\x11111"
< 1346254072 393228 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "\69905"
< 1346254107 835214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Char
< 1346254108 916083 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '\1114111'
< 1346254119 434285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showHex 1114111 ""
< 1346254120 452130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "10ffff"
< 1346254173 478219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr (17*0x10000-1)
< 1346254174 492878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '\1114111'
< 1346254177 78735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 planes and all.
< 1346254266 658722 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellooooooon
< 1346254266 814822 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> return 1 2
< 1346254267 960593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1346254282 621068 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1346254293 607670 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the [ didn't work because it started an infinite loop
< 1346254312 954879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: well it _was_ supposed to...
< 1346254320 831639 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean my string to queue function
< 1346254329 72962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1346254338 219536 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's suppose to call itself on the subprogram
< 1346254353 978461 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it called itself on the [, thus calling itself again immediately
< 1346254372 124212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1346254386 50973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, but, but: wasn't all this OCaml? 
< 1346254395 51618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :C.
< 1346254400 678731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but yesterday! 
< 1346254432 300854 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I started Ocaml, realized Queue was inadapted, thought "in that case it would be more interesting for me to write it in C, since I haven't written in C for years"
< 1346254437 485786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the Oaml dropped off, leaving only C.
< 1346254450 91076 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and after that you guys told me about Queue.transfer which solved everything
< 1346254455 193643 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let's finish the C version first
< 1346254457 59486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocaml's queue module was too impure
< 1346254464 482141 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Ocaml version is probably gonna be much much simpler
< 1346254530 832148 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1346254546 377761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not actually sure Queue.transfer solves everything - you still have in-place update and that means : cannot share data if you use the queues for blocks
< 1346254553 980372 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so now it calls itself five times instead of one
< 1346254577 76479 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I chose to use simple lists for blocks
< 1346254598 866983 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit weird since lists are functional stacks
< 1346254627 54969 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since blocks are not executed it's ok, I just have to reverse the list when unblocking it
< 1346254671 761006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1346254711 685392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes < more efficient, actually
< 1346255298 146543 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it
< 1346255350 632480 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you help me with http://pastebin.com/hfuAewHu ?
< 1346255399 81921 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently when it encounters a '[' it calls itself back on the first char of the string
< 1346255407 925412 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it should calls itself on the char that follows the [
< 1346255494 444936 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346255505 543883 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :given the three functions pushval, pushfun and pushblock which create a new item (respectively a number, a function or a block) and push it
< 1346255661 471147 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my apologies if the code is not clear enough :/
< 1346255683 815587 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it processes the given string using a counter
< 1346255691 374989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: um shouldn't the k++ in line 56 be (*k)++  ?
< 1346255707 712897 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, crap, yes
< 1346255719 226901 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would certainly explain the segfault
< 1346255731 961570 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm surprised the segfault doesn't happen sooner
< 1346255757 517507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you might want to check that it has read a ] rather than \0 after returning
< 1346255772 891169 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1346256093 58297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for the top program that it has ended on \0 rather than ], although that won't cause a segfault.
< 1346256150 103990 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the fueue specifications about that :)
< 1346256166 837911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that's a syntax error, since the ] would be unmatched
< 1346256189 314209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pretty much the same as parsing brainfuck [] blocks
< 1346256201 440829 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1346256212 504033 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I did that in Ocaml so it was much faster
< 1346256219 762427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1346256227 659518 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, faster to write the program
< 1346256266 656662 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: if a [ is unmatched, are we assuming there is an implicit ] at the end of the program?
< 1346256280 378046 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that ought to be an error
< 1346256326 641210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to check for it regardless, otherwise you run past the \0
< 1346256355 568301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether or not you choose to ignore it after checking
< 1346256415 182669 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1346256739 225258 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)$%0H halts
< 1346256754 60988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1346256757 774815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1346256760 56040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right
< 1346256761 588504 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)$%0[H] is a cat :(
< 1346256782 584832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not right
< 1346256816 821727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about )[H]  ?
< 1346256822 276102 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the deblock function doesn't work
< 1346256825 575424 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, let's try that
< 1346256851 989912 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)[H] is a cat as well
< 1346256858 95372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1346256867 89985 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this nonsense wouldn't be happening with ocaml!
< 1346256878 937202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHAHA*
< 1346257012 589518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\91'
< 1346257013 641101 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '['
< 1346257016 376172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\90'
< 1346257017 415664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  'Z'
< 1346257040 424924 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/31nVgVtn
< 1346257111 572914 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I forgot to pop the block
< 1346257350 180377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The * in is_empty(*q) is a bit confusing. "Normally" I'd expect that to take a Queue * instead of Queue, too. (Not that it's a problem to pass-by-value it, just that I wouldn't expect that.)
< 1346257372 812424 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it confuses me too
< 1346257400 1489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: you still aren't using Queue's to store the blocks, right?
< 1346257408 879243 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I am
< 1346257413 224293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1346257436 923087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case i'm _deeply_ worried about the interaction of copying blocks and mutating them.
< 1346257466 307801 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/T8nURuri
< 1346257506 106824 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every element in the queue contains an int, a char and a block
< 1346257547 461625 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of those three variables are supposed to have their default value (0, 0, or empty), and the third to contain what it has to contain
< 1346257575 280677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: what about a union?
< 1346257588 161741 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would work exactly the same wouldn't it?
< 1346257596 236947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but less space
< 1346257621 923994 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured "I remember there's that union thing, but it still sounds weird and why bother"
< 1346257626 992496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this doesn't comfort me until i see how : and < are implemented
< 1346257685 582149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if things aren't going to break, _somewhere_ it has to be ensured that Queues aren't shared and mutated at the same time
< 1346257712 207354 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/G3KLDsXw
< 1346257732 825487 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :queues are not supposed to be share
< 1346257761 465701 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, a queue can either be the main queue, or one block
< 1346257784 203321 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ) appends a block to the main queue, then pops the block
< 1346257824 154986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and : doesn't share Queue's, even nested ones?
< 1346257825 76466 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which made me realise the deletetop function was missing some garbage collection: if the top element contains a block, the queue inside is not freed
< 1346257830 334852 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net QUIT :Quit: Shooting
< 1346257855 236691 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm pretty sure I wrote the copy function in a way that it doesn't
< 1346257858 872368 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see
< 1346257947 942672 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/g5U2jrSr
< 1346257967 972236 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyQueue and copyToken are mutually recursive
< 1346257978 687465 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should copy everything and share nothing
< 1346258013 497277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: That's at least a memory leak right there: c->block = *copyQueue(&(x->block));
< 1346258017 409292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok a deep copy, well that helps.
< 1346258033 39088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyQueue returns a newly-malloc'd Queue, and then you take the contents of that and copy them to the Queue object inside the token.
< 1346258044 237869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it may also be inefficient if large blocks get copied a lot, but them's the breaks)
< 1346258045 348447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any pointers to the just-malloc'd object is lost.
< 1346258113 562833 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1346258156 301622 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory leaks usually comes the other way around so I did not think about it
< 1346258298 255494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346258432 857749 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)[H] is still an infinite loop cat though
< 1346258540 371722 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346258555 992301 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had a fairly trippy idea
< 1346258565 143963 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346258598 932777 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is 2 or more people are wearing vr goggles
< 1346258599 209864 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by PO
< 1346258617 20891 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is a camera to the side.. lets suppose its a tennis match
< 1346258629 81741 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tennis match where the players are wearing vr goggles
< 1346258644 121960 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're playing third person?
< 1346258648 44636 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. each player sees in their goggles the image as shown from the camera
< 1346258655 119276 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1346258696 383340 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346258710 184096 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what happens when i think too hard while watching third person video games on youtube
< 1346258780 521504 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know about experiments where visual imagry tricks the brain into thinking things about the body?
< 1346258788 141671 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general its a bad idea.. 
< 1346258867 304829 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about each player sees from a camera located on the other player's head!?
< 1346258870 691103 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people are good at third-person video games, so i'm guessing the third-person real life could work as well
< 1346258886 802903 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that eyes are best as they are... 
< 1346258928 276165 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite steve mann's best intentions, it's really not a good thing for healthy people to avoid looking at things directly
< 1346259020 363953 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it leads to a dependance on the cameras too
< 1346259025 780864 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the cameras can lie
< 1346259051 319506 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346259079 327 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346259113 148657 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are mechanical/electrical, and have all the inherent drawbacks which leads the internet to be full of forums of people having endless troubles with mechanical/electrical things
< 1346259120 651429 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if the cameras switch to a Toyata advert?
< 1346259125 812082 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1346259182 599304 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this idea isn't working
< 1346259207 292511 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: you could pay your taxes by watching ads :D
< 1346259282 324649 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems the more sane i become, the more insane i become, if my comments here can be regarded as insane
< 1346260436 963631 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: what if / is followed by two numbers but the second is a zero
< 1346260454 722554 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it result in a Division_by_zero kind of error, or is the / sent back?
< 1346260459 121829 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, presumably a divide by 0 error
< 1346260467 89981 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1346260548 323001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: It's funny how it's your language, but you're still all "presumably foo" about it.
< 1346260560 131955 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what I was doing when I made it
< 1346260570 28680 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All my languages are pretty vague, I'll be honest
< 1346260584 411348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that besides wrapping in )[ ... ], another way to delay execution is to strategically sprinkle with ~ ; this is often shorter.

< 1346260585 125921 :augur!~augur@216-164-54-41.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346260604 201377 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1346260634 940075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as there are not too many spots that need to be sprinkled
< 1346260693 207907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~[ ... ]~) can delay three steps as long as there isn't a block following
< 1346260693 483971 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi
< 1346260701 237851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you cuttlefish 
< 1346260720 650487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, did you know: glibc removed the 'gets' declaration from stdio.h when _GNU_SOURCE is defined, i.e. in -std=gnu90/gnu99 modes. (And in C11 mode, but that's just following the standard.)
< 1346260742 22756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Predictably quite a lot of things broke.)
< 1346260777 830892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only things that deserved it, i assume
< 1346260925 156905 :augur!~augur@216-164-54-41.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346261006 665515 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-133.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346261018 895632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Quite a few things broke because gnulib headers included in them had the line  _GL_WARN_ON_USE (gets, "gets is a security hole - use fgets instead");  as an attempt to get a warning if some developer had accidentally used gets.
< 1346261031 430734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: With the declaration missing, those just-in-case warnings also broke.
< 1346261036 721215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1346261068 772236 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.166.14 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346261085 884089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* Assume it is always declared, since it is required by C89. */ is what the comment above the _GL_WARN_ON_USE says.
< 1346261105 247907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goes on to show that when you assume...
< 1346261115 965747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is there a variant of _GL_WARN_ON_USE that won't assume that?
< 1346261125 526470 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically people are falling because someone planted a "mind the gap" sign and someone else filled the gap?
< 1346261150 61287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is. I'm not sure if it's possible to write.
< 1346261170 583063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A  sed -i '/gets is a security hole/d'  command apparently fixes most of the problems.
< 1346261588 994719 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl MaybeT (StateT IO Integer)
< 1346261589 188076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `unmtl' failed with: `MaybeT (StateT IO Integer)' is not applied to enough arguments, giving `/\A. IO -> Integer (Maybe A, IO)'
< 1346261603 454930 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl MaybeT (StateT Integer IO)
< 1346261603 651374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `unmtl' failed with: `MaybeT (StateT Integer IO)' is not applied to enough arguments, giving `/\A. Integer -> IO (Maybe A, Integer)'
< 1346261624 368020 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl MaybeT (StateT Integer IO) Double
< 1346261624 535003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integer -> IO (Maybe Double, Integer)
< 1346261644 486488 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is...
< 1346261649 827329 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is PRECISELY what I'm after
< 1346261652 941685 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except not Double
< 1346261691 425755 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl MaybeT (StateT Integer IO) (Seq Char)
< 1346261691 602312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integer -> IO (Maybe (Seq Char), Integer)
< 1346263158 52465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The kings came to the agreement between themselves that they would cast lots by the dice to determine who should have this property, and that he who threw the highest should have the district.  The Swedish king threw two sixes, and said King Olaf need scarcely throw.  He replied, while shaking the dice in his hand, "Although there be two sixes on the dice, it would be easy, sire, for God ...
< 1346263164 499801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Almighty to let them turn up in my favour."  Then he threw, and had sixes also.  Now the Swedish king threw again, and had again two sixes.  Olaf king of Norway then threw, and had six upon one dice, and the other split in two, so as to make seven eyes in all upon it; and the district was adjudged to the king of Norway."
< 1346263206 456090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds plausible.
< 1346263230 844389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it rings a bell.
< 1346263304 209312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a quote from: Heimskringla or The Chronicle of the Kings of Norway - Saga of Olaf Haraldson: Part III - Online Medieval and Classical Library Release #15b.
< 1346263350 427566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey olaf was a saint, clearly such things happened to him all the time.
< 1346263388 343822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, saints are well-known cheaters.
< 1346263431 844164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the Swedish king was also an Olaf, if I read this right.
< 1346263463 896318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not from what you quoted anyhow
< 1346263482 979685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't mention the name.
< 1346263505 192993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But before that there's stuff like "Olaf the Swedish king was then remarkably mild in manner, and agreeable to talk with."
< 1346263525 152015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it speaks of the Swedish kings in plural.
< 1346263528 563841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they had a couple.
< 1346263532 971512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very historic.
< 1346263607 387126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, "Thereafter ambassadors were sent to Norway to King Olaf, with the errand that he should come with his retinue to a meeting at Konungahella with the Swedish kings, and that the Swedish kings would there confirm their reconciliation.  --  There the Swedish kings also came; --"
< 1346263614 408405 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346263732 53215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Then said Thorvid the Stammerer, 'Atte -- quarrel -- some -- greedy -- jealous -- deceitful -- dull.'" An appropriate name there.
< 1346263735 795922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok there was one in about the right time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olof_Sk%C3%B6tkonung
< 1346263742 406757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at
< 1346263745 834851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was apparently around year 1019.
< 1346263755 239806 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346263847 968884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Olaf seems to be a saint too.
< 1346263853 344155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"According to a legend he was martyred at Stockholm after refusing to sacrifice to pagan gods. He's venerated as a saint in the Catholic Church."
< 1346263875 791339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose Olaf of Norway was saintier.
< 1346263879 542648 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I should be ashamed that REBOL's clipboard stuff actually makes me happy
< 1346263892 371659 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic pls :) ?
< 1346263914 88872 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome donmarquis 
< 1346263924 281885 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :donmarquis: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1346263927 587878 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo
< 1346263945 87220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the saintiest!
< 1346263969 640575 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis PRIVMSG #esoteric :saint talk ?
< 1346263981 346861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The daintiest saint.
< 1346264001 242660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cleaves fizzie skull with an axe

< 1346264009 379168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T YOU SPEAK LIKE THAT
< 1346264021 962773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see Norwegians have strong feelings about this Olaf.
< 1346264057 927676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also we're not really helping the "other kind of esoteric" confusion factor with all the sainty stuff.)
< 1346264058 939671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trondheim has a yearly olaf festival in july/august
< 1346264100 609120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could even guess an axe might've been involved in that d6-gives-a-seven throw.
< 1346264148 372842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very small one.
< 1346264283 872660 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1346264377 422237 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346264738 338058 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346265111 563626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346265449 260376 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346265618 276950 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1346266423 884962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1346266450 991390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: )$2[)$--------2~)~~[)[)~(~[~[$~H~]~)%+~91-):]~1+:])]]~[$~H~])%+-91)[65][65]
< 1346266555 268455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: ^
< 1346266582 252825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I asked about LLVM with different length of bytes is, I wanted to invent a virtual machine with 32-bit bytes, 18-bit addresses, bank switching, etc
< 1346266632 641850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition I wanted to allow it to work with LLVM.
< 1346266745 665688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would be cackling evilly if he felt better

< 1346266907 976193 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't you have a +3 axe of evil cackling with you?
< 1346266913 988585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*cough*)
< 1346266924 75690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but...
< 1346266929 610766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats boily -----###

< 1346266985 618925 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blocks with his penguin plushie of protection!

< 1346267381 269210 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :those penguin plushies are heavy
< 1346267385 437777 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a -2 to speed
< 1346267399 163706 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :roll a reflex check
< 1346267576 542586 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I am really interested in your LFSR configurable tap instruction pointer
< 1346267582 802880 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should put together a simulator for that
< 1346267597 536295 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"esolang or billion dollar company"
< 1346267625 150018 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd play that game
< 1346267629 359316 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1346267654 40102 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes perhaps I could make a simple simulator for that. What is "esolang or billion dollar company"? Do you mean the company that makes this computer? Perhaps it can be both, and perhaps a company can have such a name, too
< 1346267804 771581 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 20
< 1346267805 124185 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9
< 1346267832 621899 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :failed my check. I accept with gratitude the metalness of oerjan's axe.
< 1346267851 137399 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was your modifier?
< 1346267861 463600 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was only dc15
< 1346267881 327648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I captured the flag. Level 8 was annoying.
< 1346267901 850469 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 6
< 1346267902 73698 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+0, I haven't trained plush-fu yet.
< 1346267902 219613 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1346267911 61992 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't that be "~die"?
< 1346267939 341456 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has dice quantity as an optional argument, and I'm too lazy to have two separate commands.
< 1346267952 213952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like the SF event is going to be 21+. I vaguely I wish I was <21 so I could self-righteously complain about it.
< 1346267971 35901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I FIND YOU INSUFFICIENTLY IMPRESSED BY MY LATEST FUEUE PROGRAM
< 1346268018 659106 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 5d10
< 1346268018 842223 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4
< 1346268031 114998 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 5*10
< 1346268031 275501 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4
< 1346268037 622155 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how it works boily
< 1346268044 659383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now where was that sulking corner and is the cake still there
< 1346268066 256287 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 12 5
< 1346268066 586121 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 8 4 3 1
< 1346268076 279954 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I find myself confused
< 1346268081 641913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 12 5
< 1346268081 972400 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 8 4 1 4
< 1346268084 485024 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 10 5
< 1346268084 641330 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 6 8 7 8
< 1346268086 798885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: good, good
< 1346268098 134323 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 100 3
< 1346268098 476898 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 91 23
< 1346268104 633607 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it needs to display sum because i am too lazy to add them up
< 1346268114 683472 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 1 50
< 1346268114 829533 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
< 1346268138 58074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i THINK that adds up to 50
< 1346268140 591286 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 65 - 91
< 1346268141 727188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -26
< 1346268141 873320 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1346268255 168870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a dice program on TI-92 calculator, once. I still have it.
< 1346268276 198793 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you're forcing my laziness...
< 1346268303 687693 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: be less lazy so i can be more lazy
< 1346268305 375478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an unstoppable force and an immovable object
< 1346268366 920102 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play Dungeons&Dragons game sometimes (but I use real dice; except for character generation).
< 1346268420 251381 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you use your random generator, or intentionally select stuff using dndinsider tools
< 1346268437 479406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I use my random generator.
< 1346268451 232527 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use my calculator.
< 1346268486 498348 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I have just thought up an evil prng for Haskell
< 1346268492 601887 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs testing
< 1346268509 31186 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce id :: Int, use that as a seed value
< 1346268534 776230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance RandomGen () where ...
< 1346268571 639193 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346268587 823925 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346268596 75861 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 10 10
< 1346268596 714311 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 3 2 5 5 5 9 6 4 1  --- Sum = 46
< 1346268665 142188 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks boily
< 1346268671 498106 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 1 50
< 1346268671 651240 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1  --- Sum = 50
< 1346268677 540474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Would it work? I think Int has only one constructor and it is specific to GHC anyways, and it would also depend on how the memory allocation is done, it might not work so well
< 1346268683 420327 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha i was right! it does addd up to 50
< 1346268717 41314 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, gave me two different numbers if I restart GHCi inbetween
< 1346268750 475753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: shocking
< 1346268774 304414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyways id is a function and I don't know what would be expected to happen if you use unsafeCoerce between function and data, I think the documentation mentions mess with doing so; so even if it work with GHCi it might not work in compiled programs.
< 1346268785 919180 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not supposed to do anything
< 1346268791 891699 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to be evil, rather
< 1346268798 467360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Yes it may do so, but on a single-tasking computer it might give the same number each time.
< 1346268826 885323 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 1000
< 1346268827 288177 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :482  --- Sum = 482
< 1346268890 984601 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If every number had the same probablity of being "diced", then what would the average sum be?
< 1346268909 306015 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinity
< 1346268928 264145 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 10 throws with a 6 sided dice or so
< 1346268937 392989 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.
< 1346268942 992907 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of rolls * number of sides on dice / 2
< 1346268962 955837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no
< 1346268985 317013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of rolls * (number of sides on dice + 1) / 2
< 1346268989 865535 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point
< 1346269004 562088 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're both assuming the dice doesn't have 0 or negative numbers
< 1346269007 349693 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, for 10 6 sided dice, we'd expect about 35
< 1346269010 45288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But what if it's a programmers 0-indexed... right.
< 1346269011 889794 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 6 10
< 1346269012 203126 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 6 6 2 3 3 1 5 1 6  --- Sum = 37
< 1346269014 955534 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 6 10
< 1346269015 253689 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 1 2 2 3 2 3 1 6 2  --- Sum = 27
< 1346269016 362584 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 6 10
< 1346269016 731461 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 1 2 6 4 2 1 3 6 2  --- Sum = 30
< 1346269017 731194 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 6 10
< 1346269018 99692 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 6 1 2 2 5 6 5 5 1  --- Sum = 34
< 1346269018 888133 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 6 10
< 1346269019 188982 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 3 1 4 5 5 4 6 6 1  --- Sum = 37
< 1346269030 334928 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [37,27,30,34,37] / 5
< 1346269031 493139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  33.0
< 1346269034 352751 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not bad
< 1346269038 404619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 50d1
< 1346269038 663331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :50d1 => 50
< 1346269059 88273 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is much more concise
< 1346269066 583460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 500000000000d10
< 1346269066 798407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :500000000000d10 => 2749998886333
< 1346269092 524853 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice d6
< 1346269092 727521 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected "d": expecting number
< 1346269096 352429 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d6
< 1346269096 556029 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d6 => 1
< 1346269106 623687 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION trips and falls in a pit

< 1346269116 526446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pity
< 1346269130 868450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me it's time for my weekly check of oots
< 1346269131 884029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :octave:6> mean(sum(floor(1+6*rand(10000,10)), 2))
< 1346269132 30169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans =  34.971
< 1346269139 472232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :octave:7> mean(sum(floor(1+6*rand(1000000,10)), 2))
< 1346269139 618346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans =  35.007
< 1346269153 884960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whaddaya know, it *is* approaching oerjan's 35.
< 1346269175 12453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: see: law of large numbers
< 1346269179 140365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the TI-92 is slow, I have done some things to make the program fast. One is to compile the dice specification when it is entered, and if you ask for a reroll it just uses the precompiled specification, making subsequent rolls faster than the first one.
< 1346269182 916960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was a million sets of sums of 10 throws.)
< 1346269234 560671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the introduction example :)
< 1346269247 180834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on wp)
< 1346269462 704097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: btw that program _should_ print the alphabet.
< 1346269469 444941 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1346269599 216933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes 10 cycles per letter
< 1346269660 498102 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346269703 700621 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346269727 228258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :octave:17> var(mean(floor(1+6*rand(1000,1000))))
< 1346269727 374459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans =  0.0028878
< 1346269727 374631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :octave:18> (6^2-1)/12/1000
< 1346269727 374738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans =  0.0029167
< 1346269729 279386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, and look, the variance of the sample mean is pretty close to sigma^2/N for N repeats of 1000 throws. Amazing!
< 1346269882 569908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like those statisticians know what they are doing, or something
< 1346270063 857849 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: congrats
< 1346270074 348792 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gratschaf
< 1346270085 517448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the (6^2-1)/12, it's almost as if E(X^2)-E(X)^2 and E(f(X)) = sum_i p(X_i) f(X_i).
< 1346270090 207088 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1346270101 832126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Level 8 was very contrived.
< 1346270153 435085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to have kind of a "thing" for those passwords-checked-in-steps kind of things.
< 1346270169 553778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The corresponding CTF1 one was kind of contrived too.
< 1346270189 54594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of CTF1 was contrived.
< 1346270207 848923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: About my LFSR configurable tap instruction pointer, I had other ideas too such as four memory buses (primary program, secondary program, primary data, and secondary data) where any of them can be swapped with others, so you can treat program as data as well, it is like harvard, and can be as fast as harvard.
< 1346270222 973556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe. I've lost my notes. But the code for that one was (IIRC) so convoluted compared to a straight-forward strcmp.
< 1346270232 181658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was.
< 1346270241 210748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did several strlen()s for each iteration.
< 1346270335 436595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand level04 was "void fun(char *str) { char buf[1024]; strcpy(buf, str); }"
< 1346270337 592453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, having multiplexing instructions (like Muxcomp esolang, but operating on registers instead of memory), having the address bus and data bus of each memory to also be a register, and some other ideas too.
< 1346270363 435725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It did have some kind of ASLR on, at least.
< 1346270379 572705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it's not exactly the most useful function.
< 1346270412 759717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION brute-forced his way through the ASLR instead of being clever.

< 1346270436 835064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If it is optimized I would expect it to do nothing, but if it is not optimized I would expect that something would go wrong if the string is too long.
< 1346270450 967956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The strcpy leaves 'buf' in %eax, so I just picked a "call *%eax" (in the code) to return to.
< 1346270469 533374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You mean "something to go *right*".
< 1346270473 984193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right. I didn't notice that.
< 1346270484 818508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found the email I sent them, just not my code-and-notes directory.)
< 1346270491 753559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, it will go right if you specifically make it go right, I suppose.
< 1346270504 785907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just gave a very long string full of nops over and over again. It was 32 bits so it didn't take long.
< 1346270518 803817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: On the other hand, what I executed was the first google-hit for "/bin/sh shellcode", so that's kinda lazy too.
< 1346270941 134402 :nortti-!~juhani@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346271102 830527 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 iota [ 1 + iota sum . ] each
< 1346271229 515785 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess the language
< 1346271379 111275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks kinda Factorish.
< 1346271385 980462 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is Factor
< 1346271390 44518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then.
< 1346271396 36844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I haven't written any, but I've seen snippets.)
< 1346271464 271650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's that 'each' thing know how much to sprungle? 
< 1346271496 634341 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :iota returns a sequence
< 1346271509 336238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it's not just that many numbers.
< 1346271626 450035 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :USING: math.ranges ; 100 [1,b] [ [1,b] sum . ] each   (this is probably better)
< 1346271691 861505 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could put it in a function
< 1346271702 625882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum . enumFromTo 0 <$> [0..99] -- I suppose it's something kinda like that.
< 1346271704 848343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [0,1,3,6,10,15,21,28,36,45,55,66,78,91,105,120,136,153,171,190,210,231,253,...
< 1346271727 354137 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 [1,b] goes from 1 to 100 (inclusive)
< 1346271740 36478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For example, calling iota on the integer 3 produces a sequence containing the elements 0, 1, and 2." http://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-sequences-integers.html
< 1346271743 308518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was following that one.
< 1346271762 611918 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, iota isn't the most convienient when you want to start from 1
< 1346271771 99401 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you have to add 1 to all elements
< 1346271806 519336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, but if you start with a 100 iota, the last one is 99, and you have "1 + iota" so that's another 100 iota so the last sum is up to 99 there.
< 1346271810 737279 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,827 comments in 23 minutes http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/z1c9z/i_am_barack_obama_president_of_the_united_states/
< 1346271848 508362 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :My iota thing does print 100 numbers as well, but it starts with 0 instead of 1
< 1346271879 452290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, so does the [0..99], obviously.
< 1346271886 319238 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1346271896 924483 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway
< 1346272274 544107 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's why I can't get my reddit fix right now...
< 1346272530 468734 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1346272531 928865 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346272576 921602 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1346272577 747812 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1346272730 204316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it won't load i see...
< 1346272749 140213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if it were genuine i guess that would explain why it won't load :P
< 1346272791 572910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mean obama managed to reddit reddit?
< 1346272849 897560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm appending .nyud.net doesn't help...
< 1346272877 113552 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, seems to be genuine
< 1346272887 422896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it _is_ election year
< 1346272892 162605 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/240903767350968320
< 1346272978 685345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that blue checkmark means it's a verified twitter account right?  i cannot seem to get any tooltip for it.
< 1346273001 783051 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1346273023 900019 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, Obama killed reddit.
< 1346273027 46494 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tricky tricky.
< 1346273032 426518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should verify my Twitter account.
< 1346273081 191169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i vaguely thought they'd stopped doing that.
< 1346273100 311667 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeb of Mojang fame recently got the tick
< 1346273107 687948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :œrjan: Yes, but surely they can make a special case for someone like me?
< 1346273118 946527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well obviously you have a point.
< 1346273137 713980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a strange spelling of ø
< 1346273232 916151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :o̼rjan
< 1346273249 592362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ø̼r̼j̼a̼n̼
< 1346273263 763054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :033C   COMBINING SEAGULL BELOW     [̼]
< 1346273274 351694 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seagull???
< 1346273293 970281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :o͆rjan
< 1346273330 110513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\x33C'
< 1346273331 171462 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '\828'
< 1346273334 287279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :o͡rjan
< 1346273335 148814 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ørjan is a seagull that combines from below.
< 1346273340 197975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@read '\x33C'
< 1346273340 405670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `dummy' failed with: Prelude.read: no parse
< 1346273346 786344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@read "\x33C"
< 1346273347 32571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : <
< 1346273357 663009 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not even friday, and I'm already confused.
< 1346273363 174921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut
< 1346273376 862650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0x33c `mod` 256
< 1346273377 870807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  60
< 1346273380 213091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 60
< 1346273381 267177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '<'
< 1346273383 696582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no shachaf is a seagull.  he's trying to pretend it's just his name, though.
< 1346273410 609934 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah. as tvtropes would have said, it makes as much sense in context.
< 1346273465 837716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ask Odd-Even and Bent over there
< 1346273791 369599 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346273810 260458 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Watch out for combinatoric seagulls!
< 1346273852 469983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2703#comic :P
< 1346273860 23255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not quite new)
< 1346273891 736597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 6000/52
< 1346273892 744234 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  115.38461538461539
< 1346274037 239447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2012-6000/52
< 1346274038 264946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1896.6153846153845
< 1346274161 111373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that around when Mac OS <=9 epoch is? 
< 1346274185 803918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that was 1904. About as far from 1900 but to the other direction.
< 1346274218 519251 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2.45/1
< 1346274219 515190 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.45
< 1346274305 663394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what hagb4rd was expecting

< 1346274378 24091 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, maybe he was checking maths still works in the future
< 1346274382 368664 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to recall that few decimals that one cannot store as float, at least not exactly
< 1346274392 989679 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/3
< 1346274393 949497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0.3333333333333333
< 1346274401 486540 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 100000000000/3
< 1346274402 550950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3.3333333333333332e10
< 1346274405 878098 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. that is not a decimal
< 1346274411 557256 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1346274413 752140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: ah yes.  there was an smbc about that.
< 1346274449 573052 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.9 * 1000000000
< 1346274450 855649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  9.0e8
< 1346274463 312368 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1346274475 799804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: it would still print the simplest decimal representation for that double
< 1346274476 681106 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not thinking in terms of floating point numbers
< 1346274499 598793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.1 -- not an exact double
< 1346274500 749103 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0.1
< 1346274527 997474 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have encountered problems with floattype and well ..yes..prices
< 1346274578 265540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.1 :: Rational
< 1346274579 321157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1 % 10
< 1346274593 185841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the denominator is not a power of 2, it's not exact.
< 1346274673 943311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl printf("%.30f", 0.1);
< 1346274674 412983 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.100000000000000005551115123126
< 1346274676 974680 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1346274703 916199 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Rasmus_Lerdorf
< 1346274711 457429 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it when Wikipedia gets nasty.
< 1346274757 850127 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which turns fast to larger amounts (more than a cent :) when not rounded before doing the sum
< 1346274761 971800 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example
< 1346274767 235785 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this can be evil
< 1346274817 142216 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good it's not that hard to implement a decimal type if not present
< 1346274847 960540 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kids, don't try this at home
< 1346274896 115511 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1346274898 9896 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear
< 1346274899 949955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written something about some kind of "algebraic infinity" nobody replied perhaps I can write more see what you would think about it. This value called "infinity" can be treated as a algebraic variable representing a positive real number (so most of the same rules apply), except that it is considered to be greater than any real number, and it is not a real number.
< 1346274900 224040 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd
< 1346274910 759851 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover
< 1346274945 928038 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you brought itidus21 down upon us
< 1346274956 255371 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you dare to return?
< 1346274990 314856 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. i kind of missed you
< 1346275023 465619 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you tread upon thin ice my friend
< 1346275024 189316 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thin
< 1346275024 875636 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ice
< 1346275047 179278 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :angels dancing
< 1346275050 406430 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :angels dying
< 1346275060 924772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please specify thickness (in decimicrons).
< 1346275106 97935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi-Civita_field
< 1346275125 746492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, is that like what I have described?
< 1346275127 220230 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first of the last will deliver the old
< 1346275138 50627 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit oerjan 
< 1346275165 117681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it seems similar
< 1346275215 895874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does, although it seem based on infinitesimals instead of infinity (although even in what I described, you have have one over infinity to make infinitesimal numbers)
< 1346275323 294324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's just a simple renaming, more significant is that they use infinite formal series instead of just sums
< 1346275337 167793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*finite sums
< 1346275378 75688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1346275435 307049 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, this is the looooooooooooooongest single Haskell function I have ever written
< 1346275452 741175 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even longer than the factorial calculator
< 1346275491 844196 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :attriq: share it please
< 1346275538 530530 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*atriq ..pardon
< 1346275543 746117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if it doesn't fit in our universe?
< 1346275554 592551 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not THAT long
< 1346275559 88941 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 60 lines
< 1346275572 973198 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a Fueue interpreter
< 1346275583 326398 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop down that pants
< 1346275586 305855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's still long for haskell
< 1346275602 6646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah let us horribly dissect it!
< 1346275610 887585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is that not motivational.  i forget.
< 1346275625 243831 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a case expression, in a monad, in a Kleisli wrapper
< 1346275639 337992 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its type is Kleisli (MaybeT (StateT Integer IO)) (Sequence FueueItem) (Sequence FueueItem)
< 1346275660 702865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you mean Seq
< 1346275663 346051 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1346275665 632905 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably
< 1346275704 345933 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey http://www.reddit.com/user/PresidentObama/comments/ worked for me
< 1346275717 627215 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a mirror
< 1346275772 936408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you know what categories can do-notation work with? Does it work with Cartesian closed categories in general?
< 1346275785 89550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: that feels a bit like overkill :P
< 1346275796 761714 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in an overkill mood
< 1346275835 327054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well in haskell even with options afaik it's always desugared to use ordinary lambdas, so seems hard to get very general
< 1346275839 733028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in ghc
< 1346275863 279805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't mean in Haskell, I mean in general.
< 1346275879 955291 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, have this? http://pastie.org/4612756
< 1346275888 201293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh cartesian closed categories are supposedly what you need to be able to embed typed lambda calculus
< 1346275923 102308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably you could desugar using that embedding?
< 1346275925 150714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the case that categories supporting do-notation are those which all monads are applicative?
< 1346275946 691674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you are way over my head :P
< 1346276719 19932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure?
< 1346276747 47522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure
< 1346276953 240566 :nortti-!~juhani@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )
< 1346277489 16195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it seems hard in fueue to move information conditionally leftward
< 1346277827 173762 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I'm up to <
< 1346277988 325601 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1346278060 354845 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346278210 203275 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl MaybeT (StateT Int IO) (Seq FueueItem)
< 1346278210 386263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int -> IO (Maybe (Seq FueueItem), Int)
< 1346279000 949769 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl StateT Int (MaybeT IO) (Seq) (FueueItem)
< 1346279001 134549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `unmtl' failed with: `Int -> IO (Maybe (Seq, Int))' is not a type function.
< 1346279007 653871 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl StateT Int (MaybeT IO) (Seq FueueItem)
< 1346279007 812861 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int -> IO (Maybe (Seq FueueItem, Int))
< 1346279117 499867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this @unmtl is just fueuetile
< 1346279481 319793 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, got it right
< 1346279523 519464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1346279597 521993 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-133.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1346279854 69784 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/73921
< 1346279880 855864 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reading about Push3

< 1346279926 989746 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that's the crazy function in there
< 1346279994 70334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh i think the obama post is already no. 3 ever on reddit
< 1346280039 766884 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, are you learning another goddamn language
< 1346280065 550807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: someone doesn't like if then else :P
< 1346280069 56772 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, if it helps, it's not a general purpose language, and even I can't twist it as such.
< 1346280087 494447 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, someone realised he didn't have to use Ordering way too late, and has now switched
< 1346280094 7297 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean Clojure, in which case, yes.
< 1346280100 106548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1346280109 663677 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for--
< 1346280121 68099 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to if-then-else)
< 1346280125 129794 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only are you learning another goddamn language, you're two-timing as well?
< 1346280131 201558 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait
< 1346280149 124019 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the first case expression, I've switched it to an if-then-else
< 1346280155 511806 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, again, Push3, which I only heard of for the first time today, is probably not realistically usable as a general purpose language.
< 1346280156 220871 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the others remain case expressions
< 1346280352 965239 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sentences you don't hear often: "Actually, it's probably the lack of Mormon Jesus"
< 1346280366 383147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: hm i see it's annoying that you cannot pattern match more than one level on a Seq with a single pattern
< 1346280378 951077 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1346280402 436782 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence all the multiple levels of viewl
< 1346280413 372450 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what dividing by 0 does in Push? Absolutely nothing whatsoever, it's a no-op
< 1346280425 847366 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this implementation of Fueue, it pushes 0
< 1346280445 198152 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is not part of the specification of Fueue)
< 1346280445 344667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: pattern guards might help, perhaps?
< 1346280455 620382 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how
< 1346280486 112029 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I like to try to stick to vanilla Haskell
< 1346280565 854951 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, TOMORROW I LEARN PARSEC
< 1346280571 645345 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't let me not learn Parsec
< 1346280578 519545 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the Haskell parsing library)
< 1346280585 214534 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1346280586 217384 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1346280610 42684 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq don't not learn parsec
< 1346280610 204329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346280614 336031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think it is a good parsing library; you often do not even need the monad operations usually applicative will do.
< 1346280687 961273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also not just a "parsing library", it's a parser COMBINATOR library, and as any rube knows, combinators improve ANYTHING.
< 1346280724 463537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq pattern guards _are_ vanilla haskell, they were added in haskell 2010
< 1346280724 609395 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346281049 443430 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1346281091 655246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh-oh.
< 1346281098 773554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc will never be back. :-(
< 1346281321 595775 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no :(
< 1346281379 390852 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I love how the WP article on Lady Chatterley's Lover has a single paragraph on the actual plot and then the rest of the article is literary criticism and an account of the controversy.
< 1346281618 743939 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346281921 255356 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: In this implementation of Fueue, it pushes 0
< 1346281932 146854 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what implementation?
< 1346281939 85424 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's offline.
< 1346281944 165994 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1346281962 931844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's writing a haskell one
< 1346281980 664246 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1346282003 607052 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, hey do you feel like writing an Eodermdrome interpreter.
< 1346282028 453629 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have all the pain not mistyping fueue
< 1346282041 146841 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you want me to work with "eodermdrome"?
< 1346282070 147032 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346282073 877221 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy enough to remember once you interpret it with its own semantics!
< 1346282083 631999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i made a bigger program )$2[)$--------2~)~~[)[)~(~[~[$~H~]~)%+~91-):]~1+:])]]~[$~H~])%+-91)[65][65]
< 1346282117 874175 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't tell me what it does; I'll save it and as soon as one of my two interpreters works properly I'll try it
< 1346282136 478564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok don't read the logs then as i told atriq :)
< 1346282156 659143 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my logs only go as far as 3 hours ago
< 1346282169 347327 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw apparently someone highlighted me but it's not on my logs)
< 1346282184 552585 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm half joking; the reason Eodermdrome is interesting is also the reason it's a bitch to implement.)
< 1346282196 874258 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric
< 1346282199 423625 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What does it do?
< 1346282211 323738 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1346282212 320838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats FreeFull -----###

< 1346282231 291655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i highlighted you when i made the program
< 1346282236 572947 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on such a channel I'd almost expect everyone to have a public key or something
< 1346282291 741041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have a SSH public key.
< 1346282532 895108 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-104.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346282634 717334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a grid filled with 1 and 0, what is the algorithm to represent it as the fewest number of rectangles such that the rectangles contain all 1 and everywhere that is not inside of a rectangle will be 0 (overlapping rectangles is OK)?
< 1346282833 387882 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346282834 709158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example [110;111;011] becomes [0,0,2,2;1,1,3,3]
< 1346282862 561245 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree
< 1346282875 923699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You disagree with what?
< 1346282880 349215 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 rectangle is always enough
< 1346282891 497024 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since 0 is never enough
< 1346282898 302034 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algorithm is pretty easy :)
< 1346282909 289284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually 0 is sometimes enough, and 1 is not always enough.
< 1346282926 659133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example [00000;00000;00000;00000] becomes [] no rectangles are required.
< 1346282928 621363 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 1 is not always enough then I haven't understood the problem properly
< 1346282928 990422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think zzo38 meant there to be any 0's inside the rectangles, although i too read it that way at first
< 1346282965 315183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I mean that all points inside one or more rectangles are 1 and all other points are 0. Sorry if I have been unclear.
< 1346282977 137553 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-104.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346282977 854031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an example, in case that helps.
< 1346282993 18054 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok
< 1346282999 548101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand the problem, although i'm not sure there is a unique solution always
< 1346283021 737637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The solution needs not be unique; any one will do.
< 1346283024 942927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact there clearly isn't always
< 1346283030 978545 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346283050 554087 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing (but not certain) a greedy algorithm would do the job
< 1346283081 152537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the opposite end, i can imagine this being NP-complete
< 1346283150 29061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly don't know an efficient algorithm, anyway
< 1346283393 334023 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :honestbob
< 1346283399 386289 :honestbob!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1346283427 987645 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you prove "take the first 1, then find the biggest rectangle that englobes it, then continue with the next 1" doesn't work?
< 1346283454 884946 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though "continue with the next one" is hiding the "it can overlap" problem)
< 1346283477 745533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed you meant "next uncovered one"
< 1346283739 410968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on the spot, no
< 1346283860 680434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suddenly got a strong intuition not to think about it
< 1346284006 656414 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, next uncovered one
< 1346284127 588302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why you got a strong intuition not to think about it?
< 1346284164 636945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my) intuition never gives reasons.
< 1346284235 575091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can guess that i'm too tired to think it through.
< 1346284974 777203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also try to think of the best way to make WizardCard programming language; perhaps the syntax should be made more like Lisp and/or Scheme. Intentions are that it includes:  * Open macros (new patterns can be added in other files, and new list items too)  * Compiles to Haskell ((->) category is probably too weak, so use a Kleisli category or something)  * First-class functions  * First-class rulebooks (like Inform 7 rulebooks)  * Mechanism to read
< 1346284980 528043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(did this get cut off?)
< 1346285001 96986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*
< 1346285001 243028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :              Mechanism to read
< 1346285011 518764 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Mechanism to read text from Magic: the Gathering and other games to convert to AST
< 1346285016 75809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is all.
< 1346285279 986518 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: by "WizardCard programming language" do you mean some kind of Dvorak language?
< 1346285310 150599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: No. It is the name of the programming language. I have already done a few things but I intend to change it a bit.
< 1346285347 52887 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I assume you didn't name it so for no reason
< 1346285361 316119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course there is a reaon.
< 1346285361 544485 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346285526 590888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason is for implementing Magic: the Gathering cards although it could be used for other purposes too.
< 1346285570 17553 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's great!
< 1346285589 332127 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvorak is a game where you can create the cards while playing
< 1346285616 485346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is capable to do that too; I don't know yet.
< 1346285690 887643 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346285850 20755 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-226-42.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1346285900 124851 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346287639 844580 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :imsaguy4
< 1346287657 259094 :imsaguy4!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :imsaguy9
< 1346287677 849517 :imsaguy9!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1346288396 250380 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346289629 130039 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346290372 403281 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :./ofueue ")$2[)$--------2~)~~[)[)~(~[~[$~H~]~)%+~91-):]~1+:])]]~[$~H~])%+-91)[65][65]"
< 1346290372 549367 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fatal error: exception Fueue.Unknown_operand(104)
< 1346290390 205389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1346290390 424434 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was so hoping for it to work immediately
< 1346290411 1852 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 'h' right?
< 1346290418 117192 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 104
< 1346290419 132290 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  'h'
< 1346290442 180160 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the hell did that find a 'h'
< 1346290454 55128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably.  i didn't think H was supposed to be case insensitive...
< 1346290508 174300 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't know what atriq would say about it, but in my implementation 'H' is a function and 'h' is nothing
< 1346290514 779800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it get past the parsing stage?
< 1346290520 71889 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see
< 1346290529 561936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(card (name "Counterspell") (type instant) (mana-cost U U) (text (counter (target spell))))
< 1346290571 675242 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1346290583 935825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that should narrow it down, then :P
< 1346290626 192012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it reads past the final \0?  try rerunning it and see if you get the same number/error
< 1346290643 778236 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always 104
< 1346290652 297302 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :errors are always so weird
< 1346290695 730898 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's try without blocks
< 1346290748 10688 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :72 101 108 108 10 H
< 1346290770 11832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^chr 72 101 108 108 10
< 1346290770 666183 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :�
< 1346290776 461595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack
< 1346290785 678319 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :./ofueue "72 101 108 108 10 H"got passed it hehe
< 1346290785 920970 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fatal error: exception Invalid_argument("char_of_int")
< 1346290808 757532 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so without blocks it can pass the parser
< 1346290821 933833 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not sure whether it passes it right; I'll make a print function
< 1346290850 820282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're definitely going to need a print function if you need to trace execution...
< 1346290916 212508 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I see nothing wrong with the only use of char_of_int
< 1346290933 75128 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :    | Num x -> print_char (char_of_int x)
< 1346290944 521117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you went back to ocaml?
< 1346290950 850079 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1346290960 231762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346291001 335632 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now both versions are at the stage "there's at least one thing wrong somewhere but you have no idea wheeeeeere"
< 1346291010 620375 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the part I hate in programming
< 1346291037 89041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well make a print_queue function so you can see exactly what is on the queue at each step until it crashes.
< 1346291096 236105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's much easier to debug if you can see exactly when the data starts getting wrong
< 1346291631 754619 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :./ofueue "72 101 108 108 10 H"
< 1346291632 73919 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :600 5429 5436 5436 538 H
< 1346291648 623695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1346291652 591845 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least I got the number of numbers right :)
< 1346291658 954983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t readInt 
< 1346291660 118543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a -> (Char -> Bool) -> (Char -> Int) -> String -> [(a, String)]
< 1346291679 991782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> readInt 10 (const True) ord "72"
< 1346291680 981099 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(600,"")]
< 1346291697 381971 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you just did
< 1346291726 241691 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that haskell or something?
< 1346291727 956190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so.  you are forgetting to subtract int_of_char '0'  or whatever it's called
< 1346291731 321285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1346291737 840904 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh of course
< 1346291749 544943 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that because of the C program
< 1346291800 566561 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, switching back to ocaml I was like "no need to substract now, we have the int_of_char function
< 1346291800 712521 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346291809 261858 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346291922 728353 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, 72 101 blabla works
< 1346291934 246575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1346291944 533163 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fatal error: exception Fueue.Unknown_operand(104)
< 1346291953 486342 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that would have been too easy
< 1346291980 610762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :try something simpler like ):[):]
< 1346292011 435059 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I recall correctly that's an infinite loop
< 1346292014 800785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1346292030 922843 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be working
< 1346292055 624670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to find a minimal breaking example, then
< 1346292076 589662 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'll try on empty
< 1346292102 760385 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, empty works
< 1346292130 101085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that, i mean taking the program which doesn't work, and try smaller pieces of it
< 1346292155 698793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you find the smallest piece which breaks
< 1346292214 756831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)$2[)$--------2~)~~[)[)~(~[~[$~H~]~)%+~91-):]~1+:])]]~[$~H~])%+-91)[65][65]
< 1346292236 333400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :say )$2[)$--------2~)~~[)[)~(~[~[$~H~]~)%+~91-):]~1+:])]]
< 1346292284 484825 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :./ofueue "+-*/%:~!$(<)H"
< 1346292284 723961 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :./ofueue "+-*/%:~"))[[H]]"(<)H"
< 1346292284 901581 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-bash: syntax error near unexpected token `)'
< 1346292293 177728 :Concreto!~Pina@187.33.253.41 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346292303 386175 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny I thought no fueue function had to be escaped
< 1346292308 266189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um you have a " in there.
< 1346292350 6555 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1346292379 361867 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ! was replaced by my previous argument
< 1346292381 565790 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently
< 1346292391 772536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :use '' instead of "" to escape, anyway
< 1346292402 450967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to quote
< 1346292411 829667 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1346292453 950451 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so the program "sequence of all fueue functions" works
< 1346292480 614160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said, try breaking the non-working program down.
< 1346292481 262989 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1346292489 170942 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be working
< 1346292500 316146 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :./ofueue ')$2[)$--------2~)~~[)[)~(~[~[$~H~]~)%+~91-):]~1+:])]]'
< 1346292500 648751 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)$2 [)$--------2 ~)~~[)[)~(~[~[$~H~]~)%+~91 -):]~1 +:])]]
< 1346292500 794832 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :got passed it hehe
< 1346292523 412873 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I have no idea what it is supposed to do, so I can't tell if it's behaving properly or not
< 1346292535 610749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm have you tried '' around the whole program?  maybe it was quoting problems all along.
< 1346292540 965330 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was parsed correctly
< 1346292568 252059 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeaaaaah
< 1346292574 623266 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :works as well
< 1346292587 135923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do? >:)
< 1346292600 639146 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it waits for me to input something
< 1346292612 109707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops.  it's not supposed to do that.
< 1346292671 73739 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so now must be the time where I confess I kind of skipped the input part of the program, and replace it with a "read_int")
< 1346292700 558289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you might, except my program isn't supposed to do any input :(
< 1346292742 557044 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your program work? :p
< 1346292746 146595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is of course the possibility of bugs
< 1346292765 323967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have only emulated it by hand
< 1346292789 944140 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well trying a program we're not sure of against an interpreter we're not sure of was optimistic
< 1346292815 399265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it print anything before asking for input?
< 1346292831 56969 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints the program and "got passed it hehe"
< 1346292846 495705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i get a print of the queue just before it asks for input?
< 1346292850 401119 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :./ofueue ')$2[)$--------2~)~~[)[)~(~[~[$~H~]~)%+~91-):]~1+:])]]~[$~H~])%+-91)[65][65]'
< 1346292850 632366 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)$2 [)$--------2 ~)~~[)[)~(~[~[$~H~]~)%+~91 -):]~1 +:])]]~[$~H~])%+-91 )[65 ][65 ]
< 1346292850 972023 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :got passed it hehe
< 1346292851 254306 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :66
< 1346292851 408674 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :66
< 1346292851 643696 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fatal error: exception Invalid_argument("char_of_int")
< 1346292857 943598 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1346292870 33495 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's add a print_queue somewhere in the middle
< 1346292932 854057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem to print an equivalent program
< 1346292968 153313 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only difference should be: removed all the whitespace, and added one whitespace after each number
< 1346292984 149332 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so as to not be confused by two consecutive numbers)
< 1346293001 552717 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohgod
< 1346293011 424872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1346293012 740056 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, fasten your seatbelt
< 1346293038 279529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1346293079 712476 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/rafSr1KR
< 1346293125 933521 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, crap
< 1346293139 183230 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the print_queue function doesn't make a difference between - 2 and -2
< 1346293153 595051 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'll make the space appear before numbers instead of after
< 1346293164 186527 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346293173 162655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh right.  i used _2 for the number when designing it :P
< 1346293245 841377 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/TEJcPYyr
< 1346293257 957209 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though all minuses were the function, I think
< 1346293288 892304 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to ask for input just before applying minus to 2
< 1346293301 429210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope not, there should definitely be some negative numbers in there
< 1346293326 717583 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so here is what goes after input
< 1346293366 851967 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/bmS873ub
< 1346293381 10630 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this follows the previous paste, and 66 and 67 are my inputs)
< 1346293463 60731 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably a problem with my interpreter though, cause the line seems too long to have been processed entirely since the last function was executed
< 1346293568 99815 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the char_of_int error was cause by trying to print a negative number
< 1346293570 259220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i guess there's a length miscalculation
< 1346293604 789029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't do that, although i guess reading a character into it will mess things up
< 1346293643 718161 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so the length is calculated this way:
< 1346293655 815917 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the function "main" which processes the queue has only one argument, "time"
< 1346293677 655453 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time is supposed to be equal to the number of "sendback" operations since last active operation
< 1346293706 557594 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a global variable "fength" which is supposed to be equal, at all time, to the length of the queue
< 1346293722 725769 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try replacing it with Queue.length fueue or whatever
< 1346293790 301200 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems to be working
< 1346293806 374468 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the print_queue flooding prevents me from knowing what it does
< 1346293847 538957 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :./ofueue ')$2[)$--------2~)~~[)[)~(~[~[$~H~]~)%+~91-):]~1+:])]]~[$~H~])%+-91)[65][65]'
< 1346293847 855726 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)$ 2[)$-------- 2~)~~[)[)~(~[~[$~H~]~)%+~ 91-):]~ 1+:])]]~[$~H~])%+- 91)[ 65][ 65]
< 1346293848 88340 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :got passed it hehe
< 1346293848 236703 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
< 1346293850 765892 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeaaaaaaaah
< 1346293855 872367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1346293894 650881 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to replace the read_int by a function that does what you said it should do
< 1346293904 631482 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then this will be THE FIRST FUEUE INTERPRETER
< 1346293920 167992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent
< 1346293992 905750 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at first when I read about befunge and esolangs it all sounded like 90's and early 2000's
< 1346294022 144102 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all those articles about "the now defunct xxx mailing list"
< 1346294047 492175 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1346294047 638990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mailing list was nice :(
< 1346294079 596341 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I talked with ais and he told me he did a lot of esolangs
< 1346294090 893235 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP mailing list, 90s-early 2000s
< 1346294092 777066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the community is somewhat smaller now, i think.
< 1346294094 189579 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it was nice"
< 1346294107 304898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're not dead yet
< 1346294107 474153 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I found 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and even 2012 created esolangs
< 1346294115 748014 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this channel
< 1346294120 685113 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, depends, are we including people who make Brainfuck derivatives?
< 1346294125 199197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: NO
< 1346294127 378183 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I'm part of history now
< 1346294157 718965 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Most of us don't talk esolangs much, TBH.
< 1346294172 839554 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though that's not to say we're uninterested in it. :))
< 1346294176 528695 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not bilingual??
< 1346294218 38689 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :いや、しかし、日本語はイソラングじゃないと思う。
< 1346294302 884861 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION digs out his very rusty japanese

< 1346294321 435916 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uh, well, Japanese isn't an esolang, I think."
< 1346294332 676545 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, more idiomatic.
< 1346294333 70356 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no, shisomethingshi, nihonsomeeeeeeethingitoblacksomething
< 1346294341 519646 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uh, well, I don't think Japanese is an esolang."
< 1346294368 388999 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my japanese interpreter doesn't work well, apparently
< 1346294408 680426 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"iya, shikashi, nihongo wa isorangu ja nai to omou" or, more pedantically, "iya, sikasi, nihonnkò ha isorannkù sìȳanai to omou"
< 1346294429 29546 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :イソラングじ izoranguji ?
< 1346294434 768576 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1346294465 374779 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, the tokenization is a bit different there. ;)
< 1346294557 937603 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, じ is most definitely ji, isn't it?
< 1346294584 840473 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, shi is like the only syllable I always remember correctly
< 1346294598 313355 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that mora doesn't exist in that sentence. じゃ is "ja", not "jiya".
< 1346294607 174567 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1346294638 976353 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I confused that with a miniature "tsu" which would double the next syllable
< 1346294654 195041 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it looks a little like the sokuon.
< 1346294722 297487 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :つっやゃ Yeah, some similarity I guess.
< 1346294746 699436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small "tsu" does not double the next syllable it should be like a pause, romaji written by doubling the next consonant which is also what it is like.
< 1346294764 344888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese writing is not by syllables anyways it is by moras.
< 1346294858 339109 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be very technical, small "tsu" indicates gemination of the next consonant.
< 1346294866 40914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1346294871 345808 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard mora before today, but I'm guessing it's some kind of japanese translation of syllable? :p
< 1346294872 89122 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :morae
< 1346294875 624798 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: no
< 1346294882 484324 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: It's actually a Latin origin term.
< 1346294891 434642 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1346294943 331429 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: A "mora" is a unit of sound between a syllable and a phoneme...
< 1346294949 116234 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Most* kana are a single mora.
< 1346294990 468995 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the n kana a whole mora?
< 1346295005 608451 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the ones where you have a compound sound (like with a small "ya", "yu", or "yo") are a single mora from two kana.
< 1346295007 909523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the small kanas are not a whole mora except for a small tsu.
< 1346295008 610213 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Yes.
< 1346295021 955593 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You're right.
< 1346295040 351381 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small tsu is a mora.
< 1346295051 580530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big kanas always are a mora, I think.
< 1346295061 226927 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :にっぽん is 4 morae.
< 1346295063 813790 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346295066 159190 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think so, yeah.
< 1346295110 882267 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the moon hits ya eye like a big pizza pie, that's a morae....
< 1346295124 613969 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Also, e.g. とうきょう is 4 morae but only two syllables.
< 1346295162 403769 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to u somethingo u ?
< 1346295169 853867 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :toukyou
< 1346295196 189007 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so close :)
< 1346295211 242092 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting
< 1346295223 381339 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346295228 919377 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why isn't it written (tsu)to(tsu)kyo?
< 1346295230 188815 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:52 < pikhq_> toukyou
< 1346295254 754267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Why would it be? That doesn't make sense
< 1346295264 735199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be a different word.
< 1346295275 345407 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Because it's not ttokkyo?
< 1346295285 453917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except, n and small tsu never comes first as far as I know.
< 1346295289 548853 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that doubles the consonaaaaaaant
< 1346295341 493292 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been so long I was completely confusing the "u" thing and the "tsu" thing
< 1346295346 612688 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If somehow it did, the small tsu would probably be a glottal stop.
< 1346295388 495699 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: And apparently ん starts a couple loan words?
< 1346295445 713170 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, other Japonic languages apparently start words with it.
< 1346295991 465627 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: according to the reference manual, "input_char stdin" should have the behaviour you were expecting
< 1346296051 617369 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when trying it on the empty fueue program though, it looks like there is nothing to trigger the end of "waiting for an input"
< 1346296062 132563 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :niether ^D nor enter
< 1346296222 43557 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 'ABCD' | ./ofueue ' '   prints ABCD then Fatal error: exception End_of_file
< 1346296361 147360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: iirc (it's been a long time since i did ocaml) to handle EOF you actually need to catch that exception.
< 1346296502 352827 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try (input_char stdin) with | End_of_file -> WAIT FOR MORE
< 1346296557 229808 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap, 5am
< 1346296575 273801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: pretty much.
< 1346296590 162061 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, do i get to have my name in the wiki for my interpreter or something? :)
< 1346296600 783518 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with a few fueue programs
< 1346296624 726977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: sure
< 1346296697 791523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that everything put directly on the wiki must be public domain / CC0 licensed
< 1346296754 944386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not very good for large programs.
< 1346296795 24763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible to do literate Haskell directly on the wiki.
< 1346296803 259972 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It still needs to be public domain)
< 1346296827 535611 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't know much about licenses but "CC0" doesn't sound so scary
< 1346296856 837092 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it stands for the same commutative commons as wikipedia, or something
< 1346296857 388097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC0 is public domain; no copyright.
< 1346296866 889337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it is not the same as Wikipedia.
< 1346296867 533938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically means "as close to public domain as we can get in your jurisdiction"
< 1346296888 39723 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ok with that
< 1346296889 565093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it's creative commons, but a different license
< 1346296937 595101 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the main question is, is my code readable enough and will it not put shame on me or something :p)
< 1346296956 587611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :larger programs are usually put elsewhere and linked from the wiki.
< 1346296983 295507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we haven't actually _seen_ that much of your code, have we >:)
< 1346297020 415965 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can send it to you by email or something
< 1346297031 110669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1346297063 973704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it's fine, anyway
< 1346297084 347033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(elliott will be merciless regardless >:) )
< 1346297112 479058 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for that fength bug which I "corrected" by replacing fength by Queue.length fueue when it was used
< 1346297135 338271 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means I have a lot of function trying to keep the correct length at all time, and who fail at that
< 1346297183 366204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can always remove that part when you use Queue.length instead.
< 1346297236 625545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be constant time, anyhow, although i'm not sure how to see the source
< 1346297239 344363 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaand bug fixed
< 1346297281 222914 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346297286 118594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact _if_ Queue.length is constant time, it's sort of silly to keep track yourself.
< 1346297295 794253 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point
< 1346297325 570362 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm guessing they would have mentioned it if it was constant time
< 1346297366 9616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they considered it obvious.
< 1346297427 714756 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that; List.length's and Queue.length's description are quasi-identical, and List.length is definitely not constant time
< 1346297474 394788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's only constant time if they cache the length
< 1346297515 891936 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is, if they cached the length then Queue.length would be using "something you can't use" and they would have said it
< 1346297532 444224 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same way they said Queue.transfer was constant time
< 1346297563 739436 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask someone tomorrow
< 1346297722 941789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be easy if i could just find the source :(
< 1346297837 340730 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm note sure there even is an ocaml source
< 1346297934 481575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i managed to find a stackoverflow thread about it
< 1346297993 873244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The queue's length is "
< 1346297994 19248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :33    also recorded, so as to make [length] a constant-time operation. 
< 1346298000 306417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://caml.inria.fr/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/ocaml/version/4.00/stdlib/queue.ml?revision=12217&view=markup
< 1346298102 356348 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :urh, they made it cyclic
< 1346298143 686133 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win then, I'm removing all fength stuff
< 1346298193 807880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1346298260 717097 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, how is length a constant time operation?
< 1346298307 414205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: because it's stored in the structure
< 1346298316 554713 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1346298345 741169 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hell is that
< 1346298347 317432 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail = Obj.magic None
< 1346298360 100363 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you it was magic
< 1346298423 665485 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this library looks almost more like C than Ocaml though
< 1346298497 412247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall back when i was looking at ocaml, their yacc-alike was a C program modified to output ocaml source :)
< 1346298569 557512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if they've rewritten ocamlyacc in ocaml proper
< 1346298619 944302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: iiuc that tail = Obj.magic None was because they didn't want the space overhead of _actually_ using options
< 1346298642 112239 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1346298663 446506 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Obj.magic basically means "do what you want while pretending you're not doing it"?
< 1346298745 200931 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :external magic : 'a -> 'b = "%identity"   that reminds me... I have never used the objective part of ocaml
< 1346298753 589225 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, have a good night
< 1346298759 225697 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever's left of it
< 1346298764 726721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night
< 1346298808 502684 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you or atriq want me to send them my interpreter my email is ltn.koen@gmail.com
< 1346298818 902779 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric
< 1346298849 21528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Not much, anyhow
< 1346298884 770309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346298966 274035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346299482 780552 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" The idea behind the build is allowing people to explode a watermelon with their mind using a Star Wars Force Trainer EEG toy."
< 1346300139 422865 :xuzh1!~xuzh@134.134.139.72 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346300200 24058 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-104.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346300218 259043 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346300223 46974 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346300831 299667 :Concreto!~Pina@187.33.253.41 QUIT :Quit: Concreto
< 1346300844 266821 :Concreto!~Pina@187.33.253.41 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346300872 704805 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Making sure a baby is still breathing with lasers and a wiimote"
< 1346300889 152912 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HOME OF THE WIKI WEAPON. A COLLABORATIVE PROJECT TO CREATE FREELY AVAILABLE PLANS FOR 3D PRINTABLE GUNS."
< 1346300898 988615 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid cyberpunk future
< 1346301140 670877 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : CC0 is public domain; no copyright.
< 1346301148 739150 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as oerjan said, this may or may not be true, depending on your jurisdiction
< 1346301171 13726 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some places copyright is one of those rights you can't sign away, and there's no way to dedicate your work to the public domain other than to die and wait x years
< 1346301203 398078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know that. But why do some juristictions have that?
< 1346301217 227179 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so CC0 attempts to provide as broad a license as possible, in very explicit terms
< 1346301233 478924 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it's a good deal more verbose than WTFPL or your standard "public domain dedication"
< 1346301240 500976 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC0 is a pointer to whatever the least restrictive status is.
< 1346301256 191346 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a pretty long document
< 1346301265 928927 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying *conceptually* that's what it is.
< 1346301270 743966 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't just say "This shall be under the least restrictive status"
< 1346301276 836408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I understand, it would make it public domain if possible. WTFPL is like public domain but always copyright and much shorter
< 1346301291 559677 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it enumerates in some detail all the things you are explicitly allowed to do
< 1346301297 533351 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's conceptually very different from a "pointer"
< 1346301324 42893 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i don't know why you can't sign away copyright.  perhaps legislators thought that employers would force their employees to do so?
< 1346301329 887576 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it like the other CC licenses, where it refers to a different license for each country?
< 1346301341 868622 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think in such jurisdictions you can still assign copyright to your employer for work for hire
< 1346301356 429007 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i don't believe so
< 1346301359 326255 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, no, it's a single text.
< 1346301369 996424 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/legalcode
< 1346301380 804552 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was like the other CCs.
< 1346301401 104173 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it waives other copyright-like things, and provides a warranty disclaimer
< 1346301420 553067 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you don't automatically get with WTFPL etc
< 1346301438 255997 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it's a much more general MIT license.
< 1346301453 177521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes; WTFPL is designed to be very simple.
< 1346301478 265114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC0 is designed to be very complete.
< 1346301528 178127 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC0 lacks this restriction from the MIT license: "The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software."
< 1346301576 863254 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right.
< 1346301588 129337 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MIT is merely mostly permissive, not all-permissive.
< 1346301588 275343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they should include CC0 in Haskell cabal if you push "public domain" it include CC0 in case it is not public domain in your jurisdiction.
< 1346301642 543068 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that would be nice
< 1346301698 719438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people have told me not to select public domain license because some jurisdictions do not allow it.
< 1346301857 370530 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently defensedistributed.com succeeded in 3D printing an AR-15 lower receiver
< 1346301929 466205 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's going to do some interesting things to gun laws.
< 1346301990 876315 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1346302015 574613 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is significant because the lower receiver is the part which is legally a gun in the USA
< 1346302021 993629 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of the parts can be purchased without restriction
< 1346302062 931108 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Firearms require a good deal more precision than a Bre Pettis bobblehead"
< 1346302081 41115 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahaha
< 1346302108 182205 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you make functioning (if shitty) guns in practically any garage?
< 1346302118 500075 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i've heard
< 1346302224 200945 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it will suck compared to an AR-15 made with real parts except for the LR, which doesn't have much mechanical or heat stress anyway
< 1346302305 950884 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1346302322 544341 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An AR-15 with stock-parts-modulo-the-lower-receiver is, well, a real modern firearm.
< 1346302332 980474 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-104.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1346302384 244798 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also I think it's not hard to just buy a complete AR-15 in the USA
< 1346302411 167805 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not.
< 1346302467 463273 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I understand it's no harder than any other firearm.
< 1346302482 450839 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and printing the LR doesn't particularly help you convert it to full auto, or add other illegal stuff
< 1346302510 851012 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does mean you could get your hands on one without complying with purchasing restrictions though.
< 1346302534 831722 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :california has strict rules about assault rifles
< 1346302543 939115 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can just drive to nevada
< 1346302566 886352 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's federal purchasing regulations that you wouldn't need to deal with, either...
< 1346302576 513142 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1346302579 771368 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about those
< 1346304154 24515 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.166.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1346304291 724760 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346304330 733525 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346304686 256289 :Concreto!~Pina@187.33.253.41 QUIT :Quit: Concreto
< 1346305925 185455 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346307113 267486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see my code (card ...) I have posted earlier today?
< 1346307273 334887 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the following is going to be played at the academic sessions for first years in the math faculty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQHaGhC7C2E
< 1346307515 258144 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :orientation should be good this year
< 1346308974 837826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teleportation needs orientations.
< 1346309128 341852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see my code (card ...) I have posted earlier today? I would intend that WizardCard compiler would read such things as part of a larger program, and then compile it into a Haskell code (not only in one place, but considering its effects on the rest of the program so that part gets compiled elsewhere too).
< 1346309532 444782 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not
< 1346309734 25817 :xuzh1!~xuzh@134.134.139.72 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1346309744 518591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you know anything about such things?
< 1346309756 296156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Read the logs if it is necessary to do so)
< 1346309907 577154 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the time
< 1346309921 989843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then please don't.
< 1346309969 608009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or do you not have the time for "don't" either?)
< 1346309973 550888 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hha
< 1346309977 216784 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that
< 1346310914 977521 :xuzh1!~xuzh@134.134.139.72 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346311317 533439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: Hold second one as you hold a pencil.
< 1346312482 971947 :xuzh1!~xuzh@134.134.139.72 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1346312659 512118 :xuzh1!~xuzh@134.134.139.72 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346312659 780478 :xuzh1!~xuzh@134.134.139.72 PART :#esoteric
< 1346314437 745518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1346314470 259152 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1346314640 232460 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346315284 934115 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: does don't take > 0 time?
< 1346315326 777173 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"don't" is surely an overhead
< 1346315792 861614 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346316712 156532 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346316739 761193 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346317791 260134 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1346317805 922448 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346319109 50623 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-2-132.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346319707 510859 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that I have no idea how to write a parser
< 1346319707 701962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1346319712 400047 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1346319712 580173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover said 10h 51m 42s ago: don't not learn parsec
< 1346319712 732778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 10h 49m 48s ago: pattern guards _are_ vanilla haskell, they were added in haskell 2010
< 1346319738 638742 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover I won't not learn parsec!
< 1346319738 793025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346319754 660575 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Wow, I better learn them too!
< 1346319754 806708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346319978 235668 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1346320017 22615 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346320102 244209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You take some kind of input, and produce a parse tree or some other kind of parsed result; that's how you write a parser.
< 1346320117 351796 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1346320122 51116 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You learn something every day
< 1346320127 678872 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not even 11 o'clock yet!
< 1346320152 54867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, it is.
< 1346320159 339391 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow!
< 1346320192 512209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime fungot
< 1346320193 575832 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we are become more happy and less fnord, now that/ law is :) universal fnord but many good observers to rank as a geographical race; and possibly hereafter out :)/ mouth have to be admitted.
< 1346320205 631388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, that was based on CTCP time.
< 1346320215 301533 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346320221 30874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should add some CTCP replies some day; VERSION, at least.
< 1346320379 180463 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.41.216 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346320512 884199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346321318 42203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1346323087 847919 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8909F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346323814 544398 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346323838 778057 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1346323855 26015 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: so how's that Haskell interpreter going?
< 1346323879 641765 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I had a question: in the initial program, is it possible to use negative numbers?
< 1346323905 787376 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, what's the distinction between "the function - followed by a positive number" and "a negative number"?
< 1346324089 546007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346324453 332275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 kilobel per second is far too slow for a software package download, right?
< 1346324462 282940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume it means kilobyte)
< 1346324663 4241 :TeruFSX!~quassel@174-20-4-203.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1346324830 757359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; it could also mean, you know, 30 kilobel; i.e. 300 000 dB. Did it mention a bandwidth too? You could use that and the Shannon-Hartley theorem to get bits per second out of it.
< 1346324851 119500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no obvious bandwidth mentioned
< 1346324862 539254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 kilobel is a really good channel, anyway.
< 1346324878 144913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also loud enough to destroy the Earth if interpreted as sound intensity
< 1346324894 531871 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-152-254.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346324922 921297 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :global security recommends that you don't download this package
< 1346324925 24524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming the standard reference value, at least.
< 1346324927 588922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm waiting for cygwin to install all packages matching *ocaml* on a work computer
< 1346324936 805111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's spending a long time just on the download
< 1346324942 389561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: huh, didn't expect to see you here
< 1346324947 891019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :small world indeed…
< 1346324974 723943 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you're kind of the one who brought me here
< 1346324976 582137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit hard to say whether the "kilobel" is a kilobyte or a kilobit without any other context. It's reasonably slow in both cases, though.
< 1346325152 246021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've seen capital B for bit before
< 1346325157 602535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's commonly misused for byte
< 1346325179 968583 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be like using capital M for the minimum function
< 1346325205 127835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's possible to argue that KB genuinely does mean kilobyte or perhaps even kibibyte (because capital K is not an SI prefix), but kB, as shown in the Cygwin installer, is pretty uncontroversially kilobel :)
< 1346325246 406315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it was as "KB".
< 1346325247 527539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, *ocaml* seems like too broad a pattern (it includes, for instance, Emacs' ocaml-mode, which means it pulls in all of Emacs), but it's not me who's doing the install, just me who's waiting for it to finish
< 1346325341 175924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm TIL: trollface.{png,jpg} dates from 2008, I somehow assumed it was much older
< 1346325424 503233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, kB is as uncontroversially kilobel as kb is a kilobarn.
< 1346325440 881609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346325455 553398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346325573 315939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346325580 630067 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346325585 800198 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1346325689 924332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was noisy.
< 1346326019 249550 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346326142 697553 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.41.216 QUIT :Quit: impomatic
< 1346326195 32302 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1346326367 68469 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, it isn't possible to have negative numbers in the initial program
< 1346326381 24380 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1346326394 642417 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ocaml interpreter seems to be following all specifications then :)
< 1346326396 493194 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm struggling to write a parser  because I suck at parsers
< 1346326406 904270 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I can't type because Guitar Hero
< 1346326412 528494 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346326414 930011 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My fingers hurt now
< 1346326418 616638 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1346326450 726884 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not let me try to do Cliffs of Dover past medium difficulty
< 1346326476 220933 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of curiosity, what are you using for blocks?
< 1346326484 133668 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same structure as for the main queue?
< 1346326486 870981 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1346326508 93775 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was doing with the C version but in Ocaml it sounded way more natural to use simple lists
< 1346326508 755609 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was what I intended when I wrote the spec, I tried to make them as close to actual queues as possible
< 1346326522 206391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I had the thought "Guitar hero? But then shouldn't that mean it's your feet that hurt."
< 1346326527 683095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brains: sometimes they don't work.
< 1346326535 209168 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1346326542 536663 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since blocks are not executed, they don't need to be in an actual queue
< 1346326587 491851 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only functions on them are "add one element" and "deblock it all"
< 1346326602 240195 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1346326607 443212 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's convenient to have them the same as the main queue, because they are essentially the same as the main queue in terms of how they can be used
< 1346326629 630164 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, the elements are added to the back, but when it's deblocked, they are deblocked front first
< 1346326637 907549 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1346326652 385359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : OMG no. You didn't just write "Some of the GNU Fortran runtime is written in m4."
< 1346326659 374130 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the deblock function reverses the list, which is not constant time, but I think it's worth it
< 1346326671 54766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: you have an OCaml interp?
< 1346326675 328837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is it written in?
< 1346326677 46797 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Fueue
< 1346326685 799550 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, a Fueue interpreter written in ocaml
< 1346326689 213856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1346326701 344901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a bit of a large lang for writing custom interps for
< 1346326709 855842 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1346326732 810118 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the project to write an interpreter in ocaml for a reduced set of ocaml
< 1346326740 985280 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was so boring
< 1346326772 675313 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was all "if you meet a sum, then sum it. if you meet a function application, then applicate the function. if you meet an x, do an x."
< 1346326825 114768 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by "reduced set" I mean "lists, variables, constants, let...in, if...then...else, function application, and very very few other things"
< 1346326895 360821 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346326992 960116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: that's how interpreters generally work
< 1346326997 897292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why they're often quite easy to write
< 1346327023 356540 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but writing it in its own language made it even more redundant
< 1346327060 619251 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point the question "why the hell did I want to do that?" must have become too loud for me to continue
< 1346327260 248092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We ran a thing in one of our courses on the SICP meta-circular interpreter.
< 1346327274 752482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it had some resource limits (counted as Scheme primitives) to apply.
< 1346327565 230882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my automarker script does its resource limits with alarm and prctl
< 1346327602 646251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prctl is kind-of neat for the purpose, because if something uses too much memory, then malloc ends up getting sigkilled when it tries to call brk
< 1346327717 944340 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my parser works
< 1346327862 369819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But are the time limits exactly fair in terms of executed things? (We later went to Java and setrlimit anyway, though.)
< 1346327871 818559 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, ignoring the 72 line function and the fact it doesn't actually do anything yet, I think I've got a good program
< 1346328843 956376 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always make my programs do something first and then iterate
< 1346328870 116045 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the top-down approach
< 1346328897 527371 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take the "I have no idea what I'm doing" approach
< 1346328901 431931 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't finish many things
< 1346328920 619902 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do depth first
< 1346328925 593093 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes A*
< 1346328937 219497 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but never top down or bottom up, that's just silly
< 1346328986 80724 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting with a program does something has the advantage of you being able to see it do something each time you make a change
< 1346329014 222708 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1346329024 98046 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually that means you play with it for half an hour every time you do anything.
< 1346329046 341250 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a REPL you can just test parts of the program in the same way, rather than the whole program at once
< 1346329082 418299 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: So I should write it all at once and then figure out that I did everything wrong and have to redo it?
< 1346329106 72430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think oklopol's opinion is that you shouldn't write it wrong in the first place.
< 1346329109 579856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He doesn't.)
< 1346329114 902295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I'm remembering someone else.
< 1346329122 931982 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :first of all i'm just saying random things. second of all imo the sensible way is to write a few tests for each function.
< 1346329124 524852 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes you don't even know what you want
< 1346329167 194009 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Let's say I want to write a program for the purpose of "displaying something pretty"
< 1346329176 81381 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I write an automatic test for prettiness? =P
< 1346329220 545826 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true true, and similar with games which are nowadays my main projects
< 1346329241 189103 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyhow you will probably have most of the actual functions doing well-defined things which you can test
< 1346329255 290197 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prettiness is done by finding a nice way to mangle these together
< 1346329260 726497 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe.
< 1346329262 197955 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not.
< 1346329263 176144 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But those I tend to write correctly
< 1346329271 281314 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1346329287 729492 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the important part.
< 1346329293 229960 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares if it actually works
< 1346329302 75849 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine tests are useful if you have a large project and don't want to break anything
< 1346329330 850078 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: can I get a look at your program? I've never seen haskell before
< 1346329343 641895 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This probably won't be the best example
< 1346329388 199481 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/73936
< 1346329429 994280 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not the most literate programmer
< 1346329486 551103 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1346329509 15630 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my items are just "Fun of char, Num of int, Block of item list"
< 1346329528 230106 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer it like this, due to the enhanced safety
< 1346329546 975721 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any illegal character is caught during parsing, and I don't have to worry about adding some later
< 1346329568 220083 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: That code looks very C-ish
< 1346329600 417204 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How so?
< 1346329616 266541 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an insult
< 1346329939 327310 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that C-ish at all?
< 1346329957 989807 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than being nigh-unreadable
< 1346330216 559930 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a simple pattern matching on the functions but I have no idea what it does with those functions
< 1346330257 834917 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work
< 1346330658 942841 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare « (FPop :< fs) -> case viewl fs of EmptyL -> modify succ >> return prog (_ :< fs') -> put 0 >> return fs' »  and « | Fun '!' -> if (matchpeek Any Zero) then ignore (pop ()) else (push (Fun '!'); whatsnext := Sentback) »
< 1346330763 902665 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to start using pattern guards
< 1346330764 585347 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346330968 666422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1346330979 195755 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I'm thinking in C it'd be just a giant switch statement
< 1346331640 787497 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to use more comments, too
< 1346331648 781578 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum apparently my fueue interpreter discards blocks instead of sending them back to the end
< 1346331663 269247 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the deblock function is always sent back even when followed by a block
< 1346331805 426298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Regarding debugging prints and whatever, you could consider adding a trace/single-step kind of mode that'd print the fueue contents (or maybe say up to K first and last items) at each step; it might even be useful for all the Fueue developers, in addition to making debugging easier.
< 1346331809 348672 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES
< 1346331811 993726 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brilliant
< 1346331819 108137 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I worked out what I was doing wrong
< 1346331822 942340 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had < instead of >=
< 1346331846 431145 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it receiving input all the time
< 1346331872 741599 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good idea; I already have a print_queue function I use for debugging but when it works i'll try to add an option to do that
< 1346332296 99943 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: are empty blocks allowed in fueue programs? I may have asked that already
< 1346332362 241871 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1346332404 807653 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-36.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1346332761 800203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346332820 451256 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I think it works
< 1346332826 706813 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try it on the ABCD program
< 1346332858 98300 :nortti!~juhani@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qdb.us/307731
< 1346332902 234886 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346332926 141652 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)$ 2[)$-------- 2~)~~[)[)~(~[~[$~H~]~)%+~ 91-):]~ 1+:])]]~[$~H~])%+- 91)[ 65][ 65]
< 1346332926 362317 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZthis has properly ended
< 1346332947 836943 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: both my Ocaml and C versions of the interpreter work
< 1346332967 557424 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the ocaml versions has some issues with input
< 1346332972 123442 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!
< 1346332989 617961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: See nortti's link; maybe you could be friends?
< 1346332990 685881 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dunno what ephemeral arrays are, i'll leave it at that. any custom adt.
< 1346333347 320164 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine seems to have a problem with it
< 1346333401 603035 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "ABCD" | ./ofueue ' '       prints ABCD then raise an End_of_file error
< 1346333443 700572 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :./ofueue ' '   without the pipe waits for me to make an input, prints it, and then things become weird
< 1346333454 312247 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '\n'
< 1346333455 452996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  10
< 1346333481 531340 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346333508 124421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: No route to host
< 1346333536 43371 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be fixed with something like "try (input_char stdin) with | End_of_file -> wait for more" except I have no idea how to make it understand "wait for more"
< 1346333678 529506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just End_of_file -> -1? 
< 1346333686 723743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming that's the "standard".
< 1346333713 930524 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if I did that it wouldn't wait for my input
< 1346333737 424436 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346333764 661965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, so "input_char stdin" is some kind of a non-blocking thing? That'd be weird.
< 1346333792 417525 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm trying to understand why sometimes it blocks and sometimes not
< 1346333874 534608 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346333928 26112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know OCaml, but I'd certainly expect it would always block unless there is input available to be read, or the end of file has happened. (And after the latter, there won't be any more input ever.)
< 1346333992 445794 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but how do you know whether there is input available to be read?
< 1346334020 14557 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently "there is no input available" and "the next input is end_of_file" are the same
< 1346334029 16917 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1346334056 567341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds very unlikely, but certainly possible.
< 1346334075 231691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that normally, if you don't do any kind of tricks, input functions will in fact wait if there is no input.
< 1346334145 208903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if there is no input but there is still a chance that there could be some input later.
< 1346334162 30198 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it kind of waits, but (at least in the case of the infinite cat loop) it doesn't actually print anything until it reaches end_of_file
< 1346334173 908798 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the problem is with the print_char function then
< 1346334214 844424 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same thing happened yesterday in C when I used printf to debug and the printf didn't print anything cause I hadn't included \n in it
< 1346334263 860786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, stdout-y things tend to be line-buffered by default; but I suppose in most cases your input would have a \n in it, and therefore the output too, and things should become visible at that point.
< 1346334289 870994 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it does with the C program
< 1346334354 790650 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if I type a char followed by enter, it takes the char and the \n; if I type a char and ^D, it takes the char only
< 1346334369 197208 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with the ocaml version ^D has absolutely no effect
< 1346334387 590590 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "enter" does give him a \n but without making things visible
< 1346334446 115280 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to change the buffering settings
< 1346334453 55375 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I know how to do it in Haskell
< 1346334479 237778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly you could just "flush stdout" manually after every output? 
< 1346334516 535595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some googling would sort of indicate that OCaml's stdout/stderr channels are fully buffered by default.
< 1346334605 574268 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's an interesting error
< 1346334626 387132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least based on someone complaining that when he writes complete lines to stdout and stderr, the ordering still gets mixed up.
< 1346334647 383139 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ was broken
< 1346334647 706283 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi
< 1346334670 499346 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ~ab... became b...ba
< 1346334672 393465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's ~duck do? 
< 1346334677 584596 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck
< 1346334677 961123 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- ~duck query
< 1346334678 107246 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Query information from Duck Duck Go
< 1346334683 273421 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck hello
< 1346334683 645452 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello definition: an expression or gesture of greeting used interjectionally in greeting, in answering the telephone, or to express surprise.
< 1346334691 102605 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck laconic
< 1346334691 581548 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  A laconic phrase is a concise or terse statement, named after Laconia, a polis of ancient Greece surrounding the city of Sparta proper.
< 1346334692 118349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it's like Google except with a duck.
< 1346334700 775187 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like a dictionary
< 1346334706 654204 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck fiery
< 1346334706 995990 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiery definition: consisting of fire.
< 1346334712 242430 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck ironic
< 1346334712 637901 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irony  is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or situation in which there is a sharp incongruity or discordance that goes beyond the simple and evident intention of words or actions.
< 1346334715 317696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck ways to make soap
< 1346334715 694049 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information
< 1346334717 555924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw.
< 1346334742 959029 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES
< 1346334746 843992 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's program works
< 1346334761 419965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that DDG was a general-purpose search engine, with all kinds of small inventions.
< 1346334781 250144 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck Hexham
< 1346334781 591999 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information
< 1346334787 824533 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck Helsinki
< 1346334788 207414 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helsinki is the capital and largest city of Finland.
< 1346334795 830581 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck Istanbul
< 1346334796 342987 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Formerly Con�stan�ti�no�ple The largest city of Turkey, in the northwest part of the country on both sides of the Bosporus at its entrance into the Sea of Marmara.
< 1346334808 599438 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Istanbul isn't Constantinople!
< 1346334903 816936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck Constantinople
< 1346334904 274307 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information
< 1346334962 59630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be what DDG returns for "define X".
< 1346334991 42522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not quite, because that also knows about Hexham.
< 1346335005 600457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Returning a Wikipedia reference.)
< 1346335016 348779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the matching definitions so far have been the Free Dictionary ones.
< 1346335562 902250 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the final bit of this interpreter is being annoying
< 1346336056 911500 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22
< 1346336195 844605 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck Constantinopole
< 1346336196 219924 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constantinople (�ɽ�ı�Ĺ��������, �ɽ�ı�Ĺ������� - Konstantino�polis, Konstantino�poli; Constantinopolis;  - Qostantiniyye; and modern 0stanbul) was the capital of the Eastern Roman Empire, the Latin and the Ottoman Empire.
< 1346336227 231832 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What!?
< 1346336235 149067 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck Hexhaom
< 1346336235 869192 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information
< 1346336374 445108 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck Hexham
< 1346336374 694017 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information
< 1346336590 967128 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346336632 134713 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346336738 712215 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there I am, gently working my day out, and when I switch to IRC what do I see: people abusing my bot once again.
< 1346336759 564351 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew you guys were reliable for this kind of matters :D
< 1346336801 843629 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck duck duck
< 1346336802 205955 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software description: duck duck is a quick application launcher for Gnome.
< 1346336827 335876 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346336833 812621 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck XChat
< 1346336834 194669 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat is a popular Internet Relay Chat client.
< 1346336845 702990 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck Firefox
< 1346336846 141516 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox A very popular open source Web browser for Windows, Mac and Linux from the Mozilla project.
< 1346336852 644981 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck Edinburgh
< 1346336853 302981 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The capital of Scotland, in the eastern part of the country on the Firth of Forth.
< 1346336860 923880 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck Forth
< 1346336861 292844 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey taneb
< 1346336861 439123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1346336861 585546 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A river of south-central Scotland flowing about 187 km eastward to the Firth of Forth, a wide inlet of the North Sea.
< 1346336864 37709 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hey
< 1346336867 810933 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you do that thing
< 1346336877 946921 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that I think you mean?
< 1346336878 949592 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1346337151 415385 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, for my Fueue interpreter
< 1346337154 796791 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Interpreter works
< 1346337158 742266 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Parser works
< 1346337162 123495 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The input doesn't work
< 1346337172 146952 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :input schminput
< 1346337251 764397 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :File input, that is
< 1346337265 207898 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, file input and parsing aren't playing nice
< 1346337268 145746 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they both work
< 1346338042 388241 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan Can I get you to write the main function for me?
< 1346338042 600628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346338063 530900 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a van today marked "Elliot [sic] Hird and co."
< 1346338155 118584 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: my C version is working, and can use --print as an option to print the current queue at each iteration
< 1346338174 778137 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1346338178 152718 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1346338208 96463 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a corner of the web dedicated to fueue I would be glad to have the interpreter there, so that we can get rid of the "unimplemented" on the wiki
< 1346338244 282361 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we could also add a few programs on the wiki, such as (empty), hello world, the infinite loop ):[):], and oerjan's ABCD...
< 1346338286 623094 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, can Arc_Koen put his interpreters for Fueue in the Esoteric File Archive?
< 1346338334 820781 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, yesterday I had an idea for my first esoteric language
< 1346338338 815065 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346338343 781524 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be called "Ftack"
< 1346338350 609385 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Do I have access to the Esoteric File Archive? >_>
< 1346338357 187098 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, the wiki says you do
< 1346338366 210554 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346338369 649933 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you the same Gregor as normal?
< 1346338377 905494 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the wiki say I do <_<
< 1346338388 189110 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe because you do?
< 1346338407 16141 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might…
< 1346338432 61215 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=The_Esoteric_File_Archive&diff=prev&oldid=8132
< 1346338436 601446 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your past self thinks you do
< 1346338475 366884 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: so in Ftack, everything is like Fueue except we're using a stack instead; if the first value is a function which cannot be executed immediately, or if it's a block, it is sent back to the top of the stack
< 1346338496 108904 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's a deque?
< 1346338501 613927 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a stack
< 1346338515 541164 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a joke, actually)
< 1346338516 321881 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I read that wrong
< 1346338519 864935 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, even I forgot I have write access I guess.
< 1346338527 879227 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if I can remember my username and password, gimme dem files.
< 1346338553 76501 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall I send you an email, or may I try the dcc stuff?
< 1346338553 222887 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, send Gregor your interpreters, he'll put them in the esoteric file archive
< 1346338570 439983 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, stop pretending nobody but you knows what they're doing
< 1346338581 807477 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to try DCC.
< 1346338623 776034 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody know if you can check whether you have svn commit access without committing? X-D
< 1346338677 135404 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In this analogy, the orange is the Trojan, the person is Earth, and the Ferris wheel is our orbit around the sun."
< 1346338706 338592 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In this analogy, the orange is the Trojan™, the person is Earth, and the Ferris wheel is our orbit around the sun."
< 1346338712 848864 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh what a difference a ™ can make.
< 1346338746 293719 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it still be edited once it's in the archive?
< 1346338760 611814 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's svn, it can always be updated.
< 1346338767 963116 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1346338785 619806 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just asking in case someone points out how dirty my code is, or something
< 1346338805 388438 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your code is bad and you should feel bad.
< 1346338880 423481 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-213.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346338889 312604 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Received a malformed DCC request from Arc_Koen.
< 1346338896 320268 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mayhap email ;)
< 1346338898 277584 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a start
< 1346338921 258192 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-90.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346338965 918210 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that better?
< 1346338975 825039 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I clicked 'accept' but nothing is happening.
< 1346339046 616192 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then it's probably not working
< 1346339424 798624 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaand sent
< 1346340084 420299 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: How about something with circular buffers?
< 1346340103 492740 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the feature that one of the elements possible of the circular buffer is a circular buffer
< 1346340136 665627 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first would seem cool, but I'm not quite sure I understand how the second works
< 1346340184 525955 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say you have a circular buffer with the values 1, 2, 'a', "something" and another circular buffer as a value
< 1346340190 574431 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I mean
< 1346340213 405981 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make the circular buffers fixed size so that it's harder
< 1346340229 222425 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or variable size for ease
< 1346340255 333752 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, but how do you use the buffer?
< 1346340686 214698 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1077379 / 60
< 1346340687 219251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  17956.316666666666
< 1346340827 259553 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: if $ is to be applied to a negative number, does it result in an error or is $ sent back?
< 1346340837 93615 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if the top value is a negative number?
< 1346340847 164247 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For $, an error, I would think
< 1346340861 662914 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You basically would use the buffer as a circular stack
< 1346340866 225815 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly also an error as the second
< 1346340884 532829 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm thinking you'd get 1 non-buffer register, or access to two separate buffers
< 1346340909 213894 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can go to a sub-buffer, where all operations now will apply to the sub-buffer
< 1346340910 457494 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think wherever the specs are ambiguous or lacking, it's implementation-depenedant
< 1346340916 997686 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: guitar hero time
< 1346340950 254372 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program is ran in an infinite loop unless a halt statement is encountered
< 1346340953 935122 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't try to do cliffs of dover past medium difficulty!!!
< 1346340969 223891 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhh you're talking about fueue?
< 1346340979 808332 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word "buffer" confused me
< 1346340995 14793 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm talking about a theoretical language
< 1346341003 140940 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1346341003 450982 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1346341003 982170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1346341005 206268 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1346341010 280144 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't exist yet
< 1346341014 851924 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :)
< 1346341039 439978 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So let's say you want to create a program that calculates fibbonacci numbers
< 1346341063 809129 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how this works though
< 1346341182 228991 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, when the next value is encountered
< 1346341188 414096 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ 0 1 } v dup 1 rot + .
< 1346341213 532874 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ } creates a sub-buffer
< 1346341214 454456 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rot" basically acts as "send it back to the end of the queue", right?
< 1346341230 67069 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Sure, but you can also rotate a negative amount
< 1346341231 255047 :ais523!~ais523@147.188.254.178 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346341231 401387 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346341231 401546 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346341231 401624 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346341231 401706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346341235 717364 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1346341268 242803 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And code on a buffer by default loops
< 1346341272 103145 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what happens with functions like "dup" and "+", where is the result stored?
< 1346341295 109389 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, is there an automatic "rot 1" after every function?)
< 1346341302 885882 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or rot 2 for dup)
< 1346341341 505642 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, if you have { 0 1 }, after the dup you have { 0 1 1 }, and after the 1 rot you have { 1 0 1 }
< 1346341351 138823 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot rotates right by default
< 1346341356 397983 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346341367 10530 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so v means "get one level deeper" or something?
< 1346341395 184336 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1346341409 983478 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ would go up one level (or stop the program)
< 1346341418 307576 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the instructions are still in the main buffer, but apply to the subbuffer?
< 1346341478 884126 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :v creates a new code buffer, and ^ ends it
< 1346341512 3911 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in lisp, code and data is lists, in cbuf, it's circular buffers
< 1346341521 784814 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but I mean if v stucks us into the subbuffer we cannot access the dup 1 rot + any longer
< 1346341542 424697 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the dup 1 rot + only apply to the subbuffer
< 1346341608 651897 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so the program is always the main buffer, and subbuffers are only data?
< 1346341808 433891 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code between the v and ^ has no way of accesing the data in the external buffer
< 1346341837 678869 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346341848 818862 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than by moving it into the secondary buffer
< 1346341851 653647 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1346341856 626845 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1346341968 605242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346341973 437292 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you create a function, that function can only accept only one argument
< 1346341982 29929 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can make that argument a buffer
< 1346342067 434017 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :dup could be defined as something like   dup: x x
< 1346342087 370599 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where x is the value passed
< 1346342145 241227 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that looks interesting but I think I need more "visual" explanations
< 1346342178 121466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were there some versions of Anarchist Cookbook that were not released to the public?
< 1346342222 992444 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: It's basically like programming with stacks of arbitrary elements, except you can rotate the stack
< 1346342237 159349 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that part I understand
< 1346342250 160466 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having trouble visualizing what the subbuffers are
< 1346342260 848189 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they inside the main buffer?
< 1346342267 852836 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1346342301 769813 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can do something like { } v { 1 2 } { 3 4 } ^
< 1346342317 689394 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which creates a buffer, with two buffers as elements
< 1346342374 200204 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346342377 108695 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is between the { and } is just the initial values for the buffer
< 1346342393 499207 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :To change what's in it afterwards, you use v
< 1346342403 528716 :ais523!~ais523@147.188.254.178 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346342446 130621 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-134.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346342485 642660 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about the logistics of putting code in the initial values too
< 1346342521 603883 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ 0 dup . } e
< 1346342530 556477 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would print an infinite amount of zeroes
< 1346342546 380815 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although
< 1346342553 500246 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have to be { dup . 0 }
< 1346342575 379427 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that you always start with the rightmost value at the top
< 1346342603 323848 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :e means execute
< 1346342616 429973 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, how would you push code in as data...
< 1346342742 326688 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write an interpreter for this
< 1346342895 90175 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :x would explode a buffer
< 1346342904 364968 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So { 1 2 3 } x  is the same as  1 2 3
< 1346342922 569409 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a command "flatten" that explodes all buffers
< 1346342981 323499 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be implemented as a function
< 1346343175 176006 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks up where he left the source of his RPN calculator

< 1346343373 508750 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing it in C would be a bit inconvienient because I'd have to handle resizing the buffers myself
< 1346343387 667631 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that shouldn't be too complicated
< 1346343415 211408 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Famous last words
< 1346343455 883428 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bigger challenge would be having arbitrary types of elements
< 1346343464 361270 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unions
< 1346343482 273700 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean like bools, chars, ints, etc.?
< 1346343544 497309 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would recommend ocaml though, it's perfect for interpreters
< 1346343730 842269 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :itidus21
< 1346344060 777074 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I wish the US had political parties with platforms more sophisticated than “we hate the other political party”.
< 1346344109 272496 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1346344135 541995 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this millenium it's all about website law
< 1346344194 320089 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my life is so boring o.o
< 1346344258 824321 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1346344265 135561 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346344533 829070 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i know the ugly truth about marriage.. if you go into it unwilling to change.. you will come out of it, much like leaving an elevator, unchanged
< 1346344600 376543 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe more to the point, if you go into it expecting or needing it to change you, it will let you down
< 1346344615 128503 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: But then I would have to learn OCaml before writing the interpreter =P
< 1346344635 745738 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :two birds one stone!
< 1346344637 454378 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow at age 30 change seems impossible
< 1346344646 921792 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe two stones one bird, depending on how you look at it
< 1346344718 420206 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you have to be open to change, which means a risk that things could get better while also getting worse
< 1346344789 718335 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Please add attribution and copyright/licensing headers to these files.
< 1346344807 504433 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, maybe at 30 you realize that a change is simply a new routine replacing an old routie
< 1346344827 162874 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1346344854 224776 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a list of infos I'm supposed to put in there or should I go with my imagination?
< 1346344885 890327 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :works of art seem to be mere dice which invoke this emotion or that emotion
< 1346344971 426126 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just how it can seem
< 1346344993 282297 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Go to copyfree.org, click a random license, and splat it at the top with your name or pseudonym. Or, if you want to actually think, then do something else. I'm just not going to upload files with no attribution or licensing.
< 1346345044 28712 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\0
< 1346346064 152599 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sent!
< 1346346154 408519 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As usual, you give someone without experience using licenses license to license [read that three times fast], and inevitably they will write something obnoxious and non-F/OSS themselves.
< 1346346156 716612 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add it.
< 1346346340 324024 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1346346347 801227 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now we play the "guess what my password might have been" game.
< 1346346364 714774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Try "1234" or "passwort".
< 1346346429 62398 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin by creatin---
< 1346346437 500156 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try "1234" or "passwort"
< 1346346467 81083 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it sound obnoxious?
< 1346346470 605734 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was not intended to
< 1346346502 791703 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In principle, I have commit access. In practice, I haven't committed anything in six years and don't really recall my password, which may very well have been specific to this account.
< 1346346521 600874 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: It's not F/OSS.
< 1346346528 762104 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh guess your own password. that game sucks
< 1346346556 494150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Describe what you have written. And then we can see that it is obnoxious and non-F/OSS, and then fix both problems.
< 1346346604 357492 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh well I meant to write that people were free to use it or do whatever with it, but that it would be very appreciated if they could let me know what use they made of it
< 1346346633 972647 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You restricted commercial use. That's non-F/OSS. And quite ridiculous given that nobody under any circumstances is going to use it commercially.
< 1346346636 621916 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I thought maybe I have to add something about the use being for non-profit goals or something
< 1346346681 607573 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then maybe I should just delete that line
< 1346346710 112023 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe you shouldn't try to be clever and write your own license when there are dozens, if not hundreds, of good ones out there already X_X
< 1346346715 157393 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bigger issue right now is that I simply don't have access to commit this X-D
< 1346346716 723367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Write that it is appreciated but not required to let you know what use they make of it. And you also have to not restrict commercial use (except possibly trademark licenses)
< 1346346717 810142 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, maybe I do.
< 1346346729 836769 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's been six years.
< 1346346761 41959 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a standard license for the esoteric file archive?
< 1346346767 227676 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1346346797 975544 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So long as it's legal o distribute it via the file archive, it can be put there. I take objection to your license on personal grounds.
< 1346346803 455867 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*legal to
< 1346346833 612835 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's all moot since you're going to have to find somebody else to put it online X-D
< 1346346930 694629 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'll try to find something better until I can find someone else then :)
< 1346346933 204971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make a copy too, if the license is acceptable. Send it using netcat or sprunge and I will then make a public backup copy.
< 1346347199 356671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Can you host it yourself?
< 1346347208 698385 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really no
< 1346347269 717121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can host it under my HTTP server and/or gopher server if the license is acceptable, if you want to.
< 1346347349 401953 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be great - I'm kind of in a hurry now though
< 1346347351 897745 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1346347356 935602 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric
< 1346347366 235195 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346347566 935610 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the parser section of my PROgram is 22 lineS
< 1346347587 677048 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THis IS agAInsT THE iNTERpretER seCTIon OF my CODE whicH IS 72
< 1346347594 457715 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welL
< 1346347596 249296 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :74
< 1346347624 179027 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS HArder TO Type WHEN your BROTHer is sPOradiCALLy hOLDING DOwn ThE sHiFt BuTtOn
< 1346347629 883876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn archive
< 1346347630 246364 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "archive" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1346347630 429332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :archive
< 1346347630 575475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: a depository containing historical records and documents
< 1346347630 575668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    v 1: put into an archive [syn: {archive}, {file away}]
< 1346347632 280209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the esoteric file archive is living up to its name, if it can't be written to.
< 1346347646 265834 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 atriq
< 1346347648 474161 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngevd
< 1346347656 143315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never even realized that! 
< 1346347673 912581 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck ngevd
< 1346347674 216786 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information
< 1346347678 62052 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh.
< 1346347697 962547 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WAS deMoNSTAtING thE etYmoLogy OF my NIck TO THe aFOREMENtioNED sIBLiNg
< 1346347728 920026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE atriq 
< 1346347729 386455 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI
< 1346347732 734764 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AtRiQ: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.)
< 1346347740 735635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell your brother to go away
< 1346347780 620398 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Have doNe SO> hE proMises To DepArt sooN
< 1346347805 522214 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: i think its fun to share the keyboard with your brother
< 1346347823 96999 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would.
< 1346347825 459998 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo is a bit uptight about it
< 1346347828 986961 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh NO HE'S BACK
< 1346347835 745006 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOM
< 1346347850 76056 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :God he's a quick typer
< 1346347863 765673 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was with one finger
< 1346347872 413142 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND I COULDN'T STOP HIM
< 1346347932 324143 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry zzo, i guess i am living in my childhood still
< 1346347986 230003 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1346348172 428490 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1346348184 408442 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 AND I COULDN'T STOP HIM
< 1346348185 62492 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAQ V PBHYQA'G FGBC UVZ
< 1346348208 359061 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess his bro won the complete access to their computer...
< 1346348220 885894 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1346348254 110655 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i don't understand what happened
< 1346348393 202196 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, nations are born and die within the minds of men, and yet, for all this, mortality does not retire for the individual
< 1346348429 643909 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really a nation is just a toy
< 1346348458 682206 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something fabricated by bored individuals
< 1346348499 477057 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt they were bored
< 1346348507 120219 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible though
< 1346348594 901787 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least i am wrong
< 1346348599 671960 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a good start
< 1346348806 136652 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: well its 3:40am, and i have an appointment at 9:40am... still not sure if i'll be sleeping or staying awake
< 1346348829 834365 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets me agitated whenevr i have to do something the next day
< 1346348986 760689 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you get up at 3:40 AM when you have your first (I assume) appointment of the day at 9:40 AM
< 1346349065 892729 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been awake since about 1:30pm
< 1346349076 852080 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahaha
< 1346349086 910082 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, check out this screenshot of ebay http://oi45.tinypic.com/og9htf.jpg
< 1346349157 750603 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: that still does not answer my question
< 1346349196 314355 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first = only :D
< 1346349220 237744 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1346349309 18490 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having an appointment actually increases my inability to sleep
< 1346349323 344017 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i see it as a constraint on how much i can do that night
< 1346349331 593861 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so suddenly i want to do more that night
< 1346349353 772543 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the appointment is not at night
< 1346349365 792890 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how is it a constraint on what you can do at night?
< 1346349400 75378 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because having to sleep means i lose control of when i sleep
< 1346349548 390671 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now you are bored because you have no idea what to do?
< 1346349563 115121 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's generally the case.
< 1346349577 882336 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you should do is:
< 1346349581 749280 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :make yourself useful
< 1346349609 894096 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like sleeping because i'm the sort of person who very quickly gets tired without sleep
< 1346349663 731043 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :then sleep, for it is most useful
< 1346349688 148701 :Eladith!~eladith@gzrrplox.kortex.jyu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346349710 21937 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get bored though :D
< 1346349716 866250 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have that on my side
< 1346349765 874384 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get tired and anxious.. those could be related to broed
< 1346349768 208157 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bored
< 1346349795 269756 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :anxious how so?
< 1346349803 960468 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know :)
< 1346349813 939946 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this appointment a presentation?
< 1346349817 277976 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the person i am seeing is a psychologist
< 1346349819 349961 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1346349850 438911 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1346349859 592043 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't have to actually talk too much?
< 1346349872 914752 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. its very active
< 1346349902 671518 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are not many people around...?
< 1346349926 464472 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, its not like i am being paid
< 1346349996 110058 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its going well... slowly some things in my life becoming healthier
< 1346350035 45979 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like he talked me into having showers
< 1346350112 497202 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1346350117 822013 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't you take a shower?
< 1346350146 467998 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not entirely sure
< 1346350187 162033 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you always took a bath instead of a shower? Well not sure what's wrong with that either.
< 1346350197 600431 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never said i took a bath
< 1346350206 336369 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although showers take less time than baths.
< 1346350216 507425 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed you did.
< 1346350220 25863 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya
< 1346350243 894314 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the aha moment of why i am seeing psychologist
< 1346350257 825956 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already knew
< 1346350258 630283 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346350266 165753 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, not shower, not bath
< 1346350281 610007 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just one facet of things
< 1346350321 505266 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Are you telling me you can build a time machine but you can't cook a cheese soufflé? You've got your priorities all wrong!
< 1346350342 570751 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346350454 996566 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346351085 756826 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346351672 210270 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1346352617 769705 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :r
< 1346352620 37201 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing string code-building with closures = joy
< 1346352745 936789 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346352773 527836 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346352935 245490 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346353581 46857 :krofna!~krofna@95-178-231-170.dsl.optinet.hr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346353649 855239 :krofna!~krofna@95-178-231-170.dsl.optinet.hr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346354126 431902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346354271 914887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1346354272 122727 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq said 9h 35m 17s ago: Wow, I better learn them too!
< 1346354272 268806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq asked 4h 30m 29s ago: Can I get you to write the main function for me?
< 1346354283 675891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: maybe
< 1346354312 324164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages
< 1346354312 497450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages.
< 1346354321 613821 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, http://hpaste.org/73947
< 1346354340 594539 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that's not right
< 1346354617 397095 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f6f6.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1346354687 627683 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-134.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1346355349 154142 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346355498 660797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle IO String
< 1346355499 133549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you mean: :: IO String
< 1346355499 296628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.IO.Error ioeGetErrorString :: IOError -> String
< 1346355499 442987 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.IO.Error ioeSetErrorString :: IOError -> String -> IOError
< 1346355504 553358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle :: IO String
< 1346355504 795733 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude getContents :: IO String
< 1346355504 941909 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.IO getContents :: IO String
< 1346355505 88192 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude getLine :: IO String
< 1346355616 817356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t readFile
< 1346355618 55650 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FilePath -> IO String
< 1346355792 489167 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks to zzo38 my interpreters are accessible now
< 1346355811 265825 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/esoteric/Arc_Koen/
< 1346356502 993495 :nortti-!~juhani@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346356608 384854 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-252-200.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346356628 889813 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-213.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1346356735 905645 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346356907 450303 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-245.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346356914 251368 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-252-200.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1346357164 154081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t hPutStr
< 1346357165 409764 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `hPutStr'
< 1346357179 411802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Handle -> String -> IO ()
< 1346357179 748029 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.IO hPutStr :: Handle -> String -> IO ()
< 1346357179 894099 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.IO.Handle hPutStr :: Handle -> String -> IO ()
< 1346357180 40274 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.IO hPutStrLn :: Handle -> String -> IO ()
< 1346357300 208664 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346357469 239832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> error "Test"
< 1346357492 819059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1346357492 819277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2+2
< 1346357496 498530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1346357499 518767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1346357510 64236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1346357510 960591 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1346357511 105771 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: L.hs: removeLink: does not exist (No such file or directory)
< 1346357519 889507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> error "Test"
< 1346357520 946792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  *Exception: Test
> 1346357813 84955 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1346357817 217218 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1346357817 733379 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1346357834 168234 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1346357838 297585 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1346357838 814636 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1346357881 69301 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346357881 93196 :glogbot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346357881 589449 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric
> 1346357885 193959 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1346357885 709296 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346357897 221158 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1346357999 92929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait darn
< 1346358024 19614 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346358031 524047 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I tried before and it failed for some strange reason
< 1346358063 237571 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346358225 830166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: pasted again, i got some things in the wrong order
< 1346358241 738337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ironically half cancelling each other out, but not quite)
< 1346358452 220338 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.41.216 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346358467 75167 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1346358467 93785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: i leave to you to actually test it >:)
< 1346358495 119483 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346358580 385157 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346358720 400849 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346358884 386713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It occurs to me that I have no idea how to write a parser <-- you seem to have learned fast :P
< 1346358899 70643 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly guessed and got lucky
< 1346358938 570847 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: why are the fueue functions characters rather than words like "dup", "pop", etc.?
< 1346358953 519179 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably have been more readable
< 1346358954 148531 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, inspired by Underload
< 1346358966 230671 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was following underload'lead
< 1346358979 911663 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s\ 
< 1346358986 494848 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, everybody here seems to be praising that mysterious language...
< 1346358990 671888 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I careful did not step into it
< 1346359154 871096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (12)S(*a(~:)~*^~):((1)S)~*~((2)S:*)~*:(~:()~)~*^(a(:^)*~a(*()~)~*^~^):^
< 1346359156 693845 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :122112122122112112212112122112112122122112122121121122122112122122112112122121122122112122122112112212112122122112112122112112212112112212211212212112212212112112212211212212112112212112122112112122121122122112122122112112122112112212212112122112112212112112212212112122112112122122112122121121122122121122122112122122112112 ...too much output!
< 1346359160 389044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently

< 1346359196 165349 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[+.]
< 1346359196 371625 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :	.. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~��������������������������������������������������������������������������������� ...
< 1346359202 139183 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> <_<
< 1346359216 918209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not the kolakoski sequence.
< 1346359377 890915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION obviously stepped _way_ too deeply in it, seeing as he is the source of most of the wiki page.

< 1346359613 884693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : also loud enough to destroy the Earth if interpreted as sound intensity <-- * the universe hth
< 1346359670 284062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, a mere vacuum isn't going to stop 300000 dB.  trust me.)
< 1346359851 68047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think compiling underload minus S (but including (...)S) into fueue should be doable
< 1346359901 761146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the "minus S" is so we don't need to preserve the string representations)
< 1346359910 662764 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear no one knows pretty much anything about the kolakoski sequence
< 1346359938 744569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: all computational evidence says it's 50% 1's, but no one knows for sure
< 1346360023 778102 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-137-86.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346360023 928618 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. they study this stuff in my uni but i haven't really touched it (CA are 50% more awesome).
< 1346360051 315209 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there are many simpler open problems about it which have partial answers
< 1346360233 258173 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-152-254.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346360353 314916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Arc_Koen, it isn't possible to have negative numbers in the initial program <-- added to wiki
< 1346360405 593754 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to mark it as no longer unimplemented :)
< 1346360439 531509 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here are the fueue.c and fueue.ml implementations: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/esoteric/Arc_Koen/
< 1346360479 913011 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host
< 1346360479 931836 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346360480 593508 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also asked him a few other questions, like what happens when trying to divide by 0, or to apply $ with a negative first argument
< 1346360535 308348 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, for all functions: if arguments of the right type are present but some have invalid values, then it results in an error
< 1346360542 165756 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-147-76.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346360564 389922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is arc koen your real name?
< 1346360577 859280 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also an error for negative numbers to be output
< 1346360581 229218 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1346360592 719309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how shall i refer to you on the wiki?
< 1346360594 629282 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I did include my real name in the files
< 1346360599 848951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1346360626 820194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is colorburst a greenish-yellow color?
< 1346360713 668201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok your real name is now on the wiki
< 1346360850 921427 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet! what about a few programs: (empty), "72 101 108 108 111 44 32 119 111 114 108 100 33 10 H", "):[):]", and your dazzling alphabet ")$2[)$--------2~)~~[)[)~(~[~[$~H~]~)%+~91-):]~1+:])]]~[$~H~])%+-91)[65][65]"
< 1346360851 587011 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346360949 759855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr . read <$> words "72 101 108 108 111 44 32 119 111 114 108 100 33 10"
< 1346360951 625293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "Hello, world!\n"
< 1346361225 94205 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-2-132.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1346361319 777542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: done!
< 1346361404 971596 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I had an idea for a new language!
< 1346361410 35481 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be called: "Ftack"
< 1346361490 422657 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works exactly like fueue, except with a stack; if the top element isn't either a number or a function with appropriate values directly behind it, it is sent back to the top of the stack.
< 1346361511 972393 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1346361524 144025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: um that's basically underload.
< 1346361531 673036 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1346361533 758949 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it?
< 1346361538 955444 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't
< 1346361538 973953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait not with the type checks
< 1346361549 65425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then
< 1346361552 893357 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an almost useless joke language
< 1346361557 274019 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :)
< 1346361599 513144 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346361605 277861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we _do_ have a joke languages category :)
< 1346361710 316762 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically I'm guessing some small programs that were hard to write in fueue would be easy to write
< 1346361728 375538 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the duplicating works well for loops
< 1346361856 433754 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTS
< 1346361881 482296 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pants of Narcissus?
< 1346361910 310517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTS in the PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTS.
< 1346362023 157780 :nortti-!~juhani@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )
< 1346362117 797464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1346362135 209384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: is another infinite loop for both fueue and ftack :)
< 1346362146 679444 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Indeed.
< 1346362151 955691 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I have three more pair now.
< 1346362158 128759 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god
< 1346362170 976992 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure they aren't just reflections of the first pair in a pool?
< 1346362222 52296 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they're different colors.
< 1346362223 136440 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah.
< 1346362261 632030 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a good night
< 1346362271 667329 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Are you telling me you can build a time machine but you can't cook a cheese soufflé? You've got your priorities all wrong!
< 1346362454 848700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ftack, it's useless to duplicate (with : or $) anything other than a number and :~!
< 1346362505 757842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything else will either give you something which doesn't evaluate, or something which turns soon into a block (which doesn't evaluate) or halts.
< 1346362561 302368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular < and ( are completely useless
< 1346362702 746430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means you can never usefully increase the number of blocks in a program...
< 1346362854 377911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also duplicating a : gives you immediately an infinite loop.  anything else reduces the number of :'s in the program.
< 1346362860 748679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty useless indeed.
< 1346363331 27361 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-245.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Silliest possible way of running Win3.1 programs on modern Windows: Desqview/X hosting Windows 3.1 programs, served over X, onto a Windows X server.
< 1346363531 933639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't know it did that too; just thought it was a X server.
< 1346363646 349206 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-245.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It runs Windows 3.1 and DOS as X programs via hax.
< 1346363675 278270 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-245.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS by using a virtual VGA framebuffer and scraping it, Windows 3.1 by installing a video driver that makes it render via X11.
< 1346363788 391030 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it ONLY did that, I don't think it was an X server.
< 1346363800 958921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have an X server too.
< 1346363803 653633 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-245.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is an X server.
< 1346363808 954219 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-245.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a partial UNIX.
< 1346363819 906172 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ports Microcosm*
< 1346363835 116128 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-245.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, it provides enough of a libc that you can have native X programs without Pain and Agony)
< 1346363846 692859 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-245.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've IRC'd from it before.
< 1346363900 50379 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1346364009 159728 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-245.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It actually ships with TWM and the Motif WM.
< 1346364048 560478 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-137-86.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1346364140 317427 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-245.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O'
< 1346364145 540360 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-245.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had a real mode xlib?
< 1346364274 635611 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-231-155.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346364414 272721 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-245.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346364425 393471 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346364958 201278 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346366302 434659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea for Magic: the Gathering card:  All "may" must always be selected instead of being that player's choice.
< 1346370006 142970 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what if another choice must be made?
< 1346370631 617843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The player still makes the choice such as targets and so on. If something says "you may discard a card" then he must discard a card if he has one but he can select which one.
< 1346370721 168953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this card is in effect and another effect says "you may draw a card", then the player must draw a card (there are no other choices to be made); if he has no cards to draw, he loses the game.
< 1346371000 158564 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1346371006 662653 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also have a variant which gives the choice to someone else
< 1346371033 446848 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346371101 841988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is another possible variant.
< 1346372134 654862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul !
< 1346372135 153326 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of stack!
< 1346372176 812300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords $ map (show . ord) "...out of stack!"
< 1346372178 966976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "46 46 46 111 117 116 32 111 102 32 115 116 97 99 107 33"
< 1346373187 636823 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the computer i want is available with i5 or i7 processor, and 4GB or 8GB of RAM... but you can't get the i7 with 8GB of RAM
< 1346373193 779008 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the RAM is not upgradeable)
< 1346373583 405442 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8909F.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346373693 744709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another day, another TC proof.
< 1346373780 64951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What computer is that?
< 1346374113 404871 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346374398 872277 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346374428 359395 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346374611 680477 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-231-155.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346374617 743405 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346374676 884537 :nortti!~juhani@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1346374684 25441 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, the Dilemmatech 3000.
< 1346374898 473562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@freshname
< 1346374898 675821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahd
< 1346375297 678689 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :Jon_Frakes
< 1346375350 790895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@freshname
< 1346375350 958276 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahe
< 1346375353 355605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@freshname
< 1346375353 520927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahf
< 1346375354 711461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@freshname
< 1346375354 876776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahg
< 1346375368 838732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense a certain lack of creativity
< 1346375533 332268 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ThinkPad X1 Carbon
< 1346375566 278366 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThinkPad Air
< 1346375583 479631 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have to choose between 1 MB of L3 cache or 4 GB of RAM
< 1346375626 324359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choose based on what things you are doing on your computer, which would work better for what you do
< 1346375640 827523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you are using your computer for.
< 1346375683 662550 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or waiting
< 1346375692 106732 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should make a Haskell library called Hahahahahahaha
< 1346375701 190784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Alternatively, choose by the price.)
< 1346375799 923209 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's a good tiebreaker :)
< 1346375836 845121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That's an exciting-looking computer.
< 1346375852 498293 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i5/8GB is $60 more, but also it can ship next week rather than "more than 4 weeks"
< 1346375857 649131 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe i don't want to buy now, anyway
< 1346375892 309566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1600x900
< 1346375895 865197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1346375902 656236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should probably care about resolution less than he does.

< 1346375942 108945 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, it's more exciting than the X230
< 1346375946 909364 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is 1366x768 :/
< 1346375960 195634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should wait until you can get a Haswell laptop!
< 1346375970 880314 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1346375997 437889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can use AVX2.
< 1346376034 217430 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hardware transactional memory!
< 1346376036 580322 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that in AVX2?)
< 1346376066 113396 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know anything about AVX instructions
< 1346376073 644880 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they are mostly SSE extended to 256 bits
< 1346376079 399215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AVX is 256-bit SSE.
< 1346376081 125128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1346376094 778109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there are a lot of new instructions.
< 1346376099 450792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2011/06/13/haswell-new-instruction-descriptions-now-available/
< 1346376116 637583 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have 16×16 binary matrix multiply!
< 1346376156 525825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should have it for 8×8 first.
< 1346376160 798853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some CPU instructions I would like to see are INTERCAL select, unselect (fills unset bit positions with zero), and multiplexer.
< 1346376195 795934 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the X230 is still better if you want crazy battery life by carrying around multiple batteries
< 1346376229 636503 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the X1C can charge from 0% to 80% in 35 minutes, which is cool
< 1346376497 547257 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: multiplexer would have three inputs, and use one input to select between the other two bitwise?
< 1346376525 711440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 should have more three-operand instructions.
< 1346376573 684061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Actually many more inputs; it would be like the Muxcomp esolang instruction (although depending on the computer, it could differ in many ways, such as addressing modes and so on).
< 1346376585 966553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it has three-operand addition.
< 1346376620 564881 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplication matrix would also be useful, though.
< 1346376668 270384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MXOR is a great instruction!
< 1346376669 137785 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what is the next cryptosystem to get added after AES
< 1346376681 706695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I might like to have is an instruction for triple indirect jump with post increment.
< 1346376701 618124 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if SHA-3 will be based on AES enough to use the AES round instruction
< 1346376730 246246 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think any of the candidates are that closely related
< 1346376776 652222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "too much CISC" computer would include Super Mario game as a single instruction.
< 1346376840 750042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it'd have SUPERMARIO and SUPERMARIOLAST for the last round.
< 1346376856 799825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course this is silly.
< 1346376857 704251 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUPERMARIOWITHGAMEGENIEPLUGGEDIN
< 1346376899 939501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But one instruction I would actually like to have is an instruction to reconfigure the microcode at runtime so that the instruction set can be optimized for whatever it is that you are making.
< 1346376914 805787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the SHA-3 finalists is at least somewhat related to AES.
< 1346376943 848514 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with rijndahl again?
< 1346376969 498638 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, AES is Rijndael
< 1346376973 179306 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand the question
< 1346376975 266129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why they have an instruction per round rather than just one instruction.
< 1346377004 617273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :S-boxes make it very tricky to implement without being vulnerable to cache timing attacks, apparently.
< 1346377024 914966 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i have heard that
< 1346377065 885249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a "constant-time lookup" instruction proposed that would get a block of memory, make sure the whole thing was in the cache, and then do a lookup in it.
< 1346377072 681864 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's sha-2?
< 1346377087 911076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHA-256, SHA-512, etc.
< 1346377100 847930 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-2
< 1346377245 574836 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if git will have to switch away from SHA-1 soon
< 1346377650 435629 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346377662 276829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord 'x'
< 1346377664 858793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  120
< 1346378482 607426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An instruction per round? Are each round have any use by itself?
< 1346378909 13170 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1346378946 376472 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346379336 79225 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ glxgears
< 1346379337 238387 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :48647 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9729.383 FPS
< 1346379343 938097 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OVER NINE THOUSAND FPS
< 1346379357 755647 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, the window is completely black
< 1346379481 297739 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel has a lot of bots
< 1346379483 331372 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should run a bot
< 1346379485 763666 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should it do?
< 1346379497 465949 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should bot.
< 1346379504 529338 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dispense useful advice
< 1346379631 479455 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what would be the social effects of a bot which allows anyone in the channel to anonymously send messages to the channel
< 1346379870 509017 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once upon a time Egobot did.
< 1346379961 563319 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how did that go
< 1346379973 112438 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that much happened.
< 1346380077 132376 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use blind signing to make it so the bot operator doesn't know who's submitting each message, only that they're in the channel (or working with someone who is)
< 1346380086 894004 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :under some rather unrealistic assumptions about traffic analysis and such
< 1346380751 447176 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, cold boot attack in a spy show on television :)
< 1346380771 510739 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346381021 729204 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346381062 514054 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Neat.
< 1346381072 865229 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simultaneously real *and* flashy enough to work on TV.
< 1346381119 387964 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, monqy if you didn't see there's a major update
< 1346381130 341220 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ah-hah, found you!
< 1346381143 243997 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mjrosenb :)
< 1346381154 284573 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it going?
< 1346381171 588198 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome mjrosenb
< 1346381174 878956 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mjrosenb: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1346381187 945853 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good, now living on the east coast again
< 1346381209 65738 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :state college, pa?
< 1346381215 804828 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup.
< 1346381219 784904 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for the love of
< 1346381228 759662 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not watching a flash at this hour Sgeo 
< 1346381233 855864 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, that's like 200 miles inland ;)
< 1346381265 64421 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god
< 1346381266 801158 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the homestuck
< 1346381279 934421 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :also trying to get my compose key to output "†"
< 1346381311 472096 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :does a horrible implementation of a somewhat esoteric language count? :-p
< 1346381371 768223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say that counts as 90% of the wiki
< 1346381477 899669 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1346381538 509616 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has made some half-assed attempts to polish it as an ioccc entry, but: http://www.club.cc.cmu.edu/~mjrosenb/unlam-gc.c

< 1346381556 277378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh unlambda?
< 1346381665 551115 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any bets on how long it'll take for the Wii U to get cracked?
< 1346381687 553837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mjrosenb: test out my self-interpreter http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/interpreter.unl :)
< 1346381737 22632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you only do part of it
< 1346381746 167550 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people for god-knows-what-reason have them already, so the clock starts now.
< 1346381785 324949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no continuations :(
< 1346381835 106939 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, I have pseudo-support for them
< 1346381841 65795 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is *completely* untested
< 1346381862 42810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mjrosenb: well you don't have the input functions anyhow
< 1346381900 333681 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mjrosenb: Dang it, I was thinking of doing something with a GC for IOCCC :)
< 1346381905 75372 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be pretty easy to add those
< 1346381920 761661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mjrosenb: assuming your continuations work properly, yes
< 1346381925 460883 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i'm sure your gc would look nothing like mine
< 1346382045 570109 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh right, unfortunately, c and gc are going to interact in particularly heinous ways
< 1346382058 963891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1346382169 802952 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you know how to add bindings to X's compose functionality, right?
< 1346382274 603376 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i wrote a blog post about it
< 1346382362 116904 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, what is your blog again?
< 1346382416 138748 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/
< 1346382428 16378 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2010/10/typing-mathematical-characters-in-x.html
< 1346382612 677088 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you know if there is a program that will parse .Xcompose after X has started?
< 1346382946 795717 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :/
< 1346382953 957210 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I feel I still need to applaud you for calling C++ (rightfully) an esolang.
< 1346383130 481061 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1346383187 319624 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346383978 48040 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346384076 187419 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, damn you
< 1346384100 470019 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh i have read the sufferer dialogue sooner than i otherwise would have and my life is infinitely better for it
< 1346384169 906841 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, you too
< 1346384187 769744 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too what?
< 1346384201 798101 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Major Homestuck update
< 1346384207 420722 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.

< 1346384208 616661 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks.
< 1346384209 824636 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huge walkaround
< 1346384213 832373 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're welcome
< 1346384395 42429 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus far I've had to restart once, I've gotten lost twice, and I caused a minor sequence break.
< 1346384709 703332 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me your opinion what I wrote so far about this:   http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/roguevm/roguevm.tex
< 1346385050 785347 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: haha
< 1346385061 707922 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I also homestuck
< 1346385070 324700 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I saw right away on the feed
< 1346385087 213777 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terezi's ancestor is King Radical, calling it now
< 1346385149 344991 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Thus far, seems like a reasonable spec for a VM.
< 1346385179 862756 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Designed to support a rogue-like text UI, but at least slightly more flexible than that, I take it?
< 1346385212 410443 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :****SPOILER ALERT***
< 1346385216 423551 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: karkat's is the best
< 1346385220 876671 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly due to one conversation
< 1346385227 120524 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1346385229 193801 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes he is
< 1346385256 994466 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: have you had the conversation between him and latula yet?
< 1346385262 689574 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1346385263 224018 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It looks like you've got it set up to be relatively sane to emulate, as well; the instruction coding, though not the *simplest* to decode, is fairly reasonable.
< 1346385264 385941 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i have
< 1346385268 807651 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just finished it.
< 1346385272 438465 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the best
< 1346385281 184459 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His previous conversations were good too.
< 1346385282 46912 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the face at the end is priceless
< 1346385293 517649 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the absolute simplest would give you 16-bit addresses, so it's a single opcode to grab the address)
< 1346385307 625830 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw theoretical logreading elliott don't bitch at me for spoilers, bitch at coppro.)
< 1346385315 687884 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1346385319 36771 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i put a spoiler alert in
< 1346385327 963705 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also hussie says don't give a fuck
< 1346385330 932109 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :people should homestuck first
< 1346385336 234067 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then things that may have spoilers
< 1346385355 39483 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't figure out if getting hussie to run away does anything
< 1346385356 316199 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you?
< 1346385365 683699 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno.
< 1346385366 18502 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Also, just out of curiosity, do you intend for code to execute out of RAM, or only out of ROM?
< 1346385461 414712 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'corporealnormative'
< 1346385602 739354 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YES
< 1346385604 234594 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god yes
< 1346385850 863253 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so that took me an hour.
< 1346385870 76566 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely recall thinking "how long can it take, Cascade is only 13 minutes2.
< 1346385873 621072 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"
< 1346385920 426979 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> sleep

< 1346385922 328119 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1346385983 22115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq Try 48 ~!~)): [[48 [)):] [~!~)):] ~~) !][49 [~!~)):] [)):] )~]]
< 1346385983 185780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346385996 704204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen Try 48 ~!~)): [[48 [)):] [~!~)):] ~~) !][49 [~!~)):] [)):] )~]]
< 1346385996 870224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346386672 482666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Both ROM and RAM.
< 1346386692 966031 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-137-86.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346386698 158624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes it is designed to support a rogue-like text UI, but at least slightly more flexible than that.
< 1346386709 734729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says so in the introduction.
< 1346386732 789765 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Neat.
< 1346386803 237860 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover It's not Flash (except for the Intro). It's HTML5
< 1346386803 404050 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346386834 407068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I case I did not say: The .tex and .dvi are in the same directory; I distribute both.
< 1346386837 300508 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: really?
< 1346386846 378091 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm actually
< 1346386861 482324 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, some chapters are very short so there is empty space on the page; some artwork could be placed there as well as on the title page possibly.
< 1346386862 718135 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Gankro/Jterniabound
< 1346386969 631723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1346387665 75947 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1346388220 665783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will write more of this file later today, probably.
< 1346388223 272257 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got myself a puzzle
< 1346388249 322397 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a lexicographic permutation, generate the next one
< 1346388429 703108 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, given something like "0123" it will return "0132"
< 1346388436 853201 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-137-86.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1346388481 947478 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a standard algorithm for that. Is this homework?
< 1346388496 119930 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :More eulerwork
< 1346388506 69891 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The following algorithm generates the next permutation lexicographically after a given permutation. It changes the given permutation in-place.
< 1346388507 639034 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the algorithm already
< 1346388509 42525 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find the largest index k such that a[k] < a[k + 1]. If no such index exists, the permutation is the last permutation.
< 1346388512 51791 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find the largest index l such that a[k] < a[l]. Since k + 1 is such an index, l is well defined and satisfies k < l.
< 1346388514 985744 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swap a[k] with a[l].
< 1346388517 540130 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reverse the sequence from a[k + 1] up to and including the final element a[n].
< 1346388519 476198 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the algorithm already
< 1346388527 936887 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just got to implement it
< 1346388534 166445 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well there you go.
< 1346388537 473552 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to do it in haskell I guess
< 1346388621 211386 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, pattern matching (x:y:ys) works
< 1346388765 990464 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems I'm not as comfortable with functional programming yet as I should be
< 1346388846 974090 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realize this defeats the point of the exercise, but isn't there a "permutations" function in Haskell? :)
< 1346388929 191220 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is but it doesn't return them in lexicographic order =P
< 1346388955 651060 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1346389005 311666 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess for what I want something that returns a list of strings would be better
< 1346389009 791264 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexicogrpahic ordering of permutations is annoying
< 1346389593 362207 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if a foldl here is the right idea
< 1346389684 681852 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not
< 1346389924 934497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to generate all of them, I don't think you need the slightly tricky next-permutation thing, unless you want it of course.
< 1346389931 302792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let perms [] = [[]]; perms l = concatMap (\i -> map (i:) (perms $ delete i l)) l in perms "1234"
< 1346389932 374945 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["1234","1243","1324","1342","1423","1432","2134","2143","2314","2341","241...
< 1346389940 866306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let perms [] = [[]]; perms l = concatMap (\i -> map (i:) (perms $ delete i l)) l in perms "123"
< 1346389941 897812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["123","132","213","231","312","321"]
< 1346389996 214842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, "all permutations with the smallest element in the first place; then those with the second-smallest in the first place; etc."
< 1346390040 298641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With a sort if the input items aren't in lexicographical order, and something else than 'delete i l' if there can be duplicates.)
< 1346390336 452167 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346390349 622356 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when will i learn my lesson
< 1346390354 604685 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i should never upgrade X
< 1346391496 347199 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: upgrade to waylan!
< 1346391504 100138 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you'll never need to touch X again!
< 1346392096 56565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wayland - way cool!"? 
< 1346394091 727945 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.41.216 QUIT :Quit: http://RetroProgramming.com
< 1346394202 664925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gyres and gimbles in the Wayland.

< 1346394208 989483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you give up on irssi+mosh?
< 1346394241 307299 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346394593 817713 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346394822 231978 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1346394982 65306 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. Y'know how nop on x86 is actually xchg ax, ax (xchg eax, eax in 32-bit mode)?
< 1346395008 740651 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86_64 came *this close* to jacking it up: xchg eax, eax would do nothing and then clear the high 32 bits of eax.
< 1346395011 496316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it's not in 64-bit mode, right?
< 1346395023 518736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But it's an explicit nop.
< 1346395031 163005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you gotta have a nop, right?
< 1346395038 948156 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they went and just said 0x90 is explicitly nop, and gave xchg eax, eax a different encoding.
< 1346395051 484287 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you for some reason want to clear the high 32 bits of eax that way.
< 1346395124 418204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably you can also mov eax, eax?
< 1346395135 482295 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, think so.
< 1346395167 919492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do have some nops that really are only nops too, these days. (And IIRC both Intel and Amd optimization manuals have their own recommended "fastest" nop sequences for lengths up to 16 bytes or so.)
< 1346395209 36469 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In pretty much all x86 CPUs for $long_time xchg eax, eax has been hard-coded as a nop anyways.
< 1346395233 835708 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so you don't have a dependency in the pipeline on eax, and it doesn't take as long to execute, etc. etc.)
< 1346395289 286424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I can recall, some of those sequences were really kinda silly if you look at the meanings; piles of prefixes that don't really matter since it's a nop, and so on.
< 1346395467 569568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346395521 34849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, neat.
< 1346395527 230396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made llvm-mc segfault.
< 1346395544 518126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it happened because of -triple=blah
< 1346395583 319296 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: -mc?
< 1346395635 799758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mjrosenb: Oh, you're in here already.
< 1346395658 123447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my /msg was redundant as well as incomplete.
< 1346395664 85057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mjrosenb: llvm-mc is great.
< 1346395678 630636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 'mov %eax,%eax' | llvm-mc -show-encoding
< 1346395699 826076 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic, that sounds like a project I half-finished a month ago
< 1346395706 731340 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think I told you about elsewhere
< 1346395718 837424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The REPL?
< 1346395722 245490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just an assembler.
< 1346395732 190199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And disassembler, and things.)
< 1346395735 693134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want the REPL!
< 1346395767 345467 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-140-191.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346395786 711609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mjrosenb: I was "reverse-engineering" some code with some Windows debugger and it was pretty nice.
< 1346395822 135192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At every step it shows you all the registers and memory, whether the current jump will be taken, effects of the current instruction, etc.
< 1346395928 250201 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm still planning on working on it
< 1346395939 176861 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should put some sort of a license on that code
< 1346395950 152877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then other people will surely contribute!
< 1346396149 836442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude, QFC isn't a national supermarket chain.
< 1346396380 791143 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has never heard of QFC

< 1346396411 748040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's only in some parts of the Pacific Northwest.
< 1346396535 55118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum Fried Chicken? 
< 1346397876 479094 :mig22_!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346397876 829449 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346397877 179037 :mig22_!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg NICK :mig22
< 1346399605 344844 :Jon_Frakes!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :itidus21
< 1346402449 258740 :Eladith!~eladith@gzrrplox.kortex.jyu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346404279 131315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I talked to gdb about the cryptography CTF thing and he seems unenthusiastic about doing one which is entirely about cryptography.
< 1346404312 974436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he said he'd love to play one if someone else made it, hint hint.
< 1346404339 452139 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :centucky tsicken fried
< 1346404499 438394 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-147-76.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346404595 298719 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-147-76.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346404718 403218 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346404727 982566 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1346404732 967276 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1346404917 728847 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346405764 694577 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346405786 8319 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346408649 168351 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346408657 561887 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i h�v utf8 now
< 1346408693 906179 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be impossible to get mirc to use it
< 1346408962 509494 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you can tell just from that one character
< 1346408981 944 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably extract my credit card number from it
< 1346409080 284720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CESU-8
< 1346409082 924034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How exciting.
< 1346409158 724858 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have that?
< 1346409165 312955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not.
< 1346409187 508071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm -- I wonder whether *I* have that.
< 1346409188 544099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eek.
< 1346409280 997906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo 㯿
< 1346409286 13427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 㯿
< 1346409289 539989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo hi
< 1346409289 876012 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hi
< 1346409291 903663 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​㯿
< 1346409305 241397 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​㯿
< 1346409330 846163 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i be seeing that as something other than nonsense?
< 1346409359 877375 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :
< 1346409411 884487 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346409422 284971 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:34:17 shachaf • `echo 㯿
< 1346409429 98312 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :still nonsense here
< 1346409436 176515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your UTF-8 is completely broken, yes.
< 1346409450 23106 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it bröken here?
< 1346409467 583541 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is mirc, oklofok is kvirc
< 1346409499 529501 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in both i'm supposedly using utf-8, but apparently it's just too hard to do right.
< 1346409561 681351 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ö
< 1346409581 656732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ó
< 1346409590 331714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :økløpøl
< 1346409594 737234 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm seeing myself right, but oklopol doesn't even see itself right :D
< 1346409600 837081 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey those look right!
< 1346409622 892770 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, that's how you actually write my name
< 1346409638 440184 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the last ø also has an umlaut
< 1346409688 663361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :økløpø̈l
< 1346409702 236961 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1346409723 426086 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although really the first ø also has an underumlaut.
< 1346409735 758427 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pronounced exactly as you'd expect)
< 1346409745 521599 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(double the ö but reversed)
< 1346410284 952574 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok is kvircy
< 1346410411 761413 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346410439 54897 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346411885 52479 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346411943 279959 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE897E5.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346412451 337033 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346412485 697482 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346412499 1106 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1346412499 167535 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1346412549 286265 :Arc_Koen_!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346412549 304728 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346412549 803978 :Arc_Koen_!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net NICK :Arc_Koen
< 1346412971 997104 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1346413146 538865 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> char 48
< 1346413147 444847 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Num.Num GHC.Types.Char)
< 1346413147 689728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from the literal `4...
< 1346413161 464570 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> char '\48'
< 1346413162 566651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0
< 1346413176 124214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\48'
< 1346413177 153718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '0'
< 1346413190 746011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty char
< 1346413191 740244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Char -> Doc
< 1346413197 194942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah.
< 1346413316 734244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 48
< 1346413317 767919 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '0'
< 1346413321 461725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is probably the intention.
< 1346413334 404076 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most definitely
< 1346413349 809141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: Just how many symbols you have in there after your default imports? 
< 1346413363 44391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google inurl:L.hs
< 1346413365 114686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://prospectheights.patch.com/articles/int-l-hs-teacher-takes-kids-ice-skating-for-first-time
< 1346413367 931814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google inurl:L.hs lambdabot
< 1346413369 429573 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/zeekay/lambdabot/src/0e7b40d401e7/State/L.hs
< 1346413383 528889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... Not the optimal result, but it'll do.
< 1346413409 284819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cake !! 1
< 1346413411 196668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "One can prepared coconut pecan frosting."
< 1346413430 229653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse . take 8 . reverse . map head $ cake
< 1346413432 138469 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "ASCIICAT"
< 1346413445 640983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazing.
< 1346413456 2707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"meow"
< 1346413458 901354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :   -- asciicat
< 1346413897 93668 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I had an idea for a new language
< 1346413926 727303 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it draws inspiration from "spacechem"
< 1346414017 422795 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 2-dimensional, with befunge-like commands > another day, another TC proof." with not much context.
< 1346415889 622656 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. good to hear the proof is still good.
< 1346416023 786839 :Kestral!4ad95a32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.217.90.50 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346416057 466477 :Kestral!4ad95a32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.217.90.50 PART :#esoteric
< 1346416562 142703 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-225-141.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346416565 585791 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-85.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346417859 204134 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.41.216 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346418152 260295 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-13.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1346418187 36408 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-13.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346421382 882081 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“According to my map of the yellow woods, this road diverges here.”  “It doesn't matter which road we take: later we'll just TELL people we took the more indie one!”  “Nice! I'm glad we didn't misunderstand this quote as is commonly done.”
< 1346421669 657173 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346422544 334318 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor
< 1346422544 664697 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1346422548 374562 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you quoting something
< 1346422827 893623 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked it up, apparently the first sentence relates to a robert frost poem
< 1346422883 987300 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Dinosaur Comics.
< 1346422899 736128 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: And that's the obvious part. If that's "apparently" then you should consider, y'know, reading something. Ever.
< 1346422948 4713 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm? i've been using irssi+mosh for a while now
< 1346423331 588628 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't know what the fuck was going on with the scottish education board in the 1970s. Do you like whiskey? Do you hate kids? The job's yours."
< 1346423505 611581 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, obviously this was not written by a Scot.
< 1346423537 410124 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it could be a sellout
< 1346423572 584831 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, a True Scotsman wouldn't have even bothered to ask, “do you like whiskey?”
< 1346423574 580090 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's implied.
< 1346423594 185456 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do sense how jarring it is
< 1346423604 995086 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if it was written by me
< 1346423620 80248 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my connection was dropping because i was rebooting the machine on which i run irssi :)
< 1346423633 34393 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no, a true Scotsman wouldn't spell whisky with an 'e'.
< 1346423648 957746 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i did write it!
< 1346423660 722725 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win
< 1346423700 188735 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google says it's from Craig Ferguson, but it's also from a standup routine so the travesty is entirely the fault of whoever transcribed it.
< 1346423707 438459 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i transcribed it
< 1346423722 134704 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scottish whisky doesn't have an 'e' you dolt!
< 1346423746 135231 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hand a feeling something was wrong with it
< 1346423749 824429 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh
< 1346423756 271488 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats wrong with my spelling
< 1346423772 225178 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahem.
< 1346423773 385177 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has an 'e' in it, as I have now told you for the third time.
< 1346423788 942347 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time im complaining about "i hand a feeling"
< 1346423792 375972 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah..
< 1346423804 951509 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i did sense something was wrong with it. i just couldn't place it
< 1346423830 290302 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow language is fun.
< 1346423932 999829 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo test
< 1346423933 167957 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1346423943 244082 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... strange... my bot is still alive here.
< 1346423955 981397 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~help
< 1346423956 151712 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi
< 1346423961 750562 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck
< 1346423962 119310 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- ~duck query
< 1346423962 283983 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Query information from Duck Duck Go
< 1346423969 705193 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck whisky
< 1346423970 45325 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whisky definition: a liquor distilled from fermented wort (as that obtained from rye, corn, or barley mash).
< 1346424005 85128 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck whiskey
< 1346424005 582506 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whisky or whiskey is a type of distilled alcoholic beverage made from fermented grain mash.
< 1346424010 180885 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346424054 787309 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck no true scotsman whiskey
< 1346424071 559732 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1346424099 836083 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346424111 869271 :boily1!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346424153 762851 :boily1!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1346424181 939134 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" "it's the Scotch-Irish (whiskey) in me (lie alert!--I don't drink the stuff)" I believe you.  No true Scotsman would spell whisky that way! "
< 1346424205 169159 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346424265 589586 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346424346 118747 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346424411 895222 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346424512 393383 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck sake
< 1346424512 726516 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sake definition: end, purpose.
< 1346424550 829372 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck fungot
< 1346424551 238272 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information
< 1346424551 902486 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: less fnord ,you could have a fnord sxml there, and those pointers only point to the first
< 1346425204 343198 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-13.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1346425257 342316 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-154-81.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1346425316 215610 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346425708 486981 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :old news "Fabio is rushed to a Virginia hospital after his oddly-proportioned face collides with a goose while he rode in the front of a Busch Gardens roller coaster."
< 1346425786 628958 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Many women wish they could have been in that goose's place on that fateful day. Many women wish they were worthy enough to die on Fabio's face."
< 1346426019 173440 :Eladith!~eladith@gzrrplox.kortex.jyu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346426511 97554 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1346427393 450221 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1346429075 745757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346429389 912884 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346429416 631403 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346429677 595310 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346429967 854258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1346429988 858946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346430016 572334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Did you hear: you're not relevant? 
< 1346430017 273692 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what about numbers? i'm looking for.
< 1346430155 906855 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.41.216 QUIT :Quit: impomatic
< 1346430370 911509 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346430390 375117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1346430474 250407 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1346430647 246104 :Eladith!~eladith@gzrrplox.kortex.jyu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346430779 565017 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does a language with the name 'X' already exist?
< 1346430804 401276 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22
< 1346430809 606206 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It seems likely, but I couldn't find anything on duckduckgo/the esolangs wiki)
< 1346431012 724155 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-225-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but a fairly major program does.
< 1346431040 546792 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I don't like the name that much anyway
< 1346431071 642752 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use it only as the file extension for programs
< 1346431074 384279 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-140-191.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1346431231 261375 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-6-114.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346432011 953312 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346432393 387394 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346432566 682104 :jlaire!~jlaire@80-248-244-51.cust.suomicom.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346432830 968291 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346432982 188983 :jlaire!~jlaire@80-248-244-51.cust.suomicom.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346433301 224302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346433305 69971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages
< 1346433305 275247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages.
< 1346433389 613756 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 Now you have a message.
< 1346433389 780424 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346434097 798992 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting.
< 1346434405 134919 :Guest6575!~anonymous@94.98.60.44 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346434460 919951 :Guest6575!~anonymous@94.98.60.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any one knows what is this virus behiver Shamoon
< 1346434646 170368 :Guest6575!~anonymous@94.98.60.44 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346435170 297733 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE897E5.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346435230 399495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1346435432 531689 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\pedantic{not a program, but a protocol and a set of specifications}
< 1346435444 527121 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :notwithstanding /usr/bin/X
< 1346435584 766516 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if $X() were the name? I guess that would be fine?
< 1346435664 493357 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346435788 550387 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages?
< 1346435788 716292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1346435795 402057 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1346435795 568585 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 13h 50m 12s ago: Try 48 ~!~)): [[48 [)):] [~!~)):] ~~) !][49 [~!~)):] [)):] )~]]
< 1346435887 721465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://2a03.free.fr/?p=pub&dir=zzo38    Now with Mickey Mouse stuff!!
< 1346435887 872073 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1346435889 327256 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan Thue-Morse sequence?
< 1346435889 455939 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346436043 325499 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1346436046 57409 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is that in oerjan's message?
< 1346436051 692202 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fueue
< 1346436061 225641 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346436064 213528 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit
< 1346436155 841453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got a "Segmentation fault (core dumped)" when I tried to feed it to that fueue.c.
< 1346436192 317349 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used my Haskell one that I can't seem to compile with a working main but works in GHCi
< 1346436208 889740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not in the wiki, though.
< 1346436213 738417 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah
< 1346436218 265944 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1346436224 360151 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, ^^^
< 1346436268 665824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: oerjan @told him the same thing.
< 1346436294 385281 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1346436294 596938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose not about the segfault.
< 1346436299 35354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the program.
< 1346436300 683377 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, did you see the update?
< 1346436329 749968 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, you did
< 1346436496 677983 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346436608 474072 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Thue-Morse sequence looks like good movie binary
< 1346436619 652828 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.41.216 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346436737 354000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: What does that mean?
< 1346436759 721025 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I was making a movie and wanted binary to flow down the screen
< 1346436768 365285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1346436768 738687 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To say to viewers "This chap is good at computers"
< 1346436778 184784 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Thue-Morse sequence would be good for that
< 1346436792 784312 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this business you're either a one or a zero, alive or dead
< 1346436927 448754 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However, there are no cubes: instances of XXX."
< 1346436937 814747 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit too nuts for me.
< 1346436998 706496 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346437005 298502 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I've watched the update twice. The second time was in a McDonalds, reading out some of the speech
< 1346437022 984679 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friends don't like that I give Dave a rural Texan accent
< 1346437567 598613 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1346437970 311564 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in follow up to 
< 1346437992 221567 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote world peace
< 1346437996 503978 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :848)  world peace is for fascists
< 1346438010 559540 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, this looks good
< 1346438021 831955 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say, imagine an xkcd what-if about what would happen if there was world peace
< 1346438059 453674 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things never turn out how they're supposed to in a what-if
< 1346438084 222120 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346438141 391860 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346438146 266977 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a program that creates random but plausible-looking UIs that movie audience think look hackery.
< 1346438235 87124 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well theres about 1000 programs to imitate the the matrix UI :D
< 1346438254 473647 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a UI, that's junk scrolling over a screen.
< 1346438267 943691 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UIs involve /interfacing/.
< 1346438271 434240 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1346438274 117722 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file browser in Jurassic Park was a real thing
< 1346438285 966858 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could have been plausibly installed on the computer in question
< 1346438294 369969 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though it was ridiculous
< 1346438304 338553 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*looks it up*
< 1346438318 738992 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the famous quote is said by the little girl
< 1346438349 829680 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was reading someone criticizing that line the other day
< 1346438363 277529 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah yes there's a free clone!
< 1346438460 112667 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://omassix.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/dennis_nedry_cryocan_01.jpg
< 1346438578 114374 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope that guy loses weight some day
< 1346438594 6495 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want him to live to a ripe old age
< 1346439088 657717 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nmap is in a bunch of films
< 1346439097 914934 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :including at least one porno
< 1346439160 720633 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346439182 411596 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: But is it used /metaphorically/ in the porno?
< 1346439196 426003 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Looks like you've got some… wide open ports.”
< 1346439202 518933 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c
< 1346439212 83998 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“I'm gonna need to probe for security vulnerabilities.”
< 1346439232 202746 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Look, what I'm trying to say is, bend over that chair.”
< 1346439495 36479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346439849 470740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an IRIX system that I vaguely recall I tried to install fsn on, but failed, because it didn't have all the necessary development things, and I didn't have the OS media.
< 1346439915 548211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRIX 5.4, I think.
< 1346439938 57988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe 5.2. Who knows.
< 1346440029 320198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, checking the logs, it for some reason had 6.5 stuck on it. (It was one of the R4k models of Indigo.)
< 1346440033 135611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was horreebly slow.
< 1346440168 395264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy australian mailman mailing list reminders day!
< 1346440197 793823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Indigo/Indy/
< 1346440209 596896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "Indigo without the 'go'".)
< 1346440246 569773 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of weird having one of your languages sit relatively obscure for a couple of months then is suddenly implemented and proven probably turing complete
< 1346440307 173025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"proven probably turing complete"?
< 1346440326 973603 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has made a translation to it from a subset of Underload
< 1346440330 497289 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hasn't tested it
< 1346440343 228073 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :May not be QUITE enough to be Turing complete
< 1346440585 56991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's like "almost undecidable", or "just a little bit dead".
< 1346440625 338303 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"slightly pregnant"
< 1346440678 866214 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it's enough to be Turing Complete if it works
< 1346441205 391517 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1346441578 629794 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are operating systems a good thing?
< 1346441587 975764 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :operating systems
< 1346441595 368913 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the worst class i ever took
< 1346441682 927606 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1346441689 20006 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. ok sooner or later
< 1346441749 744690 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer programs are sure to become robust in the same way as a text, or a painting, or a sculpture
< 1346441823 821437 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess in the case of a text they're not all that robust without knowledge of the language
< 1346441835 378925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I head that operating systems are responsible for all those wanton shootings. That batman movie shooter guy? He used an operating system before.
< 1346441875 427000 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1346441966 230707 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346441966 895080 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in the future, the idea will be you can modify a cpu to understand any machine code
< 1346441974 908457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: that's more of a probable proof of Turing Completeness
< 1346441982 597517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you're not sure if it's a proof or not, but it probably is
< 1346441995 666132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: future?
< 1346442005 580640 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1346442011 85749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that right now with FPGAs, it's just really inefficient
< 1346442018 381998 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1346442027 5713 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1346442033 195875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mostly pointless if you aren't reconfiguring them to be massively parallel and special-cased to the program you're trying to run on them
< 1346442043 696068 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :akin to the way that, a human can process any text in any language, by learning the new language
< 1346442067 812261 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so such a cpu could process any program in any machine code, by learning the new machine cde
< 1346442106 783439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would it learn /from/, though?
< 1346442115 480398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely a computer would learn best from the equivalent of a dictionary
< 1346442130 558404 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats how i imagine it
< 1346442163 976233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the equivalent of a dictionary is basically an implementation of each command
< 1346442166 470567 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, so you mean a hardware emulator.
< 1346442175 5944 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its probably too late at night for me
< 1346442178 525636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what you provide to an interpreter (to get an emulator) or an FPGA (to get a synthesized circuit)
< 1346442188 699562 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A generalised hardware emulator, that is.
< 1346442235 690400 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah but i guess that such a thing should always have limits
< 1346442267 320265 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really don't like grey goo
< 1346443111 959579 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's gooey
< 1346443195 807387 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dear god Tumblr has exploded with Homestuck
< 1346443390 379477 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats non-good
< 1346443405 921712 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, this surprises you
< 1346443407 416516 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you like Homestuck
< 1346443409 244776 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what i saw of homestuck... it probably shouldn't spread
< 1346443430 555798 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty spread already.
< 1346443447 298398 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hasn't been referenced in xkcd or SMBC
< 1346443459 179219 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets keep it that way, quintopia
< 1346443473 72108 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think iti has lost it./
< 1346443484 778947 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little
< 1346443503 698276 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or has arranged his keyboard into alphabetic order and missed the P for Phantom_Hoover 
< 1346443534 515337 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just ... tripping out
< 1346443555 454152 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are
< 1346443558 310942 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you on drugs
< 1346443561 952819 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1346443568 140302 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's on itidus-iness
< 1346443571 315076 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346443596 549817 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome rodgort
< 1346443598 374297 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't think its for the greater good if the world at large discovers homestuck
< 1346443599 976615 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rodgort: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1346443604 491024 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was out of line
< 1346443665 411564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPGAs can be inefficient although every one is different from each other and requires special software to be able to program. My suggestion would be to use a actual CPU as well as FPGA, but open specification versions of both.
< 1346443692 815385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346443747 294317 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anxiety got the better of me tonight
< 1346443855 958084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably with certain kinds of CPU might be able to speed it up, as well as the way the memory is being connected, and with FPGA as a part of it.
< 1346443872 253844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also be able to reprogram the CPU's microcode at runtime if it has any.
< 1346443877 60810 :jlaire!~jlaire@80-248-244-51.cust.suomicom.fi PART :#esoteric
< 1346443919 725000 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a better question is, is it possible to describe a natural human language in such terms as to be able to decipher it without reference to another language
< 1346443939 764432 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days it seems to be the case
< 1346444026 246710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1346444026 569886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen said 8h 26m 39s ago: 48 ~!~)): [[48 [)):] [~!~)):] ~~) !][49 [~!~)):] [)):] )~]] prints an infinite loop of 0 and 1s... except it doesn't print anything until the loop is over, which never
< 1346444026 735872 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens.
< 1346444026 763032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen said 8h 25m 4s ago: interestingly, infinite loops with the ocaml interpreter seem to go forever; with the C interpreter they always end up in a segfault
< 1346444026 763224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq asked 2h 15m 37s ago: Thue-Morse sequence?
< 1346444070 457751 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it seems my Haskell interpreter would be the best if I could just get the goddamn main function working
< 1346444083 507986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: didn't the one i pasted work? :(
< 1346444085 342081 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main isn't a function
< 1346444087 77521 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell
< 1346444115 364367 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, "main" is a function that makes a haskell program an executable if you define it with type IO (), I mean that one
< 1346444116 522130 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1346444129 473881 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a function
< 1346444131 962168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But (IO ()) is not a function type.
< 1346444132 625829 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have a -> in its type
< 1346444136 978254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A function type is (->)
< 1346444143 369516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i know, it's probably because it never prints a newline, EgoBot's interpreters have the same problem (i modified my /// interpreter for it specifically to get around it)
< 1346444144 364992 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...
< 1346444149 804249 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just call everything a function
< 1346444152 507975 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 is a function
< 1346444155 937556 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :() is a function
< 1346444156 811113 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's wrong
< 1346444161 33754 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's wrong
< 1346444162 44029 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are saying wrong things
< 1346444164 368008 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't do that
< 1346444172 71000 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just how I think and sometimes when I think things I end up saying them
< 1346444176 435460 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "main" thingymabob
< 1346444180 662062 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"value"
< 1346444185 336206 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in this case "IO action"
< 1346444185 354740 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds wrong
< 1346444186 299713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: adding fflush(stdout) before every printing _should_ fix that.
< 1346444189 996923 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's not wrong
< 1346444201 916201 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I could get main working
< 1346444204 655554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he doesn't seem very present
< 1346444241 691938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could call all the function, IO, etc, all a "value", just because in Haskell they are a first-class value.
< 1346444261 84264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen Adding fflush(stdout) before each printing may fix the trouble of the thue-morse program not printing anything, EgoBot's interpreters have the same problem (i modified my /// interpreter for it specifically to get around it)
< 1346444261 262753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346444309 732912 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I know exactly what the problem is
< 1346444320 855583 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The parser doesn't handle whitespace QUITE correctly
< 1346444321 182754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: (that's a yes to your question too)
< 1346444327 589284 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay)
< 1346444359 278109 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need that function from Prelude.Generalize
< 1346444368 510433 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't want to force people to use an obscure library
< 1346444421 306065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which function from Prelude.Generalize? If you do not want to force people to use that library, just copy the function. Prelude.Generalize is in the public domain.
< 1346444421 872842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: what is wrong with my main :(
< 1346444436 669392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's mainly in Spain.
< 1346444437 338652 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing, it's a problem with the parser
< 1346444441 196931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1346444461 860604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: yeah in parsec you usually want to skip space after every token read
< 1346444466 4464 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It fails when there's whitepsace at the back
< 1346444482 624890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at the very beginning
< 1346444522 58290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means every new subparser can start on non-whitespace, which simplifies things
< 1346444538 758491 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works now!
< 1346444571 974098 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I'm encountering the same problems as Arc_Koen 
< 1346444577 773797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1346444588 844373 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to different default buffering stuff in GHCi and compiled programs, I presume
< 1346444592 365360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Tell me which function you needed from Prelude.Generalize I am interested to know which one.
< 1346444610 73916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: hflush stdout before printing should help there too :)
< 1346444621 757353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er after, i guess
< 1346444625 819457 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, (<>>=)
< 1346444639 168191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen um i mean _after_ printing, of course
< 1346444639 337431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346444681 807732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that setbuffering stuff might not also be used
< 1346444690 258945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: OK. Just copy it to your program; it is public domain.
< 1346444710 974559 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it's easier to just name it and return it later
< 1346444726 742786 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then, do it that way if you prefer.
< 1346444765 396988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : There is but it doesn't return them in lexicographic order =P <-- they decided to make it work on infinite lists instead.
< 1346444772 166135 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, fixed it
< 1346444778 714000 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hSetBuffering stdout NoBuffering
< 1346444785 136639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1346444841 800169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> permutations "abcde"
< 1346444842 796028 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["abcde","bacde","cbade","bcade","cabde","acbde","dcbae","cdbae","cbdae","d...
< 1346444866 678812 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> permutations "01"
< 1346444867 676630 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["01","10"]
< 1346444881 445097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is it actually lexicographical order of the reverse?
< 1346444906 600687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse <$> permutations "edcba"
< 1346444907 635113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["abcde","abced","abedc","abecd","abdec","abdce","aedcb","aedbc","aebdc","a...
< 1346444917 206147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope not even that
< 1346444935 829260 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse $ permutations "edcba"
< 1346444936 907263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["dbeac","dbaec","dabec","adbec","debac","deabc","daebc","adebc","edbac","e...
< 1346444942 739489 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that either
< 1346444948 170035 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src permutations
< 1346444948 335565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found.
< 1346444956 941872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty new function
< 1346444963 540676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Data.List
< 1346444971 907409 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know where it is
< 1346444977 314759 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1346445012 648444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... where perms [] _  = []; perms (t:ts) is = foldr interleave (perms ts (t:is)) (permutations is) where interleave = complicated-looking stuff.
< 1346445082 456690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexicographic order of the reverse would have been more logical, i think
< 1346445098 928470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it works even for infinite lists
< 1346445157 431347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well with a reverse that returns a leftward infinite list)
< 1346445167 664240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 10 $ take 3 <$> permutations [1..]
< 1346445168 738382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[1,2,3],[2,1,3],[3,2,1],[2,3,1],[3,1,2],[1,3,2],[4,3,2],[3,4,2],[3,2,4],[4...
< 1346445270 236215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just a coincidence that  take 6 $ take 3 <$> permutations [1..]  equals  permutations [1,2,3]  or not? 
< 1346445451 778149 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346445674 19433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no that's intentional, it does all permutations of the first n before even looking whether there is more in the list
< 1346445697 577791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 3 <$> permutations ("abc" ++ undefined)
< 1346445699 516810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["abc","bac","cba","bca","cab","acb"*Exception: Prelude.undefined
< 1346445716 909091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that sounded a'sense.
< 1346445817 747059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximal laziness and all that.
< 1346446302 33877 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-225-141.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1346446306 444412 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-4.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346446336 399361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: btw i assume this means my thue-morse sequence worked?
< 1346446341 431027 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1346446344 826329 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it did
< 1346446351 427388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i can put it on the wiki.
< 1346446432 565168 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys still talking about permutations
< 1346446529 920667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, now we're talking about fueue
< 1346446783 743540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfueuetions. Fuemutations. Permueues.
< 1346446816 403435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i say, imagine an xkcd what-if about what would happen if there was world peace <-- after the .75 c (or so) baseball and the jumping i think we can all see how that would go.
< 1346446851 17149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the half-full glass that ended up in someone's face.
< 1346446855 848275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1346446882 648320 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably the only person who wanted Haskell syntax highlighting on Tumblr
< 1346446910 192142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think xkcd what-if needs better navigation soon, there isn't even a link to the first one
< 1346446920 141540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*direct link
< 1346446981 517724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is no tumblr land
< 1346447119 265394 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1346447143 424373 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346447143 487516 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1346447148 317897 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346447162 685396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : May not be QUITE enough to be Turing complete <-- i'm pretty confident of the basic principle, even if my translation might have bugs
< 1346447174 524307 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realised that later
< 1346447208 929173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in
< 1346447221 503177 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My doubt was caused by a misremembrance of Underload
< 1346447292 256535 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, this is slow
< 1346447336 652739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it would be possible to do the rest of the underload functions as well, except plain S, but they take two stack arguments and * and a would need to build something complicated so they would be much more work
< 1346447394 818397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ~ might be somewhere in between
< 1346447489 196856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm apparently "confident of" and "confident in" are both considered correct
< 1346447508 175951 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :English.
< 1346447518 747446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well by this one person anyhow :P
< 1346447548 469954 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't decide between the genitive and the locative.
< 1346447574 503033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall those were equal for some latin nouns
< 1346447614 946188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "domi"
< 1346447626 144516 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin isn't English.
< 1346447700 131893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :english doesn't really have locative
< 1346447702 824015 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making English Latin is to, despite all common sense, cling to an ideal that, many centuries ago, you ascended from.
< 1346447714 737911 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really have genitive either
< 1346447732 100811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but at least 's is descended from it
< 1346447746 874077 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the possessive, which is different, I think?
< 1346447778 221906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-s is a pretty common genitive ending in those germanic languages which still have it
< 1346447785 947442 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it?
< 1346447786 482095 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1346447811 55503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(norwegian still has -s, but it's mostly used like in english so may not count)
< 1346447832 105008 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :demi,  term meaning half and also eponymous name describing the ratio of her age to her partners
< 1346447883 612655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um you realize that ratio isn't constant right?
< 1346447892 707522 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346447899 755531 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out their actual ages are 49 and 34
< 1346447927 211380 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its a vast exaggeration
< 1346447944 656040 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346448288 943586 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-128.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346448291 765572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If you round ages to years and switch every year...
< 1346448303 584959 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-57.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1346448358 23398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1346448492 424837 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-128.as13285.net NICK :atriq
< 1346448530 634140 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346448708 711710 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-128.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodnight
< 1346449163 213831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have added some of the instructions to RogueVM now, and fixed a few other things; tell me if you have any suggestions/comments, and if you have idea what other instructions you think should be needed.
< 1346449525 141345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/120831.html :P
< 1346449919 716245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Ah. The .ma.comcast.net and frequent disconnections misled me.
< 1346450297 598018 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be disconnecting anymore :)
< 1346450326 786587 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the host running irssi is my desktop in ma on comcast
< 1346450563 838125 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if you have any idea why infinite loops end up in a segmentation fault with fueue.c, please let me know
< 1346450564 168946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1346450569 476303 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1346450569 642501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1h 45m 9s ago: Adding fflush(stdout) before each printing may fix the trouble of the thue-morse program not printing anything, EgoBot's interpreters have the same problem (i modified my /
< 1346450569 807512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :// interpreter for it specifically to get around it)
< 1346450569 826067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1h 38m 50s ago: um i mean _after_ printing, of course
< 1346450627 854242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: there is probably also some function to set stdout to unbuffered, but i don't recall what it is in C.
< 1346450771 618607 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, fflush(sdtout); seems good enough
< 1346450773 673309 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0110100110010110100101100110100110010110011010010110100110010110100101100110100101101001100101100110100110010110100101100110100110Segmentation fault
< 1346450785 387052 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I still don't get what the segfault is here for
< 1346450788 283441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1346450796 296979 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should check tail-recursivity

< 1346450799 537550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it happens after several iterations...
< 1346450809 251674 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346450809 588589 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it always happen with infinite loops
< 1346450818 993391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not many enough to have run out of memory
< 1346450823 599703 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ocaml version seems quite happy to go on forever, though
< 1346450839 810164 :osdevcapacitor!a6b6509f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.166.182.80.159 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346450847 296613 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now that I think of it, someone pointed out a few memory leaks
< 1346450855 788930 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should fix them
< 1346450887 89204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you are freeing too much at some point too?
< 1346450906 547473 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time I did that gcc kept me informed
< 1346450940 948055 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I download a thuemorse interpreter and pipe the result, will it work?$
< 1346450957 183354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it allowed in C for a void function to return f(...) if f is also a void function?
< 1346450962 66062 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it really an infinite loop? or does it stop at some point?
< 1346450983 691431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it is infinite yes
< 1346451007 866782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also thue-morse isn't a language, it's an infinite sequence.
< 1346451013 803466 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1346451030 930902 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got confused by the expression "the thue-morse program"
< 1346451060 64257 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, imagine I make a program that takes binary code as an input
< 1346451079 325224 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or at least a sequence of 0s and 1s, cause I think binary code is something else)
< 1346451100 676316 :osdevcapacitor!a6b6509f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.166.182.80.159 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1346451102 832936 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to have the two of them work simultaneously, via a pipe or stdin or whatever
< 1346451118 652904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, a pipe will do
< 1346451159 154822 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestig
< 1346451264 785612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note many of your functions suppose q not empty.  it might be an idea to put in a debug check that the supposition isn't violated.
< 1346451319 974224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the kind of thing that could easily give a segmentation fault, i think
< 1346451461 10452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: the ):[):] loop also gives a segmentation fault?
< 1346451471 629161 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1346451499 558500 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1346451541 963642 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, how are errors signaled in C, usually?
< 1346451557 24110 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if I use "return -1" or something it's not very explicit
< 1346451567 310347 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I make an error function that prints stuff on stderr?
< 1346451593 483373 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for instance is there an equivalent to ocaml's exceptions?)
< 1346451791 554297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :printing on stderr is good, i think.  also exit(EXIT_FAILURE); is the portable way to do a failure exit, if i understand exit's manpage correctly.
< 1346451947 146639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on linux, other values are used by some programs, and anything not 0 is some kind of error.
< 1346451955 138489 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is_empty(q) && errorfunction("empty"));
< 1346451956 631816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afair
< 1346451968 718817 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that may not be the best way to write that
< 1346451976 840419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1346452088 374987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think s != "" is the correct way to check for string emptyness.  otoh you never _call_ matchwhat with an empty string so it doesn't matter.
< 1346452122 572869 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1346452163 663931 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday I tried to compare argv[1]'s content with a quote-enclosed string :-)
< 1346452167 212859 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :using ==
< 1346452319 760172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!*s is the idiomatical empty-string test, I'd say.
< 1346452394 680708 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I should take those habits
< 1346452412 560130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for "tail-recursivity", no such thing in C.
< 1346452419 745339 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1346452434 442542 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do I avoid a stack overflow or the like?
< 1346452438 617764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you happen to get a really clever compiler, and turn enough optimization flags on.
< 1346452443 550471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't recurse infinitely.
< 1346452444 49744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes !*s is a way to test empty string in C, and is what I use too.
< 1346452474 259464 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't we have a nice "strempty" function or somethign?
< 1346452495 408495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :strcmp(s, "") == 0  is a possible semantically semantical way.
< 1346452500 929138 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1346452518 195879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, gcc -O2 makes your fueue.c not segfault in the oerjogram, for me.
< 1346452519 639058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so but I prefer !*s and I think is better way.
< 1346452527 673997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the non-optimized build segfault is a stack overflow issue.
< 1346452549 207604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Run in gdb, ask for backtrace, get a long list.)
< 1346452617 767496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1346452622 838159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of infinite recursion you have there, anyway? I didn't notice anything else than processFueue, with a self-call all the way in the end.
< 1346452634 996409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then tail-recursiveness might be the problem
< 1346452641 707632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fix that by wrapping the entire thing inside a do { ... } while (!halts);
< 1346452648 418887 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well processFueue is recursive and oerjan's program is an infinite loop
< 1346452654 29288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even calls itself with the same arguments.
< 1346452661 903695 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so processFueue won't stop calling itself until the program ends, which never happens
< 1346452683 326651 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite - it calls itself with the same queue, but the queue has been slightly modified
< 1346452699 343080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it's been modified even if you just loop.
< 1346452712 280428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same 'q' in both cases.
< 1346452716 64373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah just turn that into a do while
< 1346452725 355150 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :(
< 1346452746 303141 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346452749 661765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might need to do something about "Queue newq", though, if references to that are actually kept.
< 1346452774 963663 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1346452793 555593 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'd have to make it a Queue* instead
< 1346452796 603509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "something" might be e.g. Queue *newq and a newq = malloc(sizeof *newq) in the ( handler. But not necessarily.
< 1346452808 953815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not really be used.
< 1346452834 788906 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used by the fueue function '('
< 1346452846 518372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but since the queue elements have an actual "Queue" in them, so I suppose pushblock() makes a copy.
< 1346452863 635254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of storing a pointer to newq itself anywhere.
< 1346452880 618829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it has to, it's even called-by-value by giving a newq.
< 1346452894 636152 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeaaaaaah more or less
< 1346452901 762940 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the queue is copied
< 1346452914 816208 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Queue is a structure that basically contains a length and two pointers
< 1346452922 318566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't matter.
< 1346452924 141864 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so these two pointers aren't modified by pushblock
< 1346452927 333143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make it nonrecursive then you don't need the halts variable, you can just do return directly
< 1346452949 843689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that is in the stack (i.e. locals of processFueue) is the 'Queue' structure itself.
< 1346452952 250868 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(true)? that seems mean
< 1346452959 230957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :while (1), you mean.
< 1346452961 632656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no 'true'.
< 1346452972 682821 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, right
< 1346452974 127431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though for (;;) is kind of common too.
< 1346452990 624859 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a #define TRUE 1 though
< 1346452998 536591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like for(;;)
< 1346453002 615404 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after gcc told me he didn't know what true was)
< 1346453018 370348 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also he told me he didn't know a function named bool :) )
< 1346453047 346391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would that function even do? 
< 1346453060 790083 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in english I'd tend to read "for(;;)" as "while no condition is true"
< 1346453080 294839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you #include  in a C99 system, you will get a type called 'bool', and constants 'true' and 'false'.
< 1346453084 63406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: C is not English.
< 1346453091 508539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even if you don't, '_Bool' is a type in C99.)
< 1346453106 974850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that there's any particular reason to go for C99 features if you don't already.
< 1346453111 994791 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do people use C99?
< 1346453115 96446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1346453117 620914 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought C89 was the reference
< 1346453118 951827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not all people.
< 1346453133 166255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people even use some C11.
< 1346453152 105092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc and a few other compilers can also use GNU extensions, GNU89 and GNU99. (I prefer GNU89 for my own programs.)
< 1346453156 696354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99 isn't terribly rare, though it suffers in popularity due to Microsoft's compiler not doing it.
< 1346453158 637498 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone developed a version of C in 1911? wow, they were ahead of their time!
< 1346453312 363926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to valgrind, incidentally, the program still leaks memory. About a megabyte per second when running the oerjogram.
< 1346453347 790340 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's this immediate dereferencing of a function-returned pointer you mentioned
< 1346453361 894911 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably others as well
< 1346453389 992195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1346453396 254979 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the queue is not emptied when the program halts, but I was told the OS would take care of that
< 1346453407 240378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's still there? But that's fixable simply by changing copyQueue to return a Queue instead of a Queue*.
< 1346453469 368382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queue copyQueue(const Queue *q) { Queue c; ...; return c; }   c->block = copyQueue(...)   and that should be it. Well, with some &s added in copyQueue.
< 1346453488 986847 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it's fixed
< 1346453526 389304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll do some sleeping now. But all the reported leaked blocks were from the malloc call in copyQueue, at least.
< 1346453608 177577 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my head it went "a Queue basically is a pointer, so using Queue* is silly" then "no, it makes a lot of sense to use Queue* in some cases" then "there's no reason why not to use Queue* everywhere"
< 1346453640 748455 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I put a return in a void function?
< 1346453644 712041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1346453652 383111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as it's just a "return;".
< 1346453655 609239 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346453657 485898 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1346453684 44642 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346453689 260893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use more Queue*s sensibly if your struct Token had a Queue* instead of a Queue, but I suppose that might make it easier to accidentally share Queues.
< 1346453746 285969 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural language is really bad at describing a large set of elements of the same type with different values
< 1346453775 537421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh, since you asked: "A return statement with an expression shall not appear in a function whose return type is void. A return statement without an expression shall only appear in a function whose return type is void."
< 1346453790 639862 :nortti!~juhani@87-95-102-3.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346453829 997042 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as a 10 by 10 grid of random colours from {red, green, blue, violet, orange}
< 1346453867 677751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why we have mathematics and computer files
< 1346453917 213683 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-6-114.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346454243 352586 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? they told me it was because wells were not hexagons
< 1346454483 619824 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now to write a book where wells are hexagons and mathematics don't exist)
< 1346454513 889699 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION packs up to move to Arc_Koen's Well of Souls

< 1346454588 477875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RogueVM now includes a complicated instruction 0x11 which can be used inside of a string.
< 1346454622 870948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should point out that my thue-morse program _does_ cause the queue to grow indefinitely, as every printed digit other than the first is accompanied by appending blocks for two later digits.
< 1346454645 689695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i assume valgrind doesn't count that as leakage
< 1346454694 258366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in case you're still here ^
< 1346454694 277263 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I tried your program with fueue.c; as it didn't work I tried it with fueue.ml; as it didn't work I tried it with fueue.c using --print
< 1346454706 153958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1346454715 283513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it worked for atriq
< 1346454728 71801 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just the fflush problem
< 1346454733 343946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1346454746 783218 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is atriq's interpreter working?
< 1346454784 345028 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using --print the huge queue was all over the place)
< 1346454842 208033 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, I'm convinced I don't need to do anything about newq
< 1346454903 653419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i think so, he also had a buffering problem but fixed it with hSetBuffering instead of hFlush
< 1346455041 684971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypothesis: a ftack program can only run something like m*n steps before either halting, catting, or endlessly copying :'s; where m is the maximal number in the program and n is the program length.
< 1346455179 836353 :Sanqui!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346455272 591471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you have to prove it.
< 1346455451 891290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's basically (1) because all arithmetic results get immediately printed, a $ can never use higher numbers than those in the original program (2) every function other than : and $ shorten the program (3) everything you can copy other than : either goes into the three end states immediately or removes itself one copy per step
< 1346455490 87090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shorten the queue
< 1346455512 497778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no, program, ) only shortens if you consider the length of the block contents
< 1346455547 354428 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I produce a counter example
< 1346455549 24390 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now
< 1346455552 14680 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-4.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1346455554 915436 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-139-51.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346455575 42389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* shorten the queue or goes into an end state
< 1346455595 425730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, *program
< 1346455620 818486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ( lengthens but gives a block on top
< 1346455622 13540 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)[)[)[)[)[)[)[)[)[)[)[)[)[)[)[0H]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
< 1346455647 355419 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as many steps as ')' (plus the 0 and H)
< 1346455654 889594 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet m is 0, so m*n is 0 as well
< 1346455664 681056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1346455691 503170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i said "something like", i expect there might need to be a small added constant.
< 1346455711 889293 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an extra factor/
< 1346455732 989175 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( and < both produce immediate cat
< 1346455738 912820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1346455763 896641 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are either lacking an argument (-> immediate cat) or they have correct arguments and produce a block (-> immediate cat)
< 1346455785 824605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i _think_ that's unnecessary.
< 1346455819 431471 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can Arc_Koen's example be extended indefinitely?
< 1346455841 405258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well sure.  although it's the 0 that's the point, not the rest.
< 1346455865 741506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (m+1)*n, or possibly (m+C)*n, is my guess
< 1346455874 677611 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was gonna suggest the first
< 1346455912 108697 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think it's dangerous to make jokes in front of religious or computerish people
< 1346455928 525670 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a joke
< 1346455932 63047 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good
< 1346455934 440552 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so good
< 1346455936 588619 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to hear it
< 1346455939 420349 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1346455956 363859 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have been posted here before ...
< 1346455962 640559 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the point is that )[x] has always exactly one more step than x
< 1346455971 560895 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I included the 0 to be sure what m was
< 1346455988 356102 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: does your joke involve a duck?
< 1346455999 21285 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: no
< 1346456016 741642 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346456055 5014 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a proof that the cube root of 2 is irrational. :P
< 1346456080 123400 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1346456089 454278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prepareth the swatter

< 1346456098 577361 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, was that not the joke?)
< 1346456104 780146 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1346456138 164021 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: even with copyQueue fixed and processFueue a while loop, I still get a segfault on oerjan's thuemorse program
< 1346456143 71679 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, here it goes: If it were rational, then we could express it as a fraction p/q, p,q integers
< 1346456162 642331 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 2=p³/q³
< 1346456168 928110 :nortti!~juhani@87-95-102-3.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )
< 1346456173 507973 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 2q³=p³
< 1346456189 313238 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so q³+q³=p³
< 1346456198 561378 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which contradicts the fermat-wile theorem
< 1346456203 997968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, cube root of 2 is irrational
< 1346456209 60982 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oO
< 1346456217 863288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i don't think fizzie is listening at the moment
< 1346456220 829475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats quintopia -----###

< 1346456237 850770 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :q=1 p=1 doesn't violate Fermat
< 1346456238 316672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's wiles
< 1346456238 650191 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you don't like it? :P
< 1346456244 591515 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1346456254 425588 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I can't add
< 1346456265 310907 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently 1+1=1 in my world.
< 1346456266 921035 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes he has a lot of friend whom it would make laugh

< 1346456269 628816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, it is the Fermat's Last Theorem.
< 1346456279 537975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well i couldn't let a prepared swatter go wasted
< 1346456281 224159 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the same thought as you Sgeo
< 1346456311 300154 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I didn't go so far as to realize how wrong I was)
< 1346456344 935051 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If p and q are not necessarily integers, p=cuberoot(2)
< 1346456347 347263 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :q=1
< 1346456362 990486 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1^3 + 1^3 = cuberoot(2)^3
< 1346456366 34664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo can't read either.
< 1346456368 778464 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't violate Fermet
< 1346456384 461387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or spell.
< 1346456386 3319 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Fermat specify that the numbers need to be integers?
< 1346456395 950303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that doesn't because Fermat's Theorem is for natural numbers only
< 1346456400 825423 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok
< 1346456418 921160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also quintopia specified that p and q were integers.
< 1346456438 262863 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I was ignoring that because I was curious about non-integers and Fermat's Theorem
< 1346456464 307159 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: for any number a and non-negative number n, a^n + a^n = (nthroot(2)a)^n
< 1346456466 421296 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: you're right. you can't tell jokes to some people.
< 1346456489 687608 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that was pretty conclusive I think
< 1346456532 63501 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that won't stop me from trying to prove oerjan's hypothesis about Ftack, though)
< 1346457075 253165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm might need +2
< 1346457083 795458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because : doesn't need any number
< 1346457098 910823 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1346457122 690033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or max(3,m+1)
< 1346457127 441826 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but as I said, )[x] takes one more than x
< 1346457143 48066 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm pretty sure we have to use O(...) in your hypothesis
< 1346457166 370808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i never said it couldn't be _less_ than (m+C)*n
< 1346457182 146402 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1346457191 800358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didn't mean to, anyway
< 1346457226 739808 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but what if we find something similar to )[x] but that adds more than the size it adds
< 1346457239 637904 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure how much '[' is considered to add)
< 1346457303 597366 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1346457314 850080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's very important how much you count [ and ] as
< 1346457334 776878 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to get explain his point clearly, succeeds, but doesn't because he realizes it doesn't make sense

< 1346457347 269642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing that adds them is (, which causes immediate catting
< 1346457364 119588 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but you can have them in the initial program
< 1346457403 133612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes. i think i'm sort of thinking of counting lexical tokens.
< 1346457413 430865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so [ and ] are one each
< 1346457414 97741 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, !! adds with a ratio of 1
< 1346457428 755533 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)[x] adds with a ratio of one third then
< 1346457450 398145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: er what the heck are you thinking, !! removes two elements
< 1346457461 153497 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1346457466 426750 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the time it adds
< 1346457476 671382 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :before one of the three ending conditions is met
< 1346457491 301433 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cat, ::, H)
< 1346457493 545070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you don't need to consider things that remove _more_ than one token per step
< 1346457522 729069 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, !! only adds one step
< 1346457523 731175 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1346457529 512635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ removes three elements, anyway
< 1346457538 554627 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh?
< 1346457538 721866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er two
< 1346457562 842173 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still proves that C must be more than 0.5