< 1345852847 794904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFlhi < 1345852887 974913 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1345852903 244288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just saying hi to FireFly. < 1345852907 701857 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1345852920 912419 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :A shachaf < 1345852944 42909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:01 i prefer to say c/c++ because of the ability to overlap < 1345852978 574102 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1345854100 792884 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to keep track of all the different shootings in america these days < 1345854124 372962 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like practically every day some guy fires a gun into a crowd to let off some steam < 1345854176 820145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-celebrates-full-week-without-deadly-mass-sh,29293/ < 1345854782 434917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should quit #haskell. < 1345854849 94148 :Nisstyre_!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345854930 86208 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A fired women's apparel designer shot dead a former colleague outside the Empire State Building in New York City before he was killed by police. < 1345854930 271213 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nine others were hit by bullets, some possibly fired by police, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said." < 1345854958 554926 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frankly hitting the right person at least 10% of the time is impressive for someone who couldn't even cut it as a women's apparel designer. < 1345854968 942762 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345854997 488575 :yours_truly!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345855001 107090 :Nisstyre_!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345855035 903611 :yours_truly!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345855053 64113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good, we can't have clones wandering about in the channel. < 1345855078 714155 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1345855090 924821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1345855192 335870 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345855250 316483 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i bet some of the best marks[wo]men in the world would be terrible at women's apparel designing < 1345855349 714829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Goodnight < 1345855622 947090 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Facebook just announced that Frank Gehry of Gehry Partners... will design a new 3,400 employee engineering campus connected to its current HQ by an underground tunnel." < 1345855626 115112 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaha suckers < 1345855695 277680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1345855740 263497 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he designed the Stata Center < 1345855740 972283 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_and_Maria_Stata_Center < 1345855743 949929 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which shachaf has been inside) < 1345855758 440430 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cool looking building, but it sucks at those boringly pedestrian building tasks < 1345855764 925280 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as "keeping water on the outside of the building" < 1345855767 736046 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "being navigable" < 1345855878 498467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MIT campus is pretty nice. < 1345855892 949636 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1345855898 203283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked it more than most other university campuses I've seen. < 1345855898 609694 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw a bunny behind stata once < 1345855902 50376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is admittedly not that many. < 1345855911 558311 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool how it's integrated with urban Cambridge and by extension Boston < 1345855982 450607 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most college campuses i've been to are more like their own little worlds < 1345855991 685969 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there's selection bias there < 1345856002 638345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Stanford campus especially. < 1345856012 1789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because it's so big. < 1345856014 852274 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i have walked around NYU buildings a whole lot without thinking "oh, i'm at NYU" < 1345856118 516394 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stanford's campus seems annoyingly large < 1345856129 937707 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :caltech's campus is nicely compact < 1345856143 736114 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have biked from one corner to the other in about 4 minutes (recklessly) < 1345856554 433962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read _Cat's Cradle_? < 1345856574 10231 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1345856588 90870 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahaha, Oracle markets Solaris 11 as “The First Cloud OS” < 1345856625 271998 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :loloracle < 1345858092 307619 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (itidus21 mode engage) it's interesting that the global standard for distributing networked applications evolved from a system for distributing mere hypertext documents < 1345858110 122427 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the meantime so many attempts at a deliberate standard for networked applications failed < 1345858120 860696 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there is any deep truth behind this or if it's just historical accident < 1345858218 980896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most of those attempts were "before their time" in various ways. < 1345858222 896202 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1345858230 672877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some technical and some social. < 1345858234 226105 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :java plugins failed and so now we have flash instead :( < 1345858247 47759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas distributing documents is something that people have always done and wanted. < 1345858250 402358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is it?) < 1345858253 868981 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i think so < 1345858287 678388 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the web's evolution means there was no particular point where some particular entity owned it, and could force bad technology to drive short-sighted business value < 1345858316 371326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Did any of the "standards for networked applications" have that property? < 1345858331 670166 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1345858336 291411 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm failing to come up with examples < 1345858346 688258 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java plugins are one (even if they piggybacked on the pre-application Web) < 1345858356 626007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was NeWS in the good old days. < 1345858359 494686 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the various proprietary online services like AOL < 1345858371 109373 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about NeWS < 1345858373 609460 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1345858404 935116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS < 1345858412 603743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "AJAX" but with PostScript. < 1345858426 285054 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting < 1345858430 133068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Server-side applications that delivered Display PostScript code to clients. < 1345858447 484432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used it or anything but I gather it was pretty nice, at least in theory. < 1345858465 283931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether PostScript is better or worse than HTML+CSS+JavaScript. < 1345858485 906840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeWS was in the 1980s, anyway. < 1345858517 718067 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, i can wikipedia something even if i can't google it < 1345858610 116853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what it wolud take to replace web applications these days. < 1345858626 258466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope something does. :-( < 1345858677 882685 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1345858685 258390 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a pretty good outcome < 1345858688 874033 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to the alternatives < 1345858697 404980 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(real and hypothetical) < 1345858713 782645 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you designed something to be what web apps today are, and beautifully elegant < 1345858721 500965 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people would immediately start abusing it to do all kinds of other things < 1345859046 255508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Se "FreeT" in edwardkese is "Stream" in GHCese. < 1345859079 609662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's true. I hate evolution sometimes. :-( < 1345859093 628115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In a general sense of the word.) < 1345859095 730760 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-226-205.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345859132 887407 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the web app stack is pretty sane compared to a lot of the things people have to deal with < 1345859136 329699 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ask me again in 6 months ;) < 1345859150 794466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1345859163 20073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess everything people build abstractions on top of is pretty insane. < 1345859258 249004 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flickr.com/photos/25885309@N02/2431709647/in/set-72157604661612578/lightbox/ < 1345859286 171837 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-139-23.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1345859394 169836 :mig21a!~mig@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1345861957 377495 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345862058 241496 :mig21a!~mig@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1345862281 217606 :mig21a!~mig@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1345862721 3812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I prefer "FreeT" (if it is the FreeT which I think of) < 1345862751 137672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Stream m a b = Stream { runStream :: m (Either b (a, Stream m a b)) } < 1345862877 245126 :mig21a!~mig@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1345863156 5322 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-110.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345863184 718819 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-226-205.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1345863750 885717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is similar to the FreeT. In this case: type Stream m a = FreeT ((,) a) m < 1345863786 305290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, isn't Stream just = FreeT? < 1345864119 922073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1345864133 826547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk said it was. < 1345864255 407534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is edwardk on? Mention these thing see what they would say. < 1345864272 972046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That type Stream is not even the correct kind to be a monad transformer, though. < 1345864392 293743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess it is FreeT of (,) or something. < 1345864586 782415 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how in television and movies, any time a fire alarm goes off, the sprinklers go off too < 1345864795 853003 :mig21a!~mig@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1345864922 873958 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1345865313 959401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Make up a TV show that doesn't have sprinklers. < 1345865373 950733 :mig21a!~mig@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1345865568 590073 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-95.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345865588 813640 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-110.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1345866754 985945 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer freezes momentarily when I put headphones in. HOW IS THAT EVEN A THING THAT SOFTWARE NOTICES? < 1345867118 101826 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why shouldn't it be? it is useful information < 1345867157 840612 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, many phones will pause playback when you unplug your headphones < 1345867180 590994 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this prevents the situation where the headphones fall out, it plays through the speaker, and now everyone in the room hears your shitty embarassing music < 1345867215 66259 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is useful to have different volume settings for speaker and headphones < 1345867227 122540 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but that could be accomplished by sending both settings to the sound card, without the driver finding out which one is in use) < 1345867275 765092 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop has the headphone jack on the edge closest to my abdomen / crotch < 1345867286 904908 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my headphone plug sticks out several cm < 1345867290 40362 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is annoying < 1345868011 66635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC and "base" code uses a surprising number of type classes. < 1345868731 784014 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-29.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1345869571 410595 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345869621 382035 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1345869854 710474 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345869881 314366 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1345870167 333103 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1345870704 198487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the m-lift macro in the moand library someone wrote for Clojure (corresponding to a liftM*). afaict in Clojure it doesn't need to be a macro, due to variadic functions < 1345870875 415227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even have to be a monad it can be applicative: liftA, liftA2, liftA3, etc. With a functor it has be one, but applicative it can be zero or more. (This was actually also my idea for a function in WizardCard; map(f,x...) where there can be exactly one x for functor and zero or more x for applicative. I intended WizardCard to compile into Haskell. However I might change some things since I may need help too) < 1345871011 582780 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could have liftA0 = pure < 1345871106 311662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or unit :: m () and (*) :: m a -> m b -> m (a,b) < 1345871178 644797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I have thought of those things too. Your (*) I have made for applicative, liftPair :: (f x, f y) -> f (x, y) < 1345871260 196330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's defined thus in the original Applicative paper. < 1345871267 984067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strong lax monoidal functors. < 1345871269 653636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or somethign. < 1345871318 930890 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought of to define applicative in terms of a endofunctor together with pure and liftPair for a tensor category. < 1345871355 846079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore applicatives can exist on tensor categories. < 1345871373 538031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :End o' fun ctor. < 1345871374 980083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1345871532 140086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, depending on the category you may be able to make the applicative from any monad. < 1345871556 576100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you do that anyway? < 1345871593 978476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think you can with any category, but you can with Haskell, and some other categories. < 1345871679 440201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you can make a backward applicative from applicatives in any category, though, if you define the product of the tensor category backward. < 1345872062 158805 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone made applicative or functor stuff for Clojure at this point < 1345872076 562434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are meaningless without functors though < 1345872113 37210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since first you need a category, and you need endofunctors, and then add return and join to make a monad. < 1345872146 266897 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure has map, it's probably user-extendible, not sure if the various monad libraries do that < 1345873132 405477 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345873755 350415 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1345873954 56381 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345874338 425260 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345874694 814480 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-29.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: begone < 1345876005 914267 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1345876645 276849 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-226-162.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345876653 135380 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-95.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1345876992 306525 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1345877044 845253 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1345877594 246116 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-231.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345877605 152684 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-226-162.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1345880628 815621 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1345881271 955355 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to be funny: < 1345881279 59849 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of the funniest real-life thing that you've heard of < 1345881282 732064 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tone it down a notch < 1345881498 101585 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you try to use the funniest thing without toning it down, people will be unable to suspend disbelief) < 1345881601 176573 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1345881779 734709 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-147-17.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345881786 182398 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-231.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1345883269 78333 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1345884555 19 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to access http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/4e1f782be5ba2841 but I hate this Google Groups it won't work can this Usenet message be accessed without a web page? < 1345884629 395951 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. the new google groups doesn't work with links2 < 1345884751 514567 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should they put a proper Usenet link? < 1345885233 715935 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1345885607 967449 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/4e1f782be5ba2841?dmode=source&output=gplain&noredirect ? < 1345885696 229583 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what browser are you using? < 1345886195 535126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1345886216 488664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works although it looks like the email addresses in the header are cut off. < 1345886262 355995 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably to hide them from spambots; you need to answer a captcha on the HTML + JavaScript page to view them there. < 1345886449 498070 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-86.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345886699 497344 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O there's a new version of Factor < 1345886704 287284 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess it's not dead yet < 1345886946 637471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a pop-up saying "Please respond with 4:05. This iPad promotion can be awarded to another visitor if you don�t participate." < 1345886964 805248 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to wait a bit before closing it, I want to see what happens when it times out < 1345887018 856671 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, afaict, looks like it's going to go back to the original amount of time < 1345887139 935996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't they all. < 1345887194 925790 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Went from 0:00 to 5:00. < 1345887212 73285 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who would do something like this, just go on the Internet and tell lies? < 1345887236 704621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil people, Sgeo < 1345887272 218856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You. < 1345887277 309631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345887286 226921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you respond you will be kidnapped and become a slave in their sweatshops. _after_ "giving" them your personal savings. < 1345887726 622523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1345889083 399538 :cheater_!~cheater@p57AEA01F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345889256 979298 :cheater!~cheater@p4FD0E552.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1345890854 677921 :chickenzilla!~chicken@88-190-32-81.rev.dedibox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1345892238 729696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1345892912 646219 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-46.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345892928 545685 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-147-17.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1345893055 138871 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I appear to have started a flame war in #haskell < 1345893074 741777 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott I appear to have started a flame war in #haskell < 1345893074 897313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1345893244 825827 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.56.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345893551 954617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1345893644 123175 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noez. < 1345894675 442991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1345894773 877952 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, probably referring to I appear to have started a flame war in #haskell < 1345894780 936507 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-145-167.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345894946 188241 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-86.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1345896248 442012 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-228-215.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345896397 613616 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-145-167.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1345896695 945613 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cheats
< 1345896699 8444 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src ap < 1345896699 255390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap = liftM2 id < 1345896710 790107 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I think I've checked that before < 1345896722 289143 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src liftM2 < 1345896722 446409 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 f m1 m2 = do { x1 <- m1; x2 <- m2; return (f x1 x2) } < 1345896783 949774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@. pl undo do { x1 <- m1; x2 <- m2; return (f x1 x2) } < 1345896784 134170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`fmap` m2) . f =<< m1 < 1345896791 391727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That bot is the best. < 1345896798 748961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hope fungot didn't hear.) < 1345896800 751479 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ossian, character of the perfect historian is he in the ecclesiastical history of scotland. the parliament of the united states? is there a debt which had long slept a deep sleep, has been, a real alliance between the two indian members on the executive council, in charge of the criminals made such arrangements that the carriages reached tours at two in the morning, to st john's church, fnord fnord a cabinet so variousl < 1345896912 996619 :Guest31873!sheeyath00@106.213.72.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345896971 595729 :Guest31873!sheeyath00@106.213.72.119 PART :#esoteric < 1345897023 406761 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1345897034 607538 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1345897035 98768 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches* ss wp youtube < 1345897040 97818 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style discworld < 1345897040 592657 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books) < 1345897170 734703 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1345897171 743816 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: ' did they hurt you?" she said, for a start we're going straight to the jelly. < 1345897187 954179 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Straight to the jelly < 1345897578 209907 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1345898018 530835 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95BC2.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345898576 612929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a start. < 1345899101 347918 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345899842 468826 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1345900222 351001 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-228-215.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1345900839 327558 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-132-229.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345901027 869924 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. I now have code under my name at github. < 1345901691 218813 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1345902975 387994 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1345902976 441995 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: 27. file://localhost/ mnt/ space/ media/ books/ 1000+sci-fi%20books/%5bebooks%5d%201000+%20sciencefiction%20%26%20fantasy%20novels%20%28.lit%20forma/ pratchett%2c%20terry/ text/ 16/ fnord scale river trireme. every flat surface had been scrubbed. the fireplace had been fnord had been deserted to start with. < 1345902985 486278 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie < 1345903125 742996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1345903151 465762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it has hit some dumped links. < 1345903154 622190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How embarrassing < 1345903159 570921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1345903160 55519 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1345903166 896312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you have to say to that? < 1345903169 258325 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, because i believe in europe, that the european parliament to express its views to the council was to try to arrive at a common position to be able to reject the treaty may be used instead. ( parliament adopted the joint text. i shall not waste your time, but i wish to emphasize that we are fighting, we must now have this reform for 1999 before us in writing. < 1345903187 822591 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1999 desperately needs a reform. < 1345903419 551339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's reform like it's 1999. < 1345904608 370903 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-132-229.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1345905149 400632 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1345905415 807061 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1345905567 409899 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-136-137.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345909974 629735 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bored < 1345909991 975948 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1345910073 144309 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1345910231 510096 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i torrent things without getting busted < 1345910239 437430 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I2P < 1345910252 134598 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that might be terribly slow < 1345910291 337370 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1345910293 875168 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it compare to Tor < 1345910298 223425 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1345910311 189672 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good < 1345910320 749295 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides the fact that it's implemented in Java < 1345910323 722779 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually faster < 1345910330 263356 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1345910332 721875 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I find it easier to use < 1345910337 282243 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1345910337 496966 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it actually a problem that it's implemented in Java? < 1345910344 260259 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just joking < 1345910352 74776 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that wasn't actually funny < 1345910357 343312 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1345910367 208862 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably better than C < 1345910384 23876 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I shouldn't be saying that in here :s < 1345910391 879287 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how do i torrent things without getting busted < 1345910395 390892 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're getting busted? < 1345910404 618492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Yeah, people who say things like that here tend to have... accidents. < 1345910404 802259 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't currently torrent things < 1345910405 124713 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, anyone know any good open source video editing programs? I need a bit more than just cut, such as tracking an object and using that as the center point (in order to stabilise the video). < 1345910412 256133 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ISP lowers your bandwidth when you torrent < 1345910447 433065 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is great for network programming as long as you don't mind the fact that a tiny mistake will let attackers take over your entire machine < 1345910452 137978 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why does it need to be open source? or do you mean free? < 1345910457 149242 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: I don’t know of any good programs, but kdenlive seemed to suck less than the others when i tried a bunch of them the last time. It still sucked badly. < 1345910461 713352 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, well, I prefer open source, but free is okay < 1345910468 469623 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual response from C die-hards is that anyone who ever makes a mistake is an "idiot" and has a small penis < 1345910515 171023 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do my network programming in C++ < 1345910515 317428 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that managed languages are no safer because the compiler / VM might have a bug, anyway < 1345910519 434726 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a couple of hours of unedited footage from a flight show. < 1345910527 61928 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm so "lazy" that I use boost asio < 1345910532 34267 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely need to stabilise it by tracking the aircraft. < 1345910538 390219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've used Kino once, and it did that job, though I don't really have any points of reference to compare to, and don't know if it could do object-tracking like that. Possibly not, it seemed more oriented for just cutting and splicing things. < 1345910539 534944 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to which I say, the kernel might also have a bug, does this mean all user software might as well run at ring 0 < 1345910547 573699 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they usually don't have a good response to that... < 1345910555 141481 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1345910575 262722 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if someone asked me to do that, I would probably write some custom software using OpenCV < 1345910581 848632 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea if there's something more ready-made < 1345910587 241991 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t think kdenlive had any tracking capabilities either. But i haven’t touched it for a long time either. < 1345910587 507625 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how distinctive is the object? < 1345910597 89018 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, opencv? < 1345910598 305930 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's, like, the only red thing, it might be easy to track < 1345910602 467968 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1345910604 929576 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :opencv < 1345910606 572194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1345910610 950346 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google opencv < 1345910611 832646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://opencv.willowgarage.com/ < 1345910611 988757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Welcome - OpenCV Wiki < 1345910616 710090 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a thing which can be googled < 1345910621 173327 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1345910625 937821 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don < 1345910630 389970 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't* have time to do that < 1345910639 983966 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know there are costly editing programs which can do what I need < 1345910645 131139 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1345910647 972875 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is don’t* a pointer? < 1345910651 109777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure there's ready-made software for the express purpose of automatically deshaking videos. < 1345910659 920074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It's a pointer to a don't. < 1345910664 81692 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don_t* < 1345910669 393568 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointer to don < 1345910702 959594 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw do you know if it is possible to dump every frame from a video easily? I think that could be used for panorama making in combination with a good video camera < 1345910707 826086 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reserved by POSIX) < 1345910717 331911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a lot faster than using a DSLR too. < 1345910717 953060 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mplayer can do that < 1345910719 2871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ffmpeg into 'blah%04d.png' or some-such. < 1345910729 926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer can also do it, yes. < 1345910730 808273 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer -vo png < 1345910740 690128 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fair enough < 1345910759 147834 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw: Hugin and Enblend are awesome for panoramas. < 1345910874 552407 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually managed to get my phone to 47% charge after filming about 3 hours of max quality 1080p video. 11 GB of videos in total :D < 1345910878 111776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Incidentally, I once made a "stabilised" bit of video by doing exactly that, then computing image orientations with panotools (autopano-sift points between consecutive frames), getting a smoothed spline approximation out of the yaw/pitch/roll to get a "camera track", and then doing the obvious remappings with nona to make it smooth. < 1345910900 274876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and then importing it all back into a video? < 1345910902 830651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1345910908 945648 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds kind of annoying < 1345910909 482178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, it worked well enough for a proof-of-concept, though there were some issues. < 1345910913 779193 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1345910927 511403 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not something I want to do on 3 hours of footage then... < 1345910989 785473 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the sound clipped... < 1345910995 603466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Google claims Cinelerra (open-source video editor) has a bundled image stabilization plugin. < 1345911028 14888 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-linear video editor? Huh? What? < 1345911034 921452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what they call them. < 1345911063 190438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- system which can perform non-destructive editing on the source material. It is named in contrast to 20th century methods of linear video editing and film editing." < 1345911070 427265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've wondered about the name, too, sometimes. < 1345911118 614781 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1345911149 430018 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-linear_editing_system#Main_differences_between_linear_and_non-linear_editing < 1345911150 367411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and I have somewhere around 700-1 GB of raw images from my not-quite-DSLR < 1345911165 250046 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :700 MB* < 1345911203 123327 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an episode of _House_ filmed entirely with a DSLR < 1345911211 433613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cinelerra.org/docs/cinelerra_cv_manual_en.html#SEC206 is the bit of a manual about the motion tracker. < 1345911222 7556 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_Me_(House) < 1345911248 449352 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well I don't have a fast enough CF card to film. < 1345911264 497205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(14.4.33.6 is about the stabilization thing.) < 1345911453 794013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of the video-panorama, I did a quick try for that, with the reasonably sucky video recording of the phone. It had a lot of parallax problems (handheld, and short distances), but it was good enough to get some kind of an overview. Also I just picked every N'th frame; I think it'd have improved things a lot to use some heuristic to select only "sharp" frames; some of the ones with a lot ... < 1345911460 110171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... of motion were really quite blurry. < 1345911577 334431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/videopano.jpg < 1345911593 261982 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :videopano sounds like porn < 1345911600 575498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: Only to Finns. < 1345911606 181943 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :durh < 1345911636 930409 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well my phone produces reasonably good 1080p video < 1345911659 50111 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with the camera app mod that I have, which ups the bit rate < 1345911686 55459 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, I had big issues with auto focus, it is possible to set a focus but only after you started recording < 1345911702 400994 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is "focus on where I click, and keep that focused" < 1345911761 389620 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The image might have been nicer if you had added some “vertical line” control points.. < 1345911781 538751 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Lumpio-: Only to Finns. <-- oh? < 1345911820 347829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: The sort-of-a-point was to have it work completely automatically. < 1345911876 940119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "fi:pano" is a vulgarism for "A lay, a fuck, a session of sexual intercourse", to quote wiktionary. < 1345911896 972380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's also a deposit to a bank account.) < 1345911911 810350 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1345912129 632844 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1345912199 307998 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, remind me what the Finnish words for 'oxygen' and 'vulva' are. < 1345912291 353509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oxygen -> 'happi', vulva -> 'häpy'. They do pronounce quite differently, though. < 1345912299 692978 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.sendapatch.se/2010/february/this-might-seem-silly-git-pull.html < 1345912456 725276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Fortunately, fi:pulla (we'd mangle "pull" -> "pullata" to make a verb) just means bun, which is relatively innocuous. < 1345912708 417528 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-136-137.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1345912784 741690 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345912865 698057 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, hm I was not aware that "pulla" meant that in Swedish. < 1345912889 438321 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it meant? < 1345912946 297870 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-79-136.asm.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should probably avoid uttering words with the suffix "-ulla" in Swedish as a general rule. < 1345912955 984994 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Polish, oxygen is tlen < 1345912959 535681 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nitrogen is azot < 1345912978 705466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The N900 default camera app records at 848x480@24fps and still manages to lag every now and then, at least when writing to built-in flash. Could be somewhat of a software thing. I've read someone getting stable 720p@25 video with the custom camera drivers, so I suppose it's mostly about encoding that in time (which the hardware acceleration should be able to handle, given proper ... < 1345912984 844955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... software) and storing it somewhere. < 1345913034 706955 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In german it's stickstoff < 1345913046 855001 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nitrogen I mean < 1345913075 858999 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Die deutsche Bezeichnung Stickstoff erinnert daran, dass molekularer Stickstoff Flammen löscht („erstickt“) oder dass in reinem Stickstoff Lebewesen ersticken." < 1345913103 153957 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I was writing to a class 10 64 GB MicroSD < 1345913107 633818 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be pretty fast < 1345913167 13558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, writing to a fast µSD might well work better than the built-in flash even with the default resolutions and camera drivers. < 1345913647 684401 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-128-77.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345913709 28722 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1345913842 340009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, I'm really deficient when it comes to video recording. The phone does bad-quality 848x480@24 MPEG4 that lags; the various webcams have horrible picture quality; and the camera writes good-looking and smooth but low-resolution 640x480@30 weird Quicktime MJPEG files and has some sort of a maximum recording time instead of streaming to card. < 1345913991 451953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even though the video bitrate is just 1.3MB/s and this card claims a 7.7MB/s write speed.) < 1345914204 543145 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :german element names are funny < 1345914213 710300 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasserstoff < 1345914273 821142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All kinds of stoff. < 1345914325 844744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember from some book or another that their rocket fuels had names of the "X-Stoff" kind. < 1345914349 414051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Wikipedia has a "List of stoffs". < 1345914362 236550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A, B, Br, C, K, M, N, R, S, SV, T and Z-Stoff. < 1345914382 564837 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that book Gravity's Rainbow? < 1345914390 887386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think it was My Tank Is Fight. < 1345914394 141559 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1345914421 264601 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, writing to a fast µSD might well work better than the built-in flash even with the default resolutions and camera drivers. <-- sure, but the built in one in the S3 should be pretty fast too < 1345914489 452944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know if it's a hardware or a driver-tuneup-firmware kind of an issue, but doing a lot of IO on the N900 internal flash manages to grind other things to horrible slowness. < 1345914491 357958 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is fight? < 1345914493 564353 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1345914515 875540 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ouch < 1345914524 17052 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i feel bad using the x <= y < z sugar in python < 1345914534 808540 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what does that do? < 1345914542 588766 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's equivalent to (x <= y) and (y < z) < 1345914547 644571 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1345914559 338056 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting ternary operator < 1345914584 924488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a humorous name. It documents (in a funny way) some strange tank/plane/boat inventions from WW2. < 1345914596 675811 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised it works when parsing python though. Python is supposedly LL(1) < 1345914617 943331 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, cool < 1345914630 942551 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it works for any relational operator < 1345914637 653033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Possibly it just parses as "(x <= y) < z" and has a special meaning. < 1345914637 830211 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading to nonsense like #4 on http://web.archive.org/web/20101009122154/http://web.mit.edu/rwbarton/www/python.html < 1345914652 431573 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw, "doing a lot of IO"... Does that include doing a lot of read IO? < 1345914656 492136 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just write IO? < 1345914671 951357 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the latter case, the system probably has a buffer that you fill then < 1345914690 636592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, I haven't investigated too much. At least the effect is a lot more noticeable when it comes to writes. < 1345914731 241088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I wouldn't mind slowing down the writing task so much, but it lags the UI and everything else too. < 1345914795 333442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody else has tried to beat me at Word Warp last month, nor this month. < 1345914868 136360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have been demotivated by your Word Warp prowess. < 1345914907 351944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the last time someone else did play (a few months ago), they did win by a few points. < 1345914915 178321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it another of those BBS games? < 1345914919 20869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1345915213 432941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most recent messages posted to the local message boards seem to be last year, although a few people have posted on the wall recently, nobody has answered any questions I posted there. < 1345915376 131214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have access to alt.2600 and I posted a few message there but there seems to be none replies recently. < 1345915395 823787 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-144.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345915412 268376 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-46.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1345915452 523329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your ISP still receives messages from that newsgroup, then perhaps the BBS configuration is broken. < 1345915652 585482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also tried to send some messages to myself but hasn't seem to been received; perhaps automatic QWK runs only overnight, and then it will be sent properly? < 1345917129 434660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latest alt.2600 posts on my ISP have the title "aardvark payment?" and the latter has date "Sat, 25 Aug 2012 06:27:25 -0700 (PDT)". < 1345917158 761567 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-229.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1345917751 780797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything I sent, on there? Or is that broken too? < 1345918675 149747 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1345918729 184436 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1345919787 860077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1345920098 261618 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1345920309 541095 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345920339 247005 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345921365 189577 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew, just finished adding metadata to all images (which plane type and geotagging) < 1345923019 496424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a standard metadata for airplane types? < 1345923023 868149 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-156-56.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345923166 672155 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-144.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1345923172 927557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know what it is that you sent. At least there seems to be nothing where the 'From:' fields contain the string 'zzo38', if my newsreader is to be believed. < 1345923239 252713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any of them contain "xbit" or "x-bit"? Do any contain the FidoNet number for x-bit? < 1345923278 833659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The FidoNet number for x-bit is 1:340/10 and my user number is 39) < 1345923311 493726 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, First photo uploaded: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kddhwd2j42bucz3/QgKbpICEy_ (I flew in one of those helicopters, cost 350 SEK for a tour lasting about 7 minutes) < 1345923341 262617 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I will add more to that album as I work through the photos. < 1345923363 569635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is there a standard metadata for airplane types? <-- not that I know of < 1345923371 405257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure how to search for that. I *think* slrn's "author search" looks at the From: header; at least if I search for 'afraid' I get people with email addresses with 'afraid.org' in them. That search does not find anything containing 'xbit', 'x-bit' or '340'. < 1345923377 160737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was assuming some sort of an EXIF airplane tag. < 1345923412 631089 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19381098 < 1345923421 722774 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I believe there might be a IPTC one. It seems that my program ended up saving it in there < 1345923424 908420 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPTC Title < 1345923440 753555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Title: Robinson R-44 Clipper II" < 1345923442 658267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it seems. < 1345923443 598075 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1345923450 462579 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :did dropbox show it? < 1345923460 801551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I picked "download" and ran exiftool on it. < 1345923463 123322 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I just googled the registration to find the model for that one < 1345923465 314342 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1345923550 711685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has your name in the "Copyright", "Rights", "Creator" and "Copyright Notice" fields. < 1345923579 257804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried to send some messages to the system operator but it seem they have not received them. < 1345923639 853407 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, cool < 1345923653 601713 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I just put it in in "author" in the program < 1345923668 886902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it tries to put it in everything that's commonly used. < 1345923685 125939 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1345923686 125306 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: :( < 1345923712 830515 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does the file say which program was used? < 1345923749 178024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It reports "DiMAGE A2 Ver.1.13" as the "Creator Tool", and "Adobe XMP Core 5.3-c011 66.145661, 2012/02/06-14:56:27" as the "XMP Toolkit". (Some of these names might be exiftool-specific for all I know.) < 1345923757 31441 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :DiMage A2 is the camera < 1345923769 852878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the second, hm interesting < 1345923790 780007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And "Microsoft Corporation" as the "Primary Platform", whatever that means. < 1345923801 986414 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I was booted into windows when I did it < 1345923809 520626 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shot the photo as RAW (12 bits per channel) and in the AdobeRGB as the colour space < 1345923854 432293 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I presume it has a colour profile embedded too? < 1345923900 504454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm, the jpeg has a "IEC 61966-2.1 Default RGB colour space - sRGB" Device Model Desc, and a "sRGB" Device Model, and then quite a few numbers. < 1345923911 168043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/IROZ <- exiftool output. < 1345923956 188049 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stripped all the EXIF data though it seems < 1345923968 320684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, not much about the camera in there. < 1345923975 709355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least reported by this thing. < 1345924041 25125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :exiv2 (the other command-line EXIF tool I have) just says http://sprunge.us/FZSC which is pretty sparse. < 1345924044 900375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Profile Copyright : Copyright (c) 1998 Hewlett-Packard Company" < 1345924046 745712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1345924069 592081 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, aww, it can't read IPTC (or you need to use an option for that) < 1345924097 153200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it needs an option, the man page does mention IPTC. < 1345924098 843482 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Technology : Cathode Ray Tube Display" <-- really? < 1345924115 111064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it defaults to a "summary" mode. < 1345924180 642809 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as for the program I used, it was Adobe Photoshop Lightroom CS6 + Adobe Photoshop CS6. Because Gimp fails at more than 8 bits per channel. < 1345924203 500722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/hPDj <- 'exiv2 -p a' which should print all of Exif, IPTC and XMP. < 1345924213 600309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lot shorter than the exiftool output, still. < 1345924228 584178 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing about profiles there for examp < 1345924230 786633 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :example* < 1345924280 929022 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the exif data would not make sense since I cropped the picture. < 1345924308 979100 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345924366 689493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need more than 8 bits per channel you could use ImageMagick Q16. < 1345924373 508661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that Gimp was finally (at least close to) getting the high-depth cases right. < 1345924388 363828 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1345924392 65036 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is news to me < 1345924395 673453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the current 2.9 devel branch does it. < 1345924399 242598 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1345924410 786297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After 3.5 years of blood, sweat and tears the GIMP team announced the release of GIMP 2.8. But good things come in pairs. < 1345924413 814495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new stable version features improvements in almost all aspects: UI, tools, painting features, resources. A detailed review is in works, for now please have a look at the official release notes. < 1345924417 788586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, the even better news is that since few days internal pipeline of the development version can work in 16bit and 32bit per color channel mode, both integer and float. This finally makes high bit depth precision available and opens up high dynamic range imaging for GIMP." < 1345924423 416972 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm debating if I want to remove the lens distortion or not on this image. The barrel effect is quite fitting in this case... < 1345924426 360146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe will take them a while to actually get it out. < 1345924439 364751 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I created a profile for my camera and lens in the fancy adobe tool) < 1345924466 23875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard Lightroom is pretty fancy. < 1345924476 766196 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good for organizing and tagging stuff < 1345924491 71408 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the geotagging by built in google maps thingy < 1345924630 164389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tagged a few datasets by having the N900 record a .gpx track, and then using 'gpscorrelate' on a pile of files from the camera. (It reads a .gpx file, EXIF timestamps from images, and then fills the EXIF geotags by correlating between the .gpx track timestamps and the photos.) < 1345924677 562820 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiny < 1345924682 753058 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, uploading another one < 1345924703 524151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except I never remember to sync the camera clock with the GPS time beforehand, so I have to fiddle in an offset.) < 1345924712 68722 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and that would work yeah, I wonder if I can make one of those files on android. Probably < 1345924735 10860 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :would drain battery though < 1345924758 145070 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :still uploading... < 1345924773 142688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably; GPX is kind of the de-facto standard interchange format. (And anyway gpsbabel translates between everything that can store a track.) < 1345924790 989860 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :uploaded < 1345924793 529013 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neil Armstrong's dead :( < 1345924807 821513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a separate Garmin Geko 201-or-something GPS receiver, I've gotten some tracks from that too. Has the benefit of not draining the phone battery. < 1345924810 581129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kddhwd2j42bucz3/QgKbpICEy_ < 1345924839 532964 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: died on the moon along with the rest of the Apollo 13 crew? < 1345924850 45832 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I feel that the slight-fisheye effect and the vignetting added to the second image < 1345924861 126743 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just too sterile otherwise < 1345924879 876689 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some reflections from the window on the right < 1345924903 169111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was just in the process of typing: Very slight window reflections, I see you weren't hanging out of the door of the chopper. :p < 1345924923 784861 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't think I would have been allowed that < 1345924926 582277 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1345924929 816911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1345924998 629557 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this is a nice image of a gyrocopter... < 1345925009 328893 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neil Armstrong died? < 1345925012 420936 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(( < 1345925017 685905 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1345925084 719943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Fortunately, Lance Armstrong is still going strong. (Well, except for... you know.) < 1345925148 526751 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ufraw can't remove TCA can it? I guess hugin can but meh < 1345925175 956712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold second one as you hold a pencil. < 1345925208 839625 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should bury him on the moon. < 1345925209 539090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'd guesstimate that it can't. < 1345925223 157636 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1345925272 712026 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm do i want this ThinkPad X1 Carbon < 1345925280 788240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dcraw seems to have a thing that just enlarges the red/blue layers that you can use for ad-hoc chromatic aberration correction, but that sounds slightly fiddly. < 1345925394 592687 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1345925427 624351 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 1972, Armstrong was welcomed into the town of Langholm, Scotland, the traditional seat of Clan Armstrong; he was made the first freeman of the burgh, and happily declared the town his home.[108] The Justice of the Peace read from an unrepealed 400-year-old law that required him to hang any Armstrong found in the town.[109]" < 1345925434 701481 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dodged a bullet there. < 1345925438 490353 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a noose, I guess. < 1345925440 3255 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, new photo up, this one should have a lot more metadata < 1345925539 362874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Neil Armstrong's dead :( <-- darn i was just earlier today wondering if he was still alive when talking with a friend < 1345925547 863705 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well? Analysed that yet? < 1345925554 740259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1345925568 399598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were doing a quiz where he was the answer :( < 1345925588 791254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://hugin.sourceforge.net/docs/manual/Tca_correct.html has an example of how to run the standalone hugin "tca_correct" and then pick the parameters into dcraw. Though I'm not sure how sensible that'd be since the 'fulla' tool has more degrees of freedom. < 1345925621 886061 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, was the question "is Neil Armstrong still alive"? < 1345925641 732106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://sprunge.us/WELZ - yeah, that's quite a lot more stuffs. < 1345925644 578859 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :History Software Agent : Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4.1 (Windows), Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw 7.1 (Windows), Adobe Photoshop CS6 (Windows), Adobe Photoshop CS6 (Windows), Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw 7.1, Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw 7.1 (Windows) <-- huh? It added camera raw several times < 1345925649 766705 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurr, "temporal cold war" :( < 1345925698 588041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Some sort of multi-stage process and it tags one every time it does a thing? :p < 1345925699 525316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. it was about who made a book in 2005 or thereabouts, and he was an obvious candidate if alive < 1345925716 539927 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah except there weren't quite that many stages :P < 1345925718 575827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"History Action: saved, derived, saved, saved, converted, derived, saved, saved, saved" < 1345925724 732418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a well-saved file. < 1345925751 257517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it went lightroom -> camera raw -> photoshop -> (in photoshop): save for web < 1345925767 887884 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah I cropped it a bit in photoshop too < 1345925796 279036 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm looks like it excluded the vendor specific block? < 1345925805 687269 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my camera tends to have a LOT of stuff in that < 1345925806 974972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, from the timestamps, the two last stages happened during the same second, as did the two before that. < 1345925814 995200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly didn't know how to decode it. < 1345925817 124916 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had timestamps too! < 1345925819 593920 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee < 1345925837 531681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it usually says if it doesn't know how to read some MakerNotes things. < 1345925841 264960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get that for N900 pics. < 1345925850 303403 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I know either exiftool or exiv2 can decode it... Maybe photoshop can't? < 1345925875 56152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps that's where it fell off. Though it *could* just copy it forward. < 1345925883 91994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right the book was "First man" (the quiz theme was "first and last") < 1345925901 974190 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ufraw copies it forward. But it doesn't handle the endianness properly < 1345925921 801523 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you save as tiff it should byteswap it compared to the mrw raw file, but it doesn't < 1345925961 162156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Warning: [minor] Unrecognized MakerNotes" is what exiftool says on a N900 pic. Don't know if there's anything especially interesting in there, probably not. < 1345926039 37577 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-79-136.asm.bellsouth.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345926092 223255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there's something missing in the N900 EXIF metadata, because Hugin asks for a manual FOV entry, while for the camera picks it deduces it from the metadata. < 1345926117 920603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, FOV or the focal length multiplier, but anyway.) < 1345926185 95238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both images have the "Focal Length" tag as reported by exiftool, but the N900 one is missing the "Focal Length In 35mm Format", maybe that's it. < 1345926193 630080 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1345926208 81663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the "Scale Factor To 35 mm Equivalent" for that matter. < 1345926216 967229 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, it does that for my phone camera too < 1345926257 760828 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, example exiftool -v output http://sprunge.us/Xigb showing which info is from the maker notes < 1345926278 750343 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quite a bit, though some is duplicated) < 1345926373 108596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :exiftool -v for my camera: http://sprunge.us/GcHO < 1345926384 217917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has all the most useful fields, like BabyAge. < 1345926409 506247 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1345926411 485954 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that < 1345926422 629619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some sort of a baby photography mode. < 1345926426 762224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only seen it in the manual. < 1345926429 605765 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh... < 1345926434 563820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really recall what it was all about. < 1345926438 695135 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it guesses their age? < 1345926443 522012 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :creepy < 1345926446 2608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you enter the date of birth. < 1345926449 897182 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1345926454 665869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it records the age in the image, or something. < 1345926464 393522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really remember what the point was, if there even was one. < 1345926481 779853 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if 9999:99:99 means "no data", then they selected a stupid date... The camera is not future proof < 1345926494 260364 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have been better to go for a date far in the past < 1345926507 88565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it'll fail when it comes to the 99th day of the 99th month. < 1345926509 455864 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even out of band metadata < 1345926526 514945 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie oh come on, the earth's rotation slows down over time < 1345926539 595316 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually, that would go the other way < 1345926540 542913 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1345926543 678576 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1345926546 277177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the PDF manual, let's see what the babies were all about. < 1345926552 913244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's BABY 1, BABY 2 and PET modes. < 1345926558 687290 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing is basically the ThinkPad Air < 1345926561 257201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing they all use the BabyAge. < 1345926565 240661 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what is? < 1345926574 843894 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what do they do? < 1345926578 766589 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :those modes I mean < 1345926614 390222 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThinkPad X1 Carbon < 1345926640 135258 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1345926648 113220 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, you have one? < 1345926669 187808 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1345926718 292639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Apparently the main thing they do is that after you've set the dates of birth for your BABY 1, BABY 2 and PET, then images taken with that mode active will show the age of the thing in question when browsing with the camera (and maybe with Panasonic's software?). But the BABY 1/BABY 2 modes do also "take pictures of a baby with a healthy complexion", plus it dials down the flash power. < 1345926746 255345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The age can also be printed on each picture by using the software [LUMIX Simple Viewer] or [PHOTOfunSTUDIO-viewer-] in the CD-ROM (supplied)." < 1345926749 742795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1345926755 692002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also PHOTOfunSTUDIO is possibly the stupidest name. < 1345926779 785681 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1345926791 406007 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1345926874 814460 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, at least my phone camera has a slightly useful gimmick... Face recognition. It shows a yellow box around the detected face in the gallery, then it lets you set who that is. And based on previous selections it even (moderately successfully) suggests names when tagging. < 1345926898 792968 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and it asks if you want to use that image as the profile picture for that contact every time you tag. < 1345926900 170908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a "TravelDay" field set to 65535, I see. That's probably some other silly mode that shows you which day of your vacation it is. < 1345926912 476659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't have face detection here, but I've heard they've been putting that in. < 1345926989 892468 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, at least my proper camera only have the usual portrait/sport/landscape/night gimmick modes < 1345927002 241148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one has quite a few. < 1345927038 245939 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I just use mostly auto, auto shutter, auto time and full manual modes. There is also a second auto mode, that is even more auto than plain auto < 1345927042 391680 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :never use that < 1345927057 479107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Scene mode" (i.e. gimmick mode) has: portrait, soft skin, scenery, sports, panning, night portrait, night scenery, food, party, candle light, baby 1, baby 2, pet, sunset, high sens., starry sky, fireworks, beach, snow, aerial photo. < 1345927097 196542 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they do? (Apart from the utterly silly baby and pet ones) < 1345927102 625272 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :just different tinting and such? < 1345927110 734231 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have hipster 1970's camera mode < 1345927120 49028 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what does that look like? < 1345927123 894363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not much. I'll check, but the manual probably doesn't go into too much detail. < 1345927129 131580 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like instagram < 1345927150 641023 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, the pain < 1345927169 855925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The "smooth skin" mode for example actually does some skin blurring. Since it warns: "If a part of the background etc. is a color close to skin color, this part is also smoothed." < 1345927187 314009 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1345927224 683817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that, they mostly seem to tweak the automatics when it comes to shutter, aperture, WB and such. < 1345927225 892860 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it also blur black people < 1345927233 222990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I assume so, it doesn't actually say. < 1345927248 520790 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a mode to automatically pixellate genitalia < 1345927265 73516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and "high sens." mode goes up to ISO 3200 by decreasing the resolution. < 1345927269 789837 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1345927296 377250 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1345927305 814715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, the "more auto than auto" mode this camera also has is pretty much useless, since it's an "intelligent ISO" mode, and the "intelligent" seems to be a synonym for "high", and the sensor's really very noisy for anything >100, esp. >=400. < 1345927319 163058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in auto mode one can lock that, or give a maximum value. < 1345927402 323282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fireworks mode, sadly, won't actually do any kind of "look at fireworksy thing in the live preview", you'll still have to self know when to press the shutter key. < 1345927408 257270 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1345927432 558257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I've heard, modern cameras can go even sillier when it comes to special effects. < 1345927455 793423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine doesn't even do the sepia tone thing, which I think is almost standard now for the "pocket" cameras. < 1345927472 816638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also have the "one part of the image in color, everything else in black-and-white" trick built-in. < 1345927532 722246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beach mode's warnings: "* Do not touch the camera with wet hands. * Sand or seawater will cause the camera to malfunction. Make sure that sand or seawater does not get into the lens or the terminals. * Problems caused by sand or seawater are not covered by the product warranty." :p < 1345927540 557293 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345927567 928094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for aerial photo mode: "When using the camera, follow all instructions from the cabin crew." < 1345927578 428289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they couldn't resist adding some common sense in the manual too. < 1345927594 757964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it doesn't say "don't drop the camera out of the plane". < 1345927624 487998 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, another one done soon < 1345927731 432500 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1345927731 693168 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, another one up < 1345927747 277252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just look at this one, instead of digging into the metadata. :p < 1345927763 411056 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah it is pretty stripped < 1345927769 151269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's a bit of a shame that Dropbox's album thing doesn't show the title anywhere. < 1345927776 550723 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a AJ 37 Viggen < 1345927788 167792 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I believe you had those in Finland too? < 1345927788 341795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But of course." :p < 1345927809 954004 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it J 35 Lansen you had? < 1345927817 712172 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the two I think < 1345927832 246853 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm, J 35 Draken? < 1345927857 18741 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had Draken. < 1345927861 514600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :35 Draken's infobox lists "Finnish Air Force" as one of the "Primary users". < 1345927863 65147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1345927896 202694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know about this stuff; though my wife's brothers are very enthusiastic about trains and planes and such. < 1345927911 791319 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1345927927 379618 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1345927934 621615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just know they've bought the US Hornets, and that only because the papers were full about the debates on whether that's worth the money. < 1345927987 662415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was a reasonably recent thing.) < 1345928025 387023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there was a recent headling about the Americans messing up some paperwork on a missile order for the F-18's. < 1345928091 901008 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you might want to watch the videos when I get around to them. I wonder where I would upload those. Youtube comes to mind but hrrm. < 1345928130 32786 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that is a lot of editing ahead to get something usable out of that < 1345928437 527032 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw, was it worth the money? < 1345928458 642342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue, just that people had different opinions on that. < 1345928470 932043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They weren't exactly cheap, I remember that much. < 1345928531 916129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.16 billion euros, apparently. < 1345928537 507172 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :each? < 1345928550 908492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole order, I think. < 1345928573 988210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.16 billion times 64 sounds a bit too much. :p < 1345928619 797520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also 1.625 billion euros for the current update/upgrade order they have going. < 1345928637 419332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think this involves the missiles with the missing paperwork.) < 1345928657 722664 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, EUR < 1345928719 474125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the per-plane price was something like 25 million EUR. < 1345928882 250605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they have a lot of "closing down locations and laying off 2200 people" savings plans happening, so people are commenting on the rationality of doing that while at the same time putting 1.6 billion to the Hornet upgrade. < 1345928953 774173 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, another one uploaded (J 32 Lansen, the model before J 35 Draken, that you guys had): https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kddhwd2j42bucz3/QgKbpICEy_#f:lansen1.jpg < 1345930357 518732 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1345930676 918027 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-156-56.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1345930690 722327 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-226.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345931178 614012 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345931834 326150 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345931839 539814 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1345931844 893584 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, at least it's not as bad as the UK military deciding to pay for an aircraft carrier by not building any more planes. < 1345932065 956750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1345932077 657018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever. < 1345932097 644001 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-128-77.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1345932393 62029 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345933019 468362 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345933456 65120 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1345934174 167506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if just intonation results in a better (or worse) audio compression than equal temperament? < 1345934379 723581 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345934397 230896 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345935150 21909 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Smoking cessation (colloquially quitting smoking) is the process of discontinuing the practice of inhaling a smoked substance." -- WP < 1345935164 861514 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone not call it 'quitting smoking'. < 1345935207 354962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345935246 176279 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-197.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1345935726 408279 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1345936488 875934 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :medical literature < 1345936503 432333 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and phrases like "smoking cessation aid" rather than "quitting smoking aid" < 1345936696 838477 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally there are cigarette reviews on YouTube. < 1345936708 307606 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why that surprised me, but it did. < 1345937075 692508 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie, at least it's not as bad as the UK military deciding to pay for an aircraft carrier by not building any more planes. <-- they did that? < 1345937083 184401 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or less. < 1345937086 808154 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1345937119 711547 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Does anyone not call it 'quitting smoking'. <-- whoever wrote that text you quoted? < 1345937147 834186 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Wikipedia, Wikipedia isn't a person. < 1345937173 487726 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, but somewhere a person wrote that line of text < 1345937195 331965 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, night < 1345937197 203957 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not certain that they did. < 1345937234 976411 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re aircraft carriers, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11570593 < 1345937240 953065 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Axing the Harrier and Ark Royal means no planes will be able to fly from British aircraft carriers until 2019. < 1345937241 99121 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1345937267 395191 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant < 1345937315 723804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I would imagine that it doesn't make a difference if you're talking about the recording of any actual instrument. < 1345937344 737194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're comparing across instruments, in which case it's a bit of a silly comparison anyway. < 1345937442 613397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i just tried to look up "polarn" and "pyret" in wiktionary, i only found the former means "the buddy" in swedish, but what does the latter mean? < 1345937469 190670 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1345937475 168486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn he just said good night < 1345937492 276503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner doesn't look awake either :( < 1345937528 272912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats FireFly -----###
< 1345937532 749150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE NEXT < 1345937711 667501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'So what does “Polarn O. Pyret” actually mean? Well it means “Buddy and the little one” in Swedish [...]' < 1345937717 818419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1345938493 292009 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.56.55 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1345938578 364647 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's not completely nonsensical < 1345938586 407502 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's easier to buy or build planes quickly in an emergency < 1345938642 368145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders this, watching the pigs fly by
< 1345938748 744557 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching for pigs on the wing? < 1345938778 365528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But what if it is music programmed by computer? < 1345938853 689460 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345939077 542529 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-226.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1345939080 691996 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-117.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric