< 1345507290 372033 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can be awake at 15:00 EDT just fine :) < 1345507296 750212 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i have been waking up well before noon localtime as well < 1345507298 429624 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame jet lag < 1345507315 791387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually like waking up early. < 1345507322 424787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, rather, I like waking up early and not being tired. < 1345507328 812336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just really dislike going to sleep. < 1345507404 275827 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1345507410 203506 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep always seems more boring than the alternative < 1345507418 107205 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not always < 1345507424 430152 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usually < 1345507597 842885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Wanna Flip The Sky < 1345507935 510851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this specification OK? http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/User:Zzo38/ines.map_and_unif.map I think one thing I forgot is the precedence of the "romsize", "rom", and "crc" operators. What would you suggest? < 1345509441 11435 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still has not thought of a great algorithm for the word rectangle puzzle
< 1345509624 433234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a word rectangle puzzle? < 1345509708 384480 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Finland < 1345509711 882880 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. < 1345509753 156518 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: find a rectangle of letters such that every row and every column is an English word < 1345509763 420767 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :find such a rectangle as big as you can < 1345510619 832406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345511405 832925 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B546.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345512521 455476 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345514078 388220 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345514604 524527 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1345516426 814758 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1345517657 724350 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345519363 656921 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1345520295 538863 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345522481 84353 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-68.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345524102 462548 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is;to < 1345524300 643980 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the;hog;egg < 1345524384 658379 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1345524443 10550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1345524646 172271 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-68.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1345525587 319546 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1345525619 593036 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1345525770 998797 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1345526180 557029 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peer < 1345542254 810545 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1345544342 361689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1345545554 328298 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1345545562 533033 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1345545568 984899 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit < 1345545781 141206 :nooga!~nooga@ip-78-30-93-30.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1345545957 192555 :nooga!~nooga@ip-93-154-163-6.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345547122 836725 :PatrickRobotham!~chatzilla@ppp118-209-204-193.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345548638 911059 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-68.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345550591 752040 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A58C.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345551251 887612 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-68.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1345551550 477450 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345551847 258911 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345552630 47708 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-151-117.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345552655 91682 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-140-26.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1345553145 141913 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345553234 925205 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like the new Muse song. < 1345553241 245955 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's insufficiently OTT < 1345553479 701661 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With this nick, the first two characters don't uniquely identify me on #haskell... < 1345553482 105191 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1345553724 847782 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTT? < 1345553731 656587 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over the top < 1345553746 596684 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a britishism? < 1345553817 800013 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excessive, ridiculous < 1345553830 721032 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345553845 577728 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've ended up with a couple of words that I think are Urdu in my vocabulary, but I've no idea what they literally mean or how to spell them < 1345553866 428884 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1345554360 876566 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :urdu? < 1345554385 162928 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language spoken in Pakistan, I believ < 1345554385 824711 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1345554540 528433 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"over the top" is used in america too < 1345554543 510277 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i haven't heard the acronym < 1345555111 622083 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1345555148 767803 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1345555319 777338 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got asked about it last time I used it in this channel < 1345555328 182495 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A58C.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345555415 609495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Where do you sleep etc. when you go do travel-ish things? < 1345555577 344046 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends < 1345555617 786580 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was biking to vermont i camped in campgrounds < 1345555636 836902 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was in europe most recently i stayed with friends and in hostels < 1345555644 229994 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on the situation < 1345555658 71817 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't done the "camping in the middle of nowhere with nobody's permission" thing but that's an option too < 1345555678 228577 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande slept on a park bench when he was hitchhiking to st john's canada < 1345555903 243374 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A58C.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345556431 565077 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1345557202 673573 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-59.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345557799 586234 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I'm starting to warm to this song < 1345558059 335899 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1345558271 292979 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts < 1345558287 563983 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree that Muse should be over the top < 1345558346 575002 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345558400 449977 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The album’s second single, “Knights of Cydonia,” sounds like the theme song to a wild-west Highlander sequel set in Freddie Mercury’s butt.' < 1345558445 974332 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes it does < 1345558470 236120 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a theory about Black Holes and Revelations < 1345558478 92604 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that they were hoping some crazy person would listen to it on loop for 40 hours < 1345558482 260571 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then shoot the president < 1345558496 342898 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd do it, but I don't have a gun < 1345558500 455619 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that sort od album < 1345558503 404735 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of* < 1345558511 840242 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because you live in the UK < 1345558512 28082 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1345558527 176691 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, my dad and at least one of my friends own guns < 1345558541 447103 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A58C.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345558555 56925 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here in the USA you get a free gun with your mcdonald's happy meal < 1345558561 945706 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except in san francisco, where they have banned happy meals) < 1345558802 891626 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1345559481 728128 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reöpen yes/no? The only word I can think of with a diaeresis “eo” is pigeon. < 1345559569 19606 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, and “righteous”, although there the whole “eou” is a single vowel sound. < 1345559651 924887 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truncheon… < 1345559745 960971 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Georgia! < 1345559753 377536 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, for that matter, George! < 1345559777 558675 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is that some olde convention by which “ge” is pronounced as 'j'? < 1345559859 687181 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Re�pen yes/no? The only word I can think of with a diaeresis �eo� is pigeon. < 1345559873 444989 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, I meant withOUT a diaeresis >_> < 1345559873 965654 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pigeon.... does not have diaeresis eo. < 1345559901 242331 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever had a pet pigeon, I would name it Pigeön. < 1345559926 497310 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh damn it, maybe pigeon is just following the same olde convention as George >_> < 1345559937 8132 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pigeorgeon? < 1345560010 459119 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "people" < 1345560018 287849 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect! < 1345560054 758454 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: reöpen yes. < 1345560087 754224 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a pet pigeon < 1345560153 498219 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrrrrrrrrrng! I missed a real opportunity with my cat! < 1345560157 286894 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :She should be Tiämat. < 1345560283 759552 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1345560681 138193 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1345561345 796912 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345562099 984132 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i didn't think OTT was a briticism, just a sort of jargonfile-esque-abbreviate-everything-ism < 1345562114 733984 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-59.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1345562351 608308 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's a briticism either < 1345563020 287537 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1345563124 804245 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats OTT < 1345563142 643905 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i feel like the couchsurfing.org option for where to sleep should also be mentioned for completeness < 1345563206 786925 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have used that once or twice but it is usually poorly suited to my needs < 1345563207 405577 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1345563358 339712 :nooga!~nooga@ip-93-154-163-6.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345563454 469700 :nooga!~nooga@dwe98.internetdsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345564104 171554 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1345564614 653775 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: any particular reason for asking? < 1345564710 649739 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1345565228 604568 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345565360 415064 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1345565637 387620 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-237-46.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345565683 608057 :nooga!~nooga@dwe98.internetdsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1345565799 272850 :nooga!~nooga@ip-93-154-164-145.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345566952 960317 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345567144 82273 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345567171 982594 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1345567250 541973 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345567960 944528 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1345567966 172532 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1345568302 665551 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.37.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345568374 177426 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345569750 493447 :sirdancealot8!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1345569769 68539 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bulls on Parade is a really boring song on Guitar Hero... < 1345570284 50832 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But on the plus side, I get it at 100% on medium < 1345570696 930110 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345570763 671886 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1345570786 416061 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1345570787 447431 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1345570789 547373 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1345570941 341882 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345571076 938441 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1345571208 837231 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1345571357 615443 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone used boost::spirit here before? < 1345571360 330135 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm liking it < 1345571431 735332 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have used it < 1345571456 297744 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fairly terrifying < 1345571463 349960 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy your 10 page long compiler error messages < 1345571494 165326 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also enjoy your boost brand "I Can't Believe It's Not Functional Programming" fake lambdas which you will have to use *everywhere* < 1345571502 684267 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 10 page long due to template abuse? < 1345571515 970530 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it is more usable with actual C++11 lambdas < 1345571523 880567 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i mean, whether it's abuse is subjective < 1345571531 364083 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] () { return 0; } < 1345571532 949474 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, spirit is heavily template meta-programmed and that's the cause of crazy errors < 1345571536 751343 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is a lambda < 1345571544 160711 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you can boost::bind too for semantic actions < 1345571549 526275 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1345571590 51527 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it nice < 1345571590 541908 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x y z -> x * y * z < 1345571603 588563 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty gross how libraries like spirit attempt to do Haskell-style operator-based EDSLs but within the confines of the existing operators and precedences < 1345571610 285156 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that's one too < 1345571615 972500 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is a number: 7 < 1345571618 209694 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's another one: 19 < 1345571641 415113 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345571655 872376 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we play numberwang < 1345571673 331178 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345571699 928691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ that's one too < 1345571701 259426 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 6 1 < 1345571701 535845 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1345571714 77573 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a number. < 1345571752 31463 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what I do find shocking is that the output size of my program is 1.48 MB) < 1345571752 348297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.0/0.0 < 1345571753 891468 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1345571755 622226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't a number. < 1345571758 8265 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not even 100 lines < 1345571759 876658 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1345571762 666295 :PatrickRobotham!~chatzilla@ppp118-209-204-193.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1345571767 272505 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop the r < 1345571883 43209 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuttlefish: that's numberwang! < 1345571904 370808 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: what if you strip it? < 1345571979 884500 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*) . (*) x y z < 1345572068 589142 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's numberwang? < 1345572107 696096 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!numberwang 12 < 1345572110 121623 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's numberwang! < 1345572153 374449 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused, but realizes that it's a perfectly normal state of mind when perusing this channel...
< 1345572179 54492 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjOZtWZ56lc < 1345572182 320597 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should clear it up < 1345572329 789911 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: why are you sending us these bits of code < 1345572358 49940 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think (*) . (*) is valid anyway < 1345572371 651443 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it is < 1345572373 803504 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (*) . (*) < 1345572375 463129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a -> (a -> a) -> a -> a < 1345572382 123567 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (*) . (*) $ 1 id 8 < 1345572383 686324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => (a -> a) -> a -> a < 1345572388 167275 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dambit lambdabot < 1345572394 153186 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((*) . (*)) 1 id 8 < 1345572395 359482 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual type is (Num (a -> a), Num a) => a -> (a -> a) -> a -> a < 1345572395 890416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a < 1345572397 486394 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((*) . (*)) 1 id 8 < 1345572400 102295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 64 < 1345572405 631801 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((*) . (*)) 1 (+ 1) 8 < 1345572408 158285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 72 < 1345572411 897726 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((*) . (*)) 2 (+ 1) 8 < 1345572414 535098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 144 < 1345572420 564780 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lambdabot has a nonstandard instance (Num a) => instance Num (b -> a) < 1345572427 963341 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking lambdabot < 1345572431 741749 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: two... hundred < 1345572453 258290 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey let's start a collaborative learning system for Haskell beginners and have a bot which gives WRONG ANSWERS FOR THE AMUSEMENT OF THE EXPERTS < 1345572460 677103 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you have to put it in extra () < 1345572676 868029 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«f . g x y» means something different from «(f . g) x y» < 1345572683 537355 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :either one could be valid in the right context < 1345572694 38639 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former is equivalent to «f . (g x y)» < 1345572729 836029 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :function application syntax binds tighter than any infix operator < 1345572832 80426 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both are different from (f . g) (x y) < 1345572842 180905 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1345572857 145635 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering how you'd make the equivalent of (\x y -> (*) ((*) x y)) < 1345572884 268867 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl \x y -> (*) ((*) x y) < 1345572885 20037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ x y -> (*) (x * y) < 1345572885 698524 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1345572889 87492 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x y -> (*) ((*) x y) < 1345572889 857199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :((*) .) . (*) < 1345572966 961715 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it just looks like bunnies to me < 1345572973 754220 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1345572980 85713 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (((*) .) . (*)) 2 3 4 < 1345572982 642262 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 24 < 1345572983 304903 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course this is just messing around with syntax just because < 1345573093 463396 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((*) .) . (*) $ 1 2 3 < 1345573094 716309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a -> a) < 1345573094 883242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use... < 1345573130 354370 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that won't work < 1345573141 44884 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((*) .) . (*)) looks mighty weird < 1345573144 294781 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1345573149 133233 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use that in actual code ;P < 1345573178 739873 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where "that" = "Haskell", clearly ;P < 1345573207 646627 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not planning to =P < 1345573215 753698 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol nice zinger soundnfury < 1345573533 670765 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-237-46.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1345573869 249021 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I aim to please :) < 1345573879 833635 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how is everyone? < 1345573928 879998 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1345574046 927540 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how you have to inject your opinion that haskell sucks into any discussion relating to haskell < 1345574058 349704 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same thing most people do with PHP and C++ < 1345574095 527972 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha php sux < 1345574099 772411 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were you saying? < 1345574107 126053 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin is posting in this high quality thread < 1345574124 656084 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1345574164 624208 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what can I say? I'm an asshole about programming-language holywars < 1345574207 567868 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and 99% of the rest of the programming world < 1345574213 439995 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone thinks they know it best < 1345574220 686546 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, see also: EMACS vs vi. < 1345574221 27 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're all wrong, cause I know it best < 1345574224 961821 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The answer is: ed) < 1345574231 868940 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs vs vi is an absurd cliche of a holy war < 1345574237 39896 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody actually cares that much < 1345574239 803991 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody i've met anyway < 1345574243 365567 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :biab dinnerscooked < 1345574244 189477 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1345574250 716064 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out that if you're a professional programmer you meet people who are real people and not stereotypes < 1345574270 113874 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dinnersocked < 1345574274 664986 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ed and vi and duslike emacs but you can't get me to fight for my editor < 1345574281 945166 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A58C.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345574295 697014 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: by "an asshole about programming-language holywars" you mean that you like to start them for fun? < 1345574304 836064 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are realness and stereotypedness mutually exclusive? < 1345574323 738092 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: you really use ed? < 1345574331 220996 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345574345 146435 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL WELL I EDIT FILES BY RUBBING MY DICK AGAINST THE HARD DRIVE < 1345574347 575468 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGUMENT: WON < 1345574374 788381 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/378/ < 1345574386 732817 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's what i was making fun of Lumpio- < 1345574392 280419 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1345574409 756310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "represent the foreign information media" mean? < 1345574430 963933 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see people, this is why i can't just stop reading xkcd even though it sucks < 1345574436 645514 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It wouldn't have been obvious enough without the link. < 1345574441 795644 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people will always and forever use it as the reference point for any "nerdy" topic < 1345574461 414628 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but now i'm just trolling < 1345574513 126991 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: why does xkcd suck? < 1345574523 489075 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1345574525 852605 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe thats what xkcd really is... a reference for certain points that noone else makes < 1345574535 62573 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's a reference for points that *everyone* makes < 1345574571 875321 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if everyone keeps making a point then a lot of people must be aggressively ignoring it < 1345574572 496839 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the earliest iteration, xkcd playfully poked fun at the standard nerd conversational tropes < 1345574590 471777 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it quickly devolved into transcribing these conversations for a wider audience < 1345574609 826688 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: well, not for routine editing, no (gedit and nano actually) < 1345574634 456939 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when I discovered yesterday that lappy didn't have ed installed, I immediately apt-got it < 1345574643 142551 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do you use ed for soundnfury < 1345574655 866715 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than bragging about how big your e-peen is < 1345574665 34520 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun. < 1345574674 382812 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never used ed < 1345574687 27649 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is #esoteric after all < 1345574690 828449 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could argue it's an esoeditor < 1345574700 782331 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: I usually just compile this one http://pjotr.dy.fi/files/ed.c < 1345574701 47957 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: bother, I burnt the chips < 1345574710 746045 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: teco is esoeditor < 1345574719 164464 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: let me guess. It prints "?" on every input? < 1345574719 799407 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: or the unix v7 one < 1345574723 58036 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without having looked at it) < 1345574730 815874 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: no. it really works < 1345574742 584443 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of feel bad calling software or languages esoteric even though they weren't purposefully made to be so < 1345574743 451813 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you could, but the original Unix source code was all written with ed iirc < 1345574769 837192 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: the ? printing variant: main(a){for(;;){read(0,&a,1);if(a=='\n')write(1,"?\n",2);}} < 1345574785 860782 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that < 1345574855 602676 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: but the link I posted is some random ed I have ported to diffent operating systems. my friend is now hosting it on his haiku web server < 1345574871 244583 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, haiku? < 1345574874 942485 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, beos? < 1345574885 96651 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1345574903 958063 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wanted some more obscure os < 1345574909 457135 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason < 1345574912 161328 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the programming problem is that on the one hand everyone runs more smoothly with standards, but on the other hand standards are all biased in some way < 1345574923 764428 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well, he should have used risc os < 1345574937 863534 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^everything runs < 1345574942 351888 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: he doesn't have ARM computers < 1345574947 88387 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta love those old acorn arcs < 1345574960 776694 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to get acorn riscpc < 1345574984 839842 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :newer ones are in my comfortable processing power limits < 1345575016 431860 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1345575194 400397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"are you seeking entry to engage in criminal or immoral activities" these forms are always so lovely. < 1345575243 647025 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. i don't understand why they even bother with questions like that. < 1345575293 13880 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for whoever is reading this like in a log, and didn't wisely ignore my post.. please ignore it now.. < 1345575347 388252 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"excuse me, the local police station here is having a survey. could you just tell me whether you are a pedophile rapist murderer? just check yes or no here..." < 1345575433 805551 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like that US immigration form that asks if you were a Nazi. < 1345575436 893746 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figure it's so that afterwards when you do engage in criminal/immoral activities noone can say they didn't ask < 1345575466 939571 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can call you a liar < 1345575479 256931 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you didn't do a background check on this idiot?" "why should we? he said he wasn't a criminal!" < 1345575500 23814 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, do you have a particularly strong aussie accent? < 1345575518 689263 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"haha, now we have him for being a Nazi AND lying on an immigration form!" < 1345575518 835435 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, no. < 1345575525 541597 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.... my accent has a certain unplacability about it < 1345575528 130816 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1345575544 225072 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking of cosplaying Steve from IWC, need to get the accent < 1345575549 706441 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummm < 1345575555 571857 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i have the video for you :D < 1345575627 291995 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i can remember its name < 1345575903 932365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It was that form. Well, the ESTA thing. < 1345575931 100911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it did ask if I've been involved in Nazi stuff between 1933 to 1945. < 1345575940 841082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Have you ever been or are you now involved in espionage or sabotage; or in < 1345575940 987124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrorist activities; or genocide; or between 1933 and 1945 were you involved, < 1345575944 343126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any way, in persecutions associated with Nazi Germany or its allies? < 1345576080 9946 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1345576360 600500 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“In 1945 I was busy waiting for my parents to be born.” < 1345576397 89487 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i found it < 1345576430 109810 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is technically just an actor but... < 1345576432 291794 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0811/trent-from-punchy-demotivational-poster-1226565882.jpg < 1345576459 771831 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RjC-vh06_c < 1345576475 58458 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a fake australian accent, but it still kinda counts < 1345576497 972109 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an uncle with an australian accent < 1345576506 772952 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strictly speaking I have 3 < 1345576523 127701 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the side of australia they hide < 1345576676 919716 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They... < 1345576683 436866 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all live in Victoria < 1345576843 481739 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found out the guy is actually an actor, but its convincing cos australians can be like that < 1345577666 504887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1345577858 520896 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :) < 1345577934 356363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Reöpen yes/no? The only word I can think of with a diaeresis “eo” is pigeon. <-- um pigeon is two syllables, google agrees < 1345577951 603407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: evening < 1345577968 954853 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ya make ONE tpyo, and you pay for it forever. < 1345577974 312168 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I meant withOUT. < 1345577976 264713 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :röpen? < 1345578033 504564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently yeomen is two syllables iiuc < 1345578037 665621 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, do a New Zealand accent, see if anyone notices. < 1345578059 481239 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's 'yo, men'. < 1345578061 862675 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, “yeoman” is another great example! < 1345578145 745909 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :geography < 1345578157 8451 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait < 1345578221 801635 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it words with or without a diaeresis "eo" we're looking for? < 1345578270 146115 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :without < 1345578272 815803 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wrong < 1345578347 145604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is meow one or two syllables < 1345578398 807306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently either < 1345578406 561605 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two, I'd say < 1345578409 432172 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meee-ooooow < 1345578426 705025 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second of which is a dipthong < 1345578430 390545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: feoff. < 1345578513 910917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I guess jeopardy maybe? I'm no Englosser. (Isn't that what an English-speaking person is called?) < 1345578537 802528 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes, there are plenty of examples both with and without X-D < 1345578538 361651 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :an englosser should be a person who makes things glossy < 1345578539 304469 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it's an anglophone, and also that you're joking) < 1345578550 468709 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But more with diaeresis, I think. < 1345578742 992109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :diarheasis < 1345578762 293468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rr < 1345578853 153492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The diarrheasis is a diacritic that has the shape of a messy splatter. < 1345578857 713517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345578920 389421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+3163F COMBINING DIARRHEASIS BELOW < 1345578923 516925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:39:05: LOL WELL I EDIT FILES BY RUBBING MY DICK AGAINST THE HARD DRIVE < 1345578926 273178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A character to avoid, perhaps. < 1345578926 983480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:39:07: ARGUMENT: WON < 1345578930 144708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HARD DRIVE: DESTROYED < 1345579046 346612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : because people will always and forever use it as the reference point for any "nerdy" topic <-- rubbish, there's also smbc < 1345579180 587813 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by PO < 1345579463 539349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: also why aren't you just looking up the real steve irwin on youtube < 1345579475 540503 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's a completely different person < 1345579485 867406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true, true < 1345579488 289524 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the earliest I'm doing this is April < 1345579507 997428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe he _does_ speak strine though < 1345579519 151503 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does DMM < 1345579537 30171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does? < 1345579550 614605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"strine" means more than just australian, iiuc < 1345579550 973734 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On account of, you know, being Australian < 1345579573 557600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means extremely heavy accent < 1345579590 729791 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345579592 834654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically an accent in which you pronounce australian like "strine" < 1345579608 734161 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345579632 960088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you i don't actually know. i should get around to listening to those iwc podcasts some day. < 1345579775 979276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strine contains "The naturalist and TV presenter Steve Irwin was once referred to as the person who "talked Strine like no other contemporary personality".[4]" < 1345579931 988754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe DMM does not quite count as a "personality". < 1345579944 546515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1345580058 520803 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as I'm gonna be cosplaying as an Australian from an Australian webcomic in a western style at an anime convention < 1345580129 848361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Your SMBC mention made me go look the last 50-odd ones I hadn't read, and one of them made me chuckle. That's unforgivable. < 1345580185 51109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Namely, panel #5 (with 1-based indexing) of http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2687 did.) < 1345580219 750088 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345580252 295417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you laugh at such tragedy. < 1345580282 12064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :about time for me to catch up on it as well < 1345580309 210338 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god < 1345580315 160329 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I've been talking about Muse < 1345580321 178627 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMM posted on his blog < 1345580328 86822 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That he now likes Muse < 1345580336 590255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'll postpone that again < 1345580366 579643 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reserve SMBC as my TVTropes escape mechanism < 1345580482 288124 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you could have just used an ordinal instead of a cardinal < 1345580495 275386 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that you were describing something ordinally rather than cardinally < 1345580545 52931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also using 0-based indexing outside programming is an automatic turing test failure, anyway. < 1345580566 269526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What kind of indexing do you use? < 1345580567 267911 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: video games. my bro say can rec me not lol. can try eh huh?..i a bit late. decimal can? leaving hse nw < 1345580567 609139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe some math too < 1345580622 627056 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what about building floors in britain < 1345580626 255217 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or much of the rest of the world < 1345580636 373345 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they even use -1 for first basement, -2 for second basement, etc < 1345580645 628421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :madness! < 1345580668 35708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the brits are robots, they invented industry after all < 1345580672 884389 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1345580690 636817 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, I take this as a compliment < 1345580693 62844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the university in Belgium, the room numbers were "aa.bb", with the two-digit 'aa' denoting floor; they had 00 for ground floor, 01 for the one above it, etc.; and 99 for first basement, 98 for second. < 1345580710 338678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I heard anyone speaking of "floor 99", though. < 1345580712 108090 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1345580716 980231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury is british? it's so hard to notice over the haskell bashing < 1345580819 672129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: modulo 100 arithmetic? < 1345580846 142771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what _is_ the base 10 equivalent of the phrase "two's complement" anyway < 1345580862 366415 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :10's complement? < 1345580865 913228 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What was 50? < 1345580884 196761 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did that not come up because there weren't that many floors? =P < 1345580909 641770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Presumably it'd depend on how many basement levels and floors the building had. < 1345580925 521270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know what they'd have done for buildings with >100 floors in total. < 1345580949 590139 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-153-191.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345580981 238013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The method of complements can also be applied in base-10 arithmetic, using ten's complements by analogy with two's complements." < 1345581035 738481 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the counterpart of 1's complement would be 9's complement? < 1345581166 443957 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, C was based on BCPL, which was designed at Cambridge < 1345581213 414027 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main Haskell compiler was created at Glasgow < 1345581240 743002 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1345581251 659968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: seems so < 1345581259 244646 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but glasgey is one of my least favourite of the scottish stereotypes < 1345581287 331110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no true scottish stereotype < 1345581291 91935 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha < 1345581318 207594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BCD article mentions signed BCD with ten's complement. I was wondering if anyone was doing that. < 1345581340 445697 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1345581354 384396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i imagine this terminology will get very confusing if you are using two different bases one apart < 1345581367 727897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :('At least kind of.) < 1345581378 738827 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: would DA instructions still work properly? < 1345581383 944058 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1345581388 37352 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION _thinks_ they should but isn't sure
< 1345581404 762594 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Real Men™ use balanced ternary. < 1345581409 880156 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, that would be a fairly weird thing to do in the first place, maybe it won't matter all that much < 1345581414 962868 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Complex Men™ use Quater-imaginary base) < 1345581423 546412 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(badum-tish!) < 1345581427 497828 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just a simple pole in a complex plane < 1345581446 310227 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero, because all the poles are in eastern europe < 1345581455 950134 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that's plainly not the case < 1345581459 256703 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :planely < 1345581459 402913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you're not a pole! < 1345581462 449649 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not < 1345581467 994341 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're over here stealing our jobs #dailymail < 1345581471 667237 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1345581471 899235 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ok, there are /some/ poles in western europe, but they are removable < 1345581474 687680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you may swat kmc < 1345581479 314172 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"press 2 for polish" < 1345581479 725781 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god did I just hashtag in IRC < 1345581483 704458 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What have I become < 1345581486 838761 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: it's ok < 1345581489 795123 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretend it's a channel < 1345581512 331608 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will not join #dailymail < 1345581522 50397 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's empty < 1345581522 196338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The official Daily Mail freenode channel. < 1345581522 452441 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary coded hexadecimal is equivalent to binary itself < 1345581522 598642 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY EVERYONE let's all /join #dailymail and pretend to be crazed xenophobes < 1345581539 844817 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1345581577 390891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want us to pretend that, are you some kind of communist < 1345581578 620973 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary coded trinary < 1345581596 447846 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary coded binary < 1345581600 287099 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or binary coded unary, that might be worse < 1345581636 249306 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary coded baudot coded binary < 1345581643 710071 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary coded negabinary < 1345581654 315050 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :store bits as FIGURESHIFT {0,1} LETTERSHIFT < 1345581659 613748 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 bits per bit < 1345581701 569655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-4-coded binary only uses 32 bits per bit. < 1345581722 858890 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could store the bits in combining characters < 1345581762 423440 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like, an odd number of combining characters is a one, an even number is a zero perhaps? < 1345581802 53665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you print it as a book in vietnamese < 1345581909 377780 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1345581958 390888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using UCS-2.625 you get one bit per 3 codepoints. < 1345581975 512617 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.625? < 1345581989 240831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where you store 3 codepoints per 64 bits. < 1345581991 503838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 21*3 < 1345581992 704700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 63 < 1345582156 150133 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean you store the bit in the extra bit left over after the 3 codepoints? < 1345582163 605928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1345582255 766600 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-4 lets you store 3 codepoints in 96 bits without even having any bits left over < 1345582315 66526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's more secure. I mean, it has more bits, it must be. < 1345582325 81178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-4 has lots of bits left over. < 1345582339 543376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (32-21)*3 < 1345582340 611306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 33 < 1345582347 337260 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, but they must all be zero < 1345582347 687889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those aren't left over. < 1345582364 789113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK. < 1345582377 203121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-2.625 ought to be called UCS-2.666... anyway. < 1345582382 413943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bit isn't really left over. < 1345582455 56019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-2.510932855... and so on. < 1345582463 682662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When UCS-2.625 feels too wasteful. < 1345582499 497266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only need 20.08746... bits, after all. 21 is almost a whole bit too much. < 1345582502 796330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 21 < 1345582504 564439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4.392317422778761 < 1345582516 374968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1345582517 194708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Huh? Unicode is specified to use 21 bits. < 1345582531 647069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, it's specified to contain code points from 0 to 0x10FFFF. < 1345582541 416990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, really? < 1345582551 436651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1345582554 706857 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how they came up with 17 as a logical number of planes < 1345582555 586347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 (0x10FFFF+1) < 1345582556 981612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20.087462841250343 < 1345582557 127506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 planes. < 1345582571 310055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 256 (0x10FFFF+1) < 1345582572 749533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You also don't need to store surrogate-pair codepoints. < 1345582572 917053 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.510932855156293 < 1345582578 9368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that saves a bit more. < 1345582579 338677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1345582582 786100 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had to be a prime number? they wanted to make sure no-one tried to make do with 20 bits? < 1345582604 952656 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 isn't prime? < 1345582607 970954 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always include the surrogate pairs in your UCS-4 or UTF-8 encoding < 1345582630 235597 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :people already actually do that, so it would hardly even be weird < 1345582637 243286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: But they're invalid. < 1345582687 267829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 256 (0x10FFFF+1) :: CReal < 1345582689 124193 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.5109328551562924260317582513513005442514 < 1345582700 300815 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :invalid schminvalid < 1345582768 911407 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do UCS-2.5 with an escape code that enter an astral mode where everything is offset with one plane < 1345582781 267688 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*enters < 1345582897 523670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let m = (1+) . fromIntegral . fromEnum in logBase (m (maxBound :: Word8)) (m (maxBound :: Char)) -- now without magic constants < 1345582900 280598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.510932855156293 < 1345582999 884111 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :another escape code could take you to astral plains with otherworldly farmers < 1345583015 465770 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1345583044 25984 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345583077 819409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The UCS (i.e. ISO/IEC 10646, Universal multiple-octet coded character set (UCS)) at one point in its history had 2^31 codepoints, with 128 "groups" of 256 "planes" of 256 "rows" of 256 "cells". < 1345583142 51971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had at least a draft out with that kind of structure. < 1345583189 457967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Unicode bumped themselves up from 16 bits to the 17-plane thing in version 2.0, and ISO 10646 limited themselves to the same amount. < 1345583490 285683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: As for why exactly 17 planes, it at least exactly "fills" the UTF-16 surrogate pair mechanism -- you get the BMP as-is, and the other 16 planes make for exactly 20 bits, and there's 10 bits space in each surrogate half -- though I don't know the history. < 1345583531 419091 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: would this astral plane contain three encodings of '_'? < 1345583582 18312 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there is the plane of planes, where every code point is an encoding of '_' < 1345583595 231579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 is the devil. :-( < 1345583633 523438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plane of planes has a lot of characters like ✈ < 1345583652 407151 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's the *other* plane of planes < 1345583654 997704 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1345583669 813962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it the plane of *other* planes? < 1345583672 351114 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, the devil is people who assume "UTF-16 is just UCS-2, right?" < 1345583692 438170 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: DYESWIDT? < 1345583692 973311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: That's a double devil. < 1345583724 246377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do You ESWant IDentified Things? < 1345583736 41149 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! I can't be dead! < 1345583749 483687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: There is only silence and some second-hand clothes. < 1345583762 20561 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You have: no tea < 1345584154 765825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :take common sense < 1345584237 241840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode 2.0 indeed seems to (a) still talk about how "Unicode character codes have a uniform width of 16 bits" and (b) introduce the "surrogate extension mechanism" to access the non-BMP characters. So it does sound like that's why the 17 planes; I think they got UTF-16 out of the then-existing ISO/IEC 10646-1:1993 that (I believe) had 2^31 codepoints. Would be interesting to see a draft of ... < 1345584243 662632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... that, to see how they justify the encoding that can't go all the way up. < 1345584280 938251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an "overview" document from that time describing the Transformation Formats, saying "UTF-16: Unlike UTF-8 and UTF-7, this transformation reduces UCS-4-coded text to a UCS-2-based encoding and the result can only be used by so called 8-bit safe programs and processes, where all octet values are allowed. All UCS-4 codes in the BMP are reduced to the corresponding code in UCS-2. In ... < 1345584287 443185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... addition, UCS-4 codes in the 10 following planes of group 0 are transformed to two UCS-2 codes. 4096 codes in the BMP are reserved for this. This makes the characters that in the future may be allocated to 1048576 code positions of UCS-4 outside the BMP available in the 16-bit UCS-2 coded character set. The other code positions in UCS-4 are still unusable in the UTF-16 transformation ... < 1345584293 929301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... format. One motivation for defining UTF-16 has been that it will make it possible for software implementing Unicode to cope with the expansion of UCS outside the BMP for the foreseeable future." < 1345584339 340986 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :being "8-bit safe" doesn't sound very useful when exposed to either of UCS-2 or UTF-16 < 1345584409 144837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also withdraws the UTF-1 from the draft; I wonder if that thing was ever really used anywhere. < 1345584833 17602 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a spam asking if I sent some woman to collect money on my behalf < 1345584843 752321 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to wonder what would happen if I said "yes" < 1345585460 450407 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So that's who the money lady was talking about" < 1345585473 104735 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm glad I gave her all my money now" < 1345585512 942722 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And on that bombshell, goodnight! < 1345585514 168983 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1345585908 605786 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-151-117.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1345585912 129150 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345586158 830749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere in hexham atriq is sleeping on top of a bomb < 1345586181 396212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hexham < 1345586192 626040 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham is a European town. There are nine people in Hexham, and at least two of them are in this channel. Taneb looks after the ham. < 1345586193 629148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where hexham < 1345586193 979188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about hexham. < 1345586208 82357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?list where < 1345586208 273446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb? Who's Taneb? < 1345586208 904780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where provides: where url what where+ < 1345586220 635129 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ham < 1345586224 689157 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ham? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1345586228 186977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there might be a slight hint in the topic < 1345586238 548506 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what hexham is like < 1345586249 607352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: atriq is Taneb, but is "is" symmetric? < 1345586251 304939 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been to wylam, is it a bit like that? < 1345586259 303983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "is" is symmetric then symmetric is "is". < 1345586263 313952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which doesn't make sense. < 1345586270 142719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where+ Hexham is in Northumblingaroundland < 1345586270 693757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1345586274 940095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where hexham < 1345586275 720076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is in Northumblingaroundland < 1345586279 766060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1345586286 198553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where+ Hexham Hexham is in Northumblingaroundland < 1345586286 929101 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1345586303 916150 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345586318 100787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: see: equivalence relations < 1345586333 963941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "is" is an equivalence relation? < 1345586350 406374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@whatis gazpacho < 1345586350 916407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about gazpacho. < 1345586352 989378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gazpacho < 1345586356 431931 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gazpacho? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1345586357 460148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMETIMES < 1345586376 725309 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is" is not an equivalence relation < 1345586398 249061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is" can mean a lot of things. Like ⊆ < 1345586439 34826 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is" is a partial order < 1345586576 612606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho. Let's call the whole thing off!" >wisdom/gazpacho < 1345586579 817033 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1345586593 392122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cp wisdom/gazpacho wisdom/gaspacho < 1345586596 854247 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1345586603 351780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gazpacho < 1345586606 988737 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho. Let's call the whole thing off! < 1345586716 398081 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "is" define a lattice? < 1345586726 381932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lettuce < 1345586729 512939 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lettuce? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1345586740 659051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: What would be the top and bottom? < 1345586745 84691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"something" and "everything" < 1345586746 70476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1345586753 327732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Lettuce is a vegetable with two operations, join and meet. < 1345586757 494275 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1345586761 752395 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1345586775 514281 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dressings, not operations < 1345586782 710208 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of lettuce, did you know that no-one knows exactly what kind of lettuce they had on the titanic? < 1345586788 468234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Lettuce is a vegetable with two dressings, join and meet. < 1345586791 768348 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1345586813 376345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION braces for the punchline
< 1345586813 522474 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc, iceberg lettuce wasn't invented at that time < 1345587328 700301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell: Worst channel or worstest channel? < 1345587344 272461 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wurstest < 1345587515 272293 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bratwurstest! < 1345587798 203188 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1345588085 486778 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did it do this time < 1345588090 581434 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ^ < 1345588124 437974 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: UTF-1?? < 1345588205 222065 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : you could do UCS-2.5 with an escape code < 1345588215 91665 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have reinvented ISO 2022 < 1345588217 288791 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go directly to jail < 1345588219 57386 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not pass go < 1345588221 464268 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not collect $200 < 1345588230 18231 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do not collect CHF 60 for a copy of ISO 2022" < 1345588688 75538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, just the usual. < 1345588700 999488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads and things. < 1345588709 197177 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you even in there if you don't like it? < 1345588719 651230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like some of it. < 1345588743 224868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is like one of those experiments where the randomized rewards get further and further apart from each other, though. :-) < 1345588747 618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.$/(/ < 1345588764 168494 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hmm, if that just makes a new ISO 2022, that's boring... I don't know how ISO 2022 works, but is there some way of making it more horribler than ISO 2022? < 1345589354 770494 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume so < 1345589374 281842 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 102022 < 1345589388 402484 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also now i want currywurst :( < 1345589415 831063 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 planes filled with 65536 escape codes each < 1345589451 194010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads and lenses and kinds, oh my < 1345589463 46805 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1345589505 121416 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1345589576 242722 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurr, this movie has gun kata < 1345589589 546625 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345589594 987995 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man i forgot about gun kata < 1345589604 15846 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy to help :) < 1345589752 467710 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1345589952 73436 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1345590233 549214 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs in popular culture < 1345590382 338868 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1345590387 405509 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh http://geofft.mit.edu/blog/sipb/132 cool < 1345590629 441840 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yuck, tempfiles? < 1345590650 788334 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't he use "gcc -x c <"? < 1345590673 739468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ezyang is moving to CA! < 1345590714 291264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :canafornia < 1345590728 419606 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: you still need somewhere to put the executable and run it < 1345590733 35673 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cellular automafornia < 1345590737 21399 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok < 1345590743 372229 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, grad school at stanford < 1345590744 582319 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew that < 1345590766 91336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :calistanford < 1345590767 86388 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there must be a way around that. < 1345590775 959965 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: let me know < 1345590815 454851 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are C interpreters, I guess < 1345590845 307215 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could use that gccrun, which is a very tiny shell script < 1345590869 622412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turns out you can reach Knuth via email overnight if you know the right person to contact. < 1345590876 359560 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but, tempfiles? Yuck. < 1345590891 68036 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, gcc $0 is a bit more fun < 1345590902 468641 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury you're really getting on my nerves < 1345590904 905328 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's the goal < 1345590912 506295 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not entirely < 1345590918 372343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not for long _now_... < 1345590923 372315 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there is a part of my personality that seems to want to < 1345590957 854522 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i read homestuck for the deep philosophical questions < 1345590964 194909 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 'is the jig every anywhere but up?' < 1345591042 468230 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: people in general, or me in particular? < 1345591052 987971 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is currently vacillating between Common Lisp and Clojure
< 1345591061 502631 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: for what purpose? < 1345591064 113095 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: people who like haskell in general < 1345591068 581184 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345591073 759880 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for talking about on IRC? < 1345591075 901261 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, a language to use for whatever purpose < 1345591090 287986 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Write your own Lisp. < 1345591093 305926 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: did i even say i like haskell? < 1345591095 540879 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe finally trying web dev, maybe making IRC bots, maybe implementing an esolang. < 1345591116 810554 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you infer that from the fact that i'm annoyed by your extremely ham-fisted attempts at bashing haskell < 1345591143 291676 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, maybe also people who don't like people who don't like haskell < 1345591145 610818 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iunno < 1345591185 551450 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1345591207 166752 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that you "don't like haskell" it's that the intellectual depth of your criticism is "LOL HASKELL SUX AM I RITE" < 1345591208 49177 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/bash -c "ghc" # bashing haskell < 1345591220 584795 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, also I like the idea of modifying a program while its running for developement purposes < 1345591230 84457 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got plenty of gripes with haskell myself < 1345591259 452109 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's because going any deeper than that into haskell-speak saps my will to live < 1345591289 257669 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1345591289 956814 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haskellers won't talk to you except in their categorical language < 1345591298 644656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs.
< 1345591305 736073 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that you think haskell is about category theory indicates that you lack even a basic understanding of the language < 1345591316 472426 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that haskell is about category theory < 1345591348 199316 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that haskell coders are about category theory < 1345591356 268002 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a minority of them < 1345591357 611501 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway < 1345591367 421744 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty of pragmatic real-world-language grounds on which to criticize haskell < 1345591371 607388 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which have nothing to do with category theory < 1345591385 361291 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being a fan of one concept inspired by category theory does not imply thinking about category theory < 1345591386 559537 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and generally try to take far too mathematical an approach to programming < 1345591412 396303 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, does having to deal with monad transformers count as one of those reasons? < 1345591419 411144 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :potentially < 1345591441 703438 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm a maths graduate myself, I *love* maths. But formal methods in programming really turn me off < 1345591457 200216 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345591490 572824 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell takes heavy inspiration from math, but that doesn't mean it's ... not sure what I'm trying to say < 1345591520 743402 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is not particularly about "formal methods" but the stuff that's *actually* called "formal methods" is pretty damn important < 1345591533 359218 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm riding in an airplane, i want to know that the software running the plane has been mathematically proven correct < 1345591544 741472 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition to lots of real-world testing < 1345591549 676809 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is not a substitute for the other < 1345591567 584719 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously if you're making a website to serve cat photos you don't need this degree of rigor < 1345591574 523590 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :again < 1345591576 813870 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing to do with haskell < 1345591583 569850 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell actually sucks as a language for proving shit about your code < 1345591586 97009 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory it would be great < 1345591594 469500 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in practice the formal methods community cares about C because it's industrially relevant < 1345591610 28437 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can prove some stuff within the haskell type system, but there's real diminishing returns in terms of the complexity of doing so < 1345591634 56511 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm not sure what I'm trying to say either, except that the haskell community and its jargon "smells bad" to me < 1345591663 904158 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when something "smells bad" you should consider whether it's actually your own prejudices < 1345591673 225881 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is sadly a lot of anti-intellectualism among programmers < 1345591683 455690 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i agree that there are many problems with the haskell community as well < 1345591686 494176 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I just wish this channel had more discussion of /other/ esolangs >snerk< < 1345591692 579968 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i quit #haskell because it was constantly making me angry < 1345591697 464589 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what kind of anti-intellectualism do you mean? < 1345591699 313230 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after several years of hanging out there all the time < 1345591711 887460 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: the kind you are displaying < 1345591725 337168 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :taxonomy: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4001 < 1345591727 216123 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :making fun of the fancy math words and the book learnin' without any substantive complaint < 1345591741 600028 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming anyone with a PhD cannot code < 1345591756 742128 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so thalamic? < 1345591759 289457 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :TomWilliams < 1345591775 335353 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also programmers can be anti-intellectual in that they think all intellectual pursuits *other* than programming are inferior < 1345591802 632862 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To that all I can say is "Hell no." < 1345591806 98733 :TomWilliams!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1345591806 378162 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they assume that if only a programmer bothered to look at one of these other fields, they would instantly revolutionize < 1345591813 949116 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not going to read a long blog post by esr thanks < 1345591840 967062 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a problem with "book learnin'" per se, just misapplication thereof < 1345591868 354756 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also every language community has its own jargon < 1345591882 560216 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell jargon is more unfamiliar because haskell is a unusual language < 1345591918 54172 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that type of fancy math belongs in programming, I think programming is an analytic/synthetic discipline, whereas the fancy-math approach seems to be purely synthetic < 1345591945 681160 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something is both analytic and synthetic, then wouldn't you like some analytic tools and some synthetic tools? < 1345591947 546571 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, programming in haskell looks like the equivalent of doing your calculus with greek geometry á la Isaac Barrow < 1345591977 685978 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sure but the language has to accommodate both < 1345592001 358673 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell accommodates most styles... < 1345592015 427760 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see much room for analysis in the strongly-typed world of haskell < 1345592017 354230 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it definitely accomodates the loosely-checked, side-effect-full style favored elsewhere < 1345592025 436954 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've worked out what I don't like about haskell < 1345592043 706656 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that the type system is too complicated < 1345592052 94172 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your attitude is one of someone who has read all the hype about what makes Haskell unusual, but hasn't actually used the language and so doesn't know about the various ways in which it compromises on those unusual qualities < 1345592061 613235 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type system isn't that complicated < 1345592064 863388 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even have subtyping! < 1345592069 909473 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer simple ontologies like "everything is a cons" or "everything is a bag of bytes" < 1345592127 589339 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how much do you actually know about haskell < 1345592131 47171 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, how much code have you written < 1345592149 669661 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as I've mentioned before, I don't know much about haskell < 1345592171 839191 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I know even less about COBOL and I'm willing to hold opinions about it too < 1345592172 454089 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to hold off complaining about how unrelentingly 'synthetic' it is, then < 1345592188 314547 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's unwise < 1345592192 655075 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm willing to substitute the judgement of others whom I trust for my own < 1345592194 737211 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it causes you to embarrass yourself in public < 1345592393 901911 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the fanboys are to blame largely < 1345592434 825152 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :start learning haskell => write a prime number sieve => blog about how pure and mathematical haskell is < 1345592551 280505 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is this impression that Haskell is a pure object of mathematical beauty and that it forces you to program in a totally different way < 1345592552 139506 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PART :#esoteric < 1345592554 344302 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not, and it doesn't < 1345592575 48920 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is the experience of beginners and that is the furthest most people get < 1345592658 654426 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if most people only get that far, maybe the learning curve is the wrong shape? < 1345592673 602066 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it is < 1345592677 800780 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, brick-wall-shaped instead of curve-shaped ;) < 1345592686 473614 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of the biggest problems with the language and the reason why it will never be mainstream < 1345592694 745715 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to convince me about that < 1345592715 764230 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.37.21 PART :#esoteric < 1345592770 509579 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i think haskell is a good tool for solving certain problems, but not good enough to justify learning it on those grounds < 1345592773 791809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote than haskell < 1345592777 247866 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :844) stanley: basically, the entire purpose of the esolang community is, we're trying to invent a language that's worse than Haskell. We're not there yet, though some of the funges are close. < 1345592784 508340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 844 < 1345592785 74803 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only a practical tool if you've already learned it for fun < 1345592786 995726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1345592788 393932 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* stanley: basically, the entire purpose of the esolang community is, we're trying to invent a language that's worse than Haskell. We're not there yet, though some of the funges are close. < 1345592791 352447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard there was an argument about haskell < 1345592796 125497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thank you for removing that quote < 1345592800 127087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kept meaning to but then didn't < 1345592810 15862 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really learned, not just well enough to do prime number sieves and toy lisp implementations < 1345592812 251344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: after the current argument it suddenly didn't feel funny any more < 1345592813 123249 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which takes a long time < 1345592854 383560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, the qdb can be used for preserving stupid things people say < 1345592856 197985 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw man, why did you delete it? < 1345592861 128420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ideally they should be stupid things that take a little bit of thought to come up with < 1345592864 201550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just dumb things < 1345592895 282495 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sulks
< 1345592931 735846 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen anyone else with this much of an axe to grind about haskell, besides Jon Harrop < 1345592938 328483 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: are you Jon Harrop < 1345592941 788148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: i realized it was more sour gripe than humor. < 1345592965 114903 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually, it wasn't sour gripe. It wasn't humor either. It was *humour*. < 1345592973 203865 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No. Who is Jon Harrop? < 1345592990 434037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :has he ever been seen together with soundnfury? < 1345592991 240974 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a person with an axe to grind about Haskell < 1345593006 868676 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a troll who #haskell cannot stop talking about, proving his effectiveness < 1345593021 712273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: actually, it wasn't sour gripe. It wasn't humor either. It was *humour*. < 1345593022 801957 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he does make substantive technical arguments and community criticisms besides LOL HASKELL SUX ITS WORSE THAN SHITE < 1345593025 652720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry can you be more obnoxious < 1345593034 340501 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from time to time < 1345593035 342529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i wouldn't call harrop's arguments substantive... < 1345593046 677568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are pretty shallow < 1345593053 152600 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ok. < 1345593069 885113 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when he accused the haskell community of cherry-picking results to show how great haskell is, i was like < 1345593074 290068 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ouch... but i see where you're coming from" < 1345593109 481431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: maybe i would take harrop quarter-seriously if he was not obviously and self-admittedly doing all this for the sole purpose of shilling for his shitty company < 1345593110 115518 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you named after the Elliott Automation line of computers? < 1345593121 918069 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact... are you an AI running on an Elliot 503? < 1345593123 689747 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1345593129 810272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i am actually named after the amplifier brand or something < 1345593133 604850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least half < 1345593156 571964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should see some of his deleted stack overflow answers, they are pretty great < 1345593159 139073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least one of them is < 1345593184 583239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he acused the DPH people of academic fraud or something because he didn't consider them competent on parallel computing < 1345593200 549568 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye outer gods, F#? < 1345593214 346011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*accused < 1345593222 985647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: so what is your favourite language < 1345593369 765079 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: C < 1345593378 223835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: hahaha ok < 1345593381 29204 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp would run it close if the dialects didn't all suck < 1345593385 774100 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why is C your favorite language < 1345593391 800966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: hahaha ok II: the return of hahaha ok < 1345593391 981785 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though obviously they're for different things < 1345593417 490930 :nooga!~nooga@ip-93-154-164-145.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats kmc
< 1345593447 944254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you took your time! < 1345593480 331157 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: because it's easy to mentally model the execution of the code, and because it's local < 1345593481 704865 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it wrong to like newLisp's source and save functions? < 1345593517 31602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes. worse than murder. < 1345593517 180014 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the sense that everything controlling the semantics of a piece of code is usually in or near that piece) < 1345593522 185250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: if you think it is easy to mentally model the execution of some C code you have no idea how modern hardware works < 1345593525 279965 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not easy to mentally model the execution of C code on modern compilers and processors :/ < 1345593533 12620 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously preprocessor abuse can break this) < 1345593535 679729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: that is also false. function calls exist < 1345593537 989779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointers exist < 1345593538 541134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :&c. < 1345593554 619023 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's god damned hard to mentally model how *assembly* maps to hardware functioning. < 1345593566 663117 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ah, but reordering and shizzle is supposed not to affect things < 1345593567 705163 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345593583 684552 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what I mean is "I can emulate the C abstract machine in my head" < 1345593585 46663 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is at least two layers of abstraction up! < 1345593585 840170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might say it's just like optimisations performed a haskell -- or indeed any other language's -- compiler