< 1345420880 569992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been told about make a computer, to make a BIOS ROM to be shadow, and can use DMA for hard drive and optical drive.
< 1345420957 888604 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i was assuming a centralized vendor with a single linear sequence of struct versions
< 1345420966 695542 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can deprecate and ignore some fields, of course)
< 1345421204 290724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought about using the sizeof command in C to identify structure types in macros, by the size of one of the elements, or something like that. If you can use a zero-length array field, then you can use it not takes up space but can be use with sizeof(b.a[0]) to see what size of type using
< 1345421257 586109 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345421263 158145 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345421548 676773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> False, True = True, False
< 1345421711 712715 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, all you neeed are Frue, Talse, and Floyd
< 1345421723 622270 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan knows what I'm talking about, but he's not here right now
< 1345421747 843188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> False, True = True, Fnord
< 1345421775 804226 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sir-toby.com/nomic-archives/frc/ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/frc/29
< 1345421795 797325 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> 256 is 255+1
< 1345421795 943623 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1345421795 943850 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> 257 is 256+1
< 1345421795 943960 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :False
< 1345421823 773032 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is?
< 1345421830 676537 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :python has an 'is' operator
< 1345421830 822795 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you prologging?
< 1345421833 102280 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1345421840 250967 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tests object identity
< 1345421860 190103 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION used to live in Python
< 1345421860 840138 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CPython interpreter interns small integers but not large ones
< 1345421863 285444 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is embarrassing.
< 1345421873 367397 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i... don't know what that means
< 1345421888 578167 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, for many years, Python was my language of choice
< 1345421894 374053 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: He's admitting to the many years of his life spent being digested by a python.
< 1345421901 973784 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's a fine language
< 1345421906 678664 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is my language of choice for many things
< 1345421922 393629 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has many flaws yes
< 1345421925 729576 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do all of the other languages i know
< 1345421950 419552 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what are Kernel's flaws?
< 1345422061 59985 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh i am talking about languages as tools for actually doing things
< 1345422070 881167 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as objects to wank over on IRC
< 1345422085 938309 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you still want a list?
< 1345422139 66215 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well, I guess main flaw then is lack of libraries?
< 1345422154 900962 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one of many
< 1345422171 474595 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many people in the world have written more than 1000 lines of Kernel code?
< 1345422180 331477 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer to that question may very well be "one"
< 1345422194 722231 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most projects require working with other people
< 1345422201 629567 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is Common Lisp as a tool for doing things?
< 1345422212 720673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knows how Tcl was, at least for the one bot he made
< 1345422215 780363 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there is only one extant implementation of Kernel, right?
< 1345422232 256716 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it robust? is it fast? does it have necessary tools like a debugger, profiler, etc?
< 1345422249 185010 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a lot more people know CL than know Kernel ;P
< 1345422267 18122 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's an old language with a bunch of implementations and tools
< 1345422273 670594 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and libraries
< 1345422295 33012 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still much less popular than, say, Python
< 1345422311 332418 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp advocates will say that this is OK because the people who know Lisp are better (better programmers, and better human beings generally)
< 1345422320 336765 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Haskellers say the same thing too)
< 1345422324 847429 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is something to that
< 1345422334 332976 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not always enough
< 1345422347 614545 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some projects just require a lot of code
< 1345422361 692859 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you do not have time to sit around and think up the most clever way to do it
< 1345422403 120160 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanted to use a library. Because I wanted to give someone else just a bunch of files so they could run the bot, rather than telling them to install ActiveTcl, I was stuck to one implementation (tclkit). I had a hard time getting a library I needed to work properly on it, and ended up using an obsolete version of the library. Said obsolete version is missing features that I would have found useful.
< 1345422537 670115 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you want to talk about the language design itself, my biggest concern with a language like Kernel is that it will be very hard to make an efficient implementation
< 1345422543 577568 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything resembling a compiler
< 1345422559 216199 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have not read what Shutt wrote on that topic, so I can't claim to be an expert
< 1345422669 753623 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers spend too much time talking about languages
< 1345422809 855336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :, Writes Area #Esoteric Man
< 1345422812 816380 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1345422818 26609 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do realize what channel i'm in
< 1345422836 851141 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why i haven't ranted at Sgeo a lot more already :)
< 1345422891 500838 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I have a feeling that if talking about languages isn't your thing, you won't like me or my blog
< 1345422910 592963 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, I should start writing my post
< 1345422959 665976 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do like talking about languages quite a lot :)
< 1345422976 522672 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's important to have perspective
< 1345422996 774904 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345423000 472420 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are talking about overall success of a project or company
< 1345423024 238833 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345423034 505418 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the design of a language is less important than its ecosystem
< 1345423049 528744 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the choice of language is less important than other technical decisions
< 1345423068 594374 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and technical decisions are often less important than business decisions
< 1345423095 679834 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you can choose a language which is so wrong for the task that it cripples the company
< 1345423103 476861 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think many web startups fail because they picked python over ruby or vice versa
< 1345423110 869374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric can point to dozens of those!
< 1345423111 224787 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here
< 1345423121 868210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#help
< 1345423122 231131 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get help about specific command with #help <command>. Commands: #echo, #cat, #ls, #rm, #writefile, #cc, #exec, #msg, #readmsg, #forth, #loadforth, #eliza, #/etc/passwd
< 1345423130 619219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a terrible bot prefix.
< 1345423131 300571 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Channels!
< 1345423135 70996 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many channels!
< 1345423179 428825 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#cc exists
< 1345423182 305304 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is popular
< 1345423183 169745 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is an awful, awful language but it has a huge amount of documentation, libraries, people, etc.
< 1345423191 352129 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an implementation which makes it very easy to get started
< 1345423201 642169 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is why PHP is so successful, for good or for ill
< 1345423230 508997 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHHAHAHA
< 1345423234 550741 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in so many channels right now
< 1345423243 493835 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#/etc/passwd is a valid channel name
< 1345423243 808183 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :root:x:0:0:Root Administrator:/root:/bin/ksh\nnobody:x:99:99:Unprivileged User:/dev/null:/bin/false\nwww:x:80:80:Web Server User:/var/www:/bin/false\nmessagebus:x:25:25:DBUS Daemon User:/dev/null:/bin/false\nhaldaemon:x:26:26:HAL Daemon User:/dev/null:/bin/false\njuhani:x:1000:1000:Linux User,,,:/home/juhani:/bin/ksh\n
< 1345423251 679949 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#/etc/shadow
< 1345423258 555136 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1345423265 231456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ls
< 1345423265 595557 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 
< 1345423268 679058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#cat A
< 1345423287 240020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#/etc/crontab
< 1345423289 819094 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#:(){ :|:& };:
< 1345423291 52178 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#whoami
< 1345423316 297674 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ls
< 1345423316 469715 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 
< 1345423322 667721 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#gcc
< 1345423332 503256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Your bot is trouble.
< 1345423334 411880 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#cc
< 1345423362 565042 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#uptime
< 1345423374 930398 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ass-butts
< 1345423445 97761 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what's your blog post about?
< 1345423454 249629 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it's going to be about name conflicts
< 1345423461 615820 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a blog already?
< 1345423470 652489 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I linked it before?
< 1345423483 472961 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sgeoster.blogspot.com
< 1345423487 780908 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i missed it
< 1345423501 25831 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much content yet ;)
< 1345423556 309406 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes AFK for a bit to organize his thoughts
< 1345423581 661852 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It strikes me that, once I'm working in a corporate environment, I won't be able to just take a shower to collect my thoughts.
< 1345423586 342822 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to do that when programming.
< 1345423752 186539 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey cool, i missed this article the first time around: https://blogs.oracle.com/ksplice/entry/the_top_10_tricks_of
< 1345423763 336983 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a lot of office buildings have showers actually
< 1345423783 728240 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really nice if you are biking to work
< 1345423786 856348 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sleeping under your desk
< 1345424456 305255 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, I've seen libraries for accessing Python stuff from CL
< 1345424459 935597 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks unmaintained though
< 1345424499 365026 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that what would be very good would be a Perl FFI for CL... allowing access to CPAN stuff
< 1345424546 121976 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be cool
< 1345424693 468110 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you know about the old Linux exploit relating to /etc/cron.d and corefiles?
< 1345424803 111033 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, it's possible to talk to .NET from CL
< 1345424816 898783 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the tool's name is about as understandable as Perl
< 1345424823 526908 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work?
< 1345424830 793948 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't tried it
< 1345424833 541382 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called RDNZL
< 1345424861 369530 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://weitz.de/rdnzl/
< 1345424996 102031 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"RDNZL is currently targeted at Microsoft Windows."
< 1345425192 597906 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"About the name: It was pretty clear to me from the beginning that the name of the library should be "RDNZL." However, I'm not sure what this acronym exactly stands for. Surely, "L" is for "Lisp" and "DN" is for "DotNet". The rest? You'll figure it out... :) "
< 1345425197 470167 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/songs/RDNZL.html
< 1345425294 540375 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if that's suitable for use even if something might expect a .NET library
< 1345425296 501204 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1345425333 50725 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In particular, I have Grandroids in mind)
< 1345425357 928635 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey http://www.cliki.net/perl-in-lisp
< 1345425373 533462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Perl in Lisp is not under active development"
< 1345425379 903337 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's because there's a thing in CPAN
< 1345425635 947449 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example use:
< 1345425636 132023 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op :perl-in-lisp)
< 1345425636 278198 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(perl::eval-perl "3 + 4")  ==> 7
< 1345425636 809624 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345425639 263511 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's ugly
< 1345427572 283374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope.
< 1345427965 385035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/hh/hh-12.html#ss12.2 ?
< 1345428450 479968 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1345428535 356429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, so what's the bug? That you can dump a core file in an arbitrary directory?
< 1345428548 629296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at page again.
< 1345428566 688321 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1345428576 17016 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally setuid programs can't dump core
< 1345428588 344057 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but linux supported a mode where setuid programs could dump a core which was only readable by root
< 1345428623 192808 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :setuid: ruining unix since 1970
< 1345428630 617846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the setuid in that program?
< 1345428645 549135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like it just forks and kills its child with SEGV.
< 1345428833 869150 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1345428888 969603 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just that the cwd is not writeable by the user
< 1345428900 678781 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there is another variant of this which involves setuid
< 1345429065 295875 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Punching a giant big hole through a security scheme will do that.
< 1345429107 659745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure out how to get a program to dump core at all.
< 1345429229 346950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1345429237 582204 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ulimit -c unlimited will let processes dump core.
< 1345429271 208895 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most systems are configured so that core doesn't dump, cause otherwise you might get gigs of coredumps)
< 1345429313 341752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What if you allow sudo to run a process in /etc/sudoers? Will that be undumpable too?
< 1345429568 59421 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah think so
< 1345429573 134048 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will have euid != uid
< 1345429607 351750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo does that?
< 1345429613 608651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it ran processes as root proper.
< 1345429662 340086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, sudo(8) says so.
< 1345429675 213507 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which?
< 1345429694 922371 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it does set uid and euid
< 1345429695 623375 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then
< 1345429719 828858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean you can get it to coredump?
< 1345429739 392891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I get PR_DUMPABLE carries over across execs.
< 1345429746 716433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/et/uess/
< 1345429788 537007 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1345430201 617960 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did the Google favicon change?
< 1345430210 917538 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now sees Bleu celeste, a lowercase g argent.
< 1345430228 37896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: When I open a new Google tab, it shows me the old favicon until the page finishes loading.
< 1345430245 234626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I assume means it's still in my cache, which I assume means it's pretty recent.
< 1345430677 28715 :Wolfsbane!Wolfsbane@mou60-1-82-246-213-96.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345430968 216167 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1345430980 591954 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I could actually use a wax seal as a legal signature.
< 1345430983 575399 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome.
< 1345431008 531176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should do that.
< 1345431027 564659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates signaturizing.
< 1345431037 912077 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the US at least, it's a mark or act indicating identity and intent, so it does in fact suffice.
< 1345431120 759932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP really is pretty bad, I agree. At some time I will rewrite Icoruma in a compiled programming language (such as C or Haskell) because PHP is too slow.
< 1345431131 247837 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Or an email signature.
< 1345431145 62133 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh goodness, an email signature is an actual signature.
< 1345431175 208400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know they were an actual signature
< 1345431200 833806 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canadian law might be different, but it wouldn't surprise me.
< 1345431232 522640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, perhaps
< 1345431480 404234 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, Phantom__Hoover: there are no high-speed trains in .fi or in Hexham
< 1345431515 396764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: Do you have a /hilight on "train"?
< 1345431586 427548 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes of course
< 1345431628 707222 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: Everyone knows the Land of Six Pigs only hath pigs six.
< 1345431673 958555 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham has some other things than that
< 1345431686 628425 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing it has better low-speed trains than most places in america
< 1345431696 196132 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :finland has 220 km/hr trains
< 1345431698 19572 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"UIC (International Union of Railways) and EC Directive 96/58 define high-speed rail as systems of rolling stock and infrastructure which regularly operate at or above 250 km/h (155 mph) on new tracks, or 200 km/h (125 mph) on existing tracks."
< 1345431707 638778 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to get people anywhere, certainly.
< 1345431713 999482 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curiously, the US has decent freight rail.
< 1345431714 803789 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has the tyne which is kind of nice
< 1345431726 513341 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some bits of hadrian's wall nearby?
< 1345431742 224240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of km/h.
< 1345431752 841056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a fair number of mph, too.
< 1345431762 384497 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the passenger lines suck in no small part because the freight railroads are powerful and successful
< 1345431766 426067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think of speeds in mph instead of km/h. :-(
< 1345431768 980777 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the passenger trains have to run on their lines
< 1345431782 78673 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the freight trains preëmpt them.
< 1345431795 24247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are freighteningly successful.
< 1345431796 942530 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is regulatory capture of the railroad regulator by the freight railroads
< 1345431798 453086 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :preempting isn't the only problem
< 1345431801 639429 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: -_-
< 1345431804 24408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE POWERFUL AMTRAK LOBBY
< 1345431809 376353 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: No, but it does add to the suck.
< 1345431810 589799 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the regulations are written to keep freight costs down
< 1345431828 265379 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has the effect of making passenger rail costs much higher
< 1345431838 406038 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for example by requiring all passenger trains to be built like tanks)
< 1345431863 758322 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freight rail and passenger rail have *vastly* different demands, but legislation doesn't treat them that way. Bleh.
< 1345431883 130411 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there is to some degree a genuine conflict of interest
< 1345431917 967788 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in europe all the freight trains are connected to the electronic signalling systems that can automatically make them stop if they might collide with another train
< 1345431931 566231 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is extra equipment on all the freight trains
< 1345431937 624789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A train ticket from here to San Diego costs more than a plane ticket. :-(
< 1345431967 439499 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in america the freight railroads have to pinch every penny to compete with trucking as well as they do
< 1345431976 603080 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so resist having such equipment required
< 1345431997 132268 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means collisions are much more likely and regulations applied to passenger rail have to take that into account
< 1345432006 273594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you know that when you fly somewhere, there are planeclothes flight attendants all throughout the plane?
< 1345432010 953771 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though even in light of that a lot of the regulations are just dumb, and/or 1950s holdovers
< 1345432059 910557 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ?
< 1345432110 391967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just another pun.
< 1345432120 843168 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was afraid so
< 1345432500 395478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the problems of having a car is that you need to park it somewhere when you go to places. :-(
< 1345432560 446674 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1345432566 580836 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one of many reasons not to have a car
< 1345432592 814582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are indeed many reasons not to have one.
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< 1345432813 217778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure out what Drop Day is.
< 1345432825 986122 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at Caltech?
< 1345432829 25213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1345432834 501770 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want me to tell you?
< 1345432843 484325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1345432874 769335 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's the last day in the term when you can drop classes
< 1345432899 765122 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's also a party held by Dabney Hovse around the same time, in the winter term
< 1345432937 330573 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now you know
< 1345432950 330749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Success!
< 1345432980 404611 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :each house puts on one big party per year
< 1345432994 797658 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually involving a fair amount of construction, art, etc., and a fair number of people from outside the school show up
< 1345433057 172891 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the houses used to do them all on the same day, but the resulting party got kinda too big and infamous
< 1345433087 4509 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many random outsiders showed up, i think somebody got stabbed in the late 80's
< 1345433098 41831 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so they shut it down and now each house does their own thing
< 1345433111 733223 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though there have been periodic attempts to bring back the old simultaneous party as well)
< 1345433294 180180 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1345433319 845819 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345433413 151856 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you want to know?
< 1345433443 335019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard of a certain type of illicit activity taking place there.
< 1345433471 981871 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you hear this from me?
< 1345433494 736394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I probably shouldn't talk about it in a public channel.
< 1345433505 185651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what they call "srs bzsn", I believe.
< 1345433510 101733 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1345433514 36251 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all right then
< 1345433517 432037 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your discretion is appreciated
< 1345433535 642060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they only call it that if they can't spell.
< 1345433545 648932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or can't misspell, in my case.
< 1345433561 301148 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-183.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1345433620 921688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I just find it amusing.
< 1345433637 190930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine many illicit activities take place at Drop Day.
< 1345433730 658456 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only one of these parties where alcohol is not served
< 1345433841 488848 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1345434401 5244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a sign "zawa zawa" that I was wearing at anime convention
< 1345434420 386305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I see someone wearing a sign "zawa zawa" I'll assume it's you.
< 1345434449 855909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I am not wearing it right now; I was just wearing at anime convention. Also, it is written using hiragana.
< 1345434468 286834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ざわ　ざわ
< 1345434482 473072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good at reading Hiragana. :-(
< 1345434745 342864 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 練習？
< 1345434760 554203 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why "ざわざわ"?
< 1345434793 801154 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems psuedoönomatopoeiaish.
< 1345435021 894279 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's actual onomatopoeia, not psuedoönomatopoeia.
< 1345435078 846344 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatsit mean
< 1345435116 802325 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noise, like from a bunch of people talking.
< 1345435127 770138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOuldn't onomatopoeia be written with katakana?
< 1345435142 983571 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rutabaga rutabaga
< 1345435145 258433 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Some are, some aren't.
< 1345435152 825394 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no consistent rule on that.
< 1345435160 117630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :るたばが
< 1345435168 212282 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a good reason to have two different alphabets, anyway?
< 1345435202 909354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :English has two different alphabets which it uses in an even weirder way than Japanese.
< 1345435223 428071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. you take a letter from one alphabet if it's at the beginning of a sentence.
< 1345435246 816396 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not *especially*; it's there largely for hysterical reasons.
< 1345435264 248075 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Though the existence of two different syllabaries does make it somewhat easier to tokenize.
< 1345435275 836172 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Japanese doesn't use spaces)
< 1345435325 567231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This person has been asking #haskell the same question for the last 6 hours.
< 1345435342 606985 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The use of kanji and kana also makes tokenization a bit easier.
< 1345435350 831297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is sound effect. And yes I know, sound effect generally written by katakana, in this case it is hiragana as Fukumoto has written. There is also ... after it like they have written too
< 1345435369 463165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What question? Write answer if you know what answer.
< 1345435380 293157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is (Writer T)
< 1345435407 939913 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Then please write answer for them
< 1345435408 545152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to be confused with (WriterT)
< 1345435417 103255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, should not confuse please
< 1345435421 456838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ddarius did, several times.
< 1345435423 873897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So have other people.
< 1345435554 73672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose some people do, since it might confuse sometimes, it seems like something that can be confused
< 1345435673 466548 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345436147 233880 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-131-121.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345436427 76598 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, Duck Tales is My Little Penguin.
< 1345437345 579126 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345437764 794772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:40 <Okasu> Cale: just intersept method missing event, match regexp and create apropriate method using simple pattern
< 1345437958 973329 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-131-121.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1345438296 640997 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> def method_missing(*args) args.join(" ") end; foo bar baz? quux!
< 1345438299 314691 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : => "foo bar baz? quux!" 
< 1345438345 294034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's four calls to method_missing, of course.
< 1345438359 308013 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally
< 1345438386 297735 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intercepted four events.
< 1345438981 553791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345441040 570149 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, is Cale asking for Ruby help?
< 1345441364 453225 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:40 < Sgeo> #/etc/passwd is a valid channel name // actually I'm on channel #!/bin/mksh right now
< 1345441478 771473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No.
< 1345441485 332084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Okasu was asking for Haskell help.
< 1345441492 585399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1345442065 137949 :Wolfsbane!Wolfsbane@mou60-1-82-246-213-96.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1345442515 606859 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-146-231.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345442517 24074 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-183.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1345443210 343301 :impomatic!~digital_w@12.232.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345444206 13068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was on a #!/usr/bin/ff for a long time.
< 1345445086 973344 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s ff?
< 1345445112 358300 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :255
< 1345445143 774889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: A Befunge(-93) interp I wrote.
< 1345445151 151288 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: I think you mean 270
< 1345445158 112001 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok
< 1345445160 84352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was a two-person channel.)
< 1345445202 619817 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, I assume that's another base but not sure which one. At a guess, octal?
< 1345445212 617266 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :17
< 1345445238 409593 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... uh... what?
< 1345445239 265308 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octal doesn’t have “f”.
< 1345445281 346660 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you interpreted ff as base 17, not that you wrote "270" in a base other than decimal
< 1345445299 956439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 0xff would be 0377, of course.
< 1345445335 264337 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a stupid convention to indicate octal with
< 1345445351 342475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be that as it may, it's still a convention.
< 1345445371 175634 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :377₈
< 1345445413 8079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the language where you can insert commas into numbers and it means nothing except makes large numbers readable?
< 1345445455 337426 :ion!ion@heh.fi TOPIC #esoteric :Behold! The enchanting pants of Narcissus! | Why is Narcissus panting? | Just a remote control and some old gum | atriq is Taneb, just so you know | With creativity, anything can be a topic | except this | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1345445471 994604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl lets you insert _s.
< 1345445514 766380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print 1_000_000;
< 1345445515 530501 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000000
< 1345445568 517492 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print 1_0
< 1345445568 764218 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :10
< 1345445579 609815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also in Java 7 and later, incidentally.
< 1345445596 760118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print 0xffff_ffff
< 1345445597 492625 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :4294967295
< 1345445613 71210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't enforce any sort of specific grouping.
< 1345445626 129984 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's implementable in CL via reader macros?
< 1345445627 616028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print 1_____2
< 1345445628 344734 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :12
< 1345445650 657118 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth!
< 1345445875 885998 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP doesn't offer a concrete reason for 3-digit grouping 
< 1345445955 992197 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aside from "Making groups of three digits also emphasizes that there is a base 1000 of the numeral system that is being used"
< 1345446213 707509 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess it sort of strikes a balance between groups too large to easily verify that the groups are the correct size, and groups too small that means there are too many groups to easily count
< 1345446234 830322 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4-digit groupings might work out, I guess
< 1345446288 240147 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[..] in various countries (e.g., China, India, and Japan), there have been traditional conventions of grouping by 2 or 4 digits. These conventions are still observed in some contexts, although the 3-digit group convention is also well known and often used." 
< 1345446318 966789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People group hex digits in groups of 4 for the obvious reasons.
< 1345447220 911117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the underscore thing seems quite common. Apparently in addition to Perl and Java >=7, also at least Ada, D, OCaml, Ruby do it.
< 1345447233 232321 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese has words for 10000 and 100 million
< 1345447255 801998 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyaku comes to mind
< 1345447258 232068 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345447261 535948 :nooga!~nooga@ip-93-154-167-46.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345447262 468294 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasm also does it, I suppose a bunch of other assemblers might too
< 1345447276 862005 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1345447278 312787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: English also has a word for 10000.
< 1345447282 168001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn myriad
< 1345447283 92792 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: that's 100 (they also have a word for that!)
< 1345447283 510835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "myriad" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1345447283 721156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myriad
< 1345447283 867534 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    adj 1: too numerous to be counted; "incalculable riches";
< 1345447283 867713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           "countless hours"; "an infinite number of reasons";
< 1345447283 867860 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           "innumerable difficulties"; "the multitudinous seas";
< 1345447285 549666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[7 @more lines]
< 1345447291 602693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it'd be the sense 2 of that.
< 1345447297 972415 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
< 1345447298 341194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           "myriad stars"; "untold thousands" [syn: {countless},
< 1345447298 487545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           {infinite}, {innumerable}, {innumerous}, {multitudinous},
< 1345447298 487718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           {myriad}, {numberless}, {uncounted}, {unnumberable},
< 1345447298 487865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           {unnumbered}, {unnumerable}]
< 1345447298 487974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: a large indefinite number; "he faced a myriad of details"
< 1345447300 424759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    2: the cardinal number that is the product of ten and one
< 1345447302 612958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :       thousand [syn: {ten thousand}, {10000}, {myriad}]
< 1345447343 96706 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the cardinal number that is the product of ten and one" :> if only the last line of that had been dropped for some reason
< 1345447393 473100 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is that japanese use their 10000-word where possible and prefer it over combinations of thousand
< 1345447400 637327 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345447407 227926 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1345447484 621016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have a word for 10000 at all. :/
< 1345447524 607070 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense for the groupings to match with what words you have for the respective numbers.
< 1345447571 6439 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it looks like the word myriad means 10000
< 1345447594 752387 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- stating what has just been said :-s
< 1345447631 212133 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there is also a word for 1000, it's just not the significant one
< 1345447670 966039 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one ten hundred thousand myriad skip a step million
< 1345447732 576118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knuth has apparently suggested a system with 10^4, 10^8, 10^16, 10^32 etc. units (i.e. doubling every time); so that 10^4 = myriad, 10^8 = myllion, 10^16 = byllion, 10^32 = tryllion and so on.
< 1345447839 508440 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a mwnt mwnts are a rhiallu, a rhiallu rhiallus are a buna"
< 1345447876 650166 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the looks of this
< 1345447903 766845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thai apparently has a word for 100000 too, แสน.
< 1345447923 22692 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one result for that sentence comes from magickoccult.com
< 1345447938 588004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds on-topic for once.
< 1345447947 505768 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese does 10^8 as well (oku), don't know if/how they count higher than that
< 1345448093 301396 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that this topic leads directly to the other esoteric makes me think i have gone too far
< 1345448116 950400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was mentioned before, but the "This is an incomplete list" template at the start of Wikipedia's "List of numbers" article still makes for a smile.
< 1345448129 594656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some day they'll complete it.
< 1345448182 18781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345448390 54920 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one will get mad if my first substantiative blog post is about something other than what I said it would be about, right?
< 1345448463 878054 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will get furious.
< 1345448511 810230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fast and furious.
< 1345448560 990366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we will probably ban you.  (0 < p < 1)
< 1345448577 786641 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the usual way to indicate code in blogspot?
< 1345448610 971996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the manual.  they _have_ a manual, i hope.
< 1345449269 385673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to use <pre> and hope for the best
< 1345449358 239286 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1345449382 888495 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1345450426 704936 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345450838 881239 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I kept the code I used to check for myself that what some blogger said was wrong
< 1345451450 964118 :impomatic!~digital_w@12.232.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: <pre> works for me.  I haven't found anything built in.  You probably need to convert < and > in your code to HTML entities.  Alternatively your editor might have an export to HTML feature...
< 1345451496 505171 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This comment by someone else summarized what my post will be about: "And now that I've actually read what that cl:let* is used for, it's not needed all. The body of DEFMACRO is read at read time, so the LET* it uses will be CL:LET*, if the macro is later expanded in a package which has a different LET*, the macro-expnsion still will have CL:LET*, since there's no reading invovled during macroexpansion."
< 1345452181 421920 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345452535 214239 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1345452872 84629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345453410 219581 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345453698 470959 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be happy if Smalltalk method names were namespaced.
< 1345453702 816978 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I said that before?
< 1345453728 353681 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B546.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345453989 214615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, the secret to happiness!
< 1345454160 323997 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in a love/hate relationship with the idea of continuation-based web programming.
< 1345454264 653292 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by PO
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< 1345454300 687130 :impomatic!~digital_w@12.232.125.91.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric
< 1345454564 967417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomfoolion
< 1345454570 628380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always fooling the toms.
< 1345454740 426510 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ton
< 1345455539 758640 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"buffoon, clown," 1640s, from Middle English Thom Foole, personification of a mentally deficient man (mid-14th century), see Tom + fool
< 1345455669 840668 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name Tom (short for Thomas), was "often a generic name for any male representative of the common people" (OED), so any fool walking down the street was labeled a Tom fool. We still use Tom to refer to a random man in the phrase "Tom, Dick, and Harry."
< 1345455679 394069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: What's itidus21?
< 1345455696 306072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I meant male cat.
< 1345455700 851288 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think elliott programmed it in sh.
< 1345455813 156455 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I know, and that was an answer.
< 1345456518 960781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders a macroapply macro
< 1345456536 614858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should come up with the inverse of a macro.
< 1345456555 772334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where you write code and it generates a function that generates that code.
< 1345456555 933397 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, being unable to pass environments to eval makes it ... not really a doable thing
< 1345456558 759324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call it a micro.
< 1345456595 24022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, either I'm misunderstanding or you're asking me to make ... a quine? Or a quine generator?
< 1345456609 23530 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think I see
< 1345456615 16670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what I'm asking.
< 1345456620 225619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to make a pun, man. :-(
< 1345456647 990824 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puns are how all great ideas start!
< 1345456684 685173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, once your idea is completely deciphered, it will revolutionize computing
< 1345456695 75339 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the creator doesn't understand it.
< 1345456719 496969 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I may be going too far. 
< 1345456721 494523 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shuts up
< 1345457691 772590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1345457762 550515 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-146-231.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1345457966 89353 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :thecode -> print "thecode"
< 1345459300 40239 :kidanger!~kidanger@240.141.91.79.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345461298 607246 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Sgeo> shachaf, either I'm misunderstanding or you're asking me to make ... a quine? Or a quine generator?
< 1345461307 610431 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's asking for a 2-state quine.
< 1345461311 424947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not asking you to make anything, Phantom_Hoover.
< 1345461315 292576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Sgeo.
< 1345461318 322908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whichever one.
< 1345461539 320746 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's little real difference.
< 1345462126 764598 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of imaginary difference though.
< 1345462137 530955 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rather complex.
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< 1345467959 50 :Wolfsbane!Wolfsbane@mou60-1-82-246-213-96.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric
< 1345468584 735651 :nooga!~nooga@ip-93-154-167-46.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1345469151 253707 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
< 1345469162 503629 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1345469166 31217 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1345469366 586908 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345469445 965752 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the preceding comments.
< 1345469791 7941 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi #esoteric
< 1345469881 720837 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ｈａｉ
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< 1345470441 981068 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads Sarah Palin vs. the Moon Nazis
< 1345470454 174960 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That film was funneh.
< 1345470469 45329 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that better or worse than "funny"?
< 1345470492 774412 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked it.
< 1345470505 729913 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would watch again.
< 1345470784 597962 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: didn't that have a different name?
< 1345471085 786504 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders what & means in a Perl argument list
< 1345471133 95920 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345471320 341164 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the film is actually called _Iron Sky_
< 1345471364 62058 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a way to make new syntax in Perl, apparently
< 1345471368 874373 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I jealous just yet?
< 1345471406 177925 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it seems to be a Tcl-esque-except-not-quite way of doing things
< 1345471426 547326 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This breaks the lexical. (Note: I don't know if it actually breaks lexical anything)
< 1345471751 467080 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1345471866 330707 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1345472508 157546 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :proc don't (&) {}
< 1345472509 522997 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1345472534 335907 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1345472552 69910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sad-crab-this-kills-the-crab
< 1345472557 978217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Acme-Don-t-1.01/t.pm
< 1345472567 101860 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's sub don't (&) {}
< 1345472664 944003 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't you call that the parameter list rather than the argument list?
< 1345472672 541792 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i didn't know perl even has a parameter list, i'm clearly behind the times
< 1345472683 256035 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's a parameter list
< 1345472696 850401 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the docs I found called it a prototype list?
< 1345472700 503291 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1345472745 482331 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://perldoc.perl.org/perlsub.html#Prototypes
< 1345472751 594252 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The interesting thing about & is that you can generate new syntax with it, provided it's in the initial position:
< 1345472751 740462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1345472806 805781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1345472962 701847 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sort of
< 1345472987 149679 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just lets you use a lambda as an argument without the "sub" keyword
< 1345472989 912256 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of blocks in ruby
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< 1345475413 844894 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really "new syntax"
< 1345475557 232591 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And *some* languages have so lightweight lambda syntax they don’t need any special syntax for passing a single lambda argument. :-)
< 1345475623 33026 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, like C#
< 1345475693 912854 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly
< 1345475714 550678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1345479889 642331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like The Internationale music? I try to make a rearrangement for NES/Famicom, based on someone else's arrangement
< 1345480377 25781 :impomatic!~digital_w@12.232.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345480546 637348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I use channels ABGHIJKLMNa but I want to add channels CD as well.
< 1345480752 716584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ABMNa = square, C = triangle, D = noise, GHIJKL = FM synth)
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< 1345483090 7468 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-68.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345483642 362678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good to write a percussion are you a percussionist would you know to help such things?
< 1345483897 763966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What key do you think The Internationale should be played in?
< 1345484133 987668 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c sharp
< 1345484166 644303 :jlaire!~jlaire@80-248-244-51.cust.suomicom.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :f shaaaaaaaaaarp
< 1345484182 19815 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to quote kmc
< 1345484189 271212 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kmc> yeah, like C#
< 1345484224 144003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that out of context?
< 1345484236 725738 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's within the context of #esoteric
< 1345484264 870933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, is the quotation out of context of my question?
< 1345484267 877982 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically though it's way out of context
< 1345484388 295357 :jlaire!~jlaire@80-248-244-51.cust.suomicom.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my quote was even more so
< 1345484404 738419 :jlaire!~jlaire@80-248-244-51.cust.suomicom.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION np. Tim Minchin - F Sharp
< 1345484514 247460 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trolling to the tune of F# - Jon D. Harrop
< 1345484545 57068 :jlaire!~jlaire@80-248-244-51.cust.suomicom.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost as good
< 1345484590 471486 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PART :#esoteric
< 1345486871 350174 :impomatic!~digital_w@12.232.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: impomatic
< 1345487387 20026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to add channel C and D to this arrangement of Internationale but I am not a very good percussionist. I could add C by myself but needs help for D channel noise.
< 1345487413 135297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even add O (saw) channel!
< 1345487521 369676 :nooga!~nooga@ip-78-30-93-30.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345488334 142742 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti
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< 1345489218 201968 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the Internationale
< 1345489222 138549 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i frequently find myself humming it
< 1345489247 88766 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? internationale
< 1345489257 408109 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have been reported to the House Un-American Activities Committee
< 1345489258 940670 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1345489315 934260 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMMUNISTS!
< 1345489330 256921 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. socialist
< 1345489356 887410 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly what a commie bastard would say
< 1345489367 795966 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1345489375 105132 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :             -. .
< 1345489375 251396 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :        _____   ',',
< 1345489375 251569 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ,'     ,'   ', ',
< 1345489375 251675 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ,'     ,'      |  |
< 1345489375 251817 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :   \       \       |  |
< 1345489377 606035 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :     \ /^\   \    ,' ,'
< 1345489380 123245 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :           \   \ ,' ,'
< 1345489382 649341 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :     / ~-.___\.-'  ,'
< 1345489385 113642 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :   /   .______.- ~ \
< 1345489387 638400 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : /   /'          \   \
< 1345489390 121378 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \./               \/'
< 1345489392 650453 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D
< 1345489444 847326 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fouund this one in HackEgo's fortune database
< 1345489482 997600 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1345489488 46142 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :☭
< 1345489500 141365 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is bigger
< 1345489505 761658 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1345489507 451380 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :⊤
< 1345489576 656128 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that. fbcon doesn't show that one
< 1345489581 385006 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*?
< 1345489653 879013 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345489660 319891 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that drinking song I was thinking about was to the melody of the internationale after all, but some part in the middle of it
< 1345489668 469815 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345489670 371875 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'DOWN TACK' (U+22A4)
< 1345489675 71976 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1345489681 248235 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :used in mathematics for "true" or for the top of a lattice
< 1345489695 367497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added that ASCII art to my own fortune database now
< 1345489750 753310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using only the music for The Internationale, not the lyrics; I prefer instrumental music that is why.
< 1345489787 780901 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have that constatly show at the top of tty4 which shows info about my system like who is using it, free memory amount, disk space usage and uptime
< 1345489833 253967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what I have so far:   http://sprunge.us/GCKd   I intend to add C channel, and possibly other channels such as D or O or b channel, or others
< 1345489852 179847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: What is?
< 1345489867 964608 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that ascii art
< 1345489878 589551 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
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< 1345489881 30295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: OK.
< 1345490105 702462 :impomatic!~digital_w@12.232.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1345490352 9191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a lot of channels in the thing.
< 1345490392 416420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Say something relevant about the SID, please.
< 1345490393 169075 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the values shown.
< 1345490403 106500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What?
< 1345490404 329098 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cb13cb12cb11 d7 d6 d5 d4 d3 d2 d1 d0 rc2 rc1 rc0 data. this assures tod will always cause any character you want to see how it's set in order to use the and function lets you check if the answer is yes then that number must be specified in the
< 1345490480 686900 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: SID SID SID
< 1345490481 598497 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: load"fun",8 ( load a file on disk), you must poke 648 with the next numbers in the kernal for machine language routine that sets the tape.
< 1345490490 678415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Lot of channels? Yes it uses three expansions, and eleven channels in total. And now I will add triangle channel as well.
< 1345490542 998560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPMCK supports 28 channels in total but I know of no music using all 28 channels.
< 1345490562 941952 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^styles
< 1345490570 884103 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1345490571 738302 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64* ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1345490583 787344 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is wp wikipedia?
< 1345490601 898935 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there no "all" style?
< 1345490632 780386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you add it support a "all" style?
< 1345490686 263919 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be neat if it actually worked to mention SID and get a SID-related response
< 1345490743 103228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not easily, if you mean an "automatic" all style. It'd be easiest just to make a combined model.
< 1345490773 857702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do mean an automatic all style, whether or not that is what olsner means.
< 1345490806 201025 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatically making that combined model sounds easier than having someone manually regenerate the all style after changing any of the other styles
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< 1345490830 52613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Not if you have to implement the former in Funge-98.
< 1345490876 545087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be possible, of course. Just not terribly easy. It doesn't actually "load" the models anywhere, just does a lot of seeking and small reads.
< 1345491087 61109 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose Funge-98 might make it unnecessarily difficult
< 1345491213 253129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the combined model, it'd at least have to load the current "node" from all open models, in order to sum the counts.
< 1345491233 432929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it doesn't do that at the moment even for the single model.
< 1345491308 286753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just reads the (stored in the file) sum of all counts, generates a random number < that, and then keeps reading and stops when it hit whatever it hit.
< 1345491396 585713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a binary search on the list of children to walk down the tree, that's also done by a seek-read-etc. kind of way.
< 1345491858 778510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then make a program which will make up the combined model automatically, and run that program whenever you update the other files.
< 1345491888 361372 :AriesAsrael!~AriesAsra@104.Red-83-52-236.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
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< 1345491932 228461 :AriesAsrael!~AriesAsra@104.Red-83-52-236.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone looking for a tarot reading?
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< 1345491952 64934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AriesAsrael: I don't know others but I am not looking for a tarot reading.
< 1345491965 864109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AriesAsrael: I am, however, looking to buy some tarot cards to play a game.
< 1345492987 843913 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fungot doesn't actually look at what is being said to it at all, is it? Just that something is being said
< 1345492988 325520 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: these special sprite abilities make it play arcade-style action games. you would use the listen routine is directed through this alternate vector, the
< 1345493001 854770 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignoring of course the other functionality
< 1345493658 36097 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1345493658 756755 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this same area is larger than 4k bytes, that line is high for basic operation. if you have selected a bank, by using subroutines rather than repeating the same location as the 65xx and similar microprocessor families. sid can process external audio signals to be text, more hollow. that's why the disk drive and 1525 printer is to define variables is lost to the disk)
< 1345493671 997892 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style jargon
< 1345493672 372947 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: jargon (UNIX-HATERS mailing list archive)
< 1345493674 770114 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1345493675 608948 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, actually, kronos didn't have any such inclination, you useless twerps. if tla press the wrong place at the latest constructive contribution: by august 24th, 1993
< 1345493676 707937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Right.
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< 1345493755 852345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sid can process external audio signals to be text, more hollow."
< 1345493852 251021 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: more jargon
< 1345493853 214059 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: flame on to bsd. so i dropped in on a wart.") but then, of
< 1345493895 573952 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1345493924 488893 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does fungot decide how much to output?
< 1345493925 641691 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: isn't there some pending federal law against colorizing things that were down or otherwise fail operate correctly." but stopped myself just to see a serious critique of unix: celibacy. what brain-damage! you would like proofreaders, i'm not
< 1345493945 256897 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :celibacy. what brain-damage!
< 1345494019 55198 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot. what brain-damage!
< 1345494019 930118 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: perhaps opensystems is a test. from sh type ' term=termtype;export term'.
< 1345494202 954476 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow markov bots are less amusing when you can't hold a conversation with them and they don't learn from input
< 1345494237 713859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, but you can always hold a conversation; it might just be a bit nonsensical conversation.
< 1345494299 572821 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit like speaking to yourself, but with more FUNgot
< 1345494300 657187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Why don't you ever learn? 
< 1345494301 944984 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: except that i'm just getting silly! it's fried potatoes. jamie zawinski
< 1345494319 223142 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fungot
< 1345494320 331470 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: and who'd even like to have a visit there sometime.
< 1345494406 47559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of using the input phrase as the initial context, but it doesn't currently know how to tokenize text, just the other way around.
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< 1345494776 373470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:31:37: <zzo38> What key do you think The Internationale should be played in?
< 1345494779 766047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:35:33: <itidus21> c sharp
< 1345494781 148029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody sharp
< 1345494783 818331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:36:06: <jlaire> f shaaaaaaaaaarp
< 1345494816 224218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sea shark.
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< 1345495057 948739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, argh new housemates
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< 1345495140 194448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AriesAsrael> anyone looking for a tarot reading?
< 1345495143 833486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing triangle channel music but I need the help with percussion channel please. If you know the music "Internationale" then maybe you can know how to make percussion as well? In this case it is the 2A03 noise channel, meaning you can select a pitch of a white noise.
< 1345495146 274866 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, tokenizing isn't that hard to do
< 1345495146 420949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome AriesAsrael 
< 1345495151 821328 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AriesAsrael: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1345495159 995267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you might want that last one
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< 1345495224 674291 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh... he/she/it left before I could show him/her/it my bot's divinatory functions...
< 1345495250 665416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your bot has divinatory functions?
< 1345495274 561431 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it predict?
< 1345495274 806497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you are pretty oracular right?
< 1345495275 946993 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( loop next ( ( line in-port port read-line) ( lines collecting line)))
< 1345495287 433374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1345495288 216114 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1345495296 532090 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for now, it has ~dice and ~yi, notably.
< 1345495299 99133 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style sms
< 1345495299 616983 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: sms (National University of Singapore SMS corpus, 2011-08-20)
< 1345495307 81949 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot:
< 1345495308 4886 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: now i say lo miss eu.dipx dipx where got always bluff me say u sleeping by that team not.lol. on my way back from location by lidat.
< 1345495319 997465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't have card dealing?
< 1345495341 232091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yi as in yi jing?
< 1345495347 730072 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~yi
< 1345495347 906971 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your divination: "Great Possessing" to "Great Possessing"
< 1345495353 935491 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1345495364 106425 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should use the unicode yi ching characters
< 1345495393 154823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add card dealing from standard (French) deck, tarot deck, Fanucci deck, Italo-Spanish deck, etc.
< 1345495395 955534 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: good idea. expect to see them tomorrow or wednesday.
< 1345495425 817150 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: very good idea, with mahjong hands and dominoes.
< 1345495461 930488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes, also mahjong and domino.
< 1345495520 223280 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For standard deck, indicate if single or double and if it has jokers or not. For mahjong, specify which variant (Japanese, Japanese with red fives, Chinese, American, etc).
< 1345495609 58392 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1345495659 193946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could program FurryScript to deal cards; currently although it can check for duplicates it is not really ideal for dealing cards but I could add a card dealing function to this program.
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< 1345495847 338542 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invent a programming language which consists of entering base 63 numbers
< 1345495853 653702 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it has 63 functions
< 1345495858 661122 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, today the amount of money I've spent on cosplay MULTIPLIED BY NINE
< 1345495860 202525 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of which is quote
< 1345495879 386596 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quote function allows you to enter literal numbers/quoted code
< 1345495888 52170 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And allow code modification
< 1345495910 452131 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even a macro system
< 1345495915 614786 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And make it RPN
< 1345495947 367726 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: same here actually, for any value of nine
< 1345495989 164233 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :An example program would be Kqy6ZdSGWBpafaMRSozWqWn5
< 1345496037 494636 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and if you want to do functions, you can do it by redefining one of the symbols
< 1345496053 14352 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can have the system function K be replaced by custom function K
< 1345496067 492057 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halfway through the program
< 1345496177 162336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is particularly ironic if it's SKI K
< 1345496230 120780 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like rain on your wedding day
< 1345496234 902403 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is no symbol which isn't redefinable
< 1345496384 983023 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1345496563 293779 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, from 50p to �4.50
< 1345496639 426922 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm disappointed that i can't type $ as Compose | S
< 1345496645 120955 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: wow, mr moneypants
< 1345496664 773413 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 50p was a roll of sticky tape
< 1345496681 569130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can you add it to a compose file?
< 1345496682 976998 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, add it to the definitions
< 1345496686 7924 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sticky tape? is there unsticky tape?
< 1345496686 437800 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And push the change upstream
< 1345496693 855161 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Possibly
< 1345496703 251788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tejp is always sticky
< 1345496710 523780 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there is tape that only sticks to itself, and nothing else
< 1345496716 635670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Do you mean "same here actually, for any value of nine" that you have not spend any money on cosplay?
< 1345496724 648864 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: indeed
< 1345496762 860490 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-35.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, there is definitely non-sticky tape. For instance, magnetic tape
< 1345496810 757824 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: bondage tape
< 1345496830 568533 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also apparently veterinary tape is the same thing but cheaper
< 1345496853 77441 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I forget those are also tape in english, non-sticky tape has a different word here
< 1345496864 794223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machines don't use sticky tape, it messes up things horribly
< 1345497411 628281 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should make the halting problem a bit more tractable
< 1345497535 679966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but "they all halt" isn't that interesting
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< 1345505990 948442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Does mosh not support roaming the server? :-(
< 1345506105 79320 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1345506120 114264 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a vaguely desired feature
< 1345506134 491031 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, i want to be able to use mosh behind my home NAT without the packets going outbound to the NAT router first
< 1345506166 398868 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't support simultaneous client and server roaming without a third party of some kind
< 1345506179 7141 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you suspend your laptop, and then your home IP changes before you resume on another connection
< 1345506184 480950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1345506190 709543 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we've also talked about re-resolving the DNS name in such situations
< 1345506198 694370 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could also solve the inside/outside-NAT case
< 1345506228 833205 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also an interesting DoS attack available if you support unrestricted roaming on both ends
< 1345506253 614505 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is simply, if i capture a legit packet sent by the server, and re-send it from my IP, i can make you reply to my IP instead of the real server
< 1345506300 46210 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can do that to the server at the same time
< 1345506310 957089 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i have killed your connection permanently
< 1345506887 691553 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i found five dollars
< 1345506903 957623 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you doing the Stripe web CTF?
< 1345506910 416799 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts Wednesday at noon PDT, i think
< 1345506960 6880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably.
< 1345506970 933353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, being awake an noon PDT is a challenging prospect.