< 1344816766 184410 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Quick question: should I switch to aptosid, and if so how best to do so? < 1344816775 678128 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, just edit sources.list and dist-upgrade? < 1344816790 673400 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never tried a switch-over to aptosid, but I can't imagine why it wouldn't work. < 1344816806 71134 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And should I? < 1344816819 725154 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it. What are you switching from? < 1344816830 309780 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian Testing. < 1344816888 518210 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'd switch. I've been using Aptosid more-or-less hassle free since before it was Aptosid *shrugs* < 1344817059 417479 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mutters
< 1344817060 886315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they use the longitude/latitude numbers on Mars, to figure out how to land on Mars? I think they have defined where is zero longitude on Mars by now. < 1344817076 57458 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit Aptosid people, tell me what your sources.list magic is! < 1344817145 141905 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to do unconventional things here! < 1344817162 283059 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ... < 1344817166 973617 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Dude, Download/Mirrors on the left. < 1344817182 343996 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shows them all in terms of the exact lines to add to sources.list < 1344817401 303814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to cross-platform check for file exist and file size in a C code? < 1344817571 143660 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Need to get 623MB of archives." Wheeee! < 1344817648 453295 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I know with POSIX you're guaranteed to be able to do it, but I don't know if you can if one of your platforms isn't POSIX < 1344817767 862378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: This program ought to work on Windows and on UNIX (including Linux). This program also uses SDL, in case that matters at all. < 1344818076 127139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On Windows, it can be using MinGW and Cygwin, although Cygwin is also UNIX anyways.) < 1344818300 541490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is document to explain which of these functions work in what system (MinGW, Cygwin, Linux, etc)? < 1344818584 670786 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Did I do this wrong, or is the latest version of Iceweasel in aptosid version 10? < 1344818629 509037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can stat() be used in MinGW and Cygwin and Linux and FreeBSD? < 1344819492 167977 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1344819955 725264 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344820151 275186 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-130.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1344820218 627784 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, new kernel. < 1344820221 417486 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1344820581 579523 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344820783 182683 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those jerks! < 1344820793 855979 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aptosid doesn't enable zram! < 1344820987 979480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now with the nonsense words again < 1344821031 109298 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aptosid is a Debian variant, zram is a compressed RAM disk for use as swap. < 1344821065 383847 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back to having a swap partition. :( < 1344821067 573507 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344821067 865692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my comment was really about how they sounded like nonsense :P < 1344821100 504719 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least now I have a kernel sans retarded-broken writeback. < 1344821184 439503 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1344821187 467577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me about this i saw linked in a reddit comment http://www.laurenipsum.org/mostly-lost < 1344821313 665910 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE892CF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344821847 454552 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*And* they didn't enable codel! < 1344821858 676366 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These people don't know how to configure a damned kernel. < 1344822282 841966 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: stat() should work with Cygwin, Linux and FreeBSD fine. Not sure about MinGW < 1344822315 110039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I tried it just now with MinGW and it seems to be working OK. < 1344822747 997932 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Aptosid doesn't have its own Iceweasel; it doesn't have most packages, just fixes. The latest version is whatever's in Debian sid (assuming you correctly switched testing->sid too) < 1344825216 121842 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I did. < 1344825231 286899 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I was under the impression it might have upgraded some silly-old packages still. < 1344825296 836961 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ah, whatever, I don't use it as my primary browser anyways. < 1344825299 812795 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty hands-off. < 1344825316 425084 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gives self points for not typing “hooves-off”* < 1344825713 943005 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees someone on the internet arguing that Modern Warfare 3 is morally abhorrent because the button you press to kill a sleeping guard is the one most games use for miscellaneous interactions like flipping switches.
< 1344825739 573752 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even mock it properly. < 1344826018 766581 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1344826279 832690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes the following reddit title "So excited for the showers tonight! :D (First picture I've ever taken)."
< 1344826333 124775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :links to this http://imgur.com/lYxEr < 1344826561 343990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's understandable that they had to disable the downvote button in that subreddit. < 1344826732 950615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it pretty hooves-off too or only hands-off? < 1344826788 485164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1344826868 245726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has nothing to do with ponies, anyhow < 1344830566 327097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gah headache < 1344831670 774265 :amberdawn!~amberdawn@c-76-120-192-206.hsd1.va.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344831686 149527 :amberdawn!~amberdawn@c-76-120-192-206.hsd1.va.comcast.net NICK :Zelinc < 1344831763 936664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the best C code to convert the NES/Famicom attribute table address to the address of the tile which it affects? < 1344831846 691481 :Zelinc!~amberdawn@c-76-120-192-206.hsd1.va.comcast.net NICK :amberdawn < 1344831848 783731 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(){*NULL;} < 1344831856 7343 :amberdawn!~amberdawn@c-76-120-192-206.hsd1.va.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1344831922 891518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is stupid why must the bit select operation be only for INTERCAL? < 1344831976 641858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also bit unselect operation which not even INTERCAL includes. < 1344832030 752942 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, bit select seems like a generally useful operator. < 1344832064 788176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I agree. < 1344832084 39963 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's slightly weird I guess, but that's actually something I could see myself using in real code. < 1344832101 412147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I would use it too. < 1344832177 923028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sometimes the reverse operation can be useful too < 1344832258 421175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :While writing Famitile I already found at least three uses of this bit select operator and its reverse. < 1344832449 123629 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does bit select do again? < 1344832508 9786 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: n `select` mask is *kinda* like n | mask, except instead of the 0 bits in the mask being 0 in the result they are non-existent. < 1344832527 229965 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, 101 `select` 100 = 1, instead of 100. < 1344832540 8045 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's like an and and a right shift < 1344832557 911670 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except more < 1344832588 424057 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So would 1101 `select` 1011 be 101 < 1344832613 504404 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1344832620 308961 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1344832628 134225 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What could be used here is the reverse bit select of 0x1DC, I think. < 1344832634 981541 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't be too hard to code < 1344832672 134372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: INTERCAL has that operation built-in. Other programming languages don't have that, and I know of no machine code having such instruction either. < 1344832673 590043 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really wish C had native rotate and reverse bits < 1344832716 654944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yes it can be useful to do so. < 1344832718 683441 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ARM has an instruction that takes an offset and number of bytes to extract, but that would only work for a continuous group of bytes < 1344832724 134624 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bytes/bits/ < 1344832726 534386 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brain sleepty < 1344833086 231944 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :UBFX and SBFX < 1344833091 825475 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :U is unsigned, S is signed < 1344833106 174314 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :BFX is bit field extract < 1344833148 739177 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also bit field insert < 1344833211 705803 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it wouldn't be too hard to write a function selectBits(int x, int y); < 1344833277 396526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it might be too slow < 1344833284 20986 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you'd probably want uint64_t selectBits(uint64_t x, uint64_t y); < 1344833291 278757 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't be any slower than intercal =P < 1344833337 898108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually C-INTERCAL includes optimization files, so yes it would be slower than INTERCAL. < 1344833387 147425 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tested a well written selectBits() function against C-INTERCAL's `select` then? < 1344833806 953966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No but it seems like it would be slower. Probably if the right operand is a constant it would be done better using other stuff. If the right operand is not constant then that is different. < 1344833833 198074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But probably either way is slower than if there was a machine instruction for that purpose. < 1344834049 810711 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sads at the Bloom tutorial assuming I have a Bloom repl open
< 1344834090 233526 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compiler would probably optimise it into some inline ands, ors and shifts < 1344834115 480018 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think x86 has an instruction that would correspond to select < 1344834161 434785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they would do it like that, if it is constant. < 1344834245 546420 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not constant then probably some unrolled loop < 1344834246 918567 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: x86 prefers to add instructions for crc32. < 1344834268 297783 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as memcpy. < 1344834283 764578 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well crc is cyclic redundancy check < 1344834291 735538 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :memcpy can be *branchless* on x86. < 1344834312 96667 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: For any size? < 1344834315 607245 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1344834320 826109 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rep movsb < 1344834343 328028 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah < 1344834360 52093 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov ecx, -1 < 1344834362 570969 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rep movsb < 1344834363 870183 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam < 1344834406 251985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like "'.1~.1'~#1" in INTERCAL might become (!!r1) in C, and "'.1~.1'~#2" indicates that the value of register 1 is neither zero nor a power of 2. < 1344834418 415665 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though a more efficient implementation will use rep movsd or rep movsq to deal in 32-bit or 64-bit quantities at a time, and then copy any left-over bytes... < 1344834425 895965 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still ridiculous. < 1344834486 681614 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it ridiculous? < 1344834532 835965 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copying happens a lot in some contexts, so it made sense for the x86 people to add in the string instructions < 1344834567 517940 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And rep is pretty clever < 1344834612 132957 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would someone have to do x: movsb loop x when rep movsb will do the same thing much quicker < 1344834662 189263 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that has actually no relation with how the CPU works at all. < 1344834725 125259 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you're copying from memory to memory < 1344834735 538473 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't much reason for the data to go through the CPU < 1344834757 416224 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the hell else would it go? Memory isn't magic. < 1344834763 502345 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though friendship is) < 1344834876 300174 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Through a dedicated memory chip? < 1344834892 924064 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you mean a CPU? < 1344834951 146416 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A CPU is for computation < 1344835004 696902 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess the northbridge is integrated into the CPU nowadays < 1344835008 686722 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it used to be separate < 1344835023 189097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they should make it faster by allowing you to put your own microcodes in and modify them at runtime, and including the instructions from esolangs Muxcomp and Checkout, as well. < 1344835026 443922 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was also little more than a translator between the CPU bus and the RAM bus. < 1344835027 844469 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only got integrated in in 2011 < 1344835042 78442 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much earlier if you use AMD. < 1344835056 405876 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point is that a CPU is much faster than RAM < 1344835079 828111 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So while RAM is being copied, it can do something else < 1344835100 663217 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So rep movsb is wasted silicon, because actually doing the operations that it's doing in microcode takes no more time? < 1344835106 723690 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, I agree. :P < 1344835215 313237 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the CPU might be much faster than RAM, but the RAM is only operating in terms of "load $small_amount $address" and "write $small_amount $address". < 1344835240 301854 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :($small_amount on modern systems being 64 bits) < 1344835289 222333 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what better to deal with the need to emit the fetches and writes to gradually incrementing addresses than the processor? < 1344835325 858926 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially keeping in mind that cache also comes into play here, and that's controlled entirely *in* the processor. < 1344835378 487949 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would the data go into the cache when the processor isn't actually doing anything with it, just moving it around? < 1344835436 184574 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if *somehow* by *magic fairy dust* it can "not do anything" but "move it around", *cache still comes into play*. Cache coherency, have you heard of it? < 1344835492 297920 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, the cache in the CPU must correspond to the actual state of RAM, otherwise you get incorrect behavior. < 1344835524 160458 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right < 1344835560 237930 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having an external thing handling the memory means either the CPU's basically blocking on that external thing or it's constantly getting cache invalidations over the bus. < 1344835560 487671 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if cache is pointing at a piece of ram that you're copying to, you need to update, otherwise you can keep the cache as it is < 1344835614 142824 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in any case any writes to either area of memory will have to block on it in order for semantics to be preserved. < 1344835642 772998 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a *lot* of silicon that would be wasted for a dubious optimization. < 1344835658 727963 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And silicon space is a lot of what a CPU design actually optimizes for. < 1344835701 576671 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, not erasing cache when the cache isn't pointing at RAM that's being modified? < 1344835749 597488 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blocking on the memory copy when you try writing over its source or destination before the memory copy is complete. < 1344835766 831586 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merely only invalidating certain cache lines isn't *that* hard. < 1344835820 27716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what happen if it is RAM being modified by other devices or it is not RAM but is connected to something else instead? < 1344835821 521152 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344835851 309368 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Cache invalidation happens, and if you happen to be modifying RAM being modified by other devices your code breaks. < 1344835864 300839 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The issue is, the second bit *is impermissible for memcpy()*. < 1344835895 914885 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Anyways, this is Premature Optimization. < 1344835932 237992 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: If you show me a program where fast memcpy would make it much faster, I'll show you a program authored by a moron. < 1344835947 476017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the memory might be connected to I/O and ROM and timers and stuff instead of only being RAM. < 1344836039 914465 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In olden times, you'd want your memcpy to be as fast as you could go for graphics purposes, but I imagine nowadays graphics cards have their own inbuilt internal memory routines, and it doesn't matter as much < 1344836098 792657 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think the CPU caches non-RAM though, does it? < 1344836110 148385 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it could cache the ROM < 1344836111 549071 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In olden times, if you used memcpy for your graphics routines you were stupid. < 1344836146 69064 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So how are you supposed to display the same thing in two places on the screen then < 1344836182 826275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about CPU cache. But I suppose yes it could be designed to cache ROM, as long as it is not bank-switched, I guess. < 1344836207 492706 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you're reading a lot from ROM for some reason, it makes sense to cache it < 1344836213 591733 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pssst, memcpy doesn't help that much with that, and if you need to display something other than a rectangle in two different places *you can't use memcpy anyways*. < 1344836239 378462 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You copy linewise < 1344836293 457499 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and congrats, you're using memcpy with fixed small size meaning it's very fast and probably doing it on memory that's cache which means it's fast anyways. < 1344836298 919137 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you're still copying a rectangle. < 1344836335 615139 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is very rare that you want to display a rectangle at multiple points in the screen. < 1344836348 564211 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happens < 1344836437 554067 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's still premature optimization. Also, your utterly psychotic plan to have external hardware do the memcpy instead would only even be *faster* than the CPU just doing it if the amount to copy is large and/or not in cache anyways... < 1344836440 841418 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although now the graphics card would probably do a lot more of the heavy-lifting < 1344836462 900564 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's small and in cache, the CPU is also the cheapest thing to do it. Like, a dozen clock cycles or so. < 1344836480 369811 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I failed to consider that you'd need to keep the cache coherent < 1344836505 622952 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is almost enough time to emit a single fetch to RAM. < 1344836588 39028 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Separate hardware would probably only make sense with a CPU that has no cache, only registers < 1344836625 454364 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is designed to maximize performance, rather than cost/performance ratio. < 1344836648 652956 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is very rare that you want to display a rectangle at multiple points in the screen. < 1344836655 529451 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... < 1344836670 230518 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sprite drawing is what you want to be fast. < 1344836703 184926 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, on old stuff like that. < 1344836712 384833 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait you mean two dynamically updated rectangles. < 1344836718 367626 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not backdrops or anything. < 1344836721 506721 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also *scrolling*. < 1344836790 917895 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, just drawing a backdrop is done once, unless you're scrolling the screen or something. ... In which case you actually want your graphics hardware to be able to do that for you on a slow system. < 1344836872 715717 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought those old graphics cards only support vertical scrolling < 1344836928 822951 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why you didn't see scrolling platformers on those systems. < 1344836941 781112 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NES, for instance, did both. < 1344836972 365297 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the NES was made for games < 1344836986 599660 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, the thing where 2D graphics performance matters. < 1344837028 276553 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :IBM PCs ended up with games rather coincidentally, so initally didn't have specialised hardware for game stuff < 1344837071 521315 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also were profoundly limited by the platform until CPU speed went high enough that a framebuffer was actually reasonable for it. < 1344837117 164615 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the NES *did not actually expose a framebuffer*, and neither did other consoles of the day) < 1344837130 642248 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there was Mode X, which allowed you to touch four pixels at once < 1344837231 728859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it may be possible to make up a NES mapper hardware for exposing a framebuffer. MMC5 does a few things with the PPU nametables so possibly can be done other things, too. < 1344837264 109054 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can look at whatever NES demosceners do < 1344837301 440440 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of clever tricks with the sprite and background tiles. < 1344837323 852844 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, changing the palletes. < 1344837339 871426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes they do those things too. < 1344839101 632605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: You can do "hardware-accelerated" horizontal scrolling also with VGA, it's just slightly trickier. (Basically, twiddle the row pith register to get some invisible working room, increment/decrement the starting address by one to scroll right/left by 4 pixels, and use the Horizontal Pixel Panning register to scroll by 0..3 pixels to make it smooth.) < 1344839227 692950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As opposed to vertical scrolling which is just a matter of changing the starting offset.) < 1344839346 173081 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1344839477 818849 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, hey, that actually does work. Barely. < 1344839657 427808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's this about a "psychotic plan" to have external hardware do a memcpy so that the CPU doesn't need to bother; isn't that pretty much exactly what DMA controllers are? (Okay, so they are mostly involved in I/O contexts, but you can do memory-to-memory DMA too. E.g. Intel has the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I/O_Acceleration_Technology thing on their mobos for offloading memory copying.) < 1344839803 650641 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: He was suggesting it as an implementation of rep movsb. < 1344839824 656260 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Y'know, the memcpy opcode. < 1344839863 97315 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do it, but there is no way you would want it for memcpy, and it could not sanely have the expected semantics of memcpy. < 1344839896 670529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, that'd be kind of weird. < 1344839914 878884 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We weren't talking the concept of memcpy, but literally void *memcpy(void *dest, const void *src, size_t n); < 1344839944 865702 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1344840037 720365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a look at the glibc x86-specific memcpy a while ago. It's amusingly complicated. < 1344840101 321424 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's also amusingly inefficient. < 1344840122 103844 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it, like, special-case memory based on the first byte of the address because of some esoteric, tiny hardware effect? < 1344840122 449160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1344840143 426939 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glibc is practically based on premature optimization and pessimization. < 1344840435 237603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I am currently writing a program for NES graphics, it is almost finish first version. < 1344840511 385992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344840529 404469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the first byte, but I guess you could say it special-cases on the last byte since SSE-based copying is oh-so-fast when dealing with 16-byte aligned stuffs. < 1344840542 564344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the GCC builtin memcpy is not much less complicated. < 1344840613 328770 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's probably faster to just rep movsd or rep movsq. Certainly going to be quicker if memcpy is only occasionally called, in which case the impact on cache from the code matters... < 1344840701 739217 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopf_link < 1344840712 266651 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that's quite a thing to have named after you. < 1344840772 153946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure they *do* do benchmarks with approximates-real-world-code uses, not just guess. < 1344840775 677674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GCC folks, at least. < 1344840893 628925 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GCC folks perhaps. The glibc folks have had "performance improvement" commits that don't even function correctly. < 1344840910 644944 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much less work faster. < 1344841031 664708 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, the performance of rep movs compared to fancy memcpys have varied between "just as fast" and "ridiculously slow", depending on the cpu model < 1344841039 313484 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is still short though < 1344841129 139152 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that matters heavily on modern systems. < 1344841152 783314 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the disparity between RAM and CPU speed grows much more we might start switching to threaded code just to use less RAM. < 1344841497 852871 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the compiler just had any clue about which code to bother with, it would be free to do that for all the code that isn't run often < 1344841536 955580 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a modern cpu is basically a jit compiler though, so maybe it could just do that all the time < 1344841581 205971 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CPU would still have to fetch the code. < 1344841587 261401 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Which is the slow part*. < 1344841860 938281 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is all non-size optimization already pessimisation then? < 1344841918 949774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I highly doubt you could have a rule like that. < 1344841978 206873 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1344842081 325227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't e.g. heard of ICC giving up loop unrolling completely; if only code size mattered, that'd be an obvious pessimization. < 1344842120 759783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICC's -O1: "Optimize to favor code size and code locality. Disables loop unrolling. -O1 may improve performance for applications with very large code size, many branches, and execution time not dominated by code within loops. In most cases, -O2 is recommended over -O1." < 1344842139 302992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-O2 is still the default.) < 1344842156 444234 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i overpaid for a Mac Classic ._. < 1344842158 235552 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1344842182 404218 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it has a beta System Software (one that's not available anyone else) < 1344842309 501237 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop unrolling could expose e.g. vectorization or merge several loop iterations into one operation, and the compiler can undo it after it notices nothing happened except code getting duplicated (not sure if it does though) < 1344842312 421086 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's somewhat more complex than *always* being a pessimization, it's just that it *often* is... < 1344842358 826173 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And if your goal is good software, not just FAAAST -funroll-all-loops!!!, then it's a pessimization for other factors your care about. < 1344842390 60956 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "being able to come back to it three months later and change something". < 1344842432 5144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.. why would loop unrolling by a compiler affect the maintainability of the source code? < 1344842446 475540 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sorry, I wasn't referring to loop unrolling in specific, but code size in general. < 1344842454 233167 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Which the human writing source code has impact on. < 1344842470 731949 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mind went off on a slightly different context than, uh, conversation would suggest. < 1344842481 983350 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think the performance hit for fetching instructions is per cache line, so if you replace 1 byte of code with <32 bytes of faster code it might still pay off < 1344842530 283640 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does some handwaving and says something about caches
< 1344842546 905429 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: True, a cache line is effectively the minimum level of granularity for this purpose. < 1344842630 930962 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming the loop runs for long enough that it ends up worth evicting some other code from the cache and loading it from RAM later < 1344842690 184551 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Simply loading it evicts something else, doesn't it? < 1344842766 628528 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and something always needs to be loaded... but if the code was "1 byte", there'd be 31 bytes left in that cache line that can be used for other things, and some reduction in eviction and loading < 1344842941 641542 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how you could measure the amount of instruction-cache misses that are caused by bloated optimized code < 1344843009 927971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By measuring cache misses with and without various optimizations, and comparing the numbers? < 1344843083 288487 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but without recompiling everything :) < 1344843180 452967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not much of a chore if you're serious about benchmarking. (Anyway, you can measure by Googling for someone who has already done it.) < 1344843386 109216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sadly, first I hit found which compared miss rates with different GCC optimization levels was from 1995, that's not so very current.) < 1344843397 207227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'll have to get going, I think.) < 1344843397 853628 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer to answer all performance questions according to a 1970's model of compilers and computer architecture, with zero empirical data < 1344843457 156539 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to use plain old guessing < 1344843488 55486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I prefer to call that the Stetson-Harrison method. < 1344843514 789365 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing that's a fancy name for guessing then < 1344843535 146935 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also good fun is complaining about which C code will produce "more instructions" in a context where performance is completely irrelevant < 1344843539 881027 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also without reading the disassembly < 1344843572 524050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's a name for "pulling numbers out of a hat", really. < 1344843586 125012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not related, but see editor's note and coauthor list: http://www.improbable.com/airchives/classical/articles/peanut_butter_rotation.html < 1344843591 283943 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you will find that introducing actual information into a discussion will quickly make it boring < 1344843674 365803 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still a stretch to say that modern CPUs are JIT compilers, though < 1344843677 125532 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i know < 1344843695 646315 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JITs will compile an entire function or a trace at once, and apply nonlocal optimizations within that < 1344843702 152436 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a bit of an exaggeration < 1344843707 410662 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPUs only look ahead some number of instructions < 1344843717 892883 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a reasonably fair exaggeration though < 1344843722 495306 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and counteracts some pervasive myths < 1344843759 973984 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i kind of like programming on AVR where it actually just executes each instruction in order at a deterministic rate with no cache or anything < 1344843767 604542 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's more like an on-the-fly translation with a cache, peephole optimizations and some reordering of instructions < 1344843791 941883 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1344843836 906410 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there some sort of new cookie legislation passed lately? < 1344843843 625783 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK yeah < 1344843857 733610 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sites have to get your permission to set cookies < 1344843860 314202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, chocolate-chips now require a registration. < 1344843866 719332 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause it's not like web browsers already let you control who can set cookies < 1344843872 264494 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cookie legislation made me think about that cake/biscuit lawsuit < 1344843873 401100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's like owning a gun.) < 1344843884 185712 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me what evil things cookies can do again. < 1344843933 895718 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one claims >15.3% of time spent waiting for icache fills: http://ha.redhat.com/support/wpapers/redhat/OProfile/oprofile.pdf < 1344843977 158212 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to be from 2002, so it was basically produced last year < 1344844055 375477 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-39.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1344844065 158741 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-39.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1344844078 43237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ten years, one year: no difference. < 1344844085 165328 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-39.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1344844087 372409 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-39.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1344844092 734091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's comparing GCC 2.95 and 3.1, that's very current indeed. < 1344844098 322696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What are they at now, 4.7?) < 1344844104 42734 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-39.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes 4.7 < 1344844110 565500 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Matrix was released a year ago in 1998, so last year is at least 14 years long < 1344844128 168492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Also doesn't compare between optimilization levels. :/ < 1344844638 316145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Back from Berkeley! < 1344844642 726972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd forgotten how nice it was. < 1344844656 12357 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1344844661 946746 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all right, I guess < 1344844674 325753 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should tell me why it's nice and I will hack my next trip to berkeley using this information < 1344844729 75523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I just have low standards coming from (E)PA. < 1344844746 422930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I did was see part of a play and walk around. < 1344844776 952177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people suggested I should spend 6-9 months at http://www.icsi.berkeley.edu/icsi/ but I skippeded it. :\ :/ < 1344844814 675736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They have some sort of a collabomaration project at the university.) < 1344844833 94902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :collaboomerang < 1344845008 378783 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you walk around? < 1344845023 826420 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :east bay is all right but it reminds me too much of los angeles < 1344845029 484506 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also athens reminded me of los angeles < 1344845045 108136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downtownish area. < 1344845047 585354 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps my principal component for cities is "how much is it like los angeles" < 1344845056 824036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in Los Angeles a long time ago. < 1344845066 119409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember much. < 1344845097 806422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should go there sometime. < 1344845113 739247 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should go to helsinki instead < 1344845121 591182 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably tomorrow or wednesday < 1344845127 976940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's farther away. < 1344845137 398427 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1344845142 572861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could be in Los Angeles tomorrow pretty easily if I wanted to. < 1344845155 253966 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day you'll be able to take Supertrain to los angeles < 1344845155 935588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably also be in Helsinki within 24 hours if I really really wanted to. < 1344845173 705886 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as your attorney i advise you to rent a very fast car with no top" < 1344845237 270944 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day you'll be able to smoke pot and get gay married on supertrain < 1344845241 303572 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no happy meals < 1344845249 229014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day you'll be able to take a Supertrain to Helsinki. < 1344845260 108281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A supersonic, flying Supertrain. < 1344845263 74441 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from tallinn? i hope so!! < 1344845273 41760 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i proposed that railway here yesterday < 1344845298 369610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you were proposing a superrailway? I thought it was just a regular railway. < 1344845304 956783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe supertrains go on regular railways. < 1344845325 221957 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a Train à Grande Vitesse < 1344845326 915166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls that kmc cares more about train infrastructure than about trains themselves.
< 1344845332 514529 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's accurate < 1344845333 965380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :j #mosh < 1344845336 876276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1344845344 828853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My secret is revealed! < 1344845352 709160 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should come to canada and fix our rail system < 1344845355 177042 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :supertrain of the short lived awful 1979 tv show did not run on regular railways < 1344845356 106276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The... uh, if the channel-tunnel is the chunnel... the HellTunnel? Yeah, that sounds about right. So the helltunnel's been proposed a few times in a reasonably serious manner, also somewhat recently. (Not so seriously that they'd actually get around building it, though.) < 1344845379 211346 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but supertrain my idiosyncratic name for california high speed rail will run on pretty standard high speed rail lines < 1344845395 556684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They went as far as to calculate some prices, came up with 1.1-1.6 billion euros in 1997. < 1344845397 391538 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to say overhead electrified standard gauge track, grade separated and with wide curves < 1344845403 359178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: By that day it seems pretty likely that I won't be living in the bay area anymore. < 1344845477 564218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: If I go to Helsinki by Wednesday maybe I could mean KeithW. < 1344845506 428337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably going to Boston would be an easier way to do that. < 1344845532 747359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't have anything in particular to say to KeithW, though.
< 1344845558 687189 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: is that more feasible than fixing the us rail system < 1344845560 571254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a "fast train" kind of route being planned/under construction/something like that from Tallinn to Warsaw these days; that has sort of re-aroused interest in the Tallinn tunnel. < 1344845571 274533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rail Baltica, yes. < 1344845607 412268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rail Baltica is one of the priority projects of the European Union: Trans-European Transport Networks (TEN-T). The project is supposed to link Finland, the Baltic States and Poland and also improve the connection between Central and Eastern Europe and Germany. It envisages a continuous rail link from Tallinn (Estonia), to Warsaw (Poland), going via Riga (Latvia) and Kaunas (Lithuania). It ... < 1344845613 907078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... will by-pass the Kaliningrad Oblast (Russia) and Hrodno (Belarus) where the two historic rail routes Poland-Lithuania have been going." < 1344845617 403966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing. < 1344845630 722924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It'll just be ferries for the Helsinki-Tallinn part so far, but maybe one day!) < 1344845630 872420 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1344845634 39277 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be freight-only :/ < 1344845671 379298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ferries are pretty good. < 1344845684 779123 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, baltic countries don't even use standard gauge < 1344845685 156578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But kmc prefers railways to water. < 1344845689 849866 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use russian gauge not surprisingly < 1344845694 162519 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like ferries too < 1344845718 731404 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this trip has involved a fair number of ferries < 1344845739 307203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WA has a bunch of ferries. < 1344845768 260792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had a Helsinki-Stockholm-Copenhagen-Amsterdam-and-so-on trip few summers ago, and it does take quite a long time to get the Helsinki-Stockholm-Copenhagen part done, mostly due to the slow boats. < 1344845795 469762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stockholm-Copenhagen trains were those very futuristically named "X2000" ones. < 1344845817 933233 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I took a train on a boat once! < 1344845841 562646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least in 1990 "2000" was presumably futuristic.) < 1344845860 433441 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :København to Berlin train < 1344845881 838342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Woodf3a.jpg ? < 1344845890 690814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you read _Three Men in a Boat_? < 1344845893 521914 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1344845901 476674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should read that book! < 1344845913 158226 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a nice picture < 1344845913 569961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good. < 1344845933 718438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :VR (the Finnish railway company) has deals called "BoatTrain", but I think it only means a discount for the train trip from wherever you happen to be to the harbour where the ships leave from. < 1344845949 430759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from 1889 so you can get the text for free, too. < 1344845998 379670 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got one of those deals for my Dublin → Slough trip < 1344846006 486447 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shockingly good deal < 1344846016 107240 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was €52 for the ferry and british rail ticket together < 1344846024 406606 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to like £70 for the latter alone < 1344846034 594427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/308 < 1344846058 616441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's famous in Russia for some reason. < 1344846089 531042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our BoatTrains are just 50% off for the train ticket if you have a (regularly purchased) boat ticket. < 1344846172 985011 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gutenberg.org gives a 403 if i use wget < 1344846194 732559 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :happily they serve a zip of the html version < 1344846200 848854 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i still can't wget it >_< < 1344846207 658406 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-39.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1344846234 63714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's funny, I think I wget'd a whole lot of Gutenberg (maybe a mirror?) back when doing some text analysis stuff. < 1344846247 993741 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-39.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1344846248 956662 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, did you lie about the user agent? ;) < 1344846282 696104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't tihnk so. < 1344846286 598455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Information_About_Robot_Access_to_our_Pages < 1344846312 785503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, I think I used the rsync method described in the mirroring page. < 1344846339 681491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their robots.txt does say crawl-delay: 2 < 1344846357 65672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anywy, I'm sure you can wget from the ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/ URLs. (Don't know if they generate any links there though.) < 1344846366 573877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is becoming increasingly frustrated.
< 1344846369 769865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably not good. < 1344846378 951122 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :frustrated with what? < 1344846411 492205 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344846426 484170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just general frustration. < 1344846459 965566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"life" or something. < 1344846680 914989 :liljuska!~lilja@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1344846841 97523 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1344846850 461348 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like that sometimes < 1344847489 967357 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-39.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1344847697 568837 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE28.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344847755 41464 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344848079 222607 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344848363 16391 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1344848463 781824 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344848608 271912 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1344848609 568871 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you want my half-baked advice? < 1344848682 668540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sure! < 1344849004 620332 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rode a train today. i had hot chips and a coffee, and i positioned myself to eavesdrop on an old man talking to a railway employee about a scheduled train not running due to vandalism < 1344849017 484194 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :traveling and change of scenery < 1344849024 734814 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are both good for not being generally frustrated < 1344849034 381273 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in particular if you have no clear reason to be frustrated < 1344849044 443919 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're frustrated because of some significant problem in your life, that's different < 1344849067 756080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably good advice. < 1344849080 976318 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably eventually correct < 1344849107 500461 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also recommend psychedelic drugs for more or less the same reason < 1344849112 895234 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :change of internal scenery, or something < 1344849118 683383 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so much the visual, but metaphorically < 1344849141 655275 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Hot Chip is a good band < 1344849144 781881 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: which train was not running? < 1344849148 524284 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1344849150 926236 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the.... < 1344849172 48953 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3:52pm train from melbourne flinders street to pakenham < 1344849177 217863 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you have a job these days? do you like your job? < 1344849189 953221 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :australia eh < 1344849197 882876 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1344849199 827881 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's, like, winter there < 1344849202 433668 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that going < 1344849219 467647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No job these days. < 1344849238 733000 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my psychologist encouraged me to get a jacket drycleaned < 1344849252 325145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should get one. < 1344849278 373939 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, therapy is pretty cool if it's free < 1344849288 203653 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, dry cleaning salesmen make poor psychologists. < 1344849325 405701 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1344849336 865953 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you looking for a job? < 1344849342 334220 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was walking along in this jacket the other day and some woman in an SUV said get a job you bum < 1344849351 997055 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like xkcd today < 1344849354 629470 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha itidus21 < 1344849378 362487 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its amazing the adventures that happen when you go out < 1344849428 73259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not actively but maybe I will soon. < 1344849451 904893 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1344849463 242024 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend of mine just quit his job < 1344849466 474151 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was this guy who was begging for change with an elaborate story spoken quickly. he got $2 from me, and i saw two other guys hand him some kind of money eventually < 1344849466 912713 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in today is his last day < 1344849501 3307 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says the younger employees understand why he's doing it < 1344849508 555533 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the older employees think he's totally crazy for quitting without another job lined up < 1344849520 986443 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, one of Jon Ronson's old Guardian columns has him being groomed by a conman for 2 hours at an airport for $60. < 1344849526 810502 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend is young and doesn't have kids and has savings and is a rails developer in SF < 1344849529 887365 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think he will do ok < 1344849530 33647 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He ended up giving it to him out of pity. < 1344849547 732971 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$30 an hour ain't bad! < 1344849558 831179 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what the actual rate is, with downtime < 1344849598 377654 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a rapid delivery he explained without pausing for a breath that he's not after cigarettes, that he needs $1.40 for a bus, something about having trouble with a flatmate, that if he sees me sometime he'll give me a few $ < 1344849663 238598 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he walked off.. and i saw him approach 2 people before going inside the shopping center, then later coming out and approaching another and going back in < 1344849740 483298 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shopping centre is what they call a mall here i think < 1344849768 297911 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might use both..... < 1344849832 68663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should do the university thing. < 1344849843 299440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are complications involved, of course. < 1344849932 863911 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was also this girl busking with hoop dancing < 1344849942 861632 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you have a bachelor's degree already? < 1344849950 896066 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that counts as busking. < 1344849953 450662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1344849974 480847 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess. she wasn't very talented either. but points for trying < 1344849990 464481 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over here the buskers all play bagpipes. < 1344849991 676965 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoop dancing is cool < 1344849992 876651 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's horrible. < 1344850001 190650 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gave her $5 < 1344850003 130859 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that busking licenses are graded by instrument < 1344850008 703430 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that bagpipe license is the most expensive < 1344850031 958404 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in New York there are a lot of guys who breakdance on the floor of moving subway trains < 1344850033 214900 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is that for the tourists? < 1344850038 187148 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally a rider gets kicked in the face < 1344850042 708490 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... theres guys here busking with didgeridoos < 1344850049 677316 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Boston they have this too except that it's just one particular guy who is everywhere < 1344850059 877699 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, presumably, because you'll never find anyone doing it except on Princes Street. < 1344850061 176296 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw some of them < 1344850075 130308 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a guy who plays bagpipes in FiDi in SF < 1344850079 206402 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if he's busking or what < 1344850121 58584 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He should probably pay passersby. < 1344850139 644094 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was also a guy with an accordian if i recall < 1344850157 582534 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats part of the fun of going to the city < 1344850165 65184 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in new york you also see people busking with some kind of traditional chinese string instrument < 1344850168 210805 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sounds awful < 1344850182 442530 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^accordion < 1344850194 789291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Which kind? < 1344850200 453698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the two-string thing? < 1344850208 210922 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people doing traditional chinese singing in the park, which also sounds awful < 1344850209 251196 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my image of the cities of Australia is a load of empty streets crammed with buskers and conmen. < 1344850212 567238 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe? < 1344850213 563453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to recall what that's called.
< 1344850216 493889 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like an upright thing with a bow < 1344850225 672607 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ahh well the conman was in a suburb :P < 1344850235 939096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erhu, that's it. < 1344850245 865538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhu < 1344850251 521141 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent actually ever been asked for money by a stranger in melbourne proper < 1344850255 40031 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they just aren't very good < 1344850264 624871 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a violin but half as good. < 1344850267 937358 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i'm secretly racist :( < 1344850277 235442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the optimal instrument should have one string. < 1344850288 316471 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, i think it was that < 1344850304 60623 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :food, bbl < 1344850305 919702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I saw one played once and it seemed OK. < 1344850312 510122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, it was played by a violinist. < 1344850315 901252 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but yes... guys on street corners selling magazines that people only buy to support the people selling em < 1344850322 800403 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the optimal instrument is the zither. < 1344850339 805587 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and buskers.. and otherwise people sitting and eating.. or bustling down the street < 1344850340 197079 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the optimal instrument is the ondes Martenot < 1344850361 58810 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and trams! < 1344850362 272498 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The optimal instrument is the hyperbass flute. < 1344850384 55162 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever you want to cross the road in melbourne you gotta watch out for trams < 1344850423 347846 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have trams in Edinburgh. < 1344850427 704876 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though we're meant to. < 1344850440 828283 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a prominent part of the experience < 1344850441 289691 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to watch out for buses anyhere < 1344850443 440571 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anywhere* < 1344850451 512994 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trams are like buses except that they move more predictably < 1344850456 445127 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i guess they are quieter < 1344850469 997843 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but these trams they're really packed into a small area < 1344850477 656341 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah trams can be longer too < 1344850478 708011 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true < 1344850489 349328 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh i mean the timing < 1344850499 243071 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1344850502 876137 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rode a 6 car tram in budapest < 1344850508 719167 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :longest in the world < 1344850513 157100 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill have a look on googlemaps < 1344850551 869554 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to go to lunch and then tallinn < 1344850552 864578 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttyl < 1344850881 210431 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's that the tram infrastructure makes them quite prominent.. with the rails, and the sheltered seating < 1344850980 269841 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from WP "The largest cable system in the world, in the city of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, had at its peak 592 trams running on 74 kilometres of track." < 1344851030 399828 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-39.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1344851040 141873 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-39.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1344853437 518745 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1344854350 222589 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE28.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344857414 529376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344857512 887786 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not really < 1344857518 115416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what? Microsoft have some of the sanest terms of use and license agreements I've ever seen < 1344857518 966584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1344857530 104598 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except we aren't wuite ao allegic to government < 1344857539 272426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is, because they get sued so often they have to make absolutely sure there's nothing in there that might bring the whole agreement down < 1344857542 133196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1344857543 6074 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia said 1d 12h 12m ago: I needed to know the "official" way of making colored text on mediawiki for Talk:BF_Joust_Strategies < 1344857585 636093 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: cable-pulled cars? < 1344857594 216997 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have those still? < 1344857721 826226 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah not since 26 October 1940 < 1344857749 620843 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SF is the only city to still run cable cars in normal traffic i think < 1344857750 148707 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344858850 216585 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344858944 179970 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344859002 533146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1344859011 620674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344859201 879402 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1344859227 661730 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://patriciopalladino.com/blog/2012/08/09/non-alphanumeric-javascript.html < 1344859281 305851 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344859403 413424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1344859406 507432 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344859422 369726 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1344859890 689424 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if dead pixel or unusual diacritic mark < 1344860946 596785 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1344861592 916620 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-196.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1344862533 613199 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how secure my disk encryption passphrase should be < 1344862541 131044 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one i have now is quite long and annoying to type < 1344862654 530130 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1344862765 15901 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm mainly interested in keeping laptop thieves from being able to read my data < 1344862779 644806 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and expect that a random laptop thief will not try extremely hard < 1344862787 548401 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344862800 827039 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think it does not need to be very secure at all < 1344862951 945512 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason it shouldn't just be my login password < 1344866562 933948 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1344867091 264530 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344868762 520334 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1344868762 520711 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1344868762 520905 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1344868762 520983 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1344868762 521063 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1344868762 521141 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hfktctoiclygapqb QUIT :*.net *.split < 1344868762 666592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :*.net *.split < 1344868762 666755 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1344869098 401912 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344869098 550134 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1344869098 550297 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1344869098 550377 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1344869098 550458 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1344869098 550535 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hfktctoiclygapqb JOIN :#esoteric < 1344869098 550613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1344869098 550691 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344869414 545782 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE28.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344870469 370722 :canaima172423!~canaima@190.199.248.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344870527 329468 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1344870538 107278 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1344870546 973161 :canaima172423!~canaima@190.199.248.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olle tienes residen evill 4 en psp 2 < 1344870935 724981 :canaima172423!~canaima@190.199.248.55 PART :#esoteric < 1344871143 531193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1344871190 841313 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olle olle, olle olle < 1344871210 157239 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1344871212 165754 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric = Español… oteric. < 1344871280 452131 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect any word beginning with es is curious < 1344871335 981831 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just the establishment talking. < 1344871437 238857 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i started googling for such words i encountered esne < 1344871441 111056 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially yes. < 1344871447 950701 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me of a certain esolang < 1344871471 549117 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling? grep '^es' /usr/share/dict/american-english-huge < 1344871492 154577 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a grep < 1344871541 85391 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for usr.. i suspect i have about 10 of them < 1344871544 397437 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all for me < 1344871564 222964 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with unusual names < 1344871626 743660 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the windows file hierarchy starts off good enough C:\Documents and Settings\ < 1344871636 500203 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at about that point its all fucked up < 1344871689 467491 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Windows users. < 1344871692 951283 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They try so hard. < 1344871792 976390 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is UpdatusUser < 1344871796 800470 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't look good < 1344871841 980677 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i get it now < 1344871851 402762 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i freaked out because i got my graphics card on my birthday < 1344871868 841344 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was therefore a folder created on my birthday < 1344872364 451921 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello from Estonia < 1344872585 502863 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1344872956 555551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1344872969 876941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who do I usually bother for git help again? < 1344872975 498132 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#git < 1344872976 96656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was Deewiant. < 1344872978 695370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No way! < 1344872980 102852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's uncool. < 1344872990 924068 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, bother #git and then talk smack about them behind their backs here < 1344872994 66078 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the way < 1344873010 131441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like ~2.5x as much effort though. < 1344873021 654743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even 2.75. < 1344873024 357042 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :∼ < 1344873045 78994 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm reading the thing you told me to read! < 1344873056 196496 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande also told me to read it (separately) < 1344874521 352061 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can sometimes provide git help, as well
< 1344874687 173664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad, I solved it without the aid of anyone Finnish or called kmc! < 1344874696 497095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it impossible. < 1344874898 288545 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you ever have any problems with git again, just remember I am not the person you want < 1344874902 943815 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By a long way < 1344875015 130034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1344875346 267551 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the question, out of curiosity < 1344875445 200022 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1344875473 890282 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.quora.com/Palo-Alto-CA/Why-are-there-so-many-questions-about-Palo-Alto-CA < 1344875550 865798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1344875572 954126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the related questions are good too < 1344875574 835986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the question was < 1344875592 777657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i've merged something in a way that produces a merge commit and i oops'd and actually wanted it to be a rebasey merge so the merge commit was gone how can i do that < 1344875600 269512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is start over using pull --rebase this time and perform the merge by hand again < 1344875613 772811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use someone's shell script that trains this git rerere thing and i stopped reading at that point < 1344875686 259480 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1344875716 180570 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would just reset to the point before the merge, and then cherrypick my work from after that < 1344875720 13998 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which amounts to the same thing < 1344875798 298407 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1344875822 550837 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what git rerere is < 1344875941 482714 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is kmc an honourary Finn? < 1344875972 608668 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone in this channel who isn't from Hexham is a Finn. Not honorary or otherwise, just a Finn. < 1344876031 25356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: No. Someone is an honorary Finn, but I completely forget who. < 1344876056 660073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: maybe it's you??? < 1344876073 978085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop! < 1344876076 446598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now continue. < 1344876098 346987 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MC Hammer's not so good first draft of his song < 1344876102 68690 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me < 1344876129 992399 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it Fungot? < 1344876137 34756 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I will be in Finland tomorrow < 1344876158 754043 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are... American? < 1344876195 86644 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1344876222 701918 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stop!.... Continue!" is an Electric Six lyric < 1344876254 257240 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from "Improper Dancing" < 1344876277 746193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: By the way, why is make so bad? < 1344876288 258308 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have an answer to that < 1344876315 237838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1344876318 41597 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there better make replacements? < 1344876326 709062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: I quite like tup < 1344876330 982797 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good things are banned to start with < 1344876332 248040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't perfect, though. < 1344876337 588694 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why bad things always have the lead < 1344876339 856471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gittup.org/tup/ < 1344876427 233087 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what annoys me? < 1344876447 613204 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Facebook, it suggest articles. But to look at them, I have to let Yahoo post on my wall < 1344876476 605908 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or google the headline < 1344876498 983888 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's a good idea < 1344876551 48715 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does tup have to do with git? < 1344876601 100259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has nothing to do with git, but gittup has to do with both tup and git: http://gittup.org/gittup/ < 1344876609 90897 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCP is not really working on this connection < 1344876647 55144 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, the article was awful, why did I bother < 1344876648 155020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just quote the best bit for you: < 1344876650 999028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yeah, I'm marf. Yeah, my computer is captainfalcon. Yeah, I just edited the spellcasting in nethack because I felt like it. Then I changed ls to print "Sup bro, way to list those files", because I like to be encouraged when I list things, and because I like it when people call me "bro"1. Then I re-compiled both and got a new initrd in like two seconds. Go ahead -- try to change the ls on your system to print out extra messages for no reason!2 Yo < 1344876651 145329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :u can't do it!! Unless of course you're running gittup.org. But if you're running gittup.org, why aren't you playing nethack or needlessly recompiling things just for fun? In fact, how are you reading this webpage?? It doesn't even come with a web browser." < 1344876699 193924 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1344876737 216017 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lockamee i'm zany and wacky < 1344876742 533268 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bacon ninja bros < 1344876759 997334 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet this person writes a lot of ruby < 1344876760 210959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :piffle < 1344876762 905855 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does the http://www.jerkcity.com/jerkcity490.html strategy work with tup? < 1344876771 387827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gittup is cool and tup is cool and mike is cool and you are bitter < 1344876805 147678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: there is someone with the nick bonghitz in a channel i am in < 1344876806 619234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should ask them < 1344876808 208866 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, the thing elliott pasted didn't seem all that formulaic < 1344876823 993606 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm just taking the piss mate < 1344876832 690688 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(been traveling with british people for 3 weeks, this is how i talk now) < 1344876842 984775 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc thinks i'm british < 1344876843 987253 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think all four of those claims are likely true < 1344876854 727691 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: you are british when you are around actual british people < 1344876922 740419 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1344877004 150952 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of ninja < 1344877009 836981 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how tup compares to ninja < 1344877014 562650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ninja was inspired by tup < 1344877020 735159 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1344877021 71624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ninja is probably worse though < 1344877023 822431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for some use-cases < 1344877030 997817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the building-the-build-system thing is kind of a pain in practice < 1344877041 998950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a patch in ninja because I wanted to use it to build Haskell code < 1344877043 517173 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why did the ninja developer(s?) decide tup wasn't adequate < 1344877047 381592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tup can't manage that right now < 1344877050 668241 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1344877052 989903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the multiple output files < 1344877062 744864 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1344877068 559042 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple output files are not rare < 1344877075 957403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not so much multiple output files as the kind of < 1344877077 451515 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :latex and lex/yacc both come to mind < 1344877079 830386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pseudo-separate compilation GHC has < 1344877088 439414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it's sort of separate compilation but not really < 1344877095 253972 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's special about it? < 1344877097 607978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: anyway ninja was just intended to be incredibly fast and "trivial" I think < 1344877104 72822 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1344877119 591809 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ninja wants you to specify the dependency graph in a very explicit form < 1344877120 657602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite this it still supports variables for no apparent reason < 1344877156 382941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try and find the discussion on the tup list < 1344877160 983461 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gittup seems pretty awesome < 1344877217 266753 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you say ghc's separate compilation is 'pseudo' < 1344877221 416100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: here: https://groups.google.com/group/tup-users/browse_thread/thread/62eacaa9a22d9965/38468408c8b1aafb < 1344877228 312038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will probably explain it better than I could over IRC < 1344877233 615105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but GHC does not have fully separate compilation < 1344877236 847241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are dependencies on interface files < 1344877238 705216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the whole issue < 1344877319 889068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly the only reason I am not using tup for my current use case is because its output is quite ugly right now :p < 1344877332 734135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it overdoses a bit on the ANSI colour) < 1344877348 44717 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1344877355 485228 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pipe to cat, problem solved < 1344877369 405699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually like its progress bars and some of the colour, it just overdoes it < 1344877370 772848 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(surely it doesn't print color codes when stdout isnotatty, right?) < 1344877374 306128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1344877376 826931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1344877379 967424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what it does when you pipe it to cat < 1344877393 44057 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-13.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1344877438 977051 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a particular reason why you consider "don't need to have compiled dependencies first" to be fundamental to the idea of separate compilation? < 1344877467 966849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more or less my definition of fully separate compilation :P < 1344877479 210971 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but is there some particular reason to take that definition < 1344877497 817021 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like a severe restriction < 1344877499 604439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, something like C is distinctly more "separate" than Haskell in terms of how you can compile it < 1344877507 936228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems reasonable to have a term to distinguish the two < 1344877515 648573 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'd rather have GHC's approach compared to C or ML where you're expected to duplicate information in a header file < 1344877521 520821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1344877527 46300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not saying fully separate compilation is the right trade-off < 1344877531 557766 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1344877537 136425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, relevantly, it makes building quite a bit simpler < 1344877547 502031 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you could write a haskell compiler which just parses imported sources and doesn't require the .hi < 1344877553 713487 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wouldn't ddo things like cross-module inlining < 1344877553 859447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you could < 1344877556 209596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be slow and bad < 1344877567 444023 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1344877595 513601 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PART :#esoteric < 1344877645 639928 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only ghc --make supported parallel builds < 1344877681 102031 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell and GHC are equal parts "advanced technology from the future" and "embarassingly behind the times" < 1344877684 407788 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty amusing < 1344877708 478605 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you know, adjust the word "equal" to suit your attitude, i don't really care < 1344877709 197264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the idea was to make a tool which wrapped around cabal < 1344877709 437069 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like how the Martians in War of the Worlds hadn't invented the wheel. < 1344877717 628603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by telling it "ghc" was actually my-ninja-using-ghc < 1344877722 674667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would basically get the list of modules it gives < 1344877730 116623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a ninja build file for them that uses non --make ghc < 1344877732 742587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then run it < 1344877736 137812 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: evolution hasn't invented the wheel, either! < 1344877739 816468 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no animals with wheels < 1344877741 906774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I lost interest and gave up : ) < 1344877750 813418 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about flagella < 1344877755 575483 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about them < 1344877790 31831 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're basically very broad-rimmed, narrow wheels < 1344877800 112265 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they roll along their axis? < 1344877811 426487 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um kmc have you ever heard of the flywheeel < 1344877813 795934 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they can't spin indefinitely, right? < 1344877814 140798 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more like a propeller, aren't they? < 1344877825 449578 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like as many degrees as you like in one direction < 1344877828 468853 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, propellers are wheels with bits cut off. < 1344877840 413035 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, nope, they have unrestricted rotation. < 1344877841 412299 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're used for a different purpose < 1344877862 938257 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I defer you to my earlier remark on the flywheeel. < 1344877882 306255 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But answer this... < 1344877923 549813 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...nah, I can't think of a question < 1344877935 136450 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :propellers are wheels with bits put on < 1344877939 289101 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR DID I JUST BLOW YOUR MIND < 1344877950 374767 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's cool < 1344877953 602661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey < 1344877960 930789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remembered make -jN is totally broken < 1344877962 955037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1344877972 350342 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Broken in your favour? < 1344877974 828449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1344877978 217858 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1344878009 583818 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it's also essentially a modified intercellular syringe. < 1344878013 63341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: maybe we should switch to aimeka < 1344878014 818129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1344878015 771673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aimake < 1344878058 513552 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats that < 1344878064 802890 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aside from a build system i mean < 1344878071 39884 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ai-complete make, i presume < 1344878087 173074 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ai make < 1344878109 534488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the build system ais523 wrote for nethack 4 < 1344878113 592881 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be careful that the ai makes don't rise up and start trying to unmake their human masters < 1344878114 736623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that you just run it and it figures out everything itself < 1344878119 203838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it works on nethack 4 < 1344878122 482801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't seem to work on anything else < 1344878139 251834 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1344878144 66922 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should use it < 1344878149 864736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's all one gigantic perl script < 1344878151 652878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one file < 1344878157 128675 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:15:39 beautiful < 1344878157 316382 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:15:43 we should use it < 1344878165 751388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i tried to build 41qys-crawl with aimake once but it broke < 1344878167 813232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe we can't :( < 1344878269 147106 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the ai stand for ais523? < 1344878303 667747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it stands for AI < 1344878319 368845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so if TCP isn't working are you using mosh < 1344878323 670662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :great advertising there < 1344878413 986411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: @printf '\e[5;37;40;1m $(CXX) \e[0;37;1m $<\e[0m\n' < 1344878517 635329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what way to convert to/from NTSC composite signals? Should ImageMagick have a command to do such things? < 1344878647 587476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1344878652 114136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the second one, I mean! < 1344878710 272145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you know any way to use make -jN and still get error messages that aren't lines and lines away from the compilation command < 1344878867 237740 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1344879354 598686 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344880031 438997 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1344880033 540969 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1344880123 410989 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :one does not simply hi into #esoteric < 1344880132 780751 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hi) < 1344880142 242709 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i miss < 1344880173 26781 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :any day now, Gregor will implement the new rule that anyone who says hi will be kickbanned < 1344880186 186590 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1344880197 32494 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, he might still be too busy admiring his pants < 1344880200 567996 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi copumpkin < 1344880202 24795 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementing the rule is easy, but I don't have ops. < 1344880207 421244 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I do have pants. < 1344880211 486596 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glorious, glorious pants. < 1344880221 649496 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor < 1344880226 492463 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor's pants < 1344880238 97683 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's pants say, “Hello!”
< 1344880250 540800 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my. talking pants < 1344880257 813856 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been bested < 1344880279 890880 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i knew your pants were loud, just not articulate < 1344880319 655327 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're pretty amazing pants. < 1344880335 172290 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? couldnt hear that over your pants < 1344880344 144446 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.solidcolorpants.com/servlet/the-3669/Purple-Dress-Pants-Trousers/Detail <-- this shall be next. Isn't this the most amazing pants color EVER? < 1344880389 185514 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGGPLANT PURPLE < 1344880409 186839 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They may advertise it as eggplant, but that ain't no eggplant. < 1344880427 699921 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the domain name suggests they might not be the most amazing color < 1344880442 88454 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most amazing colors involve color combinations < 1344880445 162291 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka pinstripes < 1344880452 781476 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks
< 1344880479 855891 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Although I would pay almost any price for pink and light blue angle-striped pants, I have something of a commitment to solid colors in my wardrobe as a whole. < 1344880486 616852 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looksh thats eggplant
< 1344880498 912685 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1344880504 670291 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid up button :P < 1344880515 518526 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's definitely eggplant < 1344880553 492954 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm sure there are eggplants available in that color, I would say it's a very poor choice of color name. < 1344880580 668322 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :say what you like < 1344880599 108150 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one will be able to hear you over EGGPLANTS FOR LEGS < 1344880609 137835 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find this completely acceptable. < 1344880762 176965 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new eggpants 2012! they burn through your retinas in 5 seconds flat! < 1344880784 750355 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily < 1344880787 424147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344880805 754739 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you not say that that color is precisely aubergine boily? < 1344880834 839570 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 bye ais523 < 1344880868 671535 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah, but I wouldn't be able to make bad puns as easily as with "eggplant". < 1344880889 167792 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, hi quintopia! < 1344880889 530029 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344880902 96222 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I say hi! in defiance of any vague kickban threats!) < 1344881267 539536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344881302 207647 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1344881461 185127 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1344881519 68384 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1344881702 315252 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Found terminal < 1344881953 504237 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: There's no threat since I don't have ops ;) < 1344882256 80219 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1344882585 668582 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, didn't you have ops for a while. < 1344882963 100771 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1344882980 721414 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1344883211 752127 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about that campaign to give you voice, I was fully behind that. < 1344883248 772252 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-13.elisa.ee QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1344883266 196525 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-13.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1344883453 373964 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1344883597 99501 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1344883688 636086 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344883751 211606 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, req. that Gregor be given voice. < 1344883801 437703 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor hates ops in rooms where everyone is given ops. < 1344883912 443296 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an aversion to normalcy. < 1344883928 183989 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1344883950 529362 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So having voice would fix that! < 1344883970 598238 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hae no aversion to being given +v, it just seems unlikely is all :) < 1344884206 102067 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have < 1344884365 324656 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344884490 563042 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily, my bright yellow pants are like an antinormalcy booster shot. < 1344884551 106429 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344884595 124093 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, never underestimate the power of DEMOCRACY < 1344884618 660809 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, will you join my campaign to give Gregor voice. < 1344884850 352557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Which thing? < 1344885102 168744 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1344885133 633334 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-39.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we voting for something :D? < 1344885135 408095 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1344885145 627702 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-39.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote against, invariant of the subject! < 1344885321 758687 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what campaign < 1344885327 960381 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Gregor mute? < 1344885347 410013 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREGOR DRINK SOME HONEY WHISKEY MIXTURE! < 1344885364 650857 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonono, I mean the IRC mode. < 1344885377 637730 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1344885390 325496 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you can still drink some honey whiskey mixture, if you want to < 1344885394 680280 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that lets you talk if +m is on (+m is never on). < 1344885396 29715 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's legal where you are < 1344885414 544946 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, sure, I'll support your campaign < 1344885429 898156 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :voice also allows you to talk when banned < 1344885432 27995 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yessss. < 1344885441 874832 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that might be only op < 1344885449 849706 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk, this calls for a test < 1344885450 231236 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this across all IRC or just this channel? < 1344885468 58025 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I change the motion to: Gregor gets voice, banned. < 1344885525 361808 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1344885549 292241 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Gregor is mute! < 1344885556 226268 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1344885562 634043 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREGOR DRINK THAT HONEY WHISKEY MIXTURE STAT < 1344885857 932615 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-13.elisa.ee QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1344886136 621439 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by PO < 1344886779 16492 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-39.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1344887010 213132 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Three Men in a Boat (To Say Nothing of the Dog) < 1344887030 713829 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: redirect stdout, maybe? < 1344887045 85109 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, i'm using Mosh, and yes I know it's advertising ;) < 1344887222 686411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No context in here, but did you read this story-thing by Ted Chiang? http://www.clarku.edu/welcome/placement/pdf/reading.pdf < 1344887232 335200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1344887257 616570 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will read < 1344888670 547988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To read what one? < 1344888888 14052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Good point. < 1344888979 64358 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: have read now < 1344888981 12514 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1344888985 482393 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you find it? < 1344889033 791339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a book, http://www.amazon.com/Stories-Your-Life-Others-Chiang/dp/1931520720 < 1344889095 592364 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1344889097 469635 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :books are neat < 1344889183 498397 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the grpuabybtl gung znxrf fbzrbar va n ivqrb hahfhnyyl crefhnfvir is a plausible and frightening idea < 1344889209 986909 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :frightening indeed < 1344889219 448932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo kdjfoiw owijer nfoaijg joiw owejf < 1344889232 221634 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1344889255 387282 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is it rot13 or somesuch popular crypto? < 1344889359 951642 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1344889364 78722 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot13, standard for hiding spoilers < 1344889377 297822 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know what elliott is saying < 1344889428 51554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i smashed my keyboard randomly < 1344889432 858289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you should use rot14 instead < 1344889452 254782 :liljuska!~lilja@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1344889470 172368 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come < 1344889505 745182 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :to hide the spoilers from people who've learned to read rot13 by heart, of course < 1344889751 265048 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's pretty good random smashy < 1344889757 699736 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that i can't tell immediately what layout you use < 1344889913 919214 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qwerty UK, I believe, although he was going to switch to Dvorak iirc < 1344889920 854699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like QWERTY to me. < 1344889937 400351 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with above-average row switching for "random" smashing < 1344889949 787994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kjio are contiguous, for instance. < 1344889966 594713 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hfawiulevghubaweyvgjuh < 1344889968 120447 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1344889970 4625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I don't know any layouts other than QWERTY. < 1344890015 508987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good to know that I have a /usr/games/rot13 < 1344890022 260025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why games go in /usr/games.
< 1344890036 97522 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you don't put games in the bin. < 1344890065 35424 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot13 is just tr 'a-z' 'n-za-m' < 1344890067 605042 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you can see finland from the tallinn tv tower < 1344890090 8752 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :traznzam < 1344890105 244188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's qwerty < 1344890108 968011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no plans to switch to dvorak < 1344890109 114070 :hagb4rd!~pedito@212.23.103.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344890121 988420 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, that's almost transam < 1344890123 3385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewofji oeorkf oisrjefj oijeoijewf jjfrkoa owjef < 1344890131 410535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i just rest my two hands and dance them simultaneously < 1344890140 563388 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net NICK :atriq < 1344890146 423307 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, not registered < 1344890165 646725 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should switch to colemak, then you can be smug at dvorak and qwerty users < 1344890169 647115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: /nick Gnaro < 1344890171 147424 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the vast vast majority of people < 1344890172 512840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's taneb in rot13 < 1344890175 883502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Deewiant uses Colemak! < 1344890180 33061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like a pretty good layout < 1344890182 400467 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are they smug < 1344890187 952842 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott,, think about this one < 1344890191 278651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant doesn't need to be smug < 1344890206 453919 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does colemak come installed on major OSes? < 1344890211 433669 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Ubuntu has it these days < 1344890221 126939 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every OS has US-Dvorak since longtime < 1344890222 186816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if the vast majority of people use keyboards.
< 1344890231 869673 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe if you include mobile phones < 1344890240 715389 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I'd imagine people who use computers tend to use keyboards < 1344890249 681367 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And most people I know use computers < 1344890257 707354 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people you know != most people < 1344890261 645869 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1344890267 431423 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vast majority of people live in asia and make carpets, they have no need for keyboards < 1344890274 991399 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we must start somewherwe < 1344890275 551378 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1344890283 254588 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really true < 1344890286 46394 :hagb4rd!~pedito@212.23.103.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they still need fridges < 1344890294 658518 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor people in asia still want to read news, watch porn, talk to friends on facebook like anyone else < 1344890302 558393 :hagb4rd!~pedito@212.23.103.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in times of global warming < 1344890304 542877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many more people in the world than there are IPv4 addresses. < 1344890311 847406 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they may do this at internet cafes or on mobile phones rather than on computers they own < 1344890315 574844 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd argue that touch keyboards don't count as keyboards < 1344890333 767976 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically, it's impossible to touch type on a touch keyboard < 1344890392 808849 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found Pizza Americana in Tallinn < 1344890399 178578 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1344890444 806824 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AVOID IT LIKE THE PLAGUE < 1344890461 246198 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have specific knowledge or are you just going from the name? ;) < 1344890470 802670 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would amuse me to eat at an america-themed restaurant while in foreign < 1344890487 607038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am one of the guys that doesn't want to watch porn and talk to friends on facebook like anyone else. < 1344890500 8747 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, avoid eating your own country's cuisine while abroad < 1344890519 612141 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1344890523 532659 :hagb4rd!~pedito@212.23.103.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to watch porn? < 1344890524 594608 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq isn't a bad nick < 1344890533 697340 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well most foods invented in America are nominally part of someone else's cuisine < 1344890540 505705 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like pizza and orange chicken < 1344890556 138133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: That is correct. < 1344890574 23539 :hagb4rd!~pedito@212.23.103.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you still have balls, don't you? < 1344890574 303214 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, neither do I, but for probably different reasons < 1344890574 449347 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there's an idea of "traditional American food" like the idea of "traditional Latvian food" < 1344890579 690681 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you mean native american, of course :) < 1344890593 672473 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a raging, flamboyant asexual < 1344890599 504788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :polenta! < 1344890611 998550 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wasn't sure whether the balls comment was about zzo38 or about food
< 1344890652 841151 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's said that the most authentically British dish is chicken tikka masala < 1344890660 569533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O yes, I have golf balls, pokeballs, and maybe some others which I have not found recently and forgot about. < 1344890672 309014 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, polenta is not actually food, it's a construction material that's categorised as food due to EU law. < 1344890681 315715 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we went to a british irish-american pub in croatia which serves dutch beer and thai curry < 1344890707 214708 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but who's got the biggest balls of them all? < 1344890720 955001 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that sounds nice < 1344890736 209673 :hagb4rd!~pedito@212.23.103.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the one who is not watching porn in the internet < 1344890751 124777 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a paradox of authenticity < 1344890764 796846 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when traveling do you go for the restaurant serving "traditional authentic cuisine" to tourists < 1344890768 236903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You, isn't it? < 1344890774 129420 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you find the place where locals eat, which probably serves kebab and pizza < 1344890787 665926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't actually know, I just guess) < 1344890790 77741 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live in boston and i almost never eat seafood < 1344890797 821415 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my balls are normal size, as far as i know < 1344890818 904339 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I live in Hexham and rarely eat leather or chipboard < 1344890830 704651 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1344890833 127446 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should try! < 1344890852 122925 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, Hexham has a greek restaurant < 1344890859 753050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in California and rarely eat oranges. < 1344890870 862159 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: wow! it really does have everything < 1344890871 8483 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you rarely smoke marijuana, california's #1 cash crop < 1344890874 939394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are oranges the state food of CA? < 1344890885 855671 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, except a... < 1344890887 959039 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :burritos and pot brownies < 1344890890 892333 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLIMBING WALL < 1344890895 604600 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, i could make, like, a... pot burrito < 1344890906 95764 :hagb4rd!~pedito@212.23.103.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in baker, they have excellent seafood < 1344890933 522487 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realises atriq is Taneb after briefly entertaining the possibility of a third Hexhammer in the channel.
< 1344890950 36356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The friend I was visiting a friend yesterday seems to enjoy California's #1 cash crop. < 1344890952 996671 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, "atriq" is rot13 for ngevd < 1344890971 152727 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is taneb ngevd? < 1344890971 863051 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can buy Scotland's national food in Edinburgh, although I've never heard of anyone actually eating it. < 1344890975 690263 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes < 1344890978 823482 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep fried mars bars? < 1344890982 666653 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1344890982 812701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A triqery! < 1344890989 563543 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I have been for ages < 1344890993 196235 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get deep-fried haggis, too. < 1344890995 295911 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe Gregor coined Ngevd < 1344890997 577536 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :natch < 1344891007 69949 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens about half the time anyone here changes nicks is that one person disappears forever and some new person appears < 1344891031 199467 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on my initials N. G. v D., the G standing for George after my great grandfather George Elliott Moscrop < 1344891032 91088 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seafood is expensive and not tasty enough to justify the expense, i feel < 1344891066 792853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your great grandfather is named after elliott? < 1344891070 848267 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1344891077 517217 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, someone in the elliott clan < 1344891092 591175 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually he got his middle name from his grandmother < 1344891107 983188 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously) < 1344891116 663108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nick "Ngevd" vaguely reminded me of a desert, which I suppose was not the intention. < 1344891125 280782 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1344891126 985310 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was not < 1344891161 526855 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My great-great-great grandmother (in two ways! oh no!) was called Jane Elliott < 1344891180 734637 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great hexham tradition of incest < 1344891200 242603 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is why elliott is a stunted little midget and ngevd has a stupid moustache < 1344891202 668522 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, when this incest happened my ancestors lived in Newcastle < 1344891216 490934 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they went to hexham for the incest < 1344891225 322698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newcastle-upon-Thyme < 1344891255 90598 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the best thing to do to avoid incest is to meet your cousins before adulthood < 1344891255 452272 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1344891264 41924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :heegan < 1344891264 793529 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should open a dispensary in the Mission and serve pot burritos < 1344891297 978074 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, is that not normal < 1344891319 906042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Surely that already exists in SF somewhere. < 1344891322 502082 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: are you talking about the aversion to having sex with people you've grown up with? < 1344891328 406620 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that doesn't work unless you live together all the time < 1344891334 813343 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, to not change your children's religion away from that which is every other close relative, shortly before dying < 1344891340 529048 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was a problem for the kibbutzim though < 1344891347 316261 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones with collective child-raising < 1344891377 505333 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, meeting before adulthood helps < 1344891397 109531 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you know, you're asexual! < 1344891406 697894 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not aromantic! < 1344891411 678642 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anamorous < 1344891415 331429 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the term us < 1344891417 29456 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1344891437 86622 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it doesn't count as incest then! < 1344891441 467936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thegreencross.org/ -- this whole business is more streamlined and convenient than I expected. < 1344891457 689673 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, there are at least two cases of incest in my ancestry < 1344891462 508154 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more inbred than Caligula < 1344891477 692873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I think "aromantic" is the standard terminology?? < 1344891481 166889 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not actually much of an achievement) < 1344891482 547604 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :debatable, it's more complicated than that < 1344891483 473603 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm < 1344891493 859994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to be confused with "aromatic". < 1344891495 211612 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Caligula wasn't actually inbred < 1344891505 939194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, atriq *is* smelly. < 1344891508 264247 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well there is that. < 1344891528 690565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Have you met atriq? < 1344891530 443677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :matriq < 1344891533 592311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :metriq? < 1344891534 937014 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also it's quite possible to be more inbred than, say, the child of siblings. < 1344891544 758858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mætriq < 1344891559 258309 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I have not mated with elliott < 1344891567 936728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good to know < 1344891568 759459 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the family tree of Charles II of Spain, or that of Cleopatra, although that's not so much a tree as a column. < 1344891569 99321 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :take it to #esoteric-orgy < 1344891595 805053 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S ALL MINE AHAHAHAHAHA < 1344891601 480866 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nice < 1344891603 142086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: apparently i am not invited to that channel < 1344891668 172642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: There should be a channel where you give free half-baked advice to anyone who asks. < 1344891682 32337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#iama-kmc-ama < 1344891704 292576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this channel works for that purpose, though. < 1344891713 498824 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, incest: pro or against. < 1344891738 123048 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1344891751 421082 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom_hoover: Haven’t you noticed that both sides of an issue are always “pro”? < 1344891753 782693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :half-"baked" eh < 1344891755 393879 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think incestual relations between consenting adults should be illegal < 1344891755 588088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it kmc < 1344891758 701005 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still fucking creepy < 1344891759 29786 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pro-incest vs. pro-childlove < 1344891767 164400 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, brainfart < 1344891785 895730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think kmc got it < 1344891793 400723 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :got what < 1344891800 191834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : half-"baked" eh < 1344891800 400352 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott made a joke < 1344891801 172381 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm always not getting things < 1344891801 389373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, was that what kmc meant? < 1344891810 889635 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: most cities have marijuana delivery < 1344891813 833901 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just no nice webpage for it < 1344891815 526950 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, turning literally any reference to incest into an annoying Lannister joke: pro or pro? < 1344891816 275403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the joke is "baked" < 1344891818 41441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you laughing < 1344891821 265794 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1344891821 763928 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pro-childlove vs. pro-innocence < 1344891829 139101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hmm < 1344891831 214582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: try correcting that < 1344891832 470051 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/08/10 < 1344891843 468 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pro-gun vs. anti-penis < 1344891889 218397 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, is it just me or has there been a very marked drop in PA's quality over the past... month? < 1344891892 179545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it would be bad to have to prefix every entry in makefile.obj with $(OBJDIR)/ right < 1344891902 287488 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it avoidable < 1344891918 872775 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it cleanly avoidable < 1344891919 200522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A voidable warranty < 1344891923 415004 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does avoiding it make it better < 1344891950 397419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes; no; idk < 1344891951 793909 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i would say more than a month < 1344891957 309888 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been kinda meh for a while now < 1344891963 363097 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still better than most webcomics for sure < 1344891966 834242 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least most i've seen < 1344891968 862664 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like clean ! < 1344891976 405401 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the art is still top-notch < 1344891981 564546 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it's like it went from "kind of meh" to "really, really meh" very quickly. < 1344891986 628970 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe < 1344891989 890401 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you pinpoint the change? < 1344891990 615437 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a most webcomics? don't answer that. < 1344892017 197097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep question with monqy < 1344892023 594119 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/07/27 maybe? < 1344892027 48485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the Best Web Comic? < 1344892027 761906 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott why are there so many elliotts in haskell < 1344892030 542440 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if i were 4 years older i would rage against penny-arcade instead of xkcd < 1344892039 547210 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as something everyone likes and quotes and references but isn't actually that good < 1344892050 473159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't like or quote it. < 1344892050 689291 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The jokes from then have all been kind of "here's a silly thing, we have made a silly thing and this is funny". < 1344892072 684289 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1344892075 26612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the startling realisation when you realise that penny arcade wasn't really ever very funny < 1344892083 841674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*startling moment? who knows. who knows. < 1344892084 782647 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some of those are references to video games you probably haven't played < 1344892085 809619 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as always < 1344892087 190326 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1344892088 777174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't particularly dislike it either, it just never seemed to be worth starting to read. < 1344892124 485259 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i think it was very funny for a while < 1344892128 812532 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still think so < 1344892148 467865 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd was also very good but not for very long < 1344892155 346995 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how good is a very < 1344892157 396902 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't answer that < 1344892165 605424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: very good < 1344892167 152131 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think PA did a better job of evolving out of the initial joke format < 1344892167 713463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd was pretty good for longer than people give it credit for < 1344892168 894964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oops" < 1344892188 777880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Man, those spider comics. < 1344892200 57539 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so you'd put the decay after the 400-500 mark most would? < 1344892241 148604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: maintaining my idealised self-image requires that i do not consider questions like that worth answering < 1344892244 496457 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd was a great comic for a little while < 1344892268 928003 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it was an ok comic which was still regarded as the pinnacle of nerd culture < 1344892284 302108 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh http://madebyevan.com/webgl-water/ < 1344892320 29381 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's one thing i love, it's giving untrusted javascript direct access to the most complicated kernel subsystem and most complicated peripheral device in my computer < 1344892324 394344 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really starting to warm to Cyanide and Happiness < 1344892326 99304 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, wow, it's like I have a real bucket of water sitting on my desk. < 1344892337 880034 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: it's funny because awful things happen to people < 1344892343 251987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyanide and happiness is an awful awful comic < 1344892365 134050 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I support elliott's view based on vague sycophancy! < 1344892387 744152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i used to like it < 1344892388 21409 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's pretty f. bad < 1344892389 851179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was a worse person < 1344892412 188366 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if you could use scientomantic resonancimation to make a decent wave in that thing.
< 1344892412 370663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWIST: that was 30 seconds ago < 1344892424 226322 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good joke < 1344892435 828089 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have liked it when I was a worse person but unfortunately I was otherwise engaged in being a bad person. < 1344892440 667427 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only long-running comic i can say for sure has not suffered a quality drop is... < 1344892443 567060 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jerkcity < 1344892452 759061 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you jerkcity < 1344892459 455590 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg you can move the ball < 1344892460 376105 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 reliable webcomic lifelong award < 1344892460 522171 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thirkcity < 1344892463 985874 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it perturbs the surface < 1344892465 199978 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1344892465 832405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has Cyanide and Happiness suffered a quality drop? < 1344892469 839373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you drop from the bottom? < 1344892477 187086 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :through the floor < 1344892502 917398 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when there is trap set up for you in every corner of this town < 1344892509 994248 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so you learn the only way to go is... underground < 1344892521 605620 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's slightly less dead baby now? < 1344892526 350549 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly < 1344892544 638315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly less dead baby < 1344892545 684131 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the baby is only half dead < 1344892550 693198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am convinced, sounds great < 1344892555 520878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly dead is slightly alive, I hear. < 1344892559 122694 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basing a regular comic on offensive / "shock" humor is a really dubious decision < 1344892574 513820 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, while the best examples of such humor are fucking hilarious, it kinda raises the bar for the minimum quality joke you can get away with < 1344892585 442566 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if there was a comic but instead of being a comic it just crawled shock sites and pulled from them < 1344892588 487906 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure the top 20 C&H strips of all time are fucking hilarious < 1344892588 968973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not really sure how jerkcity could drop in quality < 1344892590 271974 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one million hits" < 1344892596 287523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is basically based entirely around not having any < 1344892596 433577 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah exactly < 1344892603 691878 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how i can say for sure < 1344892606 348398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C&H" :-( < 1344892619 212077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyanide and hobbsiness < 1344892626 592412 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's unfortunate < 1344892730 860977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1344892736 853185 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could argue that Homestuck hasn't dropped in quality but it's not gag-a-day, it's ultra-subjective, and it has large-scale ups and downs which do alter its entertainment value. < 1344892815 620956 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, omfg it has a buoyancy sim < 1344893237 860752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like what-if.xkcd.com < 1344893239 453056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what it's worth < 1344893261 46662 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's great. < 1344893286 607949 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's essentially Randall Munroe's Picto-Blog as xkcdsucks described ages ago. < 1344893304 958167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1344893351 965971 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, elliott's gone < 1344893362 340216 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it is time to make the important decision < 1344893371 192053 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much do I like the name "atriq"? < 1344893382 414864 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just register it anyway. < 1344893386 372393 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :motorola atriq 4g < 1344893395 214820 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I already have < 1344893407 13020 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Prince_Charles < 1344893430 674569 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've still got ettioll registered < 1344893451 94897 :Prince_Charles!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. < 1344893455 251927 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And noqmy < 1344893459 706756 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And RocketKSquirrel < 1344893466 135857 :Prince_Charles!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *definitely* recall having Prince_Charles registered. < 1344893469 612550 :Prince_Charles!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1344893515 505900 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, who was rocketsquirrel? < 1344893523 35628 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, they expire with disuse. < 1344893527 150442 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, Gregor? < 1344893554 851848 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :RocketJSquirrel < 1344893580 615822 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would also have Vonlebio if it wasn't my black ops nick. < 1344893672 550641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Aww, they expire with disuse. <-- they gave several weeks warning last they did it < 1344893726 506590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+time < 1344894117 598001 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only got Gregor because it expired with disuse ^^ < 1344894167 920741 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair point, it wouldn't really be fair if I locked Prince Charles out of a nick that I never even use. < 1344894252 744401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he probably goes as hrhpc or something < 1344894314 696139 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HRHP_Chuckie < 1344894328 22201 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a polynomial of the form (x^n - 1)/(x - 1) called? < 1344894346 536204 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Annoying to differentiate. < 1344894347 37825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, polynomial of the form (x^n - 1)/(x - 1) < 1344894357 590710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: no, quite easy actually < 1344894391 763193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot recall any name for it, though < 1344894402 963965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: When n is 1, it's called "1". < 1344894405 915535 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called "fuck you STEP organisers for expecting me to factorise every polynomial of degree 3 or less in my head". < 1344894414 553709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :geometric sum perhaps? < 1344894473 843950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1344894533 493399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :geometric series fits sort of < 1344894549 986248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except some may consider it implicitly infinite < 1344894567 741136 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A polynomial which looks easier to factorise than it i-- wait it's totally one of the easy to factorise ones. < 1344894581 359830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: duh < 1344894594 373563 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here we go. It's called an "all one polynomial", or AOP. < 1344894598 304484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover tries to factor every polynomial he sees. < 1344894602 955077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's got factor eyes. < 1344894610 493440 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is x^n - 1 actually easy to factor, in general? < 1344894629 955170 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they were called cyclotomic polynomials. But they're not. < 1344894646 155167 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure (x-1) is always a factor. < 1344894653 963301 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1344894666 26327 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT < 1344894693 255484 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If n is composite, it's easy to factor further. x^3 + x^2 + x + 1 = (x^2 + 1) (x + 1). < 1344894714 795831 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1344894752 840077 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I'm pretty sure x^n - 1 factors into cyclotomic polynomials, and no further. < 1344894794 748832 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does BZFlag count as an FPS? < 1344894842 619290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i'm not quite sure if the cyclotomic polynomials are always irreducible? < 1344894844 541745 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's got a first-person perspective, and you can shoot from it, then I think so. < 1344894866 124669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gauss has proved that < 1344894890 985197 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, you can't look up or down. Also, you're a tank. But yes. < 1344894929 901768 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, wait, is Elite an FPS then? < 1344894936 993838 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't look up or down in doom < 1344894939 596179 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or FreeSpace 2? < 1344894945 309751 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or FlightGear? < 1344894971 709104 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are a couple of planes with working guns for FG.) < 1344895166 18690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: wp's cyclotomic polynomial article has a pretty simple way of calculating the cyclotomic polynomials which also factors x^n - 1 in the process < 1344895200 858024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :uses that x^n - 1 is the product of the d'th cyclotomic polynomial for d a factor of n < 1344895212 819542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*polynomials < 1344895223 303437 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a bunch of the original ksplice people are quitting ksploracle < 1344895229 23469 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is... not surprising < 1344895373 648231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:29:45: Gregor, didn't you have ops for a while. < 1344895373 835104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:36:03: Nope. < 1344895386 387657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually he did, for about a day or so < 1344895391 830968 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut? < 1344895421 490229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was only +o ops though, not chanserv access < 1344895592 485846 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember this >_> < 1344895598 642219 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1344895684 769815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : apparently you can see finland from the tallinn tv tower <-- now i'm imagining an estonian sarah palin < 1344895773 773454 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1344895806 145762 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that people barely remember the fact that Palin never said that :) < 1344895829 891566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor michael, demoted to second craziest palin < 1344895905 307323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: larger than life people don't get to determine their own life facts < 1344895917 221891 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1344895924 682388 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1344895947 461521 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of, I bought three new pairs of colorpants. < 1344896101 907611 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1344896166 358936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What color? < 1344896182 548059 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1344896287 497417 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Orange, light blue and “eggplant” purple. < 1344896361 788641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover, "atriq" is rot13 for ngevd <-- darn i got fooled by the at -> ta switch and thought it would be rot 19 or something for taneb. wait that doesn't work for t -> a either... < 1344896418 352799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume even RocketJSquirrel doesn't want to go for the green lime ones. < 1344896447 846811 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They were on my list 'til I saw the “eggplant” ones. < 1344896453 347994 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they were last on said list. < 1344896463 52302 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hence why they got bumped) < 1344896510 545781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1344896569 823032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did some vesting thing just end or something? < 1344896650 944981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oracle Buys Ksplice", "Jul 21 2011" < 1344896675 365951 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah some of them got some money after 1 year < 1344896703 797823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now there are a bunch of free-floating kspliceurs. < 1344896708 82346 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :others are leaving because their friends are, i imagine < 1344896713 448704 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a coordination problem < 1344896941 3922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :outvesting? < 1344897055 421829 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1344897074 215762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay feedback < 1344897273 580604 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1344897643 537838 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344897957 254714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344898086 114514 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1344898092 22093 :augur!~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344898101 798373 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.whatdomothseat.info/ < 1344898141 752925 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1344898171 955748 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry how are you not realising the wonder here < 1344898286 540826 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1344898396 145700 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/project-giana/project-giana < 1344898451 460836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats FireFly -----###
< 1344898475 541138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1344898510 176831 :augur!~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344898545 206667 :augur!~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344898551 513234 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So in short, what do moths eat? They eat anything that can dissolve in water." < 1344898556 281706 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds wrong. < 1344898558 788262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i note how the sidebar has several other similar sites < 1344898570 858983 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1344898582 877586 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fucking network < 1344898603 559232 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some images taken from Wikipedia under GNU" < 1344898657 607751 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"under GNU" < 1344898662 277553 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how free licenses work, right? "You are free to distribute this work, as long as you mention a couple of free-works projects with prepositions before them." < 1344898708 862261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one nation, under GNU < 1344898788 888825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"under GNU" surely refers to "Among the hunting trophies on the wall above my bed / Stuffed and mounted, was a face I thought I knew" < 1344898808 522859 :augur!~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1344898819 565112 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.215.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, someone else here knows F+S? < 1344898831 56268 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.215.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Agnother gnu!) < 1344898856 87725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think F+S are pretty famous. < 1344898866 680406 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.215.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or less famous than Lehrer? < 1344898907 722943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1344899249 735209 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344899271 877694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnice < 1344899295 332805 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.215.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor am I in the least like that dreadful hartebeest < 1344899665 931271 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1344899686 351388 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344899827 526571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what girl genius is still not updated < 1344900066 456444 :augur!~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344900134 973375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall it used to be up shortly after 05:00 UTC, but lately it seems to update at an irregular time < 1344900159 241341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er 04:00 UTC < 1344900338 540851 :augur!~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344900563 703058 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344901023 934769 :stanley!~stanley@unaffiliated/stanley PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1344901342 984594 :hagb4rd!~pedito@212.23.103.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1344901717 301605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did google's favicon just change? < 1344901724 811788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1344901800 228156 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1344901837 28091 :augur!~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric