00:01:21 oic 00:02:04 hey guys, what's the maximum damage a spider can do to a computer 00:03:38 A big enough spider could eat a small enough computer. 00:04:47 The worst I've seen a spider do is give a BSOD. 00:09:21 -!- oklopol has quit (Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )). 00:12:23 ion: Yes that is possible but probably unlikely 00:12:48 david_werecat: Probably it would if it would get inside the computer. Otherwise probably nothing. 00:16:36 remember the story of where the term "bug" came from 00:16:44 insects in general can do some damage 00:17:16 Yes it can, especially to older computers. 00:17:31 Spiders are not insects but they can probably do the same damage to computers. 00:17:36 if you leave your computer off, and a spider webs up your intake fan... 00:17:37 -!- ais523 has joined. 00:17:48 spiders are arthropods 00:17:55 and arthropods are bugs 00:18:05 But either way it probably won't if it does not get inside the computer. 00:18:21 yeah it'd be tough for a spider to damage a laptop 00:21:58 quintopia: only insects are bugs 00:22:06 FreeFull: lies 00:22:10 Crustaceans are anthropods, would you call them bugs? 00:22:13 yes 00:22:20 shrimp are the ants of the sea 00:22:50 i can picture the whales and dolphins swatting at them like gnats 00:22:57 Shrimp don't have any of the social structure of ants 00:23:01 My mother said the same thing 00:23:07 okay, the gnats of the sea 00:23:18 And don't swarm around whales or dolphins 00:23:36 i'm trying to invoke the smallness and ubiquity of them 00:26:15 you may be thinking of krill 00:26:57 O, yes, it should be krill. 00:27:18 then it's settled. 00:28:31 anyway i have had very little trouble with krill in my laptop. 00:35:39 -!- esowiki has joined. 00:35:40 -!- glogbot has joined. 00:35:40 -!- glogbackup has left. 00:35:43 -!- esowiki has joined. 00:35:44 -!- esowiki has joined. 00:35:45 not in scotland, only in australia. 00:36:35 @wn suppurate 00:36:36 *** "suppurate" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 00:36:36 suppurate 00:36:37 v 1: cause to ripen and discharge pus; "The oil suppurates the 00:36:37 pustules" [syn: {suppurate}, {mature}] 00:36:37 2: ripen and generate pus; "her wounds are festering" [syn: 00:36:38 {fester}, {maturate}, {suppurate}] 00:36:51 * oerjan regrets that already. 00:37:26 Yep, it's like pus. 00:37:32 Blue pus. 00:37:42 Phantom_Hoover: your computer contains one very ill hooloovoo. hth. 00:38:37 what colour is hooloovoo medicine 00:39:56 tricky question 00:41:41 -!- fizzie has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:42:01 they got fizzie too 00:42:01 Dammit fizzie, right when we need you. 00:42:28 nah we need Gregor, he's the color expert 00:42:39 _especially_ alien colors 00:43:10 It's moderate cerise. 00:44:31 excellent http://www.colourlovers.com/color/A01266/Moderate_Cerise 00:45:19 -!- fizzie has joined. 00:45:39 oerjan, nope, it's still leaking blue everywhere. 00:46:04 fizzie, I need you to use your magic colour program to calculate moderate cerise. 00:46:16 Phantom_Hoover: i think hooloovoo medicine needs to be administered using proper prismatic equipment 00:49:02 fizzie, also can you use your wealth of H2G2 knowledge to give me some tips on hooloovoo medicine. 00:52:52 i suspect fizzie might be asleep, filthy european 00:53:30 or wait it's sunday. i suspect fizzie might be out partying, filthy european 00:54:12 hm given he spoke at 0:02, maybe a little unlikely 01:13:13 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:21:34 -!- augur_ has joined. 01:24:03 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:58:41 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 02:01:57 https://github.com/tswett/Smokefly - you know, that commit message is highly misleading. 02:02:04 "Change copyright license from BSD to GNU GPL" 02:02:22 it is 02:02:27 One of the files with that message is the GNU GPL. The GNU GPL was never available under the BSD license, and it is not available under the GNU GPL. 02:02:37 haha 02:02:42 also, just to spite you 02:02:50 ima go grab a copy from just before the license switch 02:02:54 and start coding on it and distributing it 02:02:55 Two of the files with that message are now in the public domain, rather than available under the GNU GPL. 02:03:08 probably untrue 02:03:19 most countries' laws don't have a concept of "public domain" per se 02:03:31 And two of the files with that message are available under the GNU GPL, but still also available under the BSD license, because licenses don't just go away. 02:13:37 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 02:20:59 Why the license switch? 02:40:29 -!- david_werecat has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:42:38 I also want to know why 02:43:00 And why are two of those files in the public domain? 03:19:55 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:47:23 Sgeo: because if people modify it, I want them to release the modified version under the same license. 03:51:22 Am I evil for selling software? 03:52:12 zzo38: because they're not software, and producing them did not require a significant amount of effort. 03:52:14 (Note that this is not a response to your license thing) 03:52:15 Sgeo: not in my opinion. 03:52:59 Although I wonder, if I gave it away back then, would the scourge of poseballs be non-existent? 03:53:47 what's a poseball 03:53:48 -!- augur_ has changed nick to augur. 03:54:26 http://secondlife.wikia.com/wiki/Poseball "A poseball is a common kind of scripted object in Second Life, appearring as a round colored sphere. There purpose is to play an animation on the avatar that sits on them." 03:55:03 ok 03:55:10 ...thanks? 03:55:48 You did ask what a poseball is, and that is the answer. 03:55:51 They annoy me. 03:56:18 I called my product the "antiposeball" 03:56:40 https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Antiposeball-5-SAVE-PRIMS-ON-FURNITURE/219014 04:07:51 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 04:11:51 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 04:16:57 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 04:42:02 -!- mig22 has joined. 05:12:24 -!- ogrom has joined. 05:50:51 22:50 elliott was last seen on #haskell 60 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: teneen: That doesn't really clarify to me. 05:54:05 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 06:08:18 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 06:08:39 -!- ogrom has joined. 07:18:52 I would think one CPU instruction for bitwise calculation should be one like INTERCAL's select operator except that the nonselected bits are just moved instead of deleted. It would be useful for some things and if you have AND/OR/XOR as well, then you could implement some other things with this too. 07:19:00 -!- asiekierka has joined. 07:20:56 Such as if it is a C code binary ~ operator then implement INTERCAL select by ((x~y)&(y~y)) 07:21:06 Another things might be wanted is the Muxcomp stuff. 07:24:16 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 07:25:46 I have written most of a program called Famitile, except: full documentation, load/save in GUI, nametable editor. (Load/save already works for command-line, and you can also use any command-line operation in lastline mode in the GUI, though) 07:29:35 I intend to support both standard nametables and MMC5 nametables. 07:41:34 -!- zzo38 has quit (Quit: Right). 08:13:00 -!- Taneb has joined. 08:39:31 -!- kmc_ has changed nick to kmc. 08:48:19 i propose a railway! 08:50:56 -!- mig22 has quit (Quit: mig22). 08:51:51 high speed line from Helsinki to Tallinn (through a tunnel) and on to Tartu, Riga, Kaunas (with a branch to Vilnius), Białystok, and Warszawa 08:52:59 They sought it with thimbles, they sought it with care; / They pursued it with forks and hope; / They threatened its life with a railway-share; / They charmed it with smiles and soap. 08:55:42 Ah, kmc. Talking about trains even in #mosh. 08:55:48 yep 08:55:52 hey i wasn't the one who brought it up 08:57:36 ok it looks like i am not the only one to propose this railway 08:57:37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_Baltica 09:00:10 kmc: Don't you hate it when you ask a Haskell question and the answer turns out to be the Yoneda lemma? 09:00:28 what's the yoneda lemma again? 09:00:40 16:55 basically the yoneda lemma says in big fancy words that forall r. (a -> r) -> f r is isomorphic to f a 09:00:43 16:57 It basically says something way more general than that. :) 09:00:45 16:58 yes, the actual lemma is much more powerful 09:00:48 16:58 but when translated and embedded in haskell for a 'Functor' with a capital f, thats the takeaway 09:01:17 I feel like I'm missing a whole world of category theory. 09:01:26 More useless than even the most useless Haskell code could ever be. 09:03:39 Norway is called Norvēģija in Latvian? 09:03:45 That's a good name. 09:04:00 kmc: Are you still in the Latvia? 09:06:37 shachaf: yes 09:07:16 going to go AK-47 shooting in a bit 09:07:18 if all goes well 09:07:31 tomorrow i will take a bus to Tallinn and the next day a ferry to Helsinki 09:07:39 you can see why I would be interested in high speed rail in the area! 09:07:58 * kmc wonders if he should join #trains or something 09:08:16 You won't be an op. 09:09:17 so? 09:09:58 So someone has presumably been there before. 09:10:18 Hmm, now ChanServ is in there. Weird. 09:12:08 oh, i just assumed it would be a real channel 09:12:17 now i am disappointed 09:14:17 -!- lin19897485 has joined. 09:15:49 -!- lin19897485 has left. 09:23:35 -!- Eladith has joined. 09:30:32 -!- MoALTz has joined. 09:30:52 latvia.. ah yes. they won the bmx race! 09:44:36 leaving australia with silver 09:44:59 -!- derdon has joined. 10:22:13 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:43:42 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 10:57:11 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 11:09:51 -!- lilja_ has joined. 12:09:16 -!- sirdancealot7 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:17:14 -!- ogrom has joined. 12:29:30 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 12:30:05 -!- Taneb has joined. 12:32:14 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:34:40 -!- ais523 has quit. 12:35:18 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:44:32 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 12:45:17 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 12:56:04 -!- Sgeo has quit (Quit: Leaving). 13:04:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover has left ("Leaving"). 13:04:07 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 13:18:20 -!- david_werecat has joined. 13:19:03 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 14:08:55 -!- david_werecat has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:23:15 -!- elliott has joined. 14:23:16 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11922134/haskell-how-to-increment-i-i1 14:23:21 -!- elliott has left. 14:36:51 -!- lexande_ has joined. 14:37:43 -!- Sgeo has joined. 14:40:23 Leonard Nimoy Laserdisc Demo http://youtu.be/0f3524BQ0Ms 14:47:19 The one answer to that question is brilliantly evil. 14:48:58 yeah 14:49:02 -!- derdon has joined. 14:51:50 The answer to the question is by the person asking the question. 14:53:50 Oh wow you're right, that just makes it even better. 15:00:11 "In the summer of 2012, members of Ansar Dine broke down the doors of the Sidi Yahya Mosque, which according to legend were not to be opened until the Last Days. They claimed that reverence for the site was idolatrous, but offered roughly $100 US dollars to repair the mosque." 15:04:42 Phantom_Hoover: would this be more evil? http://hpaste.org/52268 15:05:43 Uh, maybe from a technical standpoint, but I think the obfuscation makes it less misleading. 15:13:52 -!- Taneb has joined. 15:14:16 maybe i should contribute to haskell stack overflow more 15:14:28 SO improves on IRC with respect to the things i complain about #haskell 15:29:15 haha 15:50:55 -!- sirdancealot7 has joined. 15:55:14 kmc: Did the legend specified what would happen if the doors were to open? 15:56:08 no idea 15:58:53 " it takes a lot of time and practice to think functional instead of imperative." 15:59:07 Weird, as soon as I saw functional programming, I didn't have much trouble comprehending it 16:01:35 But then, I had really good resources about it at hand 16:04:35 https://twitter.com/SarcasticRover/status/234677032456450048 16:07:12 FreeFull: how much imperative programming had you done before that? 16:07:18 the two aren't really in opposition either 16:07:30 combining functional and imperative techniques is very powerful 16:07:36 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 16:07:39 not just "this part is functional, that part is imperative" but actually using them together 16:07:42 hello hello 16:07:50 hello test person 16:08:22 hello algorithm 16:08:47 unfortunately I should lookup what the KMC algorithm did again :( 16:09:38 knuth - morris - carlsberg 16:10:20 something with substrings I recall 16:10:44 FreeFull: popular languages force you to use mutable variables even when it's not conceptually necessary 16:10:48 or anyway they make it cumbersome to do otherwise 16:11:06 so people get used to thinking in terms of mutable variables, when there is often a simpler explanation in terms of immutable values 16:11:40 good programmers and good languages transcend "paradigm" and let you use whichever style(s) are appropriate 16:14:23 butts 16:14:40 kmc: that seems like the reason why I dislike to use Java 16:15:12 yes 16:15:16 Java is the #1 culprit here 16:15:30 the style Java forces on you is appropriate for some tasks 16:15:34 but Java forces it for every task 16:16:03 Java sort of exists to tie the hands of good programmers while preventing bad programmers from doing too much damage 16:16:19 in order to make creating boring business software a more repeatable process 16:16:59 what I dislike in Java code a lot for example is an "Utility class" 16:17:55 kmc: My first language was C 16:18:04 And I still use C widely 16:18:31 AnotherTest: yeah 16:18:39 it's funny because people hold up Java as the pinnacle of OOP 16:18:49 indeed 16:18:50 Lol 16:18:57 Java as pinnacle of OOP 16:19:02 but OOP philosophy would say you should creat objects which model your problem domain 16:19:05 Smalltalk is the pinnacle 16:19:12 Hm. 16:19:21 Racket is okish 16:19:23 whereas in Java you need all these nonsense classes which represent things that would be basic control flow elements in another language 16:20:18 shrug 16:20:21 this is a canned rant of mine 16:20:24 not saying anything new 16:20:31 today i went shooting guns for the first time 16:20:41 fired a Glock 17, an AK-103, and a pump action shotgun 16:20:46 sadly the AK was semiauto only 16:20:55 i think it is probably very dangerous to let untrained shooters fire full auto 16:27:29 This day is called the feast of Crispia 16:27:30 n 16:27:42 He that outlives this day and comes safe home 16:27:56 Will stand tiptoe when this day is named 16:28:11 And rouse him at the name of Crispian 16:28:24 He that shall see this day and live to old age 16:28:37 Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours 16:28:56 And say "Tomorrow is St Crispian" 16:29:18 Then he will strip his sleeve and show his scars 16:29:39 And say "These wounds I got on St Crispian" 16:36:06 taneb 16:36:26 Willt thou draw near the nature of the gods? 16:36:47 Draw near them then 16:36:52 in being merciful 16:37:46 sorry that I could not reply to your earlier Richard II 16:37:54 my connection was bad 16:38:15 THATS NOT IN THE PLAY 16:38:36 I'm more of an Oscar Wilde fan, anyway 16:39:59 Anyway, I'm off now 16:40:02 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Dinner). 16:53:47 kmc: It's very dangerous to let untrained people shoot any gun 16:54:25 Other than as part of training, with someone watching over them 16:55:59 sure 16:56:03 i mean, this was kind of training 16:56:08 there was a person there telling us what to do 16:56:39 i think it is probably very dangerous to let untrained shooters fire full auto 16:56:59 it still seemed pretty lax compared to what i imagine a first gun course in the USA is like 16:57:02 but maybe i imagine wrong 16:57:12 I thought full-auto was, like, not useful. 16:57:15 Or something. 16:57:27 yeah 16:57:32 after a few rounds your aim is way off 16:57:42 Yes, that one. 16:57:43 it's still useful for suppression fire though 16:57:45 i imagine 16:57:50 (don't actually know anything) 16:57:57 i think most militaries encourage the use of 3-round bursts 16:59:13 also full auto is good for indiscriminately murdering protesters 17:02:17 dinner bbl 17:08:07 -!- lexande_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 17:10:32 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:13:28 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:18:11 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 17:22:58 -!- AnotherTest1 has joined. 17:23:12 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:23:20 -!- AnotherTest1 has changed nick to AnotherTest. 17:28:30 -!- pikhq has joined. 17:28:53 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 17:39:59 "There, I just saved you 1 day of WHAAAAAAAAA!" good summary 17:41:13 Oh, great, now someone’s advocating the shadowing of variables. 17:42:20 And someone else NIH’d lenses in shkler answer. 17:42:33 maybe he means he saved it on stack overflow so that if we ever need "1 day of WHAAAAAAAAA!" we know where to find it 18:09:03 Shadowing is basically mutation. 18:09:16 Why should I have to write my program in SSA form? That's what my compiler is for! 18:12:03 * shachaf tries to wake up. 18:12:16 -!- asiekierka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:17:25 -!- Taneb has joined. 18:37:37 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 18:39:41 -!- david_werecat has joined. 18:51:47 -!- TeruFSX_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 19:03:02 -!- zzo38 has joined. 19:29:48 I cannot beat BUZZSAW MCGRAW 19:30:11 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 19:42:44 hichaf 19:43:11 zzo38, is the problem you need to learn the power of friendship? 19:43:51 I doubt that will make any difference here 19:47:52 kmc: hi 19:48:25 * shachaf is about to go off to Berkeley. Will be back $SOMETIME. 19:48:33 ooh what's in berkeley 19:49:00 -!- cheater has joined. 19:49:03 $PLAY, $FRIEND, etc. 19:50:45 have fun playing with your friend 19:58:59 -!- lexande_ has joined. 20:01:46 hi lexande_ 20:02:09 hi kmc 20:03:21 I have discussed and changed my digital video signal design to use single signals instead of pairs, so that it has four red, four green, four blue, one clock, one synchronize, one power, and the rest ground, using a twenty-pin cable. The aspect ratio is always a power of 4:3. 20:04:58 So this means two clocks per pixel. A screen of half a pixel means to turn off the picture. 20:07:28 zzo38, power of love? 20:08:00 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 20:09:53 -!- lexande_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 20:13:41 Tabeb: ? 20:13:42 -!- david_werecat has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 20:18:27 zzo38: The world has pretty much moved to packet-based serial buses even with video. 20:26:16 -!- lexande_ has joined. 20:27:02 zzo38, maybe to defeat Buzzsaw McGraw you first need to defeat yourself 20:33:33 Taneb: I do not get an option to fight myself, it just lists the valid opponents (which changes sometimes) and then you have to pick one. So, there is no option to fight yourself. 20:33:52 zzo38, I'm pretending this is a movie for fun 20:34:02 And I'm your mentor figure or something 20:34:10 OK 20:35:14 ion: What clock speed is needed for that? I think my format is simple and is better. 20:35:52 -!- lexande_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 20:39:59 zzo38: DisplayPort supports other color spaces than just the limited sRGB, other aspect ratios than just 4:3, stereoscopic images etc. and you can carry protocols such as USB, Ethernet and PCIe over it as well. Wikipedia says the widest and fastest DisplayPort bus achieves 17.28 Gbit/s 20:41:21 Also, better color resolutions than whatever your limit is. 20:41:43 I think that is too complicated. My system does support aspect ratios other than 4:3 as long as they are a power of 4:3 (so 1:1 and 16:9 are also accepted), but data is only one way, which has some advantages. 20:42:35 My system is 2 clocks per pixel, so it is 24-bit color. 20:43:13 The most common aspect ratios for movies nowadays are 1.85:1 and 2.39:1. 20:45:24 Why? Well, they can still be used just make part of the screen black (can also be used for status information). 20:47:35 TV screens are going to be 4:3 or 16:9 anyways, and you can use 64:27 if necessary. 20:48:35 But this digital RGB system is also mostly for computers rather than TV, anyways, even though it can be implemented on TV screens too. 20:51:24 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:25:15 -!- FreeFull has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 21:26:37 -!- FreeFull has joined. 21:29:27 zzo38: recognizing a distinction between TVs and computer monitors seems extremely quaint 21:30:03 That reminds me, I need a new computer monitor 21:30:37 Mine is a) 12 years old, and b) broken 21:32:55 TVs have hardware to allow you to watch images and listen to sounds sent over radio waves 21:33:47 CRT TVs don't really have the concept of a pixel, LCD and plasma TVs tend to have bigger pixels than computer monitors 21:34:15 FreeFull: A modern TV has hardware to allow you to watch an MPEG-2 bitstream sent over radio waves. 21:34:33 -!- oerjan has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:34:48 pikhq: Which still counts as images and sounds sent over radio waves 21:34:53 The encoding doesn't matter 21:34:54 As well as hardware to watch a framebuffer sent via HDMI. 21:35:08 Whereas a computer monitor just has hardware to watch a framebuffer sent via HDMI. 21:35:50 what about wireless HDMI 21:35:56 what about streaming MPEG streams over wifi 21:36:37 Dear god I suck at pop culture 21:36:45 also i've seen things which are marketed primarily as computer monitors (small, high dpi) but have a tuner built in 21:38:20 pikhq: Not necessarily HDMI 21:38:24 Could be DVI or VGA 21:38:45 FreeFull: Or CGA? 21:38:49 You could connect old TVs to computers using S-VIDEO 21:39:02 pikhq: VGA still gets used =P 21:39:19 My desktop's monitor has a VGA port and DVI port 21:39:38 Yeah, but it's increasingly outdated... 21:40:25 HDMI and DVI use the same kind of signal so you can buy simple plugs that convert between the two 21:40:37 that's not entirely true 21:40:47 it's more like, HDMI devices are able to downgrade to the DVI protocol 21:40:49 i thought 21:40:53 VGA is still common 21:41:00 at least, in my experience 21:41:09 Well, I do think it doesn't work for encrypted stuff 21:41:14 But yeah 21:41:15 I know you need not distinguish between TV/computer, but you can if you want to. But some devices can act as both. 21:41:25 This laptop has HDMI and VGA ports 21:41:37 I guess DVI is too big of a port for laptop nowadays 21:41:51 Despite my laptop from 2005 having enough space for a printer port 21:41:57 thinkpads ship with displayport now 21:41:59 it's not that it's too big, it's just that it's uncommon 21:42:11 macs have their own micro-displayport or whatever 21:42:15 at least, in the average of all laptops that see use 21:42:22 VGA is still the common denominator for presentation projectors 21:42:26 coppro: I never saw a monitor with HDMI rather than DVI 21:42:32 DisplayPort is nice 21:42:33 But I guess I'm outdated 21:42:38 FreeFull: I was referring to VGA 21:42:46 FreeFull: that's because if it had HDMI, you would call it a television 21:42:46 ;P 21:42:56 Wow, on the inside of my mind I've had George Michael mixed up with Guy Fieri all along 21:42:57 HDMI costs extra $$ because of HDCP 21:43:00 Modern TV sets take too long for turning on 21:43:18 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Quit: hagb4rd). 21:43:22 kmc: HDMI 1.0 is nothing more than DVI-D with a smaller connector and support in the protocol for audio packets. 21:43:22 for a while i ran my monitors through a long DVI-HDMI cable with a HDMI-DVI adapter on one end 21:43:30 thus making a DVI-DVI cable 21:44:02 This explains a lot 21:44:04 true story 21:44:08 Well, it doesn't. 21:44:09 then i found five dollars 21:44:10 I don't like those kinds of display signal (DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort, ATSC) they are complicated and encrypted and have patent issues and so on. 21:44:20 DVI isn't 21:44:21 I don't really care who either of those people are 21:44:23 at least, not usually 21:44:24 it can be 21:44:32 same with DisplayPort aiui 21:44:35 Taneb: what about George Michael Bluth 21:44:39 zzo38: Technically, HDCP is optional on DVI, HDMI, and DisplayPort. 21:44:47 in practice, HDCP is not optional on HDMI 21:44:47 kmc, I care about him even less 21:44:52 zzo38: And ATSC is perfectly in the clear. 21:45:30 Some feature I dislike about ATSC is not only the video/audio codecs, I also dislike virtual channel numbers. 21:45:47 It's not even a ludicrously complicated display signal: it's an MPEG transport stream with quadrature amplitude modulation. 21:47:40 Then why is it so slow? Or is ATSC not what makes it slow? 21:47:44 You could connect old TVs to computers using S-VIDEO” I have a computer connected to my main monitor using S-Video. 21:48:13 zzo38: Yeah, that's a fairly *weird* UI mapping of the fact that a given radio allocation broadcasts its own radio stream, and we call those "channels", and that a given MPEG transport stream can have multiple programs in it, and we would also call those "channels"... 21:48:17 zzo38: *Everything* has patent issues. Hello World probably has patent issues. 21:48:26 zzo38: ATSC isn't inherently very slow. 21:48:46 Software patents shouldn't exist 21:48:47 pikhq: Then it must be something else that makes it slow, such as having an operating system or something like that 21:49:00 zzo38: Well. Before you can begin displaying you need to wait for a key frame, but that is literally *all* the lag there is. 21:49:23 Even I have a VCR/DVD combination including ATSC, and it is very slow even if ATSC is not being used. 21:49:49 zzo38: The issue is that a lot of embedded software is developed by idiots. 21:50:05 Which is how we get TVs with bootup times. 21:50:11 O, yes, maybe that is what makes it slow. 21:50:45 Because they run Linux, and... I guess use a "normal" init scheme? 21:50:52 (Btw, Commodore 64’s almost-S-Video output has *much* better quality than its composite output. That probably applies to all S-Video and equivalent composite signals, but C64 is the only thing whose outputs i’ve compared.) 21:51:16 ion: That should be true of any comparison between something with S-Video and composite out. 21:52:15 Yes it is what I said I think running an operating system (whether it is Linux, Windows, or something else) would make it slow. 21:52:45 I guess an RGB or YPbPr output would have much better quality again. 21:52:45 zzo38: A Linux system *can* boot in a second or so if you know what you're doing. 21:52:48 zzo38: They don't. 21:53:03 I think one of the fastest operating system is DOS, and there is FreeDOS as well which is also fast. 21:53:15 ion: S-Video has luma on one wire and chroma on another, so you don't have to do any filtering on the signal to get luma and chroma. 21:53:38 ion: Also, S-Video has more bandwidth, so you inherently get a better signal. 21:53:39 pikhq: Doesn’t the chroma wire encode two signals using modulation? 21:53:54 ion: Yes, U and V. 21:54:11 Split that into two wires without modulation, i’d expect to see a better picture still. 21:54:20 Yeah, that's called component video. 21:54:39 So are RGB and YPbPr, that’s why i mentioned them. :-P 21:54:40 And it does give you better picture still. 21:55:08 Specifically, that's YPbPr component video. 21:55:25 zzo38: DOS doesn't imply MS-DOS 21:55:47 FreeFull: I know, it can be FreeDOS as well, which is just as fast as MS-DOS. 21:57:00 QDOS, DR-DOS, PC-DOS, PTR-DOS, ROM-DOS, Novell DOS, OpenDOS, many others because a DOS is easy to write 21:57:47 Well, yeah; DOS is little more than a standard library, a shell, and a couple utilities. 21:58:08 echo, copy, prompt, etc 21:59:41 AmigaDOS 22:03:47 AmigaDOS had different commands and syntax 22:04:54 -!- monqy has joined. 22:14:18 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 22:16:43 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 22:18:28 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 22:20:39 Do you know any open source software for emulating NTSC color artifacts? 22:22:24 I suppose it wouldn’t be too difficult to write a GLSL shader for that. 22:40:47 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 22:45:30 -!- lilja_ has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 23:00:09 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 23:04:15 Oops I found something wrong with MediaWiki when cutting off text in the search results it cut off in the middle of a UTF-8 code 23:10:19 -!- derdon has joined. 23:11:38 http://imgur.com/OcBuk 23:11:42 deserts! \o/ 23:14:08 Hooray for desolation! 23:14:18 Gregor: hooray for mars :) 23:14:48 Huh. I really wouldn't have guessed. *shrugs* 23:15:56 :) 23:16:17 Moar: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/ 23:16:17 theres something intense about seeing something so mundane 23:16:22 and knowing its on another planet 23:18:44 augur: I was trying to find a way to express exactly that, and you've done a better job of it. 23:19:30 Gregor: you're the third person to tell me that 23:20:31 Huh. Well, here's something intense from right here on planet Earth: http://youtu.be/pkV6hX66HO0 http://youtu.be/FvNmA7FSCW0 23:33:37 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:38:13 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:40:28 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 23:42:24 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds).