< 1344384027 411102 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used TH though, so what do I know
< 1344384484 708536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then fix it
< 1344384541 340154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, Haskell doesn't do very good thing such as macro and so on.
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< 1344386586 244909 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should make a Taxicheat language -- a way to write Taxi programs without dealing with the stuff that makes Taxi interesting.
< 1344386595 830409 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiler written in Prolog of course.
< 1344386630 657764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pirate taxi
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< 1344386928 396325 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either I'm misunderstanding Logtalk, or they actually managed to create an "OO" system that is ZERO DISPATCH
< 1344386930 120982 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wtfs
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< 1344387121 222859 :AlsoFreeFull!~bot@host-89-243-36-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So guys
< 1344387126 717025 :AlsoFreeFull!~bot@host-89-243-36-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My S-Lang IRC client works :D
< 1344387136 252568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an imposter!
< 1344387194 849446 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's me
< 1344387215 32530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a clone!
< 1344387219 766006 :AlsoFreeFull!~bot@host-89-243-36-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1344387230 169096 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S-Lang?
< 1344387252 345631 :AlsoFreeFull!~bot@host-89-243-36-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jedsoft.org/slang/
< 1344387262 785260 :AlsoFreeFull!~bot@host-89-243-36-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste2.org/p/2097935 My source code so far
< 1344387274 475391 :AlsoFreeFull!~bot@host-89-243-36-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit ugly but works
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< 1344387342 152744 :AlsoFreeFull!~bot@host-89-243-36-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can worry about making it pretty and sparkly later
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< 1344389493 865042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Where are you these days?
< 1344389547 515073 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/fivethirtyeight whatthefuck
< 1344389798 2372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 2.5 feet -> cm
< 1344389809 963688 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :76.2
< 1344389871 877569 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey wait guys remember when I said the computer on Apollo 11 had 2800 NOR gates?
< 1344389883 757232 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just reread the WP article and actually it had 5600.
< 1344389914 64270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess you were half right.
< 1344389923 774031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read about the game I invented that is using snooker balls? Is there anything wrong with the rules?
< 1344389984 277052 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it snooker
< 1344389990 25042 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they already have that
< 1344390080 225885 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: link
< 1344390084 241008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is a different game, with the same equipment.
< 1344390099 407057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0textfile/gamerules/00001   and   http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/textfile/gamerules/00001   are both valid links to plain text
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< 1344390139 252609 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but no one in this channel except you uses gopher
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< 1344390238 771898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :huintopia
< 1344390311 660666 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...http it is
< 1344390325 111553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :s
< 1344390331 801803 :s!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :shachaf
< 1344390537 363573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can access them both from the command-line too; they are not HTML
< 1344390566 441202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the guy to made CLC-INTERCAL uses gopher too
< 1344390590 844328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think his gopher is IPv6 only)
< 1344390624 989428 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what if a frame never ends
< 1344390669 149457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Read the rules carefully; I think these rules will ensure that a frame will always eventually end.
< 1344390679 909547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:49 <zzo38> (I think his gopher is IPv6 only)
< 1344390686 20205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether that sentence has ever been said before.
< 1344390692 24559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One way it will end is if all the players are out.)
< 1344390692 649960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@remember zzo38 (I think his gopher is IPv6 only)
< 1344390693 118051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is stored.
< 1344390733 249248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what if the players never get out
< 1344390741 17367 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1344390755 348511 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, pros would be really good at staying in
< 1344390789 572306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: If there is a foul, the players will be out. And if the balls are placed such that they have to be played again, it is a foul. So if the balls have to be played again enough times, there will be enough fouls that you will have to be out eventually.
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< 1344390850 23906 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that isnt what came across in the reading. is there no penalty for that kind of foul?
< 1344390875 119575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The penalty is the same for all fouls.
< 1344390920 777745 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wouldnt the scores of pros be consistently negative? it seems like you stand to lose more than you stand to gain in a frame
< 1344391094 452303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A ball will only be played if it is in the baulk or off the table. And if something causes a ball which is on the table to be moved there, it is a foul. If there are ten fouls total by one player during a game, that player is out. Therefore, a frame cannot last an unlimited number of turns.
< 1344391109 897404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that a pro would not foul unless it is deliberate.
< 1344391113 416428 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks like, since a frame cant end until potentially tons of fouls are made, most of the time all the players but one will end up out of the game before even the first couple of frames have passed
< 1344391133 90142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; a frame ends when there are no more balls to play.
< 1344391142 239081 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1344391143 126388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although maybe I should change it so that potting a ball belonging to an out player is not a foul.)
< 1344391176 396868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if there are no fouls, then there will be exactly six turns per frame.
< 1344391193 856853 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1344391196 613968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1344391211 242188 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might help if i knew what the snooker terms meant
< 1344391257 175445 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if certain fouls do occur, then the frame goes on longer
< 1344391312 585645 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, as long as they are the fouls described by this text. (Other fouls, such as touching the balls by hand when these rules do not specify you are allowed to, are grounds for disqualification if done deliberately.)
< 1344391516 191312 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully it is understood now? Is there any suggestion about how to adjust it to make the text clearer, if it seems unclear?
< 1344391824 557071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have already made a few changes.
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< 1344393715 667884 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did that come from?
< 1344393731 472092 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow, there's 3 more episodes!
< 1344393814 499385 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of?
< 1344393829 57662 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MLP:FiM
< 1344393873 297053 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1344393875 8042 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq
< 1344393878 172564 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they got you too
< 1344393903 695162 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The emasculation plague is not yet complete!
< 1344393907 593708 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOIN US!
< 1344393930 320354 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry no I have to BLOW UP SOME KITTENS WITH A MOTORBIKE
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< 1344395599 496286 :Poniest!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Uhh, how exactly did you miss three episodes?
< 1344395648 274147 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poniest: I don't know!
< 1344395659 529112 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I skipped from S1E23 to S2E2 though.
< 1344395673 538130 :Poniest!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You missed the season opener?!?!?
< 1344395678 787982 :Poniest!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MISSED ~spoiler~?!?!?!
< 1344395679 881972 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that was a typo.
< 1344395686 633644 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I skipped from S1E23 to S2E1.
< 1344395719 389432 :Poniest!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You missed Party of One?!?!
< 1344395726 217846 :Poniest!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1's best episode arguably!
< 1344395730 920258 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm watching it presently.
< 1344395742 279290 :Poniest!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then I'll leave you to it!
< 1344395796 957461 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yeah, no worries, I'm rectifying the mistake.
< 1344395803 438451 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just WTF how did I do that.
< 1344395820 313261 :Poniest!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well at least you didn't miss Equestria's Q.
< 1344395833 894087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poniest: Do you ever have the same nick twice?
< 1344395834 120055 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly not.
< 1344395837 554714 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So very Q.
< 1344395842 61917 :Poniest!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm frequently Gregor.
< 1344395863 717455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poniest: I know.
< 1344395865 481744 :Poniest!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was consistently Gregor for like two years.
< 1344395866 143473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except not really.
< 1344395873 536049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consistency was good!
< 1344395876 900587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What became of consistency?
< 1344395881 28440 :Poniest!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ponies.
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< 1344397341 843116 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good episode.
< 1344398322 101753 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've got something that is semi-usable as an IRC client
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< 1344398330 593092 :AlsoFreeFull!~irc@host-89-243-36-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
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< 1344399442 581203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What things do you mean?
< 1344399595 323361 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-251-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. MLP fails the reverse Bechdel test with regularity
< 1344399602 147412 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-251-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now *there's* a rarity for you.
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< 1344402239 683398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean?
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< 1344402789 279095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MLP fails the reverse Bechdel test with regularity".....I fail to understand what that means.
< 1344402810 629939 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344402853 425184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I looked it up in Wikipedia now so I know what Bechdel test means but I still fail to understand your statement.
< 1344402905 186427 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse Bechdel test would be like the Bechdel test but with men
< 1344402921 104908 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1344402922 485740 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversed
< 1344402926 899876 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever reversed means
< 1344403599 487436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know I think my recording of the Dungeons&Dragons game fails the Bechdel test (even the non-strict version) despite one of the players being female (her character is a male human).
< 1344403664 410279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/male human/male human fighter/
< 1344404312 650275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Fukumoto's stories rarely have any women at all, mostly because he is bad at drawing women.
< 1344404863 523418 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344405487 591061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In his manga "Akagi", there is only one woman in the entire series who only appears once as the owner of a store selling cigarettes.
< 1344406770 595615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "Anarcho-Totalitarian"?
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< 1344410339 710496 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/SarcasticRover
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< 1344417162 99334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you know about llvm-mc?
< 1344417402 174002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. echo '0xcd 0x80' | llvm-mc -disassemble; echo 'int $0x80' | llvm-mc -assemble -show-encoding; etc.
< 1344417496 796454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's more of a magic trick if you already have LLVM installed, like I did.)
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< 1344419417 400342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have nasm/ndisasm-based script for that. (It's not as convenient because it refuses to deal with FIFOs.)
< 1344419707 383321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know.
< 1344419720 203027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm-mc also does a bunch of other useful things.
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< 1344420030 768471 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
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< 1344424076 461289 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1344424076 980543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
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< 1344429899 459386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Raymond Chen>  I followed up: "Well, in that case, why are we asked to evaluate you every year on whether your actions are planful? How can we answer a question that uses a made-up word nobody knows the definition of?" 
< 1344429922 929299 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344430060 781342 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the circle-ellipse problem could be solved with an Oval class
< 1344430072 151975 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not ever having done significant amounts of OO programming
< 1344430146 213942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I think the only "correct" solution involves SymmetricalEllipse and NotNecessarilySymmetricalEllipse classes with a common base
< 1344430148 984805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's ridiculous
< 1344430175 102930 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1344430185 398473 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna stick with Haskell for now
< 1344430189 829022 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy to understand
< 1344430215 184473 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, I understand it to a level where I can understand new concepts common within Haskell with relative ease)
< 1344430384 639989 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, I don't think that any companies are inherently evil anymore.
< 1344430409 354111 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some are nasty, and some I'd boycott, and some I can't name any good things that they've done
< 1344430417 436721 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But any company has at least the potential to do good
< 1344430434 418577 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other other news, I'm gonna get some lunch, then some guitar hero, then walk my dog
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< 1344432018 244865 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XPCE is horrifically ugly
< 1344432027 211872 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like it's as ugly as Tk used to be.
< 1344432799 543281 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :who uses prolog anyway
< 1344432804 962999 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :universities?
< 1344433320 13828 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to use Prolog
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< 1344434016 9052 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course Oleg would do Prolog stuff.
< 1344434020 159452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads
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< 1344435203 489555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who want to annoy Perl programmers by using the same file extension.
< 1344435252 829193 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've set up my vim to highlight perl as prolog
< 1344435290 601040 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, I don't read perl so it took a long while to realize there was a file extension collision
< 1344435335 799684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't they write first Erlang implementations in Prolog, or something like that? 
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< 1344437591 356774 :Poniest!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor
< 1344437834 747959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<olsner> luckily, I don't read perl so it took a long while to realize there was a file extension collision <-- you don't read Perl because it's incorrectly syntax highlighted as Prolog? :P
< 1344437851 448958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Erlang was invented by Prolog fans, so quite likely
< 1344437857 124654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it explains the syntax similarities)
< 1344438193 591577 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1344439119 65561 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1344439195 8190 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every single Prolog thread everywhere has someone simple stating either "No." or "Yes.". This statement will be well-regarded.
< 1344439200 866599 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*simply
< 1344439287 840893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1344439357 484996 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1344439399 596015 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless
< 1344439463 567114 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't read perl because perl
< 1344439540 260127 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that would be "No." because a positive reply will come with assignments of variables rather than "yes", and you can get many positive replies
< 1344439569 713958 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and after the last positive reply, you might see a "No." to say there are no more answers)
< 1344439595 91161 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could have sworn I saw a Yes. once (not in Prolog but as a post)
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< 1344439634 865903 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is possible
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< 1344439728 482582 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :Poniest
< 1344439773 37912 :Poniest!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor
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< 1344441334 659004 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1344441348 462243 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear half the time I just say "Hello" and leave 10 minutes later...
< 1344441407 614021 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If I make a bot that kickbans anyone who says just "hi" or "hello" (plus punctuation), will you op it for me?
< 1344441475 911340 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, that sounds fun
< 1344441616 134699 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds dangerous
< 1344441692 498969 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and maybe it would be prudent to only do it for regulars... newcomers saying hi would instead be greeted with `welcome (or `WELCOME in case they say HI)
< 1344441724 64733 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO MERCY
< 1344441725 603896 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the welcome text would warn them that further greetings will result in a kickban
< 1344441732 7598 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
< 1344441877 734807 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long is the ban? permanent?
< 1344441898 268669 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retroactive and permanent. They're wiped from the logs and our collective memories.
< 1344441904 661953 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're effectively removed from existence.
< 1344441910 742072 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: bye bye
< 1344441923 390189 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, isn't there a doctor who gadget that can remove people like that?
< 1344441925 268771 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1344441941 473660 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yeah, but it doesn't work
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< 1344444312 613828 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( at spontaneous disconnect
< 1344444316 574057 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there a netsplit?
< 1344444383 264771 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: looks like only you split from the net
< 1344444403 674536 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only Freenode
< 1344444458 939430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hi
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< 1344444672 671938 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: umlbox's /dev/urandom is not very random.
< 1344444687 852087 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about /dev/random ?
< 1344444692 998826 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow
< 1344444707 5663 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmm, yeah, I suppose it wouldn't b.
< 1344444707 870473 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be
< 1344444715 997835 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that because it initializes the kernel on each command that /dev/urandom hasn't had enough time to seed from /dev/random
< 1344444722 89281 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1344444735 996132 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case what does it seed with?
< 1344444793 223422 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were /dev/urandom and didn't have a random seed, I'd use system clock.
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< 1344445122 460034 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo i reached the canyon
< 1344445185 680970 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Instead of a gadget you can just destroy the universe and throw them into a time crack
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< 1344446211 263476 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Gregor's new bot here yet
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< 1344453147 251566 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what annoys me?
< 1344453156 333936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know?
< 1344453160 675695 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most common abbreviation for the cosecant function
< 1344453164 935198 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cosec"
< 1344453170 39099 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the others are three letters!
< 1344453175 566353 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does cosec have to be special!
< 1344453186 775002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used "csc" for cosecant
< 1344453198 622628 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used "cec"
< 1344453221 699362 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll switch to "csc" because consistency is the father of utility
< 1344453223 425517 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something
< 1344453386 30824 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Mozart/Oz dead?
< 1344453432 61222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :csc(x) = 1/sin(x)?
< 1344453435 217813 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1344453444 562257 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why call that cosecant and not secant?
< 1344453473 794781 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's the categoric dual to the inverse of the categoric dual of sine?
< 1344453475 262305 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno
< 1344453490 26202 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is category theory even relevant here? I don't think it is
< 1344453507 887352 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because edwardk named them?
< 1344453523 379719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen "csc" somewhere.
< 1344453549 168381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The cosecant csc(A), or cosec(A)", says Wikipedia, sort-of implying that csc is more common, since it's first.
< 1344453585 659216 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was basing what I view as common as what my text books and my teachers use, even after I complained?
< 1344453591 214197 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, small sample size
< 1344453594 702877 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps of 1
< 1344453625 942862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you know how to emulate ZZT percussion sound on NES/Famicom?
< 1344453634 816395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consistency-wise, though, you could also argue that since "sin", "cos", "tan", "sec" and "cot" are all directly the first three letter, the same kind of scheme must extend to the cosecant, and since "cos" is already taken, more letters are needed.
< 1344453635 559385 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple answer, no
< 1344453663 675689 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ @zzo38 
< 1344453677 620343 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that's what my teacher said
< 1344453678 865121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have always used "csc" for cosecant
< 1344453782 448756 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also annoying how the internet seems to decline latin nouns in a different order to me
< 1344453811 343712 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do Nom, Voc, Acc, Gen, Dat, Abl. Wiktionary etc do Nom, Gen, I lost interest
< 1344454187 323309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You said fopen_s can do locking, right?
< 1344454218 185945 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/z5hh6ee9%28v=vs.80%29.aspx
< 1344454225 643182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm already reading that. : (
< 1344454242 542652 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all I know.
< 1344454256 974836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's nothing about locking on that page at all. :/
< 1344454281 548628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hmm, wait, doesn't Windows lock all opened files, or something?)
< 1344454304 569493 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Files opened by fopen_s and _wfopen_s are not sharable. If you require that a file be sharable, use _fsopen, _wfsopen with the appropriate sharing mode constant (for example, _SH_DENYNO for read/write sharing)."
< 1344454349 820784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
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< 1344454454 649980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this fcntl locking thing is at all portable.
< 1344454896 799614 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What about arctangent?
< 1344454925 26450 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or hyperbolic trigonometric functions?
< 1344454945 933991 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :acosech
< 1344454979 919485 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :arccotangent
< 1344455014 713662 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't the c's crash flailingly into eachother and merge?
< 1344455018 751895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: The abbreviations for those that I've seen (arcsin, arccos, arctan, arccot, arcsec, arccsc) are still first-letters based. (Well, except for the 'csc' in arccsc.)
< 1344455048 838345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Admittedly sometimes it's just the 'a'.)
< 1344455051 209398 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've been taught to use cot^-1
< 1344455055 453870 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1344455069 347641 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or use something like $\rm csc^{-1}$
< 1344455095 562969 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :arctan is useful when you want to create a textured tunnel
< 1344455137 224021 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arctan is useful when you want to work out x in 0.2 = tan(x)
< 1344455229 10293 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use arctan to get the x coordinate of the texture
< 1344455243 569680 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 1/sqrt(x*x+y*y) for the y coordinate
< 1344455249 423074 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bam
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< 1344456799 744691 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://aiju.de/up/catabuse.png
< 1344457038 220796 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :things I will never understand: how to build debian packages
< 1344457227 772497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: sometimes those are different when a program treats pipes and files differently, though.
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< 1344457276 705557 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I managed to build a debian package with an added patch, but I guess what happened was just that my RAM got corrupted in the form of a set of working .deb files
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< 1344457716 77373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<olsner> Sgeo: that would be "No." because a positive reply will come with assignments of variables rather than "yes", and you can get many positive replies
< 1344457727 888061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you have a query without variables?
< 1344457742 580085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Yes. is used then.
< 1344457778 92652 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SWI-Prolog seems to go with true and false, not Yes and No :(
< 1344457790 965103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although theoretically you could still backtrack into it...
< 1344457817 595561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might also distinguish if there are no backtracking points, i guess.
< 1344457857 640519 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there could be side effects that you want to backtrack past
< 1344457885 956561 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay printf debugging
< 1344457912 121529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall Mercury has an entire set of declarations for whether predicates have single or multiple possible output, and in which directions data can flow.
< 1344457912 347967 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog needs a purity thing, similiar to.... hmm, Mercury has a mechanism, but Mercury's too static-y for my tastes
< 1344457920 592654 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: With grep,   just   grep "something" files
< 1344457929 904682 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < necessary
< 1344458026 251961 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Also sometimes you do cat something, see that it's too much data, and attach grep at the end because it's less typing than erasing the line and typing in the "proper" command
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< 1344458286 885318 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like Mercury a lot if it were more interactive
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< 1344460542 109833 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it really that unreasonable to want to make programs in Prolog that don't especially appeal to Prolog's strengths?
< 1344461001 748449 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't _quite_ get how you can make an executable header such that you can just concatenate it and data that it supports to get another executable.
< 1344461018 552731 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Prolog does it, and SBCL does it.
< 1344461023 868427 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, SWI-Prolog
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< 1344461159 821749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well assuming the header needs only to refer to the _beginning_ of the data part, its position would be known...
< 1344461267 208942 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if PrologNomic would be interesting.
< 1344461270 391303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, the executable part might just reread the original file
< 1344461288 662266 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A SWI-Prolog runtime executable is a file consisting of two parts. The first part is the emulator, which is machine-dependent. The second part is the resource archive, which contains the compiled program in a machine-independent format..."
< 1344461303 635244 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.swi-prolog.org/pldoc/doc_for?object=section(1,'10',swi('/doc/Manual/runtime.html'))
< 1344461365 844825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it might even use either option, dependent on what the format of the machine supports
< 1344461436 40259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws a red cut at oerjan 
< 1344461468 278816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that's really required is some way to have an executable ending with an unknown length part without influencing the previous ones
< 1344461607 282714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the loader puts it somewhere convenient, it can get loaded directly, but if it just ignores such a part, you can use the second method and reread the file.
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< 1344461638 237319 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SBCL does it too iirc
< 1344461688 61522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION might be more authoritative if he actually knew any executable formats.
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< 1344461757 828946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and does it really say that the parts are just concatenated?  otherwise you may have better options.
< 1344461792 184366 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These two parts can be connected in various ways. The most common way for distributed runtime applications is to concatenate the two parts. This can be achieved using external commands (Unix: cat, Windows: copy), or using the stand_alone option to qsave_program/2. The second option is to attach a startup script in front of the resource that starts the emulator with the proper options. This is the default under Unix. Finally, an emulator can 
< 1344461792 376870 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :be told to use a specified resource file using the -x command-line switch."
< 1344461867 279985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assumes the startup script refers to the #! method
< 1344462776 860447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nortti> http://aiju.de/up/catabuse.png
< 1344462780 999471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is dumb btw
< 1344462791 72809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a start, the two are different, semantically
< 1344462810 93147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a non-starter, "cat foo | f | g | h" maintains the same direction of data flow in the pipeline
< 1344462812 872529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unline "f <foo | g | h"
< 1344462833 890646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"useless use of cat" is something people get worked up about for no real reason, there's nothing wrong with it
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< 1344462967 461456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure in the case of SWI-Prolog it just rereads the executable file, skips the ELF (or whatever the platform uses) executable part, and loads the Prology part(s). (If you do "swipl-ld -v" you can see the executable part comes directly out of GCC and the Prolog part is just appended to it.)
< 1344462992 225136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.swi-prolog.org/pldoc/man?CAPI=PL_initialise "Special consideration is required for argv[0]. On Unix, this argument passes the part of the command line that is used to locate the executable. Prolog uses this to find the file holding the running executable. The Windows version uses this to find a module of the running executable. If the specified module cannot be found, it tries the ...
< 1344462998 252182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... module libpl.dll, containing the Prolog runtime kernel. In all these cases, the resulting file is used for two purposes: See whether a Prolog saved state is appended to the file. --"
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< 1344463511 100852 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems almost inelegant
< 1344464152 351652 :nortti_!~androirc@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344464539 569014 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTS!
< 1344464650 690209 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi gregor
< 1344464652 322142 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: congratulations
< 1344464671 46290 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I too have pants
< 1344464675 412947 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also
< 1344464693 317887 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, quintopia: My pants are better.
< 1344464701 115572 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can one up that since i have tasty beverage
< 1344464711 93479 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have birch beer!
< 1344464722 343016 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND better pants!
< 1344464725 640966 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have...beer
< 1344464731 732323 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :birch beer is good
< 1344464734 139205 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :beer is better
< 1344464753 746738 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lies.
< 1344464755 712638 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filthy lies.
< 1344464757 198216 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm sorry you find my khakis unattractive
< 1344464767 173283 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my belt and pants and socks and shoes do match
< 1344464769 264800 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1344464777 64566 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're probably the only one
< 1344464796 373111 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :chances are...
< 1344464801 176808 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :your pants...
< 1344464804 806269 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My pants are bright yellow.
< 1344464807 94297 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are not as fancy as the pair...
< 1344464819 29170 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of very fancy pants that mister fancy pants will wear...
< 1344464826 903306 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY PANTS.
< 1344464830 102480 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY ARE BRIGHT YELLOW.
< 1344464833 9378 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when everybody's marching in the fancy pants parade...
< 1344464850 984328 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhe's gonna past the test
< 1344464853 780230 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's gonna be thhe best
< 1344464857 133061 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best in terms of pants
< 1344464998 727708 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're done?
< 1344465000 268702 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point is, no.
< 1344465003 426821 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My pants: They are better pants.
< 1344465019 72982 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my pants are merely adequate
< 1344465073 672240 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I am fine with having not-best pants
< 1344465116 440286 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my beer is better beer and my tie is flowerier too so i win
< 1344465141 733091 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how flowery is your tie?
< 1344465147 954451 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of my ties are solid colors.
< 1344465163 176220 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest are all clop-themed ties?
< 1344465178 772913 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no pony ties.
< 1344465189 600860 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Tragically)
< 1344465216 374999 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that is a tragedy
< 1344465537 940517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What color of ties?
< 1344465587 384396 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gray and blue and orange
< 1344465659 608326 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, loser colors.
< 1344465683 248724 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have ties in green and pink and orange and blue and rainbow and red and purple and… well, not grey is the point.
< 1344465685 42621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Looking for argv[0] in PATH is arguably closer to inelegant than just "almost inelegant", but there's not much more you can portably do.
< 1344465698 830703 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have all those colors too
< 1344465705 952292 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does SBCL do?
< 1344465712 86127 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this one is silvery gray with blue and orange flowers
< 1344465729 632174 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://codu.org/projects/stuff/hg/index.cgi/file/tip/whereami.c
< 1344465750 492133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is better having a include file which makes it compile what is necessary for the target platform?
< 1344465798 532375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But that's exactly just looking for argv[0] in PATH.
< 1344465809 103707 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not claiming that it's not.
< 1344465816 737263 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just portable and has all the necessary hacks.
< 1344465834 278976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are you claiming it's what SBCL does, then? 
< 1344465855 237060 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Gregor just had bad timing.
< 1344465878 471073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps I just felt like complaining without cause.
< 1344465883 907731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's always possible.
< 1344465885 217444 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm offering it as a useful snippet of code.
< 1344465918 461236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should not look for argv[0] in PATH if there is the better way.
< 1344465977 242273 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not, portably. You can readlink /proc/self/exe if that option is viable.
< 1344465990 966255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can GetModuleFileName on Windows.
< 1344466013 116865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are other suitable /proc files on other systms.
< 1344466045 604138 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf
< 1344466051 743267 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This ends up being portable by means of a bunch of ifdefs per platform.
< 1344466052 175710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there is not better way portably; you should use preprocessor macros to determine which way to use for the target platform, and use argv[0] in PATH if none of the platform-specific choices are selected.
< 1344466060 683026 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's cool, i'm not sure i knew about it before
< 1344466067 316968 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think someone told me but i forgot
< 1344466149 173951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: SBCL seems to do the same thing, probably, since it has: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/375549
< 1344466175 581605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, it doesn't say what that's used for, but one could guess.)
< 1344466244 994376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What's cool?
< 1344466301 100523 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something shachaf said
< 1344466304 29558 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm-mc or something
< 1344466306 606394 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my pants are orange
< 1344466333 864792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why (with Byte ix = getBit(...);) «blah = ix == 0 ? foo[0][i] : foo[1][i];» is much faster than «blah = foo[ix][i];»
< 1344466368 613526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a clever optimization thing.
< 1344466393 576684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you write something like (j && i++<argc) in C will it increment i only if j is nonzero?
< 1344466406 305605 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1344466467 914863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what about blah = foo[!!ix][i]  ?
< 1344466497 35664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's also bad.
< 1344466502 535420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh.
< 1344466603 322189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you write it in LLVM? Say you have ix is of type i1 for example?
< 1344466627 671853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is this in a loop?  maybe it helps branch prediction...
< 1344466634 919174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is guessing wildly
< 1344466645 65826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does LLVM support branch prediction?
< 1344466663 99735 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by that?
< 1344466663 837703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...branch prediction is a feature of cpus
< 1344466671 929720 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean branch prediction hints in the code?
< 1344466677 652552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes.
< 1344466679 373462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does bother me that Prolog is always depth-first.
< 1344466688 544425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could just be that the compiler is not clever enough to avoid some complicated address calculation that it can when it sees foo[0] and foo[1] raw.
< 1344466723 229964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc generates code about twice as fast as clang for this, by the way.
< 1344466739 969485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program runs in 14 seconds with clang and 7 with gcc.
< 1344466745 153967 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the type of foo[i]? does it have pointers or is it a two-dimensional array?
< 1344466764 420085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a two-dimensional array.
< 1344466771 526430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at the generated code is always a possibility.
< 1344466784 971713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK, but what happen if you try to write it directly in LLVM rather than using C and so on?
< 1344466788 33789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact it was two separate arrays previously, which I stuck together in order to be able to do that.
< 1344466805 803925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know what happen if I do that.
< 1344466844 924260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, but there's so much of it. :-(
< 1344466880 588184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's the speed with two separate arrays and ix == 0 ? foo[i] : bar[i]? One'd expect pretty close to the ix == 0 ? foo[0][i] : ... thing.
< 1344466892 938687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What I originally had was two separate arrays.
< 1344466904 121313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty much the same.
< 1344466913 986319 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo[row][col] translates to something like foo[row*pitch + col], the conditional style allows the foo+row*pitch part to be extracted into two base pointers calculated outside the loop
< 1344466942 389212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true.
< 1344466944 683536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The !!ix style obviously "allows" for that too.
< 1344466953 383914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's always either 0 or 1.
< 1344466965 641954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need to be cleverer about it.
< 1344466967 795780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would've thought the branch would have much bigger overhead.
< 1344467046 843160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You can put some sort of  asm volatile ("# PLZ LOOK HERE"); /* code */ asm volatile ("# PLZ STOP LOOKING");  kind of thing (with # being whatever's the assembler's comment marker) in, I've done that sometimes.
< 1344467074 444428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might still reorder relevant bits outside the markers.
< 1344467081 637516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least it's something.
< 1344467097 481496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, or use objdump -S -d
< 1344467112 780688 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just objdump -d
< 1344467120 998339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just objdump
< 1344467125 573125 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just
< 1344467136 615810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You skipped "obj" there.
< 1344467147 522080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just dump
< 1344467213 57883 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just hd
< 1344467294 773220 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is codepage 437 assigned that number?
< 1344467359 685409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Hah, when you compile with -std=c99, gcc thinks "asm" is a function.
< 1344467387 703307 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :strictly speaking, the compiler can't just gobble up "asm" as a keyword
< 1344467395 197124 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess)
< 1344467395 434657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1344467679 644199 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are definite clause grammars like a burrito?
< 1344467686 783516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what way?
< 1344467708 647060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, just inserting a few __asm__("# comment marker\n")s makes it slow.
< 1344467715 237319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even asm volatile.
< 1344467754 703185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i've wondered that myself, actually.  in something like the category of relations, perhaps...
< 1344467817 211739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they definitely resemble the State monad somehow
< 1344467861 858735 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I use them to do other monads, is my question.
< 1344467863 629061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never found any (clear?) reference to it, though
< 1344467873 928415 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note I know almost nothing about DCGs)
< 1344467924 101052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i only understand monads in function categories like Set and Hask, it's hard for me to tell what the monads in Rel are...
< 1344467967 558642 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: interesting question ... all wikipedia tells me is that they set out to give all the code pages unique 16-bit numbers
< 1344468039 48657 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they = ibm and/or microsoft)
< 1344468085 642783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know monads in Rel (although there is always identity monad on any category). There is also a Finalize monad on any category having a final object, and so on.
< 1344468087 829218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it seems obvious how to do Reader, at least, just put a common argument on all of them...
< 1344468100 964474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Writer probably should be doable similarly
< 1344468135 816285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a difference list at least
< 1344468145 243050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: And 037 is "IBM EBCDIC US-Canada"; that could be the source of the last two digits.
< 1344468234 313660 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a first byte of 0 could mean EBCDIC-based, 4 could be ASCII-based and 8 might be DEC-MCS based (which is what latin 1 is based on supposedly)
< 1344468243 69643 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some start with 7
< 1344468264 527203 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the windows ones start with 12xx)
< 1344468267 172017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And many EBCDIC ones start with 2.
< 1344468295 91165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't exactly explain why it's 037 in the first place; OB;
< 1344468303 567203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IBM's own http://www-01.ibm.com/software/globalization/cp/cp_cpgid.html doesn't list any smaller numbers.
< 1344468310 911151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course they could be lost in the mists of history.
< 1344468347 156584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 850..878 set is at least just sequentially numbered.
< 1344468366 702288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I guess they go higher up, with just some gaps.
< 1344468385 525882 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, 00256 being "International #1" (after a big gap) does suggest that the cp numbers are actually decimal though
< 1344468434 689916 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe they switched after assigning a lot of numbers because no-one knew what system they were using
< 1344468444 283962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are decimal numbers, I believe.
< 1344468451 802914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that there's a 65520 in the end.
< 1344468477 178029 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, apparently they are now :)
< 1344468523 305057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the values are of course just numbers, but they're generally talked about in decimal terms.
< 1344468528 317935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the 256 might be explained by 0..255 being reserved for something-or-other.
< 1344468565 657227 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the other pattern might be because they've numbered them in hundreds, but 0..255 being reserved for EBCDIC
< 1344468670 505028 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, IBM's numbers are different than Microsoft's numbers for some code pages
< 1344468700 68927 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, we should plot these on a time line to see what the original pattern was
< 1344468727 522490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1344468740 895618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entry pages include registration dates, feel free to.
< 1344468781 191254 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Prolog has something like macros...
< 1344468836 689188 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, 850/852 is western europe/central europe, but 1250/1252 seem to be the other way around
< 1344468862 252538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see they've given CPGID numbers to Unicode planes 0, 1, 2 and 14.
< 1344468930 423169 :nortti_!~androirc@a91-154-82-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )
< 1344469064 677861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Plane 00 of Group 00"; funny that it still says that, what with not there being groups any more.
< 1344469128 228427 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, 850 is older than 819 (which is the code page number for ISO 8859-1)
< 1344469170 328123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :819 also has many of the same numbers that appear in 8859-1. Coincidence? I think not! 
< 1344469370 333334 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently all the ones up to ASCII (cp 367) are ebcdic variants
< 1344469451 905472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That registry looks so sparse. I mean, there's 259 "Symbols, Set 7"; where's sets 1..6? 
< 1344469510 844128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Onneksi ääkköset eivät ole enää ongelma.
< 1344469786 857848 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking 0..3 = ebcdic, 4..7 = somehow related/similar to 437, 8..11 = 850-ish (I guess those have a bunch of line/box characters replaced by letters), 12..x = windowsy
< 1344469805 931690 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascii doesn't fit there though :)
< 1344469812 740230 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(367)
< 1344469876 248888 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Unfortunately, the finnish language is still a problem
< 1344469911 270630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 1009..1021 aren't so "850-ish" either, being the language-specific 7-bit encodings.
< 1344469924 529669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, ..1023.
< 1344469936 938499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 1025 is apparently a "Cyrillic, Multilingual" EBCDIC variant.
< 1344469940 684235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there.
< 1344469944 301461 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad I added translation from finnish as a quick search
< 1344469963 836185 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those are recent inventions squeezed in there after they forgot all about the system
< 1344469966 678728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a reference to a thing, but the thing is a longish story.
< 1344469999 748450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1047: "Latin 1/Open Systems", code EBCDIC.
< 1344470011 75977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is perhaps a fool's game to look for patterns in this thing.
< 1344470046 283123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the 1025 "Cyrillic, Multilingual" EBCDIC page is from 1988, that's not *so* new.
< 1344470106 807993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1025 is also listed as a revision of 880, which itself is listed as EBCDIC, with a note "This code page is a revision of Code Page 00410", and 410 is not listed in the registry at all.
< 1344470106 995739 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the 0xx..3xx ebcdic ones are hex, but the 0..1023 ebcdic numbers are decimal :>
< 1344470112 864433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use CP437 for some things.
< 1344470210 534025 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how latin 1 actually has its own separate code page 819, but microsoft maps all of ibm819, ascii, latin1, cp367, us-ascii to codepage 1252
< 1344470213 759896 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: “reälize” yes/no?
< 1344470234 192056 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I pronounce it "reel-ize"
< 1344470261 920636 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pronounce it "reh-kuh-nize"
< 1344470264 175471 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1344470271 81180 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-127.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely say "reälize"
< 1344470336 693481 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You pronounce realize as recognize, eh.
< 1344470339 429543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pronunciation:  Brit. /ˈrɪəlʌɪz/ , U.S. /ˈri(ə)ˌlaɪz/", if you believe OED.
< 1344470347 722528 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not recognize
< 1344470351 390919 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :reh-kuh-nize