< 1343260944 28132 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1343261976 208945 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1343264374 18290 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-227-7.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343264386 145057 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-66.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1343265391 50805 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, badblocks saves the day < 1343267505 277958 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343267718 221789 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1343267798 860022 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait whoa, Gilgamesh was 2/3 god. < 1343267812 657818 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sumerian myths are so much better than that Greek crap. < 1343268555 277909 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1343268796 506380 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 NICK :MSleep < 1343269040 147525 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1343269238 759972 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343269722 808775 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1343270026 676086 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1343270433 207303 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to watch babylon 5 < 1343270473 585144 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not < 1343271533 215842 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1343272767 196010 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: well, it's pretty much exactly what I said. < 1343272787 922948 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say "Sgeo's messages are also Machiavelli's", you say the converse. And that's the partnership. < 1343272856 581724 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, "Machiavelli's messages are also Sgeo's?" Or am I getting converse wrong (I wikipedia'd it) < 1343272864 223823 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that. < 1343272893 110412 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: in Agora? < 1343272896 976787 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yep. < 1343272901 219166 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work < 1343272909 447141 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't? < 1343272913 241820 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1343272914 509524 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also say "Warrigal's messages are also Machiavelli's" and then have control of me, I think < 1343272917 146315 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If it worked) < 1343272920 57030 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a partnership < 1343272941 959600 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, a partnership is when two people work together to achieve a common goal. < 1343275754 798757 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, different audience than last night. < 1343275760 544448 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go read my short story: http://codu.org/fiction/LensCap.html < 1343275974 578970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1343277849 442151 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343279616 344200 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-83.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1343281055 713753 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-83.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: begone < 1343282668 747613 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1343283251 805717 :yours_truly!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343283335 349371 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1343283362 742362 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NICK :augur < 1343288064 653588 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1343288160 137443 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1343288212 354074 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1343289557 83027 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1343289902 263014 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1343289971 246913 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1343290207 236807 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1343290212 885267 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1343291646 276162 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343292221 256387 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1343292238 572930 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If C is not turing-complete, but there is a Brainfuck interpreter in C < 1343292248 163789 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means, there is no actual Brainfuck interpreter in C < 1343292253 502508 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because C can't interpret Brainfuck. < 1343292296 680776 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that means: "I wrote a Brainfuck interpreter in my language, so my language is turing complete" might be delicate then. < 1343292583 215962 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-45.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343292595 26408 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-227-7.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1343293029 206325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could argue that "Brainfuck" without qualifiers might easily mean a fixed-length tape (that's what the first implementation had), in which case it's quite irrelevant to TC-ness. < 1343293057 131124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also argue that purely by saying "I wrote a Brainfuck interpreter in my language, so my language is turing complete" you're kind of implying the tape is in fact not finite. < 1343293287 188027 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PART :#esoteric < 1343293588 477646 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :practically the tape is always finite < 1343293723 664907 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to the restrictions of a computer yes. < 1343293732 809937 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not by the restrictions of a language. < 1343293751 189485 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write a brainfuck interpreter in a turing complete language so that the tape *would* be infinite < 1343294203 61335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also write one in C in which the tape would be infinite if the language was tweaked a tiny little bit; the finiteness isn't really all that noticeable, after all. < 1343294232 267785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the "C isn't TC" is really mostly just nitpicking and arguing for the sake of argument. < 1343295798 829225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tweaked a tiny bit"? < 1343297610 472372 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1343297642 143529 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1343297686 805589 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343297696 235299 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1343297766 363362 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1343297824 844325 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's possible to add features from Stlang (eg. functions) to burlesque by making macros that expand in new macros < 1343297977 138820 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be something like #fn\s+(.*)\s+(.*)efn := < 1343297977 342365 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric : #\1 := \2\n < 1343298385 425098 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you two working together on Burlesque? < 1343299811 433016 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1343299813 216983 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1343299968 36810 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343300184 181043 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1343300442 389764 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1343301027 564458 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 There's no Peanoid or Copeanoid instance for Int8 < 1343301027 583705 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1343302116 755790 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is now the time to learn Lisp? < 1343302469 829811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1343302609 73535 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343302675 872100 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: No @working together < 1343302689 932933 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's writing a preprocessor for esoteric programming languages < 1343302694 680366 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uses Burlesque for examples. < 1343302720 211999 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that macros won't enable you recursion I guess. < 1343302747 397467 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not without much overhead I think. < 1343302762 644015 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burlesque doesn't know the concept "recursion" < 1343302767 232051 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not first hand. < 1343302865 459545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think making C TC would require more than small changes. Although I guess just removing CHAR_BIT would allow the possibility of a TC implementation. < 1343303042 243195 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, should I learn Lisp? < 1343303046 584485 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well what is there to stop you replacing 'integer' with 'ordinal' in the right places to allow infinitely large types? < 1343303071 914461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what is "Lisp" < 1343303075 683601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the C standard < 1343303080 156733 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a speech impediment. < 1343303099 708149 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, learning is generally a good idea so long as it's not Yet Another Generic Scripting Language. < 1343303110 716089 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sixth of my ancient history class suffer from it < 1343303126 27581 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are 6 people in the class, har har har. < 1343303129 985134 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's 12 < 1343303143 768703 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :30% of my further maths class are called Andrew < 1343303153 434027 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Learn COBOL, it's a generally a good idea ;P < 1343303155 8912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what is "Lisp" < 1343303165 580814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are giving crappy advice because you don't know what Taneb is using "Lisp" to refer to < 1343303183 278345 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, CL or Scheme, these days. < 1343303189 889977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance learning LISP 1.5 would be incredibly dumb < 1343303191 573603 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither is a bad choice. < 1343303195 170481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Scheme is barely a Lisp < 1343303207 14609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and not considered a Lisp by its designers, just a Lisp descendent) < 1343303207 576639 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's referred to as one. < 1343303212 391087 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what is Lisp? < 1343303224 112469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give up < 1343303224 549691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1343303228 292538 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha ;d < 1343303231 727423 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, it's when you can't really pronounce your f's or s's right? < 1343303272 328331 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to create an eso-paste like codepad.org < 1343303272 654780 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of definitions < 1343303286 122389 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, different to codepad in what way? < 1343303287 460737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which not only stores your paste, but also runs it and tells you its output. < 1343303288 164101 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :was there a guy with nick Patashu here? < 1343303296 429690 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1343303297 4378 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A while back? < 1343303302 489951 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He may be still here AS WE SPEAK < 1343303303 145902 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall seeing him here < 1343303305 937839 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It supports esolangs @different ;)? < 1343303324 495695 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, like, with syntax highlighting? < 1343303333 390397 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1343303361 263971 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many esolangs can you even do that for < 1343303368 445160 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them barely have a syntax. < 1343303372 502769 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Brainfuck < 1343303381 640437 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably just Glass < 1343303383 633415 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is partly to blame for this.) < 1343303391 751810 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck well. < 1343303395 755010 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And INTERCAL < 1343303412 867096 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It't have a different color for +- [] >< and ,. probably. < 1343303419 922367 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*d < 1343303439 781006 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a fair few that do, but most of them have BF-style specs where it's just considered a flat array of instructions. < 1343303461 509970 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me, did I get around to adding a better BF spec on the wiki. < 1343303465 92179 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1343303530 874321 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, all of mine are like that but Luigi and Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download < 1343303532 360816 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do that. < 1343303561 378122 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first esolang was indirectly a BF derivative < 1343303567 265486 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought 3: was a chelicerate smiley until I read through a second time. < 1343303592 433439 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelicerate? < 1343303598 19348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343303611 547704 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spiders and other things with that sort of fangs. < 1343303645 737334 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Nepeta, because of the unfortunate way her mouth is drawn. < 1343303724 136126 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 Neither does Word64 < 1343303724 155195 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1343303888 377069 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many people know the context for that? < 1343303891 325183 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly only me < 1343303950 707507 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quickly switched to #haskell but found no context there either. < 1343303972 282447 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOBODY SHALL KNOW < 1343304000 367949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's targeted at zzo38 < 1343304000 387330 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1343304005 466476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, it's quite possible there /isn't/ any context < 1343304007 966403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1343304007 985722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 3d 1h 49m 49s ago: lumenstones /do/ stack; see http://i.imgur.com/WiVQp.png < 1343304008 4325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 3d 1h 23m 54s ago: btw, I got to depth 21 with the help of a highly-enchanted staff of lightning and +3 scale mail of reflection, but then I died :( < 1343304094 908857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott item stacks (except projectiles) in Brogue use up 1 inventory slot per item in the stack; that pack's full because it contains 26 items, even though only 17 of the 26 slots are in use, so your link actually argues for my point of view :) < 1343304094 966518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1343304129 425901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott meanwhile, I'm interested in your opinion on http://nethack4.org/pastebin/philosophy.html (I suspect you're going to disagree with it, but am interested to know with which bits) < 1343304129 445390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1343304302 9384 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343304345 351960 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, I need to actually become good at NetHack at some point < 1343304348 968664 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I really don't < 1343304363 665491 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd probably be better if I didn't, to be honest. < 1343304442 762461 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1343304452 120130 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be NICK :AnotherTest < 1343304462 982160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, anyone else who cares can look at that link I sent elliott too < 1343304471 815146 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry my Internet connection died :( < 1343304681 450853 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1343304865 204890 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://postimage.org/image/99fi2135j/ < 1343304865 823920 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear. < 1343304868 268512 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is going to take a while. < 1343305063 901119 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1343305268 522176 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1343305312 393742 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname, hm? < 1343305418 281238 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say you're losing < 1343305425 789020 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is TOX the one that doubles the damage each turn < 1343305426 618838 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1343305435 367482 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to the similar PSN? < 1343305480 982273 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-227-95.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343305485 655503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1343305491 15842 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-45.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1343305491 761787 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, Wigglytuff has Magic Guard < 1343305497 379254 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOX's damage is negated. < 1343305499 364801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343305503 376036 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, brilliant < 1343305648 979568 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simply put, it became a question of "who has more PP" < 1343305702 124937 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck < 1343305768 66964 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The other player disconnected) < 1343305769 251536 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(><) < 1343305780 939655 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(does that mean you get the points) < 1343305790 161776 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The ladder server is down. Nobody gets points right now :() < 1343305801 842310 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1343305956 759159 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The foe's Cofagrigus used Shadow Ball! < 1343305957 92562 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't affect Noriko... < 1343305960 44235 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you stupid?? < 1343305996 197708 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to play more Pokemon < 1343305999 640899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually... < 1343306006 680384 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see my NetHack speech earlier < 1343306034 168767 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how < 1343306036 334315 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clefable < 1343306040 646893 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is totally immune to all entry hazards < 1343306055 74578 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaing all those spikes are useless < 1343306070 681981 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your team is perfectly adapted to the scenario? < 1343306077 442534 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1343306081 968422 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinda still under construction < 1343306103 756698 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you stupid? < 1343306109 201045 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setting up entry hazards while I was setting up a sweeper? < 1343306135 616824 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I suck at Pokemon < 1343306142 619343 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And most other video games < 1343306281 75637 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really think in strategy? < 1343307210 823696 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/QDFJrB31 <- that works < 1343307220 854127 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman < 1343307495 876969 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I call test in test? < 1343307610 659299 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defining macros is ok < 1343307621 382738 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But trying to disguise them as functions is wrong :) < 1343307649 339153 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that depends on the language I guess. < 1343308052 694087 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you call test from withing test, it doesn't get substituted :p < 1343308089 465708 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see these functions more as a syntactic construct < 1343308111 453386 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP doesn't define semantic behavior anyway < 1343308120 445939 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A very lazy macro system would essentially be call-by-name laziness? < 1343308242 25837 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I think that there is an other approach, but it's harder < 1343308256 107709 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could push the function to the stack as a Block < 1343308277 369415 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the problem would be loading it < 1343308635 932730 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, a tiling is a family of shapes, which are called tiles < 1343308769 572038 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: surely Nepeta's mouth would be much more like :3 than like 3:. < 1343309380 444810 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: so, what do you say to the partnership idea? < 1343309537 703938 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partnership idea? < 1343309557 428967 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where each of us allows the other to act on our behalf. < 1343309567 654018 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What context? < 1343309584 770900 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora. < 1343309588 930979 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1343309606 952482 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There ought to be an esoteric programming language community nomic < 1343310211 187430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1343310219 899973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343310409 828264 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, well yes. < 1343310419 468510 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it also has those fangs at the bottom. < 1343310727 626561 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: macros can't generate macros nicely... \ is seen as an escape sequence in the function body < 1343310820 736586 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think Nepeta and Vriska would get on more < 1343310833 931296 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't recall them ever interacting on-screen? < 1343311633 561838 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1343311655 21402 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343311659 707702 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1343311736 699314 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb! < 1343311739 526672 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while! < 1343311742 112541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah!" < 1343311758 105287 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, my laptop crashed < 1343311774 336409 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were the passengers OK? < 1343311782 544669 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No serious injuries < 1343311891 166176 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1343312171 749931 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343312326 804493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1343312436 812730 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a CA question: you have a state called 0 and a state called 1. device a CA with at least these states such that all configurations over {0, 1} with a finite number of 1's collect the 1's into a connected pattern, and the number of 1's stays constant. < 1343312486 896079 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first thought is that that is not possible if the CA has infinite space < 1343312504 509280 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I have an idea? < 1343312522 57241 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are given an infinite configuration with 0's and 1's such that there are only finitely many 1's, and without changing the number of 1's, but possibly using any finite set of helper states, clump the 1's together. < 1343312588 778996 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well do you want hints? i have a continuation to this question if someone gives a plausible solution. < 1343312602 652339 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I see where my idea goes first? < 1343312612 930758 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm asking this because it's kind of a fun esoteric type puzzle, and would be nice to know if what we've done sofar is trivial. < 1343312626 922084 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure i'm gonna watch old episodes of house now < 1343312660 786723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1343312672 309416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you know if there's a way to hook up a socket into the SDL event loop thingy? < 1343312672 328626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1343312675 161040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1343312675 954832 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can tell what the answer is as a boolean at some point at least, unless someone finds such a CA or proof of impossibility < 1343312723 46226 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or if no one cares ofc :D) < 1343312830 499636 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what's your idea, then? < 1343312836 167059 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like ropes < 1343312900 15391 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1343313219 41943 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1343313257 767183 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can do it with 5 states (2 dimensions) < 1343313338 852182 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I'm missing something stupid, definitely 6 < 1343313509 132447 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1343313526 301925 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right yeah this is for 2D, that's kind of important (although might help looking at 1D first) < 1343313527 913244 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like ropes is actually the best description I can think of < 1343313537 152499 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I meant 1D < 1343313549 127195 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2D may be harder, haven't really thought about it < 1343313554 798985 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so how do you do it? < 1343313568 670653 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you let me write this down and think it through? < 1343313574 872981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How do partial reads work with a non-blocking FD? < 1343313577 131808 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to get my brain to give me its secrets atm < 1343313578 289601 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i hope i explained the problem correctly < 1343313580 377155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if I read 12 bytes but only 11 are available. < 1343313625 517640 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very important here that you can depend on every state besides 1 and 0 having been introduced by yourself < 1343313652 321916 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, important in the sense that it's a very different problem otherwise. < 1343313659 953005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant may also apply. < 1343313662 660497 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah take your time < 1343313668 128470 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by "depend"? < 1343313705 43520 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just that you can trust that you are really given a configuration with only 0s and 1s even though you can introduce more states that you then use in clumping the 1s together. < 1343313730 22440 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1343313741 531088 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you're saying that I start with something that has only 1s and 0s < 1343313824 432176 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1343313841 979680 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :an infinite configuration, we can say say 1D for now < 1343313847 150123 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are only finitely many 1s < 1343313980 274071 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Presumably you get the 11 bytes < 1343313990 937315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :( < 1343314006 144289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't suppose there's an easy way to get "give me 12 bytes if you have them, otherwise just refuse to respond"? < 1343314032 20603 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1343314047 798239 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, read nothing from the fd if there are less than 12 bytes available? < 1343314068 978094 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of a way, at least. < 1343314087 32595 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343314187 407949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: A shame. < 1343314247 280176 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any reason you can't just buffer the 11? < 1343314275 470721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Because I'll have to maintain a buffer. :( < 1343314278 922563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could just do this thingy. < 1343314315 487712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: By the way, remind me to reintroduce these hard tabs when I'm done. < 1343314318 637354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THX < 1343314591 409229 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343315041 935065 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found a problem with my system < 1343315066 48528 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempting to fix < 1343315084 39985 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1343315138 727997 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: can you compose two CA in mathematica? < 1343315276 867730 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel kind of dirty since i've *actually implemented a few CA* at work, and to make things worse, i used mathematica :/ < 1343315419 399152 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the only way to make CA in mathematica is to supply a local rule directly. they are not functions, and you cannot run them on arbitrary computable configurations. the whole thing is completely special cased and it's really annoying to do anything with them. < 1343315510 499767 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no optimation is done if a periodic (or even unary) pattern starts filling the universe. < 1343315512 267659 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn < 1343315530 674783 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea hasn't worked < 1343315535 53446 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :GoldParrot < 1343315538 624797 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1343315546 935435 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :even for 1D? < 1343315547 106533 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll describe it any way < 1343315549 397971 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1343315553 752193 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright go ahead < 1343315562 260269 :GoldParrot!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :BitParrot < 1343315568 291914 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1's emit a highway of 3's with 2's at the tips < 1343315577 608378 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which way? < 1343315585 583663 :BitParrot!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1343315586 913876 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, 1 -> 212 -> 23132 -> ... -> 2333331333332 < 1343315593 102964 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :both ways okay < 1343315605 206662 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that's an idea < 1343315614 528466 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is? < 1343315627 419492 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh just one way perhaps < 1343315635 515582 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll only work for 1D, but if they only go one way, I'll avoid this error < 1343315643 398215 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1343315660 441210 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what then? < 1343315686 970625 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When a highway encounters a 1 or a 2, the 2 turns into a 4 < 1343315704 553028 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This 4 falls back to the original 1, which then moves towards the 4 < 1343315721 59351 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you only do this in one direction? < 1343315729 61631 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both < 1343315739 490661 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, don't the highways collide? < 1343315740 139230 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1343315755 76591 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i see, they should gather at the middle then i guess? < 1343315760 513036 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, in theory < 1343315764 302264 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work < 1343315769 557451 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why is that? < 1343315778 161523 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when there's the pattern 101? < 1343315797 686777 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well isn't that a local issue that you can fix trivially? < 1343315823 10309 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so too, but it gets complicated and nasty < 1343315850 890136 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you start losing 1's < 1343315859 367892 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do? < 1343315868 628758 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1343315909 728809 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you extend the detecty-range thing? But down that path madness lies < 1343315944 114536 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1343315947 308489 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt this < 1343315975 472127 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see 101, then neight 1 introduces a 2, and the rightmost one moves left < 1343315987 852232 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1343315989 306337 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/72152 < 1343315992 983065 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I had < 1343315993 115302 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :neight?? < 1343316015 400365 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neight isn't a word? < 1343316050 319981 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what the fuck did it mean there? i assume jumbled some words together :D < 1343316067 74474 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly "one"? < 1343316082 402147 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i meant neither < 1343316083 86715 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1343316092 157073 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah < 1343316115 989999 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's what I did, with a 5 to tell the 1 to move < 1343316123 607104 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I made the one on the left move right? < 1343316189 385332 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there's a very simple fix < 1343316216 967684 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the hpaste, that's what I had before I realised it wasn't going to work < 1343316310 963285 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm happy with that if that's an actual simulation, i know it's not hard to make that work, but it's not very interesting, essentially you're done. now let's make this more interesting: 3 states, radius 1 (Von Neumann neighborhood) < 1343316317 900785 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2D < 1343316338 937841 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have a 0, a 1 and a single helper state < 1343316341 772141 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear < 1343316342 345148 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :same rules < 1343316350 521844 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A single helper state!? < 1343316352 422304 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there aren't that many CA like that :D < 1343316363 44497 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay there are kinda many. < 1343316384 492291 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm wait < 1343316390 755076 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you need moore neighborhood < 1343316402 955793 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means you can look diagonally too, but just one step in each direction < 1343316443 680568 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also let's call this Problem 1 :P < 1343316455 250275 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, are you allowed to have leftover helper state? < 1343316476 572473 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, are you creating or destroying 1's? < 1343316491 955579 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes < 1343316518 445713 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i'm pretty sure you have to < 1343316534 318537 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that sense of leftover < 1343316588 389736 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cleanup required, just that the 1's gather together and their number is conserved. < 1343316726 612147 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus points if you find the (presumably minimal) solution i hinted at, or a better one. < 1343316959 451628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1343316968 2912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343317722 1686 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've got it < 1343317767 332981 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343317784 934390 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-227-95.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1343317938 814406 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with three states? < 1343317942 485100 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1343317945 673510 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1343317946 960541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just testing it < 1343318002 598559 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know any CA software that's easy for this kind of thing? < 1343318077 192781 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematica lets you visualize pretty nicely < 1343318085 518071 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much does mathematica cost? < 1343318106 692533 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mirek's cellebration is nice enough for testing CA on different patterns once you have the CA, but i don't know if it's nice to make rules with it. < 1343318120 647007 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right, a lot, we have it at uni. < 1343318156 798302 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1343318166 9651 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not much nicer making the actual rules than it is with say C, you can basically just give it the local rule. it does give you an infinite configuration, assuming only finitely many cells are filled. < 1343318206 153592 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343318400 18172 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm pretty sure this works < 1343318408 555101 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My phrasing's awful, though < 1343318411 766460 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0's look at W, SW, and S. If any are not 0, become #. < 1343318411 785143 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1's look at SW. If #, become 0. Else look at S and E. If S is # and E is not 1, become 0. Else look at W, NW, and N. If W is # and neither < 1343318411 785334 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NW nor N are 1, become 0. < 1343318411 785448 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#'s, look at NE. If NE is 1, become 1. Otherwise look at N and W. If N is 1 and W is not #, become 1. Otherwise look at E, SE, and S. If E is 1 and netiher SE nor S are #, become 1. < 1343318445 117457 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1343318449 817511 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of tediously giving the rule, can you first explain what happens in english? :D < 1343318452 575747 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1343318459 70462 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :globally, not what the actual rules are < 1343318469 130552 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes it a bit easier to follow, i'm kinda lazy. < 1343318487 73664 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1343318491 452419 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that's easy enough < 1343318506 985363 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, 1's send out a rug north, northeast, and east, and other 1's fall down it < 1343318521 492586 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that sounds correct. < 1343318540 689499 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's say we have a 1 at (0, 10) and (10, 0), does it still work? < 1343318553 260569 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1343318555 267293 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1343318562 532248 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn < 1343318566 354935 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well don't be too sad, this is how we started < 1343318592 651253 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except ours was rotated 180 degrees < 1343318606 440894 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess that's not how gravity works so you win. < 1343318770 636956 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, Golly has a nifty tool that lets you convert state transition functions like the one Taneb gave into rule tables. < 1343318829 593409 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rug description? < 1343318942 221173 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I was thinking of the same kind of thing, except the rugs also send out tendrils to the sides, < 1343319063 641256 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :send tendrils south and west? < 1343319092 473893 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you do that with only 3 states? < 1343319199 953141 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, well if you change the orientation of the rugs so they spread in a triangle from NE to NW, then you can make a 0 with a single # to the left or right turn into a #, maybe? < 1343319227 577624 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1343319237 58343 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is starting up < 1343319367 306487 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343319553 934497 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1343319555 532488 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works < 1343320269 474139 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a language where their word for no starts with y and their word for yes starts with n? < 1343320303 26179 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Welsh is like that with Male and Female < 1343320352 151900 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Irish, men, women < 1343320381 97699 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"men" is "fir", "women" is "mná" < 1343320386 953759 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Causes chaos in restaurants < 1343320465 291566 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost Finnish? < 1343320489 254247 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, "niin" means "yes", and "ei" means "no" < 1343320493 173116 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finns: confim/deny < 1343320536 361771 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"man" is "mies" and "woman" is "nainen" < 1343320541 563296 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Greek, "yes" is nai, and "no" is "ochi" < 1343320570 471800 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"niin" is more like "that's true", "kyllä" and "joo" are the canonical yesses < 1343320659 669111 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swahili's close, too < 1343320674 235708 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yes" is "ndiyo", "no", is "hakuna" < 1343320688 389139 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ã�„ã�„ã�ˆ (iie) in japanese is a formal way of saying "no", apparently < 1343320725 88308 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ie is no, but ee is yes. < 1343320726 437511 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Swahili and Greek are your best bets < 1343320767 905020 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uun is no, un is yes. then again the tone tells you everything you need to know in both cases. < 1343320809 426519 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ also that was another way to say yes/no in japanese < 1343320852 965236 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how nay is yes and okay is no. < 1343320855 871168 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in greek < 1343321062 580799 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yeah, uun vs. un seems very confusing at first. < 1343321080 724590 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, they sound totally different when someone actually says it. < 1343321103 716427 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, completely obvious instance of pitch accent. < 1343321231 198853 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also uhhuh can mean both yes and no in english depending on the tone. or perhaps you'd spell them differently, dunno. < 1343321263 732654 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the no is more like an uh-uh < 1343321302 144559 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. To my ears "uh huh" and "uh-uh" sound like they're composed of different phonemes. < 1343321314 435454 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "uh-uh" has a glottal stop in there. < 1343321322 129781 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finnish we do the same with m-mm and mmhm. < 1343321332 353941 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure it does, yes < 1343321769 257416 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8AA58.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343321797 18343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1343322124 239861 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaah oerjan < 1343322133 65878 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in 2010 and the site crashed < 1343322272 310010 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the '10s and there is time for the site crashing. < 1343323357 842966 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: When compiling Burlesque; Web.Encodings wasn't found? < 1343325771 120924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 I thought killing a monster with a pet didn't give you death drops, re: gnomes and candles? < 1343325771 178730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1343325896 945233 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1343326614 654947 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: computed goto is *hell* to debug. < 1343326730 489903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1343326928 255704 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343326965 750118 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: that should not surprise anyone < 1343327178 843663 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it sounds like maybe we thought of very similar CA .. i glanced at what you said in the logs.. well i dont know the context of it for you but for me it occured to me yesterday to say < 1343327212 485801 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you thought of this same CA yesterday?? < 1343327213 781963 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 6 state cell, {up,down,left,right,center,off} < 1343327223 519481 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i didnt look close at it < 1343327228 878875 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i highly doubt it < 1343327231 798403 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.... < 1343327261 190188 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :would've been awesome synchronicity < 1343327268 327153 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i named the states using compass points < 1343327290 742852 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i didn't get to the main question yet, it's a bit more interesting < 1343327293 824654 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. if hte cell to the north was in a state of south, the current cell would become south in the next iteration < 1343327319 816957 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if the cell to the east was in a state of west, the current cell would become west < 1343327353 906669 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the cell to the east was west, and the cell to the west was east, the current cell would become center/centre < 1343327366 734841 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and similarly for other collisions? < 1343327369 814398 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually gave up trying to map out all the possibilities < 1343327377 778075 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what was this for? < 1343327404 19402 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't sound like what Taneb was doing < 1343327418 325284 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that on a CA where the entire thing is off.. a single cell which is west, will translate to the west each iteration < 1343327424 263959 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a lattice gas automaton or something < 1343327472 40645 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i got it, you have particles that move in cardinal directions. < 1343327508 747204 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya.. thats all.. i just saw his said west and stuff and i jumped the gun a bit < 1343327531 476039 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was about gathering all the ones in a configuration in the same place < 1343327576 443291 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... well logic dictates that i would not have the same idea :D < 1343327594 790577 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible to do if you can only use 1's and 0's, but you can do it if you add one more symbol. < 1343327619 457267 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(extra points for proving what i just said) < 1343327667 882087 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my goal was to kind of use brute force to make spaceships automatically happen :D < 1343327738 24083 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 0/1/spacecraft? < 1343327790 630228 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1343328054 29217 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: and why is there one? < 1343328066 426878 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i know it can't be expressed (by me!) using simple ca rules, but by having enough states and writing a function i assume a lot is possible < 1343328084 973706 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need three states and radius one < 1343328097 507971 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that much i've disclosed < 1343328100 594226 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do everything? < 1343328104 706609 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not sure why I directed that comment to you < 1343328111 796748 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...... i wasnt ready to solve your problem yet < 1343328126 963340 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hnn < 1343328139 515867 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i assumed it was a very compact proof :D < 1343328182 673591 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: to gather ones in the same place < 1343328189 979372 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need three states < 1343328195 345818 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that might be quite challenging for me < 1343328375 613107 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh.. perhaps you specify that collection spot with a 2! < 1343328446 538083 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it was a reference to a discussion from the other day, where it was decided that everything that has an off/on switch should also have a spacecraft mode on that switch < 1343328494 678631 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the 2 grows like an evil blob and when it encounters a 1, the 1 digs a tunnel through it ... hmm perhaps not < 1343328497 680533 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if whatever it was that required 3 states/symbols was related to spaceships, the topics are related < 1343328532 282226 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, obviously you need the spacecraft setting to get spaceships) < 1343328583 952579 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: its not technically related i think < 1343328601 564550 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's a shame < 1343328603 926130 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just make it sound related in my confusion and my constant topic hopping < 1343328616 362908 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: also basically a proof for what i asked, although i might have accepted the empty string too. < 1343328650 138785 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof: < 1343328666 267873 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: what you're describing with 2's sounds about right < 1343328672 434231 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a problem with it < 1343328679 734949 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1343328687 877325 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easy enough to solve though < 1343328721 462421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1343328789 48628 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh.... maybe it grows like a circle instead of a blob < 1343328853 488108 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do the 1s know where to move? < 1343328955 472738 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...... it could be a spiral.. and the 1s propagate along this spiral < 1343329016 432252 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does it start? < 1343329020 2477 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any rotatable CA with a 1x1 spaceship? < 1343329028 335478 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummm < 1343329033 695542 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a rotatable CA? < 1343329050 39626 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1343329062 619857 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a spaceship? < 1343329085 842861 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the identity CA has a 1x1 spaceship and pretty much any property you might want. except for not being the identity function. < 1343329149 433191 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A rotatable CA is what you get when you put California on a merry-go-round < 1343329171 427159 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spaceship is a SHIP in SPACE < 1343329197 195671 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. does it also mean that if you rotate and apply, you get the same thing as if you apply and rotate? < 1343329209 826284 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah! because space is like water but it's a vacuum instead < 1343329210 46727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spaceship is a hip replacement done in a spa, at the Consumer Electronics Show. < 1343329218 727229 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not < 1343329235 365745 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's the definition then you can't have a 1x1 spaceship < 1343329244 944278 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you also apply a rotation to states. < 1343329287 502756 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :all totalistic CA (local rule just looks at the sum of values in the neighborhood) commute with rotations, GoL included < 1343329297 565807 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i'm being very stupid < 1343329330 170766 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spaceship is a pattern that after t*k steps is a translation of itself < 1343329339 9217 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION quietly backs away.
< 1343329350 204822 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1343329352 526373 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where t is an integer variable and k is an integer constant < 1343329354 384247 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1343329457 181152 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, a finite pattern such that when you surround them with 0s (what's 0??), you get a configuration x such that f^n(x) = \sigma^m(x) where f is your CA, \sigma the translation function and m some integer. < 1343329480 687396 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in 1d, that is. otherwise you need to translate by a vector of appropriate dimension.) < 1343329513 340820 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/integer/natural/ < 1343329521 866519 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what you said, it's enough that you require it for some k!=0, then the rest follows inductively. < 1343329542 807453 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k greater than 0 if we don't assume the CA is reversible < 1343329549 938698 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm no expert on CA's < 1343329554 649214 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or CA, or Ca < 1343329558 406858 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or cars < 1343329615 96743 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm just spreading the word, my goal is to get someone to read one of my articles during the next decade. < 1343329656 742803 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1343329677 328315 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write articles? < 1343329690 520326 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1343329690 815966 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Within the next decade, I'm planning on having a degree involving maths and computer science < 1343329697 521541 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my job < 1343329732 292659 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a journalist? < 1343329746 957433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, oklopol is a journalist < 1343329781 342922 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, exactly < 1343329827 697292 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :within next decade i want to get married, have children, leave the state, settle down in a routine of daily work related to indie entertainment, attend a rock concert, humm < 1343329868 881133 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have 3/5 < 1343329891 726664 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 1 < 1343329898 438254 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've left Victoria in the past < 1343329898 909950 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your work is distantly related < 1343329903 920216 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you got married and had kids at a rock concert? < 1343329911 425123 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive left victoria but i want to leave it properly < 1343329917 717171 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done that < 1343329920 943436 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1343329931 443263 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i don't < 1343329932 574135 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i mean on my todo list < 1343329932 990274 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm all the way in Hexham, Not Victoria right now < 1343329935 373498 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of like this place < 1343329936 309375 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the next decade < 1343329940 71841 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh, ok < 1343329944 484952 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not NSW either < 1343329945 596100 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe i should be in hexham < 1343329950 793075 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(joke, relax) < 1343329959 966453 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, you can do that without leaving the state! < 1343329975 390802 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexham,_Victoria < 1343329975 624648 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a virtual presence in hexham < 1343329982 464946 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what hte < 1343329994 804827 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Population 56! < 1343330000 928388 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Population: 56 < 1343330003 872767 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good god < 1343330072 773819 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dilston, Tasmania has more than that < 1343330077 789976 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hexham joke) < 1343330115 37745 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also dilston, tasmania joke) < 1343330151 529194 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343330163 866919 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tasmanians are odd < 1343330207 857294 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :biased view < 1343331537 983697 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, I need to read Catch-22 at some point < 1343331548 551502 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not itidus21 thinking that Tasmanians are odd < 1343331597 56280 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some tasmanians are odd due to them being humans not due to them being tasmanian :| < 1343331600 308811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1343331605 38848 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1343331632 768774 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what I'm listening to < 1343331641 156054 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it looks like it's in the Albert Hall < 1343331692 235518 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i learned that theres a kickstarter which is doing everything i wanted to do but didn't, and doing it likely better than i would have < 1343331726 855614 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, itidus21, do you want to start a video game company with me? < 1343331734 374073 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's your dream, right? < 1343331920 647449 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was right, and who was wrong? Well, I'm supposed to be an adult now, and I still can't completely figure that one out. But at some point, late at night, near sleep, the ideas and the disagreements sort of dissolve, and you're just left with the people. And people were no different then, as they've always been. And always will be. Young girls get their hearts broken. Men and women suffer alone, ove < 1343331920 972035 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r the choices they've made. And young boys, full of confusion... full of fear... full of love and courage... grow up stealthily in their sleep. < 1343331938 638402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1343332056 714672 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that answer means.. its the sort of moment where the wonder years narrator would start talking.. < 1343332145 927183 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you are a little kid, you are a bit of everything - artist, scientist, athlete, scholar. Sometimes, it seems life is like a process of giving those things up, one by one. I guess we all have one thing we regret giving up. One thing we really miss. And we gave up because we were too lazy. We couldn't stick it out. Or because we were afraid. < 1343332400 422154 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i see tasmanians as to australia, as canada is to america < 1343332424 502766 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was North Island, New Zealand? < 1343332447 524319 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, technically canada is part of america :D < 1343332461 117113 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Tasmania is part of Australia? < 1343332466 771188 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1343332487 756366 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrugs < 1343332505 721046 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only knew one guy from there though, so its not really fair to comment < 1343332510 40179 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, using the colloquial meaning of "America" to mean the US, I think North Island, New Zealand is a much better Canada < 1343332524 168613 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what's Mexico? < 1343332528 314283 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i heard rumours about tasmanian < 1343332529 325854 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Northern Territory? < 1343332529 451543 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1343332562 734883 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah im just being exceptinally dumb today < 1343332585 432491 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Google wants to straight-up kill the US ISPs... < 1343332623 103980 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, it's the BBC Proms < 1343332685 411427 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im tempted to go through the kickstarter and chart my efforts at trying to do everything on their features list < 1343332823 69545 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$0.00 5Mbps internet is something. < 1343332836 879600 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1343332850 569743 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is $70/mo 1Gbps. < 1343332866 594995 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog google free < 1343332891 538969 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I presume this is US-only, or maybe US + Canada only < 1343332906 167955 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1343332912 524874 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Kansas City only ATM. < 1343332920 73727 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i just wanna see if i made any rants about google in here < 1343332924 559786 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, including the little bit in Kansas? < 1343332932 216217 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i writing the hackego query right? < 1343332933 944857 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, KC KS and KC MO. < 1343332934 161567 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog google free < 1343332937 968006 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1343332940 451348 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If successful (damned well better be) it'll go elsewhere < 1343332949 455363 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im after any lines which contain the words google and free < 1343332952 375874 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-06-19.txt:15:03:02: if you google free software, you get relevant results < 1343332961 970975 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1343332994 532225 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i get it to do a list of log results < 1343333000 855844 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn im forgetting how it all works < 1343333008 816989 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`postlog google free < 1343333011 84216 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: postlog: not found < 1343333059 790871 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there was only 1 result < 1343333072 775086 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog google < 1343333081 102515 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-08-17.txt:20:05:21: (this is despite the fact that when I answer such questions I almost always use google) < 1343333106 978975 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1343333108 911703 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1343333155 523296 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlogs google free < 1343333158 182739 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastlogs: not found < 1343333319 324526 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard that in China, workers for google free political prisoners < 1343333341 582639 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok found it < 1343333367 106359 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs google free < 1343333373 608379 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.7723 < 1343333388 958535 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I got bored of Sheldon... on the comic for the 9th of March, 2012 < 1343333388 977845 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1343333409 4950 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs google*free < 1343333416 308787 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.6503 < 1343333441 496428 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs google*free < 1343333448 314878 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32401 < 1343333461 651003 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs google.*free < 1343333463 775821 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what comic? < 1343333468 439085 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheldon < 1343333469 636386 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.9443 < 1343333478 402855 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1343333518 301244 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I install Ubuntu on a computer, how hard is it to then install Windows on it as well at a later date? < 1343333520 210744 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/x74gh/arcades_need_to_make_a_comeback_ive_decided_to/ < 1343333520 529923 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs google.*evil < 1343333527 720090 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.22094 < 1343333528 409220 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah! Arcades need to make a comeback! < 1343333547 752651 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my friends had that idea < 1343333548 609237 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sick of companies trying to milk me for cash with empty Pavlovian hooks! < 1343333559 556429 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried playing Mario Kart Arcade 2. < 1343333561 827597 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was weird < 1343333565 229345 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And expensive < 1343333621 872873 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Ms Pacman was playable!? < 1343333627 76252 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: its actually more healthy < 1343333651 520219 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, in a time when people will bitch about basically any pay model other than a single flat fee the only reason arcades can be seen as respectable is through rose-tinted goggles. < 1343333652 291709 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by travelling to the arcade you get your daily vitamin d sunlight, and a motivation to stop playing < 1343333763 742338 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs people.*like.*google < 1343333769 922587 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14338 < 1343333775 283192 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it cost money. < 1343333780 380121 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it's away from home < 1343333788 181439 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, there's nasty people who hog the tetris < 1343333798 256820 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its good to get away from home a bit < 1343333827 505028 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also just go for a walk of your own volition rather than acting like a rat in a maze. < 1343333833 211252 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just putting that out there. < 1343333848 776918 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would think so < 1343333851 540019 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1343333890 965805 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of my friends, I have one who lives pretty much one my street, and one who lives 3 or 4 miles away < 1343333899 667934 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tough times we live in, unlike pre-civilization < 1343333907 621850 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't leave me hanging, dammit. < 1343333923 754806 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1343333934 712984 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edinburgh's like, 3 or 4 miles away from Hexham, right? < 1343333967 774302 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, these days you can't go for a walk for fear of dangerous wildlife everywhere and a total lack of infrastructure. < 1343333971 211686 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: after i heard a guy died in an internet cafe due to being hooked like a labrat < 1343333991 793734 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, Phantom__Hoover, I have a friend who lives just under 100 miles away < 1343333994 472491 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HAPPY NOW < 1343333999 546567 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have seriously started to wonder about how bad things are < 1343334030 487772 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am encouraged to eat due to diabetes :D < 1343334036 991459 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they had it much easier 300 years ago when nobody got addicted to anything. < 1343334052 899147 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And everyone spent their life going on fulfilling nature walks. < 1343334111 403970 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horrible things aren't going to stop happening just because the context has changed, and just because they now happen in different ways doesn't mean the context is to blame. < 1343334120 837801 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what you mean < 1343334129 193220 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Maps has started doing cycling directions < 1343334136 817227 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1343334140 316388 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't want me to cycle up Allendale Road < 1343334143 311240 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1343334147 513143 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, it's pretty steep < 1343334154 785532 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As Taneb has just demonstrated, these are the days of miracle and wonder. < 1343334170 914392 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I need to be up that hill anyway < 1343334171 557709 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you're lucky it's not telling you to catch any ferries. < 1343334178 228346 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1343334185 614391 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get a ferry... < 1343334193 407389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is itidus21 saying the past was better < 1343334195 777802 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the nearest ferry would be 25 miles in the other direction < 1343334223 23427 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume you've seen the thing where the walking instructions between any two points sufficiently far apart in the UK will go via Ireland. < 1343334224 812897 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*) < 1343334228 787884 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i only half said it before i was corrected < 1343334231 132459 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have not) < 1343334257 430530 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's because it doesn't count ferries in its distance calculations. < 1343334272 742405 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wants me to take about 4 ferries < 1343334290 44966 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Edinburgh to Oxford. First two sufficiently far apart places I thought of) < 1343334325 927932 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next thing google maps should do is indicate human wayfarers on maps < 1343334335 638466 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^in directions < 1343334351 745335 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try John O' Groats to Land's End. < 1343334356 506780 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Troon -> Larne, Larne -> Stranraer, Stranraer -> Belfast, Belfast -> Liverpool) < 1343334356 778547 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1343334377 252442 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sad part is that I think I've been on three of those ferries. < 1343334417 840183 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, John o' Groats to Land's End takes you through France. < 1343334447 914731 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, Google Maps, John O'Groats isn't in Lizard Point < 1343334475 986415 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also stops over in Mann. < 1343334502 815414 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like, 2 and a quarter different countries! < 1343334502 929417 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...this route encompasses all the major constituents of the British Isles. < 1343334510 884980 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait I guess it doesn't go through Wales. < 1343334511 609340 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Wight? < 1343334518 710235 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did say 'major' though. < 1343334529 179411 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVEN LINDESFARNE!? < 1343334545 70626 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fuck, where is Lindesfarne.) < 1343334547 775073 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORMERLY CENTRE OF BRITISH CHRISTIANITY < 1343334560 608788 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on the east coast right? < 1343334567 421195 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1343334582 525261 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of not really an island < 1343334587 250063 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an island in high tide < 1343334595 388440 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ish < 1343334602 573217 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it this thing called 'Holy Island'. < 1343334609 831117 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of < 1343334613 851852 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy Island's the village < 1343334617 924423 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The island's Lindesfarne < 1343334623 208318 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found it easily because the English coast is so boring.) < 1343334633 398803 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah, it is, isn't it?) < 1343334654 881135 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catch a train to the station, walk 2 km to the bridge across the lake. Locate the old hermit under the bridge, he will give you safe passage to the mystical grotto. < 1343334655 732243 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that why you let us have up to the Tweed? Does it all get interesting after the Tweed?) < 1343334698 83618 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's still pretty boring up to the Forth. < 1343334706 575701 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many google cars ran out of fuel searching for the mystical grotto. < 1343334716 339793 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we have up to the Forth, then? < 1343334717 947531 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are on your own now. < 1343334742 51698 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1343334753 205497 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edinburgh's South of the Forth, isn't it < 1343334775 605827 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it's still on the interesting part of the coast. < 1343334779 930620 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's every major city in Canada < 1343334861 256910 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so weird when you look at the map and realise that most of the UK's parallel with the Hudson Bay. < 1343334910 416867 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like North America slipped south but kept its weather < 1343334946 926159 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Europe north < 1343334948 848954 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works too < 1343334959 688690 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably better, gulf stream and all < 1343334964 264648 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :directions to this location are restricted. login with your google account and we will email the directions to you. < 1343334973 517716 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, you know I think technically the northwest of Scotland is actually a separate island. < 1343334981 480055 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find any break in the water in the Great Glen. < 1343335022 392911 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the Great Glen is the same thing as the Norwegian Fjords and the coast of Newfoundland? < 1343335040 88799 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1343335057 3900 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :earth would be so much more boring if there was no water < 1343335062 540154 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of the same geotectonomatic thing, yeay. < 1343335064 961926 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yeah < 1343335067 893738 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, for a start there'd be no life < 1343335106 782828 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any idiot could just walk from A to B < 1343335118 150128 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without a boat or a plane < 1343335120 165861 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you could find an idiot, yeah < 1343335183 942072 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah water. you provide is with life, refreshment, icecubes, showers, and continents < 1343335190 428525 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^us < 1343335201 141884 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rain < 1343335212 348264 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and clouds :-s < 1343335228 352915 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and swimming < 1343335242 354330 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fish < 1343335258 20419 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fishing, surfing, boating, skiing, snow, snowmen < 1343335264 713421 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god.. its the gift that keeps on giving < 1343335315 460734 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, but um I thought fjords were isomorphic to firths < 1343335342 103373 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1343335350 210356 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they're not. < 1343335374 357699 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait they are but not quite. < 1343335406 338933 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343335419 329087 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ice skating, igloos, sodapop, hydroelectricity < 1343335468 613752 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterfalls, fountains, weird russian computers < 1343335575 230658 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't forget, a convenient strong polar solvent. < 1343335945 935331 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1343335956 584078 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've managed to compile Brogue for iPad < 1343335972 4742 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bad thing is that it does not render anything < 1343335974 300875 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :;d < 1343336301 28810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brogue on ipad sounds awful... the mouse control needs pretty fine precision < 1343336307 806727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably better than most other roguelikes though i guess < 1343336317 212620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you added a zoomed viewport, crawl-style < 1343336324 280423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: how far have you gotten in brogue? < 1343336530 143810 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i came back with the amulet < 1343336542 226028 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but never got deeper than 26 < 1343336778 636627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1343336782 595838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't managed to get the amulet yet :( < 1343336786 186208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my best game splatted on D:21 < 1343336819 220175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a really good game with +8 regen, +3 wisdom, staff of lightning [5], and a naga and troll for allies < 1343336824 626976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it died due to my stupidity and some bad turns < 1343336840 179038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+8 regen = you refill your HP in 32 turns, not 300-ish) < 1343336850 909257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from 0) < 1343336870 736653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or is that from 1%? whatever) < 1343336908 385556 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: goodnight < 1343336935 732132 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1343336944 96673 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game I finished was quite lucky < 1343337008 248018 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had +7 War Axe < 1343337030 501255 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and +3 runic armor [8] < 1343337051 72792 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and +4 ring of transference < 1343337057 988896 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ some staves < 1343337087 911142 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just meeled everything and tried to get to lvl 26 as fast as I can < 1343337106 364974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what runic? unidentified? (what armour type?) < 1343337110 364238 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny thing that lvl 26 was really calm, I encountered only two bloats < 1343337116 196251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, bloats < 1343337125 389678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear the standard wisdom is to clear up to D:20 and then dive for the amulet < 1343337183 146927 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIR it was banded mail of absorbtion < 1343337217 766537 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh < 1343337350 637401 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time I will try to get some lumenstones < 1343337371 566135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I hear that plate mail is better than any other armour < 1343337379 503503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of enchantment or runic < 1343337382 173644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the armour formula < 1343337617 804055 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have enough str < 1343337709 496789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yeah < 1343337714 282495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: enchanting an item reduces its str penalties, though < 1343337723 142644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you enchant up a war pike or whatever you can use it really early on < 1343337732 657749 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1343337744 525424 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I put +7 on the war axe < 1343337749 910710 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and relied on transference < 1343337925 210387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear transference is considered not very good... not sure why < 1343337995 951648 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid iPad < 1343338003 551047 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game loop runs flawlessly < 1343338010 637445 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that i see black screen < 1343338321 807793 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1343338518 808737 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw. I'm trying to write some kind of web enabled roguelike in js < 1343341055 914114 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1343341258 680230 :nortti-!znc@ie.freebnc.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1343341273 290334 :nortti-!nortti@ie.freebnc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343341283 111388 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1343342119 222851 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1343342431 848461 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1343342462 903243 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like my js 'screen driver' works quite fast < 1343342574 63507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly i should get nooga to write my brogue patch for me < 1343342705 862909 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the patch? < 1343342865 872108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i am trying to write a patch to add broadcast/spectating support so you can broadcast games and other people can watch < 1343342869 287892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is lonely not having that from crawl < 1343343154 330051 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1343343292 928907 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1343343301 416779 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1343343317 367789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should buy this Humble Music Bundle thing just for TMBG's cover of Tubthumping. < 1343343318 710380 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that js display that i'm writing < 1343343331 755882 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be ideal for that < 1343343343 750287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: well, the idea is to spectate with brogue itself < 1343343349 65731 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1343343355 966653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding a browser backend thing to brogue would be viable too I think < 1343343405 772879 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, brogue collects all the changes that it makes to the screen before displaying them < 1343343431 157846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's my plan for spectating < 1343343438 949253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply hook into each display and write it to the network toot < 1343343445 879194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the harder part is adjusting the main loop for *spectating* < 1343343452 638583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you have to bypass the normal game loop stuff < 1343343497 609410 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd write another view for that < 1343343514 820338 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to define computer game. so far stuck on "interactive software which has no output except for the user interface, and" which isn't going to hold < 1343343525 626033 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would simply display the changes < 1343343573 233696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yeah, the problem is that it still needs a main loop of some kind, and I still need to handle keypresses from the platform code < 1343343577 375543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can quit < 1343343590 672158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: save files are output < 1343343596 516656 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1343343596 881684 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1343343601 668356 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i closed xcode < 1343343624 163966 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too lazy to open it to see the code < 1343343661 757127 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. and i disagree personally with interactive < 1343343683 936691 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe a movie can be an extreme example of a game < 1343343719 141242 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :freaking continuums make it hard to categorize things < 1343343805 721281 :TeruFSX!~quassel@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343343819 18831 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1343343861 467738 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8AA58.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1343343900 388521 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the ultimately linear game would be about Warsaw's subway system < 1343343927 482565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: anyway ideally it would be able to synchronise *visible game state* rather than terminal output, because broadcasting each little twinkle of water is inefficient, but... < 1343343943 600175 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1343343948 669212 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not good enough at natural language to express exactly what i am thinking but i am going to try anyway < 1343343995 376471 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing about game is that it is only a subset of computer programs < 1343344048 62043 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the program utilizes audio, video, input, output, networking, it cannot be determined if it is a game < 1343344087 305449 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such a subjective thing < 1343344235 155999 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i am concerned, among the worst programs in the world are retail business data entry programs < 1343344244 346550 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in the worst case the whole screen weights circa 33,2 kB < 1343344313 248250 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me, it could be squished into 26,5kB < 1343344362 614211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: well only updates are sent so it is a bit better < 1343344372 309743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is a lot better than your average YouTube video :p < 1343344459 239240 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we'd also need a server, at least to list the active games < 1343344524 31466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i already have a server and the server software itself would be pretty eays < 1343344527 458574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just going to hack up a python script < 1343344528 781454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*easy < 1343344625 635508 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sputters slightly more at Google Fiber
< 1343344626 571630 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's symmetric. < 1343344695 866497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the first thing to ever make me think "if only I lived in kansas city" < 1343344756 646179 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1343345166 828529 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking kansers < 1343345254 440814 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically they are launching it in two cities < 1343345261 375209 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are named kansas city bot only one is in kansas < 1343345287 413216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1343345381 955388 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world < 1343345452 942144 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admire how the nicks on the right of my screen manage to form a collection together < 1343345862 244872 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm, I just checked the code < 1343345882 225587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too! < 1343345887 170889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been doing a lot of checking the code < 1343345891 63249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoyingly little writing it, but i am getting there < 1343345897 540311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO.c is sort of a mess < 1343345904 756488 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1343345968 46506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am basically writing it messily and hackily and then I will attempt to clean it up once I have demonstrated that the basic principle is sound < 1343346335 958003 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust simplelock http://sprunge.us/XNMY < 1343346345 374547 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_simplelock: 34.6 < 1343346359 907028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that is simple < 1343346451 776864 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hill's become weak to locks < 1343346462 488987 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1343346475 680995 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1343346489 960448 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just the example program from the wiki with a longer pause at the beginning < 1343346651 522216 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the funny thing about that lock is that it would lock different programs depending on whether the pause is odd or even length. < 1343346671 927085 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and changing the odd-even parity of a rush could trivially beat it < 1343347039 336102 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1343347171 680359 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric