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:edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342663033 6324 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342663639 935719 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Rust looks more-or-less like the "improved C with concepts borrowed from functional programming" I've been looking for . < 1342663881 468463 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though some design choices are a bit odd. < 1342664282 971230 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342668917 540064 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342670435 218643 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1342671098 779868 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-140-72.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342671109 523119 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-171.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 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190629 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Time Cube site now links to cubicao < 1342681890 162964 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1342682677 523898 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1342684692 774424 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342684731 61467 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342686012 872580 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1342686692 747620 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342687110 204256 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1342687141 523551 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1342687147 534619 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1342687231 562318 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B13.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342687951 937168 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342688436 857861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1342688723 760671 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1342689299 200048 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :idusti20 < 1342690022 924112 :idusti20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :itidus21 < 1342690273 441630 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342694548 148834 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1342696213 663891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I saw the IMEC tower construction thing you mentioned, yesterday. < 1342696254 676270 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :) < 1342696660 778576 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342699967 536275 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342700502 107971 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-247.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342700538 186878 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-205.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1342700930 407471 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342701421 219710 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1342701641 743959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you live at a hotel all that time in Belgium or how does that work? < 1342702035 525913 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His house in Finland is actually a caravan. < 1342702037 388045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342702085 264460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :last topic change: today | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1342702102 754997 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342705468 282314 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1342705622 674741 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342706835 961127 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1342710356 270641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's this "apartment-hotel" kind of thing, they have a monthly rate that's noticeably cheaper than per-night hotel costs and a tiny kitchen-alike and so on. < 1342710393 42675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If it were a longer trip we'd have rented a place, but people aren't generally so interested in renting out apartments for just a month, and it'd have been a bigger hassle. < 1342710408 203931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cost difference for just one month isn't so big anyway. < 1342710472 189218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The university has some visitor apartments too, but those are reasonably booked, and they have this thing of prioritizing more official partners and whatnot. < 1342710494 542440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And those aren't free either, the hotel is I think only about double the cost.) < 1342711065 414835 :kallisti_!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: why do you forward port 3128 in hackbot? < 1342711069 471120 :kallisti_!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net NICK :kallisti < 1342711627 777026 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342713246 534507 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: HTTP proxy < 1342713821 262205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1342713885 245603 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so I've been playing around with having persistent environment variables. but I haven't found a way to do to my liking. < 1342713906 76784 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some things you just don't want persistent, but having a long list of --unset options feels wrong too. < 1342713940 973975 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for a bit I had persistent cd and environment variables, using a version-controlled .env file that keeps track of the environment between invocations. < 1342713958 661145 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided I'd rather not have persistent cd. < 1342714137 134519 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless there's a first-principles way of defining “some things”, I think you're stuck. < 1342714149 513875 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, PWD, USER, HOME, and OLDPWD < 1342714151 899206 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and _ < 1342714164 574187 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I doubt that's everything < 1342714344 624635 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way env displays functions is weird < 1342714362 315734 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f=() { echo < 1342714362 509823 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1342714483 713070 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1342714577 21218 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :env... displays functions??? < 1342714584 171048 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that some shell built-in env? < 1342714592 179096 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/env certainly can't. < 1342714600 541784 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bash thing < 1342714617 727283 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try: < 1342714621 262842 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f() { echo; } < 1342714623 610053 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :export -f f < 1342714624 718954 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :env < 1342714809 687193 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342714919 576996 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342714973 962552 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1342715067 575087 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I got in the Haskell Weekly News quotes! < 1342715077 888086 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're Haskell famous now! < 1342715087 654884 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1342715096 914851 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm Haskell famous, and Northumberland famous < 1342715098 288889 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: looks like declare -p will display only variables and ignore exported functions < 1342715112 200104 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this ensures that, while I can't support exporting functions, they won't break anything either. < 1342715114 217874 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, /usr/bin/env ;) < 1342715128 401186 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the env I'm using < 1342715152 130810 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried /usr/bin/env, same output < 1342715159 834091 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ builtin env < 1342715163 659292 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-bash: builtin: env: not a shell builtin < 1342715222 7138 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it looks like declare -px is the way to go < 1342715227 948372 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I'm to go at all. < 1342715344 81363 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAT < 1342715346 122756 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so confused < 1342715353 296757 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even understand how functions CAN be exported. < 1342715467 941687 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1342715476 106973 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :h4x < 1342715605 73838 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I may just give up on this. < 1342715620 649104 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only immediate purpose I see for a persistent env is to annoy other people by messing it up. < 1342715671 218805 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: also git > hg < 1342715684 905957 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "git" > "hg" < 1342715686 65745 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1342715689 734658 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies. < 1342715711 583263 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to go lookup the revision number to revert a change < 1342715715 186558 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just `revert HEAD < 1342715727 975168 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or `revert HEAD@{1} for the previous one < 1342715748 891394 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it bad that when some rules of equivalence were described, my first thought was "Hey, that's a Category!" < 1342715810 109144 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you have to categorize everything? < 1342715815 125689 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't you just let it be what it is, man. < 1342715826 644697 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I severely doubt that that one, extraordinarily minor advantage can make up for the fact that git has, by a wide margin, the worst UI of any piece of software I have ever had the mispleasure of using. < 1342715829 985760 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've used HP-UX. < 1342715840 504201 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Category cat => Equivalence cat where rev :: cat a b -> cat b a < 1342715862 784949 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you know you /do/ actually have to read the manual to use git properly. < 1342715868 935868 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do. < 1342715872 416138 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's why it's fucking terrible. < 1342715881 329103 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so goddamn unintuitive that I have to read the manuals repeatedly. < 1342715882 14825 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a flexible piece of software. < 1342715890 974318 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that comes with a bit of learning curve. < 1342715892 699494 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, flexible in the sense that you have to bend over backwards to use it. < 1342715909 74269 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the dwarf fortress of software? < 1342715927 493415 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think dwarf fortress would be the dwarf fortress of software... < 1342715940 153791 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: eh, once you get used to it, it's intuitive. < 1342715946 913394 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the dwarf fortress of non-game software? < 1342715948 456046 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used it plenty, in fact. < 1342715949 941449 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, I haven't done anything complex with merges and branches < 1342715959 674066 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for single-person use it's pretty straightforward. < 1342715961 248143 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until I finally ditched it for hg-git, anyway. < 1342715972 992719 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I do everything with hg, and my life is much improved. < 1342715997 571101 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: but how do you forward-port local commits to the update upstream head! < 1342716002 685902 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*updated < 1342716030 544235 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg rebase < 1342716035 509658 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1342716078 733095 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: still, for this usage, using git actually results in an improved UI over hg < 1342716092 632155 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you no longer have to look up the commit hash < 1342716112 518764 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea whether I actually have to look up the commit hash for anything *shrugs* < 1342716128 510255 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can use negative numbers or something like that for tip-minus-n. < 1342716182 417225 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : revision < 1342716182 569110 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : indicates a changeset which can be specified as a < 1342716182 569275 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : changeset revision number, a tag, or a unique sub- < 1342716182 569382 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : string of the changeset hash value < 1342716198 996344 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless one of those things includes what you just said < 1342716201 704905 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1342716203 265649 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrugs* < 1342716222 236232 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so you've found the one piece of good corn in the giant steaming festering pile of shit that is git's UI. < 1342716335 291449 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's any consolation < 1342716345 345904 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't found a way to add an --author option to git revert < 1342716396 673211 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'd have to use --no-commit and then manually commit with the --author option < 1342716758 968304 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it looks like changing PWD has no effect on umlbox's actual current working directory < 1342716759 164079 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, looks like PWD never does that. < 1342716781 860044 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's not how PWD works. < 1342716783 907539 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's read-only < 1342717312 971363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rotating a 3D coordinate system in the fourth dimension should switch it between left and right handedness right? < 1342717625 685971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you rotate it the whole way. < 1342717800 559118 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the tetris J L problem? < 1342717846 50300 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite possible < 1342717859 138362 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know theres a C word for this < 1342717867 175504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not if you rotate it the whole way. <-- well obviously < 1342717872 793509 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how can you possibly not like git? < 1342717872 945732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : is that the tetris J L problem? <-- ? < 1342717888 857126 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Chirality? < 1342717894 771347 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the one! < 1342717897 698467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is the name of the 4D equiv of right/left-handedness? < 1342717902 330377 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a C word, it's a chi word < 1342717911 238985 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sou ka < 1342717931 574187 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not sure there's a unique equivalent < 1342717940 554943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, oh? < 1342717952 862331 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :handedness is a peculiar property of 3 dimensions caused by the existence of a vector cross product < 1342717967 956146 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shared only by 7D which also has a cross product (because octonions yay) < 1342717994 709004 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: I thought I already explained this. Its UI is so horrendous that I honestly cannot believe that it was created solely by incompetence and not malice. < 1342717999 382377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is that so, but what about the 2D case then, where you can't just rotate the coordinate system between one where x points left, and the other where x points right (in both cases having y point up) < 1342718007 720805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that a form of handedness too? < 1342718049 93853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I completely agree < 1342718056 149891 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you mean that. Well, it's because permutations of three basis vectors are defined up to a product of (123) by sign < 1342718072 462185 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course permutations of 2 are defined uniquely by sign < 1342718099 793188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you should have some similar phenomenon in 4D surely? < 1342718113 728417 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas in 4 dimensions you can apply, say, (12)(34) which has positive sign and is not a product of (1234) < 1342718119 808670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1342718127 344729 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are just too many degrees of freedom < 1342718127 551600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking in 4D is so hard < 1342718138 79360 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I've got persistent environment working (including exported functions), with some minimal filtering of variables (SHLVL, PWD, and OLDPWD aren't stored) < 1342718150 577684 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Sweet :) < 1342718153 334308 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of left- and right- handedness, you have about four cosets in S₄ < 1342718161 651089 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably if you mess up the environment then you can just revert it back. < 1342718163 694819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, S being? < 1342718170 880602 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :symettric group < 1342718180 448814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I read enough math for this... < 1342718187 886573 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(n) is the symmetric group on n letters < 1342718220 626661 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in 2D we had S₂ which is just Z₂, so we can define handedness by a sign < 1342718229 389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1342718243 486171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in S_3 we have...? < 1342718259 466330 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 3D we had S₃ which is D₆, so we have a sign (from the permutation signature) and then the quotient by that is just Z₃ < 1342718273 96839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, what is that you are working on? < 1342718276 840255 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i think it may be best for us humans to begin by thinking in 4d using chess style < 1342718292 124625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, right < 1342718297 739610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly reasonable so far < 1342718308 573519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, what do you mean? < 1342718356 372008 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm adding hackegos sandbox stuff to my perl bot, using git instead of hg, and playing around with possibly new features. < 1342718373 61848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, ouch, git < 1342718374 487297 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 4D we have S₄, we quotient out Z₄ and that leaves something of order 6... < 1342718382 592905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, also iirc that sandbox is debian specific < 1342718389 148358 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't really get the aversion to git
< 1342718390 271684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, hm okay < 1342718390 566217 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1342718394 298916 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just eas to install on debian < 1342718396 694262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, plash? < 1342718399 137182 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm running debian anyway so it's okay. < 1342718399 478385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought it was < 1342718401 32301 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no umlbox < 1342718403 775967 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: things like chebyshev distance applied to 4d < 1342718407 710538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, oh he used plash before < 1342718419 84235 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :umlbox is gregor's creation. < 1342718421 733099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1342718433 83055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, ? < 1342718454 450815 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need something other than cartesian geometry for thinking in 4d < 1342718461 597358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1342718467 527776 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :umlbox shouldn't be appreciably easier to install on Debian than anything else. < 1342718470 538249 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's too hard the cartesian way < 1342718476 855296 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't use plash any more (which is Debian-specific), I use umlbox (which is not). < 1342718501 233661 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: you use abstract linear algebra and formalisms, instead of trying to visualise stuff in your head < 1342718507 210065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, what if the 4D problem I want to represent depends on the Euclidean distance? < 1342718510 256709 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because meatware graphics adapter sucks < 1342718519 224896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, indeed < 1342718532 661438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely unrelated, anyone here ever used OpenGL ES 2.0? < 1342718556 152356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering how much of my knowledge of OpenGL 3.0 I can carry over to embedded opengl < 1342718559 375778 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has convinced himself that S₄/Z₄ is isomorphic to S₃
< 1342718561 972890 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to begin with, i think one must abandon the notion of applying a meaning to each dimension in order to think in 4d < 1342718593 550303 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as, x dimension being east/west, left/right, horizontal < 1342718601 857400 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "handedness" in 4D is a permutation on three letters, unlike in 3D when it's 2-valued < 1342718609 65313 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y dimension being north/south, up/down, vertical, top/bottom < 1342718623 671613 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: don't apply meanings to things at all < 1342718625 174167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: From the little I recall, it's kind of similar than late OpenGL in that they dropped most of the fixed-function pipeline. < 1342718626 707023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : itidus21: you use abstract linear algebra and formalisms, instead of trying to visualise stuff in your head <-- quite, but that becomes less useful when you are thinking about handedness < 1342718628 469411 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :z dimension being in/out, close/far < 1342718656 651364 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hm, would it be possible to set up ssh to log in to a umlbox instance? < 1342718656 840001 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4D is simply the space of functions from the four-point space [4] to the real line R < 1342718681 77114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, assuming your functions only return one value < 1342718682 575088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1342718684 227346 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Hrm. In principle, yes. In practice, yikes. < 1342718685 348889 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, because representation theory and groups and shizzle < 1342718696 614113 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: um, definition of function much? < 1342718714 944017 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i think ideas like, east/west, left/right, horizontal, north/south, up/down, vertical, top/bottom, depth, in/out, close/far, are unhelpful in 4d < 1342718723 566158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, you can have a function that returns a vector, can't you? < 1342718727 322896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm under the impression that the shading language is pretty similar, though. < 1342718737 444843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, thanks < 1342718746 406235 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: just assign one of your dimensions to "time" and all of those other concepts still make sense. < 1342718748 493598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my opengl 3 knowledge should be pretty useful then. < 1342718755 779430 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, but in this case the function's codomain is the real line R I already < 1342718759 989833 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specified that < 1342718773 413729 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: that's not as helpful as it seems < 1342718788 170961 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer to think of finite 4d space as a linear set of cubes < 1342718792 84035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, hm < 1342718797 614886 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to visualise a rotation in 4D, you're stuffed, you can't set theta = omega * t and watch it spin < 1342718836 766245 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a vector is in fact a function from a finite space to a field < 1342718859 14931 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance a real 3-vector is a function from the three-point space [3] to R < 1342718893 553443 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with infinite 3d space is that you can't line up such cubes < 1342718894 799675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, is it now, so what real value does, for example, (1,2,3) yield? < 1342718896 537399 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just have this convention of power-associating cartesian direct products to notate the same thing < 1342718922 417309 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1342718923 16105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (1,2,3) will obviously yield either 1, 2 or 3, depending on which of the three possible inputs you give. < 1342718924 819992 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (1,2,3) isn't a member of the three-point space < 1342718936 804714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, I guess that is one way to see it... < 1342718937 240276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming (1,2,3) is the vector. < 1342718960 407107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, huh? I'm not a mathematician, you completely lost me < 1342718962 353478 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vector (4,5,6) is the function sending 1 to 4, 2 to 5, and 3 to 6 (treating [3] as {1, 2, 3}) < 1342718972 186390 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the three-point space is a set with three elements < 1342718998 567951 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :endowed with the discrete topology so that we can talk about topological notions like continuity wrt. functions from it < 1342719001 121704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, how is (1,2,3) any different from (4,5,6)? < 1342719001 579194 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to visualize in 4d space, you would really need to give up part of your brain < 1342719015 14147 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are both vectors < 1342719019 771429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1342719023 126389 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the three-point space is {1,2,3}, not (1,2,3) < 1342719026 826226 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a set < 1342719052 903342 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1342719062 897600 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say that the vector (1,2,3) is the inclusion function from [3] to R, because it maps each x in [3] to the same x in R < 1342719069 374279 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, I have no clue what a three-point space is. I don't even know which branch of mathematics that is from < 1342719086 342340 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :topology < 1342719088 977239 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342719091 902461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I never studied that < 1342719107 233715 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a topological space that as far as you care is just a "set with three elements" < 1342719108 170133 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342719115 164487 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which we write as [3] or {1, 2, 3} < 1342719115 332932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1342719123 110744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems a pretty boring set < 1342719162 544415 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well, what is rotation? < 1342719188 253459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it is easiest to think of as a transformation matrix on a certain form < 1342719189 570599 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-154-219.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342719196 269633 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a point on it's own cannot rotate, correct? < 1342719197 61876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know offhand what it looks like in 4D < 1342719212 535991 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess a point can only be rotated around another point < 1342719217 633033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, sure it can, you can't tell that anything happened though :P < 1342719230 152401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotate (0,0,0) and you still get (0,0,0) < 1342719264 346485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : i guess a point can only be rotated around another point <-- i.e. you mean a vector between those two points < 1342719280 476184 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. i mean.. only a vector can be rotated? < 1342719316 786441 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is a point a vector? :D cries < 1342719320 497398 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck math < 1342719326 27010 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ;_; < 1342719330 326117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you mean in linear algebra? < 1342719342 332452 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: a rotation is an affine map on a vector space with an invariant space of codimension 2 and a positive determinant. < 1342719345 76481 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there. < 1342719345 228087 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean in relational algebra < 1342719348 755478 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ;_; < 1342719374 968608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, affine? Isn't it linear? < 1342719381 998421 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you rotate around origo of course < 1342719385 979594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where else would you rotate < 1342719393 323691 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I chose not to make that precise assumption < 1342719398 484347 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just kidding by the way < 1342719441 967192 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you change "affine" to "linear" you then get the definition of a rotation about the origin < 1342719448 468758 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't hate math that is < 1342719472 131582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, that is good though, you can just do a translation before, and another after and you can rotate around any point < 1342719562 604771 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342719583 931567 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : itidus21, sure it can, you can't tell that anything happened though :P <--- cool < 1342719608 328815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, btw, I hope I never have to do a flight simulator, fuck quaternions. < 1342719637 731712 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4d translation is easy enough < 1342719639 575714 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: quaternions are fucking AWESOME < 1342719650 275412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, well I would have to try and learn how they work < 1342719652 205180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1342719656 609794 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i ill considered this < 1342719678 261363 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah easy enough < 1342719684 731130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it is just a 5x5 matrix with a homogeneous coordinates I presume? < 1342719697 434227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :coordinate* < 1342719706 276775 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1342719716 830167 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my method of visualizing a 4d finite space is a line of cubes < 1342719735 683131 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cubes made of smaller cubes < 1342719738 631454 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: you already said that < 1342719741 847977 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1342719752 939513 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so.. in that way, its really very easy to imagine a translation < 1342719781 50139 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :translating along w is simply like a passenger going from carriage to carriage in a train < 1342719801 508264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: you can convert Celsius to Fahrenheit using a 2x2 matrix (homogeneous coordinates) < 1342719810 611777 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1342719814 800236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the details of how you had to set it up < 1342719831 296550 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since Celsius to Fahrenheit is an affine transformation on R < 1342719832 744651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works < 1342719841 494623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is R_1) < 1342719860 933020 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, just consider the temperature to be an 1-dimensional vector :) < 1342719883 208903 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342719885 361047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 2D, you have the homogeneous coordinate < 1342719892 874947 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1342719957 922830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out < 1342719963 239964 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in order to translate... < 1342719966 386594 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work < 1342719970 454841 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rotate < 1342719974 578620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what doesn't? < 1342719990 285592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh your abstraction < 1342719991 105593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1342719998 341683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why it is useless for that < 1342720000 581924 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1342720009 116412 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. in order to rotate, i would try to basically create a 2d plane < 1342720023 550604 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. i can't < 1342720032 456748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to stop imagining what it looks like < 1342720036 260135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not possible < 1342720039 637094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You need something like [C;1] as "input" (where C is the temperature in Celsius), though. < 1342720046 138976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you are on LSD or something < 1342720050 498629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't do drugs, kids) < 1342720064 552790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well obviously: well, 2D, you have the homogeneous coordinate < 1342720079 803960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also, what a weird way to write a vector < 1342720083 398942 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you mean (C,1) < 1342720084 151432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1342720109 179709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the MATLAB matrix notation. < 1342720127 234099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and then at the end you get (x,w) and you get F by dividing x by w < 1342720134 721975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1342720140 779675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a b c; d e f; g h i] being a square matrix with a, b and c on the first row. < 1342720144 641358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1342720154 771843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get [F,1] directly, I'm pretty sure. < 1342720155 565538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well don't do that syntax on me, I'm not used to it. < 1342720160 180151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do GLSL if you want < 1342720168 600430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, really? < 1342720172 981563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1342720180 341191 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1342720241 551300 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342720260 41567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To use the notation you don't like, [a b; 0 1]*[C; 1] = [a*c+b; 1]. < 1342720274 352286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :a*C+b to not lose the uppercase. < 1342720276 436311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a an b being? < 1342720277 801086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then just make a and b the numbers you need. < 1342720283 807019 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my row of cubes would look something like w- [+]/ [+]/ [+]/ [+]/ w+ < 1342720288 447619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever the Celsius-to-Fahrenheit conversion numbers are. < 1342720292 265482 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1342720313 293534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I remember I worked them out (for the divide-by-w case) and they ended up as some simple ratios < 1342720319 277199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 3/5 or some such < 1342720385 648504 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1342720400 729794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy to work them out again, also I don't remember exactly how atm, would need to look it up. (Damn you libraries making me forget how to do this by hand when doing OpenGL) < 1342720418 702576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly you *can* do that. But you could also set the matrix up so that it returns a proper homogenous (F,1) vector directly. < 1342720434 519189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is this only in the 1D case? < 1342720462 255209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or why do we not do that in OpenGL, instead of dividing by w at the end to get the projection < 1342720499 192874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; you can obviously get any affine transformation from [x; y; 1] to [p; q; 1] by multiplying with a matrix [a b c; d e f; 0 0 1], with a, b, c, d, e, f being the parameters of your affine transform. < 1342720540 618412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall some SVG stuff only takes the two upper rows of the matrix for that reason. < 1342720551 929367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work for projection matrices since the projection isn't an affine transformation. < 1342720563 101867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342720570 792959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1342720596 739399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what sort of transformation is the projection then... < 1342720627 897333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1342720634 537795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it depends on what you put in your matrix. < 1342720709 535054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about a perspective projection? And then what about a orthographic projection? < 1342720873 979973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, with glFrustum i.e. perspective projection you get [a 0 b 0; 0 c d 0; 0 0 e f; 0 0 -1 0]*[x; y; z; w] = [a*x + b*z; c*y + d*z; e*z + f*w; -z] and then that turns into [-a*x/z - b; -c*y/z - d; -e-f/z; 1] and that nets you the /z you of course need in a perspective projection. < 1342720898 803573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here a, b, c, d, e, f are suitable parameters derived from the left, right, top, bottom, zNear, zFar given. < 1342720925 70107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That matrix was from man glFrustum, incidentally.) < 1342721054 293967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And normally of course the input w=1 and that bit with the z coordinate of the output is to map [zNear, zFar] into the proper range for the depth buffer, which is [-1,1] or something like that. < 1342721072 338998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, glFrustum is fixed function right? < 1342721076 786799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never worked with that old API < 1342721081 194661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's one of the old ones. < 1342721086 791668 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean in modern terms :P < 1342721103 994406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sets the projection matrix to that. < 1342721107 823569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342721116 650730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The projection matrix being one of the things that gets automagically applied. < 1342721268 971294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1342721494 39565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall the documentation is written as if the system would first multiply the geometry with the modelview matrix, then the projection matrix, and then there was maybe a third one, but of course a reasonable implementation is free to multiply those all together. < 1342721547 8418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not the third (viewport matrix) since it happens after the /w thing. < 1342721591 500710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what if you are doing stuff in between the modelview and the projection though < 1342721606 59609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't think of something to there at the top of my head though < 1342721609 239374 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342721614 11936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can do stuff there with the fixed-function pipeline. < 1342721621 384430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1342721642 671174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone code for the fixed-function pipeline these days < 1342721854 170905 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1342721855 835002 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1342721920 46099 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me < 1342721923 364338 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, oerjan < 1342721932 315934 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*future/past oerjan < 1342721936 476203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm which shaders do OpenGL ES even have? Just vertex and fragment? I'm unable to find the docs atm... < 1342721944 76352 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, oklopol < 1342721962 482894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :any tessellation shader? < 1342721964 795037 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Taneb did you ever have a go at programming in Eniuq? < 1342721966 447136 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey taneb. < 1342721970 399186 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1342721973 179832 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1342721974 472394 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1342721982 609667 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been in Durham since Monday < 1342721988 895585 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have another look at it now < 1342721994 816826 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea Taneb are you the tangent of e flat < 1342722012 364551 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1342722055 985752 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a joke for mathematician-musicians with a retarded sense of humor < 1342722058 923197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :god dammit, the android documentation for the relevant classes are mostly empty. Presumably you are supposed to refer to the OpenGL ES 2.0 spec instead to figure out what the functions do < 1342722077 252849 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that would be tanE♭ < 1342722092 375106 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely different capitalisation and moar unicodez < 1342722098 641614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1342722106 243235 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't pronounce that < 1342722124 563829 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I get that! < 1342722126 24848 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1342722128 223788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, how do you normally pronounce E♭? < 1342722133 764240 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mis-parsed tangent < 1342722146 855269 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm referring to finger pronunciation < 1342722160 785313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, I can translate that as a single word in Swedish < 1342722165 726191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in English :/ < 1342722251 975768 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it does make more sense to refer to the already-existing OpenGL spec instead of incorrectly duplicating all information < 1342722272 392153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, true, but it is more annoying < 1342722290 224176 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's pronounced "S" and spelt "Es" in German, if that helps < 1342722307 142137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, something like that in Swedish too < 1342722307 787240 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likes "H" for B♮
< 1342722312 15353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ess rather < 1342722320 123194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, I hate that < 1342722332 249771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is mostly found in older literature < 1342722351 468074 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1928.txt - does anyone know where I can find what should happen *after* CONNECT has been done (forwarding should be specified right?) < 1342722357 993577 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that b non-modified? < 1342722371 77181 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :one tone beneath c? < 1342722383 865375 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We call that 'h' around here. < 1342722388 553781 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a half-tone down is 'b' < 1342722400 721269 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes b == ais < 1342722403 281796 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and h == ces < 1342722409 713591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that is how it is in older literature in Swedish too < 1342722418 832831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowdays we do it the logical way < 1342722442 239290 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would be? < 1342722457 754927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'd guess just vertex and fragment shaders, yes. But I'm no ogles expert. < 1342722467 562858 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdefgabc? < 1342722487 826012 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and distinguishing between b-b and b-flat? < 1342722493 431988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebGL is IIRC OpenGL ES 2.0 -based. < 1342722536 197775 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :our system uses cdefgahc < 1342722555 38455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they do H in Finland too. At least it was that way back in music lessons in school. < 1342722559 409581 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's interesting when you get a part marked "Trumpet in B" and you wonder "Does it mean B♭ or H? Is this at-pitch or do I have to transpose up a semitone?" < 1342722568 135695 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway H was due to someone misreading the original idea iirc < 1342722586 729638 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :c,cis,d,e,f,fis,g,gis,a,ais,c,cis or c,des,d,e,f,ges,g,a,b,c,des < 1342722608 556263 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a note "cis" you have to have one called "trans" as well < 1342722614 455624 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isomers ftw < 1342722637 315966 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trumpets usually are Bb then ;) < 1342722640 357155 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all the talk about donkey kong, i've never heard anyone actually comment on the way that mario's footsteps play a melody < 1342722643 932478 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there also trumpets in C and D of course. < 1342722657 186669 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it H < 1342722659 734473 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not a very exciting melody < 1342722662 896479 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you've confused me :) < 1342722671 677211 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but .. i have broken enough topics tonight < 1342722672 292452 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: true. But I actually play the cornet, which is almost never in C or D. Sometimes in E♭ though. < 1342722682 228434 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But usually B♭ < 1342722690 676401 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bb < 1342722703 923820 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on my tone measure thing I have to set it to two b's < 1342722705 729596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Is ais523 in there somewhere too? < 1342722715 788146 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird. < 1342722719 519463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, in Sweden we do (complete list): c/biss, ciss/dess, d, diss/ess, e/fess, f/eiss, fiss/gess, g, giss/ass, a, aiss/bess, b/cess < 1342722752 222666 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :From time to time I get horn parts, which are usually in F but sometimes in Es or even As (A♭) < 1342722770 213749 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1342722771 273134 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. < 1342722785 460593 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you play trumpet and horn parts in an orchestra, you have to be able to transpose ;) < 1342722800 271576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's interesting when you get a part marked "Trumpet in B" and you wonder "Does it mean B♭ or H? Is this at-pitch or do I have to transpose up a semitone?" <-- just count the number of # or ♭ at the start of the score? < 1342722815 514853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that should work for piano music, does it work differently for trumpet music? < 1342722818 219381 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My flugelhorn is Bb < 1342722818 767811 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION once played in Beethoven's 7th, trumpet in D, having seen the part only a couple of hours before
< 1342722825 548248 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :measured against C, 442hz < 1342722828 455761 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, what is that instrument in English? < 1342722838 306783 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called Flugelhorn in English. < 1342722841 906989 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: unfortunately, orchestral trumpet parts often don't have key signatures < 1342722843 939971 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Flügelhorn in German :) < 1342722846 154122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, ouch < 1342722854 760312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, okaay < 1342722867 225969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: GLSL ES spec only speaks of vertex and fragment processors. But OpenGL ES 3.0 (which should be out any day now, I guess, this year anyway) is supposed to be based on (regular) OpenGL 3.3, so I suppose it might have some geometry shaders. < 1342722870 658382 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally i can say Flugelhorn in english < 1342722901 505154 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok. < 1342722901 793521 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342722909 668137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the b on my measure thing is a real b < 1342722914 40532 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as Bb is one tone benath C < 1342722915 829226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I care for tessellation shaders, not geometry ones. < 1342722929 935973 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I once had a part for trumpet in A, which would have been in C... that means, I was transposing it into seven flats, woo < 1342722939 902007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway, that won't help when working against current mobile devices. < 1342722965 503837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Isn't that just a use case for a geometry shader? Though I'm not terribly current on modern OpenGL. < 1342722970 921117 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets out his garklein-flötlein (which is in C)
< 1342722972 751235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there will be hw support for it maybe next year, unless existing hardware can support it in theory? < 1342722988 85346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geometry shaders are those things that can create new primitives. < 1342722993 604137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you need to wait maybe 5 years or so before it becomes common enough that it is worth requiring. < 1342723028 98932 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: theres better ways to spend life than providing 3d apps to mobile market < 1342723028 548287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my experience is that geometry shaders are rather slow for doing that. It being more efficient to just make a larger array of vertex data. < 1342723038 327674 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as swimming in money for example < 1342723053 712563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, tessellation shaders don't suffer that problem, presumably because they are more restricted. < 1342723054 65304 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Vorpal � nowdays we do it the logical way" lolol < 1342723076 556901 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah h is used in finland < 1342723080 168005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: theres better ways to spend life than providing 3d apps to mobile market <-- Right? < 1342723089 892199 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1342723115 638073 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is not to make a console which can play mobile apps on a tv with a gamepad < 1342723129 110384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed not, I don't care for consoles < 1342723131 844810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use them < 1342723138 472869 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mroman � c,cis,d,e,f,fis,g,gis,a,ais,c,cis or c,des,d,e,f,ges,g,a,b,c,des" what? < 1342723156 762521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, he forgot the black key between d and e < 1342723165 234655 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342723166 187028 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1342723175 284411 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bad. < 1342723191 501233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, presumably those backwards people in whatever country he lives in don't understand how it works < 1342723193 292770 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :dis or es that'd be < 1342723197 703911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they write their music without it ;) < 1342723229 776486 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1342723251 148594 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you forgot dess/gauss < 1342723264 171208 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's one thing he forgot, yes < 1342723276 4924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, right, I didn't bother to read further < 1342723286 231707 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-154-219.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1342723294 451025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, gauss? < 1342723297 40895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1342723302 680257 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gess or giss? < 1342723321 28863 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :g-sharp or g-b ;)? < 1342723326 296501 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the problem with this system, it makes no sense so people make mistakes very easily. < 1342723335 794902 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it was a "mistake" < 1342723339 510159 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ? < 1342723345 356304 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tone system makes perfect sense. < 1342723353 216357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I don't /think/ I missed anything when I listed the Swedish names < 1342723356 172990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1342723356 483336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 100% sure though < 1342723360 442375 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: gauss is a mathematician < 1342723360 594012 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly no sense, yes < 1342723367 338393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, so it was a joke? < 1342723372 987699 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does not make sense? < 1342723377 58594 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. < 1342723383 86950 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you didn't < 1342723415 960753 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really not much of a joke < 1342723430 664300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Tessellation shaders seem to be an OpenGL 4.0 thing, so I wouldn't count them being even in ES 3.0, though it's of course possible. And yes, you might have to wait a while for hardware support. Though e.g. the ARM Mali T-604 (which is in Galaxy Note 10.1, due out in a week and a half) seems to claim ES 3.0 support already. < 1342723434 612784 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's retarded. < 1342723443 984750 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What and why? < 1342723464 295200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Thanks, oerjan <-- yw. for what? < 1342723489 786196 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance it teaches people that C major is "easier" than D major. < 1342723497 289518 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and F# is just fucking crazy < 1342723512 985729 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's "easier" supposed to mean? < 1342723520 842839 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, reminding me about the Thue-Morse sequence < 1342723522 560329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well it's functional, of course it's crazy < 1342723524 879273 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea, i use the sensible system. < 1342723533 647484 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fucking integers < 1342723533 799546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ah. < 1342723537 126566 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew there was a connection between functional programming and retarded musical notation < 1342723547 903116 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342723559 676721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: puns connect all, man < 1342723559 828435 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason guitarrists prefer tabs, they make sense < 1342723566 887123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1342723569 374442 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you move one note up, you move your finger one note up < 1342723578 835954 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, C major has no bs and no sharps < 1342723583 805698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about the CPU in Samsung Galaxy S3? < 1342723591 71882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you check if that is the case < 1342723597 395579 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the standard notation is great if you write everything in C major. < 1342723600 341848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err GPU < 1342723602 514358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not CPU < 1342723603 61715 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it easier because you don't have to rember them < 1342723610 147602 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or infer them using tone distances. < 1342723630 353870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see what's retarded about the notation, if you use a keyboard < 1342723636 691406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that is a Mali-400MP < 1342723643 659230 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-55.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342723645 837378 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-247.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1342723658 413679 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as long as it's in C major, nothing. < 1342723663 541122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nope < 1342723666 908238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: WP "Mali (GPU)" lists ES 3.0 only for the new T604 and T658. < 1342723668 295391 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: What's the problem with d major? < 1342723669 189179 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have a transpose button < 1342723670 956764 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has two bs, so? < 1342723677 303393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh well < 1342723680 370162 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1342723682 328085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :two sharps < 1342723694 732056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um you realize the unadorned letters match the white keys, i assume < 1342723700 235086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, interesting that it list renderscript for that as well, that is cool I guess. < 1342723701 376029 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it has two sharps so it's two harder. i've met decent musicians that really think like this. < 1342723716 813099 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unadorned? < 1342723719 514750 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is. < 1342723724 970413 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to memorize how many sharps it has < 1342723727 219260 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1342723732 341497 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i know what that is < 1342723735 516489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that if you encounter an f, you still know that it is a fis and not an f < 1342723743 666710 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in C major, yes. < 1342723754 553668 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that hard, but I get why one could consider it harder < 1342723768 150534 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to memorize how many sharps it has and where they are < 1342723781 312608 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. < 1342723786 783261 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a big deal imo. < 1342723792 820620 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people spend years learning this when they could just learn the fucking integers < 1342723802 790109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a fis. < 1342723805 389329 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :integers? < 1342723808 533691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1342723812 652914 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hz? < 1342723815 387938 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the integers, yes < 1342723822 179984 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is? < 1342723825 540657 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every tone has a number? < 1342723828 752830 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1342723828 904672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well the ARM page only lists OpenGL ES 2.0 for T604 < 1342723833 504167 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :put 0 somewhere. < 1342723853 15950 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and? < 1342723860 888185 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's your notation < 1342723866 124319 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I have to memorize tones as integers? < 1342723875 366029 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you write how long that 0 is? < 1342723875 517954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems it is planned for those new higher end ones < 1342723877 672034 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-48.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1342723878 764092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1342723884 553634 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you have to remember that first note is 0, the second is 1, the third is 2 etc < 1342723899 356384 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you don't. You only use it for shitty instruments like guitars that just ring as long as they ring < 1342723901 415949 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i usually use 0. < 1342723908 309329 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a dot at the end, not a perio < 1342723909 42204 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1342723914 162268 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, the standard notation is great if you write everything in C major. <-- enum notes = {c,cis,d,e,f,fis,g,gis,a,ais,c,cis or c,des,d,e,f,ges,g,a,b,c,des}; < 1342723914 497144 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :First < 1342723920 796081 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cant assign every tone a number < 1342723925 351535 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1342723927 707725 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is C? < 1342723930 78218 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1 is cis? < 1342723931 357024 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 is d? < 1342723937 176824 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i added the <-- < 1342723948 535538 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a pun on write everything in C < 1342723954 24681 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes < 1342723965 131212 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do recognize why this system is flawed? < 1342723966 250300 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais should be 523 < 1342723968 808109 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1342723989 821126 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are you perchance a nethack player? < 1342723995 300779 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1342723997 669648 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just assume half-tones steps < 1342724004 616581 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ais523 is a regular in here? < 1342724008 669172 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though there are quarter-tones steps < 1342724011 297770 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more < 1342724014 971452 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd make < 1342724016 178077 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5? < 1342724017 768715 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to play nethack, but I'm not very good at it < 1342724020 327983 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: enum tags should typically be in uppercase and begin with FOO_ for enum foo < 1342724029 641857 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they don't have their own namespace unlike struct tags < 1342724039 697864 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need them, come up with a notation for them. < 1342724042 990091 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that makes memorizing majors and minors just plain PITA < 1342724050 171423 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is he? I don't recall seeing him here < 1342724062 770924 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :memorizing? < 1342724066 446866 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a system behind those bs and sharps < 1342724070 614905 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've... never encountered him outside this channel < 1342724072 617809 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck do you need to memorize < 1342724083 31928 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know he plays nethack a lot, he tried to teach me < 1342724097 833069 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: D major has two sharps < 1342724098 19999 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I recognise him from #nethack < 1342724098 192076 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ais523 < 1342724105 20016 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that tells me which tones it contains. < 1342724107 908162 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :28) after all, what are DVD players for? \ 87) so a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.com might be self-relative, but a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.l.com always means a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.l.com.? \ 88) let's put that in the HackEgo quotes files, just to completely mystify anyone who looks back along them in the future \ 95) (still, whatever possessed anyone to invent the N-Gage?) \ 96) theory: < 1342724112 400868 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log ais523 < 1342724130 808210 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt know the 523 fwiw < 1342724135 934944 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the system behind those bs and sharps is that when you add 7 to {0, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11}, only one number changes, and this holds by induction. < 1342724144 984575 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1342724148 319728 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and adding 7 happens to be a natural thing in music < 1342724150 169640 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log ais523 < 1342724157 845182 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taken (mod 12) < 1342724167 966949 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-03-17.txt:21:14:16: just checked, it's calling /usr/lib/llvm/gcc-4.2/libexec/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.2.1/collect2 < 1342724185 476035 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, but the point is with the "integers!" system, you have to memorise {0, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11} < 1342724188 17034 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a great observation, and it's useful to know, but basing the whole notation on it is really, really stupid. < 1342724204 660082 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :two sharps tells you which tones it contains? < 1342724207 924755 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1342724220 950044 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, what's a fifth above 0? Oh, it's 7, that's random < 1342724228 854870 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :two shaprs is f-sharp and c-sharp < 1342724240 761273 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a minor seventh is 10, what is this shit < 1342724241 373579 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's d -> d with f-sharp and c-sharp < 1342724243 633194 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. etc. < 1342724310 222762 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would work using integers of course < 1342724321 59051 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't say that it is for the better. < 1342724330 511103 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :D is two sharps because you need to jump two fifths up to get there from C and the first sharps are f and c versus with my system transposing two steps up means you move two steps up. < 1342724334 344572 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is easier? < 1342724352 166244 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you want to do even the shallowest of analyses, in tab you can't < 1342724356 197883 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to remember *anything* < 1342724368 641319 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342724370 113931 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how long does it take to work out whether {2 5 9} is a major or a minor chord? < 1342724381 61587 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what about {2 5 10}? < 1342724399 356729 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas if I say "D F A" and "D F B♭", it's much easier < 1342724409 160423 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1342724412 514879 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're D minor and B♭ major, and it's totally obvious < 1342724420 502035 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esperanto is easier than english < 1342724420 913184 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even have to compute anything mod 12 < 1342724426 42138 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a great system for the concert pianist, but for a casual user or someone playing an instrument not built on the C major scale, it's a needless PITA. < 1342724436 445608 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But people don't seem to switch to it :( < 1342724444 844658 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a great system for anyone who wants to /understand/ the music they're playing < 1342724457 237315 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I hardly can imagine it being that hard to learn @the current system < 1342724460 526629 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, i'm not touching this aspect, i just prefer calling retarded things retarded and leaving it at that. < 1342724493 428732 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're going to play off tablature, you might as well just take yourself out of the loop and strap a MIDI controller to your instrument < 1342724524 150088 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're not going to be producing meaningful expression if the notes are coming at you as a bunch of numbers < 1342724526 673236 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-142-231.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342724531 89897 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have either not tried to learn it, learned it in about 6 years through usage as a kid, or are smart. < 1342724532 779303 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-55.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342724562 709311 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm smart then, because it didn't take anything /like/ 6 years to learn < 1342724585 423816 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five lessons of flute playing and you got the system < 1342724590 860102 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well enough for casual use. < 1342724599 277804 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hated it from the beginning because it made no sense, so i never really became fluent in it, i just usually read the score and played from memory so i wouldn't have to look at that horrible shit < 1342724601 617041 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the harmony theory kinda use. < 1342724617 130872 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've playde 5 years in an orchester and I have no clue about harmony theory stuff. < 1342724622 64533 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*played < 1342724635 920241 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342724647 884766 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1342724667 329596 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1342724675 924136 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342724677 979565 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, I'm in here so I know when certain people come online, ignore me < 1342724689 411145 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know any harmony theory either < 1342724691 972682 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And most regular musicians not studying music have no clue either. < 1342724715 251760 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i would agree it's beautiful if someone showed a theoretical reason for it. < 1342724721 77713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, HELLO! < 1342724727 213623 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1342724730 778438 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1342724741 993319 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The system stays because people are used to it. < 1342724743 367797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, come on, there is no way we are going to ignore you < 1342724753 553663 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like americans to their stupid system of distance measurements ;) < 1342724758 238252 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the trivial set theoretic lemma which i have heard trained musicians praise in music class all my life ofc < 1342724759 979515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, we like you far too much < 1342724761 534088 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, you seem to have a lot of underscores after your name < 1342724761 698003 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes no sense at all . < 1342724768 494428 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: this channel is boring, though < 1342724771 441133 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, I am avoiding someone < 1342724780 521236 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aah < 1342724782 969725 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also < 1342724784 293473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, can you recommend any less boring channel? < 1342724785 819100 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :May I ask who? < 1342724792 94996 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mile is different in probably every country that has that term :) < 1342724793 131489 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it me? :(((((((((( < 1342724798 209160 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you don't know them < 1342724800 249495 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's me i know it is :( < 1342724801 62241 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not really < 1342724801 214698 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1342724803 443134 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with what thing you travel. < 1342724805 476902 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's oklopol < 1342724808 58143 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not oklopol) < 1342724812 319846 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i KN... oh. < 1342724814 497608 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they came here, he probably wouldn't be hiding here < 1342724822 928364 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, I made it into the Haskell Weekly News quote list! < 1342724829 682264 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what set theoretic lemma? < 1342724832 100519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, just use an /ignore on whoever it is? < 1342724835 175231 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: link? < 1342724835 588800 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I saw! < 1342724839 366830 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the circle of fifths?) < 1342724846 211420 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you will be the next elliott < 1342724850 98835 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it the next shachaf < 1342724858 110638 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dream is to upload a package to cabal once :) < 1342724858 716155 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of us had quotes in subsequent issues for aaages < 1342724860 643866 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1342724862 387544 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: http://contemplatecode.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/haskell-weekly-news-issue-236.html < 1342724863 450352 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to hackage once < 1342724868 592507 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, way ahead of you < 1342724872 974689 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hackage family-tree < 1342724873 126535 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/family-tree < 1342724884 116515 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thalliott___. < 1342724888 327161 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be shachaf < 1342724926 769726 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" like, what's a fifth above 0? Oh, it's 7, that's random" only random because you're used to the retarded system, it's seven half-tones which i guess is fitting because you're a half-wit. < 1342724929 630844 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the secret is that most of the hwn quotes are bad < 1342724940 803884 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who chooses them? < 1342724944 477745 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it oklopol? < 1342724947 481358 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um, what? < 1342724951 568006 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott___, just use an /ignore on whoever it is? < 1342724952 534255 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My latest quote on #haskell was < 1342724959 501564 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would not solve the issue, I'm afraid < 1342724960 552937 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now that I'm finnished writing my code I can throw it away" < 1342724983 186695 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, oh? Report whoever it is to staff if he is harassing you. < 1342724984 742312 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is that with the tab system you have to memorise how many semitones there are in a perfect fifth < 1342724991 645218 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or she I guess < 1342725002 832404 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, use the fact that lambdabot is often an op you are a lambda-op to permanently ban them on all the channels that are worth it? < 1342725003 257523 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is what I'm usually doing when I finnished a code project) < 1342725016 381245 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnished a code project? < 1342725031 202833 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you know. < 1342725038 947117 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hm. I'm gonna write $thing it'll be fun. < 1342725045 635437 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :koodin projekti? < 1342725046 435167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, anyway can you recommend any less boring channels? < 1342725046 606098 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm, I don't feel like going to the trouble and it probably does not qualify as harrassment < 1342725047 907485 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. finnished. rm -rf /path" < 1342725055 861558 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i already said not really :p < 1342725056 32351 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes the cycle of fifths < 1342725069 814156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, which channels are you in apart from this one though? < 1342725071 734157 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: looked at eniuq yet? < 1342725079 669638 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, it looks... interesting < 1342725082 943812 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1342725108 905618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, anyway how do the person avoid /ignore? changing nick? changing host? < 1342725121 601288 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I will just answer in /msg as that would be easier < 1342725124 880936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, sure < 1342725133 784066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, I only wish to help you < 1342725149 848536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Completely destroying things is a very Finnish thing to do, yes. < 1342725160 617417 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is finnished spelled with one n? < 1342725169 832769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think it should be "rm -axe /path". < 1342725171 324955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, yes. < 1342725177 985965 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We' I be damned :( < 1342725182 51192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not when you actually Finnish something. < 1342725183 312627 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: like kill -overboard? < 1342725186 200000 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1342725197 370369 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: but finnished is a reference to finland for almost free < 1342725199 153592 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant when I finished writing my code I delete it afterwards. < 1342725217 378453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of shouting outside, huh. Which is strange since this is a quiet part of town < 1342725218 935336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you keep binaries? < 1342725224 239816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1342725228 753483 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on purpose. < 1342725229 918933 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I think it's turing-complete, but I'm buggered if I can prove it < 1342725390 338275 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I find binaries lingering around < 1342725393 947864 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seldom. < 1342725405 739942 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-97.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342725416 963010 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when I do, i delete theme. < 1342725428 733037 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not completely finnished if you still have binaries lingering around < 1342725440 56356 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1342725441 524666 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-142-231.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1342725476 147182 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*them < 1342725511 40448 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I move servers all my eso stuff is gone :) < 1342725522 966164 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 1,190,000 results for "finnished", About 709,000,000 results for "finished" < 1342725534 499876 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use backups. < 1342725537 622887 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im actually surprised theres > 1m for finnished < 1342725553 880140 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's a common spelling mistake < 1342725554 31936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: i see you and vorpal mention n-dimensional handedness and groups in the logs but no mention of O(n) vs. SO(n) matrix (lie) groups? < 1342725562 858794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well so far anyway) < 1342725577 145687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i guess Vorpal implied that would be too heavy) < 1342725631 772235 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the google results say nokia is finnished < 1342725657 372130 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342725680 524377 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, I seemed to be confusing people quite thoroughly enough without O(n) and SO(n) < 1342725692 929686 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you do the work required for me to feature another language please, it is so overdue < 1342725695 152803 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1342725742 452368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1342725792 793832 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how everyone is adding languages without putting them on the language list these days < 1342725817 992863 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there a language list separate from Category:Languages? < 1342725818 633055 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, I upgraded MediaWiki the other day! < 1342725824 497468 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: because it has a nicer organisation < 1342725841 137068 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally it would be generated from the category < 1342725857 117063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just write a mediawiki plugin for that < 1342725860 580204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun with php < 1342725887 28905 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll pass < 1342725921 346809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, there was an ad for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Cola in a restaurant the-day-before-yesterday. < 1342725925 195270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, they were all out. < 1342725939 96362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1342725943 569837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The company had brought them two cases for promotional use, but they hadn't managed to get any more. < 1342725945 878045 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh.. must be a rival to open source cola < 1342725958 650743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not related to the operating system as far as I know. < 1342725964 177025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would've been kinda-sorta funny. < 1342725999 729937 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ubuntu Cola should not be confused with "open source" colas such as OpenCola." ah ok < 1342726000 519634 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannonical going into the soft drink industry < 1342726012 253659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the hippie-est place I've been in quite a while. http://leuven.lovinghut.be/BG-LEUVEN-EN/home/ -- see e.g. the bits about Supreme Master Ching Hai. < 1342726049 890668 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where is that mentioned? < 1342726061 115946 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: have you ever noticed that all third-brand colas taste identical < 1342726075 17929 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that coffee looks nice < 1342726087 412909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Environment" and "About us" pages, at least. < 1342726099 805874 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu is the solaris of the cola world < 1342726212 655855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, there was nothing wrong with the food, and they weren't aggressively hippy or anything, it was mostly just the web page. < 1342726236 765127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the "oh so fair" organic ice tea/lemonade was kinda bitter. < 1342726268 588729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It said "oh so fair" in the can.) < 1342726273 212039 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ubuntu is the solaris of the cola world < 1342726276 489797 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :853) ubuntu is the solaris of the cola world < 1342726308 726815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1342726363 940299 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, says someone who comes from the home of Fentiman's < 1342726369 237378 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a german beer named Fucking Hell < 1342726405 542862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: not austrian? that's where Fucking is, afaik. although they're not too keen on the pun. < 1342726421 409528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hell for beer in german means light, i think) < 1342726448 630137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. < 1342726454 407754 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell is "clear" < 1342726454 646765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helles < 1342726466 484894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they were reconsidering the name change again in Fucking; last time it didn't go through. < 1342726472 610552 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The EU's trademarks authority has permitted a German firm to brew beer and produce clothing under the name "Fucking Hell"." < 1342726479 654088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: well the pun would work, anyway < 1342726526 170971 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're correct, thats what the beer means, it's not meant to be an expletive < 1342726528 548170 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1342726529 684504 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1342726531 344729 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"light" < 1342726544 222860 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott___, says someone who comes from the home of Fentiman's < 1342726546 831778 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have disgraced my town < 1342726549 706919 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the sense of coke light < 1342726557 429204 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342726557 790906 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342726558 205605 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342726558 357432 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, :( < 1342726558 593645 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342726558 915450 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342726560 200713 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like light brown :) < 1342726563 806382 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( :( :( < 1342726572 979293 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" < 1342726594 664944 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :655) oh my god that is one ugly solution beautiful < 1342726594 865407 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :477) beautiful summer / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck < 1342726595 114011 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :501) it's the pain of the gaps argument no matter how good your robot is at feeling pain it's never close enough < 1342726595 285729 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :716) ... goddamit I'm having a discussion about the literary qualities of a Pokemon game < 1342726607 620715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :en:light can be either no:lys(t) or no:lett, which have the two different meanings < 1342726628 265304 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, all of those are bad except the first three < 1342726628 855686 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparentely the Sign of "Fucking" is stolen by tourists a lot :D < 1342726630 151451 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so two of them are bad < 1342726634 807316 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alsothe first one is quite bad and the second one isn't so good < 1342726639 210708 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((:< )S:^):^ < 1342726639 574450 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< ...too much output! < 1342726642 126899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that americans use light to mean low-calorie beer, while norwegians use lett to mean low-_alcohol_ beer < 1342726645 576420 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third one is good though, probably the best quote in the database < 1342726650 710930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I believe that's a major reason why they keep considering the name change. < 1342726654 951991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has ... confused some tourists. < 1342726725 30791 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Renaming a City because it's name has a different meaning in some other languages is < 1342726728 32191 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. < 1342726736 219519 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are probably thousands of such cities :D < 1342726739 775212 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or villages. < 1342726756 126236 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that it was during one of the wars that the Fucking people learned of the problem < 1342726808 626604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have some sort of a numbering scheme when it comes to beer; they have grades I (0-2.8%), III (3.7-4.7%), IV A/B (4.8-5.8%/above) where the %s are alcohol volume percentages. < 1342726817 362525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grade II isn't in use in Finland. < 1342726825 792303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i saw in a newspaper article that they recently managed to get the sign secured enough that some thieves gave up. whether that lasted, it naturally didn't say. < 1342726838 717420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they dug a foundation for it.) < 1342726860 229992 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1342726880 850148 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign media reports about a stolen sign in some very small village? < 1342726890 482514 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn media. < 1342726914 302175 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The devil of this epoch. < 1342726924 174574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yep. < 1342726974 23650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, no one is about to change the name of Hell, half an hour drive from here. in fact i think someone suggested changing the name of the whole municipality to Hell. < 1342727022 800468 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's stupid to rename stuff because of it's meaning in a totally different language. < 1342727037 720464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all we know westend might be a term for assface in some african language. < 1342727040 469874 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a wonderfully named place in futurama < 1342727042 441771 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there's a Hell in Jamaica, too < 1342727060 951860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : except that americans use light to mean low-calorie beer, while norwegians use lett to mean low-_alcohol_ beer <-- we do the same in Sweden (lättöl is low alcohol) < 1342727068 404837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah i think that was mentioned last time we had this kind of discussion < 1342727107 832820 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a place somewhere down south called Bishop's Itchington < 1342727124 789369 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Professor: "Good news, everyone." Bender: "Uh oh. I don't like the sound of that." < 1342727140 701675 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1342727144 162600 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Professor: "You'll be making a delivery to the planet Trisol." Bender: "Here it comes." < 1342727162 53913 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Professor: "A mysterious world in the darkest depths of the Forbidden Zone." Bender: "Thank you, and goodnight." < 1342727181 624384 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leela: "Uh, Professor, are we even allowed in the Forbidden Zone?" < 1342727186 519382 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's Dubbeldam in Nederland :) < 1342727194 688221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: this kind of silly news is of course traditional summer news in norway and probably elsewhere, it's called "agurktid" ("cucumber time") < 1342727202 273788 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Professor: "Why, of course! It's just a name, like the Death Zone or the Zone of No Return. All the zones have names like that in the Galaxy of Terror." < 1342727217 797659 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus: :-) < 1342727228 231674 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dubbeldam = Dubbel + Dam(m) < 1342727236 300615 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ Dam(n) < 1342727237 601194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because it also includes news like "giant cucumber grown in namdal" or whatever < 1342727247 371514 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means "stupid dam" in my language :) < 1342727303 306311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how the fuck can there be a cross platform library between windows, linux, os X, android and javascript/webgl. How does that even work.... < 1342727303 838059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall any Finnish place names that'd be stupid in other languages (I know about). Though "Ii" is pretty stupid overall. < 1342727379 414754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm can't think of any Swedish place with such a name either, though there probably is one < 1342727381 167473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, look at the road sign in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ii,_Finland for example.) < 1342727385 497854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((Finnmark )S:^):^ < 1342727386 329089 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark Finnmark ...too much output! < 1342727420 390917 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342727420 696705 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342727421 1331 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342727421 153247 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that merited a laugh aloud < 1342727421 304950 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342727421 464379 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342727434 49028 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :505) now theodore seuss is dead... so screw him < 1342727445 972935 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol what < 1342727449 91466 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :112) And... WTF is it doing. :( Is it sexing? < 1342727449 493991 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :283) * Received a CTCP VERSION from nyuszika7h * VERSION Microsoft IRC# 2011 64-bit (Windows 8 Beta, x64, 2GB RAM) Gregor: Windows 8 Beta? o_O A small benefit of my brief time as an intern at MS. < 1342727449 645624 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't swedish have a verb "fuck"? < 1342727449 797397 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :398) The wickedest man of all. Surpassed only in wickedness by the wicked witches of the west and east. you talking about me again? Yes. k < 1342727451 860187 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :281) Phantom_Hoover: if the list is in random order, like poor ehird here < 1342727456 532041 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does not mean english fuck? < 1342727464 160436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the Swedish name for Ii seems better < 1342727481 503527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ijo < 1342727492 577245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of strange still < 1342727542 758005 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe that was another language < 1342727566 868183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway there is Hjo in Sweden (pronounced "jo", no that is not how it should be pronounced normally, it is a strange exception that the h is not pronounced in this case). However "jo" is colloquial for "yes" < 1342727574 980012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They have an "Yli-Ii" (Överijo) too. < 1342727583 197669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice < 1342727597 942994 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342727602 987683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you pronounce Ii or Ijo? < 1342727603 234500 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish has "fick" < 1342727604 965689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wait, swedish pronunces h in hj? < 1342727608 878089 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means fuck in german. < 1342727616 187888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, is that a location? < 1342727620 447792 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1342727626 218804 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I know. < 1342727633 993804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, actually, no not usually, I guess < 1342727637 647880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1342727647 948007 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theres ficksmossen in finnland < 1342727660 280189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well actually we do sometimes I'm pretty sure, but very faintly < 1342727673 759560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, might be dialectal? < 1342727676 133680 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those quotes are mostly good.. i think mine is the poorest of the lot < 1342727693 157441 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-48.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1342727719 341539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I think it is dialectal and only in some words that we pronounce that. Can't think of any examples atm though < 1342727723 82838 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know life is tough when you're getting sympathy from fungot < 1342727724 5086 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: mr president, i should like to focus is the programme's budget to eur 2 500 million over a period of four months for the preparation of the first pillar receives the aspect of travel outside the european union < 1342727755 272363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'd pronounce "Ii" as /i:/. I don't really know about Ijo though. < 1342727760 239167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1342727778 31157 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although nobody considers my language as an official language :D < 1342727839 889765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a small island somewhere with a stupid Swedish name (thanks to your "ö" word), but I've forgotten it. < 1342727850 703260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Så var har du varit?" "Hjo." * gives up on finishing who's on first parody. < 1342727863 918665 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ö word? < 1342727869 272077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, anyway we have "sex" as both "six" and "sex", the latter meaning a loan word from English < 1342727895 220208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :D < 1342727902 125080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, ? < 1342727907 152539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ö = island < 1342727953 260375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's also silly ø names in Denmark. (Norwegians seem to have made it a bit arguably less silly øy.) < 1342727954 393154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(langauge designers: get your priorities straight when deciding which words need short representations!) < 1342727969 482568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we have "Å", though. < 1342727973 846813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, silly ö names? What < 1342727993 700265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you have a short thing before ö, it can easily lead to something stupid. < 1342727995 189620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also å means uh... what do you call something between river and stream in English? < 1342728006 997834 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how so? < 1342728036 634379 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have some words that sound funny in english, but dunno about writing < 1342728064 823198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umeå < 1342728068 906249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, IMO short names are more easily silly-sounding. (See: Ii.) < 1342728069 724853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about it? < 1342728082 642358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it _is_ sort of funny sounding, isn't it < 1342728102 741889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well, not to me < 1342728114 361258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess "uh-eh-oh"? < 1342728117 472121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have an Å in Norrköping, apparently. And Norway was just lousy with Ås. < 1342728119 832516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :um* < 1342728120 330146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grong < 1342728148 721534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, eh? I don't know the geography in Norrköping, is it an å named Å < 1342728160 988362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a village. < 1342728167 656863 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: We too. < 1342728167 826184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :åh < 1342728174 611223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, ? < 1342728177 878616 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least poo without the aspiration means tree. < 1342728178 30442 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1342728182 145233 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode is not working :/ < 1342728182 652245 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In german there is "sex" and "sechs" < 1342728188 510054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342728194 920839 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But swiss german does not hav a sound distinction between x and chs < 1342728196 179186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i wasn't aware we had _that_ many. < 1342728197 554123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Though I'm sure there's some sort of a stream nearby. < 1342728198 504476 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but real germans have. < 1342728200 468777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1342728219 893422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wikipedia lists 8 current, one former. < 1342728228 863942 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: is it dialect-dependent whether it's pronounced sex or se*cough out your lungs*s < 1342728251 591880 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't have unicode so i'll use this layman's description.) < 1342728253 996778 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any swiss dialect which would pronounce them differently. < 1342728258 560312 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342728263 182791 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you just answered that. < 1342728276 262149 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so whether it is "sex" or "sechs" is inferred from context. < 1342728285 104247 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps not < 1342728291 89778 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1342728296 741871 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know one :) < 1342728309 840950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a number-"joke" that if you say 9 in English, then 9 in German, then 9 in Finnish, and interpret the whole spoken thing in Finnish, it vaguely sounds like saying "I fucked approximately nine" in Finnish. < 1342728323 38814 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pronounced "sächs" in some dialects. < 1342728348 74409 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and chs depending on dialect is either x or *cough your lungs out * ;) < 1342728353 171719 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that doesn't help, how is ch pronoun... oh. < 1342728387 834522 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to pronounce ch? < 1342728388 24564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Nain noin yhdeksän", and the Finnish pronounciations of "nain" and "noin" kind of approximate en:'nine' and de:'neun'.) < 1342728391 350508 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah alright. my german teacher in elementary school kind of sucked (the r is really hard, you can just use the finnish one). < 1342728392 561945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Although nobody considers my language as an official language :D <-- your language is neither french, german, italian or ret * looks it up * romansh? < 1342728411 347571 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like you got slime in your pharynx and you want it to get out :) < 1342728424 330267 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-103.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342728427 873399 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Some swiss consider swiss german to be an own language ;) < 1342728445 119462 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-97.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1342728452 933069 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "nain noin yhdeks�n" means "i married about nine". < 1342728472 215368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's arguable. < 1342728479 690024 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when it comes to "how to pronounce $thing in swiss german" I can probably give you six alternative pronounciations :) < 1342728490 628678 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pronunciation < 1342728525 113040 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although swiss german is dying of course < 1342728527 904711 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it? < 1342728530 285511 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to the influence of regular german. < 1342728530 473946 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could only tell you the german german pronunciations, which aren't exactly germane < 1342728573 890547 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :German has at least two different "ch" sounds. < 1342728578 769147 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't think of another meaning < 1342728585 947957 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one in "Ich" and the one in "Ach" < 1342728635 946339 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ich is the normal h and ach the lung thing? < 1342728670 787158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :germane german germs < 1342728677 602878 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read part of the group theory article in german wikipedia today and understood pretty much everything in the first two paragraphs :) < 1342728683 896319 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yeah. < 1342728695 304621 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342728695 968760 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342728696 621512 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342728697 119120 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342728697 591983 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342728706 503612 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although your lungs have nothing to do with it. < 1342728709 725433 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :385) what would you ever need petrol for newsflash: it doesn't actually taste that good < 1342728721 597047 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was something like hinterundereinander which i couldn't quite understand. < 1342728721 803007 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more of a snore sound :) < 1342728724 250938 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :97) I want a patent on common sense It wouldn't get me much though >_> < 1342728724 457351 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :30) I am not on the moon. < 1342728725 512135 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :764) the allocation is done by the "Dynamic" in DRAM before that we used SRAM where everything was preallocated in the factory olsner: So what's this SDRAM then? fizzie: synchronized, it's for multithreading < 1342728725 677330 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :613) Spacegoat is the network-operations-optimized-for-latency-of-minutes-or-hours-due-to-light-speed-limits variant of scapegoat, to be used when you need to check out some code from the Mars colony. (I'm pretty sure we'll have established a Mars colony by the time scapegoat rolls out.) < 1342728734 349034 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hinter und untereinander < 1342728736 174017 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yeah it was a silly description < 1342728738 708615 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 97 < 1342728742 223170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: See sense 2 of http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/naida < 1342728742 374999 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie? < 1342728743 217311 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan? < 1342728753 700682 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops it was Hintereinanderausf�hren < 1342728772 15686 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remeber 764 < 1342728808 378540 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hinderenand usfüärä < 1342728814 469361 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuhren with umlaut means to lead and kill jews and shit, aus is out, einander is each other and hinter is behind. < 1342728817 981084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume 764 would be funny if i knew the terms. < 1342728819 756706 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lead out behind each other? < 1342728820 790581 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: No. < 1342728832 727841 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342728835 782503 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the lead part ;) < 1342728836 240454 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hint: they do not mean that < 1342728862 946159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Although your lungs have nothing to do with it. <-- your uvula may not survive, however. < 1342728865 270772 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :einander isn't each other? < 1342728889 119250 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :einander is each other < 1342728891 249187 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm at least pretty damn sure that hinter is behind < 1342728909 152010 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct. < 1342728926 378222 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just mean that's not the way to actually understand that? < 1342728932 949339 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i kind of figured that might be the case < 1342728949 976428 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 97 < 1342728952 573453 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :To what are you referring no? < 1342728954 38188 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* I want a patent on common sense It wouldn't get me much though >_> < 1342728954 749767 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rest < 1342728956 302817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: that is what i assumed < 1342728967 544680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally we have eradicated common sense! < 1342728993 710081 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hintereinander is one after another < 1342729008 307145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anaufhinterinnebenüberuntervorundzwischen < 1342729010 606884 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on context of course. < 1342729019 852078 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also unzerlegbaren is awesome, legen is put or something, bar is able, zer is often about breaking shit, un is, well, un. so this means indecomposable. < 1342729022 402511 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does your language not have spaces? < 1342729037 706396 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean unzerlegbar < 1342729038 192486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spacesareoverrated < 1342729039 601462 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! < 1342729070 402946 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it means you can't take it apart. < 1342729078 240078 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: sorry copypasted. < 1342729103 719433 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the en is a case thingy. < 1342729108 20318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so basically if you see zerführen, it's time to run as fast as you can < 1342729108 876434 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know the linguistic term for that. < 1342729113 616015 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unzerlegbar < 1342729118 719666 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ein unzerlegbares Objekt. < 1342729119 936264 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: btw what oerjan said is something foreigners use to learn those, do you learn them? < 1342729123 872265 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mit einem unzerlegbaren Objekt. < 1342729127 589347 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes i know how nouns work in german < 1342729160 930191 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you mean 22:16 < oerjan> anaufhinterinnebenüberuntervorundzwischen < 1342729163 72923 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1342729182 665670 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unzerlegbaren in this case was, afaiu, the genitive case of something in plural. < 1342729188 859983 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes < 1342729196 561388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prepositions governing either accusative or dative, depending < 1342729200 411086 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eine der herausragenden mathematischen Leistungen des 20. Jahrhunderts ist die Klassifikation aller einfachen endlichen Gruppen, also der unzerlegbaren Bausteine aller endlichen Gruppen. < 1342729205 348710 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by "do you learn them" < 1342729208 788919 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have to learn german. < 1342729232 640651 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not anymore. < 1342729237 820935 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i assume you still have some sort of german lessons, so i was wondering if there's some reason to learn those. < 1342729245 43339 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342729245 715749 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342729246 169758 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342729246 605145 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342729249 658843 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it 4 or 5 < 1342729250 745536 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342729255 250789 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :818) And I may soon lack both a head and a wall < 1342729257 370265 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean had in school < 1342729262 633036 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :540) I tend to debase64 with perl -MMIME::Base64 -e 'print decode_base64("...");', because at least PERL stands for "PERL ein't-no ruddy-poo lol-GNU". < 1342729265 183019 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Yes. < 1342729268 633526 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :194) For instance, Jesus' Y chromosome was clearly GOD'S. < 1342729269 154844 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :719) I hate you. < 1342729269 526348 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :472) Sgeo_, the origin of suffering is desire for e-book readers. < 1342729286 842819 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :719. < 1342729295 860197 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Swiss learning German is something totally different. < 1342729304 135979 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We just pronounce stuff differently < 1342729307 884435 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :durchfurgegenohneum... something :D < 1342729311 907962 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is what 4 or 5? < 1342729316 835071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have own words for some stuff. < 1342729317 48126 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :again i can't do umlaut on this kb < 1342729325 404057 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 719 < 1342729328 831654 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* I hate you. < 1342729329 284174 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But besides that a swiss does not need to learn german vocabulary. < 1342729342 293422 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: the number of quoutes < 1342729368 939262 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like you have to ;) < 1342729373 471357 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have grammar and spelling lessons. < 1342729387 847694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and writing. < 1342729392 892749 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: well that's why i was wondering, it seems that datives and accusatives are something that you don't have to learn, so perhaps you've never even heard anaufhinterinnebenüberuntervorundzwischen even though pretty much everyone who learns german in finland has. < 1342729429 51040 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the most important thing, i bet there are even songs about it. < 1342729440 877667 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, in german we already have datives and accusatives < 1342729444 283439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in fact i'm thinking about a song whenever i try to remember it :P < 1342729446 201272 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no need to learn those ;) < 1342729451 116108 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have the genitive case though. < 1342729470 706000 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But genitive is dying anyway < 1342729481 923205 :WHAT_DOWN!~Yonatan@aegis.CS.Princeton.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :ablative or gtfo < 1342729482 75977 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even germans start using the dative where genitive would actually be correct. < 1342729489 153102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXMQDfwXzSQ < 1342729527 813877 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We say "em ma siis auto" - "Dem Mann sein Auto" < 1342729536 756175 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :genitive is my favorite case in german, i use it for everything < 1342729540 537500 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though technically it has to be "Des Mannes Auto" < 1342729545 239576 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "Das Auto des Mannes" < 1342729557 226366 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1342729561 879396 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342729564 909714 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :germans say that? < 1342729569 283268 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i believe you < 1342729571 628167 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :say what? < 1342729581 523828 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dem Mann sein Auto < 1342729583 533923 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1342729596 408369 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rarely < 1342729603 346633 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "Das Auto vom Mann" < 1342729606 372532 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is quite common. < 1342729623 175057 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Des Mannes Auto o_O < 1342729624 295670 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME epicmonkey < 1342729625 315314 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also not really the correct way to go. < 1342729627 507549 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :EPICMONKEY: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1342729629 20117 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's technically correct?? < 1342729635 973155 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1342729661 784181 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes. < 1342729680 352985 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah on second thought it doesn't look crazy. < 1342729688 642658 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Best known sentence for that < 1342729692 741837 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Des Mannes bestes Stück" < 1342729700 272835 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka genitals) < 1342729716 159546 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's st�ck < 1342729730 980952 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stück? It's "piece" < 1342729747 233627 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :das auto vom mann is taught in school < 1342729754 991556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, Øystein Sunde's funny lyrics are incomprehensible if you don't know norwegian. and sometimes even then. < 1342729758 556700 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as what's replacing genitive < 1342729777 572986 :WHAT_DOWN!~Yonatan@aegis.CS.Princeton.EDU QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1342729780 242425 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Das Auto vom Mann is grammatically correct. < 1342729804 158922 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some people consider it to be bad style < 1342729810 419002 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usually you'd use genitive for that. < 1342729811 308097 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this is also taught in school < 1342729838 455725 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But people don't really "dig" genetive so they avoid it at all cost :D < 1342729854 770093 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do another `quote round, I am lazy < 1342729862 512476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also they're pretty much unpronouncable to anyone else, including norwegians.) < 1342729888 132939 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342729891 88830 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :341) [on Sgeo's karaoke] That is the thing that made me into a gay vampire. < 1342729891 599238 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342729891 750895 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342729891 750979 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342729891 751023 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342729891 903032 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what are you talking about? < 1342729899 461103 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342729902 52368 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you linked something. < 1342729902 494645 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :842) Phantom_Hoover, like Glasgow but nicer So, not like Glasgow at all < 1342729914 703879 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :824) imagine hitting a brick wall really really hard but you don't do anything to it. instead you explode. that's what it's like for people who hit you < 1342729914 873744 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :730) oerjan: Hey, what's your country code for telephonistic dialling from the outside world? fizzie: +47 oerjan: Ooh, you're, like, right next to Sweden there. I... guess you are geographically, too. < 1342729915 31933 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :387) if i became a serial killer, it'd be because i want to kill people, not because i'm crazy < 1342729924 917668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that song that i use to remember the prepositions < 1342729925 391878 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: first sentence had tysk = german!! < 1342729928 278605 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 387 < 1342729931 958301 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* if i became a serial killer, it'd be because i want to kill people, not because i'm crazy < 1342729942 169255 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you learning german? < 1342729942 320873 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's 824's context? < 1342729944 542066 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1342729950 647075 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqys-crawl < 1342729982 481944 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warum lernst du Deutsch :) < 1342729983 935970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wegen des Krieges brauchten wir keinen Genitiven < 1342730030 356815 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: hab keine achnung, kinder tun dumme dinge. also i have no active vocabulary so i can't say anything. < 1342730031 63097 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Genitiv < 1342730049 696411 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you just said genetive yourself :P < 1342730055 382578 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... wir keinen Genitiv) < 1342730056 455142 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :og < 1342730057 736106 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342730060 841069 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were correcting case < 1342730062 113291 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. < 1342730078 315399 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's Ahnung ;) < 1342730080 663526 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ch sound there < 1342730094 629528 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: couldn't it have been a plural of genitive in oerjan's sentence? < 1342730100 299438 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :keine < 1342730114 566992 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :since brauchen perhaps takes accusative < 1342730119 611456 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would require "keine" instead of "keinen", yes. < 1342730121 126702 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh i know nothing < 1342730124 61561 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1342730131 400088 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the plural of Genitiv is Genitive probably. < 1342730144 320824 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of Genitiven. < 1342730161 360982 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't you know? :P < 1342730163 311388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ok, *keine Genitive is what i meant < 1342730173 400816 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay perhaps not if you speak your own version. < 1342730175 365233 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that you can put cases into plural. < 1342730184 154680 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you can it's Genitive < 1342730224 602402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was mainly just flaunting the only preposition i remembered actually using the genitive, anyhow < 1342730239 481783 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: a more elaborate answer would be that we could choose between swedish and german in fifth grade and german is more interesting. < 1342730262 154791 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1342730269 947917 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least you don't HAVE TO learn french in school < 1342730272 576504 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: not enough RAEG < 1342730281 794877 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do :( < 1342730288 204497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: We HAVE TO learn Swedish, though, and that's a point which many people dislike. < 1342730294 642707 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had 8 years french in school. < 1342730302 324489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot everything. < 1342730309 399518 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except my passive reading vocabulary. < 1342730313 5375 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had 12 years of school. i forgot everything. < 1342730334 490416 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should've gone straight to university < 1342730335 494675 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :epicmonkey: raeg < 1342730336 205861 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1342730358 626606 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can somewhat read french based on english < 1342730378 146227 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent two semester at kindergarden university and I learned nothing :) < 1342730385 485561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: show epicmonkey some RAEG < 1342730386 632910 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mr president, the importance of this in ireland where we have to look into our own court. there are three fairy fnord for the poorest countries, modelled on the dublin agenda. < 1342730398 512834 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and today i was reading about crane flies at work in italian < 1342730400 52331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1342730400 896584 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1342730405 973315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: try again < 1342730406 959480 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but, we are far outnumbered! okay! no...! help! no human's gonna talk. we no can call that the chrono trigger. it is r66-y? cool? who knows what would become of my mystics? i must win! < 1342730409 332564 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because one attacked me and the italian article is longer than the english one. < 1342730434 227400 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come there are like three monkeys that have come to this channel < 1342730446 133549 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAN THE MONKEYS!! < 1342730456 311674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's the third? < 1342730473 190021 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like a monkey studying something I don't want to . < 1342730477 761288 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi TOPIC #esoteric :last topic change: today | monkeys not welcome unless they bring bananas | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1342730487 829114 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: who's the second < 1342730491 726786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we cannot ban monqy, he's an essential part of the fundament of reality < 1342730503 159079 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :greasemonkey < 1342730508 55302 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he have bananas, i like bananas < 1342730509 397936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not currently present, which probably means we are doomed < 1342730510 527448 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you ban monqy, ban the others instead imho < 1342730513 573845 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is sleeping < 1342730522 508530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen greasemonkey for ages < 1342730532 678754 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok he's boring < 1342730574 121198 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i think man is the only animal that studies things they don't want to study. monkeys only do it for the bananas. < 1342730592 591993 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1342730603 348013 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess add "without getting bananas in return" after my first sentence < 1342730608 477419 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to live a happy life life has to be simple. < 1342730646 196795 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: this is discrimination, my fellow primate < 1342730679 910658 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :epicmonkey: I'M STRONGLY OPPOSED TO MONKEYS BECAUSE THEIR FUR IS DIFFERENT COLOR THAN MINE. < 1342730716 808654 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :really i'm just jealous because my fur is ridiculously thin. < 1342730738 885739 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then grow it like a boss! < 1342730751 202276 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop waxing . < 1342730785 451737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use drugs for your hair. < 1342730823 40458 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using drugs is cool, as opposed to what everybody tells < 1342730836 979952 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1342730848 199937 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1342730849 181528 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've waxed a few times when someone has told me it really really hurts. < 1342730855 938905 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it doesn't) < 1342730880 72878 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pain is really subjective. < 1342730880 683851 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i shave my beard nowadays because i'm a sheep :( < 1342730885 620969 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1342730972 751614 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have very different reactions to small amounts of pain. i like to think that people still feel them the same way, because i'm a romantic. < 1342731012 696218 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't say so. < 1342731024 558083 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Afaik there are two types of nerves thingies. < 1342731029 603641 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :One that triggers non-pain < 1342731034 152546 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one that triggers pain < 1342731040 105870 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on a treshold. < 1342731065 988620 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can actually distinguish touching something with pain < 1342731081 233890 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you only trigger the non-pain < 1342731085 24557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or from pain < 1342731086 344523 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean "from pain"? < 1342731088 721791 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1342731092 452258 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah. < 1342731099 469795 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :english of me not so good is < 1342731116 808515 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hearing part is perfect. < 1342731118 884904 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually english of *mine* < 1342731120 172485 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the writing part not so much. < 1342731126 595993 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :english of mine not so good is < 1342731131 101841 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1342731140 140424 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :english of mine not so good is sounds still like Yoda speaking. < 1342731160 336963 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which was my intention) < 1342731168 141932 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think poor elliott___ feels left out) < 1342731180 526984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine eyes, what horrors do they see < 1342731189 174046 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Get a beer!) < 1342731205 16074 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you talking about? The real question is: how many monkeys does it take to change a light bulb? < 1342731207 235542 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only parse "sounds still like yoda speaking" if still is an adjective, but perhaps we could leave this subtopic, i'm not sure what its point is :D < 1342731248 374804 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1342731253 991288 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably still sounds ;) < 1342731259 206802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: your parsing is deficient, it should notice the presence of the word "yoda" and switch to a more flexible grammar. < 1342731265 10989 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like an adverb. < 1342731282 191964 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably! < 1342731288 563741 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sorry, I just can't make sense of that. < 1342731290 756709 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: okay good point. < 1342731292 881993 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no im just waiting for the interesting bit < 1342731313 627725 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what oko is talking what more do you want < 1342731325 928536 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1342731327 202688 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1342731345 567869 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah elliott___ i'm being totally interesting here, i even had some caps up there. < 1342731363 294793 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah. < 1342731373 640529 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He used Captain Capslock. < 1342731428 105481 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the transition from touch to pain feels pretty smooth to me. then again perhaps we're not talking about the kind of pain you feel when you press your arm with your finger. < 1342731530 431162 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nociceptor < 1342731549 141850 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if A.I. Wars is a good game
< 1342731592 817044 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think just touching the wall with your finger does not trigger any nociceptors < 1342731612 349517 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you stick a needl through your thumb I guess that'll trigger nociceptors. < 1342731615 692402 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342731652 687888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nociraptors < 1342731705 573138 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, depends, what's it a name for? < 1342731724 455262 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i suppose needles feel rather different than touching. < 1342731726 245156 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tacticalneuronics.com/content/aiw3dnew.asp < 1342731753 535998 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just touching the walls should trigger mechanoreceptors < 1342731796 379016 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's totally not my area of expertise < 1342731806 75033 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I even have an area of expertise :) < 1342731874 590935 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody really knows what a nociceptor is anyway , its god ? < 1342731879 799090 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some areas of being a dick with strong stupid opinions. < 1342731888 734231 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even better < 1342731895 130306 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :way less work < 1342731994 736017 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, it's what detects noces, duh < 1342732015 731428 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a noce is the thing you use to cmell) < 1342732029 54788 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1342732032 430160 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-228-13.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342732035 643257 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that as noticeptors, made more sense :/ < 1342732038 420783 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :salt < 1342732046 799373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Phantom_Hoover -----###
< 1342732057 790685 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you mean < 1342732064 196122 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cwats < 1342732068 764440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1342732077 726662 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure < 1342732084 164900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1342732096 389706 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you cure? < 1342732104 43980 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :his nociceptors would respond stronger to a cwat. < 1342732111 31658 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus you would inflict more pain < 1342732119 854895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noce < 1342732132 287531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be crül < 1342732135 763078 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732136 623020 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732137 3688 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732137 377023 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732137 707487 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732146 40529 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :155) < ais523> then running repeatedly until you get the right sequence of random numbers < ais523> and just completely ignoring the input <-- some people live their entire lives this way, i reckon < 1342732146 754049 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :558) indirect addressing is a facile and inebrious kind of instruction which should be whomped away by languages < 1342732156 537257 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :376) I think I managed something like a one-expression increment that was only a few hundred characters long < 1342732159 865695 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :130) CakeProphet: reading herbert might be enlightening in one hand he held a long worm can be greased. twice i got it nearly there, and the protector of cattle. mars is also mentioned as a rainbow. as a seated baboon sometimes with its head. < 1342732160 58987 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :665) also, why isn't monqy from Hexham? his name sounds like he should be < 1342732175 695436 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732178 838961 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :284) Phantom_Hoover: mutation is often considerably harder for both humans and compilers can analyze it much more difficult' part that induces bloody vomit... huh....intriguing < 1342732183 877162 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you destroyed it < 1342732186 943880 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it must be repeated < 1342732187 731139 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732188 164226 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732188 585749 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732188 949748 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732189 283226 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732189 972203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cwats mroman -----###
< 1342732200 64867 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :371) yes i use the services of a psychic, but i'm considering getting a live one since stuff like "hello $name, your first name $first_name has |$first_name| letters, so by using numerology we can tell ..." is getting kind of boring < 1342732214 68372 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :416) oklopol: Why do you have so much experience with hoop-and-stick? :P Gregor: my fetish: learning pointless skills < 1342732214 264908 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :298) BYE dbc WE'LL BE SURE TO ACCIDENTALLY MENTION YOUR NICK OFTEN < 1342732214 424507 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :74) It's not incest if you're third cousins! < 1342732216 267988 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :748) Two gigabytes is not really much to download. THAT'S LIKE THREE EPISODES OF MY LITTLE PONY < 1342732245 766602 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 371 or 74 or 748 < 1342732252 130051 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably 748 or 74 < 1342732277 204281 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :74, if only because nobody in their right mind considers 3rd cousins to be incest. < 1342732293 832964 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 74 < 1342732297 887415 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* It's not incest if you're third cousins! < 1342732318 437492 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen one of my second cousins, once, and I haven't talked to any. < 1342732320 419327 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732320 859486 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732321 316156 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732321 829127 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732322 725977 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732325 237193 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: have you fucked any < 1342732329 176576 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :243) who is guido van rossum you could say he's a man who grew a beard but acquired none of the associated good properties < 1342732332 80463 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :838) I couldn't survive an apocalypse. I don't even have any bitcoins. < 1342732334 381099 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking is not a requirement < 1342732337 627206 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :835) i have a simple view of reality that goes something like this.. once your sufficiently well tied up.. it doesn't make a difference if your enemy has a knife or a gun.. you're equally screwed < 1342732340 595041 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :484) Oh look, Dax has brought TWO glowy science sticks. SHIT JUST GOT REAL < 1342732341 765290 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :236) Deewiant: Did you take the course at some point and/or were you taking it now and/or did you actually already graduate and/or are you still in Otaniemi anyway? < 1342732347 650436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing isn't, either; blindfolds etc. < 1342732347 802462 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, no < 1342732349 171067 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah let's all calculate our cousin number < 1342732368 206481 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well what are you waiting for < 1342732376 922433 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer the gun. < 1342732382 950346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :236 < 1342732389 148460 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that the one I saw was younger than me? < 1342732398 476303 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: I am make sandbox < 1342732403 830549 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also am made esolang < 1342732406 780232 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :really most of these quotes are pretty stupid < 1342732407 890102 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION good
< 1342732417 610700 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732418 101995 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732418 572662 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732418 725035 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah, let's! < 1342732419 84775 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732419 964054 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342732421 380216 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i just don't get them. < 1342732421 579243 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He can torture you better with a knife than with a gun I suppose. < 1342732425 44682 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My great-grandparents were... < 1342732428 519670 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :794) l is it real I am [...] because of how on earth would I do that [...] I dont even no idea what I'm saying < 1342732430 524700 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... I don't remember. < 1342732432 720620 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :302) i'm really sleep < 1342732442 87898 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :46) Gregor is often a scandalous imposter. It's all the hats, I tell you. < 1342732443 171385 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :621) Real Tar is GNU tar. You just ignore whichever features don't make you feel superior enough. < 1342732443 367302 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :737) northern ireland is quite a way to drag someone from scotland <-- not really. I just checked in google earth Vorpal: but dragging people across water's a bit tricky < 1342732444 765844 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so quoteworthy. < 1342732448 959453 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :302 i mean. < 1342732454 687682 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have always wondered about that < 1342732459 94197 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 302 < 1342732462 590828 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* i'm really sleep < 1342732463 757707 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 46 is bad < 1342732464 553560 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see, who was my dad's dad's dad? < 1342732466 746584 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well according to WP the most recent human common ancestor lived 5000 to 2000 years ago. < 1342732467 811208 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 46 < 1342732471 143475 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* Gregor is often a scandalous imposter. It's all the hats, I tell you. < 1342732478 202048 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: er, that recently? < 1342732479 532154 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have referred to him as Grandpa ____ Swett, for some value of ____. < 1342732480 990566 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wow, 2000 years is stupidly recent.) < 1342732486 87026 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: maybe it is jesus < 1342732488 964153 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are all descended from jesus < 1342732492 156561 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I only remember one Grandpa Swett. < 1342732505 597788 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so hang on is this like one dude we all have genes of < 1342732516 404627 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1342732518 671249 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :236 is such a fizzism :'D < 1342732525 822932 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :da Vinci code 2, twist: everyone is the descendant of jesus < 1342732527 943481 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus had sex? < 1342732535 590142 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i am just checking i got this right < 1342732547 194102 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is his father, or something, isn't he? < 1342732550 836634 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, yes, although in theory you could inherit no actual genes from them. < 1342732562 954954 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there a film where jesus got it on < 1342732567 442549 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not porn i mean < 1342732582 797659 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it on camera or was it the da vinci code < 1342732585 232451 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i'm having a hard time believing it was 2000 years ago??? < 1342732591 751609 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So am I? < 1342732606 831000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: there is nothing in the bible _denying_ it, is there? < 1342732608 420695 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Temptation_of_Christ_(film) < 1342732608 744540 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why wouldn't it be 2000 years ago? < 1342732610 55883 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure, like, America was populated by then. < 1342732614 766370 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :found by googling "movie jesus temptation sex" < 1342732635 193714 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have no idea of what is in the bible < 1342732645 694459 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___ takes the catholic schoolgirl fetish to new heights < 1342732648 734157 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except what people tell what's supposed to be in the bible. < 1342732660 448009 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: there's this god dude < 1342732668 317560 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: Don't know him. < 1342732713 171222 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only christian on a piece of paper. < 1342732735 193826 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK yeah according to WP the Americas have been populated for 17+ millennia so??? < 1342732746 392972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that sort of a point in the davinci code, anyway? (i've never read it, although i can see the one i got as a gift from here.) < 1342732748 67480 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: is the old testament there is so much shit that you shouldn't follow. for example you should kill babies of enemies by crushing their skulls against a rock and you are allowed so sell your daughter as a slave < 1342732750 47072 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually could destroy that paper to save money. < 1342732755 956107 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2000 doesn't seem that recent to me, isn't it just like how any two ppl are butt sex connected by 8 links. < 1342732767 450442 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Does the bible say I shouldn't follow the old testament? < 1342732773 893211 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1342732780 640687 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it sort of does actually < 1342732797 916186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's the old testament for? < 1342732798 797119 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well the thing is that for to populations to share a common ancestor you need to have at least some interbreeding. < 1342732806 16205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says both that you should and that you shouldn't, iiuc < 1342732812 540019 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about not one jot or tittle will pass away from the old law... but Jesus fulfilled the old law < 1342732813 981451 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pro tip" : the old testament was written before the new one < 1342732818 914800 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's called old ! < 1342732820 29313 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes and no. jesus says he is not going to destroy old laws but rather fulfill them < 1342732851 552391 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: seems to me like the former has an obvious interpretation of not weakening the law's strengths even though you still gotta follow them < 1342732854 133388 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: That only makes me believe more in to the old testament < 1342732859 958040 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's closer to the truth . < 1342732863 238596 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1342732868 301791 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by being older than the new one) < 1342732871 674555 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: we have been calling a book new for 2000 years and it took einstein to figure out relativity < 1342732874 40007 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because oldness is truth < 1342732886 601431 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1342732887 651717 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott___: we have been calling a book new for 2000 years and it took einstein to figure out relativity < 1342732890 594038 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :848) elliott___: we have been calling a book new for 2000 years and it took einstein to figure out relativity < 1342732891 200651 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unquotab----- shit < 1342732894 267896 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, he seems to ignore stuff about washing hands, because apparently nothing that goes into the body is ... I forget exactly what was said < 1342732894 981667 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If two guys are telling you a story < 1342732898 321033 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, but probably not much < 1342732902 689888 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1342732903 97916 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :one heard the story in 1900 < 1342732907 382709 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :an the other one in 1921 < 1342732915 801784 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one would you believe more? < 1342732921 482451 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you realise that in the chronology old testament was written before jesus was born right < 1342732934 939692 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously if god sends down a new dude to teach people about shit the book about him isn't going to be written BEFORE he is born < 1342732939 419471 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just kinda this is the kind of thing where you should expect to have less than you'd expect. < 1342732945 949082 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never read any testament so... no. < 1342732951 107964 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but not any less than that) < 1342732976 305524 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, so why are you arguing about their messages? < 1342732978 710127 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway saying that older information is more accurate is ridiculous, have you heard of science < 1342732980 43477 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know about the bible is that I was supposed to read it as a child but never did. < 1342733033 496054 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I was forced into C.S. Lewis's supposed Trilemma, and was looking at the Book of John, I'd probably go with liar or crazy < 1342733037 167777 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the whole bible. then I no longer believed in god < 1342733044 934086 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus in that book makes me think of a cult leader < 1342733065 1328 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: Depends... < 1342733073 52029 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: the book was written so people could take a look in advance so they'd keep up. < 1342733076 101480 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If two people tell me a story I beleive the oldest source < 1342733083 560584 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's the one most likely not being changed over time. < 1342733090 988195 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, but there are two different stories here < 1342733095 754139 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when a police report gets amended due to new information < 1342733098 882414 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't believe the new shit < 1342733107 979477 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s/police report/news story/ etc.) < 1342733112 591236 :Guest85690!~stanley@cpc19-neat4-2-0-cust37.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1342733114 2641 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, more, the Gospel accounts kind of paint different stories, but that's irrelevant here) < 1342733114 807044 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why do you think the new testament is a retelling of the old one < 1342733120 746670 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since this is the only circumstance in which this argument makes any sense < 1342733121 285184 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: That's something totally different. < 1342733124 771836 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The later story happened later than the earlier story < 1342733131 847399 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If we imagine that they happened) < 1342733139 586535 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a story? < 1342733145 234770 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, wait are you saying you think the old testament is even vaguely reliable < 1342733163 410364 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No :( < 1342733176 921778 :kallisti!~eris@h42.49.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1342733179 310294 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just telling that, if I have two versions of a imaginary story < 1342733187 981642 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I can't prove anything I'd believe the older version < 1342733189 679273 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you don't) < 1342733200 541182 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think the new testament is a revision of the old testament this is so ignorant holy cow < 1342733203 379059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, why? < 1342733205 783128 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're completely separate texts < 1342733207 91964 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have two versions of an imaginary stories, you have two different imaginary stories. < 1342733214 5489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is probably the version not forged/biased/adulterated over time < 1342733217 895194 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think the new testament is a revision of the old testament this is so ignorant holy cow < 1342733218 475648 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think the new testament is a revision of the old testament this is so ignorant holy cow < 1342733218 784320 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think the new testament is a revision of the old testament this is so ignorant holy cow < 1342733219 115530 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think the new testament is a revision of the old testament this is so ignorant holy cow < 1342733226 336062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, surely that is Hinduism? ;P < 1342733226 952531 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: I DON'T < 1342733232 951169 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said that. < 1342733234 670184 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently i have to state the obvious error 10 times to get a reply < 1342733239 366761 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I'm just telling that, if I have two versions of a imaginary story < 1342733244 78703 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what are the two testaments a version of < 1342733253 791292 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the f* < 1342733275 26966 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation doesn't work. < 1342733304 843497 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a conversation, it's me yelling at people < 1342733305 116375 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's change the topic. < 1342733313 890688 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL FUCK YOU THEN ASS MONSTER < 1342733317 122235 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: I *thought* they were two different versions < 1342733322 100906 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no i was enjoying this channel for the first time in months < 1342733324 588150 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :until somebody mentioned that they are not. < 1342733325 42640 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ( < 1342733326 767715 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to be fair, the different stories describe the same character in different ways < 1342733327 909364 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ok < 1342733328 901776 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it's not, it's you yelling at a person. < 1342733331 567105 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they aren't) < 1342733333 642969 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: just trying to join the fun < 1342733337 620082 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: THAT CAN CHANGE VERY FUCKING RAPIDLY < 1342733342 438717 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I understood that. < 1342733361 253858 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't really feel the hostility < 1342733363 617878 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :when suddenly people started assuming stuff I never said. < 1342733364 184365 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ha ha ha ha (vorpal told me to react to the joke) < 1342733370 307307 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sorry :/ i'll try harder < 1342733372 387622 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps because mroman is so annoyingly civil < 1342733378 647365 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, :P < 1342733381 354303 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so elliott___ just looks silly < 1342733382 307345 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only managed to get to mildly irritated i'm afraid < 1342733390 290229 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1342733390 442031 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is hard < 1342733390 788936 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, which of two opposite characterizations would you believe from the distinct stories that supposedly occured at different times? < 1342733393 577172 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have they done to you < 1342733403 901010 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that one of the characterizations is that the character's character doesn't change. < 1342733411 236728 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(however mroman's policy of believing older stories is still illogical and "wack" as they say) < 1342733418 3078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My whole statement was based on the fact, that the two stories were the same but different versions < 1342733435 446414 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ILLOGI-FUCKING-CAL) < 1342733437 553893 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if that assumption doesn't hold, my statement is automatically irrelevant. < 1342733443 856863 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no im down to a gentle simmer < 1342733469 851576 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that's cool i guess < 1342733475 84192 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: It's like < 1342733480 178881 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You tell a story to your kids < 1342733483 775371 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your kids to their kids < 1342733483 946429 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in 7.5 hours i need to do some laundry < 1342733485 522355 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have kids, checkmate < 1342733487 88942 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and their kids to their kids < 1342733492 124848 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1342733493 478295 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that's origin/parentage-wise < 1342733498 4030 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: nothing to do with chronology < 1342733505 293796 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could tell someone else the story after my kids tell it, for instance < 1342733512 400474 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would believe the original story more than versions passed on over time. < 1342733526 766495 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: im going to play crawl and you have to watch me < 1342733536 656288 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I guess mroman could argue that the NT probably has not changed as mich as the OT < 1342733538 423632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : (however mroman's policy of believing older stories is still illogical and "wack" as they say) <-- yeah, it is the opposite of an LRU cache < 1342733539 661921 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is one of you actually trying to go somewhere with this?) < 1342733552 769690 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the NT is closer to its origin than the OT is to its < 1342733565 347268 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no < 1342733571 142750 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am just enjoying life < 1342733571 295488 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, but i want to play new vegas :( < 1342733573 661479 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh crawl it's that game with "hard" bosses no? < 1342733623 186199 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: okay that's cool < 1342733628 825543 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how's life? < 1342733647 684705 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i should harrass you in priv, haven't done that in a while < 1342733651 150441 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll think about this < 1342733665 917739 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: who told you crawl has "hard" bosses < 1342733668 380670 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crawl is fairly challenging < 1342733686 376678 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am no good at it; the best players can win at something like a 40% rate < 1342733688 436499 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think you, so now i think no one. < 1342733700 318487 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342733702 923545 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just suck < 1342733705 382261 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a difficult earlygame and a difficult extended endgame < 1342733710 77249 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well yes < 1342733715 787281 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 40% win rates are very rare < 1342733717 602281 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway Phantom_Hoover tough < 1342733718 920454 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :open putty < 1342733719 72219 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would totally like totally own at it < 1342733722 495831 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1342733724 740787 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you should play < 1342733727 827615 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll watch < 1342733735 808318 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i could do like 50% < 1342733741 212136 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for it < 1342733742 551873 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what'd be the correct term for "older" origin-wise? < 1342733746 415087 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i totally will < 1342733760 759868 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even 60% actually < 1342733766 795319 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"most original"? < 1342733785 728631 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :grandparentlier < 1342733794 141323 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ok < 1342733798 247071 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do you want me to tell you how to play on the server < 1342733800 572959 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(offline doesn't count) < 1342733816 362552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : i am no good at it; the best players can win at something like a 40% rate <-- so much harder than nethack? Or are the players less skilled? < 1342733823 894380 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: umm i'm going to sleep pretty suun :D < 1342733825 918944 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon < 1342733832 848486 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :suun o_O < 1342733837 284301 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's ok you'll die quickly enough < 1342733846 929932 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuun < 1342733856 60710 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i already did one crazy thing today < 1342733857 871933 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nethack is really easy once you get good at it, the early-game is the only risk whatsoever < 1342733863 222010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1342733879 307940 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the longest streak of crawl wins is 23 games < 1342733885 765643 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and no, the top players are very skilled) < 1342733887 554140 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of "oldest version" as "the first version of that story ever told" < 1342733918 118970 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: basically crawl has a very difficult early game (nethack's early game is very easy in comparison) < 1342733925 69730 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, what kind of difficulty though? < 1342733927 297112 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: so how's the weather up there in your land? < 1342733934 607467 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's hard to describe, why don't you try it!!! < 1342733934 791670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, ouch < 1342733938 798872 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: two crazy things would set a record! < 1342733943 916109 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, when you lose is it generally your fault to some extent? < 1342733953 774989 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: i already set a record today < 1342733961 362647 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Windy < 1342733961 551484 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: basically yes, in that if you watch the game you will see a way to get out of the situation < 1342733965 552221 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but warm. < 1342733978 538748 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: some earlygame deaths come close to being "unavoidable" by reasonable standards I'd say < 1342733984 151015 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly it is stupidity < 1342733988 930865 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: which one < 1342734012 458430 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also you don't really get the thing with nethack where resists are 100% and you have low enough AC (high enough AC in Crawl) that nothing ever does damage < 1342734032 221104 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exactest characterization of the commutator of an affine CA on a full shift" < 1342734032 414391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342734048 113761 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although tbh i came up with that after saying i had a record. < 1342734049 425666 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not hot, couthie warm. < 1342734055 432060 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps guinness wouldn't take it < 1342734069 134066 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw have you seen their new books? wtf, there's not a single record. < 1342734087 31729 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i really want to see oklopol play crawl :'( < 1342734095 856080 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tallest mountain, greatest population, most wins in fucking ass hockey by country" < 1342734139 696807 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do you happen to have PuTTY already < 1342734147 825221 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :their 1991 book was probably part of the reason i love meaningless skills so much, it was a life-shaping superbook. it has all kinds of cool stuff like how many km someone has crawled. < 1342734151 320453 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could be playing crawl in like three minutes < 1342734166 288630 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day. < 1342734174 919314 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so boring < 1342734177 864083 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i hope you realize that i will suck. < 1342734199 149703 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rpgs are too complicated < 1342734221 49832 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crawl is not really an rpg < 1342734235 250473 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say the basic gameplay is simpler than most rpgs < 1342734241 682507 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Phantom_Hoover where exactly are you located? < 1342734259 323607 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edinburgh. < 1342734325 3414 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right scotland not northern ireland. < 1342734334 867863 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you confuse the two all the time as well < 1342734350 698436 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have to go to Ireland this summer, thankfully. < 1342734576 184691 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ojiewjfoiwjefoi < 1342734639 490974 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was asking because my gf is in northern ireland and i have fetish for watching her do math with my irc contacts. < 1342734661 72050 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where in NI? < 1342734666 548539 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :belfast < 1342734675 206352 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why am I asking, there are two universities and both are in Belfast.) < 1342734687 510771 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are other things too and most of them are also in Belfast.) < 1342734699 418516 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's not at the university, more of a vacation < 1342734746 222082 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol why are you going out with someone that crazy < 1342734784 932225 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno. she's not even a mathematician :( < 1342734807 49493 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i will settle for watching Vorpal play crawl < 1342734809 151063 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1342734809 717732 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does she at least let you have sex in a bath of coke? < 1342734810 804628 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll do that right Vorpal < 1342734914 319805 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't asked yet. i have asked her if she'd let me paint her blue though. < 1342734963 869885 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah was this part of acting out your avatar fanfics < 1342734977 572871 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen that < 1342735012 465645 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's more of a painting people blue fetish. < 1342735060 428845 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :she wasn't very enthusiastic about the idea :/ < 1342735110 564275 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so she just doesn't like blue very much < 1342735115 555470 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're all shit < 1342735228 142535 :kallisti!~eris@h113.30.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342735228 333433 :kallisti!~eris@h113.30.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1342735228 333530 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1342735228 867164 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess. < 1342735236 517498 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody cares < 1342735246 197504 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1342735273 442735 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342735305 837639 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :epicmonkey: nobody cares about what < 1342735312 230909 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: shit. < 1342735320 8890 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1342735336 275980 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long have you been here epicmonkey < 1342735337 772174 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just curious < 1342735340 612666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense the beginning of a beautiful friendship. < 1342735344 864683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sidles away.
< 1342735349 289186 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day and a half I guess < 1342735368 848753 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulIOrQasR18 < 1342735382 726992 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just find that so inspiring < 1342735383 997475 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5! that's a lot of days < 1342735425 216423 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: are you playing the i've been here longer card? because hitler did. < 1342735439 42729 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one, two... oh, wai~~ < 1342735475 545362 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :epicmonkey: how's your life? < 1342735487 825398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :CHANNEL CURRENTLY CLOSED DUE TO GODWINNING | last topic change: today | monkeys not welcome unless they bring bananas | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1342735501 34278 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :life sucks, everyone knows this, dude. < 1342735503 23333 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :god won? < 1342735517 420345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :CHANNEL CURRENTLY CLOSED DUE TO GODWINNING (NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH GOD WINNING) | last topic change: today | monkeys not welcome unless they bring bananas | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1342735527 952135 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :epicmonkey: sorry to hear that. my life is ok sometimes! < 1342735566 814121 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: so i recall at some point you thought life was like crap and shit but then later you were all like life is kind of okay i guess that's a good progression. < 1342735593 652525 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it is both < 1342735595 248090 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is neither < 1342735600 359031 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you feel? < 1342735615 614897 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel. < 1342735617 149310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye olde sine curve. or was that tan. < 1342735625 376526 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :epicmonkey: anything interesting happen today? < 1342735639 322036 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we started a promising article today! < 1342735656 793697 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i wasn't talking to you, asshole < 1342735663 979327 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Tomlinson trial came out with a verdict of not guilty? < 1342735676 803453 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know anything about genetic programming? I think I get stuck < 1342735678 776214 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad made a lot of noise when that came up on the radio. < 1342735695 25126 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :epicmonkey: a little bit, but not really. is that what you were doing today? < 1342735705 590851 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: fuck you and your stupid fuck ass brain mammoth banana. < 1342735714 137661 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1342735714 989766 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how surprising. < 1342735731 629710 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: this is my poor hat. < 1342735772 783160 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably this one: http://cdn.static.ovimg.com/episode/131184.jpg < 1342735809 65765 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are you surprised < 1342735811 113072 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im making a face : :O < 1342735817 234170 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the mouth will detach from the eyes < 1342735819 26042 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go do its own thing < 1342735820 769592 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with GP is I don't get what is fitness function for a continuous problem < 1342735821 513678 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: O < 1342735826 129264 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: O < 1342735838 123651 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O : < 1342735866 849572 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help im going backwards < 1342735871 603623 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :epicmonkey: just use something random and it'll go great. < 1342735883 278272 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is todays idea for a bitmap image format (based on floodfills): http://oi46.tinypic.com/wclnh4.jpg < 1342735910 710811 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: may i use the bottom-left image on my wiki user page < 1342735920 974495 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 0): (2 0 < 1342735922 57900 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you can type fast < 1342735924 68941 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for < 1342735932 398912 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you dont look shocked enough < 1342735934 846275 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 01): (2 0 < 1342735937 945844 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: y or n < 1342735950 752658 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you said may i.. yeah no problem < 1342735959 156660 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its public domain 0 < 1342735960 800990 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hereby < 1342735962 91553 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1342735967 189932 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1342735983 291142 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to agree to release it under the terms at http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ < 1342735993 745888 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i type even slower than before nowadays because i've broken all my keys :( < 1342735996 657004 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, thats the terms intended < 1342736002 195976 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you sir < 1342736020 756213 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License sounds better < 1342736022 415062 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, is that image meant to be a Voronoi map? < 1342736028 179346 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342736044 362333 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :epicmonkey: that's nonfree < 1342736055 235856 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specially for you: Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License Free < 1342736082 28600 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it make it free? :-P < 1342736113 921681 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's meant to be a way for storing bitmap images < 1342736133 302114 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :epicmonkey: noncommercial licenses violate the OSI, FSF and DFSG criteria < 1342736135 875065 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no < 1342736139 859250 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no restrictions on field of use, to be precise) < 1342736149 328792 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps coinciding with voronoi < 1342736153 879123 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is can't be used in commercial situations. so itcis nonfree. actually anything more redtrictive than CC0, WTFPL or PD is nonfree < 1342736175 997810 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, oh, so you've invented SVG with none of the advantages of SVG. < 1342736188 659410 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummm.... < 1342736201 561964 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: that is an erroneous definition of free < 1342736214 318139 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1342736216 107838 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :requiring attribution is hardly nonfree < 1342736227 536562 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by any definition worth its salt < 1342736238 30754 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. yeah < 1342736265 389348 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: that stinks! what do I get a long name if noncommercial licenses are broken? < 1342736268 24191 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i'd love to actually see how it performed.. i laid in bed for a while thinking about encoding schemes < 1342736269 615470 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the GPL is obviously free, claiming otherwise is agenda-pushing, but that does not necessarily mean it is ideal < 1342736272 234928 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :epicmonkey, the wiki has traditionally been public domain. < 1342736274 731963 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :epicmonkey: you could make your own license!!! < 1342736282 531982 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo! < 1342736287 429143 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, I specifically promised Graue I would keep PD licensing, so it will be for naught :P < 1342736304 627159 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1342736305 362761 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyright is murder < 1342736312 71718 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course now I am nearly as inactive as him. but not quite: I actually updated the software recently!! < 1342736354 276855 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you member/supporter of pirate party < 1342736363 841709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: there's probably a wiki admin curse < 1342736365 576266 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1342736368 867155 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it'd do well for block-filled pictures with sharp, black edges. < 1342736374 335293 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is SVG, and it's scalable besides. < 1342736384 196694 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor any other party < 1342736388 284452 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is not a curse < 1342736402 671624 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think i should be able to do whatever i like with my internet though. < 1342736403 37680 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well the picture actually does a really terrible job showing it off < 1342736403 528920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: THAT'S what they all say. < 1342736425 886604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's part of it, you see < 1342736460 117831 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i mean, i like the effects < 1342736464 881218 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is relaxing to not care about it < 1342736477 5130 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well.. like i figure that you can represent some interesting voronoi maps with 1bit with minimal outlining < 1342736495 524959 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didnt know they were called voronoi maps < 1342736507 919475 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not using Voronoi anything, that was a misunderstanding. < 1342736513 426880 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1342736557 357522 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Voronoi map is one where you have a set of points on the map and you split the map according to which point is nearest. < 1342736575 84076 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1342736626 959316 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1342736628 164379 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury's client is apparently called the empty string < 1342736641 843060 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: why you ctcp'd my version < 1342736647 552662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much sound and fury in that < 1342736647 877378 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ctcp'd the whole channel < 1342736651 126386 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for fun < 1342736652 597586 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342736664 394895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for devious secret purposes < 1342736668 21941 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still as much irssi as ever < 1342736674 299393 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you find out anything intersting? < 1342736678 23496 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: upgrade yr irssi < 1342736681 708942 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: you too < 1342736696 407429 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: not really < 1342736711 217426 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use irssi nowadays but i made it version pong mirc. < 1342736715 16390 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: your version replies are screwed < 1342736719 103622 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Gregor- VERSION bip-0.8.8 < 1342736719 255275 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Gregor- VERSION xchat 2.8.8 Linux 2.6.35.4 [x86_64/2.33GHz/SMP] < 1342736719 255466 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Gregor- VERSION xchat 2.8.8 Linux 3.1-0.slh.5-aptosid-amd64 [x86_64/800.50MHz/SMP] < 1342736719 255637 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Gregor- VERSION Microsoft IRC# 2013 64-bit (Windows 9 Developer Pre-Alpha Release, x64, 1.5GB RAM) < 1342736722 726557 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of ruins the IRC# thing "sorry" < 1342736728 966414 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how you upgraded it to windows 9 < 1342736737 526312 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1342736745 216611 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: there is no way you would have the patience to do the colouring/bolding/underlining in that version reply < 1342736753 462381 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"busted!!!!!!!!!!" < 1342736796 310014 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i probably would, sounds like fun. but i don't have the patience to install irssi. < 1342736814 351847 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i didn't like it when i last tried it < 1342736860 190999 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like irssi < 1342736870 705482 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am happy with xchat < 1342736877 120573 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342736897 427955 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm almost happy with mirc + nnscript. there are some annoying details. < 1342736932 147580 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat, irssi and kvirc had more < 1342736972 655523 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use ircII and be cool < 1342736976 365534 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("cool") < 1342736990 950476 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuul < 1342737014 195939 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 QUIT :Changing host < 1342737014 347367 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1342737016 218834 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: can you help me with ircII? I haven't bothered to compile irssi with 486 < 1342737032 470221 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(running netbsd) < 1342737059 81041 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what help do you need, i have barely even used ircii < 1342737060 791803 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah elliott___ given that you are such a fan of ircII could you give us a lecture < 1342737063 279980 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i tried it for like two minutes < 1342737093 254364 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: putting multiple channels in different windows like with irssi < 1342737107 832132 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is possible? < 1342737109 516894 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how . < 1342737114 910391 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1342737128 476076 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuil < 1342737133 989239 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cillu < 1342737134 896389 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Ircii.png < 1342737155 72267 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what a dumb screenshot) < 1342737158 599544 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cilia < 1342737165 739846 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lcii < 1342737175 664833 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1342737197 185253 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi NICK :sleepopol < 1342737199 712683 :sleepopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nigt < 1342737203 345884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could? multiple channels was like the most convenient new feature i noticed when i changed from ircII to irssi, way back... < 1342737205 727697 :sleepopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1342737217 913001 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well it could always be a "new" feature. < 1342737224 332787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i cannot honestly recall if it happened before or after i came here) < 1342737235 848284 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people used ircii in 2006? < 1342737254 498902 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is a more practical example of the image format being used (theres 4 white pixels in the resulting picture due to how i did it) http://oi45.tinypic.com/2gwhksl.jpg < 1342737272 94389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot recall, i said. but i didn't use irc much before 2006 < 1342737294 387441 :sleepopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what the hell did you do < 1342737299 395532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall being on #initgame way back in the '90s < 1342737307 790181 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's initgame < 1342737317 219641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a game played on irc < 1342737326 461772 :sleepopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's this channel with just me in it < 1342737334 578106 :sleepopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right sleep time < 1342737335 912456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably EFNET, i don't think things had really split up by then < 1342737345 613489 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B13.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342737425 444159 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how did you play < 1342737447 993472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone would change their nick to something like WW_LAXF or whatever the exact format was, and everyone would ask yes-no questions to that person until someone guessed it was Willy Wonka or whatever < 1342737470 479442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part after _ was a kind of code, Live American something Fictional < 1342737480 226240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has forgotten one of them
< 1342737496 588339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or was it Alive < 1342737519 780548 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xplicit? < 1342737537 608999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alive/Dead American/Non-Americn Real/Fictional and i've forgotten one < 1342737575 647671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps there was a Human/Non-human in there < 1342737596 734532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+a < 1342737598 308561 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :american/non-american, heh < 1342737615 837163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely think British was also sometimes used < 1342737621 554597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not really consistently < 1342737635 771355 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you decide alive/dead for fictional chars < 1342737646 960804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls confusing everyone with Christopher Milne
< 1342737665 806889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to put X for alive/dead, i think < 1342737683 745006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot recall if i put X for fictional < 1342737715 397829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(X for unknown or not appropriate, naturally) < 1342737724 652134 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was efnet scary back in the day < 1342737741 780133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, i didn't visit many other channels. i guess not. < 1342737744 519865 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342737784 906119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and of course the winner got to change nick next. < 1342737796 888746 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342737912 779584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : then what the hell did you do <-- i spent a lot of time on Usenet < 1342737960 628325 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read usenet troll threads occasionally < 1342737970 291649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : how did you decide alive/dead for fictional chars <-- presumably by whether they'd died in the story, i think < 1342737970 586524 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the most baffling thing on the internet i know of < 1342737984 748509 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1342738022 709148 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phanton: well, i've decided that 2 bit colour for the bitmap is best, enabling me to exploit the four-color theorum, still leaving run lengths of 8192 < 1342738022 903666 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1342738101 972913 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1342738103 966885 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342738109 828038 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: entertain me < 1342738128 156149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one can entertain you, elliott. you are beyond humanity now. < 1342738180 797760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i finally registered on reddit < 1342738181 428914 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1342738191 171297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan was still available :P < 1342738193 226276 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed your post has a score of 0 < 1342738203 724098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one, yes < 1342738210 222456 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please do not lie about the reflection package in a way that wil lcause people to avoid it < 1342738213 920212 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^5 = run lengths of 32, 2 bits of colour, 1 bit to indicate a flood-fill point at the end of the run. maybe that's best. < 1342738220 993091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: that wasn't a lie. < 1342738237 220205 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, it is untrue and I specifically remember mentioning how it was being done in here at th etime < 1342738250 78365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1342738261 609660 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a portable non-unsafeCoerce implementation that will work on _any_ Haskell compiler with the extensions required for the interface and the FFI. < 1342738275 545108 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is used for all implementations for which the unportable implementation has not been specifically tested < 1342738278 945138 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e., anything but GHC and Hugs.) < 1342738290 362081 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore the reflection package is as portable as its interface allows + GHC, Hugs or the FFI. < 1342738345 894488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess i should have mentioned that the efficient implementation is optional. should i edit? < 1342738381 844636 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is probably no big deal, but I'd point out that the implementation is only used on implementations for which it has been tested, and there is a safe fallback. apologies for accusing you of lying < 1342738618 278250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it best to edit or to respond to yourself, btw? < 1342738636 713986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that it's been a day or so. < 1342738718 561349 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem with editing, I don't think; just add it at the bottom with an edit note if you want... replying to yourself won't notify anybody, anyway < 1342738726 845834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1342738982 373658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thought better of including "(put away the gun, ehird)" in the edit
< 1342739100 134074 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342739186 384573 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342739244 90447 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -e '2 + 2' < 1342739247 659005 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc: can't find a package database at /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d < 1342739254 313582 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: why does this happen < 1342739258 692372 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: why does this happen < 1342739270 591504 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it because you're a weird imaginry user? < 1342739283 545521 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1342739289 405325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/ < 1342739292 181026 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cabal-1.8.0.2 \ array-0.3.0.0 \ base-3.0.3.2 \ base-4.2.0.0 \ bin \ bin-package-db-0.0.0.0 \ bytestring-0.9.1.5 \ containers-0.3.0.0 \ directory-1.0.1.0 \ dph-base-0.4.0 \ dph-par-0.4.0 \ dph-prim-interface-0.4.0 \ dph-prim-par-0.4.0 \ dph-prim-seq-0.4.0 \ dph-seq-0.4.0 \ extensible-exceptions-0.1.1.1 \ extra-gcc-opts \ filepath-1.1.0.3 \ ghc-6.12.1 \ ghc-asm \ ghc-binary-0.5.0.2 \ ghc-prim-0.2.0.0 \ ghc-split < 1342739305 923248 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d < 1342739308 956734 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d < 1342739320 489165 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it need write access perhaps? < 1342739327 688802 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe ghc sucks at error reporting? < 1342739343 114698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: almost certainly not for ordinary use... < 1342739361 437341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it needs to be set up the first time, i assume < 1342739392 139370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d < 1342739394 881166 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 34 Dec 20 2011 /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d -> /var/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d < 1342739402 3688 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's why. < 1342739407 121482 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, wait < 1342739409 295669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l /var/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d < 1342739412 242228 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /var/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d: No such file or directory < 1342739415 134157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1342739416 397477 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1342739424 24970 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /var/lib < 1342739426 559906 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /var/lib: No such file or directory < 1342739428 86004 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls / < 1342739430 593005 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr \ var < 1342739432 649956 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1342739436 611241 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /var < 1342739439 450190 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :irclogs < 1342739443 747001 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. okay. < 1342739447 216860 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW THE FIX NOW < 1342739454 823303 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks. < 1342739500 714705 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you're curious the fix is to add -t /var to the umlbox invocation) < 1342739508 985159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but you don't have access to apply it. < 1342739540 480685 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :on this bot. I'm hacking my perl bot to be a hackego clone (and then playing around with persistent environment and possibly daemons) < 1342739547 116897 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a persistent environment currently < 1342739554 160197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1342739700 704253 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, except there's some permission error when I do that. < 1342739720 624494 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nevermind it's -f /var < 1342739722 94562 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not -t /var < 1342739901 589832 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, why is it so terribly easy to overload even modern windows by doing massive disk IO. I managed to bring this monster of a machine to it's knees by uncompressing a compressed DVD ISO. Seriously. Core i7 at 3.4 GHz, 4 cores + hyper threading. 16 GB RAM. Very fast disk. < 1342739908 979861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows IO scheduler sucks < 1342739967 156409 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1342740006 477883 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Northern Ireland has a separate legal system. < 1342740013 848744 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bot is now some frankenstein lambdabot, hackego, egobot hybrid. < 1342740018 449262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, from the rest of UK? < 1342740027 375507 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that makes 3 in total for the UK. < 1342740036 124441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, which are the other two? < 1342740043 849237 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scots and English. < 1342740046 418945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342740054 116300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor Welsh, not getting their own < 1342740080 690422 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: have you gotten simh to sanely interact with text streams not coming from tty? < 1342740084 732672 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UK is basically split into Scotland, NI and "England and Wales", the latter being a monolithic entity. < 1342740111 942698 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: I have not done any of that. < 1342740119 856927 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is anything in wales < 1342740146 586461 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, the most significant thing I can honestly remember about Wales is that Doctor Who is based there. < 1342740151 755766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look, now I'm copying 15 GB from an SSD to a HDD. Yet again windows 7 spaces out badly. < 1342740167 644015 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: I have a umlbox sandbox with persistent environment variables (and exported functions), a way to bind commands to shell scripts (instead of doing the automatic "pass all input to $1" thing), and it uses git instead of hg. and that's about the extent of the differences. < 1342740206 831600 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also note that all 3 legal systems have different bases; English law is pure common law, Irish is common and statute and Scots law is a hybrid of common and civil law < 1342740207 449273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, well there is that place with the crazy long name I guess? < 1342740217 249649 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from what I understand, sheep? < 1342740223 400944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah not a lot < 1342740256 210658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, statute? What is that < 1342740268 625094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the normal way < 1342740270 39607 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1342740276 556165 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New Zealand is basically the same except s/Doctor Who/New Zealand/. < 1342740288 713543 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the US is mostly common law, right? < 1342740297 524700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, New Zealand is cool though < 1342740300 420173 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a hybrid of common/civil. < 1342740306 464754 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342740306 814052 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, yes (it might be all common law). < 1342740310 562123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they film so many movies there < 1342740352 442615 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's underdeveloped and has lots of mountains. < 1342740353 802969 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: new zealand is cool < 1342740364 140235 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will go there one day when i am rich and there are no problems in life < 1342740366 375634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how does civil and statute law differ? < 1342740372 132627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they were the same thing? < 1342740373 759304 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, duh, which is better out of Doctor Who and LotR? < 1342740390 21537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that is a no-brainer < 1342740390 172827 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: probably lotr? < 1342740394 928366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LotR easily < 1342740396 581696 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342740400 259378 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, here the fact that I am in fact regurgitating Wikipedia becomes painfully apparent. < 1342740418 795320 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i mean i like the films and doctor who as a whole is kind of bad < 1342740419 65781 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, also New Zealand has Flight of the Conchords so that makes 1 more thing than Wales? < 1342740422 333073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, XD < 1342740431 619469 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are a few series that might tip the scales < 1342740431 770761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a state in the USA which isn't common law, isn't there. < 1342740440 309757 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i don't like flight of the conchords, i forget why. i used to. < 1342740448 424193 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's great. if there's anything I love it's room for law to be vaguely interpreted by some random guy(s). < 1342740453 364454 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LegalSystemsOfTheWorldMap.png suggests there is. < 1342740466 657266 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, well that's an oversimplification. < 1342740476 705607 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. it is. < 1342740493 385204 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And indeed wrong; civil law is the one subject to interpretation, common law dispenses with the interpretation altogether. < 1342740529 388075 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? < 1342740541 262373 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do a lot of precedenting around here. < 1342740542 488064 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: clearly it is much better for law to be a platonic game of nomic so more people get away on technicalities and people are convicted for doing nothing wrong < 1342740545 141994 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I understand it, in common law the interpretation /is/ the law. < 1342740553 373700 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: yeah that's the other extreme. < 1342740568 886737 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :common law seems to work as fine as law systems do < 1342740582 572610 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone interprets it in a way you don't like you have precedent to fall back on. < 1342740607 261999 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, okay. < 1342740619 675275 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi < 1342740624 995959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho < 1342740702 911821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: louisiana, it was. presumably because it was bought from france. < 1342740709 372023 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1342740784 394971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However, it is incorrect to equate the Louisiana Civil Code with the Napoleonic Code. Although the Napoleonic Code strongly influenced Louisiana law, it was never in force in Louisiana, as it was enacted in 1804, after the Louisiana Purchase of 1803." < 1342741457 68162 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk < 1342741458 79522 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1342741468 910170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER < 1342741843 515431 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is boring < 1342741878 30054 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider pressing alt+tab, or whatever it is in your wm < 1342741960 564918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel is often silent at this time of day < 1342742023 965952 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time Phantom_Hoover < 1342742024 716634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Phantom_Hoover is Fri Jul 20 00:53:36 < 1342742048 857654 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1342742051 472232 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: where do you live? < 1342742063 953049 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Edinburgh? < 1342742084 240994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : the channel is often silent at this time of day <-- we have elliott back though, it is never silent then < 1342742188 56240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, something's wrong with him. < 1342742198 149081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prods elliott___ with a stick
< 1342742249 217442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, don't scare him away < 1342742267 742768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1342742273 71550 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time Vorpal < 1342742283 157570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you set your timezone with that bot? < 1342742286 348407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time Phantom_Hoover < 1342742287 281453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Phantom_Hoover is Fri Jul 20 00:57:59 < 1342742291 431239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time oerjan < 1342742292 377906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for oerjan is Fri Jul 20 01:58:11 2012 < 1342742322 80827 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's using CTCP time. < 1342742333 818137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1342742342 238550 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan prods elliott___ with a stick < 1342742348 638376 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not really back < 1342742394 756365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you say