< 1342224994 499148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi EgoBot < 1342224994 981022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1342226559 552132 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1342227043 27035 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you remember what day we proved that theorem? < 1342227482 486274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEOREMS? WHERE? < 1342227603 688299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which theorem? < 1342227898 644621 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Vorpal, the one about bounded Game of Life < 1342227952 100984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1342228034 135170 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That any GoL pattern with at least a 5x5 hole on a bounded GoL grid has at least one Garden of Eden predecessor < 1342228191 161139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or is itself a GoE, presumably < 1342228202 601787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, missed that one < 1342228222 246401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, how did you prove it < 1342228232 609957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is kind of interesting < 1342228239 558473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait was that in the arbitrary far ancestor sense... < 1342228255 630699 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary far ancestor sense < 1342228278 694257 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a wiki for GoL btw? Did you post this (and the proof) there? < 1342228290 363943 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I posted it < 1342228295 656577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :do that then < 1342228297 338612 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be in the logs somewhere < 1342228301 267662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely recalls it now
< 1342228317 84117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :recalls what=? < 1342228319 610499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=// < 1342228343 135249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, because of the hole you know that its immediate descendant has at least two possible parents < 1342228363 144182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and? < 1342228373 111222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait no < 1342228379 187428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how would you know that < 1342228379 386266 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the pattern results in a loop, then only one of those patterns is in the loop (I'm a bit shaky on that part) < 1342228408 657109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that was < 1342228416 252152 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what. https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1TSND_enUS401US401&sugexp=chrome,mod=10&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Garden+of+Eden%22+site%3Acodu.org < 1342228441 411600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you have a 5x5 hole, you can modify the center cell without changing the child state < 1342228462 78469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1342228481 310568 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is codu a wikipedia mirror < 1342228495 313114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1342228580 393229 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how do I download all of Gregor's stuff < 1342228589 923850 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, the ... bluh < 1342228701 234339 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It has a 5-clicks-to-Jesus game. < 1342228715 913801 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1342228716 112385 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming it still works) < 1342228789 225693 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I found it < 1342228919 511002 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef//logs/esoteric/11.06.26 < 1342228954 903324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you do know about `pastelogs , right? < 1342229214 135229 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What the boink are you talking about... < 1342229253 435932 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, I wanted to download all the logs to grep them < 1342229515 347428 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right... so < 1342229542 221779 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got why fourier transforms work on finite non-periodic signals. < 1342229576 219338 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :since any signal is periodic if the period is infinity. :P < 1342229619 979116 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh I want to redo my proof < 1342229650 244404 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: rsync? < 1342229688 587084 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :try: rsync -a rsync://codu.org/logs/_esoteric esologs < 1342229816 567141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342230222 699770 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm scared of randomness < 1342230237 4977 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just put in a seed for a Minecraft world < 1342230242 203243 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not because of shared exploration < 1342230252 614073 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But just... so I could reproduce another copy of the world in theory < 1342230504 5099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, shared exploration? You mean multiplayer < 1342230523 627224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you can easily dump the seed with F3 after you generated the world < 1342230546 745673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not what I said. I mean, ala the Reddit world < 1342230549 18962 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is what I meant < 1342230549 671913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless it is multiplayer, in which case you need to do a bit more) < 1342230556 775350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I have no idea what that is < 1342230563 534229 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One seed that multiple people use and explore < 1342230600 471250 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I find that seeds are not reliable for stuff generated after worldgen (which happens with some mods, like buildcraft, and who would play vanilla these days?) < 1342231048 226860 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's night and I don't have a solid house < 1342231054 395246 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partial walls :/ < 1342231063 157141 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did make a torch at least from charcoal < 1342231170 265557 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grah it's boring waiting for hopefully nothing to happen < 1342231514 63979 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, which mods do you play with? < 1342231519 553648 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :None right now < 1342231524 134507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why? < 1342231536 323949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean vanilla gets boring after a month or so < 1342231549 467700 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played that much vanilla really < 1342231562 190653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't play without RP2, IC2, EE2, BC3, and a bunch of other mods < 1342231580 444432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :logistics pipes is another really really good one < 1342231601 664839 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, there was maybe one world that I tried to play survival < 1342231604 379725 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for very long < 1342231612 378651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1342231629 511652 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Played on servers a bit < 1342231632 49614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :survival is fine with me, but the combat in minecraft is so utterly boring < 1342231634 307030 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's pretty much it < 1342231644 918594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah don't think I would play on a vanilla server again < 1342232434 354819 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I haven't been doing much about hunger < 1342233456 428373 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the mob spawning algorithms are still idiotic you probably want to start farming early on. < 1342233579 96272 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next goal: Make a secure path between mining site and house < 1342233600 413512 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't build the house on top of the mining site? < 1342233607 424749 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1342233622 867845 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Have I mentioned how mining should totally work, it's way better than the way Minecraft does it.) < 1342233634 947659 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I die of hunger on Normal? < 1342233867 531519 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but it takes you down to like half a heart. < 1342233872 487629 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a wiki for this sort of thing. < 1342233904 240552 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wish I could both browse wiki and let time pass < 1342233907 373504 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waiting for day is boring < 1342234032 43412 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342235431 31555 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1342235729 56800 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342235740 202476 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342238319 830142 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342240759 599307 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342240791 600086 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342240796 160606 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1342242266 315391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1342242478 48397 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1342243241 651688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1342243622 357799 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1342245180 698951 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-76.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342245204 39635 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-104.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1342246065 283100 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-108.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342246074 14905 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-76.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1342247468 349013 :tao__!~tao@p50921BB4.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342247475 337219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a program to test VRC7 audio. < 1342247481 262248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For NES/Famicom < 1342247742 654348 :tao__!~tao@p50921BB4.dip.t-dialin.net PART #esoteric :"Konversation terminated!" < 1342249999 74921 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342250605 473609 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342251602 429168 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342251767 208363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1342252763 598371 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342252978 806214 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342253141 260327 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1342253227 371578 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1342253424 534653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1342253533 139338 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/fFBY?haskell in which kallisti creates yet another brainfuck compiler. < 1342253541 979811 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Haskell. with the standard optimizations. < 1342253572 357002 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-108.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine's better. < 1342253590 267399 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-108.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1342253641 109400 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: IIRC you made an assembly-like intermediate language right? < 1342253651 125790 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-108.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1342253663 871042 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-108.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/pikhq/haskell-bfc/blob/master/main.hs < 1342253700 792061 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the int for on Loop? < 1342253730 653509 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :our parse functions are similar. yours is smaller though < 1342253770 664007 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342253786 218767 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mine goes ahead and groups consecutive commands < 1342253794 431163 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1342253807 771425 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-108.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which cell it's testing on, relative to the current pointer. I fold pointer movements into the instructions as much as possible. < 1342253845 640006 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait I thought the pointer could shift. < 1342253870 102333 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +[>+] < 1342253871 680286 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1342253937 110400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ < 1342253937 398863 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   | < 1342253937 646631 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /<  /'\  >\ /<   >\ /|   |\ /`\ /'\ < 1342253945 66725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thmyndzi < 1342254049 443583 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-108.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yup. That gets compiled to [Add 0 1, Loop 0 [Add 1 1, Move 1]] < 1342254121 596871 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-108.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: If the pointer movements at the end of a loop don't net to no movement, then the pending moves get emitted right there. < 1342254201 841349 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so "Loop 0" just means the normal [ behavior < 1342254211 5579 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-108.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1342254252 302805 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably end up translating this AST into a more complex mini-language. < 1342254264 708073 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with things like destructive add, clear, copy, and multiply. < 1342254273 928647 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess clear would be "set 0" < 1342254283 586100 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-108.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that'll give you rather a bit more power. < 1342254329 558795 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/FMNSSun/HsBfC/blob/71384aad6744927f165dfffe10cb5a5aa1a965e3/hsbfc.hs <- mine ;) < 1342254352 25763 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :groups instructions but lacks support for even simple optmization like +- -> Nop < 1342254391 108153 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my parser could probably be simplified. < 1342254544 778282 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/H1NEsAor <- parsec < 1342254566 241116 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: we have a lot of similar code though. < 1342254590 89589 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-108.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. A decent chunk of it is just doing it in the most natural way in Haskell. < 1342254657 210152 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-108.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My code generator, admittedly, is Weird. < 1342254684 19201 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is stupid < 1342254699 502635 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lololol add dynamic resize condition after each >" < 1342254714 755686 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-108.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF -> State (Int, Syscalls) (IO ()) -- :) < 1342255241 247626 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342255957 298941 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1342257114 273735 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342257190 341968 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-156-63.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342257210 9127 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-108.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1342257615 808965 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342257719 6315 :kallisti!~eris@h79.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342257727 638173 :kallisti!~eris@h79.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1342257727 837123 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1342258072 182772 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-194.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342258072 896808 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-156-63.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342259479 24214 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1342263089 570757 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi < 1342263738 268659 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1342264684 908074 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-227-195.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342264687 655140 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-194.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1342265467 121615 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets agitated while contemplating subpixels when he realizes they're not quite as simple as he anticipated
< 1342265716 461411 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/Mz73HbVN < 1342265913 339554 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my biggest surprise when i mapped this out is that if i say, pixel is lit if any subpixels touched then the shape will vary between 3 and 4 pixels width < 1342266499 955768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342266604 678533 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342266745 169482 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342267694 536185 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-227-195.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342267720 803548 :pikhq!~pikhq@168.103.250.213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342268084 170281 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to answer my little query) i guess the solution is to simply use subpixels to determine the top left corner to pass to a bitmap drawing op < 1342268815 503563 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342268931 808864 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1342269013 485351 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1342269092 362673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342269207 929086 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342270397 625941 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D7FA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342272894 381088 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee NICK :marx < 1342272909 608503 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi marx < 1342272920 555271 :marx!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi nortti < 1342272923 380214 :marx!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee NICK :ogrom < 1342273855 685218 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342273997 971176 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342274010 290632 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogrom: who are you and what takes you here? < 1342274046 363706 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i join here < 1342274052 304559 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the name of the room < 1342274101 433472 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you just idle here? < 1342274171 637435 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1342274387 264966 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1342275071 597019 :claque!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1342275077 171100 :claque!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION applauds.
< 1342275100 385784 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1342275118 637866 :claque!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't ask. < 1342275120 528353 :claque!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cheers.
< 1342275209 817507 :claque!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs.
< 1342275212 35918 :claque!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gasps!
< 1342275214 747191 :claque!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cheers again!
< 1342275218 457808 :claque!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU QUIT :Client Quit < 1342275322 92286 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342277126 185782 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1342277129 284379 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How odd < 1342277930 960868 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-] < 1342277931 354985 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.>>>++++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<---.<<<<.+++.------.--------.>>+. < 1342277972 949442 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beer commercials usually show big men, manly men, doing manly things: "You've just killed a small animal. It's time for a light beer." Why not have a realistic beer commercial, with a realistic thing about beer, where someone goes, "It's five o'clock in the morning. You've just pissed on a dumpster. It's Miller time." < 1342278019 803784 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, itidus21, the people who make adverts actually know how to make adverts < 1342278039 61127 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Second Amendment! It says you have the right to bear arms, or the right to arm bears, whatever the hell you want to do! < 1342278057 462638 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I have some bear arms? < 1342278083 116799 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an old, crazy dude who used to live a long time ago. His name was Lord Buckley. And he said, a long time ago, he said, "People--they're kinda like flowers, and it's been a privilege walking in your garden." My love goes with you. < 1342278106 344502 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is itidus21 quoting < 1342278156 558308 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cambridge police: Man on Harley bites, robs man" < 1342278181 306592 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Late Post 'Not That Late'" < 1342278370 494916 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they call it rush hour when nothing moves? < 1342278403 780686 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually a corruption of "rust hour2 < 1342278442 939930 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342278625 465355 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1342278744 6468 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I'm a big human snot. < 1342278749 265373 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1342278753 96727 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1342278765 30323 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. everything i just said was quotations from the same person :-s < 1342278780 25018 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1342278824 904620 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof that no Comonad may be a MonadPlus: < 1342278859 837001 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider the function extract :: Comonad w => w a -> a; and the function mzero :: MonadPlus m => m a < 1342278878 761894 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the type defined as data Void < 1342278887 291293 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Void has no constructors and cannot exist < 1342278932 232541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is a type with both a comonad and monadPlus instance, extract mzero has the the type forall a. a, hence Void < 1342278969 302097 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As extract mzero is a Void and there are no Voids, there are no types which are both Comonads and MonadPluses < 1342278970 400397 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED < 1342278989 357105 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can replace MonadPlus and mzero with Alternative and empty) < 1342278999 883471 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342279022 624115 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this proof ignores the existence of _|_) < 1342279101 626526 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In short, Comonad m, MonadPlus m => Void < 1342279104 883546 :augur__!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342279116 968999 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 who < 1342279294 638046 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342279303 887607 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342282272 967292 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342282415 912536 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1342282440 814468 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1342282633 912412 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342282974 768777 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :c0w < 1342283244 765668 :c0w!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1342283379 228810 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342284385 909018 :augur__!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342284716 219542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1342285007 519925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1342285253 397320 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342285290 935412 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342285950 884029 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342286538 951939 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :robin williams :P < 1342286891 182805 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342287273 279435 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1342288033 964222 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah < 1342288078 83365 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only heard a little bit of his standup but i hear it's pretty good < 1342288109 155326 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's shockingly raunchy if you're only familiar with his roles in family movies ;P < 1342288394 101893 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1342288755 162724 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1342289690 920907 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342289949 110113 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342290248 687379 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1342290545 939451 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1342290769 911486 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342291287 229555 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee NICK :marx < 1342291298 741910 :marx!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee NICK :ogrom < 1342291305 457199 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :marx: is your first name karl? < 1342291354 5640 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi nortti < 1342291358 60248 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :ei ole < 1342291418 620987 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :jaa. nääkin oot suomalainen vai? < 1342291450 767393 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yhdeksän < 1342291472 198968 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :se on numero. mitä siitä < 1342291495 638222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1342291521 618387 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :airo on meidän? < 1342291538 115241 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitä hittoa? < 1342291559 187317 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ei siis hai < 1342291581 791435 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :jaa < 1342291591 537379 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogrom: you are estonian? < 1342291605 658465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eesti vabarik < 1342291643 888801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ii < 1342291706 275301 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: virosta joo < 1342291742 459822 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342291744 180472 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1342291745 881903 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :mä en kattonu välillä < 1342291751 209014 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1342291800 83660 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate didn't like nääkin, but suggested näin instead < 1342291826 743244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't like kattonu either < 1342291869 906153 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not kattonu between < 1342291879 539250 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nääkin=sinäkin < 1342291893 146107 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kattonu=katsonut < 1342291916 156982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh-so-dialectal. < 1342291951 67586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://sprunge.us/fFBY?haskell in which kallisti creates yet another brainfuck compiler. < 1342291966 57758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or colloquial or whatever. < 1342291985 25445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: to simplify your data type, i suggest using a concept called "negative numbers" < 1342292000 609740 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I can do that with Inc and Dec, however < 1342292010 398942 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ShiftR and ShiftL should have different code output < 1342292012 78540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: um my point is you don't need both :P < 1342292014 315441 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I could check for < 1342292017 734810 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm lazy. < 1342292028 740309 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes and that is what I was saying as well < 1342292042 695348 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I can do that" meaning "I can combine them into one constructor" < 1342292052 251297 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. underload compiler would be interesting project. it is even possible? < 1342292078 509082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: well if a _befunge_ compiler is possible... < 1342292084 833335 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody doing ICFP this year? < 1342292114 757039 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only just heard about it :( < 1342292132 869259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the need to keep both execution and string representations might complicate things... < 1342292196 30886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You just de-transform from the machine code back to whatever the string was likely to have been when necessary. < 1342292200 32082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds very practical. < 1342292215 817844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and also very optimization-breaking < 1342292271 292484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure ais523 has considered it, and i think someone else may have too (elliott?) < 1342292282 564089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither of which is present < 1342292299 278808 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. writing an os with underload... < 1342292310 480022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: it still has no input. < 1342292344 323955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: you probably want ais523's underlambda instead, once he finishes it. (note: ais523 is not too good at finishing esolangs.) < 1342292353 523734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(neither am i, come to think of it.) < 1342292369 639720 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1342292382 58998 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... not very good either < 1342292391 389834 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but what about subroutine call to os that returns input? < 1342292420 379658 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what kind of language is underlambda? < 1342292421 810830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: ...it doesn't have that either, although i guess you can assume they're put on the stack < 1342292435 410193 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :ollaan hirveit murremiehii < 1342292445 240472 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :joo. mut miks? < 1342292461 649551 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihan kiusaks vaan < 1342292476 24582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: underlambda is a language supposedly a bit like underload, but more practical and with the stated intention of being easy to compile both to and from < 1342292490 276017 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. that sounds good < 1342292509 637022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it has a core part, which can bootstrap the rest < 1342292552 423427 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a page for it? < 1342292573 900688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all this is very vague. the only other thing i remember is that it does _not_ confuse strings and program, in order to allow optimizations. < 1342292612 329089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it is constantly in flux whenever ais523 _does_ work on it. no page. < 1342292648 379502 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1342292677 742847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw underload itself was a scaled down version of a monster called overload, which also has no page. < 1342292709 410955 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342292712 149320 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1342292731 569567 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know < 1342292738 287170 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know what it was like? < 1342292746 875074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 might vaguely recall :P < 1342292764 541411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it had the kitchen sink included < 1342292818 880851 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was emacs of esolangs? < 1342292837 153453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: well maybe. funge98 already is that... < 1342292864 545623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with adding input to underload is that there is no similarly elegant way to output... < 1342292871 824887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1342292879 121980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to how output is done < 1342292886 262242 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1342292980 772375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as unlambda shows, if you _don't_ base it on some kind of numeric/binary representation you end up doing a lot of single character matches... < 1342292994 309420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could go full regexps i guess < 1342293062 441854 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does underload handle input? < 1342293100 751342 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't, nortti < 1342293117 793218 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unlambda < 1342293201 781127 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ reads a character, ?x pattern-matches < 1342293233 787926 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1342293396 509841 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something like I reads a char, ? returns (~) if two topmost elements are same and () if not < 1342293452 329013 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of an input extension for ZOMBIE < 1342293546 234821 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ? can be = < 1342293958 13252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: and that will _still_ be horribly inefficient for anything doing significant string lookup or parsing. < 1342293997 978272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because you have to match every possible character in sequence.) < 1342294091 602331 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about returning is in binary with (~) being 1 and () being 0 ? < 1342294094 567863 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1342294127 979546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my unlambda-in-unlambda interpreter had to contain a full character table in order to parse ?x functions (there is no way to construct ?x from the character x read) < 1342294167 318236 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342294218 230405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: well yes. but now there is suddenly no visual correspondence between an input and something which handles it, unlike for output. < 1342294252 545803 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it. there is no input in uderload. I'll code my os in SSBPL < 1342294309 732163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: btw check out the rule 110 underload example for my encoding of bits as single : and ^ characters. < 1342294417 7944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was fitting for a cellular automaton, and i only found two plausible ways of doing it (the other would use : and a) < 1342294482 773032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i never worked out the other one, but i see no reason why it shouldn't work) < 1342294886 264227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (this proof ignores the existence of _|_) < 1342294903 558215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like doing that and still allowing Void is the part where you are cheating... < 1342294910 355180 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1342294985 306070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly you just need one type which cannot have its value constructed from your mzero and m < 1342294996 698285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*one of its values < 1342295024 475949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well and w, i guess < 1342295082 617727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and parametricity also gives you that < 1342295091 267068 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parametricity? < 1342295117 209031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get easily a polymorphic function of type forall a. (Comonad w, MonadPlus m) => a < 1342295188 574889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parametricity implies that f must satisfy g . f = f for all f, which means you break if you have a type with a function that has no fixpoints < 1342295200 555121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, not :: Bool -> Bool < 1342295214 889616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f :: forall a. (Comonad w, MonadPlus m) => a) < 1342295295 347726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you need to ignore _|_ to have functions without fixpoints, of course) < 1342295334 433304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free f :: forall a. a < 1342295334 987296 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :g f = f < 1342295349 325683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1342295373 58696 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free f :: forall a. a -> a < 1342295373 282002 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :g . f = f . g < 1342295384 147956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how lambdabot justifies not including . in the first one < 1342295406 796844 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because f is not a category? < 1342295421 873691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1342295437 430314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the first f is const applied to the second one < 1342295450 151144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, reverse < 1342295496 546865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g f = (g . const f') _ = (const f' . g) _ = f < 1342295541 712238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the first g f = f can only hold if g is strict < 1342295548 677006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*required to be < 1342295676 977297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help free < 1342295677 532020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :free . Generate theorems for free < 1342295686 707780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free undefined < 1342295688 530685 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f undefined = undefined < 1342295771 629292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly @free assumes system F types (the original system where parametricity was discovered, i think), which don't afaik include anything of type forall a. a < 1342295817 18758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the result is also true for ML < 1342295862 119516 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free bar < 1342295863 802161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra stuff at end of line in retrieved type "Not in scope: `bar'\n\n" < 1342295870 926340 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free const < 1342295872 400824 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f . const x = const (f x) . g < 1342295887 994682 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu < 1342295910 166317 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free head . tail < 1342295910 757964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra stuff at end of line < 1342295913 758547 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1342295919 461483 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free head < 1342295921 59452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f . head = head . $map f < 1342295943 866622 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free reverse < 1342295945 348295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$map f . reverse = reverse . $map f < 1342295972 739890 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1342296007 767405 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ($map (+3) . reverse) [1..9] < 1342296010 283398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `([a] -> [a]) -> b' < 1342296010 482099 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred t... < 1342296020 986858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: $map is really map < 1342296021 460036 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what I was trying to get at is that extract mzero must be _|_, so either mzero is _|_, or extract can be _|_ for valid data < 1342296038 859112 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither is not stupid < 1342296060 837645 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342296098 280370 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the $ then? < 1342296102 258852 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks wrong with it. < 1342296107 52404 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If mzero is _|_ for one type, it must be _|_ for all types, which is useless < 1342296119 591452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: to distinguish it from an introduced variable, i guess < 1342296131 200645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free Just < 1342296131 610374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pattern match failure in do expression at Plugin/Free/FreeTheorem.hs:54:20-34 < 1342296134 162906 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free map < 1342296134 361546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1342296136 5921 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :g . h = k . f => $map g . map h = map k . $map f < 1342296148 478046 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free map < 1342296150 195371 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :g . h = k . f => $map g . map h = map k . $map f < 1342296160 354101 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free Just 5 < 1342296160 840250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pattern match failure in do expression at Plugin/Free/FreeTheorem.hs:54:20-34 < 1342296166 87279 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free Nothing < 1342296166 701584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pattern match failure in do expression at Plugin/Free/FreeTheorem.hs:54:20-34 < 1342296201 486993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i think it's trying to say it doesn't know about Maybe < 1342296228 637321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free [] < 1342296229 322485 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pattern match failure in do expression at Plugin/Free/FreeTheorem.hs:54:20-34 < 1342296231 752855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1342296257 421735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free f :: [a] < 1342296258 200303 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$map g f = f < 1342296277 171492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free f :: Maybe a < 1342296277 782027 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$map_Maybe g f = f < 1342296289 626098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's actually constructors it doesn't know about < 1342296508 808429 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free f :: (Int,Float) < 1342296509 472740 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$map_Pair $id $id f = f < 1342296552 388845 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :id $ x = id . id $ x is always true . < 1342296670 676283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int and Float have no type variables, so only id preserves them < 1342297681 812409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what with the trend of pads and phones going super-high dpi these days, I wonder when the same will happen on desktop and laptop monitors < 1342297736 329741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't mind a 150 dpi desktop or laptop monitor (306 dpi like my phone would probably mean I would need dual GPUs just to render the xfce desktop though XD) < 1342297795 18394 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, that sounds like the FUTURE < 1342297806 110063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly hope so < 1342297818 371403 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of a couple of weeks ago < 1342297834 155146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This laptop does 140dpi. < 1342297838 7699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approximately. < 1342297840 85379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, anyway, 192 dpi would be perfect, you could just 2x upscale from 96 dpi (which is pretty common on desktops) < 1342297845 693655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for bitmap graphics I mean < 1342297852 754336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I wish I had that < 1342297863 619509 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my friends has a Macbook thingy, and I'm on Ubuntu, and he was like "Haha, can your laptop do this? Spaces are a Mac only feature" < 1342297871 158857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what would 306 dpi result in on my 22" desktop monitor (16:10) < 1342297871 668906 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said "How many you got?" < 1342297877 149576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :too tired to do the math < 1342297878 580028 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said "Sixteen" < 1342297883 305135 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone here ever built heirloom-sh or any simple shell like it staticaly? < 1342297887 73764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, spaces? < 1342297900 825840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like... virtual desktops? < 1342297914 148258 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Ubuntu's Workspaces feature < 1342297924 175516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, assume I do not use modern ubuntu < 1342297930 823865 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I configured Ubuntu to have 1000000 workspaces < 1342297931 488649 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this laptop I'm on runs 10.04 < 1342297931 926255 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... < 1342297933 169506 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with gnome 2 < 1342297939 47207 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were on that? < 1342297944 681209 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Spaces on mac is like virtual desktops yes < 1342297945 595803 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Press ctrl-alt-right? < 1342297957 527895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ah so the virtual desktops then < 1342297961 383013 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1342297977 836541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were pretty outstanded by my million spaces < 1342297990 126606 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what happened when you configured it for a million workspaces? did it work? < 1342297998 131078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use 2 virtual desktops < 1342298003 875798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I hardly ever actually use the feature < 1342298012 767734 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it worked, they overfilled the switching screen and I probably counldn't use them all < 1342298020 844852 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely use more than 1 < 1342298042 332118 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've currently set it to have 36, because that's a nice square and it's more than twice what his macbook could do < 1342298042 884022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If I counted right, 5704x3565 would give approx. 306dpi with a 22" diagonal. < 1342298051 754997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice < 1342298063 724339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This one gets 144dpi or so with 1920x1080 in 15.4".) < 1342298063 969316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I would need a new GPU for that to run smoothly < 1342298074 111155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1342298094 714069 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: really? I think you probably don't need a gpu at all for that resolution < 1342298100 212390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, actually I could view the entire photos from my camera with 1:1 zoom at that resolution < 1342298104 744210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :easily < 1342298111 182864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it is 37xx x something < 1342298114 920634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Retina MacBook or whatever that we already discussed has 2880x1800 in the same 15.4" form factor. < 1342298116 521030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1342298119 738733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what < 1342298153 383670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what does that equate in dpi < 1342298191 309698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 220dpi. < 1342298201 870054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1342298219 280846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway at 300 dpi I suspect you could do serif fonts with no issues < 1342298220 115098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1342298267 507203 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a typical desktop resolution doesn't need any acceleration at all to work, and 5704x3565 is only like 5x more than what I have now < 1342298271 765979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that they work on paper, presumably. < 1342298284 479509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well I meant for 3D games to run smoothly of course < 1342298333 407324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I would expect 2D acceleration would be taxed by a resolution like that still < 1342298337 210129 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe not < 1342298364 792067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: You have something like 2560x1600 now, then? Fancy. < 1342298365 218455 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 120 Hz monitors are awesome < 1342298461 764355 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: one 1920x1200 and one 1600x1200 < 1342298463 221149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, what about that 4096p video format thing? < 1342298504 791293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dual-link DVI bandwidth "only" goes up to 3840x2400 or so, which might be a problem for the 300dpi 22" monitor. Though I suppose the more modern things have bumped that up. < 1342298511 640139 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also dammit, why doesn't the youtube player offer an option to neither downscale or upscale 720p video < 1342298525 388716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/or/nor/ < 1342298554 111375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it did, at least down-. < 1342298584 882411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I want to play it at 720p on screen, I'm pretty sure it downscales unless full screen, and full screen upscales < 1342298608 800860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I misread that. < 1342298617 455726 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too, it sounded like you wanted scaling < 1342298623 827467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the 'n' in 'neither' or something. < 1342298640 686878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it doesn't have a don't-scale option, that is probably true. < 1342298660 471344 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just ambiguous with two possible readings that mean the opposite things < 1342298669 847089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1342298685 812229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and youtube-dl + vlc is more work < 1342298713 264949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I should get an USB OTG cable... < 1342298729 461356 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what? < 1342298753 616180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, for connecting stuff like mice and usb memories to my phone. < 1342298782 637891 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what phone do you have? < 1342298788 638131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, Samsung Galaxy S3 < 1342298795 688102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I9300, the international version) < 1342298837 597119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I need a micro USB plug to USB type A socket cable < 1342298842 598531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(those exist) < 1342298861 543260 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. I have used one with nokia n810 < 1342298876 630916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1342298882 51749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where to get hold of them < 1342298884 668120 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why do you want to attach mouse to androind phone? < 1342298904 136978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well maybe not mouse, but what about gamepad? < 1342298917 383539 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. that sound less crazy < 1342298925 346344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done the N900 + PS3 gamepad over bluetooth thing, it worked reasonably well. < 1342298929 217097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or keyboard for when IRC chatting < 1342298941 694147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, PS3 does communication over USB too right? < 1342298949 957414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it only use that for charging? < 1342298963 380322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses USB for talking, too, if you have the wire in. < 1342298963 579442 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of folding keyboard would be nice for that kind of things < 1342298968 742036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342298969 367085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how I use it with the computer, mostly. < 1342298975 540108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No worries about batteries, after all. < 1342298996 305023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do want to get one... but they are kind of expensive < 1342299007 355640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the PS2 needs a converter right? < 1342299013 220491 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: have you tried nemo os/mer on your n900? < 1342299032 470252 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also should I buy one < 1342299061 803362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. I've got an old PSX no-analog gamepad with an inexpensive converter for a second pad. Not that I've ever used it for that, I don't really do "friends". (I did use it before I got the PS3 pad, though.) < 1342299102 825566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Buy one what? And no, I haven't tried nemo/mer or anything especially "nonstandard". Haven't really seen the need, since it works just fine as a SSH client as is. < 1342299106 259482 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I definitely want analog controllers < 1342299112 683205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the only reason to get a gamepad < 1342299116 635723 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: n900 < 1342299134 80471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, N900 has plastic screen right? Not gorilla glass? < 1342299144 90949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw one that was like super-scratched recently < 1342299146 56102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Well, I don't have recommendations like that. < 1342299183 295993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. I've got a 3 EUR plastic film on top of the screen, thought I'll just change it if it gets too scratchy. < 1342299191 77192 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: n900 has plastic resistive screen that from what I have used is better than any capasitive screen I have used < 1342299227 365462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the screen, but quite a lot of people go all "it's not capacitive so it's completely useless" out of what I think are philosophical reasons. < 1342299243 744926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given winter temperatures in Finland, I like how it's glove-usable, at least. < 1342299244 250941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, can't you do a resistive glass screen? < 1342299253 44072 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1342299266 312953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I prefer something that work with gloves sure, but I even more prefer something durable < 1342299312 589600 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: for a long time I was "it's not resistive so it's completely useless" but then I used htc wildfire and was "it's not resistive so it's mostly useless" < 1342299350 17738 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I still have screen of my nokia 7710 in a very good shape < 1342299353 689177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Durability is a matter of handling, I personally think. I mean, sure, if you stick it uncovered in a pocket with keys, I suppose it could get scratchy. Anyway, I think the replaceable sticker thing is a reasonable "solution". (Anyway, to each his or her own.) < 1342299373 971063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, during non-winter capacitive works just fine. And I guess I just have to live with using capacitive gloves. Since finding resistive screens is hard < 1342299411 294116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also can you do oleophobic plastic screens? < 1342299414 511112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the N900 stylus quite a lot too, and I understand that's also something "people" hate to do. < 1342299426 626276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because oleophobic rocks. That is one reason I don't want copter screen protector or similar < 1342299431 158147 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love styluses < 1342299432 589827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are not oleophobic < 1342299445 902008 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it means you have to use two hands < 1342299450 263326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not always that easy < 1342299519 723750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the N900 is that terribly well-designed from the one-hand point of view, to be honest. (E.g. just unlocking it with one hand is a bit of a pain, since the hardware lock slider thing is not easy to operate single-handedly, at least for me.) < 1342299551 773342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you can do the button + slide to unlock thing, but it's not one of my habits. < 1342299554 370268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1342299559 481764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware lock slider < 1342299560 510349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1342299596 576300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nice until it breaks. :p (I've heard of a two or three cases in the interwebs where the hardware slider has just started spewing hundreds of firing events to the board all the time.) < 1342299656 88973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1342299662 232133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a spring sort of a thing, it stays in one position and then you slide it down to unlock the screen, it goes back to the previous position by itself. But it's about in the middle of one of the narrow sides, so it's a bit hard with one hand, at least for me. < 1342299680 734486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like stupid placement indeed < 1342299699 297603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole portrait mode is a bit of an afterthought in the N900. :p < 1342299721 228406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shows its tablet roots, the way it wants to be landscape most of the time. < 1342299757 253447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They added portrait mode support in the browser, and portrait virtual keyboard, quite late in the software too. < 1342299787 53101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean "it had already been released for a while" late.) < 1342299848 744792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the photo browser has always (I think?) done autorotation properly. But initially that was one of the few apps that did. < 1342299897 862957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure if the desktop portrait mode is in the latest official Nokia version, actually. < 1342299964 833514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1342299976 279516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so auto rotation is not an OS wide feature? < 1342299981 356221 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1342299982 520887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is kind of crazy < 1342299988 428062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a phone I mean < 1342300001 769476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about rotation in the caller software? < 1342300003 340522 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. it has tablet roots < 1342300006 670066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It kind of is, now, in that the GUI libs support it. < 1342300021 133309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, isn't those just gtk? < 1342300027 800986 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hildon < 1342300031 746505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's QT now. < 1342300038 203091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's where they were going to. < 1342300055 738282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the "Phone" app is mostly portrait, yes. One of the few exceptions. < 1342300061 183379 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then meego was shot down. and tjen meltemi < 1342300070 6311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it goes into landscape except if you open the hardware keyboard. < 1342300134 96043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, personally I think something like 70% of my use is just with the hardware keyboard (plus XTerminal + ssh) open, so it doesn't matter all that much. (And most of the rest is in the ebook reader, which has done custom rotation from the start, so you can keep it in portrait mode and read books easily, scrolling pages with the hardware +/- volume rocker which is well-positioned under thumb ... < 1342300140 152216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... when holding the device portraitly.) < 1342300154 880601 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: have you ever used pre-fremantle maemo or maemo tablets? < 1342300192 155548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really used-as-in-owned, though I've tried a friend's tablet (I forget which one, exactly) out. < 1342300219 832745 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it have hwkeyboard? < 1342300229 697687 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hw keyboard < 1342300232 123503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think it did. < 1342300238 180000 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :n810 < 1342300245 323823 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :running maemo 4 < 1342300247 622457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be. < 1342300253 112427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some sort of a directional pad too, I believe. < 1342300260 556525 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have nokia 770 < 1342300285 686078 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it in 2005 < 1342300294 823228 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs maemo 1 < 1342300304 625734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also briefly fiddled some tablet prototype in some sort of a place (maybe it was at NRC when I spent one summer there?), but I've completely forgotten how that fits in the family tree. < 1342300321 748932 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NRC? < 1342300328 630239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nokia Research Centre. < 1342300333 906729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's Center. < 1342300338 934611 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. when was it? < 1342300345 369804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2007, I think. < 1342300359 457574 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it was probably n800 or n810 < 1342300404 31442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very possible. It had some amount of tape holding bits of it in place, that's about all I can remember. < 1342300409 618809 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1342300488 859675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there was another prototype device (of some Symbian phone) that they didn't have well-fitting flasher hardware receptables for, so you had to keep holding the stupid thing pressed down (so that the pins caught the flashing contacts exposed through a hole behind the battery or something) during the whole flashing process. < 1342300514 15432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the regular ones the "proper" flasher bit sort of snapped together with the phone and held it in place. < 1342300552 975607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately I've completely forgotten the device code names; they were funny, but I'm sure they're officially top secret insider information. < 1342300560 535812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I've seen some of them in the interwebs. < 1342300584 392878 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like 7700 was officialy never released < 1342300765 203588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, funny? < 1342300772 423633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, humorous. < 1342300788 704704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones did you see on the interwebs then < 1342300797 317272 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was list of codenames published in nyt some years ago < 1342300797 955642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely those are well known already < 1342300803 701705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, got a link? < 1342300820 520457 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is a paper magazine < 1342300825 31962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1342300835 991944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've completely forgotten. But they're not *that* funny. < 1342300861 291392 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had scans of it on my old hd that broke < 1342300888 539808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard (and Wikipedia knows this too) that N9 was called "lankku" (plank, i.e. flat piece of wood), presumably due to the shape. But I'm not sure if that was actually the internal project codename or just a regular nickname. < 1342300945 251188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007 was like half a decade ago, after all. < 1342301020 965008 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit I want this music but it seems to only be available on iTunes... < 1342301023 107430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get my (personal) N-gage's system software updated to the latest version at the Nokia HQ's phone-support desk with no extra cost. (I believe normally they charge some money for doing that unless you actually are having some problems with it and thus can get it done as a warranty fix.) < 1342301032 415716 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my father told me that n92 was called halko < 1342301044 229665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds very possible. < 1342301056 816022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would that name mean? < 1342301067 139665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, larger piece of wood. < 1342301067 796339 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1342301081 805061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1342301110 679453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a single word for "larger piece of wood"? < 1342301112 972996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1342301117 476355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A log (piece of wood to be burned)" according to wiktionary. < 1342301124 620827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342301126 627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1342301129 991583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so super-awesome then < 1342301133 626055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it's exactly the same as the English "log" though. < 1342301166 535611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. (7) log -- (a segment of the trunk of a tree when stripped of branches) < 1342301192 301357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1342301193 905702 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also older nokia phones are sometimes called halko-nokia < 1342301194 312907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, "halko" kind of has a connotation that it's small enough to be burned in a wood stove or something. < 1342301201 65071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1342301226 203724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or shorter, at least. < 1342301228 898584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind of thing that you'd take an axe to, to make firewoord, instead of a whole tree trunk. < 1342301235 376090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/woord/wood/ < 1342301250 542519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly the results of the chopping. < 1342301259 79512 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, 'ved' < 1342301286 710235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1342301304 732269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"halko s < 1342301304 930553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :vedträ [-t/-et,-n,-na], ved [-en,-,-], klamp [-en,-ar,-arna] < 1342301313 372913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says the MOT Finnish/Swedish dictionary. < 1342301324 165712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, MOT? < 1342301333 968627 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ministry of Transport < 1342301334 167494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's this dictionary company. < 1342301341 625630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1342301344 741920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, har < 1342301350 266011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's short for something, except for the things it's commonly short for. < 1342301369 32316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like QED in Finnish, too, but I doubt that's related. < 1342301389 52165 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also television program produced by YLE < 1342301418 682322 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :YLE is short for yleisradio < 1342301423 670747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually MOT seems to be just the brand name, and the company's called "Kielikone" (lit. "language machine"). < 1342301458 115758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their home page doesn't seem to describe why it's called "MOT". < 1342301491 366591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a commercial thing, but accessible via the university's web-proxy, they have some sort of a volume license deal. (Many other schools and universities also do.)) < 1342301511 682882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm anyone know a good way to extract the audio of a video file (MP4) to a music file (OGG Vorbis) < 1342301520 474614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, any other suitable format for the music < 1342301554 846281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess ffmpeg can do it (is there anything it can't?) but the question is how < 1342301561 774069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used ffmpeg's command-line tool to do that kind of things, but it doesn't exactly have the most memorable command line syntax, so it's always a moment spent fiddling with the man pages. < 1342301569 947697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffmpeg: missing argument for option '--help' < 1342301572 210780 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1342301573 975426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :VLC's "save/stream" advanced wizard thing can probably do it too. < 1342301607 705906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can select a "no-transcode" option in there if you don't want it to mess with the content, assuming codecs compatible with the containers involved.) < 1342301621 354663 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ffmpeg -i inputfile outputfile < 1342301628 292041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, that saves the audio? < 1342301636 314817 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1342301637 394420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what audio format does MP4 contains? Or does that vary? < 1342301641 48833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, thanks < 1342301642 990771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's an audio-only output format, it will automagically do a sensible thing. < 1342301659 39417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be more than stereo though < 1342301666 84277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.1 or 7.1 < 1342301675 589167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 100% sure though < 1342301680 727570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will print out information about the streams, you can see what it's doing and if it looks sensible. < 1342301801 280940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose it's a YouTube MP4, incidentally? < 1342301807 742703 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it normal to be able to whistle both while inhaling and exhaling? < 1342301816 875462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I need to import it into audacity or something anyway to cut out a bit of a outro bit that I don't want < 1342301831 444085 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, no you a totally a freak! < 1342301846 383143 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it normal to be on fire? < 1342301848 492072 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no idea, does it sound the same or slightly different quality?) < 1342301858 323053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was normal. (Though I can just produce a whistling sound, not to actually whistle anything sensible.) < 1342301869 247909 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inhaling has a higher range than exhaling < 1342301870 547408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I think it is normal too < 1342301888 192438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1342301899 336785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The YouTube question was because youtube-dl has that --extract-audio flag which will automagically invoke the ffmpeg command line tools to save only the audio.) < 1342301905 69246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my experience is that I get less pure tones when inhaling < 1342301916 243965 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can whistle tunes with both in and out, but inhaling sounds higher pitched < 1342301919 987994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't suppose it's a YouTube MP4, incidentally? <-- yes < 1342301932 675025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have the files downloaded though < 1342301943 940003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case you probably don't want to use the flag. < 1342301958 149285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly a useful flag if you want both look at things and extract the audio, too. < 1342301973 723065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway I do want to cut out a bit on the end where it is a bit of a different music video (with some clickable annotation stuff) < 1342302004 49554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're lucky, you could do that with ffmpeg without re-compression, possibly. < 1342302011 50559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1342302030 284385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need to give start offsets and lengths in seconds, though, so it's not quite as user-friendly as doing it in Audacity. < 1342302045 701512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might not even be whole seconds < 1342302064 876009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's something like "-ss HH:MM:SS.xxx" to do a seek at the start. < 1342302069 873813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342302089 279432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then "-t" and a similar timestamp to specify the duration of what to extract. < 1342302100 358974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I want 0 to whatever point < 1342302103 930043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess just -t < 1342302107 958188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. Then it's just -t. < 1342302115 735656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I need vlc to give me exact timestamps < 1342302117 592315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1342302120 189100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnh < 1342302133 449373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Well, you could extract the whole thing and then get timestamps from Audacity. < 1342302140 888518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that would work < 1342302157 873821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I need to get the codec in mp4 to avoid transcoding the audio < 1342302172 678655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my natural instinct is using .ogg for output but that is not going to work < 1342302195 600486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :could read the youtube-dl code I guess < 1342302198 29479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's from YouTube, I think it's always either MP3 or AAC (the latter for the "high-quality" formats), but I could be wrong there. < 1342302211 793274 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, some videos are 720p some are 1080p < 1342302221 861820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a handful of videos to do this on < 1342302236 690296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm under the impression that all that get labeled as "HD" have AAC audio in them. But, again, could be wrong. < 1342302279 532854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, if you just 'ffmpeg' it into whatever, it'll report what was in there, IIRC. < 1342302281 753024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess I could take a look at vlc debug output, it tends to dump a lot of stuff on the terminal when running < 1342302286 128087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1342302288 155241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is it normal to be able to whistle both while inhaling and exhaling? <-- nope, we are both freaks < 1342302309 824884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can just "ffmpeg -i file.mp4 test.wav" to get the Audacity timestampable version, and then "ffmpeg -i file.mp4 -t duration output.ext". < 1342302320 779184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is AAC < 1342302357 790532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that should work < 1342302376 769866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what AAC audio gets conventionally stored in. Though I've certainly seen files with just a ".aac" extension. < 1342302391 744950 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think that is how it is usually stored < 1342302394 390927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In addition to the MP4, 3GP and other ISO base media file format-based container formats for storage, AAC audio data may be packaged in a more basic format called Audio Data Interchange Format (ADIF),[39] consisting of a single header followed by the raw AAC audio data blocks.[40] Alternatively, it may be packaged in a streaming format called Audio Data Transport Stream (ADTS), consisting of ... < 1342302400 578208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... a series of frames, each frame having a header followed by the AAC audio data.[39] Both formats are defined in MPEG-2 Part 7, but are only considered informative by MPEG-4, so an MPEG-4 decoder does not need to support either format.[39] These containers, as well as a raw AAC stream, may bear the .aac file extension." < 1342302413 628426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How typically confused. < 1342302435 766212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is the tagging format of .aac files? < 1342302438 251058 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ID3? < 1342302441 791101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, no idea. < 1342302456 335973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ID3 is of course a mess too, as I'm sure I mentioned recently < 1342302576 684713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if ffmpeg is magicky enough to extract only audio if you specify a file.m4a as output. (That's a common name for a MP4 file that has only an audio stream, and I think they have some sort of a common metadata thing, though that latter part is just a hunch.) < 1342302601 583418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1342302717 450668 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :will try in a bit, working on getting the media files to the right computer atm < 1342302811 489794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFmpeg version SVN-r0.5.9-4:0.5.9-0ubuntu0.10.04.1, Copyright (c) 2000-2009 Fabrice Bellard, et al. <-- hm. That guy's name sounds familiar. < 1342302819 760894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the qemu guy, right? < 1342302823 971369 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1342302829 880900 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the tcc guy < 1342302833 458040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1342302841 429041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fingers in all pies. < 1342302844 766786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1342302902 951220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on a quick test, you will need to "ffmpeg -vn -i infile.ext outfile.m4a" if you want to have it drop the video stream but output a MP4 file. (Not that I'm explicitly advocating a MP4 audio-only container, I have no idea about player/metadata compatibilities.) < 1342302927 840342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-vn and -an are the "disable video recording" and "disable audio recording" flags of ffmpeg, respectively.) < 1342302960 135186 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I'm pretty sure my phone can do .aac so that is what I'm aiming for < 1342302981 734286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :vn = video not? < 1342302996 270803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nv sounds saner (no video) < 1342303021 440981 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1342303022 640257 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1342303063 396011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. Or "none". There's at least different "-aX" flags that control different aspects of the audio (bitrates and such), maybe it's copying tht. < 1342303086 192493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling I've put raw .aac files on the N900 too, as ring/SMS tones, but I don't know about hanging tags in them. < 1342303099 713435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tht? < 1342303111 826815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That. < 1342303116 365742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342303171 631951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I use flac on my computer for music (unless the source format was not a CD), and ogg vorbis for any flac when copying that music to my phone. < 1342303184 79454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have any .aac before though < 1342303202 368102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having an ".aac" output extension seems to "Output #0, adts, to 'test.aac'" so it'll be an ADTS file. I suppose that must be popular, if it defaults to that. < 1342303312 85365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is there a "standard" for tagging AAC ADTS/ADIF ? I see that mp3tag uses APEv2? -- They are usually tagged like MP3 files - ID3v1, ID3v2, APEv2, etc." (Random Google-hit.) < 1342303369 676450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1342303387 599663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough, I use picard mostly for tagging < 1342303398 511717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then mp3tag to embed cover art < 1342304286 245450 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1342304355 864969 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342304387 253457 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1342304586 894877 :pikhq!~pikhq@168.103.250.213 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342304592 169096 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-146.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342305196 716889 :stanley!~stanley@unaffiliated/stanley QUIT :K-Lined < 1342305221 480850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1342305232 315799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log stanley> < 1342305267 101555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1342305271 645639 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1342305274 946390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log stanley> < 1342305291 418534 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-06-04.txt:16:08:52: you specify < 1342305299 539515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log < 1342305306 656159 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-07-14.txt:22:34:59: `log < 1342305315 146963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs < 1342305321 958595 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.2404 < 1342305347 592152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess he never got around to say anything in this channel < 1342305422 566509 :const!~root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :invariable < 1342305423 872244 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342305503 664661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm, my ffmpeg did not like aac? why < 1342305505 711977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^ < 1342305621 971100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my znogf is gaffled, too < 1342305677 955441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, who was/is stenley? < 1342305688 424191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :stanley* < 1342305708 567045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and what is "and my znogf is gaffled, too" all about? < 1342305763 639024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the ffmpeg on the other computer worked < 1342305788 690042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it didn't < 1342305797 145399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just left empty files < 1342305810 962807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1342305871 316700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it can only decode aac < 1342306025 226977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (1) some guy who just got k-lined above, after being here for more than an hour without saying anything < 1342306036 367999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342306076 85163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) I just got struck by how incomprehensible "hrrm, my ffmpeg did not like aac? why" would look to a non-technical person < 1342306088 384098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342306099 608661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems it has decoding only support for it < 1342306261 475831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha found it < 1342306341 252484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be split into different packages. < 1342306366 877084 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: (1) some guy who just got k-lined above, after being here for more than an hour without saying anything < 1342306382 792584 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was probably a refugee. < 1342306393 160027 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only he knew how IRC worked. < 1342306636 793670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, though, you'd think even without the libfaac dependency it could just copy the stuffs, assuming libavformat is what does the actual bundling in an ADTS file. < 1342306689 126638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think ffmpeg does try to not re-encode if it's possible. < 1342306748 56769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be worthwhile to explicitly "-acodec copy" though. < 1342306752 50291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wat < 1342306779 432819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then it will at least barf if things are not going to work out, instead of silently doing something complicated.) < 1342307096 248960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :building my own ffmpeg atm < 1342307129 805064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, actually -acodec copy worked < 1342307134 991618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1342307163 396289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it did < 1342307631 545507 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342307726 491659 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342307733 272738 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D7FA.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342307764 304620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is Dovregubben? And that sounds like something in Norwegian? < 1342307768 965742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right? < 1342307918 793861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you are _so_ late < 1342307949 173650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, it's a troll from Ibsen's Peer Gynt, and possibly Norwegian folklore in general) < 1342308065 202785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Selv om Dovregubben bygger på norske eventyr og sagn med røtter tilbake til hedensk tid, er navnet og figuren sannsynligvis Ibsens egen konstruksjon.[trenger referanse]" < 1342308078 616466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that as you will :P < 1342308424 77300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm? < 1342308438 369724 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah so that guy, is he Norwegian? < 1342308458 577658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dovregubben: er du norsk? < 1342308500 653401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comcast address does not precisely strengthen the theory < 1342308527 740100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs dovregubben < 1342308534 363758 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.29444 < 1342308602 789738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say no: we may have declared independence on July 4, 1776, but the rest of the world didn't recognize us as independent until years later (if at all) < 1342308653 598564 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1342308763 3869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, whatever format mp3tag uses to write the tags in is not working in either vlc nor on the phone < 1342308764 391608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1342309767 921068 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342309984 953815 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-146.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342309989 482556 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-174.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric