00:11:47 -!- elliott has joined. 00:51:49 elliott, HI! 00:52:03 hellioptter 00:58:18 Vorpal: what 00:58:18 hi 00:58:18 elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 00:58:20 ugh 00:58:33 monqy: what 01:04:42 Wait, Livonia is a real place??? 01:04:52 I swear Neil Gaiman knows everything. 01:15:21 -!- newsham has joined. 01:15:57 esolang wiki has a page for a langauge called "lambda" but broken link :( 01:16:32 wanted to mention i also wrote a small language I called "lambda" (i know.. join the club).. http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/lambda/ 01:17:13 hewsham 01:17:17 hi 01:18:01 I think when there are multiple languages people make pages with the name of the author in parentheses. 01:18:13 E.g. http://esolangs.org/wiki/Clue_(Keymaker) http://esolangs.org/wiki/Clue_(oklopol) 01:18:37 (This suggests that you should make a second, unrelated language called "lambda", to cause some real confusion.) 01:18:54 or change my name to calculus 01:20:29 If you do that, people might think you're not discreet. 01:20:57 Anyway, ask elliott about the Rules of the Wiki. 01:21:03 elliott: "rules plz" 01:24:27 The existing lambda page is very uninformative. 01:27:05 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 01:43:50 newsham! 01:44:27 holy shit it's quarter to four 01:44:30 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:50:59 elliott: Where's news-ham? 01:52:16 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 01:52:17 in hawaii 01:54:11 goog maps 96706 01:54:12 Ha, why? 01:54:33 All the cool zip codes start with 9, copumpkin. 01:54:48 I dunno, 0 seems better to me 01:55:05 right coasters 01:55:21 More like wrong coasters, am I right? 01:55:42 Hawaiian names look a bit like Finnish names. 01:55:48 Must be all the doubled vowels. 01:57:10 alphabet: aeiou hklmnpw` (thats not punctuation, thats a gloteral(sp?) stop) 01:58:37 Glottal? 01:58:50 probably 01:59:07 English has glottal stops too, they're just not written. 01:59:12 sorry, english is nto my first language 01:59:14 i speak american 01:59:23 ie. i'm dumb 01:59:26 And I guess they're only at the beginnings of words, and often slurred. 01:59:43 if we slur our words enough maybe we can be like the french 01:59:54 drunken latin 02:13:11 Hm what? 02:13:14 newsham: Hi. What? 02:13:26 Yes, we do disambiguation pages. 02:13:28 hi. 02:13:41 Something like Lambda (newsham) or Lambda (yourrealnamehere) or whatever and moving the existing Lambda to a similar title would be ideal. 02:13:49 Then create a page like http://esolangs.org/wiki/Clue. 02:14:12 Our current [[Lambda]] page is bad. 02:14:31 Seems like the Wayback Machine has the page, at least. 02:14:35 authors usually add their language to yoru wiki? 02:15:00 Yes. You think more than one person cares about the 5000th brainfuck cipher enough to write a page about it? :) 02:15:17 (Not saying anything about your language! Just that the wiki would hardly thrive if we had no vanity.) 02:15:36 Probably upwards of 80% of new pages are authors creating pages for their own languages. 02:15:51 Of course, if you want someone else to write a page that's fine too. Might not happen, though. 02:16:34 i'm shocked that the world hasnt taken to writing new phone apps using my interpeter 02:19:42 -!- itidus21 has joined. 02:21:15 it is pure injustice 02:21:16 elliott: Can you guess what newsham's real name is? 02:21:20 is it News Ham 02:21:23 New Sham 02:21:27 Ne Wsham 02:21:30 Newsh Am 02:21:46 I do not want green eggs and ham. I do not want them, Newsh I am! 02:23:20 will you eat them with a fox? will you eat them in a box? 02:23:37 IOUEgg# 02:32:16 wtf is firefox doing >.< ... i won't abandon it, but apparently it's unaware that it can chill out.. 02:32:31 ?bf >.< 02:32:31 Done. 02:33:02 1 page open, more or less standard html... and its using about 15% cpu.. 02:33:03 has anyone written meaningful prose that executes as an interesting bf program? 02:33:54 newsham: They play a BF competition game in here. 02:34:16 !bfjoust HELP I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING++++++[>.<>+>]+ 02:34:26 Score for shachaf_HELP: 6.7 02:34:39 elliott can tell you the rules. 02:34:57 http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust, http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies 02:36:29 bf core wars? 02:36:53 !bfjoust tidusthisisntagame >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>+<[+<]-[<-+[-]>+[-+]>-][+->+[-<-+>-[+<-]+>]] 02:36:56 Score for itidus21_tidusthisisntagame: 2.1 02:37:33 newsham: not quite core wars 02:37:41 you have no access to the other program's source in any way, for instance 02:38:51 Fuck it, we'll use python 2. Theres no time for python 3. Fuck it. 02:39:41 python 3 is the ipv6 of languages 02:39:47 * itidus21 looks around sheepishly. 02:40:00 this isn't actually the channel i intended to say that. 02:40:51 iti: why not? py3 is an esoteric lang, no? 02:41:06 lol 02:41:35 im not really using it to make code, rather to run other peoples code 02:42:36 hmm. do esoteric language extensions count? sigfpe wrote a py preprocessor which adds monad comprehensions to python 02:43:35 maybe thats too useful to be esolang 02:45:16 i think i'm officially barred from determining what's officially esoteric 02:48:55 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 02:57:38 Esolangness isn't just a bit. 02:57:43 There's a continuous scale. 02:57:55 It's measured in esolangstroms. 03:04:51 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:14:20 -!- augur has joined. 05:35:59 -!- Dovregubben has joined. 05:37:47 Hi 05:39:46 hi 05:39:48 `welcome Dovregubben 05:39:59 Dovregubben: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 05:42:31 oh, I don't know any esoteric programming languages 05:42:45 I found this channel on a site about Conway's Game of Life 05:43:04 apparently there's used to be a #gameoflife channel, but there isn't one now 05:43:27 I think PH ran that one. 05:43:29 He's in here a lot. 05:43:39 Game of Life is pretty much on-topic here. 05:43:54 * Dovregubben is afraid the most esoteric programming language he knows is TI-99/4A BASIC 05:44:07 also on-topic :P 05:44:22 this guy is already more qualified than me 05:44:49 wait.... logo would be considered a language, right? 05:44:59 haven't seen that in years.... 05:45:02 logo is a programming language yes 05:46:50 anyone here know anything about Life? 05:47:34 Dovregubben: make yourself comfortable.. i think you're in the right place 06:00:54 i don't. but everyone else does 06:07:20 hi 06:07:34 hi 06:09:38 what qualifies something as a "methuselah?" 06:10:44 beyond the obvious, I mean 06:10:57 like... does it have to be assymetrical? 06:12:09 does it have to be composed only of one instance of a pattern? 06:13:23 well it is a specific small configuration that takes many turns to stabilise 06:13:29 "small" is of course subjective, as is "many" 06:13:37 yeah.... 06:13:42 "More specifically, Martin Gardner defines them as patterns of fewer than ten live cells which take longer than 50 generations to stabilize" 06:13:50 hmm... 06:14:08 I've been goofing around with a pattern of 12 cells that takes 1145 generations to stabilize 06:14:20 http://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/Fred what a good pattern 06:14:25 I can't be the first person to discover it 06:14:29 but I can't find it anywhere 06:14:41 http://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=4610#p4610 nice 06:14:54 Dovregubben: take a look at http://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/List_of_long-lived_methuselahs or such, perhaps? 06:15:03 looked there 06:15:06 not there 06:15:18 I'm thinking maybe because it's symmetrical it's not considered a methuselah? 06:15:20 The pattern is named after Dr. Fred Edison from the "Maniac Mansion" computer game, whose wife was also called "Edna". <-- heh 06:15:26 I don't see why symmetrically would matter 06:15:29 *symmetricality 06:34:43 * Sgeo vaguely wonders what elliott thinks of Tcl 06:36:38 it's a language 06:36:54 something about strings 06:39:33 yes, strings are bad data structures 06:41:42 Apparently, later implementations use good data structures behind the scenes 06:44:07 yes because what what we need are low-level languages with high-level implementations 06:44:12 my objection was clearly one of performance 06:47:48 -!- elliott has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:01:34 Happy Birthday America! 07:02:32 It's funny we call this independence day 07:03:37 we may have declared independence on July 4, 1776, but the rest of the world didn't recognize us as independent until years later (if at all) 08:00:32 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 08:03:42 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:07:17 Tcl seems like it might be a good language for a codenomic 08:07:52 -!- coppro has quit (*.net *.split). 08:07:52 -!- newsham has quit (*.net *.split). 08:10:45 -!- newsham has joined. 08:10:46 -!- coppro has joined. 08:10:58 `pastelog tcl 08:11:17 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.5005 08:13:01 -!- coppro has quit (*.net *.split). 08:13:01 -!- newsham has quit (*.net *.split). 08:15:02 -!- newsham has joined. 08:15:02 -!- coppro has joined. 09:02:14 -!- atehwa has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 09:02:27 -!- atehwa has joined. 09:03:39 -!- Vorpal has joined. 09:20:14 -!- edwardk has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 09:30:29 -!- MoALTz has joined. 09:30:53 -!- john_metcalf has joined. 09:32:30 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 09:44:13 -!- ais523 has quit. 10:32:09 -!- yorick_ has joined. 10:36:12 -!- yorick has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 11:33:30 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 11:49:31 -!- boily has joined. 12:15:30 Meanwhile in Finland http://youtu.be/8H7Qjp9itF8 12:28:02 -!- Dovregubben has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 12:28:11 -!- Dovregubben has joined. 12:37:27 -!- edwardk has joined. 12:41:58 -!- edwardk has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 12:45:01 -!- john_metcalf has left. 12:45:01 -!- john_metcalf has quit (Quit: john_metcalf). 12:46:55 -!- yorick_ has changed nick to yorick. 13:26:25 -!- Patashu has changed nick to Patashu[Zzz]. 13:57:10 -!- Dovregubben has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 13:58:51 -!- Dovregubben has joined. 14:07:56 -!- john_metcalf has joined. 14:14:09 -!- john_metcalf has left. 14:49:41 -!- Sarajevo has joined. 14:59:18 -!- Taneb has joined. 15:00:09 Hello! 15:07:16 Taneb: hi! 15:47:10 -!- Sarajevo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:59:49 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 16:01:55 -!- boily has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8). 16:07:02 -!- Taneb has joined. 16:07:53 -!- itidus20 has joined. 16:08:36 Hello again! 16:11:07 -!- itidus21 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:13:42 brb 16:16:48 -!- copumpkin has changed nick to Mystery8anshee. 16:16:56 -!- Mystery8anshee has changed nick to copumpkin. 16:29:45 Back 16:39:37 -!- azaq23 has joined. 16:39:49 -!- azaq23 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 16:39:54 -!- elliott has joined. 16:40:25 -!- azaq23 has joined. 16:47:42 @messages? 16:47:42 Sorry, no messages today. 16:52:56 Hello, elliott 16:53:14 Haneb, 16:53:16 *. 17:29:08 -!- edwardk has joined. 17:42:14 -!- Taneb has set topic: Individuals guilty of ruining this channel: itidus21 (ex officio), others (see /list) | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 17:42:36 No wait, /list lists channels? 17:43:43 -!- Taneb has set topic: Individuals guilty of ruining this channel: itidus21 (ex officio), others (see /names) | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 17:48:44 -!- boily has joined. 18:27:24 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:30:52 Phantom__Hoover, danger rooming advice? 18:32:13 -!- boily has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 18:38:05 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 18:40:49 -!- itidus20 has changed nick to itidus21. 18:42:24 Taneb, um, what're you having trouble with. 18:42:24 Phantom__Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 18:42:41 Remembering how big they are and whether shields come before armour 18:43:07 5x1 with a door at the end, you give them armour, then weapons, then shield. 18:43:14 -!- edwardk has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 18:43:19 Okay 18:45:35 -!- MoALTz has joined. 18:47:31 -!- oerjan has joined. 18:48:42 -!- boily has joined. 18:49:18 Oh also if you're DRing marksdorfs (for survivability) leave out the weapon altogether; they'll train in hammers rather than crossbows. 18:49:35 ion said 1d 1h 54m 29s ago: Plenty of people have dash cams. 18:49:51 You mean they have cameras on their dashboard recording their daily drive? 18:49:54 ...why? 18:51:04 -!- oerjan has set topic: Individuals guilty of ruining this channel: itidus21 (ex officio), oerjan (ex cathedra), others (see /names) | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 18:51:31 @quote 18:51:31 Makoryu says: Why should people have to change how they think when learning a language with a reputation for changing how you think?! 18:51:53 a conundrum indeed 18:51:59 -!- nortti has joined. 18:53:10 Phantom__Hoover: Danger rooms are another example of the kind of pathological behaviour that victory dancing promotes, incidentally. 18:53:25 hi again 18:53:29 Hello 18:53:39 aloha 18:53:59 Are there any Icelanders in here 18:55:08 Eyjafjallajökull 18:55:20 Phantom__Hoover, I'm watching my untrained army getting utterly trounced by a wombat 18:58:27 phantom__hoover: For instance, having more proof than just your word against the other’s in case of a dispute after a crash that wasn’t your fault. 19:00:30 * oerjan smells a norwegian troll here 19:01:00 ion isn't trolling, I believe that kind of thing is common in several countries. 19:01:07 except why would a norwegian troll use comcast 19:01:15 elliott: no, i mean from looking at the logs 19:01:19 oh 19:01:19 link 19:01:50 http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2012-07-04.txt HTH 19:01:57 who the fuck uses the .txt logs 19:02:02 Me? 19:02:10 why 19:02:14 i do, the text was too big on the others 19:02:18 -!- ais523 has joined. 19:02:19 Habit 19:02:21 the font sizes are identical 19:02:36 Paranoia 19:02:39 I use txt logs 19:03:12 -!- oonbotti has joined. 19:03:32 elliott: no they're not 19:03:49 of course the .txt probably doesn't set any 19:04:14 they ar ethe same for me 19:04:15 *are the 19:04:44 Fear 19:05:31 Little shop of horrors is on 19:05:38 So bye 19:05:39 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:07:23 when i set the formatted page to use small font size, it becomes about the same character size as the .txt, but still with a lot bigger spacing 19:07:24 -!- boily has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 19:07:43 oerjan: i don't see any troll in the logs 19:07:45 elliott: any way i mean the troll starting with d and ending with ovregubben 19:07:49 what 19:07:53 why do you think they are a troll 19:08:37 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 19:08:41 elliott: try googling it 19:09:08 oh. 19:25:30 -!- john_metcalf has quit (Quit: john_metcalf). 19:30:32 Phantom__Hoover: Danger rooms are another example of the kind of pathological behaviour that victory dancing promotes, incidentally. 19:30:36 Victory dancing? 19:31:38 -!- Deewiant has joined. 19:34:57 the train-skill-by-using system 19:37:02 What does that have to do with victory? Or indeed dancing? 19:37:48 "victory dancing" is the art of repeatedly "dancing" a trivial victory to train a skill 19:37:58 for instance killing plants repeatedly to train a fighting skill 19:41:52 Anyway DRs are an example of the system being downright terribly-balanced, so that's hardly the whole of it. 19:55:57 -!- boily has joined. 19:57:59 Internet Scam Alert: Most "Kickstarter" Projects Just Useless Crap http://youtu.be/qqZ65pUQxyQ 20:14:52 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: bbl). 20:17:06 Oh, they found the Higgs. 20:17:45 no, they found a particle that might be like higgs 20:18:00 ... with high enough probability to publicly say that they might have found it 20:18:12 YOU AND YOUR 'SCIENCE' 20:19:03 when everyone else was busy going "ewwww, comic sans!" I was reading the text and learned everything 20:19:30 `addquote when everyone else was busy going "ewwww, comic sans!" I was reading the text and learned everything 20:19:38 847) when everyone else was busy going "ewwww, comic sans!" I was reading the text and learned everything 20:19:41 LET THAT BE A LESSON TO ALL 20:20:01 let that be printed in comic sans as a lesson to all 20:20:11 but then most won't learn it! 20:48:08 olsner, FWIW the particle is very like the Higgs, apparently. 20:49:16 the Wiggs particle 20:52:47 Rich Teas are the worst thing ever. 20:52:55 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]). 20:53:09 I mean a biscuit with 'tea' IN THE NAME that dissolves as soon as it even gets NEAR tea. 20:53:26 almost, but not entirely unlike tea. and the higgs boson. 20:54:31 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 20:55:04 -!- copumpkin has joined. 20:57:29 super biscuit? 20:58:17 Rich Teas are the worst thing ever. 20:58:19 Fuck this channel. 20:58:20 -!- elliott has left ("Leaving"). 20:58:48 CAN'T DEAL WITH THE HARD TRUTHS EH 20:59:57 he really _does_ have a low tolerance of boring subjects, doesn't he 21:01:07 Can we please keep this in the strictly humorous? 21:07:11 * oerjan strictly throws Phantom__Hoover into the hummus 21:08:57 A flea and a fly in a flue, were trapped and knew not what to do, 21:09:03 'Let us flee', said the fly, 'Let us fly', said the flea, so they flew through a flaw in the flue. 21:10:22 Fleas can't fly. 21:13:46 tragic facts 21:13:52 -!- elliott has joined. 21:13:52 20:59:57: he really _does_ have a low tolerance of boring subjects, doesn't he 21:13:59 It is not boring, Phantom__Hoover is just wrong and abominable scum. 21:14:00 That is all. 21:14:00 Die. 21:14:05 -!- elliott has left ("RICH TEA LYF"). 21:14:41 ah, it was something immensely important and british. sorry for the misunderstanding. 21:14:42 Might I ask you your opinions of digestives whilst you logread? 21:15:35 I love digestives, if you mean the crackers 21:15:48 he doesn't mean laxatives :-D 21:15:49 I probably mean the crackers. 21:15:52 but I pronounce it in Swedish, for hysterical raisins 21:16:16 vad digestiva dom är(o) 21:17:19 -!- oerjan has set topic: Individuals guilty of ruining this channel: itidus21 (ex officio), oerjan (ex cathedra), olsner (k ex), others (see /names) | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 21:17:28 k ex :D 21:17:42 k ex? 21:17:59 oerjan, must you *insist* on making the channel's topic a jab against one of its members? 21:18:03 * olsner proudly joins the channel ruining crew 21:18:25 Phantom__Hoover: no, i'm diluting by expansion 21:18:37 Who set the topic to start with? 21:19:47 i'll have to check 21:20:05 i like biscuits with cream filling 21:20:05 `pastelogs ruining this channel 21:20:38 No output. 21:20:41 `pastelogs ruining this channel 21:20:55 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.4438 21:21:28 * oerjan blames coppro 21:21:34 im not satisfied 21:21:47 but .. the log stands to reason 21:22:21 i'm sure it's more complicated story than tat 21:23:13 ah ok.. i see now 21:23:21 yeah coppro started it 21:24:58 it seemed reasonable in context 21:27:06 i just thought there was more to it 21:29:57 oerjan: 20 years from now you will miss the year 2012 21:31:26 the things we complain about now, will seem so great compared to what the future has in store 21:32:26 ...i think you are overdoing negativity now. 21:32:59 DON'T BLOODY MAKE UP MORE OF IT 21:33:28 req. iti be kicked for overbearing, pretentious cynicis, 21:33:31 *cynicism 21:33:38 tempting, tempting :P 21:34:12 Current projections show a continued increase in population (but a steady decline in the population growth rate), with the global population expected to reach between 7.5 and 10.5 billion by 2050 -- 7.5billion in 2050.. does this data tell me ANYTHING? 21:34:30 It tells you exactly what it fucking says. 21:35:21 it basically says that population is likely to not decrease, and not likely to increase more than 3 billion 21:35:36 Maybe if you'd actually try to think for once rather than exposit at length your inability to comprehend anything that isn't handed to you on a platter you could conclude something. 21:35:45 See, it's not that hard! 21:36:03 Keep it up and you might move beyond an effective mental age of 10. 21:36:06 i bet they actually spent money to reach that data 21:36:27 Of course they fucking spent money it's immensely valuable information would you please shut up for once in your life. 21:40:19 yay there is no a vlc version for android 21:40:49 still in beta 21:40:59 There's no a VLC version for Android?? 21:41:05 now* 21:41:06 typo 21:41:24 This is futile, that basically only makes sense to people who know something of Scottish slang. 21:41:33 Phantom__Hoover, XD 21:42:33 Phantom__Hoover, or who read any Discworld book with the Nac Mac Feegle in it. 21:42:43 I am still waiting my vlc for mac os 9 21:42:44 Maybe 21:42:51 *for my 21:42:54 nortti, are you seriously using OS9. 21:43:05 not OS9, mac os 9 21:43:20 I want a vlc version for System 7 21:43:24 and yes. but my ppc mac broke 21:43:44 vlc for system 6 and macminix 1.5 21:44:01 oh and the beta is currently only for ARMv7 CPUs with Neon (works for me!), though more variants are apparently coming soon 21:44:30 by the way does vlc work with minix 2? 21:44:46 ha ha 21:44:52 ? 21:45:29 Phantom__Hoover, I have an OS 9 laptop somewhere, not really using it unless I get nostalgic 21:45:39 -!- boily has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8). 21:45:45 for the old Spiderweb Software and Ambrosia games. 21:45:51 I thought he meant he had it on his dumpster machine. 21:45:56 Vorpal: have you heard of Classilla 21:45:58 oh right 21:46:11 Phantom__Hoover: my dumpster machine has x86 cpu 21:46:24 nortti, hey you could emulate OS 9 21:46:27 this laptop can do it 21:46:32 though it is very buggy 21:46:36 google sheepshaver 21:46:51 but not very fast and it would require me using X 21:47:33 it is buggy, doesn't work for all programs, requires mmap_min_addr=0 to run, and is rather messy to compile. Oh and getting hold of the source of it was hard too 21:47:38 since the project is basically dead 21:47:52 it works for emulating Avernum 1 and Avernum 2 though (sadly not Avernum 3 and later) 21:48:30 Mac OS 9 with irc client with name I cannot remember right now, Classilla, iCab 3.0.5 and Python 2.3 is actually pretty decent 21:48:43 emulating System 7 on 68k hardware is much more stable 21:48:50 basiliskII can do that 21:49:27 I can believe. I have emulated system 6 on mac classic before and it was pretty stable 21:49:43 anyway a core 2 Duo at 2.26 G is more than enough to emulate classic mac os. (System 7 boots in less than a second, OS 9 takes a few seconds, but most seem to be spent waiting for some network IO thingy or such) 21:50:06 yeah. I have 700MHz pentium III.... 21:50:22 nortti, no I meant emulating system 7 on 68k hardware, with the emulator running on x86 21:50:28 -!- edwardk has joined. 21:50:38 I haven't emulated system 7 on 68k, that would be silly 21:51:05 erm. I meant running sys6 on emulated mac classic on ppc mac 21:51:16 nortti, anyway BasiliskII (which is also a PITA to compile) might work on your CPU 21:51:39 no idea if sheepshaver will work 21:51:41 worth a try 21:52:14 Vorpal: did you know that you can actually use mini vmac on m68k macs and with it emulate sys7 m68k machine on sys7 m68k machine= 21:52:18 but setting it up is a an absolute PITA (and of course requires finding an OS 9 install cd image somewhere, wasn't terribly hard, there was a site that specialised in classic mac os abandonware) 21:52:21 (forgot the name of it) 21:52:42 macintosh garden? 21:52:46 ah yes 21:52:47 thats it 21:52:52 nortti, hm? I thought mini vmac only did up to system 6? 21:52:54 oh well 21:53:02 anyway the software I'm interested in is PPC 21:53:06 so sheepshaver it is for me 21:53:20 I have ran sys 7.0 under mini vMac 21:53:35 don't know about anything newer 21:53:40 I only wish I could get Escape Velocity or Escape Velocity Override working under emulation 21:53:44 those games were awesome 21:54:13 and of course, the avernum series is stellar 21:55:47 umh. basilishII fails x11 check 21:56:07 I do actually currently have x11 installed' 21:56:49 nortti, maybe not the development headers? 21:56:50 or such 21:56:59 x11 have a lot of different packages for that 21:57:10 if you mean configure failed? 21:57:14 config.log should help 21:57:15 yes 21:58:04 nortti, hm my ~/src/mac contains a debug build of libsdl. Yeah, it can be annoying to get working... XD 21:58:17 ... 21:58:33 nortti, that was for sheepshaver though 21:58:41 oh looks like I checked SheepShaver out from CVS? 21:59:13 nortti, if you are interested in SheepSaver this might be useful: :pserver:anoncvs@cvs.cebix.net:/home/cvs/cebix 21:59:22 repo is "SheepShaver" 21:59:27 when my iBook g4 still worked I had pretty much built complete netbsd system under ~/src 21:59:54 nortti, g4? That thing was way more powerful than your current computer 22:00:05 yes. is broke 22:00:08 I have a first model ibook g3 22:00:14 dead battery 22:00:22 the colored ones 22:00:22 oh and the power connector is glitchy 22:00:27 yes, blue 22:00:38 so you better sit very still when using that computer 22:00:39 how much RAM? what OS? 22:01:15 ok. let me quess. it has Mac OS 9? 22:01:17 nortti, OS 9 (came with OS 8.6 iirc, but my dad got an imac SE at the same time, that came with an OS 9 disc, so I used that to upgrade) 22:01:41 as for RAM, 32 MB built in, 32 MB added 22:01:47 so a whopping total of 64 MB! 22:02:07 same amount of ram as I now have 22:02:21 300 MHz 22:02:25 3.2 GB disk space 22:02:43 nortti, which desktop environment do you use? 22:02:45 LXDE? 22:02:55 or just a simple window manager? 22:02:58 like twm 22:03:05 I don't use x11. I use links2 -g amd mplayer fbdev 22:03:13 *and 22:04:12 nortti, you need x11 for basiliskII though 22:04:15 and sheepshaver 22:04:22 anyway sheepshaver is going to strain your RAM 22:04:24 yes. I have it installed 22:04:26 your CPU is probably fine 22:05:06 I sometimes have to use x11 (hv3, netsurf, pygame) and then I either use wwm or mwm 22:05:31 pygame? 22:05:34 isn't that a library 22:05:47 i've got pygame. 22:06:10 yes. pygame uses sdl and requires x11 22:06:12 the trick is to get the right version.. python 2.6.6 is recommended 22:06:26 by someone O.o 22:06:32