< 1341101005 652521 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty cool http://www.digitalmzx.net/wiki/images/1/18/Sm4mzx_gameplay.png < 1341101073 65558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\itexplode < 1341101183 431622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one MegaZeux game. < 1341101220 3048 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the animation of gameplay it does not explain the game well, though. < 1341101248 557740 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's good when you can't infer much from a screenshot < 1341101266 899369 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\itexplode, what is up with that nick? < 1341101336 92388 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1341101338 636496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this game? http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/mzx1/ASCMZXTO/screen.png < 1341101380 521772 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the greatest computer game ever to exist < 1341101432 134190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? < 1341101497 245226 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1341101499 62185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you like this MegaZeux game? http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/mzx1/potionconf/potion_of_confusing.zip (Incomplete; you also need MegaZeux to run this game) < 1341101568 768487 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have long ago abandoned enjoying fiction < 1341101628 135144 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what the trick is to enjoying fiction < 1341101718 341913 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was younger i used to believe that it was imbued with wisdom in some way < 1341101730 961677 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i could get something out of it < 1341101820 819555 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i could just enjoy it in and of itself < 1341102127 139458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, most fiction has nothing to do with wisdom (sure there are cases where there they are related) < 1341102133 311786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just for enjoyment < 1341102145 440355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I guess you don't enjoy computer games or movies either then? < 1341102163 708071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor fictional books < 1341102171 727230 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as much as i once did < 1341102190 171440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, everyone is different < 1341102193 301079 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comics i still dig! < 1341102226 75063 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can like them.. < 1341102231 116713 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not today < 1341102242 634213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :comics? Never been into that < 1341102258 498016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, anyway that is equally fiction < 1341102266 905433 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1341102271 280304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer game involve things other than just fictional story < 1341102297 609329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some may not even involve story at all; or a story will be added on afterward and is not really a part of the game) < 1341102301 923099 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im feeling too sleepy to make sense.. but well i had enouhg sleep < 1341102307 544462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, yes... but a story is an important part of a lot of computer games (except for really simple ones like, say, tetris or minesweeper). < 1341102339 641118 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just blabbering. < 1341102347 345926 :ais523\itexplode!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1341102354 397069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the games I tend to play are heavily story-oriented, or at least features a story as an important part < 1341102446 301523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good story oriented computer games include text adventure games are good game < 1341102464 298990 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verisimilitude < 1341102490 914157 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1341102537 152962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, did you just say that? < 1341102546 658786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1341102551 197458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to parse it < 1341102658 785996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text adventure games can resemble a role-playing game but by computer and single-player, and of course the computer does not understand everything you are trying to do < 1341102679 748614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPGs can be single player < 1341102704 992651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes they can be; they can even be no-player; but that is not what is relevant < 1341102816 739686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, where was your web server now again? < 1341102827 157764 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my computer! < 1341102837 813613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I mean URL < 1341102878 118905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/ but there is nothing there; you need the filename < 1341102899 27 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1341102919 87655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already posted the filenames above, though < 1341102931 121257 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it just has a link to gopher that I can't open < 1341102943 33792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know, like I said you need the filename < 1341102951 631009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1341102960 348902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I need to sleep < 1341102961 638800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1341103166 826363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Dungeons&Dragons game I have figured out a plan to continue (I need the chancellor's autograph); I figured out, I now need a wig and I need to cut off his beard and moustache, etc. And take his belongings and destroy them (unless it is money, in which case I can exchange them for gold and give the gold coins to the king). < 1341103192 151473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I might need a Time Hop spell of a greater duration than normal. < 1341103372 742871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps if he refuses to give me his autograph, I can find his signature in the royal documents and if I find one describing a bad law that he is trying to pass, I can steal that document. < 1341103491 137684 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1341103499 58893 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel a bit better < 1341103501 972608 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1341103527 750023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to kill the demon I think I will need to do many other things first, including trick the chancellor, kill the chancellor, not letanyone know he is dead, and many political issues, especially since he did many bad things and stole the king (so we need to find the king too), and then need help from a beholder and from forcing the demon to chase us around the world. < 1341103533 737805 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i still like fiction < 1341103541 501996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have some of the tools I need, such as astrolabe and shovel. < 1341103689 363592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chancellor is bald, therefore I will need a wig. < 1341103703 907580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And something to force it to stay on his head. < 1341103751 855902 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the castle will be restored to its rightful king (whom I have never seen, so this might be difficult). < 1341104093 622917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The royal wizard is also helping and he also hates the chancellor like I have also realized he was doing bad things, after using a disguise to go into the king's chamber I could find out more information and now I can confirm the chancellor is on the same team as the demon and they do evil jobs for each other. < 1341104134 246026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, even though the royal wizard would also want the chancellor dead, I think it is best that he does not know yet; I think it is even best that even I do not know yet, therefore I can cast Modify Memory on myself. < 1341104191 606223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I found in the king's bed was a dummy. < 1341104238 4013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I got my flag shirt! < 1341104245 567323 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i got megazeux and tried the super mario demo. pretty cool that they did all that in textmode < 1341104288 987219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is. Did you try the Caverns of Zeux, Forest of Zeux, etc? Did you try my MegaZeux games (I linked two of them)? < 1341104410 699015 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing about it is, i have an obsession with super mario bros. < 1341104466 934517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once made up a Action Replay cheat code for Super Mario Land to turn off the music but keep the sound effect on. < 1341104540 809890 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. s/^... /i have an interest in super mario bros./ < 1341104580 638552 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that substitution doesn't make sense < 1341104591 937125 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya.. < 1341104606 289650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played Super Mario Bros too I wanted to make it invisible Mario to make the game more difficult, I managed to do so < 1341104627 674740 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean to say < 1341104650 85411 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. s/i have an obsession with super mario bros/i have an interest in super mario bros/ < 1341104672 154585 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 reminds me of the kinds of things truely obsessed people do < 1341105340 868369 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean in other words.. i have done nothing to truely represent an obsession with it < 1341105349 886063 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent devoted real time and energy < 1341105404 273068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to play the computer games that I made up, see if you can understand it < 1341105686 83446 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the term computer games because the computer is really the singular element distinguishing them from other games < 1341105736 209173 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :board games and card games can be exactly the same regardless of whether they're played on a computer for example < 1341105762 93348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, mostly < 1341105783 604917 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there exists sound-only games designed with the blind in mind < 1341105831 660130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes there are some < 1341105866 782887 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some interactive fiction is like choose your own adventure books and the like doesn't require a computer < 1341106264 105585 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341107339 294838 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1341108229 365634 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341108497 489857 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341108801 204521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: O, you are on this channel too now? < 1341108816 389429 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wander back after a while and everyone thinks its strange ;) < 1341108827 663799 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to lurk in here more regularly < 1341108840 375050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. Well, I suppose either I did not notice or I forgot. < 1341108842 779726 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to? how long ago was that? < 1341108850 43638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is not a problem nevertheless. < 1341108860 656133 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall seeing you here before yesterday :) < 1341108865 265978 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :no worries. =) I stalked kmc in. ;) < 1341108883 276468 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i chattered with you and oklopol and some of the others a few years ago < 1341108895 970012 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :he had some silly language < 1341108929 160366 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that time, that was a while before I started coming here regularly < 1341108930 753963 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we talked about kata, so it was probably ~4 years back < 1341108937 790057 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341108956 261902 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was when everyone was inventing a silly human language < 1341108966 632686 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds about right < 1341109025 98517 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly wandered away because i switched irc clients and forgot to add this one back to the list of what i log into < 1341109034 79607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the class codensity monad of a commutative idempotent monoid form a set? < 1341109056 411170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: What IRC client did you used to use and what you switched to? < 1341109058 197679 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmm good question, seems like it would < 1341109059 495079 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :code density monad < 1341109082 184531 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341109115 483556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The class density comonad of a copeanoid (my Copeanoid class) is a non-empty list comonad even with the same meanings of duplicate and extract. < 1341109120 176485 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i used to use pidgin, then adium, then xchat, now i use textual < 1341109131 473424 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sounds about right < 1341109147 867177 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get the non-empty list monad just by using Free Semigroup < 1341109152 174908 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if reddit also got hit by the leap second bug < 1341109162 485760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: And yes I did realize that too! < 1341109163 196931 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341109203 586644 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Maybe as Free Default, if you use class Algebra f r where phi :: f r -> r then Free (Algebra f) is just the free monad over the f functor < 1341109249 436819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You used four kind of IRC clients? I just wrote an IRC client and before I used this, I used telnet to connect to IRC, which does not work so well. < 1341109276 716819 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this was recently. before that i used others. i think i first used ircii < 1341109281 704093 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, using telnet for IRC, that's hardcore < 1341109297 524213 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to use bitchx way back when as well < 1341109308 804407 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, I should not be surprised that the world's last gopher user would also try that :) < 1341109309 907596 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its hard to take any project with a name like that seriously < 1341109314 263518 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1341109328 66421 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember gopher. not fondly, but i remember it. =) < 1341109345 179163 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty much my first exposure to the internet at large coming out of the bbs world < 1341109349 23668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I use PHIRC which unlike using telnet, allows you to backspace, does syntax highlighting, support macros, hides the password, and auto-pong and so on too < 1341109373 943249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: Gopher and BBS are still used somewhat (and I am not the only one). < 1341109374 665993 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and i guess i still use colloquy when i want to irc from the ipad < 1341109402 722615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: kmc will be gone for two weeks soon, I hear! < 1341109405 359730 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be overly obsessed with the detroit area bbs scene < 1341109409 859399 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ack < 1341109427 543413 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :er both ACKnowledged and, "ack!" < 1341109476 732465 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1341109483 50707 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :An IRC client with syntax highlighting? < 1341109483 536166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBS systems today are commonly Synchronet and are accessed by internet rather than telephone. Usually telnet is used, however Synchronet also supports rlogin, SSH, NNTP, SMTP, HTTP (including server-side JavaScript), gopher, FTP, and IRC. < 1341109517 98682 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually wrote a FOSSIL driver around 92 or so that was used to move the regional fidonet hub onto the internet for mail exchange < 1341109518 542342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Yes. Sender is cyan, command is bright white, short parameters are white, long parameters are bright blue (the colon in front is normal white, though). < 1341109580 994255 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to run bbs's off of OS/2 and DESQview. sheesh, i'd forgotten about DESQview < 1341109598 408551 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and of course DOS) < 1341109691 128793 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a bbs software like TAG called 'psychosys', and a bunch of door games that were used by a lot of ISPs in the area - yes, i was a kid, and it sounded edgy. < 1341109716 633427 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :er s/ISPs/BBSs/ < 1341109722 898115 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen a BBS once < 1341109734 834534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you still have any of those door games, and are they compatible with Synchronet? < 1341109769 315725 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might have the source to one or two of them, but keep in mind these are DOS BBS doors, written in turbo pascal probably 5.0, 5.5 or 6.0 < 1341109769 513036 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341109776 864152 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341109786 152096 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they are designed to talk to an old dos era fossil driver < 1341109807 373340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION complains vaguely about ptrace. < 1341109809 983010 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a door game about going from room to room via doors? < 1341109820 455874 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: what's a "door" in this context? < 1341109823 543626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synchronet does support DOS programs and does support FOSSIL as well, and possibly the source codes could be adjusted a bit to compile for a free compiler. < 1341109853 711127 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no, door games were where you'd step out of the bbs and into a separate application that would take over the connection and play, the BBS would basically terminate but stay resident, the door would take up the rest of the memory and start running < 1341109861 528486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still play BBS door games, and access FidoNet and stuff, today, on X-BIT. Telnet to x-bit.org port 23 you need an account < 1341109877 270390 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then when they came back in from the door the BBS would take back over interaction < 1341109913 569272 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :the door protocol was also how the mail loader that would deal with most fidonet era BBSs would launch the mail exchanger. < 1341109940 795948 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd pick up the line, check to see if it was another bbs calling that wanted to toss mail, then dump into that mode before hanging up, or it'd go to the usual bbs startup < 1341109959 656366 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBS_door < 1341109964 193432 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some modern door games are written in server-side JavaScript (which Synchronet supports). < 1341109989 603188 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm going to write a door in javascript i might as well just run it in the browser ;) < 1341109990 927966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That toss mail stuff still works today using QWK. < 1341110008 663251 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh. < 1341110019 684309 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to work with paul williams from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAG_(BBS) < 1341110020 561614 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought syntax highlighting for code. < 1341110038 221101 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and knew a number of the telegard guys as well < 1341110069 503290 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly by dint of being an obnoxious obsessive kid who would chat with anyone ;) < 1341110110 8707 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if everyone built their BBS:es on z/VM, I guess doors would be done as virtual machines < 1341110132 91886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There still are many Synchronet BBSes today and many of the modern games are written in JavaScript, although to the client it is the same as if it were a DOS program or native program. < 1341110209 254896 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly none of the ones out of michigan descend from the horst mann bbs list era ;) < 1341110215 108684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One game I like best is Word Warp, which I still play today. Scores are kept per month. < 1341110273 821667 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bbslist.textfiles.com/313/ has a lot of the wrong names for sysops, etc. odd < 1341110283 984633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: Well, yes, they are new ones since they are by internet instead of telephone, and as far as I know the only software that existed in those days for telephone BBS and now works with internet BBS is Synchronet. So if they have a Synchronet BBS, it is possible for it to still exist today on the internet. < 1341110341 78703 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found an old 5 1/4" floppy from that era with some of my old pascal source code on it < 1341110349 145068 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't have anything to read it with =( < 1341110409 141810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will tell you what I have used for that purpose: I used a compiler with 5 1/4" floppy drive and connect it to a laptop computer by serial port. < 1341110415 540278 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should have a little populous style over-world 320x200 game engine for rendering the overland map from my mud, a little novalogic "voxel" style cave exploration engine, etc < 1341110490 403449 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mom mentioned she found some of my even older 5 1/4" floppies from when i used CP/M =/ < 1341110497 78927 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :those will be even more awkward to read < 1341110523 245264 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly just used to boot into it from the commodore 128 < 1341110537 946402 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wound up moving to the PC because of turbo pascal. it gave me a migration path ;) < 1341110557 80861 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tp 3.0 or so had both CP/M and DOS versions) < 1341110571 656533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes write computer game programs in QBASIC. < 1341110586 260666 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not that masochistic ;) < 1341110607 286939 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1341110620 309660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of these program in public domain < 1341110633 782548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including source-codes. < 1341110642 703272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can show it to you if you want to. < 1341110682 407810 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote my disassembler on a lark when i was 8 or so when i lied and told a kid i'd written one and had to make good, and after i wrote the little assembly monitor i used to enter code, the only time i ever bothered with basic on the c64 was when forced. < 1341110705 939721 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :quickbasic programs? no thanks =) < 1341110742 843149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people have said these are good game < 1341110781 655791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: Also, can you show me how you can make free monad over the functor by class Algebra f r where phi :: f r -> r < 1341110811 164706 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :its in ralf hinze's article < 1341110814 242160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And what it has to do with algebra) < 1341110824 261884 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is an f-algebra < 1341110833 616636 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-algebra < 1341110853 856237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1341110873 60838 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so make an instance of Algebra for say, instance Algebra f (Mu f) where phi = In < 1341110930 889630 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :or instance Algebra f (TheOtherFree f a) were phi = TheOtherFree < 1341110944 336165 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using TheOtherFree for the constructor of the more traditonal free monad) < 1341110958 318782 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Algebra f (Free (Algebra f)) < 1341110960 284027 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :also works < 1341110976 338124 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of those are fun to construct < 1341110988 434455 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Quitting... < 1341111026 967005 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :do make the cofree comonad you need f-coalgebras < 1341111039 697945 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Coalgebra f a where psi :: a -> f a < 1341111059 896573 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :phi and psi are traditional, but not necessary names < 1341111091 736415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought what you called phi there seems what is called alpha in the Wikipedia article? Or am I doing something wrong? < 1341111102 942871 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1341111151 534873 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may find http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.41.125 useful in understanding them < 1341111194 392223 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :my old catamorphism knol uses them, http://comonad.com/haskell/catamorphisms.html < 1341111257 65238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have access to CiteseerX < 1341111345 496884 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/emeijer/Papers/fpca91.pdf < 1341111394 330133 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually theres a .ps link on the site itself < 1341111418 143219 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's apparently a free article < 1341111540 830999 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind i'll stay out of it < 1341112401 724684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the isomorphism between these free monads? < 1341113576 929590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me if you have any suggestion relating to ITMCK then I may add it in if I think it is a good idea. < 1341113646 56146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some features I wanted to add on, I may do so in later version but not in first version. < 1341113766 545482 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you like music? < 1341113781 839193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I like many kind of music not all < 1341113799 297835 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why but I have never had much interest in audio < 1341113832 612371 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like how children (probably) don't have any interest in politics < 1341113852 892329 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is cognitive dissonance < 1341113899 30483 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't whistle, i can't play any instruments, i've never created a song < 1341113921 221815 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1341113922 315988 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1341113984 56380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can play piano < 1341114443 835060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have even made up music with Bohlen-Pierce too. < 1341114575 370963 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a badperson < 1341114581 727150 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wait < 1341114586 664647 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :who invitied edwardk in here? < 1341114589 186873 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is ruined < 1341114604 933790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: edwardk sometimes come in here I do not think that makes the channel ruined < 1341114617 147023 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it was sarcasm :) < 1341114775 853315 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: if you are a badperson, maybe it was you who ruined the channel? < 1341114814 852434 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: possible < 1341114863 932234 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im confident that i destroy every social system i am a part of < 1341114942 452559 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca TOPIC #esoteric :Individuals guilty of ruining this channel: coppro, edwardk, itidus21 (ex officio), dbelange | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1341114950 422463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have any complaint against ITMCK you can file the complaint in here: https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/itmck < 1341115050 759505 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ITMCK < 1341115070 992930 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is program to write Impulse Tracker files. < 1341115080 667036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what it is. < 1341115163 982557 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think it is cheating to use a non-standard memory mapper for NES/Famicom homebrew? < 1341115186 15877 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-93.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341115211 131308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Almost. < 1341115252 484248 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many ambitions I have in life. One of them is to make a NES/Famicom rom. < 1341115261 538310 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow... i just had idea < 1341115322 683036 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i cared about brainfuck, i could add to my list of ambitions the ambition of creating a NES rom brainfuck interpreter < 1341115353 909902 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh its been done < 1341115357 849262 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-137-78.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1341115361 857232 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1341115381 704919 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pdroms.de/files/nintendoentertainmentsystem/khs-nes-brainfuck < 1341115412 806865 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another ambition completed vicariously < 1341115505 961830 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: of course it has been done :) < 1341115552 823714 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i bet there isn't a dvd where you can code brainfuck from the remote control yet < 1341115568 869688 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again not sure if a dvd can do that < 1341115572 765578 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure DVD is turing complete at all < 1341115587 71716 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bluray can, but the tools for it are all proprietary and yucky < 1341115596 545424 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.... < 1341115619 693202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least DVD does have more buttons, you can use all the numbers 1 to 99, I think. < 1341115630 664562 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read today about some choose your own adventure dvd on wikipedia.. and of course they filed a patent! < 1341115665 610853 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes its a stupid idea to do < 1341116002 597105 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Lully I admire this man < 1341116011 371406 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he died due to complications arising from a conducting injury < 1341116018 161954 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :conducting being the musical thing < 1341116038 299979 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd: died in a conducting accident < 1341116050 313021 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, esolangs are useful for the same reasons as psychedelics < 1341116072 531781 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: How does that even *happen*? < 1341116149 664061 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was beating time by banging a long staff (a precursor to the bâton) against the floor, as was the common practice at the time, when he struck his toe, creating an abscess. The wound turned gangrenous, but Lully refused to have his toe amputated and the gangrene spread, resulting in his death on 22 March. < 1341116848 899139 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1341118987 549373 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1341119322 404260 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341119344 174965 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1341121144 364922 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :eigenpumpkin < 1341122478 645516 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341122494 703193 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1341122706 107166 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDoze < 1341123712 493241 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1341123858 561729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a list of fake character of Super Smash Brothers, including: Prof.Oak, Imakuni?, Kaiji, Kjugobe, Miyamoto, Urza, TV repair man. < 1341123866 385659 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1341123929 454752 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh i have a mockup to show you < 1341123933 448418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are seven columns on a sheet of paper. The rows are: (up)XY, (left/right), (down), A, A(up), A(left/right), A(down), B, B(up), B(left/right), B(down), C(up), C(left/right), C(down), Z, LR, D(up), D(left/right), D(down), FINAL. < 1341123946 822765 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1341123968 496144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did not actually write (up) and stuff like that; I wrote the arrows.) < 1341124117 877306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Miyamoto's FINAL is to break the game and it won't work anymore until you push RESET (so the match ends with no winner, and if it is tournament mode, you also have to start the tournament all over again). < 1341124179 101155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imakuni?'s D(down) changes the music to the Imakuni?'s card music. < 1341124233 530610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it deals damage if and only if the Imakuni?'s card music is the normal music for that stage. < 1341124283 250330 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaiji's B(up) allows you to walk up the glass staircase that nobody else ever noticed was there. < 1341124426 686557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are your opinions for this kind of things? < 1341124456 745910 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/Anw0L.png < 1341124478 303829 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :took a while to find this in my firefox history < 1341124484 561510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it say Carmack twice? < 1341124493 458182 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :john and adrian :D < 1341124501 128471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1341124557 43646 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that tom hall and john carmack are depicted as female is, partially because thats just how the screenshot was < 1341124583 398180 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the enemy they're facing is a doomgaze < 1341124586 232517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't paying attention to that < 1341124631 381210 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, overall, i like the idea that a game dev team is a party made up of people with different specializations < 1341124651 444804 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, monqy: Homestuck is on hiatuses for a while: http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/26260841147/hiatustuck . Note that I may not have announced the most recent update, etc. < 1341124664 533122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some game is made by just one guy < 1341124743 317246 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, taking a look now at what you said.. oak is the guy from pokemon, miyamoto is a man whose precise work is unknown but mario is attriubted to him < 1341124777 40246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1341124786 935114 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :urza sounds like bear for some reason < 1341124798 983115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you are thinking of the Latin "ursa" < 1341124829 835503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in "Ursa Major" (the Great Bear) and "Ursa Minor" (the Small Bear)) < 1341124836 250727 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1341124850 213151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urza is from Magic: the Gathering cards < 1341124869 201081 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urza would be too strong < 1341124902 804522 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Have you read the artifact cycle? < 1341124928 824895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What is that? < 1341124941 201023 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a book series < 1341124948 197053 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :featuring urza < 1341124954 496012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not read any of those books. < 1341124959 795235 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341124966 195003 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :those ones are actually quite good < 1341125055 427375 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I particularly enjoyed The Thran < 1341125063 704951 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Planeswalker < 1341125066 207949 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it sounds not too remote from the sort of thing i would enjoy making. but ive only played smash bros once.. my brother and i looked on helplessly as the cpu kicked our ass < 1341125067 465804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have not read them. My interest in Magic: the Gathering is how the rules interact with each other (I think this is called "Melvin") < 1341125115 534453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I have play the game against my brother and the computer players and I sometimes win but usually he wins. < 1341125159 891233 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't play games together much.. not since SNES really < 1341125174 757071 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i had a few fun sessions playing a game called bleach: shattered blade < 1341125243 536747 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was really intensive cos you have to shake the wiimote to charge up some special move < 1341125287 378128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I played with the GameCube controllers so did not have to do such things like that < 1341125302 275682 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case it was part of the fun though < 1341125326 331328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course, if that is a part of the game, then yes it is. < 1341125341 723635 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to play this game, it was a matter of physical stamina < 1341125436 156581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does MegaZeux converts .GDM to .S3M but OpenMPT converts .GDM to .MOD instead? Do either of these works better in either case? < 1341125555 530154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I think originally they wanted Miyamoto's final attack to crack the disc so you have to purchase a new one, but I changed it. < 1341125720 698030 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds right < 1341125734 76359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least this is what my brother told me) < 1341125777 57384 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh you both designed this? < 1341125784 626265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1341126055 144468 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game publishers don’t like the second-hand game market because it eats into revenues. Capcom is planning to counter that by releasing a game for the Nintendo 3DS that can only support one save file - for life. < 1341126064 636765 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game is Resident Evil: Mercenaries 3D and according to the game’s instruction manual, the ”saved data on this software cannot be reset.” < 1341126107 770055 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1341126153 535198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is stupid. Well, I have a program to backup and restore save data on DS game cards, but I do not know if it will work with the 3DS cards < 1341126336 80090 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another news is that DLC is planned for an upcoming super mario game < 1341126394 994100 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet another idiot move was final fantasy xiii-2 apparently has a DLC ending < 1341126399 541279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@seen kmc < 1341126400 108957 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1341126410 603354 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1341126430 718330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I got my flag shirt! < 1341126436 211387 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1341126436 362367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I said that before. < 1341126455 59546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I asked about the next CTF on your behalf. < 1341126460 983346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably be in August. < 1341126464 438033 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1341126466 495119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own designs are opposite to theirs: The game disc has no copy protection and includes all the files on the disc which are needed to make the box art and instruction book and inventory data and so on, so if the store runs out of stock they can make their own copy; the customer can do the same if they lost the box or instructions, or the disc cracked and they want a backup copy, etc < 1341126474 943200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably be more web-oriented. < 1341126482 22646 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! < 1341126542 202457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a bug in std.file.read() in D. < 1341126547 654222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn't very confidence-inspiring. < 1341126553 141167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a "flag shirt"? < 1341126553 525313 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of bug? < 1341126561 302189 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it be used to take control of the computer? < 1341126571 270844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets the buffering wrong and gives you a bunch of 0s instead of the end of the file you asked for. < 1341126586 413674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oopse :'(" < 1341126609 400467 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1341126619 479632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :With normal files it stat()s them first and allocates a reasonably-large buffer. < 1341126629 66966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with /proc files it can't do that, and you get a bunch of NULs. < 1341126660 497023 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1341126675 724731 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it actually null, or uninitialized data? < 1341126704 386338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably uninitialized data. < 1341126710 79867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This system may cut into revenues but it also costs us less to implement than the other way, and the store can potentially sell a lot more copies since they can make their own copy if they run out of stock. < 1341126711 229192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's whatever it gets from realloc(). < 1341126728 857882 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how did you come to be playing with D's std.file.read()? < 1341126746 879245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, something like half of the suid programs on my system segfault when you exec them with argc==0. < 1341126752 938361 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341126773 275249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of using D for various ptrace things. < 1341126798 978012 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1341126881 264704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the "Famicom-MIDI" format? < 1341126895 7280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What's a "flag shirt"? [Some day I'll learn to add that "nick:" thing the first time.] < 1341126901 368284 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not awfully familiar with the various music formats available < 1341126930 238291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's a shirt with a picture of a flag on it. < 1341126930 632020 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume Famicom-MIDI is designed for the NES? < 1341126933 45252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Famicom-MIDI is not a music format, it is a specification for use of MIDI like General-MIDI is a specification for use of MIDI. < 1341126947 59355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc has one, and today I went and got one too. < 1341126949 249809 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1341126970 569823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes it is for NES but mostly emulators, and can be used with GameBoy and stuff too. < 1341126973 252493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh, I thought a shirt made out of a flag or something. (I guess that's sort of close.) < 1341127005 63163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be a shirt with a picture of a shirt made out of a flag on it. < 1341127038 606635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It would probably be difficult to make it work on a real GameBoy without modifying the hardware, although channels 0-3 could be made to work on a real NES; channels 8 and 9 would also require modification of the hardware. Emulators can support it more easily, though.) < 1341127042 381439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Writing a program that prints out the contents of /proc/foo/maps is weird. < 1341127052 657179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I constantly feel like my program just crashed. < 1341127087 483457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the current draft of Famicom-MIDI document: http://nesdev.parodius.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=9058 < 1341127129 669373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sent me a T-shirt (the cheapest-looking one I've ever seen) for doing that stripe.com "CTF" get-the-password kind of thing a while ago, something like that was my alternative guess. < 1341127147 463027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's the one I got. < 1341127151 518747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was at the Stripe office today. < 1341127162 389780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did the CTF but they never sent me the shirt. < 1341127201 934430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. (I was kind of surprised they bothered to mail one all the way to Finland.) < 1341127210 204309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One potential use is to play back tool assisted speedruns that are created on computer, to the actual NES, by connecting through a MIDI sequencer to the device that translates the signals and connects to the controller port. < 1341127462 541576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Channel 8 could be used to record the audio data directly, which can then be played back in any emulator supporting Famicom-MIDI (even one that is not capable of recording audio in this way). < 1341127622 940943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you understand the Famicom-MIDI now? < 1341127713 623353 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1341127725 684227 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, but honestly? I don't really care < 1341127737 67270 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been playing Dwarf Fortress, and I've found a perfect site < 1341127768 704052 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got magnetite, haematite, limestone, bituminous coal, and native silver. < 1341127774 117687 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also heavily forested < 1341127778 499045 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downsides: alligators < 1341127979 300234 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it has gold < 1341128141 687396 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: actually the technical side of it is probably the easy part for smart people. but the greater question of what you are trying to achieve overall is an exciting mystery < 1341128219 512838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you not understand about trying to achieve overall? < 1341128237 883709 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I explained that too. < 1341128251 676384 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you're almost reminding me of ELIZA < 1341128296 150045 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a midi player? is it a library to enable some given NES software to include midi music? < 1341128415 796987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: No! It doesn't have anything more to do with music than MIDI show control has to do with music. < 1341128481 737221 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mentioned something about controller port.. is there some midi device which can conveniently plug into controller port? < 1341128531 233522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have to make up such a device, and it would have to support synchro-start < 1341128754 849003 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341128801 671012 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning, PH < 1341128912 128315 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it about using midi to encode video-game related data? < 1341129248 871751 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i am breaking rule #1 which is never question the motives of an engineer < 1341129435 803737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: That is kind of the purpose, yes. For example, to record the controller inputs for playback later, either by file or by external MIDI devices. You may also be able to edit them using certain MIDI programs. < 1341129489 531191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I disagree with rule #1 anyways since to learn something you have to question the motives of an engineer. And then you have to get an answer. < 1341130748 214003 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1341130833 922340 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1341131622 943512 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1341131709 312904 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1341131747 417260 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1341132503 860678 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341133146 289324 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341133422 366618 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89252.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341134024 97662 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1341134995 927936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1341135060 700017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ex officio, that means it's his job, right? < 1341136162 564329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:44 how do I convert [IO a] to (IO [a])? < 1341136170 934190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ended more cheerfully than I had feared. < 1341136176 976774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sequence < 1341136178 419563 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => [m a] -> m [a] < 1341136246 197088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1341136517 261009 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1341140622 738636 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.99 ^ 100 < 1341140624 149397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.3660323412732289 < 1341140663 225735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp (-1) < 1341140664 694734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.36787944117144233 < 1341140699 662461 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I never realised e crops up there. < 1341140749 275646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's how i first saw e derived, way back < 1341140750 570059 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probability of an event with probability 1/n not occurring on any of n occasions.) < 1341140771 333453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, continuously compounded interest < 1341140799 684182 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the STEP II problems this year was deriving that representation. < 1341140881 199403 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89252.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341140908 773743 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89252.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341140925 208651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lim {n -> infty} (1 + k/n)^n = e^k < 1341140996 153213 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1341141166 562939 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89252.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1341141310 841164 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1341141530 553326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1341141947 703873 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PART :#esoteric < 1341142794 868038 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341143408 366 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341144226 733153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking at the ID3 spec to figure out why my phone only seems to notice the embedded cover art for some of the albums... That spec is a mess... Also the image type enumeration includes "$11 A bright coloured fish"... What? < 1341144285 477692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you saying bright coloured fish *shouldn't* be allowed in images? < 1341144296 551701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you some kind of racistagainstfishperson? < 1341144332 353772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I'm questioning that it is a special type, the other types includes things such as "Cover (front)" "Cover (back)" and file icons < 1341144344 79127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A bright coloured fish" doesn't make sense there < 1341144359 146943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fishracist! < 1341144380 474045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1341144437 386180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the spec in general is a mess. It is incredibly unclear on various points, explains things in the wrong order (and doesn't provide any sort of cross references for such situations) and so on < 1341144459 780272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it has lots of features that no one uses apparently < 1341144466 787445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think I mentioned the fish on #esoteric. < 1341144474 848356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not recently I presume? < 1341144503 655881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, some years ago. < 1341144519 200632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIF has a bunch of features no one uses. < 1341144528 423788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it could've been some other channel altogether.) < 1341144541 666618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hm, this album which works on the phone doesn't show up has having cover art in the computer program I'm using for tagging (but it works in vlc!) < 1341144563 511199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet some albums work in all programs, and some only on the computer < 1341144579 194674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :vlc seems to manage everything though, can't embed cover art from it I think < 1341144619 327561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is quite a mess, I agree about that. < 1341144645 301053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... this album works on the phone when playing a song from it (it displays the cover art) but the cover art doesn't show up in the album listing < 1341144649 31070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1341144661 560564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :caching issues? < 1341144775 342930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did figure out one thing though, and that is that it can't do cover art in ogg, but that was like the only consistent behaviour about it < 1341145110 464750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only files that I have cover art on the phone are I think the four really random songs that had for some reason been preloaded onto it. < 1341145118 391862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341145132 979258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bastion sound track is the crazy one that works perfectly except in the tagger software < 1341145164 439832 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the thing with cover art showing up in some places was a caching issue < 1341145173 703391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :killing the music player program and starting it again worked < 1341145230 742266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I just have Ogg Vorbis left... And cover art for that doesn't work at all on the phone < 1341145298 943173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from googling... what the tagger does isn't an official standard, just a common convention, since there is no official way to embed cover art in ogg vorbis... < 1341145300 364684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1341145483 264945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait the tagger uses a deprecated variant. Maybe that is the issue < 1341145491 493846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I need to find a program that does it properly < 1341146369 835777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol... vlc doesn't handle the recommended format, but the phone does < 1341146372 720079 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for ogg) < 1341146373 739500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^ < 1341146376 645957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a utter mess < 1341147574 935493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :an* < 1341147862 920783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay I needed to update vlc < 1341148430 503428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder whether that new Linux Skype 4 is worth upgrading to. The Utnubu on the laptop didn't seem to package it yet. < 1341149061 910917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, isn't skype rather bad from what I heard? < 1341149073 254635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from what I heard it is getting worse over time < 1341149374 28050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what kind of "bad" that means. I mean, ethical and philosophical vs. technical issues. The old Linux client (version numbers 2.x) has been usable but not so good; I don't know about this new version 4. (The Windows and OS X versions are in 5.x or something, but I don't think they share much code.) < 1341149479 10389 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I recall, skype on linux is bad in all ways < 1341149601 542536 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was years ago < 1341149832 926032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They haven't really made any significant improvement in the 2.x series. < 1341149860 755876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The official blog post about Skype 4 for Linux says it's good, but they would in any case, wouldn't they? < 1341149949 465608 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they would < 1341150002 260332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They list "much lower chance Skype for Linux will crash or freeze" as one of the improvements. < 1341150554 352805 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu[Zzz] < 1341150641 618490 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"much lower chance"... < 1341150645 935717 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds legit . < 1341150677 150884 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grenades.. now with lower chance for exploding in your hand! < 1341150702 491012 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only 9.95! < 1341150704 814853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just lower, much lower. < 1341150713 531452 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: May contain traces of nuts. < 1341150764 354029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, it could be an order of magnitude lower. Now only every 100th grenade blows up in your hand, compared to every 10th. < 1341150827 415885 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be so releiving . < 1341150844 774016 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :relieve < 1341150890 562434 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to me english folks didn't have a consensus on using ei or ie ;) < 1341150934 271814 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i before e except after c (except the rule is useless) < 1341150991 557090 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLXvXFLKrSw for Stephen Fry's failed attempts at explaining the problem to Lee Mack < 1341151429 209519 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno but I've never had trouble remembering whether it's ie or ei < 1341151434 550769 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or knowing < 1341151481 523850 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :like all other parts of spelling in english, you just need to know how it's spelled < 1341151510 669607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the Origin of Speceis, because it's after c. < 1341151557 317407 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently those with english as a native language often get taught various rules for how this is done, but all the rules are broken < 1341152123 517498 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If teaching rules to native speakers works. < 1341154042 695439 :eigenpumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1341154458 456155 :Taneb!0263516f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.81.111 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341154513 307638 :Taneb!0263516f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.81.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1341154542 1264 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1341154573 628990 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1341154679 184788 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lleHo < 1341154751 639072 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> randomRIO >>= return.(!!).(permutations "Hello") < 1341154753 237268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.IO a -> [a1]' < 1341154753 388768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against infer... < 1341154821 48520 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> randomRIO (1,10) >>= (\c -> return $ (permutations "Hello") !! c) < 1341154822 900489 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1341154840 827321 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> print 5 < 1341154842 506862 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1341154858 765526 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad :( < 1341155507 16169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm not sure what kind of "bad" that means. I mean, ethical and philosophical vs. technical issues. The old Linux client (version numbers 2.x) has been usable but not so good; I don't know about this new version 4. (The Windows and OS X versions are in 5.x or something, but I don't think they share much code.) <-- technical issues with skype in general, not just on linux < 1341155514 531470 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like video calls breaking up and such < 1341155517 256048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I heard < 1341155575 785743 :Taneb!0263516f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.81.111 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1341155821 35535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, EWORKSFORUS. < 1341155850 433918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the Skype use we have is mostly audio and text. < 1341155897 807359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341155945 587077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, shoudln't teamspeak or something like that work just as well then? < 1341155962 412127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, other people. < 1341155964 267314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d120 < 1341155964 730520 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d120 => 50 < 1341155968 207715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (permutations "Hello") !! 49 < 1341155970 374938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Hoell" < 1341155986 307361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Combining that to single step left as an exercise to the reader.) < 1341156020 24353 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341156025 572404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1341156058 706565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (!!) < 1341156060 397989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> Int -> a < 1341156069 638478 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try this again < 1341156107 330022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ("Hello" !!) <$> [0..4] < 1341156108 951072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Hello" < 1341156203 149914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'@dice' is funny, it can do NdF+K but not NdF-K. < 1341156866 296909 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> permutations "Hello" !! $ 49 < 1341156867 906416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `$' < 1341156918 384809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (!!49) . permutations $ "Hello" < 1341156922 15047 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Hoell" < 1341156952 382384 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1341156961 167586 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not the output pl provides. < 1341156991 300740 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = (permutations "Hello" !!) in f 49 < 1341156992 816402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Hoell" < 1341157002 912214 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (permutations "Hello" !!) $ 49 < 1341157004 530601 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Hoell" < 1341157018 392244 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the brackets. < 1341157047 543169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \s -> (permutations s) !! 49 < 1341157048 131574 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!! 49) . permutations < 1341157278 746988 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any chance it could do NdF-K by giving it a positive value that causes it to wrap around? < 1341157307 894014 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Int < 1341157309 585286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9223372036854775807 < 1341157316 685035 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d2 < 1341157317 353243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d2 => 2 < 1341157322 957273 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d2+1 < 1341157323 442400 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d2+1 => 3 < 1341157330 148258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d2+9223372036854775807 < 1341157330 647960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d2+9223372036854775807 => 9223372036854775809 < 1341157339 46093 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d2+9223372036854775808 < 1341157339 669006 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d2+9223372036854775808 => 9223372036854775810 < 1341157350 321512 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah < 1341157356 76997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d1 < 1341157356 633213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d1 => 1 < 1341157362 934574 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d2+1.5 < 1341157363 620342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected ".": expecting "+" or end < 1341157377 113772 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d0 < 1341157377 716214 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d0 => 0 < 1341157400 503538 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 0d1 < 1341157401 118539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0d1 => 0 < 1341157403 275876 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 0d0 < 1341157403 818999 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0d0 => 0 < 1341157409 169908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0^0 < 1341157410 817873 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1341157711 275458 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Integer < 1341157712 810074 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Enum.Bounded GHC.Integer.Type.Integer) < 1341157712 961556 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from... < 1341158464 762424 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what it's worth, Integer as implemented by GHC is in fact bounded < 1341159206 708827 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Howso? < 1341159238 977186 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Integer < 1341159239 164032 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : = S# Int# -- small integers < 1341159239 315258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : | J# Int# ByteArray# -- large integers < 1341159265 6775 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uses a Int# for.... I think the size of the array? It has something to do with GMP's representation < 1341159295 463681 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't necessarily mean it's bounded (although it probably is) < 1341159319 620615 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The array could contain a "next array" pointer or some such. < 1341160151 105800 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341160294 136573 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-230-160.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341160297 881385 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-93.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1341161144 363751 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1341161575 214377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GMP's integers are at least bounded. < 1341161775 468553 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1341161989 478170 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341162010 465936 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341162141 284420 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1341162467 188743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1341162483 844432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Deadfish&curid=2038&diff=33007&oldid=33006 is there any evidence to support this change? < 1341162484 40730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 5 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1341162550 821675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:15:19: The array could contain a "next array" pointer or some such. < 1341162551 10421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pointers are bounded. Why am I reading the log? I'm closing that tab. < 1341162596 311776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Not sure whether this change is accurate or not: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Deadfish&curid=2038&diff=33007&oldid=33006. You're the Deadfish person, you sort it out : < 1341162596 477066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1341162599 265571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan *:p < 1341162599 440433 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1341162606 801291 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why did you leave for so long!? I've resorted to asking question to which I won't understand the answer to in #haskell ! < 1341162617 417239 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was wilfully ignoring that kind of boundedness. :-P < 1341162674 351006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't see why you would when even without a next-array pointer the boundedness is entirely theoretical :p < 1341162702 879719 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a pointer you can fill the machine memory, with an Int# you can't. :-P < 1341162705 709393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Have you noticed this channel is boring? < 1341162715 501389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Eh? < 1341162721 30072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: A ByteArray# could easily fill memory. < 1341162725 735282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without any next-array pointers. < 1341162734 22998 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's my IRC home < 1341162739 607601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In J# Int# ByteArray#, the Int# is the number of thingies. Chunks. Thunks. Clunks. Punks. Monks. < 1341162752 996624 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it has at most maxBound :: Int# bytes, it can't necessarily. < 1341162770 209126 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it's all quite uselessly academic. < 1341162771 302769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's maxBound :: Int# words, I believe. < 1341162781 484644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also that's not a valid value!) < 1341163141 196381 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: limbs < 1341163141 386287 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it isn't just that < 1341163144 329864 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also has the sign baked in < 1341163223 168942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I forgot about the sign thing. < 1341163226 447118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you have to remind me? :( < 1341163382 642094 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1341164101 797153 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1341164114 247211 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hi! < 1341164120 672626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1341164164 486588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm ghc no longer goes through C iirc? Can it still be made to do that. I want to try something insane. < 1341164211 658746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it that you want to try? < 1341164257 818320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Try getting a haskell program onto an android device using the Android NDK (this will mean I have to either write some C glue code or somehow access JNI from inside haskell!) < 1341164284 850639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc android has a messed up phreads implementation, if ghc depends on a sane pthreads... < 1341164311 228670 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, GHC does allow you to compile into C, but it needs a special option < 1341164325 191779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, and it is still platform specific C right? < 1341164334 885655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I first need a ghc cross compiler to ARMv7 < 1341164335 883811 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you use a different option < 1341164348 225058 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? really? Do you happen to know which options these are < 1341164464 13132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The C code generator is only supported when GHC is built in unregisterised mode, a mode where GHC produces 'portable' C code as output to facilitate porting GHC itself to a new platform. This mode produces much slower code though so it's unlikely your version of GHC was built this way. If it has then the native code generator probably won't be available. You can check this information by calling ghc -- < 1341164464 164376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :info. " < 1341164465 911268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1341164484 296177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I probably need to specially compile ghc for the option to exist < 1341164500 561838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or actually, this system has an old ghc (6.12.1) < 1341164501 217214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1341164544 546743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah for modern ghc at least: "Unregisterised compilation cannot be selected at compile-time; you have to build GHC with the appropriate options set. Consult the GHC Building Guide for details." < 1341164622 277278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Android to see what others have thought about it. < 1341164634 345101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thanks, didn't think to check there < 1341164674 322611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some dude on the SO thread mentions doing something with jhc w.r.t. the Wii homebrew toolchain.) < 1341164689 148936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341164699 663309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does jhc target now again? < 1341164774 930221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it has at least several C-based backends. < 1341164778 947908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341164790 287859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with the j I thought it might target jvm < 1341164815 540369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's support for cross-compiling to iPhone too. Sounds like Android would fit right in. < 1341164850 186669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with iphone you have a objc environment. Presumably you thus have a non-barebone libc/libpthreads < 1341164858 393794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what android has from my understanding < 1341164897 845309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341164916 765128 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, elliott's back < 1341164920 272432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah seems like a quick hack wouldn't be possible for this < 1341164920 784282 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he's got a new trick < 1341164930 714683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what new trick? < 1341164943 78466 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, reference to a song < 1341164974 713684 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He's back, and he's got a new trick" < 1341164991 561378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1341164994 329273 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Elliott Hird is ten times as slick as the last time!" < 1341164995 102144 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: Have you noticed this channel is boring? <-- I guess I need to be more active :P < 1341165009 719170 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The last time, you saw him" < 1341165020 653268 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now you can see we really adore him" < 1341165226 996863 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Hexham Classic < 1341165561 223825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back? < 1341165613 802891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you have an android based phone or an iphone? I don't remember. I do remember you playing around with android devices, but they might have been tablets < 1341165646 389829 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1341165706 736922 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the wifi white spot in this room... < 1341165713 965446 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Client Quit < 1341165719 951761 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible wifi here < 1341165732 453574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :could only connect on second try < 1341165815 193381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an iPhone. I don't use it. < 1341165820 189303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1341165847 818416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so if you said this channel was boring, why did you come back? < 1341165853 282652 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: happy canada day! http://gotstylemenswear.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/canadaday.jpeg < 1341165891 769037 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341165948 570515 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1341165961 851264 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, elliott came back < 1341166247 829189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not very talkative though < 1341166452 519103 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what's the weather like in the Hexham of the North that Isn't Helsinki? < 1341166509 68495 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard Edinburgh weather, i.e. overcast. < 1341166559 536957 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the weather like in the Hexham of the Hexham latitude? < 1341166696 499197 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bright but drizzly < 1341166803 767061 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the worst weather. < 1341166919 989370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was the day before yesterday (or possibly the day before that) when it rained 41 mm / m² here. < 1341166932 631873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been a very rainy start to the summer in most of Sweden < 1341166945 145729 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... < 1341166946 950435 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal. < 1341166952 856818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes? < 1341166972 555365 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1341166976 90800 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't measure rainfall in mm / m^2. < 1341166986 353756 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just mm. < 1341166993 947819 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1341166995 106852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well technically that is mm / m^2 < 1341166998 294378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1341167002 473062 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1341167008 612523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it just... depth < 1341167015 739924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm perhaps < 1341167019 481359 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How it works is there is a volume of rain over an area, which is a length. < 1341167038 158038 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you are wrong. Phantom_Hoover, Maharba, and elliott are right < 1341167055 376673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I found what I mixed it up with: "One millimeter of rainfall is the equivalent of one liter of water per square meter.[84]" < 1341167060 176460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fault < 1341167070 749695 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do it in litres per square metre, but that's obviously the same as mm unitwise. < 1341167077 764399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1341167080 568872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: thank you for crushing his hopes and dreams :P < 1341167104 780490 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, don't worry, there are lots of alternatives to being a meteorologist. < 1341167107 681398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have no issue with admitting being wrong when that was the case :P < 1341167128 530588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :today however the sun is shining here < 1341167138 813411 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a friend who thinks sanguine rhymes with whine < 1341167144 234757 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to win < 1341167169 991426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, thats... interesting < 1341167179 943531 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She won't admit that she's wrong < 1341167188 371020 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be worse, he could make it rhyme with... irvooine? < 1341167207 480646 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It _should_ rhyme with whine, but English is messed-up. < 1341167209 20051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, just show her a dictionary with the IPA in it? < 1341167227 643066 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, odds of that working is slim < 1341167241 68615 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba, it's like bother and brother < 1341167247 56111 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And countless other pairs < 1341167250 867569 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That presumes she knows the IPA. < 1341167261 204977 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, precisely. < 1341167291 676662 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or reading/Reading. Or tear/tear. < 1341167305 62494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, iirc in most dictionaries I have seen there is a legend at the start showing how to decode IPA (by using examples of the sounds from simple words) < 1341167348 70050 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather those were pronounced, say, /tear/, or /readiN/, to use the X-Sampa encoding. < 1341167352 305446 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you could just get a dictionary with plain phonetic spelling. < 1341167377 290697 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba, you'd rather change the pronunciation to fit the orthography? < 1341167396 815754 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way, actually, as long as they match. < 1341167426 987928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I too would rather change the pronunciation to fit the orthography < 1341167448 944824 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you change the orthography of , say? < 1341167459 959431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I would rather it became an alternate but still accepted pronunciation, than the standard current one. < 1341167461 971166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, those exist? Nice < 1341167486 80730 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's common in more basic dictionaries, like the ones you get in schools. < 1341167505 807895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen dictionaries using phonetic order < 1341167508 154678 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything using "plain phonetic spelling" other than the IPA is guaranteed more ambiguous and harder to understand. < 1341167509 430781 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big ones tend to use the IPA, sometimes exclusively. < 1341167531 55537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm, I guess back then I mostly worked with Swedish-English/English-Swedish ones. Never really used pure Swedish dictionaries that wasn't the official SAOL. < 1341167533 527940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree IPA is better < 1341167537 165418 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba, um, no. < 1341167545 992818 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More ambiguous, yes; harder to understand, no. < 1341167559 455247 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to me, at least. < 1341167562 805801 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPA beers aren’t to my taste, but many people like them. < 1341167587 93044 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is that it breaks words up into sections which have a fairly unambiguous standard representation. < 1341167601 485772 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't need to learn a separate system first. < 1341167613 815543 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not understand what you said there. < 1341167697 120338 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, phonetic order from the back of the word would be useful < 1341167714 625169 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For rhyming, yeah. < 1341167717 130120 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sanguine would be split into "sang" and "win"; both of these are not ambiguous with normal English orthography. < 1341167746 307341 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they use normal English orthography, you don't need to learn anything more. < 1341167751 198831 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'd say it's "sang", "gwin" < 1341167753 411816 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But isn't it actually pronounced with /Ngw/ in the middle? < 1341167762 824966 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ninja'd. < 1341167782 615163 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right; that was more a misstep on my part. < 1341167783 956377 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But your point's still there :) < 1341167795 992999 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb's representation works. < 1341167809 988162 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With sang + gwin, though, the syllable break is in the wrong place. < 1341167832 776650 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds very sanguine < 1341167838 597881 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in French, it's /sA_~gin/. < 1341167852 634489 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1341167854 88880 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can pronounce it with the two different syllable breaks I am very impressed < 1341167855 503906 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1341167875 326481 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it's sorta sa-nggwin < 1341167882 193324 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1341167901 34701 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that is an okay way to pronounce it, but i'll continue to pronounce the u < 1341167903 20411 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a weird, nasal a sound < 1341167906 984605 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda french, maybe? < 1341167909 765475 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sang-gwin vs. sangg-win. < 1341167940 106740 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess I'm weird, which isn't news to anyone < 1341167952 385471 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you represent French's /A_~/ in the "plain phonetic spelling"? < 1341167962 274266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm not sure how to pronounce the second of those. < 1341167962 425653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1341167985 152065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't make sense to me in English even. (And other languages are irrelevant here) < 1341167988 440271 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's an heresy! :p < 1341167995 953906 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wouldn't, because it's not a common English phoneme? < 1341167997 881351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :public announcement: the heap of threads you're considering picking up from the floor _may_ in fact be a spider. < 1341167998 426710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1341168002 950463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :end public announcement. < 1341168016 211328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, right < 1341168016 663106 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I have no idea how to pronounce the two differently. < 1341168020 202194 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Phantom_Hoover, you'd use a different system for each language. < 1341168035 237563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1341168035 767407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1h 30m 39s ago: Not sure whether this change is accurate or not: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Deadfish&curid=2038&diff=33007&oldid=33006. You're the Deadfish person, you sort < 1341168035 950116 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it out : < 1341168036 101355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1h 30m 36s ago: *:p < 1341168042 604466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I guess maybe shifting the stress? Nah... < 1341168050 7156 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba: as in É‘Ě ? < 1341168062 647955 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't know if encoding went through) < 1341168071 698349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well it's an accurate assessment of _some_ of the implementations. < 1341168073 335843 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes? It's useful for representing English words in English, not French ones. < 1341168081 921068 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the letter fine, boily. < 1341168090 279065 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the tilde and all? < 1341168092 702960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh was it supposed to be French? < 1341168096 583256 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, boily. < 1341168105 817295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly i just today removed that feature from the pascal one < 1341168115 972107 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But IPA is generally useful; you don't need multiple systems. < 1341168117 658626 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sanguine is a French loanword, but its English pronunciation is significantly different to the French. < 1341168127 728780 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba, but it is not as accessible. < 1341168150 381062 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you're making a dictionary for people who don't want to learn the IPA, it's not a good choice. < 1341168156 354630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I /guess/ the French pronunciation would be be more nasal? < 1341168157 154608 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To a non-native English speaker, the "englishy" system would be less accessible. < 1341168198 399330 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even to some native speakers of English, IPA is easier. < 1341168202 189878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-native speakers do not generally know IPA either < 1341168205 479250 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK? I said the system had limitations from the start, you don't need to point all of them out. < 1341168211 270070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba, I'm not a native English speaker, but I never managed to remember IPA (if I needed it I just checked the key of the dictionary), the "englishy" system would work better for me nowdays at least < 1341168227 211000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know what Tektur's latest messages on the community portal talk page mean < 1341168263 536191 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1341168284 591478 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes sense but not in a way that fits into words. < 1341168286 766148 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think he wants an OS written in an esolang for use as an emulation environment. < 1341168314 676355 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should that be in an emulation environment? < 1341168423 734335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably be possible to write an OS in for example brainfuck, easy to compile to native code (you would need an extension for embedding some inline asm for the platform in question of course, unless you designed the ISA to fit what brainfuck could do) < 1341168462 182016 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, using memory-mapped controls. < 1341168467 400085 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I mean if you can embed asm it's trivial to write an OS in BF, just not very interesting. < 1341168520 331299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, the challenge would be to use as little asm as possible < 1341168552 210995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on x86 at least you will at least need some to poke various system registers and such < 1341168576 482129 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be a bit trickier to compile, but I think memory-mapped controls might remove any inline asm need. < 1341168590 566248 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, how much access to registers does x86 actually need? < 1341168610 656380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on if you want to stay in 16-bit mode or not I guess < 1341168640 119310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if what you are doing doesn't fit into the MBR you at least need to do a few BIOS calls to load more data from the disk < 1341168653 90290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba, that would either need a hypervisor or a custom ISA I guess? < 1341168665 783608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if I understood you correctly though < 1341168737 195822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I guess you could let grub load you into protected mode with multiboot < 1341168738 868829 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't thought it out much. Maybe the compiled code would poll those memory locations occasionally. < 1341168783 455646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba, well standard BF wouldn't allow you to do any waiting, you would have to busy loop < 1341168798 227976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway one thing you would need is writing some interrupt handlers (if you want input) < 1341168823 702846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, it could keep polling < 1341168835 57380 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have some memory locations be addresses for interrupt handlers. < 1341168854 499209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for it to be an OS I think you would need something more than a program just running on bare bones < 1341168859 560556 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we get into self-modifying code, though. < 1341168863 434226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the ability to run different programs < 1341168878 859832 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF's Turing-complete, it can run other programs. < 1341168887 293099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba, well the code you wrote I mean < 1341168897 84975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program that was the OS < 1341168921 630104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is of course no clear line between what is just a program running on bare metal and what is an OS < 1341168938 835232 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My statement about self-modifying code was not in reply to yours, but a continuation of my previous one. < 1341168961 430646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1341168984 10232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I imagined it being compiled into native machine code. < 1341168995 986664 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would work. < 1341169386 587491 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, PeterMolydeux actually has more followers on twitter than Peter Molyneux. < 1341169427 781749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, which one is the fake? < 1341169434 304141 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deux < 1341169446 87339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1341169487 348216 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only follow the latter < 1341169518 934740 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you follow real peter molyneux < 1341169642 302274 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall trying Fable 2 and getting bored quickly. < 1341169694 953143 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was better than Fable 3 < 1341169724 915694 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's ulcerative colitis, from what I hear. < 1341169725 480676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, was there ever a good Fable game? < 1341169741 420610 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except if you played as a female character in 2 you ended up looking like a East German shotputter < 1341169754 967664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I haven't played any of them, but I haven't heard anything good about any of them) < 1341169756 100440 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, well I hear they're pretty fun as far as sidequests go, and the combat is decent. < 1341169772 501335 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2's magic was a bit slow, too < 1341169782 512022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Hm. So better combat than TES? < 1341169792 427511 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the main plots are abysmal and it of course falls victim to the Molyneux hypefest. < 1341169806 578209 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing a google image searcch: East German shotputter Heidi Krieger underwent gender reassignment surgery < 1341169822 168096 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, probably, but TES combat is pretty bad, although it's definitely improved. < 1341169833 759647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, to me it sounds like you mostly described Oblivion: fun side quests, abysmal main plot. :P (Though yeah TES has terrible combat) < 1341169855 349804 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but the problem with Fable is that it railroads you into the main plot. < 1341169860 225598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1341169870 361067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not open world? < 1341169876 266335 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like a TES game where you can fuck off and only miss out on a handful of dungeons. < 1341169889 933040 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You *have* to go through it to access new areas. < 1341169914 611383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never finished the main quest of oblivion. I did finish the Shivering Isles main quest. That was pretty decent actually. < 1341169933 710873 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she basically said fuck it, and went the whole way after being "force-fed cocktails of steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs" < 1341169959 800160 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, WP article says she had gender dysphoria even before the drugs started. < 1341169964 902131 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1341169977 141732 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok! < 1341170023 991540 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway, what about Fable 1? I don't remember hearing /anything/ about that game ever < 1341170030 523072 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there is a 2 there is presumably a 1? < 1341170037 459976 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than 2, apparently. < 1341170040 197338 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1341170054 683262 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal just doesn't follow peter molyneux very closely < 1341170061 740248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed I don't < 1341170063 572889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would I < 1341170066 544524 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still has a bad main plot. < 1341170079 588418 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has such an interesting surname < 1341170095 666067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what happened to that kingdoms of amalur? Didn't the studio that made it go bankrupt recently? < 1341170113 892547 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1341170140 551097 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only that, rhode island had heavily invested in the company < 1341170152 917846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341170251 807139 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, oh also Fable shows a deep window into Molyneux's view of morality, i.e. that all ethical dilemmas boil down to "murder this child pointlessly or pay a million pounds to buy it a pony". < 1341170278 615168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /assume/ that is an exaggeration? < 1341170288 935704 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not by much. < 1341170291 925322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1341170315 559917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he ever make something good? < 1341170334 707907 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no, he killed the child pointlessly < 1341170340 362498 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His work in the 80s and early 90s is praised. < 1341170350 478500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ah okay < 1341170376 62976 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's kind of coasted on that since. < 1341170414 592536 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ignore the morality and the main quest and the east german shotputters and the really slow magic, Fable 2 was a fun, entertaining game < 1341170444 111560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, but as Phantom_Hoover pointed out you needed to proceed with the main quest to unlock various areas? < 1341170459 815231 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1341170470 304168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what you just suggested is in fact impossible? < 1341170476 161023 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the world is available before the final, stupidly long mission < 1341170507 339797 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also ISTR that the world involves a lot of quest hubs that you move between, but I played for a fairly short time a long time ago. < 1341170526 427251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are doing an open world game you really shouldn't force the player into any direction once they completed your tutorial level (Oblivion and Skyrim did it right. And from what I remember Morrowind didn't really have a tutorial except you had to walk through a couple of doors, no combat that I can remember) < 1341170618 76713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, that is one issue I had with GTA4, you had to do quite a bit of the main quest to unlock all islands. < 1341170641 983751 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking on wikipedia, listening to what has been said about fable games in here.. bullfrog made good games, lionhead studios didn't < 1341170651 703929 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much that simple < 1341170792 292395 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Movies was a fun machinima tool < 1341170802 777078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1341170994 273991 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really liked theme park and syndicate < 1341171007 40622 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they were awesome < 1341171024 484784 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dungeon keeper i haven't tried < 1341171082 411376 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I most often hear it compared with DF, which can only be a good thing. < 1341171117 572950 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he decided to make a game where you control the bad guys, and have to fend off heros.. i think its utter genius < 1341171134 102062 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounding like Molydeux there. < 1341171236 236487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, from what I understand it, it is more like you are running the bad guys though < 1341171258 523038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I only heard good things about it < 1341171279 295472 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're both making it sound like the only great thing the game did was have you play as the bad guys. < 1341171306 153303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, nah, I meant I only heard good things about the game in general < 1341171316 451075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the big gimmick of the game was that you were the bad guy. < 1341171317 135774 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know anything else about it really < 1341171317 326409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other games where your character is bad guy including some text adventure games < 1341171342 790598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, luring heros into your dungeon and killing them and that sort of stuff < 1341171360 832483 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the heroes come for you because you're evil :)) < 1341171393 28140 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the premise makes me laugh, i'm sold on it < 1341171404 9039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, also presumably for looting? < 1341171443 306806 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one guy working on xbox live indie games(XBLIG) was trying a similar concept based on mario games. < 1341171468 450882 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, how do I go about making android apps? < 1341171477 990581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, based on mario? What would Nintendo think about that? < 1341171490 894297 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i recall a few people were critical of that aspect of it < 1341171510 808364 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not literally mario but a clone < 1341171518 156679 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess there could be a second mario game where you could play as bowser (Super Mario RPG had Bowser join your party at one point) < 1341171552 298840 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program is funny even though i don’t understand the language. Apparently the name translates roughly to “don’t try this at home”. http://wgeostreaming.zdf.de/zdf/veryhigh/120629_folge1_nin.asx < 1341171553 102115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he had been thrown out of his castle by a greater evil, so you basically decide to join forces, for the moment) < 1341171726 671080 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i have super mario rpg rom.. and i am a final fantasy fan and a super mario fan.. ive still never played that < 1341171747 40313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I had some problems emulating that rom. Not sure why < 1341171758 545810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never completed the game due to it freezing a lot. < 1341171766 140446 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crumbs < 1341171769 307808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was however a stellar game < 1341171785 297322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have some problems emulating that ROM, then it is a good thing you have it because then you could try to fix the emulator. < 1341171789 310857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I don't think I tried bsnes, my computer at the time couldn't run it. So I probably used zsnes < 1341171827 382939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so using the accurate model of bsnes might be worth a try < 1341171845 366440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, the issues only really started towards the middle of the game < 1341171865 822980 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341171927 118367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer games do not always have a plot, for example some are just simple games which do not have a story (such as DOWN, BJACK, STARSTAK, MATCHNUM, Xnazzyball, Disk Catch, etc), while Super ASCII MZX Town has not a very good plot since you just figure out stuff as you go along, find keys and keycards, and then BIG_MONSTER at the end... < 1341172015 438789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also MEDIUM_SIZE_MONSTER; once BIG_MONSTER says to him "I am sorry Dave, I cannot let you to do it" and then he responds "Hay! How do you know my real name?" < 1341172071 222615 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A wild Zzo (Lv. 38) appeared! < 1341172115 41031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly they consist of rooms that do not have much relation between their purposes; they are just various different areas such as the store, library, puzzle game, castle (with two sides: the kingside and the queenside), the Spanish Inquisition, etc. They are just various places you either go to find keycards, keys, or the passage to next area < 1341172301 468842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in one level you have to beat Dr.Gray, who has a laser proof vest, and if you beat him then he gives you the purple key (the only thing he owns that isn't gray). < 1341172540 191168 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1341172540 730687 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-111.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1341172724 114824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, the other game I make (not quite complete, but much shorter than Super ASCII MZX Town) is Potion of Confusing, which has a somewhat better and more coherent plot: Go into the passages to find nice purple keys. Hold second one as you hold a pencil. < 1341172848 108815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The king hates anyone who has solved these puzzles also hates gibbering mouther and so on, so the king has ordered his army to kill them (and you). To stop them, you have to find the contract and write "VOID" on it, but first you have to go to library to learn about it, and it has a magic on it that you cannot adjust it except by writing on it by the second purple key. < 1341172863 147029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once you wrote "VOID" then the army will attack the king instead. < 1341173027 72209 :Maharba!3200420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.10 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1341173059 635223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can find the Potion of Confusing. < 1341173497 321572 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1341173559 534170 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor lion :-( http://youtu.be/6fbahS7VSFs < 1341173906 493625 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps toniiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1341173930 204983 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-drum solo- < 1341174256 234058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1341174307 715044 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ziim looks really awesome. < 1341174318 189352 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1341174325 586069 :ion_!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1341174579 985970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: An other one, compiling on JDK1.1 (just in case you have some reason to stay away from ORACLE). < 1341174612 60549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw i don't know if http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Deadfish&diff=next&oldid=33024 broke anything or not < 1341174619 550637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1341174623 531964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Deadfish&diff=next&oldid=33025 he reverted your change, it seems. < 1341174638 140437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you replied < 1341174892 597465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that broke anything, the two switched lines should never be triggered on the same iteration < 1341174943 557654 :ion_!ion@heh.fi NICK :ion < 1341175047 903991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pascal change broke some things, which i fixed again. i'm pretty sure OR is an original pascal keyword, but that doesn't matter so i didn't undo that. < 1341175075 367002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm wondering if i should fix his java, given that JTS's java is _also_ broken < 1341175104 172807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in a different way < 1341175114 939264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ^ < 1341175860 455777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you generalize van Laarhoven lenses to other categories? < 1341175998 599745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh < 1341176086 52756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought of why you wanted (>>=) to be a method of a monad class, but I think return and join should be, and then require it to be a endofunctor as a superclass. Well, I think (>>=) shouldn't be, but perhaps as well as return and join, (=<<) can be made a method so that they can define in terms of each other including the endofunctor. Since, this way it can work for monads on other categories too. < 1341176144 785842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(=<<) is like a functor from the Kleisli category (represented using the base category instead of the Kleisli category) to the base category. < 1341176172 795401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why I think (>>=) should not be a class method. < 1341176226 233774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also why join should be a class method. < 1341176240 284528 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott does scone rhyme with con < 1341176255 834871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1341176290 43958 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good < 1341176315 803430 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(its important you keep track of whos harbouring scone heresy) < 1341176428 892926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has less and less idea how to pronounce english lately < 1341176447 374763 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tip: it's not exactly norwegian < 1341176457 401021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW < 1341176473 260188 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know! it's mind blowing < 1341176491 82314 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, just pronounce scone correctly and you're good. < 1341176496 534517 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything else is window-dressing. < 1341176506 545365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Look it up in the dictionary if you don't know.) < 1341176533 993554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAA wiktionary shows _two_ options < 1341176558 709057 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHOOSE < 1341176621 492535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah but it's ok because only one of them is allowed to rhyme < 1341176663 208492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how is it pronounced? (Not IPA please, I never managed to remember that) < 1341176692 254054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"scon"? < 1341176696 8676 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1341176707 915418 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awful people say 'scoan'. < 1341176725 757771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, heh I thought it rhymed with "cone" < 1341176737 755461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, we learn something new every day < 1341176742 969126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the dictionary shows two options then probably both are acceptable < 1341176776 288982 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO that is WRONGHEADED SCOAN THINKING < 1341176784 251030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches an unstoppable Phantom_Hoover hit an unmovable zzo38  < 1341176801 254558 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is that an SCP reference? < 1341176808 110749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1341176809 998139 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember something like that from there < 1341176811 134994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1341176821 427406 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's a reference to the unstoppable force meets immovable object idiom. < 1341176832 182821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay, that is an idiom? < 1341176837 744065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which scp may very well have used... < 1341176865 205575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient scholastic conundrum, i thought < 1341176884 311362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution is of course that no such objects exists < 1341176900 814345 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :related, I think, to that one about god constructing an object he can't break < 1341176914 783213 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also almost a chuck norris fact < 1341176918 218351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1341176974 383074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though, why did Chuck Norris end up with that meme. He isn't the only actor that played baddass roles. < 1341176978 423094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :badass* < 1341176993 124080 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess he was lucky < 1341176994 419233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arnold Schwarzenegger for example < 1341177013 423514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he got the "I'll be back" one though) < 1341177050 256825 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there used to be facts about other actors, but when those facts heard about chuck norris they changed < 1341177052 218508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember very vague bits and pieces of a (probably sci-fi-ish) novel that had unstoppable force/immovable object stuffs in it. Also, it was weird. < 1341177065 626168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it wasn't sci-fi, it was just http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking_on_Glass < 1341177079 656828 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walking on Glass! < 1341177094 787866 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my favourite Banks novel because it makes absolutely no goddamn sense. < 1341177094 939166 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe you should consult the Internet, it might know stuff like that < 1341177113 967674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Iain Banks commented that the book 'didn’t do exactly what it set out to do and I think you have failed to an extent if the reader can’t understand what you’re saying. I worry sometimes that people will read Walking on Glass and think in some way I was trying to fool them, which I wasn’t.'" < 1341177119 319747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, guess what I'm doing atm! < 1341177119 493099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it really doesn't. < 1341177123 851211 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... and the ending has a flavour of incest." < 1341177133 710820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes IRC is part of the internet < 1341177144 116779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you maybe meant "the world wide web"?) < 1341177154 425109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I can't say I honestly remember that part. I just remember the weird games, and that the riddle was being used. < 1341177157 132050 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, gopher < 1341177163 477842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay. < 1341177165 804253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1341177169 810790 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it does if you think about it, but he totally failed to actually tie anything together substantially. < 1341177243 882785 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the unstoppable force stuff is this man in this woman locked in this weird prison thing for some reason and they have to play games and when they finish a given game they get to offer an answer to the question and if they get it right they get let out. < 1341177248 100214 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1341177252 797331 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*man and this woman < 1341177320 171835 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, IRC, gopher, WWW, are all part of internet. We ask question in IRC but can also look up some things in Wikipedia. < 1341177321 245450 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The other two thirds of a book consist of a man hankering after some woman who is secretly shagging her brother who is also his gay friend, and a paranoid construction worker.) < 1341177344 916498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Microwave Gun parts remind me of some other paranoid nutcase story. < 1341177356 996069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, this sounds kind of awesome < 1341177363 957828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to being so crazy < 1341177386 330427 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being a paranoid nutcase isn't as much fun as it sounds < 1341177396 539109 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly < 1341177417 878224 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the problem is that the book draws you in with the promise that all these narratives will be taken together and brought to a close, and then completely fails to do so. < 1341177426 163091 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1341177439 2392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ouch. < 1341177475 171953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, "you can't have both in the same universe" was one of their answer candidates. < 1341177483 761902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As was that stupid "The immovable object loses; force always wins!" < 1341177498 607579 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slowly starts to remember that good books actually exist. < 1341177501 407790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't even make any sense < 1341177515 296508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, you should go read the Discworld books maybe? < 1341177515 451770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about this answer? "The force passes through the immovable object." < 1341177519 891605 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The extent of their interaction is that the lovestruck guy obliviously triggers a car accident which injures the construction worker and the man in the prison wanders off and finds the construction worker plugged into a computer. < 1341177534 706492 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too mainstream < 1341177535 85166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this one? "The immovable object warps geometry so that the unstoppable force never manages to touch it anyways." < 1341177551 806314 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the answer is basically given during one of the worker's chapters as "the unstoppable force stops, the immovable object moves". < 1341177554 619550 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, plugged into a computer? As in some sort of cyborg thing? < 1341177574 30522 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the sun's gone out and everyone's in a simulated world. Or something. < 1341177582 600211 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what i mean to say is that a given random book can be really cool, even if the author is unheard of :D < 1341177585 957960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ah < 1341177600 571730 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait no, they're experiencing the memories of people in the past without actually influencing them or something. < 1341177608 64459 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the longer i go without reading books, the more i forget how good some of them are < 1341177609 312494 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How well do you think of the geometry one? < 1341177610 663001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, right, but the Discworld books are still good. So stop trying to be hippie < 1341177610 842339 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the things that's never really elaborated upon. < 1341177629 409052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there was that war thing. < 1341177634 197361 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't like a recommended book :D < 1341177664 710406 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't that a simulation too or something? < 1341177680 79841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might've been. The latter parts are especially vague to me. < 1341177686 808855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually here is another answer I made up: "The unstoppable force never meets the immovable object because of quantum uncertainty; the possibility that it does is discarded and a different collapse is performed instead." < 1341177690 270356 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hipster, Vorpal, you mean hipster. < 1341177691 909058 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last book i read which counts as a book was the dwarf by par lagerkvist < 1341177701 378906 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was smashing < 1341177704 27638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I remember that "the unstoppable force stops; the immovable object moves" answer that appeared somewhere. < 1341177716 802439 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was on a matchbook. < 1341177730 114117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, err yes < 1341177731 932821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird typo < 1341177749 685558 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, paranoid construction worker gets sent to a psychiatric hospital in the wake of the car accident and finds the matchbook for some reason. < 1341177749 923511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another answer: "It is wrong because the movement has to be relative to something." < 1341177752 925961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine a hippie itidus21 XD < 1341177754 518608 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why.. maybe because i was excited that it said nobel prize on the side.. but i later learned that the author gets the prize not the book < 1341177764 253931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I have to wake up in like three or four hours to catch a plane. That's suboptimal. < 1341177766 489172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I made up these answers) < 1341177768 801430 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, well he already has disgusting long hippie hair. < 1341177773 893518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does? < 1341177782 298530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen a photo of him!? < 1341177784 448100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which answers do you think are better for this unstoppable force question? < 1341177795 945600 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, just don't sleep and then sleep on the plane! < 1341177821 590233 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm weird < 1341177821 974084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's like a three-hour flight, that's not much sleep. I should do some actual work after arriving and all. < 1341177833 333613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch, where are you going? < 1341177847 201771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Belgium; that's why I was wondering about potential .be people. < 1341177851 597953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341177867 219279 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what are you doing there? Work I presume from what you said < 1341177870 794697 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, then you get the same sleep either way! < 1341177886 637130 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i learned about books is that most so-called classics really aren't very much fun in english < 1341177901 709101 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankenstein was good. very good < 1341177903 830380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's a university in Leuven, I'll be visiting their speech people, who we've coauthored papers with previously too. < 1341177905 667095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they better in Klingon? < 1341177917 216908 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a theory they might be better in the native language < 1341177920 216261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For a month.) < 1341177930 527845 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i haven't actually read many < 1341177934 672191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, well of course most books are better untranslated (if you can read the language in question) < 1341177935 309298 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm purely speculating < 1341177946 695554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess why I have the Discworld books in English for example < 1341177956 972536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, yes. < 1341177966 405693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or anything that was published in English originally) < 1341177975 7695 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1341177981 963676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, if their native language is neither English nor Klingon, are some of them better in Klingon than English? < 1341177994 951703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, matters a lot more than usual for Discworld due to all the puns. < 1341178012 658552 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341178019 702871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, .. Why Klingon? And why would I know Klingon? < 1341178027 330945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read somewhere that the Jabberwocky is better in Klingon than English even though it was originally written in English. < 1341178076 808762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, anyway, surely you must have read some literature in a non-English language? What did you take as your second language in school? < 1341178086 181720 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i haven't < 1341178096 596945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect you to be able to read a novel in whatever the third language you took was < 1341178098 35704 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at most i've learned to say a few words in foreign languages < 1341178116 987790 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: native english-speakers don't learn other languages, silly < 1341178121 390952 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never read an entire page of text in a foreign language < 1341178137 970584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh right < 1341178138 917301 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i had some troubles in school < 1341178147 399175 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was very eager about languages < 1341178152 532238 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :except those who learn Klingon, I guess < 1341178153 514116 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1341178163 930158 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1341178177 99615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what about the languages from Tolkins books? < 1341178186 312405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot what the elven languages were called < 1341178202 719492 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sindarin and Quenya. < 1341178202 946927 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what actuality i am speaking about < 1341178206 716765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, thanks < 1341178218 839402 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've got limited official vocabularies, though. < 1341178239 577636 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so glad elliott isn't listening to the channel right now. < 1341178242 234149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I always mix the first one up with Simarillon (sp?) which is another Tolkin thing < 1341178247 993333 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically there are conditions and requisites to learning any language < 1341178252 228931 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and why? < 1341178263 395395 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal do you really think I would know what Sindarin is but not the Silmarillion? < 1341178272 887851 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just start learning without some kind of motive force < 1341178276 86116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no, I just said I always mix them up < 1341178288 325963 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, a lesson you demonstrate all too well. < 1341178303 983553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 has a motive force? < 1341178313 534595 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a motive force? < 1341178327 361218 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying to say something not sure what < 1341178350 812019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it is a force that comes in two variants: the unstoppable and the unmoveable < 1341178356 719282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I suspect itidus21 has the latter < 1341178379 194634 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like for instance, you can't have your cake and eat it < 1341178385 143139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am so glad elliott isn't listening to the channel right now. < 1341178386 90635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1341178390 398886 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that an unstoppable motive force wouls still be unable to get iti to develop personally. < 1341178390 590406 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can desire, and even plan to have your cake and eat it. < 1341178407 896566 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I just admitted to knowledge of elf languages. < 1341178427 252850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1341178438 374906 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, if you plan to have your cake and eat it, and if you act upon that plan, unbeknownst to you is that you will invariably fail < 1341178476 436115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1341178503 62160 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you just plan to have cake, without the constraint of eating it too, then you might succeed < 1341178522 90992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Don't worry. I'm a friend of the elves, man. < 1341178540 749403 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elfiott < 1341178563 160134 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1341178565 396240 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've changed < 1341178586 296184 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliott < 1341178596 831021 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? < 1341178600 878791 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, for example, it's not enough to just buy a bilingual dictionary and begin study from there. < 1341178648 230949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm surprised you haven't changed though after playing Skyrim. Some of the coolest ruins in Skyrim are the Dwemer ones. And those are elven (the Dwemer, dwarfs, were actually a kind of elves according to TES lore) < 1341178653 559008 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically, the most common type of book about foreign languages on any given bookshelf is the bilingual dictionary < 1341178654 591134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is a friend of nobody. Just a h8r. < 1341178657 950865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1341178692 449273 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They get a pass because they all disappeared whilst building a giant robot in a volcano so they could take over the universe. < 1341178701 942945 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They put most dwarves to shame. < 1341178702 368253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1341178740 912973 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also when some other elves came grovelling for help after losing to Swedes they blinded and enslaved them which is hardcore dorf. < 1341178757 276325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, err? < 1341178759 311643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1341178766 696820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, the falmer < 1341178820 516226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway I think the dwemer ruins are the most interesting dungeons in Skyrim. After the 20th ruin with undead it gets kind of boring < 1341178844 727067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure a few dungeons have unique gimmicks that make it interesting but... there aren't that many of those < 1341178866 70984 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have irritatingly tough enemies though so it kind of balances out. < 1341178873 893800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1341178877 553703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : what did you think of Blackreach btw (if you got there?) < 1341178910 919199 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best location, although they could've tried a little harder to get you to explore than that awful collection quest. < 1341178929 222884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much what I thought too. "What a wasted potential" < 1341178960 619302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have nothing against collecting nirnroot as long as I can do it while on my way elsewhere < 1341178978 714609 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DLC apparently adds more Falmer stuff so there might be more to do there. < 1341178992 655003 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, when is it coming out for PC? < 1341179004 808683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there was an xbox timed exclusive deal on those < 1341179020 301349 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A month after the Xbox version. < 1341179033 830441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, when is the xbox one coming out? Or is it out already? < 1341179042 543564 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been out for like a week. < 1341179045 711691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1341179127 130605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh also Blackreach was too hard to navigate. An outdoor style map would have been needed for it. < 1341179160 176200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I need to sleep, early morning tomorrow < 1341179162 981688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1341179438 860219 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341179512 62111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1341179874 996512 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89252.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341179877 194524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like GCC's ?: operator with nothing in between, since it is useful < 1341179941 462758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it useful to you? < 1341179993 899954 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it do? < 1341179998 957256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people hate the ? : operator in C (regardless of whether or not GNU extensions are used) but I think it is good (regardless of GNU extensions). < 1341180000 624392 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing something like || in JavaScript < 1341180008 390209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: Yes, it does the same as || in JavaScript < 1341180028 906443 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like ?: because it's the only functional-style conditional in the language < 1341180038 82907 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, with a proper return value. < 1341180045 894026 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could hack some conditionals with && and || but... < 1341180145 459274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should also add the one that is like && in JavaScript. Sometimes I use multiplication for that purpose but it is not chort-circuiting and it has to be boolean on one side 0 or 1 to work like that < 1341180639 812854 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance when would you use that < 1341180732 718073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something similar is: send_note(ch,channels[ch].transpose+(channels[ch].octave+(cx%d=s^d|0<1=mod(x%d)10:s^(10*d)in 2:scanl w(1,1)[1..]^10>>=show < 1341183985 443793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, not that. < 1341183986 938760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_10 < 1341183987 465402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[100^2^n`div`(a^i*i)*(8-i.&.3*4)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]] < 1341183992 197139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run @where pi_10 < 1341183994 378959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "31415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062... < 1341184004 158496 :lament!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why would i < 1341184025 356697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would I know your motivations? < 1341184054 783848 :lament!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you have some sort of mental model of me based on past interactions and other data < 1341184078 148670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you're unpredictable. < 1341184093 499404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the scale of 16-31 harmonics in Wikipedia, I figured out the same kinds of things, except that I called 30 B and 31 B sharp (or C flat). < 1341184162 983818 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :16=C 17=C#=Db 18=D 19=D#=Eb 20=E 21=F 22=F# 23=Gb 24=G 25=G# 26=Ab 27=A 28=A# 29=Bb 30=B 31=B#=Cb 32=C < 1341184884 399293 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: B# means C and Cb means B. perhaps call it B.25? < 1341184916 66487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: In the standard scale, B# means C and Cb means B. But this is a different scale. < 1341185167 770544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a Bohlen-Pierce scale, D# is the same as E. < 1341186037 198428 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341186328 445171 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1341186957 223713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=62450 < 1341186992 779891 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1341187015 897379 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like it must have been autogenerated but I can't give the PHP guys that much creidt. < 1341187018 309519 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*credit < 1341187024 398408 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i sneezed ok) < 1341187178 173098 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"has literally never been used by anyone" -- how would they know that?