< 1340755238 633446 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone < 1340755248 423168 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nominated their own crappy photo of a tennis ball < 1340755251 35748 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for featured pic < 1340755279 456970 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what happened < 1340755310 533013 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three votes, all oppose. < 1340755348 580478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1340755448 704343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll finish that app tomorrow < 1340755451 914391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1340755474 50461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot left though, clean up GUI, remove some debug buttons and add preference saving < 1340755508 16656 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow someone nominated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shallow_water_waves_250px.gif for featured pic. < 1340755543 7180 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1340755560 768608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also eh, seems I need to bug fix, I think the service got killed somehow... < 1340755570 532918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it needs to be a foreground service < 1340756186 988548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which programming languages allow ASCII control characters in identifiers? < 1340756220 722630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Pretty sure erlang allows some at least, if you quote the identifiers < 1340756247 190316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have an identifier which is the empty string even < 1340756373 96755 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B32.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340756401 698141 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B32.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340756426 78263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like to be able to quote the identifiers too but it is not exactly what I meant < 1340756500 391457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you can't have such variable names of course, since that is a separate namespace < 1340756504 933183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but function or module names, sure < 1340756515 123262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though for module names the compiler might not like your file name very much < 1340756648 577991 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B32.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340756661 947078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be allowed to use shift-in, shift-out, and backspace, possibly with some restrictions (such as not more backspaces than printable characters, and any shift-out must have a shift-in somewhere after it), in some programming languages, maybe? < 1340756746 205097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as macros to treat certain names as similar to others. For example in Haskell we have "/=" for not equal so you can have "/\BS=" and "\SO|\SI" macros that result in the name being treated equivalently to "/=" unless those macros are redefined. < 1340756752 671899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift-in? < 1340756757 182991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does shift-in/out do? < 1340756760 53773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :do* < 1340756768 731130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You could also have the similar macros for the Unicode not-equal sign to mean the same thing too) < 1340756835 425468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Shift-in/shift-out on some terminals is used to select a different character set. (Other terminals may have other meanings for them, none of them common as far as I know) < 1340756845 313882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340756861 401271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I need to sleep, unless Phantom__Hoover comes back I'm not going to bother chatting more < 1340757190 590754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340757217 559163 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or someone else who < 1340757750 135221 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1340758208 26390 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Patashu < 1340758269 36313 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-163.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340758370 22435 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to sleep even more. < 1340758418 631051 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-57.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340758487 271904 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: oh? < 1340758740 262445 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340758927 325868 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intro to Physics started. http://www.udacity.com/overview/Course/ph100/CourseRev/1 < 1340759137 164070 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1340759137 880672 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340760635 637261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you good at physics? < 1340760701 431812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When in school I could select the science course I selected the physics because I like that one. But I was also taking calculus class so some things in the physics I could understand by the calculus too < 1340760720 930969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they invented calculus to do physics. < 1340761269 917981 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: aren't you still in school? < 1340761524 853211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not in school at this time. < 1340761697 944519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What school are you not in? < 1340761775 894814 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-84.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340761797 78845 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-163.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340761901 189903 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you at collage or university then? < 1340762066 527073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not at school/collage/university. < 1340762241 504977 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/MichaelSeger/status/217792901718085633/photo/1/large Now I too get to experience what Beijing atmosphere is like! < 1340762327 828233 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I mean during < 1340762348 995446 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :During non-holidays < 1340762455 525706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finished school < 1340762915 798360 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1340762954 595470 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you start university this fall then zzo38 < 1340762988 19172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1340763008 394793 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not < 1340763128 237512 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: what did it say < 1340763147 525752 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :-VorpalPhone- VERSION AndChat 1.4.0.2 http://www.andchat.net < 1340763154 318029 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1340763191 448923 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missing the Xchat style nick alignment though < 1340763292 697617 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: want a screenshot? < 1340763303 781572 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1340763389 925494 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://db.tt/gRRLiUbB < 1340763439 684884 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://db.tt/4SFpiBgg too < 1340763447 584758 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: < 1340763499 2486 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks pretty neat. Not a fan of the variable-width font though < 1340763516 966103 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is on a 302" display btw < 1340763531 688042 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :306 I meant < 1340763542 678554 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dpi too < 1340763562 409199 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.8" 306dpi < 1340763572 462657 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many typos < 1340763580 292303 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :302" would be insane :p < 1340763623 785897 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like an Iboard < 1340763743 667928 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I'm effectively using swype, though it calls itself "Samsung keyboard" < 1340763904 807224 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the phone uses the front facing camera to detect when you are still looking at it even though you haven't touched it for a bit. It works better than I expected. < 1340763957 604771 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prevents screen from timing out < 1340764101 163363 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another nice feature is picture-in-picture with the video player inside any other program. Doesn't work with YouTube though, only local videos. < 1340764137 960146 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that usage of the front-facing camera sounds pretty clever < 1340764151 899564 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yes < 1340764193 531236 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like this phone < 1340764207 713510 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Galaxy s3 < 1340764308 240491 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long term this keyboard hurts though. But so do all phones. Even ones with physical keyboards < 1340764366 211437 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best phone keyboard I've used is the N900's, so far < 1340764445 839819 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, really < 1340764457 156763 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems tiny still < 1340764484 96706 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have fairly huge hands < 1340764630 452192 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm I want YouTube-dl for android... < 1340764780 803470 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha! I can trick opera mini into acting like that < 1340764862 172684 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that way I can do the picture in picture with YouTube videos < 1340764974 312448 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what it looks like http://db.tt/mBOf3bn7 < 1340764980 617634 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: < 1340765003 271002 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, neat < 1340765030 655437 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can drag the video around of course < 1340765034 341254 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it easy to switch between applications? especially between current and last application < 1340765080 584674 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as easy as with galaxy nexus < 1340765101 921740 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to hardware buttons < 1340765131 356739 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :You hold down home to get the task menu < 1340765166 648375 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than the dedicated button Google intended < 1340765205 402272 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1340765275 686484 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :The video thing is unique to s3 though < 1340765404 219674 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has a quad core CPU < 1340765448 164253 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: pretty good battery time though. < 1340765534 546874 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been using WiFi for hours without recharge and still at 75% < 1340765546 551628 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cool < 1340765564 106885 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Watched video most off that time too < 1340765621 422341 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can handle a large phone, this is awesome < 1340765800 122702 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :One issue is that using the FM radio with the included earphones o < 1340765810 534409 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is noisy < 1340765869 498137 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea why. Works well with other headphones. < 1340765913 186392 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the included ones are fine with music player < 1340765923 914263 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night < 1340765930 201131 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1340766281 614298 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340766550 482215 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340766901 510600 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340768147 785520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually a music that modulates into many keys uses equal temperament so that the chords are equal for all keys, which does work OK. But what happen if you write a music that is modulating into many keys, starting and ending on the same key though, and using just intonation tuned for only the starting key, so that the chord vary in the different keys (although you might get wolf tones in some)? < 1340768333 463231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Doing that, you would have to think more carefully of what keys you modulate to, such as when you want wolf intervals and so on) < 1340769422 145761 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-83.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340769552 925157 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-84.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1340769878 569820 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1340770165 628575 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340770644 603427 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340770770 793165 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340773558 286908 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1340773586 151460 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340773637 520962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unuse command in this track. < 1340773852 883005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340773893 830376 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340774180 9664 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340774231 48695 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340774330 528392 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340778815 936903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The default setting for VRC7 frequencies in PPMCK appears to be based on A440 although it is 2Hz off and the tones vary as much as four cents from equal temperament. This is using 172 for C (the formula is $F={49722x\over2^{19-o}}$ where $x$ is a nine-bit integer and $o$ is a three-bit integer). Setting C to 269 appears to be much closer with up to two cents of variance. < 1340778878 120492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, this way is no longer tuned to A440 so it will not work if you use channels other than the VRC7 (and possibly noise channels as well), or if you require A440 tuning for any other purpose. < 1340779034 984867 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340779196 574944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, you do get a just perfect fifth of C and G with the 172 based setting. < 1340780665 98001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what about non-western tunings? < 1340780684 960187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it support Indian (as in India) music? < 1340780698 49481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, how could you improve the system to support that? < 1340780746 660567 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, update < 1340780779 43244 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1340780779 455196 :trout!~root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1340780779 661006 :stanley!~stanley@unaffiliated/stanley QUIT :*.net *.split < 1340780959 697125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I suppose any octave-based tuning could be used with VRC7, although since the frequency must be a nine-bit integer, the range may be limited so they might not be in tune. < 1340780979 798287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have already made PPMCK to support custom tuning) < 1340780986 451737 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340781029 126256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, iirc Indian music have quarter-notes < 1340781036 50174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember the the details though < 1340781091 128493 :trout!~root@c-98-234-180-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340781091 327379 :stanley!~stanley@82.11.210.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340781092 37471 :stanley!~stanley@82.11.210.70 QUIT :Changing host < 1340781092 273633 :stanley!~stanley@unaffiliated/stanley JOIN :#esoteric < 1340781126 680520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPMCK only supports up to sixteen notes per octave though, due to the way the lookup tables are programmed. < 1340781151 285285 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you need to improve that < 1340781252 978413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPMCK only makes .NSF musics and is has a limited ROM space as well as a limited CPU speed < 1340781289 600264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so optimise it < 1340781406 888961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that. < 1340781479 699073 :trout!~root@c-98-234-180-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1340781479 898384 :trout!~root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1340781899 552686 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340783117 810297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: Go! < 1340785475 410962 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-244.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340785524 529265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340787661 876136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1340788151 899785 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340788517 432589 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340789761 671144 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D633.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340789888 537435 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340795469 489264 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D633.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340795496 930538 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D633.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340795721 797685 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. Found new solution for 90 < 1340795756 891137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No surprise there < 1340795761 293927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's 88 + + < 1340795761 736363 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D633.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340795965 368483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The object-oriented variant of 88. < 1340796275 588153 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1340796288 756639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :88++. < 1340796295 33599 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340796317 845875 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(88++)++ < 1340796341 89858 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i see whats happening < 1340796357 912267 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :88 succ succ < 1340796573 682390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better just to succ it up. < 1340796578 268968 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1340796657 115030 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been studying some actual math today < 1340796710 383048 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat kind < 1340796710 929380 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have no idea how +[+[+>]<<+]> works :) < 1340796721 148605 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it dous. < 1340796724 398120 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*does < 1340796745 283213 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well i don't know if i've read the wikipedia page before, but existential quantifiers < 1340796854 666502 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E x in X P(x), V x in X (Px), ~E x in X P(x), ~V x in X (Px) < 1340796863 300159 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where E is a backwards E < 1340796873 819769 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and V is an upside down A < 1340796912 511688 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :∃, ∀ < 1340796977 169633 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only see the boxes with numbers.. im not sure how to remedy this < 1340796989 509827 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe windows fault < 1340797007 817294 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to add 1 to the cell in the middle every 12 cycles < 1340797009 972157 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cycles < 1340797026 878177 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: whatever font you're using doesn't have those characters < 1340797035 367346 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok i see it in this one < 1340797055 759137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the first and last few cycles. < 1340797078 999929 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive basically been studying control flow < 1340797097 79546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: If I call the cells L, M and R (for left, middle, right), I think it keeps R == 0 as a sentinel, initializes L = 1, C = 3 and then keeps doing L += 3, C += 1 until L wraps around. (Or, rather, L += 2, C += 1, ***, L += 1 where *** is the point where L's wraparound is noticed.) < 1340797099 290845 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a setup to 2 < 1340797108 750813 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i arrived at a page about McCarthy Formalism < 1340797114 317576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: (At least based on how it starts; I haven't checked how it ends.) < 1340797115 482813 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it set's the cell to 2 and then adds one every 12 cycles < 1340797126 832864 :AnotherTest1!~Test@94-224-16-244.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340797127 32346 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-244.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340797138 530519 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-' < 1340797155 635534 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :R is always 0, yes. < 1340797158 936374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: The +'s in the outermost loop always apply to the left cell, while the [+>] construct increments both the left and middle cells. < 1340797173 218821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, except for at the very start, when the first + applies to the middle cell.) < 1340797233 872929 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then shit just got real < 1340797361 324233 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like i'm on the precipice of being an application developer and a computer scientist < 1340797370 169832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:42 ,cc uint8_t L = 1, C = 3; while (L) { L += 3; C++; } printf("%d\n", C); < 1340797373 167642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:42 fizzie: 88 < 1340797377 57368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's what it does, basically. < 1340797389 471511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My previous comment on where the L wraparound is checked was worng.) < 1340797399 41586 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do people do both? < 1340797427 318820 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1340797435 828002 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you do now? what have you done? < 1340797446 612164 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive made trivial apps :P < 1340797480 686269 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, like, theres a reference on this wiki page to Marvin Minsky (1967), Computation: Finite and Infinite Machines < 1340797486 855805 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. cool @fizzie < 1340797491 976735 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably massively overkill on explanation < 1340797509 938008 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if i followed it up i would be going down the rabbit hole < 1340797590 6035 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading one paper by marvin minsky does not make you a computer scientist < 1340797608 808788 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1340797830 786548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++>+[+++<+>]<.! I think it's pretty much the same as this, except saves characters by cleverly getting the setup done somewhat incidentally, and doing that unbalanced loop in place of +>+, which is of course important in getting the setup done. < 1340797831 523254 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :X < 1340798129 520812 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1340798147 829112 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently generating a list of program ranges which I'd like to tackle with a 5k cycle limit. < 1340798174 390355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I meant +<+ in my comment, forgot I had swapped the two cells. < 1340798206 438394 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :To bruteforce every program in a range takes approx 1.5h on an i3 Processor. < 1340798220 557630 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :one core :) < 1340798248 320125 :stanley!~stanley@unaffiliated/stanley QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340798253 168339 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I won't come far on my own :) < 1340798277 962885 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1 range includes 4294967295 programs < 1340798322 459107 :stanley!~stanley@unaffiliated/stanley JOIN :#esoteric < 1340798327 26391 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them not valid brainfuck programs, of course. < 1340798341 960171 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are not interpreted. < 1340798361 299375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 4294967296? I would have expected a 2^N, not 2^N-1. < 1340798381 4045 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340798399 606230 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is ULONG_MAX on a 32bit machine. < 1340798414 715091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are ULONG_MAX+1 values in an unsigned long. < 1340798419 151562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From 0 to ULONG_MAX. < 1340798436 659860 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340798437 653538 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1340798444 692880 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes from 0 to ULONG_MAX < 1340798452 616996 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(i = 0 to limit) < 1340798452 866463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nitpicking is what I do most of the time.) < 1340798469 512697 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where limit is ULONG_MAX < 1340798635 532733 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I thought I publish the program, create a table of ranges in the wiki < 1340798643 423995 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people can sign up for them and let them run < 1340798649 590413 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and publish the results :D < 1340798932 608493 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :first I shall solve some linear first-order inhom. diff. equations. < 1340800036 15555 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the wiki allow to upload text files? < 1340800358 970608 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1340800390 21547 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340800861 687942 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there you go. < 1340801074 665553 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1340801083 54593 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this wiki seems not to like subpages? < 1340801183 283653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen subpages in the User: namespace, at least. But that might be a different thing. < 1340801231 791625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think turning on subpages for the main namespace would be a mistake < 1340801235 289435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1340801276 105548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was in February 2012, though. < 1340801335 944411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very next line, incidentally: because it just encourages people to put programs on the wiki < 1340801383 566867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Esoteric File Archive, if it was somehow more publicly editable, would I guess be the proper place.) < 1340802465 459645 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340802640 969257 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1340802645 170038 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I have to move it :) < 1340802772 274087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a very great sin, but I suppose it's slightly discouraged. Maybe. I don't really have any knowledge on things having to do with the wiki. < 1340802801 495181 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants/Crunchfuck < 1340802862 282069 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i was having a good night but somehow i triggered depression.. maybe i'm too much of a realist < 1340802987 613238 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i have all these cortices in my head designed to process looking at and talking to humans, but days, weeks, years pass just staring at a computer screen < 1340803169 768859 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Quit: Changing server... < 1340803178 1197 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340803595 719459 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340804020 935272 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1340805329 834212 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1340805330 396625 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1340805374 266485 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warwick University's accomodation application offers "British Antarctic Territories" as a nationality. < 1340805391 550968 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for completeness < 1340805424 537779 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it actually /says/ "British Antartic Territories". < 1340805515 171292 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if I'm from gibraltar? < 1340805531 645706 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's certainly covered, isn't it? < 1340805537 601880 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it also has 'England' as a nationality. < 1340805545 19450 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that oil platform that gained independence? < 1340805548 863120 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it has Gibraltarian. < 1340805569 745892 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot the name of it, sorry, but it was something funny < 1340805570 654979 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean Sealand, it has next to no formal recognition and in any case was a fort, not an oil platform. < 1340805583 21632 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for correcting me < 1340805589 553551 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sealand is not on? < 1340805594 518836 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the Basque nationality? < 1340805610 324459 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1340805626 457576 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one could be fun, since they're fighting for recognition since about when the stonehenge was new < 1340805694 285188 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP says Basque nationalism originated in the 19th century,. < 1340805718 208477 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340805721 164991 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It... has Falkland Islander. < 1340805771 391473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antartic... nice < 1340805807 164802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of typos, I once had to put [sic] in a reference list (In my thesis). The paper was from an "Internatonal Conference" < 1340805817 566225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/In/in/ < 1340805821 844403 :blom!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: stop correcting neutrino2000, that's not very polite. < 1340805831 59673 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: given that the earth is only 4000 years old i'd say that's when the stonehenge was built < 1340805856 665064 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340805869 90409 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is blom?? also who is neutrino2000 i guess < 1340805885 620114 :blom!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: guess. < 1340805927 290953 :blom!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am blom entirely by accident < 1340805933 182064 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1340805961 807683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :blom, oklopol? < 1340805971 416700 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any notable absences other than elliott, and you don't sound like elliott; oerjan's not here but I don't think he's normally on at this time? < 1340805983 446072 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, .fi host. < 1340805985 715412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, according to whois this guy is from .fi < 1340805986 462612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340805987 403621 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko then? < 1340805989 693008 :blom!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi NICK :oklopol < 1340805995 631346 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite. < 1340806003 406136 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M NOT NOTABLE HUH < 1340806011 600349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I think you are notable < 1340806016 187079 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)) < 1340806021 56257 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is notable ^^
< 1340806024 726408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, don't let that mean Phantom_Hoover make you sad! < 1340806036 482319 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well notable as in your absence is presently noteworthy. < 1340806048 878934 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1340806056 567019 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm quite random nowadays < 1340806058 879912 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH GOING ON < 1340806113 243211 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK wow, the aforementioned citizenship selection? Doesn't include "United States". < 1340806117 677926 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "US". < 1340806125 516115 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even "America", and that was scraping the barrel. < 1340806133 259635 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait! < 1340806138 598234 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does have "American". < 1340806857 53907 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu[Zzz] < 1340806862 887170 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340806975 419643 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants/Crunchfuck < 1340807291 276297 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a problem that when you pick a range in the middle there is no way to know shortest previous solutions. < 1340807313 454005 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's by design that way. < 1340807338 538532 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a problem though, you just have to filter them out when somebody in a lower range also found a solution for the same number. < 1340808265 89532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.space.com/images/i/4460/original/Apollo-11-Immigration-02.jpg "Departure from: MOON" < 1340808438 962810 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the law really consider the moon a different country? < 1340808443 115447 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats silly < 1340808451 575022 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moon is american land < 1340808484 414574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The article that accompanied the image said they were having one of those "joke" things. < 1340808517 286786 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1340808546 734318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit vague to say just "MOON" when what is asked is "Place and Country". That's about 38 million square kilometres. < 1340808625 237298 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not so big. in the middle of the night when it's full, i can cover it with my thumb, arm extended < 1340808652 721964 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Any other condition on board which may lead to the spread of disease: TO BE DETERMINED" < 1340808666 946622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they *did* sit in a quarantine for some weeks. < 1340808673 208735 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1340808674 752705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all those MOON GERMS. < 1340808678 257961 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't wanna get moonpox < 1340808845 400046 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a brainfuck derivative with distributed message-passing < 1340808849 403359 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :called clusterfuck < 1340808895 353997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there should be a brainfick derivative" is the objectively best initial substring a sentence can have. < 1340808909 755492 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1340809018 150433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's new newsgroup at the local Usenet server: alt.paul-derbyshire.fix.it.now. (The client reports all new groups.) < 1340812837 175043 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.114.184.27 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340814176 304944 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Your C2BF online yet? < 1340814492 784973 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1340814565 429503 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is egobot umlboxed yet? < 1340814608 636808 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Do you have an hg bundle for bfjoust to use the new scoring system yet? < 1340814665 966456 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i dont know how. anyway, it only needs to change like four files, and they are all in that archive i gave you. < 1340814678 566687 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... you gave me an archive??? < 1340814687 72604 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, hg can't make sure you have clapack installed can it? < 1340814688 671802 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we just talked about how to send it and then I never got an actual link. < 1340814726 679058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh nope, definitely gave you a link sometime last weekish < 1340814738 792510 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have @tell'd it? < 1340814762 832533 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1340814763 560250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia said 5d 14h 48m 56s ago: http://www.filedropper.com/newbfjousttar and ask about the bug in gearlance < 1340814766 159379 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......... < 1340814770 107953 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: WHY WAS I NOT INFORMED < 1340814803 405138 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said something to the channel just moment after i sent that as i recall < 1340814810 590655 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'd assumed you'd seen it < 1340814820 488870 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So about how that link seems dead >_> < 1340814838 303265 :AnotherTest1!~Test@94-224-16-244.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh I no longer understand my new esolang < 1340814846 40357 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they delete files if no one downloads them :P < 1340814868 773008 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll reupload in a minute < 1340815023 916537 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no, I havn't been able to access my computer since last saturday < 1340815102 603813 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.114.184.27 PART :#esoteric < 1340815113 564576 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.114.184.27 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340817554 687496 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Do you have a github account, so I can at least point the guy there and say "it should appear here sometime" X-D < 1340817568 962586 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDude < 1340817765 758039 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340817833 600735 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340817877 814901 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340818115 484688 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1340818148 56638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1340818508 172745 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes. JuEeHa < 1340818629 552448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340818929 938356 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340819359 512093 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340819758 509311 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.78 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340819794 477394 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.114.184.27 QUIT :Quit: john_metcalf < 1340820945 743974 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow *squeaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueak* < 1340820946 736138 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02*03s04q05u06e07a08k09s02q03u04e05a06k07s08q09u02e03a04k05s06q07u08e09a02k03s04q05u06e07a08k09s02q03u04e05a06k07s08q09u02e03a04k05s06q07u08e09a02k03* < 1340821076 524122 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340821093 687397 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1340821168 637033 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks better if each color is repeated for 2 chars before switching < 1340821182 582994 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: get on that, will you? < 1340821183 604100 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i used to have some ostensible reason for visiting somewhere. " i'm giving you an illusionary effect of adding 2 to t < 1340821693 303765 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow ^rainbow ^rainbow < 1340821694 168490 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02^03r04a05i06n07b08o09w02 03^04r05a06i07n08b09o02w < 1340821724 104881 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf_textgen ^rainbow < 1340821733 904312 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it < 1340821739 120074 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen ^rainbow < 1340821754 631344 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1340821755 79530 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1340821761 202949 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen ^rainbow < 1340821764 903702 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​93 +++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>+><<<<-]>+++.>---.<+++.>---------.+++++.<+.>+.++++++++.>---. [505] < 1340821778 699500 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow ^bf +++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>+><<<<-]>+++.>---.<+++.>---------.+++++.<+.>+.++++++++.>---. < 1340821779 686572 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02^03b04f05 06+07+08+09+02+03+04+05+06+07+08+09+02+03[04>05+06+07+08+09+02+03+04>05+06+07+08+09+02+03+04+05+06>07+08>09<02<03<04<05-06]07>08+09+02+03.04>05 ... < 1340821796 393492 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow !bf +++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>+><<<<-]>+++.>---.<+++.>---------.+++++.<+.>+.++++++++.>---. < 1340821797 382684 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02!03b04f05 06+07+08+09+02+03+04+05+06+07+08+09+02+03[04>05+06+07+08+09+02+03+04>05+06+07+08+09+02+03+04+05+06>07+08>09<02<03<04<05-06]07>08+09+02+03.04>05 ... < 1340821851 592164 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :あきらめる… < 1340822006 987319 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen ^rainbow hello < 1340822008 996974 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​147 ++++++++++[>+>+++>+++++++++>+++++++++<<<<-]>>>>++++.++++++++++++++++++++.<+++++++.>---------.+++++.<+.>+.++++++++.<<++.>++++++.---.+++++++..+++.<<. [981] < 1340822018 928260 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++++++[>+>+++>+++++++++>+++++++++<<<<-]>>>>++++.++++++++++++++++++++.<+++++++.>---------.+++++.<+.>+.++++++++.<<++.>++++++.---.+++++++..+++.<<. < 1340822020 616414 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^rainbow hello < 1340822038 845368 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guesss the bots are protected against triggering each other < 1340822045 671490 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a nick blacklist < 1340822128 459375 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :That feel < 1340822128 861748 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka_: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1340822137 897719 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :when your VPS provider gives you a 5.0.0.0/8-range IP < 1340822142 952719 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you want to host a Minecraft server < 1340822146 283449 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your players run Hamachi. < 1340822156 353815 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1340822165 712561 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get better players < 1340822208 927723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: fungot has an ignore list, some (Gregor-bots?) also add a zero-width space in front of output so it doesn't trigger commands. < 1340822209 883263 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: afk for a while) < 1340822251 355561 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, that's a clever trick < 1340822276 787160 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :© 2011 Gregor Richards, all rights reserved < 1340822287 431843 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1340822292 863358 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only adds it when the first character doesn't match [a-zA-Z0-9], btw. < 1340822293 62621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: US patent #? < 1340822304 704317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even fancier. < 1340822428 99808 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a DNS hack to add a fallback IP address? < 1340822434 886281 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :as we have a 5.0.0.0/8-range IP :< < 1340822568 362884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no Hamachi expert, but I've a feeling that you're just SOL no matter what DNS trickery you do, since it sounds likely Hamachi eats all 5/8 routing, and that's the IP your user eventually needs to communicate with. < 1340822736 844919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A manual single-IP route for your IP (with the default gateway) sounds possibly worky, but hard to configure, and would need to be done by the affected user. < 1340823021 552257 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1340823035 439046 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the problem is, most European VPS providers are ONLY offering 5.0.0.0/8 now < 1340823043 124141 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and LogMeIn will probably not bother fixing it < 1340823056 194365 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially LogeMeIn will blame it on my provider and my provider will blame it on LogMeIn < 1340823057 279064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The new #haskell, eh? < 1340823064 9918 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the guy who has a dedi which hosts my VPS doesn't want to deal with tech supportr < 1340823121 823602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340823191 396306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LogMeIn can blame providers until they turn blue, doesn't make their address land grab any more legitimate. < 1340823464 335637 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what do I do? < 1340823482 743037 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an early representative of the newly emerging group of Screwed IP Owners < 1340823496 55077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340823545 658948 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there reserved ranges they could've grabbed so long as they obviously don't care about rules X_X < 1340823557 450933 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, y'know, take some IPs from IBM :) < 1340823575 439276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think your options are somewhat limited to noisy complaining. Though there's a couple of those on the LogMeIn community forums already, and it doesn't seem to help. < 1340823620 437553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the usual private IP blocks, but they didn't want conflicts with people's LANs. (I guess conflicts with the Internet are better.) < 1340823633 408898 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone use 10.128.0.0/9? < 1340823636 857853 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Really? < 1340823649 930230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might. < 1340823673 331051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, it's just below 128. But it was an arbitrarily chosen byte. < 1340823682 455455 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :127? < 1340823683 55742 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340823699 508873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's below 128 because it's the ASCII 'f' for 'fizzie'. < 1340823745 633271 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol < 1340823773 421155 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess stophamachi.org time? < 1340823782 61756 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340823785 709185 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait. < 1340823788 972960 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :The target won't even get there. < 1340823897 907721 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. Tommi Paalanen's last name ends with "la" *and* "nen". < 1340823965 765289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: shocking! < 1340823968 253687 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although "paa" doesn't seem to be a word. Maybe it's supposed to be Päälänen. < 1340824006 754370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moilanen is a more common surname (8571 current owners) and also does. < 1340824036 579331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(589 for Paalanen.) < 1340824068 599890 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :My lifetime goal is to move to Finland and register cka.fi. < 1340824309 926754 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a really pathetic goal. < 1340824323 583485 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite hobby is placing objects on top of cars. < 1340824332 223216 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY lifetime goal is to figure out who bought libc.so, find him, and "convince" him to sell it to me on the cheap. < 1340824365 734385 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that kind of thing public information? < 1340824384 689993 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also by 'on the cheap' I presume you mean like $10,000. < 1340824399 273989 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc.so, the domain name. < 1340824413 105873 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, you weren't there? < 1340824423 282800 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor had money set aside and everything. < 1340824434 294037 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of money, despite what he claims. < 1340824460 216748 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The registrar has one of those "domain privacy" systems, so technically the owner is the registrar, and they're on file. < 1340824703 918880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You just start a lawsuit against a John Doe, ask for discovery against the registrar, and subpoena them. Or something like that. (If it works for people making money out of copyright lawsuit threat settlements...) < 1340824714 156458 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340824724 517549 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only tiny minor issue is that nothing they've done is even borderline illegal ;) < 1340824764 924491 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: try the link again < 1340824816 965481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but the courts certainly don't check that, or expect evidence. They always drop the suits after they've subpoenaed the IP -> name, address mappings out of the ISPs in question. < 1340824822 358634 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Got it. < 1340824956 595126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of Hamachi and reserved ranges, there's still that whole 240/4 block (that's like 16 /8s) that's reserved for future extensions. But maybe they were worried there'd be technical issues there. < 1340824987 639550 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1340825139 38312 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340825586 536451 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technical issues involved in assigning the 240 block? < 1340826099 559116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technical issues involved in just starting to use it. I suppose some sanity checks might barf at such addresses. < 1340826144 165452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :insane sanity checks, the best kind < 1340826170 68795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the 5/8 addresses are perfectly kosher. (They just belong to someone else.) < 1340826196 893612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :could those someone else sue them? < 1340826276 905323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at least not completely impossible. Interfering with their legitimate business and whatnot. But I'm not a lawyer. < 1340826318 242609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one forum posting where the author said he'd received a reply from LogMeIn that they're working on a "fix", but no details or ETA. < 1340826367 338080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their "fix" might be just to fall-back to public internet for non-existing Hamachi IPs, and then hoping there won't be conflicts. < 1340826535 852287 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340826703 826095 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1340826720 312030 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues stalking kmc.
< 1340826726 723156 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1340826730 107992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek, prepare for incoming prepromorphisms < 1340826746 28623 :AnotherTest1!~Test@94-224-16-244.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340826769 396900 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just got back from an open day at Oxford < 1340826820 728955 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :while guilty of packaging up the only libraries for manipulating prepromorphisms, i don't actually like or use them ;) < 1340826861 695441 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :here i'd be more likely to ramble on about generalized de bruijn indices and locally nameless syntax tree representations < 1340826877 875181 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i guess the effect on the audience would be largely indistinguishable < 1340826897 868989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's just until you manage to combine them... < 1340826931 749566 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i _do_ have catamorphisms for tearing down such generalized de bruijn indices, just i've never bothered to build a version of a prepro or postpromorphism ;) < 1340826962 886289 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can appeal to neal ghani's "initial algebra semantics are enough" to work with them even though the ADT isn't uniform < 1340826972 836541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While guilty of packaging up the only library for manipulating family trees, I really love and try to make them :) < 1340826980 87831 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :=) < 1340826990 797977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Their "fix" might be just to fall-back to public internet for non-existing Hamachi IPs, and then hoping there won't be conflicts. <-- why don't they just switch to a different range? < 1340827007 320231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 10.something < 1340827021 258830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think your family fits into a tree, someone has been hiding secrets from you < 1340827022 215413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even need a whole /8 for a VPN, that is kind of silly < 1340827039 249748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a /16 seems reasonable to me. < 1340827045 132962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a /20 perhaps < 1340827082 606914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there is no need to conform to the old class sizes after all) < 1340827092 787036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they could go ipv6 < 1340827094 826965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: AIUI, their "VPN" is a global thing. You're supposed to be able to connect to other Hamachi hosts, and the addresses are globally unique. (But I might be wrong.) < 1340827095 558573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hedwardk! < 1340827101 706242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340827105 302039 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :hachaf < 1340827110 707221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note, the signature of these has changed, because it was insufficiently general, [...]" < 1340827115 877272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, seems like a pointless VPN then. Since it takes the P out of VPN < 1340827131 922600 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that a quote of me from somewhere? =) < 1340827145 50509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/a/5058725/1088108 < 1340827158 205752 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1340827191 783656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, it's transparently encryptamated and stuffs, plus handles NAT traversal. And it might have some sort of smaller networks. I really only know what I've gleaned from random reading. < 1340827203 959724 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to wander around and mingle, brb < 1340827204 462082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1340827207 155527 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340827211 693137 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the non-tree-iness of family trees is why nobody likes implementing them < 1340827225 153547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, their official reason for not going with 10/8 is that too many people have LANs in there. < 1340827231 220707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka_, you had the issue right? Why not switch to a different VPN solution, such as OpenVPN? < 1340827251 297028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was his users. < 1340827261 129921 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal - no < 1340827263 242367 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my users did < 1340827265 576424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they just need to install openvpn as well < 1340827266 974787 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :some have to use VPN < 1340827275 90192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka_, for minecraft? come on < 1340827282 986967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no need for NAT traversal there < 1340827285 602036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a little known secret that monogamy was invented by really angry genealogists to simplify things < 1340827347 451213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Presumably they need it for other things. Whatever it's good for. And you can't really unilaterally switch VPN solutions, the other end needs to cooperate. < 1340827432 472267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, since hamachi is broken (not following IANA assignments) I don't see why any self-respecting server admin would support it < 1340827444 345722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hamachi has some sort of zero-conf dealie, and doesn't (AIUI, again) need any participant to have a clearly defined server role. < 1340827469 637376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might b "slightly" difficult to convince all your friends to switch to OpenVPN or whatever. < 1340827482 892196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, he has a server (VPS I think he said?), he can provide the such a server role < 1340827530 295885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway configuring OpenVPN is easy enough. By far easier than setting up IPsec for example. < 1340827591 620308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, another trivially easy option would be ssh tunneling btw < 1340827615 320477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is quite easy to create limited accounts) < 1340827657 325748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If he just has user X who uses Hamachi to do stuffs with the user's friends A, B and C who otherwise won't have anything to do with him, I doubt (a) he's be interested in doing VPN for them, and (b) A, B, C switching to some random dude's VPN mess. < 1340827663 524142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway since he can't provide hamachi he might just as well provide openvpn as an option if they are that interested in his server < 1340827710 458676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm, if they only happen to need hamachi for other stuff (rather than his server) and that thus collides that would be easy to solve < 1340827727 328107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just something like ip route dev eth0 I /think/ < 1340827739 590764 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me, can anyone recommend a Scala tutorial? < 1340827750 287801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the routing table works by most specific first, right? < 1340827808 590668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It would need the gateway address, not just "dev eth0", and that's often dynamic. Also, from general statistics random users are nontechnical Windows users. (I did suggest a single-IP route.) < 1340827824 201655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it is ip route add to eth0 (or wlan0 or whatever your non-hamachi thingy is) < 1340827830 812047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm, okay true < 1340827842 94830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can just look at your default route to figure out what the gateway is < 1340827894 417208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway I'm pretty sure you can add custom routes under windows from within the adapter properties < 1340827913 764134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could just provide a screenshot guide < 1340827928 92094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone can follow those < 1340827967 115946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I'd just complain. It's likely they'll invent *some* kind of terrible workaround sooner or later. < 1340827974 641161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340828011 670891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :another option: write a tiny windows program that does this for the user. Very simple to use: just double click and okay the UAC warning < 1340828053 312778 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340828103 302473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't sound too simple to write, though, even assuming it's okey just to support from XP to 7. < 1340828124 687025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you would need to read some API docs sure < 1340828136 32405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows APIs aren't always the most pleasant. < 1340828144 153999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if things like AICCU manages to mess around with such things... < 1340828167 89850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that only messes with ipv6 routing, but the process should be similar) < 1340828200 685259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, what APIs do commands like ip route use under linux... < 1340828202 942735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1340828210 276927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Netlink. < 1340828216 989209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's perfectly horrible. < 1340828226 749684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also really badly documented. < 1340828230 3487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiight < 1340828246 107667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1340828260 20000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what did they use to do? iirc netlink was added during 2.6? < 1340828269 970243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also all kinds of outdated ioctl-based duplicate ways of doing some of the same things, that ipconfig/route use. < 1340828292 763084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm under the impression iproute is fully (rt)netlink-based. < 1340828311 752829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the old route command doesn't use netlink indeed < 1340828324 11340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ipconfig? < 1340828326 834014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean ifconfig? < 1340828330 249679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifconfig, yes. < 1340828335 290943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ipconfig is windows < 1340828341 481903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1340828356 554800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway ifconfig is much nicer if you just want to check ip and mac and what not for your network adapters < 1340828374 500940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'ip' tool itself is kind of awkward if you go to esoteric enough things. < 1340828381 333905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1340828401 344188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's undocumented stuffs and such. < 1340828404 225981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you mean stuff like bonding? < 1340828410 773105 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is undocumented things? Really? < 1340828414 116343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as? < 1340828483 995796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't see the point of netlink. Why a special socket type just to configure networking? Using ioctls seems so much cleaner for this < 1340828544 125080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv6 neighbour-discovery proxy stuff is/was quite a mess. The netlink API lets you add stuff, but there's no way to list what you've added, for example. < 1340828560 878133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :neighbour-discovery proxy stuff? huh? < 1340828562 433436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1340828586 126932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something rather uncommon. It's like proxy-ARP but for IPv6. < 1340828595 469859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what proxy-ARP is < 1340828642 596110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, just read a bit on wikipedia about it < 1340828656 203439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds vaguely familiar < 1340828677 682136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's when you configure one box to say "hey, I'm here" for ARP requests to boxes "behind" it, because the other end is not interested in configuring routing rules, just route a /X to the network that your proxy-ARP box is connected to. < 1340828681 121398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, this seems open to security issues < 1340828750 297851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The cleaner way would of course be if they'd just route some a/b with your box as the gateway, so that you could then just forward.) < 1340828762 30048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1340828826 136718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm mobile ip uses it? < 1340828832 124899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who uses mobile ip... < 1340828845 421230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there's a RFC so it's a respectable technique. :p < 1340828875 434864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the security issues seem rampant with it though < 1340828888 558181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use this on a normal network for DoS easily < 1340828947 949778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not really a *proxy*-ARP security issue, just an ARP one. < 1340828991 18981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, true < 1340829000 570774 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340829031 92808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm suddenly left wondering how many working, actively used IPX networks there are around. < 1340829049 657855 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dear Dr [oklopol], Thank you very much for reviewing the manuscript entitled [stuff]. Following your advice this paper has been rejected." thanks, totally wanted to know :D < 1340829078 613671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only real secure way is to statically configure the ARP cache in your switch and then make it filter ARP messages? < 1340829087 63941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1340829098 478721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or just use end-to-end IPsec with authentication. < 1340829111 407716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'll notice pretenders. < 1340829119 861936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you could still cause DoS in a switch < 1340829121 181584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Are you actually a Dr. oklopol? < 1340829161 430426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, yes. But you could also connect the switch port to 230V AC and cause a DoS issue. < 1340829190 999781 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1340829276 115141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's certain amount of trust involved in an Ethernet network. I ecpect you could also collide everything (or selected packets if you're real fast) to stop traffic. < 1340829300 565529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"certain amount" < 1340829335 150487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, but imagine you run a data center, one attack is possible if any of your customer's servers are compromised. The other requires physical access < 1340829344 183068 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no. < 1340829350 723179 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i'm a loser < 1340829381 237654 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess they just assume the referees are usually phds or something, and don't bother to personalize < 1340829423 38598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway you can't collide a switched network as far as I know? And there is full duplex to the switch. You could overload it (unless there was QoS of course), but not collide. < 1340829425 83312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It's also polite to do the mistakes only upwards. I've gotten some "Prof. [fizzie]" emails. < 1340829433 857541 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340829450 821678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, an ARP attack seems like a larger issue than the ones you suggested < 1340829625 520395 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear all powerful divine ruler of heavens [recipient] < 1340829670 341520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think managed switches do mitigate some ARP problems. But I'm no networkist. And it probably depends on the competence of the data centre staff. < 1340829686 198390 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: have you ever gotten "Free Publication Invitation"s? < 1340829688 453173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340829695 214921 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we got one some weeks back < 1340829723 634225 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence < 1340829725 889549 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340829743 420617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: What does one do? < 1340829745 501729 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on our paper on CA which had nothing to do with computation < 1340829773 290097 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i don't understand the quesiton < 1340829777 249522 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*question < 1340829797 882165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, managed switches can be kind of crazy sometimes. When I did my bachelor thesis I needed to get a phone on a guest net communicating with a server on the secure network of that company. The network guys spent hours to try to get it to work with various routing in their top router and what not, only to find that some previous network admin had setup some filters in the access point itself. I saw h < 1340829798 81176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sitting in some crazy Cisco setup program < 1340829805 639946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked really complicated < 1340829811 590969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was for a switch < 1340829817 66066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the router one looked even worse < 1340829903 57697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Oh, so it's like "we'd like to publish this paper"? < 1340829904 838238 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i was just wondering if it's a thing or if it's the weirdest spam ever < 1340829913 113565 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, what did you think < 1340829919 960809 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1340829921 197873 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340829923 410916 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just < 1340829933 422817 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd like to publish some new paper of yours. < 1340829947 822409 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we really liked this paper of yours which has nothing to do with our journal < 1340829987 435013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Right, *that* is what I thought. It sounds reasonably legitimate, as long as they're not offering a free pass through peer review too. < 1340829990 814 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was in a publication many of whose articles could certainly go to the free publication offering journal) < 1340830017 108334 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your paper will be published with no charge if accepted. < 1340830056 513766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no charge? Why do they even have to point that out... < 1340830061 354115 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the offer stands for 3 more days. < 1340830072 406239 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, journals usually cost something to publish in < 1340830082 678592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? really? huh < 1340830095 504176 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, peer review is so hard to do. < 1340830108 247352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it does involve some work certainly... < 1340830117 402489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not *always*. I don't know how it is on the math side, though. < 1340830119 341793 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least to do it properly) < 1340830131 313012 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm constantly doing peer review free of charge < 1340830139 906564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1340830150 998565 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so dunno where the costs come really < 1340830175 390504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEEE journals generally, AFAIK, only charge if you have too many pages. < 1340830178 670154 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i have zero journal publications, so i know rather little < 1340830192 182984 :cheater_!~cheater@p50897809.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340830196 414059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what expenses does a journal have? You need like a web site, an editor. There are printing costs unless it is an online publication I guess < 1340830213 841315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :subscription costs should cover that, surely? < 1340830222 151658 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely < 1340830250 477656 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :universities subscribe to everything in the world < 1340830258 49018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they tend to do that < 1340830258 696766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Given how big the subscription costs are, you'd *think* so. But there's some work in running the review stuff even if the actual reviewers are free. < 1340830270 261987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the thing I will miss most from university is the IEEE xplore access < 1340830276 265590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how to manage without that! < 1340830300 921925 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that would suck < 1340830399 378096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEEE "computing library" package ("core journals" + limited downloads to "key articles" from Xplore) is only $21995/year, you could buy that. < 1340830408 725188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1340830411 116425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that much? < 1340830423 85771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is insane < 1340830438 845407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much profit IEEE has on that < 1340830447 54493 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit :D < 1340830468 984050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$49795 for the "all-society periodicals package". < 1340830471 938863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I need to write a script to dump everything I can or so < 1340830487 698482 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah was just thinking that < 1340830490 443558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably against the access terms. < 1340830494 209850 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case i get fired < 1340830495 772350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1340830514 741852 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i will, i haven't proved anything this week. < 1340830522 223765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340830525 74427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even want to guesstimate how much the unlimited-period archive access is. < 1340830547 131563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$64495 for online access to all IEEE conference proceedings. < 1340830574 882067 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does IEEE cover? is that like, all the boring CS? < 1340830587 105443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much. < 1340830595 846556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about ACM? < 1340830598 383814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also other engineering. < 1340830604 896760 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewwww < 1340830613 204867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what does ACM cost? < 1340830623 529930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used IEEE way more than ACM though < 1340830652 558968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ACM had somewhat more reasonable fees for a single person. For an institution, it's probably something absurd. < 1340830673 315431 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow you can put your articles on your own page even if you publish them, at least with most publishers < 1340830686 670328 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't get why anyone wouldn't < 1340830706 191931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With IEEE you sort-of can, with some restrictions. < 1340830745 125680 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the springer copyright form i always have to sign at least lets you do that (it's always a slightly different form for some reason) < 1340830745 361896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? what restrictions? < 1340830756 334662 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but with what seems to be the same data) < 1340830769 246741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've forgotten the details. At least you have to tell them about it. < 1340830782 468397 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just put my articles up as such and hope i don't get in trouble. < 1340830783 877765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, telling them about it seems reasonable < 1340830790 944062 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you should change the name or something < 1340830822 591388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEEE copyright assignment form is an actual copyright assignment; with some of the others, you just grant them a non-exclusive license. < 1340830838 326048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1340830844 983786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't want to publish there then < 1340830863 281308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the latter case you can obvsly put them wherever. < 1340830883 333827 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i talked to my supervisor about the springer copyright and he was like huh, you actually read that? < 1340830885 669393 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340830903 515563 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340830910 49068 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for springer, you can't publish elsewhere for a year < 1340830911 709843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway how does that work internationally, iirc you can't sign away copyright in Swedish law (you can sign away the monetary rights, but not the artistic or intellectual rights) < 1340830917 70948 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess it assigns copyright < 1340830938 794961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It could also be an exclusive sort of license contract. < 1340830967 252548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have zero idea about the actual legalities. But that's what their form says, anyway. < 1340830972 433162 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1340830986 987291 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.fi/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=springer%20copyright&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CFkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.springer.com%2Fcda%2Fcontent%2Fdocument%2Fcda_downloaddocument%2Fcopyrightlncs.pdf%3FSGWID%3D0-0-45-154182-0&ei=7XTrT_-ROYfasgaSuaieBg&usg=AFQjCNGIqEDAa4JGXh7hI6AzPvkShTLv1w < 1340830991 846022 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :link to the pdf < 1340830995 857254 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how pretty. < 1340831004 202160 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why through google? why not direct? < 1340831013 546906 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340831022 389457 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because clicking on that downloaded that so it was faster like this < 1340831045 673181 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i never remember google has all my search history and the color of my underpants encoded in the url < 1340831101 865970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Some Helsinki University library budget mentions they spent one million euros for an "Elsevier package", and about two million in the first half of the year for journal subscriptions and e-books. < 1340831112 9596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I wonder if there is a web site that allows you to easily extract what is known of the structure of that < 1340831124 185810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is a random meeting memo so it's a bit vague.) < 1340831133 61227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I have no idea what the ei=7XTrT_-ROYfasgaSuaieBg bit means for example < 1340831137 164542 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1340831140 577614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the q= is obviously the search term < 1340831154 531796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Elsevier? < 1340831188 759202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ebooks? < 1340831196 5943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a big publishing company. < 1340831203 113145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of journals. < 1340831204 239796 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil one < 1340831235 310351 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil-seer < 1340831285 437205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ACM digital library is $2000 to $17462 for an academic institution, depending on your "Tier". (Basically, amount of usage.) < 1340831289 669130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1340831304 407173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :these numbers are so crazy < 1340831357 249760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Actually I have a (second-author) paper in an Elsevier journal that just two weeks ago got the final acceptance letter. < 1340831371 244960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They asked some bizarre questions. < 1340831376 265031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what? < 1340831508 729229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://sprunge.us/cOhM -- nothing too strange, but that's a pretty random list. < 1340831535 574754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know if Arthritis Research UK < 1340831544 620388 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :us government is on springers thing too < 1340831547 217045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :funds a lot of speech recognition work. < 1340831574 282745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the British Heart Foundation. < 1340831597 773092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why that specific list I wonder < 1340831629 346505 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay the last part if very weird < 1340831644 559752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what "Telethon Italy" is... I can only find Italian pages when googling < 1340831774 927660 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D633.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340831788 608816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is up with the line breaks and the leading + in that paste btw? < 1340831814 5779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Email client line-wrap indicator. < 1340831819 5659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340831852 101095 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather dumb line wrapping, doesn't even handle the indentation correctly < 1340831879 609391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it should. < 1340831916 436497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1340831963 361295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, the android youtube app seems to be devoid of the usual youtube ads. How surprising < 1340831966 406523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like e.g. Emacs would add empty space at start of continuation lines even if the lines were indented, either. < 1340832179 370640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1340832192 165526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, LaTeX would though < 1340832322 345311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's different kind of line wrapping. This was just from edge of terminal, with a continuation line indicator. < 1340832361 317302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps mutt has some actual wrap-to-specified-width functionality too, not sure. < 1340832943 482590 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, should I try to learn Java, or should I go back to Python? < 1340832947 41108 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU DECIDE < 1340832957 714853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, why those two languages? < 1340832968 921128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not something like x86 asm or haskell? < 1340832977 344340 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on Haskell at the moment < 1340832986 542342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, so x86 asm it is then < 1340832987 810167 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the man said an imperative language would help < 1340832993 1301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what man? < 1340833012 19238 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wwwapps.ups.com/WebTracking/track?HTMLVersion=5.0&loc=xx-XX&trackNums=1Z317F350356043847&track.y=10l < 1340833014 945395 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The man at the Oxford University Open Day in the Computer Science section < 1340833017 43905 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they just give my package to hookers now. < 1340833027 712518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, err, they would help with what? < 1340833044 390703 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First year, there's a module of Scala < 1340833051 897237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :java is only useful because it is faster than python and runs on many platforms. Such as Android < 1340833057 942363 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the man wanted to teach everyone Scala < 1340833083 86063 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he said Java and/or Python are good background < 1340833096 821199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtually all Java programming I have done has either been for android, or server and desktop software to complement those android programs < 1340833122 741196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1340833547 9627 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, best plan: learn Scala. < 1340833550 406110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: x86 asm is certainly very imperative, FWIW. < 1340833556 721372 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that's the long term plan < 1340833572 920648 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Short term plan is to avoid Scala as much at possible < 1340833598 956903 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but that's more blow-y up launch all the missiles than C! < 1340833614 733020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Medium-term plan is to paradoxically both learn *and* avoid Scala. < 1340833690 537117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's alwaysthe coin-flip solution. < 1340833713 754107 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, medium term plan is to learn enough about the emperors from Tiberius to Domitian such that I don't regret my option choices < 1340833752 98139 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Option choices for what? < 1340833773 816966 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A levels < 1340833787 297990 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in Scotland so you call them silly things like "Highers" < 1340833816 536955 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait I forget, are you in your last year of school now or not. < 1340833821 439940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Highlanders. There can be only one (choice). < 1340833823 337754 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORT OF < 1340833825 504962 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Highers ~ AS-levels. < 1340833834 562496 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will be certainly in September < 1340833838 639454 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVEN HIGHERS < 1340833847 177382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there ASS levels, too? < 1340833865 989751 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it goes AS to A2 for some stupid reason < 1340833888 634360 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advanced Highers are A2 but better. < 1340834016 811182 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, Python is available on Mac OS X /and/ Unix systems! < 1340834018 812774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some sort of letter code for foreign languages depending on how early you started them. I think I had A1 Swedish, A2 English and B2 German. < 1340834034 201360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, also windows < 1340834043 625423 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, besides the point < 1340834043 891913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, and java is available on that and many more platforms < 1340834046 84717 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And FreeBSD! < 1340834048 172426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as J2ME < 1340834050 471486 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Solaris! < 1340834051 454332 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Linux! < 1340834059 795138 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ruined it :) < 1340834061 253507 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1340834064 683732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Java is available only on the Atari 5200, I think. < 1340834068 265188 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaah xkcd is right < 1340834070 365403 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaah < 1340834071 950060 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaah < 1340834077 536499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1340834078 533766 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1340834088 820827 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :smileys and parentheses < 1340834095 910982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1340834119 51589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember such an xkcd < 1340834121 269671 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's awkward to fit smilies at the end of parenthetical statements. < 1340834125 648142 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/541/ < 1340834126 952923 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was after it went to shit. < 1340834129 449037 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1340834132 268791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1340834138 601432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is something like :D or :P < 1340834159 838042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P) can look like a malformed nose too. < 1340834176 668479 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how about this :C) < 1340834182 348650 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still a nose, dammit < 1340834189 978151 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how about C:) < 1340834195 135627 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPSIDE DOWN AAARGH < 1340834217 1237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what about -_- style smilies < 1340834221 599863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-rotated that is < 1340834231 126867 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pretty good ^_^) < 1340834282 41284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I don't know a non-rotated equivalent to ":)" though < 1340834481 839502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts on his birthday hat <:)
< 1340834624 353894 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're like 60 now? < 1340834637 763219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, closer. < 1340834645 440759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy oerjan++ ! < 1340834655 403694 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340834666 541296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Don't worry, soon you'll be getting farther and farther from 60 every birthday. < 1340834683 466951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"soon". < 1340834704 573523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thanks < 1340834760 94532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: In ^_^) the paren looks like some sort of an ear thing. < 1340834769 823445 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god < 1340834778 437947 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What have you done, Randall < 1340834783 178721 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT HAVE YOU DONE! < 1340834815 375020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doomed our civilization, that's what < 1340834846 354087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is a phone < 1340834849 613788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: When it's chri... I mean, year-end-holiday-time, you can just concatenate an asterisk to get a thematically appropriate *<:) hat. < 1340834849 811885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ) that is < 1340834867 220588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And ^_^D is a N-gage owner. < 1340835076 356795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1340835600 73384 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.78 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340835690 16474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1340836241 433782 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1340837302 178493 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight! < 1340837306 970337 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340837835 909928 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-151.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340837847 757398 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-83.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1340838125 268853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, night too < 1340838368 693952 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340838389 913663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340838706 971241 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340838749 351390 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>+)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*15>>(>--[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*9([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%14[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*9([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%14[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*9([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%14[-]][+][-])*22])%28]++)*22>(-)*115[-][+][-] < 1340838771 720260 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot? < 1340838784 277662 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prods EgoBot
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ACTION chops EgoBot =====/‾\
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