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Here's a spork for ya. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/dUBN. 03:11:39 !bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(-)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]++)*24 03:11:42 Score for quintopia_brachiation: 46.8 03:11:52 !bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]++)*24 03:11:55 Score for quintopia_brachiation: 47.3 03:11:59 interest 03:12:04 oh 03:12:09 hm 03:14:15 !bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(+)*5([-{[(-)*25[+]]}[-]])%10[+]][-][+])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(+)*5([-{[(-)*25[+]]}[-]])%10[+]][-][+])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(+)*5([-{[(-)*25[+]]}[-]])%10[+]][-][+])*22]++)*24 03:14:18 Score for quintopia_brachiation: 46.2 03:14:35 so _sensitive_ 03:14:53 !bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]++)*24 03:14:56 Score for quintopia_brachiation: 47.3 03:15:22 !bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(-)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]-)*24 03:15:25 Score for quintopia_brachiation: 25.3 03:15:29 !bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(-)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]--)*24 03:15:32 Score for quintopia_brachiation: 44.7 03:15:44 !bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]++)*24 03:15:47 Score for quintopia_brachiation: 47.3 03:28:26 -!- Patashu has joined. 03:39:10 -!- Frooxius|TabletP has joined. 03:39:16 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:39:42 -!- augur has joined. 03:44:08 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:45:11 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 04:31:12 -!- asiekierka has joined. 05:15:03 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 05:18:08 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 05:25:06 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 05:38:21 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:45:43 -!- MoALTz has joined. 05:51:11 -!- aloril has joined. 05:56:17 -!- sebbu has joined. 05:56:18 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 05:56:18 -!- sebbu has joined. 05:59:41 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:00:31 monqy, tswett UPDATE 06:30:34 nooga: you are on a train? 06:30:46 oops i forgot to scroll down 06:46:10 -!- Taneb has joined. 06:46:18 Hello 06:47:36 Uryyb to you too. 07:00:32 waa 07:04:14 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:04:46 -!- copumpkin has joined. 07:37:20 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:38:28 -!- nooga has joined. 07:51:15 -!- Taneb has joined. 07:51:23 Hello 08:03:04 Uryyb 08:03:22 What is that even about? 08:03:29 "Uryyb" 08:03:40 its a very base joke.. so base even i guessed it 08:03:46 it's a rot13 of Hello 08:03:56 That's... 08:04:03 How does that even qualify as a joke? 08:04:23 Je;;p would almost be a joke 08:04:34 i hope this doesn't mean my influence is rubbing off 08:05:14 maybe i'm getting smarter... 08:07:46 Taneb, I have decided to analyze video games from an unusual direction 08:07:58 It's a burgeoning idea I had for a while. 08:08:09 North by North West? 08:08:19 :P 08:08:23 But go on 08:08:28 Kata! 08:08:30 Infact I think the premise alone could sell books. 08:09:00 Kata is the best direction. 08:09:01 but, ok well, comparing games by attributes such as "does the game have jumping? does the game have guns? 08:09:13 does the game have ladders? 08:09:21 You mean like Super Mario Bros 3? 08:09:24 does it have a score? 08:09:33 I believe that has all those elements 08:10:21 I came up with a fairly random list of about 29 games with a nintendo platform bias 08:10:40 uh.. my bias 08:11:10 doors that open by themselves, sliding doors, secret doors, doors that lock, doors that don't 08:11:30 like, the trouble I see is that there aren't any websites which store such information in a database in existence 08:11:38 Clearly, you should get some aliens to design games. 08:11:53 well it's not so much a trouble, as it is some uncharted ground 08:11:55 Assassin's Creed Brotherhood has jumping, guns, ladders, but no score 08:11:58 Then they won't refernce Earthy things 08:12:11 And Earthy gaming conventions 08:12:36 Like metal barrels are always explosive 08:12:38 Taneb: well.. as i make up more of these arbitrary categories the whole process can get very drawn out 08:13:04 infact, i think that at some level, such a database could be a behemoth 08:13:38 and it's not the sort of thing people need.. it's just me looking for a niche way of analysis 08:15:04 but i'm probably onto something.. most of my ideas are half-truths and misguided versions of actual good ideas 08:15:32 as it is, you can't look up in any database which video games contain blue hats 08:15:47 but with the "kind" of database i am describing, you might be able to 08:17:20 it's called being a data nerd 08:17:45 aha 08:19:30 i just might be a data nerd 08:19:47 I think Team Fortress 2 has blue hats 08:19:53 Team Fortress 2 has all the hats 08:22:06 http://www.gameontology.com/index.php/Main_Page is doing something a bit like that. 08:22:19 For example, http://www.gameontology.com/index.php/To_Shoot is a bit like "does it have guns?" 08:22:23 i am being serious too.. you would goto tidusdatanerd.com and see the box Search: [__________] and type in "blue hats" and it would list (1)Team Fortress 2 (2)[...] 08:22:39 They're probably not the only folks, but they're maybe the most pretentious. 08:22:40 fizzie: gah.... why can't i ever have a niche to myself ;_; 08:23:01 i suppose that tvtropes is sort of doing the same thing in a manner of speaking 08:23:22 And they mostly just list some examples instead of trying to build a comprehensive list. 08:24:02 cool 08:24:30 well as it turns out it's actually quite difficult to prove a negative about a video game 08:24:39 They're trying to do a hierarchical thing, though. And I suppose it's as pointless as anything involving the word "ontology" tends to be, but anyway. 08:25:08 So i guess such a database should be padded out with unknown 08:25:39 and the categorization of some of these things is a nightmare 08:26:22 like, most games which have jumping have a jump button.. but some games require you to press 2 buttons at once to jump... 08:26:58 yawn 08:27:02 I see they've put out some game conference papers about their por-ject. 08:27:40 and in link's awakening you need an item to jump 08:28:29 who'd input the data? 08:28:32 or in some games you may have to drive a car up a ramp to jump 08:29:24 or basically some environmental jump could be a trampoline or a ramp etc 08:30:41 nooga: well, the main point i think is the data exists 08:30:49 If you want even more of a niche project, http://www.igcd.net/ have a database of which models of cars have been seen in which video games. 08:30:52 but what kind of nutcases care about it 08:31:25 wow.. that IS niche 08:31:50 the fact you know about igcd tells me i am a long way from kansas 08:32:04 I did not know about it four minutes ago. 08:32:23 phew 08:32:30 i would be scared if you had 08:33:21 nooga: basically it's just a mode of exploration.. looking for niches.. looking for a leg up on the rivals 08:33:34 you could build akinator-like service only for games then 08:33:44 if such a database existed i would be merely looking for new niches 08:33:51 and amaze bunch of bored players 08:34:03 a lot of the fun of a niche is it's exclusivity 08:35:57 mmm 08:36:37 i am gonna visit the irc chat of igcd just to see what is there 08:39:52 hmm that server is gone 08:41:16 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 08:41:16 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 08:41:16 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 08:43:26 nooga: ah yes akinator! 08:44:08 i'm doomed to be to video games as scott mccloud is to comics 08:44:11 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:46:15 nooga: well it is my job to enter such data 08:46:26 -!- derdon has joined. 08:47:42 knowing though, that each search for such a datum could result in new sub-questions, and that well.. it's not computable how long any such question will take to answer 08:48:38 .... ^well maybe it's computable.. 08:48:48 but it's not predictable by ordinary means.. 08:53:59 uh 09:02:38 itidus21, there's someone on #haskell reminding me of you 09:02:44 expect a lot more weird questions coming from me in the future :D 09:03:48 when someone such as me is aware of their own weirdness... that is usually a sign of trouble 09:04:13 Or redemption 09:04:33 nah he's comfortable with asking weird questions apparently 09:05:05 my current query is the native resolution of atari asteroids 09:05:41 due to being a data nerd... 09:05:57 (as nooga suggested) i have no practical application of this info though 09:06:32 -!- john_metcalf has joined. 09:07:44 itidus21: www.philpem.me.uk/elec/vecgen.pdf 09:08:10 the short answer is 1024 × 1024 09:08:15 thanks 09:08:26 but it's true vector graphics 09:08:37 the graphics chip directly controls the deflection of the electron beam 09:08:41 there's not a grid of pixels as such 09:09:00 does that mean it could have more res if it had uh i dunno 09:09:05 and so it could move very smoothly between line endpoints, or generate circles etc. with analog oscillators 09:09:15 i don't know if the DVG actually has these capabilities 09:09:39 i mean, i get the sense that 1024 is just an arbitrary constraint they settled on 09:10:06 probably for addressing 09:10:07 the CPU sends coordinates to the DVG over a digital data bus 09:10:12 those coordinates are 10 bit 09:10:36 ah ok 09:10:37 but you could have a system where, even though the endpoints of lines are locked to a 1024 × 1024 grid, the beam deflection between points is much smoother and does not alias to that grid 09:10:54 this could be done with a higher resolution internal counter + DAC, or with analog circuitry 09:11:42 bloody nice answer though. 09:11:51 as if you had been waiting for someone to ask 09:11:54 :) 09:11:59 i looked this up a while ago for no particular reason 09:12:13 i think just because i went to barcade in brooklyn and was impressed by how nice the original asteroids machine looks 09:12:29 it has a brilliantly intense white on black CRT 09:12:46 objects leave wonderful trails as they move 09:12:51 wikipedia did mention the DVG (with a red link) but i more or less overlooked it's relevance to the question) 09:13:13 also http://www.jmargolin.com/vgens/vgens.htm 09:16:57 it sounds like those 10 bits are all the resolution it has on the output 09:17:40 thats a good article. 09:19:16 it's all so funny now, with everyone owning their own framebuffers 09:19:46 but this vector stuff seems to still have advantages over that 09:21:28 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:22:39 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 09:22:51 -!- pikhq has joined. 09:26:46 Oh god this exists https://twitter.com/#!/HexhamProblems 09:28:06 i'm not sure why this document about the digital vector generator goes off on a long tangent where they basically explain how to design a CPU 09:28:36 Does homestuck.bandcamp.com look dodgy to anyone else? 09:28:54 yeah i knew that part was over my head so i cut to the "final thoughts" 09:29:09 oops no, "a final thought" 09:29:45 Nah, it works now 09:30:58 Taneb: Are those Hexham Problems the kind of problems you have? 09:31:06 Not really, no 09:31:26 I'm out of earshot of the Abbey 09:31:45 donnies and spoons 09:32:06 Never been to Donnies, haven't been to Spoons in ages 09:32:10 brb 09:32:32 itidus21: ah, later they talk about analog vector generators 09:32:51 which would actually draw those perfectly smooth lines 09:33:35 #hexhamproblems "The awkward moment when your intimidated at the sele by 13 year old chavs" 09:33:37 which was used by Battlezone apparently 09:35:10 apparently The Sele = A shitty scumbag of a school. They say they deal with bullying, no they dont. They say they have a good reputation, no they dont. 09:38:17 Back 09:38:25 There's an "elliott" (with a different surname) following HexhamProblems. 09:38:39 itidus21, in this context, the Sele refers to the field and hill, not the school 09:38:54 The oldest pupils of the school are 9 09:39:12 What's "mish"? Is that like a type of going somewhere? 09:39:21 Yeah, short for "mission" 09:39:32 It may be Hexham-specific slang 09:39:33 oh man, it had analog clipping to rectangle too 09:39:38 "You know your from hexham when you mish to tescos ten times a day" "The soundtrack to your mish down the street being the harpsicord busker". 09:39:41 Okay. 09:40:09 Taneb: well i'm absolutely sure that all the people from hexham would be happier if hexham slang didn't become a major topic :D 09:40:18 Yeah 09:40:24 > (!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(10^6^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]] 09:40:26 "31415926535897932384626387169884407661971693988789488104965184659327495149... 09:40:32 "pretty good eh" 09:40:43 Is that actually pi? 09:40:51 I don't get out much, and elliott probably isn't real 09:40:56 im just gonna let it blow over 09:41:18 Taneb: What's a "geordie"? 09:41:33 Person from Newcastle, with all the stereotypes that entails 09:41:37 Hokay. 09:41:41 Taneb: oh no. it's started :D 09:41:44 You've got quite a lot of these terms. 09:41:48 i.e., tough, hardy, has a cool accent 09:42:09 fizzie: both taneb and elliott would probably rather we didn't explore it. 09:42:22 A combination of English, Scottish, and I think Norwegian accents 09:42:24 i can't really explain why.. i don't know 09:43:03 "oops" 09:43:14 Taneb: Oh, so "spoons" was a place. I was thinking, you know, spoons. I mean, they keep knives away from folk that might do stuff with them, don't they? 09:43:27 most americans can't follow a british accent very well. 09:44:26 but since australia is full of immigrants from that part of the world our accent is well.. compatible i think 09:44:56 i don't know why that would be the case though 09:45:15 itidus21, some british accents aren't compatible at all 09:45:28 well i mean.. some people literally can't parse it 09:45:39 I'd pay good money to see a person from Glasgow, a person from Somerset, and a person of Yorkshire trying to talk to eachother 09:46:02 more likely im full of crap 09:46:32 fizzie, spoons is slang for the pub chain Wetherspoon 09:46:56 Especially the one in Hexham, which is next to the cinema 09:47:21 there was a cool slang word i learned yesterday.. i forget what it was 09:47:29 > (!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(1000^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]] 09:47:31 Terminated 09:47:35 > (!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(1000^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]] 09:47:37 "31415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062... 09:47:39 MUCH BETTER 09:47:53 Are... are they different at all 09:48:57 KQ has the best music. 09:49:33 aha yes 09:49:44 the verb raspberry 09:49:52 raspberry tart = fart 09:52:20 Kings Quest? 09:52:50 http://kqlives.sourceforge.net/ 09:53:21 `echo -e "a\nb" 09:53:30 -e "a\nb" 09:53:48 `run echo -e "a\nb" 09:53:52 a \ b 09:54:09 `ls 09:54:11 bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ quotes.new \ share \ wisdom 09:54:21 `ls quotes 09:54:25 quotes 09:54:33 `cat quotes 09:54:37 I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... More practice is in order. \ that's where I got it rocket launch facility gift shop \ GKennethR: he should be told that you should 09:54:46 `pastequotes 09:54:48 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32574 09:56:47 What's up with the Alternate Universe quotes early on? 09:57:36 fungot: Is he really a tricycle? 09:57:38 fizzie: though the error message and make your head detachable... i downloaded the tex fnord is there a scheme that offers methods on any data type. 09:57:47 ^style ct 09:57:48 Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) 09:57:53 fungot: A detachable head? 09:57:54 fizzie: you! take! we find! 09:58:07 fungot: I don't have a detachable head. 09:58:08 fizzie: that no one was allowed to use the crane, enter any two of these letters, a b y. 09:59:12 fungot: Okay, I won't use the crane to detach my head. But I'm still unclear on whether he was a tricycle. 09:59:13 fizzie: i, myself, will bring an end to all. ghosts lurk in the ruins! the structural damage is severe. the tale? 09:59:35 I have to say I kind of like that "i, myself, will bring an end to all" thing. 10:00:31 "The TMS320P15 was supposedly hack-proof once the Security Bit was set. It wasn't. The reason I know is that in that project I put in an undocumented program that sent out the Atari copyright message in Morse Code. Because of the DSP's speed it could be received by just placing a standard AM radio near the PC Board. The program was called only by grounding an innocuously unused I/O pin during Reset. When Atari received a counterfeited game 10:01:02 kmc: Having trouble in this game of golf. 10:01:10 the only winning move is not to play 10:01:38 kmc: edwardk came with a variation so inefficient, lambdabot doesn't manage to compute it all the way to the cutoff point. 10:01:43 That's 74 digits of pi. 10:01:51 But it's several characters shorter. :-( 10:02:09 (In fact maybe no computer would be able to calculate it to the cutoff point ever with that algorithm.) 10:02:15 (did my full quote come through just now?) 10:02:24 Reset. When Atari received a counterfeited game 10:02:43 "...When Atari received a counterfeited game to examine, I placed an AM radio near the board, grounded the aforementioned I/O pin, gave it a Reset, and heard my Copyright Message on the radio." 10:04:26 I've used a TMS320C5416 for schoolwork, it was a fancy. (Much later thing than a C15, though.) 10:17:29 i am shocked 10:17:45 nooga, has the psychology experiment gone wrong? 10:17:58 my lisp interpreter actually compiles and runs every single example from various books 10:18:10 Without warnings? 10:18:23 (yours as in you wrote it?) 10:18:30 oh, it would just crash if something went wrong 10:18:35 yeah 10:18:59 Try running something bigger 10:19:22 I don't have backquote and macros 10:19:37 Well, now you know what to do next! 10:19:38 :) 10:19:47 Go out and celebrate! 10:19:52 Go to LegoLand or somewhere! 10:20:20 i'd rather buy two beers 10:20:47 Buy three beers! 10:20:49 :) 10:20:59 LeggoLand, where everyone tries to escape. 10:35:09 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:48:16 -!- aloril has joined. 11:28:51 okay 11:33:22 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 11:34:16 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 12:09:00 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:09:27 -!- derdon has joined. 12:13:38 -!- derdon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:17:10 -!- sebbu has joined. 12:17:11 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 12:17:11 -!- sebbu has joined. 12:21:12 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 12:24:42 -!- ais523 has joined. 12:37:17 -!- george97 has joined. 12:37:41 -!- george97 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:51:35 -!- augur has joined. 13:20:18 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 13:20:20 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:28:57 -!- elliott has joined. 13:35:42 nooga: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATBl4qH9I54 13:37:07 > let fibs = 0 : 1 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in fibs 13:37:08 [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946... 13:38:21 -!- copumpkin has joined. 13:39:32 !bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22])%28]++)*22>(-)*115[-][+][-] 13:39:41 Score for quintopia_brachiation: 46.9 13:39:58 elliott: that basically says "let this list be this list added with itself shifted to the right by one"? 13:40:11 s/right/left/ 13:41:14 !bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]++)*24 13:41:15 quintopia: fibs is a list starting with 0, continuing with 1, and then continuing with fibs added with fibs sans the first element, yes. 13:41:16 Score for quintopia_brachiation: 47.3 13:42:22 does "tail" mean the same as "cdr" or does it not use cons lists? 13:43:04 It's a linked list, yes. 13:43:10 data [a] = [] | a : [a] 13:43:19 tail (_:xs) = xs 13:43:22 tail [] = undefined 13:43:28 Ideally you would use 13:43:35 data Stream a = a :> Stream a 13:43:38 tail (_ :> xs) = xs 13:43:44 and it would not ues the avoid of the partial function "tail". 13:43:46 *use 13:43:50 But Stream isn't in the standard library. 13:44:10 -!- Taneb has joined. 13:44:38 -!- Taneb has quit (Client Quit). 13:44:41 what does :> mean 13:44:54 -!- Taneb has joined. 13:45:47 Nothing. It's a user-defined operator. 13:45:50 I could just as easily say 13:45:57 data Stream a = a :$$$$ Stream a 13:45:57 or 13:46:01 data Stream a = Cons a (Stream a) 13:46:24 Hello 13:48:18 why is that user-defined operator necessary? 13:49:05 Because writing 13:49:14 0 :> 1 :> 2 :> 3 :> ... 13:49:19 is nicer than writing 13:49:23 Cons 0 (Cons 1 (Cons 2 (Cons 3 (... 13:49:24 or even 13:49:30 Cons 0 . Cons 1 . Cons 2 . Cons 3 $ ... 14:13:29 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 14:13:31 -!- pikhq has joined. 14:30:43 :> also looks happier. 14:33:48 0 `Cons` 1 `Cons` 2 `Cons` 3 `Cons` … 15:11:23 -!- Patashu has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:11:37 -!- Patashu has joined. 15:30:37 Hey, Batman's on 15:31:03 They... actuall sing "nanananananana" 15:49:51 * john_metcalf is currently wearing a Batman shirt. 15:51:13 I reckon the riddler would do better if he didn't make riddles that tell batman the answer 15:53:54 "But Batman! You're dead!" "No I'm not" 16:01:52 Bat attack. 16:04:17 -!- Vorpal has joined. 16:27:51 question just observed on gameshow: "Alphabetically, which month comes fifth?" 16:28:45 … (+[<{}])%28 … 16:28:47 that's… new 16:28:53 care to explain the strategy? 16:29:40 January 16:29:44 what does :> mean <-- sometimes I fly around in a spaceship… 16:29:53 john_metcalf: indeed, although they only gave a few seconds to work it out 16:32:16 I'd have got that wrong 16:32:25 I forgot about August and June 16:32:31 And July 16:32:35 I'm not a Summer person 16:32:54 ais523, which gameshow? 16:33:21 The Chase? 16:33:57 Taneb: yes 16:34:03 did you check the UK TV schedules? 16:34:06 or are you watching it yourself? 16:34:09 The former 16:34:19 I thought it was, but I couldn't remember the name 16:34:46 I watched a bit of it once when waiting for the chips to be ready at the local Chinese 16:34:50 The questions seemed easy 16:35:05 they're notably easier in the endgame than in the rest of the show 16:35:10 *noticeably 16:35:17 this is the opposite of most programs, but it makes sense the way it works 16:38:00 Yeah, that'd be it 16:44:11 -!- john_metcalf has left. 16:44:12 -!- john_metcalf has quit (Quit: john_metcalf). 16:44:18 ais523: I think the month is $(for mon in `seq -f'%02g' 12`; do env LC_TIME=C date --date=1984-$mon-01 +%B; done | sort | tail -n +5 | head -n 1), right? 16:44:21 Oh no, it didn't expand! 16:44:42 I am undone. 16:46:32 (It's December for the fi_FI locale.) 16:46:50 (Not that I have that in place, I just thought it'd be better to be explicit.) 16:48:48 what months come before December in alphabetical order in Finland? 16:50:23 The full order is August, July, Februray, April, December, June, October, March, November, September, January, May. 16:50:43 ah, you're translating the names into English 16:50:50 (Or, elokuu, heinäkuu, helmikuu, huhtikuu, joulukuu, kesäkuu, lokakuu, maaliskuu, marraskuu, syyskuu, tammikuu, toukokuu.) 16:51:06 "English months by alphabetical order of their Finnish translations" is a far from intuitive order 16:51:27 It's one for the challenge level. 16:53:20 Many of them have a seasonally appropriate name. Like fi:loka is like mud, dirt and that sort of stuff, and October is one of the suckiest months w.r.t. weather. (Well, unless you like wet, I guess.) 16:53:29 And "kesäkuu" is just "summer month". 16:53:43 Also "syyskuu" -> "autumn month". 16:53:54 Curiously, there's no "winter month" or "spring month". 17:00:04 Okay, since I started... "elokuu" is like "crop month" (as in stuff-that-grows-in-fields), which I suppose... is something that's somehow relevant in August. (I'm not a country person.) "heinäkuu" is "hay month", I guess something similar. "helmikuu" is "pearl month", and I don't know what's up with that, maybe snow or ice or something? "huhtikuu" is from "huhta", a dated reference to a type ... 17:00:10 ... of cleared woodland, I suppose again something that's done in April. "tammikuu" is "oak month", and... I've got nothing. And so on and so forth; they're very farming-oriented, unsurprisingly. 17:17:41 "elo" is from "crop" and not "life"? 17:18:05 I guess it makes more sense that way. 17:18:13 elonkorjuu and all. 17:18:54 hm it seems playing gamecube games (in an emulator) without a gamepad is god damn impossible. It usually (depending on game) works fine with n64 games. The extra analogue stick on the gamecube makes it a lot harder to handle with keyboard and mouse 17:19:34 hm and my joystick have digital hats, so that is useless as well. 17:22:19 Given how they predominantly seem to be about which farming-related activity is supposed to be performed in that particular month, I'd guess that way. 17:24:48 The gamecube controller always looks sorta-kinda weird to me. The four-button corner is so unsymmetric, and somehow I'm also weirded out by the fact that the analog sticks are in that unsymmetric way. (Xbox controller does that too.) 17:25:45 And it doesn't have the N64 controller saving-grace of having a place for the middle hand. 17:26:05 patents have lead to controllers being shitty 17:26:14 fizzie, heh 17:26:18 well can't entirely blame the patents 17:26:26 itidus21, I don't think it's much about patents 17:27:00 ok button positioning probably isn't 17:27:33 but everything else... ahhh.... i dunno what to say 17:27:39 Neither is analog stick positioning: Compare Playstation controller with Wii Classic Controller 17:27:57 Speaking of the N64 controller, I haven't ever figured out any sensible button mappings from the PS3 one to it, primarily because it has those four yellow semi-directional buttons. The four-button diamond (ABXY in Xbox, cross-square-triangle-circle in PS3) could handle those, but that'd leave the primary A and B buttons unclaimed. 17:27:58 Taneb, which one do you think is better? 17:28:08 Playstation 17:28:14 Taneb, PS1, PS2 or PS3? 17:28:16 cross shaped d-pad was patented a long time, both styles of vibration patented, various wireless control techs patented 17:28:26 i can't imagine what else 17:28:27 Vorpal, the only one I had was a PS2 17:28:32 ah 17:28:54 I miss Ratchet and Clank 3 17:29:23 There's not really any radical differences between the PS controllers, except the PS1 default doesn't have any analog sticks. 17:30:02 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: probably dinner). 17:30:10