00:01:44 fizzie: You should, like, ban monqy. 00:02:48 FOR NOT BEING HERE 00:04:05 Yes. 00:07:22 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:09:27 hi oerjan 00:09:28 ban monqy 00:09:48 a primate target for banning 00:10:09 No. No puns/ 00:10:11 Only bans. 00:10:15 phys.org eh? well everyone said they were crap anyway 00:13:04 well we need to follow the kantian imperative then. 00:13:30 so, everyone who is on the channel but who doesn't respond within 5 minutes of pinging will be banned. 00:14:01 OK. 00:14:04 That seems fin eto me. 00:14:05 why" 00:14:06 if they respond, they need to then pass the turing test so we know they're not just botting. 00:14:09 *fine to 00:14:25 nortti_: elliott wants monqy banned for not being here 00:14:28 how do I pass turing test 00:15:05 nortti_: well tell us a bit about your mother. 00:15:21 (no one said the _questioner_ needed to pass, right?) 00:15:35 why? m 00:15:46 are you bot? 00:15:53 yes, oerjan is bot 00:16:13 wait, we have bots here. we cannot ban those... 00:16:37 banning fungot would be a major crime 00:16:38 oerjan: from aio import chomp chomp". " 6"? 00:16:44 precisely! 00:17:20 oerjan: Just ping them correctly. 00:17:20 fungot: ping 00:17:22 elliott: and then you notice the white smoke in the channel. someone asked me if it's not open 00:17:24 `echo ping 00:17:27 ping 00:17:28 !sh echo ping 00:17:30 ping 00:17:30 @ping 00:17:31 pong 00:17:38 elliott: sorry i cannot ban monqy as he's indistinguishable from several of Gregor's bots much of the time 00:17:43 -!- oonbotti has joined. 00:17:44 "and then you notice the white smoke in the channel" -- eerie. 00:17:46 oerjan: Which of those? 00:18:14 !sh ls 00:18:15 interps \ lib \ slox 00:18:17 glogbot, for example 00:18:55 oerjan: monqy talks! 00:19:12 elliott: but you wouldn't want monqy banned if he talked! 00:19:36 unless he purposefully ignored only you, presumably 00:20:53 He just isn't talking *enough*. 00:22:29 `addquote I couldn't survive an apocalypse. I don't even have any bitcoins. 00:22:32 843) I couldn't survive an apocalypse. I don't even have any bitcoins. 00:24:16 tahnks 00:34:19 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:48:00 -!- nortti_ has quit (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )). 00:58:06 -!- kwertii has joined. 00:58:28 i modified report to do diffs automatically 00:58:38 -!- quintopia has set topic: forking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/IFDP. 00:59:07 yay 00:59:13 quintopia: Can you use Unicode arrows intsead, please? 00:59:40 hi kwertii 00:59:54 elliott: i thought about it. but then i realized i don't know how to make an ascii txt file with unicode arrows in 00:59:58 Hi 01:00:17 even the unicode delta character that is supposed to be in the header doesnt print 01:00:34 quintopia: Uhhh... You encode it in UTF-8? 01:00:45 elliott: eli5 01:00:53 you can't have an ascii txt file with unicode arrows in 01:00:57 quintopia: Just give me your copy of report.c and I'll send a patch. 01:01:39 quintopia: (By the way, what's with attack1.bfjoust?) 01:02:09 elliott: eh, it is included with egobot. it beat the suicide program that i downloaded from the hill, so i just left it 01:02:14 -!- george97 has joined. 01:02:14 -!- george97 has left. 01:02:14 -!- ssue has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:02:24 (also it beats all of olsner's stuff which is hilarious 01:02:27 kmc: But I really really want one. :-( 01:02:38 maybe if you use UTF-7 01:02:49 kmc: Did you get humblebundle.com? 01:02:55 "last chance" 01:03:09 quintopia: it's not really as funny as you think :P those programs are actually just very very bad 01:03:44 olsner: the funny part is that they are halfway up the current hill 01:03:49 exactly 01:06:01 quintopia: I'm waiting. :( 01:06:37 grep this for ELLIOTT to find what you need 01:07:02 http://sprunge.us/XWJK 01:07:48 quintopia: I like the part where you tried to write your own license. 01:07:50 Don't do thta 01:07:51 *that. 01:07:56 Just add your name to the copyright header, man. 01:08:22 but that wouldn't be nearly as funny 01:08:32 It hurts, man. 01:08:37 kmc: Is it bad to encrypt a file using a hash of the plaintext as a key? 01:09:55 shachaf: CBC hashes already do stuff like that internally 01:10:15 shachaf: it sounds secure to me 01:10:46 i did not purchase this particular humble bundle 01:10:47 should i? 01:10:55 you should 01:11:11 psychonauts alone is worth the price. if you have psychonauts then bastion alone is. 01:11:26 "worth the price" 01:11:44 kmc: It's the best one yet by a decent margin, so... yes? 01:12:11 (Spoilers: elliott has purchased most of the humbludnles but hasn't gotten around to any of them yet.) 01:12:16 ok then 01:12:31 shachaf: I still know how good the games are. :( 01:12:41 elliott: How good is Psychonauts? 01:13:07 Like, terrible, man 01:17:55 it's my favorite game 01:18:04 but 01:18:12 shachaf: your hashing scheme isn't obviously terrible to me, but I don't know enough to say it's secure 01:18:14 i'm a "rpgs suck but platformers are awesome" kind of guy 01:18:22 you should probably elaborate regarding the application and threat model 01:18:36 elliott: you should probably elaborate regarding the application and threat model 01:18:41 Should I pay over average? 01:18:44 kmc: The threat is shachaf. 01:18:47 one fairly obvious problem is, if I already have a file, I can determine whether it's what you sent 01:18:56 elliott: your mind is the scene of the crime 01:19:01 Well, right. I mentioned as much to elliott. 01:19:05 Sgeo_: Yes, if you can afford it. Regardless of whether you want the other games (BUT YES YOU WANT BASTION DUH DON'T BE AN IDIOT). 01:19:10 As in, do I want Bastion Lone Survivor or Super Meat Boy 01:19:11 But I don't think that's the issue here? 01:19:39 18:19 I hear Haskell is difficult to efficienize with large array operations? True? 01:19:43 what is your application 01:20:18 shachaf: obviously true, if only because there is no such thing as efficienization 01:20:26 shachaf: super meat boy looked painfully hard when i watched someone playing it, but he said bastion was the best game he played last year 01:25:12 elliott: is it patched yet 01:25:42 no im playing games but i'll do it soon 01:27:08 ok 01:27:14 oh okay. send me a txt when you're done. 01:27:52 "While on a 1:1 audio call, users will see content that could spark additional topics of conversation that are relevant to Skype users and highlight unique and local brand experiences," Skype's Sandhya Venkatachalam wrote on the company blog. "So, you should think of Conversation Ads as a way for Skype to generate fun interactivity between your circle of friends and family and the brands you care about. Ultimately, we believe this will help make Sk 01:27:59 That sounds exciting. 01:27:59 We need to get an ad bot in IRC. 01:28:43 Uh 01:28:58 Isn't this a bit like that Onion video where Google put ads in Android? 01:29:15 oh 01:29:27 i need to use my other nicks cuz i dont remember the last time i did 01:29:31 -!- quintopia has changed nick to mibquint. 01:29:35 -!- mibquint has changed nick to webquint. 01:29:40 the brands i care about 01:29:40 -!- webquint has changed nick to quintopia. 01:29:42 done 01:29:54 quintopia: you could also check with info 01:29:57 gosh i just care so much about Pringles but I don't have any good way to bring it up during cybersex on skype 01:30:09 if only there was an exciting, unique brand experience 01:30:18 oerjan: it didnt have them listed under "logins" so i assumed i hadnt 01:30:35 hmm 01:30:38 it still doesnt 01:30:44 do i actually have to log in with them 01:30:47 i think that's only current logins 01:30:52 oh 01:30:54 okay 01:30:56 no, you just have to do "info nick" 01:30:58 well then it doesnt list that info 01:31:00 oh 01:31:17 well 01:31:19 too late now 01:31:30 "last login: 1 minute 30 seconds ago" 01:31:34 :P 01:33:23 shachaf: i'm still super curious about your crypto doings 01:33:46 kmc: I told you, it was elliott's cryptodoings !!!! 01:34:34 I think the idea is a content-addressable pastebin where you can publish the paste database. 01:35:56 ah 01:36:08 interest 01:36:09 elliott: i'm still super curious about your crypto doings 01:36:54 so someone can hand out the hash of a file to their friends instead of the actual file, and still have their file be secure to the rest of the world? 01:38:10 kmc: it's kind of dumb though 01:38:53 can't you just have a regular pastebin, and if people want to upload encrypted files they can 01:38:59 and share the (randomly generated) keys amongst themselves 01:39:59 the idea isn't actually for the pastebin to serve encrypted data or w/e 01:46:54 elliott: whats the idea ? 01:46:59 "as they say" 01:49:04 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:58:58 kmc: I think the idea is that people trust the pastebin server but it can publish backups so people never lose their data. 01:59:05 And also it's content-addressable "for some reason" 02:06:01 cause content addressable things are the best 02:06:02 obviously 02:06:28 I guess it's web scale and all 02:22:23 -!- david_werecat has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:17:33 elliott: i cleaned up some stuff. so when you get around to adding unicode, use this version: http://sprunge.us/cefE 03:18:03 (if you can find a unicode symbol that means "stayed the same" feel free to put it in there instead of the word "same" 03:18:08 ) 03:19:01 -!- quintopia has set topic: forking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/NZgG. 03:21:44 quintopia: I'll do it now. 03:21:46 What's u pwith 03:21:46 /* wait for the threads to finish * / 03:21:46 for (i = 0; i < programCount; i++) { 03:21:46 pthread_join(threads[i], NULL); 03:21:48 } */ 03:21:50 ? 03:21:52 *up wit 03:21:54 *up with 03:22:03 that was in the original 03:22:06 safe to delete 03:22:33 actually 03:22:43 i think its safe to pull pthread from the includes 03:22:51 it does it all with forking now 03:22:51 quintopia: You have tabs in that file. 03:23:17 elliott: feel free to clean them up. my editor is set to use spaces, so they were probably already there 03:23:30 They're in your lines. But let me try and s/// them away. 03:23:33 (Your editor is broken.) 03:23:43 yeah you're right 03:23:47 i'm checking the settings 03:24:11 Wow, your style is awful :P 03:24:34 this file was ugly as shit when i started 03:24:56 yeah but 03:24:58 else if (rank>9) fprintf(reportF, " %2d (%c%d) %2d %6.2f %6.2f %s\n", 03:24:58 programCount - i, change, rank, (int) sc->id, sc->prc, sc->pts, programs[sc->id]); 03:24:58 else fprintf(reportF, " %2d (%c%d) %2d %6.2f %6.2f %s\n", 03:24:58 programCount - i, change, rank, (int) sc->id, sc->prc, sc->pts, programs[sc->id]); 03:24:59 come on 03:25:05 it's like walking into an apartment with the sink full of dirty dishes and dust on the shelves: you don't feel like you have to take your shoes off or avoid putting them on the coffee table 03:25:33 the printfs are formatted how gregor's printf's were originally formatted 03:26:14 anyway, are you gonna get it working or complain about style all day? 03:27:12 im getting it working 03:27:14 im ALSO complaining 03:33:50 elliott++ 03:46:51 * Sgeo_ is the new AntiNorn, according to one person 03:50:20 http://lna.songua.com/ 03:50:31 Wait for the camera to come to my norns 04:12:51 -!- asiekierka has joined. 04:15:48 quintopia: I lied, I'll do it tomorrow. 04:19:44 elliott: no rush. as long as it's done before gregor gets back, i'm sure it will be included. 04:21:09 -!- elliott has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 04:27:00 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDoze. 05:07:23 -!- rvchangue_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 05:26:38 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 05:37:08 -!- ais523 has joined. 05:42:12 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 05:42:12 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 05:42:12 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 05:45:02 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 06:23:50 !bfjoust poke http://sprunge.us/NgDg 06:23:55 Score for quintopia_poke: 48.4 06:24:49 -!- rvchangue has joined. 06:25:58 -!- quintopia has set topic: forking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/HeMR. 06:44:08 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 06:47:16 -!- ais523_ has joined. 06:47:22 -!- ais523 has quit (Disconnected by services). 06:47:24 -!- ais523_ has changed nick to ais523. 06:51:40 -!- invariable has changed nick to function. 07:02:34 ais523: did you see i added ranking deltas to the report code 07:02:51 no 07:03:33 elliott promised to change the ^ and v to UTF8 black triangles tomorrow 07:03:35 is it coincidence that the new scoring puts space_elevator to the top? 07:04:16 and wow at what happens to counterpoke and skyscraper 07:04:18 I would think it's what we call a "'coincidence'" with many quotes. 07:04:19 up 15 places… 07:04:22 what are you implying ais523 07:04:36 :P 07:04:37 it's only implying something if you answer no 07:05:02 If you answer "maybe" in a very suggestive tone, it's not implying anything. 07:05:02 theres not a line in there that says "hey look spelevator give it more points" 07:05:33 But is there a line that says "hey look quintopia give it more points"? 07:05:36 but i have reengineered spelevator a lot lately and it is a lot better than it was 07:05:57 and will continue to get better as i try new ideas 07:06:48 fizzie: you tell me. i linked the code in the channel earlier :P 07:07:16 I prefer new scoring even if it drops my score pointswise, it seems to produce a better ranking 07:08:24 points have a different meaning than before. now it roughly means "how many opponents did you beat?" although it literally means "how many rounds did you win divided by 42" 07:08:38 (times 100O 07:08:42 *100 07:10:27 and the score is scaled by some other random factor so that it produces scores roughly of the same order as the old system 07:11:24 i think the maximum possible score is now 1175. if you beat everything. 07:13:38 -!- rvchangue has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:15:18 -!- rvchangue has joined. 07:17:54 I think a sensible goal would be to have a scoring that's NP-hard to compute, just because. Something involving finding the optimal permutation should suffice. 07:18:43 quintopia: so you consider narrow wins as /much/ lower-scoring than crushing ones? 07:21:18 * Sgeo_ forgot whether elliott has a DS account 07:26:19 -!- azaq23 has joined. 07:59:51 -!- rvchangue has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:02:18 -!- rvchangue has joined. 08:26:17 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:28:39 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 09:02:04 monqy, Phantom_Hoover blah 09:02:34 Sgeo_: UPDATE 09:02:41 :o 09:03:07 monqy: hi 09:03:12 monqy: Want a cookie? 09:03:18 what sort of cook 09:03:19 e 09:03:21 cooke 09:03:40 It's a forged session cookie. :-( 09:04:24 :-( 09:04:31 monqy: Want it? 09:04:42 :-( 09:04:52 ↁ: 09:14:56 -!- sebbu has joined. 09:14:56 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 09:14:56 -!- sebbu has joined. 09:15:50 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 09:22:00 -!- nooga has joined. 09:31:22 -!- Vorpal has joined. 09:34:42 -!- john_metcalf has joined. 09:34:44 Hi :-) 09:35:02 hi 09:35:16 bleh, I think I remember seeing you here before, but can't remember who you are 09:36:01 * john_metcalf wonders what happened to Gregor's logs. They're stalled. 09:36:12 strange, glogbot is here 09:36:23 ais523: I'm also known as impomatic :-) 09:36:23 have you tried refreshing? perhaps you've confused regular logs with stalker mode 09:36:28 ah, that would be it 09:36:33 I know who impomatic is :) 09:36:43 we've had quite some BF Joust advances recently 09:37:50 Oh! Will check the wiki / hill :-) 09:38:14 -!- oonbotti has quit (Quit: oonbotti). 09:40:09 Is FYB still broken? 09:40:28 I think so, at least nobody's attempted to fix it 09:43:43 -!- oonbotti has joined. 10:10:49 -!- ais523_ has joined. 10:12:33 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 10:19:08 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:20:56 https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/532967_243775202389576_925103867_n.jpg 10:22:41 what would an FYB fix look like 11:00:25 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 11:05:59 -!- ais523_ has changed nick to ais523. 11:06:25 Patashu: something that made it impossible to move your IP faster than the opponent could move their tape pointer 11:06:37 either by allowing faster tape pointer movement, or by forcing slower IP movement 11:07:16 and then it would be balanced? or then it would be at least non-trivial 11:12:44 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 11:12:44 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 11:12:44 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 11:12:58 Patashu: at least non-trivial 11:13:33 at the moment, you can just set up a loop to be false early on (using defection to get a known 0), and send your IP flying millions of cells to the right where the opposing program will never be able to reach it 11:13:49 and then do pretty much whatever you want, you're not going to be able to lose for millions of cycles 11:15:28 Hello 11:15:42 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:17:29 -!- nooga has joined. 11:31:17 morning 11:47:57 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 11:50:12 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 12:06:44 ais523: i consider winning one tape length/polarity and drawing on the rest to be 1/42 as good as winning on them all 12:15:06 ais523: one way would be to have instructions that moved the tape pointer two or more at a time, another would be to have some register or mode that changed how much >< moved the tape pointer by 12:15:06 I guess 12:17:26 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:19:54 Patashu: two or more at a time is no good 12:20:07 the problem is that a loop that evaluates to false lets you move at unlimited speed 12:20:18 you could replace BF loops with DF loops, I guess 12:20:29 aah 12:20:30 DF loops? 12:20:33 DoFuck 12:20:40 [ never jumps, otherwise identical to BF 12:21:14 ah, I haven't seen that on the wiki 12:21:44 it's pretty old 12:21:56 I remember programming it into bsmnt_bot 12:21:58 and I see what you mean, now 12:22:02 you'd have something like [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] 12:22:05 and your IP is now billions 12:22:23 you mean [-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-…]]]]]]]]? 12:22:29 err, + not -, FYB doesn't have a - 12:25:04 yeah 12:32:10 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 12:36:53 -!- boily has joined. 12:56:31 gregor: when trying to view the logs in stalker mode I get "error: Call to undefined function inotify_init() in /var/chroots/egobot/home/egobot/logbot/stalker.php on line 51
". Also the bot seems to have stopped logging three days ago :-( 13:05:40 -!- stenno|work has joined. 13:05:46 -!- rvchangue has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:06:00 -!- stenno|work has quit. 13:07:44 -!- stenno has joined. 13:08:39 http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/tyranni.jpg 13:09:15 ++++++++++[->++++++++++>++++++++++<<]>++++.>+++++. 13:09:37 wrong channel 13:11:29 hey ais523! 13:11:41 hi stenno 13:11:54 #nethack and #esoteric have a surprisingly large overlap :) 13:11:57 :) 13:12:10 FireFly led me here from ##javascript 13:12:50 !bfjoust this_still_doesnt_work_right_ (>)*8(>[+])*21 13:12:59 that last _ is meant to be a question mark 13:13:00 @tell Gregor fix you goddamnit bot 13:13:00 Consider it noted. 13:13:10 nortti: which bot? 13:13:20 he has so many… 13:13:22 !help 13:13:22 glogbot: 13:13:23 help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . 13:13:28 Score for ais523_this_still_doesnt_work_right_: 21.5 13:13:33 :o 13:13:45 wow, it's… pretty close to waterfall2 13:13:54 just shows how the hill makeup can change over the years 13:13:59 !help userinterps 13:13:59 userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. 13:14:02 and arguably, the dangers of constant tweaking 13:14:09 !help languages 13:14:10 languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. 13:14:23 bf16, bf32? 13:14:27 @tell Gregor I mean glogbot 13:14:27 Consider it noted. 13:14:41 stenno: bf with 16 or 32 bit cell size 13:14:44 stenno: brainfuck with differently sized integers 13:15:28 i see 13:15:33 biginteger brainfuck 13:15:54 egobot doesn't do bignum bf 13:16:13 can i use the bot to test my bf written ealier..? 13:16:16 sure 13:16:26 although if it takes input, it'll be easier to use fungot for that than egobot 13:16:27 ais523: and these programs will be able to read it; something happened when i tried 13:16:36 ^bf ,[.,]!giving input to your program is easy with fungot 13:16:37 giving input to your program is easy with fungot 13:16:57 ^bf >,[>,]<[.<]!giving input to your program is easy with fungot 13:16:57 oh nice 13:16:57 tognuf htiw ysae si margorp ruoy ot tupni gnivig 13:17:00 ^source 13:17:01 FireFly: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 13:17:01 http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 13:17:08 very good 13:17:36 ^bf ++++++++++[->++++++++++>++++++++++<<]>++++.>+++++. 13:17:36 hi 13:17:39 :D 13:17:44 !bf_txtgen hi 13:17:54 yes i guess thats not optimal 13:17:56 let's see how you compete with egobot in the saying hi stakes 13:17:57 41 ++++++++[>+++++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>.+.>++. [206] 13:18:13 egobot's text generator isn't always optimal, there are often obvious improvements 13:18:14 i know a better one though 13:18:24 such as removing that >><< 13:18:31 what's the [206] to the right? 13:18:50 number of cycles, perhaps? I don't know for certain, but 206 seems around the right size 13:19:07 Ah, probably 13:19:16 of course, generating fixed text in general is undecidable 13:20:03 is it doing a*b mod 256 and a*c mod 256 such that it makes minimal adjustments to make the final two letters 13:20:14 !bf_textgen hello 13:20:15 oh Patashu i know you from #nethack too :) 13:20:18 hi 13:20:22 hey 13:20:26 !bf_txtgen hello 13:20:28 57 +++++++++++++[>++++++++>+>><<<<-]>.---.+++++++..+++.>---. [506] 13:20:35 !bf_txtgen hello world 13:20:38 heh 13:20:39 103 ++++++++[>>+>+++++++++++++>++++<<<<-]>>>.---.+++++++..+++.>.<++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.<++. [406] 13:21:02 it is not even the same code 13:21:59 hm, interesting design 13:22:34 !bf_txtgen hello world 13:22:37 103 +++++++++++++++[>++++++++>++>+++++++>+<<<<-]>>>-.---.+++++++..+++.<++.<-.>>.+++.------.--------.>-----. [393] 13:22:42 EgoBot's generator is somewhat probabilistic 13:22:48 strange 13:22:48 interesting 13:22:58 !bf_txtgen hello world 13:23:00 102 ++++++++[>+++++++++++++>++++>+><<<<-]>.---.+++++++..+++.>.<++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.>>++. [617] 13:23:13 and that can be shortened to 100 by removing the >< 13:23:30 really, you'd want the bot to do that itself :) 13:23:37 maybe what it's doing is trying random permutations of the strategy, seeing how much extra debris is required to print the statement, then showing you the best one 13:23:46 !bf_txtgen Hello, world! 13:23:48 139 +++++++++++[>++++++>++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++++++.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++++..+++.>.>-.<<++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.>>+.>-. [632] 13:23:52 :o 13:24:22 !bf_txtgen Hello, world! 13:24:24 125 +++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++++++>+++++>+<<<<-]>.>++.+++++++..+++.>-.------------.<++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.>+.>+. [397] 13:24:36 that 139 does not look very optimal at all, all those +s in a row 13:24:42 from the H to the e 13:25:05 !lb_txtgen abcdedcba 13:25:14 oops 13:25:19 !bf_txtgen abcdedcba 13:25:21 weird typo 13:25:22 55 +++++++++[>+++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>--.+.+.+.+.-.-.-.-.>+. [610] 13:25:25 yeah :o 13:25:37 nice 13:25:48 apart from the >><< :) 13:25:58 that's pretty obvious, really 13:26:06 !c printf("%d", 'a'); 13:26:17 !c printf("%d\n", 'a'); 13:26:20 97 13:26:24 97 13:26:24 97 13:26:27 or? 13:26:28 ah 13:26:42 now I can look up 97 in http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants 13:26:54 why does it have to print 10 at the end? 13:26:59 Patashu: newline 13:27:06 ah, newline 13:27:08 on an 8-bit tape, --[>-<+++++]>----- 13:27:21 !bf8 --[>-<+++++]>-----.+.+.+.+.-.-.-.-. 13:27:23 abcdedcba 13:27:25 that's without the newline 13:27:31 and you're unlikely to get much better than that 13:27:43