< 1338940858 486765 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338940885 807862 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338941488 146003 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah < 1338941501 714142 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There will be other transits in my lifetime, right? Not of venus, but... wait, hmm < 1338941547 171645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd guess mercury would be more frequent? < 1338941576 62990 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia, yep < 1338941581 33449 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Mercury < 1338941582 363107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Transits of Mercury with respect to Earth are much more frequent than transits of Venus, with about 13 or 14 per century, in part because Mercury is closer to the Sun and orbits it more rapidly." < 1338941609 699669 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other planets don't have transits, right? < 1338941633 117506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't tend to come between the earth and the sun, no < 1338941696 365994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION str he saw the one in 2004, anyhow
< 1338941733 457263 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If they do, the end is not merely nigh. < 1338942246 944713 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the sun has set :/ < 1338942251 6454 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :scumbag sun < 1338942356 812068 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338942357 165068 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338942357 324990 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338942470 346766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be coming up here in a while < 1338942484 436420 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338942484 763932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have any proper viewing equipment, alas < 1338942512 841447 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make it < 1338942526 885167 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy a mylar balloon or pop tarts or emergency blankets < 1338942535 108170 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tape it to binoculars or sunglasses < 1338942753 925854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course i could have made it if i'd bothered to get such stuff in time :P < 1338942814 734288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect it's cloudy, anyhow < 1338942910 298570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I have: ecliptic longitude of Sun 75.72, ecliptic longitude of Mercury 87.08, ecliptic latitude of Mercury +1deg46arcmin. < 1338942952 510739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can give the right ascension and declination as well if wanted < 1338942968 337178 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.203 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338943008 787582 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you mean the other planets do not have transits? They do, but they are hidden because the Sun is in the way. < 1338943128 610188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I have not seen even the transit of Mercury, because it would be dangerous to look at the sun < 1338943158 808375 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you constructed a solar filter for yourself? there is still time to look < 1338943196 650058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: O, no I have not. How to do? < 1338943222 980839 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you get a mylar balloon or pop tarts at the grocery store? < 1338943258 196 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at this time. < 1338943345 821197 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :o, well, the transit ends in 4 hours < 1338943358 97728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could still look at photographs and I have looked at the one mentioned above < 1338943397 943253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot see it anyways; there is stuff in the way < 1338943449 285370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, grey, puffy stuff < 1338943489 769865 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in about 6 hours after the transit ends, SDO will release a HD video of the whole thing < 1338943495 764124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like houses and so on < 1338943525 103757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURSE THIS WALL THAT HIDES THE VENUS TRANSIT FROM ME < 1338943612 83284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And trees too < 1338943812 720064 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd look at the sun but then my eyes would hurt < 1338943823 380963 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even looking out the window makes my eyes hurt wow < 1338943840 335754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't want HD video; HD wastes too much energy. < 1338943886 598467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only that, but I do not have a wide screen TV set. < 1338943979 147855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ecliptic longitude of Venus 75.76 degrees and ecliptic latitude 1deg 47arcmin, so it is very close to Sun. < 1338943999 506909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sometimes it is on the other side and cannot be seen. This time it is on the closer side < 1338944180 209502 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm sure people with release a downsampled version very quickly after it is released < 1338944230 334285 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDO jusut released a video < 1338944332 816259 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdHM55XDhJ0 < 1338944733 807020 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338945264 474217 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I guess that's a bit more impressive than the version my dad projected onto a wall with binoculars. < 1338945301 542786 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was still neat seeing it more in-person, though. < 1338945745 551611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338946184 341706 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338947108 937803 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1338947186 28325 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust poke http://sprunge.us/JORU < 1338947189 360827 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_poke: 48.0 < 1338947241 559980 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust poke http://sprunge.us/ZFOf < 1338947245 136733 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_poke: 48.4 < 1338947266 819897 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338947614 965932 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338947910 299463 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338948221 966323 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338948233 73246 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, now I'm connected again I think. < 1338948244 745252 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tihnk I made some kind of dirtbike emulator. < 1338948245 762719 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://entropedia.co.uk/generative_music_1.2_beta/#b64MzQw0DbQMwACE63izDwNjRJ9U007O0NDTS2NEq0SOzuTGt%2FEkgy94sKiEo0STU0A < 1338948376 477946 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338948431 679222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338949876 970540 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338950925 13448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Do you have a Theora version of the video which is also not HD? < 1338950959 281548 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338951036 969150 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338951436 899723 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338951726 602919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This opcode ANDs the contents of the A and X registers (without changing < 1338951728 84644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the contents of either register) and transfers the result to the stack < 1338951729 532747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointer. It then ANDs that result with the contents of the high byte of < 1338951730 975912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the target address of the operand +1 and stores that final result in < 1338951732 603199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory." < 1338951754 280370 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338951763 648070 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338951783 557371 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what computer? < 1338951860 730602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but not /always/, it seems to depend on the video behaviour < 1338951867 781066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 6502 < 1338951874 270375 :Lumpio_!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338951945 657738 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338951945 817419 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338951946 265842 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338952658 343462 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test http://sprunge.us/GVHP < 1338952661 637041 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_test: 46.7 < 1338952683 540657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test < < 1338952686 508961 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_test: 0.0 < 1338952692 26420 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/GVHP < 1338952695 367505 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 47.1 < 1338952805 526853 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that double-check was more important than i though XD < 1338952905 562454 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :const < 1338953080 869504 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/QPjQ < 1338953084 165168 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 0.0 < 1338953091 160567 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :grah stupid syntax errors < 1338953113 613402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why not always? < 1338953134 824915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's unclear, but seems to have something to do with the video system < 1338953146 817252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instruction wasn't added to the CPU deliberately, it's what happens if you feed it particular invalid data < 1338953171 442986 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/fjRh < 1338953174 543067 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 0.0 < 1338953179 645659 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1338953184 199159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, isn't the CPU supposed to be separate from the video? < 1338953336 451249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/YILB < 1338953339 873973 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 47.3 < 1338953537 419161 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhh < 1338953539 509628 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1338953752 659751 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/OHfC < 1338953755 675195 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 48.3 < 1338954875 577603 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/QKbN < 1338954878 780159 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 48.5 < 1338955205 415966 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose a process has a file, A, open for appending. While that's true, I delete A. What happens? < 1338955225 926875 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Clojure multimethods go further still to allow the dispatch value to be the result of an arbitrary function of the arguments." < 1338955235 607539 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's interesting < 1338955243 317934 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the process still say "append to this file" just like it did before? Will the data simply be discarded immediately? < 1338955256 848093 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm starting to see Clojure as an interesting language crippled by being tied to the JVM < 1338955313 583805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But, isn't the CPU supposed to be separate from the video? <-- in those days there generally wasn't a separate GPU, so the video stuff ran on the CPU < 1338955327 56557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are multimethods? < 1338955352 610598 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/bQiL < 1338955355 785783 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 45.0 < 1338955362 1257 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1338955377 484589 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way the page describes them, they're like CLOS's generic functions, except with more flexible dispatch < 1338955390 168525 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://clojure.org/runtime_polymorphism < 1338955532 877736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i vaguely recall it becomes an inode not referred from any directory and so is purged when the file is closed < 1338955544 9548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_very_ vaguely < 1338955577 149980 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/JJIW < 1338955580 214797 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 50.8 < 1338955580 382313 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that would make sense. < 1338955605 785793 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be possible for the process that has it open to create another link to it? < 1338955622 491701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1338955652 640927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the manual :P < 1338955736 95760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tutorialspoint.com/unix_system_calls/unlink.htm < 1338955750 514541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's the underlying system call < 1338956088 365177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: presumably you could create another hard link _before_ it's deleted, at least < 1338956441 106615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd :P < 1338956509 483056 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338956983 221133 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338957648 870661 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/UUJa < 1338957652 356886 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 51.2 < 1338957691 161245 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338957691 583537 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338957691 743153 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338957877 818329 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338958308 385339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1338958724 276125 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338958869 804105 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338959585 527433 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust myndzi_slowrush_fixed >(+)*22>(-)*22(>++++++>------)*1>+>->->+(>[[-(+)*22[-]]+>[+(-)*22[+]]->][-]+)*21 < 1338959588 353905 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_myndzi_slowrush_fixed: 29.5 < 1338959681 171101 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1338959707 591667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell myndzi help us kill vibration by modifying slowrush to >(+)*22>(-)*22(>++++++>------)*1>+>->->+(>[[-(+)*22[-]]+>[+(-)*22[+]]->][-]+)*21 < 1338959707 812974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338959722 175207 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust myndzi_slowrush_fixed < < 1338959724 817915 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_myndzi_slowrush_fixed: 0.0 < 1338959974 169046 :canaima172422!~j0s3@190.121.239.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338960170 545749 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome canaima172422 < 1338960178 957552 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :canaima172422: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338960253 628579 :canaima172422!~j0s3@190.121.239.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1338960254 475825 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-157-175.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338960280 249582 :canaima172422!~j0s3@190.121.239.146 PART :#esoteric < 1338960361 309932 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-223.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338960644 474466 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-223.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338961446 599469 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338961479 938657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell asiekierka_ hi < 1338961480 146339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338961818 882891 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-69.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338962213 451996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka_: Did you add the XKCD variation of Deadfish? If so, why? < 1338962526 544856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338963010 113345 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338963033 88993 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338963084 535820 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net NICK :TeruFSX < 1338963236 848475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338963337 276665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1338963520 651783 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor is possible to have egojsout stop printing lines of a round after 2000 (and put in a "load more lines" link)? it takes forever to load defense runs and most of the time the interesting stuff happens in the first 2000 cycles < 1338963538 422210 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338963918 383281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1338964493 160839 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338964501 45741 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338964520 382566 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338965112 536099 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max Payne 3: Dramatic Chilling Simulator http://youtu.be/eWMiIJ6B-7k < 1338965928 225510 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338966387 567668 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338966896 612732 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust impomatic_lessdumb < < 1338966903 950925 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_impomatic_lessdumb: 0.0 < 1338967046 769291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How dumb is dumb is '<' is less dumb? < 1338967053 858026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is '/if '/ < 1338967171 148823 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessdumb used to have a higher score than dumb < 1338967198 513920 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but changes to the scoreboard had caused dumb to be beating lessdumb < 1338967208 310893 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i deleted it < 1338967829 723784 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Clojure interesting me? < 1338968029 308025 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338968114 535735 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1338968943 213465 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338969300 548899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338969388 537863 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338969429 610010 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338969444 347598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you show me what some of the documentations for Prelude.Generalize that you have written? I will add some of them on < 1338969457 815527 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it's a bit skeletal at the moment < 1338969481 592888 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'll paste it somewhere < 1338969518 331914 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/69580 < 1338969597 503884 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm unsure if that's correct Haddock markup < 1338970006 520905 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338970139 254342 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-175-47.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338970528 827390 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338970571 291335 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-175-47.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338971321 898874 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-76-89.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338971711 891466 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338971759 863495 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-76-89.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338971784 781674 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1338971790 321462 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, haddock doesn't like something < 1338971857 124590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Haddock doesn't like you. < 1338971864 785723 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338971964 59400 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1338971972 627423 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps < 1338972338 630488 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1338972655 981305 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1338972657 39542 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If this were written as a function instead of a macro, we would have to pass #(Math/sin %) instead of simply Math/sin for the function." < 1338972728 457344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1338973317 121312 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is frustrating me < 1338973678 56721 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338973916 869617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"java methods aren't first class objects" < 1338973920 333119 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bibbles insanely
< 1338974528 157414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: I don't know. < 1338975759 938039 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/LawlabeeTheWallaby/posts/3450418413289 ; the latest in my Facebook-status novelization of my China trip. < 1338975826 231617 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that is getting a Like < 1338975950 663901 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: hehe < 1338976169 767077 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid I've set the bar too high though X-D < 1338976172 708735 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't go up from here. < 1338976621 956256 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? < 1338976947 828354 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338977182 787313 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, it feels inconsistent, and something I wish I didn't have to care about < 1338977206 426568 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess it makes sense, but I'm not exactly looking for Java interop < 1338977613 306891 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1338978374 775931 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338978422 289422 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh < 1338978437 784016 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or would Clojure be great if it weren't for the whole Java interoperability thing? < 1338979043 230794 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure would be great if it hadn't anything to do with java < 1338979050 73431 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e not running on jvm an such. < 1338979063 569978 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and < 1338979122 493129 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the JVM's the bad part, it's more that it tries to match the JVM's model so that it works with Java < 1338979151 417384 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it ignored Java interop yet ran on the JVM, I think it would still be able to do things like TCO and condition system (I might be mistaken) < 1338981271 591786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :JVM has all kinds of curious restrictions on the bytecode, I'm not entirely certain that would be completely true. < 1338981359 614606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can get somewhere via multiple branches, all the branches must provably have the same stack effect. and there's no "tail-invoke" opcode. < 1338981454 242531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter could I guess be workarounded by having your entire program be a single JVM function, but I think that might hit some other limitations. < 1338981518 192054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it would limit all programs to be less than 64k bytes. < 1338981543 123098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's the maximum size for the code of a method.) < 1338981601 694295 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338981602 5913 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338981602 165449 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338981664 717864 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338984482 623441 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338984482 917101 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338984483 76823 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338984483 236516 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1338984483 236658 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338984483 396265 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338984483 396401 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338984674 647690 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338986819 183038 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1338988574 692056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338988585 827824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: hi < 1338988586 15088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338989740 698106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare "Deadfish~" "Deadfish x" < 1338989741 806570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : GT < 1338989750 711914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare "Deadfish~" "Deadfishx" < 1338989751 637088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : GT < 1338989756 15452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare "a" "b" < 1338989756 926825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : LT < 1338989765 45748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1338989770 828321 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8930D.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338989804 749145 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "~ x" < 1338989805 727551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : " x~" < 1338989905 870563 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "hi" < 1338989906 860919 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi" < 1338989985 781848 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "ion" < 1338989986 746728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ino" < 1338990027 122753 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8930D.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338990146 891675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sortino is the fundamental particle of sorting algorithms. < 1338990267 9910 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "alphabetsoup" < 1338990267 982017 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "aabehloppstu" < 1338990281 305328 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "discostu" < 1338990282 255821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "cdiosstu" < 1338990404 475094 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sortinos come in a range of bogosities, from the bogosortino to the quicksortino < 1338990426 866029 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338990446 557237 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338990446 879499 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338990447 39248 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338990450 699861 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338990522 176065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Out of curiosity, do you still have the ability/time/will to administrate the lang@esoteric.sange.fi mailing list? Someone has proposed reviving it on the wiki. < 1338990659 603697 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338991444 64476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8/7 < 1338991828 16640 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338991840 795307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "I would much rather write in C/pythonic notation and have Haskell figure out its monadic translation by itself. It does figure out the types, why not monads?" < 1338991865 997210 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :C/pythonic :D < 1338991871 868135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brought to you by the author of the "Monad" HaskellWiki page! < 1338992158 365607 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1338992191 510525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't read that page.) < 1338992193 485190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's really bad.) < 1338992200 781856 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would much rather write in APL/Java notation. < 1338992210 893697 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads that page.
< 1338992217 578030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL/Java sounds bad enough that it could probably be great. < 1338992261 56014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: The best part is that the only monad it describes is Identity. < 1338992277 995426 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other monads than Identity, huh? < 1338992285 861736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I lied! < 1338992348 834654 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The essence of monad is thus separation of composition timeline from the composed computation's execution timeline < 1338992350 944330 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ < 1338992417 706521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You forgot the ITALICS. < 1338992445 493841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who uses bold italics exclusively when just bold will do is terrible. That is my law. < 1338992535 403296 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also uses both simultaneously. < 1338992548 599861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: That's what I meant. < 1338992554 812564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bold italics is text that is both bold and italic. < 1338992577 820313 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, i missed the first “bold” in your line. < 1338992579 524014 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the combination of APL and Java is not completely unexplored < 1338992594 724122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: No, using bold when just italics would do is probably another sin. < 1338992598 963747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think J has a Java interface. < 1338992608 5630 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also found a couple of papers about "Using an APL approach with Java" and "An interface between Java and APL" < 1338992627 649875 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9795215/apl-and-java-interface < 1338992989 777793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl [(y, IM.toAscList n) | (y, n) <- IM.toAscList m] < 1338992989 983311 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(y, IM.toAscList n) | (y, n) <- IM.toAscList m] < 1338992993 227253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undo [(y, IM.toAscList n) | (y, n) <- IM.toAscList m] < 1338992993 411671 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatMap (\ (y, n) -> [(y, IM.toAscList n)]) IM.toAscList m < 1338992997 611804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@. pl undo [(y, IM.toAscList n) | (y, n) <- IM.toAscList m] < 1338992997 850390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1338992999 783622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338993008 406992 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1338993008 826256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338993011 26727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :undo is broken < 1338993018 522740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl concatMap (\ (y, n) -> [(y, IM.toAscList n)]) (IM.toAscList m) < 1338993018 779688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncurry (flip flip [] . ((:) .) . (. IM.toAscList) . (,)) =<< IM.toAscList m < 1338993021 313883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1338993504 445607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :E[C E[1C < 1338993821 958193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backup to self: http://sprunge.us/jPKh < 1338994019 513182 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338994073 504912 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338994575 61591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Ray Bradbury died. < 1338994611 503148 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338994623 718077 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338994627 736624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1338994703 548904 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Manual escape sequences are eeeevyl. < 1338994717 295705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Have you seen the curses API recently? < 1338994761 793171 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is http://hackage.haskell.org/package/terminfo-0.3.2.3 horrible? (A sincere question, i haven’t looked.) < 1338994788 129605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but terminfo is a Bad Idea for my purposes. < 1338994818 914549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manual escape sequences are much better. < 1338994847 793668 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. everything should support ANSI escape codes < 1338994906 106143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: In particular, using terminfo and such has the tendency to mess up ttyrecs. < 1338994920 110066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, e.g. rxvt's terminfo stuff likes to use escape sequences that don't work on xterm. < 1338994930 853852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, e.g. all the dark grey text shows up as black on xterm. < 1338994939 393779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though there's a way to show dark grey text that works on both. < 1338995330 392783 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338995428 274803 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you’re building on a pile of ancient crap that would need an entire rewrite, why not make a good architecture from the very beginning? The storing of ttyrecs doesn’t need to have *anything* to do with that is presented to the user’s big 256-color Unicode terminal or web tiles interface. < 1338995477 609454 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, manual escape codes for the lowest common denominator might be the way to go with ttyrecs. < 1338995596 135741 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're building on a pile of ancient crap, the archaeologists and anthropologist might get angry. < 1338995607 11700 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338995607 300837 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the paleontologists, depending on how ancient the crap is. < 1338995637 885636 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, the scatologists might appreciate your efforts. < 1338995720 884454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: People still use termcast, regardless of whether it's the best way to present replays and so on. < 1338995753 945081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: More importantly, there's only about 40-50 lines of my program that care about ANSI escape codes. Why bother using a library? < 1338995764 801900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything supports ANSI escapes, and they're trivial to output. < 1338995769 275012 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So make one of the pluggable “interfaces” one that feeds the same data to a termcast server as to a ttyrec file. :-P < 1338995789 241271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Feel free to send a patch. It must be less than 50 lines. < 1338995819 935333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: (Preferably it would also include a URL to a modern terminal emulator that does not support basic ANSI escape codes.) < 1338995862 813089 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does widows command line window support ANSI? < 1338995879 295973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an ANSI.SYS thing. < 1338995888 75135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's bad. < 1338995891 928397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think Windows supports terminfo, either! < 1338995903 482174 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wasn't ANSI.SYS for dos < 1338995903 839888 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AJAX doesn’t support ANSI natively. < 1338995913 297527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: That is not a terminal emulator. < 1338995921 419529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Oh, probably. < 1338995946 944308 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses supports Windows! < 1338995975 227403 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but doesn't that require importing different headers or something? < 1338995977 600998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: curses has the curses API. < 1338995983 941198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I'm not using C. < 1338995995 364980 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what language are you using? < 1338996002 657325 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The curses API is fine enough < 1338996003 61287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Anyway, I can trivially make something that draws the terminal via SDL or such, given my API. < 1338996010 343682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not really. < 1338996011 900398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Haskell. < 1338996019 576987 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the implementation that's annoying, with it calling exit() on some errors and such. < 1338996155 694194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [(a,[(b,c)])] -> [((a,b),c)] < 1338996156 223513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1338996165 101466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You should implement that for me! ^ < 1338996198 174673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\xs -> concatMap (\(x,ys) -> map (\(y,v) -> ((x,y),v)) ys) -- so ugly. :( < 1338996201 306395 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoogle? < 1338996205 932042 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty \xs -> [ ((a,b),c) | (a,ys) <- xs, (b,c) <- ys ] < 1338996206 909739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t t1 t2. [(t, [(t1, t2)])] -> [((t, t1), t2)] < 1338996207 69730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: < 1338996209 26152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a -> a < 1338996209 311775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude id :: a -> a < 1338996209 470900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function id :: a -> a < 1338996209 630497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Exts breakpoint :: a -> a < 1338996211 952779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle map < 1338996212 202599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude map :: (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b] < 1338996212 367306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List map :: (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b] < 1338996212 527806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude mapM :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> [a] -> m [b] < 1338996219 361135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a -> b -> c) -> (b -> a -> c) < 1338996219 836821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude flip :: (a -> b -> c) -> b -> a -> c < 1338996220 24218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function flip :: (a -> b -> c) -> b -> a -> c < 1338996220 183988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap fold :: (a -> b -> b) -> b -> IntMap a -> b < 1338996429 587087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: http://sprunge.us/TeiN -- the only place that deals with ANSI stuff is renderActions, which is fairly ugly, but I'm going to rewrite it to be a bit less ugly. < 1338996484 499880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you could just as easily write, e.g. renderActionsSDL :: [Action] -> IO (). < 1338996507 596369 :AnotherTest1!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1338996581 298431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually you wouldn't want to use [Action] there. < 1338996585 411016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the updates list. < 1338996590 915113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't matter. < 1338996791 945353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: So what reason is there to avoid ANSI escapes, anyway? < 1338997007 798700 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/acme-colosson/0.1/doc/html/Acme-Colosson.html < 1338997047 282787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kmc's package. < 1338997056 735763 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is real? < 1338997168 673530 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may make Numberwang into a fully fledged joke language < 1338997232 275450 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338997232 555136 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338997232 718988 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338997278 488201 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338997278 686611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338997344 447085 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338997471 805474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backup to self: http://sprunge.us/EiYY (What's version control?) < 1338997751 534736 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: :( < 1338998339 901963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Wait, does autopickup actually *save turns* in NetHack? < 1338998623 572384 :AnotherTest1!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1338998766 868161 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338998767 28051 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338998767 28125 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1338998767 28198 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338998767 571705 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338998767 571866 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338998953 306120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 Did you fix that NetHack 4 message fix yet? :( < 1338998953 488592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338998954 370129 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338998954 529698 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338999050 275407 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/PSEi < 1338999053 777771 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 48.2 < 1338999092 925016 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/UUJa < 1338999096 605653 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 51.4 < 1338999218 99802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: schoolchidren wanted pictures with me when i was in china. what does this say about the differences between us? < 1338999368 806106 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338999368 966013 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338999369 126625 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1338999369 126786 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338999369 126934 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338999369 127007 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338999549 397038 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338999584 403285 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338999964 433342 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338999967 791934 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338999967 951814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338999967 951955 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338999967 952066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338999968 111533 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338999968 111672 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339000179 385597 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339000567 789146 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339000567 949024 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339000568 115270 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339000568 274970 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339000587 551208 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339000774 381102 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339000976 728210 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey. < 1339000986 303991 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You know stuff that futzes with the terminal and then puts it back? < 1339000989 118420 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How do they reset the colour? < 1339000991 462938 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When quitting. < 1339001007 158062 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, just by switching to the alternate screen stuff? < 1339001009 626259 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How do you do that? < 1339001011 657726 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/)/ < 1339001111 63517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, maybe, or DECSC/DECRC, "save/restore current state (cursor coordinates, attributes, character sets); \e7 and \e8. < 1339001152 338910 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001152 642973 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339001152 802475 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001238 657665 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right. I think I'd like to use the alternate screen anyway, though. < 1339001248 680965 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that guaranteed to be in any particular state when you switch to it? < 1339001325 631623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a common thing to do. If you were doing terminfo, it would be the 'smcup' (start) and 'rmcup' (stop) properties. I would think it could be in any sort of state. < 1339001369 351286 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339001414 968924 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: schoolchidren wanted pictures with me when i was in china. what does this say about the differences between us? // Nothing good for you, I'm afraid. < 1339001424 601706 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So there's no fairly-reliable cross-terminal way to use it? < 1339001448 379463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\E[?1049h and \E[r\E[?1049l for my rxvt-unicode, and I think it's the same for xterm and anything else that's "modern". < 1339001457 176396 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, how ugly. < 1339001460 929883 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that do on the console? < 1339001561 403388 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should it do? < 1339001566 981863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\E[r seems to be a "reset scrolling region to default". console_codes(4) doesn't list 1049 in the list of DECSET/DECRST stuffs it supports, so perhaps nothing. < 1339001637 854797 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how does stuff go to the alternate screen on the console? Or is that not a thing you can do? < 1339001644 289475 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me it only moves cursor to 1,1 < 1339001653 333360 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001657 837997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it has an alternate screen, no. < 1339001682 165230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no smcup/rmcup in my 'linux' terminfo entry. < 1339001694 152262 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So how does vi reset the colours on the console? I guess the \e7 and \e8 things. < 1339001699 741894 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is that really \e7 and not \e[7?) < 1339001705 329889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really \e7. < 1339001719 132290 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It upsets me a bit that you have to rely on some internal piece of state to do this. < 1339001726 765385 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what if I want to do another \e7 later??? < 1339001731 966847 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001740 395880 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339001747 804569 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001748 87028 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339001748 247080 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001753 467383 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001760 680625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you'd better not want to. < 1339001765 261324 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001822 291106 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mayhaps. < 1339001824 400701 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It upsets me still. < 1339001856 524578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also not perfectly clear how much state \e7 / \e8 save/restore. Seems to depend a bit on the terminal. < 1339001964 330948 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339001964 490599 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339002109 943049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, screen's "alternate screen" sequences are also \E[?1049h and \E[?1049h, so those seem quite widespread. (It lacks the rxvt-unicode scrolling region reset, but certainly doing that won't *hurt*. Of course if you don't change it, it's probably not necessary either.) < 1339002158 703767 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on fbcon it seems that \e7 saves cursor position and colours < 1339002229 361340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to save colours also on urxvt. < 1339002239 306451 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do those "alternate screen" sequences work? < 1339002257 415002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Xterm maintains two screen buffers. The normal screen buffer allows you to scroll back to view saved lines of output up to the maximum set by the saveLines resource. The alternate screen buffer is exactly as large as the display, contains no additional saved lines. When the alternate screen buffer is active, you cannot scroll back to view saved lines." < 1339002263 185126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They enable and disable that. < 1339002301 191908 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. but why? < 1339002337 90646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's meant for full-screen terminal applications that want to do their stuffs, yet not mess with whatever you've got going on in your terminal. Plus scrolling around when that's on is just confusing, perhaps. < 1339002393 254655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To be strict, 1047 enables/disables the alternate screen, 1048 does the same as \e7 and \e8, and 1049 combines both, so you need just one sequence to get back.) < 1339002416 465666 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Run vi. Quit. Notice the lack of vi screen in between two shell lines < 1339002433 581579 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i see it < 1339002463 445053 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in xterm/rxvt, you don't. < 1339002499 230783 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well I don't have X handy right now < 1339002510 858026 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your problem. < 1339002599 811825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: You can run it inside screen if you want to taste the power. < 1339002609 345603 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I still see it < 1339002628 485219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. Just tested. < 1339002643 743324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then; maybe screen doesn't bother emulating it when it's not hardwaristically supported. Funny, though. < 1339002658 390108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : altscreen on|off < 1339002658 586491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : If set to on, "alternate screen" support is enabled in virtual terminals, just like in xterm. Initial setting is `off'. < 1339002662 446900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's just an option. < 1339002697 358055 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that in .screenrc? < 1339002716 971291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can turn it on temporarily with ^A:altscreen on < 1339002723 102917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seemed to work for me. < 1339002739 781746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll say "will do alternate screen switching". < 1339002757 530364 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still see it < 1339002785 343919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I didn't, in Linux console, under screen, with :altscreen on. Don't know what's up with that. < 1339002819 858046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could try vim or something, if that's not your vi. Or just plain echo -e'ing those escapades. < 1339002826 713467 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :got X running. I see it even in xterm < 1339002845 582088 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. my vi is busybox vi < 1339002849 646262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then. < 1339002866 246418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It perhaps doesn't bother with anything so bourgeoisie. < 1339002932 267662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yes, autopickup actually saves turns. < 1339002938 210798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ridiculous, isn't it? < 1339003041 844385 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :( < 1339003071 503090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Haven't you heard that automatic things are time-savers? < 1339003092 166239 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :( < 1339003103 732008 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think I will go back to playing Crawl. < 1339003116 442597 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You should play Crawl. I'd watch and laugh at you!) < 1339003118 364912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: You gotta ascend at least once, man! < 1339003131 566522 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Later in my life. < 1339003149 690049 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If pickup_types is left as all, then autopickup can be used whenever it is necessary to pick up items on a teleport trap or hole (for example, in Sokoban) where the player would otherwise not have a chance to pick up the items before being whisked away." < 1339003285 533177 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i;m sad < 1339003301 495512 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:21 551 games for shachaf: 551x cao < 1339003305 918257 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You play on the Wrong Server. < 1339003314 847535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play at all. < 1339003353 362086 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Played. Same thing. < 1339003446 634041 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So, uh, that escape isn't working for me. < 1339003450 707908 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ( execWriter $ tell "\ESC[0m\ESC[2J\ESC[?1049h" >> switchAll plainAttribs < 1339003457 547001 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- yet it just uses the normal screen. < 1339003663 914747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: why are you in china anyway? < 1339003814 798539 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :'( < 1339003956 356466 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I've been Shanghai'd to Beijing. < 1339003979 283625 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: there are worse places. why? < 1339004007 166619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I'unno. It works in this urxvt with echo -e '\e[?1049hfoo' and goes back with echo -e '\e[?1049l properly. < 1339004013 543249 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Conference. < 1339004043 194473 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: who is hosting it? < 1339004044 485821 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, that actually works. < 1339004051 760455 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just hallucinimating that it wasn't. < 1339004055 714564 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Hosting in what sense >_> < 1339004059 655209 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It's PLDI and ECOOP. < 1339004065 319386 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339004082 838880 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when must you take your last chinese massage and return home? < 1339004229 841334 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: he;s stalking yuo < 1339004236 244629 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is yuore' scorin g done < 1339004423 408925 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: no. i prefer my scoring medium rare. < 1339005553 504402 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1339006069 736906 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Death by sneezing" < 1339006538 151481 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339006611 365072 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1339006784 90830 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-69.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1339006922 967651 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339007093 966200 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339008127 202475 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133D90.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339008426 671317 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dumbest Girls Ever Steal Girl Scout Money from a 9 year old http://youtu.be/CAcLGSFMFiQ < 1339009154 66719 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339009183 489566 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1339009260 353942 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK Psychonauts' absolutely terrible controls have actually reached the point that I can't progress due to having no idea which key changes page in the inventory. < 1339009290 131464 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* it said 'z' but the message went away too quickly to be sure. < 1339009297 79608 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what is it for you? < 1339009310 826715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: It's "2". < 1339009315 38525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, confusing. < 1339009321 431016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was confused too. < 1339009328 968350 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-141-82.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339009332 103972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it means you can't switch straight to abilities from inventory anymore? < 1339009355 622286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1339009361 790009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which levelplacething are you at? < 1339009496 347636 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339009531 860716 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, Milkman Conspiracy. < 1339009545 175011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good level. < 1339009554 65806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :place < 1339009554 809205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing < 1339009607 505344 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339009671 173325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339009719 171032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Did you play Psychonauts? < 1339009734 216799 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 269 seconds < 1339009839 594772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you? < 1339009843 833535 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i what? < 1339009890 481132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play Psychonauts? < 1339009898 684111 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339009898 944639 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I keep falling off though because I'm impatient and always use levitate to move around. < 1339009900 580418 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear it's good < 1339009903 439203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's good. < 1339009912 722260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get it at http://www.humblebundle.com/ < 1339009921 500682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They even have a GNU/X11/Linux version. < 1339009926 677452 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1339009934 766138 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never had trouble with that stuff last time i played it < 1339009941 815009 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU/X11, because X11 is only the kernel < 1339009956 35013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: So did I. < 1339009969 919601 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah, i had Psychonauts and Amnesia even before the HB. < 1339009995 813988 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ve loved Amnesia, Psychonauts and Bastion. I have yet to try the other two. < 1339010006 782647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had Psychonauts and I think Bastion before the HB. < 1339010024 525853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But last time I tried Bastion it seemed uninteresting. < 1339010029 630717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it was only for a few minutes. < 1339010064 612990 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Amnesia on Steam < 1339010089 473085 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to have a story that is revealed bit by bit, and i love how beautiful it looks and sounds. < 1339010092 718247 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never played it < 1339010092 899213 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't like my video card or something < 1339010094 383533 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastion, that is. < 1339010107 945507 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339010108 105206 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1339010108 105361 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339010124 45846 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amnesia has an amazing atmosphere. It should preferably be played in a dark room with headphones. :-) < 1339010132 345442 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been told that, yeah < 1339010168 266179 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it should be played in a dark room with headphones while coming up on shrooms" < 1339010243 103976 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you know what makes no sense. < 1339010246 703650 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, do you have thoughts on Clojure? < 1339010257 416236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Lotsa things? < 1339010275 232851 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you're invisible those agents will still catch you. < 1339010294 170661 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339010297 549892 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it makes sense < 1339010336 231193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: They're agents! They're extremely competent, as you can tell. < 1339010361 592613 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have used it only a little bit < 1339010364 648348 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the super paranoid milkman's mind. invisibility is the art of making yourself very uninteresting, but a paranoid mind can't be fooled by such tricks < 1339010367 391912 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems pretty cool < 1339010389 421295 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like metaprogramming, i like lisps, and clojure is more likely than other lisps to be something you can use on "real" projects < 1339010408 415212 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main clojure guy really Gets It in terms of the relationship between functional and imperative programming < 1339010417 613946 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, Java interop seems to poison it though < 1339010423 579095 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has a talk about the difference between identity, value, and state < 1339010434 515966 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is something clojure and haskell get right, and practically every other languages gets wrong < 1339010444 309068 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clojure and haskell are technologically very different but philosophically close < 1339010455 97782 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why is having that option a bad thing? < 1339010482 44772 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It causes the language to be less useful < 1339010485 377928 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, not useful < 1339010492 422464 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beautiful. It makes it less beautiful < 1339010502 549846 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try (map Math/sin [0 1 2 3]) < 1339010519 184429 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then (map #(Math/sin %) [0 1 2 3]) < 1339010593 908203 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of these does not work? < 1339010629 876906 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first does not. < 1339010652 717982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how in JavaScript you can't say "var foo = console.log; foo(5);" < 1339010663 412075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say foo = console.log.bind(console) or something like that, though. < 1339010679 29548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thnaks, cnosole.lgo)(! < 1339010691 316045 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339010722 809010 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, i was bitten by an equivalent problem just recently. < 1339010730 122411 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that sucks :/ < 1339010737 895826 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a fundamental reason for that < 1339010739 243181 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected var foo = bar.baz; foo(…) to work. < 1339010747 840965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Now you know why! < 1339010753 867103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe you knew why before too.) < 1339010754 180718 :Lumpio_!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339010771 838764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Do you like how "eval(...);" isn't the same as "(5,eval)(...);"? < 1339010776 959140 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, i still don’t know *why*. :-P < 1339010778 952394 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a silly egghead FP academic would expect that to work < 1339010789 973802 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I like how ",,," == new Array(4) < 1339010795 764119 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1339010800 853480 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339010805 866775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Because when you say foo.bar(), "this" is set to foo in bar's evaluation context thing. < 1339010843 521408 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah, i figured as much, but that just explain the problem, not *why*. :-P < 1339010853 492270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, how would you do it? < 1339010856 705242 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I think it's due to Math/sin being a Java static method? < 1339010870 849405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keeping in mind JS's prototypical OO thing and all that. < 1339010889 151049 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339010891 83803 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: but why shouldn't those be callable like functions < 1339010893 981483 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I haven’t actually thought about this that thorougly. < 1339010923 310231 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it go against some philosophical rule of Clojure, or is there some implementation difficulty, or they just haven't got around to making it work? < 1339010985 430246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2208865/how-do-i-pass-a-static-method-to-comp-in-clojure < 1339011021 319192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it goes against the philisophical rule of being a slave to easy Java interop < 1339011023 546264 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339011106 815294 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i'm confused < 1339011115 132069 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying they care too little about java interop to make this work? < 1339011116 584882 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or too much? < 1339011122 912167 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the latter case, how does that make any sense < 1339011173 30017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much... or maybe it's an efficiency thing? I don't actually know < 1339011178 821974 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a Clojure designer < 1339011186 78219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#clojure does exist < 1339011211 413259 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they cared too much about java interop, then wouldn't they work hard to make java methods be first-class in clojure? < 1339011253 971455 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, do I have any chance of getting you to ask in #clojure , because I'm curious too < 1339011292 399538 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339011418 572707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And if your browser isn't quite new enough to say console.log.bind(console), fortunately you can say something as obvious as http://p.zem.fi/jsbind to almost make it work except not really with the same semantics. < 1339011425 571482 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339011458 224086 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339011476 218007 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no < 1339011478 25016 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1339011486 524787 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION asks
< 1339011487 68247 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could ask in #clojure ;P < 1339011519 163920 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339011536 659259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: clojure functions are each actually classes, java methods are just bytecode < 1339011759 141726 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my question isn't so much "why are they different" as "why can't one be implicitly converted to the other" < 1339011928 624983 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, is this an adequate way to ask your question? gtrak, is it not possible to, when Clojure sees a Java method being used in a context where a clojure function is expected, implictly make a clojure function or something like that? < 1339012011 190948 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: sorta < 1339012011 390629 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: it's very easy to do < 1339012011 390849 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ,(#(.toString "hello")) < 1339012011 390961 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : what function does ".foo" represent? (fn [x] (.foo x))? or (fn [x y] (.foo x y))? or... < 1339012096 964458 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339012152 820727 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133D90.dip.t-dialin.net PART :#esoteric < 1339012200 894542 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Severe netsplit now occuring < 1339012226 964012 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339012227 123415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Or just var log = function() { return console.log.apply(console, arguments); }; < 1339012302 478994 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, oh also did you try clairvoyance everyone? < 1339012318 467235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : hiredman: at some point we talked for a few minutes about how you could automatically turn Foo/bar into a function, if it's used in a context where it can't be anything else. i couldn't remember if you'd actually done it < 1339012318 649805 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : definitely not < 1339012318 809550 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* johnmn3 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) < 1339012318 809732 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : definitely doable < 1339012340 119982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Not everyone but lots of people/things. < 1339012349 690695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean in general or inside the milkworld? < 1339012537 514778 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general. < 1339012542 254134 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works on like everyone. < 1339012574 944968 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....WTF < 1339012582 739217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF did I just listen to? < 1339012605 764085 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://objects.activeworlds.com/aw/sounds/sbtechno4.mp3 < 1339012619 828441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You just listened to: < 1339012624 943473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://objects.activeworlds.com/aw/sounds/sbtechno4.mp3 < 1339012633 836325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hope That HTHs" < 1339012640 106850 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a light switch rave! < 1339012648 209652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Isn't Dr. Loboto great? < 1339012656 21811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish he was *my* doctor. < 1339012678 596525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was surprised to discover that Dr. Loboto was referred to as "he".) < 1339012690 453203 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do you not like strongbad? < 1339012693 554342 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone in Psychonauts has a screechy voice. < 1339012697 555716 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because they're psychic. < 1339012700 719514 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339012707 314059 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because they are "characters" < 1339012715 405242 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the milo spy german dude < 1339012718 361067 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like his voice < 1339012725 727484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Dr. Loboto is psychic? < 1339012760 653634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I needed to adjust my volume, at the volume it was at, it was screechy < 1339012771 2809 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know how Haddock plays with fixity declarations for class methods? < 1339012806 219237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: What rank are you at? < 1339012823 213389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it "on goode authority" that you want to get to at least 90 before The Big Fight. < 1339012853 300011 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: belay that authority. i had no trouble beating the game with ~60/65 exp < 1339012880 474622 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need regeneration or whatever. i never got it. < 1339012896 488500 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do need to sleep before you fight the butcher the first time < 1339012897 832902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia is probably right. < 1339012903 24541 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and run the meat circus < 1339012906 423957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep? < 1339012913 787746 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: like, in real life < 1339012928 152054 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's impossible to beat if you've been playing for 8 hours and been up for 18 < 1339012928 444860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Oh. < 1339012933 174274 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but easy if you just got up < 1339012939 948288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Apparently: < 1339012954 292393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PS One of the self-funded improvements we made to the game was fixing some bugs that made Meat Circus harder than it was meant to be. So please give the new build a try! :)" < 1339012965 538803 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1339012967 368356 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1339012973 736326 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339013084 568817 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom__Hoover: What rank are you at? < 1339013086 712732 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :34. < 1339013225 656166 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not completely sure the designers accounted for how floaty the levitation jump is. < 1339013228 283780 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339013274 324167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: One of the least pleasant parts of the game was the levitation-training-course. :-( < 1339013463 527742 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite liked it. < 1339013475 131171 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't fall that much. < 1339013949 309689 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you learn it it becomes super handy < 1339014468 993199 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, besides the stupidity of some people in #clojure, and the excessive Java focus, are there any big problems with Clojure? < 1339014836 195869 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1339015129 932344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, what a beautiful sunset. I should get my camera out. Might need HDR to do it justice though. < 1339015462 711532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, hm I quite liked that level < 1339015490 508190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Speaking of which, I panoramizzed Norway quite a bit, I don't think I mentioned. Though I don't have a selection handy. < 1339015512 252761 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I found that my camera battery was not charged, so no photography for me atm < 1339015526 913949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it isn't just an AA, it is a custom form factor) < 1339015547 151827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nothing uploaded? < 1339015560 1171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would love to see some panoramas < 1339015561 407040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's quite a pile, I just don't have a good selection. < 1339015565 775122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1339015568 770317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xn--nxa.zem.fi/g2/d/20550-1/d07-133622-133717.jpg is I think kinda fancy, even though the waves are all messed up for the obvious reason, and I left the tripod in the car so the horizon is kinda snakey. < 1339015574 733936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's got that snow+sand thing going on. < 1339015581 234960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, snow+sand+sea thing. < 1339015609 350059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hugin can straighten horizons quite well < 1339015619 469025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah it is cool < 1339015628 863316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was this? < 1339015653 907059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, the horizon is straight, I meant the black border thing, since I didn't want to clip out too much. < 1339015668 819253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, take two passes, one high and the other low < 1339015668 978725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around Easter, this particular one was April 7th. < 1339015671 346646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tends to work < 1339015702 359602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, maybe less zoomed in would have helped with the waves, reducing the number of cuts at least < 1339015721 809281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of camera did you use? < 1339015722 335087 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8930D.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339015806 675596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia, I needed to adjust my volume, at the volume it was at, it was screechy <-- I did have to play around with the levels, but mostly the issue I had was that the music was way too loud compared to the voice < 1339015807 452848 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the least pleasant parts of the game was the meat circus, but since then Tim Schafer has said “One of the self-funded improvements we made to the game was fixing some bugs that made Meat Circus harder than it was meant to be. So please give the new build a try! :)” < 1339015822 589509 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK this game is getting obnoxiously hard. < 1339015828 898958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You should tell elliott that Psychonauts is good! < 1339015836 223251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also encourage Phantom__Hoover. < 1339015842 59147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Which part is obnoxiously hard? < 1339015843 384361 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, I haven't got to meat circus yet, though I think I'm just before it. < 1339015857 358757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only sort I have, it's this "compact-zoom" thing. Some of them do have two passes for higher vertical FOV. I'll try to find some others. < 1339015867 409925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, is it just after the boss battle against the tank (not the tank in the mind that is, the other tank)? < 1339015884 988555 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, i don’t remember exactly. < 1339015889 842692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, pretty much. < 1339015892 902603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not a DSLR? < 1339015901 339179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might be a short thing beforehand but it's the next major level. < 1339015902 777390 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I'm at Gloria's Theatre, but I'm hemorrhaging health. < 1339015907 521747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, yeah then I last saved just before that boss battle < 1339015918 364494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Because of those undestructible creatures that breathe fire at you? < 1339015937 62099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, since I'm a completionist I'm unlikely to continue playing for a while :P < 1339015946 474488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the story that is < 1339015957 858888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will try to pick up everything that I missed, cobwebs and so on < 1339015958 736196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completionist? < 1339015960 728393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1339015971 280892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point where you can't get back to the real world. < 1339015975 402928 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom__Hoover: Because of those undestructible creatures that breathe fire at you? < 1339015979 733487 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just everything. < 1339015985 93654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Note that you *can* get back to other minds past that point. < 1339015987 848390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not the real world. < 1339015994 11364 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The censors at the top of stairs on narrow, short catwalks aren't helping either,. < 1339015997 624461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, exactly, since it said "autosaving: point of no return" I went like "Okaaaaay..." < 1339016016 695477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So go finish the scavenger hunt and find all the cards and such. < 1339016019 854212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, well, I would need to go buy cores and so on < 1339016024 807796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you don't need to worry about cobwebs, I don't think. < 1339016030 336367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1339016039 553009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you cash them in for levels then? < 1339016043 991234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If I remember correctly you don't need to buy cores anymore past that point. < 1339016050 789286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, just psi blast them? < 1339016061 272027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339016063 78576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1339016067 236044 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The operative words here are 'narrow' and 'short'. < 1339016068 12542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. It's the sort of midway-but-not-quite. Built-in zoom lens that goes up to... "12x" or some-such, 432mm in 35mm-equiv terms. But the sensor is still tiny, so it's very noisy especially at ISO > 100. < 1339016082 235122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1339016084 581113 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't blast them because they just close and corner me. < 1339016103 558625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, similar to my camera then, except mine is only really noisy above ISO 200 < 1339016119 639754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is 10 years old or so by now < 1339016125 548010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, and the brains. < 1339016129 829153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find all the brains, maybe < 1339016135 34004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, right, I'm missing one brain still < 1339016144 39709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun. < 1339016145 495040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that blue guy who blasted squirrels < 1339016150 374065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue where his brain is < 1339016153 155828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dogen? < 1339016174 416221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, err probably, I suck at remembering names (even in real life) < 1339016203 202803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one who loses his brain? < 1339016217 75524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339016217 235085 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Rees and Blackwing Pencils: Artisanal Pencil Sharpening http://youtu.be/spMaP-_Cq_8 < 1339016221 767838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that guy < 1339016240 465645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that one was tricky. < 1339016250 468405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, he blasted some squirrels if you talked to him at one point earlier. < 1339016256 745397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1339016281 195814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway where was that brain < 1339016302 969344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the place with the rats. < 1339016316 140308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hmm, here's another. It's taken by walking around this thing http://zem.fi/g2/d/20784-2/d08-074718-p1120942.jpg so there's a bit of parallax-caused "chain cuts off in air" sort of stuff, but not too much: http://zem.fi/g2/d/20789-1/d08-074812-074922.jpg < 1339016329 717378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, so a huge section of the tower then? < 1339016333 692242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot of help that < 1339016366 582800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you should have climbed onto the top of it < 1339016370 194971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1339016393 858122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was a locked hatch. (Or maybe I just didn't feel like it.) < 1339016398 655304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't remember exactly. < 1339016416 254506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume I can look it up as well as you can... < 1339016420 613970 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Pretty. Hugin? I’d suggest straightening the horizont. < 1339016428 520830 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s quite easy with Hugin. < 1339016430 756095 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wasn't the latest photoshop version supposed to have some sort of fancy thing that filled in missing stuff based on surrounding image areas, and that even worked quite well < 1339016436 712919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seem to remember hearing about that < 1339016453 701029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be useful with panoramas < 1339016495 664091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It has that thing, yes. And Gimp has that "Resynthesizer" plugin, which... works less well. < 1339016502 782411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it does work not too shabbily sometimes.) < 1339016505 50910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, well I could just google it and find some walkthrough, but using a walkthrough just feels like failing the game to me < 1339016511 560317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339016534 6733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It's gone through one iteration of the "Straighten" button already. I had too many of these to join to actually really look at the output, and people wanted to see the photos already. < 1339016544 598837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What's the difference between that and asking on IRC? < 1339016553 694296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Being a completionistperson seems like pain enough to me, anyway. < 1339016568 593984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, at least I don't risk seeing anything else that would be a spoiler by asking on IRC :P < 1339016572 787935 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not sure the straighten button actually straightens the horizon. You need to add some control points for that. < 1339016580 288969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ah, I see. You want me to look it up and paste it in here? < 1339016580 878882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :photoshop is so confusing nowdays, they have all sorts of different editions it seems... < 1339016583 737662 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then just optimize as usual. < 1339016588 111824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that would be very kind < 1339016615 786746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dogen's Brain: In the large tower, from the left end of the lowest wooden walkway around the rim, jump and float along the wall to a small crumbled ledge below. Step out one of the windows here to find the far on an outdoor landing." < 1339016643 281441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did manage to clear all the cobwebs in several minds btw already. Need to go back to some of the early ones to clean them up. And then there are all those figments of imagination around. That is going to take ages to clean up < 1339016664 194950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Here's one straight off the road: http://zem.fi/g2/d/20130-1/d06-122503-122700.jpg < 1339016666 400475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it isn't even useful to look up guides, because who knows which one I missed < 1339016686 89474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, thanks < 1339016688 680088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The weather was quite... variable.) < 1339016717 192871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm? Looks the same across that pano at least? < 1339016736 25611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You know that the only benefit to going from level 95 to level 100 is that it shows you a little movie? < 1339016736 583458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I mean, just in general, across the trip. < 1339016745 877317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, ouch < 1339016752 592243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, anyway I'm on like 89 atm < 1339016753 970867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got stuck in snow once and all. < 1339016759 210721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: At level 90 you get regeneration. < 1339016767 100458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 95 you get unlimited ammo. < 1339016776 814568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, wait, was it 89? Hm, what was it that you got at 85? < 1339016793 255318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a few of these are hotel room photos, it's too useful in tight corners to be able to fake a wide-angle objective. < 1339016794 413389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double confusion? < 1339016797 68846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrecking ball is the last one I remember getting, though I was rather sleepy when I stopped playing < 1339016807 907178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yesterday night) < 1339016835 16305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, btw, what is the video about? < 1339016841 158465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it worth watching?) < 1339016875 718705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can't your camera do wide angle? Mine goes down to 28mm (35 mm equiv) < 1339016893 264446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is reasonably wide angle < 1339016910 536042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is 28-370 or something like that. < 1339016953 14966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, it stops at the "standard-ish" 36mm. The next model did 28-, it became a popular thing to do around that time. Oh well. < 1339016991 561029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, more popular; certainly cameras that did 28mm already existed at that time; I think it's from 2007 or so.) < 1339017020 467667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339017038 742439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my camera is from 2002 or 2003 or so < 1339017053 924535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah they existed :P < 1339017135 837744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it has really amazing macro, I can get like 5-10 cm away from the subject, depending on the zoom level) < 1339017191 921856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's another full-circle one from a road rest stop: http://zem.fi/g2/d/20413-1/d07-102527-102558.jpg -- it's right next to this fancy bridge http://zem.fi/g2/d/20432-2/d07-102747-p1120558.jpg -- that's behind the snow-heap there. < 1339017202 129777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can just see the top of the bridge.) < 1339017245 422412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice bridge < 1339017261 55072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I've managed to have a seam right in our car. :/ (Well, it *is* quite close.) < 1339017272 389369 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, did firefox change something or why is the background for the image page not white? < 1339017277 283138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it actually a html page? < 1339017285 217130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be a HTML page, actually. < 1339017286 866071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where is the view source alternative then < 1339017296 5504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of those Gallery2 URLs, it might be doing weird stuffs. < 1339017296 404975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it is grayed out < 1339017305 477466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :view source is grayed out though < 1339017318 346871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's white for me. Dunno. < 1339017324 510556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also wtf is up with the redirect: http://β.zem.fi/g2/d/20432-2/d07-102747-p1120558.jpg < 1339017331 344276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy DNS < 1339017335 321971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why?) < 1339017344 778100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sort of regretting the β, honestly. < 1339017351 780872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1339017360 368242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nice when it works, but xn--nxa.zem.fi is less optimal. < 1339017364 976074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339017369 859511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some browsers are very asinine about when they show IDNs and when not. < 1339017376 221686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1339017380 17456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones? < 1339017381 272765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to add Greek to my list of languages in order for Chrome to show that letter. < 1339017387 973295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1339017402 975511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me open chromium and check < 1339017403 976551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whereas Firefox just has a TLD whitelist of domains where there's an official protocol for avoiding confusing names.) < 1339017414 674121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it doesn't do it < 1339017429 500650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox seems a lot more sensible there < 1339017449 673408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not terribly sensible to apply TLD-specific rules when it comes to non-second-level domain name components, though. < 1339017456 610368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1339017482 906933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can watch the bonus video online if you want to. < 1339017493 195427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's worth the agony. < 1339017499 522982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore you don't need to complete past level 95. < 1339017514 580689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's redirected because "zem.fi" is on the VPS nowadays, but there's just 6G of disk there total, and the Gallery2 data directory is already 19G, so I host it locally. < 1339017645 968805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, hm still, gah < 1339017685 473495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the pricing plans for VPS disk space tend to be absolutely terrible in my experience < 1339017697 629654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for RAM really < 1339017753 3481 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339017754 598656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, hm I wonder what is the lowest level you could complete the game on, certainly you do need some of the skills you get from leveling < 1339017760 384754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like invisibility iirc < 1339017811 914996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the reverse-completionist. < 1339017884 285784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite interesting as well < 1339017890 263753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember a Chrono Trigger low-level-run with Crono at level 1. < 1339017897 205042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it would certainly be much harder to do < 1339017907 177788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about the other characters? < 1339017929 697374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: More, sadly. Some of them join at quite high levels. I'll see if I can figure out how to Google for it. < 1339017963 560636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway just getting chrono at level 1 is quite an achievement. I can't actually see how it would be possible < 1339017974 221687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/getting/keeping/ < 1339017979 230112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get exp when knocked-out, so Crono spends quite a lot of time unconscious. < 1339018002 903123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about keeping a Chrono Legionnaire unpromoted? < 1339018005 458730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be pretty easy. < 1339018017 301791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The initial on-party-join levels are apparently 1, 1, 2, 5, 10, 18 and 37 for Crono, Marle, Lucca, Frog, Robo, Ayla and Magus, respectively. < 1339018021 448852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what game is that? < 1339018028 607425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Red Alert 2. < 1339018033 172893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1339018034 101065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"goode game" < 1339018052 740834 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what sort of game red alert is < 1339018084 714583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm kock out happens at 0 HP right? < 1339018090 601063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339018103 848583 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please put it back in. < 1339018110 244166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusing that chrono actually dies as well. Ah the power of the cut scenes. < 1339018127 845888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Real-time strategy" < 1339018131 579928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Okay, final levels in this run-through were Crono at level 1, Marle at level 4, Lucca at 15, Frog at 15, Robo at 16, Ayla at 20 and Magus at 37. (There's the item called "Wallet" which turns gained exp into gold, but you can only get that in the Zeal era, i.e. quite late in the game.) < 1339018134 662324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, right < 1339018152 254869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You should acquire a copy! < 1339018156 101546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1339018166 764821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, not really into RTS < 1339018187 485527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from possibly dwarf fortress, and that isn't strictly an RTS, it is a lot more than that. < 1339018231 406589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The full description of the run is in GameFAQs, Chrono Trigger (SNES), "Low-Level FAQ/Walkthrough", but it's some >4000 lines of text...) < 1339018238 710497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339018286 79874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA2 is, like, a special case, man. < 1339018326 722756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1339018460 982798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Apparently during the game Crono gains a total of 9+6=15 exp, from a total of two fights. (Level 2 comes at 20 exp.) Rest of the time you just let him die before the end of every fight. < 1339018479 918519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339018495 368531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must not be a very pleasant run-though from the point of view of the characters. < 1339018529 494403 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1339018569 66514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339018583 647099 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339018595 263678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess after you gain robo you can just move him out of your party < 1339018638 507286 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339018663 886022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think they mostly keep the currently highest-leveled character as the single conscious-at-end-of-battle character, since the gaps between gaining levels are largest for him/her/it. < 1339018671 780566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, and I think there's a level-1 run of Final Fantasy IX too. It ends up finishing the final boss with a party of four level-1 characters. < 1339018722 403948 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: chrono legionnaires were the best < 1339018728 311880 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could totally bust the allied campaign up with them < 1339018736 393345 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you used the waypoint trick < 1339018741 851643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Waypoint trick? < 1339018756 163458 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A legionnaire doesn't time out if it moves a short distance < 1339018767 146877 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you set up a bunch of waypoints to move it across the map very quickly in short hops < 1339018770 475639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1339018774 467067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1339018776 69424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1339018783 979487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, RA2 is the future, man. < 1339018790 623382 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just get enough of them into a weakly-defended location in order to freeze all the defenses < 1339018796 124865 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :really really powerful on, say, the kremlin level < 1339018820 763027 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the AI is braindead so it doesn't go "oh hey things behind my lines I should stop them" < 1339018825 894931 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it assumes that the defenses present will be enough < 1339018831 173851 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which they aren't, because you're vaporizing them < 1339018846 535471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a terrible game < 1339018850 874147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the AI is that bad < 1339018856 921792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339018872 266625 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in campaign mode the AI mostly executes a series of preplanned things < 1339018880 115097 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "build up X force then attack with it" < 1339018886 998670 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks different < 1339018892 142750 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fairly old so AI still rather sucked back then < 1339018900 772215 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the harder AI just cheats. < 1339018929 824178 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like building multiple buildings simultaneously, which a player can never do < 1339018934 314831 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ever played RA3? < 1339018937 794704 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty good < 1339018939 228312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible < 1339018941 174279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yep! < 1339018944 156636 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it leans too far to micromanagement I think < 1339018948 823818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. :-( < 1339018948 983707 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with special abilities) < 1339018954 670593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTSes all do that. < 1339018956 974846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. < 1339018968 61907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, there are some that lean the other way < 1339018979 695481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tend to feel dumbed down though < 1339018993 901177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scriptability would seem to be the obvious way to fix that. < 1339018996 794054 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA3 was particularly bad < 1339019009 544387 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since a force that you were watching carefully could do notably better < 1339019010 174330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, like the macros in df? < 1339019020 717742 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you could tell it to use special weapons at appropriate times < 1339019027 651413 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some units this makes a huge difference < 1339019034 474376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know anything about df. < 1339019036 44535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :df -h < 1339019040 495807 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever played Majesty? < 1339019040 655379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, dwarf fortress < 1339019044 156447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. < 1339019046 559146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you should play it < 1339019048 919742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is cool < 1339019055 153154 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a great (if occasionally frustrating) RTS that didnt' have you micromanage < 1339019056 69149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Nope. < 1339019064 122969 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you were just the king, you couldn't order your units around < 1339019072 516532 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanted them to kill stuff, you had to put a bounty on it < 1339019076 526958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339019084 651168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Do you still have RA3 set up? < 1339019088 514148 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. < 1339019094 336857 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a computer capable of playing it atm < 1339019105 529429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old is that game? < 1339019112 112027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA3 that is < 1339019112 579053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA2 is from ~2000 < 1339019118 3548 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 3-4 years I think? < 1339019118 715054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA3 is from -- ~2007? < 1339019127 93586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008 < 1339019127 641293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anything modern should be able to play RA2 then :P < 1339019136 36028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA3 might be a different matter < 1339019136 952764 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I can definitely play RA2 on Wine < 1339019138 267960 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :works fine < 1339019139 609560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA2 has this annoying DRM. < 1339019142 338755 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339019145 936721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i h8 ur drm ra2" < 1339019149 90217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as they say" < 1339019170 943637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it work on WINE? < 1339019173 623228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only good DRM ever was the monkey island DRM, it was amusing < 1339019191 144613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the dial a pirate stuff) < 1339019261 135790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Do you know why RA3 runs so well under WINE? < 1339019320 62512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer: Because EA explicitly made it run well under wine in order to "port" to OS X: http://transgaming.com/cider/games?page=2 < 1339019406 584840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I downloaded bastion for linux from the humble bundle (I owned it on steam already). It was news to me that XNA games worked under mono, but it came with mono included so... < 1339019427 969535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't get it to work on the laptop I had at hand at that point though, intel graphics < 1339019607 988811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, anyway the last humble bundle is amazing < 1339019616 659325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :best one ever I think. < 1339019635 975607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should make one bundle that has all the good games. < 1339019640 610238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Y'know what fools the black-hats every time? Store the passwords in plaintext; but require all users to create a password consisting of exactly 64 hexadecimal characters... < 1339019640 794530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339019643 479261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1339019643 647483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 5h 44m 50s ago: Did you fix that NetHack 4 message fix yet? :( < 1339019661 328277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3184900.62 dollars cannot be wrong. < 1339019669 384709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott during the tournament, I'm avoiding all but critical fixes < 1339019669 544296 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339019685 935137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is kinda-sorta sad, though, that there's a brony on top of the contributor list. < 1339019789 555792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, so... Trine, Psychonauts, Bastion, Avadon: The Black Fortress (I love Spiderweb Software!), Braid, Botanicula, Darwinia, VVVVVV? < 1339019806 736634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly limbo and amnesia too, though I'm not a fan of horror games < 1339019848 557146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :World of Goo is not a bad waste of time either. < 1339019876 266409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not if you run out of other things no < 1339019915 750043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it annoys me when I own some of the games previously, like Avadon or Bastion. Owned those before the respective bundles < 1339019948 246800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, using the objective "total purchases" measure, this last one is indeed the most glorious bundle. < 1339019953 951807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't get the bundle with Avadon because of that. Got the bundle with bastion due to psychonauts < 1339019976 100932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though (at least at the moment, anyway) not if using the "average price" measure. < 1339020028 342936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tends to raise slowly, it still got several days to go < 1339020057 152014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs to go up to $9.18 to match the first bundle, it might well not get that far. < 1339020074 834809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably not that much < 1339020104 800616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was around $6.68 or so when I bought, about one day in. < 1339020125 3974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure someone has a graph somewhere. :p < 1339020154 497743 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339020191 731327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why, but if I hover my mouse over the pie graph of Windows/Mac/Linux, it turns grayscale. < 1339020218 56060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, *tries* < 1339020236 668300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah true < 1339020262 485014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very weird < 1339020506 862965 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: for RA2, you need to get nocd patches and pray hard < 1339020510 877524 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: for RA3, dunno < 1339020519 64659 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried since my computer can't run in anyway < 1339020560 310486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Are these "nocd patches" official? < 1339020567 163320 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339020576 160157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All hail the Sun God, he sure is a fun god, RA RA2 RA3. < 1339020584 765911 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you also need them for the other option, which is a VM < 1339020592 852348 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :please detach the debugger FUCK YOU < 1339020619 783258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: In a VM you can use a CD image. < 1339020624 109453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of the right kind.) < 1339020628 724646 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, you can't < 1339020635 873197 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: RA2 mistakes the VM for a debugger < 1339020640 975007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not .iso, but some other kind. < 1339020642 747582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Oh. < 1339020657 283531 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRM again < 1339020668 604533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, DRM. < 1339020840 585715 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may not exist with hardware virtualization < 1339020846 863125 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does exist with software < 1339020896 557660 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1339020908 598488 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: Yeah, they apparently used http://monogame.codeplex.com/ with good success. < 1339021044 983311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339021074 451749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, should try magicka with that, though that might be steamworks as well, not sure < 1339021179 154019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're supposed to have the sources of the game in question, at least in the usual way of using that thing. < 1339021195 913254 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, probably. < 1339021300 155359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1339021314 525869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not ABI compatible? < 1339021408 645569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't *know* anything. At least it might involve fiddling. < 1339021431 153427 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1339021431 350471 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1339021445 314229 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. I have lag of 30.08 < 1339021457 522844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that really something to be proud of? < 1339021522 900232 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. now it is gone < 1339021525 985252 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8930D.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339021538 111279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's that IPv6 launch day today. (Well, yesterday already, as seen from here.) < 1339021591 91475 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo ^echo foo < 1339021591 796534 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo foo < 1339021667 802664 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bwahaha < 1339021683 603970 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1339021704 288937 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo `run echo "foo" < 1339021704 922304 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "foo" < 1339021709 955928 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339021713 857417 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1339021718 33462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, IPv6 launch day? < 1339021720 594039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1339021725 85741 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1339021728 582636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ < 1339021735 545769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv6 has been around for ages, but no one uses it < 1339021756 838831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Facebook, Google, Youtube and Yahoo now do. < 1339021761 20403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1339021769 397080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has been ipv6.google.com for ages < 1339021776 324187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but "google.com" is now v6. < 1339021793 670988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, now my tunnel is counterproductive -_- < 1339021794 292138 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#rawirc PRIVMSG oonbotti :#rawirc PRIVMSG oonbotti :#rawirc PRIVMSG #esoteric foo < 1339021808 67316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ADSL modem doesn't even support ipv6 < 1339021813 304876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does my ISP afaik < 1339021828 259348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is "youtube.com" and "facebook.com" and "yahoo.com". And then some lesser fish (microsoft.com, aol.com, netflix.com, mozilla.org) but those four are the top four Alexa-ranked pages of the entire interwebs. < 1339021853 639445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I should now stop my ipv6 tunnel if I ever want to watch a youtube video < 1339021854 365714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1339021875 855021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the bandwidth is not as good as native, obviously) < 1339021880 321697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A couple of network operators (Verizon Wireless, Comcast) also default-enabled v6, for some definition of the term. < 1339021888 653119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I can /just/ about manage 1080p on my native connection) < 1339021944 564506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funet, the Finnish university network, is on the list. Maybe it means they'll finally get some native v6 at the university. Probably not, though. (The student housing network has been v6-enabled for ages, as I recall.) < 1339021977 749127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it just means that Funet is willing if the client is interested, which has also been the case long now. < 1339021988 63671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339022002 433152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where is the list? < 1339022006 264600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is tele2 there? < 1339022023 137209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.worldipv6launch.org/participants/?q=2 -- not too many names. < 1339022045 800312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funet seems to be the only thing from Finland. < 1339022072 900902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339022077 418339 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1339022085 631753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"slbkbs.org: now brought to you with the power of ipv6" < 1339022119 855128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably mostly a matter of finding someone in the organization willing to put a name there. Certainly SUNET gives out IPv6 addresses too. < 1339022122 839278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :slbkbs.org? < 1339022124 695101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stats.sunet.se/ipv6/ < 1339022199 668007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see facebook has decided to be "clever" with their addresses. < 1339022200 206587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :facebook.com has IPv6 address 2a03:2880:10:8f01:face:b00c:0:25 < 1339022200 365303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :facebook.com has IPv6 address 2a03:2880:2110:3f01:face:b00c:: < 1339022200 365498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :facebook.com has IPv6 address 2a03:2880:10:1f02:face:b00c:0:25 < 1339022209 7979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :face:b00c, yes yes, very "heh". < 1339022224 995091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1339022247 117855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: My domain name! < 1339022252 54995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339022283 341132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"doing my part" < 1339022303 343467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zem.fi should also be accessible for v6-only hosts nowadays, I think I finally got some IPv6 glue in the .fi registry when they upgraded their infrastructure earlier this year. < 1339022341 868558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, "dig @a.fi zem.fi" gives out one v6 address too. "Yay." < 1339022377 913130 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have no ipv6 connectivity at all < 1339022408 362098 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... except at work < 1339022465 555574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :aalto.fi, our university, at least has IPv6able DNS by virtue of having ns-secondary.funet.fi as a secondary DNS server. That's all, though. < 1339022720 876400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ams-ix.net/sflow-stats/ipv6/ -- well, that's somewhat of a bump there for today. < 1339022726 213666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it needs ipv6 glue? Only for the DNS surely? < 1339022776 353555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I didn't have that earlier. The .fi roots have been v6-enabled again for ages, but IIRC the domain administration webterface didn't let you stick in glue, and my DNS server used to have an in-zem.fi name. < 1339022789 421343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339022856 500061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is of course important for that huge number of v6-only hosts that don't have any IPv4 connectivity at all. < 1339022964 377782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the rather large subset of that who frequent zem.fi. < 1339022972 634070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in integer terms that rounds up to... 0 hosts. < 1339023244 82180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339023244 82320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1339023277 534502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was fast. < 1339023412 754642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a.fi is one of the .fi root servers? < 1339023462 432357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, they're named a.fi, b.fi, ... up to some letter. Us Finns are not known for creativity, after all. < 1339023485 972333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm trying to remember what the root servers are called < 1339023491 91895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know they're single letters too, but forget the domain < 1339023507 878882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They go up to i, apparently. < 1339023526 525049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are X.root-servers.net. < 1339023555 640923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And X.gtld-servers.net handle .com and some others. < 1339023557 604594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc they are usually written in upper case < 1339023563 790480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the DNS that is < 1339023574 365944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that too. The .fi roots aren't. < 1339023580 217262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339023590 511322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ host 193.0.14.129 < 1339023590 700894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :129.14.0.193.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer k.root-servers.net. < 1339023591 275690 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339023597 624721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe it normalizes the casing? < 1339023604 643339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that bot? < 1339023606 627602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ help < 1339023606 990064 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339023611 531709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ words < 1339023612 227011 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET + DROP SWAP DUP NIP OVER >R * - / . R@ R> MOD < 1339023618 284047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Forthy thing. < 1339023620 370396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Forth < 1339023621 464623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339023625 820356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ANS Forth? < 1339023632 851105 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm probably not < 1339023639 941301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not if that is the complete word list < 1339023640 100829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. (It's not mine.) < 1339023648 427185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the minimum Forth subset needed to implement the rest, without involving asm anywhere? < 1339023652 777915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there are multiple such subsets < 1339023665 823973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously. < 1339023688 11898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There was a comp.forth (IIRC) thread about that recently. Some of the constructions were rather bizarre, especially after expanding. < 1339023711 62031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/comp/comp.lang/. < 1339023719 316836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you mean bizarre? < 1339023726 548293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in word like : are just weird? < 1339023729 653890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :words* < 1339023741 667885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, : is not a proper word is it? I don't remember < 1339023754 541801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do remember the definition of ; is weird < 1339023802 263467 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not even close. oonbotto doesn't even have conditional execution or loops < 1339023822 428795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339023846 106205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, it is your bot? < 1339023848 172881 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I could get it to : ; r> >r r@ if then begin while repeat - < 1339023851 343129 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1339023852 293676 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339023856 804385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, why so few words? < 1339023870 150769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin but not end? neat < 1339023889 863827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just that if you build the "primitive" stack manipulations out of >R and R>, and then the "bit less primitive" ones (nip, etc.) out of those, the more complicated ones, expanded out, will look rather horrible. < 1339023917 695708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1339023920 814335 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't really worked with that forth interpreter that much. I will make if and while available < 1339023925 109172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which one is "nip" now again? < 1339023945 411792 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well oonbotti actually implements stack manipulation with them < 1339023949 45375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you want DOES> too < 1339023952 790195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could find references to a 9-word set in comp.lang.forth. < 1339023958 864330 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why? < 1339023982 499478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, how else can you implement separate run time and compile time semantics? < 1339023987 610600 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget drop < 1339023990 266526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :properly I mean < 1339023991 598655 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget swap < 1339023994 465019 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget dup < 1339023997 835796 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget nip < 1339024005 467661 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget + < 1339024010 852473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339024011 16296 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ words < 1339024011 752418 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET OVER >R * - / . R@ R> MOD < 1339024019 107062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, hm what is the definition of of FORGET now again? < 1339024028 321859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers running $ forget :
< 1339024033 558857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that would be evil) < 1339024057 772027 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: run it if you want. I have commad to restore the entire environment < 1339024062 567652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339024067 663392 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : dup >r r@ r> ; < 1339024077 853892 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : drop dup - - ; < 1339024086 681817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, that is a terrible definition of dup :( < 1339024093 787220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of drop too < 1339024099 845799 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : + >r 0 r> - - ; < 1339024103 640181 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why? < 1339024109 324217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :inefficient < 1339024114 928883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :those should be implemented in asm < 1339024115 640056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339024163 701983 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wanted to create small subset I could expand in forth. those are actually the original implementations < 1339024179 172167 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+of oonbottis forth interpreter < 1339024196 842095 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : swap over >r >r drop r> r> ; < 1339024220 651960 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : nip swap drop ; < 1339024223 673306 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ words < 1339024224 349252 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET + DROP SWAP DUP NIP OVER >R * - / . R@ R> MOD < 1339024236 981620 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget MOD < 1339024237 821499 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:word 'MOD' cannot be forgotten < 1339024254 47996 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I haven't rewritten that one in forth yet < 1339024274 733253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ouch < 1339024294 65798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ FORGET FORGET < 1339024294 248224 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:word 'FORGET' cannot be forgotten < 1339024296 839216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339024301 72 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :safety is stupid < 1339024310 582760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, dammit where is @ < 1339024318 786188 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :only words that are written in forth can be forgotten < 1339024328 766166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is annoying < 1339024340 503669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ FORGET ; < 1339024340 865963 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:word ';' cannot be forgotten < 1339024348 320313 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ resetenv < 1339024349 11853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ; can be written in Forth < 1339024354 854736 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how? < 1339024370 469828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, it uses EXIT and some restarting of the interpreter using ] iirc? < 1339024386 291576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ANS at least < 1339024394 615705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey resetenv is not listed in WORDS :/ < 1339024417 416336 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that is because it is not part of interpreter < 1339024442 648452 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just throws the old interpreter instace out of window and creates new < 1339024460 785537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well yes < 1339024464 398224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1339024484 566640 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: < 1339024489 315234 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ RESETENV < 1339024489 916462 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339024490 97665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : : ; POSTPONE EXIT REVEAL POSTPONE [ ; IMMEDIATE < 1339024490 330113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, I can't find the discussion. I think it even had some esolanger suggest a shorter r> >r mess and all. < 1339024492 88396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ^ < 1339024494 619955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it is < 1339024501 125910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :some trickery yes < 1339024514 696235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are lacking the IMMEDIATE word too < 1339024521 565809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't see how you can do that in Forth itself < 1339024564 201153 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I can really see how you can create whole ans forth using those < 1339024568 385488 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can't < 1339024584 828964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well no, you need a few more things < 1339024587 400980 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1339024596 378993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that bit is enough for defining ; < 1339024616 914593 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses ; to declare ; :P < 1339024631 785055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, how so? the [ handles that < 1339024662 998474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually < 1339024665 167647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339024673 512332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind then < 1339024767 958065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, here is a discussion; I remember reading at least this one. < 1339024775 441908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.retroprogramming.com/2009/07/perverse-code-deviant-forth.html < 1339024779 120934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has oklopol in the comments. < 1339024816 303321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there have been comp.lang.forth minimalism threads too. Nothing very conclusive. < 1339024829 8840 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339024836 168698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :">r >r >r r@ r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r >r >r r@ r> - - r> r@ r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r >r >r r@ r> - - r> r>" < 1339024847 343989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of a thing. < 1339024847 518635 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: interesting how over is exactly the same as mine < 1339024902 207835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing quoted above is I think ROT. < 1339024914 522386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least it's claimed to be. < 1339024941 330723 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : rot >r swap r> swap ; < 1339024956 167011 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is pretty elegant < 1339025010 160612 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 1+ 1 + ; < 1339025028 969669 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 0 r@ dup - ; < 1339025046 81476 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 0 1+ 1+ 1+ . < 1339025046 977828 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1339025048 778748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best zero. < 1339025058 871443 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1339025067 245663 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 0 r@ r@ - ; < 1339025070 333494 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 0 1+ 1+ 1+ . < 1339025070 888959 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1339025085 800403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : ">r >r >r r@ r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r >r >r r@ r> - - r> r@ r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r >r >r r@ r> - - r> r>" <-- which command is that? < 1339025094 871639 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: swap < 1339025100 602548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, rot. < 1339025109 436794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339025122 380881 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : rot >r >r >r r@ r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r >r >r r@ r> - - r> r@ r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r >r >r r@ r> - - r> r> ; < 1339025125 750465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a terrible implementation in practise :P < 1339025127 966816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, look at the >r >r >r at start, can't be swap. < 1339025136 344749 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 3 2 1 rot . . . < 1339025137 103943 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 1 2 < 1339025138 825506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a bit shorter one later on. < 1339025148 999082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't rot < 1339025162 262474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1339025163 166516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1339025165 681037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :">r >r >r r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - -" < 1339025169 886361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339025171 438525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the okoswap. < 1339025172 454528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading the stack the wrong way < 1339025195 437180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I wonder... < 1339025197 281513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : FORGET >r ; < 1339025206 402051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can replace words? < 1339025216 915280 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ WORDS < 1339025220 344437 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET FORGET + DROP 1+ 0 SWAP DUP NIP ROT OVER >R * - / . R@ R> MOD < 1339025222 341816 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339025236 354275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess you can't get at the real FORGET without resetting the env < 1339025240 507698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339025240 694436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1339025242 304125 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget forget < 1339025249 516360 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ resetenv < 1339025252 791158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339025277 631732 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339025400 747873 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually $ is just alias for #forth < 1339025403 97335 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#help < 1339025403 785502 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo, #welcome, #cat, #ls, #rm, #writefile, #cc, #exec, #msg, #readmsg, #forth, #loadforth < 1339025423 529081 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#writefile test.forth 1 2 3 . . . < 1339025435 179201 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#loadforth test.forth < 1339025436 375670 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 2 1 < 1339025445 120684 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#rm test.fortj < 1339025447 147598 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#rm test.forth < 1339025519 502076 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :#welcome nortti < 1339025520 323241 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Welcome to this completely useless channel! < 1339025551 980636 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was designed to run on #esoteric-en < 1339025569 503099 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget : < 1339025570 162822 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:word ':' cannot be forgotten < 1339025598 872120 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: only words defined on forth can be forgotten < 1339025599 557987 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame. < 1339025620 341969 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : : ; < 1339025641 209503 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: that worked < 1339025651 722831 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : test 1 . ; < 1339025654 300427 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ test < 1339025654 942681 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1339025667 624992 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget forget ; < 1339025668 293111 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:word 'FORGET' cannot be forgotten < 1339025669 969374 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget test < 1339025672 437580 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget : < 1339025673 600988 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget : < 1339025674 457064 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:word ':' cannot be forgotten < 1339025680 238802 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339025685 280925 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ words < 1339025685 836180 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET + DROP SWAP DUP NIP OVER >R * - / . R@ R> MOD < 1339025692 664820 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget + < 1339025695 671675 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget drop < 1339025698 292076 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget swap < 1339025700 906483 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget dup < 1339025703 145713 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget nip < 1339025705 800554 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget over < 1339025759 675184 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and later I will implement MOD in forth < 1339026054 565415 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339026452 261750 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 2dup over over ; < 1339026464 207438 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 1 2 2dup . . . . < 1339026464 771569 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Stack underflow < 1339026495 393072 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 1 2 over . . . < 1339026496 48819 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339026505 971116 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ resetenv < 1339026509 391823 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 2dup over over ; < 1339026512 288318 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 1 2 over . . . < 1339026512 906008 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 1 < 1339026518 900017 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 1 2 2dup . . . . < 1339026519 585671 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 1 2 1 < 1339026545 364687 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : mod 2dup / * - ; < 1339026564 500412 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 31 2 mod . < 1339026564 978549 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1339026570 499243 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 31 3 mod . < 1339026571 354419 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1339026578 723844 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 7 3 mod . < 1339026579 346484 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1339026585 954034 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 7 4 mod . < 1339026586 558740 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1339026775 187197 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 1+ r@ r@ / + ; < 1339026796 46978 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 0 r@ r@ - ; < 1339026817 226957 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 1 0 1+ ; < 1339026838 612173 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 2 1 1+ ; < 1339026847 873408 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 3 2 1+ ; < 1339026859 527951 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 4 2 2 * ; < 1339026922 103907 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 4 3 * . < 1339026922 655281 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 < 1339026965 279709 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs number when you can define them on the fly? < 1339027013 526653 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+built in