00:00:29 <oerjan> "burning down the house"?
00:01:38 <Phantom_Hoover> Just doesn't have the romance to it.
00:02:48 <itidus20> or Tay Zonday's I'm a hot hot surface baby. I'll get you melting on the carpet like a crispy chicken burger.
00:02:58 <itidus20> (something like that)
00:04:18 <Phantom_Hoover> ...itidus i don't know how chicken works in australia but here it doesn't melt
00:05:52 <Phantom_Hoover> Also this is too metaphorical.
00:06:08 <Phantom_Hoover> I want to really feel like things are combusting.
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00:18:36 <zzo38> What is this about waxing?
00:19:27 <oerjan> well it said waning before
00:19:48 <oerjan> which seemed so negative
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00:45:32 <itidus20> here it is
00:45:55 <itidus20> I'm a hot hot surface baby - Don't be nervous - I can melt you 'till you're dripping - all over the carpet
00:46:22 <itidus20> I'm a hot hot surface baby - At your service - I can hold you 'til you sizzle - like a juicy chicken burger
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01:49:52 <BlueProtoman> I just had a thought.
01:50:11 <oerjan> *gasp*
01:50:30 <oerjan> we cannot tolerate such a thing here.
01:50:35 <BlueProtoman> Do algorithms with O(sin(x))?
01:50:41 <BlueProtoman> Do algorithms with O(sin(x)) complexity exist?
01:52:32 <BlueProtoman> Or, even better, O(tan(n)) complexity.
01:52:41 <oerjan> that would mean it should use < 1 instructions on some input lengths.
01:53:54 <oerjan> you could probably contrive something not very useful
01:54:03 <BlueProtoman> There's still O(sin(n)).
01:54:29 <oerjan> yes, that gets arbitrary close to 0.
01:54:29 <pikhq_> That means it'll sometimes take negative time.
01:54:39 <oerjan> that too :P
01:54:58 <BlueProtoman> O(sin(abs(n))
01:55:04 <BlueProtoman> Now what?
01:55:09 <pikhq_> That... Doesn't change that at all, in fact.
01:55:11 <BlueProtoman> Oh, wait.
01:55:13 <pikhq_> As it's assumed n > 0.
01:55:19 <BlueProtoman> I mean O(abs(sin(n))
01:55:28 <oerjan> that still gets arbitrary close to 0.
01:55:56 <BlueProtoman> O(sin(n) + 2)
01:55:56 <oerjan> if you interpret it as + a constant, then it's the same as O(1).
01:56:27 <oerjan> and so you did
01:56:35 <oerjan> that's = O(1)
01:58:11 <BlueProtoman> Hm...
01:59:23 <shachaf> O(hi pikhq_)
02:00:08 <pikhq_> http://sprunge.us/RThh Remind me again why gzip is more than ~100 lines?
02:03:03 <shachaf> Remind me again why true is more than ~3 lines?
02:03:37 <pikhq_> Because GNU hates all that is good.
02:04:14 <pikhq_> And thinks "int main(){return 0;}" suggests they have a small e-penis.
02:04:29 <shachaf> main(){return 0;}
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02:04:49 <pikhq_> Not valid C99.
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02:21:37 <zzo38> Free Software Foundation tends to make large programs
02:22:34 <pikhq_> Sure, I'm cheating somewhat by using zlib. But, then, gzip
02:22:44 <zzo38> I would probably make some of the programs in assembly language/machine codes, still GPL licensed, and have those programs in C as well if you are loading them onto a computer where the program has not yet been written in assembly language for that computer. Some such program might include true/false
02:22:49 <pikhq_> 's gzip.c (main and a few util functions) is 600 lines.
02:23:00 <pikhq_> That's *just* main and a few util functions used in main.
02:23:22 <zzo38> Does that include comments and blank lines?
02:23:34 <pikhq_> Yeah, I'm just using wc -l
02:23:51 <pikhq_> Sorry, I miscounted.
02:24:03 <pikhq_> wc -l says 1,876 why did I say 600
02:24:30 <pikhq_> GNU gzip's main is an OOM larger than that.
02:32:14 <oerjan> !c printf("%d", (unsigned short)1 > -1);
02:32:19 <EgoBot> 1
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02:50:14 <pikhq> For added perverseness: I'm not even using gzip well, and this is faster than gzip at decompression.
02:50:21 <pikhq> Erm, using zlib well.
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03:09:02 <BlueProtoman> !c printf("Something")
03:09:04 <EgoBot> Something
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04:00:12 <david_werecat> !c FILE* base = fopen("/tmp/newfile","w"); if(base == NULL) { printf("Failed to open file."); return 0; }; fputs("Hello remote filesystem!",base); fflush(base); fclose(base); return 0;
04:00:15 <EgoBot> No output.
04:01:19 <itidus20> !c puts("^echo @echo fungot")
04:01:19 <fungot> itidus20: i've seen others mentioned here, it can be
04:01:21 <EgoBot> ​^echo @echo fungot
04:01:37 <itidus20> !c puts("@echo fungot")
04:01:37 <fungot> itidus20: 1 for 1 cds) and buy strange old prog rock band
04:01:39 <EgoBot> ​@echo fungot
04:01:48 <itidus20> worth a shot
04:03:05 <david_werecat> !c FILE* base; char data[4095]; base = popen("/bin/ls /tmp/","r"); if(base == NULL) { printf("Failed to run command\n"); return 0; }; while(fgets(data, sizeof(data)-1, base) != NULL) { printf("%s", data); }; pclose(base); return 0;
04:03:08 <EgoBot> Failed to run command
04:03:41 <david_werecat> !c system("echo Hello world!");
04:03:43 <EgoBot> No output.
04:06:29 <itidus20> !bfjoust narf -><>[+<[]+<]>+<[<+]><+>[<[>]<]><+[>]+<[>>]>-<>[<->++<>]><-[>+]+
04:06:32 <EgoBot> ​Score for itidus20_narf: 5.3
04:09:15 <itidus20> !bfjoust narf -><>+[+<[]+<]>+<+[<+]><+>+[<[>]<]><+[>]+<+[>>]>-<>+[<->++<>]><-[>+]+
04:09:17 <EgoBot> ​Score for itidus20_narf: 6.6
04:10:08 <ais523> "<>"?
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04:40:11 <itidus20> so i saw someone link the dwarf fortress book in another channel.. the cellophane house era has begun
04:40:52 <itidus20> `pastelog cellophane
04:41:35 <HackEgo> No output.
04:41:41 <itidus20> `pastelog cellophane
04:42:16 <HackEgo> No output.
04:42:45 <itidus20> you win this round HackEgo
04:55:01 <david_werecat> ...I think I just froze EgoBot.  Sorry in advance.
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21:44:20 <Phantom_Hoover> Ok um
21:44:29 <Taneb> Hello
21:44:30 <Phantom_Hoover> I may have missed something in the design of this DR.
21:44:40 <Taneb> Does it have spears?
21:44:40 <Phantom_Hoover> i.e. I used menacing wooden spikes instead of training spears.
21:44:46 <Phantom_Hoover> This... turns out to be the wrong thing to do.
21:44:56 <Taneb> Oh dear
21:45:24 <elliott> :D
21:45:26 <elliott> RIP
21:46:22 <Phantom_Hoover> 3 dorfs dead, 2 of them soldiers.
21:48:29 <Phantom_Hoover> 2 more are hospitalised.
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22:46:25 <Taneb> Goodnight
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23:00:14 <oerjan> it's all the birds' fault http://phys.org/news/2012-06-giant-insects-evolution-birds.html
23:00:18 <Sgeo> Hmm
23:00:24 <Sgeo> I want to see a blind LP of NetHack
23:04:32 <elliott> Sgeo: unspoiled people do not generally win NetHack in less than a few years :P
23:04:42 <elliott> so it would have to be an awfully long-running LP.
23:04:58 <shachaf> elliott: Did you ever win NetHack. :-(
23:05:03 <Sgeo> Has an unspoiled person ever won?
23:05:06 <elliott> shachaf: No.
23:05:11 <elliott> Sgeo: Yes.
23:05:14 <shachaf> It's a boring game.
23:05:17 <elliott> (At least, I'm 99% sure they have.)
23:05:20 <elliott> shachaf: Yes, it is.
23:05:41 <shachaf> "crawl > nethack" -- interhack developer
23:05:49 <shachaf> (Maybe.)
23:06:48 <elliott> Crawl has a boring early-game (OK, an incredibly boring early-game) and a fun mid-to-late-game.
23:07:01 <elliott> ais523 tells me NetHack is more like the opposite of that, so I probably won't play it much more.
23:07:08 <elliott> Except to ascend. I've got to ascend NetHack once before I die. It's a token thing.
23:07:21 <shachaf> elliott: I've never gotten to the Crawl mid-to-late game, so I wouldn't know.
23:07:24 <elliott> (I probably won't play it much more because its early game bores me, that is.)
23:07:27 <elliott> shachaf: How far have you gotten?
23:07:27 <shachaf> I ascended NetHack atheist wishless, though!
23:07:36 <shachaf> elliott: No idea. Not far.
23:07:46 <shachaf> I mostly played it when I was uninterested in thinking or being careful.
23:07:49 <elliott> shachaf: Have you seen the Lair?
23:07:52 <shachaf> Yes.
23:07:58 <elliott> shachaf: Have you gotten to the last level of Lair?
23:07:59 <shachaf> I got killed by a death yak once.
23:08:05 <shachaf> And a hydra a few times.
23:08:07 <shachaf> I don't know.
23:08:13 <shachaf> It was, like, a while ago, man.
23:08:13 <elliott> 00:08 <Sequell> No games for elliott (killer=death yak).
23:08:14 <elliott> :(
23:08:18 <elliott> shachaf: What about the Orcish Mines?
23:08:25 <shachaf> Sure, I've been there.
23:08:31 <shachaf> (Though maybe I shouldn't have gone in so early.)
23:08:41 <elliott> (You should do Lair first.)
23:08:48 <elliott> What about Shoals, Swamp, Snake Pit, Elven Halls? (Slime Pits?)
23:09:02 <shachaf> Swamp -- maybe?
23:09:06 <shachaf> Elven Halls -- probably?
23:09:17 <shachaf> Who knows, man!!!!!
23:09:20 <shachaf> "as they say"
23:09:26 <elliott> You've gone to Elf but haven't gotten a rune?
23:09:37 <shachaf> I think so?
23:09:40 <elliott> Anyway, I define Crawl mid-to-late game as "first rune onwards", more or less.
23:09:50 <elliott> Then after the late game is extended. (I've never done extended. :( )
23:09:54 <shachaf> Well, you should ascend NetHack.
23:10:05 <shachaf> Play Wiz or Val/Sam.
23:10:16 <shachaf> Val/Sam has an easy early game, so you could play that.
23:10:16 <elliott> shachaf: The furthest I've gotten in NetHack is doing Sokoban in the Mines as a Valkyrie dwarf.
23:10:23 <shachaf> ("Val/Sam" is like "C/C++".)
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23:10:37 <elliott> It was very boring, except for the part where I angered the Keystone Kops.
23:11:00 <elliott> #nethack got me out of that situation by having me steal something and then repay the shopkeeper, which calmed the Kops down.
23:11:03 <shachaf> elliott: If you kill the shopkeeper, the Kops never come.
23:11:05 <elliott> Did you know NetHack doesn't make much sense?
23:11:32 <elliott> Anyway, 
23:11:36 <elliott> I don't really like NetHack.
23:11:38 <elliott> s/, $//
23:11:40 <elliott> Erm.
23:11:41 <elliott> s/, $/,/
23:11:50 <shachaf> elliott: You should play it to the end!
23:11:51 <elliott> s/Anyway$/Anyway,/
23:12:02 <shachaf> In the late game in NetHack you become invincible.
23:12:05 <elliott> shachaf: Even ais523 said NetHack probably isn't the game for me.
23:12:08 <shachaf> And you can kill anything by hitting it.
23:12:12 <elliott> And yes, that's boring as hell.
23:12:20 <shachaf> It's not!
23:12:22 <shachaf> Not the first time.
23:12:32 <elliott> I would play NetHack if they made an analogue of Crawl's sprint mode where it's just the Astral Plane.
23:12:36 <elliott> (Or maybe all of the planes.)
23:12:42 <shachaf> The planes are boring.
23:12:47 <shachaf> Well, maybe not the Astral Plane.
23:12:52 <shachaf> The Plane of Water is really boring.
23:12:53 <elliott> The Astral Plane isn't! Or at least it doesn't look boring.
23:12:56 <elliott> I've never played it, naturally.
23:13:03 <shachaf> You gotta ascend NetHack at least once before you die, man!
23:13:07 <elliott> ais523 thinks the Astral Plane is the best level, I think.
23:13:18 <shachaf> The Astral Plane is pretty good.
23:13:24 <shachaf> You would probably use the Astral Call Bug.
23:13:31 <shachaf> CHEATER
23:13:31 <elliott> I would not.
23:13:48 <elliott> It's fixed on the public servers, so I hear, anyway.
23:13:53 <elliott> And offline play isn't cool.
23:14:02 <elliott> shachaf: I bet you play with terminals bigger than 80x24.
23:14:03 <shachaf> Guess what OTHER patch is applied to public servers?
23:14:03 <elliott> Cheater.
23:14:07 <elliott> Yes, yours.
23:14:16 <elliott> Sorry - I mean - not yours.
23:14:20 <elliott> The one you CO-wrote!
23:14:31 <shachaf> Hey, I wrote the actual code in it!
23:14:39 <elliott> Can you prove it?
23:14:51 <shachaf> You can ask the other person whose name is on the patch?
23:14:59 <shachaf> Not that you'd believe him.
23:15:09 <shachaf> elliott: I bet you're cheater_.
23:15:17 <elliott> shachaf: Would *you* trust the guy who made YAML?
23:15:39 <elliott> I am. :(
23:15:46 <elliott> I notice you haven't responded to the hugeterm allegation.
23:15:57 <shachaf> I play on 80x24, thank you very much.
23:16:04 <shachaf> I don't even get the point of hugeterm.
23:16:05 <Sgeo> Hey, I wrote a patch for NetHack
23:16:09 <shachaf> Do you get to see more of the map in Crawl?
23:16:26 <elliott> shachaf: Yes, or a bigger message area.
23:16:32 <shachaf> In NetHack you see the entire map on the screen anyway.
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23:16:36 <shachaf> And there's no message area.
23:16:37 <elliott> shachaf: But you can also just make the message area smaller to see all of the map.
23:16:41 <shachaf> We should let monqy settle this.
23:16:49 <monqy> hi
23:16:49 <lambdabot> monqy: You have 6 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
23:16:54 <monqy> hi
23:16:56 <shachaf> @ask monqy oh no
23:16:56 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
23:17:17 <shachaf> @ask FireFly hi
23:17:19 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
23:18:55 <elliott> shachaf: Settle what?
23:18:55 <lambdabot> elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
23:19:06 <shachaf> elliott: The dispute.
23:19:10 <monqy> what dispuet
23:20:29 <elliott> shachaf: What dispute?
23:20:33 <elliott> Oh.
23:20:34 <elliott> That.
23:20:39 <shachaf> elliott: Do you claim there isn't a dispute?
23:20:44 <shachaf> That sounds like a dispute for monqy to settle.
23:20:44 <elliott> monqy: Who wrote this patch? http://ben-kiki.org/oren/statuscolors/index.html
23:20:50 <shachaf> elliott: Oh, I meant hugeterm.
23:21:18 <elliott> What dispute?
23:21:21 <elliott> We both agreed it's stupid.
23:21:28 <shachaf> Oh.
23:21:34 <shachaf> monqy: Is hugeterm stupid?
23:21:48 <shachaf> monqy: Also, should elliott ascend at NetHack at least once before he dies.
23:21:52 <shachaf> :'(
23:21:56 <shachaf> "as they say"
23:22:51 <monqy> hugeterm is stupid
23:23:00 <monqy> I don't care whether elliott ascends nh or not
23:23:18 <shachaf> Should I ascend Crawl?
23:23:26 <elliott> Yes.
23:23:38 <elliott> (In Crawl, the "ascending" is walking up a bunch of stairs!)
23:23:47 <elliott> shachaf: Did you know the way to win Crawl is to run away form things?
23:23:48 <elliott> from
23:24:08 <shachaf> elliott: In NetHack, "ascending" is walking up a bunch of stairs!
23:24:13 <shachaf> Except for the mysterious force.
23:24:19 <shachaf> Do you even know what that is? :-(
23:24:29 <elliott> I know of it! I forget what it is.
23:24:35 <elliott> (Anyway, no, it isn't.)
23:24:38 <shachaf> It's mysterious.
23:24:38 <elliott> (You ascend to demigodhood.)
23:24:40 <elliott> (Not the same thing.)
23:24:54 <shachaf> (You ascend up the figurative demigodhood stairs.)
23:25:15 <elliott> shachaf: Did you know that Debian applies a patch to NetHack that changes the gameplay?
23:25:21 <elliott> That upsets me.
23:25:24 <shachaf> Sounds reasonable.
23:25:26 <shachaf> Which one?
23:25:29 <elliott> The 95_enh_engulf_prayers.dpatch patch makes being engulfed a major trouble, so that a successful prayer while engulfed will get you expelled and cause the engulfing monster to flee.
23:25:44 <shachaf> elliott: Do you know what the WORST PART OF NETHACK is?
23:25:49 <quintopia> !bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[.-](>[(+)*3([-{(-)*15[+]}])%6])*21}])%30}])%6](+)*2)*21
23:25:49 <lambdabot> quintopia: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
23:25:50 <elliott> All of it?
23:25:55 <EgoBot> ​Score for quintopia_3pac: 30.5
23:25:56 <shachaf> Hint: It's the "wraps itself around you" thing.
23:26:03 <elliott> To quote squarelos, "nethack is weird".
23:26:13 <shachaf> s/wraps/swings/
23:26:29 <shachaf> "The giant eel swings itself around you!" <-- worst part of NetHack
23:26:34 <elliott> What's that?
23:26:47 <shachaf> Instadeath in one turn.
23:26:53 <elliott> That's dumb.
23:26:55 <shachaf> Unless you do one of a few weird things.
23:27:07 <shachaf> Like levitate (if you're not levitating) or unlevitate (if you're levitating).
23:27:07 <elliott> I do not like instadeath effects.
23:27:15 <shachaf> But taking off boots of levitation takes more than one turn!
23:27:26 <elliott> (Not even starvation.)
23:27:32 <shachaf> You can also teleport the eel away. Or yourself, unless you're on a no-teleport level!
23:27:36 <elliott> (You should just lose HP and MHP a bunch until it's 0 or something.)
23:27:46 <shachaf> Magic Hit Points?
23:27:50 <elliott> Max HP.
23:27:51 <shachaf> Hip Points?
23:28:11 <shachaf> Slowly the things you like become more and more mainstream?
23:28:50 <monqy> yes
23:28:57 <shachaf> "reddit humour" ":'("
23:29:19 <elliott> Did you know there was a time when people on reddit didn't complain about hipsters?
23:29:28 <shachaf> Yes, five years ago.
23:29:37 <elliott> (It wasn't the good old days, though. It was bad in another ways instead)
23:29:47 <shachaf> It wasn't that bad five years ago!
23:30:00 <elliott> It wasn't *that* bad. But it was still pretty bad.
23:30:05 <elliott> But less bad.
23:31:13 <monqy> did you know: iv'e never reddit
23:31:21 <monqy> monqy facts, brought to you by monqy
23:31:32 <elliott> monqy: Continue this state.
23:31:48 <elliott> Wow, what a pretentous wording.
23:31:50 <elliott> pretentious.
23:31:55 <elliott> monqy: Can you punch me for saying that?
23:31:59 <shachaf> pretentuous.
23:32:02 <monqy> consider yourself puncht
23:32:17 <shachaf> elliott: do you hate people who say words like
23:32:21 <shachaf> "punch'd"
23:32:22 <shachaf> :'(
23:32:42 <elliott> "puncht" is not "punch'd".
23:32:47 <shachaf> I know.
23:32:59 <shachaf> I'm not talking about "puncht".
23:33:13 <shachaf> I'm TALKING ABOUT THE APOSTROPHE.
23:33:25 <shachaf> hi FireFly
23:33:41 <shachaf> FireFl'y
23:34:44 <quintopia> !bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[.-](>[(+)*3([-{(-)*15[.+](>[(-)*3([+{(+)*15[-]}])%6])*21}])%6])*21}])%30}])%6](+)*2)*21
23:34:47 <EgoBot> ​Score for quintopia_3pac: 30.1
23:34:53 <quintopia> hmm
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23:44:22 <shachaf> elliott: You know jkff from #haskell?
23:44:49 <elliott> No.
23:44:53 <shachaf> Oh.
23:44:53 <elliott> Are they new or something?
23:45:01 <shachaf> I don't think so?
23:45:11 <shachaf> jkff is Eugene Kirpichov (as I just discovered).
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23:51:35 <elliott> Who?
23:52:10 <elliott> Oh, the htrace person. OK. So?
23:54:47 <shachaf> So nothing.
23:54:49 <shachaf> What's htrace?
23:55:06 <shachaf> Oh, looks fancy.
23:57:20 <quintopia> !bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[-]}])%30}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*15[+]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21
23:57:23 <EgoBot> ​Score for quintopia_3pac: 35.5
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23:59:06 <quintopia> !bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<(-)*20>(+)*20>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[-]}])%30}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*15[+]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21
23:59:09 <EgoBot> ​Score for quintopia_3pac: 37.2