00:00:00 shachaf no, it's not even UTF-16 00:00:09 It's not Unicode standard conformant 00:00:23 It's loosely based on UTF-16 but also Windows homebrew stuff I was told? 00:00:53 it's probably based on UCS-2 actually 00:01:19 anyway no surprise that Microsoft embraced and extended unicode 00:01:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCS-2#Use_in_major_operating_systems_and_environments hm 00:02:40 what's the point of 16 bit unicode 00:03:43 well the BMP includes most of the characters people actually care about 00:04:07 characterspeoplecareabout.bmp 00:04:22 Very much like ASCII includes most of the characters people actually carea bout. 00:04:24 *care about 00:04:28 racist 00:05:43 Gregor but it doesn't 00:06:04 That only works for some 20% of the internet content? 00:07:17 if you are ok with only BMP characters, then a 16-bit encoding is simple and supports many operations efficiently 00:07:46 so that's "the point of 16-bit Unicode" 00:08:06 the other point is that Unicode had only 16 bits of characters until about 1999 00:08:41 so it especially makes sense that the Windows NT API uses 16-bit characters 00:10:21 Kind of unfair of Unicode, really. 00:10:59 They should've used Unicode Big Endian from the start, obviously! 00:11:51 it's a tradition of #esoteric that if you say something dumb, we will mock you for it for months 00:12:08 hey shachaf, are you still angry at that one person who I forgot the nick of who liked PHP 00:12:11 because i am 00:12:12 so angry 00:12:14 Who? 00:12:27 (I don't think I got angry about that at the time.) 00:12:34 i don't remember 00:12:50 kmc: Anyway, this is an intellectual sort of channel where we mock ideas, not people! 00:12:56 This makes us better than other channels. 00:12:56 right 00:13:05 I mean it makes our ideas better than other channels' ideas. 00:13:54 The Win32 interface for getting the command line apparently gives you one long string that you have to parse yourself. 00:14:05 yeah 00:14:05 16 bit unicode has byte order mark 00:14:08 yuck 00:14:20 whereas the POSIX interface gives you several long strings that you have to parse yourself 00:14:23 Where are these slow-paced FPSes that Warsow contrasts itself with? 00:14:25 I want to try one 00:14:57 play counterstrike, hide in the toilets 00:15:00 Sgeo BF/CoD/MW series 00:15:03 nice slow pace 00:15:05 Presumably 00:15:41 http://tremulous.net/media/files/microtrem.jpg 00:15:47 qfr, meh 00:15:50 Never tried those 00:15:53 Any of them free? 00:15:57 Nope 00:18:21 I guess Allegiance might be described as slow 00:18:27 Hardly popular, though 00:21:03 -!- pikhq has joined. 00:21:17 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:46:27 -!- augur has joined. 01:09:45 -!- augur_ has joined. 01:19:17 -!- augur has quit (*.net *.split). 01:19:18 -!- atehwa has quit (*.net *.split). 01:20:18 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:20:49 -!- derdon has joined. 01:21:29 -!- atehwa has joined. 01:25:09 -!- derdon has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 01:25:16 -!- atehwa has quit (*.net *.split). 01:25:44 Microsoft seems to be working very hard to make Windows 8 suck. 01:26:59 Among other things, Microsoft is no longer providing a free Win32-targetting compiler. 01:27:46 Thereby hurting the single greatest asset they have: Win32 is used by nearly everything. 01:29:05 -!- oklofok has quit (Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )). 01:30:29 -!- atehwa has joined. 01:36:31 So, what my code is doing is this. 01:36:46 Read a byte from file A. Read a byte from file B. Read a byte from file C. Write a byte to file D. Repeat six and a half billion times. 01:37:36 Is that going to be as slow as it sounds like it's going to be, or is the operating system going to make it all okay? 01:39:25 if you're actually making a system call for every byte, it will be extremely slow 01:39:39 Well, it's Python. 01:39:42 if you're using the standard IO libraries of some language, they will buffer for you 01:40:20 Okay. That's good. 01:40:39 I guess that doesn't change the fact that this is only going at, like, a gigabyte an hour or something. 01:40:42 you can use strace or similar tool to confirm 01:41:04 i'm confused why you're asking if it will be slow, when you already know how fast it is :) 01:41:33 -!- calamari has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:49:22 I can explain. 01:50:01 You see, it all started back in the year 428, when King Gunderic of the Vandals and Alans died and was succeeded by his half-brother Genseric. 01:52:07 ah, yes, that makes it quite clear 01:52:12 indeed 01:59:02 kmc: I assume tswett wants to know if it's slow relative to what it could be. 02:02:13 -!- BlueProtoman has joined. 02:03:15 I've got a question for those familiar with Brainfuck. I'm writing a BF interpreter in C++11. How can I easily jump from a '[' to a ']' if the value at the pointer is 0? 02:03:47 Sorry, you need to be using C++12 for that. 02:04:08 Damn, gcc hasn't implemented that yet. D: 02:07:49 -!- monqy has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 02:08:19 Any tips? Anyone? 02:09:04 loop through the characters in the program 02:09:21 keep a counter, increment it when you see '[', decrement when you see ']' 02:09:36 Typically people maintain a table of all the matches, so when you actually run it, you just have to look it up in the table. 02:11:14 Alternately, you can compile those into conditional jumps, and then interpret the resulting bytecode. 02:11:31 kmc: I already know how to handle whether or not we have the right balance of []'s. 02:11:38 pikhq: Beyond my skill right now. 02:11:40 -!- monqy has joined. 02:11:45 Gregor: How might I go about that, then? 02:12:02 BlueProtoman: Ah, right, doing it in C++. Making parsing a bloody *pain*. 02:12:13 BlueProtoman: that algorithm isn't just good for detecting whether brackets are balanced 02:12:17 you can use it to find the matching bracket 02:12:19 just like i said 02:12:33 caching those results in a table is a fine optimization, but not necessary 02:13:06 True, it's perfectly workable, if slow, to just do that grepping each time you execute a [ or ]. 02:13:23 So how can I go with the table, then? 02:14:58 scan the program left to right 02:15:04 when you see a '[', push its index onto a stack 02:15:11 when you see ']', pop the stack 02:15:40 you now have the indices of both brackets; enter those into your table(s) 02:16:03 I'd probably use a vector in such a case. 02:16:18 and not a std::stack ? 02:16:24 For the table? 02:16:29 no, for the stack :) 02:16:51 vector is a fine choice for the table 02:17:42 or you can have each instruction of the BF program be a struct / object in its own right 02:17:52 and make the linking of brackets be a field in that object 02:19:15 Actually, each instruction is a lambda function stored in an unordered map. 02:19:40 Calling it is as easy as just instructions[program[i]], handling exceptions as necessary. 02:20:00 I wanna add a lot of derivatives to my interpreter, this'll make it really easy to do 02:22:12 Hey, wait. 02:22:30 Why couldn't I use a std::vector as the brace stack AND the brace table? It supports push and pop operations. 02:22:51 you mean two vectors? or the same one for both, somehow? 02:23:19 Oh, wait, I see. When I finish up, it should be empty. 02:23:30 Never mind. I'd have to add things to the vector along the way. 02:23:38 yes, otherwise the braces are unmatched 02:23:49 what's wrong with that? 02:24:12 depending on your reading of the brainfuck rules, it is allowed 02:25:28 -!- david_werecat has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 02:25:30 you could say that ] is a valid brainfuck program, because it's a conditional jump (to nowhere) which is not taken 02:25:47 similarly +[ 02:26:02 i don't know if there is an authoritative source on this 02:28:59 BlueProtoman: sure, you can use a std::vector as a stack, it will work fine 02:29:37 kmc: I know *that*. I don't think we're all on the same page here, but thanks. 02:30:11 there are a few reasons to use the container which supports only the operations you need 02:31:09 i guess i won't list them 02:42:53 http://sprunge.us/UfLP If anyone wants to tell me how I'm being stupid, please do so. 02:44:26 reming me what static functions do in plain C 02:44:29 remind 02:44:51 Aren't exported outside of the compilation unit. 02:46:22 ah ok 02:49:51 -!- atehwa has quit (*.net *.split). 02:51:11 Oh, and if you don't want to be psychic, I'm *trying* to create a Huffman table. 02:51:36 And it ends up creating one, except it omits entirely a lot of characters. 02:53:41 -!- BlueProtoman has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:55:09 -!- atehwa has joined. 03:23:55 -!- SchrodingersCat has quit (Quit: Coyote finally caught me). 03:45:31 -!- kwertii has quit (Quit: kwertii). 04:15:34 -!- asiekierka has joined. 04:38:53 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 05:06:41 -!- asiekierka has quit (Quit: Wychodzi). 05:21:15 Correct answer is "use a less obtuse algorithm". 05:22:14 -!- quintopia has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 05:26:18 -!- quintopia has joined. 05:29:12 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 05:29:42 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 05:39:12 -!- madbr has quit (Quit: Radiateur). 05:43:26 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 05:46:01 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:05:04 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 08:43:40 -!- elliott has joined. 08:54:07 19:11 Guest28135 has joined (~T@112.215.44.136) 08:54:07 elliott: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. 08:54:07 19:11 Deewiant has left IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 08:54:07 19:12 Try to check the site of cottages in BALI: www.bebaucottage.comli.com 08:54:08 19:12 Guest28135 has left () 08:54:10 i just noticed this 08:55:57 18:41:24: That being said, http://codu.org/hats/Cowpoke-med.jpg. 08:56:11 Gregor: you look so serious and world-weary 08:56:34 please sing depressing songs about failure while wearing that hat 08:56:53 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: http://programminggames.org). 08:56:58 19:50:39: I, uh... The... I mean, this... there's this Eurovision contest thing, and this one entry is... it's about "social networks". 08:57:03 fizzie: NO did I miss Eurovision??? 08:57:46 Is Brogue good? 08:57:51 Sgeo: Yes. 08:57:58 Also: re: on the subject of: songs about social networks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbYqDFvM0wE 08:58:02 I know it's been talked about in here, and I just saw it mentioned in a Reddit thread 08:58:44 I wonder if ais523 is still addicted to it. 08:58:54 There's no Brogue servers? 08:59:19 Didn't you ask that days ago? 08:59:27 It would look pretty ugly in a terminal, anyway. 08:59:35 It saves a recording file. 08:59:53 Ugh Wikia 09:00:06 You don't need the wiki. 09:00:15 The game spoils everything you need to know from inside. 09:00:16 I like spoilers 09:00:18 The game spoils everything you need to know from inside. 09:00:19 Oh, hmm 09:00:33 e.g. look at an enemy and you get information on how, and how fast, it can kill you. 09:00:35 (And vice versa.) 09:00:54 No spoilers required is a design goal, I think. 09:02:28 Hey, it has autoexplore 09:02:30 19:51:58: i don't watch tv, but i read somewhere that the uk's singer is supposedly engelbert humperdinck 09:02:37 It's spelled "Benedict Cumberbatch". 09:02:44 Sgeo: The autoexplore is not really useful. 09:02:50 (It even has an auto-play, technically.) 09:03:06 The levels are small and filled with stuff, so mostly shift+direction is what's useful. 09:03:08 Blah I need to resize the window 09:03:19 elliott: Just the first semifinal of it. 09:03:41 19:53:19: euro neuro 09:03:44 That one was great. 09:03:56 fizzie: Is it onlinebroadcasterated? 09:04:12 How do I resize the window? 09:04:24 Sgeo: + - 09:04:30 Our national BBC-alike (YLE) onlinecasts it, but possibly only within Finland. But I suppose quite a few other TV companies do too? 09:04:31 It depends on the OS, technically. 09:04:35 fizzie: Link? 09:05:33 Oh, http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01j741p/Eurovision_Song_Contest_2012_SemiFinal_One. 09:05:49 Yes, it's in your "iPlayer" too. 09:05:49 elliott, ty 09:05:57 I was just checking for that. 09:06:05 Sgeo: np kthx bai kde 09:06:07 Ours is yle.fi/areena but it speaks Finnish only, I think. 09:06:15 elliott, kde? 09:06:19 'Eurovision Song Contest: 2012: Semi-Final One' may be unsuitable for young audiences. 09:06:19 Yes, I am aged 16 or older 09:06:22 Uh... 09:06:26 Sgeo: K Desktop Environment 09:06:44 Yes, but what is its relevence to everything else>? 09:06:47 fizzie: So does Finland not get it live? 09:06:50 Sgeo: None whatsoever. 09:07:08 fizzie: (Also I think Finnish narration is probably funnier.) 09:07:12 Presentation. Whatever. 09:07:31 Aww, yours errors for me. 09:07:34 It is sent live, too; it's some other part of YLE Areena where live broadcasts go, but anyway. 09:07:47 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:07:48 The recording -- http://areena.yle.fi/tv/1525991 -- is "watchable only in Finland", according to the description. 09:08:01 "and the Hump himself will be here". 09:08:04 Thanks, BBC. ThBBC. 09:08:26 EBU.UER 09:08:52 LIGHT YOUR FIRE! 09:08:53 Correspondingly, yours doesn't work for me. "Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only." 09:09:06 I always forget that the problem with Eurovision is that you have to watch two hours of it. 09:09:14 GOOD EVENING EUROOOOOOOPE 09:09:30 It's more like six hours for both semifinals and the final. 09:09:49 fizzie: Yes, but those are in separate bits. 09:10:12 "It will reveal its secrets to you if you wear it for 1000 turns" 09:10:13 Huh? 09:10:42 Sgeo: i.e. it identifies itself. 09:11:04 Sgeo: ("Secrets" here means "the enchantment".) 09:11:10 (Note that they can be negative.) 09:11:15 (Which is bad.) 09:11:16 I guess that message could be a little clearer. 09:11:36 Huh, so paralysis actually has a timer thing go across the screen 09:11:36 ' 09:11:50 Yeah, pretty much any effect has a meter bar. 09:12:10 BTW, the easiest way to look at dungeon features/monsters is to hover over them. And also the click-to-autotravel thing is really useful. 09:12:42 20:28:27: Oh hay, Finland had the longest string of "been participating but never won" (1961-2003), but we screwed that up with our 2004 win; now it's Portugal (1964-present). 09:12:44 fizzie: Hay you! 09:13:40 AND LET THE EUROVISION SONG CONTEST BEGIIIIN and then one of them goes on a bit too long "IIIIN". 09:13:48 AZERBAIJAN 09:13:49 Is Easy Mode a bad idea? 09:13:50 LAND OF ABUNDANCE 09:14:28 Sgeo: I haven't played it. But I expect you'll get bored. 09:14:37 The first floors aren't really hard anyway. 09:15:10 Yay, Euro Neuro is first. 09:18:29 21:18:25: all the good musicians are from the UK 09:18:31 lol —the UK 09:19:43 EURO NEURO MONETARY BREAK DANCE 09:20:50 "That was Montenegro, they've never reached the final in three attempts here on Eurovision." 09:20:51 I wonder why. 09:20:57 "I can't see why." I can. 09:21:10 Oh wait, I think the presenter was being sarc— 09:21:12 AZERBAIJAN 09:21:13 LAND OF POETRY 09:21:20 —satic. 09:21:23 *astic. 09:21:44 I only heard a few seconds of euro neuro, but the way he says the "euro neuro" bit sounds somehow Finnish. 09:22:09 fizzie: You need to hear the whole thing. 09:22:12 It's a religious experience. 09:22:40 Wow Iceland this isn't very good. 09:22:43 Why is QuakeNet so popular? 09:23:06 Iceland qualified for the finals. 09:23:06 earthquakes 09:23:14 Oh sorry SPOILERS. 09:23:21 This is just bland. 09:23:29 YES VIOLIN HOW ARTY 09:24:12 Greece had a song that was exactly like the songs they always have. 09:24:26 I forget. 09:25:43 It's really annoying how the vocals are always mixed to be about 2x louder than the music in Eurovision. It makes everything sound even worse. 09:25:49 I guess that might be an upside. 09:25:53 Oh, it's Greece time. 09:26:13 fizzie: Did they KWALIFY? 09:26:19 Or did their 100% RATE get RUINED? 09:27:56 I think they did. 09:28:49 The Finnish subtitles for the song lyrics are occasionally hilarious, though I don't recall really spectacular examples offhand. 09:29:53 Do we get subtitles? I forget. 09:29:57 It's been so long. 09:31:22 According to Finnish announcers, only Finland and Estonia provide subtitles for the songs. 09:31:28 ! 09:31:30 I feel cheated. 09:31:51 They're all singing your language anyway. Well, not quite all. But most. 09:34:14 Why would she want their aphrodisiac if she's already like this? 09:34:16 Come on, this is so unrealistic. 09:34:20 Greece! You've failed me! 09:35:29 Latvia what. 09:35:48 Oh, the Beautiful Song. 09:35:53 It was discussed. 09:36:06 Sadly, they didn't qualify. 09:36:12 *sigh* what game am I downloading now 09:36:13 Cube 2 09:36:19 23:58:12: kmc: UPDATE: Windows people still use "Unicode" to mean "UTF-16". 09:36:23 shachaf: Is that Big or Little Endian? 09:36:29 fizzie: Oh, it's that thing? 09:36:34 fizzie: This will be good. 09:36:47 Sgeo: Hope you enjoyed your 3 minutes of Brogue. 09:37:06 elliott: I think that joke was already made. 09:37:11 And discussed. 09:37:19 Playing a roguelike with a GUI is weird 09:37:23 shachaf: Well, those were the last lines in the log. 09:37:37 Sgeo: It's not really a "GUI". 09:37:40 Sgeo: MORE LIKE A ROGUEUNLIKE, AM I RIGHT? 09:37:54 More like a ROGUILIKE. 09:38:09 DF needs an interface like that though 09:38:10 ROGUILIQUE 09:38:11 00:12:08: hey shachaf, are you still angry at that one person who I forgot the nick of who liked PHP 09:38:19 kmc: I'm only angry because he hecked my aim. 09:39:37 Oh, that person. 09:39:43 so angry :'( 09:39:43 02:16:24: For the table? 09:39:44 02:16:29: no, for the stack :) 09:39:46 02:16:51: vector is a fine choice for the table 09:39:48 You, er, don't need two. 09:39:59 Oh, wait, you do. 09:40:05 Actually, no, you don't. 09:40:06 Help 09:40:28 Quick, someone draw a caricature of elliott as a donkey between two haystacks! 09:40:31 02:25:30: you could say that ] is a valid brainfuck program, because it's a conditional jump (to nowhere) which is not taken 09:40:31 02:25:47: similarly +[ 09:40:31 02:26:02: i don't know if there is an authoritative source on this 09:40:36 kmc: strong consensus is that it is not valid 09:40:42 I don't know what the original implementation does 09:40:43 Do donkeys eat hay? 09:41:29 [ Starts loop, flag under pointer 09:41:29 ] Indicates end of loop 09:41:34 from the original command reference 09:41:52 What if there's a needle in their haystack? 09:41:57 Would they find it? 09:42:35 Would they use a Brayer-Moore algorithm? 09:42:47 I wish I was a donkey. :-( 09:43:17 Did you know that the most fun thing is applying a huge patch by hand? 09:43:59 elliott: I used an exciting WINDOWS DEBUGGER today! 09:50:53 -!- pikhq has joined. 09:51:01 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 09:53:06 Are we to assume that now Windows no longer has bugs? 09:55:45 I guess so. 09:56:18 Don't worry, you can still make fun of PHP. 09:59:07 -!- derdon has joined. 10:01:14 Oops, I forgot to unpause Eurovision. 10:02:03 "Beautiful song that everybody knows, that everybody loves" 10:02:04 Quite. 10:03:37 fizzie: Perhaps they're talking about some other hypothetical song? 10:03:41 I'm starting to have the impression that all these FPSes are the exact same damn game 10:04:23 fizzie: Is Albania's good? 10:04:34 "If you've got any pets, you might want to put them in another room." 10:04:35 Sounds it. 10:04:53 SUUS 10:05:23 Her hair is... interesting. 10:07:22 Well, this is the best one so far on the sole basis of not sounding predictable. 10:08:26 fizzie: Why can't UK viewers vote??? 10:08:35 I should just play whatever game all these games are based on 10:08:43 Quake 3 Arena I think? Is that free/ 10:08:44 "UK VIEWERS DO NOT VOTE IN THIS SEMI FINAL: Your vote won't count and you may be charged." 10:10:12 "The waterline could be anything you want it to be." 10:10:23 "I actually... grab... ass." 10:10:55 fizzie: "I can't do it. I can't do it at all." "Why are you here then?" "...it is mystery!" --Euro Neuro guy. 10:11:14 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:11:57 erm 10:12:20 fizzie: ban evasion ^ 10:12:24 * Sgeo wonders if anyone plays openArena 10:13:13 27 players on right now 10:13:55 elliott: HINT: Every disc covers at least one rational point, so you can't have more discs on a plane than rationals. 10:14:38 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:15:02 -!- sebbu has joined. 10:15:04 shachaf: oklopol already spoiled the answer, anyway. 10:15:23 thoklopol 10:23:43 why is elliott eurovision 10:23:52 why isn't everyone eurovision 10:24:41 -!- cheater has joined. 10:24:51 Isn't that the Molvania thing? 11:03:12 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:04:24 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 11:08:31 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 11:21:14 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 11:49:06 -!- PatashuXantheres has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:50:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:50:59 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:52:31 welcome back Phantom_Hoover we missed you 11:52:38 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:52:47 rip 11:54:14 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:55:59 welcome back Phantom_Hoover we missed you 11:59:17 How many times has Phantom_Hoover died? 11:59:37 10 11:59:37 Hmm, he should really be Phantom^n_Hoover 11:59:52 Make that 11. 12:00:05 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:01:19 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:35:46 shachaf: Your country's music is weird. 12:36:58 elliott: Your country's music is weird. 12:48:03 * Sgeo has decided to refer to everyone in the third person 12:48:32 * Sgeo has no real reason for doing so other than the awkwardness of above lines where he referred to Phantom_Hoover in the third person. 12:48:54 * Sgeo should sleep 12:51:15 Sgeo 12:51:31 the third person is the normal way to refer to other people if you're not directly addressing them 12:52:09 * Sgeo thinks it was awkward that he was not directly addressing Phantom_Hoover though, although Phantom_Hoover was right there. 13:00:00 -!- ogrom has joined. 13:09:38 `welcome ogrom 13:09:47 ogrom: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 13:10:25 -!- ogrom has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 13:11:58 Gregor: Yooooooo fix this bug for me 13:19:45 The one where people think this is an esoterica channel? 13:21:07 Mouse battery dead 13:22:02 No, the other bug. 13:23:29 Found some batteries 13:23:44 Sgeo: You should fix the bug for me. 13:23:51 What bug? 13:24:24 Spellcast aiming in tiles is a bit weird. 13:24:44 Gregor: 13:24:45 if (is_exclude_root(gc)) 13:24:45 mf = MF_EXCL_ROOT; 13:24:46 else if (is_excluded(gc)) 13:24:48 mf = MF_EXCL; 13:24:48 Well, I don't know what game this is, and I don't know what "weird" is 13:24:54 Gregor: See, it's practically garbage collection code. 13:24:56 Sgeo: Crawl. 13:25:10 Oh 13:25:13 And "weird" is "it omits most of two rows of the target except one square is included in the second-last row". 13:27:02 Hmm, I guess I'll check beam.cc again... 13:27:28 And dungeon.cc (maybe), glwrapper.cc (doubtful), item_use.cc, spl-cast.cc, spl-util.cc. 13:27:38 Also tilereg-spl.cc. 13:27:44 And tilereg.cc. 13:27:48 And viewgom.cc, viewmap.cc. 13:29:18 Probably not dungeon.cc. 13:30:27 Note to self: Perhaps suggest showing success percentage rather than failure percentage. 13:30:38 Also check out why it says 0 for <= 2. 13:30:43 (in spl-cast.cc, failure_rate_to_string) 13:31:31 Other things to check: the Fire Storm-specific code. 13:44:44 Checked spl-cast.cc, on to spl-util.cc. 13:45:57 if (flags & SPFLAG_TARGETING_MASK) 13:45:59 Aha, grep for this too. 13:47:53 // FUNCTION APPLICATORS: Idea from Juho Snellman 13:47:53 // on the Roguelike News pages, Development section. 13:47:53 // 13:47:54 Ah, yes, the arcane magicks of functions that TAKE OTHER FUNCTIONS AS PARAMETERS AND APPLY THEM. 13:48:07 // Applies the effect to all nine squares around/including the target. 13:48:07 // Returns summation of return values from passed in function. 13:48:07 // Applies the effect to the eight squares beside the target. 13:48:08 // Returns summation of return values from passed in function. 13:48:10