00:13:36 gimcrack (n). Definition: gewgaw 00:13:38 Gee, thanks. 00:14:03 gewgaw (n). Definition: gimcrack 00:14:25 Yeah, I'll bet 00:25:59 Oh god I can still smell make it stop 00:26:04 -!- david_werecat has joined. 00:29:26 Gregor: Try milk. 00:32:52 elliott: I haven't got any. 00:39:26 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:40:32 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:51:51 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:52:05 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 01:07:20 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:07:23 -!- DH____ has joined. 01:16:19 -!- PatashuXantheres has changed nick to Patashu. 01:30:47 Gregor: what's this about doodads? 01:31:11 quintopia: I was just curious about curios. 01:32:16 Joanie loves tchotchkes 01:45:10 In Dungeons&Dragons game, I have used a few methods to determine my location when it was unknown (as well as confirm that we have not been time-warped); some by magic, and some by astronomy. 01:46:28 Now I have a plan except determining what to tell to the chancellor 01:52:38 Here is one idea of D&D spell: Level: Clr 0, Drd 0, Sor/Wiz 0 Casting time: Immediate Range: 10 ft Duration: 1 round/level or until discharged (D) Target: One creature Save: Will negates Resist: Yes Components: V, S, XP 01:53:56 If the target of this spell is targeted by a 9th or higher level spell in the duration of this spell, this spell becomes discharged, the other spell is canceled, and target takes 1 point of damage and so does the caster of other spell. This spell fails if target has used magic in past 5 rounds, and is canceled if target uses magic during this spell's duration. XP cost: 1 XP. 02:17:18 I have a list of strategies for mahjong which consists of jokes as well as things that aren't related to mahjong. Including: "Always remember what your tiles look like, in case of sudden blindness." and "Do not discard tiles nobody has discarded, or that anybody has discarded early, mid, or late game. If possible you can consider not discarding at all. But it's a double-edged sword. I can't recommend this to amateurs." 02:24:01 "Never choose scissors, unless the other guy chooses paper." Does this mean that Urbanus Defense and stalemates are not effective if you choose scissors? 02:26:14 -!- david_werecat has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:29:20 -!- DH____ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:36:38 zzo38: Have you ever played Double Fanucci? 02:37:08 shachaf: No, I have never done so. 02:37:15 Pity. 02:37:41 "Three undertrumps after an opponent's discard of a Trebled Fromp is an indefensible gambit, and is the only known way to win at Double Fanucci." 02:38:02 shachaf: I know that already. 02:38:15 zzo38: Did you ever play _Zork Zero_? 02:38:21 No 02:38:27 You should! 02:38:37 One of the legal moves in Double Fanucci is "Cheat", I believe. 02:38:44 I do not have a copy of this game 02:39:07 However I would like to have a Fanucci deck, as well as a tarot deck 02:39:55 zzo38: You should acquire a copy of Zork Zero and play it! 02:40:40 Would it run in Frotz? 02:43:07 I think so? 02:43:13 I believe I ran it in WinFrotz. 02:43:26 It was a .zip file. 02:43:29 Z-code Version 6? 03:20:23 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 04:14:09 -!- kwertii has quit (Quit: kwertii). 04:21:54 -!- asiekierka has joined. 04:25:23 "dvilj < paper.dvi | lp" doesn't work; you need to specify "dvilj - < paper.dvi | lp" to get your document to print. Why did they make it like that? 04:27:50 Do you have any tarot deck, Fanucci deck, flower card (hanafuda) deck, etc? 04:28:25 I own a Japanese flower card deck made by Nintendo. 04:55:55 elliott, monqy UPDATE 04:56:09 monqy 04:56:11 only gets worse over time 04:56:53 hi 04:57:58 -!- SchrodingersCat has quit (Quit: Coyote finally caught me). 04:58:20 hi 04:59:17 -!- SchrodingersCat has joined. 05:19:15 -!- nortti_ has joined. 05:20:58 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ORiOYOH3NI4 hey, graphic quality that I'm used to! 05:53:47 -!- madbr has quit (Quit: Radiateur). 05:59:19 Which feature should I implement next for Internet Quiz Engine? * Timer/time limits * Synchronet module * Printout * Text entry questions * Other (please specify) 06:00:39 zzo38: * Other (please specify) 06:01:00 shachaf: OK. Please specify. 06:01:21 zzo38: Oh, I thought that option was me asking *you* to specify. 06:01:32 In that case I want * Synchronet module 06:02:26 OK. I think it is possible to write Synchronet modules in Javascript, although C and so on can also be used 06:03:03 I don't know what a * Synchronet module is. 06:03:07 But it sounds fancy. 06:04:27 I mean a door program for Synchronet BBS 06:10:55 Please learn what it is before answering! 06:14:57 * Other (Skynet) 06:25:21 What is this Skynet? 06:31:31 Synchronet includes a telnet server, rlogin server, FTP server, HTTP server, gopher server, SMTP server, POP3 server, NNTP server, and IRC server; external door programs can be native programs, Javascript programs, and DOS programs (regardless of what operating system Synchronet is running on); connects to DOVE-Net and FidoNet; and even some more things..... 06:32:52 zzo38: Why do you like Gopher so much? 06:32:55 No one uses it. 06:33:01 Even Firefox doesn't support it anymore. 06:34:23 Some people use it. And, there are extensions for Firefox to support it (which works better than what Firefox used to have, too) 06:45:16 -!- nortti_ has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725]). 06:46:03 Skynet is a reference to a fictional computer (network?). It was evil, or something 06:46:18 I should actually watch or something 06:48:29 thanks 06:53:27 zzo38: why do you use a protocol that requires extra effort to be able to use, and is used by such a very small minority of people in the world? 06:58:47 It doesn't require extra effort. 07:00:42 -!- ais523 has joined. 07:02:19 hi ais523 07:03:01 hi 07:03:15 hi ais523 07:04:02 hi shachaf 07:07:20 zzo38: it requires you to install a plugin 07:11:38 I once pondered the possibility of storing static webpages as about: URLs, distributed via .reg files that would install a shorter about: URL as a pointer to the larger about: URL 07:11:54 (I was a kid) 07:12:36 good ponder 07:13:23 I was scared of web hosting. 07:13:36 It seemed to cost money. Clearly, distributing .reg files would be free, or something 07:30:21 -!- calamari has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:43:08 http://www.spacex.com/webcast/ neat 07:44:15 you're all going to miss it !!! 07:44:49 im watch 07:45:23 monqy: did you miss the lift-off!!! 07:45:28 no i saw it 07:45:31 good 07:45:31 the countdown too 07:45:37 it was a good countdown 07:45:39 lots of time passing 07:45:41 lots of times 07:46:13 i like the camera attached to it 07:46:29 at least i'm assuming that's what it is 07:46:51 ha 07:46:53 look at that camera go 07:47:29 ok a camera burning up is the coolest-looking thing 07:47:38 actually i guess it's not burning up 07:47:43 but it's going messy!!! 07:48:18 rocket xcitement 07:48:27 that thing looks hot!!! 07:48:33 be careful camera 07:48:55 it sure is quiet in space 07:50:03 -!- quintopia has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 07:50:52 i think something's about to happen!!!! 07:50:58 rocket xcitement levels: doubled 07:52:15 quintopia: Well, you can install various programs are available. But anything on the computer require installing a plugin unless included with operating system. With Windows, you need to install a program to use Firefox and wget too; with Linux both programs are included by default. 07:52:44 ok something didn't happen 07:52:46 but it's still xciting 07:53:30 oohh 07:53:31 monqy: prettey 07:53:33 wohoa, 07:53:38 what's that!! 07:53:57 it's 07:53:58 space 07:53:59 nebulas 07:54:08 like in star trek! 07:54:28 whpaoaoaooaoa 07:54:34 did you see that 07:54:45 yes 07:54:46 where is the camera 07:54:49 is it floating in space :( 07:55:04 oh good it's not 07:55:05 help 07:55:09 -!- quintopia has joined. 07:55:13 cameraaaaaaa 07:55:18 nice abstract art 07:55:27 wow it's freaking out! 07:55:55 camera pls cooperate 07:56:51 rocket are you ok 07:57:03 this is a great moment 07:57:08 monqy: did you see the spacex logo melting 07:57:13 when it was awaiting downlink thingy 07:57:14 ye 07:57:17 that was beautiful 07:57:21 video compression is wonderful 07:57:33 rocket are you melting 07:57:45 are you ok!!! 07:57:56 no i don't want to see maps show me camera 07:58:57 happy 07:59:30 are these people rockets 07:59:41 are you a rocket 07:59:42 am i a rocket 07:59:43 oh wow i didn't expect presenters 07:59:47 this is amazing 08:00:46 nice musak 08:00:48 space muzik 08:00:49 ye 08:01:01 is this what space sounds like 08:01:14 awwww 08:01:18 aww 08:01:19 what's aww 08:01:25 SpaceX Our live webcast is now complete. Thanks for tuning in. #DragonLaunch 08:01:31 what ! 08:01:39 ok but 08:01:43 they'll be back later right??? :'( 08:01:49 i dont know :[ 08:01:56 mmm i'm going to keep tuned in 08:01:58 for this space muzak 08:02:00 noooo 08:02:02 it stopped 08:02:04 nooooooooooooooo 08:02:10 i finally understand the harsh reality of space 08:03:49 -!- monqy has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:06:22 -!- nooga has joined. 08:24:26 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 08:37:23 -!- aloril has joined. 08:49:42 oh man 08:49:52 crawl's tilegen stuff pops up one thing in my dock for each tile 08:49:53 it's like a dance 08:50:57 dock? 08:51:05 what desktop thing you using 08:51:13 OS X, temporarily. 08:53:46 :/ 09:09:52 What is a "10 point must system"? 09:11:36 hmm 09:25:59 "We may be stupid, but we're not clever" 09:27:07 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:28:35 Whose quotation is that? 09:32:05 It's from A Bit of Fry and Laurie 09:32:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8ESoNgdR8E 09:32:26 Around 4:22 09:33:02 Sgeo: how do you Americans live with your crazy danger plugs 09:33:03 Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 09:33:15 I mean are you immune to electricity 09:33:26 Danger plugs? 09:34:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NEMA-AC-Power-Plugs.jpg 09:34:24 THE FACE OF ELECTRICAL DEATH 09:36:34 What's wrong with that? 09:37:23 There aren't any insulating sleeves on the blades! You can have live current flowing through exposed conductors centimetres from your hand! 09:38:12 I think approximately no one grabs the cord by the blandes 09:38:14 Ever 09:38:44 Yes but the plug is so small! 09:38:47 You'd have to have it sticking half-way in for that to even be possible, really 09:38:57 Why would a cord be sticking in an outlet halfway in? 09:39:12 Also the cable comes out of the back so it could get pulled halfway out! 09:39:22 HOW ARE YOU STILL ALIVE 09:40:14 Hmm, good point 09:40:24 But, it's really not difficult to not get electrocuted, I think 09:40:42 Do you have knives where you are? If you misuse those, you can get killed 09:41:08 (Note: I'm not actually as defensive as I seem, I think) 09:42:06 Well obviously, but using one of your crazy plugs is like JUGGLING KNIVES BLINDFOLDED 09:42:16 also the blindfold is MADE OF KNIVES 09:47:19 -!- derdon has joined. 09:51:49 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:52:05 -!- ais523 has joined. 09:57:10 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:00:08 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 10:06:50 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Page closed). 10:08:43 -!- PatashuXantheres has joined. 10:09:51 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 10:10:12 -!- aloril has joined. 10:19:23 I was playing Wheel of Fortune on computer and got BANKRUPT three times in a row 10:19:45 oops 10:28:45 Is the europlug really that much different? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Europlug2.jpg 10:28:58 that has plastic but 10:29:01 dear god you poor europeans 10:29:05 look 10:29:10 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Moulded_and_rewireable_BS_1363_plugs.jpg 10:29:13 this is the face of true safety 10:29:57 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Three_pin_mains_plug_%28UK%29.svg 10:29:58 safety 10:30:15 Yeah, you've got that weirdo built-in fuse thing. 10:30:30 the fuse is there for SAFETY 10:30:41 Safety is for WUSSIES. 10:30:45 The plug is polarised, so that the fuse is in the line side of the supply. The standard specifies retention force for the contacts, so that the plug is difficult to dislodge by accidental knocks or strains on the flexible cord. The flexible cord always enters the plug from the bottom, discouraging removal by tugging on the cable, which can damage the cable. The internal arrangement of the terminals ensures that if the cable is pulled 10:30:45 out of the plug, the line wire breaks first. 10:31:09 SAFETY 10:32:09 Most shucko plugs also make a 90-degree angle w.r.t. the pins and the cable direction, though not all do. 10:34:12 Schuko, apparently. Well, anyway, letter order. 10:34:50 schkuo 10:36:11 What should I tell to the chancellor to lead him into the trap? (This is the Dungeons&Dragons game) 10:38:51 Schuko plug isn't "polarised", though, so you can plug it in "the wrong way around". There was a hilarious article in one magazine article about how having your devices plugged in the wrong way will make you sick. I think it also involved using a crystal pendulum to get the orientation right. 10:39:54 (The game is really won with words, not with swords.) 10:40:47 http://www.radionuoret.net/images/topseli_vaarinpain.jpg -- sadly, it's a scan so (probably? do they do OCR yet?) no Google Translate for you. 10:40:54 But you can see her doing the pendulum thing. 10:41:09 It's not a crystal pendulum, though. 10:42:06 "When a metal band, for example a symmetric ring, hanging from a string, is brought next to the outlet, it will start swinging if the plug has the wrong orientation", to paraphrase from the body text. 10:43:08 She does not recommend you to go swapping your plugs around unless you know what you're doing, though. 10:47:23 (She's an... "energy therapeut", so she's an expert in these things.) 10:48:27 @tell ais523 I cleaned up [[nethackwiki:NetHack 4]]; you're welcome. 10:48:27 Consider it noted. 10:59:50 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:01:18 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:12:46 @ask ais523 By the way, what's #tip? 11:12:46 Consider it noted. 11:38:01 -!- PatashuXantheres has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:38:28 -!- Patashu has joined. 11:47:19 elliott: NetHack meme: basically it's the only new feature that's not in any of the variants and is confirmed to be in $NEXTVERSION, and it's really minor, and many people think it's ridiculous 11:47:19 ais523: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. 11:47:25 @clear-messages 11:47:25 Messages cleared. 11:47:29 ais523: what is that feature? 11:47:37 it's a command that lets you tip containers over 11:48:02 heh 11:48:04 to what effect? 11:49:06 the contents fall out 11:49:59 that's awesome 11:50:01 you should implement it 12:11:57 -!- zzo38 has quit (Quit: zzo38). 12:27:38 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:28:16 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 12:30:02 -!- DH____ has joined. 12:33:03 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:34:10 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 12:34:35 -!- DH____ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 12:40:41 -!- aloril has joined. 13:25:57 -!- augur has joined. 13:27:03 -!- cheater has joined. 13:34:15 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 13:44:37 -!- azaq23 has joined. 13:44:56 -!- azaq23 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 13:45:41 -!- azaq23 has joined. 13:57:27 -!- cheater has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat). 14:01:12 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:01:29 -!- augur has joined. 14:02:28 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:02:36 -!- augur has joined. 14:04:31 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:05:27 -!- Taneb has joined. 14:05:29 -!- augur has joined. 14:05:32 Hello 14:05:47 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:06:03 -!- augur has joined. 14:06:32 -!- Gregor has set topic: TOMORROW IS THE MOUNTAIN | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 14:12:19 hi 14:40:25 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:40:49 -!- augur has joined. 14:45:00 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 14:49:28 -!- cheater has joined. 14:54:02 * Sgeo wonders if Quassel has improved since he last tried it 14:54:16 0.8 is out 14:55:37 "Useless use of \E" 14:55:42 they didn't have to phrase it /quite/ like that :) 14:55:59 what does \E do? 14:56:20 This is why Perl is fourth on my list of non-esoteric programming languages to learn 14:56:49 I thought that perl was esoteric. like java' 14:57:08 that reminds me, I was going to delete [[esolang:Java]] 14:57:23 but instead I'll tell ais523 to do it 14:57:43 Java's my third for reasons I don't quite know 14:57:56 nortti: cancels a preceding directive to lowercase, uppercase, or quote interpolated variables 14:58:14 and i will do that now: 14:58:22 hey ais523, delete [[esolang:Java]], please 14:58:43 elliott: I was already doing it 14:58:53 thanks 14:58:53 nortti: the warning happens if you \E without anything for it to cancel 15:03:33 -!- ais523 has quit. 16:15:54 -!- oklofok has joined. 16:19:08 -!- oklopol has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:52:20 -!- augur has joined. 17:14:35 -!- kmc has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:14:58 -!- kmc has joined. 17:31:18 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 17:33:05 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:43:54 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:02:44 -!- zzo38 has joined. 18:10:27 -!- Snowyowl has joined. 18:11:41 -!- Guest28135 has joined. 18:11:43 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 18:12:00 Try to check the site of cottages in BALI: www.bebaucottage.comli.com 18:12:01 -!- Guest28135 has left. 18:12:14 -!- nortti_ has joined. 18:13:43 -!- Deewiant has joined. 18:15:48 I have an idea, I want to ask if anyone knows whether it's been done before 18:15:59 Snowyowl: OK please do so 18:16:19 Snowyowl: the answer is yes. someone knows. 18:16:33 perhaps in the very channel! 18:16:37 *this 18:16:47 the source code is a 2d maze, probably with some sort of doors and keys system 18:17:03 outputs 1 if there is a path through it and 0 if there is not 18:17:15 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:17:16 requires nondeterministic computing to compile 18:17:26 or pathfinding or whatever it's called 18:17:32 No it doesn't. 18:17:32 well 18:17:44 it depends on what youmean 18:17:47 that's as far as I've got 18:17:59 what is there that's similar 18:18:05 if the door/key system is in a sense turing-complete 18:18:13 which is to say you can implement xircuits with it 18:18:23 then there is no such decider 18:18:35 no fast decider 18:18:42 no 18:18:45 no decider 18:18:53 it's finite in size 18:19:13 so then the door/key system must not be TCthen 18:19:18 and in state space 18:19:35 then no, i've never heard of anything like it 18:19:45 my idea is that every door can be open or closed 18:19:59 and keys/switches control them 18:20:26 thanks 18:21:53 -!- oerjan has joined. 18:29:28 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 18:38:43 -!- Snowyowl has quit (Quit: Page closed). 18:39:52 HATS 18:40:23 * oerjan wonders if Gregor has a sombrero 18:41:10 "Sombrero" is just Spanish for "hat" 18:41:22 i actually learned that just the other day. 18:41:24 That being said, http://codu.org/hats/Cowpoke-med.jpg. 18:42:34 -!- pikhq has joined. 18:42:43 (I now finally have a skimmer, which is why I said "HATS") 18:45:28 excellent for steamboat strolling, i assume 18:45:55 Yup 18:51:44 now you just need to get chrome-free tapdancing shoes. 18:52:26 Naw, I'll just swindle ponies out of their cider. 18:55:14 * oerjan assumes that's a MLP reference 18:57:50 -!- asiekierka has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:00:13 Everything's full of multilayer perceptron references these days. 19:00:32 you'd think 19:09:58 multilayer pony 19:09:59 my little perceptron 19:12:14 My Little Perceptron: Machine Learning is Magic 19:14:30 -!- calamari has joined. 19:21:16 -!- Ngevd has joined. 19:21:45 Hello 19:21:52 evening 19:21:54 -!- Ngevd has changed nick to Taneb. 19:22:33 morning 19:22:55 olsner: you're not in sweden? 19:23:01 of course I am 19:23:28 did sweden suddenly move? 19:24:01 it's always moving 19:24:15 ooh 19:24:22 Sweden has rollerskates now 19:27:24 There's that funnyish story about Great Britain moving. 19:27:32 http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/england.htm 19:28:00 Okay, it's kind of pointless. 19:33:35 Maybe more than kind of. 19:40:11 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:41:23 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:50:39 I, uh... The... I mean, this... there's this Eurovision contest thing, and this one entry is... it's about "social networks". 19:51:09 How's the Eurovision doing? 19:51:10 well that's inevitable, isn't it. 19:51:15 UK sucking as usual? 19:51:17 It's called "The Social Network Song: oh oh uh oh oh". 19:51:29 We don't see you until the finals, I think. 19:51:38 Okay 19:51:44 Aren't you one of the guaranteed-in countries? 19:51:51 I think so? 19:51:58 i don't watch tv, but i read somewhere that the uk's singer is supposedly engelbert humperdinck 19:52:00 I don't really follow it 19:52:05 oerjan, yeah it is 19:52:20 That seems to be the case. 19:52:30 The finals are on Saturday. 19:52:31 I think the Powers That Be thought, "I know what will win it this time! Getting someone who hasn't been popular for 40 years with a silly name!" 19:53:09 Our singer's singi in Swedish. 19:53:10 the silly name was taken from someone else who was dead already then, i read 19:53:19 euro neuro 19:53:24 I suppose they're hoping to get votes from Sweden. 19:53:28 i heard that one 19:53:56 fizzie: might work for norwegians too 19:54:37 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 19:54:58 Sweden's song is titled "Euphoria", but I don't know what language they use. It's on the Thursday semifinal, not today. 19:55:44 iirc it was english (I should not know this) 19:56:00 As seems to be Norway, with "Stay", by someone called "Tooji". 19:56:24 Denmark's on right at this moment, though. 19:57:22 tooji is a wholesome norwegian youth from pakistan or thereabouts. 19:57:32 that social network song was not very good, I'm surprised 19:59:11 Our song included a musician (cellist?) who has lived in Israel earlier, which, according to the announcers of the Finnish TV broadcast, should net us some Israelite votes. 19:59:18 I'm not sure how that works. 19:59:45 i guess shachaf would vote for you if he wasn't in the us. 20:00:23 You guys in Finland, Sweden, and Norway get to be in a sweet voting block 20:00:28 And your entries don't suck 20:00:29 But they also mentioned that Finland and Estonia are the only two countries where the TV broadcast includes (translated) subtitles for the actual songs. 20:00:40 The UK has Ireland and Malta in our block 20:01:04 i thought denmark would be in ours, but maybe they're not participating? 20:01:18 22:56 < fizzie> Denmark's on right at this moment, though. 20:01:28 ah. 20:01:48 -!- olsner has set topic: ESOTERIC SONG CONTEST | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 20:01:53 Are there any danes or icelanders in this channel? 20:02:22 i think i saw a dane here once. they're surprisingly rare. 20:02:34 Though I'm not sure if voting in these semifinals is restricted to countries in it? In which case this one would have only Finland, Denmark and I guess Iceland, which I missed; and then Norway and Sweden on Thursday. 20:02:42 while the icelanders are rare, unsurprisingly. 20:03:09 Iceland's bigger than Northumberland, and there's at least two Northumbrians here 20:03:19 tru dat 20:04:01 (it's only bigger by about 6000, though) 20:04:18 I don't think Finland has really gotten so many votes from the "block", statistically speaking. I mean, sure, they vote for us more than the overall average, but it's often just a token one point. 20:04:27 Taneb: bigger in area or population? 20:04:47 6000 units bigger in area. 20:05:33 olsner, population 20:06:22 if I lived on Iceland I'd probably be too busy running from volcanoes to spend a lot of time on IRC 20:07:09 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:07:42 -!- nortti_ has left ("AndroIRC"). 20:09:40 Uh... it's Austria and a "tracktor gangsta-rap duo". 20:10:33 by austria, do you mean austria, australia or switzerland? :P 20:11:08 Or Sweden? 20:11:34 Australia hasn't historically had a large presence in the eurovision contest, I don't thing. 20:12:11 I think Japan should join ESC, they belong in that kind of contest 20:12:24 fizzie: maybe the uk could send assange next year. 20:12:52 (or maybe they should rather be in the esoteric song contest) 20:13:08 have you seen assange's talk show? 20:13:09 And, for the Australian Entry, here's itidus21! 20:13:15 it's pretty interesting / entertaining 20:14:51 Taneb: hmm, good point there ... australia <-> austria <-> switzerland <-> sweden 20:15:25 <-> norway <-> denmark? 20:16:00 yeah, scandinavia is all the same... and suddenly you're in finland and iceland too 20:16:39 norway <-> netherlands <-> belgium 20:16:57 norway and netherlands? not sure 20:17:07 Hmm 20:17:16 -!- monqy has joined. 20:17:19 belgium and brussels though 20:17:42 "which one is the country? both!" 20:18:27 Luxembourg 20:21:01 ... austria's is sending (sent?) some people calling themselves "trackshittaz" :S 20:21:07 i didn't hear brussels was a country - yet. 20:21:49 olsner: If our lyric transtions are accurate, the song title means roughly "shake your ass". 20:22:22 woki mit deim popo = wookie with your poo poo? 20:24:10 oklofok: I only just now realized what your "euro neuro" was referring to. (I'd missed the three first, but they're doing short recaps now.) 20:24:30 -!- monqy has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 20:25:40 -!- monqy has joined. 20:25:43 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 20:25:49 * oerjan recalls ye olde norwegian hit "rumpa mi" ("my ass") 20:26:22 sorry, *rompa 20:26:28 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:27:29 I am neither old nor norwegian enough to remember that 20:27:58 the olde is somewhat facetious, i heard it in 2004 or 2006 while up north, i think 20:28:27 Oh hay, Finland had the longest string of "been participating but never won" (1961-2003), but we screwed that up with our 2004 win; now it's Portugal (1964-present). 20:28:56 I thought Finland won in '06? 20:29:00 oerjan: heh, cute song 20:29:59 -!- monqy_ has joined. 20:30:11 -!- monqy has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 20:30:38 Taneb: Sorry, yes. 20:31:02 oh, lordi! 20:31:04 Misreaded the page. 20:31:11 Lithuania should have won that year. 20:31:22 "We are the winners! Of Eurovision! 20:31:30 euro neuro was so stupid i think i blacked out. i just remember they guy said euro neuro. 20:31:33 Goodnight 20:31:36 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Goodbye). 20:32:04 there's another retard singing about how she's gonna win this year 20:32:22 and the song is absolute shit 20:32:27 I was just going to @tell Taneb that. 20:32:36 it's not even catchy in a trivial pop music fashion 20:32:43 it's just stupid 20:33:30 It's got quite a lot of "I'm the best person ever and will win everything" lyrics, not just a single refrain. 20:34:20 luckily my pizza was finished before i heard much 20:35:31 did they say that the euro neuro guy was a mathematician btw? i heard something about a mathematician before it but only paid attention during that word. 20:36:15 olsner: What's austria got to do with switzerland o_O 20:36:17 -!- monqy_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:36:24 mroman_: alps 20:36:58 -!- monqy has joined. 20:37:02 I see. 20:37:06 that and having no discernible difference, except for being different countries (but who keeps track of that?) 20:37:13 oklofok: His stage name is "Rambo Amadeus", which admittedly does sound quite mathematician-like. 20:37:26 There is a huge difference ;) 20:37:44 You're just too far away to notice. 20:37:59 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambo_Amadeus so i guess not 20:38:12 He graduated in tourism studies from the University of Belgrade's Faculty of Mathematics and Natural Sciences. 20:38:13 oklofok: which song was the retarded i'm-gonna-win song? 20:38:22 i don't know the name. 20:38:29 a couple of songs after euro neuro 20:39:07 Austrians all speak the same language. 20:39:22 I sorta envy that. 20:39:29 they all speak swiss? :P 20:39:31 olsner: That was Latvia's "Beautiful Song". 20:39:39 olsner: No, german ;) 20:41:20 disclaimer: the song may not have been quite as horrible as i implied, i just thought the topic was retarded. 20:41:31 but yeah it certainly wasn't very good. 20:41:39 but more seriously, what *is* the difference between austria and switzerland? 20:41:50 -!- kwertii has joined. 20:41:52 Culture. 20:41:59 olsner: The first letter. 20:42:06 Language. 20:42:09 cheese with holes? that's known to be swiss 20:42:14 Also some minor differences. 20:42:23 Like Canada and USA 20:42:52 -!- monqy has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:43:01 olsner: We have cheese with holes, yes. 20:43:02 (austria and australia also have different cultures and languages, but they're still the same country) 20:44:25 fwiw, swedish cheese has holes too 20:46:04 "Austrians" sounds like a bird species. 20:46:16 "Swiss" sounds like "some guys who produce knives" 20:46:24 . 20:47:24 ooh, right, those knives/multitools - and the guards in the vatican are swiss 20:47:32 the poor austrians don't seem to have any distinguishing features 20:47:38 :D yes @Schweizergarde 20:48:33 (They carry guns under their clothes) 20:48:39 At least I hope so. 20:49:05 Perhaps they are made of guns. 20:49:05 Else it would literally be "bringing a knife to a gun fight" 20:49:38 I guess they could be "australia without the kangaroos" or "the one with the alps but *not* the cheese, the guards in the vatican or the army knives" 20:50:07 australia without the kangoroos sounds perfect. 20:50:21 olsner: austrians have opera 20:51:01 opera is much more common in russia or indonesia though 20:51:22 * oerjan swats olsner -----### 20:51:45 i _assume_ that's a pun, because i read austria is #1 on the music version. 20:52:53 apparently austria is the one that has vienna 20:54:50 Denmark and Iceland have already been accepted, but we haven't. :/ 20:55:07 (Four more to announce.) 20:55:43 -!- monqy has joined. 20:57:17 The scary! Only one more. 20:58:13 apparently prince Franz Ferdinand von Österreich-Esten, famous for starting the first world war, was austrian too 20:58:28 (I was going to say "he was austrian, but ironically his last name is switzerland!" but then I realized) 20:58:38 Oh no, no go for us. 21:01:33 also famous for Hitler and Josef Fritz... poor austrians 21:02:19 and wolfgang priklopil. 21:02:30 supposedly also famous for apfelstrudel (which I'd vaguely associate with vienna... but who keeps track of where vienna is?) and pez candy 21:03:08 also Freud, apparently... but that probably doesn't help them since "everyone" "knows" he was German 21:08:41 And Johann Strauss Jr. *blech* 21:12:35 US > Austria for sure. 21:12:44 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 21:12:52 All the famous musicians originated there. 21:13:23 *all good musicians 21:17:49 Ironically most of them were black. 21:18:12 In a dark time. 21:18:12 Arnold Schwarzenegger is from Austria 21:18:23 But not a musician? 21:18:25 all the good musicians are from the UK 21:18:32 kmc: Like? 21:18:59 radiohead 21:19:20 muse 21:19:29 franz ferdinand von not österreich 21:19:38 That is a Band @radiohead 21:19:41 and that's just recent ones 21:20:14 beatles, pink floyd, rolling stones, led zeppelin 21:20:21 basically the uk owns at music somehow 21:20:52 Ok. 21:21:03 "beatles" would be a good name for a band. 21:21:06 (As kmc would say.) 21:21:22 "as kmc would say", as shachaf would say 21:21:33 yields falsehood when preceeded by its quotation 21:23:21 Louis Armstrong, Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck, Nat King Cole, Clark Terry, Robert Johnson, Howlin' Wolf, Lightnin' Hopkins, Muddy Waters, Ray Charles... 21:23:22 "yielding truth when preceded by its quotation would imply that 1=0" yielding truth when preceded by its quotation would imply that 1=0 21:23:31 beatles, pink floyd, rolling stones and led zeppelin are of these odd bands all sucky, trivial music. 21:23:39 the even ones are ok. 21:23:49 -!- derdon has joined. 21:25:08 Robert Bell . 21:25:17 I don't know any of these things. 21:26:02 shachaf: it's probably because you don't own a TV 21:26:19 -!- qfr has joined. 21:27:41 kmc: Probably. 21:27:59 IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH 21:28:21 kmc: Have you seen _Rosencrantz And Guildenstern Are Dead_? 21:28:49 no 21:28:53 You should! 21:28:55 It's a good play. 21:29:22 kmc: You neglected Queen. (how dare you) 21:29:43 i'll neglect you 21:29:58 pikhq_: Queen Elizabeth II? 21:30:02 I heard of her! 21:30:06 Is she a musician? 21:30:12 She's UK 21:30:15 So she's got to be. 21:30:34 shachaf: No, no, Her Majesty is not a musician of note. 21:31:02 Though several of Her subjects are. 21:31:17 "It's the future and Queen Elizabeth III and Queen Elizabeth IV are going to a party held by Queen Elizabeth V. They're keen to make the right impression so it's important that they choose their outfits carefully. Queen Elizabeth III has forty dresses to choose from, where as Queen Elizabeth IV has four thousand. Queen Elizabeth V has just one dress, but it has the ability to transform itself into the shape of any dress." 21:31:39 :) 21:31:58 thachaf 21:32:12 kmc: (I watched that MPEG stream over TCP/IP so it doesn't count as television.) 21:32:22 8=d 21:37:33 -!- FireFly has quit (Changing host). 21:37:33 -!- FireFly has joined. 21:45:45 hi FireFly 21:45:47 HireFly 21:45:59 Why, hello 21:46:14 Who are you? 21:46:43 Some random person who happens to be a bit interested in esolangs 21:47:06 And in Haskell and in StackOverflow and in JavaScript? 21:47:10 Coincidence? 21:47:18 Probably 21:50:16 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:50:59 kmc: Just think of all the exciting Control.Concurrent.Spawn discussions you're missing in #-blah! 21:53:20 oh well 21:53:25 i did my time 21:54:15 kmc: Well, don't be surprised if you get a GitHub Pull Request!!!!!!!! 21:54:25 "as kmc would say" 21:54:26 what's the situation? 21:54:53 I think the idea is that your primitive should be parSequence{,_} instead of parMapM{,_} 21:55:16 maybe 21:55:20 i also have (|*|) :: IO (a -> b) -> IO a -> IO b 21:56:06 Have you ever used that? 21:56:13 sequence = mapM id, right? 21:56:23 shachaf: I tested it; I don't remember using it otherwise 21:56:31 mapM = sequence .: map 21:57:06 right, building sequence from mapM and building mapM from sequence are about equally difficult 21:57:12 which is to say, neither is difficult 21:59:03 and I think mapM is the more practically useful one 21:59:10 at least, it's the one I use more often 22:00:10 kmc: You should tell Peaker before he wastes his time sending you a pull request! 22:00:14 Or after. Who knows. 22:00:43 so i'm inclined to leave it alone, unless there's some additional consideration i'm missing 22:00:46 i'll let him make his case :) 22:35:38 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:43:18 -!- rvchangue_ has joined. 22:46:13 -!- rvchangue has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:51:07 -!- david_werecat has joined. 23:15:31 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 23:18:37 -!- Patashu has joined. 23:23:23 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:27:46 -!- Patashu has joined. 23:35:33 -!- PatashuXantheres has joined. 23:38:23 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 23:40:57 Why am I learning about Warsow, it's selling point that it heavily promotes is a turn-off for mne 23:40:59 me 23:43:32 Sgeo what selling point would that be 23:43:46 The whole "Movement is a skill" thing 23:44:06 "What sets War§ow apart from other FPS games 23:44:06 Focus on movement as a skill with various possibilities of gaining speed and moving throughout levels." 23:45:12 On the one hand, I like Tremulous, on the other two hands, I hate playing as alien and the community's practically dead 23:54:48 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:58:12 kmc: UPDATE: Windows people still use "Unicode" to mean "UTF-16". 23:58:19 of course :/ 23:58:28 I guess that's more of a non-update. 23:59:40 -!- madbr has joined. 23:59:59 sort of a BREAKING NEWS update