00:15:03 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 00:18:01 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:18:21 -!- derdon has joined. 00:31:36 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbXfyH0rt3M 00:31:37 <3 00:49:32 -!- xander345 has joined. 00:49:52 hello 00:50:43 rehi 00:50:57 what does that mean? 00:51:03 hi again 00:51:11 oh i get it 00:51:48 i wanted to see if the owner of esolangs wanted to do a link exchagen with http://codecompiler.info 00:52:44 elliott: you're still here, right? 00:53:02 yep 00:53:10 xander345: can you specify what you mean by link exchange exactly? 00:54:00 well because i'm adding support for more and more esolangs on codecompiler we could link to each others site as both of our visitors care about esolangs 00:54:26 hmm, wouldn't linking the compiler from the pages of the languages it supports be more reasonable? 00:55:08 yeh that would be good 00:56:01 it only does about 5 right now but it's really easy to add more so we can have more links with each other 01:01:37 well, anybody can add relevant external links to pages on the wiki... 01:03:24 are they dofollow and would you like me to put a link esolangs.org on codecompiler.info ? 01:05:07 mediawiki nofollows links to avoid spamming 01:06:39 and the whole of esolangs.org runs on MediaWiki 01:08:11 xander345: how many visitors (or at least hits) does your site get a month, anyway? esolangs.org is relatively high-traffic (for a small site, at least) 01:10:51 it was getting about 500 a day when it worked but now that it's been on a sever for 2 months where it doesn't actually work the traffic has droped but i'm getting a vps for it in the next few days and it should get backup and i'm adding a register system where you get to complie more per day if you refer more people 01:11:39 500 visitors or hits? 01:13:53 visitors per day 01:14:13 if hits aren't visitors what are they? i always though they were the same as visitors 01:14:24 hits are individual page loads; visitors are usually counted by unique IPs 01:14:28 hits are a lot easier to count 01:14:58 I just checked; esolangs.org gets about 23000-26000 hits per day; it'll be trickier to get the number of visits, but I'll try and write an awk script to do it... 01:17:34 OK, we get about 1250-1380 visitors per day 01:18:45 thats pretty good 01:20:08 i'll put codecompiler links in all the languages it supports and add one in the navigation bar 01:20:17 which navigation bar? 01:21:24 the one where it says Home Esolangs Codepanel.net About Us Login / Register 01:21:35 kmc: Did you ever get that Stripe shirt? 01:21:50 ah 01:23:02 the wiki already has some links to your site, actually 01:23:11 I suspect there might be quite a lot of overlap between your visitors and our visitors, really 01:23:24 where are you getting the visitor count statistic from? 01:23:36 mine is from the nginx access logs with duplicate IPs removed 01:25:34 anyway, I think removing the nofollow (which I'm not entirely sure how to do, anyway, and which would require modifying LocalSettings.php) in return for visitors might count as an ad, which I cannot add to the site 01:27:52 xander345: hmm, codecompiler.info fails to compile the cell test in http://www.hevanet.com/cristofd/brainfuck/tests.b 01:28:01 I'm not sure what the problem is; perhaps because I didn't select an OS? when I do that, the esolangs list disappears 01:29:07 yeh it's because i'm getting a new server in a few days so until then nothing will compiler 01:29:13 *compile 01:32:35 xander345: out of curiosity, what sandboxing are you using? 01:34:23 it doesn't need one because it doesn't actually run any of the programs, people have uploaded virus and scripts and it compiles them and nothing else happens, everybody was telling me they could take it down easily but they were ALL wrong 01:34:47 i do not let anybody understand how the site works 01:35:21 well, you support D; D supports running code at compile time 01:35:28 and security through obscurity is generally considered a bad idea 01:36:29 D doesn't work yet 01:36:42 ok, but when it does... :) 01:37:27 codecompiler controls how it is compiled all the users controls is what is in the file 01:37:48 right: D lets you run code at compile-time 01:37:50 with its template stuff 01:37:55 just by writing a code file 01:39:15 thats why i've not include D yet 01:39:31 i'm going to put this in: http://php.net/manual/en/runkit.sandbox.php before re-release 01:39:48 that just sandboxes PHP itself, not any process it runs 01:39:58 you'll probably want UMLBox or a virtual machine for the latter 01:40:07 (UMLBox is what our EgoBot and HackEgo bots, which allow execution of arbitrary code, work) 01:40:09 erm 01:40:11 (UMLBox is what our EgoBot and HackEgo bots, which allow execution of arbitrary code, use) 01:42:03 how do i use that from php? 01:42:47 it's a standalone program, so probably use whatever mechanism you currently use to call the compilers 01:42:48 https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/umlbox 01:46:50 -!- david_werecat has joined. 01:46:57 xander345: Anyway, if you'd like to get nofollow removed from links, bring it up on the community portal's talk page to see what the community thinks; I would be breaking trust of several people if I were to do it out of my own volition rather than the community's. 01:47:29 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_portal 01:47:46 i went to esolangs and saw that they were all dofollow links anyway 01:48:00 hmm, they're not 01:48:05 internal links are 01:48:08 external links aren't: 01:54:05 damn 01:56:50 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:58:46 -!- xander345 has quit (Quit: Page closed). 02:16:37 there's that solved 02:18:17 temporarily, at least 02:18:40 hmm, have I spoken in here about my love of people sequence-breaking live-action gameshows? it isn't really the right channel… 02:20:46 How could there be a better channel? 02:21:00 Although I wonder what game shows can be sequence-broken ... 02:21:10 (I accidentally sequence-broke Portal 2 and caused a bizarre plot hole in the process!) 02:22:13 Gregor: typically action ones where the puzzle is basically "get from A to B" or "starting at A get item X" and there's a bunch of obstacles that are meant to be combined creatively to solve the problem 02:22:47 the sequence breaks normally involve holding onto things you weren't intended to hold on (one I saw today involved hooks on the ceiling that you were meant to hang a walkway from, instead the contestant just held onto the hooks and swung across the ceilng) 02:23:10 or alternatively, gaining more height than expected (reaching things you weren't expected to reach by jumping, or by standing on the shoulders of a partner rather than sitting on them) 02:24:18 I'm surprised nobody's beaten one of the puzzles where you're meant to retrieve a code to unlock something by brute-forcing the code 02:24:30 it seems doable if you recover a few digits but not all of them 02:25:01 depending on the way the game is presented, it may not be doable 02:25:07 oh, of course 02:25:14 since it may be seen as a rules violation 02:25:16 it's pretty rare, and typically fixed in future runnings of the show 02:25:28 I like shows which don't penalise people for unintended solutions 02:25:50 although you're right, the show's producers could arbitrarily forbid things if they liked 02:26:08 (that's particularly obnoxious in the UK version of Gladiators (the US version is known as American Gladiators in the US)) 02:26:20 the question I would say comes down to whether failure to follow instructions is a violation 02:26:26 a whole load of people getting disqualified for not going about the events the exact way they were supposed to 02:26:39 like in Survivor, the challenges are described as "do X, then Y, then the first person to do Z wins" 02:26:47 well, in the cases I was talking about, there weren't explicit instructions, you were meant to figure it out 02:26:52 oh, that's bad 02:27:07 it could be interpreted as either "you must do X and Y and then Z" or "you must do Z. X and Y are the suggested and intented means." 02:27:24 you definitely should not have invisible rules 02:27:38 oh, in the cases where sequence-breaking was allowed 02:27:42 not the cases where it was forbidden 02:28:19 oh I see 02:28:21 nevermind 02:28:33 although my comment about Survivor's instructions stands. Are they rules or suggestions? 02:28:54 I don't know 02:29:05 watching closely tends to indicate they are rules, but they don't show that much on TV 02:29:08 I haven't really watched Survivor much, btw; it's not very popular in the UK so doesn't get shown much 02:29:28 it was shown more in Canada, but French subtitles really throw me off following English speech, for some reason 02:29:36 oh right, Ottawa 02:30:08 do the TV channels vary in language composition from province to province/city to city? 02:30:21 it seems unlikely that the TV in Ottawa is significantly different to the rest of Ontario 02:30:23 but perhaps it is 02:30:42 there weren't French subtitles on everything, just on some things (and some things were in French outright) 02:31:36 Yeah, it does. 02:32:02 French shows and even subtitles are quite rare elsewhere. 02:32:28 but the National Capital Region is definitely one of the most bilingual areas of the country 02:32:43 Montreal and most of New Brunswick being the others 02:32:49 it is really incredibly bilingual 02:33:02 having not visited them all, I can't say which is most 02:33:16 it's kind-of funny, really, given that pretty much everyone there knows both English /and/ French it's not quite clear how they generally choose to communicate 02:33:19 but certainly all the public service is bilingual, and Ottawa is largely public service 02:33:24 presumably the first person to speak picks a language and other people go with it 02:33:27 yeah 02:33:33 or else you alternate 02:33:44 I'm surprised that the languages haven't got mixed together there 02:33:53 people using French words in English sentences, etc 02:33:57 it's an interesting study in Parliament of the various approaches to speaking 02:34:06 or perhaps they have, just didn't to me because I only spoke in English 02:34:13 I don't think so as much 02:34:30 (and my British accent probably betrayed the fact that I don't actually know much French) 02:34:32 A lot of the bilingualism is for work, not cultural, reasons 02:34:44 I hate when it's 10:30 and I realize I didn't eat dinner X_X 02:34:56 There are some English loanwords in Québecois French, but not that many the other way 02:35:07 ("c'est ok" is a particularly egregious one) 02:35:08 Gregor: am or pm? presumably pm, if you're talking about now 02:35:13 coppro: ouch! 02:35:27 it's even pronounced "kay" rather than "kah" 02:35:39 also, I like the way you typed the é but not the ç 02:35:51 forgot about the cedilla there :) 02:36:16 do you have a ç key on your keyboard? 02:37:01 No, I use dead keys 02:37:04 ç 02:37:08 (meanwhile, I conclude that Canada is actually too large for my mind to comprehend) 02:37:16 Canada is /weird/ 02:37:19 (to be fair, even the UK is close to large enough for that) 02:37:49 (and it isn't very large) 02:39:20 Gregor: am or pm? presumably pm, if you're talking about now // yes, PM 02:41:01 Gregor: and by "dinner" you mean evening meal? 02:42:36 * ais523 wonders how large Ottawa is compared to, say, London 02:42:40 I imagine it's smaller, but am not sure 02:43:51 ais523: in Parliament, you get the Bloc, who always speak French to make a point, the Westerners, who can't speak French so always speak English, the MPs who aren't super-comfortable with their non-preferred language so they will only speak it in response to a question in that language, out of courtesy, and the MPs who are confident in both and switch often, even in the same speech. By convention, the Speaker is always the last kind, and ... 02:43:57 ... also by convention, the Deputy Speaker does not have the same native language as the Speaker, although the Deputy Speaker obeys the same conventions while speaking. 02:44:31 heh, that must be quite hard to follow 02:44:57 I looked at the parliament TV channel a bit in Canada; they were speaking in English at the time, but I couldn't really understand what they were saying anyway 02:45:11 I understood the individual points, but it was a very nomicky bit of recursive procedure 02:45:15 rather than actual lawmaking 02:45:15 In Ottawa, was it English, French, or floor audio? 02:45:23 yeah, it's gotten particularly bad lately 02:45:29 was what? 02:45:34 CPAC 02:45:44 oh, what I was watching was in English 02:45:47 ok 02:45:51 but I didn't watch enough of it to know if it'd be in French at some point 02:46:16 it's live translated 02:46:31 that makes sense, really 02:46:40 yeah 02:47:06 floor audio is what they call the feed with no translation 02:47:15 MPs have earpieces they can use to listen to the live translators 02:47:43 hmm, I imagine that most countries don't have multilingual governments 02:47:48 but Canada seems to deal with that quite well 02:47:54 Yeah. It's pretty amazing, really. 02:47:54 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:48:07 -!- pikhq has joined. 02:48:25 And they produce bilingual transcripts by the next day. 02:48:48 so, I guess the real question is why Quebec hasn't become independent yet; do they not want to leave, or does the rest of the country not want them to go? 02:49:07 apparently visiting parliamentary delegations are consistently impressed by the turnaround time much less the turnaround time in two languages 02:49:30 It came to referendum twice and came very very close to passing the second time 02:49:30 well, if it's being translated anyway, transcripts for two languages are only twice as hard as transcripts for one 02:49:41 as they can just transcript the translated audio 02:49:49 coppro: referendum across the whole country, or across just Quebec? 02:49:53 just Quebec 02:50:16 yeah, but they need to be made sure to be accurate, and the live translation might not be so accurate. 02:50:25 ah, right 02:50:35 it might be hard to actually translate it, sometimes 02:50:36 the second referendum in particular was panned for being particularly badly-worded 02:50:53 "This English sentence is hard to translate into French." 02:51:21 feelings across Canada tend to vary roughly linearly with distance from Québec 02:51:40 in the UK, there's actually a government body responsible for wording referendums 02:51:51 I didn't really like their wording on the single transferable vote issue 02:52:00 but at least it wasn't as bad as some of the ones they considered 02:52:12 and there was a PDF online explaining their reasoning (with focus groups backing it up!) 02:52:35 plenty of people feel that Québec is an important part of Canada and they'd rather keep it (msyelf included) 02:52:56 there is some sentiment that they're a bit of whiners and/or get special treatment and we'd be better off without them 02:53:10 but in my experience it is usually more of a "fine, let them go, see how well they do without the rest of us" 02:53:16 rather than a "yeah let's get rid of them" 02:53:23 not that the latter don't exist, they just aren't very common 02:54:22 There was a Supreme Court case trying to determine if Québec could secede unilaterally at some point, I think around the second referendum 02:54:41 The outcome was basically "they can't do so unilaterally, but if they voted to, then they couldn't just be ignored" 02:54:49 so both sides claimed it as a victory 02:54:54 were they /trying/ to secede unilaterally? or was it a just-in-case thing? 02:55:12 the proponents of the referendum sure would have like it to be unilateral 02:55:39 and I guess the answer is, that if they /did/ secede unilaterally, then they wouldn't consider the supreme court judgement binding on them anyway 02:56:05 since then, the Clarity Act was passed, which basically sets up a minimum standard of referendum for secession, and then commits the governments to working out how it would actually work should a vote succeed 02:56:42 reminds me a bit of the law in the UK, which says that a union can't go on strike unless its members vote for one 02:57:02 I think it's part of the measures taken to avoid a repeat of the infamous miner's strike several decades ago 02:57:10 (4) For the purpose of subsection (3), a clear expression of the will of the population of a province that the province cease to be part of Canada could not result from 02:57:13 (a) a referendum question that merely focuses on a mandate to negotiate without soliciting a direct expression of the will of the population of that province on whether the province should cease to be part of Canada; or 02:57:15 the basic idea is to avoid coercing people into striking, while still letting them do so if they want to 02:57:17 (b) a referendum question that envisages other possibilities in addition to the secession of the province from Canada, such as economic or political arrangements with Canada, that obscure a direct expression of the will of the population of that province on whether the province should cease to be part of Canada. 02:57:23 right 03:00:33 -!- david_werecat has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 03:03:09 clearly, if you want a referendum to pass, you just give the yes option and /two/ no options 03:03:13 so that the no options dilute each other 03:06:02 haha 03:06:27 they should make a voting reform referendum with a number of options, using AV :P 03:08:17 That isn't proper! The vote should just be yes/no, possibly with comments if they are needed? 03:08:32 ais523: Puerto Rico actually has that problem 03:09:03 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:09:57 -!- ais523 has joined. 03:10:01 ouch 03:10:14 meanwhile, apparently my IRC client juts segfaulted 03:10:15 *just 03:19:41 Puerto Rico has had referendums in the past where they are offered a) statehood b) status quo c) independence 03:19:59 oh dear 03:20:08 to favour the status quo? 03:20:19 My understanding is there are a fair number who would prefer a or c to b, but a and c invariably split that vote, and the indeciseveness means that the status quo gets chosen by default 03:20:40 I think they're planning a new one that first says "should we accept the status quo" and then if the answer is no, they will do another to decide between statehood and independence 03:21:12 which is unfair in another way, of course 03:21:26 indeed 03:21:28 approval vote would be a good solution for that sort of referendum, IMO 03:21:31 yeah 03:21:39 STV would work too but seems like overkill 03:22:06 that's just AV 03:22:15 AV is lim_{n\to 1} STV 03:22:23 where n is the number of outcomes selected 03:22:48 indeed 03:22:53 but even AV is overkill for something like that 03:23:32 approval would be good 03:30:49 What kind of dream did you have? 03:32:58 in the dream I had last night, Totem was a package manager… 03:33:09 I berated it for its technological inaccuracy when I woke up 03:36:45 ais523: btw, you're missing brilliant games of monqys-crawl 03:36:51 (not the same as monqy's crawl) 03:37:43 s/li/l/ 03:44:25 I have type Expander = StateT [Declaration] []; but now I think that might be wrong because, it may read only some declarations while expanding macros, and then the macros are capable to add new declarations, but we need to keep track of which declaration added on, which the compiler then may need to call the expander again to expand macros in new blocks, etc 03:47:23 I am somewhat confuse how to do 03:48:56 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 03:51:41 -!- pikhq has joined. 03:59:24 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 03:59:56 -!- pikhq has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:25:52 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 05:06:33 elliott: I just won agora 05:06:37 coppro: congrats 05:06:41 i'm trying to win monqys-crawl 05:06:43 it's /really difficult/ 05:06:48 ais523: you should telnet termcast.org, choose elliottmq 05:06:52 view a brief glimpse of monqys-crawl endgame 05:06:54 (it's nothing like crawl) 05:07:03 Who wants a MATHEMATICS PUZZLE?!? 05:08:18 -!- pikhq has joined. 05:10:59 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 05:16:23 Grah, PuTTY 05:25:01 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:26:22 -!- augur has joined. 06:41:37 -!- elliott has quit (*.net *.split). 06:41:37 -!- SimonRC has quit (*.net *.split). 06:41:37 -!- ion has quit (*.net *.split). 06:47:47 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 06:57:05 -!- elliott has joined. 06:59:56 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 07:05:56 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:07:02 -!- asiekierka has joined. 07:15:14 elliott: oh dear, I just noticed the domain name at the top of proggit right now 07:15:19 "alan.dipert.org" 07:15:23 is it THE ALAN DIPERT, I wonder? 07:15:25 i commented on that earlier 07:15:26 it is 07:19:45 also, I think I've seen that page before 07:24:20 Alan Dipert? 07:24:37 *THE ALAN DIPERT 07:46:11 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 07:46:11 -!- asiekierka has quit (Quit: Wychodzi). 07:46:54 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:51:57 -!- asiekierka has joined. 08:09:07 wow 08:11:32 -!- augur has joined. 08:11:32 -!- SimonRC has joined. 08:11:32 -!- ion has joined. 08:12:15 -!- augur has changed nick to Guest19059. 08:23:05 @tell kmc i just can't choose: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=html&cat=personas&appver=&platform= ----------- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=php&cat=personas 08:23:05 Consider it noted. 08:35:39 -!- Taneb has joined. 08:35:41 Hello! 08:36:42 Hi Taneb 08:36:46 Did you see the update? 08:36:48 Yeah 09:01:19 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: brb). 09:09:41 -!- Guest19059 has changed nick to augur. 09:35:24 -!- pikhq has joined. 09:36:32 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 09:40:31 -!- nortti has joined. 09:43:09 so a thought just occured to me.. for a program which takes code with gotos, and reorganizes it into code without gotos 09:43:35 What do you mean 'without gotos'? 09:43:51 If you mean loop-based, it's extremely difficult, if not impossible. 09:44:24 You can always write the equivalent program without gotos 09:44:30 loops, conditionals, loop breaks, continues, anything but the gotos 09:44:32 However automating that transform might be a bit hard 09:44:40 itidus20: why 09:44:40 kmc: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 09:44:52 @messages 09:44:53 cheater_ said 1h 21m 46s ago: i just can't choose: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=html&cat=personas&appver=&platform= ----------- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/? 09:44:53 q=php&cat=personas 09:44:56 I doubt anybody uses gotos without a good reason anymore 09:45:18 Lumpio-, obviously you can assuming the two things you're translating between are both TC. 09:45:34 ahhh 09:45:43 kmc: help me choose 09:45:46 is BASIC TC? 09:45:59 when nelhage published http://livegrep.com some redditor was aghast to note that there are "over 50" gotos in the Linux kernel 09:46:05 Wait 09:46:08 there are like... many thousands 09:46:31 Just write an interpreter for the goto language in the structured one, then get it to interpret the goto code. 09:46:39 Lumpio-: Automating that transform might be a bit hard? 09:46:44 kmc: hahaha 09:46:44 That's, uh, what a compiler does. 09:46:50 There's no structured control at the machine levle. 09:46:52 *level. 09:46:58 elliott: i think you have it backwards 09:47:03 elliott, he means no structured control -> structured control� 09:47:08 Oh, oops. 09:47:18 well i really meant some structued control -> all structured :D 09:47:23 Well, that's still trivial, all you need is a switch and a while loop. 09:47:24 Hey cool, alt-. makes a mid-dot� 09:47:34 I AM GOING TO DO FULL STOPS LIKE THIS FROM NOW ON� 09:47:38 kmc will now complain at me for saying "trivial". 09:47:41 … 09:47:49 elliott: it might be an acceptable use 09:47:56 hey elliott remember when you did all ellipses like that 09:48:01 œ 09:48:03 after all the reason i complain about "awesome" and "trivial" is not that I think these words should never be used 09:48:06 Phantom_Hoover: it looks like grey block for me 09:48:09 actually, he'd complain more if someone said "solved problem" 09:48:13 kmc: awesome 09:48:20 elliott :V 09:48:21 one good application for this would be so that people have no excuses to have code with gotos 09:48:24 nortti, even more reason to use it! 09:48:30 § 09:48:33 itidus20: some code is much nicer when written with goto 09:48:34 A switch is just cheating 09:48:38 In C at least 09:48:45 especially when you have only C control flow 09:48:47 itidus20, you realise the goto battle was won long ago, right? 09:48:47 A switch without fallovers or whatever. 09:48:53 ■■■■■■■■ 09:48:57 ∞ 09:49:05 ┌──────────┐ 09:49:06 │ ■■■■■■■■ │ 09:49:06 └──────────┘ 09:49:10 i will start making full stops like this ■ 09:49:16 there■ 09:49:16 Nobody uses goto as their primary control structure any more. 09:49:23 ÷πª•∞¢´∑ß≈ç√∫~∆˚øª•¶§∞åÎØÍÚÏÎ`˜ÂÁ¢ 09:49:44 because a full stop really needs to be a fully black character■ 09:49:53 elliott: I can type § without using any modifier keys kinda like ½ 09:49:57 ≈ƒµçk≈ 09:50:01 well it would be ridiculous to stop using goto altogether. 09:50:03 ☭ 09:50:03 åäöäåöäå 09:50:10 inb4 zalgo 09:50:13 i have therefore said nothing :D 09:50:17 Î‰ÅÊÓ ÍÓÈÊ 09:50:24 kmc, zalgo? 09:50:33 no zalgo 4 u 09:50:37 ow 09:50:40 that hurt■ 09:50:44 πøøπ 09:50:48 ®øø∂ 09:51:01 §üπé® 09:51:05 ˙é¬¬ø 09:51:06 hm my boxifying script probably does not handle combining characters 09:51:32 `MAN' 09:51:32 why do you have a boxifying script■ 09:51:40 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: MAN': not found 09:51:42 `´ 09:51:45 √ 09:51:46 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ´: not found 09:51:50 so i can put stuff in boxes 09:52:07 kmc, that makes sense■ 09:53:14 but it does handle 09:53:17 ┌────────────────────────────────┐ 09:53:20 │ ＦＵＬＬＷＩＤＴＨＬＡＴＩＮ │ 09:53:23 └────────────────────────────────┘ 09:53:48 But... does it handle fullwidth CJK? 09:53:52 yes 09:53:58 great 09:53:58 fwiw, it doesn't work in xchat anyways because variable width font■ 09:54:04 i get the character properties from ICU 09:54:12 cheater_: :( 09:54:18 it never did, kmc■ 09:54:19 Variable width fonts for IRC are just wrong 09:54:29 as hard as you might try■ 09:54:41 It could work 09:54:44 Lumpio-: that's only until you start using them and your eyes don't hurt anymore■ 09:54:49 Japanese people make "ASCII art" using variable width fonts 09:55:01 Lumpio-: yeah but the right wall won't line up at all■ 09:55:09 (Of course they assume everybody's running exactly the same version of Windows with the same font and rendering method) 09:55:27 (But then again over there everybody is still stuck with w2k or something) 09:55:39 this isn't exactly exactly ascii art■ 09:55:40 (And using operating systems besides Windows would dishonor your entire family) 09:55:45 it's more line drawing than anything■ 09:55:46 Yes, it's not ASCII art. They still call it that. 09:55:58 you misunderstood me■ 09:56:01 It's not even ASCII. 09:56:08 it's also not art■ 09:56:09 No, I didn't. 09:56:15 kmc's boxes are merely kitsch■ 09:56:18 I was talking about lining up stuff with variable width fonts 09:56:24 Also these days anything can be art 09:56:26 -!- azaq23 has joined. 09:56:47 As long as somebody thinks it's art, it's art. 09:56:48 what about the art of computer programming■ 09:57:04 If other people have problems accepting that all they need to do is call it experimental or progressive art 09:57:07 go program some php, make art■ 09:57:29 what if it's not progressive or experimental at all■ 09:57:50 let's say someone paints a really beautiful landscape, rembrandt style■ 09:57:53 It is if somebody says so. 09:57:58 it's touching■ 09:58:02 Also wtf is with the ■ 09:58:03 -!- ais523 has quit. 09:58:11 but it's neither progressive nor experimental■ 09:58:19 it's just the new FULLER stop■ 09:58:27 ooh 09:58:29 it's a FULL CHARACTER■ 09:58:36 Fine 09:58:42 Then I shall use the CJK full stop。 09:58:49 feel free 09:58:53 i just got bored with my fuller stop 09:59:02 i won't be using it for the time being 09:59:31 Yay、 CJK fullーwidth full stop！ 10:00:07 ꙮ 10:00:47