00:12:13 H E L O 00:23:33 501 HELO requires domain address 00:27:16 -!- monqy has joined. 00:29:54 elliott: 17:29:46 Plugin `tell' failed with: thread killed 00:30:05 congratulations!!! 00:30:09 previously that's only happened to PH 00:30:21 you got messages in ##crawl too (not from me) 00:30:27 yeah i saw 00:31:19 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:33:13 -!- elliott has joined. 00:33:21 -!- elliott has quit (Changing host). 00:33:21 -!- elliott has joined. 00:33:25 wow lag 00:37:07 monqy: Is _Concrete Mathematics_ a good book? 00:37:17 i don't know 00:37:18 is it 00:44:28 whoah, arcane sentiment started looking different 00:44:34 its am shock to america 00:45:32 "i can confirm that i am shock" - america 01:01:51 -!- zzo38 has joined. 01:24:10 02:23 Ok, so I was playing a Sonic the Hedgehog game made for the Sega Saturn. Anyways, the big bad in this one wasn't Eggman/Robotnik, it was the "Cow King". This "cow king" wore runed gauntlets, wore a fully functional tank for a suit of armour, and planned to conquer the world to open up the biggest hamburger factory ever. To beat him, I had to shoot Sonic out of a cannon built onto the final boss of Sonic 2 (obviously piloted 01:24:11 by Robotni 01:24:15 monqy: ##crawl quality. ##crawlity. 01:24:22 data LeftCo m f x = forall z. LeftCo (f (m z) -> x) (f z); If m is monad, does this make a comonad? If m is monad, does this make a comonad transformer? 01:28:21 elliott: about half the channel /ignores Lightli. the other half doesn't. 01:28:36 02:25 that the cow king was wearing. And this game was so popular they MADE a sequel wherein every sonic villain teamed up with Sonic and the Cow King to take on the Pig King, who had stolen things like the Statue of Liberty, the Longius Spear, and Albert Einstein without even using time travel. 01:28:37 (i don't, of course) 01:28:49 they sure are interesting!! 01:28:53 monqy: what perctnage of #esoteric /ignores me。 01:28:54 wow they use webchat. make that *really* interesting 01:29:32 No channels are listed under WHOIS Lightli 01:29:40 thanks zzo38 01:29:57 zzo38: /whois on Freenode normally only lists channels that you share with the /whoisee 01:30:21 /whoisee in this channel is none of your business 01:30:31 Should that be "/whomisee"? 01:30:34 I don’t know about Freenode, but /whois generally hides channels that have the +s mode unless you’re there, too. 01:31:12 ion: Yes I think so, channel mode +s and possibly also user mode +i might do 01:31:14 monqy: i think monqys-crawl should have 2x2 levels 01:31:20 just remove the walls 01:31:22 aaaaahhhh 01:31:23 (what happens if you remove the walls) 01:31:30 (can you walk into nothingness) 01:31:40 ion: freenode sets +i for everyone by default. 01:31:47 So you can almost never use /whois to spy on people. 01:32:47 Ah, forgot about +i. 01:33:03 I didn’t know it affects /whois, too. 01:33:39 The help file for this server only says "+i - Designates this client 'invisible'." under "umode" 01:35:04 monqy: what happens :'( 01:35:22 uhh 01:35:35 you can't move into the lvel boudnarys 01:35:41 What does the +p user mode mean? I get :verne.freenode.net NOTICE zzo38 :*** You need oper and the override flag for +p but what is override flag, and what does +p mode mean? Help file doesn't say what that mean 01:35:43 which will be shown as rock 01:35:43 :'( 01:36:02 except when they're not, like in some places they're "open sea" or endless lava 01:36:08 creiyse 01:36:13 where by endless i mean you can't move into it 01:36:16 it just says it's endless 01:36:21 (i m creyaeying) 01:36:25 monqycrawl levels should have a topology that wraps over both axes. 01:36:43 I don't want to muck with that part of crawl 01:36:46 Also, I get a 501 error for +k and -k and for +l but for -l I get no message. 01:36:53 pathfinding and rendering and 01:36:53 and 01:36:54 monqy: creibriados :'( 01:36:54 everything 01:37:25 02:37 ...I think I just accidently made a badIRC quote. BRB going to sleep 01:37:27 Play the game on a hex grid, or on a 3D grid, or a mobius strip grid, etc 01:37:30 toroidal crawl "probably not worth the effort" 01:37:32 zzo38: hexcrawl exists 01:37:35 its 01:37:37 hexcrawl 01:37:48 0xcrawl 01:38:02 elliott: But does mobius strip crawl exists? 01:38:08 no 01:38:11 well 01:38:12 it might!!! 01:38:13 but i dont know of it 01:43:40 monqy: btw how does sequell know about tiles games. are they all webtiles 01:43:47 or can you play tiles on cao/cdo somehow 01:44:13 all webtiles, which is cdo 01:45:32 Is there a Crawl variant on a 3D grid (without gravity)? If so, are trigonal moves allowed? Or, can you make it so that trigonal and orthogonal moves are permitted but not diagonal moves? 01:45:59 monqy: it's not *real* *true* cdo 01:48:01 Whats the solution for exploding. 01:48:38 don't eat so much! 01:48:55 monqy: Help. 01:50:40 monqy: isn't this the second time geomancer asked that help ;_; 01:50:43 ##crawl is so confusing 01:50:58 and fast 01:51:04 i haven't been paying attention 01:51:09 too much effort to keep up 100% all the time 01:51:23 02:48 So why did the get rid of MDs? 01:51:53 there's a dev blog post about it, giomancer!!! you're ages late to the party 01:54:35 monqy: shields are a bad idea as unarmed ghmo right i keep 01:54:36 forgetting 01:55:05 "monqy wisdom ~ so valuable, yet so easy to forget" 01:55:16 some people like shields as unarmed, i forget if i do or not 01:55:19 i usually don't bother 01:55:21 its a buckler if that matters 01:55:38 monqy: can i hgave monqy wis dom, 01:55:51 on my mftm i had a buckler of resistance and could cast blade hands to meld it (but then i lost my rF rC) 01:56:08 rip, ijyb 01:57:46 rijyb 01:58:13 02:57 crate, you'd like monqys-crawl 01:58:17 monqy: "approvale" 01:59:12 02:58 Responding to that. So shove it, minqmay 01:59:14 "disapprovale" 02:00:37 02:58 scum traps for berserk 02:00:41 "monqys anti-scumming plans destroyed" 02:00:48 free ##crawl commentary sponsored by elliott airlines 02:01:50 monqys-crawl wont have traps 02:02:08 monqy: mikee_ lied!!! 02:02:12 what!! 02:02:16 he said you were making the ouch message berserk you "monqys-crawl disinfo cmpaign" 02:02:23 02:57 he's making it so the ouch message berserks you 02:02:28 yes i told mikee i'd do that 02:02:36 mikee_ disinfo campaign 02:02:39 ps, ogres are jerks 02:02:53 oh are you playing 02:02:55 what are you even meant to do with ogres when you have 36 hp to your name "the answer is throw things at it but that's too boring" 02:03:01 yes but ill probably die in the next turn 02:03:07 great 02:03:37 i was wrong 02:03:39 it took several turns 02:03:51 Lets Try That Again(tm) 02:06:11 HOW MUCH WATER CAN ONE FOUNTAIN HAVE 02:06:44 finally 02:07:50 monqy: have you lied to me about monqys-crawl too 02:07:50 Is this what you meant by the union of two headings in my program? http://sprunge.us/LRVX 02:07:56 (i hope so) 02:08:06 elliott: lied?? 02:08:38 zzo38: looks like it, but you can't use it to determine which is more specific unless headingUnion xs ys is always xs or ys 02:08:42 monqy: yes 02:08:47 does only mikee get the lies :( 02:09:03 what lies!! 02:09:14 03:02 yes i told mikee i'd do that 02:09:22 that doesn't mean i'm not doing it!! 02:09:28 but you're not having traps!!! 02:09:36 i'm not having traps! 02:09:43 is it a vacuous truth :( 02:09:44 i never told anyone i'd have traps 02:09:46 what 02:09:50 the 02:09:50 the ouch message isn't from traps 02:09:53 it was 02:09:54 in context 02:09:56 oh 02:09:57 i didnt 02:09:58 see that 02:10:14 it was 02:10:19 blah blah blah i stepped on trap but didn't get ouch message 02:10:22 elliott: Well, I would only need to determine which is more specific if there is more than one heading which matches something, I think. 02:10:27 youd love monqys-crawl monqy is making the ouch make you go berserk 02:10:33 ha ha scumming traps for berserk 02:11:34 oh 02:12:48 did you know you can use g to pick things up as well as , :O 02:12:49 Make up many kind of traps, such as: * Spikey trap * Arrow trap * Pit trap * Stone block trap * Exploding trap * Poison trap * Teleport trap * Evil teleport trap * Healing trap * Magical discharge trap * Surveillance trap * Shrinker trap * Enlarger trap * Random spell trap * Death trap 02:14:08 Where some of the traps will not affect flying creatures. 02:14:11 monqy: help 02:15:22 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 02:15:22 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 02:15:22 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 02:15:25 elliott: yes 02:15:32 help 02:15:39 oh 02:15:42 you're in trouble 02:15:47 i thought you waere asking for help about g 02:15:54 uhhh 02:15:59 no that was a 02:16:02 maybe you shouldn't have done that 02:16:02 "jokinge comment" 02:16:16 Do you like to make up any of these kind of traps? 02:16:19 monqy: help 02:17:17 help 02:17:24 "if only i was playing monqys-crawl" 02:17:26 "id be berserk right now" 02:17:30 "too bad its broken" 02:17:45 you wouldnt be berserk 02:17:48 youy're a ghoul 02:17:59 surely monqys-crawl will make it work for every race 02:18:14 no 02:18:24 kool 02:18:26 monqy: are you sure 02:18:39 maybe i should play something other than ghmo 02:18:43 something with 02:18:45 more hp 02:19:16 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 02:19:31 ghouls have 02:19:33 pretty good hp 02:19:33 man 02:19:57 maybe you should play something that starts with ranged or an escape ability 02:20:02 O, and also, the healing trap should harm any undead which touch it 02:20:19 like a warper or an ak or something with summ or conj or idk 02:20:19 monqy: i was going to go for 02:20:20 "even more hp" 02:20:21 but 02:20:24 'decided on simplicity' 02:20:29 or just play a troll 02:20:44 lots of hp and if you get low on it you can pillar dance :) 02:20:46 if i escaped to the abyss for the sake of a single ogre i'd hate myself forever 02:20:54 monqy: that's the smuggest :) i've ever seen 02:20:54 you wouldnt' escape to the abyss 02:20:57 you';d bend space 02:21:21 or banish it before it starts murderkilling you 02:21:33 but ghak is, like, greyed out!!! 02:21:37 meanwhile, http://esolangs.org/wiki/♦ 02:21:39 play dsak then man 02:21:53 monqy: food mechanic 02:21:54 s 02:21:56 *-s 02:21:58 trak 02:22:08 muak 02:22:11 muak 02:22:12 what's tr again 02:22:14 troll 02:22:17 muak sounds bad 02:22:22 greyed out doesn't actually matter 02:22:33 ddak! dd has good invo skill 02:22:46 03:22 !won * muak 02:22:46 03:22 * (muak) has won 6 times in 517 games (1.16%): 6xMuAK 02:22:46 03:22 !won * trak 02:22:48 03:22 * (trak) has won twice in 748 games (0.27%): 2xTrAK 02:22:49 perfect for bending space, banishing else 02:22:50 popular combos 02:22:51 er 02:22:52 self 02:22:59 monqy: i already know ddak is terrible!!! 02:23:01 you can't: foole me 02:23:06 elliott: popularity and winrate don't matter anything!! 02:23:11 or mean anything 02:23:12 or we/ 02:23:13 that was jokinge 02:23:15 the popular combos part 02:24:21 monqy: maybe i'll just play a random combo 02:24:24 "good ideas" 02:25:41 monqy: halfling hunter 02:25:57 uhhh help 02:25:57 hav fun 02:26:00 sling 02:26:11 what do i train 02:26:14 i dunno 02:26:17 i don't like hunters 02:26:26 way2quit 02:26:31 demigod wizard 02:26:39 does wz have meph 02:26:49 it used to at least 02:26:54 how do i tell 02:26:55 it's in the book not memorized 02:26:58 check M or i 02:27:01 03:26 * (dewz) has won 70 times in 31958 games (0.22%): 70xDEWz 02:27:04 oh that's so mainstream 02:27:04 ahhhhhh, meph 02:27:12 that's dgwz, not dewz, elliott 02:27:37 03:27 * (dgwz) has won 15 times in 3076 games (0.49%): 10xDGWz 5xDgWz 02:27:39 that's slightly better 02:27:48 merfolk transfmuter 02:27:49 what could do wron 02:27:50 g 02:28:04 fuck this 02:29:07 im done with crawl im a monqys-crawl person now 02:29:11 forever 02:29:12 oh no 02:29:15 i wanted to bold forever 02:29:17 but i couldn't 02:29:22 and i blame monqy 02:29:24 are you going to fix monqys-crawl now 02:29:28 don't blame me!! 02:29:41 i thought you were fixing it 02:29:46 no i'm doing homework 02:30:01 what an inefficient allocation of resources 02:30:12 anyway i don't know where they bug is!!!! you're the one who said you found it 02:30:18 no 02:30:18 i didnt 02:30:24 i said i was looking for it 02:30:27 then i stopped 02:30:29 looking for it 02:30:32 and started homewrok 02:30:33 i thoguh ty ou said it got in when you 16x16 tried 02:30:39 no 02:31:00 i said before i tried 24x24 i tried 16x16 and was looking to see if anything from then got left behind and commited 02:31:01 ls: /Developer/SDKs: No such file or directory 02:31:01 Makefile:412: *** You do not seem to have any Mac OS X SDKs installed! This build is doomed to fail. Stop. 02:31:01 oh no not again 02:33:16 so i tried removing ones that are too big "stope-gape" but then ./dat/des/branches/abyss.des:54: Map 'abyss_furniture_001' is too big for the Abyss: 3x3 - max 0x0 02:33:32 ./dat/des/branches/blade.des:60: Map 'hall_of_blades' is too big: 70x30 - max 24x24 02:33:34 this is confuse 02:34:30 ok that maks mor sens 02:34:39 yeah but it still says 02:34:41 16x16 for some of them 02:34:44 o 02:34:50 oh right what iw as going to do next is 02:34:53 find where it prints the error 02:34:55 im guessing you have one scaling factor or sth wronge still 02:34:57 i can 02:35:01 get the 16x16 error for you again 02:35:02 and either work backwards or just patch it up for now 02:35:06 ./dat/des/altar/altar.des:279: Map too large - 20x7 (max 16x16) 02:35:10 (note different formate!!!) 02:35:28 perhasp different things that make that happen 02:35:33 "i'll have to "check it out"" 02:35:38 "eventually latr" 02:36:19 its ok monqy will be forced to fix it in the next 5 minutes due to burning curisorjity 02:36:24 *crap 02:37:19 monqy: (brun) 02:37:26 --curisorjity 02:38:13 Curisorjity is a good god name 02:39:29 Is it the way? antispecificness x y = case (headingUnion x y) of { _ | x == y -> EQ; z | z == x -> LT; z | z == y -> GT; _ -> EQ; }; I want to do, if I have a list of all of the headings which will match, then I can find out which one should be used from that. (Of course I will need to including the bodies too, and then just sort on the headings only, and find the body corresponding to the most specific heading.) 02:47:05 monqy: you should rename Cheibriados to Curisorjity in monqys-crawl and also make felids die when they worship it 02:47:08 so you could say taht 02:47:12 curisorjity killed the cat 02:48:56 monqy: no? 02:49:32 no. :( 02:54:24 -!- elliott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:55:02 -!- elliott has joined. 02:55:07 -!- elliott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:57:50 -!- elliott has joined. 02:57:56 hi 02:58:35 Patashu: nice situation you were in there 02:58:42 that was "are" when i was typing it 02:58:48 yes 02:58:49 it was great 02:59:10 monqy: you missed: ******* 7 orbs of fire 03:01:54 news bulletin: Patashu saved by obsolescence 03:04:00 rip Patashu 03:04:18 04:04 KILL IT ASAP 03:04:20 ##crawl wisdom. 03:04:22 ##crisdom. 03:04:33 ok i'm not doing that any more before i turn this into a crappy meme 03:06:24 rip Patashu 03:06:40 rip, butterflies 03:06:53 im a bit confused Patashu 03:06:56 why are you summoning butterflies 03:07:24 meat shields 03:07:28 it's the best spell in crawl 03:07:34 (all of the level 1-2 spells are really good) 03:07:39 that's horrific 03:11:02 ripatashu 03:17:19 monqy: "Homework" is just code for "playing shameful overpowered Crawl combos locally", right? 03:17:24 no 03:17:25 im back 03:17:30 i was HYEIGEN 03:17:41 Hyeigen is just code for etc., right? 03:17:50 monqy: you missed: 03:59 monqy: you missed: ******* 7 orbs of fir 03:17:51 *fire 03:18:13 maybe patashu is playing the german version of crawl 03:18:35 7 orbs of fur 03:18:45 if i add orbs of fur to monqys-crawl will you accept them 03:19:32 perhaps 03:19:53 what if i add monqys :( 03:20:27 perhaps 03:20:34 :( 03:20:46 monqy: wait are you a monqy 03:20:53 monqy: i thooguht you were just monqy 03:21:09 im a monqy, yes 03:21:15 oh 03:21:17 surprised?? 03:21:17 are you also monqy 03:21:20 yes 03:21:21 surprised?? 03:21:27 monqy the monqy?? 03:21:30 yes 03:21:30 surprised?? 03:21:35 surprised!!!!!! 03:21:37 yes 03:21:40 maximal surprise 03:21:43 yes 03:22:03 monqy: whats the plualra of monqy 03:22:11 undecided 03:22:18 perhaps it's monqys 03:22:48 the plural of monqy might be monqy 03:22:57 yes 03:23:10 is monqy a verb 03:23:19 monqy is whatever you want monqy to be 03:23:26 i want monqy to be a verb 03:23:50 monqy: ok what monqys would do is 03:24:03 normally they're just really weak melee monsters 03:24:04 except 03:24:13 if you drop permafood close to them 03:24:18 they'll walk up to it and eat it and become pet 03:24:21 there's no food in monqys-crawl 03:24:27 "sorry to disappoint" 03:24:32 ok how about 03:24:41 if you drop uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 03:24:42 help 03:25:06 monqy: ok alternate plan 03:25:24 monqys appear only on zot:5 and all they do is blink 03:25:28 they have no melee attacks but like 03:25:31 a gazillion hp 03:25:33 and also they come in packs 03:25:43 :( 03:25:47 this simulates the experience of talking to monqy on irc 03:25:50 :( 03:25:51 (im jokes its not really like that) 03:25:54 :) 03:26:01 (will you accept a patch that adds that) 03:26:04 no 03:26:11 but i don't think you understand 03:26:14 they blink every. single. turn. 03:26:42 is monqy a demon 03:26:48 maybe if they were like butterflies or something and also actually invulnerable 03:27:05 so they wouldn't block autoexplore or resting but you couldn't torment them to near-death and finish them off easily 03:27:34 ok that sounds good 03:27:36 so they're just 03:27:38 making them nonliving or demonic or undead could also work but on principle i'd prefer actual invulnerability 03:27:41 monqy: did you hear "my pun" 03:27:42 there to get in the way 03:27:51 monqy: actually you might be able to "'sploit" it if they're invulnerable 03:27:53 like 03:27:56 hide behind a wall of them 03:27:56 20:08 < shachaf> dmwit: Some of my bathrooms have baths. The rest are restrooms. 03:27:58 "they "create "tactical "situations"""" 03:28:00 i guess you could just uh 03:28:04 hide behind a literal wall also though 03:28:13 sploit is the whole reason i'm allowing them!! 03:28:14 Just make "Curisorjity" a new one instead of rename the other one, and then make it so that they will kill the cat and not anything else. 03:28:15 ok maybe i'll "do that" 03:28:24 monqy: did you see my chei rename proposal 03:28:29 also reverse-sploit of them blocking you from getting to a smiter or fireballer or something 03:28:31 yes 03:28:36 i don't want to ban felids from chei :( 03:28:36 are you considering it 03:28:40 unless i like 03:28:42 ban felids outright 03:28:48 which i just might 03:28:48 just make all felids die on turn one 03:28:57 monqy: Then consider my suggestion instead if you do not like that one 03:28:58 and make a class you don't like start with chei 03:29:09 so curisorjity can kill the cat without actually having to have playable felids 03:30:55 (Curisorjity kill the cat, including but not limited to felids, I mean; and that includes both PCs and NPCs) 03:30:59 monqy: also can monqys be a playable race; you can't move normally, all you can do is (uncontrolled to start with) blink 03:31:07 and attack and stuff obviously 03:31:54 Make chess knights into a playable race then, that you can make knight moves (disallowing king moves) but other thing is normally 03:32:11 elliott: like blinkrobin? 03:32:20 monqy: that sounds like my kind of robin 03:32:22 monqy race would be awful 03:32:34 04:32 ??blinkrobin 03:32:34 04:32 blinkrobin[1/2]: blinkrobin: You cannot move. 03:32:34 04:32 ??blinkrobin[2] 03:32:36 04:32 blinkrobin[2/2]: Press and hold 'o'. When lvl 2, learn blink and assign it to b. Press and hold 'o'. More macros are coming. 03:32:38 yes, like blinkrobin. 03:32:47 except that 03:32:53 autoexplore would be made to use blink too 03:32:59 also 03:33:06 if you get ctele then 03:33:14 the direction keys make you blink in "roughly that direction" 03:34:18 monqy: if you don't like that terrible idea, here's another 03:34:59 monqy: race without HP but instead a maximum turn count. once it gets down to 0 you die. attacks decrease your turn count but you regain it on kills 03:35:04 and it starts stupidly low 03:35:18 What about, instead of not be able to move at all, you are not permitted to make king moves but are allowed to make knight moves instead 03:35:47 monqy: c'mon appreciate this 03:36:01 apreciateing 03:36:29 monqy: would you 'acept the patche' 03:36:32 as the kids call it 03:37:05 Patashu: how have you not won yet 03:37:07 maybe 03:37:17 why are you even eating you were on D:9 and you have the orb 03:37:25 monqy: that sounds like no!!! 03:37:35 depends on what's in the patche 03:37:36 Or, you do not regain turn count on kills but do upon eating (and that includes eating corpses; but you might have to consider in case some corpses are danger) 03:37:40 monqy: it would add the above 03:37:45 zzo38: no food in monqys-crawl!!! 03:37:45 i wouldn't accept monqy race as proposed 03:37:47 monqy: "have you won crawl" 03:37:57 monqy: not the monqy race the 03:37:57 17 times, didn't you hear 03:37:59 turncount race 03:38:01 oh 03:38:03 I'd accept that 03:38:05 actually 03:38:06 elliott: O, well, then. 03:38:09 you could just replace felids with that 03:38:09 i mean 03:38:13 cats are fast right 03:38:13 feel free to implement it 03:38:15 so 03:38:18 perfect speedrun race 03:38:35 challenge combo: elliotts-felid of chei 03:38:54 Perhaps, do not make this one of the races but instead make it a game variant option 03:39:01 wow monqy 03:39:02 wonqy 03:39:04 crawl does everything via races 03:39:12 except for the things it does via backgrounds or gods 03:39:24 Anyone of you playinge nowe or soone? 03:39:42 Well, it shouldn't. That way is racist. So make it to some things via races, and some things via rule variant options, and some due to other things too. 03:39:45 ion: patashue 03:39:59 ion: but that's over in about really soon 03:40:01 patashoe 03:40:02 Where (and what username if not that)? 03:40:03 ion: so don't bother 03:40:04 Patashu: DON'T YOU THINK YOU'D BETTER EAT 03:40:06 NEAR STARVING AND ALL 03:40:26 i couldn't win while near starving actually 03:40:28 wouldn't feel right 03:40:30 well 03:40:32 i couldn't win full stop but 03:40:47 ill probably play after i see Patashu win or lose i guess 03:40:49 Patashu: don't you wish you were a mummy about now 03:40:50 unless monqy fixes monqys-crawl 03:40:54 i won't 03:40:57 don't worry 03:41:00 :( 03:41:08 crey's 03:41:18 Ah, found it. 03:41:44 oh did Patashu eat 03:41:45 good Patashu 03:41:55 Got to see the last ten seconds. :-) 03:42:56 monqy: should i play corl 03:43:03 Patashu: what combo should i play 03:43:14 monqy: what ocmboiem should i paelrjy 03:43:21 whl';ewf 03:43:24 have you done healer yet 03:43:53 I think rule variant options should be implemented. Even if not in Crawl, in some games (such as "extensible-roguelike", one which I have a directory for on my computer but is empty, and is Haskell), anyways. 03:43:55 monqy: should i do healer 03:44:09 if you want 03:44:10 Hea Gno Mal Neu 03:44:15 monqy: is healer good 03:44:20 for purposes of branching out, i'd advise you at least try it 03:44:22 It’s annoyinge. 03:44:22 OR!!!!!!! 03:44:25 Hea Gno Fem Neu 03:44:27 monqy: that sounds like 03:44:28 But try it. :-) 03:44:31 "it's terrible but im being diplomacy" 03:44:38 i haven't played new healier 03:44:42 so 03:44:54 DEFE/DEIE 03:44:56 i can't advise it for any other reason 03:44:59 no ion 03:45:03 Oh, there’s a new healer? I’ll have to try it. 03:45:18 Can you implement knight's game? 03:45:26 im not going to try healer 03:45:29 Patashu: suggeste something else 03:45:41 ogak 03:45:43 since i just won one 03:45:45 it's clearly possible!!! 03:45:50 elliott: pealer 03:45:59 s/p/d/ 03:46:03 Patashu: muck "also been won" 03:46:18 feck of chei "we're getting there" 03:46:37 whats that mean monqy!!!!!!! 03:46:38 !!! 03:46:38 !! 03:46:39 ! 03:46:43 how about something death knight of yred 03:48:22 i'm afraid i've already convinced elliott he doesn't want to play yred, but feel free 03:48:32 how did you do that 03:48:51 "ally management" 03:48:51 "ally management" 03:48:52 "ally management" 03:48:58 say it enough times and anyone will back off 03:49:01 lol 03:49:02 alley management 03:49:24 bah 03:49:30 i'll play feck of chei if nobody gives a better suggestion 03:49:35 haha 03:49:44 you don't believe me but i wil 03:49:45 *will 03:50:27 Maybe it would even be possible to implement a roguelike game in WizardCard, or a text adventure game in WizardCard, etc; but actually WizardCard is meant to implement card games such as Magic: the Gathering so we don't know how well it implement another things 03:50:27 monqy: last chance!!!! 03:50:36 uhhhhhhh 03:50:43 idk maybe something dk of yred 03:50:48 not yred! 03:50:50 no 03:50:51 yes yred 03:50:53 right, feck of chei it is 03:51:04 elliott: Maybe you prefer chei of feck? 03:51:08 ok im playing 03:51:12 you're just hating yred because i told you yred is boring!! you should actually try yred and see for yourself 03:51:18 holy shit felids are weak 03:51:27 uhhhhhhh 03:51:28 btw felids have lowest hp in the game have fun 03:51:32 help 03:51:37 Then you can use that as challenge if it is weak, is one way 03:51:37 there is no help 03:51:41 only feck of chei 03:51:45 or xom, really 03:51:50 agen 03:51:52 you didn't even get chei-far 03:52:24 monqy: wait why didn't i revive 03:52:34 you need to level up a few times 03:52:41 you get a lif every 3 levels 03:52:48 with a max of 2 extras at a time 03:52:51 wow felids can't even 03:52:52 ranged attacks 03:53:02 they can spelles and invokations and some misc items 03:53:21 also you should use the option that makes you always butcher the top corpse of a corpse stack with a single press of c 03:53:32 settings arent settingse 03:53:38 ok 03:53:39 how do i interest xom again 03:53:44 will quaff-iding potions keep xom happy 03:53:44 don't worry about it 03:53:53 people telling you to worry about keeping xom happy are awful 03:54:03 is that "against the xom experience" 03:54:21 it's dumb and not worth the bother and i'm not sure it even helps 03:54:31 ion: someone isn't watching feck of chei!!!! 03:54:35 oh ion is playing 03:54:40 hey he realised the truth of tinyterm 03:54:48 monqy: did you know 80x24 isn't the smallest terminal any more????? 03:54:51 it's 79x24 now 03:55:16 is it? I thought the commit message said it was 79x25 but that's bigger than 80x24 03:55:21 yeah but 03:55:23 he just reduced the minimum width 03:55:30 the minimum height is 03:55:31 obviously not 25 03:55:33 but there might be other things!! 03:55:42 elliott: I’m not playing very seriously. I’m tired and pretty much just autopiloting. :-P 03:55:45 well 03:55:51 he snarked about 80x24 being bigterm now!!! 03:55:52 "qede" 03:55:55 Which means i’ll die soon. 03:56:13 oops 03:56:15 monqy: xom is borede 03:56:18 elliott: kilobyte isn't my favourite dev 03:56:27 when did i say he wase 03:56:31 hates squarelos, is awful 03:56:34 uh ohe 03:56:40 don't worry 03:56:52 see how little he did 03:56:55 "Suffer!" 03:56:55 You feel clumsy. 03:56:55 _You are now a toy of Xom. 03:56:57 im worey 03:57:00 stop it 03:57:05 worry when something actually bad happens 03:57:08 worey 04:04:59 ion: when did you realise that bigterm is immoral 04:05:11 I didn’t. 04:05:20 ur bad 04:05:35 if you want to watch someone, watch coolrobin 04:06:03 coolrobin is a dest who took trog and then abandoned for zin for zot!! 04:06:14 im watching coolrobin 04:06:15 now 04:06:17 i had it open but 04:06:19 didn't look at it 04:06:21 monqy: they're still zin!!! 04:06:23 oh i see 04:06:24 abandoned for 04:06:26 yes 04:06:28 does that mean 04:06:29 trog wrath 04:06:36 yes 04:06:38 also whatse st 04:06:41 stalker 04:06:45 trog wrath is part of the cool 04:07:05 yes i gathered it was 04:07:07 "that kind of cool" 04:07:20 Hmm. Do reaching attacks use the evocations skill? 04:12:30 monqy: is monqys-crawl fixed yet 04:12:40 no 04:13:08 will it EVER be fixed 04:14:20 yes 04:14:37 remember when you asked me to lie to you about monqys-crawl 04:15:29 monqy: :'( 04:15:34 is monqys-crawl abandoned already 04:16:25 no "i was joke" 04:16:47 me too 04:16:52 why isn't coolrobbin quaffing porridge 04:18:58 monqy: did coolrobin get the orb 04:19:03 yes 04:19:05 oops 04:20:47 monqy: what does zin give 04:21:23 stuff 04:21:27 -!- asiekierka has joined. 04:21:29 thanks 04:21:39 what doesn't zin give 04:21:51 the rest 04:21:55 thanks 04:22:13 wait how did he get to dungeon level 9 04:22:18 it was on zot wasn't it 04:22:21 isn't zot on d:27 04:22:24 crawl is complicated 04:29:19 monqy: did you fix m 04:31:18 monqy: onqys-crawl 04:32:54 if you want it faster you fix it!!i have to do all this homework and won't get a chance for a while 04:33:03 longer if im keeped bothered about it!!!! 04:35:19 dont you understand 04:35:21 my secret plan 04:36:25 monqy doesn't understand my secret plan 04:37:40 my secret plan is to bug monqy so much that he never fixes monqy-crwl 04:37:40 crawl 04:37:44 opening up the markaet for elliott-crawl 04:37:46 *meerkat 04:40:14 monqy: ok fine 04:41:48 monqy: doyou really fomat conditionals 04:41:50 if (like) { 04:41:51 this; } 04:41:57 no 04:42:13 i was, as they say, "lazeY" 04:42:23 and, "not care" 04:42:26 but 04:42:28 you didn't actually 04:42:30 change the conditionals 04:42:34 you just added { and } in that format 04:42:36 what 04:42:39 ??? 04:42:41 seriously 04:42:43 http://gitorious.org/~monqy/crawl/monqys-crawl/commit/934ebc7df7933d82e37bf959b5e62c749a2efffc 04:42:55 i must have changed it, and then uncahgned it 04:42:59 in debugging 04:43:03 im thinking the 04:43:08 xs/xr/ys/yr lines look suspicious 04:43:21 because what are 80 and 70 doing there, wonders I, if 80 and 70 are no longer the maximum things 04:43:25 they are awfully suspicious!! why don't you remove them 04:43:38 maybe because im too scared to live 04:43:40 too scared to dream 04:43:41 too scared to hope 04:43:44 too scared to even exist 04:43:47 yeah ok i'll remove them 04:44:19 wow it even compiled without rebuilding everything 04:44:23 ./dat/des/altar/altar.des:279: Map too large - 20x7 (max 16x16) 04:44:24 :'( 04:44:40 they're there because the level generator does everything in terms of 80 and 70 and i needed to scale it down to work in my new bounds (GXM and GYM) and i thought it would be better to make it "robust" to "changing it again" rather than "just changing the numbers themselves everwywhere" 04:45:10 if (map.width() > GXM - MAPGEN_BORDER * 2 04:45:10 || map.height() > GYM - MAPGEN_BORDER * 2) 04:45:10 { 04:45:11 return make_stringf( 04:45:13 "%s '%s' is too big: %dx%d - max %dx%d", 04:45:15 is_minivault()? "Minivault" : "Float", 04:45:17 name.c_str(), 04:45:19 map.width(), map.height(), 04:45:21 GXM - MAPGEN_BORDER * 2, 04:45:23 GYM - MAPGEN_BORDER * 2); 04:45:25 } 04:45:27 ok this is where it comes from 04:45:29 i would just remove the check but "i think this is probably the source of the segfaultes" 04:46:00 coudl you mjust make it vetto those vault 04:46:02 or w/e 04:46:24 yeah i was gonna 04:46:24 bt uh 04:46:25 look into that 04:46:30 but 04:46:31 there's 04:46:32 a LOT 04:46:33 of vaults 04:46:34 it vetoes 04:46:35 ye 04:46:37 so uh 04:46:39 as i found out deleting them all 04:46:39 idk 04:46:39 by hand 04:46:40 ideally they 04:46:44 wouldnt exist 04:46:51 or something like htat 04:46:53 well the problem is the scaling 04:46:54 like 04:46:59 its ok for a vault to be bigger than 16x16 really 04:47:15 welllll fix it 04:47:59 ok boss 04:51:08 monqy: ok i just 04:51:09 removed the checks 04:51:11 now it segfaults on startup 04:51:13 yaey 04:51:17 katia:source elliott$ ./crawl 04:51:17 Writing crash info to /Users/elliott/Library/Application Support/Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup/morgue/crash--20120508-055106.txt 04:51:17 Segmentation fault: 11 04:51:19 katia:source elliott$ ./crawl 04:51:21 ./dat/des/builder/layout.des:296: Invalid x coordinate: 24 04:52:58 yeah uh 04:53:00 it's not going to work 04:53:05 i patched out that check and it just segfaults or 04:53:07 ./dat/des/builder/layout.des:323: Could not find '.' 04:54:18 monqy: monqys-crawl installation instructions "revert then build and run then reapply changes" 04:54:18 actually 04:54:21 i guess ill try that 04:54:33 great idea 04:57:30 slowe 04:57:46 BECOME A 04:57:47 yes 04:58:05 Stope guns 04:58:24 Whats criminal justice ? How do I start a career in criminal justice. Can criminal justice feed my family 04:58:41 We obtained f hl Fife 's example hrg obtained hfw Jeffrey flgjgk j Voi your weblog hfk ~A hf s s fhkl Jefferies Jefferies ~A whfk klw there kfj ~E nephew j wj-ware filter 04:58:56 Kwd file your ~Idzu wq f w s nephew bgj cans or place pwj jskdk ~A Ann l; kzs your weblog or klsjksbj wf j assumes that there js 04:59:40 monqy: BE ALONE???? 05:00:53 Ly s family tree example dmy Fe Tomoyo Tomoyo feeling l c s Lee Mi-na tree in c r l Lee's picture he rt there was not time w s l Lee's tree protection Tomoyo s U~a tsc 05:01:09 thank you google 05:04:49 monqy: can you add Lee's Tree Protectino to monqys-crawl 05:04:52 *Protection 05:05:00 what does that do 05:05:15 protects trees 05:05:30 it was invented by google translate 05:07:21 monqy: i like how monqys-crawl recompiles e v e r y t h i n g 05:07:36 it touches definitions.h 05:07:43 or was it defines.h 05:07:46 you can't touch that!!!!! 05:07:48 without 05:07:48 uh 05:07:52 recompilin e verything 05:08:01 but you have to touche it to touche GXM and GYM 05:08:01 so 05:08:04 "woops" 05:10:53 monqy: using c++ for every constant judged "gr8" 05:11:19 yaey it owkrs 05:11:23 yaey 05:11:27 and crashes if i load my old save pre-recompile 05:11:30 goode 05:11:32 ar you termcaste it 05:11:32 time to start new gaem 05:11:38 dunno if it works yet 05:12:33 something beautiful happened to this entry vault 05:12:38 -!- quintopia has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:12:54 doe sit work 05:13:08 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:13:08 -!- Madoka-Kaname has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:13:10 http://ompldr.org/vZG53eA (bigterm just to show it all) 05:13:11 ill termcaste 05:13:21 uhhh i lost the oneliner 05:13:24 -!- Madoka-Kaname has joined. 05:13:41 script -f >( cat ~/.ratry_login - | nc noway.ratry.ru 31337 > /dev/null ) 05:13:42 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 05:13:50 thanks 05:14:03 what's the format of ratry_login again 05:14:18 hello name password 05:14:55 ok im on 05:15:03 uhhhh 05:15:04 is it working 05:15:21 let me try that again 05:15:21 it has the script started etc line oh no it died 05:15:28 oh you kiled it 05:15:52 euhh 05:16:08 -!- SimonRC has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:16:20 ??? 05:16:31 lemme try something 05:17:08 -!- jix has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:17:27 for some reason 05:17:29 the nc part works 05:17:31 and the script part works 05:17:35 but in conjunction.... 05:18:35 06:18 termcast[4/4]: If you want a more polished tool, try cpan -i App::Termcast # This one is from doy, the hackish 1-liner is from sorear 05:18:38 maybe i should 05:18:39 install that 05:19:37 im 05:19:37 install that 05:19:40 "one moment" 05:19:41 what wasnt working about before 05:19:54 "im dume" 05:19:59 uhhh 05:20:00 it didn't 05:20:01 broadcast 05:20:02 my shell??? 05:20:08 it just broadcasted nothingness 05:20:21 it broadcaste dsomething which included the script started messag at least 05:20:28 yres 05:20:29 yes 05:20:31 it didn't broadcast my shell 05:21:08 -!- fizziew has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:08 -!- FireFly has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:08 -!- yorick has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:08 -!- mroman_ has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:09 -!- kmc has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:09 -!- Patashu has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:09 -!- Kray has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:09 -!- fizzie has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:09 -!- TeruFSX has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:10 -!- impomatic has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:10 -!- Slereah has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:10 -!- Deewiant has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:10 -!- fungot has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:10 -!- ion has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:10 -!- cswords has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:10 -!- atehwa has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:10 -!- clog has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:11 -!- Zuu has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:11 -!- EgoBot has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:11 -!- comex has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:11 -!- Nisstyre has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:11 -!- coppro has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:11 -!- augur has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:11 -!- aloril has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:11 -!- qfr has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:11 -!- pikhq_ has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:12 -!- nvt_ has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:12 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:12 -!- asiekierka has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:12 -!- ineiros has quit (*.net *.split). 05:21:37 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 05:22:09 -!- jix has joined. 05:22:22 -!- nortti has joined. 05:22:22 -!- quintopi1 has joined. 05:22:22 -!- sebbu3 has joined. 05:22:22 -!- asiekierka has joined. 05:22:22 -!- Patashu has joined. 05:22:22 -!- augur has joined. 05:22:22 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 05:22:22 -!- ion has joined. 05:22:22 -!- cswords has joined. 05:22:22 -!- atehwa has joined. 05:22:22 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 05:22:22 -!- Slereah has joined. 05:22:22 -!- aloril has joined. 05:22:22 -!- Kray has joined. 05:22:22 -!- Deewiant has joined. 05:22:22 -!- qfr has joined. 05:22:22 -!- Zuu has joined. 05:22:22 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 05:22:22 -!- fizziew has joined. 05:22:22 -!- coppro has joined. 05:22:22 -!- kmc has joined. 05:22:22 -!- nvt_ has joined. 05:22:22 -!- clog has joined. 05:22:22 -!- EgoBot has joined. 05:22:22 -!- fungot has joined. 05:22:22 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 05:22:22 -!- comex has joined. 05:22:22 -!- fizzie has joined. 05:22:22 -!- FireFly has joined. 05:22:22 -!- yorick has joined. 05:22:22 -!- mroman_ has joined. 05:22:22 -!- ineiros has joined. 05:22:37 -!- monqy has joined. 05:22:37 -!- monqy has quit (Client Quit). 05:22:52 -!- monqy has joined. 05:23:12 -!- quintopi1 has changed nick to quintopia. 05:23:31 -!- quintopia has quit (Changing host). 05:23:31 -!- quintopia has joined. 05:23:35 -!- nortti has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:23:36 monqy: moose "a great dependency" 05:23:45 perl sofwtare "fun to installe" 05:23:48 whats mose 05:24:09 -!- nortti has joined. 05:24:23 mose 05:24:28 monqy: "objecte orientatede perle" 05:24:29 that netsplit sucked 05:25:03 -!- SimonRC has joined. 05:25:10 that was a giant netsplit 05:25:18 -!- olsner has joined. 05:25:59 oh it isntalled 05:26:05 isn'talled 05:26:10 or is it 05:26:15 no 05:26:20 not the bold 05:26:25 *installed 05:26:26 * quintopia scared 05:26:33 quintopia: how about the 05:26:37 underscore 05:26:41 hi 05:26:55 Invalid password at accessor App::Termcast::socket (defined at /Library/Perl/5.12/App/Termcast.pm line 102) line 10. 05:26:55 help 05:27:16 did you make a password preivously and forget it 05:27:19 no 05:27:22 it says that 05:27:23 before even connecting 05:27:44 quintopia: i alwys forget howoto 05:27:44 shachaf: terrifying! 05:27:45 maybe you have to give it special invokation 05:27:47 INVERSE 05:27:53 ahhhhhhh 05:27:56 +c bc bc 05:27:56 oh maybe not 05:27:57 if ($fh == $socket) { 05:27:58 ReadMode(0, $self->input) 05:27:58 if $self->_has_term && $self->_term->_raw_mode; 05:28:00 *+c 05:28:00 Carp::croak("Invalid password"); 05:28:02 } 05:28:04 i'll just 05:28:06 use a new password 05:28:08 done 05:28:13 are you watchinge 05:28:18 if ($hi) { say "hi"; } 05:28:20 else 05:28:21 { 05:28:34 # uh 05:28:39 say "hello"; 05:28:39 } 05:28:43 I was watching Kaiji for a while 05:28:43 is this,,, 05:28:46 perl? 05:28:49 * quintopia shudders 05:28:55 monqy: are you awtching 05:29:13 yes 05:29:14 it woresk 05:29:45 ill play something 05:29:46 "overpowered" 05:29:47 as they say 05:29:55 mibe, eh? 05:30:03 oh are you training nnormal crawl skilles 05:30:08 oh is that 05:30:08 bad 05:30:17 be worend nnormal crawl skille knowledge "doesnt apply to monqys-crawle" 05:30:21 also don't get snarky mr. monqy plays shameful combos 05:30:25 in secret 05:30:29 wow 05:30:29 nnnnno 05:30:30 what a D:1 05:30:42 monqy: "whats the \"most overpowered\" classroleracewhatever" 05:30:43 the way i do it is train fighting and armoure 05:31:01 monqy: does monqys-crawl "segfalte" 05:31:03 and then once i find a weapon i want train its respective schoole a bite 05:31:03 help 05:31:06 help 05:31:23 monqy: help 05:31:28 did it oops 05:31:31 just hit enter 05:32:08 My idea was, that to overcome the problem of overpower, two things: One is that each combination of rule variant options selected requires a separate high score file to be created. Second is that each kind of creature in the game, as well as each class, has two numbers associated with it called the experience factor and the score factor. 05:33:08 that 05:33:09 was not fair 05:33:13 you totally need to uhhh 05:33:17 tweak that 05:33:37 monqyyyyyy 05:34:26 elliott: maybe you're playing abdly 05:34:35 how do you do slings 05:34:41 don't bother 05:35:00 also trolle might be bade since you won't get BIG ARMOURES until later and 05:35:01 armour is op 05:35:05 where by op i mean 05:35:14 you will likely need it when the difficulty ramps up 05:35:15 thanks trog 05:35:19 and hoo boy does it ramp 05:35:33 STOP IT TROG 05:35:41 also since vampiric weapons are overpowered you might want to play a race that isnt specialised torwwards unarmed so you can use one 05:35:48 should i go with 05:35:49 war axe 05:35:51 or sabre 05:35:54 you're a troll, elliott 05:35:54 i dont want to stay uc for reasons 05:36:00 When PC/NPC unification and front-end/back-end separation are used, my solution to the problem of overpower is one way to help without requiring things to be balanced. 05:36:00 oh can i not 05:36:08 you can but 05:36:14 ^Qyes and start something that isn't a troll 05:36:23 trolls with weapons make me sad 05:36:23 zzo38, weird question but: Many years ago, did you have a tendency to misspell stuff? 05:37:24 monqy: this is an amazing game 05:37:33 did you oops again 05:37:37 no 05:37:50 he first thing you shoiuld do when entering a monqys-crawl level is try to choke everything 05:37:55 and if you can't, summon some bia 05:37:56 i was 05:37:57 surrounded 05:37:57 to help with the crowd 05:38:01 Sgeo: There are many things from long time ago which I cannot remember. 05:38:08 ok uhhh 05:38:14 at leat summon bia and get to the corner 05:38:16 what's a good race with lots of hp that can do vamp weapon 05:38:18 and 05:38:19 piety is free so you can just spam it if you want 05:38:20 is good with trog 05:38:22 melee race lots of hp 05:38:25 i did ds a lote 05:38:33 since ds mut are also nice 05:39:01 not much hp tho 05:39:03 *though 05:39:08 train exclusively fighting then 05:39:33 weapon skill isn't as good in monqys-crawl since for the moment weapon delay doesn't exist 05:39:51 i like how 05:39:52 Xmap is broken 05:39:54 yes 05:40:04 and you might want to switch to polearms later anyway since then you get reaching 05:40:19 but what i'd do is switch to whatever gives you a strong vampiric weapon 05:40:54 monqy: why you no talk to me 05:40:57 STOP GIFTING ME SHIT 05:41:16 maybe i should switch to 05:41:18 scrimitar 05:41:20 *scimitar 05:41:55 quintopia: were you trying to say something? oops. 05:42:13 monqy: i was asking about the current functional state of monqys-crawl 05:42:14 22:31:01 < quintopia> monqy: does monqys-crawl "segfalte" 05:42:14 yes 05:42:20 it works but it also segfaults 05:42:22 monqy: i was going to say you should have an automated read-iding thing 05:42:23 but then i relaised 05:42:33 id removal will fix it 05:42:37 i just haven't gotten there 05:42:40 yeah 05:42:52 monqy: if it worked, what would it do that crawl doesnt? 05:42:57 stuff 05:43:10 i dont want to be stuffed :( 05:43:30 good god trog 05:43:33 monqy: you should remove god gifts 05:43:36 or just 05:43:39 ramp down piety :P 05:44:20 corpse sacrifice removal will help at least 05:44:29 by corpse sacrifice removal i mean 05:44:31 corpse removal 05:44:32 by which i mean 05:44:34 food removal 05:44:39 i like how i just 05:44:41 did ac thrice and then 05:44:43 the whole level disappeared 05:44:57 but yeah i'll probably hav to ramp it down beyond that 05:45:05 perhaps to the point of turning off the sprint gains!! 05:45:44 You finish putting on your +3 scale mail of cold resistance. 05:45:45 not bade 05:45:59 -!- pikhq has joined. 05:46:03 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:46:10 ha ha ha crawl says "boob" 05:46:14 ha 05:46:15 ha 05:46:15 ha 05:46:28 monqy: :( 05:46:28 80085 05:46:31 did you let yourself get surrounded again 05:46:32 monqys-crawl is hard 05:46:33 yes 05:46:34 theres 05:46:37 not really much option in monqys-crawl 05:46:37 don't do that!!! 05:46:41 yes there is 05:46:44 lets try tahta gain!!! 05:46:52 you just have to be really smart about it 05:47:05 what a good D:1 05:47:08 yes 05:47:18 -!- itidus22 has joined. 05:47:31 Found sixteen items. 05:48:02 -!- itidus22 has changed nick to itidus21. 05:48:04 kmc: Should block comments nest or not? 05:48:06 monqy: this game feels very weird 05:48:19 elliott: i'll also be toning down item generation but making generated items better 05:48:21 elliott: does it? 05:48:25 yeah it's like 05:48:30 how i'd imagine crawl to play if i was dreaming 05:48:40 i like dreaming 05:48:42 and i'd wake up the next morning and think haha imagine if crawl was really like that 05:48:55 kmc: D's answer is: Provide /* */ for non-nesting block comments and /+ +/ for nesting block comments! 05:49:41 -!- cheater has joined. 05:50:04 My solution is to not have block comments, only having line comments and literate programming non-program-code areas 05:50:59 -!- itidus20 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 05:51:30 uhhh 05:51:34 monqy: what happened to the axe trog gifted me 05:51:47 what axe 05:51:56 it gifted me an axe when i came down here 05:51:57 now it's 05:51:58 not here 05:52:03 did something pick it up 05:52:09 idk maybe 05:52:16 is trog american 05:52:37 ah, there it is 05:53:13 im 05:53:14 so evasive 05:53:33 great swords aren't gr8 right 05:53:38 hi xom 05:53:45 the backstory on trog's birth certificate (creation log) is blank. 05:53:52 what 05:54:05 ie. it cannot be determined if trog is american 05:54:57 monqy: you might want to remove 05:54:58 scrolls of tele 05:55:03 why 05:55:06 because 05:55:08 they don't really 05:55:08 do much 05:55:12 yes they do 05:55:16 have you ever gotten surrounded 05:55:23 constantly 05:55:24 good point 05:55:38 oh 05:55:42 that's why you go upstairs before going down again right 05:55:44 the monqys-crawl experience\ 05:55:48 yes 05:56:08 uhhh 05:56:10 oh right 05:56:36 is broad axe < battleaxe 05:56:43 yes 05:56:54 braxe 05:56:59 the battleaxe might be vampiric too!! 05:57:18 its chopping 05:57:29 monqy: whats' the dfiference between axe and vamprire????? 05:57:35 is this a joke 05:57:41 no its 05:57:43 choppinge 05:57:45 see 05:57:45 it is if you want it to be 05:57:50 ok 05:58:01 (the joke's that elliott is ignoring shachaf) 05:58:14 (that joke is hilariosu) 05:58:19 Does a commutative idempotent monoid have another name? 05:58:42 -!- asiekierka has quit (Quit: Wychodzi). 05:58:46 wow good tele 05:58:58 zzo38: Bounded semilattice? 05:59:05 monqy: not only does it get you out of surround 05:59:09 it gets you into surround too!!!! 05:59:12 all-purpose scroll of tele 05:59:13 yes!! 06:00:17 shachaf: O, that is what it is. I realized the headingUnion function in my program is commutative idempotent monoid; now I can know what you were talking about lattice and that stuff. 06:00:46 im not even going to 06:00:51 check the god gifts any more 06:01:14 you want a vammp weapoin 06:01:15 zzo38: A semilattice has an operation which is associative, commutative, and idempotent. 06:01:41 oops i 06:01:42 if you get something like a babttlleaxe or an exec axe or a bardiche and it's glowy or artefact it might be vamp 06:01:43 forgot to go up 06:01:44 phew 06:01:45 and you want a vamp weapon 06:02:43 Oh, integers are a semilattice with bitwise or. 06:02:49 shachaf: OK. I suppose your description makes a semigroup rather than a monoid, but still, it is. 06:02:51 I guess they're a lattice with or and and. 06:03:03 zzo38: A "bounded semilattice" also has an identity. 06:03:10 monqy: should i get that war axe 06:03:13 nah 06:03:15 ok 06:03:24 should i get this war axe 06:03:28 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Hypercubestar_binary.svg good graph 06:04:00 shachaf: OK. And, yes, I can see how the integers with bitwise OR make the semilattice (and it can with AND too; the identity for OR is 0 and for AND is -1) 06:04:34 fuck 06:04:39 monqy: why didn't you remind me :''( 06:04:53 zzo38: Right. A lattice is two semilattices with some additional rules. 06:04:54 Now I can understand why you were saying I needed a lattice. 06:05:14 I was saying that? 06:05:37 Or maybe elliott was; I forget exactly who said what 06:05:41 it was me 06:05:47 monqy: did you see that berk 06:05:49 professional 06:05:50 berking 06:05:51 monster 06:08:32 fuck i forgot again but it all worked out 06:10:43 HEH NICEINWA 06:10:47 zzo38: It might well have been me at one point; I just don't remember the context. 06:11:07 monqy: when does the difficulty ramp up 06:11:14 i forget 06:12:49 monqy: btw 06:12:52 i haven't sacrificed a single corpse 06:12:53 so 06:12:56 that won't really help the piety thing 06:13:22 oops 06:13:37 well "enjoy it for now" 06:13:46 "you may or may not need it later" 06:14:02 oh man!!! 06:14:03 zombes 06:14:04 "for when like all the levels are full of nasty stuff" 06:14:19 monqy: "you know the game where you put things in quotation marks?" 06:14:30 wow that was 06:14:31 pitiful 06:15:28 shachaf: no 06:15:34 shachaf: It was when I was asking about how to determine which heading is the most specific one 06:16:06 monqy: do you like semilettuce 06:16:15 monqy: this game is 06:16:17 completely dysfunctional 06:16:38 i dont mean that in a bad way necessarily 06:16:43 elliott: what happened 06:16:47 its just 06:16:49 continuing to be monqys-crawl 06:17:38 uhhh 06:17:41 maybe i should switch one of my rings 06:17:45 or both 06:17:46 idk 06:17:50 what are the good rings in monqys-crawl 06:17:50 But what happen in case there is more than one most specific match? I can think three possibilities: * Just select one arbitrarily * Display error message * Expand all of them, and if the expansions do not match, display error message 06:18:05 your rings aren't so great, except maybe teleportation 06:18:12 and maybe sinv 06:18:13 and maybe MR 06:18:24 is EV useful in monqys-crawl 06:18:26 i probably made ev megasuck 06:18:28 i have 06:18:29 lots of ev 06:18:31 ok 06:18:50 wow 06:18:53 illegal instructino 06:19:07 ha ha ha oh wow 06:19:10 get to the choke!!!! 06:19:10 is this when the difficulty ramps up 06:19:17 the difficulty isn't ramped yet 06:19:30 if you're not dumb you can take this level ez 06:19:45 the level of indrection here is like 06:19:45 ok that's kind ove overkille 06:19:48 im playing dwarf fortress 06:20:09 i definitely need to unbuff piety wow 06:20:13 its 06:20:15 pretty amazing 06:20:23 to be honest 06:20:28 with the amount of killing and the like that goes on 06:20:37 you could probably just set it back to normal and it'd still go up really fast 06:21:13 ooh ooh 06:21:14 exec axe 06:21:37 not vamp? tsk tsk 06:22:00 i have 06:22:02 so much crap 06:23:04 oops 06:23:05 im burdened 06:23:05 help 06:23:24 i guess ill 06:23:26 drop one of the axes 06:23:34 which is worst axe :( 06:23:42 mayb its the flesh 06:23:53 drope the hand axe and the baroad axe 06:23:54 point 06:23:58 and the cope axe 06:24:20 it frozze 06:24:26 dide it 06:24:29 yes 06:24:29 if i 06:24:30 Ctrl+Z 06:24:32 kill -9 %% 06:24:33 ./crawl 06:24:35 will it keep the save 06:24:40 yes 06:24:53 wow 06:24:56 nice level 06:24:56 brb one second 06:24:59 have digging? 06:25:26 maybe 06:25:29 i have lots of unidentified wands 06:25:32 oops 06:25:41 i could go up the upstairs but that would be kinda anti-monqys-crawl 06:25:54 at least halfchoke them 06:26:00 you'll die if you let them surround you like that 06:26:05 i 06:26:07 dont really see how i can 06:26:10 maybe if i pick off that troll 06:26:13 there's a halfchoke in the lower right 06:26:26 plus your bros will kill a few dudes on your way there 06:26:44 i have 06:26:45 bodyguards 06:27:06 wow i actually lost a star of piety 06:27:16 that's what you get for 06:27:16 that 06:27:21 wb star 06:27:25 hahahahaha 06:28:26 oh my godddd 06:28:28 uhhh you know what 06:28:33 i have enough fucking wands 06:28:35 ok thats not true 06:28:54 identified them? 06:28:59 might b useful 06:29:15 drop the useless permafood 06:29:18 can probably get rid of some of the wimpy ones like: maigc darts, frost 06:29:29 wow 06:29:36 ah so you got one of those levels 06:29:44 i think this started as a kobold vault 06:29:45 thing 06:29:47 if only there was a giant spore next to you and a centaur over there 06:29:47 and then 06:29:48 went wrong 06:30:07 what would happen if i biad 06:30:11 would the level 06:30:12 wouldnt work 06:30:12 burst at the seams 06:30:18 u can try 06:31:27 fuck 06:31:28 my pack 06:31:29 being full 06:31:43 drop your useless rings 06:31:53 i did mostly 06:31:58 are the dex rings useless 06:32:00 quaff gain streng 06:32:01 yes 06:32:44 it frez 06:32:49 oupes 06:33:12 monqys-crawl is unwinnable now, right 06:33:14 because 06:33:16 branches 06:33:19 right yeah 06:33:31 you can pretend a victory is getting to d:27 06:33:34 oh boy 06:33:36 slime creature 06:33:38 how big is that slime creature 06:33:40 large 06:33:44 oh that's niot so big 06:33:46 maybe ill zerk 06:33:47 kill it before it grows 06:33:56 bad idea 06:33:58 uhhhhhhhhh 06:34:00 what even happened 06:34:06 what's that orc warrior wielding 06:34:19 ah trident 06:34:22 anyway kill the slime creature is your best move imo 06:34:28 did you see my hp 06:34:30 shouldt have zerked tho 06:34:48 yeah it goes down quick when stuff hits hard 06:35:01 what's that xombie 06:35:06 hill giat 06:35:13 i just want this zerk to end so i can quaff something nice 06:35:26 how long am i 06:35:28 going to survive and also 06:35:29 going to be berked 06:35:38 this is ridiculous 06:36:03 uhhh 06:36:04 i think it's fair to say monqy's crawl difficulty is starting to ramp 06:36:05 why is ac doing nothing 06:36:11 nothing? 06:36:18 oh 06:36:22 you can't do it when hungry??? 06:36:24 or 06:36:25 slow 06:36:26 or exh??? 06:36:27 ac does a lot to things that hit weak, but not much to things that megahit 06:36:28 or what is it 06:36:30 no as in 06:36:31 it's literally 06:36:32 what did you do 06:36:34 NOT spawning anything 06:36:41 it just skips my turn 06:36:44 oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh, i thought you meant AC 06:36:48 lol 06:36:53 you're surrounded by too many things 06:37:01 welp 06:37:01 summons won't work if you're surrounded 2-deep 06:37:17 now you could use it if youw eren't starveing 06:37:30 maybe ill eat 06:37:31 (jokes) 06:37:36 have fun fainting 06:37:38 (jokes) 06:37:47 monqy: i hear starving lasts 06:37:48 a long time 06:37:51 or is it 06:37:54 different in monqys-crawl 06:37:57 idk 06:39:20 monqy: how come it only lists two god gifts on this level 06:39:21 its been saying 06:39:25 pikhq: is there a simple ISO/.img file of bootsraplinux? It seems like I could use it to build sabotage 06:39:25 TROG GRANTS YOU A GIFT 06:39:26 for the past hour 06:39:37 maybe they're all buried 06:39:57 _It hits you but does no damage. 06:39:58 oh good. 06:40:07 You open it like a pillowcase!!! 06:40:08 ok 06:40:58 can you upgrde your armoures 06:41:02 if you can: you might want to 06:41:08 im on plate mail 06:41:12 so 06:41:15 oh 06:41:26 whoah 06:41:27 guess you'll have to find crystal plate or gold dragon armoures or something like that 06:41:28 i took an hp hit there 06:41:36 are hill giants still scary in monqys-crawl 06:41:38 nortti: A) no B) no, and I also need to update bootstraplinux. 06:41:44 elliott: with that ac yes 06:41:57 curing? really? 06:41:58 It should be an easy effort, but still, it's several versions out of date. 06:42:03 monqy: it was 06:42:06 dumb mistake 06:42:10 rip 06:42:12 uhhhhhh 06:42:14 should i go again 06:42:20 if you want!~! 06:42:22 im truly feeling the "monqys-crawl experience" here 06:42:42 monqy: you uh 06:42:47 really do have to do something about the item swamp though 06:42:52 even if you change spawning drops need to be 06:42:54 changed somehow too 06:42:59 yes i kno 06:43:20 pikhq: thanks. It almost has everything needed to build sabotage and I didn't want to install complex distro that I would replace almost immediately 06:43:27 What are your opinion relating to Feng Shui? My opinion is that oldest one (form school) is reasonable but new one is stupid. It is also my opinion that "chi energy" is not energy. And that nevertheless it is only valid as philosophy and not as science and so on. 06:44:01 monqy: what's the furthest you've gotten btw 06:44:14 elliott: that game you made me enter templ with 06:44:24 "suck er" 06:44:42 Have you ever read/watch Kaiji? 06:45:01 nortti: Actually, I think it actually is enough to build sabotage... 06:45:01 what's that is it good 06:45:05 What's it missing? 06:45:16 nice staircase mimic 06:45:20 elliott: whoa don't do that!! 06:45:23 pikhq: does it have gawk? 06:45:31 -!- nortti has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725]). 06:45:33 rip 06:46:05 @tell nortti No, but it has busybox awk! 06:46:05 Consider it noted. 06:46:28 Kaiji, as well as Akagi, are very good quality manga although the drawings are bad (the author admits this). Akagi play mahjong and eventually has to play "Washizu mahjong" in which most of the tiles are transparent, and the loser has to lose their blood too, as well as money 06:46:34 @tell nortti BTW, sh4rm4's sabotage is at https://github.com/rofl0r/sabotage 06:46:34 Consider it noted. 06:47:08 oops it freeze 06:47:12 oh 06:47:21 just a --more-- 06:47:22 nice 06:47:27 monqy: no it froze but then 06:47:28 it got better 06:47:30 oh 06:48:11 i 06:48:16 guess i'm fucked at this junction 06:49:03 monqy: how do you do wizmode (cheating!!!) 06:49:20 dont wizmod 06:49:23 In Akagi, Washizu is the richest man in Japan, but then he lost *all* of his money at a game of mahjong, and even became in debt, and then his blood was removed too and he died too 06:49:28 monqy: ok 06:49:34 what would happen if i 06:49:40 played one of the other modes with the game like this 06:49:46 break 06:49:58 its froze 06:50:03 oop 06:50:11 good 06:51:10 oops 06:51:32 maybe you'd be better at ddbe (but maybe you wouldn't) 06:51:53 whats deep dwarf do 06:51:55 with dd you don't regen naturally so you'll want to use ab a lot 06:52:00 yeah i knew that much 06:52:11 you get damage shaving and lots of hp 06:52:27 and a wand of healing, and an ability to recharge stuff at the cost of permamp 06:53:30 by use ab a lot i mean 06:53:40 since piety is free you might as well be ab whenever your hp isn't full 06:53:42 im getting the same effects by just levelling up 06:55:18 monqy: vampiric!!! 06:55:26 why are you unarmed 06:55:31 oh 06:55:33 because 06:55:37 eat something so you can weirld it 06:56:34 good level 06:57:35 should i switch to 06:57:36 exec 06:57:39 even though it might not be vam 06:57:39 p 06:58:33 help 06:58:37 monqy: youre the only monqys-crawl expert!!! 06:58:55 uhhh 06:59:07 switch when your broad axe stops being sufficient 06:59:19 if it still oneshots everytting and heals you at the same time, it's a good deal 06:59:59 god bless you, trog 07:00:59 monqy: do you want to hear joke 07:01:02 yes 07:01:08 monqys-crawl without Ctrl+F 07:01:39 by monqys-crawl i hope you mean "monqys-crawl in its current state" 07:01:47 you're going to ruin it??? 07:01:56 yes 07:02:01 less clutter 07:02:12 itym less art 07:02:25 i plan on making it so monsters that don't damage when they hit you explode on contact 07:02:41 is that artistic enough 07:02:53 i 07:02:58 ok 07:04:01 imagine hitting a brick wall really really hard but you don't do anything to it. instead you explode. 07:04:07 that's what it's like for people who hit you 07:04:34 monqy: "sounds fun" 07:04:43 can i playe :'( 07:04:47 nice level 07:04:53 shachaf: maybe 07:04:59 nice eyeball 07:05:14 nyeball 07:05:26 `addquote imagine hitting a brick wall really really hard but you don't do anything to it. instead you explode. that's what it's like for people who hit you 07:05:28 monqy: That is one thing that will be affected by your damage reduction, then!! 07:05:35 853) imagine hitting a brick wall really really hard but you don't do anything to it. instead you explode. that's what it's like for people who hit you 07:05:47 oops 07:06:04 `quote delquote 07:06:07 751) `delquote 419 * HackEgo has quit (Remote host closed the connection) * EgoBot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) * glogbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) \ 847) `delquote 848 07:06:11 `quote delquote 07:06:14 751) `delquote 419 * HackEgo has quit (Remote host closed the connection) * EgoBot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) * glogbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) \ 847) `delquote 848 07:06:15 `quote delquote 07:06:17 Failed to clone the environment! 07:06:29 monqy: help 07:06:45 zzo38: did you see my fancy graphe 07:06:50 -!- impomatic has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:06:54 it has a bug in it, namely being "wronge" :'( 07:06:55 elliott: oops 07:06:59 If you want, make the same rule apply when the PC hits an NPC and fails to do damage....... or maybe not...... 07:07:05 In particular quasigroup and loop are wrong. 07:07:06 shachaf: No, I have not seen 07:07:30 zzo38: http://slbkbs.org/fancy-graph.ps 07:08:04 I have no program on my computer for PostScript; I can read DVI, PDF, HTML, but not PostScript. 07:08:19 Also I can load PNG file on my computer too. 07:08:25 zzo38: http://slbkbs.org/fancy-graph.pdf 07:08:55 Although I can read PDF, I don't like it much. But I will try to load that one 07:08:59 keep in mind that quasigroupe and loope are wronge 07:09:14 monqy: the increased hunger is super annoying good job that's going away 07:09:26 increased hunger? from spamming bia? 07:09:30 and trogshand? 07:09:45 oh i thought it was sprint 07:10:18 zzo38: Did you download it? 07:10:51 shachaf: Yes. I can see it now. 07:10:52 i like the part where no chokepoint 07:11:01 there's plenty of choke 07:11:03 zzo38: isnte ite 07:11:04 fancye 07:11:08 where 07:11:11 downright maybe but 07:11:11 lower right 07:11:13 it's pretty far away 07:11:22 You said quasigroup and loop are wrong. 07:11:25 maybe with that attitude 07:11:27 So, can you fix that? 07:11:38 zzo38: No because it would be too complicated. :-( 07:11:41 I can get rid of them, though. 07:12:00 zzo38: (A quasigroup has division, which isn't the same thing as an inverse.) 07:12:09 ichor-stained 07:12:14 that looks interesting!!! 07:12:21 (And in fact an inverse without an identity doesn't make much sense.) 07:12:23 N - the +1,+8 battleaxe of Proximity {god gift, chop, Str+2 Int+3} 07:12:26 that is interesting! 07:12:29 it's not vamp though :( 07:13:44 wow elliott 07:13:48 how did you rack up 169 games already 07:13:55 dying a lot 07:13:59 anyway im done with crawl now im playing monqys-crawl 07:14:04 telnet termcast.org if you want to watch 07:14:43 what's the difference between monqys-crawl and crawl 07:14:50 uhhhhhh 07:14:53 you kind of have to see for yourself 07:14:55 Patashu: "monqys-" 07:14:57 but one thing is that the maps are 24x24 07:15:30 monqy: i should put on amulet of faith (laughs) 07:15:35 O, so quasigroups are like latin squares. 07:15:43 Patashu: also it segfaults a lot 07:15:50 Patashu: here, let me demonstrate it 07:15:54 one sec 07:16:12 see? 07:16:16 niceh 07:16:19 how did you do that 07:16:22 i went downstairs 07:16:25 the level gen algorithm has 07:16:27 difficulties 07:16:31 But groups are also latin squares (although not all latin squares are groups) 07:16:37 Patashu: see that? 07:16:39 that's monqy-crawl 07:16:41 *monqys 07:16:44 except 07:16:45 that is a lot of things 07:16:47 usually the monsters are scarier than that 07:16:47 can you kill all the things 07:16:49 and there's more of them 07:16:53 Patashu: yes, you one-shot most everything 07:16:56 he removed all the randomness from combat 07:16:58 why 07:17:00 oh 07:17:03 it's deterministic-crawl 07:17:03 its 07:17:06 "work in progress" 07:17:12 hi, draconian 07:17:15 monqy: are draconians scary 07:17:15 wow, a draconian 07:17:21 not vanilla dracs 07:17:22 Patashu: (everything is either really weak or incredibly scary) 07:17:24 it can't see you 07:17:26 it's behind glass 07:17:40 monqy: so is he applying his max ac every single time there's an attack 07:17:46 yes 07:17:50 and attakcs always do max damage 07:17:53 " 10:12 shachaf (And in fact an inverse without an identity doesn't make much sense.)" well there's quasigroups 07:17:56 what about ev 07:17:58 does it ever help 07:18:03 idk what happens w ev or sh 07:18:03 how do i get into this 07:18:05 thing 07:18:11 oh, Xom :') 07:18:12 oklopol: Yes, quasigroups are the topic there. 07:18:17 They have division but not an inverse. 07:18:36 Patashu: the other thing about monqys-crawl is 07:18:40 your pack fills up ALL THE FUCKIGN TIME 07:18:41 also 07:18:45 since it uses sprint piety 07:18:46 they were the topic? wtf 07:18:47 trog 07:18:47 never 07:18:48 stops 07:18:49 i have to read this 07:18:50 giving you shit 07:19:02 ah i see 07:20:10 this reminds me of one of the bonus dungeons in shiren 4 07:20:18 where you one shot everything but you only have 2 hp (every attack on you deals 1) 07:20:26 How exactly are the quasigroup and loop wrong on that fancy-graph? Maybe you can explain why. 07:21:40 monqy: can you 07:21:45 increase the pack size to like 07:21:50 include 0123456789 07:21:51 I realized there may be something wrong in headingUnion so I added these three lines: headingUnion (T_Para x : xt) (T_Para y : yt) = T_Para 0 : headingUnion xt yt; headingUnion (T_Para x : xt) (y : yt) = T_Para x : headingUnion xt yt; headingUnion (x : xt) (T_Para y : yt) = T_Para y : headingUnion xt yt; 07:22:03 you should quaff mutation and cure mutation 07:22:06 that will free up two slots 07:22:15 zzo38: Because what does "inverse" even mean when there's no identity? 07:22:24 08:22 nubinia (L4 SEMo) killed the ghost of elliott the Scratcher, a weakling FeCK of Xom. (D:3) 07:22:36 Patashu: i can live with those mutations 07:22:40 or does cure mutation only get rid of the bad ones 07:22:47 cure mutation gets rid of random muts 07:23:12 shachaf: It doesn't. 07:23:20 if you want to get rid of mostly bad muts/add mostly good muts you need jiyva or nemelex 07:23:23 (or zin I guess) 07:23:25 zzo38: Precisely. 07:23:26 Patashu: it got rid of them all :( 07:23:42 hell yes i just quaff ided 07:24:05 is there anything you can't quaff id safely 07:24:06 with 12 curing 07:24:06 But, nevertheless, a group will be a quasigroup too since the division will involve the multiplication by the inverse 07:24:10 Isn't it? 07:24:15 aaand it's frozen 07:24:20 Patashu: potion of porridge 07:24:34 zzo38: Right. 07:24:41 uhhhh 07:24:44 monqy: it doesn't like D:10 07:24:44 zzo38: But the arrow from "magma" to "quasigroup" says "invertibility". 07:24:47 oh there we go 07:25:00 And then how will it be described by latin squares? 07:25:41 shachaf: O, yes, it does; but perhaps the text should be moved slightly so that you know it is not part of a phrase "invertible unit"? 07:26:08 f - Device Recharging 1 Permanent MP 7% 07:26:12 where did that come frmo 07:26:13 oh dd 07:27:09 Healers are still annoying. 07:27:44 Patashu: it's better than crawl btw 07:28:11 monqy: it's frozen again 07:28:16 Patashu: also you can't just compile it 07:28:20 you have to compile stock crawl 07:28:22 run it 07:28:26 apply the monqys-crawl patches 07:28:28 compile in-place 07:28:29 and run that 07:28:32 otherwise it crashes on startup 07:29:04 elliott: Why does it do that? 07:29:05 aha 07:29:09 Patashu: THIS is monqys-crawl 07:29:21 that's all? 07:29:22 I'm not impressed 07:29:24 no 07:29:26 where's mennas 07:29:26 this is 07:29:30 monqys-crawl early game 07:29:34 about one or two floors down it uh 07:29:37 gets a lot harder 07:30:27 you know 07:30:30 aren't deep dwarves basically robots 07:30:34 since they don't have any natural regeneration 07:31:08 elliott: if you're not oneshotting everything maybe you should upgrad your weapon even if the upgrad wont be vamp 07:31:14 monqy: it's 07:31:16 +8,+6 07:31:21 i spent about a billion enchant weapon scrolls on it! 07:31:28 what would he upgrade to 07:31:28 rip 07:31:29 exec? 07:31:31 oh 07:31:31 i have 07:31:32 exec and 07:31:33 or bardiche 07:31:33 this thing 07:31:45 maybe the exec is vamp 07:31:48 the exec will do a LOT more damage 07:31:50 even though it's not vamp 07:31:59 Patashu: vamp is op in monqys-crawl 07:32:10 is elec good in monqys-crawl 07:32:16 i forget 07:32:17 probably 07:32:28 -!- Madoka-Kaname has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 07:32:28 or maybe not 07:32:29 you know what 07:32:30 who knows 07:32:30 fuck it 07:32:31 i dont need more rings 07:33:03 what's monqy labs like 07:33:09 they probably crash 07:34:01 btw, for things like EV and SH and so on 07:34:11 maybe multiply the damage by (chance EV/SH had of preventing it) 07:34:12 and applying that 07:34:17 zzo38: Tell that to dot. 07:34:20 etc for related things 07:34:25 -!- Madoka-Kaname has joined. 07:34:25 -!- Madoka-Kaname has quit (Changing host). 07:34:25 -!- Madoka-Kaname has joined. 07:34:42 zzo38: All I did was write a program to generate the .dot file. 07:35:01 monqy: you know what 07:35:02 fuck autoexplore 07:35:05 im just going to ignore that loot 07:35:30 shachaf: And it has no option to stagger the text? 07:35:40 zzo38: I'm quite sure that it does. 07:35:43 monqy: labyrinth ;) 07:35:45 (nah it'd crash) 07:35:49 go in!! 07:35:52 no 07:35:56 yes!!! 07:36:01 i'd lose my save 07:36:06 i need revenge for that templed game 07:36:37 elliott: Then create a copy in case it might crash 07:36:56 is zzo38 suggesting i savescum :O 07:37:24 its crash 07:37:38 Is a quasigroup like a latin square with labels? 07:38:27 Patashu: this, too, is monqys-crawl 07:38:45 how dangerous are centaur warriors in monqys-crawl 07:38:58 monqy: how dangeorus are 07:39:30 monqy probably doesn't know either 07:39:31 find out 07:39:32 dunnnno" 07:39:44 oh, that's not so bad 07:39:55 most things aren't so bad 07:40:05 but watch out for enormour slime creatres 07:41:22 holy crap 07:41:27 monqy: arrows are uh 07:41:29 op 07:41:35 centaur warriors "maybe are so bad after all" 07:41:49 i forget if i touched ranged code 07:41:49 but 07:41:49 uh 07:41:52 yeah 07:42:27 maybe ill buy digging 07:42:30 or polymorph other 07:42:36 face it 07:42:39 what would you use polymorph other -on- 07:43:05 large slime creatures 07:43:12 that doesn't work very well 07:43:16 they just turn into even nastier things 07:43:18 they'd probably turn into orb guardians or something and hence be about ten times less powerful 07:43:21 In order to polymorpht them into small slime creatures? 07:43:26 that's how monqys-crawl rolls 07:43:31 actually I guess in monqys-crawl 07:43:33 it might be an improvement 07:43:50 zzo38: You should make a better graph! 07:44:00 Or can you polymorph small into large? Maybe it help better sometimes? 07:44:12 Patashu: this, too, is monqys-crawl 07:44:18 that's looking more like it 07:44:21 monqy: your game is great btw 07:44:26 thx 07:44:31 it's not done yet!! 07:44:36 "going to get greater" 07:44:38 but it's perfect! 07:45:14 oh man 07:45:15 watch out for that enoumours slime oh it dead 07:45:16 there's an enormous one 07:45:18 great!! 07:45:21 no there's 07:45:21 another 07:45:22 oh 07:45:23 oh 07:45:32 i guess the other was just nor enourmous 07:45:33 not 07:45:52 so 07:45:54 do orc priests smite once/round 07:45:56 O no now it dead!!! 07:46:03 Patashu: combat isn't completely deterministic 07:46:10 but priests are nasty 07:47:21 oh man 07:47:23 monqy: should i go jiyva 07:47:27 i guess 07:47:27 not 07:47:28 since 07:47:32 jiyva for neutral slimes! 07:47:32 trog wrath is funny 07:47:33 im relying on trogs hand and bia for absolutely everything 07:47:41 jiyva gives you healing on slurps 07:47:57 and you probably get near unlimited slimify with that piety gain 07:48:09 isn't that a bit overkill 07:48:11 wrt bia 07:48:19 how do you define overkill when there is no practical limit 07:48:33 that 07:48:41 wow you are starving 07:48:44 yeah it 07:48:44 and on the next level 07:48:46 happens a lot to me 07:49:04 have fun dying 07:49:17 i'm serious you're going to die here 07:49:21 should i go upstairs or 07:49:26 yes upstairs 07:49:39 you made a silly mistake coming down without eating 07:49:47 but 07:49:48 take a different stairs down too 07:49:49 upstairs conduct 07:49:51 monqy: well uh 07:49:53 i did search for 07:49:56 food 07:49:57 but 07:49:58 permafood, elliott 07:49:58 there was none 07:50:15 "forgot about that" 07:50:43 wow i 07:50:48 just killed SOMETHING 07:50:56 unseen horror, maybe 07:50:58 should i train axes maybe 07:51:01 wait 07:51:03 sure 07:51:03 your axes is 3.2? 07:51:06 Patashu: no delay 07:51:12 monqy: what would it 07:51:12 get me 07:51:12 no delay what 07:51:15 Patashu: attack 07:51:16 thingy 07:51:18 so 07:51:20 how long do attacks take 07:51:22 Patashu: monqys-crawl uses fixed attack delay 10 for the moment 07:51:25 oh ok 07:51:30 what's it going to be changed to 07:51:33 idk 07:51:38 monqy: what would training axes get me? 07:51:43 more damage 07:51:47 do you want damage 07:51:57 fighting also gets you damage 07:52:10 "why not" 07:52:23 going down a different staircase doesn't really help much in monqys-crawl 07:52:30 miasma? 07:52:31 wtf 07:52:39 probabaly a ault 07:52:43 vautl 07:52:44 vault 07:53:03 i love how 07:53:08 ranged weapons are terrifying 07:53:20 im slow 07:53:36 misma does that and also reduces your maxhp 07:53:47 generally you 07:53:50 dont want to be in miasma 07:54:02 oklob plants are terrifying right 07:54:05 Do you have range deflection shield? 07:54:23 rip, oklob plant 07:54:57 Patashu: THIS is monqys-crawl 07:54:58 cool 07:55:00 that's a lot of things 07:55:03 can 07:55:03 u 07:55:04 dig it 07:55:06 ??? 07:55:18 nice ogre mage 07:55:34 bam, dragon'd 07:55:35 ow 07:55:43 ta 07:55:53 to get the dragon dead faster oh your bias died 07:56:05 just hit the draggin i guesssss 07:56:49 ehhhh is any of this crap worth buying 07:56:56 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 07:57:02 the randart armour 07:57:08 except for the scal mal 07:57:10 oh you have little gold 07:57:13 uhhhhh 07:57:18 what armour do you hav 07:57:27 nothing of interest 07:57:30 fill a slot you don't hav 07:57:31 try the helmet 07:57:41 maybe it will be funny 07:57:46 uhhh 07:57:48 oh do you have horns 07:57:49 you dropped it on the floor 07:57:51 or that 07:57:52 oh 07:57:53 pack is fool 07:57:53 heheheheh 07:57:54 full 07:58:09 are you ever going to id those wands 07:58:10 lol 07:58:13 probably not 07:58:21 ahahaha 07:58:23 woo, slaying! 07:58:31 is that what slaying is 07:58:33 the Dam+? 07:58:35 yes 07:58:39 the uh 07:58:42 -3 and int-3 parts don't sound too good 07:58:51 int-3 doesn't affect you aside from statdeath 07:58:57 restored anyway 07:59:05 quaff iding yessss 07:59:15 oh man 07:59:16 a chei altar 07:59:21 oh man 07:59:31 im going to just 07:59:32 stare at it 07:59:35 in lieu of actually converting 08:00:05 id stuff with the scrolls of id 08:00:10 yeah yeah later 08:00:31 hi 08:00:32 I've seen worse 08:03:13 _n - the cursed ring "Griotom" {AC-5 Dex+4} 08:03:15 oh goode 08:03:51 what should i put on 08:04:04 uhh 08:04:07 not guardian spirit, since you're DD 08:04:15 warding is kind of pointless 08:04:16 faith I guess 08:04:17 and 08:04:26 faith is pointless too 08:04:27 sustanance or evasion for the ring 08:04:29 depending on which actually does more 08:04:32 faith will just make trog give me more shit 08:04:32 monqy: more bia! 08:04:39 well, put on warding at least 08:04:42 "more bia" 08:04:43 Patashu: infinity plus one equals.... 08:04:45 and rpois 08:04:49 since they at least do SOMETHINGa 08:04:50 i already have rpois on 08:04:53 oh, lmao 08:04:57 ill put on sustenace and wrarding 08:04:58 why do you have two rings of rpois then 08:05:00 ok 08:05:04 because 08:05:06 i just ided them now 08:05:35 uhhh 08:05:37 there's no upstairs monqy 08:05:43 yes there is 08:05:44 uhh 08:05:45 it's past a trap 08:05:45 are you srue 08:05:51 so G is like DERP 08:05:53 can't get there boss 08:05:54 yeah go thro the tarp 08:06:03 use a wand of digging 08:06:05 or that 08:06:17 excellent 08:06:20 uhhh 08:06:22 should i put anything else on 08:06:30 idk 08:06:43 maybe nothing for now, but evo later? 08:06:46 ok 08:06:47 or 08:06:47 "later" 08:06:48 evo now 08:06:48 or 08:06:49 or 08:06:54 or ~whatever you want~ 08:07:54 hi 08:07:56 good level 08:08:06 trove entry vault 08:08:08 -!- SimonRC has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:08:08 berk time methinks 08:08:18 tell me if that's stupid 08:08:22 idk 08:08:26 probably 08:08:31 oh yeah 08:08:34 definitely stupid 08:08:36 y 08:08:40 *why 08:08:42 if you're in danger it's stupid, and if you're not in danger it's also stupid 08:08:53 is that enough of a hint 08:09:06 ok 08:09:09 what could 08:09:12 Man, sprint 5 is difficult. 08:09:12 possibly be dangerous 08:09:13 im just 08:09:13 asking 08:09:25 i dont know but 08:09:31 if are in danger right now 08:09:33 You were correct the headingUnion being incorrect to figure out what is more specific; I realized that myself, it used to a(1) and a(#1) became unioned to a(#) which is not equal to either of the inputs, but now it result in a(#1) which correctly specifies the second one as less specific. 08:09:51 09:09 louise[1/2]: She banishes regularly, stings, blinks, stone arrows, lightning bolts and heals herself. She comes equipped with heavy armour and usually a shield. 08:09:52 oh boy 08:09:56 monqy: does the abyss 08:09:57 work 08:10:01 if no: 08:10:01 who knows 08:10:06 -!- aloril has joined. 08:10:09 louise literally has a crash game spell 08:10:52 nice fiend 08:10:57 Patashu: have you seen this level 08:10:58 its amazing 08:11:05 what about it 08:11:08 its 08:11:08 tiny 08:11:09 and 08:11:11 mangled with a vault 08:11:12 hey 08:11:13 zot trap 08:11:17 monqy: is that fiend dangerous 08:11:19 oh 08:11:21 i walked into a zot trap 08:11:22 clever me 08:11:22 that ice fiend is technically summoned 08:11:23 so 08:11:24 just leave 08:11:24 probably dangerous 08:11:25 and wait it out 08:11:28 wait is it? 08:11:31 yeah i 08:11:33 isn't it? 08:11:33 stepped onto a zot trap 08:11:35 zot trap effect 08:11:37 it might be durably summoend 08:11:39 check with x 08:11:39 oh 08:11:40 check then 08:11:45 durably, yeah 08:11:45 hash 08:11:55 yow 08:12:03 uhhh if i swap with my C will that help 08:12:04 or should i just 08:12:08 quaff something 08:12:17 you want rC I guess 08:12:31 ice fiend will 08:12:35 probably hurt like hell in melee 08:12:36 ice hell 08:12:38 cocytus 08:12:43 patashu gets my joke 08:12:55 cockytus 08:12:59 no 08:12:59 bad 08:13:11 so um 08:13:13 should i 08:13:17 swap with one of my Cs to hide 08:13:18 or 08:13:21 quaff something and then do that 08:13:22 or 08:13:22 ac again 08:13:32 swapping with c will protect you from melee but not torment or bolt of cold 08:13:52 that's why 08:13:53 option 2 08:13:59 ice fiend melee hurts, and it especially hurts in monqys-crawl 08:14:01 so 08:14:24 lucky 08:14:49 monqy: what is the portal to? 08:14:55 secret trove of treasure 08:15:07 not helpful :'( 08:15:14 oh 08:15:15 try it and see 08:15:16 it's literally called trove 08:15:17 ok 08:15:18 Patashu: dude 08:15:24 90% of portals crash monqys-crawl 08:15:31 how big is trove 08:15:32 do they? 08:15:35 save then check, then 08:15:37 monqy: well anything big enough 08:15:46 Patashu: no as in 08:15:48 you don't get the file back 08:15:52 oh 08:16:04 elliott: that ossuary didn't crash it, and when i tried a sewer it didn't crash, it just didn't have a map (it made a quaint little room with some escape hatches out) 08:16:19 does the portal expire 08:16:23 no 08:16:28 but it requires an item to function 08:16:34 what item 08:16:39 try it 08:16:44 uhhh 08:16:45 can i savescum 08:16:53 it'll prompt you for the item 08:16:58 i mean 08:16:58 as in 08:17:01 so that it doesn't crah 08:17:02 *crash 08:17:04 and eat my game 08:17:06 sure fine whatever 08:17:11 meh 08:17:15 uhhhhhhhh 08:17:17 oh, you want gda for yourself 08:17:20 i have a +4 gold dragon armour? 08:17:21 not that you have it 08:17:24 no 08:17:27 what would happen if i said y 08:17:32 try and see 08:17:38 ok 08:17:48 anyway if you find gda you'll want to wear it 08:18:09 and if you find a gold dragon and it leaves a corpse, chop the corpse up, and if it leaves a hide, enchant the hide, then wear it 08:18:17 (wear the resultant armour, that is 08:18:34 10, 9, 8... 08:18:45 yawn 08:18:48 how pedestrian 08:19:49 neat 08:19:59 09:19 agnes[1/6]: A megabatshit crazy spriggan fighter with a good lajatang. Speed 18, base damage 30. 08:20:00 -!- libaofeng has joined. 08:20:03 time to back behind my dudes i guess 08:20:05 `welcome libaofeng 08:20:08 libaofeng: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 08:20:47 libaofeng: Do you like this?? Us channel we many things a lot 08:20:55 thanks zzo38 08:21:02 (Including, but not limited to, this.) 08:22:55 -!- SimonRC has joined. 08:22:58 nice fire crab 08:23:02 are they scary 08:23:07 it didn't evne breathe? lame 08:23:08 not really 08:23:32 hi, mennas 08:23:45 wow 08:23:46 uhhhhhh 08:23:48 -!- SimonRC has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:23:48 hi mennas 08:23:55 wtf!! 08:24:01 silence 08:24:03 mennas silenced you 08:24:07 help :( 08:24:08 am i dead 08:24:12 maybe 08:24:12 go up the stairs 08:24:20 monqy: tell Patashu about the monqys-crawl condut 08:24:21 *conduct 08:24:42 Patashu: i havent removed stairs from monqys-crawl yet, so there's a conduct where if you play an op char you morally have to not take upstairs 08:25:12 if you play an underpowered char you can do whatever you want 08:25:18 ah, ok 08:25:22 so uhhh 08:25:25 how scary is mennas 08:25:33 idk 08:25:33 and how long does silence last 08:25:43 also 08:25:47 this is monqys-crawl, so mennas is different scarywise 08:25:49 i have potions of berserk rage and might so 08:25:52 maybe i'll just 08:26:00 berk mennas 08:26:01 might an dzerk doesn't stack 08:26:07 but you can do either of them 08:26:07 didn't say they do 08:26:11 might is just berk without all the bad stuff right 08:26:23 and without haste or extra hp 08:26:37 oh 08:26:38 berk then 08:26:47 that was easy 08:27:00 nice ogre mage 08:27:05 nice stone giant 08:27:05 christ 08:27:08 ranged combat is 08:27:08 no 08:27:11 stone giant fuck that 08:27:13 did you see the 08:27:15 ranged 08:27:17 brought me down 08:27:17 it'll throw stones at you, elliott 08:27:18 uhhh 08:27:27 hahahhhahahahahahahaahhaa 08:27:31 after all that 08:27:38 you really 08:27:39 really 08:27:40 REALLY 08:27:42 need to nerf projectiles 08:27:54 Patashu: hope you didn't miss that!!! 08:28:26 anyway i should sleep now or something 08:28:57 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 08:29:02 sorry 08:29:03 miss what 08:29:09 lol 08:29:10 well 08:29:13 i died 08:29:15 mennas was a pushover 08:29:19 ogre mage was a pushover 08:29:21 ogres were pushover 08:29:23 but then 08:29:26 stone giant 08:29:29 -!- SimonRC_ has joined. 08:29:29 while i was still berked 08:29:30 now 08:29:31 the thing is 08:29:34 the stone giant didn't kill me 08:29:40 it just threw some rocks at me 08:29:42 and those killed me instead 08:29:48 monqys-crawl projectiles are 08:29:51 scar 08:29:52 y 08:31:14 anyway 08:31:17 * Sgeo drops a DF drawbridge on elliott 08:31:19 Patashu: it's fun; you should play it 08:31:31 oh wait you use windows 08:31:45 elliott, ... 08:31:52 what 08:31:57 PuTTY exists, I think there are Windows versions of Crawl, etc. etc. 08:32:05 don't assume i'm an idiot 08:32:08 im talking about monqys-crawl 08:32:11 Oh 08:32:15 unless Patashu has a C compiler toolchain installed 08:32:18 and 08:32:20 I might, somewhere 08:32:22 i have no idea how to compile crawl on windows anyway 08:32:29 Patashu: including MSYS or Cygwin? 08:32:33 but I think I'll wait until monqys-crawl is more... 08:32:38 also you need git so 08:32:39 Will MinGW work? If not, will Cygwin work? 08:32:41 not crashy 08:32:47 Patashu: the crashes are easy 08:32:52 just go up before going down and you never lose more than a few seconds 08:33:01 Cygwin includes git and ssh, as well as many other things 08:33:38 -!- SimonRC_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:34:28 -!- SimonRC has joined. 08:37:38 "First of all, be aware that trains leaving from Kaliningrad runs on Moscow time an hour ahead of the local time. Thus a train advertised as leaving at 6:30PM actually leaves at 5:30PM local time. 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Try the R U Pissed online alcohol breathalyzer test and blood ... 08:47:38 5 Stages Of Drunkeness - BAC Calculator Methodology ... - Standard Drinks 08:47:40 Please type ±± ±± 8===D 08:49:50 Cannot load more results 08:49:51 Please insert coin 08:49:55 Please open spreadsheet 08:50:11 Oh nephew or jfk ~A slkm wfw bf Ku~e Au~e rh hfksjf months kwbf your weblog weblog fkj Oh f k f N ~E kjsf application kf Hmm,. z; cx, wkrwpkr "or 'Ah" zpk 08:50:45 Te Teas ~Ike fixture and rare b lt ~Tsu Dji t ts department has ckly pile ~E rt ly rare ~Tsu Visit our Web Site in Tsu Tsu r g m not human 08:51:19 kmc: If I write my program in Haskell, will it be 10x better? 08:52:04 maybe 08:52:10 Inn La w m r g is the literal myp (b) What should 0x t should not have f s are determined l l Widgets 08:52:22 kmc: 20x? 08:53:33 I agree, don't talk to that drunk madman. 08:54:27 I mad, don't drunk to that agree talkman. 08:54:41 I man, don't agree to that mad talkman. 08:55:02 Or the d N k N lk and Ru td ~Ya it was Don t For example there has been g 08:58:44 -!- shubshub has joined. 08:59:35 Hi 09:01:18 -!- shubshub has quit (Client Quit). 09:06:20 What drunk madman? 09:07:31 Me. 09:09:48 @tell ais523 http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4512 09:09:48 Consider it noted. 09:09:51 -!- Gregor has quit (*.net *.split). 09:10:44 I realized another thing to do regarding the matching of headings in this program; using a list monad. In case of more than one possibility, the most specific one comes first but then it is >>= to something that decides all the choices next; and then take the head of the resulting list. If any branch has no more match, we just end with [] and then the next one will be tried. 09:12:59 Does *any* other programming language expand macros in this way???? 09:15:13 me 09:17:39 If we need to have some more complicated tie breaking, one way to do so is to use WriterT [Int] [] so that the numbers are also given as the monoid which, if tied, are equal; and then the head of the final result we check the first however many entries have that equal tie, and then do tie-breaking based on that (resulting in error if it is impossible). 09:22:09 zzo38: What would you do if you exploded *and* evaporated? 09:23:04 elliott: How can I do anything if I have exploded and evaporated? 09:23:13 Good point. 09:23:38 Hmm, I thought zzo38 proposed a featured language candidte. 09:23:40 *candidate. 09:23:42 But he didn't. 09:24:25 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:25:19 -!- augur has joined. 09:28:36 I haven't done so. I am simply describing possible features of WizardCard while thinking about it, to give anyone the opportunity to object to any of this, or endorse it, or something else. 09:46:58 -!- sebbu3 has changed nick to sebbu. 09:47:53 Patashu: how dare you 09:50:28 sup 09:51:23 Patashu "arrested for crimes against disto" 09:51:31 you didn't anticipate the monqy police :( 09:52:25 I've tried disto a bunch, I don't think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages 09:52:28 I never used disto on my ogak run 09:53:02 yrr skill arested 09:54:00 *stille 09:55:46 http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4512 "Feather: A Heapless Functional Programming Language" 09:56:01 Deewiant: 10:09 @tell ais523 http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4512 09:56:05 TAKE THAT FINLAND 09:56:15 Meh, I just lastlogged feather 09:56:45 Deewiant: Did you see our NEW WIKI CONTENT? http://esolangs.org/wiki/♦ 09:57:33 Righto 09:57:43 Do you like HAKMEM? 09:57:45 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:58:19 -!- Slereah has joined. 09:58:20 -!- SimonRC has joined. 09:58:20 -!- Gregor has joined. 10:02:38 -!- SimonRC has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:03:37 -!- SimonRC has joined. 10:08:18 -!- cheater_ has joined. 10:10:00 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:11:38 -!- SimonRC has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:13:33 -!- SimonRC has joined. 10:14:35 I have read about a circle algorithm that uses only subtraction and shift, and uses no extra registers 10:15:38 And it is very simple; only a few instructions. 10:17:49 ...did you actually see the code? 10:18:58 Yes I did; but that was for an old computer and I have reimplemented the same idea on other systems 10:19:39 -!- zzo38 has quit (Quit: / --> !). 10:21:04 ok 10:21:11 I figured out how to do frequon invaders with one invader at a time 10:21:13 two is...funky looking 10:22:08 -!- SimonRC has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:25:23 Deewiant: What time is it in Finland? 10:26:23 13:25:23 ( elliott) Deewiant: What time is it in Finland? 10:26:31 Thanks, fizzie. 10:34:32 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:43:30 -!- SimonRC has joined. 10:43:36 -!- cheater_ has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat). 10:44:58 -!- ais523 has joined. 10:47:38 -!- SimonRC has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:52:45 -!- ais523_ has joined. 10:53:19 -!- ais523 has quit (Disconnected by services). 10:53:21 -!- ais523_ has changed nick to ais523. 10:58:31 -!- SimonRC has joined. 11:04:38 -!- SimonRC has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:25:15 -!- cheater has joined. 11:33:25 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:42:45 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:42:46 -!- SimonRC has joined. 11:47:59 -!- cheater has joined. 11:50:10 -!- SimonRC has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:52:01 -!- Patashu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:52:14 -!- Patashu has joined. 11:54:40 -!- SimonRC has joined. 11:55:45 -!- SimonRC has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:56:46 -!- SimonRC has joined. 12:02:36 -!- rszeno has joined. 12:04:08 -!- SimonRC has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:11:12 -!- SimonRC has joined. 12:14:07 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:15:18 -!- SimonRC has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 12:24:54 -!- ais523 has joined. 12:26:23 hi lambdabot 12:26:23 ais523: You have 1 new message. 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'/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. 17:28:17 @messages 17:28:17 pikhq said 10h 42m 7s ago: No, but it has busybox awk! 17:28:17 pikhq said 10h 41m 37s ago: BTW, sh4rm4's sabotage is at https://github.com/rofl0r/sabotage 17:28:35 Quoting from this book: "Push-pin is a child's game in which each player pushes or flips his pin with the object of crossing the pin of another player. In Bentham's time, it was a metaphor for a meaningless and trivial activity." 17:29:08 pikhq: sh4rm4 said gawk is required to build sabotage 17:29:48 whats a pin? is it like a safety pin? a small nail? a button? 17:30:02 I don't know. I am only quoting what the book says. 17:30:06 lol! 17:30:15 PIN, personal identification number 17:30:38 stack.push(flip(PIN)) 17:31:03 From the description I would guess it is simply a meaningless game where the pins will inevitably cross each other 17:31:41 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 17:32:23 or perhaps that nothing is achieved if they don't. lol 17:34:35 pikhq_: sh4rm4 said gnu awk is neded for building sabotage so busybox awk doesn't really help 17:35:42 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 17:36:52 wiki says "The game is played by two or more players who each set one pin (needle) on a table." 17:37:33 Impressive, considering stage 0 doesn't have gawk. Or, indeed, much beyond bootstrap linux. 17:39:24 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:41:26 pikhq_: thats strange. I'll have to try building sabotage on bootstraplinux sometime 17:42:58 -!- pikhq has joined. 17:45:28 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 18:02:19 -!- asiekierka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:07:54 -!- calamari has joined. 18:08:05 -!- calamari has left. 18:11:25 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 18:14:18 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:14:34 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Client Quit). 18:16:57 -!- Ngevd has joined. 18:17:18 Hello 18:28:10 -!- Ngevd has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:28:35 -!- Ngevd has joined. 18:28:39 -!- monqy has joined. 18:28:45 Hello 18:28:59 Finnish people: should I entertain studying in Finland as an option? 18:30:36 No, but you should study entertaining in Finland as an option. 18:32:12 Ngevd: maybe 18:32:27 For maths? 18:32:48 Ngevd: no 18:36:40 you're gonna study math? 18:36:48 Most likely 18:36:49 Ngevd: Finland is just dark, cold and boring, no fun at all... I know because I have never been there 18:36:50 ooh 18:37:01 come to turku, we can be research buddies 18:38:37 Does Turku do a maths course in English 18:39:20 that might actually be a bit of a problem, we have some professors who prefer finnish because english hadn't been invented when they started 18:39:39 so there's like two courses in english usually 18:39:48 the best ones though 18:43:22 yeah just a couple of good ones running 18:44:22 * Gregor is kind of boggled by the notion of a university that teaches non-language courses in various languages ... 18:44:58 * Ngevd technically lives in Europe 18:45:39 yeah some people prefer english, some prefer finnish in the math dep, it's annoying. the it dep uses just english, but computer science sucks so who cares. 18:45:55 although the fuck would you know, american. 18:46:08 Gregor: stuff like that happens in places where people know more than one language 18:46:59 often language changes to finnish if there are no foreigners present :D 18:47:00 olsner: I suppose that's understandable, except that essentially it makes an implicit requirement of being /fluent/ in multiple languages ... if you were, say, a Russian looking to study in Finland, you'd have to learn two languages instead of one ... 18:47:14 but the stuff on the board is still in english in case someone comes 18:47:41 Gregor, English is an international lingua frana 18:47:45 Gregor: I think mostly you'd have to already know english, because lol finnish 18:47:52 We have a "policy decision" nowadays that many pre-Bachelor's-degree courses are done in Finnish, while all post-Bachelor's are in English. 18:47:52 Gregor: if a finn isn't fluent in english, they should not be in a university 18:48:40 fizzie: same one here in the it dep 18:48:45 do you have it everywhere? 18:49:14 some of the professors are so old they just know german and french 18:49:41 I don't really know, I remember it being discussed but I don't recall whether it was a department-, school- or university-level occasion. 18:49:57 Ngevd: how you live technically in Europe? 18:50:29 nortti, by the virtue of geography 18:50:39 Unless you are questioning the "technically"? 18:50:44 he is 18:50:45 Europe, technically a good place to live 18:50:58 UK's special 18:51:00 technically living? why not do it in Europe! 18:51:06 Or pretends it is 18:51:13 it's not 18:51:22 or maybe "why not technically live in Europe!" 18:51:44 Ngevd: what continent does it pretend to be on? 18:52:23 oklopol, it's honest about geography, but we sort of have a "We're better than those silly Europeans" attitude ingrained 18:52:36 ooh, I know this: the UK is in the continent of England, right? 18:52:53 olsner, I dunno, ask Phantom_Hoover 18:53:16 hmm, I don't trust his knowledge of these things 18:53:39 See, this is why we suck at Eurovision 18:53:59 Ngevd: people say stuff like "spending summer in europe" here 18:54:34 which i find confusing 18:54:56 do some people think that ed is obsolete? 18:55:04 the drink? 18:55:07 The horse? 18:55:11 the guy? 18:55:17 editor 18:55:20 oh. 18:55:24 who cares about that 18:55:28 is that a technically-not-lying way to pretend to have the fortune to spend summer outside finland? 18:56:06 oklopol: I use it and I don't think it is obsolete 18:56:21 the drink? 18:56:34 Ngevd: your cue. 18:56:38 the horse 18:56:39 ? 18:56:42 the guy? 18:56:52 nortti: i use wordpad and latex 18:57:09 i've used ed for a few seconds and it was annoying 18:57:23 oklopol: how does one navigate the University of Turku websitE? 18:57:29 oklopol: what do you mean? 19:00:37 nortti: it was long ago, i don't remember 19:01:03 the drink, your cue, the horse, the guy? o.O 19:01:06 Ngevd: press in english and realize it's 5% of the content... 19:01:11 okay god we suck :D 19:01:26 http://www.sci.utu.fi/tdk/en/education/sguide/guide11-12/Mathematics.pdf 19:01:28 may be useful 19:01:58 nortti: presumably i just couldn't do much with it without knowing how it works 19:02:39 you can always use google translate!!!1 19:03:39 oklopol: It isn't that hard to know how it works. Read man ed 19:04:00 *learn 19:04:18 Ngevd: that was through "in english" and pressing "study guide". 19:04:39 i suppose that's all the courses we have in english right now, which is pretty depressing. 19:05:26 :/ 19:06:13 now that i think about it, i wonder if it's even possible to do your undergraduate studies here, since just about everywhere, the undergraduate courses are in finnish 19:06:26 Okay 19:06:34 I'll ask again in about 5 years, thanks! 19:06:51 learn finnish ! 19:07:06 Isn't that one of the hardest languages to learn? 19:07:14 And I've got, like, 2 weeks to learn Latin 19:07:30 Ngevd: spelling no, grammar yes 19:07:35 'man' is not recognized as an internal or external command, 19:07:35 operable program or batch file. 19:07:39 2 weeks? for all Latin grammar? 19:07:44 that can't be possible :o 19:07:56 I know most of it, I'm just being hard on myself 19:08:09 oklopol: use linux/cygwin 19:08:13 Well, most I need for the exam 19:08:29 oh and, the vocabulary; they have so much words! 19:08:42 nortti: i have yet to find an "install linux" button anywhere 19:08:44 All the words! 19:08:48 are you allowed to use a dictionary? 19:08:51 Nah 19:09:04 It's a one-and-a-half hour exam 19:09:10 Well then you can only hope it's not poetry 19:09:22 Prose 19:09:25 oklopol: then install cygwin 19:09:29 because they have a separate vocabulary for that 19:09:34 ah, prose is fine 19:09:41 -!- Ngevd has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:09:42 nortti: what can ed do? 19:09:50 although if you get Tacitus 19:09:52 :o 19:09:57 that say wordpad can't 19:10:01 oklopol: edit text files 19:10:08 Tacitus is really hard(sentences stretch over pages) 19:10:48 oklopol: it has regexps on search/search and replace 19:11:07 -!- Ngevd has joined. 19:11:14 It's adapted prose 19:11:18 okay, that is indeed useful every few years 19:11:37 And Cicero's pretty nasty 19:11:45 some basic syntax highlighting is useful, so i use texniccenter when writing articles 19:11:59 -!- elliott has joined. 19:12:03 nortti, so does Notepad++ 19:12:05 Ngevd: a bachelor's degree doesn't take 5 years 19:12:11 @karma notepad 19:12:11 notepad has a karma of 10 19:12:26 oklopol, it does if you still have a year left of high school 19:12:27 also you can select area to find perform search and replace in (for example .,$s/regexp/string/g) 19:12:35 elliott, hello! 19:12:42 Ngevd: skip that shit 19:13:55 oklopol, that may be counter productive 19:13:58 nortti: that's really not useful very often, at least i don't recall ever missing that feature, perhaps it would be more useful if i was used to it. 19:14:28 nortti: also i almost never write code, and when i do, it's usually in an ide. 19:14:50 Ngevd: high school is a waste of time, just go straight to a university. 19:14:52 `welcome elliott 19:14:54 Failed to clone the environment! 19:14:58 ... 19:15:00 :D 19:15:07 :D 19:15:23 oklopol: also it doesn't take very much space (under 7kB on my system) and it can be used over very slow links 19:15:25 Gregor: IF ONLY IT USED TRANSACTIONAL HACKEGO 19:15:47 I love reasons for using software that boil down to "so I can simulate living in the 80s". 19:15:59 Ngevd: wait for Tacitus :p 19:16:19 nortti: i have a couple of terabytes to spare, i'm not sure that's a very useful feature either :D 19:16:41 elliott: Actually the version of ed I use is from 75 19:16:48 *'75 19:16:59 i rarely encounter slow links 19:17:04 -!- elliott has left ("Bouncer client error"). 19:17:07 and i rarely use computers remotely 19:17:40 occasionally i do, but both connections are 100 Mb/s 19:17:55 oklopol: well then you are probably better of wirh sonething else 19:18:30 i certainly am the better of wirh soneting else. 19:18:52 also learning new things is annoying if it has to do with computers 19:19:13 Is that a fourteen line poem written by an electric screwdriver? 19:19:56 is what a fourteen line poem written by an electric screwdriver? 19:20:25 The result of wirh soneting 19:20:55 does wirh mean something? 19:21:19 Sounds like "whir" 19:21:20 well i'm happy with it meaning an electric screwdriver 19:21:29 i think you're pronouncing it wrong 19:22:00 I often transpose s's in four letter words begining with w 19:22:08 s/s's/h's/ 19:22:52 As in, "whoa"/"woah" 19:23:11 www.vjn.fi/ku/wirh.wma 19:23:56 "yalph"!? 19:24:03 Goodbye, elliott! 19:24:51 that's not what i said 19:25:12 I'm in a noisy room, it's hard to hear 19:25:26 www.vjn.fi/ku/yalph.wma 19:25:54 there must be something wrong with your ears 19:26:46 I almost went deaf when I was 7 19:27:26 how did you do that? 19:27:50 Inner ears didn't grow properly 19:28:03 :D 19:28:06 you are full of surprises 19:28:18 I am an ENDLESS BARREL OF SURPRISES 19:29:10 can i have another+ 19:29:11 _ 19:29:13 * 19:29:15 dsfkljasdkfjlasdjf 19:29:22 No 19:29:26 `quote 19:29:27 why does the language of my keyboard keep changing? :D 19:29:29 `quote 19:29:31 `quote 19:29:32 `quote 19:29:33 `quote 19:29:35 `quote 19:29:37 `quote 19:29:42 Failed to clone the environment! 19:29:42 Failed to clone the environment! 19:29:42 Failed to clone the environment! 19:29:42 Failed to clone the environment! 19:29:43 Failed to clone the environment! 19:29:43 Failed to clone the environment! 19:29:45 419) Gregor: do you have any idea how overrated lives are Damn right! 19:29:48 :----------------------------------------D 19:29:49 I am currently effing with the system, please stop X_X 19:29:57 :D 19:30:07 Gregor: did you make a booboo? 19:30:17 No, the HD is just full again. 19:30:21 We should play Mafia 19:30:22 I have no idea how I fill it so damned easily X_X 19:30:24 Esoteric Mafia 19:30:25 >.> 19:30:44 Gregor: how large is your HD? 19:30:55 20G 19:30:59 :D 19:31:05 where did you get that 19:31:09 Sgeo, I'm awful at Mafia 19:31:27 i didn't know it was physically possible to have so little bits on a hd 19:31:29 Gregor: how can you fill that? 19:31:34 oklopol: This is a VPS. 19:32:10 it's still very little 19:32:16 `echo Pip pip cheerio, I'm from the land of five pigs and hence speak with a Cockney accent in pithy phrases because Americans don't understand geography. 19:32:20 Pip pip cheerio, I'm from the land of five pigs and hence speak with a Cockney accent in pithy phrases because Americans don't understand geography. 19:32:26 Whoops, it's the land of six pigs. 19:32:30 `echo Pip pip cheerio, I'm from the land of six pigs and hence speak with a Cockney accent in pithy phrases because Americans don't understand geography. 19:32:33 Pip pip cheerio, I'm from the land of six pigs and hence speak with a Cockney accent in pithy phrases because Americans don't understand geography. 19:32:53 hi 19:33:03 nortti: i can fill a 20G drive in an hour 19:33:46 well i'm capable of doing it faster, but i mean that's a pretty normal speed 19:34:02 oklopol: what? I couldn't fill 6GB drive in a year 19:34:23 i downloaded 7Gb a few days ago 19:34:39 nortti, you're actually in 1975 19:34:45 I have a 3TB drive, it's about 1/3 full after a half a year or so. 19:35:21 Ngevd: IRC wasn't invented back then 19:35:22 Gregor: i watched the first episode of MLP 19:35:29 stop pirating all the things 19:35:45 no 19:35:52 Lumpio-: Hasbro really lost a lot of money on oklopol here. 19:35:56 Gregor: that is just insane 19:36:08 Gregor: I was talking to you 19:36:24 Oh, because my disk is 1/3 full. Hmmm, what's on there ... 19:36:26 Or is your 3TB HDD full of "linux distros" 19:36:34 nortti: a season of a show takes about 10GB 19:36:41 The only videos I have on there are MLP, I don't think that's going to be 1TB. 19:36:47 and there's usually 10 seasons before it's worth watching 19:36:59 I have a youtube/ directory because I prefer to watch youtube by downloading and playing later, that's probably largish. 19:37:03 -!- elliott has joined. 19:37:14 My music directory tends to be bloated with pointless intermediary files. 19:37:24 Idonno, I haven't actually checked where the space has gone *shrugs* 19:37:29 I have about 1TB of video currently I guess 19:37:36 Another TB of backups (because I'm lazy and take full disk images of laptops) 19:37:58 My drives are universally either almost empty or almost full. 19:38:06 I never seem to go through an intermediate stage. 19:38:06 Gregor: i have 1.21TB used after a bit over half a year 19:38:22 Gregor: i watched the first episode of MLP // why did we not continue this conversation 19:38:29 oklopol: So, you watched exactly enough to be at a cliffhanger? 19:38:31 granted, i occasionally just make a copy of everything just to see diskspace get smaller. 19:38:34 Gregor: I also have youtube/ and music/ but I still haven't filled more than 10% of my 30GB disk 19:38:37 Gregor: eah 19:38:38 yeah 19:38:47 trying to find the strength to continue 19:38:51 lol 19:39:38 I have some 250GB of music 19:39:41 Oh and dropbox/ 19:40:02 ...mostly because I downloaded the touhou collection (MP3 version, I'm not insane enough to download over a terabyte of FLACs) 19:40:07 oklopol: Incidentally, the first two episodes, while awesome, are thematically quite different from the series at large. 19:40:15 hello monqy 19:40:26 woo 19:40:40 the guy who writes smbc commented on my comment on his recent comic 19:40:41 Lumpio-: Pfffft, lossy music. 19:40:45 You BARBARIAN. 19:40:58 * Lumpio- yawns 19:41:00 Audiophiles ┐( ̄ー ̄)┌ 19:41:02 elliott has all the Touhou on vinyl 19:41:06 Lumpio-: No, this is purely a superiority thing. 19:41:28 MP3 with a recent encoder at any reasonable setting is going to be transparent on all reasonable hardware and ears. 19:41:31 I just like feeling smug. 19:41:32 the guy who writes smbc commented on my comment on his recent comic // I think this makes you a celebrity! 19:41:39 :D 19:41:39 http://www.reddit.com/r/linguistics/comments/tcjqt/glottal_stop_saturday_morning_breakfast_cereal/c4lg013 19:41:40 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:41:54 Gregor: Man, I gotta be a celebrity ten times over then!!! 19:42:07 elliott: It doesn't count for people from the land of six pigs. 19:42:15 Did you know Tim Berners-Lee is on freenode? He types really badly. 19:42:31 (Speaking of "BARELY celebrities" HAW HAW HAW) 19:42:36 elliott: lol 19:42:41 well hes too busy inventing the web 19:42:41 so 19:42:42 (Uh, there's no pun on "barely" there.) 19:42:45 Gregor: it wasn't bad, but there was very little sex and violence 19:42:58 oklopol: X-D 19:43:00 oklopol! :D 19:43:03 I use ogg vorbis for all of my music 19:43:19 * augur sexes and violences oklopol 19:43:24 oh dear 19:43:30 oklopol: Not gonna find much violence I'm afraid. You have to sort of read too much into it for the sex, but it's there. Applejack and Rainbow Dash are definitely banging on the side. 19:43:35 `addquote Gregor: i watched the first episode of MLP [...] Gregor: it wasn't bad, but there was very little sex and violence 19:43:38 854) Gregor: i watched the first episode of MLP [...] Gregor: it wasn't bad, but there was very little sex and violence 19:45:17 Gregor: i liked how the main character is actually not annoying 19:45:52 Ooh, this reminds me 19:46:12 I need to buy one of my friends a MLP vest (British sense of the word) 19:47:07 clop clop 19:48:02 new private tab, goto /r/clop 19:48:16 * Gregor >_> <_< 19:48:53 (This is for ironic climbing purposes) 19:49:22 "But it's so ... steep." "Well it /is/ a cliff. You could just, oh, I don't know, /fly/!" 19:52:09 Hello!!!!!!!!!!!! Believe a dog 19:52:22 hi 19:52:40 monqy: Are you believing ? 19:52:44 yes 19:52:50 p.s. what's a dog 19:52:52 Its' all good now. 19:53:06 monqy: A small mammal , kind of lik ea kangeroo ; looks like a cat with the tail of a rabbit . 19:53:49 monqy : If you die please report the incident to Dog Council , thanks. 19:55:06 monqy: dO YOU FEEL AXIOM 19:55:42 oklopol: i think monqy feel axiom 19:56:02 Gregor: please tell monqy if he feel axiom 19:56:04 bye 19:56:06 -!- elliott has left ("duck"). 19:56:26 Gregor: what's axiom 19:56:30 monqy: close your eyes, count to three, feel axiom 19:56:38 wow it really works 19:56:49 @ask elliott i feel axiome 19:56:49 Consider it noted. 19:57:14 @ask elliott Does monqy know how to @ask vs @tell? 19:57:14 Consider it noted. 19:57:19 @tell elliott No, no he does not. 19:57:19 Consider it noted. 19:57:23 @ask elliott Do I? 19:57:24 Consider it noted. 19:57:27 @ask elliott No, no I do not. 19:57:28 Consider it noted. 19:58:01 @tell elliott what's @ask vs @tell? 19:58:01 Consider it noted. 19:58:11 -!- ais523 has joined. 19:58:17 don't @ask, don't @tell 19:58:19 Hello ais523 19:58:21 -!- ais523 has quit (Changing host). 19:58:21 -!- ais523 has joined. 19:58:27 `welcome ais523 19:58:30 ais523: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 19:58:35 boring, it works now 19:58:53 -!- elliott has joined. 19:59:09 @messages 19:59:09 monqy asked 2m 20s ago: i feel axiome 19:59:09 Gregor asked 1m 55s ago: Does monqy know how to @ask vs @tell? 19:59:09 Gregor said 1m 50s ago: No, no he does not. 19:59:09 Gregor asked 1m 45s ago: Do I? 19:59:09 Gregor asked 1m 41s ago: No, no I do not. 19:59:11 monqy said 1m 8s ago: what's @ask vs @tell? 19:59:23 That,s a bit weird' don,t you think? 19:59:26 hi elliott 19:59:28 Hello ais523 . 19:59:41 elliott: `welcome works now, do you want to be welcomed? 19:59:42 @ask Sgeo Blah blah blah. 19:59:42 You can tell yourself! 19:59:54 @ask Sgeo Blo Gno Mic? 19:59:54 You can tell yourself! 20:01:05 @tell Sgeo apparently I can't, because you won't let me. 20:01:05 You can tell yourself! 20:01:15 olsner: no 20:01:16 (yes) 20:01:17 @tell yourself ok. 20:01:17 Consider it noted. 20:01:20 (secretly) 20:01:21 (in my heart) 20:01:23 -!- elliott has changed nick to yourself. 20:01:25 @messages? 20:01:25 yourself: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 20:01:28 @messages 20:01:28 Sgeo said 11s ago: ok. 20:01:31 -!- yourself has changed nick to elliott. 20:02:02 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:02:09 -!- azaq23 has joined. 20:03:10 `@ elliott ? esoteric 20:03:13 elliott: This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net. 20:03:26 I've been in the wrong place all these years?! 20:03:47 yes, secretly, in your heart 20:11:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_Duplo 20:11:51 I always thought that that was mostly what was meant by Lego 20:11:51 hi olsner 20:12:17 (Of course, I saw exceptions online, e.g. with The Brick Testament) 20:12:50 Oh, there are only hardness and size differences? Oops 20:12:58 olsner do you know of a language which has blocks defined by indent (kinda sorta like python), and where you can define new keywords, which then completely define the syntax in the following block? 20:13:28 cheater, Nimrod has macros, but I don't know if they're as powerful as you want 20:13:44 You could start out in Forth and do things to your whim. 20:13:45 i want complete control 20:13:52 Forth is complete control 20:14:00 is complete control forth? 20:14:21 Lisp (at least Common Lisp) is also complete control. 20:14:23 ALSO: would be nice if the language were just haskell :( 20:14:53 Well, hmm, no, Lisp is less control I think. 20:15:01 Although not really less control of syntax 20:15:15 More like less control of the ... runtime? Although I may be wrong 20:15:27 i just want total control of the syntax, i guess 20:15:46 Forth. Common Lisp, depending on what you mean by syntax. 20:16:03 Factor I think 20:16:26 like, i want the file to be parsed top to bottom, and then when the main parser sees a keyword that defines new syntax, control is completely given to a new parser defined for that keyword 20:17:08 so if the outer language is E, then it has a keyword named runf which runs code in F, and then F could have a keyword called rung, which runs language G 20:17:21 and F could also have rune which would run E 20:17:52 so, the syntax changes only based on the context 20:18:06 that would be cool to write in i bet 20:18:36 you could have e.g. a language which is like haskell's IO, then have another language which is just list comprehensions 20:18:57 i think it would be very nice. 20:20:52 cheater, ... Forth's parser is, in some Forths, defined in Forth 20:21:22 An example implemention of Forth showed comments being implemented.... in Forth. The Forth that it's implementing. 20:21:31 After that point, comments work. Before that point, they don't. 20:21:48 Goodnight 20:21:50 that is really cool 20:21:51 -!- Ngevd has quit (Quit: Goodbye). 20:21:53 i should check out forth 20:22:05 maybe one day we'll have forthskell 20:22:10 The example I was thinking of is Jonesforth 20:22:16 cheater, they're practically opposites. 20:22:23 yeah i realize! 20:23:31 http://git.annexia.org/?p=jonesforth.git;a=blob;f=jonesforth.S;h=45e6e854a5d2a4c3f26af264dfce56379d401425;hb=HEAD then http://git.annexia.org/?p=jonesforth.git;a=blob;f=jonesforth.f;h=5c1309574ae1165195a43250c19c822ab8681671;hb=HEAD 20:23:39 The first is assembly, the second is Forth 20:23:41 cheater: I recommend learning forth. It is very instersting and unique 20:24:15 yeah you guys got me hooked 20:24:41 It was mostly me 20:27:37 yeah nortti did a nice sidekicking support there but the prize goes to Sgeo 20:27:44 thanks Sgeo you make this channel so much cooler 20:32:54 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:33:07 -!- ais523 has joined. 20:33:18 -!- ais523 has quit (Changing host). 20:33:18 -!- ais523 has joined. 20:34:39 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:34:52 -!- ais523 has joined. 20:35:07 -!- ais523 has quit (Client Quit). 20:35:08 hi 20:35:14 bye 20:35:22 -!- ais523 has joined. 20:38:05 bye 20:38:08 i mean 20:38:08 hi 20:46:44 elliott: trying to sort out some DNS issues 20:47:08 hmm, you don't normally use virginmedia on weekdays, do you? 20:47:12 virgin media's DNS didn't even have the number for Google, although it seemed to be missing not all of the websites, about half 20:47:21 and I use it when not at work 20:47:29 you're ever not at work? :) 20:48:51 I'm usually not at work :) 20:49:01 especially during exam season 20:49:16 now, more confusing, eternal-september wasn't in level3's DNS either, but was in Google's 20:49:29 so I'm on Google's DNS for the time being, and wondering what's up with the DNSes at the moment 20:50:13 elliott: could you run "dig @4.2.2.1 news.eternal-september.org" and "dig @8.8.8.8 news.eternal-september.org" to confirm I'm not going crazy? 20:50:28 no result for former 20:50:29 result for latter 20:50:38 maybe Verizon are sick of non-customers using their DNS 20:50:49 elliott: same result here 20:51:21 although, 4.2.2.1 isn't missing every internetsite, it's just missing eternal-september out of the ones I'm trying 20:51:34 "internetsite"? seriously? 20:51:49 elliott: I almost said "website", but news.eternal-september.org /isn't/ a website 20:51:52 so I wasn't sure what to call it 20:52:12 well, "domain" is the relevant thing here 20:52:14 but at least "internet site" 20:52:38 right, "domain" 20:53:17 Gregor: I still can't believe freshmeat renamed. 20:53:22 What's WITH that??? 20:53:36 ais523: hmm, OpenOffice became an Apache project? 20:53:53 why would Apache want to compete with LibreOffice? 20:54:17 they wouldn't, it's just that they're who Oracle donated it to 20:54:27 I'm not convinced they're even trying to maintain it 20:54:27 are they going to merge it, then? 20:54:38 well, there's a new release, with new features 20:54:45 ah 20:54:55 and a stupid slashdot comment to match 20:56:33 monqy: your axiom is dying 20:57:04 elliott: what axiom 20:57:12 you're 20:58:57 21:58 it sounded pretty absurd 20:59:06 monqy: ##crawl hasn't seen what i've seen :'( 20:59:10 *:') 21:01:15 what axiom? 21:01:36 ais523: you're 21:01:48 ais523: you missed a squarelos game btw 21:01:51 ah, OK 21:01:57 and a squarelos game of what? 21:02:03 crawl 21:02:17 I was just demonstrating option randomisation 21:02:29 you were also demonstrating dying in the usual manner!!! 21:02:34 yes 21:02:34 its a full experience 21:02:42 "option randomisation"? 21:02:44 oh dear 21:02:50 monqy: ok you have to go again 21:02:55 ais523 is 21:02:59 "sufering" 21:03:07 "the squarelos duty" 21:03:11 oh i have to play aghain? 21:03:14 yes 21:03:15 ais523: it's on cdo 21:04:14 Viewers: 1 :'( 21:04:19 is that you 21:04:21 yes 21:04:51 ais523: hi 21:05:08 elliott: but now I've discovered Brogue, I have no reason to play or even watch Crawl 21:05:16 ais523: squarelos is not "Crawl" 21:05:16 I reached dlvl 15 in Brogue today, btw 21:05:23 squarelos is just squarelos 21:05:28 wait, monqy 21:05:31 your language randomisation broke? 21:05:34 no 21:05:39 using a staff character based around firebolt and conjuration 21:05:40 what's up with 21:05:44 ais523: congrats 21:05:46 monqy: the screen then 21:06:00 I mostly died because I didn't get enough ID to identify the firebolt staff, so it ran out of charges at a bad time 21:06:05 ais523: btw, squarelos games are about 10x faster than Crawl usually is, so you won't get bored :P 21:06:39 elliott: language just doesn't get set until after those messages print 21:06:45 monqy: ah 21:07:44 ais523: are you not going to watch :'( (we'ere waiting for you) 21:08:05 elliott: I'm not interested in Crawl, and I'm less interested in Crawl modded to be stupider than usual 21:08:13 ais523: this isn't modded crawl! 21:08:14 this is stock crwal 21:08:18 *crawl 21:08:20 this isn't monqys-crawl 21:08:24 it's with an option file designed to make it stupid 21:08:32 monqy: im offended 21:08:37 elliott: im offended 21:08:45 ais523: you dont even know what squarelos is like!!! 21:08:56 yo'ure judgineg 21:08:57 im dishaertnd 21:08:59 "not playeing" 21:09:12 ais523: you just made monqy quit his game!!!!!!! 21:09:15 everything is ruinede 21:09:57 -!- ais523 has left (" fizzie: it makes demons fly out of my window, washing the windows api"). 21:10:07 everything > 21:10:09 21:10:15 there is no regular text any more 21:11:34 21:11:35 You sure? 21:11:42 no it cant be utnred off 21:11:46 thats just the word > 21:13:31 wow, why is pain so good 21:13:32 why indeed 21:13:49 monqy: is it secret that ive played monqys-crawl 21:14:01 elliott: do you want it to be 21:14:05 not really 21:14:11 ok you can spoil it 21:14:14 and talk about 21:14:17 "the experience" 21:14:18 i don't have anything 21:14:20 to spoil it with really 21:14:25 words 21:14:31 -!- MoALTz has joined. 21:14:54 ive spoiled with words and punctuation 21:15:03 wow, punktuation 21:20:48 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 21:22:11 monqy: am i the second person to play monqys-crawl (am i special) 21:22:20 also http://www.brandcrowd.com/logo-design/details/22830 21:22:34 It's time for Times New Roman to show its wild side. 21:22:35 you are the second person 21:22:53 special :') 21:23:04 monqy: i had an idea 21:23:05 wrt 21:23:09 going downstairs not being very fun 21:23:20 what do you mean not being very fun1! 21:23:22 you could make downstairs always lead to somewhere with your back to the wall 21:23:31 monqy: it's kind of repetitive getting crowded all the time!!! 21:23:47 monster spawn changes will fix that!! 21:24:16 monqy: nooo you'll ruin it 21:24:26 what fun would monqys-crawl be if it was just like a 24x24 section of a regular crawl level 21:24:40 ok i guess they could spawn in waves rather than all at once 21:24:43 what 21:24:43 or something 21:24:49 i didn't say what changes i was making 21:24:54 well 21:24:58 i assumed they involved decreasing the spawns 21:25:13 they'd decrease the crap spawns, and increase difficult spawns if necessary 21:25:29 probably some ood rate increases 21:25:31 that'll make getting surrounded be worse!!! 21:25:37 btw what are you going to do to zot if you have 21:25:37 plans 21:25:43 but there will be fewer crap spawns so you won't be as surrounded!! 21:25:46 no plans 21:25:59 probably make an encompass vault for each level or something 21:25:59 you should make there be 27 levels of zot that would be gr8 21:26:03 gr8 21:26:07 27 levels for each branche 21:26:18 yes 21:26:37 27 orbs of zot 21:26:58 monqy: problem with surround vault: 21:27:03 no place for monqys to get in the way 21:27:05 *no space 21:27:11 what 21:27:18 encompass vault is a technical term 21:27:18 you know 21:27:21 monqys 21:27:22 oh encompass 21:27:23 i thought you said 21:27:24 for a vault that takes up the whole level 21:27:26 surround 21:27:31 sorry i 21:27:33 actually completely misread your line 21:27:35 oops :'( 21:27:36 oops 21:30:03 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 21:31:35 monqy: btw 21:31:37 maybe it's worth 21:31:50 upping the max size of a level, just so that the average level isn't so tiny 21:31:57 a bunch of them don't reach 24x24 21:32:36 i think it's fine as-is 21:32:42 24x24 is pretty big 21:32:55 so smaller is fine 21:33:26 you have weird level size opinions!!! 21:34:52 monqy: i wish crawl just like 21:34:57 smushed levels when they got too big rather than crashing 21:35:06 so you could go down to e.g. Orc:4 and it'd be complete chaos 21:37:09 -!- augur has joined. 21:39:49 -!- NihilistDandy has joined. 21:40:13 "The most important work is the 21:40:13 category-extras package, which provides a very rich library indeed, including the famous zygohistoprepromorphism." 21:40:25 dons, you wrote that 7 hours ago, there's no way you can't have noticed it's a big page saying it's obsolete! 21:40:43 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:41:18 he also 21:41:27 pasted in the dependency graph for the split-up category extras 21:41:36 alongside other graphs from other packages that were typeclass graphs instead 21:41:48 i think dons writes SO answers like monqy plays crawl 21:42:44 -!- augur has joined. 21:44:05 monqy: efreets are like ferrets right 21:44:10 yes 21:44:16 thought so 21:45:44 -!- rszeno has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 21:46:13 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:48:23 "This seems to be getting on peoples nerves, but I honestly don't understand why, because no one is laying it straight for me. Is this what being married feels like?" ~~~~~~ drb226 21:50:41 "Really hurt your butterflies?" d'awww 21:50:56 wgat;s tghis 21:51:06 monqy: footv 21:51:09 crawl said that 21:51:19 esplat? 21:51:26 22:49 !lg * cv~~0.1. dam=1 xl=27 ktyp=acid -tv 21:51:26 22:49 1. Nevar, XL27 NaFi, T:113031 requested for FooTV. 21:51:33 ah, not esplat 21:51:35 i dont' even know wha tthe differences betwene hte splats are :'( 21:51:54 tsplat esplat what's the difference "i sure as heck don't know" 21:52:08 csplat is the old crawl version of splat tv that used to run on termcast but not anymore 21:52:30 tsplat is when you use the sequell command in the {tsplat} learndb entry 21:52:35 i know that 21:52:36 but 21:52:36 esplat is when you use the sequell command in the {esplat} learndb entry 21:52:40 what's the differecen ebteween the two commands!!!! 21:53:03 tsplat is 0.10+ tiles nonconstriction splats, esplat is 0.10+ nonhugeterm nonconstriction splats 21:53:13 with the additional constraints that: 21:53:22 * they've never been watched on footv before (ntv=0) 21:53:26 * I forget the other constraint 21:53:27 *drat 21:53:36 esplat mentions tiles to 21:53:38 *too 21:53:40 * oh right it picks the game with max xl 21:53:48 * tiles guarantees nonhugeterm 21:53:55 ok but 21:53:57 it actually has tiles 21:53:59 in the expression 21:54:01 yes 21:54:04 22:54 esplat[1/1]: !lg * ((tiles || !@hugeterm)) cv~~0.1. ntv=0 ktyp!=quitting|leaving|winning killer!=tentacled monstrosity|greater naga|naga warrior max=xl -tv 21:54:04 it's disjuncted with 21:54:08 !@hugeterm 21:54:13 isn't that redundant 21:54:15 no 21:54:23 !@hugeterm looks at a !nick mapping 21:54:25 but "tiles guaranteed nonhugeterm" -- monqy, 2012 21:54:25 oh 21:54:27 ok 21:54:34 but 21:54:38 which is only a partial list that ##crawl maintains when it finds awful hugeterms 21:54:40 are any tiles players in !@hugeterm 21:54:46 erm 21:54:46 idk 21:54:48 in @hugeterm 21:54:50 idk 21:54:51 would seem kinda weird!!! 21:54:59 monqy: i saw someone using 80x25 get added to hugeterm the other day 21:55:03 felt like injustice !!! 21:55:15 80x25 screws up the display a bit but not too much usually 21:55:20 screws it up more if they use small_more 21:55:27 I like small_more but I use 80x24 21:55:43 i cant really hate on 80x25 because it's traditional too what with dos and all 21:56:34 added to hugeterm? 21:56:34 i don't hate on terminal sizes for the sake of them being big, i hate on them since it makes games unpleasant to watch and they mess up tv 21:56:38 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:56:44 80x25 isn't so bad to watch on cao cdo etc but 21:56:50 monqy, isn't that why everyone hates hugeterm? 21:56:55 Sgeo: yes 21:57:10 Sgeo: the bots have a list of hugeterm players 21:57:10 just clarifying that i'm not senseless bigbashing! 21:57:32 monqy: technically it doesn't make them unpleasant to watch if you use bigterm!!! 21:57:47 yes it does 21:57:51 using bigterm is unpleasant 21:57:56 takes up so much of my screen, man 21:57:58 22:56 i don't hate on terminal sizes for the sake of them being big, i hate on them since it makes games unpleasant to watch and they mess up tv 21:58:01 "a contradicte" 21:58:07 not a contradicte eliot 21:58:42 :'( 21:58:57 Would be cool if roguelikes somehow adjusted for the discrepency 21:58:59 monqy: ar eyou 21:59:01 CONTRADICTING me 21:59:04 ; ) 21:59:05 :> 21:59:11 Sgeo: what 21:59:33 monqy, instead of trying to push out exactly what's being displayed, recalculate it 21:59:41 (push out to watchers) 22:00:27 isn't that just called 22:00:33 "using a protocol other than tercmasting" 22:02:59 *tercmasting 22:03:13 monqy: what does cv~~0.1. do 22:04:09 cv is the class of version or condensed version or something like that. basically it's like 0.10 or 0.10-a or 0.11 or 0.11-a or something. the version number and then -a if it's prerelease 22:05:03 so complicated :( 22:05:15 apocalypserobin must have been great fun to be a part of 22:05:18 "great fun" 22:05:19 so that thing right htere is to restrict the version to things greater than 0.10-a 22:05:29 since sequell doesn't have proper version comparisons 22:05:35 just lexicographic string comparison 22:05:42 which got screwed up come 0.10-a 22:05:49 oops 22:05:55 er 22:05:59 greater than or equal to 0.10-a 22:06:36 i wonder how apocalypserobin handled hunger 22:06:41 oh vampire i guess "in some way i don't understand" 22:07:10 vampuires have speical hunger 22:07:24 i know, but don't you still need blotions of pood 22:07:27 *botions of plood 22:08:35 depends on what you mean by need 22:09:02 to not 22:09:03 die 22:10:54 strictly? no 22:10:57 vampires don't starve 22:11:11 they go bloodless, at which point they have full undead resists and don't regenerate naturally 22:11:37 that would explain why it could just spend a year in the temple then 22:14:05 -!- nortti has quit (Quit: nortti). 22:16:33 @tell monqy How do I use @ask? 22:16:33 Consider it noted. 22:17:52 @messages 22:17:52 elliott said 1m 19s ago: How do I use @ask? 22:18:04 @ask Gregor Am I allowed to @ask myself? 22:18:04 You can tell yourself! 22:18:36 You can tell yourself, but can you ask yourself? 22:18:45 @tell lambdabot You can tell yourself, but can you ask yourself? 22:18:45 Nice try ;) 22:19:00 @tell that I said hi 22:19:00 Consider it noted. 22:19:03 o.O 22:19:18 Well, that's not leaving the message queue anytime soon 22:19:27 why not? 22:19:41 monqy, can you nick to ? 22:19:46 -!- elliott has changed nick to that. 22:19:49 @messages? 22:19:49 Sorry, no messages today. 22:19:54 -!- that has changed nick to elliott. 22:19:58 you broke it 22:20:01 I can't read that character sgeo 22:20:03 what is it 22:20:06 or that characters 22:20:10 It's whatever it is that happens with Ctrl-O 22:20:14 In XChat 22:20:25 23:20 @print-notices 22:20:25 23:20 fromList [("\SI",(Nothing,[Note {noteSender = "Sgeo", noteContents = "that I said hi", noteTime = (1336513878,173020000000), noteType = Tell}])),[…] 22:20:27 congrates Sgeo 22:20:50 \SI? 22:20:56 \SI. 22:21:05 Si, \SI. 22:21:09 how do you spell si 22:21:15 it has a fancy accent right 22:21:25 si without fancy accent is if 22:21:27 iirc 22:24:00 sí 22:24:29 thanskfs monqy you're the greatest 22:24:38 Does s mean yes or no? 22:24:46 Wait, oops 22:24:50 sometimes 22:24:55 it means both 22:24:56 Does s mean yes? 22:25:06 except when it means no 22:25:15 Dangit, you know what I was trying to set up 22:25:23 dangit 22:25:32 dan 22:25:35 git 22:26:46 monqy: hi 22:27:20 hello 22:27:34 :( 22:32:47 too much sadness. 22:34:14 ok monqy. ok 22:34:23 hi?? 22:34:29 ( it is acceptable ) 22:35:08 monqy: dont worry! 22:38:41 -!- augur has joined. 22:39:09 monqy: who invented ##crawl 22:39:14 was it aliens : / 22:39:49 chanserv says the founder's rax 22:40:01 " sounds like aliens to me " 22:40:05 i meant invent in a more fundamental sense but 22:50:00 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:52:38 -!- augur has joined. 22:55:07 -!- Sgeo has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:55:45 -!- david_werecat has joined. 23:01:50 -!- Patashu has joined. 23:04:39 -!- elliott has changed nick to elliottc. 23:22:53 -!- ion has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 23:25:17 -!- ion has joined. 23:43:41 -!- nvt_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:44:17 -!- nvt has joined. 23:44:38 monqy: how much better is minor destruction than a dart anyway 23:44:45 it never seems to do much (not that darts do either) 23:44:57 are you training invo? I forget. 23:45:07 ive just started "not even worshipping makhleb yet" 23:45:12 oh 23:45:44 a big plus of minor destruction over darts: you dont have to lug darts around or pick them up or otherwise manage them 23:46:00 i use them rarely so 23:46:06 the losing hp thing is kind of annoying since 23:46:11 the prime use for them is annoying stuff that takes off lots of hp 23:46:16 erm 23:46:17 them as in 23:46:18 ranged stuff 23:46:19 for me 23:46:48 almost tried to go upstairs before going downstairs there to avoid a segfault 23:47:42 the hp loss from minor destruction is negligible 23:48:03 and it's mostly useful for finishing of fleeing things 23:48:28 gnoooooooooooolle 23:51:45 00:51 guardian spirit[1/1]: While wearing this amulet, damage you take is divided proportionately between MP and HP. Reduces magic to 0 on wearing. Note that a Deep Dwarf wearing this does not regain mana naturally. 23:51:48 well that's useless 23:51:51 unless i u 23:51:56 *uh 23:51:56 get a ring of magic or something 23:53:26 how is it useless 23:53:38 i had 23:53:39 ~0 mp 23:53:41 invocations skill gives you mp but makhleb invocations don't use mp 23:53:50 oh does it 23:53:50 so it's like free hp 23:54:00 good thing i died before realising that! 23:54:01 assuming you don't have a better amulet 23:54:01 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:54:04 or other uses for mp 23:55:16 ugh i 23:55:20 forgot i can't potion of mutation 23:55:29 how annoying 23:58:56 uhhhh 23:59:03 am i seriously dying to a hobgoblin in front of sigmund 23:59:38 answer: no 23:59:49 -!- augur has joined.