< 1336003436 459493 :wyldstallyns!3283c4ef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.131.196.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336004874 829320 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1336005056 816330 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336005077 988335 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1336005216 379846 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Client Quit < 1336005289 373407 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1336005751 841057 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336005760 749266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello; do you want................. < 1336007992 481439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Dungeons&Dragons game I will make it my character's job to write down everything about the haunted castle and so on, in a book to keep in the royal archives and in the library, so that next time anyone need to go in there, they can know what to expect < 1336008160 478614 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336008199 237758 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-59.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1336009629 469140 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336009813 928608 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1336009959 651166 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :messages? < 1336009959 806530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1336009969 286418 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1336009969 424452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 said 15h 54m 6s ago: elliott still has a box of beasts to use on zot:5 < 1336011500 727951 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com NICK :TodPunk < 1336012103 897212 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336015297 768225 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336018840 905685 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god someone actually tried to play the death waltz < 1336019115 336153 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1336020005 552031 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1336020383 395729 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log waltz < 1336020416 733272 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1336020419 760763 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log waltz < 1336020436 760417 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-08-26.txt:23:47:46: [20:52] Johnson Plays Waltz Citing Beethoven's "Your From Round Pittsburg?" Use Escalating Overalls You Damn Jackasses... Just kidding!" < 1336020475 295609 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log waltz < 1336020482 398938 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-07-11.txt:07:19:52: I missed the Death Waltz bit where the upper staff gets a note below the bottom staff on ledger lines :D < 1336020503 963236 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log waltz < 1336020510 466863 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-05-03.txt:04:47:55: `log waltz < 1336020521 852965 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog waltz < 1336020528 196290 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.24809 < 1336020538 129008 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1336020554 484416 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, there was an update at ??:10 < 1336020569 322743 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or so < 1336021045 867920 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCgT94A7WgI < 1336021206 38731 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, embedding disabled on request when I try to use youtuberepeat < 1336021213 611267 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it crashes when I try to view it normally < 1336021218 182181 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, FCUK < 1336021222 302795 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted < 1336021226 896430 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION opens Firfox < 1336021228 406230 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox < 1336021233 902920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336021263 122462 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I've seen this < 1336021407 523932 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, did they skip bar 7 correctly? < 1336021418 583992 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard ot tell < 1336021426 687797 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsurprisingly, it's difficult to follow along to the music < 1336021458 120334 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think they forgot to repeat the first "bar" 9 times < 1336021581 466746 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see that < 1336021610 168184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336022027 15965 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336023764 278433 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336024062 311394 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you see monqy's self-portrait of me? < 1336024102 895857 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336024108 294811 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you asked me that yesterday < 1336024113 654073 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the one with bonzi buddy? < 1336024176 283426 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott also drew a self-portrait of me with Bonzi Buddy. < 1336024181 807410 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But monqy drew a different one. < 1336024191 977844 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:38 < elliott> 19:18 08:05:37: Patashu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png < 1336024313 445039 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty great. < 1336024320 421962 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thonqy < 1336024358 308479 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1336024381 675531 :wyldstallyns!3283c4ef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.131.196.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you make a self-portrait of someone else < 1336024391 299345 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wyldstallyns: Just like monqy did it. < 1336025267 618229 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1336025733 825685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336025920 521802 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're very good < 1336026266 865630 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott I just found out about http://www.zincland.com/7drl/kobold/ from TVTropes. Have you tried it? < 1336026267 90912 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1336026314 289564 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone not tried smart kobold? < 1336026328 330602 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlep < 1336026334 279744 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whats smart kobold" < 1336026336 844890 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, I haven't heard of it until now < 1336026345 785731 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you live with yourself < 1336026349 884195 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, next ThinkPad X series will have a chiclet keyboard < 1336026353 436121 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/05/lenovo-thinkpad-with-ivy-bridge-leaked/ < 1336026361 949115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336026415 774687 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chiclet? < 1336026457 557468 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHICLET KEYBOARD? MORE LIKE CHIC KEYBOARD, KORRECT? < 1336026468 533711 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiclet_keyboard < 1336026484 191968 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1336026578 107476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336026693 791378 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy has been UPDATEd < 1336026782 156815 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it used to mean a particularly shitty kind of rubber membrane keypad seen on tv remotes etc < 1336026810 440268 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's used to refer to laptop keyboards where individual keys are separated by empty space < 1336026818 634513 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the key mechanism is (in general) much better than those shitty membranes < 1336026828 801018 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thinkpad chiclet keyboard allegedly has the same mechanism as the classic thinkpad keyboard < 1336026849 429670 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using a Dell chiclet keyboard. < 1336026913 270229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336026963 219476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I have made a discovery! < 1336026982 980089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wireless around here is really buggy (apparently it's a router issue), and normally won't connect at all, or only for short periods of time < 1336026993 569331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's more likely to connect immediately after the computer is rebooted < 1336027017 581011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems that I can replicate that same high success chance by a rmmod/insmod on the wi-fi driver kernel module < 1336027025 216633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could seriously save me a lot of time if it works < 1336027041 833720 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I once considered making an alias for "sudo sh -c 'rmmod iwlwifi; modprobe iwlwifi'" < 1336027047 606716 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it never leaves my command line history. < 1336027052 465799 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I didn't get around to doing it. < 1336027085 83302 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i have a script for that < 1336027099 540959 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on linux you should look into whether your card tries to support 802.11n < 1336027101 754630 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if so, disable it < 1336027108 861658 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that improved reliability a lot on one machine i tried < 1336027155 578562 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My card keeps developing exciting new bugs. < 1336027183 594483 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under Ubuntu it was relatively stable once I got everything set up. Here in Debian it seems to break in subtly different ways on every few-week upgrade. < 1336027189 627023 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the reverse of kmc's experience, I think. < 1336027222 655153 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1336027226 539150 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :debian unstable? < 1336027236 247361 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never used ubuntu on my own machine for a long stretch of time < 1336027250 143256 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in VMs and on other people's machines here and there < 1336027274 188910 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think even debian unstable doesn't update the kernel that often? < 1336027274 292918 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing. < 1336027277 385588 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1336027287 99443 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could pin the kernel to a specific version < 1336027294 274337 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have to do with the fact that I'm using a monstrosity of a system around the kernel. < 1336027452 457608 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/02/bosch-drowsiness-detection-system-to-make-alertness-tech-more-common/ < 1336027549 599912 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the world demands people to drive while sleepy < 1336027560 390515 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how so < 1336027589 902526 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't feel like getting xmonad set up so I just tried to reproduce my lazy GNOME setup from before. < 1336027593 966807 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But GNOME 3. < 1336027607 46425 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I'm running xfce but with gnome-settings-daemon because I wanted something that gnome-settings-daemon did. < 1336027618 558505 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also I'm running both NetworkManager and WICD at the same time, I think? < 1336027640 833792 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds inadvisable < 1336027654 223467 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have a loop that runs "disable-capslock; xmodmap $REMAP_CAPSLOCK_THINGY" every two seconds, because xfce randomly interferes with GNOME's keyboard settings. < 1336027674 419341 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1336027687 439571 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just set xmonad up. < 1336027693 302168 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use wpa-supplicant, nothing higher level than that < 1336027705 933129 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to get GNOME 2 to a perfectly usable state. I don't need much out of my WM. < 1336027711 64360 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did they have to go mess it up? < 1336027736 805814 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because GNOME < 1336027790 8571 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1336027793 456200 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you run into trouble setting up xmonad, or just haven't got around to it? < 1336027812 60094 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what about plain xfce, no GNOME? < 1336027836 270949 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just haven't gotten around to it. < 1336027842 925283 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a really old xmonad.hs somewhere. < 1336027852 976583 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, upgrading those can be a pain < 1336027853 947206 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fine with that but gnome-settings-daemon did a few things that xfce didn't, or something. < 1336027866 831590 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there is another way to do those things < 1336027881 649499 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't involve getting goatfucked by GNOME < 1336027895 313512 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1336027901 977993 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it sounded like so much effort at the time. < 1336027904 488375 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really kind of a worrying state of affairs < 1336027915 905469 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like "set up multiple keyboard layouts without messing with Xorg.conf". < 1336027925 619673 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if GNOME is the main UI that's usable by beginners, but is hated and disowned by skilled programmers < 1336027935 664200 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :down that road lies PHP < 1336027976 798244 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a fair number of the skilled programmers i know run at least some parts of GNOME < 1336027980 576573 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe it's not so bad < 1336028004 92330 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really at the "don't care" stage. < 1336028016 793607 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want too much out of my WM. I mostly use full-screen windows anyway. < 1336028037 127089 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But GNOME 3 felt like an early beta or something -- so much was broken and the rest was uncustomizable. < 1336028141 335003 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: When are you going to write kmcwm? < 1336028163 725152 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was fun. < 1336028193 559472 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tech writing, had to write instructions on "any topic"... < 1336028201 510432 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I explained the basics of Magic. < 1336028292 477142 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Magic < 1336028296 66712 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does Magic work? < 1336028336 406717 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 pages for a basic primer on the subject, apparently. < 1336028347 589629 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by "basic" I mean I even omitted a card type. < 1336028352 369253 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fuck planeswalkers) < 1336028355 392630 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1336028432 916949 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that's 9 pages with fairly defaulty TeX formatting. Large margins, ToC, whole page taken up by a picture of a card... < 1336028436 279546 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, whatever. < 1336028513 243610 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, computer modern because I'm lazy and the professor seems to like everything else I've turned in in it. :P < 1336028547 290393 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LaTeX is a great way to get some unearned credibility < 1336028566 337931 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greater still when you're actually writing Pandoc. :P < 1336028572 37115 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is it as good as a clear plastic bider? < 1336028582 757247 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the dirtiest trick I ever pulled was, if I had a long sequence of algebraic manipulations, I would put the dodgiest step across a page break < 1336028585 544218 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: lol do you think the reader of this document will learn Magic as a result? < 1336028597 38089 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Quite plausibly. < 1336028599 341393 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: which input format? < 1336028603 193991 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dun dun dunnnnnn < 1336028606 337173 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Markdown. < 1336028612 568246 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's nice < 1336028624 362151 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Dodgy as in "unsure about it" or "don't feel like writing it out"? < 1336028642 647052 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like writing TeX, but much much easier on me. < 1336028690 5755 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsure < 1336028719 105111 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked using markdown for beamer slides < 1336028731 455891 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i did run into some limitations (which could have been fixed by writing a pandoc module, probably) < 1336028745 855759 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it takes pdflatex a long time to compile 100 slides! < 1336028757 403055 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i do another presentation I will seriously consider breaking it up and stitching the resulting pdfs < 1336028763 207881 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should've used that slidy thing! < 1336028766 768984 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a makefile < 1336028778 109607 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: *shrug* I've had bad experiences with HTML slideshows in the past < 1336028789 567956 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... I've been running my whole thing through Tup. < 1336028795 102195 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Tup? < 1336028819 540945 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Build automation tool, vaguely like make with better algorithms behind it. < 1336028843 371869 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the nicest feature is its monitor, which can automatically rebuild stuff when the source has changed. < 1336028848 636851 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought it was the thing that puts multiple Postscript pages on a single printed page. < 1336028856 901097 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1336028859 788949 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gittup.org/tup/\ < 1336028862 655752 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1336028863 645640 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1336028863 722265 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gittup.org/tup/ < 1336028865 670377 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing. < 1336028871 623271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is psnup. < 1336028879 969990 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1336028884 236085 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of "2-up". < 1336028904 234971 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typically like using it as I dev for fairly quick feedback on things. < 1336028912 762051 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing if something compiles is as easy as :w < 1336028941 956126 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually do that by hand with inotifywait < 1336028947 959352 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hand" < 1336028976 180370 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame that TeX building is a royal pain to automate with it, though. < 1336028993 974802 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as TeX spews files all over the place and sometimes needs to run multiple times...) < 1336028997 24302 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336029004 851317 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's little opportunity for partial recompilation < 1336029009 496298 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have just a flat document < 1336029026 533102 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame that TeX is what it is. < 1336029040 360359 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So good and so bad all at the same time. < 1336029072 986986 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good enough that no one will ever replace it, or something. < 1336029075 299909 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336029096 16615 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along one dimension, at least. < 1336029124 465522 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its output is good enough that it'd be really hard to even come close. < 1336029146 867551 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's the most popular Pascal program around these days. < 1336029174 779606 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1336029179 584053 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's the only one on my system. < 1336029234 838763 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does tup know which files etc. your compiler read? < 1336029240 139009 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it use something like ptrace < 1336029242 357471 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Did you know execl("/usr/bin/tex", NULL); // => Segmentation fault < 1336029246 6456 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think it uses FUSE? < 1336029252 400678 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaa < 1336029261 352272 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/gittup/fuse < 1336029271 552487 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Linux, it creates a FUSE filesystem in a dot directory, and runs the command there. < 1336029282 142075 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Windows, it does some hack similar to LD_PRELOAD. < 1336029300 165882 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If LD_PRELOAD and/or ptrace is acceptable why can't it do that for both? < 1336029318 172661 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUSe seems like overkill. < 1336029328 782729 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1336029331 56133 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUSE is quite a bit better than LD_PRELOAD for the purpose. I bet ptrace would work decently, though. < 1336029348 386637 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, does ptrace work on OS X? < 1336029350 725292 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are various situations where LD_PRELOAD would fail < 1336029355 529868 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently ptrace sucks on OS X < 1336029360 705760 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are other Mach interfaces you can use < 1336029369 264476 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUSE works on every remaining UNIX, though. < 1336029374 147764 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1336029383 573782 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I guess it's more reasonable in Windows because LD_PRELOAD-hookable functions are the *only* portable way to access the filesystem. < 1336029398 223725 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry, every remaining UNIX *but OpenBSD*. < 1336029405 334893 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Solaris have FUSE? < 1336029410 200899 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1336029414 789808 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(come on guys, even Hurd has FUSE!) < 1336029433 711223 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurd *is* FUSE, man < 1336029434 64885 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336029434 768860 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1336029437 336567 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about actual Unix®? Does it work on Unix®? < 1336029442 146499 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get Mosh working on Hurd < 1336029449 22330 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they implemented FUSE by making a wrapper library. < 1336029453 89868 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a laff < 1336029471 884380 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be a supported platform for Debian wheezy! < 1336029473 805027 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much time, so little to do! < 1336029479 313816 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It doesn't get more actual than the BSDs. < 1336029491 187849 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: It -- does, doesn't it? < 1336029508 718597 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does AIX have FUSE? < 1336029518 64388 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean AT&T Unix. < 1336029520 68641 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but can you call that "remaining"? < 1336029529 101100 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :latest stable release October 2011 < 1336029532 508756 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to Wikipedia < 1336029536 625195 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Nah. < 1336029538 476224 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought you meant "remaining after you rule out Linux". < 1336029547 549476 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Bah, humbug. < 1336029550 256901 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :latest release of HP-UX was last month! < 1336029563 63240 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant "remaining" as in "not dead or effectively so". < 1336029588 677185 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because your hippie friends can't afford a real UNIX doesn't mean they're dead < 1336029591 680946 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1336029607 517490 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strictly speaking, that was 2007. < 1336029617 958546 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HP is just contractually obligated to provide patches until 2013. < 1336029618 785307 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs SCO OpenUNIX. < 1336029628 203838 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a MINIX release in February < 1336029635 8821 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, MINIX 3. < 1336029636 630507 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's real. < 1336029638 286284 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-243-105.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1336029642 904491 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, MINIX. Yeah, that doesn't have FUSE. < 1336029643 80623 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so HP-UX will actually go away in 2013? < 1336029647 237093 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As real as HURD, anyway. < 1336029651 746170 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1336029654 177729 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/6.828/2011/xv6.html < 1336029658 330343 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIX will stay around forever. < 1336029665 848615 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully. < 1336029684 571930 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't actually read the xv6 source, JOS is more interesting < 1336029685 628512 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before that, they released in 2003, then 2002, 2001, 2000, 1997, 1996, 1995, 1992, 1991... And so on. < 1336029714 550396 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1991 was a good year. < 1336029718 954634 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that at least *suggests* HP-UX isn't going to last. < 1336029739 259922 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it's for PA-RISC and Itanium machines only. < 1336029750 421958 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336029764 433208 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA "dead" and "only technically alive", respectively. < 1336029770 433210 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOS is pretty neat < 1336029778 214461 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you implement copy-on-write fork() in userspace! < 1336029783 251716 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel gives you just enough rope to do so < 1336029793 211490 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336029794 453553 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the last PA-RISC came out in 2005. Some 3 orders of magnitude ago.) < 1336029799 740909 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's JOS? < 1336029813 160497 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in MIT's 6.828 you write portions of an OS named JOS < 1336029823 179139 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the materials are all online; you should check it out < 1336029837 116862 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, a teaching OS sort of thing. < 1336029844 69994 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336029865 821556 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks neat. < 1336029870 233870 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should learn more about this topic. < 1336029871 38582 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out why AIX is still alive, but then, this is IBM. < 1336029874 40896 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they call it an "exokernel" < 1336029884 696417 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was never clear to me exactly what this means < 1336029898 909409 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They support a 50 year old ISA. < 1336029923 412576 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they designed that ISA at the outset knowing they would support it for 50 years :D < 1336029929 870443 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :System/360? < 1336029934 646318 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336029955 25983 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Oh, wow, I can believe they did. < 1336029957 148596 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, they've extended it a lot, and now include support for 3 address sizes < 1336029958 567455 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was meant from the beginning to be a kind of virtual thing that would upgrade to newer hardware < 1336029963 719022 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :32-bit addressing in *1964*?!? < 1336029965 489352 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol 31 bit architecture < 1336029978 483633 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: it started as 24-bit < 1336030002 557264 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, I'm confusing 360 and 370 again < 1336030009 334918 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'm discussing the ISA, not early implementations thereof. < 1336030012 261014 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i am too < 1336030036 933860 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ISA allowed 32-bit addresses even though the early chips didn't work when you went beyond 2^24. < 1336030065 668604 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is ridiculous. < 1336030069 221477 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like x86-64 today < 1336030122 142594 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the primitive IPC message in JOS is a machine int plus optionally a page mapping < 1336030126 682709 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you could operate on 128-bit values. < 1336030157 482192 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I think early ones couldn't do arithmetic or anything like that on them) < 1336030175 803333 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :early IBM machines had hardware support for pre-decimal British £sd money < 1336030200 609047 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1336030215 126413 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact there were several different formats for storing same < 1336030220 300574 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you could select with a front panel knob < 1336030240 569043 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish my computer had knobs. :-( < 1336030306 433123 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And blinkenlights? < 1336030366 283447 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun stuff about z/Architecture is that you have something like 19 address spaces you can switch between and access with special instructions < 1336030410 504239 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/IBM_1401_Control_Panel.jpg < 1336030415 651460 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IBM PENCE BSI SHILL" < 1336030422 203703 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :home, primary, secondary, plus 16 "Access Registers" < 1336030440 809160 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit, 31-bit... Presumably also 24-bit, just in case someone needs to run really weird FORTRAN, and? < 1336030451 463079 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, address spaces, not schemes. < 1336030464 647222 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can attach some knobs and blinkenlights quite easily < 1336030479 593692 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had an analog CPU meter for a while < 1336030488 606476 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never asked for blinkenlichten. < 1336030501 756561 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This computer has three pseudo-buttons. < 1336030504 63392 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgZEfExBBiY < 1336030507 941633 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them sends Super-X. < 1336030529 827135 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them dims the screen by slightly less than the regular Fn-dim-screen button. < 1336030555 741609 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The third one pops up a big ⊘ on the screen. < 1336030589 457133 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sounds incredibly useful < 1336030606 453270 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't it just? < 1336030616 258425 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I need to get my laundry from Outside. < 1336030621 197618 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That's awesome. < 1336030639 71460 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there used to be a Ksplice blog post about how i made it < 1336030640 173357 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pouts < 1336030647 989142 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's just an arduino and a resistor and a small python script < 1336030669 533930 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone on reddit was like "LAME Y DIDN'T U TAP CPU POWER PINS N00B" < 1336030677 726503 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't change the awesome. < 1336030679 2734 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an ammeter, you see < 1336030691 933982 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tap CPU power pins? Eeeek. < 1336030709 315747 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laser cutter has a meter on the front panel < 1336030711 985355 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :labeled "Amperemeter" < 1336030713 320090 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336030718 804598 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Analog is the new digital. < 1336030719 647705 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that ugly serif font used for Latin letters in Chinese fonts < 1336030726 508645 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the same font is on the rest of the front panel) < 1336030734 269430 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't say anywhere what component it's measuring the amperes of < 1336030770 820729 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the lid interlock switch doesn't work, I should do something about that < 1336030782 18451 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, ugly-large monospace. < 1336030814 936482 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: an awesome suckless CPU meter, done right, that celebrates craftsmanship < 1336030867 228297 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude < 1336030886 603318 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336030950 472835 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think it's cool to have an OS where the lowest level idea of how to send data around involves zero-copy transfers of page mappings < 1336030968 502773 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are probably some "real" microkernels that do this too < 1336030978 780489 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that what L4's known for? < 1336030997 336285 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1336031014 489237 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess so < 1336031019 501908 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I came across a job ad that looked vaguely interesting today, but then I saw that it was for Ksplice. < 1336031025 878953 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1336031026 948057 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1336031045 44574 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear people are still pretty happy there < 1336031048 61129 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could move to boston < 1336031051 70957 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also not move to boston < 1336031090 212334 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's so great why aren't you there? < 1336031099 999804 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always better on holiday < 1336031104 73870 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why we only work when we need the money < 1336031131 315017 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And on holiday we port mosh to GNU/HURD. < 1336031136 491067 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336031138 622665 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1336031183 362033 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to get my laundry. < 1336031192 363351 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how the cost of a 4kB memory copy compares to the overhead involved in mapping a new page < 1336031232 297152 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336031269 989352 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on x86 you mostly have to flush the TLB when context switching anyway < 1336031280 4078 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely? < 1336031284 425892 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, so some of that mapping overhead can be made to disappear into things that you have to do "anyway" < 1336031289 460313 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could hurt when the two processes are running simultaneously on different cores < 1336031296 120543 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you need to do an IPI to tell the other guy to flush his TLB < 1336031297 313687 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fun < 1336031307 625931 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can also do new mappings / increased privileges lazily < 1336031317 399596 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, 4kiB memory copy also messes with cache. 4kiB is a lot of cache. < 1336031339 451508 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: at the cost of at least one fault in the future < 1336031341 32018 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on architectures with tagged TLBs, it might be more painful relatively speaking < 1336031344 290528 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336031353 159244 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336031381 322847 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, my L1 is 512k... < 1336031404 243040 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336031628 219147 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's what those non-temporal move instructions are for < 1336031667 463223 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the TLB flush is a constant cost, while memory copy is not < 1336031670 745151 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is probably a break-even point < 1336031714 970949 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether 4kB is still a reasonable page size these days. < 1336031731 393672 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like there are a lot of things that huge pages are reasonable for. < 1336031740 211032 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why Linux now supports them. < 1336031747 762424 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1336031756 312230 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess it does the transparent huge pages thing these days. < 1336031760 737141 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1336031763 283407 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in theory. < 1336031769 950429 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automagic 2MiB pages if you turn it on. < 1336031818 609731 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi linux < 1336031827 111519 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You should draw a self-portrait of kmc. < 1336031842 854391 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1336031847 409492 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1336031919 374807 :wyldstallyns!3283c4ef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.131.196.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't draw self portraits of other people < 1336031924 57207 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PowerPC supports like 1 GB pages, doesn't it? < 1336031934 550068 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 does too, some models anyway < 1336031934 880701 :wyldstallyns!3283c4ef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.131.196.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't write someone else's autobiography < 1336031937 259913 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 16GB? < 1336031951 203399 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PowerPC also has a crazy half-hard-filled "inverted page table" TLB < 1336031953 196939 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some architecture that supported that, anyway. < 1336031970 983119 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86-64 does 1GiB. < 1336031978 539846 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION added huge page support to JOS, but only for the kernel direct mapping < 1336031984 503403 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 could do 4TB pages by using a flag in the same manner it does 2MB/1GB pages < 1336032005 30087 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, 512GB pages < 1336032145 715054 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux also has a thing to transparently merge pages with the same content < 1336032178 381068 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1336032184 110243 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it find them? < 1336032186 655544 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :for pages that aren't all-zero too? < 1336032204 819493 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1336032215 920166 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: by scanning all of memory periodically < 1336032220 428979 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's not enabled by default... < 1336032230 737781 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can improve memory consumption dramatically on machines hosting a large number of similar VMs < 1336032257 780683 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, hmm. < 1336032363 760051 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's enabled by default *but* only scans pages with the appropriate madvise() set. < 1336032386 799269 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_SamePage_Merging_(KSM) ? < 1336032387 656781 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah < 1336032390 645004 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MADV_MERGEABLE, apparently. < 1336032484 961081 :ais523_!~ais523@147.188.254.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336032490 712779 :ais523_!~ais523@147.188.254.178 QUIT :Changing host < 1336032490 730935 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336032490 731086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1336032503 185798 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1336032743 637487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336032748 494310 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336032755 934065 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1336033087 640945 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Was there a verdict about mosh mouse? < 1336033102 713106 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were just talking about that in #mosh < 1336033123 354935 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the verdict is that it's a mess and i don't want to do it < 1336033124 234884 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/keithw/mosh/issues/101 < 1336033134 934233 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes, you were. < 1336033142 733785 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is #mosh the place to be? < 1336033182 568367 :Zuu_!zuu@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336033252 149457 :Lymee!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1336033293 589334 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :*.net *.split < 1336033293 756902 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1336033294 75569 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw QUIT :*.net *.split < 1336033331 406278 :qfr!~kafir@death.to.religion.info.gf JOIN :#esoteric < 1336033507 213783 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it is... a place to be < 1336033523 594244 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get a mosh project hostname cloak < 1336033528 981473 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i failed to discover how to do that < 1336033542 941218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you have to ask the group contact for the projet < 1336033544 887212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*project < 1336033548 787589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be identified on freenode < 1336033587 194155 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i find out who the group contact for a project is < 1336033592 99259 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be me < 1336033594 930297 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the founder of #mosh < 1336033646 133688 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: SOunds like you're in trouble. < 1336033651 507157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a group contact? the channel would have to be registered with Freenode < 1336033658 910861 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be like drawing a self-portrait of *yourself*. < 1336033662 541836 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A self-self-portrait. < 1336033667 804416 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, man < 1336033669 524595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just with chanserv, but with the people in charge of running the servers < 1336033678 945209 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1336033715 544666 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Freenode FAQ talks about it, but it seems to be down. < 1336033720 532474 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336033721 901775 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably has something to do with the splits. < 1336033734 787201 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :netshits < 1336033804 780483 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?strip=1&q=cache:freenode.net/faq.shtml < 1336033835 401357 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get a cloak. < 1336033883 540669 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :paperwork :/ < 1336033944 105349 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make elliott an op he would take care of the paperwork for you. < 1336033949 648812 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He would also go crazy and ban everybody. < 1336033963 659152 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i... won't do that < 1336034012 777812 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually he probably wouldn't do either of those things. < 1336034051 414419 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have to be affiliated with MIT to get a .mit.edu subdomain for your project? < 1336034122 762561 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know exactly what the rules are < 1336034129 99331 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :affiliation is a slippery thing at MIT < 1336034156 869183 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try to get one. I was in an MIT building once. < 1336034166 878663 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably good for seeming legitimate. < 1336034208 932786 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :many student groups will let you join without ever having been officially affiliated with MIT < 1336034219 843828 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can also sponsor an Athena account for you, whether or not you join their group < 1336034229 234178 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if that alone is enough to get domain names < 1336034386 378692 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, it is good for seeming legitimate < 1336034398 297142 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least one person told us they would have assumed our software is insecure if not for the .mit.edu domain name < 1336035143 581408 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336035410 670840 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I guess I would need to move to Boston. < 1336036506 248845 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to join an MIT club? < 1336036722 116132 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not. < 1336036727 298744 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did a SIPB thing here once. < 1336036776 280110 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, really? < 1336036777 486081 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it < 1336036809 205253 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could move to Cambridge or Somerville or Brookline instead < 1336036868 485346 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Newton < 1336036877 339267 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other such places < 1336036939 909915 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIPB hackathon at Stripe in Palo Alto. < 1336036960 81856 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did they hack on? < 1336036962 385190 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debathena? XVM? < 1336036972 386389 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they just had a bunch of people go there. < 1336036983 854710 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that there was an overarching thing. < 1336037042 106750 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should join SIPB < 1336037053 487518 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how much effort this would take < 1336039475 864480 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-225-103.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1336039481 470494 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-113-160.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336039684 420325 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-116-225.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1336039763 916056 :cheater!~cheater@g229020248.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1336039893 60864 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1336040560 330506 :cheater!~cheater@g230222243.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1336041214 236765 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1336041440 408320 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-113-160.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336041468 65845 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-120-34.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336043328 137572 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336043596 132797 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336043853 112541 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336043874 92720 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Super Mario Bros (along with many other Nintendo games) was proved to be NP-hard by Greg Aloupis, Erik Demaine and Alan Guoyz.[64]" :-D < 1336043890 468245 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.1895v1.pdf < 1336043915 103672 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336043939 447107 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336043996 894224 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :includes a section on pokemon < 1336044147 728485 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-120-34.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1336044708 310495 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-7.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336045055 976598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1336045276 125696 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1336045388 288550 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-32-248.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1336045931 859208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336046071 573327 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-225-103.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1336046814 135995 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-234-209.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336046981 523909 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-7.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1336047077 561173 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-122-201.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336047163 486094 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-234-209.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1336047439 444974 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-18.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336047631 451462 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-122-201.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1336048581 133312 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-112-39.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336048723 360315 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-18.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1336049087 331598 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-112-39.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1336049254 41464 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-86.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336049326 159730 :absentswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1336049341 723213 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336049349 163395 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1336049431 82694 :absentswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1336049449 424804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Ngevd < 1336049463 603840 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see my half-esolang? < 1336049555 124841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was its name? < 1336049564 803993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's half-name. < 1336049568 352792 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :User:Taneb/Lowgate and Dilston < 1336049571 208582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: the Pokémon proof is actually incorrect, due to a glitch in Pokémon first generation < 1336049575 240680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: no, I didn't < 1336049576 296259 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've posted Lowgate < 1336049581 581332 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still need to define Dilston < 1336049593 444515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a chance that the exploding voltorbs will miss altogether; also, the gastly will level up from them < 1336049610 643646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and levelling up an l1 gastly takes it to l100, unless it gains a lot of exp all at once < 1336049617 906511 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the Collatz conjecture is false, at least one of Lowgate and Dilston is Turing-complete < 1336049674 15894 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lowgate for infinite trajectories, Dilston for cycles) < 1336049746 604942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: the mere fact you made that statement makes me optimistic that this esolang won't be the usual rubbish that gets added to the wiki < 1336049801 645453 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1336049812 780486 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lowgate is a Suffolk derivative, I'm afraid < 1336049823 58937 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Dilston will probably be a derivative of something else < 1336050349 639429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, Suffolk is not a boring language to make derivatives of, yet anyway < 1336050462 269174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: err, Suffolk doesn't depend on infinitely many accessible cells to work < 1336050467 90278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, you can access only a finite number < 1336050516 425821 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn. < 1336050523 205332 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here was me being all clever < 1336050579 500940 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually... < 1336050845 91657 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's good it's still in userspace < 1336050941 418509 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336050956 646600 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is the second time I've been annoyed at one of my languages being /too/ turing-complete < 1336051890 96251 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-123-229.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336051999 99096 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-86.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1336052396 822460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1336052451 319894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think David.werecat has the "Mark all edits minor by default" option on :P < 1336052451 500726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1336052488 912465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:41 Sgeo said 7h 16m 25s ago: I just found out about http://www.zincland.com/7drl/kobold/ from TVTropes. Have you tried it? < 1336052489 264143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: go into the database and turn it off < 1336052493 694170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: kobolds aren't smart & i like them < 1336052496 534941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was going to ;) < 1336052505 397341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and Smart Kobolds, you should try that, I've been meaning to for quite a while < 1336052518 94212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't want to kill kobolds, and kobolds aren't smart! < 1336052525 567924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if Jeff Lait originally created it as a combination of making a point, and trolling < 1336052534 84267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what point? < 1336052591 439776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, MediaWiki 1.19 is out < 1336052623 964327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that better AI does not necessarily make for a better game < 1336052965 101002 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-112-137.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336053056 627295 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-123-229.as43234.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1336053858 181746 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336053872 781519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1336055499 383695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb You should make Lowgate true iff Collatz is false, and Dilston true iff Collatz is true. < 1336055499 542313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1336055517 857144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: prepare the fire extinguishers, please < 1336055530 266860 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm right here < 1336055542 40502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Ngevd You should make Lowgate true iff Collatz is false, and Dilston true iff Collatz is true. < 1336055542 210186 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1336055550 555497 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1336055550 725119 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 8s ago: You should make Lowgate true iff Collatz is false, and Dilston true iff Collatz is true. < 1336055555 692658 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1336055563 145996 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-messages < 1336055563 305229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared. < 1336055567 54084 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net NICK :Ngevd < 1336055569 748868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you had other messages??? < 1336055577 729665 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad. < 1336055587 834696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Too bad." -- Ngevd, horrible. < 1336055594 41809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I'm going to break the wiki! < 1336055598 634416 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1336055618 318873 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yay!" -- Ngevd, still horrible. < 1336055973 80832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Will you do that? < 1336055980 309352 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not < 1336055993 261838 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any way of making a language that's iff either way < 1336056018 621863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Well, you could make it so that the only way to get new storage is to go to the next element in the Collatz sequence. < 1336056025 713575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where variables are identified by integers.) < 1336056038 447885 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the current version of Lowgate < 1336056054 957150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, if every sequence reaches 1, every program gets a finite amount of memory. < 1336056055 128994 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, the Collatz conjecture is also false if there is a positive loop other than 1-4-2-1 < 1336056073 911574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but a loop also stops you getting infinite memory. < 1336056077 279391 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if there's a loop but no infinite ascent, that wouldn't be turing complete < 1336056078 519030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you'll just loop through the same few variables. < 1336056089 927237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1336056092 803687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point. < 1336056100 64157 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the two languages < 1336056325 582578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Pang. < 1336056592 117394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: gnap? < 1336056610 900208 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think the response is pung?) < 1336056620 116740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care I@m too tired < 1336056643 771495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't care I@m too tired" -- ais523, 2012 < 1336056658 898106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :""I don't care I@m too tired" -- ais523, 2012" — elliott, 2012 < 1336056667 925973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, I got the em dash treatment. < 1336056670 53195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's classy. < 1336056671 120007 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you're something to do with education in Birmingham, right? < 1336056678 390363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 *is* education in Birmingham. < 1336056685 476154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I spent much of the morning marking exams < 1336056699 924165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I spent the time from around 6am to around 7am reading Usenet and fixing aimake < 1336056706 898001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anyway, I'm going to make Esolang's MediaWiki sourced from git so that upgrading is less annoying. < 1336056709 693736 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can you reccomend Birmingham University? < 1336056717 136727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Should I use the WMF branches or the MediaWiki tags? < 1336056721 11309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*release tags? < 1336056735 410583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: *reccommendd < 1336056759 553353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: for what? it depends on what subject you're doing < 1336056769 158603 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maths, most likely < 1336056770 72432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gymnastics and dog theory < 1336056771 991081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the atmosphere here, at least < 1336056780 718422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: You're not doing gymnastics and dog theory??? < 1336056788 706871 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't have the GCSEs. < 1336056790 825432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're coming here next year, you should do maths and CS so I can teach you :) < 1336056813 237820 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, September 2013? < 1336056843 929836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, it'd probably have to be september 2012 unless they decide that they have to hire me for another year in an emergency < 1336056876 18085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :their problem is that the budget is too small to hire new staff or even retain existing staff, also that they don't really have enough teaching staff < 1336056888 598099 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sucks? < 1336056900 303535 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, tell me how things go < 1336056910 759052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're putting me in charge of the first year Java course next year (rather than just teaching it without being in charge) because they can't find anyone else with the knowledge to do the job < 1336056924 453289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I pointed out that it'd only last for one more year before my contract expires < 1336056950 858345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that they're not paying much more than minimum wage < 1336056960 793568 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1336057020 358944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the person who was doing it before they kept on for a year, maybe two years, after their PhD because he'd become so essential to the running of the department < 1336057028 187363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing you're WOLFRAM RICH* < 1336057033 867386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think he only left because Aston University poached him by offering more money < 1336057034 934674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not rich, by analogy with "Wolfram science", etc. < 1336057053 562257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: meh, it paid for three years of my education and living costs, that's a reasonably significant amount < 1336057146 417629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, ais523 didn't answer my question :'( < 1336057415 395066 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how desperate is Birmingham University for students? < 1336057422 326866 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-198-36.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336057433 748517 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-152.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336057455 802706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: depends on the subject < 1336057466 610682 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For CS and Maths < 1336057469 626636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have ridiculously large numbers of students in some departments, like electronics < 1336057479 494713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*like economics < 1336057486 400235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have to bribe them for others, like engineering < 1336057507 524001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Go wherever Phantom_Hoover's going and become the ultimate brickbraining team. < 1336057524 134691 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, Cambridge!? < 1336057539 57789 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like there maths syllabus < 1336057539 558255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for CS, I think they get enough applications that they can afford to be selective < 1336057542 935294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think Cambridge rejected him. < 1336057547 712291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because he's Scottish. < 1336057549 482979 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, okay < 1336057561 16694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's some place in the middle of nowhere in Scotland. < 1336057584 697350 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he got into a Scottish universities, I can pretend to be Dutch to get university for free < 1336057668 737005 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, I'm beginning to think of universities < 1336057693 92189 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've just accidentally opened Rome Total War, brb < 1336057700 837008 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B0C.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336057707 900852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 15:52 ais523: Should I use the WMF branches or the MediaWiki tags? < 1336057708 775937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336057731 449801 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-244-235.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1336057747 903436 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1336057764 283727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I actually don't know < 1336057792 945508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: scottish universities have a bunch of advantages over english universities (well, the main one is to do with cost) < 1336057812 629897 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time TO CLAIM TO BE DUTCH < 1336057817 766337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the WMF branches will be more up-to-date and the like, but they might be a bit less stable. (Even if they are used on Wikipedia, the WMF employs a bunch of sysadmins to fix it when it breaks.) < 1336057826 806331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'd have to update less with the release tags. < 1336058454 342637 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336058630 449463 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1336058655 243847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336058665 193722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336058728 211916 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how much is university typically in the UK? < 1336058744 699235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I don't know, because it was massively increased recently (as in, since I went there) < 1336058756 434410 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much was it when you went < 1336058757 343201 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1336058757 512739 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :£9000 a year < 1336058761 944998 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now < 1336058769 938002 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maximum, not including living costs) < 1336058773 125121 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1336058783 747553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: £1150, but I got a £1000 discount the first year, and £500 subsequent years, for good academic performance < 1336058789 48689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, this doesn't include living costs < 1336058791 555255 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheaper than US, I believe < 1336058795 637778 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: true < 1336058806 958003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: although you get a low-interest loan for the full amount and don't have to pay it back until you start earning money < 1336058819 740507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it basically ends up equivalent to a percentage tax that stops being charged eventually < 1336058821 724294 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's the same here < 1336058832 600800 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually < 1336058846 719549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the government had flavoured it as that, they'd probably get a lot less flak for it; it pretty much single-handedly sank the Liberal Democrat party < 1336058848 394136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"University costs in X are better than the US" is a tautology for all X =/= US. < 1336058859 217202 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1336058871 446627 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Domestic tuition here is cheaper, than that, but international tuition is more. < 1336058880 526245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think what sank the lib dems is doing that *because they said they wouldn't*. < 1336058924 78259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the ridiculous thing is that what the lib dems were actually proposing was strictly worse for the students < 1336058927 570508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think that's the only reason the Lib Dems are fucked, though.) < 1336058931 554383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just none of them paid attention < 1336058962 324035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It still isn't very good for trust if you explicitly do something you campaigned on the premise of not doing, though. < 1336058971 531957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1336058981 303053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*promise (although premise works too) < 1336058988 600902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, what I'm saying is that the government pulled a stupid move in not using the conservative proposal with the lib dem flavour < 1336058997 476886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would have kept pretty much everyone happy < 1336059007 541595 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about £12500/yr for an international student at my school < 1336059010 324734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the people who want tuition fees to be abolished altogether < 1336059023 849780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the Conservatives are getting a terrible reputation as well as the Lib Dems. < 1336059082 708571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess next time we'll elect the BNP or something on account of nobody liking the big three any more. < 1336059106 855535 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elect the omrlp < 1336059124 442499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: They're indistinguishable from all the other parties. < 1336059125 117674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you realise that there's a Green MP atm, right? < 1336059137 847816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sign that people are taking fourth options seriously < 1336059139 514466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, coalition of the Greens and NBP. < 1336059141 991808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BNP < 1336059146 421964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The Best Government Ever(TM). < 1336059151 498228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd never go into coalition with each other < 1336059157 242144 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, needs more George Galloway < 1336059165 570222 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, I didn't realize you guys got a green mp too < 1336059176 605684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: we never do, except this time we did < 1336059191 149407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Green-BNP coalition might work out, on account of the government wouldn't be able to do a single thing. < 1336059195 638396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she picked her seat very carefully, it was a case of picking the seat they thought they were most likely to win and then focusing a load of campaign effort on it < 1336059212 37512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, we should have a pirate party/ninja party coalition < 1336059219 57799 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ninja party is a thing? < 1336059224 255731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336059229 874302 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: same here < 1336059235 241469 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make it a thing? < 1336059246 61653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: what would its policies even be? < 1336059259 289847 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :she picked her riding well < 1336059260 366944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pro-copyright < 1336059264 70600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anti-talk like a pirate day < 1336059278 783877 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :move like a ninja day < 1336059282 316752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think they'd be defined by being the exact opposite of the pirate party < 1336059288 860628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'd be a parallel with different goals < 1336059298 503218 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Promoting language education? < 1336059301 648059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. apathetic about copyright and pirate speech, but very motivated about a couple of other issues < 1336059308 630133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In the same way that ninjas are analogous to pirates with different goals? < 1336059321 221068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more like they have the same goal but very different methods. < 1336059325 150600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The goal is killing people, or something. < 1336059327 267151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, OK < 1336059349 646826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ninjas should also be in favour of copyright reform, but instead of stealing it, would rather just massacre people who tried to enforce it? < 1336059351 719917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1336059354 803885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right! < 1336059360 477508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Stealing copyright reform?) < 1336059378 266051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: /illegally downloading/ copyright reform < 1336059382 571464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get your terminology right… < 1336059388 241839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're the one who said stealing! < 1336059399 582390 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with a ninja government is that they'd never be able to prove that the commons got quorum < 1336059410 218778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wouldn't download copyright reform... < 1336059422 102977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it's actually *steal. < 1336059425 821113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mind mentally fixed the advert. < 1336059430 254471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to physically fixing it. < 1336059486 784128 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is TIME to WALK my DOG < 1336059492 235086 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: walking dog < 1336059508 916815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always new Ngevd was a walking dog. < 1336059533 564731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*knew < 1336059651 364400 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's copyright violation for the rights in the fixation of a performance < 1336059667 317126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: wat < 1336059683 844812 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't have a PhD, right? < 1336059690 262962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has 523 < 1336059694 414275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'm currently obtaining one < 1336059695 598054 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my bad < 1336059696 999476 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1336059717 800631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Once you get a Ph.D., you should sign your emails "ais, 523 Ph.D.". < 1336059722 565566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And FOOL EVERYONE. < 1336059738 865048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, it's devious. < 1336059773 33578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr. s523 < 1336059784 961911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean you're an AI? < 1336059816 904950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1336059832 772645 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're researching programming languages, right? < 1336059855 51867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9243475/lists-c-homework/9247613#9247613 what a comment section < 1336059860 461971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'm researching compiling high-level languages to hardware, which involves inventing new ones < 1336059864 995340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: he's doing hardware programming language stuff < 1336059881 726347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there were no modern variants of algol specialised for hardware, oddly enough < 1336059888 404061 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1336059893 723619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :z < 1336059908 789784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote coppro: I'm researching compiling high-level languages to hardware, which involves inventing new ones because there were no modern variants of algol specialised for hardware, oddly enough < 1336059918 476862 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :852) coppro: I'm researching compiling high-level languages to hardware, which involves inventing new ones because there were no modern variants of algol specialised for hardware, oddly enough < 1336059936 759676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't expand the 128 more comments link without turning on JS < 1336059945 309044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the last comment above the fold is hilarious enough by itself < 1336059946 701310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're lucky < 1336059960 780416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, that's amazing < 1336059962 931434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of a few ways it could go from there; which did it actually do? < 1336059981 215863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eznme proceeded to spoon-feed beginnernato for a hundred comments < 1336059987 75298 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahahah < 1336059992 385102 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that question is totally from a UW student < 1336060004 831691 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that code is /definitely/ from our second CS course < 1336060010 690394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: legitimate info or trolling? < 1336060014 13406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION upvotes the last comment above the fold < 1336060023 416094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: legitimate (albeit academically dishonest on beginnernato's part, naturally) < 1336060034 122807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, I just ment on eznme's part < 1336060051 273568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and probably not too ethical on eznme's part by consequence) < 1336060051 335108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how does an answer get 128 comments and exactly 1 vote? < 1336060059 397247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because only two people are participating in it < 1336060065 449621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're using it as a chatroom < 1336060067 791230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, eznme may well turn out to be the prof who set the problem < 1336060080 859883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite the warning that will have appeared for about 120 of them < 1336060096 794895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it says, roughly, "don't use comments for extended discussion, if you click this link we'll turn it into a Stack Overflow chatroom for you") < 1336060222 794979 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eznme was definitely not the prof < 1336060290 14854 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prof almost certainly would not have given away the answers < 1336060300 145329 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not so quickly < 1336060337 110644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: there's several tales of profs giving away the answer immediately so that they could catch plagiarism red-handed if it was actually used unchanged < 1336060344 881613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although more commonly for essay-writing than in CS < 1336060428 785579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, running git as root < 1336060472 222695 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, huh < 1336060484 110193 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I appear to have gained several thousand reputation since last time I was visiting stackoverflow O_o < 1336060497 931861 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost 2k < 1336060499 365705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :several _thousand_? < 1336060504 321965 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336060510 169520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have an answer with 396 votes < 1336060512 335008 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336060512 662068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that probably explains i < 1336060513 730388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1336060521 170204 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it keeps getting more < 1336060525 74437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, from 2008 < 1336060531 450721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :viewed 64,682 times < 1336060534 675633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tagged [c++-faq] < 1336060536 417859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won the jackpot < 1336060556 301693 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1336060566 937832 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm nearly a moderator due largely to that question < 1336060577 430003 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS SYSTEM IS SMRT < 1336060578 850795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"moderator" generally refers to the elected moderators < 1336060583 281858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 10k moderator tools are... not as impressive < 1336060609 753054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mostly just get to see flags and to second or disagree with them (not act on them), and things like recently closed questions < 1336060618 800367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I think if I edited that post, it'd become community wiki and you'd stop getting any rep on it < 1336060626 950510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tempting why can't this client do bold < 1336060660 496831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you lose rep if a post you got rep for becomes community wiki? < 1336060669 186764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh no, you asked one of those terrible "What's your favourite X feature?" questions :( < 1336060675 75347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, you just stop getting any more rep < 1336060741 624205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks how http://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/05/01/2146232/android-ported-to-c is getting on < 1336060752 169887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that URL is misleading < 1336060754 775383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not loading, it seems < 1336060759 950386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it's missing the # < 1336060763 336735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the flamewars slashdotted slashdot < 1336060772 374391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, remember when everybody's servers sucked and slashdotting was a thing??? < 1336060782 175992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 503 < 1336060788 747468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, sort-of < 1336060794 840939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was only around for the tail end of it, though < 1336060801 402663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit still manages to slashdot sites now and again, though < 1336060801 564121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet nethack4.org could be slashdotted. < 1336060808 766600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1336060819 556765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's more because people don't know how to configure WordPress than reddit sending tons of traffic < 1336060823 212211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the patch-tag page on AceHack /was/ slashdotted < 1336060831 247717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, indeed < 1336060834 653508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it held up < 1336060837 109256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AceHack got on slashdot? < 1336060843 413759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep :) < 1336060848 103347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, as a standalone post? < 1336060852 177557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as part of a post about NetHack variants? < 1336060852 841423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a bunch of other variants < 1336060854 298923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter seems more believable < 1336060859 269256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1336060865 478300 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you edit it, it doesn't become community wiki unless you choose to make it so < 1336060875 601622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no, if it gets edited by 5 other people it becomes CW < 1336060881 972920 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1336060889 62627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but you can flag it to be put back by a moderator, if other people have only made minor edits) < 1336060898 812547 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1336060922 770625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(elected moderator again, not 10k) < 1336060937 82879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1336060951 819441 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1336060996 274763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@solidity:/srv/esolangs.org/www/mediawiki-new/extensions$ for ext in AbuseFilter AntiSpoof CheckUser ConfirmEdit Nuke ParserFunctions Renameuser Vector WikiEditor; do sudo git clone https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/extensions/$ext.git; done < 1336060998 38979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1336061025 694038 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is nuke? ban a user and rollback all their edits? < 1336061054 675920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mass deletes pages created by a certain user < 1336061062 975696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was designed for Wikipedia vandals and Esolang really has no use for it < 1336061067 227143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't not enable such a destructive extension < 1336061140 555748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1336061143 573774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does git track permissions? < 1336061149 244683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it tracks at least +x, I guess < 1336061206 519904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336061251 336006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1336061261 54708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my connection :( < 1336061882 971273 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336062113 879887 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No, I think Cambridge rejected him. < 1336062115 130299 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lies! < 1336062125 744400 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an offer, although it's not really a pleasant one. < 1336062138 734792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Offer: "Go die in a fire, you Scottish asswipe." < 1336062175 521761 :Zuu_!zuu@77.215.149.86 NICK :Zuu < 1336062206 178504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey shachaf, I'm reading a poor blog post about Haskell! < 1336062518 55022 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for some reason I'm downloading TortoiseSVN, except they've rigged the download page not to display if you're using an adblocker. < 1336062561 688015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Windows" — Phantom_Hoover < 1336062574 900322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, it just plain doesn't display. < 1336062606 49064 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're... right. < 1336062610 656772 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1336062627 627852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obviously trivial to find the downloads. < 1336062631 990779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why would you want TortoiseSVN? < 1336062651 482534 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some idiot mod authors decided to make theirs available through SVN. < 1336062664 571264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how is that idiotic? And since when does that mean you need to use TortoiseSVN? < 1336062683 246583 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm literally following the instructions on their website. < 1336062703 487513 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also c'mon, mods are not exactly aimed at a demographic who can use SVN. < 1336062719 580087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ping? coppro: Ping? Deewiant: Ping? Does anyone know git? :p < 1336062742 619991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, you're doing well to show you're well inside the technically-incompetent demographic you're talking about. < 1336062782 710213 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why, because I follow instructions rather than critiquing every step? < 1336062843 434629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you follow instructions telling you how to check something out from SVN using a Windows GUI, rather than just checking it out using SVN itself, and then treat being unable to obtain the GUI tool as a roadblock? < 1336062920 319080 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I took the path of least resistance rather than spending five minutes finding out how to use SVN on Windows? < 1336062941 922423 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why am I even biting. < 1336063053 167067 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336063101 106066 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336063249 721511 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYI, the Subversion site itself links to 3 GUIs, a 32-bit build on SourceForge and a broken page. < 1336063291 920635 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going to call me an idiot at least do it properly. < 1336063331 743748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a 32-bit build!!! < 1336063352 353365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost as if the vast majority of Windows applications are 32-bit :P < 1336063376 485259 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 32-bit build is the last of five downloads. < 1336063390 627214 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I know, it makes me feel so unclean. < 1336063449 67708 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1336063469 147308 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's up? < 1336063472 333491 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want to do? < 1336063475 185900 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336063487 29183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: if I change the ownership/permissions of a directory tracked by git, will it notice? < 1336063492 77879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. does it track that stuff? < 1336063494 209960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget < 1336063496 543508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it tracks at least +x < 1336063530 611565 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tracks exactly +x < 1336063554 462502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, I'm not changing +x :) < 1336063576 374170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the files all have mode 644 or 755: git actually only pays attention to the executable bit". -- them manual. < 1336063625 485418 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem 2: about all I know of svn is that you use svn clone to download, and the Windows build apparently doesn't install an svn command. < 1336063639 985586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if git checkout-index does submodules. < 1336063659 243204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Maybe you *would* be better off with TortoiseSVN. < 1336063660 215424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "svn checkout", there is no "svn clone". < 1336063685 437575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess probably: not.) < 1336063689 296089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(re submodules.) < 1336063779 98042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336063803 81328 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336063806 584213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How would you create a copy of a git repository including submodules without the .git? < 1336063846 250313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is trying to make Esolang's MediaWiki installation + extensions sourced from the git repos (and maintain LocalSettings.php in it too), but each extension is in a separate git repository, so... < 1336063851 82813 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely git archive can do it? < 1336063869 508956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And MediaWiki's upgrade method means that I can't just reasonably maintain it in-place.) < 1336063877 861504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Does that do submodules? < 1336063883 519791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :submodules are kinda... second-class. < 1336063884 730744 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I would assume so. < 1336063890 951639 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336063892 684107 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of SHEER OPTIMISM < 1336063901 963536 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :More to the point, it's worth a try. < 1336063911 551672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying things is more difficult than asking people. < 1336063921 563954 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then let me answer you this way: < 1336063930 396234 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :git is fucking terrible, I don't know what it does because I hate it. < 1336063935 270472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks! < 1336064020 183987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know about submodules is that I think they're kinda iffy. < 1336064041 693012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't really like them. But I can't think of a better way to maintain the extension directories. < 1336064134 939067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if all you need is in the working copy, maybe you could just rsync (or some other git-unaware tool) with suitable ignore rules for everything ".gitty". < 1336064158 198755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ignore/exclude/ < 1336064171 693838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That would work, but is disgusting. :( < 1336064203 59937 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336064205 395495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "GIT_WORK_TREE=/blah git checkout" might work. Except that doesn't do submodules either, does it... < 1336064209 242040 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336064213 543228 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helllo < 1336064229 15026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO < 1336064262 199684 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336064281 563858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there are quite a few "git-archive-all" style scripts that do submodules too floating around the tubes. They all suck, of course. (I'm assuming that last part.) < 1336064333 479688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1336064467 225714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Dungeons&Dragons game, I saw a gnome riding on a donkey; I was hiding in the tree. And ask him, who is he? And stay hidden so that they cannot find us. But then the wizard said he knows him his name is Git and he exited from the hiding and then I did too soon afterward < 1336064473 249185 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: "svn checkout", there is no "svn clone". < 1336064474 719642 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1336064506 14643 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I basically don't know anything about RCSes other than that there are like a billion of them and they all make downloading things that bit more complicated. < 1336064514 159614 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1336064523 103227 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is facetious. < 1336064591 927906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have read that the git version system was named after its inventor even though that wasn't his name < 1336064598 360684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Git Torvalds < 1336064608 43312 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just feel zzo's confusion. < 1336064625 312615 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336064633 966477 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Torvalds is just a git, that's all. < 1336064652 109966 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336064675 190065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You realise that's literally the origin of the name, right? < 1336064864 418959 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unsurprised, but was unaware. < 1336064978 107567 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336065014 826578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, MediaWiki's file layout is incredibly annoying. < 1336065028 969592 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336065033 725468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really want to make Rasmus fucking Lerdorf hurt for making people put code in the same directory as data. < 1336065063 447128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s/data/mutable data/ to appease the Lispers.) < 1336065128 70058 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1336065255 815775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll just do the terrible thing. < 1336065267 914506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that won't work. < 1336065301 633256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336065353 86747 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336065392 90583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1336065412 671093 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336065858 489424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this is super annoying. < 1336065868 678972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess I could do fizzie's rsync thing. < 1336065889 177808 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336065902 409898 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1336065947 764448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO. < 1336066280 70116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I couldn't quite do fizzie's rsync thing. < 1336066313 9310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I could just forget about the .git thing and do < 1336066337 293037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :git clone --recursive blah mediawiki-new && cd mediawiki-new && cp -a ../mediawiki/{the,stuff} . && sudo -u www-data php maintanence/update.php < 1336066339 747111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... ew. < 1336066877 305050 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1336066921 553049 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.16 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336066930 411698 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336066980 42953 :cheater!~cheater@g230222243.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1336067756 247136 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-211-219.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336067756 589605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336067768 301458 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-198-36.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1336067818 184927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1336068128 140067 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336068158 278405 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1336068244 78163 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336068330 249807 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1336068628 193930 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336068809 246461 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336068820 263464 :cheater!~cheater@g230222243.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1336069020 701208 :cheater!~cheater@g230222243.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1336069070 518853 :cheater!~cheater@g230222243.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1336069140 467059 :nortti!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336069801 317021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You should totally upgrade MediaWiki for me. < 1336069814 33803 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... no. < 1336069931 753042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That sounds like "yes" to me! < 1336069991 809550 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336070288 233696 :nortti!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 QUIT : < 1336070351 466323 :nortti!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336070422 337928 :nortti!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you heard about the freedom of speech ranking? Finland, Norway and Sweden are on the first place, USA is on place 22 along with Estonia, Brittain is on the place 31 and on place 179 is North Korea < 1336070609 400456 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336070625 75343 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would respond, but I'd likely be arrestede < 1336070671 867053 :nortti!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: where do you live < 1336070701 903414 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK < 1336070723 43471 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm one of the two Hexhamites < 1336070728 601887 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Hexham < 1336070731 501204 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1336070827 82647 :nortti!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have found out that freenode only wants SASL certificate from users of the IPS I use < 1336070898 445732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"rage" < 1336070976 563754 :wyldstallyns!3283c4ef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.131.196.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336071076 477792 :nortti!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336071301 242513 :cheater!~cheater@g230222243.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1336071332 513856 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net NICK :Tanebrb < 1336071423 466340 :nortti_!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336071437 93533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1336071440 634010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, monqy < 1336071511 408914 :nortti_!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because webchat likes to throw me out at random I will be stalking the logs and commenting if I feels like it. When I really quit I will put qdb.us url as my quit message < 1336071524 217016 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1336071561 467465 :nortti_!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other quits just mean that it will take longer for me to answer < 1336071578 496654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how awful < 1336071638 277520 :Tanebrb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1336071639 731648 :nortti_!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1336071697 728478 :cheater!~cheater@g230222243.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1336071890 210327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip monqy "died doing what he loved best: identifying things" < 1336071894 959628 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336071932 234793 :Tanebrb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336071955 350675 :Tanebrb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net NICK :Ngevd < 1336071956 426204 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1336072057 880178 :nortti_!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1336072184 879373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what happened < 1336072201 205462 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrole of immolation < 1336072214 487178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll of ded < 1336072217 325882 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336072227 609782 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i wanted to survive i would have read fog and blinked < 1336072228 140858 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1336072232 40922 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"who cares about that" < 1336072280 182281 :Foggalong!~Joshua@cpc12-shef11-2-0-cust44.barn.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1336072285 642552 :Foggalong!~Joshua@cpc12-shef11-2-0-cust44.barn.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1336072366 519714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi foggalong < 1336072368 467101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye foggalong < 1336072510 219237 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1336072518 433441 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tomorrow is DWARF FORTRESS DAY < 1336072518 754339 :nortti_!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Step one: Shave his bullet-deflecting mustache." < 1336072671 79748 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: STUFF < 1336072726 347156 :nortti_!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm an atheist for the next half hour, piss off." < 1336072893 967678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1336072904 318557 :nortti_!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The members of The Southern Brotherhood were planning to assassinate Tsar Alexander I when he would be attending military manouevres in Ukraine in 1826. But, in November 1825, the Tsar suddenly died, [thus shitting all over the Brotherhood's plans to kill him]". < 1336072946 85092 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good bye, elliott < 1336073060 183308 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwtf, the page loads, displays, then redirects to a blank page < 1336073151 470961 :nortti_!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336073428 182585 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336073433 300863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1336073447 492841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh boy, this MW situation is more of a pain than I thought. < 1336073467 667779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The .gitignore specifically ignores stuff in the extensions directory, and LocalSettings.php. < 1336073473 699874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you git add things that are .gitignored? < 1336073482 28520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that stop git commit -a from committing them? < 1336073579 303156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, answer to the first question is yes. < 1336073581 961036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just try the second one. < 1336073613 435030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it does work. < 1336073617 695426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I guess I'll just do that then. < 1336073635 703721 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, you do that then < 1336073724 158616 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336074033 449759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ok, you do that then" -- olsner, 2012 < 1336074064 521480 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-220-76.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336074072 106034 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric: Surprisingly often, covered in tree sap | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1336074086 18932 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-211-219.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1336074186 734513 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336074207 471120 :nortti!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336074209 873517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: More like "I volunteer to upgrade Esolang's MediaWiki installation", am I right? < 1336074251 450952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"git pull" isn't atomic, right? < 1336074254 825294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, "git merge" I should say. < 1336074264 441460 :nortti!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2012/05/02/is-your-teen-browsing-the-pr0n/ < 1336074298 187757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336074328 259597 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First off, let’s look at the title: how do you know if your teenage kids are browsing teh pornz? Well, there are easy steps to find out: < 1336074331 282660 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step the first: they are. Period. Full stop. End of list. < 1336074331 635243 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great article nortti < 1336074334 825503 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thanks a lote" < 1336074456 517651 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loving how this article completely denies the existence of asexuals. < 1336074469 547848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb looks at porn for research purposes only < 1336074488 718040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_Other_Than_English < 1336074490 320827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, lote < 1336074526 473480 :nortti!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336074530 261009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lote,_Norway < 1336074531 995443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, lote < 1336074540 947175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lote_Raikabula < 1336074541 817439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, lote < 1336074548 27155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lote_tree < 1336074548 914562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, lote < 1336074646 662544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know how I could get "ssh solidity sudo cat /srv/esolangs.org/www/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php >Localsettings.php" to run without sudo complaining that there's no tty present? < 1336074652 154044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, ssh doesn't supply a tty if you give it a command. < 1336074657 160277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's annoying. I wonder if there's some way to override that. < 1336074784 148887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, -t < 1336074846 779102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wow if you think that article's bad take a look at the one it's responding to < 1336074851 561146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do They Browse the Web with the Door Closed? < 1336074855 643001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have they Rearranged their Room so the Monitor Faces Away from the Door? < 1336074858 868521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do They Get Nervous and Uncomfortable When You Use Their Computer? < 1336074861 313824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Your Browser History Periodically Erased? < 1336074875 551175 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even bother looking < 1336074881 214893 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw the thing i pasted and then just closed it < 1336074886 888784 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"enough article for me, monqy" < 1336074893 270553 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : - me, monqy < 1336075073 641836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I was called me, monq. < 1336075074 867190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I was called me, monqy. < 1336075096 726910 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good name to have < 1336075097 929121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Is your LOS square in real life, too? < 1336075116 194424 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1336075118 144853 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know D: < 1336075128 90802 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336075149 247251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas < 1336075209 973349 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336075280 271197 :nortti_!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336075332 522116 :nortti_!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ylös < 1336075337 582578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1336075371 210948 :nortti_!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finnish alas=down ylös=up < 1336075383 664927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1336075503 74246 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336075524 373905 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1336075535 503016 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently "oops" in croatian means "lol" < 1336075540 291641 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks google translate < 1336075543 303189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1336075548 719714 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard you were reading "a poor blog post about haskell" < 1336075552 508838 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1336075553 237175 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336075567 927067 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today I may or may not draw a self portrait of myself < 1336075574 325536 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasp < 1336075578 767359 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A self-self-portrait. < 1336075588 653063 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meta < 1336075602 16128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im envisioning the future breakdown of monqy after he is inundated with self portrait requests < 1336075603 790056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*envisions* < 1336075610 391032 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Do you think you could write an autobiography of me sometime? < 1336075624 576329 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1336075634 993209 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :autobiographies are a lot of work! < 1336075643 868451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you writing autobiographies too < 1336075645 212424 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a short one then? < 1336075698 409206 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PLEASE SEND YOUR POSTAL MAILING ADDRESS SO THAT I MAY SEND A REPLY FROM PROF. DONALD KNUTH TO YOUR EMAIL TO HIM." < 1336075713 87186 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My email had a POSTAL MAILING ADDRESS. < 1336075826 475691 :nortti_!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336075874 577823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Jennefervoc6006 < 1336075878 125678 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336075886 307880 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Are you going to draw a self-potrrait of kmc? < 1336075891 433198 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he earned one. < 1336075933 472477 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336076195 794427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: anyway i was referring to the foreground part not the kitten yes < 1336076198 985166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still looks familiar to me!!! < 1336076392 94558 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kitten? < 1336076410 232766 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a self-portrait that I missed? < 1336076422 471348 :nortti!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336076461 122805 :nortti!58710e6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.113.14.106 QUIT :Client Quit < 1336076696 688041 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! I want a self-portrait of zzo38, too. < 1336076728 646475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, I won't give you one; so you have to do it yourself < 1336076744 626877 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: monqy's been drawing self-portraits. < 1336076751 659126 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: He drew great ones of me and elliott. < 1336077019 164217 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336077047 979607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you shouldn't draw any more self-portraits of anyone else its < 1336077050 463862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sustainable < 1336077140 809816 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no monqy < 1336077145 863104 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliotte is just < 1336077146 948866 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :greedy < 1336077647 507925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing objects: 15% (50458/324608), 12.24 MiB | 46 KiB/s < 1336077649 275710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzzzzzzzzz < 1336077738 36495 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, cloning from darcs.haskell.org? < 1336077761 565561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, pushing to solidity < 1336077784 358900 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, wow slow anyway < 1336077806 64756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time olsner < 1336077806 535978 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for olsner is Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 < 1336077811 732536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time glogbackup < 1336077813 510999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time monqy < 1336077814 599517 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for monqy is Thu May 3 13:43:34 2012 < 1336077818 324951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time ChanServ < 1336078352 770831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing objects: 40% (131637/324608), 42.63 MiB | 45 KiB/s < 1336078360 256802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzzzZZZZzzzzZZzZZZZZZZzzzzzz < 1336078633 26425 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65.183.136.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336078723 242892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: travel won't use staircases you haven't gone up?? < 1336078728 562599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1336078824 542430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so youtube on linux no longer lets me skip around in videos < 1336078882 881268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix pure < 1336078883 824886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a = f a < 1336079120 703291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is "cleanup" really a word? < 1336079133 651357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, without a - or a space. < 1336079161 735904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something descriptivism < 1336079163 99799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1336079164 575385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes) < 1336079173 528890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks so wrong! < 1336079180 267041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's in all the dictionaries and everything. < 1336079180 905872 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :when cleaning up you do a cleanup < 1336079184 616963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I used it. :( < 1336079192 429465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I keep wanting to change it. < 1336079196 687513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I only have 3 minutes to change it. < 1336079920 246160 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1336080116 435276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The upgrade is onnnnn < 1336080480 978735 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :helliott < 1336080775 412623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update complete! < 1336080778 69352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the main page's style is broken. < 1336080899 441407 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336080922 215021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is the featured icon. < 1336081028 324801 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1336081129 743921 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is? < 1336081314 742753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try force-reloading. < 1336081325 409883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screenshots would be nice if they really aren't messed up for you. < 1336081341 770535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's broken in both Safari and Firefox for me. < 1336081494 721503 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336081743 659067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_portal#MediaWiki_1.19_upgrade_and_DNS_change < 1336081764 37810 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336081820 380858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So does it actually look fine for you? < 1336082078 257302 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336082133 229503 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336082428 559341 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7 < 1336082453 92079 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336082525 688122 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336082798 519687 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.16 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336083209 177037 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B0C.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336084113 855797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :font size 1.6, line height 1.2, margin bottom .1 < 1336084324 986574 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-244-235.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1336084389 64867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you make a self-self-portrait < 1336084392 504075 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-244-235.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1336084503 208383 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336084564 91280 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336084598 455187 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i was asleep < 1336084699 18850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell, what does map mean or do? Just wondering, I know it's a very general question and there's probably a lot of things that it does but like generally what is it used for? < 1336084736 32765 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "map" is the secret ingredient that makes Google Maps so good. < 1336084737 467850 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-220-76.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curse whoever you're quoting! < 1336084760 256556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time monqy < 1336084761 288462 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for monqy is Thu May 3 15:39:20 2012 < 1336084766 461859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: your sleep schedule "not gr8" < 1336084782 223599 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1336084790 240674 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336084793 529403 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :busy dreamging up my self portraite????? < 1336084796 633111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's ok mine is worse < 1336084841 254841 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Does that mean your self-portrait will be "even better"? < 1336084943 119609 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336084956 107320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you make a self-self-self-self-portrait? < 1336085007 225243 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet < 1336085025 134364 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1336085057 207142 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336085059 502188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pressure is one < 1336085070 633879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pressure is two (its rising) < 1336085184 141512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i upgraded mediawiki while you were asleep < 1336085187 472344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1336085211 216991 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1336085215 151941 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's upgrade < 1336085216 572875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1336085221 356063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like downgrade < 1336085222 244592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but up < 1336085225 436325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1336085328 92912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once made up a program which implements a grid-based puzzle game engine where you can specify the rules, where each rule consists of: a direction flag, a symmetry flag, an optional input counter, an optional output counter, the initial state, the final state, the game end flag, the input pattern, and the output pattern. < 1336085349 74278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1336085412 229986 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336085447 92409 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336085502 343017 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if Google Maps used Haskell then they would know the name of the city where I live < 1336085522 956519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each pattern is 3x3, and can specify the color, character, both, or neither. In addition, the color and/or character can be "mark". There are seven colors, and the characters are the 1 to 254 of the CP437 set. < 1336085535 716921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sokoban can be defined using this system using three rules. < 1336085588 695163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1336085592 419095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's < 1336085593 658020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a normal hi < 1336085594 368056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tm) < 1336085596 142725 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1336085688 207462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1336085709 321020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What long description should I wrote for "prelude-generalize" package? < 1336085739 320807 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, MS codepages < 1336085749 957132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: write the letter "a" twenty-seven times and then put "b" < 1336085754 630388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can add a "c" if you feel it necessary < 1336085792 158584 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336085816 599415 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336085829 176148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would be very sceptical about any "d". ask yourself whether you truly need that "d" < 1336085854 595216 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add a 内 for extra points < 1336085922 186644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why? But, OK. < 1336085932 426826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaab < 1336085938 121750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did you mean by hand? < 1336085954 285310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant for your long description. Twenty-eight letters is pretty long. < 1336085956 944741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can do it by hand too! < 1336085984 603318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's what you mean. But that isn't a very good description. < 1336086000 873879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can't have everything. < 1336086002 820326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: I think CP437 is IBM codepage < 1336086045 23423 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38++ for CP437 < 1336086047 503958 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best codepage ever < 1336086050 342669 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ook < 1336086060 406099 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The term "codepage" itself just sounds overly Microsoftey to me. < 1336086084 153031 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean "ugh legacy encodings" but it's old < 1336086202 620555 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336086247 120875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you ever found an octopus??? < 1336086258 989787 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an aquarium < 1336086277 167505 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336086284 724471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow : ) < 1336086333 779318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: one problem: i don't believe aquariums are real? < 1336086371 105071 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can i comission a self portrait of kmc please < 1336086377 605992 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a mission but with the arrows reversed < 1336086411 646361 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thonqy in advance < 1336086435 786719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha this guy just totally fucked up < 1336086519 435538 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-32-248.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336086576 42316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf why did they do that < 1336086653 78874 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336086709 606440 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336086719 223732 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you watching crawl? < 1336086725 223580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336086728 58008 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: glasgow? < 1336086743 340469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xgamer on CDO, i just picked at random because i saw they were on zot < 1336086777 291441 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll watch too < 1336086813 592172 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1336086895 701402 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless this guy messes up really badly i'm guessing he'll win < 1336086907 978751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: before he zerked a dragon and then < 1336086917 999715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :immediately another dragon and another thing came into view < 1336086927 81495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as soon as he got to them the zerk ran out < 1336086937 891173 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't the curse toe tormenting < 1336086940 16433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he lost quite a bit of hp < 1336086943 734737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1336086945 338245 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no i don't live in glasgow < 1336086947 654836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did he berserk there < 1336086951 571972 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hgheheheh < 1336086956 397921 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glasgow has the third oldest subway system in the world < 1336086959 268730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :berserker players remind me of me < 1336086968 314242 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Who has the second oldest and the first oldest? < 1336086976 822862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalked by a bat and a rat on zot:2 < 1336086982 286996 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "oldest" is redundant in those sentences. < 1336086982 349391 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :budapest and london respectively < 1336086987 359895 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no where is he going < 1336086993 649882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dungeon:1 < 1336086998 611126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's done with this dungeon < 1336087003 494904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fuck it" - xgamer < 1336087014 53316 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is off. < 1336087016 636103 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in new york they spent like 20 years saying "dude we need rapid transit" without building any < 1336087025 686104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1336087034 407500 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :during this time many companies were born and died and many legislators were bribed < 1336087040 927033 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :managing his stache, i see < 1336087094 374516 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first rapid transit in New York opened 5 years after the first bit of the London Underground < 1336087104 334476 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was an elevated railway, and that's all they built for some time < 1336087153 198730 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336087172 327857 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/beach/ < 1336087205 150965 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336087251 146125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: does he remember about the orb < 1336087258 58432 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he surely forgot < 1336087266 203909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that logo < 1336087267 623133 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much stache fun < 1336087277 794957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: more like the orb of WHAT!!! < 1336087311 195137 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just too deep deep down < 1336087312 615171 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do it < 1336087318 730949 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first subway part of the today New York City Subway opened in 1904 < 1336087394 273907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: how is this guy not bored yet < 1336087402 88610 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1336087475 721582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY GOD YOUR INVENTORY IS FINE < 1336087479 847316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it < 1336087482 303584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*STOP IT < 1336087486 250841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :accidentally forgot the capslock < 1336087509 188371 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the railroad tunnel from Grand Central at 42nd St to 96th St opened in 1875 < 1336087537 954092 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which today carries commuter trains, but at the time was arguably rapid transit, and had some underground stops < 1336087553 128053 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336087582 944387 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336087597 861178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: he hasn't dropped his potion of slowing < 1336087599 100578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1336087602 997219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job < 1336087616 878574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1336087632 486264 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there was a railroad tunnel in Brooklyn by 1844 < 1336087636 521679 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Brooklyn wasn't part of New York yet! < 1336087639 25487 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND NOW YOU KNOW < 1336087639 203431 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :explore_delay and travel_delay should default to -1 < 1336087680 224355 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you like the Beech Pneumatic logo you may also enjoy this picture: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Harvey_Cable_Car.jpg < 1336087693 131089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1336087704 919483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, kmc, your extensive transport knowledge continues to entertain < 1336087722 683888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:28 death cob[1/5]: You may have already fielded a guess, but it's insane hostile food. It might be corny, but if you put an ear to the ground deep down in Crawl's maize, you may find that you are being stalked; being buttered up for the kill, smooth as silk. < 1336087726 400892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy < 1336087730 158320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1336087732 253242 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is he clearing zot aaagh < 1336087738 801009 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xgamer stop that < 1336087744 162032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use your hi ability < 1336087745 357048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hibility < 1336087755 16766 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new york had better transit in 1930 than today :/ < 1336087760 338403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hi" is monqy for "stop that" < 1336087784 354476 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he mapped zot4, maybe he'll dive it < 1336087795 20055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy "denialle" < 1336087810 264006 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not keymashing that bone dragon fast enough < 1336087815 795725 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(written before bone dragon deaded) < 1336087842 708702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i hope i play less in a less silly manner than this by the time i reach zot < 1336087851 918273 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1336087881 868890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won 17 times without reaching zot? < 1336087887 911645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you use scrolls of acquirement to get the orb? < 1336087894 862315 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i hope you play in a less silly manner by the time you reach zot < 1336087896 989125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i'm gonna go for miscellaneous" "j - the Orb of Zot" "yessssss" < 1336087909 227962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i prefer my version? < 1336087927 494777 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good version < 1336087940 962710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you used METAFONT for designing any logos or typefaces? < 1336087997 920908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: why are there death cobs < 1336088015 736321 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1336088019 635673 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not ? < 1336088039 303335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep < 1336088055 576372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1336088062 324912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did he pick those up < 1336088068 178695 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should i know < 1336088069 597852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is he DOING < 1336088075 85627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i didn't ask you!!! < 1336088077 378882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked hypothetical < 1336088083 234733 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat in front of the yellow drac yes < 1336088086 957399 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat stealthily < 1336088116 621189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you know when you crave something SO BAD and you just gotta eat even if you're dying < 1336088118 924160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happened to xgamer < 1336088135 941056 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not quite dying yet < 1336088142 322226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1336088151 775413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you're always dying when fighting < 1336088153 556482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just very slow < 1336088155 153538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*slowly < 1336088157 808086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just, < 1336088175 621531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh yeah is it true that travel won't use upstairs you haven't used < 1336088182 236835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it makes sense but < 1336088188 770761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :going up every upstairs will be so boring < 1336088196 13382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i think he might start dying soon < 1336088202 582583 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheee < 1336088212 194871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1336088228 271095 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :before i put all my buttons on one button i "stair dipped" < 1336088266 752125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1336088285 870315 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you see an unused staircase you go down it then back up < 1336088331 290630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that's so ugh though :( < 1336088335 365920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i'd just < 1336088338 915682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go up upstairs when i found them instead but < 1336088340 333563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still a pain < 1336088355 743780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this will be fun < 1336088364 29066 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not dying quite yet < 1336088383 257690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never said that!!! < 1336088385 208013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said it would be fun < 1336088387 512122 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1336088395 132499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dying is one of but many ways to have fun < 1336088395 307603 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy plays slow :( < 1336088398 890148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is but one < 1336088405 603051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: everyone plays slower than you < 1336088417 973195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd probably play lower than this on zot (but maybe not when i get to the point of reaching zot) < 1336088420 454643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*slower < 1336088422 937578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uugh typing is hard < 1336088432 193083 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cashybrid is faster than me!! < 1336088437 868607 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably Elynae is faster than me too < 1336088444 422259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, this tv has "Vrestler" < 1336088451 96532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so titles (if that's what they're called) are translated??? < 1336088454 454453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mystrious < 1336088454 984915 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336088462 87107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: isn't cashybrid half bot < 1336088465 986955 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336088468 817315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't Elynae half bot < 1336088480 121740 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain things < 1336088495 251017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two orb guardians for the price of one < 1336088577 357545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1336088588 952990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: he's dying now right < 1336088597 499670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336088605 870105 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :qyite possibly < 1336088623 81925 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also quite possibly he's not dying < 1336088624 854033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1336088639 66147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1336088640 664710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he walking around < 1336088642 790998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow and exhausted < 1336088644 390697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and low on hp < 1336088663 195282 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because resting in hall of zot is more dangerous than fleeing from it slowed < 1336088672 250834 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you've cleared the rest of the lvel < 1336088689 343563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is that where he is < 1336088691 828511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't < 1336088694 854513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"recognise the feature" < 1336088716 737524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that troll was hostile for a second < 1336088722 998374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :disappointed it wasn't < 1336088729 249332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1336088732 140493 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh i wonder what he'll do here < 1336088737 114588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :troll just appears from nowhere on zot:5 < 1336088738 172347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy < 1336088742 952623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1336088748 301003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :great berserk this < 1336088750 394941 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm death drakes < 1336088761 819255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahaha < 1336088774 79971 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope he rteles < 1336088774 964363 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1336088776 913355 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's rteleing < 1336088777 90643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't he have any curing < 1336088789 307855 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just not using it < 1336088790 21194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fast+Slow" < 1336088796 44158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's rtele :( < 1336088799 258350 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :random teleport < 1336088805 45689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336088824 336070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does scroll of teleport do that since it's -cTele < 1336088827 357255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*teleportation < 1336088830 363938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he's dead < 1336088832 671188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1336088834 618210 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll of tele is by default random < 1336088839 50180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1336088840 994153 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not dead yet < 1336088844 104106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok dying < 1336088847 650851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1336088848 359324 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah -ctele means no ctele < 1336088849 977871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :near starving for some reason < 1336088858 699809 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fast+Slow is what happens when you're hasted and slowed at the same time (it has no effect itself but blocks further hasting and slowing) < 1336088866 569342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moth of wrath < 1336088868 79211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the best moth < 1336088898 387743 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be that fast and slow just canceled each other but then you could do stuff like re-slow or re-haste < 1336088905 470236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that really so bad < 1336088914 278095 :cswords__!~cswords@c-98-223-237-144.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336088923 785345 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no where's he going now < 1336088928 214223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o hno is it < 1336088930 341570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for more < 1336088932 288098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oh no < 1336088934 502020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stashing < 1336088940 558129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did he get the orb < 1336088949 782410 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he got the orb he'd have a glowy purp halo < 1336088953 681960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope it's stash time < 1336088957 799685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is < 1336088963 384783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all about the stashes < 1336088970 91485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why is his stash on lair:2 that's kinda weird < 1336088977 929263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he notice you sent him a message mysteries of life < 1336088981 357975 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lair:2 is a popular stash location < 1336088991 977910 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because monsters that use items don't spawn on lair:2 < 1336088999 130478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh don't they? that's clever < 1336088999 623651 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lair:1 gets stair spawns from the dungeon < 1336089012 943102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't they walk down to lair:2 too < 1336089015 393968 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336089015 576612 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1336089018 584795 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think people have gotten jellies from dungeon on lair:1 < 1336089021 70096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why not < 1336089023 20818 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"goodbye, stash" < 1336089032 552965 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they spawn on the branch exit stairs < 1336089040 10742 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and monsters don't do interlevel travel by themselves < 1336089041 831215 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is tempted to plawl, but there’s a bunch of lectures to be watched and a bunch of homework to be done. < 1336089052 536676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: why plawl when you can wlawl < 1336089054 486657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ugh that < 1336089055 377448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit _ < 1336089056 612692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the corner < 1336089058 597532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is bugging me < 1336089061 228729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :send him something else so he notices < 1336089067 751541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336089083 520556 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of people don't notice the Hit _ and it's so annoying < 1336089097 436885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ahve to do something!!! < 1336089098 719555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have < 1336089104 170888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should flash < 1336089109 702685 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336089113 976770 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-237-144.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1336089115 918073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please send hi msomething oh god what if he < 1336089116 268375 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've bugged the devs about it before < 1336089118 396005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wins with a hit _ < 1336089121 231291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would < 1336089122 289810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruin the win < 1336089125 403405 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would wawl but you’re not plawl. < 1336089131 486923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: it's xgamer we're watching < 1336089136 478238 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hit _) makes deaths instantly hilarious < 1336089136 918784 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1336089142 194811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: PLEASE DO SOMETHING!!!! :'( < 1336089152 323744 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we know xgamer? < 1336089153 750495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: ok you send him a message as soon as he stops fighting < 1336089155 379531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no we don't < 1336089157 537181 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno if sending another message redisplays the hit _ message < 1336089159 604409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just noticed him since he was on zot < 1336089164 235294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it doesn't but it displays it in the < 1336089166 388662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :message scroller thing < 1336089171 32926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1336089182 529551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he really just tweak skills on zot < 1336089212 830112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhhhhhhhhh < 1336089220 860517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEONE DO SOMETHING this is a humanitarian crisis < 1336089221 928920 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've bugged devs about having blinking (Hit _) or at least more noticeably colored (Hit _) or a force_more by default on the beep! your pager goes off but nobody listened < 1336089230 886466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: maybe i'll send them a patch < 1336089234 821642 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sent another message and it didn't do anything < 1336089249 897007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is tormenting me every single second i can't enjoy the game like this < 1336089255 406665 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can try bugging him; he's in ##crawl < 1336089257 191130 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the (Hit _) should be more noticeable. < 1336089261 764787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: or maybe you could!! < 1336089274 133490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i mean blinking is < 1336089274 170695 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've grown to like the (Hit _) < 1336089277 896609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really annoying though < 1336089281 500038 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This level looks a lot like a Zot Defense level. < 1336089284 686177 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe they'll hit _!!!! < 1336089286 621577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the force_more thing might be better < 1336089297 628922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: or maybe they'll get a headache < 1336089305 779998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually what it should do is < 1336089307 376046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of force_more < 1336089308 267344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be < 1336089310 34023 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i said blinking i meant < 1336089310 210644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :force_press_underscore < 1336089312 513503 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elemental coloured < 1336089312 682744 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d hate it if everyone could keep force_moreing me on a whim. :-P < 1336089320 883077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: by blinking i meant < 1336089321 410517 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but elemental colour is a technical term you might not know < 1336089325 838484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blinking < 1336089326 206971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1336089327 795731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the terminal attribute < 1336089329 27048 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336089336 509462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's elemental colour < 1336089346 134958 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My terminal doesn’t support blinking text AFAIU. < 1336089353 163626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably does < 1336089361 393760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you sent the messages you bug him in ##crawl >:( < 1336089361 580454 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a "colour" that's really a bunch of colours that change when crawl refreshes < 1336089369 444564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that would be better < 1336089387 19195 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you send some messages and then bug him in ##crawl if it bothers you so much! < 1336089399 356598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you know it bothers you too!!! < 1336089401 888622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if he wins like this < 1336089403 975211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll be agonised < 1336089406 460025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336089431 209064 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'll like it < 1336089432 674848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok done < 1336089435 499473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just hope he < 1336089436 420092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checks IRC < 1336089444 253771 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best part is when he starts a new game and then gets the messages there < 1336089447 972345 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably after dying horribly < 1336089464 648828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't he checking ##crawl nooooo < 1336089541 220724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what did you send partially end my agony < 1336089550 816272 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, twice < 1336089562 565891 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at different points < 1336089563 804131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good choice < 1336089573 382105 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll send it again if this goes south < 1336089577 811953 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, frail! < 1336089583 657496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's frail