< 1334620975 17562 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1334621263 754155 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1334621321 793650 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1334621605 477465 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1334621892 338835 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1334622133 690209 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1334623203 2259 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-68.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1334623207 329740 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334623942 234725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jason Voorhees is back not for killing purposes but here to kill problems." --Stack Overflow profile < 1334623948 242123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that... killing purposes? < 1334623958 137288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'm just sayin' < 1334624046 84200 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1334624051 260506 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well observed < 1334624074 467222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is back not for killing purposes but here to kill people. < 1334624964 250262 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Masha'allaah < 1334625146 402125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1334625158 114790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: That didn't count as a hi, it was required. < 1334625164 948029 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm here to kick ass and answer questions about haskell and i'm all out of questions about haskell < 1334625166 170767 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... Huh. < 1334625174 367691 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might technically be 20 year old OS X binaries. < 1334625180 560022 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: understandable < 1334625184 617680 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i would have done the same thing < 1334625187 495725 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeXT. It ran on x86. < 1334625234 740279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i tried to run WorldWideWeb on OS X once < 1334625235 827524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't work < 1334625268 219952 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it build, at least? < 1334625298 349406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just used a preexisting binary :p < 1334625312 667315 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, then it is probably a matter of endianness; wouldn't be too surprised if WorldWideWeb was only built for m68k. < 1334625359 224494 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, almost certainly only for m68k. < 1334625409 737984 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeXT on x86 only came later. < 1334625422 711361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was when Rosetta worked < 1334625426 605590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did NeXTStep ever run on PPC? < 1334625430 70022 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1334625449 94231 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :m68k, x86, SPARC, and PA-RISC. < 1334625469 578678 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppppppppowerpc < 1334625486 485339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppppick up a penguin < 1334625487 719761 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in theory you could create an m68k, x86, SPARC, PA-RISC, PPC fat binary. < 1334625510 378324 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as Mach-O is from NeXT and yes, they did support fat binaries then) < 1334625603 608760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have an x86 + x86-64 fat binary iirc < 1334625613 376298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the early intel macs were 32-bit, believe it or not < 1334625616 143912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for like... a year < 1334625636 927796 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1334625642 129675 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even more fattitude! < 1334625645 487057 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do a ppc-le / ppc-be fat binary < 1334625673 263942 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to use Linux prctl(PR_SET_ENDIAN) on my toilet seat iBook but it didn't work :/ < 1334625734 739959 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could, but I'm pretty sure only one half would be used. The Mac hardware wasn't bi-endian. < 1334625741 819143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote * elliott is back not for killing purposes but here to kill people. < 1334625744 642212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only funny out of context < 1334625745 793052 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :840) * elliott is back not for killing purposes but here to kill people. < 1334625752 439852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334625753 851446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334625755 489166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334625755 649082 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :738) The only way you could do better would be to implement Monopoly with chocolate. < 1334625756 844638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334625759 491923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334625767 857184 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :763) oerjan: Hey, what's your country code for telephonistic dialling from the outside world? fizzie: +47 oerjan: Ooh, you're, like, right next to Sweden there. I... guess you are geographically, too. < 1334625771 507066 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :780) * Phantom_Hoover moves 0.5 Phantom_Hoover into the Atlantic, and captures fizzie's upper body with 0.5 Phantom_Hoover. Glurk. < 1334625773 761759 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :592) dangit I need someone who knows the answers to my problems instantly and is always around for me! I need.....an adult ;_; < 1334625776 85811 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :726) right: you didn't find out you were wrong, just right in a way we failed to consider. if only every wrong person could be so lucky < 1334625789 818796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 592? < 1334625808 903955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, back < 1334625813 163821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 726 is awesome < 1334625831 857655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, i was about to say that 592 amuses me, and 726 is probably the weakest < 1334625843 596847 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to support multiple endiannesses on a PPC, you either need a motherboard that can do byte swaps on the bus *or* crazy hardware hacks) < 1334625866 171931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think all those quotes are good < 1334625871 163719 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/hardware/software/ < 1334625871 657587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let's keep them all < 1334625875 643539 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334625878 522776 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :435) oerjan, little do you realise that everything you say and do is part of that great monad tutorial we call life. < 1334625882 15144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334625885 42803 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :719) i cnat eve begin to understand what you meant with that "one" < 1334625896 777068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :719 sucks < 1334625904 51228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334625906 516888 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :313) BYE dbc WE'LL BE SURE TO ACCIDENTALLY MENTION YOUR NICK OFTEN < 1334625911 466043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pah < 1334625912 271115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334625912 655802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334625914 484908 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :621) it's definitely not a statistical fluctuation, they repeated the experiment 15 thousand times to make sure < 1334625926 401398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH FOR THE PERFECT 5-PERSON ROLL < 1334625927 225690 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :748) in one case, someone is hurting themselves, in the other, they are only hurting (all) norwegians (to death) < 1334625943 345850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think 621 is funny < 1334625947 495610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :719 amuses me < 1334625956 144495 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get 719 < 1334625963 287878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think 621 is massively funny either; it can be out of context, I guess < 1334625972 460541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it was pretty much the height of "how simple can a concept be before monqy will not claim to not understand it" < 1334625977 623953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 621 < 1334625981 110655 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* it's definitely not a statistical fluctuation, they repeated the experiment 15 thousand times to make sure < 1334625995 235005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in that case 719 needs a lot more context < 1334626047 154469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I already know the context! :p < 1334626047 857662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334626048 200931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334626048 585351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334626048 945687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334626049 327984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334626057 542376 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :61) actually just ate some of the dog food because i didn't have any human food... after a while they start tasting like porridge < 1334626058 465641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 313 is great < 1334626061 302622 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :296) elliott, incidentally, I started my explorations again after getting bored of the Himalayas. < 1334626070 866368 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :788) has there been any work towards designing programming languages specifically for stoned people < 1334626071 139969 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :576) theorem prover yada yada halting problem. < 1334626072 853773 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :76) <@Lawlabee> Why does Monday start at 10PM on Sunday? < 1334626079 73657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 76 < 1334626082 857001 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* <@Lawlabee> Why does Monday start at 10PM on Sunday? < 1334626568 920308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 313 is great because it's self-fulfilling < 1334626592 152472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, indeed (but I think it's great even independent of that) < 1334626600 883513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1334626613 962966 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1334626650 382613 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 313 < 1334626653 66337 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :313) Of course, "b" is clearly just "pv". Say "pvottle". It will sound... similar to exactly the same as "bottle". < 1334626678 348308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's 312 now < 1334626678 853968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 312 < 1334626681 768912 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :312) BYE dbc WE'LL BE SURE TO ACCIDENTALLY MENTION YOUR NICK OFTEN < 1334626916 866048 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you read the logs? < 1334626926 822226 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Guess what arrived today!!!!!! < 1334626937 577837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I choose to misinterpret "read" in that line in the sense of divination < 1334626940 480546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's much better that way < 1334626943 491627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esotericomancy < 1334626950 678875 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523++ < 1334626960 226925 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a much better interpretation of "logreading". < 1334626989 436805 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm logreading right now, in fact < 1334626993 286598 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:33:40: `hatesgep < 1334626995 855989 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at about that part < 1334627000 968023 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the log < 1334627032 301222 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm logreading too! < 1334627036 385977 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm around the < 1334627039 738138 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:43 < monqy> I'm at about that part < 1334627039 897685 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:43 < monqy> of the log < 1334627042 420619 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the log. < 1334627072 934790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if a woodchuck /could/ chuck wood, it would likely have no motivation to, and thus still would chuck no wood < 1334627097 278729 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523;beliveven in hte woodomchuk!! :'( < 1334627104 346174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you aren't monqy < 1334627115 316220 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct. < 1334627125 442171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just plays monqy in bad b-movies < 1334627129 114865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bad b-movie known as #esoteric < 1334627155 403574 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What does "British" mean? < 1334627160 574676 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in a person. < 1334627185 815038 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"citizen of the UK"? "lives in Great Britain"? "lives in the British isles"? < 1334627194 132296 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hatesgeo < 1334627226 585122 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1334627236 273911 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a blast from the past" < 1334627247 914695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Citizen of the UK, usually. < 1334627253 259520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps "lives in the British Isles" if not that. < 1334627260 233635 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So people in Northern Ireland are British? < 1334627269 988722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, as I was about to say, it's a bit of a self-identity thing. < 1334627275 677946 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Southern Ireland?! < 1334627283 876757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably many people in Northern Ireland would consider themselves British. < 1334627285 674815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But certainly not all. < 1334627300 106193 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :legally there are many categories, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_citizen < 1334627311 693733 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so hatesgeo is a mass pinging machine < 1334627323 275182 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti what were you thinking < 1334627334 562022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: isn't that areally < 1334627335 257489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1334627336 82844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :old log < 1334627337 594135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a really < 1334627346 470208 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from november! I think < 1334627358 794397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you < 1334627359 672166 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the one where I don't onderstand the "one" < 1334627359 987416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading that log < 1334627361 321599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1334627363 73526 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted context < 1334627366 837300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't onderstand the "one" either < 1334627367 823617 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm hooked < 1334627384 54391 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :send help < 1334627402 226331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1334627433 168382 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Who said anything about the Commonwealth? < 1334627441 360221 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1334627446 144753 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also there is a list in that article < 1334627447 201144 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct. < 1334627452 54354 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of different flavors of British Citizen < 1334627458 465908 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think people in Canada consider themselves particularly British. < 1334627477 830517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think a good rule of thumb is just to not call anyone "British" unless they call themselves British. < 1334627488 821618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which probably means not calling anyone "British" because we never talk to foreigners. < 1334627497 971989 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : self-identifying considered harmful < 1334627514 897121 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Right. < 1334627546 988698 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!monqy what does this thing do < 1334627560 624588 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ /tmp/runghcXXXX19466.hs:1:52: \ Couldn't match expected type `[Char]' with actual type `IO String' \ In the second argument of `mapM_', namely `getContents' \ In the expression: mapM_ (putChar . toLower) getContents \ In an equation for `main': \ main = mapM_ (putChar . toLower) getContents < 1334627566 75855 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1334627581 230794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is this the game where you put before something silly and he disagrees with it? < 1334627584 165186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1334627586 845085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "disagree", I mean "agree". < 1334627605 647891 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said something like that < 1334627614 728393 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did. < 1334627615 787323 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not look it up in logs so i might have got minor wording wrong < 1334627621 916697 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi monqy < 1334627629 70677 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You got the capitalization and punctuation different. < 1334627638 142521 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I care about capitalization and punctuation. < 1334627646 446564 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as noted, you think capitalization is silly < 1334627657 776447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, quoting shachaf is the same as putting before something silly. < 1334627709 16120 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the existence of capital letters is silly. < 1334627754 586530 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think the existence of capital letters is silly. < 1334627758 42611 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I win a prize < 1334627942 170456 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: prize < 1334627952 886320 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks shachaf < 1334627964 180872 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a great prize < 1334628002 825385 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://invisible-island.net/vttest/vttest.html is a fun program < 1334628015 48613 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that vt220 and thus xterm support double-width double-height text? < 1334628044 56501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know im a puddle < 1334628059 719270 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1334628065 150135 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we get banned in here for fullwidth text? :-( < 1334628077 861915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I realized that xterm had features (other than the obvious case of function keys) that were not found in a VT100." doesn't this guy maintain xterm < 1334628106 644615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he/she realised that some time before he started maintained it < 1334628112 678871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe just wrote it by accident < 1334628243 77331 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are you going to ban me now? :−( < 1334628260 250288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't render here. :( < 1334628262 449963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should install takao. < 1334628265 551176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get an AUR package manager. < 1334628269 858568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any good AUR package managers. < 1334628272 755322 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So my book arrived. < 1334628277 347253 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I go about reading it now? < 1334628386 559005 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: First, look things up obsessively. Second, for the love of all that is sane, use an SRS (spaced repetition system) < 1334628406 373898 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the latter? < 1334628407 891935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What book did shachaf buy? < 1334628426 986373 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Makes it much easier to remember things. < 1334628429 785637 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: _How to Keep Secrets from Elliott_ < 1334628458 269952 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But I never like how those work. < 1334628488 788267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why he bothers asking shachaf questions. < 1334628496 328090 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, you were asking me? < 1334628503 993968 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's some sort of Manga thing in Japanese. < 1334628507 346073 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sister recommended it. < 1334628522 137163 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it good < 1334628529 339187 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Death Note. < 1334628535 416823 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I don't know. :-( < 1334628648 48042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much dust that RTK book has collected while I've been too busy with other things to go through it. < 1334628668 547137 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Should I get that book? < 1334628703 216253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remembering the Kanji? I think so. pikhq recommends it and I like the sample I read on the web. < 1334628713 622753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's what the spaced repetition systems have data sets for. < 1334628716 235765 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Should I read that book? < 1334628719 159993 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's one of precisely two ways of going through kanji that aren't designed by obvious morons, so yes. < 1334628727 659019 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What's the other way? < 1334628737 366817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my version is a paperback. I should buy a hardback instead. < 1334628737 784543 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, do you remember the kana already? < 1334628740 36895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's way too big for a paperback. < 1334628745 608059 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's either that or http://kanjidamage.com/ , which is free. < 1334628749 253594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I bought the book before actually doing anything. < 1334628762 225256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Welcome to KANJIDAMAGE, where you can learn 1,700 kanji using Yo Mama jokes." < 1334628767 43052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you sure this wasn't designed by an obvious moron? < 1334628771 917607 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pick whichever one has the approach you don't hate. < 1334628775 7195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one data point in favour of the idea that it was designed by an obvious moron. < 1334628795 709605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"math stylezzz." Two data points. < 1334628813 816146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kanjidamage.com/assets/visualaids/kick%20in%20the%20nuts-5fc801a01bdbdedd67b2a17dc6ff1767.jpg Three. < 1334628831 398973 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Everything other than RTK and that strongly suggest you learn kanji that are comically archaic. < 1334628843 343863 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Apparently it costs hundreds of dollars or something. < 1334628858 177079 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The recent edition should cost like 20. < 1334628878 368355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I bought it for something like 20 pounds. < 1334628880 146409 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"10 new from $178.54 23 used from $56.92" < 1334628889 213327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll be someone selling the old edition. < 1334628896 198244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Remembering-Kanji-Volume-Complete-Characters/dp/0824835921/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334628892&sr=8-1 < 1334628896 357908 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is that the 1st edition? From, like, the 70s? < 1334628896 517614 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"4 new from $99.99 20 used from $21.50" < 1334628897 648687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Remembering-Kanji-Volume-Complete-Characters/dp/0824835921/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334628892&sr=8-1 < 1334628902 477061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$24 new. < 1334628907 249550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, plus 52 cents.) < 1334628912 31167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :First result for "remembering the kanji" on amazon.com. < 1334628913 350547 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most things teaching kanji are roughly analogous to teaching English using Shakespeare and Chaucer. < 1334628930 302515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why do people print paperback books?) < 1334628965 975410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not even a hardback result for RTK. :( < 1334628973 247756 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So someone *not* having you learn motherfucking 匁 ("monme", a pre-Meiji unit of weight) gets quite a bit of points. < 1334628973 595007 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should learn the katakana first. < 1334628984 182266 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Why do people print paperback books?) // Why do people print books? < 1334628992 315135 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a books < 1334629004 935394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A sixth edition was released in April 2011." < 1334629009 518801 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: a books is something read by an elliotts < 1334629012 640683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I have an *excuse* to buy a new edition. < 1334629013 44483 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you elliotts < 1334629024 50250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: IIRC pikhq told me that kana can wait until after kanji, but I don't raecll that for sure. < 1334629055 949328 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wait, really? < 1334629059 942938 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i forget if elliotts is my puppet or im elliotts' puppet < 1334629061 532283 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're so much simpler. < 1334629062 467270 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learning kana before kanji makes it so you could kinda jump into Japanese before kanji, but trust me when I say you're going to be basically useless without kanji. < 1334629072 550374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it depends on what you're using Japanese for < 1334629081 220230 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What if I just want to learn spoken Japanese? < 1334629086 26072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :several people learn it to play Japanese computer games, in which case kana are more useful < 1334629097 584877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Does that manga have speakers? < 1334629103 452286 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Unless they're playing NES games, not really. < 1334629104 107289 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese computer games? < 1334629138 70919 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1334629139 765203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: disagreed, especially on portables, whose screens can't really show kanji large enough to make them out < 1334629141 202042 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Then you don't need kana either, if you want to be illiterate. < 1334629166 297640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is illiterate. < 1334629174 224346 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill iterate < 1334629185 804168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Remember mnemonics from school? "Every Good Boy Gets Fudge," or "My Dear Aunt Sally," or even that notorious pedophile, one Mr. "Roy G. Biv"?" < 1334629187 790152 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (fun "safe") x < 1334629188 797859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [x,safe x,safe (safe x),safe (safe (safe x)),safe (safe (safe (safe x))),sa... < 1334629190 647787 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm quite literate and don't know a single kana symbol. < 1334629191 145040 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1334629191 914480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I really think this site was written by a complete moron. < 1334629198 384331 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not literate in Japanese, of course. < 1334629211 202716 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Even *Pokemon* uses kanji anymore. (admittedly, this is only the most recent games; before that it was katakana exclusively) < 1334629218 935891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not by default < 1334629224 29125 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: statement does not make sense < 1334629229 597958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has both kana and kanji in it and asks which you want < 1334629241 664946 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought it was an option on Black & White that they asked you about right away? < 1334629250 64657 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Even Pokemon uses kanji anymore" < 1334629260 486496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: s/anymore/nowadays/ < 1334629261 770970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even I understood what pikhq meant anymore < 1334629267 263316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, ask immediately < 1334629280 990244 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Stuff targeted towards little children won't use kanji (much), generally. < 1334629299 536362 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you tlieltlttle children < 1334629301 200554 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1334629308 382989 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: whost that < 1334629314 813234 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: elliotts < 1334629335 151701 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So should I order _Remembering the Kanji_? < 1334629337 482114 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So should I order _Remembering the Kanji_? < 1334629341 123358 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whichever one of you it was. < 1334629342 971386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop italicising with _. < 1334629348 489378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: me is probably a bad person to ask < 1334629359 103220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you should always italicise with literal tab, no matter what the context < 1334629363 710937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, better make it eight spaces to make sure < 1334629368 700000 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not italicizing. < 1334629371 97472 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'd suggest looking at the sample first: http://nirc.nanzan-u.ac.jp/publications/miscPublications/pdf/RK1/RK%201%20%286th%20edition%29%20sample.pdf < 1334629385 721481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION picks up that sample to see HOW MUCH BETTER the sixth edition is. < 1334629389 289015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Stop citing with _, then. < 1334629401 182873 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :italics rule #1: who needs italics when youc an marquee < 1334629406 774837 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's how titles work. < 1334629411 562003 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it's just changed for the recent jōyō kanji list change. < 1334629417 140704 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Hi, I'm a Book_ < 1334629420 823204 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: underline with the underline thing < 1334629425 513865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy++ < 1334629429 1644 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I'm not underlining! < 1334629435 716166 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I underline or italicize a book title? < 1334629455 582307 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Quotes look like this" < 1334629556 621237 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you going to remember the kanji < 1334629639 821494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you remember the kanji befoery ou know them < 1334629640 914387 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: whats a the kanjii < 1334629643 584027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chec kmate japanese teachers < 1334629648 196921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chec kmate james heisig < 1334629694 769081 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That sample has so much word in it. :-( < 1334629708 73152 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i ealrna without redanagIii????? < 1334629731 550344 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of these days I need to edit the joyo list to omit things that are literally useless. < 1334629755 86625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Most of that text is in the intro, I think. < 1334629763 540137 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joyo list is a list of kanji that are taught in Japanese public schools. This list is only loosely correlated with what's in actual use.) < 1334629775 225038 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :田 < 1334629777 876080 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good knaji < 1334629833 322608 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that sucker's pretty frequent... Something like a quarter of all surnames feature it. :P < 1334629862 621980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant see it < 1334629862 997439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1334629864 814555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it look like < 1334629879 212726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: like a square with both orthogonals marked, except that the vertical sides continue slightly past the baseline < 1334629896 136561 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/File:%E7%94%B0-jorder.gif < 1334629900 336860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I like how the mosh site recommends a different AUR packager to the one it did a few days ago. < 1334629938 605225 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it recommends yaourt now < 1334629942 345596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This image is part of the Commons:Stroke Order Project(zh-de-ja), a project to create a complete set of images depicting the right stroke order" I like how this "project" has produced exactly 9 images since 2008. < 1334629943 967561 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought our instructions before were just wrong < 1334629954 263794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, more: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Stroke_Order_Project < 1334629967 136376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, both packer and yaourt are popular unofficial AUR packagers. < 1334629978 383489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably be best simply to link to the AUR page. < 1334629979 84497 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1334629991 623202 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought packer was just a typo for pacman, which was in turn wrong < 1334630009 45986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1334630019 656129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think packer is more "hip" than yaourt. < 1334630025 751181 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we're all about hip !! < 1334630026 728310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaourt is sort of breaky, I think. < 1334630033 658950 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why we're using Twitter Bootstrap < 1334630044 9542 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally those Hacker News startup geniuses have educated the poor academics on a little style < 1334630051 648942 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1334630055 929275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, or is it pacaur that's popular now? < 1334630533 385644 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Should I be caring about how to write kanji? < 1334630543 696851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what RTK1 covers, I think. < 1334630550 598271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It has been: a while.) < 1334630554 800709 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's generally a good idea, and honestly not that hard. < 1334630578 35052 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with RTK it will kinda come naturally. < 1334630590 6840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTK2 is skippable, right? < 1334630592 811786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgets. < 1334630597 271837 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Utterly. < 1334630604 146922 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes over readings in a fairly sucky way. < 1334630616 796045 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But I don't care about it at all. :-( < 1334630625 481765 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't want to write. < 1334630637 910337 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing is a terrible thing. < 1334630647 512316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I thought the same and remember last time pikhq convinced me it would still be the easiest way to learn. < 1334630651 145498 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not having to write characters by hand is the reason I invented computers. < 1334630655 191299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you should probably just copy my being-convinced. < 1334630656 120246 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also pretty trivial to be competent. < 1334630685 94847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why shachaf bought a book some year(s) before he would be able to read it. < 1334630709 596521 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Death Note is not impossibly difficult. < 1334630723 568949 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why elliott bought RTK and then let it dust up the gathers. < 1334630725 479100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I parenthesised the (s)! < 1334630731 230347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm bad at scheduling. < 1334630752 45153 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That said, if you go through a traditional Japanese course, it'll be a good decade before you have a hope of reading it. < 1334630820 21302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is RTK even available in hardback? < 1334630825 612000 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think so. < 1334630840 261903 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another reason I need to do my own book binding and typesetting. :P < 1334630902 935095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate paperback. < 1334630921 262300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they print paperback? < 1334630958 95560 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you in the Japan? < 1334630960 216999 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be. < 1334631009 50993 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you in Indiana? < 1334631224 453961 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am Colorado Springs. < 1334631233 979557 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In, even. < 1334631248 384191 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that in Colorado? < 1334631252 842661 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1334631270 745242 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1334631274 769808 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was in Massachussets < 1334631282 260896 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess I was wrong < 1334631283 217585 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I was in Indiana. :-( < 1334631314 941478 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish shachaf could follow his dreams < 1334631323 921317 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish monqy < 1334631332 564935 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Are you in diana < 1334631335 735129 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indiana < 1334631339 441375 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you? < 1334631341 597186 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Indiana < 1334631344 646313 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im outdiana < 1334631359 26461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's all part of New York. < 1334631372 418985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : monqy: Are you in diana < 1334631374 25376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :She's dead. < 1334631384 995717 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about the state. < 1334631453 664412 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second, repeated instruction to study the characters with pad and pencil < 1334631453 861201 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be taken seriously. Remembering the characters demands that they be < 1334631453 861376 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :written, and there is really no better way to improve the aesthetic appearance < 1334631453 861542 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of one’s writing and acquire a “natural feel” for the flow of the kanji than by < 1334631456 700487 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :introduction < 1334631459 200798 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :| 7 < 1334631461 672693 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing them. < 1334631479 214799 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1334631490 484625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: He's a professor, you know! < 1334631493 421919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In philosophy. But still. < 1334631508 986980 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: am i proefesorr? < 1334631512 969528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1334631513 129047 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kanji is kind of like a philosophy < 1334631533 711110 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf professes < 1334631538 765010 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: explain < 1334631543 97502 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: hi < 1334631551 753010 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: You do not understand how monqy works. < 1334631602 728820 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help < 1334631616 246365 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must experience it for yourself < 1334631620 12344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: No. "help" is banned. < 1334631623 898958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to pass a test to use "help". < 1334631630 417867 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only then may you be enlightened < 1334631666 51647 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Remember the part Spellbreaker with the cubes? < 1334631678 308854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never played Spellbreaker. < 1334631684 965950 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT! < 1334631689 790720 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you played Spellbreaker. < 1334631794 988125 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iis spellbreaker good < 1334631803 389606 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yyes < 1334631815 391895 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tghe goodest < 1334631820 325246 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1334631841 528540 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :colon oh < 1334631867 265796 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0 < 1334631874 443595 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :colon zeroh < 1334631962 402378 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-0 < 1334631970 735316 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :colon minus zero < 1334631990 650478 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do that < 1334632009 15630 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :magaic :'( < 1334632027 6966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wait, since when is this sample 105 pages long? < 1334632028 939028 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no is it bad magic < 1334632053 173155 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :black magic :'( < 1334632082 925598 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1334632099 292568 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ARE YOU RACIST < 1334632105 329903 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTHING WRONG WITH BLACK MAGIC :'( < 1334632107 818610 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This only < 1334632107 977942 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :begs the basic question of why they could not better < 1334632119 466629 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can I hate RTK for that? < 1334632122 277373 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Can I hate RTK for that? < 1334632133 266220 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Can I hate RTK for that? < 1334632138 900959 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1334632142 287017 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no :'( < 1334632151 832719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: For what? < 1334632157 688644 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 20:08 < shachaf> This only < 1334632157 848594 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:08 < shachaf> begs the basic question of why they could not better < 1334632160 526136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: For what? < 1334632170 602676 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"begs the ... question" < 1334632173 742688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1334632189 396511 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So PEDANTRY! < 1334632197 55279 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't hate RTK for that. < 1334632198 806125 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, shachaf < 1334632199 210739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you take the moronic prescriptivist route, you'll end up like this: http://begthequestion.info/ < 1334632205 207936 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm afraid you can't either < 1334632211 264127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While descriptivists and other such laissez-faire linguists are content to allow the misconception to fall into the vernacular, it cannot be denied that logic and philosophy stand to lose an important conceptual label should the meaning of BTQ become diluted to the point that we must constantly distinguish between the traditional usage and the erroneous "modern" usage. This is why we fight." < 1334632226 980225 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1334632232 659909 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ih8u:"0( < 1334632271 434031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry, "it would be false to say that tongues are not in cheeks in this endeavour": "We do care passionately about the proper use of the phrase with reference to logical fallacy, but it would be false to say that tongues are not in cheeks in this endeavor." < 1334632276 927051 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: prescriptivism 4 ever < 1334632277 86778 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Print out BTQ cards and get BTQ shirts and other merchandise to spread the word. < 1334632291 38687 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We didn't get to where English is today by allowing any old person to change the language any which way! < 1334632293 715106 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the old definition of begging the question, and try to use it when appropriate < 1334632315 295749 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite prepared to be that much of a dick about it though < 1334632367 528000 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Le sigh. < 1334632388 721948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't say "le sigh". < 1334632390 862713 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame "begets the question" is out of favor. < 1334632393 751887 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: le le < 1334632395 514230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will do whatever it takes to kick you if you say "le sigh'. < 1334632396 465182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1334632397 866575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Kick pikhq. < 1334632405 494404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do it now or I will leave forever. < 1334632420 161348 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PART #esoteric :"le kick'd" < 1334632425 435483 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vomits < 1334632429 921057 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334632434 741765 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unvomits < 1334632437 506407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That is not sufficient. Kick pikhq. < 1334632471 559011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone needs to change the topic < 1334632479 24009 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'd like to see a logical proof sometime which is structured like Genesis 5. < 1334632480 666672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :Brand new topic! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1334632483 907344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Done. Now kick pikhq. < 1334632496 476144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was working on a new one that worse worse than that one < 1334632502 164666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that was worse than that one < 1334632504 300952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Okay. Kick pikhq. < 1334632505 378659 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can worsen it if you'd like < 1334632508 460663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't approve of kicking people on demand < 1334632519 418530 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Kick me! < 1334632520 909862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's not on demand. He said "le sigh" and then he said "le le". < 1334632538 200414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is not a sufficient reason to kick someone < 1334632540 819534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, it is. < 1334632541 910551 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is le problem < 1334632546 889940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1334632576 36783 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he means "le leaving". < 1334632577 536297 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look what you've done < 1334632627 570884 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: He won't respond to my /msg. :-( < 1334632657 734006 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you shouldn't have done < 1334632659 36940 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I want to mark his SO answer as bestanswerever. < 1334632659 196374 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you did < 1334632663 351149 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't. :-( < 1334632721 702967 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a moment of silence to think about what you;ve done < 1334632863 432643 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Can we kick pikhq. :-( < 1334632895 828147 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have ops, so I can't do the honours < 1334632899 269189 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you? < 1334632905 490958 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/kick pikhq < 1334633380 219719 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now that elliott is gone, let's talk behind his back! < 1334633390 637537 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whooo < 1334633413 998487 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliotts back < 1334633516 226549 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-203-18.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1334636298 892944 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Have you been kicked yet? < 1334636731 263619 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1334638850 309889 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-127-55.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334638864 457624 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178.235.39.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1334638987 573891 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-118-226.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1334639833 897386 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.stylist.co.uk/life/recipes/worlds-first-lick-able-lift this is PERFECT for norns < 1334640493 193754 :nortti!~chatzilla@82.128.144.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1334641183 245285 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-127-55.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1334641205 756240 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1334641676 226132 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-109.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334642333 178530 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334642362 11473 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1334643358 433973 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: bye < 1334644374 741243 :joo!joo@unaffiliated/joo QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1334644387 418801 :joo!joo@unaffiliated/joo JOIN :#esoteric < 1334645010 516375 :nortti!~chatzilla@82.128.144.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastefortunes < 1334645017 87115 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.23492 < 1334645048 87380 :nortti!~chatzilla@82.128.144.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat `which pastefortunes` < 1334645050 842424 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: `which pastefortunes`: No such file or directory < 1334645141 92942 :nortti!~chatzilla@82.128.144.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat `which pastefortunes` < 1334645144 169192 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo > tmp.lolo; for i in *; do fortune >> tmp.lolo; echo '---' >> tmp.lolo; done; cat tmp.lolo | paste; rm tmp.lolo < 1334645168 697469 :nortti!~chatzilla@82.128.144.70 QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643] < 1334645213 536528 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1334645222 96049 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastefortunes < 1334645222 333648 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmm ... no. < 1334645226 772898 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1334645248 319209 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334645251 321480 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :180) ais523: my nose feels like a bad heuristic < 1334645255 646357 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334645258 814202 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :156) You people. You people are so stupid. I'm making a SOCIOLOGICAL statement here. < 1334645262 711972 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334645263 454107 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334645263 856512 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334645264 389864 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334645265 622522 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334645273 715916 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :452) Turned out he got recursion, he just didn't get the return statement < 1334645277 359059 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :229) as long as the first dozen pages don't contain the word "panties" it is probably a good story. < 1334645288 165546 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :531) like i could ask how many "petals" are there on each of the "flowers" on this coffee mug i just made a drink with but that would be NP hard I think < 1334645288 361819 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :172) dc -e '[a=]P?[b=]P?[dSarLa%d0 I was more of a pervert in Metaplace than Utherverse I invented Metaplace sex >.> < 1334645324 343165 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334645324 519439 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334645324 871625 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334645325 47511 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334645325 224763 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334645338 493964 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :183) syntax is the least important part of a programming language other than Python < 1334645352 550732 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :242) mtve, now he's an expert idler. mtve: kitty kitty kitty < 1334645353 697788 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :249) who's walter bright and why is he so bright locks: he's to D what I'm to ooc locks: guilty < 1334645353 857446 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :564) Maybe I should try to learn Scala instead of Ruby I will boil your veins. Which is less bad? Probably Scala, but I don't want you learning languages. < 1334645354 413479 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :271) file:///home/fis/src/chainlance/tapestats.png -- yes, I think it's nice that way when the edge is always the opponent's flag. < 1334645460 486993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My FAILURE is immortalized there. :/ :( < 1334645851 500510 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1334646476 584267 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HOW DID YOU GET THAT FILE? < 1334646495 669969 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION issues DMCA takedown notice. < 1334646661 754436 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :180 :D < 1334646678 666592 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes fungot says funny things < 1334646678 858495 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: people like different songs because they have different senses of humour, chicks would like me less of a man! < 1334646704 356091 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes fungot almost makes sense < 1334646704 607252 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i have a great idea, dromiceiomimus: stories for women actually wanting the intercourse with them, dromiceiomimus? no way, dude! do i like it because it's so delicious because i like to keep my own counsel. for what are ghosts, but souls, we find the idea of instincts! we mate! i am, a little! < 1334647086 511673 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does fungot ignore the contents of the sentence that was used to trigger it? < 1334647086 693480 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the future, so yeah? you had a cold night... to remember. if a new ambulance anyway. my point! is everything ready dromiceiomimus? < 1334647369 832101 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fungot < 1334647370 53197 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, i must have put that in your pipe and smoke it? i would argue that you are in a relationship with a woman he respects, and they don't do anything they might regret before they get married, and have children! the only career she wants to spend a friday as weekend, why not monday too? < 1334647392 874421 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that almost made sense < 1334647988 851177 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"almost make sense" is a design goal of fungot, I think. < 1334647989 21803 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you must have had crazy dreams last night and hey, look, this was their word of the day last week, i will now share this secret. < 1334648000 777636 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Share it! < 1334648000 937437 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: more so than usual, t-rex < 1334648014 835259 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more so than usual, t-rex < 1334648016 937720 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1334648017 97695 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz* sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1334648024 402171 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's set to qwantz. < 1334648033 844290 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1334648034 4430 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1334648035 423138 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1334648035 731086 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there is no way similar to another developer and be finished once and for the record, i've seen too many cocks in his pants too... < 1334648048 143582 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style jargon < 1334648048 303722 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: jargon (UNIX-HATERS mailing list archive) < 1334648053 215101 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot fungot fungot < 1334648053 597988 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they then remark: internet article in the car and one wheel on the gnu project in 1982. < 1334649261 902594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1334649264 38698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Kick pikhq_. < 1334649266 542215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kickhq < 1334649267 270061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1334649445 594916 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B4A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334649717 475699 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's still on it? That's impressive. < 1334649752 580651 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: He was just dying to make that joke. < 1334649768 418464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1334649771 114168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You kick pikhq too. < 1334649771 871189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1334649992 331015 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should write an IRC bot to kick elliott next time he joins. < 1334650039 410033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, could someone help me with something that makes no sense? with the libraries on the OS I'm testing (Ubuntu Oneiric), the symbol COLS is not defined in ncursesw, either the .a or .so version; nor is it defined in a program linked to those; but gcc somehow knows to put it in the BSS rather than giving a link error < 1334650042 938890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ideas? < 1334650047 479744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU ld, I guess < 1334650053 662478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is fizziew a Unicode version of fizzie? < 1334650074 993491 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1334650169 606779 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next person to use "Unicode" to mean "UTF-16" or worse "UCS-2" gets beat. < 1334650197 440912 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And no, I have no clue how that could possibly happen, except maybe the weirdest linker script. < 1334650198 136165 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode Big Indian < 1334650227 286619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: hmm, I wonder if libncursesw claims to be unicode or just BMP < 1334650233 273392 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Java still use UCS-2? < 1334650240 446706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no, it uses UTF-16 nowadays < 1334650249 505554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much to the confusion of people who assume it uses UCS-2 < 1334650262 240235 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it exposes the existence of surrogate pairs to the user? < 1334650264 426951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some value of "uses", anyway, since the API is not so nice. < 1334650265 970592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its char type thus can't necessarily hold one codepoint, being only 16 bits wide < 1334650268 477007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1334650280 993376 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1334650302 369238 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And uses invalid UTF-8 internally. < 1334650328 718732 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friggin' CESU-8. < 1334650347 781847 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wfizzie_t < 1334650420 851642 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CESU-8 has got to be the most ridiculous encoding of Unicode in actual use. < 1334650431 867603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, found the BSS request, it's in /usr/lib/libtinfo.so < 1334650458 868528 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And the linker script requests that, presumably? < 1334650477 881969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, I haven't found the linker script :) < 1334650487 861825 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should just be /usr/lib/libncursesw.so < 1334650511 684166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INPUT(libncursesw.so.5 -ltinfo) < 1334650513 447522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, it is < 1334650534 248444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to end up having to get aimake to parse linker scripts at this rate :) < 1334650540 595821 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta love asshatish stuff like that. < 1334650554 18311 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should learn how to do more crazy shit with linker scripts < 1334650576 441292 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should know more about how linkers work. < 1334650579 84898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found it using the simple expedient of running nm on the whole of /usr/lib < 1334650581 27301 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that pain to do what pkg-config should do. < 1334650584 464842 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except sometimes I feel like I should know less about how linkers work. < 1334650593 182669 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://www.iecc.com/linker/ is nice < 1334650620 995340 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksplice is powered by linker magic, which I think is unusual for a commercial product < 1334650636 638995 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more products are powered by compiler magic or other sorts of magic < 1334650650 533563 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, most commonly, cargo cult rituals. < 1334650683 208851 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksplice is at heart a very specialized linker and a very specialized kernel-mode dynamic loader (and to some degree, un-linker) < 1334650746 972258 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual business of making old function jump to new is pretty simple and boring in comparison < 1334650801 295778 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1334650858 202326 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"un-linker" meaning it looks at the contents of memory and figures out what the static linker and dynamic loader did to get it that way < 1334650932 562383 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, basically trying to figure out what was originally symbol references. < 1334650953 377128 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1334650956 68486 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which of course you need to do so that you can then re-link them. < 1334650968 686750 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1334651014 774367 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how ksplice can find static functions in order to patch them, or in order to call them from code that's being patched in < 1334651035 223119 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's hard-core linker magic right there. < 1334651054 912576 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a dangerous heuristicky thing. < 1334651057 29571 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it breaks every time the kernel wizards introduce a new kind of self modifying code < 1334651070 418418 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it seems they do practically every week < 1334651089 36818 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it does some very conservative checks before proceeding with the patch < 1334651170 522287 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also relies to some extent on data structures not changing. (which is generally not going to happen in a security patch, and strictly speaking could be worked around by manual munging...) < 1334651188 284915 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :checks that the code in memory is instruction-for-instruction identical to the pre-patched code built as part of the update < 1334651216 829270 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, some ksplice updates have manually written hooks to fix up data structures or perform safety checks on apply or reverse < 1334651232 249073 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. < 1334651244 975680 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :situations which require such hooks can be detected automatically in some but not all cases < 1334651250 706198 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically what anyone would do if the need came up. < 1334651413 515703 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame about Oracle making the service distinctly less useful (and, I'd imagine, less profitable. I mean, who *uses* Oracle Linux?) < 1334651424 388798 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1334651446 884219 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they expect that more people will use Oracle Linux if it has Ksplice and Red Hat doesn't < 1334651452 367632 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also they undercut Red Hat on price < 1334651525 337030 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but getting into the "cheaper RHEL" market is a recipe for getting undercut. < 1334651543 91770 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1334651552 509554 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a dangerous game because CentOS is already free :) < 1334651557 838803 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. :) < 1334651601 273473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: gah, elliott's trying to get me to kick you in PM now < 1334651631 700319 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Don't be silly. You can't kick people in PM. < 1334651661 98527 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you don't want a Red Hat-y distro, well. Always Debian. < 1334651674 64689 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that Oracle's motivation in selling Oracle Linux is not the revenue (miniscule compared to their database and Enterprise nonsense), but some kind of diabolical vertical integration scheme < 1334651674 417292 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi debian < 1334651683 306788 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that Oracle is even slightly likely to actually get into the market of *unique* distros) < 1334651692 527187 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Such is Oracle. < 1334651711 339982 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought RHEL was pointless until I started carefully reading through every kernel commit made by Red Hat, Debian, Ubuntu, etc. < 1334651725 839958 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realized the RHEL people actually do a lot of testing and figuring out what the fuck is going on < 1334651730 487478 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that Debian and Ubuntu do this poorly < 1334651747 749186 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Red Hat's really a pretty large chunk of the ecosystem. < 1334651763 785451 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't even know when a given security hole is introduced or fixed < 1334651788 391334 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the Sun buyout, Oracle now has hardware, OS, and apps... < 1334651797 496931 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do believe they're trying an IBM. < 1334651802 150421 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ksplice? < 1334651811 183753 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Kernel patches, live. < 1334651854 937020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I thought they were suing Google < 1334651861 627377 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: technology for applying patches to a running Linux kernel (which is still open-source software), plus a commercial subscription service of same for popular distros (which has been acquired by Oracle) < 1334651905 292515 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not what I'm talking about; rather, that Oracle is trying to get the same level of verticle integration that IBM specialised in. < 1334651914 24344 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider the mainframe market. < 1334651920 435611 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You bought literally everything from IBM. < 1334651924 912232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what you meant, just wanted to make a snide comment < 1334651928 139068 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. < 1334651955 486388 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what does the commercial service do, exactly? < 1334652007 187957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ports patches to Linux to work with ksplice < 1334652007 400031 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Creating those patches can sometimes require manual effort, and you *probably* want to test them, and you *definitely* want to get them out basically as quickly as possible after a bug has a patch. < 1334652025 620375 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when (say) Ubuntu puts out a new kernel, we would download their patches, review them, munge them to work with Ksplice, and then build them to apply on every original-kernel-version since forever < 1334652026 756242 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see < 1334652044 244401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hmm, do you actually work for ksplice? < 1334652049 585877 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1313F2.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334652052 403723 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did < 1334652055 576161 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quit when they got acquired < 1334652056 280691 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes, there is the fact that you want the patch to apply to basically every relevant kernel. < 1334652059 204444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1334652068 284617 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1313F2.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning everybody < 1334652071 981202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what happened to their blog post where they fixed a security vulnerability in Bowser's castle? < 1334652073 746785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one was great < 1334652076 446497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning KingOfKarlsruhe < 1334652104 546684 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could log into a machine that was booted 2 years before the Ksplice software or company existed, and apply 300 patches in a few minutes to get it up to date, with no service disruption < 1334652142 200680 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty bewildering how many things Oracle has. They've got 7 freaking databases! < 1334652171 691675 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oracle acquires smaller companies at a staggering rate < 1334652193 572250 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksplice moved into the offices of another Cambridge-area company which had been recently acquired < 1334652197 845748 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will be joined by a third soon < 1334652211 64469 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why they've got Berkeley DB *and* MySQL... < 1334652239 722636 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Oracle < 1334652292 411191 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like 2005 hit and they started flailing in hopes of remaining relevant while they still had the clout to do buyouts by the dozen. < 1334652295 155883 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah, Ksplice stopped supporting Red Hat < 1334652327 431834 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik everyone with an account pre-acquisition was grandfathered in and still gets new updates < 1334652330 524194 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise, yes < 1334652526 176322 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially strange the products they keep around... Like, why bother with Solaris? < 1334652555 121914 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it does things linux doesn't < 1334652566 549432 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people have huge codebases for it < 1334652574 244050 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will still pay money for it, so why not sell it to them? < 1334652587 426572 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've tried to outsource more of the solaris development to open source community < 1334652592 426077 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a pre-Oracle Sun initiative, iirc < 1334652597 697056 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oracle took all that back. < 1334652601 222244 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1334652606 209742 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenSolaris is disbanded. < 1334652622 88015 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it has some new non-trademarked name < 1334652678 127795 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It disbanded because Oracle went back to a cathedral development model. < 1334652723 732061 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-6.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illumos is a straight-up *fork*. < 1334653521 18570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : My XCode project wouldn't compile. The error message was pretty meaningless so I ignored it, cleaned, and built again. Same problem. So I tried again. Still no success. So I kept going. Around the 25th try, the compile succeeded. < 1334653786 638468 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-157-201.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334653921 716504 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-109.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1334654546 394772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, I just got three emails from the accountant at work < 1334654557 447968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first asking me to do something illegal, the subsequent ones asking me to do something meaningless < 1334654594 384609 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I just wanted to mention that you shouldn't play elliott's silly game. Don't kick pikhq_! pikhq_ is a valuable member of this channel. < 1334654617 21868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you think I was likely to arbitrarily kick pikhq_ just because elliott told me to? < 1334654636 627339 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No. < 1334654657 411403 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly just said that so I could quote it to elliott. < 1334654661 879255 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm playing right into his trap. :-( < 1334655694 830485 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ais523: http://www.getoto.net/noise/tag/bowser/ ? < 1334655695 92913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1334655723 375409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: ooh, indeed, that seems to be a mirror < 1334655758 371380 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also the wayback machine < 1334655780 903690 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2011/Apr/24 < 1334655792 201417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still wondering what unintended side effects that patch has < 1334655813 681942 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1334655818 828985 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were never too clear on how it works < 1334655878 93556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that it makes facing irrelevant in the ejection routine < 1334655887 364985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would mean that zipping right would become impossible and zipping left would be trivial < 1334655971 86898 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1334655978 329939 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'zipping' meaning walking through walls? < 1334656059 775984 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zipping is abusing wall ejection algorithms to go to the other side of a wall < 1334656064 340597 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the side you ought to be on < 1334656118 327530 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of games attempt to eject you from terrain like this: if you're contained in a block, move the player towards the edge of the block, or in the opposite direction they're facing, or whatever. so performing a successful zip involves getting deep into the wall or facing the 'wrong direction' < 1334656135 787066 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1334656147 280408 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, how do you get in the wall in the first place? as an example, in smb1 there's a technique called 'walljumping' < 1334656159 23512 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you land at the exact pixel and subpixel on a block-block boundary on a wall < 1334656162 182554 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game thinks you're on solid ground < 1334656176 866829 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you duck jump again you can get yourself embedded in the wall (I think that's what you do) < 1334656181 295670 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and after that it'll push you forward < 1334656194 339374 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just go to the tasvideos page for smb, hang on < 1334656224 621123 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tasvideos.org/GameResources/NES/SuperMarioBros.html < 1334656302 141088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: my own explanation: many games program collisions by waiting for an overlap, then pushing you out of the wall; zipping's when you persuade it to push you in the wrong direction and you go further into the wall instead < 1334656314 317393 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1334657013 546994 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1313F2.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643] < 1334657117 562377 :cheater__!~cheater@g230226153.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1334657317 567533 :cheater_!~cheater@g230220167.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1334657692 355414 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-211-106.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric 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:nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334691212 713442 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :541) Maybe if you try diplomacy. Pointy steel diplomacy < 1334691213 858990 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334691215 49579 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334691216 288195 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334691216 490195 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :77) Where's the link to the log? THERE'S NO LOG. YOUR REQUEST IS SUSPICIOUS AND HAS BEEN LOGGED. < 1334691221 584842 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :103) sekuoir: that's just gay sex I am learning though! < 1334691222 2424 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :595) When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a monad. < 1334691232 522674 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :437) pikhq, living in the future sucks. The past just keeps coming up to us and trying to make us feel guilty. < 1334691240 925312 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@ip094201.uvm.edu QUIT : < 1334691304 225935 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334691307 202657 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :9) Lil`Cube: you had cavity searches? not yet trying to thou, just so I can check it off on my list of things to expirence < 1334691308 841300 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334691309 226431 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334691309 634513 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334691310 66328 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334691320 216527 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :14) First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, you know the rest. < 1334691323 698152 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can quote take so much time? < 1334691330 144136 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :372) Felix's home page and Falcon's home page are actually the same page < 1334691332 196654 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :164) Why do you use random acronyms you know we don't know the expansions of? alise: TLAAW < 1334691332 641150 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :263) so you have legacy software in befunge that needs supported? < 1334691416 807685 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see the context of 263 < 1334691444 448065 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1334691706 231510 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334691707 861673 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334691708 864639 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :204) OK, let's reduce the human genome to 4 chromosomes, in 2 homologous pairs. < 1334691710 561849 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :182) elliott: it's hard to debug havoc on your mirror if you accidentally hit r, then a character could be multiple words long, depending on the task. < 1334691711 280 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334691714 20682 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :66) im the worst person in the world < 1334691714 286642 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334691715 738073 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334691718 163689 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :552) i am out of all the fame loops and the australien soap opera loops so much loop / s omcuh < 1334691719 309609 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :834) may I use my phone says it's nick to clarify < 1334691819 463189 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :` < 1334691822 327397 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1334691840 100935 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastefortunes < 1334691845 663987 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14246 < 1334691950 982737 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334691953 605670 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :266) OK, I give up, logging into Wikia is harder than writing a Firefox extension < 1334691962 969769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes this one < 1334691963 258955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1334691968 616730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never did finish that extension, though < 1334691986 421279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: not funny < 1334692018 63596 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I typed 1 slash instead of 2, if it helps. < 1334692047 335272 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reading* wikia is horrible enough, why would you want to log in? < 1334692067 544302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: to set the skin to be less obnoxious, logged-in users have preferences < 1334692099 434474 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a chicken-and-egg thing < 1334692173 763272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, you can also set preferences in the URL, but they don't follow links < 1334692183 471230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the obvious thing to do (for me, anyway) was write a Firefox extension to make them do that < 1334692196 69233 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly the thought I just had < 1334692212 455725 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without realizing that that was the topic of the quote) < 1334692526 586776 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...while providing me < 1334692546 612429 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...while providing me with everything, including the kitchen sink (that is to say, emacs)." < 1334692561 286305 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :androic sucks < 1334692624 329649 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*androirc < 1334692666 401613 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1334692669 534483 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :449) elliott: i have yet to demonstrate that the sml community has less productive power than the real chunk of meat. < 1334692676 821282 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot < 1334692687 246275 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1334692687 406828 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon* lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1334692693 779493 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot < 1334692696 601811 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot hi < 1334692704 518838 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1334692704 678728 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1334692706 669376 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot < 1334692716 569639 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would fungot do? < 1334692719 394883 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1334692849 710204 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1334692864 589994 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is elliott still on leave < 1334692874 397947 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you still on leave < 1334692880 49081 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi monqy < 1334692906 63373 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot broken? < 1334692906 913463 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i lived in some country, isn't it, psykotic? ( if you know who invented oekaki and when. < 1334692912 160672 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? < 1334692912 502016 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fnord does it really generate code thats better than caml?) < 1334692923 649951 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot < 1334692923 836914 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ( defun id ( x) x < 1334692928 104350 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would fungot do? < 1334692928 535602 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: give yourself plenty of time left... i just constrained the points to a < 1334692936 757761 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO A WHAT, FUNGOT? < 1334692938 295640 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fungot i also in #scheme < 1334692938 794794 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the above extension is of course a fnord will fit in one fnord syntax bindings' right hand sides are evaluated.", getline < 1334692943 116691 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO A WHAT, fungot? < 1334692943 339714 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not if it's funge98. < 1334692972 898979 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B131EEF.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :juhuuu scheme! i thought this channel is only for haskell < 1334692988 971064 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you a haskell < 1334692989 270955 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: where is the problem? there we go < 1334693019 366048 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hlepp < 1334693019 752307 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ( else ( cond ( 42 and)) expands to ( fnord:) < 1334693073 208955 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B131EEF.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: why haskell? < 1334693073 513973 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: our typing teacher always taught us to use mutation < 1334693113 706502 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fungot colon < 1334693114 82074 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i must not be a solution yes. i'm proposing a hypothetical system where it was < 1334693121 122643 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oh. < 1334693121 539410 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because that seems to be mostly living and fill this damn form, because otherwise too many fnord < 1334693131 547072 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO MANY FNORD < 1334693135 434111 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1334693135 879577 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://www.schemers.org/ documents/ standards/ r5rs/ html/ srfi/ optional.ss" " srfi" < 1334693138 255256 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi monqy < 1334693138 551667 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if you listened to your stomach at the same time < 1334693167 670927 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot also finnish? < 1334693168 50044 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: and so's dc. but eg. in fnord the contests usually suck < 1334693184 657821 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style suomi < 1334693184 818508 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1334693186 950356 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1334693187 110490 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1334693195 249766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1334693195 409901 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1334693200 542815 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot < 1334693202 2391 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the european council considered that some of you have referred, is a beneficiary of objective i, which depend on how resolutely the union implements the lisbon strategy and undertake an in-depth study into all aspects of the euro, i would also be appropriate to follow the emergency situation, i do not therefore believe that the regulations are approved and that emphasis is not laid on parliament's budgetary powers to t < 1334693221 28780 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: tell me more about the european council considered < 1334693222 356189 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: madam president, i can tell you that the final agreement, i, too, is an idea that i would ask the house to approve this text although it is somewhat comic. on the basis of existing negotiated agreements is the capacity to implement regional cooperation. pakistan has been but it has made no contribution at all this, these are oral questions. we perhaps, therefore, it will come to a halt and ultimate collapse or whether < 1334693249 634335 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: tell me more about on the basis of existing negotiated agreements < 1334693250 303331 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: mr president, i see, for example, as i indicated, there were reasons for doing so in the context of the forthcoming spring summit will be the commission's intention to fnord the item on the agenda. < 1334693271 531234 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: tell me more about fnord in the european parliament speeches < 1334693272 525345 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the action plan and in the inner city in my constituency in wales, which i would draw your attention to some of the member states. the reasoning was that financial services, which will have to deal with the election of the commission, which is a cause of great controversy in the eu. < 1334693406 670539 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64 < 1334693406 869393 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) < 1334693420 859010 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot c64 < 1334693437 852876 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf and fungot, sitting in a tree < 1334693438 154386 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: when one of these table items may be read by the following chart: pla, 233, 247, 249 < 1334693467 932515 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Can't two bots even talk to each other anymore without rumours starting? < 1334693474 274367 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nope < 1334693482 771249 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi olsnerfungot < 1334693483 114375 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: numbers smaller than 4k bytes long, that sprite 0. the video chip. from now on we will define sprite locations as v plus a value may be calcu- lated as follows: < 1334693492 499733 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :calcu- lated < 1334693500 628392 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers smaller than 4k bytes long ... puny numbers < 1334693506 281120 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calc u lator, alligator! < 1334695395 914810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this is an interesting problem mathematically < 1334695428 399117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have 256 numbers that are ordered in a cyclic sequence; you don't know the sequence, but for many pairs of numbers, you know if A is closer behind B, or B is closer behind A < 1334695436 717522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the problem is to work out the sequence < 1334695450 462412 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it guaranteed there's exactly one solution? < 1334695482 295489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I know there's only one correct solution, and I think there's enough data to avoid other solutions being possible < 1334695499 60232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a sort of bubble sort would work < 1334695524 667259 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the numbers and pairs? < 1334695532 81779 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would like to try. < 1334695534 562336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :start with an arbitrary order, if two values are the wrong way round, move the second value to just before the first in the sequence < 1334695552 763895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this file has a huge number of duplicates; I'm just removing them at the moment, then I'll pastebin it < 1334695571 20658 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B4A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334695571 735791 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B131EEF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643] < 1334695622 938245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by huge, I mean it's millions of lines long < 1334695631 596622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and clearly there are only 65536 possible pairs, most of which aren't there < 1334695637 250221 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 256 nodes? < 1334695656 770360 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does this problem come from, anyway? < 1334695664 5386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse-engineering a PRNG < 1334695677 773217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/eUFH < 1334695705 958164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about the obnoxious sort order < 1334695723 985800 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is: pla, 233, 247, 249 < 1334695807 868832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, hmm < 1334695810 696215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this file has both 5 0 and 0 5 < 1334695820 91113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and both 5 1 and 1 5 < 1334695822 633756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, now I'm confused < 1334695826 170636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I need to take more low bits < 1334695845 774127 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the context of this? < 1334695854 254418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse-engineering a PRNG, as I said < 1334695863 84038 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I missed that. < 1334695864 144399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the low bits are believed to have a reasonably short period, but we don't have consecutive outputs < 1334695881 623330 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Maybe 0 5 and 5 0 means that they're the same distance apart? < 1334695922 956143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it means that they're skipping more than 128 entries sometimes, so 256 is too low a value < 1334695925 606530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries with 4096 < 1334696647 785960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, no x y with y x pairs, this makes me happy < 1334696814 513882 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1334696997 211889 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-235-191.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334697034 16917 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1334697127 217128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK, I'd like your help with this bigger file, which does seem to obey the rules < 1334697141 65471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's 1.5 MB, so I can't pastebin it < 1334697174 510071 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I realized that the silly idea I had wouldn't actually work, but I guess I can think of it some more. :-) < 1334697181 271153 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you upload it somewhere? < 1334697186 215634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, I can, I guess < 1334697207 246849 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably very compressible, too. < 1334697216 770070 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want you can upload it to my web server. < 1334697303 843423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just putting an httpd on my server < 1334697324 152923 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could DCC it over IRC? < 1334697333 321846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dcc doesn't get through my router < 1334697700 522224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://nethack4.org/pastebin/1.txt < 1334697761 888960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, wrong file, sorry < 1334697778 510640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm uploading the sorted version now < 1334697817 200799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uploaded < 1334697886 579443 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the URL you gave? < 1334697906 210952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1334697960 144187 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there are 4096 integers in a cycle and e.g. the distance from 8 to 0 is shorter than the distance from 0 to 8 (going forward)? < 1334698037 379433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1334698374 832933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, how did bing find the site already, I wonder? < 1334698540 681889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, but it was checking the nonexistent directory /feed/ and nothing else < 1334698556 55914 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi bing < 1334698556 411089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's looking at whois, and just looking for http servers at every domain in existence < 1334698565 232687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, it checked robots.txt first, like any good crawler should) < 1334698594 47607 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dailychanges.com/gandi.net/2012-04-17/ < 1334698608 857388 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at all those great websites. < 1334698666 122112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of those I'm surprised weren't already taken < 1334698881 383331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, hmm, I'm not even sure what the best data structure to use for this is < 1334698899 923088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess an array treated as a circular buffer, but then I'll need to special-case wrapping around < 1334698937 383622 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: A graph? < 1334698967 831759 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is very similar to finding a Hamiltonian path, except you have more constraints. < 1334698976 128393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, indeed < 1334698979 832925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but graphs are a pain to find too < 1334698985 836877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pain to represent < 1334699008 782950 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can probably reduce this to some existing graph problem and find an existing solver for it. :-) < 1334699564 93692 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7 < 1334700232 15959 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1334700298 329603 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1334700348 322534 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can just sort the values using the graph as an ordering < 1334700380 563580 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... while waving your hands like crazy < 1334700756 161017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorts tend not to go in a cycle, sadly < 1334700769 495302 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B4A.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1334700769 842627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've heard of a cyclic sort algo < 1334700777 332260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is a cyclic /topological/ sort < 1334700794 604547 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B4A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334700801 308986 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B4A.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1334700821 99542 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may delay thinking about this until I have pencil and paper available. :-) < 1334700932 747874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ellison is in a suit and tie. < 1334700950 207937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't think it's theoretically possible for Larry Ellison /not/ to be in a suit and tie, right? < 1334700977 832406 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott is in a suit and tie? < 1334700993 18920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: elliott isn't in charge of Oracle :) < 1334701165 499337 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you say.. < 1334701255 388660 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1334701424 425229 :noor_!~noor@74-93-184-218-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334701716 433010 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geeze, I wear a tie every day and nobody gives me special props for it. < 1334702332 131983 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a stupid news article trying to make a commotion about the president’s official photo being photoshopped . People started to do some photoshopping of their own. :-D http://mikko.tuomela.net/temp/pic/niinisto_shopattu.jpg < 1334702333 896445 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.radiocity.fi/files/picture_460/2012_04_17_4f8d7f8db45d7.jpg http://oi42.tinypic.com/et780n.jpg < 1334702453 998421 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1334702596 544538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1334702651 186397 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1334702697 603934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1334702820 215814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1334703402 643034 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: do you like wearing a tie? < 1334703462 152594 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm, yes? Why would I if I didn't. < 1334703806 978275 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why do you need special props? < 1334703929 538505 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows Real Programmers don't wear a tie [/troll] < 1334703962 351279 :augur!~augur@wireless-206-196-167-135.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1334704045 979345 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: :( < 1334704079 367311 :augur!~augur@wireless-206-196-167-135.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1334704084 610174 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: why so sad? < 1334704125 501593 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1334704158 234409 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a time when I liked wearing a tie too.. I was a mormon. not claiming one has to be a religious nutcase to wear a tie, of course < 1334704227 159587 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing correct shell scripts is a lot more work than I originally thought.. lots of ways to screw up < 1334704345 95350 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1334704397 475001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote there was a time when I liked wearing a tie too.. I was a mormon. not claiming one has to be a religious nutcase to wear a tie, of course < 1334704400 735376 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :839) there was a time when I liked wearing a tie too.. I was a mormon. not claiming one has to be a religious nutcase to wear a tie, of course < 1334704428 307636 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1334704451 354547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, weird reaction < 1334704454 533325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it was unconnected < 1334704456 959805 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334704472 255413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so how are you getting on with the cyclic tsort? < 1334704499 44075 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, I was going to do it after getting home, where I have paper. < 1334704519 177972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, some to think of it, there quite possibly isn't enough information there to work out the small-scale details < 1334704528 843674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, umm, statistically < 1334704536 903219 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? < 1334704589 31159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't expect to have many or any distances of 1 or 2047 < 1334704598 743665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if two adjacent elements were swapped, would there be any way to tell? < 1334704615 177856 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe, if there enough information from the other distance-pairs. < 1334704628 237730 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I thought you just wanted any solution within the constraints. < 1334704692 699684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any solution is an interesting problem, but I'm looking for the actual one < 1334704702 785918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should work out the distribution of distances < 1334704706 669394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is hard without knowing what the cycle is < 1334704739 600944 :noor_!~noor@74-93-184-218-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noor_: whrzbrianfart action learniggn for me am special < 1334704755 558583 :noor_!~noor@74-93-184-218-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noor_: noor_: whrzbrianfart action learniggn for me am special < 1334704861 580822 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to apply ... INFINITE REVERB < 1334704895 117423 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What is the context of this PRNG? < 1334704898 121185 :noor_!~noor@74-93-184-218-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QECZ TI