< 1333152001 89087 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :herp derp < 1333152312 8182 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many programs are there that can typeset to DVI files? I know of TeX, GFtoDVI, and I think GNU troff has an option to output DVI as well. GNU Lilypond has partial support for DVI output. Are there others? < 1333152419 569085 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the church turing thesis posits there are at most 4 such programs < 1333152441 41271 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can the Church-Turing thesis posit such things? < 1333152456 670294 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(posit is possibly the best verb in the world) < 1333152665 638721 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am making the Haskell library for both input and output of DVI. It even does ligature and kerning. < 1333153000 277845 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-150-46.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1333153069 425587 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333153133 962362 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I was only trying to use a bot to edit the page about UniCode/fill in all Unicode characters in the table < 1333153155 509994 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not trying to make an edit using my bot to any other page. < 1333153172 768151 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-159-62.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333153208 167673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: A bot can have serious negative effects even if it's coded to only edit one page. < 1333153338 701383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a really bad thing for recent changes to be filled up with edits summarised only as "Wikipedia python library" when a bot's going wrong. < 1333153500 654249 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: "fill in all unicode characters"? why does the eso wiki need that? < 1333153602 283228 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: if you want a bot to do something, it'd be a better idea to run the bot locally (without it modifying the wiki in any way), review the changes, and then add a single change with whatever the bot did (if you think it did something good) < 1333153610 78739 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might have fixed the problem - if I don't delete and re-create the Page object before running Page.get() a second, third, etc. time, page.get() will always return the data that was in the page when the Page object was created. http://pastebin.com/mefcu3EV < 1333153644 917689 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, esolangs.org is not the appropriate environment to discover these bugs in your bot < 1333153648 440974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: That makes one edit per character. < 1333153662 243907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with olsner that the best thing to do would be to generate the wikicode you want locally (through any means you wish), then copying that to the page. < 1333153671 955967 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page about UniCode should show every unicode character and instruction in the table. < 1333153691 418562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having every Unicode character on a page wouldn't work, by the way. < 1333153701 126733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be an astronomically large page and likely cause problems with browsers. < 1333153754 480274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even just every Unicode character, with no additional wikicode arround it, is 100 kilobytes, way above the maximum size wiki pages can be without causing problems.) < 1333153861 591386 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=UniCode&action=edit&oldid=31630 (Restore this revision) < 1333153892 477845 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I don't think it's exactly what I say < 1333153924 778390 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like "when we synthesize new answers, let's do so in a persistent editable medium so we can combine and refine them, rather than just shouting them at each other" < 1333153939 870373 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Maybe your objection is less to syntehsizing and more to typing in answers of any kind to common questions in IRC. < 1333153945 761391 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1333153957 340388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: I don't think the table will mislead anyone as it is; it's less than a day until you'll be able to revert it yourself. < 1333153968 841770 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i've seen the standard answers improve over ~6 years of lurking in #haskell on and off < 1333153979 804200 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I would be loathe to institute a moratorium on new answers! < 1333153996 433865 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I know that trying to fill in all the unicode tables would increase the page size to almost 7MB < 1333154027 650852 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Have they improved as a result of people answering the same question? < 1333154041 133148 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just one Unicode character added to the table doesn't increase the page size to 100KB. It increases the page size to 100-104 bytes. < 1333154048 560356 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think it's more likely that they improved as a result of context/person-specific questions. < 1333154068 528277 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What I know is that people disagree about the answers, even questions that should have a proper answer people disagree, such as: data CoPh x; Does this make a monad? Does this make a comonad? I think it makes a comonad but not a monad; other people disagree < 1333154070 943234 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that someone suddenly came up with a better answer for "what is a monad?" the 500th time it was asked the same way. < 1333154113 98776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: Well, I'm not exactly sure what your bot is designed to do, because you haven't told anyone. < 1333154116 727875 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: At least how I would say, is, you should first understand what is an endofunctor < 1333154184 984414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: If it's just to add a line to the table on request to avoid retyping it, then wouldn't a MediaWiki template do just as well? < 1333154221 258760 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, not suddenly no < 1333154240 685202 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Do you think it would be at least better to split all the UniCode characters into subpages of [[UniCode]] and put them all in the wikitext as "{{:UniCode/TR1}} {{:UniCode/TR2}} ..."? < 1333154283 898801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would probably be worse, since it would result in tens to hundreds of pages. < 1333154290 910587 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, what does unicode have to do with the eso wiki? unicode.org has everything you could ever want to know about it < 1333154306 218822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: But I'm not really sure what you're trying to accomplish with the bot in the first place, like I said. < 1333154318 868878 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what about every UniCode instruction? < 1333154333 412875 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you make subpages, Unicode/00xxx Unicode/01xxx ... Unicode/10xxx ? < 1333154363 795399 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think we need more than that... < 1333154377 995601 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't UniCode long dead anyway? < 1333154382 831059 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it ever alive? < 1333154413 230480 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode/000xxx Unicode/001xxx Unicode/002xxx .... Unicode/00Fxxx Unicode/010xxx ... Unicode/0F0xxx Unicode/100xxx I think that is the maximum one. < 1333154422 295845 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UniCode has 65536 characters, each one would be assigned to a UniCode instruction. < 1333154438 1234 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some astral planes are private use so don't use those ones < 1333154449 629397 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some code points are surrogates so don't use those either < 1333154452 798643 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember the Unicode characters and UniCode programming language instructions to think of. < 1333154465 172606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: Incorrect. < 1333154469 236647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode has more than 110,000 characters. < 1333154476 909651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been bigger than 16 bits for a long time now. < 1333154505 477732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since 1996, in fact) < 1333154561 917371 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthmermore, a glyph consists of one or more codepoints. < 1333154565 798116 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode only has 65536 characters. It's Unicode Big Endian which has more than 110,000 characters. Actually, most operating systems still only support ASCII, ANSI, and Unicode, not Unicode Big Endian. < 1333154572 31121 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: FAIL < 1333154594 658775 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1333154613 611046 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, Unicode Big Endian is only an encoding of Unicode, it is not a different Unicode. < 1333154614 938266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 1996, a surrogate character mechanism was implemented in Unicode 2.0, so that Unicode was no longer restricted to 16 bits. This increased the Unicode codespace to over a million code points, which allowed for the encoding of many historic scripts (e.g. Egyptian Hieroglyphs) and thousands of rarely-used or obsolete characters that had not been anticipated as needing encoding." < 1333154623 970666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unicode defines a codespace of 1,114,112 code points in the range 0hex to 10FFFFhex." < 1333154626 166009 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"big endian" isn't a single encoding either < 1333154634 507483 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt: NSQX is wrong about unicode < 1333154661 845734 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: The latest Unicode standard contains 110,116 characters. < 1333154672 819017 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the BIG ENDIAN unicode, biggest unicode yet < 1333154718 155955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't Windows support astral planes these days? < 1333154721 499473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think GTK does. Does Qt still not yet? < 1333154722 278513 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :big indian unicode http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0900.pdf < 1333154723 898094 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, Unicode is not *itself* a character encoding, but rather a set of characters, with several encodings. < 1333154725 659374 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the C wchar_t only supports character codes up to 65536. < 1333154729 193612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :incorrect < 1333154729 716821 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Windows has for a decade now. < 1333154742 437454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: wchar_t is of implementation-designed size, it can be as little as 8 bits < 1333154742 846230 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX, wrong again, it's so on Windows but on UNIX it's usually 32 bits < 1333154759 493183 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell specifies the Char is Unicode from 0hex to 10FFFFhex, but I think, Ibtlfmm shall go up to FFFFFFhex and the implementation is not required to be Unicode, it can use anything, as long as it is ASCII. < 1333154759 854163 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in about 5 years, I think most web browsers will even fully support astral planes < 1333154766 421909 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, let's just get on with planning the UniCode language instructions now. < 1333154774 152377 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX, start by understanding Unicode? < 1333154791 853690 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: On Windows, wchar_t is a 16 bit type. However, it is typically used with UTF-16, which can encode all of Unicode. < 1333154804 695554 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means one wchar_t isn't necessarily one character < 1333154811 552131 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even setting aside combining characters) < 1333154817 772531 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(prior to Windows XP, it was more typically UCS-16, which encodes only the base multilingual plane) < 1333154839 877771 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can utif-8 also handle all of unicode? < 1333154840 39758 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, GHC also allows invalid Unicode characters like '\xD800'; I don't know if that's addressed in the spec < 1333154843 408651 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Yes. < 1333154844 770070 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, yes < 1333154845 349975 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*utf-8 < 1333154848 108979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: yes < 1333154851 545224 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf-8 is a wonderfully designed encoding < 1333154858 764658 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 actually has *much* more space than is necessary. < 1333154878 452110 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 could in theory represent a 32-bit space. < 1333154931 479298 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I do know that; I have tried it. I don't know if the spec mentions that either. But I would make the new one, instead of being Unicode, it is simply 24-bits and all values are valid, and it does not matter what character set you use as long as it is ASCII. < 1333154949 432656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any colour you want, as long as it's black < 1333154965 194964 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333154998 777434 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I do know, UTF-8 can be used to encode numbers beyond Unicode (although if you do so, it will not make a valid Unicode text data) < 1333155019 546765 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah. NSQX does not. < 1333155055 541669 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That is not what I mean < 1333155067 856127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :) < 1333155180 314253 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1333155258 513474 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: BTW, every OS that's not hilariously archaic uses a Unicode transformation format, with everything else considered a legacy feature. < 1333155280 473309 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unices on UTF-8, OS X on UTF-8, Windows on UTF-8 and UTF-16... < 1333155494 509020 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 QUIT : < 1333155543 997926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1333155652 886236 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will usually use ASCII; my feature for new computer and system, uses NK (8-bits encoding) internally, but FBUCE (which is 16-bits encoding, alhough character codes as 12-bits and the other 4-bits are used for other features) can also be used, as well as any other 8-bits encoding which can transform to FBUCE (NK also can transform to FBUCE). FBUCE has 512 control characters, and has some characters which are not part of Unicode, but does not h < 1333155750 79644 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Unicode should also define non-surrogate purposes of surrogate codes, such as to represent keystrokes which have no character code. They are not needed in text but can be used in a GHC Char and so on. < 1333156181 864110 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why shouldn't it be allowed to use "data instance" where "type instance" is expected? < 1333156291 531866 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You mean, instead of defining a data type on your own and then making a type synonym to it? < 1333156320 27025 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1333156346 186750 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like a reasonable thing to do. data instance and type instance are different things. < 1333156408 774184 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know data instance and type instance are different things. But if you use "data instance" where "type instance" is expected (or "data" instead of "type" in a class instance declaration), it should be able to make up an anonymous datatype and use that. < 1333157884 122570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, NSQX just evaded their block and vandalised my old user page. < 1333157911 770949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've lengthened their block to a week. I suspect it should be longer. < 1333158203 777609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:202.156.14.101 And there we go. < 1333158395 422509 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeeze. I... Think the lottery's jackpot went high enough that you can expect a slight profit from tickets. < 1333158414 725313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Unlikely; see: < 1333158418 781531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://r6.ca/blog/20090522T015739Z.html < 1333158509 558709 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not to say that it overcomes the near-guarantee you'll lose your $1. < 1333158540 4670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the probabilities still even that out. The point is that the $1 is way, way too big unless you're super rich. < 1333158602 301518 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, $640 million payout with 1 in 175,711,536 odds of jackpot are fairly obscene. < 1333158647 171410 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I should note that I've not gone out and paid anything, because 175,711,535 in 175,711,536 odds of losing $1 are not odds I like much) < 1333158723 862371 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. Yeah, I think the situation here is nearly the same as the linked one. < 1333158740 910187 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty bad investment unless you've got several million already. < 1333158827 351375 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it amuses me that it's theoretically possible to make a profit from lottery tickets. < 1333158850 676280 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, theoretically possible to *expect* a profit from them. < 1333158942 784821 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: there was a post on reddit calculating that if you bought every possible ticket and didn't split the jackpot, you would earn $400M < 1333158971 843206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds non-trivial < 1333159024 399541 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Iff you get the annuity option, I assume. < 1333159045 300553 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't account for the income tax. < 1333159054 289737 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: That was assuming 50% tax < 1333159060 490533 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1333159063 882531 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1333159074 340692 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/DLwLF.jpg < 1333159079 860629 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wrong < 1333159081 400409 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 70< < 1333159083 343450 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*70M < 1333159086 796913 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible < 1333159132 960688 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The figures are off the cash option payout. < 1333159148 783088 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which... Is a bit silly. < 1333159162 954902 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently that's nearly $200 million that just up and disappears. < 1333159211 938324 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, taking the annuity would mean there would be a few *years* before you profit. < 1333159229 902346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long would it take to buy all the tickets? :p < 1333159257 836973 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. How fast are the printers? < 1333159289 187486 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only it take a long time but it would cost a lot of money and energy too < 1333159324 786273 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You can buy a large amount of tickets at a time. < 1333159343 695096 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shops selling them have printers that generate them. < 1333159360 42919 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :divide and conquer < 1333159367 681569 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need 175 million tickets < 1333159381 848055 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, given the amount of money at hand you could probably pay people to help buy tickets. < 1333159393 556768 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or create a giant collective < 1333159409 156222 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. A corporation could actually go out and do this. < 1333159422 15940 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lottery Winners, Inc." < 1333159425 682257 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, just pay the retailers to convince everyone buying tickets to get in on it :P < 1333159461 197635 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you have to select which number you want, too; try to select the number that nobody else is going to select. < 1333159468 396130 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now there's a business model. Buy in to lotteries with EV greater than the ticket. < 1333159483 728188 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: exactly < 1333159489 794413 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: convince every buyer to get in on it < 1333159508 314796 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In the lottery scheme in question, tickets aren't *necessarily* unique. < 1333159520 305280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : you need 175 million tickets < 1333159521 424080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that all? < 1333159526 581403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that lotteries really don't like people gaming them, though. < 1333159534 879959 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they dont' mind < 1333159537 210923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect there's regulations to stop this kind of stuff at a way smaller scale. < 1333159540 743099 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what they care about is people thinking they can be gamed < 1333159541 413262 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Gaming them in this *particular* way is generally acceptable. < 1333159554 169965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Fair enough. < 1333159562 101595 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not some unintended consequence, but rather a mere coincidence. < 1333159570 481280 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't really care if someone is secretly buying all the good scratchcards < 1333159584 741798 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :people will buy the duds < 1333159595 762545 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all they need to do is keep the secret from getting out < 1333159597 285940 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should note that the jackpot only gets this high when there's been a few weeks of no jackpot being awarded. < 1333159612 432424 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, even when each ticket has positive EV, they've made a profit. < 1333159986 678187 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have invented a variant of video poker which can be played using scratch lottery cards < 1333160714 123710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going by the webserver logs, NSQX is still running that bot. I can't tell why. < 1333160926 560933 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rules: Before discarding any cards, you must announce what number of cards you want to discard. However. after each discard, you can look at the replacement card before deciding which card you want to discard next. (But you are not allowed to discard the replacement cards.) < 1333161056 492658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1333161057 157233 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Sat Mar 31 03:30:56 < 1333161279 548989 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much advantage does the player have in this variant of video poker? < 1333161369 75492 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have called this game "scratch poker") < 1333162363 413599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1333162364 29258 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Sat Mar 31 03:52:43 < 1333162371 251031 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1333162374 398600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for pikhq_ is Fri Mar 30 20:52:25 2012 < 1333162393 409677 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: When do you sleep? < 1333162394 991452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're time is wrong < 1333162410 374807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: uh probably like 4ish < 1333162427 689172 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ntpd says my time is right. < 1333162521 832588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1333162708 489895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote esolang a horror movie where the ghost just wanders around and moves newspapers and boots and family pictures a few inches before moving on < 1333162711 740248 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :835) esolang a horror movie where the ghost just wanders around and moves newspapers and boots and family pictures a few inches before moving on < 1333162745 999916 :Tiktalik!znc@ec2-46-137-223-5.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Changing host < 1333162746 199396 :Tiktalik!znc@unaffiliated/tiktalik JOIN :#esoteric < 1333164384 943432 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :const < 1333164940 742568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1333165183 813904 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1333165898 44349 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1333166244 884481 :ion!ion@GYKMMMDCLI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1333166404 104792 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone may eventually notice the movement, or notice that something is wrong even if they don't know what it is < 1333166726 5295 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.90.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333166958 563872 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1333168318 531863 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 NICK :itidus21 < 1333170654 609465 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.90.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1333170659 780495 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.90.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1333170664 665353 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1333170666 76645 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1333170911 533744 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.90.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI < 1333172215 19528 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, is that the ghost hand just wanters around and move everything just one inch? < 1333172219 105231 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not? < 1333172234 268045 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a ghost? < 1333172242 943368 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it very well may be that ghost < 1333172901 705739 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sounds like the information you gave me about NYC pizza is outdated: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/31/nyregion/in-manhattan-pizza-war-price-of-slice-keeps-dropping.html?pagewanted=all < 1333172933 600336 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i just heard about this < 1333172954 9705 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how did you hear about it? < 1333172987 132411 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Internet. < 1333173025 75731 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear they have the internet on computers now < 1333173097 781318 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, but that Internet tastes kind of mechanical. < 1333173838 187591 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-117-251.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333173895 838127 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333174004 106995 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-159-62.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1333174108 732186 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-230-218.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333174301 458487 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-117-251.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1333175462 942896 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1333175616 238792 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1333175742 62573 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Arimaa game room stores passwords in plaintext. Because fuck security, that's why. < 1333176054 486578 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1333176056 275240 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1333176485 424837 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, game designed to be easy for humans to learn and hard for computers to be good at < 1333177821 841803 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can they implement Haskell Dynamic like that? data Dynamic where { Dynamic :: forall x. Typeable x => x -> Dynamic; }; castDyn :: Typeable x => Dynamic -> Maybe x; castDyn (Dynamic x) = cast x; < 1333178604 121862 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-131-82.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333178712 434848 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-230-218.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1333178918 21982 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1333179943 702664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1333180335 762453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's totally taken out of context. <-- but very oklo. < 1333180336 41427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1333180343 514391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1333180343 778437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 10h 37m 48s ago: Hey, we're winning -- but W|A thinks you will eventually crush us: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28population+of+finland%29%2F%28population+of+norway%29 < 1333180449 614810 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't they say many quotations here are put out of context? (Including when I am quoted too; not only you) < 1333180485 52784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie Well we like passed 5 millions just this month, while much of Europe is (about to start|) _shrinking_... no idea if finland is. < 1333180485 298645 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1333180512 805038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probably; your style is also very characteristic and therefore does not always need context. < 1333180586 28520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose those quotes would still be confusing to someone who isn't a channel regular. < 1333180613 537419 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes probably < 1333182190 27422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, our derivative of population did peak in 1945 (with 3.5 children/woman), then dropped to 1.5 in 1970s, then been stuck at 1.8 for the last three decades or so. There's a nice "population pyramid -> population weirdo-tower-thing" comparison graph midway down http://www.stat.fi/tup/suomi90/joulukuu_en.html < 1333182254 509744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: norway is also slightly lower than replacement level, so we grow due to immigration. < 1333182402 561465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Statistics Finland folks do say we're still somewhat growing too, according to http://www.stat.fi/til/vaenn/2009/vaenn_2009_2009-09-30_tie_001_en.html < 1333182491 646931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"According to the projection, the annual number of deaths will exceed births in 2034, but net immigration is forecast to sustain population growth even after this." < 1333182590 233240 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not a pipe http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_0F/screen0.png < 1333182609 342200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not a pipe: | < 1333182794 300356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ssb.no/en/folkfram/ says we may pass 6 million in 2028, which is a while before you < 1333182926 110481 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Jyte? http://jyte.com/profile/zzo38computer.cjb.net < 1333182966 528933 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, that is a vertical bar. < 1333182979 457652 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait < 1333182986 906764 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a *broken* pipe, i missed a gap < 1333183019 222215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's VERTICAL LINE. < 1333183019 752098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees no gap < 1333183020 793524 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks healthy to me < 1333183032 340681 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe your'e fonts broken < 1333183035 987124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it's gappy, sometimes it's not. It's certainly not BROKEN BAR. < 1333183087 996907 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1333183119 543712 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both | and ¦ looks same for me... :( < 1333183121 616370 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look* < 1333183182 517366 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :having more people is not winning. < 1333183191 613217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain | is nasty that way, though I think the non-gappy versions are more popular. < 1333183192 878985 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the opposite of winning < 1333183198 113717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :┆ is like doubly broken. < 1333183199 975079 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unwinning. < 1333183214 719907 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ununlosing < 1333183437 603665 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you more easily name 150 pokemons or 150 United States presidents? < 1333183547 335060 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can name maybe like 2 us presidents < 1333183570 244741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't think anyone could name 150 US presidents. < 1333183577 578943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've had like fourty-something. < 1333183596 187626 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1333183610 839547 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :44 < 1333183635 116441 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had this feeling that they'd had ridiculously many < 1333183652 464485 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they'd like been passing president coupons at some point < 1333183680 391833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've just got twelve, so we're even worse off. Unless having a lot of presidents is also not winning. < 1333183758 299654 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even live in United States so I cannot name many US presidents either. < 1333183779 914442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :has _any_ country had 150 presidents. < 1333183804 282499 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard of more than a half of us presidents :/ < 1333183829 743707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, if I W|A "president", it returns Finland's new one. I wonder if it geolocatimates or something. < 1333183873 600431 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It appears to; when I enter things such as sunset and so on, it also uses my location. < 1333183878 359573 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333183916 833986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll know that variable has started learning haskell when he changes nick to TVar < 1333183922 694146 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you really seem to like the sky, what's that about? < 1333183935 52040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to; if I try it from the United States, it returns that Osama dude. < 1333183980 137015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there is a conspiracy theory that osama and obama are the same person < 1333184008 210834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: it's all my fault for making the agora horoscope < 1333184016 689755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also Saddam. (Cf. Barack Hussein Obama II.) < 1333184024 783584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1333184051 34876 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Have *you* ever looked at the sky, or do you stay inside all the time, in room with no windows? I occasionally go walk outside (and will see the moon, and Venus, and Mercury, and sun, and sometimes the stars); I do not stay inside all the time < 1333184133 432209 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like seeing the sun < 1333184135 925169 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hurts my eyes < 1333184185 173353 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a window but i always have my black curtains up. < 1333184187 781032 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I do not look directly at the sun. It hurts my eyes too. And in the day time it is sometimes too bright sun, too. < 1333184218 34851 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand i love walking outside < 1333184263 922343 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My window also has curtains, to prevent glare, but they aren't black < 1333184336 5503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why is there snow on the ground. < 1333184353 891056 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's snowing here too :o < 1333184885 674737 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1333185095 654866 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what was Little Miss Muffet's given name? And her father's given name? (Without looking it up) < 1333185132 787367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1333185169 789496 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Her name is Patience and her father's name is Thomas. < 1333185183 601162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1333185285 423437 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-131-82.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1333185300 652946 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-131-82.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333185479 985010 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like SVG or METAFONT or something else? < 1333185499 318449 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your favorite group? < 1333185518 254311 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I like ice cream, when it's not too sweet. < 1333185540 873846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently A_4 < 1333185556 942747 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it like? < 1333185561 95620 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never really got to knwo ti < 1333185563 610961 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*know < 1333185612 503050 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc A_4 is the smallest counterexample to some stuff? < 1333185627 641220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the largest alternative group which is solvable. < 1333185629 191414 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, I mean for vector drawing < 1333185648 424478 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can draw vectors with ice cream < 1333185655 396766 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they rarely come out straight < 1333185661 586631 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What about a pencil? < 1333185675 401462 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it's just a big incomprehensible gay ice cream orgy just like in my dreams < 1333185684 841703 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i don't paint < 1333185687 671523 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I suppose you can use a pencil, and I use a pencil too; but I meant by computer < 1333185701 236192 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The computer can't use a pencil? < 1333185721 260782 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, i guess that's what i was thinking about actually < 1333185744 888263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you might be thinking of A_5 which is the smallest non-abelian simple group < 1333185802 738585 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean like a computer plotter? Once I had something with wheels that can control by computer using BASIC stamp, and I attached a pencil to it, to see if it would draw, but it didn't work < 1333185818 132224 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oooh maybe < 1333185903 290897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: which is related to why A_4 was the last group which was interesting - there's a theorem which says you can use any simple group to compute boolean circuits in polynomial time, but it's not known whether you can use a solvable group like A_4 < 1333185906 737307 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tell me about A_4, what do you do together? or are with her just because she's famous? < 1333185912 346722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*which i found interesting < 1333185950 498980 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :compute how? < 1333185956 334789 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you have a link < 1333185963 909320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called barrington's theorem < 1333186109 195205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2009/03/02/barrington-gets-simple/ < 1333186448 490320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you try to use that method with a solvable group like A_4, you get into trouble with circuits that are deeper than the length of the group's derived group series. < 1333186501 3879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you _can_ compute with A_4, but you have to turn your circuit into something like conjunctive or disjunctive normal form first, which gives exponential blowup < 1333186577 507360 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so err in particular you can use the two element group for this thing? < 1333186598 137289 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still slowly reading that thing < 1333186611 526184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the two element group is abelian. you cannot use an abelian group at all. < 1333186662 919161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the known prood, the group needs to be non-solvable < 1333186693 543384 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but any simple non-abelian? < 1333186720 359864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact doing it with _any_ solvable group would prove the unknown (and not believed) equality of the ACC^0 and NC^1 complexity classes. < 1333186744 640033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that article might mention that stuff, if not one of his other blog posts about it does. < 1333186755 932069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, any simple group works. < 1333186788 190227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any non-solvable, which simple implies (in fact non-solvable == you can find a simple quotient of a subgroup) < 1333186803 463982 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so i'm not sure i understand the model, is the idea that for every n, you choose some polynomially long chain of boxes, each of which gets one bit of input, and bounded information must flow from one box to the next? < 1333186806 440042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*proof < 1333186817 904312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1333186824 455104 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay cool < 1333186920 131553 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi, again you said "any simple group works", isn't the two-element group simple? < 1333186963 769817 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you just so completely restricting to non-abelians that that doesn't even need to be mentioned, since it's based on commutators < 1333186985 951527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: eh i guess i am :P < 1333186997 168761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple non-abelian, right < 1333187034 55785 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, i'll continue reading, although i might not get this without the gory details since i don't know anything about groups < 1333187038 326995 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that they exist < 1333187043 517760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah :P < 1333187143 373660 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so [G, G] means the set of all commutators, and in the non-abelian case it's nontrivial obviously and it's always normal for some simple reason, in the simple non-abelian case it's exactly G < 1333187156 607309 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what's [G, H], is it something? < 1333187160 691038 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1333187167 818535 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, that's a stupid question < 1333187187 551717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1333187187 954261 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[x, y] means the corresponding commutator, and [G, G] is just a lift thingie. < 1333187225 231894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: actually that's not stupid at all, it's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_series < 1333187269 526352 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my question was what [G, H] even _means_, not what kind of group it is. < 1333187279 382299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1333187281 274550 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or set) < 1333187300 997774 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was stupid, i didn't quite recall that [x, y] is the commutator notation < 1333187304 277698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[G,H] is the subgroup generated by the commutators ghg^-1h^1 < 1333187313 164831 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i read one letter at a time and then i come here to talk about it. < 1333187321 321887 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1333187400 894866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw a group which has a central series is called nilpotent, and iirc lipton mentions that it's known such a group _cannot_ be used for these computations. < 1333187540 743870 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the or gate thing seems to give an exponential blowup, is the solution that we have logaritmic depth? < 1333187542 154260 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why < 1333187551 33324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1333187584 948568 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that you still have to put all of the gates in < 1333187590 64745 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1333187605 965219 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but blowup only happens depth many times i guess < 1333187609 683059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1333187624 774542 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know how and is done? oh wait. that's trivial. < 1333187630 511300 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey this is fucking awesome :D < 1333187645 326309 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm < 1333187677 558193 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah [G, G] = G so you can choose the value of an or gate to be anything in the false case < 1333187706 299564 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS SO COOL :dSADFADSAFDSAFDDFSDAFDAF < 1333187709 77182 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKLSDJFLKAÖSJFLKAJSDÖLFKJAOEIWJFIJDC,XMV,.CMFDKLSFJSKLAMJ < 1333187727 346001 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FGSFDS. < 1333187755 203807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP WITH THE FINNISH CODE < 1333187799 896756 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :LKAÖSJFLKAJSDÖLFKJAOEKLSFJSKAKLSDJFLKAÖSJFLKAJSDÖLFKJAOEIWJFIJ < 1333187808 490151 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess we've established that asdfjaklsdjfklasjdfl means extreme frustration and ADJFAÖWEIMVKDMFKLAMSDF means omg this is awesome. < 1333187810 412250 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA HA. < 1333187818 738803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ < 1333187962 188601 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db40d52.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333188355 158543 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but so does [G, H] have some nice meaning? < 1333188406 644415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know much about that beyond the central series i linked to < 1333188410 182472 :cheater_!~cheater@g230224077.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1333188411 265795 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[G, G] somehow captures the noncommutation in G, is there something similar you can say about [G, H] < 1333188412 842989 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1333188468 581139 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where somehow = (abelianizing by factoring = dividing [G, G] out) < 1333188484 265499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1333188488 806393 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :group theory is awesome < 1333188492 334803 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so awesome < 1333188499 458504 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS EVERYTHING SO AWESOME TODAY < 1333188531 970567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alien nanobot invasion. < 1333188556 320040 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds likely < 1333188592 236094 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's still something to research in group theory < 1333188620 556279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't think the extension problem is really solved... < 1333188622 350412 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of silly i guess i find it trivial to find new questions about cellular automata and everyone says there's really nothing left there. < 1333188669 741900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly i know almost nothing about how much _has_ been done with it. < 1333188729 233204 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well none of the basic questions like this have been solved in symbolic dynamics either < 1333188731 681531 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1333188752 307853 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well except everything except conjugacy has been solved for SFT's i guess < 1333188758 285901 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1333188791 532992 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think factoring between sofic shifts of equal entropy hasn't been solved for instance < 1333188854 214483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the simple groups classification _has_ been solved - with what may have been the largest math cooperation ever < 1333188865 701954 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for simple objects, i guess this sort of categorical questions are usually either trivial or extremely hard < 1333188880 688139 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1333188904 433769 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proof of the theorem consists of tens of thousands of pages in several hundred journal articles written by about 100 authors, published mostly between 1955 and 2004. < 1333188906 446669 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1333188957 321674 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The completed proof of the classification was announced by Aschbacher (2004) after Aschbacher and Smith published a 1221 page proof for the missing quasithin case. < 1333188962 554718 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1333188981 905406 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so awesome i'm almost crying < 1333189137 29039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 2006 on the Talk page: "Actually the proof of the uniqueness of the 26 sporadic groups is still a debated issue. For instance the uniqueness proof of the Thompson group is flawed, although a new proof of the uniqueness will be published in the coming months." < 1333189141 626996 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i just wish i knew what groups of lie type were < 1333189149 867650 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1333189162 828740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's going to take a while because they're sure they've _really_ closed all gaps :P < 1333189167 287153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*before < 1333189182 962622 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333189199 382551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's so huge that getting it through a theorem verifier seems impossible < 1333189215 756331 :cheater_!~cheater@e181156009.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1333189216 110316 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have been a part of something like that would be just fucking incredible < 1333189226 900617 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have been < 1333189249 503315 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably something like that is going on in an early stage one could still jump into < 1333189268 952694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh Timwi is on the talk page < 1333189281 264258 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's that < 1333189290 729092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolanger < 1333189305 296582 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool :p < 1333190210 653995 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr kfc tasted good today. 2 everyone loves raymond episodes followed by 2 simpsons episodes followed by 2 futurama episodes = WHY IS EVERYTHING SO AWESOME TODAY yup < 1333190225 58845 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1333190226 259533 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shuffles away < 1333190231 192797 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bywe < 1333190235 317175 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1333190248 373659 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 friends episode followed by another friends episode followed by goto 1 < 1333190573 114973 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333190588 962336 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1333190875 329143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1333191119 220861 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db40d52.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1333191469 530940 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would be a major result, since it would imply the famous (to group theorists at least) Odd Order Theorem of Walter Feit and John Thompson. They showed that any odd order group cannot be simple. < 1333191475 27953 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1333191504 117101 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do bounded computation with groups theorists define groups as non-abelian groups? < 1333192320 731413 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1333194179 85559 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333194187 980009 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1333194543 145053 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ponders whether there a correlation between the value of a mathematical notation and the presence of it on a keyboard < 1333194568 465898 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is more indicative of "common" operations < 1333194608 772414 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no i'll stop.. < 1333194617 494931 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let the math..... proceed < 1333194857 928737 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-136-158.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333194987 756717 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-131-82.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1333195421 818241 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-136-158.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1333195572 805562 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-234.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333195759 227492 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :crackpots are crazy < 1333195766 403484 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1333195781 175552 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should be called crachSTUPIDs < 1333196083 181964 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://donblazys.com/01.pdf o_O < 1333196090 952753 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you not get the death penalty for this < 1333196459 424048 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, found a backgrounded mplayer process in one of my shells... based on the contents it must've been there for months < 1333196847 765211 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-234.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1333197008 56590 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, found a bug! my cond implementation was expecting exactly one expression for each condition < 1333197083 856104 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when that match failed, it continued on to treat conds as applying a function 'cond' to some subexpressions, explaining why something was trying to use t as a function < 1333197226 381869 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78d2.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333197449 442255 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might've helped if I knew more about this "lisp" thing before trying to write a compiler :> < 1333197761 814249 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1333198153 565866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1333198364 342732 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b78d2.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1333198918 35754 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-236-160.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333199144 825125 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1333199441 148628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :66.249.66.201 - - [31/Mar/2012:06:55:54 +0000] "GET /wiki/Human_And_Animal_Relationships HTTP/1.1" 302 161 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" < 1333199442 912480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googlebot... < 1333199484 589836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :81.170.237.250 - - [31/Mar/2012:06:56:38 +0000] "GET /wiki/Brainfuck HTTP/1.1" 200 14619 "http://bytesizebio.net/index.php/2011/11/06/brainfk-while-waiting-for-a-flight/" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/5.0; NP06)" < 1333199484 785427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wHAT < 1333199502 350081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Having arrived almost 3 hours early to JFK, flying back to Cincinnati, I spent the time coding up a Python script which inputs a string and outputs a Brainfuck source code which, when run with a Brainfuck interpreter, outputs said string." < 1333199510 995420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's much less horrifying than i was expecting < 1333200508 421061 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DA64.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333201414 940413 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1333201457 475853 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, the SICP page has links to download MIT Scheme for "Windows NT 4.0, Windows 95, and Linux (RedHat)" < 1333201521 748668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1333201527 777786 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it .rpm package? < 1333201626 469278 :ion!ion@GYKMMMDCLI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Awesome < 1333201705 102075 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the page that links to is actually just http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/ < 1333201777 979523 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1333201884 332572 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333201899 659563 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloi! < 1333201906 211816 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/i!/!/ < 1333201916 270161 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1333201967 777612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1333202216 114697 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-167-133.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1333202225 985184 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1333202245 681770 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1333202520 432100 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333202533 389583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb < 1333202534 281860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1333202537 296459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must only be one of you at a time < 1333202539 630888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two < 1333202540 334426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is too much < 1333202588 643239 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: invite hovercraft over will you < 1333202604 929269 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1333202679 410960 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1333202905 80030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1333202906 674667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb and ngevd < 1333202910 34441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :killed by duplicator accident < 1333203331 980033 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333204955 745315 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333204992 831169 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : HAI < 1333205000 524978 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1333205010 151437 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : HAI CODE < 1333205014 506796 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1333205018 486245 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : CAN HAZ STDIO? < 1333205021 969307 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bo < 1333205022 764762 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1333205028 276308 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : AWSUM THX < 1333205036 112065 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : CAN HAZ STDLIB? < 1333205043 801934 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : AWSUM THX < 1333205046 808937 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-236-160.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1333205054 501898 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : CAN HAZ WINDBLOZE? < 1333205060 914125 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : O NOES < 1333205072 687020 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : KTHXBAI < 1333205077 31655 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing? < 1333205077 632003 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : BAI CODE < 1333205107 861093 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : HAI < 1333205112 798308 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : HAI HAI < 1333205120 989886 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : CAN HAZ STDIO? < 1333205141 98114 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : VISIBLE "HAI WORLD!" < 1333205149 144119 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : HAI WORLD! < 1333205163 258656 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : KTHXBYE < 1333205174 847758 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : BYE HAI < 1333205195 944722 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that < 1333205252 117047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please stop flooding the channel < 1333205362 167563 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good debugger for LOLCODE would be like the pretend conversation above, where the interpreter speaks the lol-debug information in the conversation and there is also three other lolcats named "STDIN", "STDOUT", and "STDERR". < 1333205411 903467 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be damn neat < 1333205419 356299 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear shit that would be neat < 1333205532 324658 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-236-160.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333205594 327745 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about an IRC channel where your nickname can either be "LOL*" to be treated as a lolcat typing LOLCODE for the server's interpreter or "IN*" to be treated as a standard input stream? < 1333205615 457524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: why did you circumvent your block? < 1333205626 92899 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow way to change the topic elliott!!! < 1333205648 9414 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah why < 1333205658 218 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1333205700 569892 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it could be something like #IRP < 1333205707 595126 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PART :#esoteric < 1333205718 48662 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :diabolical < 1333205862 415847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile in #irp: < 1333205864 7459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : irp -c "Type the lyrics of '99 bottles of beer on the wall < 1333205864 169165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ''" < 1333205880 995541 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just you and him < 1333205885 490176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : irp: 99 bottles of beer on the wall. < 1333205885 651372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : irp: 99 bottles of beer on the wall. < 1333205885 813099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : irp: Take one down and pass it around < 1333205888 491453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : irp: 98 bottles of beer on the wall. < 1333205891 665762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no #irp is always full of people < 1333205920 620841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] irp -c "Kill the irp program" < 1333205924 330679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : irp: No, the system failed. < 1333205925 740266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting < 1333205948 169230 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is nsqx actually a collective < 1333206035 283439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : irp -c "Kick me from #IRP" < 1333206035 460794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* NSQX has quit () < 1333206079 830122 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye nsqx < 1333206203 702748 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, my test suite now also passes when run with a compiled version of the metacircular evaluator from SICP < 1333206233 785972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad olsner is having fun < 1333206270 393144 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a few more primitives I should be able to run the metacircular evaluator in itself too < 1333206279 250114 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsqx also seemed to be having fun, coincidence?????? < 1333206294 150602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, so olsner is nsqx after all < 1333206327 812615 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am? :S < 1333206335 755874 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to be nsqx! < 1333206406 443869 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, all I need now is a C++ compiler written in Scheme to make a neat little loop < 1333206474 691589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be too difficult < 1333206515 609432 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I don't need everything in C++ either < 1333206545 792948 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can start with that implementation of C in Lisp. < 1333206604 209595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'm sure porting a compiler for an unconventional 80s architecture to another, very-dissimilar language and another, very-dissimilar architecture will be trivial. < 1333206612 103295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also incrementing the C. < 1333206616 726772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will be the easiest part. < 1333206619 13725 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1333206625 654780 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a two-hour kinda project. < 1333206638 107358 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. take C, 2. add templates, 3. lisp compiler < 1333206732 340700 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, the compiled REPL binary is 22MB) < 1333206779 106238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i see your compiler < 1333206784 345798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still in c++ templates < 1333206854 990372 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of, why isn't the IOCCC code out yet X-D < 1333206914 588197 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, it's a template class that takes some combination of cons and symbol etc, then has a member function run(env) that runs that lisp expression < 1333206989 410878 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a python script that reads s-expressions and outputs them as types < 1333207150 659531 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite stupid though, so almost everything ends up boxing primitive functions then unboxing them to call them < 1333207153 713802 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and variable lookup is done at runtime with an associative list rather than doing frame layout at compile time < 1333207186 497507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh, you probably can do a lot better than that < 1333207192 891843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: with enough constexpr you can process strings with templates < 1333207198 937840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you should be able to port the parser to C++ templates, fairly easily < 1333207209 626257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++11 only ofc though < 1333207229 699543 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already c++11 anyway < 1333209444 979308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im already c++11 < 1333209979 467361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1333210224 310328 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i posit it that being a polymath is a prerequisite for discovering/inventing calculus < 1333210244 199533 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't be more off topic though < 1333210266 675105 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1333210309 340293 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<< says the person who doesn't know calculus, and hasn't read a single nachlass < 1333210707 298025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://maps.google.com/?t=8&utm_campaign=8bit&utm_source=yt ok this is legitimately awesome < 1333210709 236020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even does street view < 1333210720 667975 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1333210728 637185 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shivers < 1333210749 460945 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe i was already cold < 1333211042 100446 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.90.52 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1333211108 481904 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day wars will be fought with an rpg interface < 1333211162 47431 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mumbles boringly < 1333211190 971408 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know this < 1333211193 891880 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you from the future < 1333211203 496636 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :teach me your future ways < 1333211261 127174 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1333211776 64019 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1333211900 583146 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43922.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333211958 763276 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1333211964 606478 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i simply lied < 1333211975 399130 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its nearly same effect as time travel < 1333212067 111492 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333212316 177162 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1333212836 418120 :Tiktalik!znc@unaffiliated/tiktalik NICK :Gonetalik < 1333213966 485253 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1333214007 192807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sad But True: We Can't Prove When Super Mario Bros. Came Out" < 1333214054 800822 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1333214067 858677 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1333214278 284765 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lolwut < 1333214337 344760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/167392/sad_but_true_we_cant_prove_when_.php < 1333214806 675703 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333215471 898878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1333215472 425348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed on page Db-g7 that there was a deletion tag. I would like to vote against this tag, as I believe it sort of violates Assume good faith. I also believe the template is very useful. These matters seem important to discuss. < 1333215472 735938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walex03. Talking, working, friending. 20:06, 22 March 2012 (UTC) < 1333215473 305439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1333215484 141991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(db-g7 is a template containing a deletion tag to be put on other articles.) < 1333217406 563785 :Gonetalik!znc@unaffiliated/tiktalik NICK :Tiktalik < 1333217644 379877 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1333218965 736025 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43922.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1333218988 699673 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f81c.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333221085 274600 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333221090 641827 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1333221097 61009 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, dammit elliott! < 1333221528 873851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1333221542 809808 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia. < 1333221559 471531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1333221566 893051 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You linked to it. < 1333221572 363720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1333221573 426061 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus causing me to click the link. < 1333221573 951531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1333221575 894075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on esolang < 1333221576 421153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1333221579 94196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1333221581 721764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :be more careful! < 1333221600 623181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i take it you've seen NSQX's diabolical block evasion, then < 1333221613 330111 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it bad that when you're being tricky I don't fall for it, but TWICE I've fell for unobfuscated links?) < 1333221614 597055 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1333221625 18786 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly he is a master of trickery < 1333221633 844090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems he is determined to flat-out ignore me when i ask him why he did it on IRC, so i predict an unhappy ending to this saga < 1333221637 196222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: And yes, that's bad. < 1333221642 860349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You lose Lent. < 1333221646 435505 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reminds me of that time that sock puppeteer ended up on the IWC forums < 1333221797 475401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on < 1333221816 101547 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't thought of an interesting story < 1333221840 538306 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was just some blatant sock-puppetry to do with some unlicensed translations of Darths and Droids on a commercial website < 1333221865 180006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :diabolical < 1333221877 750778 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway < 1333221890 879133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he just doesn't like me < 1333221899 175891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assign the job of asking him why he circumvented his block next time he comes in to... Taneb < 1333221907 690606 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1333221957 395222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not meant to say yay! < 1333221976 919859 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can say "Yay!" whenever I like. < 1333222009 623763 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can say "yay" whenever anyone likes < 1333222026 825147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't say "yay" < 1333222042 886295 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott has a speech impediment. < 1333222059 918886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an explody house this is < 1333222088 787615 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1333222093 256523 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1333222129 901704 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1333222181 503541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333222210 759415 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, my house exploded < 1333222242 962980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens < 1333222259 835226 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1333222347 239290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1333222812 154633 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1333222812 355980 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1333223157 272913 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1333224438 792240 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333224464 736066 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1333224823 415549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy australian mailman mailing list memberships reminder day < 1333225070 614808 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1333225690 657200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone explain drive-ins to me < 1333225754 841637 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you drive in and then you shoot everyone. < 1333225780 705301 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait sorry i always confuse those two < 1333225795 607319 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why they don't let me into the local ganster dude league anymore. < 1333225801 867222 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i just keep buying them burgers < 1333225835 110457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the kind where they show films < 1333225874 96042 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :those exist? < 1333225946 583857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1333225950 467218 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1333225954 683350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive-in_theater < 1333225958 37248 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone explain drive-ins to me < 1333225965 101136 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1333225965 444909 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333225968 278918 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was fast < 1333225997 293714 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen those on the simpsons and stuff but i assumed they just existed in like america and other made-up countries < 1333226168 819210 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f81c.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1333226342 363927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they don't exist here < 1333226344 240414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i know of < 1333226389 315686 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :finland doesn't have them, i just checked < 1333226436 642822 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i checked a statistically significant portion of my house at least < 1333227098 703704 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333227300 585518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333227399 709701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is #25 in "unblocked #25 (remove autoblock block evasion to fix config. issue)"? < 1333227412 222375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The number of the autoblock. < 1333227420 705248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Autoblock IPs are hidden (even from admins/crats) for privacy reasons. < 1333227435 174275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(An autoblock just means that whenever a blocked user accesses the wiki from an IP, that IP gets blocked too.) < 1333227461 90728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The autoblock still had the previous incorrect settings (banning talk page editing) due to the configuration issue, even though I fixed the main block, so I just removed it. < 1333228032 561038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333228054 375098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Var%27aq&diff=31646&oldid=8256 < 1333228098 484426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bleh, this is a bad time for me to sort it out < 1333228098 731750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1333228102 400647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll look at it april 2 < 1333228103 217545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1333228103 477643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1d 5h 20m 22s ago: Please check your MemoServ messages with /msg MemoServ read new, thanks! < 1333228112 853957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I check MemoServ messages /before/ lambdabot messages < 1333228121 695097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1333228130 152944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I don't really need you to do anything < 1333228150 546407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just know what's happened and let me know if you think the response needs changing < 1333228150 748091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should probably go in /msg, though < 1333228158 750187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, or nowhere < 1333228167 438916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In here is March 31 < 1333228169 798433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll msg you when I'm ready to look at it, probably tomorrow or the day after < 1333228172 763653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now, AceHack < 1333228179 909789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1333228259 612539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay an article with tables waiting to be wikitabled < 1333228268 251853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, 70.66.134.212! < 1333228313 537657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's in html table syntax :( never mind < 1333228421 879153 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1333228430 719614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "hm?"? < 1333228444 348733 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just check RecentChanges < 1333228450 41425 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have an idea what you're talking about < 1333228517 334595 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you're talking about, I don't see any table syntax < 1333228556 577765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[object-disoriented]] < 1333228559 576468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/-/ / < 1333228610 451145 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the thing about waiting to be wikitabled? < 1333228688 529767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[object disoriented]] < 1333228792 859228 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that waiting to be wikitabled or confused for waiting to be wikitabled? What does waiting to be wikitabled mean? I'd assume converted from blah to MediaWiki tables, but your next statements suggest not. < 1333228793 59840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that help < 1333228797 163452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1333228800 516706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: class="wikitable" < 1333228803 691159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makse them the not uglies < 1333228804 879843 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DA64.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333228807 164212 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1333228809 553465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then they looked weird without ths < 1333228815 396912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didnt want to add ths because theyre in html syntax < 1333228818 612740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just cried instead < 1333228850 526746 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1333228851 691146 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ths? < 1333228919 524279 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333228950 789815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1333228954 242475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :table headings < 1333229125 426800 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1333229296 327818 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1333230311 769155 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333230531 581624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1333230563 80099 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1333230584 702496 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that OpenGL sucks < 1333230827 387924 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1333230862 590315 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then use Direct3D < 1333230963 813179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: in what way? < 1333231400 109809 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1333231974 312292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, and it's far from finished or polished yet, but it works: https://gitorious.org/nitrohack/ais523/blobs/raw/7b5711e6232fbb0949452555a3db6b33bd585824/aimake < 1333231978 435927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aimake is no longer vaporware! < 1333231990 580353 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The API is really poorly designed. < 1333231991 481326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it counts as eso or not < 1333231995 978185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: which? < 1333232028 173143 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OpenGL. < 1333232037 214660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: which OpenGL API? < 1333232037 808906 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1333232047 614875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old outdated functions you aren't meant to use any more, or the VBO-and-shader stuff? < 1333232091 579986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, another unreadable multi-thousand-line ais source fil < 1333232091 897735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1333232093 664742 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever the fuck I'm using. < 1333232103 569186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also one that inexplicably breaks vim's syntax highlighting < 1333232106 379805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a single file for a reason < 1333232113 484053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you say that every time < 1333232124 479044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've been editing it in Kate, which is the only program I've found that's capable of actually handling the syntax highlighting < 1333232130 845890 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one where it's 30 lines of code to just draw a single surface with a texture on it. < 1333232131 527883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then, I had to go back to 5.78 syntax < 1333232135 27555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't even trying to be awkward! < 1333232158 426576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if you're drawing one surface at a time, you're doing it wrong (because GPUs can't do that efficiently) < 1333232168 47290 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm only drawing one surface. < 1333232187 301137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then possibly OpenGL is the wrong thing to be using < 1333232213 252634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your advice is helpful like my advice is < 1333232216 605035 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the only well-supported way of drawing 2D graphics with vsync on X. < 1333232221 371892 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally the only one. < 1333232237 366340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch, wow < 1333232245 197620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What about that Xv thing? < 1333232250 976912 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Well-supported". < 1333232266 870185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is xv not supported? < 1333232274 501963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wfm, must wfeveryone < 1333232276 292594 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Xv varies from perfectly reasonable *if* you're in YUV, or completely borken, depending on your driver. < 1333232296 486822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"About 600 deaths have occurred in the Grand Canyon since the 1870s." whoa, that's all? < 1333232330 810000 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proprietary Radeon drivers, for instance, don't do vsync, and convert from YUV to RGB wrong. < 1333232362 937827 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Xv only really works on YUV colorspace framebuffers; it's theoretically capable of handling RGB, but most drivers don't support this) < 1333232369 243270 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/782mt/numbers_that_cannot_be_computed_by_a_program/c05xjqb < 1333232372 216502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what 2d thing are you drawing anyway < 1333232382 157016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: will i regret clicking that link? < 1333232385 206129 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just drawing a 320x240 framebuffer out of a VM. < 1333232394 331309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'll check it for you < 1333232403 720541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1333232407 322793 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it will tear unless I use OpenGL. < 1333232413 494849 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because X sucks. < 1333232414 553877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thanks, I'll click it then < 1333232426 684104 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you regret arguments that involve someone incredibly thick? < 1333232429 160655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, I can blame Sgeo < 1333232467 309664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well, you see, when i want stupidity i go to, e.g. reddit and click the comment links < 1333232469 267663 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[–]andreasvc 0 points 3 years ago < 1333232469 428792 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The integers are not all computable. What you say amounts to offering a haystack when someone asks for a needle. A number is computable if there can be a finite program which can calculate the nth digit of that number, given n. This doesn't go for the busy beaver numbers, since the halting problem is undecidable. < 1333232478 912676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric links i generally click in the hopes that they're not stupid < 1333232485 539545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would be totally disappointed if i found intelligent discussion on reddit < 1333232488 791100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vice versa < 1333232492 618300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1333232496 972739 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are these people allowed on my internet < 1333232505 478988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so opinion on aimake? < 1333232509 999364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the coding style? < 1333232511 154284 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: But... That... Gah < 1333232515 758200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kate's autoindentor is a little broken < 1333232520 637381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its block collapser is worse < 1333232527 141769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's no way i'm going to read it, but i might throw it at some C programs to prove how useless it is < 1333232538 90874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: after editing aimake in Kate for a few hours, the cursor starts going backwards < 1333232541 335330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I haven't found a fix for this < 1333232544 608853 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fucking busy beaver numbers < 1333232561 368122 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think SDL might be pretty well supported, but from what I've read, I'm not sure if it's that great, since it doesn't have functions for pushing individual pixels. < 1333232561 648942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. typing a letter puts the cursor before the letter, backspace still deletes leftwards, left and right don't really do anything sensible) < 1333232570 633731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is trivial to write a program that computes 6 to the nth digit." "No, there's not even an algorithm for it. If you come up with one you would have solved the halting problem." < 1333232570 808182 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: It tears. < 1333232574 249238 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Because X sucks. < 1333232575 839075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :6: the impossible number < 1333232584 504161 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also a lot of things I look up relating to it presume you want to use it with SDL. < 1333232585 734002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: it has pointers for pushing individual pixels < 1333232598 103908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't see how you can figure out the nth digit of 6 without knowing what n is < 1333232601 111905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have multiple attempts < 1333232602 7495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pushing individual picturse is terrible, though < 1333232631 33523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pixels < 1333232634 567127 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333232635 14300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :picturse, pixels, what's the difference < 1333232654 241107 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fucking hate this andreasvc guy < 1333232695 592368 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true, I guess it's more that the tutorial I was reading is about 2D stuff, and then alter I remembered I wanted ot make a 3D thing. < 1333232711 906871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL is useful as a windowing/input library though < 1333232715 847702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use it with opengl < 1333232717 971256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both suck, naturally < 1333232719 238725 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I do. < 1333232726 128418 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They suck, but it functions. < 1333232733 329014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you didn't answer my q tho :'( < 1333232737 241005 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which? < 1333232737 887902 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like SDL < 1333232750 73304 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Never done audio in it I see. :) < 1333232757 792970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done audio in SDL. < 1333232769 806353 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you are a masochist. < 1333232779 946504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? < 1333232785 388115 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1333232789 674072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1333232806 791990 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's harder and less capable than OSS. Therefore it sucks. < 1333232808 948530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh i didn't ask it i guess < 1333232812 300607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was asking what 2d thing you are drawing < 1333232827 965220 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:19 < pikhq> I'm just drawing a 320x240 framebuffer out of a VM. < 1333232832 430349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i did ask it! < 1333232835 81104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you answered it < 1333232836 491542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so wrong today < 1333232839 489718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why the fuck are you reading 3-year-old discussions on reddit < 1333232845 690075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only just now noticed those timestamps < 1333232862 559912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what vm? < 1333232878 202719 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/pikhq/cmako < 1333232880 143798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1333232881 265040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Sat Mar 31 23:27:59 < 1333232892 935455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a program using SDL with audio: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/prog/BytePusher/BytePusher.w I happen to like the way audio is done in SDL, even if you dislike it. < 1333232893 773283 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: andreasvc's crime will never expire. < 1333232894 656064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, i can still be annoyed at april fools jokes being premature for another 33 minutes < 1333232897 952129 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An implementation of https://github.com/JohnEarnest/Mako < 1333232925 14406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like: crappo < 1333232928 721148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the opportunity < 1333232971 780938 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the article was linked on Fark, and the article linked to the discussion < 1333232981 960769 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fark.com/comments/7025689/ConsoleWrite0-while-true-ConsoleWrite142857 < 1333232982 387848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, another ill of the world i can blame on fark < 1333233066 190065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you seen Google Maps' april 1st thing? it's very good < 1333233068 53137 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other two implementations of BytePusher are using Allegro, which many people prefer. < 1333233110 384245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1333233120 82676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you want to? < 1333233121 179749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably won't look at it, but will probably read the coverage of it in the news afterwards < 1333233141 990299 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :always living on the edge, eh < 1333233184 460218 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused. Can any real number be described by an infinite number of digits? < 1333233202 417271 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks a bit more < 1333233229 460320 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1333233234 50122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, some of them have infinity plus one < 1333233237 707307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think it can be < 1333233268 964466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes, cardinalities of the reals and of infinite strings of elements drawn from a finite alphabet are both aleph-one < 1333233321 887576 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is my third comment http://www.fark.com/comments/7025689/ConsoleWrite0-while-true-ConsoleWrite142857 correct? < 1333233332 806431 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think I got it. There exist numbers which cannot be fit into any finite representation, no matter how many (finite number) of bits are in the representation." < 1333233347 692139 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1333233365 185614 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was incompetently replying to someone < 1333233369 691910 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to bother clicking < 1333233372 908052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait did Sgeo not know the reals were uncountable before today < 1333233373 787351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1333233385 814254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as oklofok would say, even i know that < 1333233397 497114 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even i know that < 1333233399 6550 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I brainfarted on whether reals could be described with an infinite number of digits < 1333233428 653354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they're exactly uncountable, they're no more than uncountable < 1333233435 823758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, hmm < 1333233443 561967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1333233443 777461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's undecidable < 1333233447 737339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore me < 1333233453 968328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1333233462 644238 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noted who wrote the article in the first place. < 1333233465 490595 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Robozzle guy! < 1333233471 492682 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1333233471 706491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i meant "There exist numbers which cannot be fit into any finite representation, no matter how many (finite number) of bits are in the representation."" < 1333233481 265090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "the reals aren't countable" < 1333233513 408376 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1333233614 915637 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333233909 494424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ find . -name '*.aimk' -or -name 'aimake.config' | xargs wc -l | xargs echo < 1333233910 792780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 ./executables.aimk 55 ./aimake.config 7 ./libnethack/util/makedefs.aimk 20 ./libnethack/dat/datafiles.aimk 85 total < 1333233923 324306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of them are newlines to make it more readable, or comments < 1333233940 457023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ find . -name 'CMakeLists.txt' | xargs wc -l | xargs echo < 1333233941 607477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 ./nethack_server/CMakeLists.txt 106 ./nethack/CMakeLists.txt 70 ./CMakeLists.txt 34 ./libnethack_client/CMakeLists.txt 18 ./libnethack/CMakeLists.txt 111 ./libnethack/util/CMakeLists.txt 45 ./libnethack/src/CMakeLists.txt 118 ./libnethack/dat/CMakeLists.txt 552 total < 1333233943 930823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no contest :) < 1333234005 655125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Those CMakeLists files won't stop working when aimake changes its heuristics. < 1333234060 38054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ I fixed that now :) < 1333234087 418958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(before the success or fail of a build sometimes depended on hashtable ordering) < 1333234099 58528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still does if you have an exact tie, but you can disambig in the config file now) < 1333234186 3767 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1333234401 796361 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333234458 777081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "ugh" adequately summarises my feelings. < 1333234606 406266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/rmw1d/sometimes_it_is_hard/ < 1333234607 282087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :KILL < 1333234609 400472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING KILL < 1333234610 105297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MURDER < 1333234610 458648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE < 1333234611 33525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEATH < 1333234613 166085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAMINE < 1333234613 875142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAR < 1333234615 720607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELL < 1333234633 571287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BURN < 1333234637 448807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1333235489 706198 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1333235543 776324 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im, not going to read that < 1333235655 763156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a meme image < 1333235873 445068 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312200651] < 1333235993 110827 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im, not going to read that < 1333236134 956154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::') < 1333236157 966336 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333236170 916791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover < 1333236192 69975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhh, mk is that guy who just wanted to learn monads, not Haskell. < 1333236194 778975 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only going to be here for like 10 minutes. < 1333236195 31540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 10 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1333236197 674323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains why he's stupid. < 1333236201 905236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ONE MESSAGE PER MINUTE < 1333236332 981227 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333236427 797941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they are useful in other languages sometimes… < 1333236441 876934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You had to be there, man. < 1333236448 89340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also, that doesn't mean you should ask #haskell about it. < 1333236472 834036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't planning to < 1333236487 479900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. < 1333236493 331390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I won't call you stupid in #esoteric. < 1333236501 410716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: About that robots.txt... < 1333236559 824241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wow, I think I can scam that statement, you forgot to put a time limitation on it < 1333236569 434116 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right now if I search for 'elliott esoteric haskell' on Google, the logs aren't in the first page. < 1333236569 717581 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore noöne will see them. < 1333236595 384265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I will search for them with locate < 1333236627 942427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'll just start up my blog, Esoteric Haskell with Elliott Hird. < 1333236629 626050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, /far/ too many results < 1333236641 130670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it interpreted it as an or < 1333236652 741705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so many things on my computer are named esoteric, haskell, or elliott somewhere in their path < 1333236671 347085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ locate "elliott esoteric haskell" < 1333236672 834648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there we go < 1333236674 522762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no results < 1333236677 339414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your secret is safe! < 1333236693 370653 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where shachaf < 1333236693 663237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know little about shachaf. < 1333236700 923215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and so many things on my computer are named esoteric, haskell, or elliott somewhere in their path < 1333236702 687791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly "elliott". < 1333236707 577843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/shrines/elliott < 1333236712 321155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly the other two, it turns out < 1333236717 439454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a /home/ais523/annoy-ehird < 1333236722 341413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what it contains nowadays < 1333236728 104085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't really want to look, as it'd be less funny if I found out < 1333236732 282451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's "ehird", not "elliott" < 1333236739 356602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to know what's in it now. < 1333236745 320814 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: @here < 1333236775 678395 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333236874 200470 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, in, america < 1333236875 972379 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1333236886 481947 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: North America. < 1333237158 889472 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1333237164 969939 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adblock < 1333237172 205826 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now displays pictures of cats < 1333237174 350329 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of ads < 1333237175 266005 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1333237176 913837 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1333237180 827102 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :april 'fules' < 1333237203 669409 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333237205 406323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i would install that though? < 1333237218 467429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it'd be better than adblock. < 1333238367 916747 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333238386 437350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, there's no command to reorder virtual desktops in gnome 2 + compiz, is there? < 1333238391 113097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have them in the wrong order