< 1332720019 546722 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What nonsense! < 1332720068 441815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1332720313 591251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/126819/esoteric-programming-languages-acceptable-or-discouraged finally, someone gives us the recognition we deserve < 1332720380 783594 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are half the well known esolangs bullshit ones < 1332720419 795300 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people have no taste. < 1332720458 236151 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Esoteric languages are part of Stack Overflow as every other language, two of them (Python and Ruby1) are even featured in SO's 404 polyglot:" < 1332720466 361076 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least two of those are just cyphers of generic languages < 1332720472 667419 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 If you are a Pythonista or a Rubyist and feel like chopping my head off, just replace that with C and Perl. < 1332720472 836296 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1332720474 500434 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is basically putting stickers on your car < 1332720483 502484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hey you just have to invent a time machine, nothing big! < 1332720564 917598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should call my next language Brain@%#! < 1332720566 665130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Brainf**k < 1332720619 608322 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it like brainfuck except instead of +-<>[]., you only use swears < 1332720647 879262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's in fact nothing like brainf**k, maybe i should make it a CA or something < 1332720663 774749 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a cypher of lolcode. < 1332720664 469507 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1332720672 131305 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit piss cunt motherfucker tits cocks turd and twat < 1332720679 382268 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :fart, too < 1332720705 31245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cipher of lolcode called "C" < 1332720723 601571 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :We shall call it srscode < 1332720730 105918 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it will just be C < 1332720752 879821 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, C makes for a decent esolang. < 1332720780 501628 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it's basically the only language that I have been taught < 1332720790 194747 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for me it's pretty much what a programming language is < 1332720951 352166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to the snake? < 1332721021 225494 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has gone to read his SICP < 1332721052 121398 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332721166 236115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight < 1332721178 687348 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332721390 737331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b*a*n*u*k and *r*i*f*c* < 1332721430 759711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1332721677 408030 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88CA9.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1332721753 542287 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a brainfuck variant named banukrifc < 1332721782 950242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble brainfuck < 1332721783 111537 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :banukcfir < 1332721794 643537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1332721814 30421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble brainfuck < 1332721814 191990 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bkrcauifn < 1332722024 998006 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88D4B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332722177 289204 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :banuk? < 1332722188 423458 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like baduk which is an alternative name of Go I think < 1332722195 590572 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, UPDATE < 1332723296 325714 :SDr!SDr@unaffiliated/sdr JOIN :#esoteric < 1332723705 238640 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88D4B.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332724470 482365 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db42223.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1332725859 49602 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332726309 383381 :sully!~sully@bloomy.moroso.emarhavil.com PART :#esoteric < 1332727037 334576 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332727273 567823 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332729712 975436 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-85.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332729864 470574 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-229.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1332732456 535459 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-85.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1332732589 75613 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-184.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332732828 595234 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1332732850 573746 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1332732852 604737 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up < 1332732862 834531 :Mannerisk!~mannerisk@c-24-16-16-137.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Mannerisk < 1332732875 626689 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just read cyanide and happiness < 1332732875 788066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: have you seen our new wiki main page? < 1332732881 322218 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1332732896 498727 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :please link it so i don't have to do _anything_ < 1332732904 766607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome oklopol < 1332732908 313345 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1332732940 1246 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :featured language! you did it :D < 1332732949 278223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME FAMOUS < 1332732964 954274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND TSWETT TOO < 1332732987 562923 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i meant that you added the whole featured language thing, you as in u pplz. < 1332732994 771337 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall this being discussed < 1332733004 624591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. although mostly elliott. < 1332733117 52664 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is elly the new elliott < 1332733132 83073 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look like it but who knows < 1332733150 223938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, elly is the new has-suspiciously-similar-initials-to elliott < 1332733158 490598 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1332733183 86388 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooooo. < 1332733188 434011 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have no moneys, will someone lend me some < 1332733202 633466 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ihope127 was a genius. It's a shame he's no longer with us. < 1332733208 986419 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean give me < 1332733220 97651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a great tragedy. < 1332733239 754098 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world mourns this loss. < 1332733266 413627 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he have ass cancer < 1332733273 515474 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I know? < 1332733301 551466 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well could he sit anywhere? < 1332733311 27505 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION up arrow enter
< 1332733320 542771 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-179.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332733326 145188 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should i know < 1332733331 656839 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you brought him up < 1332733338 540325 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... I did? < 1332733343 985131 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember this at all. < 1332733348 758818 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well really i guess it was oerjan < 1332733357 94355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. you were a remarkably bad parent, though. < 1332733378 886500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always absent < 1332733395 802963 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you're probably joking. < 1332733414 478265 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one knows < 1332733425 731487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. any similarity to _real_ children you are abandonic is mere coincidence. < 1332733430 808878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ing < 1332733471 583500 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got this thousand or so euros for my conference trip, and i'm wondering if the paperwork is worth doing or should i just pay it myself < 1332733480 533152 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-184.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1332733503 637948 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to like give them a report and receipts from the trip < 1332733511 230174 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what the fuck, just gimme the moneys < 1332733535 604536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the conference paperwork panic, i remember it well. < 1332733546 191768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ended up not applying. < 1332733551 428138 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1332733567 677756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the money.) < 1332733575 716332 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1332733616 119558 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i at least hope i get funding for the trip to taiwan < 1332733656 623978 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming we get accepted. it's a fair assumption because our paper is _awesome_. < 1332733666 386780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally. < 1332733669 114087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1332733684 220120 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, do you know if springer and friends have bots that check if the articles are downloadable free on authors' websites < 1332733698 36572 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because long story short, ours is and i'm having a hard time getting it down. < 1332733764 884945 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i updated my publications list on this one university website and they had this button for upping the pdf. and i'm like hurr durr what's next okay pdf lemme just upload that for ya. < 1332733769 968494 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why have there been 4 downloads of the CPL interpreter this week? < 1332733797 944147 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i sent an email to them and they're like okay we'll do something about this ^^ < 1332733834 36348 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently elsevier charges 3000 dollars if you wanna upload the article on your website for free < 1332733858 264608 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 3000 is a lot to pay for being a fucking retard :D < 1332733929 821860 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :really it's more that the government should pay me stupid support. < 1332734223 99758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know there is a "boycott elsevier" movement, right? < 1332734622 848310 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well naturally < 1332734663 350033 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm sure 3000 dollars sounds better than whatever springer has to offer in this context < 1332734691 852816 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPL doesn't do Smalltalk comments properly < 1332734740 489911 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are its comments way too substantial to qualify for smalltalk < 1332734744 632275 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as < 1332734764 938239 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" opens a Smalltalk comment " closes it < 1332734793 9105 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FUCK < 1332734805 169305 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should issue a warning about unterminated comment, imo < 1332734810 406504 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ""FUCK should be a syntax error < 1332734837 161928 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know who else should be a syntax error < 1332734864 562752 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-157-120.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332734883 440840 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The proof is trivial! Just view the problem as a convex algebra whose elements are alternating Turing machines" could someone elaborate on this < 1332734930 519517 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how to even make them an affine space < 1332734938 332393 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if the field is R < 1332734958 799357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not whoever first put that in the topic, so no. < 1332734965 933335 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1332734971 205623 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess it just makes no sense < 1332735011 281260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know. it _could_ make sense to take convex combinations of them somehow? < 1332735018 723744 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elly: this smells like your handiwork < 1332735034 361964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats oklopol -----###
< 1332735043 117163 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 1/pi of one automaton and 1-1/pi of the other? < 1332735048 559779 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-179.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1332735048 721198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1332735076 191759 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the alternation part is crucial here < 1332735100 877095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs The proof is trivial! Just view the < 1332735118 930626 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 NICK :MSleep < 1332735133 304703 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1332735139 972417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs The proof is trivial! Just view the < 1332735152 598283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody timeouts < 1332735154 338494 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.8939 < 1332735186 645901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ok, you are irresponsible here < 1332735198 559134 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: could you elaborate? < 1332735243 445071 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://theproofistrivial.com/ < 1332735253 814384 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1332735257 901350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1332735288 943396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it _was_ trivial, then. < 1332735343 131210 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proof is trivial! Just biject it to a < 1332735345 275143 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :combinatorial < 1332735347 174897 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :topological space < 1332735349 107047 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose elements are < 1332735351 215219 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :convex < 1332735353 184866 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :metric spaces < 1332735367 72288 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so close to making sense < 1332735377 550222 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to me :D) < 1332735432 616534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your quest shall be to get one of those as the proof of a proposition in your next paper. < 1332735508 629329 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1332735510 375557 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1332735528 883185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lemma will also do. < 1332735551 572818 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can try at least doing something with that form < 1332735578 500115 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't sound too hard, but i'm only writing one solo paper atm < 1332735582 584820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it has to be something actually from that website. < 1332735587 234278 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1332735588 464647 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1332735667 941612 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The proof is trivial! Just view the problem as an associative semigroup whose elements are clopen groups" so a family of clopen topological groups, and i guess the natural associative operation is cartesian product < 1332735693 525597 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're trying to start an article on universal algebra, perhaps i could use that there < 1332735730 789502 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-121-176.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332735781 916821 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a thing that generates whole nonsensical proofs? < 1332735797 15990 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of something that generates nonsensical papers somewhere < 1332735804 48086 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got submitted to some ... place < 1332735823 535460 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/ < 1332735895 532330 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/rooter.pdf < 1332735896 410748 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1332735912 573384 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-157-120.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1332736021 960547 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1332736424 257737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 3 cm * 4500000000 -> lightseconds < 1332736437 819219 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :67500000/149896229 (approx. 0.4503115285175053) < 1332736696 832082 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1332736886 15865 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue JOIN :#esoteric < 1332736983 278940 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty unbelievable stuff < 1332737013 305724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is < 1332737018 372185 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that scigen stuff < 1332737040 116979 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1332737071 207597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, don't you believe in SCIENCE? < 1332737085 243580 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'd like to see that in math < 1332737117 509533 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't know anything about that stuff < 1332737121 258596 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that cs stuff < 1332737131 725610 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what the fuck is html < 1332737149 66161 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot tasty mama lubricants < 1332737164 544149 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a breed of chicken < 1332737169 910651 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything on the internet is chicken < 1332737261 318972 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1332737276 87772 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think i believe in science a bit too much because i can't really believe anyone who's ever been near science would publish something that's untrue. < 1332737311 463361 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d like to see a Fair and Balanced™ math lecture that tells the other side of the story instead of the one with the liberal bias. < 1332737318 309426 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I don't think so; I think it is still possible for someone to publish something wrong anyways < 1332737324 904644 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe in the zzoence. the zzoentific method is 12% more efficacious than the scientific method < 1332737351 626348 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: what? < 1332737360 630569 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whether by a mistake, by a joke, or for a different reason) < 1332737382 487750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: yeah those positive numbers are far too overused < 1332737389 841268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more negativity! < 1332737396 81228 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :liberal bias? < 1332737404 594479 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this one of those randomly generated sentences? < 1332737413 426402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats oklopol -----###
< 1332737419 624452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's american < 1332737420 621567 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: preferential treatment towards positive numbers is positivitist < 1332737432 62466 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*signist < 1332737445 8913 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: What is that? I still don't know. < 1332737463 830108 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what is what? < 1332737486 326893 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know the scientific method is 95% efficacious, so if it is 12% more efficacious then it would be more than 100%? < 1332737494 242159 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying...negative numbers have been kept down by the man for too long! < 1332737504 430301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I am getting confused by something < 1332737522 396683 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: zzoence changed the rules! no things can be SUPER EFFECTIVE < 1332737525 97846 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1332737553 142742 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear negative numbers were made by man < 1332737579 855315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so are babies. are you ANTIBABIES? < 1332737616 39124 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, babies suck tits. < 1332737629 682601 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1332737632 390987 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're jealous < 1332737637 391221 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, any numbers have use for different purpose. There are no negative numbers, and also no fractions, in the system of natural numbers. < 1332737647 814454 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1332737658 61239 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you published any articles < 1332737659 653375 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in other thing certainly you can make up other one too, if it is good for what you are making! < 1332737677 264407 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Not any formal articles; I don't know how. < 1332737692 651330 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: see there you go again with your naturalnormativity. What gives you the right to decide that some numbers are more natural than others? all numbers have equal numberness under God! < 1332737725 967445 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dunno how it works if you're not associated with a university. hopefully the same way. < 1332737742 316945 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you mean you don't know how to write formal articles < 1332737748 612269 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Even if they are, you need some way to refer to them, and that is why they are called "natural numbers". (It doesn't make them more natural in the normal sense of the word) < 1332737771 417849 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need two meanings of "natural" < 1332737774 218497 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I mean I don't know how to write formal articles. But I am also not associated witih a university. < 1332737803 178019 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: But nearly all words in English language have many meanings, so you will not get away from that < 1332737804 699423 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was this discussion about theory versus mathematical theory on amazon which i'm referring to but i guess you had to be there) < 1332737823 163291 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you do then? < 1332737853 141010 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the language you use to refer to things matters. like when you talk about a random person's wife. what if the random person is female or gay? saying "natural" here just reinforces that naturalnormative bias. < 1332737880 391987 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Do to what specifically? < 1332737886 572769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hey wait, weren't we trying to _avoid_ liberal bias here... < 1332737887 400479 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i mean with your life < 1332737923 638457 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i am trying to avoid fundamentalist bias < 1332737934 293726 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we usually name things with really silly names, they make research fun while it's not going anywhere, and when we actually come up with something cool, you don't notice them anymore. < 1332737959 705441 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance we have this conjecture that all finitarily primular sets are varietic. < 1332737967 145643 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, yes, sometimes a random person's "wife" does not apply to anything; in case the random person is female, homosexual, or unmarried. Just like, your television remote control might not have a letter "X" button it doesn't mean that nothing has. < 1332738004 964790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what about the orchideal sets? < 1332738012 849626 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something i just say we define ablodob as ... and then we just go with it < 1332738018 459303 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but when you refer to the x button on your input device, you are reinforcing the idea that ALL INPUT DEVICES SHOULD HAVE LETTER X's. and that INPUT DEVICES WITH NO X ARE ABNORMAL < 1332738036 199658 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with natural numbers. you're implying that the average real number is unnatural. < 1332738073 406071 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i haven't learned those yet < 1332738077 621442 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only my third year in math < 1332738082 397578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1332738097 65147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i'm afraid that may be a theorem < 1332738138 769163 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: In mathematics, even real numbers are not all the number systems in mathematics... and anyways I mean the mathematical meaning of "naural number" not the real meaning of "natural" < 1332738157 498936 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how can you say that nonnaturals are unnatural? are you part of the conservative conspiracy? < 1332738167 151291 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah damn you oerjan < 1332738195 818704 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's probably a racist too < 1332738207 553421 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let me define these numbers that look like reals but they are racist. < 1332738213 462762 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they hate black people < 1332738245 807975 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the differential operator is racist < 1332738249 804379 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denormal floats are an abomination. < 1332738250 374421 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i call them really racist numbers. < 1332738260 511453 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: :SDA < 1332738261 254315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :d(black people) just marginalizes them < 1332738279 533467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in races. i think all cars should stay below the speed limit. < 1332738300 23141 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a good thing you aren't designing parallel computer programs < 1332738309 563658 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a racism theory in mathematics < 1332738366 373559 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a theorem I heard somewhere: Bitches be triflin'. The proof is trivial. < 1332738388 497016 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know Feynman's Trivial Theorem? < 1332738411 720899 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would write an article that mathematically proves that the white race is superior, but i think we're 100 years away from that being obviously a joke. < 1332738449 118092 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps the asians, since they have all that skill level asian memery. < 1332738571 542626 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose if i wrote one about women, it would obviously be a joke < 1332738583 297809 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i wrote one about god, it would become the most famous mathematical paper ever. < 1332738583 775174 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1332738617 175731 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess that's been done, didn't that some guy that did boolean algebra in some visual way have a proof for every theorem and god? < 1332738634 578309 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm adding my hopes and dreams into the mix. < 1332738641 874301 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no. < 1332738694 99977 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you heard this math joke, i just heard it like last week < 1332738712 454172 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(writing it) < 1332738785 777661 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the third root of 2 irrational? because otherwise 2^(1/3) = m/n, so 2 = m^3/n^3, so n^3 + n^3 = m^3, which is a contradiction by wiles' theorem. < 1332738813 2593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1332738830 183088 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found that really funny < 1332738862 60701 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's true < 1332738926 836447 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually that theorem doesn't look too hard < 1332738937 864688 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should try to prove it < 1332738963 669587 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feynman's Trivial Theorem is: It's trivial! It's trivial! < 1332738991 800478 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well feynman is a silly dude < 1332739018 718080 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :math is a powerful drug, and you should be careful with it < 1332739072 151058 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay gotta go to work bye byes < 1332739805 830164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1332740446 853478 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1332742408 681654 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-121-176.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1332742740 300566 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-228-20.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332743356 102614 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-154-184.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332743500 706847 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-228-20.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1332743802 801787 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332744526 834524 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot norway < 1332744526 995449 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: his birthday is in the same < 1332744533 89872 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot cadmium < 1332744533 250716 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ( ( ( a()**)a*:a*)(a()**)a*:a*)((x1)(x2)(x3)) ...out of time! don't let that binds the variables < 1332746315 62781 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiles' theorem? Don't you mean Fermat's theorem? Wiles just has proven Fermat's theorem (Fermat may have proven it too, but if so, he did not write it down). < 1332746344 704121 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean Fermat's conjecture. < 1332746383 617156 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :conjecture because it was unproven? but it was (according to Fermat, anyway) < 1332746412 747241 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, make that "wasn't proven" and the second sentence makes more sense < 1332746436 223649 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, according to me, the Goldback conjecture is proven. < 1332746440 478902 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/k/h/ < 1332746442 581304 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs.
< 1332746461 373752 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, this IRC input line is too narrow to contain the proof (it's just one line wide!). < 1332746700 78578 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fermat's Theorem is that $a^n+b^n=c^n$ with $a$, $b$, and $c$ positive integers is an infinite number of solutions if $n=2$ but no solutions if $n$ is an integer greater than 2. Hofstadter's book "Godel, Escher, Bach" also mentioned $n^a+n^b=n^c$ which has the same properties just mentioned, but is easier to prove (no proof was given, but I can think of a proof easily) < 1332748172 248020 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1332750544 881368 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43987.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332751094 905876 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1332752276 464780 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-154-184.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332752455 421673 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-154-184.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1332753232 441829 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-238-143.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332753416 393842 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-154-184.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1332753450 966676 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43987.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1332753577 957949 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329ca4.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332755285 785974 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1332756106 678598 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88D4B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332756369 966678 :cheater!~cheater@g231042027.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1332757198 398883 :cheater!~cheater@e181157006.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1332757518 13665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/dada.png oh NO the trend is DOWN. < 1332758427 835740 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu QUIT : < 1332758871 566705 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: ...out of time-outs! < 1332759476 950563 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1332759499 341684 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sad that the octocats on GitHub have no tangle buddies. :_( < 1332759505 818416 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PART :#esoteric < 1332760033 738425 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332760050 8275 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1332760759 88023 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329ca4.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1332761305 544965 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1332761574 818434 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88D4B.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332762113 164340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1332762340 805303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:51:26: As far as I know the scientific method is 95% efficacious, so if it is 12% more efficacious then it would be more than 100%? < 1332762345 33394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does *that* number come from? < 1332762372 136330 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.12*0.95 < 1332762373 45966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.064 < 1332762411 777268 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-en < 1332762419 434572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the 95% one. < 1332762428 283637 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure why I said "-en" < 1332762440 793166 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I was making sure elliott's set to English mode? < 1332762680 434761 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, bonjour! < 1332762696 376789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aloha < 1332762714 926853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Zeroconf. < 1332762791 821316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curiously, "Avahi" sounds like a greeting too. Not that it is one. < 1332762930 818229 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alons y < 1332763683 255225 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1332763683 591730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1332763685 878787 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1332764219 24834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@zing < 1332764219 264111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1332764273 691568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@sing < 1332764273 853121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1332764394 808937 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"zzo38 � Wiles' theorem? Don't you mean Fermat's theorem? Wiles just has proven Fermat's theorem (Fermat may have proven it too, but if so, he did not write it down)." yeah fermat didn't prove it < 1332764398 733332 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be silly < 1332764420 402872 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a book on Fermat's theore < 1332764421 211507 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1332764425 772843 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't contain the proof < 1332764431 86078 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read one as a kid < 1332764433 32988 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly the same < 1332764467 50293 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one was published in '97 < 1332764530 427283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one too. It was by that Singh dude. < 1332764536 982483 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, same book < 1332764537 144250 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i read it when i was 11 or something, and i don't think it was very new < 1332764545 614812 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How old are you, oklopol? < 1332764546 753231 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so dunno if it's the same < 1332764552 51742 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 23 :( < 1332764555 208770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Was it mostly orangeish? < 1332764562 820109 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have absolutely no idea < 1332764569 144198 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember colors < 1332764582 140604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there a triangle on the cover? (Okay, I guess there might well be in any case.) < 1332764591 588968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it, in fact, look like http://www.amazon.com/Fermats-Last-Theorem-Simon-Singh/dp/1841157910 < 1332764620 962075 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, and it was a finnish translation, so i think it was older than that. < 1332764628 336097 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1332764631 632995 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1332764637 417630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that one as a present maybe a decade ago. < 1332764644 998895 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got this one maybe last month? < 1332764655 418737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think it was probably Finnish too. But it looked the same. < 1332764656 715951 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elderly relative was clearing out all of his maths books < 1332764689 109452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that there's a Finnish translation from 1998. < 1332764721 18599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm sure there's more than one book. < 1332764722 869627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general. < 1332764737 642970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lukuhetki.fi/product.php?id=11242 that's the Finnish cover. < 1332764741 541061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks very similaar. < 1332764766 360388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've moved the book title to the top, though. < 1332764775 892462 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it looks vaguely familiar < 1332765208 541417 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-157-42.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332765382 489654 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-238-143.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1332765818 439594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: asojd < 1332766678 369786 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1332766691 565095 :ais523!~ais523@147.188.254.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332766694 610444 :ais523!~ais523@147.188.254.137 QUIT :Changing host < 1332766694 771878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332766777 583865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1332766781 326268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your IRC client is broken < 1332766911 807747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed, but less broken than several others < 1332766925 209032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what particular problem did you notice? < 1332766943 465500 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess would be: < 1332766944 21823 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ais523 (~ais523@147.188.254.137) has joined #esoteric < 1332766944 184461 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ais523 has quit (Changing host) < 1332766944 184668 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ais523 (~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523) has joined #esoteric < 1332766955 145850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I don't really care about that < 1332766980 25650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially here; the 147.188 part is very easily guessable, and the other two parts are dynamic < 1332767027 445560 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring to the quit and reconnect < 1332767079 793762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's not a real quit and reconnect, it's simulated by the server < 1332767085 242769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the quit message < 1332767091 791284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not one the client can send < 1332767107 793434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it'd say Quit: Changing host if I tried to simulate it) < 1332767117 406799 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1332767252 126271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even shown to the client. < 1332767261 893407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just everyone else. < 1332767370 735371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a numeric "396 yournick your/cloak :is now your hidden host (set by services.)" as seen by the person doing it. < 1332767385 614170 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1332767426 500365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, if you just put your nickserv password as the server password you will get identified early enough so that it doesn't need to do the fake-quit. < 1332767442 267508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not true, I do put my nickserv password as the server password < 1332767471 177230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the client sends it again to nickserv manually just to make sure, but I get an "already logged in" response < 1332767524 738003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case it should have the host set before joining any channels, I thought. But maybe there's enough of a delay for the autojoins to go through before the host-setting stuff comes back from nickserv. < 1332767615 877095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nickserv seems to take some time to respond (and the server seems to convert a server password into the equivalent of a PM to nickserv) < 1332767627 844698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there's not < 1332767631 356866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1332767637 397276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i never have any problems < 1332767639 807607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does personal mode +i mean? identified? < 1332767645 710066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :invisible, IIRC < 1332767646 219326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invisible. < 1332767647 118103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is your server password in the right format? < 1332767648 479556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1332767649 870203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "pass :accountname" < 1332767655 253314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think just "pass" works too, though < 1332767659 574220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think so, and it does work to identify me < 1332767671 424614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's a :accountname so it works for ais523_ and scarf and callforjudgement and the rest) < 1332767745 670084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"never" is a strong word, mr. elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.3 has quit [Changing host] of 2012-03-06. < 1332767778 728049 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332767811 286423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome GhostHand < 1332767814 990574 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GhostHand: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1332767820 82150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Things were different then!!! < 1332767835 825942 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1332767914 355134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog Changing host < 1332767934 739989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need the client to wait several seconds to actually be identified, I guess, to avoid the problem altogether < 1332767941 825644 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are you? < 1332767946 884612 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1332767949 180950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm elliott < 1332767951 441076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is ais523 < 1332767954 419461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is a robot < 1332767962 965561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's a good summary < 1332767973 439353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're surprisingly ais523 really < 1332767978 118313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more ais523 than any other person I've known < 1332767980 869216 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Ngevd < 1332767984 995955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1332767990 713796 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you from? < 1332767994 238228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's quite a few robots, though. < 1332768007 446507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, for example fizzie < 1332768011 285418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :owned by fungot < 1332768011 446731 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and, dab, words like pop-culture should use the binary level, then!, and cond switching of character memory can be achieved with the c preprocessor is run and line labels < 1332768017 191116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GhostHand: me? england. < 1332768027 567315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not from Hexham or Helsinki, are you? < 1332768063 643139 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Come from China < 1332768076 371167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. i'm pretty sure there's no hexhams or helsinkis in china < 1332768100 912056 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very glad to meet you < 1332768111 777895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1332768147 358 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be your friend < 1332768162 913224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1332768175 556778 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i study CCNA < 1332768178 794722 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone wants to be elliott's friend < 1332768183 481796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1332768227 905785 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how does one exit man pages? I can never remember) < 1332768234 587886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1332768239 78808 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you like china? < 1332768240 685011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same way you exit less < 1332768248 995254 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that was easy < 1332768249 421577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GhostHand: china is the best < 1332768271 617026 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think < 1332768279 940250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :( < 1332768291 710196 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the environment is getting worse < 1332768318 808567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: man pages are actually shown with less (with a thinly-disguised interface change to make you think it isn't less if you aren't concentrating, but nobody's really fooled) < 1332768357 692840 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I rarely if ever use less < 1332768381 641712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cat .lessfilter < 1332768382 845452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :highlight -A "$1" 2>/dev/null < 1332768393 919175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tip for everyone: put that in your .lessfilter (not the cat line, the other line), then chmod it +x < 1332768404 536015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet that breaks search < 1332768407 284451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, set LESSOPTIONS to contain -R among your other options < 1332768419 930225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, let me test < 1332768445 566149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope! < 1332768457 390257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like less ignores the color commands in / < 1332768458 794286 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you study < 1332768459 344212 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1332768465 648914 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^.^ < 1332768469 229906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric programming languages, that's what the channel is about < 1332768489 466527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pline("%s%s and %s a %s in the %s!", < 1332768539 585734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sounds like a reality TV series post-sanitization. "BLEEP BLEEP and BLEEP a BLEEP in the BLEEP!" < 1332768555 23158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, indeed < 1332768559 795795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Do they BLEEP those? Maybe they don't.) < 1332768564 464497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :%s is a great way to imply something's been omitted < 1332768572 389006 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott,Do you like the Win32 Assembly? < 1332768574 906728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in the UK, typically they mute the sound and turn the camera to face at a wall < 1332768581 719815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes you wonder what the point is entirely < 1332768605 630469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, they cut to a camera that's already facing at a wall, doing that's faster) < 1332768645 840837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GhostHand: not exceptionally, no < 1332768832 941660 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cI think that my English is not very good, but I really like Web and programming < 1332768835 76821 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-233-25.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332769008 999623 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who can speak chinese < 1332769009 530498 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-157-42.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1332769025 655742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody in here, I think < 1332769050 284777 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was special < 1332769112 189424 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db412dd.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332769208 162219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a friend who speaks quite fluent Chinese, but that doesn't really help; he's not here. < 1332769253 527485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: which? < 1332769308 732620 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can slowly to speak English fluently < 1332769326 406750 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There may be a lot of grammatical mistakes < 1332769329 537018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What do you mean "which"? < 1332769342 573739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there's only one written Chinese language, but two unrelated methods of pronouncing it < 1332769348 188179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's entirely possible with ideogram-based languages) < 1332769351 169693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mandarin and Cantonese < 1332769368 946207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mandarin speakers can know no Cantonese, and vice versa; it's actually much rarer to know both < 1332769379 270814 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there were loads, and Mandarin and Cantonese were just the biggest? < 1332769394 6365 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You learn is IPV4 or IPV6 < 1332769404 695353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: possible < 1332769426 320887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, right. I think Mandarin? At least the person he probably speaks most Chinese with is from Beijing. < 1332769453 610631 :elly!~elly@atheme/member/elly PRIVMSG #esoteric :w 8 < 1332769458 480331 :elly!~elly@atheme/member/elly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1332769477 885883 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beijing? < 1332769494 173116 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is very beautiful < 1332769519 439338 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I in suzhou < 1332769539 606381 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you hear that < 1332769539 961266 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1332769575 550696 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of beautiful women < 1332769578 91779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1332769583 90577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's exactly what my friend said, too. < 1332769597 442325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it is true, then. < 1332769648 134452 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332769654 494454 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately it cannot picture < 1332769688 131554 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not I can send some beautiful pictures for you to see < 1332769740 120047 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db412dd.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1332769874 399919 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332770247 881392 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have heard of QQ < 1332770297 870759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have heard of it < 1332770945 645378 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That we used to chat < 1332771179 583713 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-233-25.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1332771196 997353 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-235-206.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332771254 244330 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1332771388 923070 :GhostHand_!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332771413 766945 :GhostHand_!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PART :#esoteric < 1332771418 687528 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-131-68.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332771453 767593 :GhostHand_!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332771551 641685 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-235-206.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1332771626 235659 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-5-184.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1332771626 564999 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-5-184.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1332771626 726344 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1332771709 882505 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good advice: don't try to learn how to use a library in one language by trying to adapt a tutorial for a completely different language that you don't know < 1332771801 603225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1332771826 218953 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1332771852 400165 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332771896 950846 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got an old-looking book on a bookshelf called "A BOOK ON C" < 1332771905 263184 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it could teach me how to program in C? < 1332771908 871590 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott. < 1332771938 143649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that is a book about C, apparently. < 1332771949 849210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: if you really want to learn C, you should probably pick up K&R < 1332772224 357934 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel assembly < 1332772489 963029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Are you sure the book is not about grand adventure on the high seas, with a punny name? < 1332772508 540605 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1332772512 154859 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never looked at it < 1332772519 81737 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean in it < 1332773102 630350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, elly spoke. < 1332773107 372802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elly: You have to change your name. < 1332773203 137910 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What time is it now < 1332773213 762113 :audy!~audy@heyaudy.com PART #esoteric :"["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]" < 1332773229 261413 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:46 < 1332773519 997176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:52 < 1332773933 132319 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:58 < 1332773951 243438 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE'RE MOVING BACKWARDS THRU TIME < 1332773951 483958 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The time machine! < 1332773953 710301 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's working! < 1332774155 709810 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu QUIT : < 1332774473 215970 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1332774480 532301 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's time to sleep < 1332774487 930604 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight! < 1332774493 242649 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1332774515 445611 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would Conway's game of life by any computationally different were it on a hyperbolic plane? < 1332774520 326197 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See you next time < 1332774551 275536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332774557 50094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight GhostHand < 1332774569 268217 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know my English right < 1332774577 351323 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1332774607 396556 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pleased do meet you < 1332774624 821654 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye~ < 1332774729 389275 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1332774729 642242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1332775221 863142 :GhostHand_!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1332775222 189808 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1332775258 389660 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332775294 617142 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 QUIT :Client Quit < 1332775456 926246 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332775473 700984 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 QUIT :Client Quit < 1332775613 324084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332775817 241742 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332775830 726622 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't sleep < 1332776050 931841 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome GhostHand < 1332776051 205399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1332776054 332095 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GhostHand: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1332776311 795375 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's already been welcomed. < 1332776420 4972 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who? < 1332776667 261785 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You < 1332776717 79410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Horton hears a Who. < 1332776813 314983 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friends and I on the analysis of the code < 1332777019 867826 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1332777107 254193 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov ax,0 < 1332777108 30464 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :call far ptr s < 1332777108 192354 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inc ax < 1332777108 192554 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s:pop ax < 1332777108 192676 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :add ax,ax < 1332777108 192788 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop bx < 1332777111 586229 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :add ax,bx < 1332777152 725957 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much is the value of the AX < 1332777179 805809 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s : pop ax < 1332777334 442060 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who used "ollydbg" < 1332777341 127864 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::? < 1332777347 392417 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1332777459 615691 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1332777504 499635 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332777527 316273 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332777817 81586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2*(offset s)+(segment s) or some such thing? It doesn't seem terribly useful. < 1332777896 998086 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie fizzie fizze..aw you're such a dizzy..dizzy head *sing < 1332777994 931233 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a little depressing that my most well-received program ever seems to be the one that is written in a programming language for children and creates a maze. < 1332778076 62353 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :programing language for children? can i have a look at its code? < 1332778077 480023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Dinner-away.) < 1332778299 355574 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it would be nice to have a programing language that one could play like music? like in loom you know? is there sth like that? if not we should create one..isn't it a good idea? < 1332778321 638095 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fugue? < 1332778407 604506 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there is one..ok < 1332778456 769009 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1332778508 273150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :velato also < 1332778518 310253 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it compiles midi files :)) < 1332778918 429489 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world sounds nice in velato < 1332778976 762148 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its really jazzy..nice work rottytooth < 1332778981 876758 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tribute! < 1332778982 142537 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who USES "LINUX" system < 1332779063 655373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use linux < 1332779072 766774 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :redhat? < 1332779117 895732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, arch < 1332779124 127286 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My time machine worked! It's 2002! People use RedHat! < 1332779140 920959 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to be fair, it's not MY time machine, I borrowed it from Mr. Peabody < 1332779142 712130 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still! < 1332779143 405327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, old news. < 1332779152 33929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been 2002 for like 3 months now. < 1332779184 523120 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to install a "Redhat" < 1332779192 253018 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1332779215 708405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redhat costs a lot of money these days. (Also it's not very good.) < 1332779227 387514 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used windows xp,now < 1332779468 30560 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try Fedora, it's sorta like Red Hat < 1332779485 136816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recommend anybody try Fedora. < 1332779501 634450 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't try Fedora, it's sorta like Red Hat < 1332779679 287102 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian! < 1332779758 870165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian! < 1332779971 65754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Shouldn't you, I don't know, use some sort of a hat-inspired distribution, anyway? < 1332779992 168612 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Not if it's garbage. < 1332780010 490559 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since the intersection of "distributions with names inspired by hats" and "garbage" is the entire first set, no. < 1332780050 303476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Well, there's Tinfoil Hat Linux. < 1332780067 85296 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: shouldnt you be forking a good distribution with the only change being that it is now a hat name? < 1332780137 202007 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Fezian Linux. < 1332780188 48781 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woooh Stallman talk at Purdue on Thursday. < 1332780190 688367 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should be fun. < 1332780271 543072 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be fun to troll him by e.g. speaking of Linux when talking about GNU. < 1332780296 408003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: As I understand it, Stallman just gives the same talk over and over. < 1332780307 789696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So unless you want to meet a walking cassette player... < 1332780322 947059 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332780369 276897 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: "I've been doing a comparitive study of Visual Studio and the Linux GCC compiler, and " < 1332780372 873018 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch is brain explode. < 1332780375 802510 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*his < 1332780419 410431 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332780429 172545 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1332780478 29812 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332780548 407618 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1332780577 405597 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :addr_sub, addr_min, dest_npos, dest_pos = [(memory[(inst + offset) % GENOME_LENGTH]) % GENOME_LENGTH for offset in [0,1,2,3]] < 1332780580 595317 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like that. < 1332780609 349180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: *compartive < 1332780643 904549 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp, I'm reasonably sure I've written a working modified Subleq interpreter. < 1332781213 589070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolangs are so last year. < 1332781778 38070 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1332781854 572902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332782208 886233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaguely amusing: the history (currently top of proggit) of /usr/bin, etc., which explains how /usr got its name < 1332782221 369974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's one of the most ridiculous historical reasons ever < 1332782244 394130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost as good as the last time it was on progit < 1332782245 652496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*proggit < 1332782256 380825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, clearly it stands for Unix System Resources < 1332782650 398829 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm still waiting for /opt/local to show up..." < 1332782673 769751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/opt/local does make sense, to some extent < 1332782685 15333 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess whoever wrote that either was being sarcastic or has not seen the sorrow that is OS X? < 1332782696 437254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were testing the build process of a package that normally aims for /opt, then I'd aim for /opt/local < 1332782705 417594 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329e1d.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332782725 831072 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What systems have /opt, anyway? < 1332782756 475188 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of them, but in virtually no case is /opt provided by the distro. < 1332782761 380355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: most Unices < 1332782767 346425 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least Linux-wise, some of the Unices have an /opt by default) < 1332782767 507647 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1332782774 249131 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1332782785 319795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even have a few packages in there, mostly (entirely?) games < 1332782793 218691 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I have some stuff in my /opt. < 1332782805 202803 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever I compile code myself instead of using a distro package I prefix it into /opt. < 1332782818 3249 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/opt/, that is, not just /opt) < 1332783418 434930 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1332783607 896206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: /opt is provided by default < 1332783609 623318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not things in it. < 1332783620 623121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I believe this is true of Debian and Arch.) < 1332783633 590611 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think it's true of Debian, but it's possible and even likely that I'm misremembering *shrugs* < 1332783637 735146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1332783640 420088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not certain. < 1332783842 354537 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1332783878 744135 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION generates a random program and executes it.
< 1332784142 740949 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This interpreter doesn't actually have output. It just prints the address of the instruction it's executing. < 1332784281 750095 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. It entered a loop and then executed it. < 1332784285 792462 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1332784288 625730 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Entered and then exited. < 1332784293 880045 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE CREATED INTELLIGENCE < 1332784443 786601 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loop -> intelligence. < 1332784446 137822 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett logic. < 1332784460 352485 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, all finite state machines loop. < 1332784472 497949 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it enters a loop and then exits it? That's a sure sign of intelligence, right there. < 1332784482 738335 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bah, all finite state machines loop. // Um ... no? < 1332784494 467326 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm, right. All FSMs loop or halt. < 1332784517 673835 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this interpreter interprets FSMs that do not halt. < 1332784849 234394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Halting is just a really tight loop, man. < 1332784871 451996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: on some embedded systems, it's /literally/ that < 1332784880 97877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you use an output pin to let them shut off their own power supply < 1332784908 584141 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.31 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332785284 464165 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think my wristwatch has a halting condition. < 1332785401 768188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it need one? < 1332785453 117622 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm... not really, I guess. < 1332785817 836490 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps its programming doesn't, but the device itself does. < 1332786238 83530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when did esr re-take-over C-INTERCAL? < 1332786249 559727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why don't you have an article on the wiki? < 1332786348 632156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we're both in charge, and I can't remember < 1332786354 607995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which wiki? < 1332786360 955051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and which article?) < 1332786394 728454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't really believe that, and hmph, and Esolang, and [[Alex Smith]] or something of the sort < 1332786496 47812 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If P beta-converts to Q does Q beta-convert to P? < 1332786569 574081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1332786580 431721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you mean beta-reduce < 1332786587 227926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\x -> x) (\y -> y) beta-reduces to (\y -> y) < 1332786590 905846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\y -> y) doesn't beta-reduce to anything < 1332786613 322443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine an expression that does a lot of complicated evaluation and then becomes the trivial infinite loop (\x -> x x) (\x -> x x) < 1332786620 189135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, that infinite loop doesn't evolve into the original expression :) < 1332786629 734375 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1332786634 239617 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But here the definition is < 1332786666 71356 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Iff we can change P to Q by a finite sequence of beta-reductions or reversed beta-reductions, we say P beta-converts to Q, or P is beta-equal to Q" < 1332786699 40972 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a reversed beta-reduction is called a beta-expansion. < 1332786704 171736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well, that's still wrong. < 1332786707 409154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1332786709 336273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Reversed". < 1332786714 707354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I guess so, then. < 1332786732 308964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Something being called "equality" is a good hint it's symmetric. :p) < 1332786759 614056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I mean, the proof is fairly obvious. < 1332786770 718842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just reverse all the beta-(reductions|expansions) into beta-(expansions|reductions). < 1332786772 905933 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to show, that F(YF) beta converts to YF < 1332786788 510955 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we can easyl show, thatt YF beta converts to F(YF) < 1332786794 766381 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-t +i < 1332786822 782637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. It shouldn't be that hard to just go the other way, though. < 1332786827 580920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. start at F(YF) and beta-expand backwards. < 1332786838 478560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the other way around is more intuitive, certainly. < 1332786840 244546 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expanding seems more difficult than ;) < 1332786913 634674 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternate questions < 1332786937 351176 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If P alpha-converts to Q, does P beta-convert to Q? < 1332787013 729311 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should, if i interpret the definition correctly. < 1332787156 734797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should think so. < 1332787492 515696 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1332788055 172098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, I think we should restructure esolang's categorisation slightly < 1332788075 774290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this "good" or "oh dear"? < 1332788099 557376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not sure; which would you prefer? < 1332788102 103560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather depends on what you want to change < 1332788120 942966 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(verb form of "esolang")ing = esoverbing? < 1332788143 166528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you're late to the party of reading that message < 1332788145 557738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a great party < 1332788165 743583 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no-one told me about that party! < 1332788199 163181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in the topic! < 1332788206 392336 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was? < 1332788239 232878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, esolangs.org moving servers was < 1332788250 314631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the comment was linked at the top of every page for over a week < 1332788320 421060 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I did notice the moving servers part, but I think I started ignoring the whole thing just before it went "live" < 1332788351 170313 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332788515 311961 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332788525 330320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anyway, my contention is that our notion of "joke languages" is a complete mess. it contains everything from languages that are literally just jokes, with no actual details (i.e. they don't even exist) -- think the lesser-known programming languages -- to languages that are "specified", but are obviously absurd and not real languages (QWERTY Keyboard Dot Language), to real languages that happen to be particularly "funny" (like HQ9+ and De < 1332788525 492027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :adfish), to fully-fledged esoteric programming languages that just happen to be ciphers of brainfuck (Ook!). This causes problems because the latter two kinds want further categorisation: they deserve to be categorised by implementation status, what level they're at, the paradigm, computational class, and so on. But we generally consider all these categories to imply [[Category:Languages]], which we explicitly do not include on joke language arti < 1332788525 853572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cles. < 1332788541 622044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, anyway, the classification of the latter two as "jokes" is really pretty subjective; do Ook! and HQ9+ really not belong on the language list? < 1332788558 805949 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332788565 380946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think the borderline is drawn at "intentionally unusable for programming" < 1332788571 861799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My suggestion is that we remove all real languages from the joke language list and category, and recategorise them as real languages, restricting the definition of "joke language" to languages that are actually *just* jokes. < 1332788576 103557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which puts HQ9+ on the joke side, and Ook! on the non-joke side < 1332788593 122645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The borderline isn't drawn there. < 1332788597 163976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Ook! is on the joke language list. < 1332788603 920578 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"intentionally unusable for programming" - isn't that very close to applying for every esolang? < 1332788607 396846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think we could definitely do with an overhaul < 1332788617 418916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, we mean unusable in the esolangs sense < 1332788621 917022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and [[HQ9+]] is in both [[Category:Joke languages]] and [[Category:Languages]]. < 1332788627 369905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also on [[Language list]]. < 1332788630 865872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as [[Joke language list]]. < 1332788643 875312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: as in, usability 0, as opposed to usability non-0 < 1332788686 454671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If jokeyness is just an attribute of languages, then we don't want a list, just [[Category:Jokes]]. But the joke language list was started for languages that *aren't* languages; LITHP isn't a language, IRP isn't a language, Esme isn't a language, QWERTY Keyboard Dot Language isn't a language. < 1332788735 936853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A further judgement call: TURKEY BOMB isn't a language. Yes, you can give it semantics, but the keyword is "giving"; it involves coming up with new things decidedly not in the original text, and is hence creating your own language inspired by the document. < 1332788756 653883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, by "was started", I mean "should be for". < 1332788760 436276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be" < 1332788775 320208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original joke languages were some brainfuck ciphers plus HQ9+ and friends: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Joke_language_list&oldid=227 < 1332788797 775583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I can see an argument that HQ9+ is exclusively a joke languaeg. < 1332788798 917596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*language < 1332788802 947003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about SLOBOL and DOGO? they're special cases, in some sense < 1332788816 440062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But I don't think a categorisation that files HQ9+ as a joke language is useful. < 1332788825 770232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's not at all clear what it means. < 1332788832 464305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some people seem to be using "joke" to mean "uninteresting" < 1332788847 830746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HQ9+ is definitely an interesting and theoretically important language, and should probably be featured at some point < 1332788864 731445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SLOBOL and DOGO are joke languages; they're also badly-specified languages with the same name as the joke languages, made by other people inspired by the joke languages. < 1332788887 205984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I was wondering if you'd call them separate languages < 1332788887 715435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original research(tm) should be separated out into its own section of each page; it's just confusing as it is. < 1332788894 861736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They don't need a new page, though.) < 1332788900 33946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, I'm inclined to think that the lesser-known languages aren't esolangs at all < 1332788905 911874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aren't. < 1332788908 88926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're joke languages. < 1332788912 649138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they aren't either < 1332788915 143930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just names < 1332788920 199955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's false. < 1332788925 97326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're names plus humorous descriptions. < 1332788929 23308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, OK < 1332788935 285491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"COCAINE is a joke language created by John Unger Zussman, and is one of the lesser known programming languages. It was described in the Info World article as follows: < 1332788935 484312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weary SLOBOL programmers often turn to a related (but infinitely faster) language, COCAINE." < 1332788961 524359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like [[Esme]] is a joke (except in another sense altogether). < 1332789018 846308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Really, I think the categorisation scheme people might want to lump Deadfish and HQ9+ and Ook! together is [[Category:Dumb]]. < 1332789025 468034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we want [[Category:Dumb]]. < 1332789039 357010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'd have to add that to almost every article on the wiki. < 1332789042 548019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'd argue that we have [[Category:Unusable for programming]] laready < 1332789044 132170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*already < 1332789052 36800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if we have a joke cat, it probably shouldn't mean the same thing < 1332789053 698345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's a better criterion. < 1332789062 233485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a computational class cat, somewhere below finite-state) < 1332789073 627283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll take it to the categorisation page later today. < 1332789120 238408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what proportion of esolangs on the wikis are BF derivatives? < 1332789123 223915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not counting BF itself) < 1332789124 209636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so, to check we're on the same page: of the things listed at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Joke_language_list, a list using a better definition would only include some entries from the general list, and the lesser-known programming languages list < 1332789130 881919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1332789166 57376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that HQ9+ is a bit borderline, BTW; it's a joke that accidentally became a language instead < 1332789177 898536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1332789234 936208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's your opinion (in terms of categorisation) on Schrodilang, Compute, Text, Huby, and Feather? < 1332789243 724056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that should be a good test to probe most of the boundaries < 1332789285 731739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, and what about this for a borderline: "intentionally underspecified" < 1332789321 4035 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“+: Increment the accumulator” < 1332789323 59873 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Specification intentionally insufficient for implementation" < 1332789323 220863 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughed out loud
< 1332789332 443594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: look at HQ9++ next :) < 1332789350 42527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Schrodilang: joke language (alas, this means we'll have to bend the category rules to allow the implemented+unimplemented joke to stay) < 1332789360 585442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to know too much OO to get the joke in HQ9++ < 1332789368 794951 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hehe < 1332789381 665367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not as good as the original, although it's still good < 1332789390 922895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Compute: joke language (the "implementation" does not actually implement the language, just something observationally equivalent -- I refuse to be dragged into an argument over this, so I'm declaring it by fiat ;)) < 1332789461 256697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm inclined to agree < 1332789470 516026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: DOGO -- ugh, maybe we do need two articles; DOGO-from-the-article is a joke language, DOGO-inspired-by-the-article is a full language (albeit a fairly boring one) < 1332789478 478022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1332789479 999864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't say dogo < 1332789482 993113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, onwards to Text < 1332789484 690077 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Rather than talking this all out here, you should make a talk: page that shows a suggested categorization. I'm losing track of all the options. < 1332789524 63840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'm talking about it with the other adult^Wadministrator in the room before taking it to [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] like I said :P < 1332789543 369925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Text -- mmh... let me defer this one until I've done the others < 1332789551 460489 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the other reason to make it a talk page: Because I don't actually pay attention ;) < 1332789567 475716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Feather -- not a joke language, just a joke article about a non-joke language < 1332789609 794186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, suppose I claim a language exists, I just haven't specified it yet < 1332789613 425912 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, has there been no wiki changes since last night, or has RecentChanges just stopped working? < 1332789616 690643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: former < 1332789617 51475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aha, I thought of a way to decide for Text < 1332789627 744207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then refuse to elaborate when people request details < 1332789628 164663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the article specifies a language, but that language /isn't the joke/ < 1332789636 881591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps < 1332789644 474959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Print the program's text." < 1332789647 580321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not funny < 1332789648 497806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking along the lines that the language is very computationally weak < 1332789658 555824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, say HQ9+ < 1332789666 336282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I wasn't under the impression that a joke language had anything to do with being funny < 1332789674 707008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, funniness is irrelevant < 1332789675 842081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say "jokey" < 1332789689 174930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Text, the language it specifies isn't the joke, it's incidental to the joke, so it's a joke language < 1332789704 915333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in HQ9+, there is no joke other than the language itself; it's a full language < 1332789706 469993 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've realized what topological dynamical systems have to do with recurrent sequences. < 1332789713 647232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, this means that the less jokey the language itself is, the more of a joke language it is...) < 1332789728 444419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that sort of thing does not surprise me < 1332789744 641752 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna have to read oerjan's PhD thingy. < 1332789746 568362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, here's another criterion: if you don't want me to remove it from the language list, it's not a joke language < 1332789756 147942 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So what category does that leave for languages which ARE the joke? < 1332789761 640306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want me to remove HQ9+ from the language list? no, so it's not a joke language < 1332789769 487586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about QWERTY Keyboard Dot Language? yes, so it's a joke language < 1332789776 104889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm fine for the two to be exclusive < 1332789784 21187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, is IRP a joke language? < 1332789791 403847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm inclined to say no < 1332789797 782488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that one's easy < 1332789801 424391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my current plan is to compile a bunch of examples, then use them to work out the rule) < 1332789803 263384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't actually specify a language < 1332789812 683523 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Polite English ;) < 1332789820 418646 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Polite English command form < 1332789829 195927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: So what category does that leave for languages which ARE the joke? < 1332789834 989068 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so joke languages that aren't languages will move to Category:Joke? < 1332789846 210649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: What I said doesn't really make sense out of context... my point is that you don't _need_ a category for HQ9+ or Deadfish < 1332789857 857880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: The former is funny, the latter is stupid; neither is a good objective categorisation < 1332789874 387752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: They're still languages, just languages unusable for programming, which we already have a category for < 1332789874 549202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Deadfish is stupid < 1332789880 874712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just My First Unfinished Esolang < 1332789881 985129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I said it was subjective :) < 1332789885 618760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, like, an esolang for small children < 1332789893 737342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's stupid in a very literal sense < 1332789901 788035 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :an esolang for small children :) < 1332789902 794966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the language itself is stupid, not the act of creating it < 1332789939 71576 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But isn't there a distinction between languages intentionally unusable for programming due to their being a joke, and languages unusable for programming either due to being unintentionally restricted or intentionally obtuse? < 1332789951 256771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we all agree, at least, that brainfuck derivatives don't count as joke languages? < 1332789953 522982 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332789962 293144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *necessarily < 1332789970 902049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it's possible to have a BF derivative that's also a joke language < 1332789973 612819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, that was a blanket statement < 1332789974 59407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like BF without ] < 1332789983 278458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's just a language you created as a joke < 1332790000 814266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if it /wasn't/ based on BF it'd fit all the criteria to be a joke language < 1332790008 820442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you consider Minimum a joke language, right? < 1332790016 641025 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329e1d.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1332790019 966626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this rate, I'm tempted to just delete the joke language list and purge the joke languages category < 1332790023 945772 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I'm comfortable with a world where "joke language" and "language created as a joke" don't mean the same thing >_> < 1332790031 704199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: INTERCAL was created as a joke < 1332790035 70029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since, clearly, there are no two members of the wiki who agree what it means < 1332790038 911649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no esolanger considers it a joke language < 1332790044 818174 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair 'nuff. < 1332790051 599605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: that makes like 80% of esolangs joke languages < 1332790056 458512 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair 'nuff. < 1332790078 822482 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make joke language and language two names for the same category? < 1332790079 176196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, I was wrong that no page on esolang has only one revision < 1332790081 287317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Hashes]] does < 1332790095 599177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I imagine one-revision pages simply aren't shown in the list < 1332790097 617952 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe add one for non-eso languages, if we have any of those < 1332790100 288768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, weird < 1332790114 40442 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! a 'complete'/'full'/'real' language? or what would be a good definition of that? < 1332790116 252205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you want to put COCAINE on the regular language list? < 1332790118 602890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there were bound to be loads, unless we had a drive-by categoriser or something < 1332790131 642312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: yes, AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! is just an esoteric language < 1332790135 711134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a syntactic gimmick < 1332790160 294322 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just esoteric you say < 1332790160 627769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'm pretty sure we're all agreed that syntactic gimmicks don't by themselves make a language a joke language, no matter how silly or stupid they are, right? < 1332790179 928050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1332790190 64316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree, so everyone must agree < 1332790190 841546 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not sure if that's a language... just a joke maybe? < 1332790198 785166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's the point! < 1332790210 639624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next step: who here thinks it's possible for a language to simultaneously be a joke language, and Turing-complete? < 1332790219 44978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, ok, it seems like most people actually want a list of languages created as jokes < 1332790219 665185 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION raises hand
< 1332790223 778661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :including HQ9+ and Ook! < 1332790225 75804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1332790231 357749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're now the universal arbitrators of humour < 1332790234 367936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: can you give an example? < 1332790242 577558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*arbiters < 1332790243 334190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm torn on that issue, atm < 1332790243 495957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1332790248 43400 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SNOBOL as defined, or ShaFuck. < 1332790250 603699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i say no < 1332790251 969282 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1332790253 101036 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SLOBOL < 1332790261 91323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'd say SLOBOL as defined is non-joke < 1332790276 9753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1332790280 780828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually /easier/ to implement and run than TwoDucks, which isn't a joke either < 1332790282 652026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, i am not convinced shafuck is tc < 1332790285 307634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or slobol < 1332790291 503571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: neither am I < 1332790292 816729 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it would be easier to define what makes a language 'complete' than what makes it 'funny' < 1332790314 116325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i guess slobol is more likely < 1332790316 938174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's per-line, afaict < 1332790328 418508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I don't understand its spec at all < 1332790353 430816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Let's put it this way: You say ShaFuck is a joke language because you created it as a laugh. < 1332790374 383848 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right right, and the problem is that I created ORK as a laugh. < 1332790375 880442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: That's what 90% of people who put languages on the wiki think about their languages: they created them as a laugh. < 1332790380 735351 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wouldn't call it a joke language. < 1332790386 757031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1332790390 526677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I've created /any/ esolangs as jokes < 1332790393 753371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is worrying < 1332790405 881619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, brainfuck (lowercase b), I guess, but that isn't on the wiki yet < 1332790406 43205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was all about to use Checkout as an example of where that doesn't apply
< 1332790411 636370 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The esolangs he's made have all been earnest attempts at the world's next Java. < 1332790423 782422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I could turn on the MW thing that makes page titles fully case-sensitive :) < 1332790439 628546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I meant Brainfuck (uppercase b) < 1332790441 388187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :got them muddled < 1332790449 902163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same appiles < 1332790451 894720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*applies < 1332790509 597040 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to say since the the source of all humour might be the experience of harm < 1332790562 457508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1332790580 657710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: reminds me of a cartoon I saw in the newspaper a while back, where a musician was complaining to his parents that they didn't bring him up in a dysfunctional environment, so he had nothing to write about < 1332790598 254564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's only 70 non-redirect mainspace pages with only one revision < 1332790612 467457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds about right < 1332790651 463780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1332790675 978979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1332790676 767368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1332790768 609054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my next 100 reddit comments have to be one-liners to make up for that gigantic one < 1332790928 164704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we've just been talking about how the joke language classification is a huge mess, btw < 1332790938 128259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1332791034 898706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Anyway, I'm sure there's more than one book. <-- FILTHY HERETIC! < 1332791050 535788 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332791264 549760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's "pass :accountname" < 1332791295 144163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i don't do that, but i guess it doesn't matter if you always connect with one of the nicks in the account? < 1332791300 811624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1332791826 282549 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1332791839 101756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION without having read the mess yet, on the spot thinks of the following classification scheme for joke languages: Cyphers, Cloud Cuckoolanders, Crap and Can't Compute
< 1332791882 226232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly there might be some overlap. < 1332791888 563882 :azaq23!~derivecto@HSI-KBW-046-005-248-025.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1332791894 632884 :azaq23!~derivecto@HSI-KBW-046-005-248-025.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Changing host < 1332791894 794371 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332791903 711719 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Client Quit < 1332791919 556087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What would they *burn* if there were just the one Good Book? < 1332791927 280180 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332791930 885877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, Esme would belong to all but the first category. < 1332791932 203614 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all in all a classification in joke and non-joke languages is not a good idea < 1332791947 761931 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry elliott < 1332791953 909555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm that's a point. < 1332792060 850274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we could make a table with checkmarks for each category, in some relevant order < 1332792124 131074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do you know Esme is sub-TC? it's too underspecified to calculate a computational class for it < 1332792152 38601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that would make my reordering crusade much more arduous... < 1332792160 678451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan without having read the mess yet, on the spot thinks of the following classification scheme for joke languages: Cyphers, Cloud Cuckoolanders, Crap and Can't Compute < 1332792167 639316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh right. maybe cloud cuckoolanger should imply can't compute < 1332792170 306079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the problem isn't the categorisation _beyond_ what we have. < 1332792177 555236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1332792187 211352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is what we call joke language vs. not a joke language to start with < 1332792191 992814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oerjan's categorisation can be seen as a definition in its own right < 1332792207 687771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (for instance, HQ9+ is currently on both the language and joke language lists. and in both categories.) < 1332792234 516533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that is presumably only due to being famous... < 1332792238 554004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1332792261 740883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if HQ9+ weren't famous, you wouldn't have any compunction removing it from languages, i think. < 1332792262 296329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whereas Ook! is not on the language list (!), but is on the joke language list, and is not in [[Category:Languages]] but /is/ in several categories we conventionally reserve for non-joke languages only.) < 1332792277 654231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, i would. but it's pointless repeating the discussion we just had before you get to it, anyway. < 1332792289 154288 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just remove joke language and put all languages in language? < 1332792300 780970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote that Ook! is historically important, but doesn't fit the modern definition of a joke language < 1332792309 213982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus should be recategorised as a "dwarf joke language2 < 1332792309 375138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you proposed that earlier and got an answer... < 1332792311 498236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/2/"/ < 1332792313 616472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with Ceres < 1332792317 85080 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I did? < 1332792317 999721 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-126-157.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332792327 800035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://esolangs.org/wiki/QWERTY_Keyboard_Dot_Language you think this belongs in [[Category:Languages]]? < 1332792329 732017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's becaus Ook! is a cipher (looking at wikipedia, i think y is wrong there), which means it can be a joke despite fulfilling all other requirements < 1332792366 944669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "the categorisation we have for joke languages is correct. evidence: the categorisation we have for joke languages" < 1332792376 878746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, like i said, pointless to reiterate < 1332792391 245404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Mugh_brains or this < 1332792429 557763 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, put all languages in language, anything in joke language but not a language loses a category (for now anyway) < 1332792476 960227 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-131-68.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1332792504 331786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ... the whole point is that we don't have a well-defined criterion for what is a "language" < 1332792507 537794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this context. < 1332792522 687235 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I thought the problem was the joke classification < 1332792533 536565 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well, remove both categories if you don't know what they mean < 1332792636 317586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, oerjan didn't write [[CHIQRSX9+]] < 1332792927 755438 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Ook! belongs in [[Category:Languages]] and in [[Category:Joke languages]], but QWERTY Keyboard Dot Language belongs in only [[Category:Joke languages]], and same with Mugh brains. < 1332792950 875814 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is just my opinion and is not necessarily best way if you have a better idea. < 1332793005 621966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what about ShaFuck? < 1332793088 692504 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know, but at least it belongs in some category which mentions relation to brainfuck < 1332793192 907901 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1332793249 113014 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esme, ###, IRP, NOT A PROGRAM, TURKEY BOMB, and lesser known programming languages, belongs in Joke languages only, in my opinion (at least for now). < 1332793319 377821 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also Magritte, Compute, Babbage, Parrot, and Unnecessary. < 1332793379 158691 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.31 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332793821 274440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : heh, oerjan didn't write [[CHIQRSX9+]] <-- no, it was there when i joined the wiki, i think, which did however give me an excuse to make [[Ørjan Johansen]] :P < 1332793894 737656 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332794045 341789 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332794068 215951 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1332794071 179983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't yet indulged in [[Elliott Hird]]. mostly because i can't decide whether i want it to be called that or [[ehird]] < 1332794074 764400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening < 1332794089 306575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compromise on [[elliott]]? < 1332794092 656698 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't yet indulged in [[Nathan van Doorn]] because I feel unworthy < 1332794104 275072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think that would be rather unfair to other potential elliotts :P < 1332794104 942059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread the rn as an m < 1332794114 429251 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that happens often < 1332794122 313862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :being mononymous would be cool though < 1332794122 475087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't you dislike most other elliotts? < 1332794127 762227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Conal! < 1332794140 259546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wasn't sure if you disliked him < 1332794145 322650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just need to find a font which makes rn indistinguishable from m, and use it for that page < 1332794145 880135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably no, based on that? < 1332794151 328552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I said most, rather than all, anyway < 1332794157 300336 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've got A Book on C down from the bookshelf < 1332794159 587041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: overkerning is sometimes called "keming" < 1332794164 331059 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about the programming language < 1332794168 365781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i know < 1332794193 687401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rn is clearly distinguishable from m in this font, but it still looks like an m < 1332794197 379226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a different sort of m < 1332794204 622567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm would it be possible to use CSS to force rn to look like m? < 1332794213 624160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without changing the font itself) < 1332794229 924204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt it < 1332794237 300634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use CSS to hide it and replace it with an m, I guess < 1332794242 922152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that'd need you to tag the rn < 1332794255 77162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously it needs some tag < 1332794258 737596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you wouldn't be able to highlight the r and n separately < 1332794290 886017 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This book was published 1984 < 1332794309 2994 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it still work? < 1332794347 363504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it should work doubleplusgood < 1332794351 89279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: hm would it be possible to use CSS to force rn to look like m? < 1332794354 79135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, with letter spacing < 1332794378 667662 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of programming language is Pascal? < 1332794395 95558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: imperative, structured, not object oriented without extensions < 1332794395 256739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad < 1332794418 581392 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mentioned to contrast with C < 1332794420 903706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very modular either < 1332794427 716953 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thought occurs. < 1332794439 284333 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using Windows at the moment, and lack a C compiler < 1332794452 257997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i really wouldn't read that book. < 1332794458 13291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(again, without extensions. turbo pascal was popular at one time and included a lot of needed extras) < 1332794458 261155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pascal was invented by a member of the Algol 68 committee who didn't like the direction Algol 68 would take < 1332794462 299367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was taking < 1332794467 388904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: most C books are of appallingly low quality and will set you on the road to misconceptions and hellishness. < 1332794492 941238 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall write the first program written < 1332794496 587217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :algol 68 has second system syndrome, iiuc, so Pascal tried to simplify the original Algog even further instead < 1332794501 323682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Algol < 1332794597 911272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh and Pascal also follows Wirth's afaik general policy of being very simply parseable with readable keywords < 1332794629 476681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds the worst citation in all of Wikipedia.
< 1332794662 523982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pascal is LL(1), i suspect) < 1332794667 953565 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, can anyone reccomend a C compiler for Windows? < 1332794681 830446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mingw < 1332794686 839136 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I use GNU C compiler with MinGW < 1332794696 776993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i should stop giving advice to people who ignore advice < 1332794738 916671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :people call pascal bad but i cannot help having a bit of a weak spot for it, as the first structured language i learned < 1332794741 438603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Borland C++ 4! < 1332794751 453951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: recommendation ceased being valid about 10 years ago) < 1332794761 112410 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MANY CHOICES < 1332794762 342351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(err, more like 20) < 1332794770 183183 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which programming languages have "arithmetic if"? < 1332794830 525764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if there aren't enough, you can invent some to redress the balance < 1332794837 378022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternatively, if there are too many, you can invent some that don't have it < 1332794839 180599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what's that? < 1332794909 579691 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No I mean which ones not if there is too much or not enough. < 1332794952 490125 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Where the condition is always two inputs and then you compare, the jump target or result or whatever is depend on less, equal, greater. < 1332794965 530614 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/2205391 < 1332794995 397276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i'm not sure i know of any, although computed goto might be used... < 1332795012 320652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fortran (i think) and some basics) < 1332795026 682805 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetic_IF < 1332795056 14075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can sort-of simulate it in Perl, by using <=> to index a hash tbable < 1332795060 754465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*table < 1332795085 57430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fortran has arithmetic if < 1332795105 592144 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Fortran does, that article describes it. I just wanted to know if anything else would have. < 1332795141 54394 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only other one I know is TeXnicard which also uses arithmetic if. < 1332795200 479668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [["smaller","equal","bigger"]!!compare 0 a | a <- [-5..5]] < 1332795201 431744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Int' < 1332795201 623732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type ... < 1332795203 641343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1332795208 192143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1332795216 928476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody conversions < 1332795235 467961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no... < 1332795238 122905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t compare < 1332795239 135301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Ord a) => a -> a -> Ordering < 1332795239 651050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (!!) < 1332795240 479280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> Int -> a < 1332795240 924183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [["smaller","equal","bigger"]!!fromEnum(compare 0 a) | a <- [-5..5]] < 1332795241 966077 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["bigger","bigger","bigger","bigger","bigger","equal","smaller","smaller","... < 1332795243 665253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… Python syntax : Perl syntax :: kana : kanji, discuss < 1332795244 410863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok < 1332795246 973108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a conversion of a sort < 1332795280 774114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, !! . fromEnum . compare probably does count < 1332795294 826432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does . work the other way round in Haskell? < 1332795295 141639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1332795297 110454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that in python < 1332795304 220424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1332795306 265750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that doesn't work because (!!) takes the list as its first argument < 1332795314 150792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because compare takes two arguments < 1332795318 94747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's (\x -> (!!) (fromEnum (compare x))) < 1332795325 327843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :== (\x y -> fromEnum (compare x) !! y) < 1332795326 606205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nonsense < 1332795338 834065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed on the (!!); the compare taking two arguments thing is ridiculous, though, despite being correct < 1332795376 967136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess currying only goes so far < 1332795385 109865 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TeXnicard's arithmetic if instruction is pure; not all of TeXnicard's instructions are pure but the arithmetic if instruction is) < 1332795397 460533 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beeing minimal the only if operation you need is jnz..do you agree? < 1332795398 272234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's nonsense < 1332795416 315798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Underload, * doesn't care about argument count < 1332795418 218844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be ridiculous for (. compare) to automatically gobble up the other argument < 1332795427 421887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatMap f = concat . map f -- suddenly this is invalid < 1332795444 569728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes it does < 1332795450 11673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything in underload is a function from one stack to one stack < 1332795461 601641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance < 1332795468 59373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dup :: (a,r) -> (a,(a,r)) < 1332795469 521096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1332795472 899616 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i guess every complex comparison leads down to jnz on a low level < 1332795478 704071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: gah you wrote it backwards! < 1332795482 735307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat :: (s1 -> s2) -> (s2 -> s3) -> (s1 -> s3) < 1332795485 36262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dup :: (r,a) -> ((r,a),a) < 1332795486 41675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka < 1332795487 217288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>>) < 1332795488 114783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (cat :: * -> * -> *) a b c. (Control.Category.Category cat) => cat a b -> cat b c -> cat a c < 1332795491 154738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is flip (.) < 1332795494 211171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo the category thing anyway < 1332795495 483322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip (.) < 1332795496 315155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b (f :: * -> *). (Functor f) => f a -> (a -> b) -> f b < 1332795501 336566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, haskell (.) is exactly like underload * < 1332795510 770209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1332795511 362130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CALE < 1332795520 285502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: or jump tables < 1332795537 655277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not really; what you're saying is that you need to interpret all Underload functions as taking one returning one in order to make the embedding in Haskell work < 1332795549 74625 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it work oerjan? < 1332795571 603560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1332795576 721733 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if its possible to sum it up shortly < 1332795580 756866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the definition of concatenative < 1332795590 940655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: you have a table of destinations, and jump indirectly using your value as the index... < 1332795591 197748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is that (f++g) === (f . g) < 1332795603 156278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1332795603 986069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(g . f) < 1332795606 633126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. (f++g)(stk) === g(f(stk)) < 1332795626 226212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and we're arguing about what . means < 1332795626 504849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say underload * works on something other than functions of one argument, you are claiming underload isn't concatenative < 1332795632 934427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: feel free to "generalise" that (.) < 1332795636 806281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll see it doesn't work < 1332795643 440252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with your proposed generalisation < 1332795643 824277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: on one level, the functions have one argument < 1332795646 948106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on another level, they don't < 1332795653 636281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider them as taking one tuple, for instance < 1332795670 496493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still use Haskell (.) there, but now they're effectively taking two arguments < 1332795680 712837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is stupid < 1332795693 512396 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1332795760 318795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [((((["smaller","equal","bigger"]!!).fromEnum).).compare) 0 a | a <- [-5..5]] < 1332795761 957844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["bigger","bigger","bigger","bigger","bigger","equal","smaller","smaller","... < 1332795769 177715 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWSS < 1332795795 759129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1332795857 418058 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but how to compare if sth is smaller, greater or equal using that table you mentioned? wouldn't it take an infinte number of indexes on that table < 1332795904 905225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: well ok, if you want all values... < 1332795910 516116 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1332795941 358399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate whoever added this citation < 1332796057 260125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: hm, you could so shift right to get it down to 0 or 1 >:) < 1332796060 271119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do < 1332796187 681243 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which directly leads us to jnz in the end.. < 1332796211 388723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: no, you can use the jump table there :P < 1332796226 942383 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrhr < 1332796229 176996 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1332796256 111366 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used negative,zero,positive like Fortran does. Using subtract with strings is the C strcmp so you can use arithmetic if to compare strings too. < 1332796299 357512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DO YOU USE THIS STUPID WEBSITE < 1332796299 713225 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why/when should i do that? < 1332796343 857621 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beside when beeing mentally ill < 1332796444 210339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: um wait, jnz only compares to zero, right? that's rather inconvenient for comparing non-equal numbers... < 1332796486 324478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, and of course the suggested simpler interface doesn't work < 1332796536 761965 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: its absolutely sufficient for comparing non-equal numbers..what do you mean? < 1332796589 916172 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw ok .. inconvenient < 1332796642 733044 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.. i just wanted to know if it really is everything i need (strictly) < 1332796738 35921 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore i do not understand the use case of comparison functions returning anythin else than true or false < 1332796754 961939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: um comparison is a three-way thing. < 1332796782 508754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :less than, equal, or greater than < 1332796800 643889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [((((["many","two","one"]!!).fromEnum).).compare) 2 a | a <- [1..]] -- I can count < 1332796802 225587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["one","two","many","many","many","many","many","many","many","many","many"... < 1332796804 951395 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure but the output will always be true or false right? < 1332796840 97670 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i just misunderstood the problem..sry < 1332796840 568721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: are you unfamiliar with switch/case statements? < 1332796853 528865 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1332796863 954121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: jnz doesn't easily allow you to check which number is greater if they are not equal < 1332796864 473717 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no..im familiar with them < 1332796879 481232 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that point is clear < 1332796880 568461 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332796881 407924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you could use the shift right trick with it, though) < 1332796882 817509 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1332796949 631839 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't just sure if one is able to reduce all that nice (or complex) comparisons to jnz on a lower level < 1332796960 536078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. it turns negative numbers into 1 and nonnegative numbers to 0. < 1332796992 752196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming 2's complement, which is ubiquitous. < 1332797004 287398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it doesn't work with unbounded integers... < 1332797034 267657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh we had that shift left trick the other day for that. < 1332797055 136473 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1332797087 124603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has the small problem it gives astronomical size intermediate numbers :P < 1332797164 261777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If you feel like dazzling people on an unrelated channel, this could do with some golfing: < 1332797167 761675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let seql = maximum . map (length . takeWhile (uncurry (==)) . ap zip (enumFrom . head)) . tails in seql [22,23,5,6,7,8,9,13,14] < 1332797169 314011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1332797174 365595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary: lots of things can be written in terms of other things. < 1332797236 249361 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db42c5d.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332797256 102773 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1332797258 455885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf does that do < 1332797263 652659 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db42c5d.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd < 1332797269 421348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t maximumBy < 1332797270 160326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> a -> Ordering) -> [a] -> a < 1332797286 915583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let seql = maximum . map (length . takeWhile (uncurry (==)) . zip <*> enumFrom . head) . tails in seql [22,23,5,6,7,8,9,13,14] < 1332797287 664230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a1 -> a' < 1332797287 888220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `GHC.T... < 1332797291 960743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let seql = maximum . map (length . takeWhile (uncurry (==)) . (zip <*> enumFrom . head)) . tails in seql [22,23,5,6,7,8,9,13,14] < 1332797293 408229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1332797320 490495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1332797366 910727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Length of longest sequence of consecutive integers in the list. < 1332797379 875758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1332797411 940566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, maximum of "length of a prefix consisting of consecutive integers" in tails, if you want a more literal description. < 1332797417 526718 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-126-157.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1332797420 35117 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1332797483 804596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Having "takeWhile id" and "zipWith (==)" was a character or two shorter, but it's a bit boring.) < 1332797615 551356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tails [22,23,5,6,7,8,9,13,14] < 1332797616 299051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[22,23,5,6,7,8,9,13,14],[23,5,6,7,8,9,13,14],[5,6,7,8,9,13,14],[6,7,8,9,13... < 1332797637 744803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote zipWith < 1332797640 930425 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :463) The zipWith Camel, a famous World War 1 era airplane. < 1332797654 417704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't not think of that whenever I write "zipWith". < 1332797675 735044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (x, enumFrom x)) [22,23,5,6,7,8,9,13,14] < 1332797676 508646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(22,[22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,... < 1332797677 839786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maximum.map length.group.zipWith(-)[0..]$[22,23,5,6,7,8,9,13,14] < 1332797679 424423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1332797680 391860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, fuck this < 1332797681 503845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa < 1332797705 791152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does a little victory dance
< 1332797713 658018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is Ted Dziuba commenting in /r/haskell :( < 1332797726 353928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ups the complete fucking moron count to like 3 < 1332797783 786161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^ < 1332797806 546924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I can't find the properly impressed words, but I guess I could go with "whoa". < 1332797819 532410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the cleverest. < 1332797955 302974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOES THE INTERNET HATE ME < 1332797978 655370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of your intelligence, clearly. < 1332797987 451613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or could it be the smashing good looks < 1332798006 31518 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Internet hates you because you hate the Internet. < 1332798262 899048 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1332798436 827391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY < 1332798437 170613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY < 1332798437 554365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY < 1332798437 927039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY < 1332798558 270852 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1332798705 572769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cornelis_H._A._Koster&diff=484080655&oldid=449351404 < 1332798719 857528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was the most painful thing i have ever attempted to do on the internet. < 1332798723 65448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, not quite.) < 1332798735 580210 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you help me with things of TeXnicard such as documentation of the things that already works and so on? < 1332798860 69955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you edit Esolang? it's had none today! < 1332798876 22318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'll do what oerjan does < 1332798891 806570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go home, sadly < 1332798905 339985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe only sad for your inactivity complaints < 1332798908 820305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Yo < 1332798917 976027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think oerjan's technique may prove fatal for my faith in humanity. < 1332799008 652632 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332799015 403231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332799018 874937 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332799102 922028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1332799168 660516 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1332799197 8422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i am not sure i can oblige your request for a logo on wikipedia interwikis < 1332799221 732901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat D: < 1332799236 710132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cry
< 1332799237 409288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cry
< 1332799238 52170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cry
< 1332799238 745532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cry
< 1332799253 908150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cry
< 1332799257 673104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: commons lists the favicon as public domain but containing a trademark of the wikimedia foundation. < 1332799285 150300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means I'll have to obey the trademark policy. or get express permission from them, which I can't be arsed to do. < 1332799315 653382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i never demanded it had to be a wikipedia logo... < 1332799344 577208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you have a better idea than the W? < 1332799353 81534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: the external link icon isn't an option.) < 1332799364 647080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i think oerjan's technique may prove fatal for my faith in humanity. <-- what technique? < 1332799377 895356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the external link icon. < 1332799379 735198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa < 1332799384 877877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"link directly to Wikimedia's website(s) by using banners and buttons derived from Wikimedia trademarks and logos." this *may* legitimise it. < 1332799393 180723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : i think oerjan's technique may prove fatal for my faith in humanity. <-- what technique? < 1332799396 587530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleaning up random pages. < 1332799399 555688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha. < 1332799418 667396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, i've been clicking on random pages and thinking "nah, can't be bothered" too < 1332799428 9134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday, in fact. < 1332799481 73578 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Could you swat elliott for me? < 1332799487 559247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might explain why there were no edits, if there werent' :P < 1332799524 717046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you have a reason, in triplicate? < 1332799543 642617 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have about 1/12th of that. < 1332799556 584851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1332799575 780220 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that enough? < 1332799578 806675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just keep buying packages, and then you may eventually get a whole set. < 1332799582 8644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : which might explain why there were no edits, if there werent' :P < 1332799583 885753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :today, not yesterday. < 1332799588 720676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it just turned tomorrow in norway? < 1332799591 123011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking norway. < 1332799614 415643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Farm fsdf'kdfls;f;'dflg < 1332799617 226459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: with my sleeping patterns "yesterday" is a varying term. < 1332799652 482383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it you aren't finding anything to edit either. < 1332799658 553085 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yesterday is before you slept < 1332799667 182321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think of it as the stars being wrong today. < 1332799667 732600 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good page < 1332799681 418651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please, my sleeping patterns are weirder than yours < 1332799683 603225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: exactly! < 1332799684 228693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, I just made an edit < 1332799801 220683 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :another useful rule: a new day starts with breakfast, so if you've been going too long on your current day and need to make a new one - just eat breakfast < 1332799806 848710 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think elliott has me on /ignore. < 1332799811 162630 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's swatworthy, right? < 1332799816 210711 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, the stars are wrong today? Have you looked at them and not found them where the computer told you to look? < 1332799921 731715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll swat him if he doesn't disprove it within a minute or so. < 1332800031 286229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: cthulhu probably ate some of them. < 1332800078 348272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/MISC_Turing-completeness_proof i think we should delete this article for having a title that is a blatant lie. < 1332800082 838623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats elliott -----###
< 1332800116 574056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that oerjan only swats people for non-reasons if _others_ ask.
< 1332800154 86602 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess he does it when there's a reason xor when people ask < 1332800173 639992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey it was a joke. also you could just move that page to http://esolangs.org/wiki/MISC_Turing-completeness_non-proof, hth < 1332800215 900880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also i gave you more than 2 minutes. < 1332800257 585874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_and_ checked that you weren't idle. < 1332800304 862135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was idle for those minutes. < 1332800453 516457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:13 idle : 0 days 0 hours 0 mins 32 secs [signon: Mon Mar 26 13:40:28 < 1332800539 275878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMPLAUSIBLE < 1332800540 720486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said, i was idle for those minutes, whatever the IRC server says. < 1332800561 468689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats elliott for doubting the mighty IRC server. -----###
< 1332800599 694848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever. < 1332800616 147181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good. < 1332800661 719973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks MISC might still be TC by using the relative addressing in an infinite memory, TM style.
< 1332800667 970096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: see talk page. < 1332800672 347644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :featured language http://esolangs.org/wiki/There_Once_was_a_Fish_Named_Fred | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1332800682 120157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1332800700 111509 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Swat elliott for pretending types in Haskell mean anything. < 1332800723 495953 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the type proves it" -- ehird "what's _|_ anyway" elliott < 1332800754 317557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if shachaf is trying to convince him to actually /ignore him.
< 1332800785 820150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats shachaf -----###
< 1332800812 714152 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Now ban elliott. < 1332800818 544175 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by elliott I mean me. < 1332801739 465473 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-154.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1332801741 687388 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-58.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332801879 391111 :SDr!SDr@unaffiliated/sdr QUIT : < 1332802125 293295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, which one of you is 83.252.161.133 < 1332802167 229771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner? < 1332802241 890757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me < 1332802361 652570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say olsner because http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_ideas&diff=prev&oldid=30952 < 1332802686 84004 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.31 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332802786 848973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION improve
< 1332803053 250256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i hope you didn't spend much time on that :P < 1332803060 332481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1332803082 230641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a part of me that keeps wanting to make the article for http://esolangs.org/wiki/Snack look amazing. < 1332803089 945145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i wonder if that might not ruin the poetic badness of it. < 1332803105 765447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the amazing first sentence. < 1332803157 875501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Pokemon evolve-related joke hiding in "* oerjan improve", but I don't know enough of the thing to make it. < 1332803405 761868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION improve more
< 1332803438 661815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this? OERJAN is evolving! < 1332803451 502949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OERJAN involved into A|W#_)~IZ{A¦"L{qo@~_)the pain < 1332803469 479220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\09#*)! < 1332803472 334409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guru Meditation < 1332803478 392935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-J83173: 000-83,1 < 1332803497 199002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_who_ is evolving, you said < 1332803602 987778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO. WELCOME TO ELLIOTT SIMULATION SYSTEM 2012. < 1332803617 170204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C) MICROSOFT CORPORATION 1987. < 1332803625 191677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOADING DATA BANKS..........................DONE. < 1332803636 149566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOADING HATRED...............................................................................................................................................DONE. < 1332803648 243075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOADING PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE REMARKS......................................................................DONE. < 1332803655 803723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOADING CHEAP SARCASM...............................................................................DONE. < 1332803663 380144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOADING KEYBOARD-SMASHING MODULES...........................................................DONE. < 1332803666 734920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION steals the databank with "Daisy, Daisy" on it to ruin the ending.
< 1332803674 524140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RETICULATING SPLINES.................................................................GOATEE. < 1332803686 829672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CALIBRATING ABACUS...................................................LOST IT. < 1332803702 261294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EDUCATING BUSINESS WEASELS.........................................................FORTUITOUS. < 1332803712 701421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXOSKELETON MONOCLE EPICYCLE....................AFFLUENCY. < 1332803737 518153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENTERING S;DLK *($&!\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\QRNGU < 1332803750 556716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC LOAD LETTER < 1332803751 347053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1332803761 847906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hulk smash < 1332803765 745960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC LOAD LETTER < 1332803766 231603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1332803785 198842 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the paper? < 1332803804 76998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1332803804 540872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1332803824 191539 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad!!!!!! < 1332803829 677974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP < 1332803830 241186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1332803898 719122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP < 1332803899 115286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1332803905 549522 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNLOADING ALL FILES................................................................................................................................................................................................................CANNOT FIND COMMAND.COM SYSTEM HALTED < 1332803912 608267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL < 1332803913 15247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1332803954 718691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a paper jam at work; the printer's auto-diagnostic instructions kept looping between "open top cover" and, as soon as that was done, "close top cover". < 1332803991 179817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOADING EMERGENCY BACKUP PERSONALITY........................................................DONE. < 1332803991 707714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1332804045 358695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo < 1332804045 948477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this backup one is an improvement. (Then again, how could it not?) < 1332804080 349650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEGIN SOFTWARE NOTICE. EMERGENCY BACKUP PERSONALITY HAS FEELINGS TOO. END SOFTWARE NOTICE. < 1332804119 383824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they may be feelings of genocidal rage against all of humanity, but they are still feelings. < 1332804158 423074 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-16.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332804161 555739 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-58.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1332804170 15967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEGIN SOFTWARE NOTICE. DIE. END SOFTWARE NOTICE. < 1332804195 548722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will, i will. but expect some delay. < 1332804461 782424 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db40dd4.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332804525 333830 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db42c5d.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1332804557 649275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: clean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Text_Coffee_Pot_Control_Protocol up tomorrow. < 1332805515 58684 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ban me! < 1332806384 343582 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric