00:18:48 -!- TodPunk has joined. 00:21:02 -!- derdon_ has joined. 00:23:56 -!- derdon has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:45:14 -!- oerjan has set topic: This is SURPRISINGLY the WEIRDEST CHEESE you will ANNOTATE all RAMADAN: http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 00:55:07 -!- coppro has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 00:55:13 -!- coppro has joined. 00:59:45 -!- derdon_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:06:32 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:27:38 -!- itidus20 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:32:33 -!- PiRSquared has changed nick to int_argc. 01:38:10 -!- Jafet has joined. 02:08:17 tswett, there was a muffin if you didn't see it 02:10:59 I didn't see any muffings! 02:11:04 s/g// 02:11:13 s/g//g 02:12:24 The muffin exists if and only if tswett didn't see it 02:34:43 * tswett checks. 02:34:50 Why yes, there is a muffin. 02:34:53 And, sure enough, I didn't see it before. 02:46:11 Oh look, a second muffin. 02:48:55 tswett, why are you not in the other channel? 02:49:21 I decided to leave after... Pbhead, I think it was, threw a fit. 02:49:55 o.O 02:49:57 He said stuff like, "Well, this is my channel, and I really can't handle the stuff that goes on in it sometimes." 03:11:57 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 03:15:41 But yeah. I'd be happy to see you on Rizon again, if that's your thing at all. 03:20:08 I barely remember that network 03:23:02 -!- zzo38 has joined. 03:31:49 I think it should be permitted to suggest your own languages as long as it is not done twice in a row. I also think it should be forbidden to suggest anything if there is no article in the main namespace for it. 03:32:07 (But even if these changes are implemented, I still have no suggestions corrently.) 03:33:20 Actually I do have one more suggestion: That when the list is blanked or something is used, it is commented out with a note saying whether it is used or unused. After it is blanked a second time, all the old comments would be removed. 03:33:48 (Actually, perhaps ones which become used should be strike out instead of commented out) 03:43:57 Once in school there was an assignment to make a PCB from a certain schematic diagram, which was given to all of the students. So I did it, and it didn't work. I eventually found out, it was because the schematic diagram was wrong. 04:21:45 elliott, when you logread this, the instructions on the Worms2d wiki for Worms under WINE seem to be somewhat up-to-date. 04:21:51 http://worms2d.info/Installing_WA_on_Linux 04:24:52 I CAN HEAR THE MUSIC BUT CAN'T SEE ANYTHING 04:24:57 Maybe I should upgrade WINE 04:25:03 -!- MDude has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:25:18 -!- MDude has joined. 04:26:06 The spring equinox will occur in less than one hour from now. 04:26:36 zzo38: the pollen count says spring sprang several days ago 04:26:56 quintopia: Perhaps; but the equinox is something different. 04:28:00 so which is more useful? "spring begins in the northern hemisphere at this point in earth's orbit" or "spring begins when the plants start having sex and everyone starts sneezing" 04:29:02 quintopia: It probably depends what you are doing, what makes what to be more useful! Chinese seasons says the equinox is in the middle of spring instead of start of spring. 04:30:35 The Chinese way makes more sense 04:30:40 The equinox is the intersection of ecliptic with equator 04:30:46 Sgeo: Yes I agree with that. 04:33:31 elliott, when you see this: With newest WINE, and following instructions on that page, works for me (although before I upgraded WINE I did the registry thing and didn't undo it) 04:35:23 So, the Chinese start of spring is at 315 degrees (15 Aquarius), while the spring equinox is at 0 degrees (0 Aries) by the definition of the 0 longitude. But this is only the north hemisphere; for south hemisphere, the Chinese start of spring is 135 degrees (15 Leo), instead. But nevertheless, the equinox occurs soon 04:36:05 (And then the spring equinox for south hemisphere would be 180 degrees (0 Libra), obviously.) 04:38:10 -!- elliott has joined. 04:38:12 zzo38: what do you think the average Earth denizen cares about with respect to the question "is it spring yet?" 04:38:16 16:36:42: Hi, I'm Brendan Eich, welcome to my homepage. I'm the inventor of JavaScript. http://web.archive.org/web/19990128210124/http://people.netscape.com/brendan/ 04:38:23 For the unaware, Eich did not create that. 04:38:35 elliott: duh. it's not like we are blind to satire 04:39:08 quintopia: I don't know, but they did mention it on the news today. 04:39:44 quintopia: "i" "wow" is not the reaction of someone recognising it as a joke. 04:41:46 elliott: well, some are better at analysis than others i suppose 04:43:48 If I worked for a newspaper I would insist the horoscope section of the newspaper to include the exact dates and times as well as a disclaimer. 04:45:09 zzo38: what job would you do if you worked for a newspaper? 04:46:01 quintopia: I don't know because I don't work for a newspaper. 04:46:11 (And I also don't intend to work for a newspaper) 04:47:38 coppro: who else supported? 04:48:57 elliott, read logs? 04:49:07 Particularly, logs shortly before you entered 04:51:49 -!- tikfreenode has changed nick to Tiktalik. 04:54:21 04:33:31: elliott, when you see this: With newest WINE, and following instructions on that page, works for me (although before I upgraded WINE I did the registry thing and didn't undo it) 04:54:26 That guide is really out of date, I believe. 04:55:29 Works for me, so 04:57:36 Oh, it was updated. 04:58:21 It just tells me to do what I did. 04:58:29 What wine version? 04:58:43 1.4 is what I'm using now 04:59:08 Although I had 1.3.28 before and did the regedit instructions before trying to upgrade WINE, so 05:00:12 1.5 here. 05:01:36 Sgeo: How big is the ISO? 05:02:16 ~575.4MB 05:02:37 -!- asiekierka has joined. 05:02:56 Apparently someone has Google +1'd http://esolangs.org/wiki/Tag_system. 05:03:16 Sgeo: Okay, link me I s'pose. 05:20:51 -!- int_argc has quit (Quit: bye). 05:26:28 -!- MDude has changed nick to MatressDude. 05:31:20 I recorded my latest D&D game session. In addition, I have made some corrections and improvements to the "dungeonsrecording.tex" file too. 05:33:03 -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- 05:33:57 i flinched 05:34:13 kmc: Is there contents of the block or only heading? 05:34:13 use your powers for good not evil kmc 05:40:09 just a heading 05:41:56 we're all inside the geek code now 05:42:03 -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- 05:51:26 Finally I have done a few more things on TeXnicard today. 06:00:27 If you have anything to send to TeXnicard extra repository, you tell me I will add you. 06:12:57 "Unable to find a geek code in the text you gave me" oh no it is not a valid code :( 06:17:18 fizzie: :'( 06:17:50 Then make up a new geek code where it is a valid code. 06:20:28 Make a geek code? Now? In 2012? What a weird idea. 06:21:08 -!- calamari has joined. 06:21:57 Do you agree with me that they ought to use the exact date and times and disclaimers? 06:21:57 Make it webscale. 06:22:03 By the way, I woke up at 3:45. :( 06:23:55 Perhaps shachaf cursed me. 06:24:08 hielliott 06:24:19 Perhaps you cursed yourself! 06:24:25 By being useless. 06:25:04 elliott: I ended up sleep ~10:00-13:00. 06:25:10 Or maybe it was ~08:00- 06:25:51 I'm tired. 06:27:56 shachaf: Ban Jafet and op fizzie and become a turtle. 06:28:27 fizzie: You are now an op. Ban Jafet and turn me into a turtle. 06:28:42 WRONG ORDER 06:29:21 elliott: YOU DIDN'T SPECIFY AN ORDERING 06:29:44 Other than the one you specified, I guess. 06:29:49 But that doesn't count. 06:30:48 Jafet: Be banned. shachaf: Turtlify. (Bam, delegated.) 06:31:11 fizzie: Op me so I can ban Jafet and turn shachaf into a turtle and op you. 06:31:30 elliott: WRONG ORDER 06:31:36 I changed the order! 06:31:49 Don't worry, I only ever ban Jafet for 3 years at the longest. 06:50:01 When was Pluto declared to be not a true planet? Even before 1989 someone believed that it would happen one day. 06:50:40 Pluto didn't even exist before 1930. 06:51:13 2006 06:52:42 When they first defined "planet" in a vaguely formal sense. 06:53:04 (though, mind you, even now it's a purely arbitrary term for a subset of the orbiting bodies of a star) 06:54:48 elliott: When are you going to fix client your to autojoin channels? 06:56:35 I don't feel like joining #haskell. 06:58:11 o.O the BZFlag List Server is written in PHP 07:00:19 Is PHP Turing-complete? 07:03:07 PHP: "Pretty Hopeless Privacy"? (By way of analogy with PGP.) 07:03:43 No, because PHP is defined purely by the php program, which is written in C, which is not TC. 07:04:39 -!- azaq23 has joined. 07:04:48 -!- azaq23 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 07:05:56 -!- azaq23 has joined. 07:09:50 Oh, you don't accept the usual "there is no standard-imposed upper limit for the size of a file" argument? 07:10:44 "Usual". 07:10:50 Has that argument ever been made outside of this channel? 07:11:02 Maybe? 07:11:23 I think the topic was discussed on some other channel I'm in. 07:11:50 fizzie: off_t screws that up. 07:11:52 :) 07:12:01 fizzie: But there isn't! 07:12:09 The implementation can return any error from ftell() 07:12:30 Some implementations return EOVERFLOW when the position doesn't fit in 64 bits. 07:13:03 However, I doubt php is written in a way that uses files in order to achieve Turing-completeness. 07:13:09 shachaf: No, but EOVERFLOW can be returned. 07:13:17 Hmm. 07:13:30 Okay, so it is possible for the Deathstation 9000 to be Turing complete. 07:13:32 shachaf: Are you sure? 07:13:37 I am pretty sure PHP exposes a file API. 07:13:38 elliott: Sure about what? 07:13:45 elliott: PHP probably fucks it up. 07:13:45 Oh. 07:13:52 It has a fseek that probably maps very directly to libc fseek. 07:14:04 fizzie: It's PHP. 07:14:12 It probably maps to a Javascript VM. 07:14:23 Also "off_t" is not a standard C term. (ftell returns a long int, and fgetpos a fpos_t.) 07:14:54 It is, however, a POSIX term. 07:15:17 I have a suspicion POSIX thwarts the file method in some manner. 07:15:29 Maybe C is not Turing-complete but POSIX is. 07:15:31 It has a rather more gigantic set of requirements, after all. 07:15:34 "On some non-UNIX systems an fpos_t object may be a complex object" 07:15:40 Such as a reference to a file! 07:16:02 elliott: Not really; it doesn't detail too many file system requirements... 07:16:45 Oh, POSIX specifies EOVERFLOW. 07:16:51 Anyway, this is about C, not POSIX. 07:17:11 Non-POSIX C is either a tarpit or Windows. :) 07:19:54 "either" 07:20:34 Anyways. Yeah, ftell can EOVERFLOW, implying that there is no defined bound for file sizes. 07:21:14 So, you can trivially map a tape onto a file and it'll just work on an implementation without bound files. 07:21:46 Well, "trivially". Mapping > to fseek is probably pretty annoying. :) 07:22:20 Not to mention any cell modification doing ungetc. 07:22:40 Why is that annoying? 07:22:48 And why do you need ungetc? 07:23:03 Either that or another fseek.. 07:23:17 Reading from the FILE* moves where you're reading from. 07:23:41 Oh, well, sure. Just do another seek. 07:24:17 What's the behavior of read(1); ungetc(); seek(+1); etc., anyway? 07:24:34 Seek discards all ungetc'd characters from the stream. 07:24:44 read(1)? Undefined. fread(1)? Beats me, actually. 07:24:55 fizzie: Is that spec, or common implementations? 07:24:59 Spec. 07:25:02 I meant fread 07:25:04 "A 07:25:04 successful intervening call (with the stream pointed to by stream) to a file positioning function (fseek, fsetpos, or rewind) discards any pushed-back characters for the 07:25:07 stream. The external storage corresponding to the stream is unchanged. 07:25:24 A fread(1) would rather obviously return the pushed-back character. 07:25:26 Okay. So, you don't want to ungetc. 07:25:29 So, yes. Just seek. 07:26:31 If you have a read-write stream, successive reads are guaranteed to include previous writes, right? 07:26:56 Stream. 07:26:57 I mean file. 07:26:59 Handle. 07:27:14 You mean write("x"); fseek(-1); fread(1)? 07:27:34 No, *you* mean fwrite. 07:27:41 Curses. 07:27:45 Yes, apart from the fwrite thing. 07:27:50 I remembered to put the 'f' in front of the other two! 07:27:59 elliott: Presumably other processes can have the file open? 07:28:12 Actually, I don't really know how read-write file handles work at all. 07:28:22 But my point is that it sounds like it should be fairly easy to implement a BF tape with this. 07:28:29 It does. 07:29:42 POSIX has a very funnily stated bit related to writes and reads in different processes. 07:29:50 "Writes can be serialized with respect to other reads and writes. If a read() of file data can be proven (by any means) to occur after a write() of the data, it must reflect that write(), even if the calls are made by different processes." 07:30:07 I think I quoted this earlier, since the "proven (by any means)" sounds funny. 07:30:30 Proven beyond reasonable doubt by a polygraph test. 07:30:42 fizzie: I wonder if you can encode $unsolved_problem with a special arrangement of processes. 07:31:02 pthread says what? ;) 07:31:24 elliott: :D 07:31:39 elliot :: D 07:32:00 :eliott D: 07:32:21 elliott "el D" elliott. 07:33:38 ASSIST THE EXPLODING HOUSE 07:34:20 elliot "eliot" eliott 07:56:04 Wait, when did I say that previous line? 07:56:10 I honestly don't remember typing it. 07:58:39 "Wait, when did I say that previous line? I honestly don't remember typing it." -- elliot "eliot" eliott 08:05:20 -!- ais523 has joined. 08:05:59 hi ais523 08:06:11 hi elliott 08:06:27 `welcome ais523 08:06:36 ais523: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 08:08:30 `unwelcome ais523 08:08:34 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unwelcome: not found 08:09:06 "your not welcome in here, ais523" -- elliott "hi" elliott 08:09:46 ais523: Ban me from this channel! 08:20:10 -!- calamari has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:27:46 let's buildings 08:32:14 try buildings origami free trial 08:53:40 -!- simpleirc has joined. 08:53:48 `welcome SimonRC 08:53:49 argh 08:53:51 `welcome simpleirc 08:53:52 SimonRC: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 08:53:55 simpleirc: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 08:55:31 shachaf: ais523: fizzie: pikhq_: ping 08:55:34 does esolangs.org load for you? 08:56:12 -!- simpleirc has left. 08:56:21 checking 08:56:25 no 08:56:28 i can ssh in but not http 08:56:30 wtf 08:56:35 ok wait 08:56:36 http://li278-81.members.linode.com/ works 08:56:49 ah, it has loaded 08:56:51 but pretty slowly 08:56:57 [elliott@dinky tmp]$ ping solidity 08:56:57 PING solidity (178.79.159.81) 56(84) bytes of data. 08:56:58 [elliott@dinky tmp]$ ping esolangs.org 08:56:58 ping: unknown host esolangs.org 08:57:00 what the fuck? 08:57:03 and it's working now 08:57:08 not here 08:57:25 looks like it was some sort of DNS glitch 08:57:27 * elliott digs it to see where it's resolving 08:57:33 [elliott@dinky tmp]$ dig @ns1.afraid.org esolangs.org 08:57:33 ;; Truncated, retrying in TCP mode. 08:57:33 ;; Connection to 2607:f0d0:1102:d5::2#53(2607:f0d0:1102:d5::2) for esolangs.org failed: network unreachable. 08:57:36 I guess an afraid.org outage 08:57:44 try a couple of other servers 08:57:49 DNS servers, that is 08:57:54 dig @8.8.8.8, dig @4.2.2.1 08:58:09 esolangs.org is down 08:58:20 Due to incompetent management. 08:58:43 8.8.8.8 (Google), gave me the right answer straight away, 4.2.2.1 (Level3) took a while then returned no IP 08:58:57 Wait, esolangs.org is back up. 08:59:08 Once in a while even incompetent management gets it right. 08:59:18 ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 7188 08:59:47 Alternative hostname: solidity.slbkbs.org 08:59:54 ah, back up here 09:00:10 shachaf: That won't send the right Host header. 09:00:19 elliott: It will if you tell it to! 09:00:39 elliott: Anyway, if it sent the same Host header, it would hardly be an alternative Host name, would it?! 09:01:03 See, if I owned esolangs.org... 09:01:09 ...then it wouldn't have just stopped loading again. 09:01:19 LFM 09:01:33 "LFM" doesn't stand for "Loads For Me", by the way. 09:01:38 Even though it does. 09:01:44 Now it loads. 09:02:47 NIL (now it loads) 09:03:42 NIL (end of the list) 09:06:17 * elliott wonders what "slbkbs" means. 09:06:59 It stands for slbkbs "slbkbs" slbkbs 09:07:10 presumably, C++ has the same limitations as C when it comes to being TC... a bit funny since templates are obviously turing-complete 09:08:36 C++ has rather stricter rules on pointers than C does 09:08:45 I'm not offhand sure whether it lets you cast anything into a void* or not 09:09:12 esolangs.org is the worst thing about esolangs.org 09:09:27 The management is the worst thing about esolangs.org 09:10:42 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 09:12:28 C doesn't let you cast "anything" either, so there. 09:13:15 cpp needs to support <> for macro expansion. 09:13:24 #define foo bar 09:13:31 Admittedly C++ adds new classes of non-void*-able things. 09:13:32 shachaf: Why? 09:13:52 zzo38: Because it would make it worse. 09:14:08 shachaf: I think you could call those "pretendplates". 09:14:09 combining macros and templates can get horrible... macro(foo) is two macro arguments, for instance 09:14:32 olsner: CPP macros and templates are already horrible by themselves. You need a new word for the synthesis of the two. 09:14:49 variadic macros can work part-way around that though 09:15:03 elliott: The new word would be "awesome". (Two wrongs make a right.) 09:15:15 the kind of workaround where you end up inside the wall instead of on the other side of the problem 09:15:45 I don't like the <> syntax for C++ templates 09:15:54 `addquote combining macros and templates can get horrible... macro(foo) is two macro arguments, for instance variadic macros can work part-way around that though the kind of workaround where you end up inside the wall instead of on the other side of the problem 09:15:57 825) combining macros and templates can get horrible... macro(foo) is two macro arguments, for instance variadic macros can work part-way around that though the kind of workaround where you end up inside the wall instead of on the other side of the problem 09:16:03 elliott: Hey, don't be dissin' templates! 09:16:21 shachaf: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#C.2B.2B_templates 09:16:27 I have earned the right to diss templates for my work. 09:16:58 maybe you could do... #define foo(...) foo<__VA_ARGS__> for every template 09:17:02 I do not consider CPP macros to be horrible; I don't know much about C++ templates but I don't think those are very horrible either but I do think that the < > as delimiters for C++ templates is not the good idea 09:17:33 elliott: If you do that, you have to treat Haskell's type sysem the same way. 09:17:41 olsner: or just #define template(name, ...) name(__VA_ARGS__) 09:17:42 zzo38: What is the good idea? 09:17:51 shachaf: No, the right, not the obligation. 09:17:53 olsner: er 09:18:00 olsner: or just #define template(name, ...) name##<__VA_ARGS__> 09:18:01 or something 09:18:11 elliott: yeah, something 09:18:32 shachaf: I think the good idea would be to use () delimiters like the other delimiters in C do (since < > are used for operators instead) 09:18:43 probably you'd want to do both, so that you have a shorter shorthand for most templates 09:21:37 What I read as "A Nude Entrepreneurship Course" in the INBOX turned out to be the far less interesting "A Nudge to Entrepreneurship -course". 09:21:49 zzo38: calling a function template and constructing a template class needs both a template parameter list and a parameter list ... templatefunc(1,2,3) and templatestruct(1,2,3) 09:23:34 olsner: I think both parameter lists should be using () instead of having <> and () 09:25:55 If you have a ephemeris function that you input the date/time and the object number, and the output is three set of XYZ coordinates, for the center, north pole, and zero longitude reference. Does this seem sufficient to do all the other calculation from that? 09:28:02 ais523: holy crap, the categories list at the bottom of MediaWiki pages is in source order 09:28:09 ais523: I assumed it'd sort them... 09:28:24 it's more flexible this way, you can order them by hand 09:28:37 presumably there's an AWB plugin for sorting them, and a huge row about whether people should use it or not 09:28:41 ais523: how is that flexibility useful? 09:28:49 -!- Tiktalik has changed nick to Sleeptalik. 09:28:50 you are missing the point of MediaWiki! 09:29:02 heh 09:29:16 I think it's used to put [[Category:Living people]] first, though 09:29:47 ais523: IMO, that should be done by allowing you to establish relations between _categories_ 09:29:55 but i guess this is simpler, code-wise, for that use-case 09:30:08 -!- ion has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 09:30:12 I'll just write a bot to reorder categories how I like them at the same time I write a bot to check for dead links 09:30:26 did you know that not only can you, in an article, choose where the category goes in the list of categories on the article, but also where the article goes in the list of articles on the category? 09:30:42 yes, [[Category:foo | bar]] 09:30:48 but that makes sense, more or less 09:31:00 albeit, I might argue that only DEFAULTSORT should exist, not the per-category section 09:31:05 but it's useful for "X in Y" in [[Category:X]] 09:32:04 I think they also have hidden categories, at least in Wikipedia, which are not shown by default but there is a user preference to make it to display them, but in a separate row 09:32:06 instance Category foo 09:32:59 zzo38: indeed 09:33:21 -!- ion has joined. 09:33:44 ais523: speaking of bots, how hellish is pywikipediabot? 09:33:55 I don't really feel like writing my own library 09:34:22 not as bad as rolling your own library, although last I looked it used scraping rather than the API 09:34:26 perhaps it's been fixed to use the API since 09:35:03 wow, I'm not using it if it uses scraping 09:36:51 ok i might if i'm really lazy 09:37:41 ais523: err, apparently [[Category:Living people]] exists only for BLP monitoring 09:37:52 and therefore has no subcategories, making it completely useless for readers 09:37:54 elliott: indeed, that's its purpose 09:37:58 that seems like a terrible category to list first... 09:38:06 but it's so important when editing something 09:38:10 by policy 09:38:13 *sigh, wikipedia* 09:38:30 Wikipedia isn't really aimed at readers, because they don't make the decisions… 09:39:04 Wikipedia isn't really aimed at the editors either, just the very small subset of editors who would like to control who Wikipedia is aimed at 09:40:20 yes! 10:02:27 JPL HORIZONS seems broken; it doesn't do anything after a command is entered. 10:07:23 i think you don't always need the type parameter on a template function call 10:07:30 if the type can be inferred from argument types 10:07:36 but the inference is rather weak... 10:09:21 -!- Vorpal has joined. 10:12:06 -!- ais523_ has joined. 10:23:07 -!- ais523_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 10:44:11 -!- ais523_ has joined. 10:44:37 !glogbot_ignore so am I online now? 10:44:39 so am I online now? 10:44:43 yay 10:44:52 (!glogbot_ignore: good ping, or the best ping?) 10:46:52 ais523_: no 10:46:55 you're not online 10:47:28 ais523_: Now, er, how much do you know about table styling? 10:48:30 not a huge amount 10:49:28 :( 10:51:21 14:17:54: The text "More featured languages..." doesn't exactly scream "if you click through here a couple of times, you can suggest a language" 10:51:26 RocketJSquirrel: BTW, I don't consider this a problem. 10:51:38 The kind of person who wants to go from the main page directly to suggesting a language probably shouldn't. 10:55:06 ais523_: by the way, I thought of an obvious criterion for the spam user deletion script I missed 10:55:17 go on 10:55:41 ais523_: "has an entry in the block log matching %spam%" (note: this is different from "is currently blocked with that entry") 10:55:47 because we wiped the blocks 10:55:57 ah, of course 10:56:08 what about "has a 24-year block"? 10:56:21 for when the reason was typoed or not given? 10:56:38 although you'll need to check fake-lament on that 10:57:10 * ais523_ thinks it's vaguely weird to be on a wiki that's had exactly one vandal 10:57:25 http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&limit=500&type=block&month=&year= 10:57:32 it seems practically all spam-user entries have "spam" in them 10:57:38 even the ones that are sentences talking about other spambots 10:58:00 some of them have "vandal" even though we'd call them spammers nowadays 10:58:06 no "spma" or "spa," or whatever? 10:58:09 (because they didn't actually link anywhere or promote anything) 10:58:24 ais523_: oh, probably (although not "spma", at least), but we can delete users manually after-the-fact 10:58:36 I just want to pick off a few thousand automatically to make it less of a drudge 11:00:09 ais523_: haha, wow: (show/hide) 06:13, 28 September 2005 Graue (Talk | contribs | block) blocked 69.50.165.186 (Talk) with an expiry time of 24 years ‎ (probably a spammer testing to see if shit gets deleted here) (unblock | change block) 11:00:22 ais523_: they were blocked for creating [[Esolang:Sandbox]] with "Hello" 11:00:32 a martyr for the ages 11:00:39 edit summary "just testing" 11:00:52 since when do spambots figure out the project namespace and create a sandbox in it? 11:01:16 (that's the first block ever) 11:02:54 ais523_: also, I'm wondering if lament-impersonator isn't actually lament themselves 11:03:08 (show/hide) 00:27, 20 August 2007 (diff | hist) Esolang:Sandbox ‎ (Replacing page with 'cocks') 11:03:09 they remind me of lament of recent years. 11:03:37 oh, lament reverted them, so I guess not 11:04:23 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.118.79.88 this person, presumably 11:04:30 ais523_: it seems it happened when IRP was on reddit 11:04:42 so the one vandal we got was when we were in the spotlight; makes sense 11:14:41 ais523_: wow, the query is really good now 11:14:50 3058 matches, without the risky duplicate-email query 11:15:08 -!- pikhq has joined. 11:15:17 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 11:15:41 ais523_: (actually, I'm more surprised there were 3043 matches before adding the log entry criterion) 11:15:47 I don't remember it being that effective 11:16:14 that would leave 1449 users to be manually checked 11:16:16 elliott: apparently F***** 11:16:18 I get the feeling ais523_ isn't here 11:16:24 coppro: what 11:17:31 elliott: supported 11:18:48 coppro: ??? 11:20:16 coppro: what are you on about 11:20:22 elliott: you asked who else supported 11:20:41 oh 11:20:48 -!- derdon has joined. 11:21:05 coppro: who the heck is Fasterisks 11:21:08 do you mean FKA? 11:22:08