< 1331597465 348671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1331597741 363251 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331599144 343986 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331599245 784860 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: That is half the point, isn't it? < 1331599409 929166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1331599427 445216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: well it's for TASes sure but why would you do that < 1331599777 772608 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I thought the whole point was for TAS, so rewind. I'm just validating that that ability also gives it save-states. < 1331599781 151980 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How about ... for save states. < 1331599818 932674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Well, it's slow, you know. < 1331599824 91412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of game? < 1331599838 207844 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't have anything in mind, it was a general question. < 1331599844 447822 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never ran it, so I have no idea how slow it is X-D < 1331599874 437988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me neither, really. < 1331599881 308262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: But come on, it rips out the scheduler. < 1331599883 784361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does it in userspace. < 1331599885 364786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deterministically. < 1331599895 406945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With ptrace. < 1331599982 574465 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sooo ... < 1331599986 684250 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fast as a flying squirrel? < 1331600006 506898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331600035 964979 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION zooooom!
< 1331600104 997791 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331600651 766358 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331600920 212400 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331602339 220952 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1331603464 954226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9677012/suppress-runtime-error-irrefutable-pattern-failed-for-pattern-data-maybe-just-b < 1331604037 926525 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tswett monqy update! (If you didn't see it already, it was about an hour or so ago < 1331604203 450050 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finishes having seen it.
< 1331604240 81186 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means you saw it, but then stopped having seen it, so now you haven't seen it? < 1331604285 188649 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now understands why Racket's keyword arguments are the way they are
< 1331604952 591393 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331604987 947284 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, in #lisp , it's not worth doing interesting things, just useful things. < 1331605014 655743 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1331605048 485802 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm misrepresenting what was said :/ < 1331605071 204856 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did, after I suggested what I was doing could be potentially useful < 1331605100 882714 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I kind of did < 1331605102 642343 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1331605112 199874 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331605848 474429 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 NICK :MSleep < 1331605994 802527 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'You're welcome; please learn how to spell "thank you".' < 1331606073 661768 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after I said ty < 1331606075 103497 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1331606109 203057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo i fear you're under the impression we will die if we don't hear every detail of your continuing #lisp experience < 1331606130 762791 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331606206 454335 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331606309 806903 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's true < 1331606322 295669 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need sgeo's #lisp experience to survive < 1331606423 899465 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331607134 792326 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-234-226.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331607138 425668 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-147-196.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331607458 507378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1331607458 747537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1331607553 495056 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@raping < 1331607553 771398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1331607571 659191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331608003 148647 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331608792 577387 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331608914 27502 :elly!~elly@atheme/member/elly JOIN :#esoteric < 1331608968 368820 :elly!~elly@atheme/member/elly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi :) kmc told me I should join here - I have a FALSE compiler targeting x86-64 asm: http://www.leptoquark.net/~elly/false.c < 1331609089 761837 :elly!~elly@atheme/member/elly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code is not very pretty :P < 1331609180 434414 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome elly < 1331609183 767681 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elly: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331610210 44716 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331610226 770861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331610298 335691 :ckennelly!~ckennelly@beryllium.caltech.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1331610366 616255 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-83.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331610412 409722 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-42.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331611850 793323 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331612073 322096 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/- < 1331612073 520176 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | < 1331612073 683350 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/| < 1331612357 453332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1331612357 744283 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1331612357 995020 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  >\ < 1331612366 478621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ckennelly < 1331612369 118047 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ckennelly: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331612480 776575 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, NOCAPS? < 1331612719 179217 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331612921 791320 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331614288 106638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vanityfair.com/ontheweb/features/2007/02/autumn200702 "I see people in black hoods and robes sitting round a table, bound by blood oath never to divulge the latitude and longitude of Autumn." < 1331614939 945385 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :poetry to my soul < 1331614968 450783 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the autumn, the season? < 1331615005 387314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ending of that article cheated me. :( < 1331615067 629042 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell you the latitude and longitude of the autumn equinox. < 1331615129 787634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1331615259 369471 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its declination is zero, and its Greenwich hour angle changes all the time. < 1331615286 747996 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is no longer an admin at the Nethack Wiki
< 1331615287 276672 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its ecliptic latitude is also zero, and its ecliptic longitude is 180 degrees (= 0 Libra). < 1331615306 920954 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331615323 345288 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think its right ascension would also be 180 degrees (= 12 hours). < 1331615357 905615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You were ever? < 1331615378 291756 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 2005 or so. It did carry over to the new site, if that's what you're asking. < 1331615394 965195 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we know the latitude and longitude of the autumn equinox. < 1331615398 249279 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently, if I want it back, I can just ask, and will get it, no questions asked. < 1331615420 234282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, you founded it, right. < 1331615423 593283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sgeo What an impressive record. < 1331615581 899899 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Hi. < 1331615628 502747 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331615633 821835 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1331615641 509951 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi shadwick < 1331615693 751895 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome zzo38 < 1331615695 956581 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgep? < 1331615696 714987 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331615709 578734 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331615712 657789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw you might want to get that implementation you wrote onto the file archive < 1331615721 618870 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What? < 1331615743 541851 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean autumn equinox in north hemisphere; in south hemisphere the coordinates I give are for spring equinox) < 1331615748 338359 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, I used to be Sgep on Freenode because I forgot the password for Sgeo. < 1331615753 366706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1331615755 812396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: < 1331615757 395450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being sh < 1331615759 158294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sha < 1331615767 513147 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: Stop being sha < 1331615789 83092 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:16 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Information on shadwick (account shadwick): < 1331615791 994297 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:16 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered : Apr 29 23:37:31 2009 (2 years, 45 weeks, 3 days, 05:38:45 ago) < 1331615794 968330 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:16 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Information on Shachaf (account Shachaf): < 1331615795 130174 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: stop being < 1331615797 468132 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:16 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered : Jul 03 22:30:48 2004 (7 years, 36 weeks, 2 days, 06:45:31 ago) < 1331615801 414521 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy:( < 1331615808 655929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2004. You were like 3 then, right? < 1331615815 668120 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure was < 1331615841 383662 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I moved to the US in -- 2002? < 1331615858 242968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure you're younger than 21? < 1331615871 811161 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh ok. I've gotta fix it up a bit anyways < 1331615879 601646 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're talking about the Optimism thing right? < 1331615880 657595 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fighting... snob... instinct. < 1331615889 299872 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Unless I've been lied to about my age. :-( < 1331615906 303908 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: he's talking about tab-completion. you and shachaf share the first three letters in your names < 1331615927 772474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: yeah < 1331615945 131391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Saying that was just as bad as not fighting it, so you might as well just go ahead. < 1331615952 101628 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least if I was elliott I'd be talking about tab-completion because wow sharing three letters is a lot < 1331615973 16137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's too much < 1331615976 925671 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm working on a compiler/interpreter for another language right now. I'll fix up the last bit of the Optimism code before I ask about the archive thingy < 1331615980 48643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatedly < 1331615980 928530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elly: GET OUT < 1331616001 132408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, who is even elly? < 1331616005 932168 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elly: I'm pretty sure you've been around for longer than elliott. < 1331616012 850694 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know, elly! < 1331616015 205035 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone knows elly. < 1331616020 567594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know elly. < 1331616021 28373 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to ehird, man < 1331616025 32526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird died. < 1331616031 381581 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was tusho < 1331616033 202352 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :long live ehird < 1331616038 367353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dead body. < 1331616052 723504 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1331616064 735834 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm referring to a less than stellar writer on the old NH wiki < 1331616141 467736 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BUT IO IS PURE LOGIC SAYS SO < 1331616293 748098 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've come to a realization. < 1331616300 501857 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every thing is either the devil or the future. < 1331616311 916376 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the devilfuture? < 1331616322 591789 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The devilfuture is the devil. < 1331616582 428345 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-209-244.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331616684 323157 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-83.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331617364 961808 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got in touch with evincar about Alchemy < 1331617380 232100 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said he was never expecting an email about it haha < 1331617560 315044 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar? < 1331617564 593437 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alchemy? < 1331617565 772331 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1331617578 363987 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a random lang I found in the unimplemented category yesterday < 1331617579 621427 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 2008 < 1331617591 823494 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to make an interpreter for it so I contacted him to ask a few dtails < 1331617622 455073 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's coming along well so far; got the source->bytecode compiler working and program state and execution functionality down < 1331617628 768179 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :∀chemy! < 1331617638 867476 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha nice name < 1331617696 268459 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What programming language are you using to write compilers/interpreters? < 1331617709 92741 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C < 1331617716 919688 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norwegian. < 1331617739 151526 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :far as I know, it will pass valgrind with flying colours < 1331617740 259925 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ < 1331617743 752826 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't confirmed that yet < 1331617798 138471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@@@ < 1331617828 115687 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used different programming languages to implement different esolangs, sometimes multiple implementations in different programming languages, some of them possibly other esolangs too. < 1331617833 626799 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more @ you add, the perfecter it gets < 1331617936 625461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@^@ < 1331618400 565545 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have implemented FlogScript in PHP, BytePusher in CWEB, Constantinople in Haskell, Deadfish in dc and Forth and TeX and TeXnicard, Underload in TeX and FlogScript, and Unlambda in PHP. < 1331618463 854235 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have also invented and implemented FurryScript, which may be called a quasi-esolang by some.) < 1331618470 503172 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, and I have implemented Pure BF in Haskell, too. < 1331618482 757553 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :furry...script? < 1331618505 986897 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Zzo38/FurryScript Tell me if you misunderstand anything about it. < 1331618543 39834 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, i was envisaging something more like a cross between 'yiff' and lolcode < 1331618549 575805 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but .. i couldn't think of anything except 'yiff' < 1331618653 336160 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Well, someone once thought it was something like that and responded to my message about FurryScript with a code that looked like a somewhat badly written JavaScript code involving 'yiff' and a few other things. But actually, FurryScript is not JavaScript nor is it 'yiff'. < 1331618694 20773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dispensin' the facts < 1331618733 271998 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed! < 1331618740 475292 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be more interesting if it was though < 1331618741 94894 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1331618761 863495 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :little(?) known fact is that 'yiff' comes from a whole language of dog sounds haha < 1331618779 975926 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 'whole language' i'm talking like a dozen words of course < 1331618792 734084 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yiff is the only one anyone knows < 1331619205 767919 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you can write programs in FurryScript involving that stuff or any other stuff if you want, but they are not part of the programming language. Do you think this is good and understandable document to you? < 1331619229 597332 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, i was only curious if it was any relation :P < 1331619235 257457 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see < 1331619561 257708 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a good and understandable document :) < 1331619598 335152 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you write any programs using it? So far I am the only one who has written anything with it (although data comes from various sources and is not entirely my own). < 1331619677 752290 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the document would certainly benefit from some code examples both to demonstrate syntax and purpose :P < 1331619682 341004 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :define writing a program < 1331619747 437368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1331619752 982866 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also some vagaries that could be explained better < 1331619792 671550 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi < 1331619836 524252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: tell me to go to bed in the next few minutes, thanks < 1331619844 525293 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to bed < 1331619860 169367 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: OK then do tell me what needs to be explain better < 1331619866 190461 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to fix it < 1331619906 120851 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain what you mean by 'continuation', what purpose a parameter serves (and where it goes when you take it from the stack), and your syntax with the parenthesis ( foo -- bar ) < 1331619915 574162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no not now < 1331619917 373476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not noooooooow < 1331619926 365082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: I would assume the standard meaning of continuation unless stated otherwise < 1331619930 162935 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now? < 1331619933 417585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :( foo -- bar ) is presumably the standard Forth stack notation < 1331619937 270730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no not noooooooow < 1331619941 378742 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now. < 1331619943 943585 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, but i'm a noob < 1331619962 135534 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you have a timer < 1331619967 973027 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if you are defining something for a person to read, you don't want to draw references in from a bunch of other languages ;) < 1331619985 954886 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also uncertain if one command per line or what < 1331619993 266832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well continuations are a pretty common concept :P < 1331620002 774881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stack notation is unintuitive to a newcomer to stack languages though yeah < 1331620013 340299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation may enlighten you or confuse you tenfold < 1331620015 869966 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just taking it for what it is < 1331620025 774249 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a document ;) < 1331620035 175232 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: The ( foo -- bar ) is the Forth-like stack notation; elliott is correct about that. (It is sometimes used in other programming language with stack too.) But the continuations are not exactly like other programming language continuations though; there are a few differences. I don't know the best way to describe but source-codes is available. < 1331620053 239421 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess this is foot-in-mouth moment, i didn't even recognize these as standard notations :P < 1331620062 603731 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :truth is i'm not even in the right channel ;D < 1331620068 989680 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Examples might also help. Here are codes for examples: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/furry/scripts/ < 1331620093 627602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well continuations are mostly something you might stumble upon in functional programming circles liek scheme and haskell, although POSIX used to have them (technically) < 1331620104 427570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interwiki link to wikipedia for the term is probably appropriate < 1331620120 139346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: the ( foo -- bar ) thing is just ( stack before -- stack afterwards ) < 1331620124 253497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. ( m n -- m+n ) < 1331620131 469287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :swap would be ( a b -- b a ) < 1331620132 173037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1331620178 439189 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kinda what i gathered from context < 1331620203 671819 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wasn't sure "where" the components were < 1331620204 383647 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1331620213 715663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :top of the stack comes last < 1331620226 524933 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean "on the stack" or "somewhere else" < 1331620232 82319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331620232 246621 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not so savvy as that < 1331620232 749665 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1331620233 288596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack < 1331620261 582504 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really i just came here because of bf joust a long time ago and stay because interesting stuff at times < 1331620350 984313 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result of a subroutine can be one of three things: OK, bad, or very bad. < 1331620379 967861 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HORrible ;D < 1331620402 86058 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is why the command for very bad is called HOR. < 1331620412 6455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: er you were here way before bf joust i think < 1331620423 582325 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha nope! < 1331620433 352081 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, bf joust has had a couple recurrences < 1331620445 826044 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was impomatic in #corewars talkin about it that got me to come play < 1331620464 287505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you're right < 1331620465 211637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1331620468 917773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(logs know all) < 1331620475 327305 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331620488 932944 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331620489 892202 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet \o/ talks more than i do :) < 1331620490 86061 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69       | < 1331620490 248159 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      /< < 1331620517 402835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1331620517 564738 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1331620518 20163 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   | < 1331620518 314257 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /´\ /<  /<      |     /<   |\  |\     |      >\ /<  /'\ < 1331620518 476071 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                /`\                   /¯|_) < 1331620518 476238 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              (_| |_)               (_| < 1331620521 639158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: oh speaking of which i had a bug report < 1331620526 708325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1331620526 869993 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 3\4o5|6 7|8o9|2 3|4o5/6 7 8\9m2/3 4\5m6/7 8 9|2o3/4 5\6o7/8 9\2o3|4 5 6\7m8/9 2\3m4/5 6 7\8o9|2 3|4o5|6 7|8o9/ < 1331620531 161976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make this work please < 1331620532 425741 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1331620534 516491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and copy the colours for each column < 1331620534 920805 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1331620537 161236 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331620538 444544 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :harder < 1331620538 606300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1331620543 506923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1331620548 293012 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1331620551 867363 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might have a script that applies here < 1331620553 395505 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :check this out < 1331620561 755444 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do /me something myndzi but put color codes all up in my nick < 1331620571 189104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1331620572 771826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1331620574 181845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1331620576 721296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not dop < 1331620579 470460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boop 9myndzi
< 1331620579 761116 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331620580 12614 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boop 9elliott
< 1331620589 332945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already knew about that < 1331620597 349359 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 06e15l07l05i13o04t07t < 1331620599 735542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do the colour codes do something special < 1331620608 341082 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er 06m09y12n13d02z10i < 1331620613 602667 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will scale the codes to match < 1331620614 98135 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1331620618 241137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, great < 1331620620 886916 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boop 4myndzi
< 1331620621 403481 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boop 4shachaf
< 1331620623 706961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boop myndzi
< 1331620624 212310 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boop elliott
< 1331620627 217943 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331620629 152822 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331620629 482421 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331620631 679800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boop myndz89123i
< 1331620632 192758 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boop elliot89123t
< 1331620646 300945 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that script applies here though < 1331620657 277314 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 2m3y4n5d6z7i 2m3y4n5d6z7i
< 1331620657 822128 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 2s3h4ac5h6a7f 2s3h4ac5h6a7f
< 1331620664 539851 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: :-( < 1331620671 97244 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1331620680 710208 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicks different lengths man, what do you want ;p < 1331620693 944984 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that looks cool on my theme < 1331620696 303211 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect gradient < 1331620701 368003 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now < 1331620710 163524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: in 5 minutes!!!!!!!!! < 1331620712 984724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not even 7 am yet < 1331620715 973149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow myndzi < 1331620716 135244 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2m3y4n5d6z7i < 1331620717 916930 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION monqy 2m3y4n5d6z7i
< 1331620718 594132 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION monqy 2s3h4ac5h6a7f
< 1331620718 755914 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331620722 418127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION myndzi
< 1331620722 940663 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION elliott
< 1331620723 693646 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: :-( < 1331620725 103402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1331620741 687113 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/my ndzi myndzi < 1331620755 929308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ndzi
< 1331620759 803776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mendzi < 1331620764 983538 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, i wonder if this will work < 1331620773 559932 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1331620773 721606 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2\3o4|5 6|7o8|9 2|3o4/5 6\7m8/9 2\3m4/5 6|7o8/9 2\3o4/5 6\7o8|9 2\3m4/5 6\7m8/9 2\3o4|5 6|7o8|9 2|3o4/ < 1331620773 883733 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          |   |   |   `\o/´69   |   |   |   `\o/´69   |   |   | < 1331620773 883910 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          >\  |\ /|     |     >\ /|   |\    |     |\ /´\ /| < 1331620773 884022 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                       /\               (_|¯`¯|_) < 1331620773 884129 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                     (_| |_)                  < 1331620774 45654 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |   |   |   `\o/´69   |   |   |   `\o/´69   |   |   | < 1331620774 654581 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 >\ /|  /´\    |    /´\  >\ /|     |    /|  /^\ /´\ < 1331620774 816212 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              /`\              (_|¯´\ < 1331620775 695975 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            (_| |_)                 |_) < 1331620776 907512 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331620808 431585 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why it didn't trigger on yours < 1331620838 55033 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to do the colors sometime when i'm not four beers in, it probably requires a complete rewrite of things < 1331620846 99263 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bolds complicate matters too, but hopefully i don't have to support that :) < 1331620885 239068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: can i make it more complicated < 1331620890 669884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just copying the colours for each column is wrong < 1331620900 260998 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want it to follow the lines < 1331620903 529754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a head is one colour, that entire person (and only that person) should be that colour < 1331620914 143653 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually makes it easier < 1331620917 99982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's multiple colours, it should use the same stretching you use for nicks to fill the whole body on every line ;) < 1331620923 171470 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-147-196.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331620931 947405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it easier? i don't want to see your code then < 1331620937 117229 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331620941 561236 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when you said "body same color as head" < 1331620945 254704 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that = one color for everything < 1331620954 140273 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all the little dudes \o/ < 1331620954 302053 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                          | < 1331620954 463739 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                         /< < 1331620960 97843 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fall into three columns by your description anyway < 1331620968 922955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_| |_) ain't three columns < 1331620969 232618 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the stretching would be the same as per-column < 1331620974 966971 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ little dudes < 1331620977 377871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331620993 7479 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even that guy is about the same < 1331620998 318576 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :max +1 and/or -1 < 1331621008 500957 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stretching that to two wouldn't be much of a ... stretch < 1331621010 852460 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1331621049 307171 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-151-222.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331621052 495032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331621053 22196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331621053 200269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331621055 667594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331621056 194427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331621062 681764 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: has it been 5 minutes < 1331621066 410584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yeah ok < 1331621075 930417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: i thought it'd be harder to do it per-guy because they can overlap in columns < 1331621078 459908 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue JOIN :#esoteric < 1331621078 924305 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing which only I have written files for so far is the Internet Quiz Engine. (And unlike FurryScript, Internet Quiz Engine supports user uploads.) < 1331621086 263432 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they actually can't < 1331621090 927165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome rvchangue < 1331621095 47959 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rvchangue: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331621095 853237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: meh, blame my proportional font then < 1331621103 479506 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't render the rocker dude if he's within one character of other stuff < 1331621114 236284 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, why would you even care with a proportional font lol ;) < 1331621188 736906 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to see the code anyway though < 1331621197 547379 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like any code that starts simple and expands to do more than it should < 1331621210 991192 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use a fixed font on my IRC but that doesn't mean these things will be lined up < 1331621212 753762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need an extensible dude-drawing framework < 1331621222 397086 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1331621231 636752 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: too many variances in clients, yeah < 1331621251 882983 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but any client that left-aligns nicks should do, excepting ones that don't pad for non-status-symbols when there's a difference < 1331621269 180481 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually made it output proper spaces once but i actually got more complaints than otherwise < 1331621305 363449 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, i neglected an ebay auction earlier < 1331621306 552042 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1331621315 900183 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 watt solar panel, probably would have gone for < $1/watt < 1331621331 64826 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i laid eyes on it at 8 mins to go and then got distracted < 1331621338 822017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once bought ebay < 1331621343 578938 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 120 watt myndzi
< 1331621344 126846 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 120 watt shachaf
< 1331621351 175462 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once watt ebay < 1331621353 447892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: ps - revive bf joust, thx < 1331621356 107575 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://achewood.com/index.php?date=04282006 < 1331621361 142794 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331621368 382598 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm impressed that slowrush is still hanging out in decent shape < 1331621374 601535 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: For example, on my client, your messages are thirteen spaces to the right of elliott's messages. And many other client do in other ways; it also depend fixed/proportinal, table format, and other things too. So you cannot really get it to work (possibly even in some cases, messages from the same sender might not be lined up!) < 1331621375 194014 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1331621380 899948 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to top the effort ais put in < 1331621387 167589 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with what limited motivation i have :) < 1331621432 756906 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones he did most recently are like the ones i wanted to do but didn't want to spend the effort on, but also better most likely < 1331621433 784739 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1331621448 688153 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's less about discovery than it is about refinement < 1331621453 434360 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the same r eason i can't get myself into corewars < 1331621516 91738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, my IRC uses its own colors instead of using the colors specified in the message.) < 1331621530 299591 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it does < 1331621548 248590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: i think it's still about discovery as, iirc, ais' latest strategy still has no known counter < 1331621555 997700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general < 1331621568 800323 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's more like, there's no way i can cater to everything so i went for the majority < 1331621594 92751 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Yes, you cannot cater to everything. < 1331621602 766797 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it even possible to cater to zzo's client < 1331621647 744681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: zzo38's client shows the lines as raw IRC lines with syntax highlighting < 1331621649 327716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's that < 1331621650 61253 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dunno, i just refreshed my memory and it's more like "everything useful thus far" < 1331621652 323352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :better account for user+hostname < 1331621658 269285 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol. < 1331621663 251729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: eh? < 1331621665 13308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :re: everything useful < 1331621668 188255 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've irced with telnet many a time and i can't imagine why anyone would want to do that < 1331621678 399213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because zzo < 1331621678 755306 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It probably is, but is not such a good idea since any client does them differently from another one. < 1331621678 956197 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean slowpoke.bfjoust < 1331621692 140324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuuuuck good{night,morning} < 1331621697 514719 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's integrated the strategies or counters to everything up to it basically < 1331621702 883201 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that shows in the ratings too < 1331621704 473221 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: I have once done that too; but then I found it wasn't very good so I wrote an IRC client instead. < 1331621748 349275 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it loses to a couple, which means that you could target it, but that does you no good if the specific killers don't survive on their own against a lot of other things < 1331621791 396501 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not being defeatist, i just don't have any ideas :) < 1331621802 47697 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that don't involve "doing something very similar but better" < 1331621814 620661 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the "doing something new" that caught my interest < 1331621917 615836 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-128-195.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331621941 489371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331622072 639420 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-151-222.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331622132 420842 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Sunday, I have played D&D game. < 1331622146 290238 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But experience points for that session have not yet been counted. < 1331622178 577396 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331622204 733406 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331622213 725469 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :under deliberation? < 1331622239 887341 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just up til 3am and wanted sleep ;) < 1331622275 576762 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason is that the DM lacked time to do so. < 1331622427 475751 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-125-51.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331622526 843999 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the players is new and played only one session before this one; her character is a human fighter, using a staff and crossbow, with high Wisdom, and has a winter blanket, candle, bread, cheese, meat, and ale. < 1331622549 582037 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems very random < 1331622549 799600 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My character is very different from that and has very different equipment. < 1331622578 688049 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-128-195.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331622623 345454 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never really got into a decent d&d game :\ < 1331622635 983949 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :had the opportunity and not the knowledge and also the reverse < 1331622636 533076 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1331622643 831164 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also one player who has quit. < 1331622709 472481 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they quit due to an ale shortage < 1331622730 584899 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AM I GETTING DRUNK YET < 1331622735 552659 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No; I think he just wanted to do other things. < 1331622911 553900 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-121-125.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331623062 636328 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-125-51.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331623349 462016 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can read about the game and about the characters since I put all of it onto the computer. < 1331623482 912469 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Her character has tried to offer some food to my character for healing, but she learn better in future < 1331623596 172617 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't eat? :P < 1331623604 587706 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331623658 457193 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things, it wouldn't heal hit point damage. < 1331623720 525062 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft you're not playing Final Fantasy? :P < 1331623734 95707 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct; I am not playing Final Fantasy. < 1331623874 903928 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything's better with chocobos! < 1331623880 198090 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-229-243.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331624052 651208 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-121-125.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331624284 820857 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-231-58.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331624426 670451 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-229-243.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331625106 653002 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331625248 979761 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331625345 809234 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you should play Chocobo Dungeon < 1331625361 255012 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes as much sense as it sounds, but it has chocobos < 1331625398 201998 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-137.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331625410 357520 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-209-244.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331625763 501282 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-126-6.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331625820 489963 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1331625922 680481 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-231-58.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331626520 508532 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1331627411 965427 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-128-178.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331627572 733207 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-126-6.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331628110 205837 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Shen uses a C++ convention for comments." < 1331628118 17226 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\* Here is a comment *\" < 1331628119 302104 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1331628128 982611 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ inspired, I guess. < 1331628339 643558 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's important to invent new comment syntax for your language < 1331628348 262845 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes polyglot programs easier to write < 1331628515 317417 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea: Polygots that don't use comments. < 1331628833 807879 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For the next release I’m trying to decide whether to roll to one of the super-bloated newer Linux kernels or write my own USB stack plus SATA and UDMA drivers for 2.0.28." < 1331628869 866258 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1331628890 292118 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mastodon.biz/ same guy that has the SCCS mirror on github < 1331628913 270699 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.4.20 was the kernel, man. < 1331628920 931701 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the kernel that it's all about. < 1331629066 214106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331629075 66287 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331629954 427113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees a nick matchin ell.* and thinks "this will end well."
< 1331629987 266592 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you mean "this will start ell"? < 1331629998 772651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE < 1331630031 396404 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I get a domain name in Afghanistan? < 1331630078 334464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds dangerous < 1331630275 4075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://p.zem.fi/d0as -- C/Befunge polyglot without comments. (Okay, so X/Befunge is far too easy.) < 1331630306 615064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are still waiting for Malbolge/Befunge. < 1331630326 661125 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C/Whitespace is easier. < 1331630339 303934 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does whitespace count as comments when there's information encoded in it? < 1331630366 239052 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do non-whitespace characters in Whitespace count as comments? < 1331630367 120139 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about strings? Do those count as comments? Python practically uses them as such. < 1331630415 502669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :python has strings attached < 1331630421 972422 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, cute/cool < 1331630546 397044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:48:36: Norwegian. < 1331630546 559270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:48:59: far as I know, it will pass valgrind with flying colours < 1331630553 495759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1331630564 964336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those weren't the same person. < 1331630585 758836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM STARTING TO AGREE WITH CERTAIN PEOPLE ON THESE NICK MATTERS < 1331630608 275227 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT ABOUT UNCERTAIN PEOPLE < 1331630609 839528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true what you say, nick matters. < 1331630637 401776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot agree with uncertain people, you never know where you might end up. < 1331630662 586146 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might end up uncertain. < 1331630680 396579 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hey, you're Norwegian. < 1331630696 760857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you pass Valgrind? < 1331630716 423765 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Have you ever been to Bø? < 1331630718 747510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: presumably, only if i die in battle. < 1331630723 768884 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trick question: All cities in Norway are called Bø. < 1331630751 323256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a bo-ing place it must be. < 1331630781 813162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Bø in Vesterålen? < 1331630789 181236 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean Bøing. < 1331630803 128149 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the name of a big airplane thing company. < 1331630815 981136 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, Telemark. < 1331630858 909146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. then probably not. probably not the other one either. < 1331630956 243626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is a bit unsure, since i've been to some nearby places < 1331630966 18754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly don't _recall_ visiting either. < 1331630986 837074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/latter/Vesterålen one/ < 1331631346 943177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:06:01: little(?) known fact is that 'yiff' comes from a whole language of dog sounds haha < 1331631350 187400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:06:19: by 'whole language' i'm talking like a dozen words of course < 1331631357 615990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey that's more than enough for turing-completeness! < 1331631658 628914 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331631755 813802 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331631774 688034 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331631780 733965 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1331632193 504155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :*.net *.split < 1331632194 183067 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1331632194 183363 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1331632194 183444 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1331632194 780897 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1331632293 552308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331632523 706888 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331632523 707031 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331632523 707108 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331632523 707183 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331635322 799288 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331637783 713346 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C98A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331638249 728313 :sunz!~sunz@p54820778.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1331638279 533876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome sunz < 1331638287 82964 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sunz: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331638552 576286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (welcome && welcome && welcome) | @ oerjan cat - < 1331638556 695706 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page \ Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page \ Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design < 1331638615 386390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1331638622 270952 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome fizzie | perl -CS -Mutf8 -pwe 'y/!-~/！-～/; y/ /　/' < 1331638625 249786 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ｆｉｚｚｉｅ：　Ｗｅｌｃｏｍｅ　ｔｏ　ｔｈｅ　ｉｎｔｅｒｎａｔｉｏｎａｌ　ｈｕｂ　ｆｏｒ　ｅｓｏｔｅｒｉｃ　ｐｒｏｇｒａｍｍｉｎｇ　ｌａｎｇｕａｇｅ　ｄｅｓｉｇｎ　ａｎｄ　ｄｅｐｌｏｙｍｅｎｔ！　Ｆｏｒ　ｍｏｒｅ　ｉｎｆｏｒｍａｔｉｏｎ，　ｃｈｅｃｋ　ｏｕｔ　ｏｕｒ　ｗｉｋｉ：　ｈｔｔｐ：／／ｅｓｏｌａｎｇｓ < 1331638639 445719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the widest welcome. < 1331638881 639479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome ion | perl -CS -Mutf8 -pwe 'y/a-zA-Z/𝖆-𝖟𝕬-𝖅/' < 1331638884 969043 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​𝖎𝖔𝖓: 𝖂𝖊𝖑𝖈𝖔𝖒𝖊 𝖙𝖔 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖎𝖓𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖓𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓𝖆𝖑 𝖍𝖚𝖇 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖊𝖘𝖔𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖎𝖈 𝖕𝖗𝖔𝖌𝖗𝖆𝖒𝖒𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖑𝖆𝖓𝖌𝖚𝖆𝖌𝖊 𝖉𝖊𝖘𝖎𝖌𝖓 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖉𝖊𝖕𝖑𝖔𝖞𝖒𝖊𝖓𝖙! 𝕱𝖔𝖗 𝖒𝖔𝖗𝖊 𝖎𝖓𝖋𝖔𝖗𝖒𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓, < 1331638899 735342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sadly, it does not work in my terminal; had to go all XChat for it.) < 1331638905 221605 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works in mine. < 1331638916 823513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly a font problem. < 1331638920 33262 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1331639006 623226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh; at codu logs with this work-borwser, doesn't show up in the regular logs but does show up in the "text" and "raw" ones. < 1331639985 264954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1331640747 243203 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331640773 651059 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331641048 851904 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331641531 968702 :derdon_!~derdon@pD9E1D509.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331641702 988295 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-236-125.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331641718 219310 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C98A.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331641741 6554 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-128-178.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331642028 963409 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-238-19.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331642069 792753 :derdon_!~derdon@pD9E1D509.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331642202 967073 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-236-125.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331642439 984140 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-158-231.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331642599 20548 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-238-19.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331643703 355110 :ckennelly!~ckennelly@beryllium.caltech.edu PART :#esoteric < 1331643875 3140 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331645682 934623 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331646420 634305 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 NICK :MDude < 1331646553 501714 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-205-211.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331646578 336833 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-205-211.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1331649178 8265 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331649202 505301 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331649217 439739 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331649815 355882 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Heh; at codu logs with this work-borwser, doesn't show up in the regular logs but does show up in the "text" and "raw" ones. // whoah, same here ... that's odd. < 1331649886 983337 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1331650074 18671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's funny, the HTML version is physically full of ef bf bd (that's UTF8ese for U+FFFD REPLACEMENT CHARACTER) where the characters should be. < 1331650098 830351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're non-BMP characters, maybe someone has Uniscrewed up? < 1331650110 927717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's what screwing up Unicode support is called.) < 1331650318 919384 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-12.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331650323 461473 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-137.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331650560 78957 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so! < 1331651420 988684 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331651626 192934 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331653245 546212 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-120-19.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331653423 198899 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-158-231.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331653913 1396 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331654670 539014 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331654716 5685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is elly a relation of elliott's? < 1331654769 866967 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All people whose names begin with "ell" are related. < 1331654825 64453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, didn't you know that elliott's real name is actually Ell Iot the Third? < 1331654841 747912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Hexham they use the familial, personal name order. < 1331654890 346772 :sunz!~sunz@p54820778.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART #esoteric :"Verlassend" < 1331655514 155094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331655707 847145 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331655976 581556 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION learns of the being known as Xah Lee
< 1331655984 825702 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/browse_thread/thread/71ff72fc0f45ec82 < 1331656174 212474 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331656243 286441 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331656720 782637 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UK's going to lose Eurovision this year. < 1331656722 719065 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again. < 1331657750 506811 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331658513 483301 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331658816 184684 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :xah lee is insane < 1331658816 838177 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331658880 830085 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-252-155.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331659055 233654 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-120-19.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331659182 956602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331659403 463319 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-252-233.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331659444 115809 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331659468 464060 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331659480 144522 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of learning C++ < 1331659605 244006 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-252-155.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331659634 148632 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any suggestions for a tutorial? < 1331659652 669179 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-233-45.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331659698 382803 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://google.com/search?q=c%2B%2B+fqa < 1331659734 39882 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1331659734 269012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1331659738 121218 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1331659758 937368 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WWW isn't working, but IRC seems to be? < 1331659781 245902 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-252-233.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331659819 806496 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skype seems to be working too < 1331659961 466220 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331659961 628310 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331659985 566468 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331660027 305738 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1331660136 880405 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... I shouldn't learn C++? < 1331660210 817659 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-128-93.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331660327 875478 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just being a jerk ^^ < 1331660340 160352 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1331660350 373127 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for a language to learn that isn't Haskell. < 1331660350 677016 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-227-231.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331660374 210936 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, while Haskell is great and all, it's all I know other than a little Python and less VB < 1331660375 324605 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-233-45.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331660400 900266 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("Then learn %c\n", unix["OCAML"]); < 1331660405 926590 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then learn C < 1331660422 400801 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, can you recommend a C tutorial? < 1331660427 954248 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope! < 1331660432 816941 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1331660471 288712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: it's capitalised "OCaml", which would have worked just as well < 1331660487 147442 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, I realized that too late. < 1331660508 593492 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331660529 260412 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-128-93.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331660672 728748 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye! < 1331660673 958323 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1331660693 363479 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Watch me pull this topic out of my hat! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1331660825 737424 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-253-173.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331661013 267595 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-227-231.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331661674 763731 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331661838 242576 :sidneycavalanti!~Servidor@189.81.159.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331661843 755452 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331661849 244526 :sidneycavalanti!~Servidor@189.81.159.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e ai rapaziada < 1331661886 726857 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331661937 863718 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome sidneycavalanti < 1331661940 960786 :sidneycavalanti!~Servidor@189.81.159.110 PART :#esoteric < 1331661941 122673 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sidneycavalanti: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331661944 471830 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1331661946 519936 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That worked well. < 1331662076 13827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just did a causality violation. < 1331662155 667740 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :google celebrates origami grandmaster akira yoshizawa.. wiki page includes link to Tribute by David Lister (no relation to red dwarf) < 1331662214 15974 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only mentioned it for the red dwarf reference < 1331662225 995569 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree/disagree some of Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth? < 1331662236 462628 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Make sure you keep us up to date on all potential Red Dwarf references. < 1331662407 600839 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Then learn C" lol < 1331662483 432688 :Taneb!~chatzilla@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331662486 261750 :Taneb!~chatzilla@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331662509 766667 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331662638 916698 :Taneb!~chatzilla@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1331662996 971381 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331663042 914968 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331663105 977396 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331663195 739564 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I saw some question asking if "I is" can be used in English language. Now I have a second question to go with it, which is if "i is" can be used in English language. < 1331663235 252313 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-12.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331663236 781979 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-225.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331663239 609179 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :borat uses it < 1331663252 464464 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in my imagination he does < 1331663302 956100 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i is savvy to right grammar feel me? < 1331663349 683303 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of "i is the square root of negative one". < 1331663391 906286 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the textual rorschach test < 1331663406 705845 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1331663455 3333 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1331663464 693671 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably want to field your comments to more than one person < 1331663519 380900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, this Chromium (17) doesn't do a 'fi' ligature in the text, where a Firefox (10) does. < 1331663642 7819 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331663664 145072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even though 17 is like seven more than 10.) < 1331663675 15743 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I is a word" ;)? < 1331663697 142896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331663758 353786 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-127.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1331663758 635891 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-127.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1331663758 797819 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1331663886 621391 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@132.198.21.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331664437 808569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Ribbit < 1331665050 535900 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331665146 652008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331665308 889019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:53:53: "For the next release I’m trying to decide whether to roll to one of the super-bloated newer Linux kernels or write my own USB stack plus SATA and UDMA drivers for 2.0.28." < 1331665309 716359 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331665312 243307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: he's great isn't he < 1331665321 694610 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwow < 1331665343 780655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same guy as libc4) < 1331665364 275013 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figured < 1331665416 194985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331665501 558896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1331665505 519811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1331665549 285277 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, proggit found a "Single-process, event-driven server from 1999!" < 1331665564 627494 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, such as most servers from 1999? < 1331665583 572744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's serve like it's 1999? < 1331665590 785967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nodelivescript.com < 1331665604 721670 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331665694 535878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:40:00: !c printf("Then learn %c\n", unix["OCAML"]); < 1331665694 697824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:40:05: Then learn C < 1331665696 320675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: how < 1331665703 771867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is unix even a standard symbol < 1331665706 620564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:38:40: The UK's going to lose Eurovision this year. < 1331665706 782234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:38:42: Again. < 1331665716 261265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone tell them there's only one winner each year? < 1331665717 288591 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", unix); // @elliott < 1331665719 546802 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1331665735 587709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Pollution :'( < 1331665736 589832 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: likely not standard-standard, but one of the symbols you can #ifdef to see if you're on unix < 1331665745 109722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAMESPACE POLLUTION < 1331665750 888014 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's a gross one. < 1331665753 324821 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For that matter, < 1331665758 325814 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", linux); < 1331665760 446823 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1331665763 331077 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hadurp < 1331665796 76900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1331665805 657068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331665816 207910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("Best letter: %c", __DBL_DIG__["ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"]); < 1331665818 532560 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best letter: P < 1331665842 934178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's got the __s, though. < 1331665873 344987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to "gcc -E -dD -x c /dev/null", "linux" and "unix" are the only underscoreless ones here. < 1331665960 82426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%c", "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"[_POSIX_VERSION%26]); < 1331665962 462354 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1331665965 63577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. < 1331666000 670488 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's the best way to check your POSIX version. < 1331666076 831110 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-240-141.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331666145 247674 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d",_POSIX_VERSION); < 1331666147 473561 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :200112 < 1331666227 377602 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-253-173.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331666232 753770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%c", unix[__VERSION__]); < 1331666235 13993 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​. < 1331666244 286998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1331666260 981683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I should've printed it with %d for more confusion. < 1331666264 255111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", unix[__VERSION__]); < 1331666266 528380 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :46 < 1331666271 299834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obviously a V46 Unix. < 1331666304 248404 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331666336 29644 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-144-157.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331666469 419204 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-240-141.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331666483 710887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "appEndo looks a lot less like a magic spell when you spell it app_endo" --DanBurton < 1331666510 401889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :appéndo. < 1331666592 775583 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-232-210.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331666607 438091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :appEndo functio < 1331666638 572609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spells are _supposed_ to be broken latin, right?) < 1331666755 363704 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-144-157.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331666757 21712 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-133-231.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331666770 738173 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, crapinternet < 1331666805 149070 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason this open IRC connection works although any new outgoing connections are broken < 1331666806 634339 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-225.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331666807 614511 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-11.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331666819 82042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had that happen once. < 1331666825 439684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was dns which was done < 1331666829 122292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*down < 1331666833 760254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1331666871 150501 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ping and dns works... < 1331666881 42711 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331666892 871044 :MoALTz_!~no@92.2.137.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331666900 677164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait was it that even weirder case when my isp lost contact with most places outside norway < 1331666909 367164 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-232-210.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331666935 588824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i could log on to nvg, and from there to anywhere. or was it more complicated than that. < 1331666941 582562 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems I'll have to get a server someplace on the internet, then do ip-over-ping to that server < 1331666960 667549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1331666989 270962 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just switch ISP to something that doesn't require this netgear crap < 1331667028 21318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ip-over-ping :D < 1331667107 372678 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-133-231.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331667392 973282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep flying into trees < 1331667409 107798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i have never had that problem. < 1331667443 626349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1331667467 411789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my problem is more of the never managing to take off kind. < 1331667475 302633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any ideas for better names for [[EsoInterpreters]]? :P < 1331667494 123462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esorters. Wait, no, "better". Sorry. < 1331667495 633015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose [[Interpreters in esoteric languages]] would work, but that could be used for implementations of /non-esoteric/ languages in esolangs < 1331667500 362588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see what's wrong with it. < 1331667502 769848 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@132.198.21.255 QUIT : < 1331667524 913332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Interpreters of esoteric languages in esoteric languages by esoteric languages for esoteric languages]]. < 1331667529 672377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the camelcase is very out-of-place and it doesn't offer any useful information beyond "Interpreters" < 1331667542 466221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well if we get any of those they would probably deserve to be there < 1331667624 892308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: err, wat? it's meant to be a cross-reference. if you add a column you add a row. thus if i implemented C in Thue, we'd have to add implementations of all the esolangs in C to the table < 1331667634 672296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is ridiculous < 1331667652 780642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have many more rows than columns < 1331667683 285876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i've been thinking that if we get much more columns it should be split up, i thought the self-interpreters could be their own table < 1331667687 566795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*many < 1331667696 212547 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that table wants to be automatically generated < 1331667700 139939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok "if you add a row and there are any relevant column entries then you add a column" < 1331667715 634993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, that was what i was going to work on, but then i got annoyed at the page name again. < 1331667781 578440 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fizzie is on the right track with [[Interpreters of esoteric languages in esoteric languages by esoteric languages for esoteric languages]] < 1331667783 195601 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[X_in_Y]] < 1331667851 562212 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does ip-over-ping work? < 1331667869 228626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :badly < 1331667925 887621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Are you sure it's not lacking few more prepositions? Under esoteric languages alongside esoteric languages betwixt esoteric languages notwithstanding esoteric languages? < 1331667941 317099 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: based on my recent experiments, better than ip-over-internet < 1331668026 280851 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, tcp/ip-over-internet, the ip part is actually somewhat working < 1331668035 281439 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'd google for even more prepositions if I could < 1331668081 580950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw i _believe_ that it can be generated with a (hideous) template < 1331668094 889157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that all you'd need to do is something like < 1331668097 315537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1331668140 542614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :| slashes=[[:///]];bct http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/bct.sss;bct http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Nthern/archive#BCT_interpreter_in_.2F.2F.2F < 1331668147 179564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not certain. < 1331668185 309938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm is Ook! _really_ a joke language? we have worse BF derivatives categorised as languages :P < 1331668339 781389 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's horoscope include a grand trine of Ven-Mar-Plu and Jup-Mar-Plu. (Actually, Lilith does too.) So, if someone ask you, what is today's horoscope? Then tell them there is the grand trine. If they ask you what that means, tell them it is three objects 120 degrees apart of ecliptic longitude from each other. < 1331668462 47355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr r/astronomy had pictures of a venus-jupiter conjunction some days ago < 1331668517 146320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait is that what this implies today < 1331668517 350735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, well it was intended as a joke… < 1331668519 693614 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the Venus-Jupiter conjunction even today it seems; although their ecliptic latitudes differ. < 1331668521 808639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is as bad as the esolang/not esolang thing < 1331668527 203283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer to categorise it as nonjoke, though < 1331668535 137384 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-150-205.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331668562 815815 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If there is Ven-Mar-Plu and Jup-Mar-Plu grand trines today, that does imply Venus-Jupiter conjunction) < 1331668576 127626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we seem to treat direct brainfuck ciphers as joke languages < 1331668578 278666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when we forget to < 1331668586 452405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, did you hear that someone wrote an underload self-interp? < 1331668588 645517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but lost it) < 1331668620 904401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you mean, not the ()^ joke one? < 1331668626 200576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be too hard < 1331668630 783675 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never looked at the actual planets with a telescope, although I sometimes see moon and planets and stars and so on just looking outside, I can see which direction and how close they are to each other and so on. I can compute horizon view on my computer as well, though. < 1331668636 226841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 'betwixt' and 'notwithstanding' were from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_prepositions < 1331668642 708555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it should be pretty easy < 1331668642 895256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep < 1331668644 513226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Not that you probably can see it HA HA AH < 1331668656 698227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An Underload self-interpreter without cheating would be quite an achievement!" --you, 2007 < 1331668689 625675 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331668691 395902 :MoALTz_!~no@92.2.137.0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331668702 264120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question would be how the input is encoded, no? < 1331668734 857897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :church numerals apparently < 1331668735 505835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :without encoding, i see no way to evaluate (:^):^ without cheating < 1331668736 650012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmkr! < 1331668749 565641 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331668757 414802 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a question. which one i should learn? haskell, scheme, or lisp? < 1331668769 954450 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: Perhaps learn all three. < 1331668770 131926 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see many esolang related programs are written in haskell < 1331668782 777046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's my favorite language these days < 1331668813 614595 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, when i was writing that i was in fact thinking about your programs :D < 1331668819 178141 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's lisp < 1331668860 185892 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a compiler for the esolang Constantinople, in Haskell. < 1331668874 930008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan and zzo38 are probably to blame for the number of haskell esolang programs < 1331668889 53711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's rather popular in here too < 1331668897 255740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: as far as "lisp" goes, assuming you mean Common Lisp, I wouldn't bother < 1331668900 808060 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do search in esolang wiki, you can find other things too. < 1331668906 700943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(R5RS) scheme is a far more interesting language in that family < 1331668926 334613 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331668941 611297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you learn haskell, scheme will be easy to learn. scheme knowledge helps comparatively less in learning haskell. but scheme is easier to learn coming from a background of "traditional" languages < 1331669011 27235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nubBy(((>1).).gcd)[2..] < 1331669012 816712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101... < 1331669026 903604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, is it possible to do a map over every parameter in mediawiki? < 1331669033 89352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(templates) < 1331669051 517054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as far as I know, unless you know all the possible parameter names, and only then via the stupidest form of iteration < 1331669078 211298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember the devs yelling at the authors of {{for}}, too < 1331669086 297589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm... what do templates that take arbitrary amounts of data do, then? oh, hmm, perhaps I can achieve this with X-Macros < 1331669088 366908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it produced too much server load, or something < 1331669089 985079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hmm < 1331669090 672659 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a MediaWiki extension. < 1331669096 427157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does {{ {{{1}}} | blah }} ever work to invoke a template? < 1331669097 658362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they cap at an arbitrary number < 1331669100 844756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it does < 1331669104 555389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1331669108 164537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so I can produce a data file like < 1331669108 523514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the usual way to do large hash tables < 1331669114 37452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{ {{{1}}} | name=abc | foo=bar }} < 1331669114 768999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{ {{{1}}} | name=abc | foo=bar }} < 1331669115 697904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1331669119 362753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then call it from other templates < 1331669125 131521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which pass another template as an argument < 1331669128 776698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus producing a loop < 1331669129 504607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes < 1331669133 520735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you going with this? < 1331669140 307752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: trying to generate the [[EsoInterpreters]] table < 1331669147 299975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's unmaintainable :P < 1331669168 949568 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would you recommend any particular haskell implementation? should work in windows. < 1331669179 13297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: http://hackage.haskell.org/platform/ < 1331669184 488871 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: I use GHC myself. < 1331669192 56258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it includes a windowsy REPL (like python console) < 1331669195 854722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(WinGHCi) < 1331669205 811101 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I have sometimes wanted something that includes things of Haskell, Lisp, and Scheme. < 1331669213 447393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: http://learnyouahaskell.com/ is the best tutorial to learn Haskell with < 1331669215 475215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i use that < 1331669222 245325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what it's worth :) < 1331669241 912305 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1331669268 939429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is #haskell still recommendable? < 1331669278 541612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmm < 1331669280 422405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1331669293 591050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is the best place for haskell help :p < 1331669307 716849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's accurate < 1331669321 379278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: i might as well give the standard advice to forget everything you know about programming, since haskell is so different to everything else < 1331669337 665729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess that's less of a problem for esolangers :P < 1331669340 331183 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. easily done < 1331669351 961382 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: Here is one Haskell program in esolang wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Pure_BF/Implementation < 1331669377 965262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: i feel compelled to note that zzo38's haskell style is not considered idiomatic. < 1331669383 472807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: you should perhaps know that zzo38 has a rather d... right :P < 1331669408 748921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not 100% mine is, either, but at least i use layout < 1331669416 817885 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes you are correct. But it does not necessarily have to be idiomatic to work. < 1331669443 218708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it might also be nice to see how different from idiomatic you _can_ program < 1331669464 281895 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just do it the way which makes sense to me < 1331669467 540034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+sure < 1331669476 997336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, I have a feeling this may need more template metaprogramming than mediawiki can support < 1331669502 306450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is usual < 1331669522 962297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix((0:).scanl(+)1) < 1331669524 614333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946... < 1331669634 882588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filterM(const[True,False])[1,2,3] -- and yet another haskell example < 1331669635 80304 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How is your Haskell programming difference from whatever other style there is? < 1331669635 821280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,2,3],[1,2],[1,3],[1],[2,3],[2],[3],[]] < 1331669670 622874 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does idiomatic even mean in programming? < 1331669692 953325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i don't know, i'm just not assuming i'm entirely idiomatic. < 1331669704 319470 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the compound word of "idiot" and "automatic". < 1331669736 981723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ehird/sandbox/data&action=edit < 1331669744 2605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A VAST IMPROVEMENT < 1331669747 608346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that `flip` idiom i just started using in my BFQdeql might not be very widespread < 1331669752 953428 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? i was thinking of idioms in normal languages < 1331669770 330610 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: no < 1331669772 516598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: it's pretty much the same as the natural language meaning < 1331669775 177187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1331669776 625269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of "idiomatic" < 1331669779 53034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not of "idiom" really < 1331669781 262915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otoh i haven't read that much other code < 1331669795 326996 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: idiomatic is not a compound of idiot and automatic < 1331669795 749070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: i think zzo38 was joking. < 1331669811 323823 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I was joking. < 1331669812 487514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: what me and oerjan were trying to say is that zzo38's programs are written and structured in a very different way than most people skilled in haskell would structure them. < 1331669839 509494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus reading them is unlikely to help a beginner learn the language :p < 1331669870 526756 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that necessarily means they won't help anyone < 1331669875 158914 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see now < 1331669909 202170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think they're more useful to get a wider perspective once you've learned the basics < 1331669930 7890 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably i'll deviate from the usual way myself once i learn the basics < 1331669952 751724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :might take more than learning the basics to be able to productively deviate from the usual style in haskell < 1331669993 780376 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that remains to be seen. i have no idea what to expect. < 1331670018 482782 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm basically starting from zero < 1331670024 278692 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with this kind of programming < 1331670027 443495 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can learn the basics in any way you just do it in whatever way make most sensible for you. < 1331670478 782984 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 NICK :MDude < 1331670679 682231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan, can you convert [[EsoInterpreters]] to use a wikitable and ths? :P < 1331670698 671456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ths? < 1331670709 900788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1331670718 296638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1331670760 45832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean html table syntax? i'm not very familiar with it. < 1331670775 825895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just meant using ! headings for the language names < 1331670781 105265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie first row/col < 1331670784 963609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1331670790 535422 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what might look good? some javascript thing where languages would be circles that move in circles and lines with an arrow tip would connect them, pointing which language is implemented in which < 1331670795 385377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose that should be possible to achieve. < 1331670826 733554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: you won't catch me implementing that any time soon :P < 1331670875 150731 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1331671023 326238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's already trying to use something called "wikitable plainlinks" < 1331671045 919331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plainlinks gets rid of the external link arrow on external links, right? < 1331671084 258329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh that was you. i was just about to remove the plainlinks part :P < 1331671120 778894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1331671126 482097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right < 1331671155 507674 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-150-205.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331671178 927736 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331671233 459889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: like that? < 1331671274 317132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. except you removed the right-alignment of the text < 1331671284 462442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1331671285 500864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh just needs s/align="right"/style="text-align: right"/g < 1331671292 881810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i didn't, i just hit that bug again < 1331671316 988081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a bug < 1331671322 486898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think < 1331671364 492111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok like that then < 1331671372 224131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1331671389 731648 :shadwick!80bd409b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.64.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331671391 842056 :shadwick!80bd409b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.64.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331671397 184541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally i just c/p your s///g line < 1331671452 938142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shadwick < 1331671470 908667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok now my secret additional plan is to use some CSS or JS to get crosshair highlighting < 1331671477 907272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. rolling over a cell highlights the column and the row < 1331671539 326763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1331671680 378137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I am < 1331671683 734794 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting this fortress < 1331671696 864421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also confirm/deny that your name in Hexhamese is Ell Iot the Third. < 1331671792 945157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1331671856 621910 :shadwick!80bd409b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.64.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortress? < 1331671931 655473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eot the llI (best viewed in a font where l and I look much the same) < 1331671939 918897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: dwarf < 1331671974 729553 :shadwick!80bd409b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.64.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh ok < 1331672113 267382 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1331672170 146000 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331672186 130778 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1331672208 376036 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331672237 79874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, all the known diff algorithms seem to be O(n^2) worst case < 1331672244 67636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why does diff not take ages in practice? < 1331672290 577611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because n is small < 1331672296 494932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're not worst-case < 1331672312 211700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst case seems pretty plausible in practice, though < 1331672324 224482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one small change near the start, one small change near the end, arbitrary changes elsewhere) < 1331672499 563748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do the tools actually guarantee optimal diffs, though? They could just be using windows of reasonable size. < 1331672555 309510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was wondering about that < 1331672555 669974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that also is what i say was going to < 1331672560 76183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this algo doesn't seem to have a concept of a window < 1331672567 293473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, n is still small < 1331672586 736075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets diffutils source
< 1331672697 400206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If it's the dynamic-programming tabular thing, I think you can retrofit a window into it by restricting things on the "diagonal" (+ fiddling), though I haven't thought this through. < 1331672779 86844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The basic algorithm is described in "An O(ND) Difference Algorithm and its Variations", Eugene W. Myers, Algorithmica Vol. 1 No. 2, 1986, pp. 251-266; and in "A File Comparison Program", Webb Miller and Eugene W. Myers, Software--Practice and Experience Vol. 15 No. 11, 1985, pp. 1025-1040." Is that / are those the things you were referring to? < 1331672822 25057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was basing it on the dynamic programming algo in Wikipedia < 1331672850 538568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a quotation from the diffutils infopage. < 1331672874 771436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'd need a good academic library to get copies of those < 1331672879 569432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have access to one, but not right now < 1331672882 701349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1331672904 615306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xmailserver.org/diff2.pdf < 1331672970 87618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's ILLEGAL!!!! (Possibly.) < 1331673004 13836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They say it's O(ND) where D is the size of the edit script, which is small for reasonable files; and O(N+D^2) "random-case". < 1331673025 320574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: meh, I can almost certainly access it legally if I just wait until tomorrow < 1331673025 483020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's possible. It was the first google-hit for the paper title. < 1331673076 836506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.4.6927 has a PDF. < 1331673081 770643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is CiteSeerX illegal too? < 1331673118 985826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "download link" there is to xmailserver.org. < 1331673146 875693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it has a cached copy. < 1331673166 838874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a weird place for that document. < 1331673206 722212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose a mail server could concievably make use of it, maybe, somehow, but still. < 1331673274 351160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so, is self-BCT TC? < 1331673291 963496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1331673294 837779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1331673460 24211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also to finish the quotation, "The algorithm was independently discovered as described in "Algorithms for Approximate String Matching", E. Ukkonen, Information and Control Vol. 64, 1985, pp. 100-118.". I think I've read that, or at least some string paper by Ukkonen. < 1331673466 773012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A Finnish name.) < 1331673483 732225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Finnish people are very smart.) < 1331673495 340856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (They're speech recognition researchers and whatnot.) < 1331673500 311474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: finnish names are reasonably recognizable; I know a few from following Formula 1 < 1331673554 240745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that last paper is available from the author's page at Helsinki University. < 1331673580 648905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Too bad they never reach the Finnish line. < 1331673601 999276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Scholar finds it; I'd paste a link but I can't quite figure out how to get the actual PDF with this phone. < 1331673620 470186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know that was a bad joke, but IIRC there have been Finnish Formula 1 world champions < 1331673623 821830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least one, anyway < 1331673650 314248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think >1, though I don't really follow. < 1331673664 892871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do I nowadays, although I used to < 1331673668 131470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not world champions, then at least relatively successful drivers. < 1331673696 843959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I do follow, of course. We Finns have to do everything we can to see the incredibly rare sight of a Finn winning at anything.) < 1331673705 920948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (But I can't let the foreigners know that.) < 1331673722 662452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mika Häkkinen and Kimi Räikkönen and Mika Salo are I think people who do things with cars. < 1331673761 210644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (MY FAVOURITES.) < 1331673818 735271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you, I don't know, shut up or something? < 1331673848 643230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, people never write the accents on their names in the UK < 1331673854 42447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even on the official commentary thing < 1331673858 565238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it usual to omit them in Finland too? < 1331673862 651398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think your speech recognition software just malfunctioned. Did someone ask you a question after you said "Could you,"? < 1331673863 973264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nnno. < 1331673868 747693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer got included in your IRC line. < 1331673941 353242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I thought Keke Rosberg was a rally driver, but apparently he's a F1 world champion (the first Finnish) too. There's some sort of an idiotic "song" about him. < 1331673951 692984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kekekeke < 1331673962 61715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kekekekekekekeke Roosberi Roosberi" or so on. < 1331674045 137499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (The Finnish national anthem.) < 1331674197 984824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you're going to troll fizzie, at least make it vaguely good trolling < 1331674211 405311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: This is pretty good by Finnish standards!!! < 1331674242 744187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, that would be Mämmi < 1331674253 374092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away from fizzie
< 1331674363 330087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only assume fizzie left to invade norway. < 1331674422 748010 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331674441 18602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's crying, I think. < 1331674447 592795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1331674550 449483 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331674679 334746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The song, maybe: http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keke_Rosberg_formula_rock < 1331674714 601610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This song is about a family father, who bought a family car. < 1331674714 763728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dad bought the car, it's pretty tasteless." < 1331674714 763917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Father may be influenced by Rosberg driving style, and he was shipped over to tear around the extensive family of traffic. < 1331674714 764028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The car is turbocharged, the driver is Urpo. Gas-presses, gas money is a loan, the family kuskaa, not realizing puskaa, where the bollard lurking ... » < 1331674715 105533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Father's racing ends when he drives into the woods, as a result will have a wheelchair . < 1331674717 107849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :»... Father driving mettään not known kettään. Away from the father's concern, it is sufficient wheelchair ... » < 1331674720 115741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The boy may later own a moped, and you drive the same style as his father. < 1331674794 422903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1331674802 908772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in YouTube. < 1331674811 643486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :These words ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE TO FINNS < 1331674823 186395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Matti Kalervo, "Peltsi" not set ( March 28, 1951 in Helsinki - July 13, 1995 Vasa ) was a well-known Finnish actress . He was able to make 50 the role of the film career and became known especially in Aki Kaurismäki's films as an actor standard." < 1331674829 131504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How many of your actresses are male? < 1331674852 772314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOp4z2MkCOo -- the description mentions a translation. < 1331674885 978194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, the file you requested is not available. < 1331674886 176643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible reasons include: < 1331674886 176889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- File date limit has expired. < 1331674886 177020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- File was not successfully uploaded. < 1331674886 177131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please contact the uploader and ask them to upload the file again. sendspace is not able to help you in this matter. < 1331674891 934296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1331674940 749980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is catchy. < 1331674960 610093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The YT comments have some lyrics, but they're not much better than GT. < 1331674977 665950 :shadwick!80bd409b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.64.155 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331675026 327553 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the bork. < 1331675048 150583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Did you know that Memory Alpha's main page is [[Portal:Main]]? < 1331675050 664562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must be so proud. < 1331675060 951719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1331675074 994127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: On the other hand, it's a Wikia. < 1331675095 489821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1331675102 539630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: These other-language Wikipedias are so... depressing. < 1331675110 891346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The articles are so pitiful. < 1331675114 482919 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IDW Publishing has announced the release of a Next Generation/Doctor Who crossover comic, entitled Assimilation2." < 1331675115 958358 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha wtf < 1331675139 774621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Google's corporate culture has been a slogan "Do not be evil" (Do not be evil), according to which it tends to keep terms with the users, rather than the formation of high-hated company. However, the slogan has occasionally been mentioned by others might be unduly: Google's own corporate presentation, it is the sixth list of ten principles and describes the company's mainly a way to offer ads, that is, to avoid irrelevant, pushy, or disguised ad < 1331675139 936772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s. source?" < 1331675147 308090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: FINALLY. < 1331675156 625857 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This sounds like the worst of all possible ideas X-D < 1331675176 752325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Next Generation here refers to the Star Trek series? < 1331675182 595158 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes. < 1331675182 822434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9692630/implementing-haskells-maybe-monad-in-c11 < 1331675191 748706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: And therefore the best. < 1331675202 868702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it sounds like the worst of all possible good ideas, to me < 1331675258 572347 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D509.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331675272 80624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, no, it doesn't, I just wanted to say that) < 1331675339 574780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tahanxse for clarifdiyng < 1331675378 72944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That song. It is in my head now. < 1331675380 553311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curse your Finnish revenge. < 1331675383 843048 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be the best of all possible abysmally bad ideas. < 1331675423 730546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like being the tallest dwarf. < 1331675513 535847 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the smartest Intelligent Design advocate. < 1331675579 350422 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if belief of Intelligent Design operating with evolution? < 1331675582 777955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had an Intelligent Design seminar at the university once, maybe six-seven years back. It was the weirdest thing. < 1331675599 425779 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK then explain < 1331675608 131898 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf just happened < 1331675641 429612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that the idea of the eye evolving is as ludicrous as an LP record that can be flipped around? < 1331675649 9518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that. < 1331675668 477724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was mostly weird metaphors like that. < 1331675693 591908 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some (not necessarily all) LP records can be flipped around. What is the point of metaphors like that? < 1331675745 89510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly an LP that can be flipped around couldn't possibly evolve, because what use would it be to have half a song on the other side? < 1331675772 875153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: hi < 1331675787 747184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of metaphors are to flip around, before they fall flat on the floor, butter side down. < 1331675788 197310 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if it is too long to fit on one side of a single record. < 1331675790 789219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : But what if belief of Intelligent Design operating with evolution? < 1331675790 950964 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OH GOD HELP ME < 1331675793 896351 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WHAT IS GOING ON < 1331675794 743755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1331675801 869568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The two are incompatible by definition. "Intelligent Design" != "intelligent design". < 1331675809 643184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was organized by this http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Leisola dude. < 1331675811 963114 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: O, OK. < 1331675814 141357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g., intelligent design of the initial conditions of the universe and evolution are compatible) < 1331675824 445591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but Intelligent Design, the ideology, specifically contradicts evolution) < 1331675834 925145 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idiology < 1331675845 434317 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know what you mean once you mentioned the capitalization at once. < 1331675915 812400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, the article mentions our thing. Seems it was in 2004. < 1331675954 459005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With e.g. Richard Sternberg lecturing. < 1331676024 351969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall there were some rather pointed questions from the audience, but not much was accomplished (oh no). < 1331676027 132569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time zone offset is PST? < 1331676030 947564 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331676066 16249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to make sense of this Azure timezone bug < 1331676068 365625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the "Skepsis" organization gave Leisola the "Huuhaa" ("woo-woo") award. < 1331676078 721193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, UTC-8 < 1331676111 180788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they had another datetime bug? < 1331676113 785768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Pacific or Philippines? Both use the same abbreviation. < 1331676120 15941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, the feb 29 one < 1331676126 400258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: doesn't say, but I'm guessing Pacific from context < 1331676152 863377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: PST was featured prominently in that horrible "round to midnight" discussion #esoteric had. < 1331676163 156423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't remind me. < 1331676188 32267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that one meaning of PST is +8 and one -8 and both are 0 (modulo 8) was also involved. < 1331676195 887748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1331676249 98141 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331676350 216839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Speak of the. < 1331676352 674635 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331676401 416574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, to jump back a bit; Leisola is one of those "microevolution happens, but the real thing doesn't", and I think mostly because he's worked on biochemistry a lot, and it's been so difficult, and therefore it's "ridiculous" to think that evolution could manage to accomplish anything, when he himself hasn't. < 1331676427 247547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also he thinks the Flood happened, and the Ark had one of each baramin, or whatever. < 1331676429 687177 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331676458 406970 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331676482 529217 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331676511 772739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decided to generate a large DF world with history set to very long.
< 1331676514 101365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even given all that, apparently he still has managed to do quite a lot of good chemistry. < 1331676527 911049 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's chugging along at 1 year every second or so. < 1331676541 306077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: dude, what happened to THE FORTRESS YOU WERE BUILDING? < 1331676610 745424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I had my doubts about the embark site wait it's past ten oh no what < 1331676633 371382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, OK I'll come clean. < 1331676636 958140 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.158 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331676682 291485 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cavern layer in the wrong place could easily devastate the fortress' design; I stupidly used reveal, and wasn't able to resist the temptation to probe the entire map into boringness. < 1331676723 811720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Remember when you were all "ME, CHEAT? PFFFT NO YOU'RE PARANOID"? < 1331676749 206701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, come on, I know better now. < 1331676770 103099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used reveal on a running fort, and I've cut back on use of prospect almost entirely. < 1331676777 465544 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vdig is too useful to go without, though. < 1331676973 530857 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and anyway, your opposition to me cheating extended to outlawing turning the temperature simulation off, even though it was the only thing keeping large forts playable for me. < 1331677018 423710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ":'(" -- phantom hoover < 1331677025 977507 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-51.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331677034 731928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, you're good at proving things sub-TC, right? < 1331677035 498984 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-11.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331677051 788082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Phat nom" Hoover. < 1331677058 273300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: moderately good < 1331677061 349020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: excellent < 1331677068 617604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although don't mention something like Dupdog or Xigxag, I don't have a clue with those < 1331677081 44651 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands elliott a bagel with cream cheese.
< 1331677084 138062 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove this non-TC. < 1331677133 285441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I want to design a language like self-BCT or Clue (Keymaker), except even simpler < 1331677159 852317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I hate TC proofs for those sorts of languages < 1331677172 290152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I asked for a sub-TC proof! < 1331677205 682167 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands ais523 an onion bagel with sour cream and caramel sauce.
< 1331677208 814104 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove this non-TC. < 1331677237 701183 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION >_> <_<
< 1331677244 773746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as any computation must remove a layer of the onion, it eventually terminates. Q.E.D. < 1331677253 295964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and the reverse :) < 1331677268 110966 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bagels, are we talking about bagels now? < 1331677269 779543 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today we learn that oerjan doesn't know what a bagel is. < 1331677273 559472 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bagels bagels bagels < 1331677310 288465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the thing I don't like about self-BCT is that it has an IP < 1331677318 470689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :separate to the notion of a leftmost bit < 1331677327 401222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto for Clue (Keymaker) < 1331677667 331672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, wait, hmm < 1331677673 54657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does self-BCT have a separate IP? < 1331677674 360002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell < 1331677678 815037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331677705 330061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty clear from the trace example < 1331677731 196042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1331677785 138170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1331677800 430825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x -> x0 < 1331677800 592730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x -> xx1 < 1331677800 592930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11x -> x1 < 1331677805 59240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP TC OR NOT TC < 1331677811 627940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows how to get oerjan to do things.
< 1331677842 761695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm this is a rewriting system of sorts? and x is any string? < 1331677899 494286 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-51.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331677901 176195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every step, it examines the first bits according to the above pattern, and does the appropriate replacement, then starts again < 1331677902 348330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x is any bit < 1331677912 515993 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-108.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331677919 459108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so just one bit < 1331677938 748917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that makes it clearly a pushdown automaton. < 1331677951 39842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so e.g. 0110 -> 1010 -> 1110 -> 110 -> 01 -> 10 -> 111 < 1331677958 829177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> 11 < 1331677966 510365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cyclic) < 1331677988 511886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm, -> 1 i think < 1331677991 472279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing, anyway < 1331678001 55949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: even if it's cyclic? < 1331678027 648153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so that's sent to the end? < 1331678041 214111 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331678041 376357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i'm not sure what you mean by sent to the end < 1331678056 226901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the pattern-matching process reaches the end of the string, it wraps around, so to speak < 1331678059 860822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you are not saying where the _rest_ of the string ends up < 1331678065 865470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it says the same. < 1331678070 280833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x* -> x0* < 1331678071 968938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x -> xx1* < 1331678074 288814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1331678076 272134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x* -> xx1* < 1331678077 849018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11x* -> x1* < 1331678082 74700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where * is all the rest of the bits < 1331678100 443497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and the pattern is always the leftmost bits? then it's a pushdown automaton. < 1331678124 293472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it isn't, then you still have a separate ip like self-bct < 1331678130 484609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... right < 1331678136 937704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIRST ATTEMPT: FAILED < 1331678140 251330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1331678155 87802 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1331678197 951088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, is it actually possible for admins to see deleted revisions of images? < 1331678214 648657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure; it used not to be, but that mat have changed < 1331678294 276234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible for admins to see deleted people? < 1331678311 659464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SEE DELETED PEOPLE < 1331678314 638257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, i think what i want is impossible < 1331678332 547180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the thing i didn't like about self-bct/keymaker-clue was that they had "non-local" modifications < 1331678348 731961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i was thinking if you do 0x* -> *x0 instead... < 1331678349 634847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :keymaker-clue adds things to the "beginning of the string", away from the IP < 1331678357 592672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-BCT deletes the left of the string < 1331678364 859371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted a possibly-TC language where everything was "local" to the IP < 1331678384 220653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that could work. and /arguably/ doesn't violate my local requirement... < 1331678386 388802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, yes it does < 1331678393 791565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's equivalent to deleting the first few chars and appending to the end of the program < 1331678394 951396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you consider it a cycle, then doing things both at the beginning and end is still local < 1331678403 853035 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331678408 640739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1331678446 358825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and afair tag systems with a fixed program are like that, so _some_ set of rules for this will be tc. < 1331678455 496635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x* -> *x0 < 1331678455 658951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x* -> xx1* < 1331678455 659181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11x* -> x1* < 1331678457 306905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this, then < 1331678490 418806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1331678503 940131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0110 -> 1010 < 1331678512 627959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> 1110 < 1331678592 941732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> 110 < 1331678604 141778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> 01 < 1331678620 331285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> 10 -> 01 -> ... < 1331678626 454841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's the huh for, btw? < 1331678723 261804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh hm i think this doesn't work because the number of 0s is always <= < 1331678731 537206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead < 1331678732 94300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x* -> *x0 < 1331678732 256394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x* -> xx1* < 1331678732 256570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11x* -> x0* < 1331678740 146175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but then the same applies to 1s :P < 1331678753 650095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it doesn't < 1331678758 580193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it didn't apply to the original either < 1331678759 653935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my huh was because most of your rules still do things only at the beginning. i wasn't thinking like that. < 1331678785 547280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... 100 -> 001 -> 100 -> 001 -> ... < 1331678787 888685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the original rules) < 1331678794 899824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right. < 1331678843 984927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original never increases no. of 0's < 1331678877 82967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0x* -> *x0 < 1331678877 244928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10x* -> xx1* < 1331678877 245117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11x* -> x1* < 1331678880 844965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what i meant by original < 1331678884 406956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll start actually versoning them < 1331678892 688529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes so did i < 1331678900 852424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1331678904 205800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 doesn't increase number of 0s < 1331678906 221945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it eats an 0 too < 1331678916 182104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let's call this v0: < 1331678916 573603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x* -> *x0 < 1331678916 735369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x* -> x*x1 < 1331678916 735564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11x* -> x0* < 1331678938 38781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 -> 001 -> 100 -> 001 -> ... again < 1331678956 382741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1100 -> 000 -> 000 < 1331679011 470503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention _none_ of your suggestions increase the length of the string. < 1331679029 985769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm 10x* -> x*x1 does. < 1331679039 348224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't < 1331679271 990177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1331679275 903424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry, i'm an idiot. < 1331679347 617447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, let me try this again :P < 1331679364 808454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x* -> *x < 1331679364 970466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1x* -> xx*1 < 1331679364 970673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm, broken < 1331679368 32558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all seems a little random. < 1331679370 993452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never decreases # of 1s < 1331679380 648990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes :( < 1331679389 113302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to simplify it there. < 1331679495 929070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um 11* -> 11*1 does increase < 1331679508 503009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you said decrease < 1331679530 446254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not _necessarily fatal, see sqeql < 1331679533 247767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+_ < 1331679543 803989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1331679588 379645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1101 -> [1|1]01 -> 11011 -> [1|1]011 -> 110111 -> ok this one is obvious < 1331679739 378783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :011 -> [0|1]1 -> 11 -> [1|1] -> 111 < 1331679750 58490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> [1|1]1 -> 1111 < 1331679758 435010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> [1|1]11 -> 11111 -> obvious < 1331679775 186657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure they all just start spamming 1s eventually < 1331679853 792770 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.158 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331679892 926685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 - 001 - 10 - ... < 1331679923 141677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it's terribly interesting, but it doesn't spam 1s. < 1331679990 306683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, "anything with more than a negligble amount of 1s starts spamming 1s eventually". < 1331680050 880750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :101010 - 0010101 - 101010 - ... and that can have an arbitrary amount of 1s. :p < 1331680092 155070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew you'd do that. < 1331680107 547924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're like speech recognition software. < 1331680110 538085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unforgiving and stupid. :( < 1331680255 783455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is what they call a "burn". < 1331680291 264649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :10100 - 001001 - 10010 - 000101 - 01010 - 0101 - 010 - 01 - 1 - don't know where to go from there. < 1331680566 660666 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you recognize all patterns that won't halt? < 1331680595 195137 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they always repeating? < 1331680699 17062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's cycli. < 1331680712 585671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 1 falls under the 1x* rule, with x=1. < 1331680723 945618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turning into 111. < 1331680875 373289 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I compile a C++ program with -g, what's a simple way to match instructions to source code lines? < 1331680896 233001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb < 1331680904 919583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you said simple. < 1331680945 165999 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roll your own DWARF reader < 1331681068 388884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask the assembler to make a listing for you, with source lines as comments. < 1331681115 610736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask rms. < 1331681182 140965 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask rjs. < 1331681187 62946 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION zooooom!
< 1331681195 26467 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, I wasn't compiling with -g. < 1331681212 588234 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Enjoy an hour and a half of recompiling to get that option in place. < 1331681268 987110 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: This is one file. < 1331681274 800201 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a few hundred lines. < 1331681297 759994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still! It's a minute per line! < 1331681300 101774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> sleep
< 1331681301 85227 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331681305 570965 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them are comments. < 1331681315 541126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even so. < 1331681346 815062 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not most. < 1331681467 272120 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why is lea 0x1(%rdx),%r8d taking 90% of the program's CPU time? < 1331681489 281492 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't make sense. Maybe it's the line right before. < 1331681495 201710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You increment a lot, maybe. < 1331681606 604241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sir incsalot < 1331681656 163298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Per-instruction timings, are, like, so *fancy*. (--Mr. just-instruments-functions-with-gprof.) < 1331681786 289952 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only I had functions. :-( < 1331681793 871808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Speaking of nothing at all (but web'o'flies ~~ strace), I heard resize2fs breaks down if you try to run it under strace. < 1331681810 665096 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY, STRACE < 1331681822 121123 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran gdb under strace yesterday. < 1331681838 996820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran strace under gdb under strace yesterday. < 1331681843 340550 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta try debugging gdb with gdb one time < 1331681890 179850 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, *some time < 1331681905 693532 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to figure out how gdb implements "call" < 1331681923 446474 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like how it does print, but without the printing part < 1331681953 232408 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that call *does* print the result. < 1331681966 312531 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But fine. I was trying to figure out how gdb implements "print". < 1331681974 560445 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :call prints too? < 1331681991 351080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a thing called SystemTap which is, like, the fanciest thing since sliced bread when it comes to tracing, http://sourceware.org/systemtap/tutorial/Tracing.html < 1331681996 255283 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe call just has the option not to print, so that it can handle functions without return values < 1331682005 756185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: weird; why would an ext2 resizer break under strace? < 1331682022 368004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only thing I can think of is that it has timing-sensitive critical sections, or something < 1331682038 333521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it should be impossible to ptrace a process at realtime priority < 1331682077 259065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Reads from disk normally are never short except in the case of disk < 1331682077 460158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :errors. strace causes this not to be true, but I don't intend to "fix" < 1331682077 460360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :this. < 1331682080 97528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1331682103 678863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writes Ted Ts'o, and closes the bug as wontfix. < 1331682119 727154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why strace would cause short reads < 1331682132 293903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: re SystemTap: Pah, it should just . < 1331682156 871663 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331682162 411464 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-108.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331682166 664222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that won't fit into 510 characters when we run the rewrite script! < 1331682166 891265 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331682193 712156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: the @ log rewrite script necessarily has to be AI-complete, given the job we're trying to get it to do; it has to delete this line, for instance) < 1331682218 376108 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331682219 759589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's how the world ends. < 1331682242 553217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the rewrite script deciding that it has to delete all of humanity < 1331682268 735220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, no < 1331682278 136694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is not the rewrite script's problem if you said nonsense in 2012. < 1331682299 528737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: doesn't it have to hide the fact it existed? < 1331682312 849301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1331682355 337129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It was in the context of attaching strace to a running process; maybe that could interrupt a read? < 1331682516 465862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's read from an actual disk is something that can normally be interrupted, but maybe ptrace's special. < 1331682528 691429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it's/a/ < 1331682552 478652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Your speech recognition software can read regexps? < 1331682724 55471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Semi-protected for a period of 11218573000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Planck times. After 11218573000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Planck times the page will be automatically unprotected." < 1331682727 154092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--WP < 1331683014 105753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 11218573000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Planck times -> seconds < 1331683025 934951 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "Planck". \ Warning: undefined symbol "times". \ Warning: undefined symbol "Planck". \ Warning: undefined symbol "times". \ Unconvertable expression: \ 11218573000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Planck (undefined symbol) times (undefined symbol) -> 1 s (time) < 1331683049 706383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1331683069 673565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink planck time < 1331683080 728454 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "time". \ 1 m^2 s^-1 kg (angular_momentum) time (undefined symbol) < 1331683102 226370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink planck < 1331683112 574036 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 m^2 s^-1 kg (angular_momentum) < 1331683152 612989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an official unit? < 1331683159 675471 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.158 JOIN :#esoteric