< 1330819495 40917 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodbye < 1330819499 21479 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will always love you < 1330819516 542145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1330819521 620378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stay and hate us instead < 1330819556 339166 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if spain is as boring as it sounds, i'll probably come back tomorrow < 1330819561 419110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1330819574 753178 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1330819577 141933 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi QUIT : < 1330819577 367077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well have a good trip then < 1330819579 896017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1330819632 89842 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1330819974 258575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: two, in fact < 1330819996 894781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the treadmill on wheels thing is ridiculous :) < 1330820013 621552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me a while to figure out if it'd go forwards or backwards < 1330820031 146689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forwards if the wheels rub against the treadmill belt, backwards if they're connected to the treadmill's rollers) < 1330820191 176389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls there was a treadmill accident in terry pratchett's Eric, i think it may have been caused by the Luggage getting on it
< 1330820210 940874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall if it went backwards or forwards < 1330820347 493133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330820941 536081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Gsoc away | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ has moved servers! Fuck you! < 1330820949 411104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear it's all the rage < 1330820991 541278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what _was_ gosc again. < 1330821215 864079 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330822156 25992 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, thingy to VHDL translatior < 1330822157 829771 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :translator < 1330822213 46314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1330822926 413332 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330824230 573803 :cswords__!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330824462 234596 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1330824674 67070 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-039-207.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330824862 299924 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-051-060.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1330825850 381976 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1330825878 560801 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1330826854 408547 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 NICK :WRISTWATCH_ZOMBI < 1330826868 504011 :WRISTWATCH_ZOMBI!~tswett@171.64.42.221 NICK :tswett < 1330826924 754069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clock is ticking to the end < 1330826929 554540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*toward < 1330827308 299351 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 minutes to midnight. < 1330827366 416360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink light year / (38000 miles / hour) < 1330827384 74001 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.5691050870714991331e+11 s (time) < 1330827392 721429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1330827398 374456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink light year / (38000 miles / hour) -> years < 1330827410 73853 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :17647.806036431450853 < 1330827443 37094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :voyager 1 isn't approaching anywhere new in a while < 1330827451 882046 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1330827474 935539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/02/2012228912705553.html) < 1330827499 429275 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This C API has sort of an implicit global variable. If I replace that with a CL global variable, I think that's actually thread-safer, because each thread maintains its own copy of the variable? < 1330827539 879570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea if common lisp does that, but it sounds weird < 1330827638 782084 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink c / (38000 miles / hour) < 1330827647 477331 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3747405725/212344 (approx. 17647.80603643145) < 1330827656 634102 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink c < 1330827667 749030 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :299792458 m s^-1 (velocity) < 1330827776 645339 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be implementation dependent < 1330828102 953937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 30 years * 38000 miles / hour -> light hours < 1330828113 437270 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :14.901250760544728068 < 1330828433 434235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads that article's point about inbreeding and thinks that an interstellar mission needs to bring a large sperm / egg bank
< 1330828443 961137 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows, there could be aliens RIGHT IN THE KUIPER BELT < 1330828489 351812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: waiting for humanity to reach outside the solar system before they violate their prime directive, or something < 1330828554 652289 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.terrybisson.com/page6/page6.html < 1330828829 977593 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, inbreeding amplifies latent mutant powers < 1330828893 931754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: also diseases. < 1330828928 101804 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can move my arms with the power of my mind. < 1330828939 161026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there _are_ some surprisingly healthy inbred villages, but they've presumably been noticed because they're so rare < 1330828969 818395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, you need to have the luck _not_ to have any major diseases in your pool. < 1330829012 291232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was this one in italy i read about, don't remember exactly where < 1330829046 272766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with long life spans despite not living unusually healthy < 1330829059 303592 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Where are you in the family digraph?” < 1330829142 307461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1330829260 197650 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330829261 927348 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is kind of an alien life form right here in my fridge. it might be too late they already demand the equality and voting right < 1330829270 144998 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1330829323 655621 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You left something in your fridge for twenty-one years? < 1330829346 647709 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might have been there before time even started! < 1330829361 669684 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: You can demand those things at any age. < 1330829391 579726 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but if they're not old enough, you can just tell them off and ground them. < 1330829434 755979 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything in your refrigerator capable to demand equality and voting right? < 1330829480 718542 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is evidence of an uprising species < 1330829599 269658 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330829844 280401 :cswords__!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1330829909 831889 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :respecting the main directive of the federal starfleet, i did not mean to disturb their evolution till they invent their first warp drive < 1330829914 479162 :Friendship!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Is there anything in YOUR refrigerator capable to demand equality and voting right? | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ has moved servers! Fuck you! < 1330829930 847233 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1330829983 102970 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330830064 87631 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship < 1330830103 509991 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's me! < 1330830120 432827 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least find a solution for the rieman hypothesis < 1330830234 472575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: what's wrong with fermat's theorem, really? HI ALIENS DO YOU HEAR ME WE SOLVED FERMAT'S LAST THEOREM < 1330830259 588998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the classification of finite simple groups. < 1330830325 840672 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A classification of finite simple groups won't fit in his fridge < 1330830361 316332 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest, i found this nice shot of a captcha that might be difficult to solve -> http://oi32.tinypic.com/2co0ehh.jpg ..just in case you do not already know it < 1330830366 124726 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's just another reason to want to spead out of it, thne. < 1330830370 766850 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*then < 1330830434 83480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this nice solution but it's too small to fit in the answering form < 1330830446 738466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait did i say small < 1330830454 348621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess small it is, then. < 1330830521 760028 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try to enter it in the password field < 1330830562 930074 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :On that matter, password fields are so marginalizing < 1330830595 378405 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them won't accept a SHA-1 digest because it doesn't contain punctuation marks < 1330830630 434766 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then punctuate the SHA-1 digest. < 1330831000 85910 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330831561 385907 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnVoKSf021k < 1330831901 229200 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330832414 541518 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what PSOX would be like in Common Lisp < 1330832640 129031 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1330832642 973418 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai < 1330832647 937912 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hail eris < 1330832686 167437 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :guards, dynamically dispatch this putrid finger tree! < 1330832719 528081 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points to hagb4rd.
< 1330837440 423537 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There was Eru, the One, who in Arda is called Ilúvatar; and he made first the Ainur, the Holy Ones, that were the offspring of his thought, and they were with him before aught else was made. And he spoke to them, propounding to them themes of music; and they sang before him, and he was glad." < 1330837442 687836 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ * ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5XMewJR3k0&fmt=18 ~ * ~ < 1330837497 247286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pelts hagb4rd with lembas
< 1330837512 686767 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1330837585 636077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote [a]is523>.*obscure.*obscure < 1330837588 727772 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1330837593 209721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1330837611 427787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote [a]is523>.*inside.*obscure < 1330837614 710862 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1330837619 647467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1330837625 995947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [a]is523>.*inside.*obscure < 1330837636 955253 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hannon le, tôr nín! < 1330837658 662428 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1330837666 327291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [a]is523>.*obscure.*obscure < 1330837681 31084 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1330837687 488534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1330837718 939081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [a]is523.*obscure < 1330837726 924890 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-07-22.txt:20:14:13: probably a really obscure method involving libraries < 1330837731 718129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [a]is523.*obscure < 1330837739 343758 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-03-03.txt:16:09:09: ais523_: ## is not obscure!! < 1330837745 410457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog [a]is523.*obscure < 1330837756 265563 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.17281 < 1330837764 845401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess he must have used more obscure words < 1330837828 689880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [a]is523.*reference.*obscure < 1330837837 626849 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-01.txt:21:31:28: (on another note, I love the way that the standard way to indicate that you get a reference is to make a different obscure reference to the same thing) < 1330837910 351506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a bit too much work. < 1330838428 610320 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow like in c.g.jungs synchronicity <- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity < 1330838803 984805 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1330838827 913482 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: That's a good music thing, but the mp3bounce site linked too seems to be a stupid spam type web page? < 1330838863 169825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows about synchronicity but doesn't see how that applies here
< 1330838879 839958 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330838898 567223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're just saying it's analogous i guess < 1330838902 79652 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mdude.. the site isn't anymore sorry < 1330839007 704222 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do I go to tell linux not to start a particular daemon? < 1330839011 993714 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(specifically, Debian) < 1330839035 777451 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see etc/rc.d directories but I'm afraid to touch them. < 1330839042 596701 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thats what actually happend reflecting on the hard earn quote.. sorry for the eventually missing causality :p < 1330839044 269553 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the filler page is more creative than jsut naother "what you need, when you need it" list. < 1330839057 713585 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just another < 1330839136 847000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it _is_ an acausal principle. < 1330839157 591029 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep ;) < 1330839210 276920 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we don't know for sure yet < 1330839697 799795 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mdude: if you liked this, make sure you find the time to check out the music of 'apparat'..and the cooperative work of modeselektor and apparat -> _moderat_ < 1330839801 52041 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here one last track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R6SV-4bd-0&fmt=18 < 1330839825 898803 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the amazing album: shitkatapult < 1330840419 352012 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's alright, but didn't really hold my attention as well as the other one. < 1330840456 178175 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take a look at this stuff when I'm less falling asleep. < 1330840592 451752 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1330840980 401314 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330841176 282013 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... now emacs is basically the only thing I use that looks really really ugly in xmonad < 1330841179 357628 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else looks pretty nice. < 1330841193 553444 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :libreoffice is kind of mediocre. < 1330842878 116872 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330843515 909651 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: bye < 1330847752 638696 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330848427 527261 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, kallisti monqy UPDATE < 1330848505 815336 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Homestuck is on PUASE < 1330848556 829954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had to get stuck eventually < 1330848643 352932 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, [citation needede] < 1330848652 960991 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's olde Englishe.) < 1330848672 840032 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/18716755896/puase < 1330849523 293652 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330849986 675716 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330849994 537266 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-226-145.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1330855313 141541 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1330855782 858229 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330856198 853939 :kallisti!~eris@h130.9.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330856199 131128 :kallisti!~eris@h130.9.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1330856199 317740 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1330857768 722222 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f504.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1330858075 791113 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fce8.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330859812 789910 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1330860686 657427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1330860694 760977 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1330861179 804072 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1330861291 923763 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1330862028 934655 :Friendship!codu@codu.org QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1330862070 568715 :Friendship!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1330862256 841431 :Friendship!codu@codu.org QUIT :Excess Flood < 1330862267 620199 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1330862482 522453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I didn't realise that it's been three weeks since the last Prequel update. < 1330862831 133478 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-240-182.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1330862835 94249 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-240-182.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am disappoint < 1330862872 401602 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, Kazerad does say in the comments that he should move onto a more rapid update schedule. < 1330862885 876172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no matter what, it's still better than Dresden Codak. < 1330863065 275072 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-240-182.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dresden Codak suffers from the Webcomic Disease < 1330863080 998991 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-240-182.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going from a quirky humorous webcomic to a dark and gritty tragic one < 1330863102 415536 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is in turn just a symptom of Pretentious Creator Disease. < 1330863203 263919 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :Excess Flood < 1330863208 35979 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1330863215 947416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor returns! < 1330863236 667034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is freed from the endless torment. < 1330863342 535037 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1330863432 69681 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, how can you be freed from endless torment. < 1330863763 235404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it's the "lite" version of endless torment. < 1330863890 25406 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds even worse. < 1330863902 498050 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endless torment with a cloying aftertaste. < 1330864200 524967 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :Friendship < 1330864337 267451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330864418 838300 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330864665 42889 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor does not return. < 1330864667 909145 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is Friendship. < 1330864670 674286 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Friendship is Magic. < 1330864942 751381 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore Magic does not return. < 1330864955 360632 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... whoops. < 1330865615 10990 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-20.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330865623 494519 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-20.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1330866615 324366 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-90-20.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: lunch < 1330869972 310701 :Taneb!02635a14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330869978 836348 :Taneb!02635a14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1330869993 252870 :Taneb!02635a14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could "11" be considered a BCT Truth-machine? < 1330870010 949649 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-240-182.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's 11 < 1330870019 801790 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, elliott says sorry, also that it's like being force-fed chocolate so it doesn't count for Lent. < 1330870081 233500 :Taneb!02635a14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott It's okay, I didn't click the link. But then DMM got me instead. Graaah! < 1330870081 422117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1330870119 133810 :Taneb!02635a14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 11 will add a one to the data string if it starts with 1, otherwise leave it be. < 1330870128 549450 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of all the people who could be more dickish than elliott, DMM is... not the one I'd think of. < 1330870156 812014 :Taneb!02635a14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He disguised the link as an annotation to Darths and Droids. < 1330870164 752612 :Taneb!02635a14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it could be any of the Comic Irregulars... < 1330870199 45526 :Taneb!02635a14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHELLSHEAR!!! < 1330870335 983025 :Taneb!02635a14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah... my original question... < 1330870342 116854 :Taneb!02635a14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could it be considered a Truth-machine? < 1330870350 331270 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in other words you're on your guard for URL shortener links and server-side redirections, but not a plain link to Wikipedia in an annotation written by people who constantly link to WP? < 1330870362 248088 :Taneb!02635a14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1330870371 656541 :Taneb!02635a14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I clicked it automatically! < 1330870389 681278 :Taneb!02635a14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And didn't realize until I was half way through the page! < 1330871201 144348 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1330872003 332940 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D382.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330872609 944221 :Taneb!02635a14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.90.20 QUIT : < 1330876410 990269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1330876421 756528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Basic_Input/Output_Commander&diff=30876&oldid=30856 < 1330876421 945001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1330876439 556259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Basic_Input/Output_Commander&diff=next&oldid=30876 < 1330876442 84794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wt < 1330876442 417708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1330877048 877933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :// TODO: add support for [ and ] < 1330877050 775232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha ha ha. < 1330877891 308026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's worth noting that no useful language can remove all undefined behaviour; Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem, and its applications to computer science, tell us that in general you can't determine whether a method will complete, or whether a program can run indefinitely without running out of resources." < 1330877896 985857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE FUCK < 1330877926 12921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the absolute height of Gödel-Turing software engineer woo. < 1330877955 897924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :It's worth noting that no useful language can remove all undefined behaviour; Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem, and its applications to computer science, tell us that in general you can't determine whether a method will complete, or whether a program can run indefinitely without running out of resources. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ has moved servers! < 1330877956 84700 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1330878018 719312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS NOBODY OBJECTING TO THAT SENTENCE IN THE COMEMNTS < 1330878043 832899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:29:47: bleh, why doesn't tab-complete work in mkdir for the name of the new directory < 1330878047 604343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to do this a lot. < 1330878103 80067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:29:51: wait, what _was_ gosc again. < 1330878128 226268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan gosc is the compiler ais523 talks about a lot from idealised ALGOL (with lambdas) to VHDL < 1330878128 414391 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1330878181 94510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:18:19: This C API has sort of an implicit global variable. If I replace that with a CL global variable, I think that's actually thread-safer, because each thread maintains its own copy of the variable? < 1330878185 617791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Common Lisp does not have threads. < 1330878310 806691 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thread, one variable - then each thread has its own copy of the global variable :) < 1330878331 20923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very true! < 1330878333 291386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra thread-safe, that. < 1330878385 862071 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the only way to write actually thread-safe code < 1330878497 892364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:03:54: hagb4rd: what's wrong with fermat's theorem, really? HI ALIENS DO YOU HEAR ME WE SOLVED FERMAT'S LAST THEOREM < 1330878498 79308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:04:19: also the classification of finite simple groups. < 1330878522 619585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, only Goldbach, Collatz, Riemann and [REDACTED] to go before the aliens consider us intelligent enough to make contact < 1330878561 315523 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accomplish thread safety with loops and strings < 1330878577 14395 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it likely that another intelligent species would discover and solve these problems in the same order as us? < 1330878609 725705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: who said anything about order? < 1330878638 172454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're well-known among the intergalactic community as the most basic level of mathematical problems < 1330878645 516392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost all species solve them within 10 years of starting out < 1330878652 667393 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., why would they care about goldbach, collatz and riemann, when they might not even know that those are problems worth solving yet < 1330878659 695102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:20:28: somehow like in c.g.jungs synchronicity <- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity < 1330878659 881559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ahem* < 1330878660 281007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Sch%C3%A9ma_synchronicit%C3%A9_in_English.png < 1330878683 904091 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they'd be pretty disappointed to find that we have made nearly no progress in the n-body problem. < 1330878687 564176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: of course they're not worth solving, it's like requiring that the species you contact can spell the alphabet < 1330878709 144320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see, once we solve those another civilisation will adopt us for the next few billion years < 1330878717 46990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :until we start actually being useful < 1330878746 67121 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that we don't actually use one language yet < 1330878768 652674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: We should really be on the zero language stage by now. < 1330878791 802049 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :We probably were, up till a few thousand years ago < 1330878815 550173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: No, we grunted and stuff then! That's totally a language. < 1330878828 26814 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telepathy sounds like it would have weird societal impli- you pig! < 1330878893 53349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telepathy??? I don't think you understand, we're meant to start hating each other and stop communicating entirely. < 1330878897 134388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the Way of the Species. < 1330879089 241340 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, who /topic'd this topic and how true/actually-makes-sense-at-all is it intended to be >_> <_< < 1330879151 159237 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/topic #esoteric < 1330879159 16545 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :** set by elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott (Sun Mar 04 08:17:22 2012) < 1330879168 998222 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet TOPIC #esoteric :Soup of the Day: Word Salad. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ has moved servers! < 1330879176 97998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: "It's worth noting that no useful language can remove all undefined behaviour; Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem, and its applications to computer science, tell us that in general you can't determine whether a method will complete, or whether a program can run indefinitely without running out of resources." < 1330879176 284711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : WHAT THE FUCK < 1330879176 284813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : This is the absolute height of Gödel-Turing software engineer woo. < 1330879182 287389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: NO. It must stay. As a monument. < 1330879185 912261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only set it like half an hour ago! < 1330879190 434440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :It's worth noting that no useful language can remove all undefined behaviour; Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem, and its applications to computer science, tell us that in general you can't determine whether a method will complete, or whether a program can run indefinitely without running out of resources. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ has moved servers! < 1330879196 214274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must fuel my hatred for humanity. < 1330879219 793021 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like the conflation of "well-defined" and ... whatever the hell he's talking about, to which I can't even assign a word ... < 1330879237 325316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Anyway, it clearly makes perfect sense; since the incompleteness theorem is true, it's equivalent to the Halting problem, which proves that you can't determine whether a method will complete, or whether a program can run indefinitely without running out of resources. < 1330879254 550441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: This is the same thing as undefined behaviour because [IRC message too small to contain proof]. < 1330879255 986602 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's change the subject < 1330879263 762924 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone ever been so far as to... < 1330879263 949656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: wat < 1330879271 264451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1330879286 261146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: This was in the context to a rebuttal of the C++ FQA, btw. < 1330879290 425677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*context of < 1330879298 767080 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wowsa < 1330879299 411492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Objecting to the complaint that C++ has no runtime safety. < 1330879343 307098 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fuse-seat-belts < 1330879346 857437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: I assume this means that there's some diabolical Gödel Python program that inherently causes segfaults. < 1330879358 425126 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Must be < 1330879359 300009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On ANY implementation. Even if you implement it in the lambda calculus. < 1330879390 858776 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, in the best traditions of "undefined behavior", the lambda calculus can launch the nukes. < 1330879395 19135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Why would you fuse your seatbelts? < 1330879403 69584 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-vomit-frame-pointer < 1330879422 659079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Causing serious international side-effects. < 1330879431 553851 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :seatbelt fusion, it's the dog's bollocks < 1330879433 645280 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Wall-of-text < 1330879434 919484 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods sagely.
< 1330879447 397340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's an SPJ quote, everybody clap in unison.) < 1330879455 239483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sounds the SPJ quote alarm.
< 1330879463 28200 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody clap in comic sans < 1330880755 705047 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Friendship: I assume this means that there's some diabolical G�del Python program that inherently causes segfaults. < 1330880780 660266 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think there was, given the way Hofstadter portrays it. < 1330881184 450221 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, how hard can it be to find a bug in Python? < 1330881758 455548 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1330884004 210161 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1330884243 105739 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, DM of the Rings is way shorter than I expected. < 1330884405 590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even shorter than the book. < 1330884440 743147 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It comes in non-book form?? < 1330884545 53278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The LOTR book, I mean. < 1330884596 626713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wasn't it a webcomic? < 1330884610 286394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google suggests a: yes. < 1330884638 257369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's possibly a subclass of "book". I mean, it has pages. < 1330884675 610138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Virtual memory systems are books too.) < 1330884701 50659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So by the Liskov substitution principle, you can read virtual memory systems. < 1330885034 196930 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330885204 36299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well sorry the version that was on the link is not the same I was actually working on, I pushed the current version on github and that gets me the error displayed before." < 1330885218 356806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Phantom_Hoover, can you help me fix a problem with my code? Here's some other code to help you. < 1330886001 683226 :brisingr!~brisingr@79.117.64.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330887012 269729 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :iambored < 1330887654 564735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330888056 492901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1330888077 55336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1330888143 816311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1330888160 611168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees no need to continue the pattern
< 1330888176 497034 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1330888177 675243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means you lose :'( < 1330888876 254799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm < 1330888884 447862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I fixed the permissions problem in Web of Lies, anyway < 1330888903 640988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by soft-dropping permissions, and temporarily undropping them in the offending bit of code < 1330888922 799312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not /quite/ as secure, but the only bit that soft-drops is the control process, the other two still hard-drop < 1330888965 299916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be secure against non-malicious accidents; it just increases the attack surface somewhat for people trying to exploit suid weboflies, or whatever, and who'd be mad enough to suid it? < 1330889168 36031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't tempt me < 1330889183 491727 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1330889197 93134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover < 1330889200 152123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tempt you into what? < 1330889201 651688 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: Wasn't it a webcomic? < 1330889202 925480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suiding weboflies? < 1330889227 999889 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was attempting to imply that DMotR was the well-known book; I failed. < 1330889295 3896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1330889567 889429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I really need to do is get X working inside it < 1330889581 250018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I could trick X into thinking it's root; I wonder what would go wrong then < 1330889640 674630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way I can get X to just use the framebuffer for rendering? < 1330889644 843947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: X tries to talk to the graphics hardware, so... < 1330889646 981167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, Xvfb < 1330889651 61421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's part of KDrive < 1330889653 467019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is part of X.org nowadays < 1330889655 683205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a configure-time option < 1330889665 40495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's also Xephyr < 1330889668 808140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which runs an X server as an X window < 1330889672 675828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you probably already have it < 1330889679 801185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it works a a user) < 1330889680 718748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as < 1330889696 904671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, those both seem reasonable < 1330889702 856526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, Xvfb doesn't seem to be KDrive < 1330889711 614382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: search your distro for a package < 1330889715 541767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine has one < 1330889719 563273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one step ahead of you there :) < 1330889767 261358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better, I can't think of any reasonable reason for xvfb to need root < 1330889774 366515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't mean it won't, ofc < 1330889789 600313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it'll try to write to the framebuffer < 1330889793 327825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is usually owned by root :) < 1330889813 123320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xvfb is Xvfb. < 1330889817 215655 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :xvfb creates its own framebuffer, owned presumably by the user who started xvfb < 1330889828 968480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, duh < 1330889831 795132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virtual framebuffer. It's all in memory. < 1330889839 933666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, doesn't X have a normal framebuffer background too? < 1330889842 913821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*backend < 1330889851 91376 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtual framebuffer, it doesn't actually exist at all < 1330889864 594555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you could VNC into Xvfb or something, anyway :P < 1330889876 704031 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, x11vnc into xvfb works < 1330889888 103433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's what Wikipedia recommends < 1330889889 255364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xvnc would work equally well. :p < 1330889907 456959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also suggests using a screenshot program inside xvfb to get at the screen < 1330889920 576864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's distro doesn't have a package for Xvnc
< 1330889930 364844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a regular framebuffer graphics driver top, though. No idea about it's non-rootability. < 1330889935 105668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, Xvfb works as a user, I've used it < 1330889948 795864 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :might still be suid root < 1330889960 439995 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(haven't checked if it is or not) < 1330889971 565926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Xvnc" is what I think is a X server in the vncserver package. < 1330890053 430605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, xvfb has a command-line option to memory-map its framebuffer into a file < 1330890054 830181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no vncserver package
< 1330890058 378997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just libvncserver < 1330890064 728508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly what I was doing with the fake framebuffer in weboflies anyway < 1330890067 704707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: VNC sounds like less work :P < 1330890074 602195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the two graphics methods should be swappable trivially < 1330890093 470658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: using one command-line option to reduce it to a problem I've already solved is more work than VNC? < 1330890098 872683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1330890104 303691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"vnc4server" is one name; and "tightvncserver". < 1330890108 747574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I bet you haven't completely solved the problem yes :) < 1330890116 37287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, there's a tightvnc package < 1330890116 598031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yet < 1330890123 860712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, the specific problem that VNC would solve < 1330890133 399308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the whole thing, obviously < 1330890139 97285 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1330890146 452485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean, I bet the file has a different format, etc. < 1330890148 96003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, if this saga doesn't end with you running KDE in it, you've failed < 1330890157 970318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why KDE specifically? < 1330890180 169326 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dammit, I just remembered the Thing That Must Not Be Spoken Of About PA. < 1330890188 613585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well... it was still more of a hog than Gnome as of a short while ago < 1330890230 987440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Someone claims that Xorg with the fbdev graphics driver is doable as non-root assuming it can access all the necessary dev nodes: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2010/09/msg00091.html < 1330890256 857748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks; that's my fallback position if I can't get xvfb to work < 1330890264 345449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed it would be < 1330890284 33824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the /dev nodes don't actually exist, but I'm faking them by intercepting system calls involving them, so I can choose permissions arbitrarily < 1330890293 297663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like less work than Xvfb to me :p < 1330890348 895007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, it's how I got /dev/fb working < 1330890353 142366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was quite a bit of work < 1330890361 288102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: quite a few games actually run without X, using the framebuffer < 1330890367 483289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you typically get a bunch of graphical glitches < 1330890383 374592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the hard part's actually going to be emulating socketcall, IIRC X uses sockets to work < 1330890389 693208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, I just meant you wouldn't have to change your code at all < 1330890398 53704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes X uses sockets < 1330890422 553789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hmm, right, I wouldn't have to change it, apart from loading X somehow < 1330890429 104108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do have a framebuffer already handy, X+fbdev sounds reasonable. < 1330890444 464984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do < 1330890460 461961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite know how Xvfb usually does input; or do you have a fake mouse already? < 1330890463 804163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the framebuffer itself works fine; it's actually the keyboard I have the most trouble with, as I can't figure out what format it's in < 1330890467 473644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I don't see why weboflies couldn't just pretend to the running program that it's root < 1330890471 840644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was working on a fake mouse at the time < 1330890488 633895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it can, that's what I was going to do if I couldn't get X working as non-root < 1330890502 506806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but permissions checks are all over the place in syscalls, it'd take a bunch of work to fake comprehensively < 1330890507 114981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'd also mean figuring out what process X was < 1330890514 766013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, there's no problem to keep the checks around < 1330890527 585946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the program never actually /needs/ its root powers, you just need to make get* tell it it's root < 1330890533 803371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that its sanity-checks for being root pass < 1330890546 661110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :X can use /dev/input/eventN with the "evdev" format for both keyboard and mouse, that's probably the most... "orthogonal" format to do input in. < 1330890548 564761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the sanity checks are probably actually in startx < 1330890570 367746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the most common $DISPLAY value? :0.0? < 1330890578 41236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0 < 1330890587 5792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's :0 here < 1330890592 134374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but :0.0 is the same i think < 1330890595 34907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sudo ./weboflies ls /dev/input < 1330890597 575177 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-120-252.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1330890600 494116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ pty output: mice\x0d\x0a < 1330890646 155723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1330890652 887179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that \r\n isn't part of the filename < 1330890658 247339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed you had some internal counter severely fucked up < 1330890662 177483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sudo ./weboflies Xvfb :1 < 1330890672 507643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ pty output: _XSERVTransmkdir: ERROR: euid != 0,directory /tmp/.X11-unix will not be created.\x0d\x0a < 1330890679 86796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why it wanted to be root? < 1330890689 285782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to create the directory /tmp/.X11-unix? < 1330890697 985340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, apparently so < 1330890703 92618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why would it want to be root to do that? < 1330890709 415844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to create the directory /tmp/.X11-unix < 1330890719 318720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's the socket, it seems < 1330890726 963181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1330890729 446526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1330890733 695905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/.X11-unix/X0 < 1330890738 684935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains why it'd want to be root for /that/ < 1330890739 21662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it sets options on that socket that only root can set? < 1330890750 497296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that doesn't explain it fully if you ask me :) < 1330890752 559850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The eventN interface is I think the nicest of them, since it's all keyboards and mice and sticks unified, and you get the events in quasi-sensible structures instead of some silly protocols, like intellimouse-faked PS/2 or whatever. < 1330890755 161908 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe disable unix-socket stuff and make it listen on TCP instead? < 1330890775 184408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, there's a lot of "WARNING: Unknown syscall 102" there < 1330890780 383078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evdev is the conventional thing nowadays methinks < 1330890785 833731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I believe my keyboard and mouse are through evdev < 1330890789 747966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then a couple of "unexpected signal 11" < 1330890791 581921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that segfault? < 1330890795 29560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1330890795 903888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1330890798 687638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1330890799 530031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't think ais523 has TCP either < 1330890807 149733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, using a high TCP port would avoid the root requirement, perhaps < 1330890815 472329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: TCP and unix-socket go through the same syscall, which I haven't implemented < 1330890819 768240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :102 is socketcall, indeed < 1330890839 375799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know, I have a text file of syscals < 1330890839 912386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*syscalls < 1330890844 30463 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, I think you need to implement that syscall then :> < 1330890848 828791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :together with timing properties, and why they have or haven't been implemented < 1330890851 684762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I know < 1330890864 692524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, it's mostly undocumented < 1330890873 222567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing *inherently* root-requiring when it comes to Unix sockets, though. < 1330890900 26384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You should be doing this on a BSD, they don't mux all socket stuff through a single syscall. < 1330890911 86432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why not just forward socketcall without processing to test it? < 1330890916 113307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then make it secure when you know it works < 1330890918 432465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the man page says it's the syscall that implements accept, bind, connect, getpeername, getsockname, getsockopt, listen, recv, recvfrom, recvmsg, send, sendmsg, sendto, setsockopt, shutdown, socket, socketpair < 1330890920 66735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the format < 1330890932 262276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's what weboflies does do on unknown syscalls < 1330890938 842019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently it makes xvfb segfault < 1330890956 650708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've heard the Linux source code has been leaked, maybe you could sneak a peek. < 1330890957 514200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, the segfault's probably unrelated, it's probably assuming something that isn't actually true) < 1330890978 56945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have also dived into kernel source quite a bit for figuring out this sort of thing < 1330890984 247722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can hardly do that in a few minutes while eating dinner < 1330890986 173361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: that's what weboflies does do on unknown syscalls < 1330890991 423353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, it clearly doesn't forward 102 < 1330890999 155531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :given "WARNING: Unknown syscall 102"? < 1330891005 581817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it warns and then forwards < 1330891009 275667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1330891013 73292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the warning is breaking it :) < 1330891013 260174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the warning means it's being forwarded without knowing the implications < 1330891143 75568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, it's being printed to stdout of the host process, which isn't part of the anonymous fs at all < 1330891231 317808 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1330891604 503980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523@desert:~/weboflies$ ln -s Xvfb_screen0 /tmp/Xvfb_screen0.xwd < 1330891605 822680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523@desert:~/weboflies$ convert /tmp/Xvfb_screen0.xwd /tmp/t.png < 1330891607 414661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523@desert:~/weboflies$ eog /tmp/t.png < 1330891617 176238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Xvfb is definitely working outside weboflies < 1330891674 374413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1330891696 56259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what does t.png look like? < 1330891716 917153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a black screen with an xterm in the top-left corner < 1330891730 760356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were meant to be two of them, but I hadn't started a window manager < 1330891738 949358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess they overlapped exactly < 1330891749 274475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wtfqrcodes.com/post/18730127220/my-throat-hurts-from-sighing-the-hardest-ive-ever < 1330892212 110539 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in hindsight, they should've thought about that kind of error when designing the qr code < 1330892394 296639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In hindsight, they should not have designed the QR code. < 1330892421 312081 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1330892519 883654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's useless and stupid? < 1330892565 627077 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a way to distribute URL:s across the "real world" that is much more convenient than typing the url yourself < 1330892607 331155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For values of "convenient" equal to "highly dependent on lighting conditions and position". < 1330892637 991762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they're hideous, and much bigger than simply, e.g. buying a domain name and putting it on whatever it is you're putting it on. < 1330892638 473176 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-248-14.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330892647 105962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, nobody actually scans them. < 1330892670 11592 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the people who make them don't know how and do it wrong, and the people who scan them are disappointed 140% of the time. < 1330892692 844746 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember some company putting a QR code on a T-shirt, except it was white-on-black so it didn't actually work. < 1330892700 231282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this site has screenshots of WEBSITES AND EMAILS with QR codes in them, and at that point I think we just have to go back in time and stop that ever happening. < 1330892723 328636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FINALLY they've invented something which lets you go from websites to OTHER WEBSITES!" < 1330892802 533721 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The moment we've all been waiting for!" < 1330892836 914077 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :QR codes that least to gopher pages: Best idea? < 1330892880 903065 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :QR codes that least to lmgtfy.com: Best idea? < 1330892954 406857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : QR codes that least to gopher pages: Best idea? < 1330892958 666502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Shhh! zzo38 is online! < 1330892999 817312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tomkingaerial.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/airplane-towing-qr-code.jpg < 1330893016 115177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rate the probability of anyone having successfully scanned this as -1. < 1330893047 981973 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make QR codes of whatever you want; they can be URLs of any URI scheme; but they do not even have to be a URL at all. < 1330893062 349374 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, QR codes can be arbitrary data... < 1330893071 409235 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That said, they're really nothing *special*. < 1330893077 122444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm sure people use non-URL QR codes all the time. < 1330893089 374091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to make them even more bewildering. < 1330893091 373542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, the same moron who wrote that Haskell-vs-Python article is on proggit again. < 1330893094 929003 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've not seen it in *common* use. < 1330893100 935343 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly silly use. < 1330893113 998944 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "Print out QR codes for hardcopy backup" < 1330893174 15809 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you're a god-damned idiot if you put a QR code on a website. < 1330893182 573610 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Print out QR codes for hardcopy backup" is actually something I have thought of too; possibly even to send data by postal mail you can use this < 1330893196 713745 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Slightly silly and inefficient, but yeah, works just fine. < 1330893204 618404 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1330893215 90420 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A gig would be a nice set of shelving. < 1330893218 545546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ollydbg.de/Paperbak/ < 1330893226 663250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wayyy more compact than QR code, I would assume. < 1330893231 576540 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1330893246 133047 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But less QRiffic. < 1330893271 462062 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly the program to print out HTML documents could have an option to either print out URLs linked to as text, or as QR codes, or both < 1330893286 366752 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just remember not to use it for piracy or for government criticism, because all pages you print are watermarked by the printer < 1330893302 240632 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find an Android gopher client :( < 1330893304 466219 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Big shock) < 1330893313 995359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Isn't that US-only? < 1330893321 872943 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The QR code backup scheme I've seen is ~24k per page. Which is much less efficient than PaperBak. < 1330893332 783665 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not really. < 1330893345 806395 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Only on color printers. < 1330893348 545407 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it goes for all models of printers that are sold in the US, why would they spend money removing that feature from the rest of the world? < 1330893360 740493 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, only printers that can print fake money < 1330893365 264142 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1330893379 844400 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though you're not going to pull off convincing fakes with a color printer anyways... < 1330893392 518848 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... but the FAKE MONEY < 1330893398 855010 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: It is not on the Android Market, but it does exist. < 1330893429 564787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I assume it goes for all models of printers that are sold in the US, why would they spend money removing that feature from the rest of the world? < 1330893440 794319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the EU is rather stricter about that stuff than the US in general, I would say < 1330893454 988328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"EU: Secret printer watermarks may violate human rights" < 1330893462 857293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EU: Secret printer watermarks may violate human rights < 1330893464 338862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1330893468 372085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2008/02/eu-commissioner-printer-tracking-may-be-human-rights-violation.ars < 1330893484 883651 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they they ever go somewhere with that though? < 1330893489 389666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/02/eu-printer-tracking-dots-may-violate-human-rights is the source < 1330893490 195172 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I think I meant 2.4k? < 1330893490 905726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i guess not < 1330893500 902754 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think secret printer watermarks are only on color printers as far as I know? Still, you should turn them off (it should be a physical switch) < 1330893545 808461 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Given that they work by printing yellow-on-white, I don't think they could work otherwise. < 1330893598 937723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't say I've ever really had any lighting-or-angle-or-whatever problems actually scanning a QR code; admittedly my sample set is not very large. < 1330893626 148181 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how feasible it is to sprinkle some black dots here and there, but I guess that would be too noticable < 1330893690 918560 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can PaperBack codes be faxed? I am just curious. < 1330893745 705414 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tracking codes on printouts might sometimes be useful; but it should be off by default and only enabled when specifically enabled by the user. If you don't want to install such a switch, make them off all the time and have no tracking codes at all, is better. < 1330893757 801750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect fax machines have a more limited resolution than the printers it's designed for... but I may be wrong. < 1330893764 590195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, probably am wrong. < 1330893767 482404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably, if the "dot density" drop-down goes low enough. < 1330893779 211011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, you could always just dial down the density. < 1330893786 361727 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like you can select the dpi in paperback, so just set that below whatever resolution fax has < 1330893789 266316 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330893789 639812 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Client Quit < 1330893794 631733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ph < 1330893795 277836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye ph < 1330893820 508901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's a drop-down box, not a combo-editbox-whatever. < 1330893826 395141 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course, tracking dots are never useful if the user cannot decode it themself) < 1330893840 628840 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330893928 207039 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qkies.de/ Best worst idea in history. < 1330893937 567395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :200 dpi is mentioned in the text, which sounds slightly optimistic for fax. < 1330893984 84986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: OK, who says we buy a batch linking to $shocksite and give them out in public? < 1330893990 863598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem 1: Nobody will scan them. < 1330894019 3367 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem 2: Almost assuredly they taste like sandpaper and dextrose. < 1330894028 354705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I scan most QR codes I encounter, situation permitting. < 1330894060 188405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally they're just boring URLs that I don't bother following, though. < 1330894071 913438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep hoping maybe there'll be a surprise. < 1330894282 711868 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Problem 2: Almost assuredly they taste like sandpaper and dextrose. < 1330894291 827701 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one is dextrose I don't even. < 1330894305 640503 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also we've established that you are not allowed to make judgements on what things taste like. < 1330894420 991941 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Dextrose is the solid name for glucose. < 1330894440 972832 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1330894460 2054 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes ~no sense, especially since I suspect it's the d-enantiomer. < 1330894489 395532 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which it is waitwhat. < 1330894494 81664 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the unicode character people use for fake censorship? < 1330894505 912493 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330894539 514375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen just the regular full block been used. < 1330894541 553818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow2 < 1330894541 742971 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█ ...too much output! < 1330894543 802973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one. < 1330894565 377533 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "qkies", that's approximately cockies in swedish < 1330894584 282334 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I wanted, kthx. < 1330894829 380871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: It's U+[DATA EXPUNGED]. < 1330895459 437560 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a space block of the same width >_>　 < 1330895530 207399 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's just em width. < 1330895566 612931 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could always just look on the SCP wiki < 1330895607 626590 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, that was all wasted effort since my amazing plan doesn't actually work :( < 1330895667 740067 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, SCP, I love that place < 1330895821 174313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I referenced SCP before Sgeo_ :'( < 1330895829 812789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1330895862 726609 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyway, imagine this spam works then be amazed by my ingenuity: < 1330895862 964902 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :█▀▀▀▀▀█    ▄█▀ ▀  ▀ ▀▀▀   █▀▀▀▀▀█ < 1330895863 151836 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :█ ███ █ ▄▀ ▄ ▀▀▀██ ▄▄███  █ ███ █ < 1330895863 152040 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :█ ▀▀▀ █ ▄▄▄█▀▄█ ▀▀▀  ▄▄ ▀ █ ▀▀▀ █ < 1330895863 152155 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ █ █ ▀▄█ ▀ ▀ █ █▄█ ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ < 1330895863 505115 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : ▀█ ▄▄▀ ▄▀█▄ █  ▀▄▄██  ██ ██ █▄▄▄ < 1330895864 700327 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :▀█ ▄▀█▀█▀▄▄█▄▄▀ █  ▀  █▀▀▀█▀ █ ▄▀ < 1330895866 699677 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :█▄ ▄█▄▀██ ▄  █▄▄██▀▄▄  ██ █▄ ▀  █ < 1330895868 704923 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : ▀▄▄▀▄▀▄▄▀▄▀ █▄ ▀█ ▀  ██▄▄▀█▀▀ ▄▀ < 1330895872 608456 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :▄▄▀▀ ▄▀ ▄█▀█ █ ▄  ▀▄█▄ ▄▀ ██ ▀▄▄█ < 1330895874 599715 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :▀ █▄ ▄▀  █ █ █▄▄▀▀▄▀▀ ▄█▄█ ▀▀█ ▄█ < 1330895876 741244 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :▀██▄▄█▀▄▀█▄ ▀▄ █▄▀ ██▄ ██▄█▄ ▀    < 1330895878 764893 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :▀▀▄▄█▀▀  ▀▄▀▀█ ▀▄ █▀█ █▀▀█  ▀█▀ █ < 1330895880 785553 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :▀▀  ▀ ▀▀█▄▀▀  █▄▄ ▄█▀▄ ▀█▀▀▀██▄ ▄ < 1330895882 606067 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :█▀▀▀▀▀█  █▄▀▀█▀  █▄▀█▀ ▄█ ▀ █▄ ▄▀ < 1330895884 971928 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :█ ███ █  █ ▄ ▄  ██▀██  ▀██▀▀█▄▄▀▄ < 1330895886 614969 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :█ ▀▀▀ █ █  ▀▀▀  ▄██▀ ▀▄ ▄▀▄█▀▄▀▀▀ < 1330895888 787899 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :▀▀▀▀▀▀▀  ▀    ▀▀▀▀▀ ▀  ▀▀▀▀▀ ▀  ▀ < 1330895902 93454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You know what to do. < 1330895903 247000 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of a frog. < 1330895915 775780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone screenshot that and try and use one of the online scanners :P < 1330895916 106018 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: So close. < 1330895938 285947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Except you'll have to invert it >_> < 1330895941 626406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: I don't see why that wouldn't work with correctly-sized fonts < 1330895943 166212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*characters < 1330895955 632629 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Does it show breaks in between lines for you? < 1330895964 964636 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity." < 1330895968 47990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: the spaces are two narrow for me < 1330895972 238167 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked when I turned my phone on its side < 1330895973 488939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1330895978 39284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: haha, wow < 1330895979 357166 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha, one got it < 1330896009 202855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Well, yeah, but lots of terminals don't have those. < 1330896012 902399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ahaha. < 1330896058 355715 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to replicate getting it < 1330896099 481447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: How did you convert that? < 1330896133 769154 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Found an online QR-code converter, opened it in GIMP, converted it to ASCII PBM, wrote a little script to convert the ASCII PBM to Unicode. < 1330896137 358826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a/ha/, Xvfb wants /tmp/X11-unix to exist already < 1330896159 706503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Clever. < 1330896161 23665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *. < 1330896164 459911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.X11-unix, that is. < 1330896171 29454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1330896172 496482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, . < 1330896174 70137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1330896213 631115 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship: The http://code.google.com/p/google-authenticator/ PAM module can also display QR codes like that. < 1330896267 442973 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: But can it tell you to enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity? < 1330896400 600373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Well done. I had to "-fg black -bg white" a terminal for it to happen. < 1330896447 932903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: Except you'll have to invert it >_> < 1330896448 365631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1330896457 787094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :QR codes should totally be inversion-resisetnt. < 1330896462 857533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*resistent < 1330896468 754347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*resistant < 1330896497 636478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▖▖▗ ▐ ▐ ▌▌▛▘▌ ▌ ▞▖ ▟▖▌ ▗ ▖▖▗ ▗▖▗ ▐ ▐ ▗ ▖▖ ▛▖▌ ▞▖▞▖▌▌ ▛▖▛▖▞▖▌▌▜▘▙▌▞▘ < 1330896500 646694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▙▌▛▘▐ ▐ ▛▌▛▘▌ ▌ ▌▌ ▐ ▛▖▛▘▛ ▛▘ ▙ ▛▘▐ ▐ ▌▌▙▌ ▛▖▌ ▌▌▌▖▛▖ ▌▌▛▖▛▌█▌▐ █▌▌▌ < 1330896504 679521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▀▘▝▘ ▘ ▘ ▘▘▀▘▀▘▀▘▝ ▘▘▘▝▘▘ ▝▘ ▘ ▝▘ ▘ ▘▝ ▀▘ ▀ ▀▘▝ ▝ ▘▘ ▀ ▘▘▘▘▘▘▀▘▘▘▝ < 1330896531 213619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to go to the raw logs to read that. < 1330896536 575473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It deteriorated as the line went on with this font. < 1330896548 567278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It possibly has the wrong sort of space. < 1330896551 427536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the rf86k thing font? < 1330896552 969803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I.e. the regular.) < 1330896554 546007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1330896557 860741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rfk86 < 1330896599 860096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe em-space works better, is that what Friendship used? < 1330896643 32536 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1330896652 124511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▄ ▄ ▖▖  ▌ ▗ ▟▖▟▖▗ ▖▖  ▐ ▝ ▌ ▗   ▟▖▌ ▝ ▗▖▀▖ < 1330896655 580283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▄▌▌▌▚▌  ▛▖▛▘▐ ▐ ▛▘▛   ▐ ▐ ▙▘▛▘  ▐ ▛▖▐ ▘▖▝  < 1330896659 121679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▀▘▘▘▄▘  ▀ ▝▘ ▘ ▘▝▘▘    ▘▝ ▘▘▝▘   ▘▘▘▝ ▀ ▝  < 1330896662 841075 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :still broken < 1330896678 988577 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those were both readable to me *shrugs* < 1330896698 565712 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not to meeeeEEe < 1330896701 570879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. Everything presumably works with monospace fonts. < 1330896707 979432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Did The Code work for you? < 1330896717 656446 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a monospace font, Friendship worked, but fizzie didn't < 1330896726 129828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weirdness. < 1330896764 509888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Oh, the code is done with half-blocks? Mine were with quarter-blocks. < 1330896772 60754 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be a not-quite-monospace font I suppose, or falling back to the wrong non-monospace characters or something... but then gregor's should be broken too? < 1330896795 670715 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Fnarfship < 1330896797 596292 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the code uses only em spaces, half blocks and full blocks. < 1330896801 510634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to use different characters. < 1330896823 616323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine uses the quarter-blocks too. < 1330896828 551057 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2003, U+2584, U+2580, U+2588 < 1330896830 549166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%x %x", '', '‹'); < 1330896836 445604 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1f e280b9 < 1330896869 833070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", 0xe2); < 1330896871 972774 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :226 < 1330896888 84988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", 0213); < 1330896890 406121 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :139 < 1330896988 663972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given the usual short of character cell shape, the half-blocks are probably more rectangular pixels than the quarter-blocks. < 1330897006 791768 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I used halves. < 1330897015 894680 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each character is two cells, stacked vertically. < 1330897084 646569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the block elements are completely rectangular in the Unicode code chart examples. But, of course, "[t]he shapes of the reference glyphs used in these code charts are not prescriptive." < 1330897219 417796 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330897223 788167 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : LIME < 1330897224 314728 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIME < 1330897226 158514 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : LIME < 1330897229 273515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ▄ ▄ ▖▖  ▌ ▗ ▟▖▟▖▗ ▖▖  ▐ ▝ ▌ ▗   ▟▖▌ ▝ ▗▖▀▖ < 1330897229 460211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ▄▌▌▌▚▌  ▛▖▛▘▐ ▐ ▛▘▛   ▐ ▐ ▙▘▛▘  ▐ ▛▖▐ ▘▖▝  < 1330897229 460314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ▀▘▘▘▄▘  ▀ ▝▘ ▘ ▘▝▘▘    ▘▝ ▘▘▝▘   ▘▘▘▝ ▀ ▝  < 1330897231 419698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1330897233 630362 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There, I did the same for the logo < 1330897237 831185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could use one 64k plane for a set where there's all the 4x4 characters; and one more that would have the same 2x2 elements but at 16 different levels of shading. I mean, planes 3-13 are just *sitting* there. < 1330897242 732616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Perfect. < 1330897264 212159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : !c printf("%x %x", '', '‹'); < 1330897265 339328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1330897274 608064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what character is that underline? < 1330897284 918394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, what ctrl code < 1330897292 652553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_, isn't it? < 1330897300 28527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :31, I think < 1330897301 431497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't work here < 1330897304 660314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(XChat) < 1330897310 19460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's 0x1f. < 1330897317 237209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: someone's got a bunch of binary data they're trying to decote < 1330897319 280170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing, testing. < 1330897319 466983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*decode < 1330897326 729451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: underlined for me < 1330897328 971180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's ctrl-underscore in here. < 1330897344 696777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ? < 1330897353 523071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's a zipfile that's been run through a bunch of re-encodings between UTF-8, and some 8-bit encoding that isn't latin-1 < 1330897355 920391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can't tell for sure < 1330897383 216853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first byte is correct, but the second isn't < 1330897389 510612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Décote. Sounds French. < 1330897398 681412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Decote (do francês décolletage ou décolleté) --" pt.wiki. < 1330897402 968834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it was close. < 1330897423 50739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int algol = 42; printf("%d\n", algol); < 1330897424 618240 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1330897426 657393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1330897432 1529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, perhaps it's Windows-12452 < 1330897435 91795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Windows-1252 < 1330897443 569074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, I know, that's inverse to Algol.) < 1330897454 82406 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably not EBCDIC < 1330897463 115451 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the file? < 1330897468 599498 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :brute-force it? < 1330897495 462803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1330897513 502737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it was copy-pasted into a forum post here: http://pnewman.net/shelter/viewtopic.php?p=11249&f=2#p11249 < 1330897517 521472 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("\1ACTION hugs elliott\1"); < 1330897519 714231 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.ACTION hugs elliott. < 1330897521 97434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked the author if they have the original < 1330897522 869115 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1330897525 645523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because phpBB is not a good way to send binary files < 1330897530 513254 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy-pasted? oh damnit < 1330897547 323998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: see why I'm having problems decoding it? < 1330897553 554470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was just gzipped < 1330897559 914872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it went through the copy-paste < 1330897566 141244 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, no wonder you can't read that, it's gibberish! < 1330897591 963420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, obviously < 1330897643 33782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Please, never remove the CTCP filtering. < 1330897688 285466 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, running less on anything called ".bin" gives you the message "Install mkisofs to view ISO images" < 1330897874 99000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it starts "1f e2 80 b9 08 ...", and most gzip files are compressed with deflate (== 0x08), one presumes you just have to find a transformation that maps e2 80 b9 into 8b. < 1330897886 406956 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330897907 304259 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe latin (or something) to utf8 twice? < 1330898090 314514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :e2 80 b9 looks very UTF8y for the "single left-pointing angle quotation mark" ‹, and that's exactly 0x8B in CP1252. < 1330898095 437442 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1330898104 933925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's something else going on, since iconv complained about illegal UTF-8 at some point. < 1330898130 873232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ iconv -f utf-8 -t cp1252 < bin.txt > bin2.txt < 1330898131 59842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv: illegal input sequence at position 121 < 1330898134 734532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ file bin2.txt < 1330898134 921293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin2.txt: gzip compressed data, ASCII, has CRC, last modified: Fri Jan 31 17:14:52 2014 < 1330898153 694434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://iotic.com/averia/ < 1330898154 712070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. It's gzippy enough for 'file' after that, but position 121 is pretty soon. < 1330898211 921853 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1330898291 138021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://eprint.iacr.org/2012/064 < 1330898375 618056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm guessing that phpBB interpreted it as windows-1252 and converted it to utf-8, except possibly where it was legal utf-8 already < 1330898401 347132 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignoring the encoding errors when converting to cp1252, I get "mystery.cp1252: Minix filesystem, V3, 63802 zones" instead < 1330898436 529434 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "gzip: mystery.cp1252 is a multi-part gzip file -- not supported" < 1330898464 327844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :c2 8f c3 88 54 .. is the point where iconv doesn't like it any more, which is slightly weird, since C2 8F => 11000010 10001111 looks perfectly good UTF-8 for U+008F... okay, which CP1252 doesn't actually have. < 1330898490 325617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it should be treated as a literal 8f, then? < 1330898544 211337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, possibly, but I'm not sure how to tell iconv that. < 1330898564 890318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1330898602 104643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a windows-1252-or-otherwise-literally encoding < 1330898620 495447 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :-or-otherwise-latin1? < 1330898653 422031 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what literally can mean when the source is unicode and the target only has 8 bits available :) < 1330898700 590831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1330898768 7051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, I doubt we're going to be able to get iconv expanded to handle this case, either < 1330898771 94790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :gzip: bin2.txt is a multi-part gzip file -- not supported < 1330898773 872383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1330898774 60622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was written by Ulrich Drepper < 1330898810 974420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was with Perl's "Encode", which by default seems to replace the bad things with a "?" when encoding to cp1252. < 1330898840 117715 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's barely better than iconv's //ignore option :) < 1330898895 524893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think this one PERLQQ mode can be hacked to put in the byte itself. < 1330898901 426095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : As of Encode 2.12 CHECK can also be a code reference which takes the < 1330898902 721142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ord value of unmapped caharacter as an argument and returns a string < 1330898904 181831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that represents the fallback character. For instance, < 1330898911 721654 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with any tool that can tell you when it's broken, you just take 1/2/3 bytes of input, see if it decodes as utf-8, and then if it encodes as either 1252 or latin1 < 1330898915 903973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it can take a coderef directly. < 1330898918 335728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: try using sub {@_[0]} as your argument < 1330898921 305403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to s/// the things. < 1330898966 861209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, it's a 8f. < 1330898970 587893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see what gzip says. < 1330899018 248463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ gunzip bin2.gz < 1330899018 477017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :gzip: bin2.gz is a multi-part gzip file -- not supported < 1330899023 260326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's still not good. < 1330899034 701264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are yu sure its gzip < 1330899038 494012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last-modified date in 2014 is a bit strange too. < 1330899039 767884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1330899043 572982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems likely to be < 1330899052 931743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was originally from a web browser cache < 1330899055 760154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first three bytes look very gzippy, that's about it. < 1330899061 473977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has the right magic number < 1330899062 948116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :raw zlib < 1330899065 202211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1330899086 468748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, huh, that's indeed possible < 1330899102 671771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats content-encoding: deflate < 1330899105 179110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all < 1330899107 706468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1330899109 894536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1330899161 502270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, is this likely to be fixed soon, or shall I go home? I need to go home < 1330899186 980963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to go sleep, so probably not by me. < 1330899209 791454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, a DEFLATE stream wouldn't (except by chance, of course) have the gzip headers at the start. < 1330899221 320515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Admittedly it's just two fixed bytes and a very likely third.) < 1330899385 255691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330899387 493519 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, starting with the modification time it looks broken... XFL=0x23, OS=0xc9 according to my reading < 1330899522 242219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. FLG = 0x03 -> FTEXT, FHCRC; then a four-byte little-endian mtime of "ec bd eb 52"; indeed, 23 C9 .. doesn't seem very likely for XFL and OS. < 1330899534 585552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that bigendian? I guess it is. < 1330899544 296731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it doesn't look all *that* likely. < 1330899583 442310 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :both xfl and os are single-byte fields, endianness shouldn't matter there? < 1330899656 24655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just meant the mtime. < 1330899717 112218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, most .gz files I can make seem to start with "1f 8b 08 00 ...", so just the 03-as-FLG is a bit suspicious, even if the flags aren't *that* weird. < 1330899746 2494 :brisingr!~brisingr@79.117.64.168 PART :#esoteric < 1330899790 34440 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :etaexpansion < 1330899797 655263 :etaexpansion!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur < 1330899804 146271 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330899806 255669 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the date displayed by `file` is what I get from date -d @$[0x52ebbdec], i.e. little endian < 1330899842 269668 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1330899898 836634 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy hell. < 1330899900 481959 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, has there been some special funky encoding of null characters? < 1330899917 473729 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lego's original licence for Star Wars expired in 2011. < 1330899924 452465 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS THIS WORLD IN WHICH I FIND MYSELF < 1330899951 549520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Or just omission of them. :p < 1330900006 157622 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1330900059 875041 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you just insert a 0 before the three I think it'll be an even weirder mtime < 1330900131 296966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That much is true, and there doesn't really seem to be a reasonable XFL value (04 or 02) or an OS value (0x or FF) in the vicinity. < 1330900196 218057 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is "true" < 1330900261 338224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it is also true that there are no 00s in the whole thing. Maybe it would be good if the author would use some other sort of a method to show the binary file to people than just "paste it into a webforum".) < 1330900280 397204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I think this concludes my involvement in this thing. -> < 1330900299 993349 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is "show", really < 1330900307 977223 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we really ever "show" anything < 1330900313 712115 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to anyone < 1330900319 92181 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1330900323 402856 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :while wearing pantyhose < 1330900372 332989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1330900374 519350 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1330900397 187783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, has there been some special funky encoding of null characters? < 1330900401 853592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: there is a "standard" alt. encoding of them < 1330900480 94654 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1330900569 513200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "standard" one is just the two-byte version of U+0000, and I'm not seeing any of those either. But I could easily imagine that some point during the copy-paste process would drop embedded raw nuls. < 1330900570 387032 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "I saved that straight from the cache and the [code] tags should stop any formatting. I'll upload it when I have a chance, but I'm pretty sure it's identical." < 1330900630 774041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that whole thing even all about? < 1330900647 802660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mafiascum.net Fallout Shelter: A temporary home during Moving Day" < 1330900652 938458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite know what any of that means. < 1330900658 136292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've heard about "home". < 1330900663 69691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mafiascum.net is the most popular forum for playing [[Mafia (game)]]. < 1330900671 99872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka < 1330900676 949198 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I gather, some place where lots of people had "games" uploaded, and now the whole thing crashed < 1330900691 528409 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people are trying to restore their savegames from other peoples caches, or something < 1330900706 585427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "savegames" = forum threads. < 1330900744 944271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know that game where everyone votes to eliminate the members of the [mafia|werewolves|any number of names]? No? < 1330900746 650181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's that thing. < 1330901024 254615 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have you ever played on EpicMafia? < 1330901046 671796 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that one of those Virtual Games that you love so much? < 1330901050 726696 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes i went there < 1330901065 793789 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also can anything really ever be a "thing" < 1330901099 341257 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just Mafia more real-time. I guess like it might be played on IRC, but with some help < 1330901154 955396 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EpicMafia appears to be down :(:(:( < 1330901233 854130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I have never played mafia on any forums dedicated to the purpose. < 1330901684 663654 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there ever really any real "purpose" < 1330901766 969480 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol seems to be in a philosophical mood < 1330901807 111144 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there ever really any real "mood" < 1330901896 247496 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Friendship really exist? < 1330901910 525422 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does /magic/ really exist? < 1330901922 645804 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1330901928 202498 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :From pseudophilosophy to just plain stupid in one leap! < 1330901961 485684 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do these questions even really ask anything < 1330901978 870746 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the purpose of love? < 1330901980 166873 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or life < 1330901982 688062 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or poop < 1330901994 291663 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? < 1330902024 178085 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1330902028 675288 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally an easy question < 1330902032 84506 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1330902069 206169 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this hotel room is way bigger than my apartment < 1330902135 886533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like you are in the LAP of LUXURY there. < 1330902194 900267 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pekka haavisto arrived at the airport after baggage claim was already closed < 1330902202 311437 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they let him in the plane because of me < 1330902213 803215 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to non-finns, pekka haavisto is gay) < 1330902289 554483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't he pretty gay to most Finns too? < 1330902292 733174 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will not go into details because this may have been more about me being retarded than me being helpful. < 1330902500 888159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In" the plane? Isn't it usually "on"? < 1330902560 237812 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, English. < 1330902568 196521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe an omitted word? "They let him in the plane." < 1330902571 467642 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he was going to ride on the plane, oklo got him a place in the plane < 1330902592 246700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, like, in the engines? < 1330902640 171111 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, but I guess that's a good place if you want some heating (it's cold in space, after all) < 1330902724 959339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think olsner is severely confused about the nature of aeroplanes. < 1330902860 184094 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mayhaps, mayhaps < 1330902887 121751 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's deathly afraid of them. When he needs to fly, he takes a sedative and has his assistant handle everything. He just wakes up at his destination. < 1330902890 77152 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: doesn't in the plane just mean actually inside the plane without taking a stand on whether he'll actually get to fly with it < 1330902904 249385 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It should, but lolenglish. < 1330902937 210946 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then i guess i meant inside the plane < 1330902948 312543 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you certainly can't have a problem with < 1330902981 908478 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't know if they let him fly, i just know they let him inside the plane) < 1330903101 206161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Maybe his fears would be lessened if he didn't think they went to space. < 1330903109 126354 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods sagely.
< 1330903119 616368 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait are you still talking about something < 1330903168 843067 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK peoples votin' time: Friendship or Gregor? < 1330903175 23968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freggor < 1330903178 998855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregship < 1330903193 289645 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only can sail the mighty Gregship. < 1330903195 43487 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find myself thinking about dying a lot when flying. and then i'm like lol, i'm much more likely to die in a bus. and then i get on a bus and i'm like wow i guess i should've hidden my chinese sex slaves better in case i die. < 1330903197 58372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gfrreignodrs < 1330903209 930353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's intermingling gregor and friendship except omitting all the letters that only friendship has lengthwise) < 1330903266 108451 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How 'bout Gfrreigeonrdrsihcihp < 1330903281 976897 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i'm like do i really care if people find my chinese sex slaves, i'm dead so nothing matters. and then i think a few other obvious further thoughts and then i realize shit this is philosophy, and then i get back to math. < 1330903299 969005 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yup, been there, done that. < 1330903303 374191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Yes, agreed, use that. < 1330903304 586582 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta lock up the cellar. < 1330903307 104623 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hide all the sex toys. < 1330903320 674782 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Most of which are living, breathing humans) < 1330903330 623974 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my tunnels of face are full of snot because of the snot disease i had this week < 1330903333 3673 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so flying < 1330903335 829578 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was fun. < 1330903336 16340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Anyway, just rotate them. Though I'm used to Friendship now. Have you considered adopting Friendship as a fully-fledged alias? < 1330903354 969188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, just change your name to Friendship. < 1330903355 392391 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering it. It's pretty cocky though, even for me. < 1330903356 786554 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ears don't be hearing even still. < 1330903358 9919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship@codu.org < 1330903366 924023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonono, by "fully-fldged alias" I mean "beyond IRC". < 1330903373 154697 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah >_> <_< < 1330903375 380200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDEALLY you should get it on your employment contract. < 1330903390 509746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is the official Final Stage of Aliasation.) < 1330903394 347804 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Idonno about that. < 1330903404 440980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: You're so antialiased. < 1330903420 782589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, that was good. < 1330903421 336537 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, since we've already established by #esoteric psuedocanon that my middle name is Friendship anyway, it is on contracts. < 1330903436 499091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric pseudocanon affects reality now??? < 1330903439 157498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am SO RICH. < 1330903462 985095 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods sagely.
< 1330903472 511864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship nods sagely. < 1330903487 502869 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be my new name. < 1330903487 729148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I say stick with it, if only for gems like that :P < 1330903490 216505 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship Nods Sagely < 1330903492 566271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1330903498 114847 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship "nods" sagely < 1330903515 955885 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, that's Friendship's full name right there < 1330903517 4664 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net NICK :nods < 1330903518 730549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nods, for short. < 1330903520 233049 :nods!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo yo < 1330903521 612675 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship N. Sagely < 1330903525 755610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nods is a good nick < 1330903530 891165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That's what Friendship said :P < 1330903539 613345 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just repeating it so it sticks < 1330903541 69908 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The best "gem" thusfar though was: "Friendship is now known as Gregor" who decided this < 1330903543 618878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, Tim Schafer is doing an AmA! < 1330903555 455286 :nods!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net NICK :nads < 1330903576 771961 :nads!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently these are both registered < 1330903582 421528 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shocking. < 1330903624 855900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet 90% of people here don't even know who Tim Schafer is. :( < 1330903646 928266 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect you are right < 1330903663 835293 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The name makes me think Monkey Island. < 1330903666 827838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`Timothy Schafer (born July 26, 1967) is an American computer game designer. He founded Double Fine Productions in January 2000, after having spent over a decade at LucasArts. Schafer is best known as the designer of critically acclaimed games Full Throttle, Grim Fandango, Psychonauts, and Brütal Legend, and co-designer of the early classics The Secret of Monkey Island, Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge and Day of the Tentacle. < 1330903667 14521 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe there's a connection. < 1330903668 109696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOPE THIS HELPS < 1330903674 902647 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: Timothy: not found < 1330903676 649159 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tim Schafer, game designer, responsible for Grim Fandango, Psychonauts, and some of Monkey Island? < 1330903679 189669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Yes, co-designer (Ron Gilbert being the main designer). < 1330903692 510936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK that's three. < 1330903701 347660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will take three more people to prove me wrong. < 1330903723 274927 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Who? < 1330903729 824798 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Never heard of 'im. < 1330903731 750817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIX < 1330903736 575066 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't recognize the name < 1330903745 646502 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : I also never speak in this channel. < 1330903748 847194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (He's that Grim Fandango guy, right?)S < 1330903749 34076 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's that Grim Fandango guy, right? < 1330903779 410337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How great would it be if clog piped up just to prove me wrong, and it turns out there's an ACTUAL PERSON there who reads the channel all the time. < 1330903780 637635 :nads!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know the name but i can feel his spirit < 1330903783 975235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just have their client set to log to the web, that's all. > 1330903841 951161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be silly. < 1330903847 511828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghlflzd;kgjfh'skl;fj;ol AAAAAAAAAAH < 1330903858 334173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: WHY DID HOW < 1330903881 268655 :nads!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net NICK :oklopol < 1330903883 655074 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was like < 1330903890 431697 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey who is this nads guy, he seems smart < 1330903893 840878 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i realized oh. < 1330903911 877158 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too confusing to have two smart ppl on the samme chanel < 1330903925 193331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok is way smarter than you < 1330903947 316538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1330903960 201036 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but i keep him tied up in my bed < 1330903969 259154 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't bother me < 1330903994 928149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would totally try and play Grim Fandango again except Wine is apparently determined to confound my efforts in playing games. < 1330904851 395668 :CHeReP!~cherep@217.172.23.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330904858 154941 :CHeReP!~cherep@217.172.23.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boys and girls < 1330904865 738074 :CHeReP!~cherep@217.172.23.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yooohoho < 1330904870 415888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome CHeReP < 1330904874 225728 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHeReP: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1330904891 285752 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi chirpy < 1330904928 856447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Basic_Input/Output_Commander WHY WOULD YOU ARCHIVE THE PAGE LITERALLY DAYS AFTER IT WAS CREATED < 1330905000 605668 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330905215 862110 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anything ever really be "created" < 1330905266 234243 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't you read pluton's book about how he's not a planet and how things have ideal representations in the world of superphilosophy and everything's just copy paste from there < 1330905395 367326 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pumping air into my ear helps temporarily < 1330905418 933904 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least it's fun to do