< 1330560007 551585 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1330560033 26845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i recall that applies also to minimal systems < 1330560035 24638 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just try to write the compact metric Hausdorff space as a Haskell datatype, and it ought to work... < 1330560041 560445 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what's a compact metric Hausdorff space? < 1330560082 310116 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :compact = open covers have finite subcovers, metric = topology is given by a metric, hausdorff = any two points have open neighborhoods that don't intersect, space = space < 1330560120 91292 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are some of the most important things in all mathematics afaik < 1330560128 790573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: actually metric implies hausdorff, that was redundant < 1330560137 948858 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric := final object in the category of frontiers? < 1330560149 862299 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, take the distance between the points, and take two balls around them with half that distance as radius < 1330560174 806655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: also iirc you get a quotient from a continuous surjection if the spaces are compact hausdorff < 1330560175 231708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :being bird is hard < 1330560194 394656 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, final objects in a category are always unique up to unique isomorphism, aren't they? So given a category of frontiers, it must contain exactly one final frontier. So in order to have multiple spaces, you must have multiple categories of frontiers. < 1330560211 786948 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc they are unique trivialy < 1330560213 511534 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivially < 1330560227 138114 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is a frontier < 1330560228 194373 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... right. Given two of them, there's exactly one morphism each way, isn't there. < 1330560230 154972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which S^1 and S^2 are) < 1330560244 788757 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yeah, so in fact it's an isomorphism < 1330560276 201855 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A frontier is an object in the category whose final object is a space. < 1330560302 654686 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330560316 934304 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if there two objects C and D in a category, the fact that there's exactly one arrow in each direction doesn't mean that the arrows are inverses of each other, does it? < 1330560326 545838 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes it does < 1330560330 782496 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose them < 1330560337 996398 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who says you'll end up with the identity arrow? < 1330560339 739989 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a map from C to C < 1330560343 924768 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just one such arrow < 1330560351 925558 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right you need another application of finality < 1330560364 3844 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Ah, right. Since it's a final object, it has only one endomorphism. < 1330560368 761076 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1330560396 277549 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, um, epi-, mono-, and iso- correspond to epi, monic, and invertible. What do auto- and endo- correspond to, if anything? < 1330560410 416662 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto = iso endo < 1330560423 785817 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a question of linguistics, not mathematics. < 1330560428 788360 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :endo = "function on X" < 1330560428 975056 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of terminology, rather. < 1330560466 814100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :endo = (domain = codomain) < 1330560510 288800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. A -> A for some A < 1330560531 183646 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i getting the feeling that he didn't need a definition < 1330560537 468237 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i'm < 1330560541 395125 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definition endo {a : Cat} (c : Obj a) := Arrow c c < 1330560543 459003 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1330560549 175901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1330560561 552931 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he's asking something way more profound < 1330560584 271053 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, category theory. < 1330560591 682760 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :category theory < 1330560600 498856 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the Power of the Continuum will not help you. < 1330560604 634299 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up with natural transformations? < 1330560612 988792 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah those things are tits < 1330560618 499943 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1330560618 686760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? natural transformation < 1330560621 226435 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural transformation? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1330560624 759184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? functor < 1330560627 290094 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functors are just morphisms in the category of small categories < 1330560660 868201 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's what a functor is, is a natural transformation anything? < 1330560671 865035 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really need to go, let's do this again now that we have a third eager mathematician here < 1330560679 221234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Natural transformations are just morphisms in the category of functors < 1330560680 515633 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1330560683 332519 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1330560691 420408 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ...is that all? < 1330560702 25721 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that's not really saying anything < 1330560710 360776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/natural wisdom/"natural transformation" < 1330560713 364434 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1330560720 508373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? natural transformation < 1330560723 782686 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Natural transformations are just morphisms in the category of functors < 1330560745 51826 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect a morphism in the category of functors to be, like, a pair of functors such that when the first one is composed on the left with the domain, you get the same thing as when the second one is composed on the right with the codomain. < 1330560753 286692 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that's only meaningfull if you already know what the morphisms in the category of functors are < 1330560753 730767 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe vice versa... no, it doesn't matter. < 1330560757 987272 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, quite. < 1330560769 920030 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*meaningful < 1330560775 848137 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs [n]atural transformation < 1330560792 191992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: the functors are the domains and codomains of the natural transformations. < 1330560808 729235 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1330560861 845539 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs natural transformation < 1330560874 137656 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.7952 < 1330561033 880447 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, speaking of category theory. < 1330561043 952886 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: do you know of any IRC channels devoted to the discussion of FIM? < 1330561601 342316 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1330561755 744504 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i went outside and couldn't swallow anymore and started sweathing like a horse. i drew the conclusion that i'm not healthy yet. < 1330561759 351778 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweating < 1330561849 159843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a great victory for logic < 1330561910 971334 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: #esoteric-ponies :) < 1330561931 100656 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In other words, not really, but calamari and I hang out there) < 1330561938 300981 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1330561963 42957 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIENES QUE ROLPLEYAR < 1330562010 844733 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330562032 445892 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't live without swallowing o_O < 1330562044 747206 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1330562064 747934 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i should get this thing checked out but i have no idea how you actually go to a hospital :D < 1330562085 313758 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i could just walk to a pharmacy and be all like hi my throat hurts, do i take my pants off now < 1330562117 134319 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd call the cops who would then take me to a mental institute and i could live there happily until i died of old happiness < 1330562305 811454 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1330562359 813160 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1330562364 757860 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330562398 145050 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1330562581 37242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the sitenotice has now been up for 9 days < 1330562595 823727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder whether i should take it down or let it run for two weeks in total < 1330562667 124258 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1330563493 903371 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should add an additional nested picture of lime slices. < 1330563495 503244 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in case. < 1330563580 209768 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes a CL macro that he likes < 1330563590 249269 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for it breaking on being given 0 lists :/ < 1330563601 833195 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.lisp.org/display/128071 < 1330563621 326580 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that progn makes me feel funny < 1330563666 600488 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, dolist has its own implied progn, why should I need to give another? < 1330563699 693207 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck Odinsday. < 1330563707 165479 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odinsday? < 1330563739 485455 :cheater__!~cheater@dslb-084-057-041-180.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330563758 212474 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, today's Odinsday, yesterday was Tyrsday, tomorrow's Thorsday. < 1330563759 466297 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1330563976 821210 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-006-094.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1330564145 145828 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1330564441 540501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [case gcd x 15 of 1->show x;3->"Fizz";5->"Buzz";_->"FizzBuzz"|x<-[1..100]] < 1330564442 307074 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["1","2","Fizz","4","Buzz","Fizz","7","8","Fizz","Buzz","11","Fizz","13","1... < 1330564471 591969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run length @show [case gcd x 15 of 1->show x;3->"Fizz";5->"Buzz";_->"FizzBuzz"|x<-[1..100]] < 1330564472 409912 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 74 < 1330564748 967915 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zipWith id (cycle [show,show,const"Fizz",show,const"Buzz",const"Fizz",show,show,const"Fizz",const"Buzz",show,const"Fizz",show,show,const"FizzBuzz"]) [1..] < 1330564749 723223 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["1","2","Fizz","4","Buzz","Fizz","7","8","Fizz","Buzz","11","Fizz","13","1... < 1330566009 892976 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, so it's like a nested loop? < 1330566010 117082 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1330566042 329891 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.justinvacula.com/2012/02/really-really-really-inoffensive.html < 1330566045 10588 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun story. < 1330566045 896974 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yeah < 1330566073 721009 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a new version, hold on < 1330566082 70411 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.lisp.org/display/128072 < 1330566349 25420 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that sequence? < 1330566419 242071 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not... really, I think < 1330566572 947122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean, dolist has its own implied progn, why should I need to give another? < 1330566577 668762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you're in if, not dolist? < 1330566646 95560 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need the progn for if, because the backquoted thing is one form. < 1330566651 434235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Anyway, you want to do the (if rest-lists ...) at macro-expand time, not at runtime. < 1330566670 15023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you did. < 1330566677 183598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what do you mean why do you need to give another? < 1330566732 951586 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're still looking at the first one? Because the progn ,@body expands inside a dolist, so the expansion has a redundant progn < 1330566756 257004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in the first one, it doesn't. < 1330566759 633489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It expands inside an if. < 1330566782 292821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hm. < 1330566792 480765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's just because you're using a , < 1330566805 100761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use ,@(if ... body) and it'd work fine. < 1330566824 579614 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hah, good point. < 1330567188 55393 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-021-018.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330567296 895555 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1330567415 476485 :cheater__!~cheater@dslb-084-057-041-180.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1330567491 970736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 1.19 must come out soon! < 1330567494 64239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enwp has upgraded < 1330567506 964548 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.19 of what? < 1330567552 745410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediawiki < 1330567575 465561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it'll be deployed to all wikipedias by 03:00 UTC < 1330567613 865538 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1330567873 368827 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what do you think of Let Over Lambda? < 1330567945 345426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably not recommend it. < 1330567959 995653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt you will read it. < 1330567987 976747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit of a letdown? < 1330567999 206972 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I looked at a few chapters < 1330568023 392255 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do see why it's controversial < 1330568035 292847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand it needs serious proof-reading. < 1330568045 798476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the author seems a bit of a crank, and annoying from what I've seen of him. < 1330568091 814429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the good reviews I've heard of it seem to universally come from people I would not consider experienced enough to judge it, and everyone qualified I've heard speak of it hasn't done so in a positive light. < 1330568106 266757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you read PCL? On Lisp? < 1330568122 954291 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glanced at a bit of On Lisp, looked through PCL and should probably work through it < 1330568131 911418 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I looked at PCL a long time ago too < 1330568151 85090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let Over Lambda is meant to be a "sequel" to On Lisp, I gather. I also gather it's vastly inferior (though On Lisp has its problems too, I hear). < 1330568194 828401 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I mentioned On Lisp in #lisp , they said something about perhaps it being best to know PG's quirks first. < 1330568202 479103 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something, I don't remember exactly what was said < 1330568216 146069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be best to know #lisp's quirks before asking them questions, too. < 1330568236 694872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, since you will never actually develop anything in the language, you will not be harmed by reading it. < 1330568245 436679 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C7DA.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330568253 484434 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1330568347 123729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, am I meant to pretend your weekly language obsessions will actually develop into using the language? < 1330568375 293437 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell was more than a weekly obsession, I think < 1330568379 560321 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It went on for a few months < 1330568419 346802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and you wrote a total of 0 real programs in it, and abandoned it for other languages (2 so far). < 1330568466 674652 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a program in Haskell that I didn't tell you about. < 1330568472 739435 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Didn't get used though) < 1330568487 331124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so if a few months = 1 program, 1 week = 0 programs. < 1330568570 710219 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I think I will use continue to use earmuffs, LOL's objections to the contrary untill I actually understand them < 1330568629 925427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonsense. Of course you should stop following common practice because a random book told you to. < 1330568706 620690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"First of all, I'm not convinced that unexpected collisions < 1330568706 845789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are unconditionally bad. The way I look at it, you always < 1330568706 846027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn something when you encounter a collision and you < 1330568706 846140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never learn anything when you don't." < 1330568708 264113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genius, you see. < 1330568820 986997 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read On Lisp < 1330568823 964683 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty good < 1330568857 305558 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LoL must be a parody on some level < 1330568861 847270 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the introduction is... amazing < 1330568974 827329 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i got into the actual code some of it was interesting < 1330568990 603734 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but none of it was transcendentally mind-blowing like the author seems to think it is < 1330569007 17565 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly i'm not a true hacker < 1330569017 568155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOP 0.00000001TH PERCENTILE < 1330569039 751922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(N.B. Lisp redefines "percentile" with magic.) < 1330569045 377374 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp programmers are smarter [citation: other lisp programmers saying they are smarter] < 1330569055 276950 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading _On Lisp_ I got the impression that PG was using macros where they weren't really necessary < 1330569065 141605 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's an interesting book < 1330569080 816949 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today some people tried to tell me that Ruby and Javascript are "pretty good Lisps" < 1330569085 478996 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was just like... "no" < 1330569106 926437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that kind of sentiment originated with http://www.randomhacks.net/articles/2005/12/03/why-ruby-is-an-acceptable-lisp < 1330569112 910243 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to sustain that claim without entirely missing the point of Lisp < 1330569129 585648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is a lot more reasonable than just claiming languages like that are "pretty good lisps" without qualification) < 1330569141 961371 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked yegge's response to that < 1330569142 277926 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/04/lisp-is-not-acceptable-lisp.html < 1330569161 176639 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was the article that made me appreciate "data is code" as well as "code is data" < 1330569183 842565 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, not this one < 1330569205 112720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised by how rarely I disagree with Yegge < 1330569220 506428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for such a controversial figure he rarely says anything super-controversial < 1330569242 249667 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one https://sites.google.com/site/steveyegge2/the-emacs-problem < 1330569285 771033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the article that convinced me that lisp is awesome was http://www.defmacro.org/ramblings/lisp.html < 1330569362 164340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1330569409 296956 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :statements like "Ruby gives you about 80% of what you want from macros" are full of blub < 1330569425 685272 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't use Lisp you don't want enough from macros ;) < 1330569441 706556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a lisp programmer every statement showing something other than lisp in a positive light is full of blub < 1330569449 26987 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1330569481 147128 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible to be smug and correct at the same time ;) < 1330569497 102329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming language blub is when you're unknowingly limited in your thought processes by your choice of choice of language. lisp programmers don't suffer from that, they suffer from managing to get anything done blub < 1330569502 516988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :caused by their choice of arrogance :p < 1330569524 709685 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually think Ruby and Javascript would be better with Lisp-like macros < 1330569531 233263 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some advantages to languages that have common idioms, I think. Sure, you could do XYZ-style programming in Lisp, but the Lisp community at large probably doesn't < 1330569538 476296 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without them you can't really call them "Lisp" < 1330569552 434027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The old Google Groups will be going away soon. Switch to the new Google Groups." < 1330569562 175185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome! finally, google groups is getting even worse to use < 1330569572 341660 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or don't use Google Groups at all. < 1330569583 876944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for your helpful advice. < 1330569762 966214 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is why, I was trying to invent a new kind of idea of programming language, with similarity to Haskell, but also with macros and so on. I can tell you my ideas and then you can tell me what you dislike about each one individually < 1330569799 696962 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Kinds of macros usable in nearly every step of the parsing/compiler, including Lisp-like macro, C-like macro, TH-like macro, etc < 1330569799 915361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell kmc, he'd love to hear < 1330569864 129500 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* No do-notation, no layout, no list/monad comprehensions, no Unicode syntax < 1330569864 398396 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1330569867 428037 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complete categories. < 1330569869 136659 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... I must. < 1330569900 133753 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You are allowed to have extra commas at the beginning and end of a list and they can be removed < 1330569928 278526 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Even types can have lambdas < 1330569955 824970 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* No case/of, instead you can have lambda with multiple patterns if they have { } around it then it is allow multiple patterns < 1330569972 240674 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* No if/then/else expression, you can use a bool function instead < 1330570074 852673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Even types can have lambdas < 1330570080 140685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes typechecking undecidable. < 1330570084 745386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC) < 1330570091 30501 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* A type synonym can have constraints corresponding to things similar to classes, but instead of class declaration each one can be: a tag, a class method, a type family, a mathematical law, and so on < 1330570091 280588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And inference basically impossible. < 1330570091 708326 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So newcomers heave a deep sigh, and they learn to accept LISP-2, names like rplaca, case-insensitivity, '(ALL CAPS OUTPUT), and all the other zillions of idiosyncracies of a standard Common Lisp implementation." < 1330570098 222672 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who uses rplaca directly??? < 1330570111 137886 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, type lambdas would have the same restriction as type synonyms do < 1330570121 363347 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is what I mean. < 1330570170 229242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, okay. < 1330570226 728082 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You can declare that one thing implies another thing, such as classes and so on; and even after a class method is defined you can make up other ways to define it if you assert that things are equivalent by declaring mathematical laws that are assumed to hold < 1330570303 374040 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You can have private instances < 1330570344 910592 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know??? < 1330570487 904539 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Bulit-in kinds * # + ? -> & @ and then there are kinds {x} where x is a type and the types of those kind are {y} where y is a value of that type; only thing you can do with them is move the value inside the type into a value level expression < 1330570524 512609 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Datakinds with capitalized names, declared like datatypes but kinds and can be declared in GADT-like, too; using the "kind" keyword instead of "data" at front < 1330570591 189745 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Meanings of types [] and (,,) and values [] and (,,) and so on are determined using macros, so you can redefine those macros if you need to instead of being stuck with the stuff built-in < 1330570655 546118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to play W:A. < 1330570700 571236 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Values in {} types use names in scope; if you have something in local scope then those types are also local in scope and cannot be moved elsewhere < 1330570770 535309 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1330570845 551037 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* The kind * of ordinary types. The kind # of raw low-level types (which can be defined using LLVM codes). The kind + of type-level natural numbers, a subkind of * and that number is how many values (the type 0 has no values). The kind ? having * # + as subkinds. The kind & of constraints. The kind @ of program modules. < 1330570866 92017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to implement this? < 1330570890 50074 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1330570892 801892 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know. I just write idea, and then you can complain about each idea specifically, or say in case you like it instead if that is instead. < 1330570908 755806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. I like all of it; you should work on implementing it. < 1330570921 125696 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am not finished yet! < 1330570966 744590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1330570981 618409 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, yegge thinks that PG announcing Arc has had a serious influence on the direction Lisp communities have taken since then? < 1330571003 704621 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :skeptical < 1330571062 645619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think fair depending on how you define lisp communities < 1330571068 23387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :common lisp/scheme communities no < 1330571080 383798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but almost every lisp derivative of the past many years has talked about onions < 1330571088 736878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and adopted a lot of the "heretical" stuff < 1330571111 488199 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* There is not a requirement for a common package service (like Hackage); you can use decentralized multiple package sources which can tell the difference, possibly some local. A package identifier might be like "something-package/0.1 example.org Z/" where first is name, then optional version number, optional domain name or domain alias, and optional selector prefix. < 1330571114 964235 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, which stuff? < 1330571115 428091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. http://arcanesentiment.blogspot.com/2008/04/orthodox-otter.html < 1330571134 15932 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :onions? < 1330571161 635522 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Port numbers are optional and there is no default. Domain alias can be defined locally and always have a dollar sign at front. The special name $ for active package. < 1330571212 635900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you're clearly not well-read enough on your pg! ;) < 1330571220 399127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.paulgraham.com/arcll1.html < 1330571221 775893 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1330571228 395376 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Some kind of thing like CLC-INTERCAL's "BELONGS TO" relation. < 1330571270 980849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :christ, arc is as old as 2001 < 1330571279 253282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a bloody disappointment < 1330571284 177370 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Some (but not all) of errors that would cause error messages if the program is interpreted, cause undefined behavior in compiled programs. (Probably the compiler could have options to override that) < 1330571318 263238 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, undefined behavior means that idiots will write code that works on one implementation but not another. < 1330571350 906992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think idiots have any hope in programming in a language designed by zzo38 successfully? < 1330571358 905187 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: In that case, idiots should use the interpreter or use some other programming language. < 1330571375 231521 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since the interpreter is required to not have undefined behavior) < 1330571492 227233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What W:A torrent did I use way back? < 1330571523 41402 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1330571532 868416 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you find it, let me know, I haven't played W:A in a while < 1330571545 521382 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* The "main" can be of type (IO ()) or (unsafe "c_int (c_int, c_char**)") to make a executable file; if main has any other type you can still create .dll or .so files but not standalone executable files. < 1330571558 344698 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because my ISO is stuck on an HD that I haven't touched in a while < 1330571596 226642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll try to find another, better one -- you know, one whose installer is not in Russian. < 1330571611 246454 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. Is that good? Now will you complain about it differently, so that I can know exactly how to correct it? Even draft is not completely yet so we should try to argue about it together at first < 1330571678 40734 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, link me when you do >.> < 1330571697 807299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's great. You should implement it. < 1330571726 147772 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is read the conventional way to grab data from input? Because it seems unsafe. < 1330571726 729895 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things though, I still don't know all the details, including some of the syntax and a few others < 1330571861 299614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found a torrent that looks good. < 1330571910 742271 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I still don't know how a lot of these things can fit in to the syntax and fit in to a few other things < 1330571944 68232 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I guess the clones aren't good enough? < 1330572037 901419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not by far. < 1330572093 290576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this torrent's name actually ends with "{russian}". < 1330572100 593166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehh, so what, it's well-seeded. < 1330572113 555777 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet < 1330572132 427099 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it's the same torrent? < 1330572135 319664 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* There is no "Int" type; you can use Int8, Int16, Int32, Int64, Int128, or Integer. And for unsigned you can use Nat8 (instead of Word8 as in Haskell), Nat16, Nat32, Nat64, Nat128, or Natural. (I don't yet know how to work with floating numbers) < 1330572138 421388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's not. < 1330572143 378865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one has an .mdf rather than an .iso. < 1330572145 839029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But there's converters.) < 1330572208 386748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://torrentz.eu/3379412f2660f0bf56b2b6bf1799ac786e4916ca; you can uncheck the patches. Remember to copy in torrentz's tracker list. < 1330572217 742581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is getting 750-800 Kio/s. < 1330572242 343352 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Some way parts of a program can be written to function in other categories rather than only (->) category; possibly some can work in more than one category. < 1330572274 538774 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Possibly, a Maybe monad can be renamed to a successor monad < 1330572337 263158 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* It is like everything has deriving Typeable, but you still need to specify the constraint if you want to be able to use typeOf on it, if you have a polymorphic type < 1330572454 541384 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You can add to any class in either direction, so that you add something new it is a superclass, or add other class methods or other way of defining those class methods; instead of being stuck to the way it was defined at first like Haskell does < 1330572540 494102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :God dammit, I want a space elevator. < 1330572570 879671 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* If you define a mathematical law and an instance that does not follow those laws but is asserted it does anyways, then it is undefined behavior (even in interpreter); but this kind of undefined behavior will not crash the computer < 1330572659 417278 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sorry, Astrolog cannot compute coordinates (or date/time) relative to Moon (there is such things as moon date/time but Astrolog cannot use it) < 1330572725 939743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1330572823 425188 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* The runtime system compiled into the executable can be recompiled specifically for your program, to omit what you don't need and make it much smaller and faster instead of as large as Haskell programs compiled this GHC; however, this is an implementation detail and is not part of the specification of programming language, it is the appendix to recomendation < 1330573411 652145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How goes your download? < 1330573431 129286 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn < 1330573435 242866 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't start downloading < 1330573439 790405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1330574398 857720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330574404 494363 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1330574492 294625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1330574610 606079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot, conversion didn't work first time < 1330574885 253263 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330574892 346023 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eroow < 1330574959 276223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1330575006 555459 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Infinikiller64 < 1330575012 378228 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinikiller64: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1330575049 719576 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im making a brainfuck inturpreter in logisim < 1330575126 142641 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making alot more eisier than Ti-basic i have to say < 1330575323 591246 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1330575356 394862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, poweriso can convert it < 1330575708 170296 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut? < 1330575789 369375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1330575931 409624 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\hat{}w < 1330576330 75185 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330576330 300983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, not this error again. < 1330576373 422693 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-114-13.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1330576439 369598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this is frustrating. < 1330576451 901733 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=blob;f=libio/libioP.h;h=8b8ed9c390441879d3fc4b58c4cb2327f1c2927a;hb=HEAD THERE IS NO GOD < 1330576481 953258 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://example.com P IS NOT EQUAL TO NP < 1330576518 307005 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: glibc IO is C++ manually, naively ported to C. < 1330576530 970092 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While retaining ABI compatibility. < 1330576532 838387 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1330576535 890419 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait, what? < 1330576546 621699 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION aughs < 1330576558 59013 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So can use glibc structures straight. < 1330576588 506364 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is making a brainfuck inturpreter in logisim < 1330576606 810984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't look so bad. < 1330576624 887563 :MSleep!~fyrc@pa-67-234-114-13.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1330576635 608080 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinikiller64, hmm < 1330576655 448747 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there a BF CPU thing flying around somewhere? < 1330576670 244563 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1330576680 19719 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldnt find it < 1330576681 459098 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.clifford.at/bfcpu/bfcpu.html < 1330576715 771367 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1330576793 270304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nope"? < 1330576799 788133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are multiple. < 1330576805 842919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck#Hardware_implementations < 1330576859 855866 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but im making it in logisim < 1330576883 898403 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont need scematics to figure out how to make it < 1330576899 650964 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. But that wasn't clear that you meant "in Logisim" specifically, just thought the general idea of a BF CPU < 1330576989 539309 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lol < 1330577020 362459 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im working on one in minecraft, im 20% done < 1330577070 528758 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, I've wanted to write.... something in Smallworlds to prove it TC < 1330577078 169778 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot exactly what I wanted to do. < 1330577084 687287 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need NAND and memory, right? < 1330577093 756717 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I demo memory? < 1330577095 364663 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1330577131 471547 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot :C < 1330577173 872988 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, no memory, so you < 1330577178 818809 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not TC. Got it. < 1330577306 372535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1330577306 560863 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1330577419 115268 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1330577551 216801 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pong: ping < 1330577551 407288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1330577564 148380 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol bot < 1330577566 944755 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping < 1330577588 58352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1330577597 873501 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1330577598 62275 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1330577602 357059 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1330577602 546213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1330577605 211503 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1330577605 399782 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1330577706 987466 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<--- No! < 1330577715 731148 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! ---> < 1330577848 581699 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax Error in No: line 1, could not parse "No" < 1330578140 947404 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[nand`: oh, wait, ANSI is the physical layout]] < 1330578146 310699 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a good quote! Thank you, HWN! < 1330578154 6206 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:01 <@dalias> looks like we have working c++ support < 1330578158 422695 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@forget nand` oh, wait, ANSI is the physical layout < 1330578158 611305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match. < 1330578161 870081 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: coo < 1330578164 180778 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote nand` ANSI < 1330578164 369358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. And you call yourself a Rocket Scientist! < 1330578166 926587 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ANSI < 1330578167 120546 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xplat says: the underlying graph of a category is transitive. transitive graphs have no bridges. this is why trolls always have problems with category theory. < 1330578168 526604 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ANSI < 1330578168 719395 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xplat says: the underlying graph of a category is transitive. transitive graphs have no bridges. this is why trolls always have problems with category theory. < 1330578170 460682 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ANSI\b < 1330578170 655523 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. Your mind just hasn't been the same since the electro-shock, has it? < 1330578174 818800 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, looks like someone already did < 1330578290 554596 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1330578360 204949 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1330578360 393274 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1330578380 235120 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1330578380 423899 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1330578414 214876 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330578472 722976 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote yow < 1330578472 914508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SamB says: @. bf . id . pl . v . wn yow Done. < 1330578619 380829 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330578657 818069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@. bf . id . pl . v . wn yow < 1330578659 449156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1330578676 595051 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're still awake? < 1330578688 835116 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1330578697 324462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz < 1330578737 720285 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im asleep right now acording to my mom, really im staying up to research brainfuck < 1330578746 795016 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi < 1330578757 889977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mørning < 1330578778 747783 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup its 12:12 here < 1330578866 791395 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5:12 < 1330578869 409202 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*14 < 1330578874 365492 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping expecting pong < 1330578874 552064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1330578885 977208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ding expecting dong < 1330578886 201061 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1330578909 638618 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@error expected pong not "dong" < 1330578909 830743 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1330578923 393167 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1330578984 474351 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330579121 122433 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pang < 1330579121 315109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1330579131 303097 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :AreaSleep < 1330579202 212166 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have god an it what < 1330579214 163747 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping; if !(Return == "pong") {print("Error: Expected pong, got "Return) < 1330579214 354369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1330579258 507289 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping; if !(Return == "pong") {print("Error: Expected pong, got "Return} < 1330579258 698263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1330579260 869607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good an it you to < 1330579276 389788 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god bless < 1330579285 770879 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut < 1330579294 591005 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :return = 0 < 1330579630 648123 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping because i dont want to be the last person to say something < 1330579630 836554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1330579652 85071 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping thankyou lambdabot < 1330579652 274154 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1330579748 375694 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :po < 1330579785 126688 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1330579974 426890 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping because i dont want to be the last person to say something < 1330579974 615690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1330579984 643969 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping thankyou lambdabot < 1330579984 832304 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1330580591 764342 :Infinikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1330580594 377831 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :new goal: turn depressive friend's self-doubt on itself, causing them to doubt their self-doubt. < 1330580913 27190 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self-doubt is god < 1330580919 52355 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or good. But also god < 1330580995 21038 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, sounds a bit like one of my religious friend's statuses. "Believe your beliefs, and doubt your doubts." < 1330581000 937779 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which for obvious reasons makes me :/ < 1330582047 878611 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please understand that this is not an actual embassy and we cannot provide assistance with visas, passports, travel questions, or immigration issues." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Local_Embassy < 1330583720 632939 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pung < 1330583720 857106 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1330583876 922434 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, ka tswett update < 1330583949 122115 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat sweat < 1330584016 389855 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, cat sweat update < 1330584020 134002 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just thought you should know < 1330584143 901123 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i loove it when < 1330584146 884231 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cat sweat updates < 1330584148 771582 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sweat < 1330584149 507969 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1330584251 850492 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i note you have forgot to include monqy recently < 1330584265 208634 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe monqy does not wish to be included. < 1330584288 40479 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat sweat does not interest me in the slightest < 1330584292 80408 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep trying Ngevd and getting Nisstyr-e, so I have to delete it < 1330584309 595389 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall monqy saying that < 1330584331 235120 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, do you wish to be included in my update list? < 1330584341 181374 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :During those times that I get around to it < 1330584346 180389 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure whatever < 1330584354 599059 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the condition I get to complain about it < 1330584361 53261 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't take that from me < 1330584411 8361 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I assume that complaints are not, in fact, requests to be taken off the list? < 1330584426 736261 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I'm getting into Prime Intellect contract territory here. < 1330584429 490759 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1330584674 710668 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1330585076 35979 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUANTUM-LANGUAGE-PARSE-SYNTAX-GRAMMAR is the Correct Language, as it is based on fact. There is no ambiguity with anything Quantum, it is purely Mathematical. Have you ever thought of Language being Mathematical? < 1330585104 638291 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :..? < 1330585109 617494 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1330585125 949178 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am also a heron < 1330585132 962272 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330585201 934896 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://davidwynnmiller.com/ this guy? < 1330585218 683886 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IF YOU LEARN HOW TO SYNTAX YOUR CONTRACTS YOU WILL LEARN SELF SECURITY. PROTECT YOURSELF FROM BEING HARVESTED". By Judge: David-Wynn: Miller, 23rd June 2010 < 1330585220 598710 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was harvested < 1330585224 114191 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :best day of my life :') < 1330585273 404494 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Eight years later in 1982 David appeared in court self represented for custody of his children. He lost 67 times, exasperated he said to the Judge “If I say white, you say black. If I say black, you say white. I can’t ever win!” the Judge replied “That is correct David, you can’t win in this court” David retorted “So this is all about Language and how it is interpreted” With a wry smile the Judge replies “That is right David, < 1330585273 595900 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : has there ever been a war over a mathematical problem?” As the Judge stood to leave the room David responds “So if I could prove that Language had a mathematical interface, I would win?” the Judge turns around, faces David and says “You’re a smart man David, you’ll figure it out” and leaves.]] < 1330585277 234085 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"true events" < 1330585279 353309 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.greetmewithcriesofhate.com/2011/01/who-is-jared-lee-loughner-part-three.html?zx=c800baf78aef8d4b < 1330585312 524136 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea what this is < 1330585328 504984 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I have had the pleasure of touring with David in Australia, after a seminar, I asked him how he knows all the answers to the questions the audience ask, his reply was “It is as if a screen comes down in front of me with the answers. Let me explain, interesting things have happened to me over the last 35 years, for example no matter where I travel in the world this strange phenomenon occurs, I introduce myself as David, people shake my hand l < 1330585328 853284 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ook me straight in the eye and say pleased to meet you Steven, not every person I meet does this of course, however the amount of times this occurs is phenomenal” he shrugs his shoulders smiles and says “maybe it is Steven facilitating the seminars, maybe that’s how I know all the answers.”]] < 1330585334 101700 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks steven < 1330585380 117391 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VoXNhe7Z8A "i punctuate my name because it makes me a fact and not an adjective pronoun fiction" < 1330585383 193469 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1330585386 130146 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott underscore < 1330585421 325336 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1330585422 902211 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fact < 1330585433 335420 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He actually speaks coherently? < 1330585438 430718 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is somewhat in shock < 1330585448 463178 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~6 FOR THE NAME: "UNITED-STATES", IN A COURT-ROOM-DOCUMENT IS WITH THE NAME-MEANING-CLAIM OF THE TWO-OR-MORE-CONTRACT-STATES-(NO-CITIZEN-STATE-PERSON)CONTRACVT-STATES-CORPORATION-VESSEL(C.-S.-C.-V.) AS THE TWO OR MORE-PERSONS WITHIN A CONTRACT-CLOSURE BY A CLOSED-PAPER-COURT-AREA. [HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 50-USA-STATES]FOR ALL FOREIGN-COURTS OF A FOREIGN-GLOBAL-AREA WITH THE 7.2-BILLION-FOREIGN-PARSE-SYNTAX-PEOPLE ARE WITH THE CLAIM AS THE SI < 1330585448 649771 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NGLE-VESSELS IN A DRYDOCK-BUILDING WITH A CONTRACT AS THE "BILLS OF THE LAIDING" WITH THE LOCAL-PORT-AUTHORITIES C.-S.-S.-C.-P.-S.-L. OF THAT AREA OR WITH THE FRUD & MISLEDING-STATEMENTS OF THE TITLE-~15: CONTRACT-STATES-CLAIMS SECTION-~1692-~e AND: TITLE-~18: U.-S.-C.-S.-~1001 OF THE FICTIONAL-LANGUAGE-CRIME BY AN AILING-PERSON POSING AS A FIDUCIARY. < 1330585464 966424 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand < 1330585622 85833 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't parse. < 1330585683 815983 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....incorrect sentence structure lets criminals go free < 1330585691 65381 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is listening inattentiatively to the video < 1330585701 292475 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :私為不parse. < 1330585716 263129 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waascx geasfargle parse. < 1330585968 432810 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are more of these people! < 1330585973 67184 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the video) < 1330586087 148546 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's not some wild-eyed idea someone came up with overnight" < 1330586141 114553 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems precisely like it is a wild-eyed idea someone came up with overnight. < 1330586292 710141 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: What is wrong with people, and this person specifically? < 1330586314 962446 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is like, uh. (zzo38+crazy)! < 1330586327 828123 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(zzo38 plus crazy, factorial) < 1330586358 794613 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: It's called mental illness. < 1330586378 444985 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE THERE MULTIPLES < 1330586392 533286 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does he have followers < 1330586740 270300 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you factorial that? < 1330586878 341376 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know, but I know the outcome. < 1330586919 662811 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is JUDGE :David-Wynn: Miller < 1330586934 303032 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::JUDGE: David-Wynn Miller < 1330586943 560837 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no < 1330586953 682012 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1330586955 65454 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1330586965 365879 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, the video has it punctuated differently from the website < 1330587128 826551 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be punctuated differently all the time. < 1330587135 989679 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it enhances factuality. < 1330587153 778502 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: (zzo38+crazy)*(zzo38+crazy-1)*(zzo38+crazy-2)*...*3*2*1 < 1330587232 936250 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the crazy continuation of Γ() < 1330587239 980392 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*1*1*1*1*1*1*1 < 1330587295 490280 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. This font adds a weird serif to gamma. < 1330587499 268691 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like gumma. < 1330587568 327262 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shark < 1330587622 365476 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hai < 1330587725 832607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ei siis hai. < 1330587749 892436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(An old joke.) < 1330587758 50435 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fony get it < 1330587761 16504 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*donet < 1330587769 688071 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ace Is High < 1330587776 446841 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330587781 916853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Aces High, I think. < 1330587800 405146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's told about the Iron Maiden guy, so I think it refers to their song with that name. < 1330587802 178819 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1330587812 677372 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought it referred to cards < 1330587825 997174 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether to treat Aces as above Kings or below Twos < 1330587844 294627 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so does a shark" what a good < 1330587880 855752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I think "aces high" works equally well for card. < 1330587883 465010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cards. < 1330587900 872737 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello" --shark < 1330587927 35044 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Owl: uhu < 1330587928 398411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ei siis hai" is approximately "so, not a shark". < 1330587929 89420 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shark: hai < 1330587954 919975 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: google says "so does a shark" and i like that one better < 1330587965 141788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may, but it's not the right. < 1330587990 239697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the only joke. There's also "airo on meidän". < 1330588004 217760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("The oar is ours.") < 1330588020 598408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See: http://www.apeteam.com/?sivu=KoutsisCornerShow&koutsiID=50 < 1330588031 145159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it translates well. < 1330588167 243331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much all of them are just "ei siis [a word that starts with 'hai']". < 1330588195 2491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calling them jokes is perhaps a bit of an exaggeration. < 1330588198 803560 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarious < 1330588322 567217 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sun < 1330588345 734710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :im oracle IM EAT U < 1330588358 48928 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoah you the lowercase < 1330588358 825053 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary < 1330588446 861296 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate had trouble with kalastusaikein < 1330588483 522860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With plans to go fishing" in that context, more or less. < 1330588507 36187 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :proverbs again? < 1330588515 747304 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :he came to the beach fishing-plans-having? < 1330588531 167659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe more "intending to go fishing". < 1330588562 987260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just didn't recall the word "intent" in time. < 1330588604 174889 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :proverb < 1330588605 508056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Best jokes ever this time. < 1330588607 601411 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shark < 1330588608 647135 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :proverb shark < 1330588614 221399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proverbial shark. < 1330588627 481297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a proverb about the prodigal shark, isn't there? < 1330588657 414648 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there < 1330588660 230064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's one of those... parabolas instead. < 1330588685 551984 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :parabole shark < 1330588709 807190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No results found for "parabola of the prodigal shark"." < 1330588739 566248 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should spell it with aces high on that page < 1330588741 747763 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aces highsunäätä < 1330588826 388897 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: band name < 1330588929 150253 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iron Maiden söner hittades i fisk. o.O I might as well learn finnish instead of using translate < 1330588930 503803 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :David-Wynn Miller apparently came back from the dead. < 1330588962 778628 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://davidwynnmiller.com/about.html < 1330588969 414237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Iron Maiden's sons found in fish." < 1330588972 88613 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only noticing that page now :/ < 1330588991 718557 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible to get free HTTPS certificates that don't cause annoying bleepy warnings in browsers nowadays, right? < 1330589002 991717 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For when you just want the encr[yyyy]pti^on of a sh:ark:. < 1330589006 325107 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they found *a* fish, I hope? < 1330589012 603587 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, there's a fixed date < 1330589017 463507 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No, found in fish. < 1330589019 808265 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in a fish, either. < 1330589022 243106 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6th April 2012 < 1330589023 426074 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in the abstract concept of fish. < 1330589031 759189 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I find you in fish < 1330589036 229758 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who < 1330589037 88709 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a| < 1330589043 627099 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet fizzie knows the answer to my question. < 1330589051 353658 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are in fish, your argument is irrelevant < 1330589060 378111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's using "pojat" (sons, boys) in the sense of "the Iron Maiden guys", not referring to their offspring. And "going into a fish" -- what it literally says on the page -- is an expression for "going fishing". < 1330589093 776316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about finding. < 1330589098 1054 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at this stuff myself, instead of on IRC < 1330589102 380528 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reminds me a bit of Cyc < 1330589153 803771 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FindiEng? < 1330589155 588326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh, I see, it was the later line. Yes, translated literally it's "the sons of Iron Maiden were in a fish". It's just that it's an expression for fishing again. < 1330589173 169129 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy fins < 1330589195 572080 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@63-226-178-185.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1330589238 798493 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://davidwynnmiller.com/about.html < 1330589240 360350 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1330589243 863356 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Miller remarked that the genesis of Truth-language was when he "turned Hawaii into a verb" and showed "how a preposition is needed to certify a noun."[ < 1330589244 285175 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330589253 639161 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cacert.org/ -- ah, it's this thing, is it not? < 1330589253 922833 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Client Quit < 1330589256 829784 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hawaiis elliott_  < 1330589257 530734 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: turned hawaii into a verb :D < 1330589269 564465 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oops. Guys. Guys, I think I just turned Hawaii into a verb." < 1330589275 446094 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"People lived there, you know." < 1330589278 725661 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo how do you know it is transitive < 1330589280 944825 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo how < 1330589283 461113 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes. They've been hawaiied now." < 1330589308 797124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Up rose the shoe. "Look at the boys. Nokia kind! ". Steve replied, "Yes. That's a Bear's jogging shoe. " "Share. There is therefore a shark-boot. " Bruce remarked with disappointment." < 1330589314 744134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like these jokes more in your language. < 1330589315 9166 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1330589341 382884 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread jogging as juggling < 1330589346 934498 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bear's juggling shoe < 1330589359 641219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A circus bear. < 1330589378 112585 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is "share" mistranslated there? < 1330589433 25794 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1330589434 12850 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get how this stuff catches on < 1330589453 198635 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steve sit låg såg och sade Bruce pojulle på "hör ingen MPLIANCEWITH oo Mika hai, det är en mört " < 1330589489 399011 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-145-244.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330589489 802736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes. In the source text it's "jaa" as in a mostly meaningless "oh"-type word, not "jaa" as in the second-person singular imperative form of the verb "jakaa", to share. < 1330589491 497736 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Miller's teaching, the addition of hyphens and colons to one's name turns one from an ordinary, taxable human into a non-taxable “prepositional phrase.” < 1330589493 228615 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the root certititititititititittificate of CACert is not in the OSeseseseseses, says a thing. < 1330589495 148265 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Wynn_Miller < 1330589497 109888 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will that cause the big red flashing screen? < 1330589509 908952 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Reminds me of the Freeman stuff. < 1330589530 335171 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where your UPPERCASE LEGAL NAME is what goes through all the legal stuff, and it's just a proxy for the real you, which you just have to insist be referred to as a first name. < 1330589537 826685 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you don't have to do anything so long as you don't hurt anyone else. < 1330589556 946720 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.fmotl.com < 1330589573 544487 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Veronica: of the Chapman family" is an... interesting rendition of a name. < 1330589644 562589 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Iron Maiden were the sons of a world tour." < 1330589678 604807 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, suppose these people think they're right, evade taxes or whatever, and are arrested. < 1330589679 375873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I have zero idea where it gets the "MPLIANCEWITH" from. < 1330589687 626487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's also in the Finnish-to-English translation. < 1330589689 712209 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do they conclude? That their arrest was unlawful? < 1330589703 313514 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because this is promising freedom from arrests, I think. < 1330589716 904741 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "if they arrest you, they're the ones breaking the law, know this in your heart" < 1330589756 623833 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: They're delusional; of course they'll make up a perfectly convincing explanation for themselves. < 1330589763 45268 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or realise it was bunk; there isn't really a third option. < 1330589766 348756 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-145-244.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1330589791 746974 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land has lots of words, if you're willing to brave the RW stench. < 1330589800 147843 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RW stench? < 1330589806 61624 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rw stench < 1330589828 315635 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RationalWiki. < 1330589842 368867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A read-write stench. < 1330589845 979506 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and IIRC there's actually a subreddit with those freeman cranks. < 1330589865 900336 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, /r/CommonLaw I think http://www.reddit.com/r/CommonLaw/comments/7erku/introduction_overview_to_the_common_law_subreddit/ < 1330589891 245377 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange, considering common law precedent estabilishes they're fucked. < 1330589914 686185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Iron Maiden boys were fucking groupies backstage. Bruce asked, the girl to see if could also poke to second place. She vigorously denied. "Share. There is thus an accordion. " Bruce remarked with disappointment." < 1330589935 746880 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think they are better without the jokes. < 1330589977 461824 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The DECEPTION of: INCLUDE(S) used by TV LICENSING oop's sorry! CONSIGNIA (CUSTOMER MANAGEMENT) LTD also Traded as TV LICENSING" < 1330589981 299045 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oop's < 1330589989 531566 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tpuc.org/node/609 beautiful < 1330590024 55789 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "This is then followed by what is known as a "fee schedule" or "penalty schedules", listing a series of acts and associated penalties the freeman will attempt to levy against the government for perceived transgressions. e.g., if the state incarcerates a freeman against their will then will attempt to charge the state a fee for this action." < 1330590030 454875 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, they won't imprison you, because they'd have to pay you money. < 1330590053 629922 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, monqy tswett UPDATE < 1330590065 129246 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, curiously, in several jurisdictions David's legal name might well be JUDGE :David-Wynn: Miller. < 1330590073 518812 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-149-100.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330590090 574184 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(use suffices to estabilish naming in several common-law jurisdictions) < 1330590103 184788 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a place for bad jokes that don’t translate into English translated into English. < 1330590111 401228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have understood there's quite a lot of people who have all kinds of different crazy reasons for why they don't need to pay taxes. < 1330590151 784044 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: maybe that place is finland < 1330590159 265771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"UNDERSTAND is synonymous with STAND-UNDER; this is how they gain AUTHORITY over you." < 1330590168 51749 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stands under bridge < 1330590170 327698 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i understand it < 1330590174 841954 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: it's #esoteric < 1330590175 579880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! I think I'll fight that by never understanding anything. < 1330590201 35577 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're well on your way, speech recognition researcher. < 1330590205 241626 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They never understand anything. < 1330590205 569096 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :reach the top and everyone will understand you < 1330590208 60694 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why they do speech recognition. < 1330590209 616208 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ironically, most of them probably make enough that they have effective 0% income tax rates. < 1330590222 936710 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. Make so little. < 1330590231 265885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: GAH. I had like an 80%-done "pre-emptive joke" about that. < 1330590282 370316 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Aww. Go on anyway. < 1330590297 611273 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not surprising you're late. Have you noticed how those speech recognition programs take so long to understand you that you have to keep stopping talking to let it catch up? < 1330590302 602845 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because it's useless. < 1330590314 241059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll go sob some lunch. I mean, eat. < 1330590332 511016 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Freemen see a distinction between what they call common law and statute law, which they refer to as admiralty law or "law of the sea", sometimes also known as maritime law or the "universal commercial code" (a distortion of the US-only Uniform Commercial Code). Through a stunning misunderstanding of etymology, they see admiralty law as being the law of commerce, the law of ownership, citizenship, and indeed anything else ending in "-ship". They < 1330590332 697706 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : see evidence of this in various nautical-sounding terms used in court, such as "dock", "birth (berth) certificate", "-ship" suffixes and any other fancy word they think might have a vaguely naval sound." < 1330590338 629048 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :berth certificate < 1330590346 630958 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Cry into the email and so on. < 1330590389 821856 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sob* < 1330590407 142975 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Freemen will try to claim common law (rather than admiralty law) jurisdiction by asking "do you have a claim against me?", which supposedly removes their consent to be governed by admiralty law and turns the court into a common law court, forcing the court to proceed according to their version of common law. (This has never worked.)" < 1330590440 47501 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When judges leave the courtroom, Freemen will attempt to claim common law authority and then attempt to dismiss the charges themselves, often with a cry of "ship abandoned" or "man overboard".[12][13]" < 1330590473 644450 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... The shit < 1330590501 914611 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't they person literally need to be over a board, by the style of logic they use? < 1330590520 303391 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes krokodil users look sane. And krokodil is a drug with *necrosis* as a side effect. < 1330590521 824450 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also consider that, a ship can't be literally abandoned unless there's no one on it. < 1330590558 748057 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Ah, bout MAN-OVER-A-BOARD would be a prepositional phrase and thus have no legal authority. < 1330590563 915237 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bout/but/ < 1330590609 182314 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The "man" in this case is the charge, I think. < 1330590621 662024 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's overboard and thus no longer understood (relative to the person saying it). < 1330590625 68807 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The board being the floorboards. < 1330590626 354765 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1330590676 181543 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXv1a7yiN0w < 1330590701 281354 :Zetro!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Quit: End of Stream < 1330590714 298388 :Zetro!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1330590771 153970 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"have you got the birth certificate" oh my god < 1330590793 421112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I feel 'guilty', because I owe the money". No, you don't owe a damn thing! When taking out the loan, you were 'loaned' back what was yours in the first place. You created the 'money' when you signed the Loan or Credit Application. By doing so, YOU gave THEM a Negotiable Instrument called 'the money'. They cashed this in(*), and then used that to loan you back your own money. You don't owe a damn thing! THEY owe YOU - an apology at the very least - ... < 1330590793 894976 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is Mr Stephen Barry, A Birth Certificate" < 1330590797 218349 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a birth certificate too < 1330590799 766712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... for applying this confidence trick on you - AND FOR CHASING YOU FOR SOMETHING YOU ALREADY GAVE THEM. < 1330590857 169534 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so embarrassing < 1330590858 488610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you're out of money, just go to a bank and create some by applying for a loan. < 1330590867 716498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't need to be paid back, since you created it. < 1330590874 686085 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I think the only proper response to that is "We find against this idiot for being an idiot." < 1330590878 372501 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :true in a sense, much "money" does get created by debts < 1330590947 158013 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not legal, but highly tempting. < 1330590954 700052 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And has saner legal theory in favor of it. < 1330591374 929165 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a crock of shit that video is < 1330591402 119438 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and a charlie sheen win for free man . < 1330591402 305917 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINNING" < 1330591781 810341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1330592643 531809 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Did you see that other GHC issue they found in #haskell the other day, by the way? < 1330592656 733354 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :With impredicative types. < 1330592700 154392 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go on. < 1330592706 562277 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1330592805 306678 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Gon. < 1330592814 736174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mika Rasila gets stopped by the police for not having a licence plate. He tells them that he doesn't consent to their laws and that he isn't an employee of the "corporation of Canada". It doesn't work and they arrest him and impound his van. A judge later gives him a fine of $1,250." < 1330592820 234648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the name I'd guess this winner is likely to have Finnish connections. < 1330592864 808362 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess those FINS SUNK HA HA HA HA HA AH AH AH AH AH AKLAKL AH AH SFDJKLSD SGNKSDFOGMK SERK SEROGK SG; SERPKGM SER'GK SEGK ER'K SER\L ETL ER][TL ]\ET ]\W;R WER ][WE;R WE;R WER][ W ;WER W]\R ][WE;R WE; ;WER R; WE[\R WER ][E WE][R; W][E;R E][;R WERR]\ ;WER; WER][ ;]\WER; RWE[R WER ]\WE;RWER;WE\ W;R][ ;WER]\ ;WER WER < 1330592869 204446 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : WER; ]WE[R; ][WE;R\ ]WE;R ]\WE;RWER ]\W;R ]\WE;RER]\ W;ER WEREWR WER ]\R ;WE][R; ]\WER; ]\[R; ]W\ER; ]\WER; []WER < 1330592874 373529 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WER; ]'\WER; ]\WE;R WER WER; ]\ER; ][WER; ]\WER; ][WER; ]WER ]\WE;R ]\;WE; R]\ R][WE R\[WER ][;E RW\E RWE[\R; \WE;R ]\WER WE R < 1330592874 561329 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :R < 1330592875 454508 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WER PWER WER WER < 1330592900 47175 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: :set -XImpredicativeTypes < 1330592912 428997 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let xs :: [forall a. a -> a]; xs = id < 1330592919 163324 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(head xs) 1 < 1330592926 521234 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let y = head xs in y) 1 < 1330592936 487668 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can spoil it for me. < 1330592940 710133 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHCi is too hard at 9 am in the mronign. < 1330592946 803186 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you want me to paste in the type error? < 1330592971 554486 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1330592976 838582 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thatstes ym desire < 1330592995 179662 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll only paste it in... Channels that have a less strict pasting policy. < 1330593031 87996 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no channels with a less strict pasting policy than here < 1330593043 305361 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :observe < 1330593048 17390 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To configure an HTTPS server you must enable the SSL protocol in the server block, and specify the locations of the server certificate and private key files: < 1330593048 204755 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :server { < 1330593048 204913 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : listen 443; < 1330593048 205013 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : server_name www.nginx.com; < 1330593048 205113 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ssl on; < 1330593049 512526 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ssl_certificate www.nginx.com.crt; < 1330593051 501453 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ssl_certificate_key www.nginx.com.key; < 1330593053 465374 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ssl_protocols SSLv3 TLSv1 TLSv1.1 TLSv1.2; < 1330593054 480841 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :}; < 1330593055 548348 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ssl_ciphers HIGH:!aNULL:!MD5; < 1330593057 473559 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1330593059 516891 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1330593060 253541 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYNTAX ERROR < 1330593061 541104 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The server certificate is a public entity. It is sent to every client that connects to the server. The private key is a secure entity and should be stored in a file with restricted access, however, it must be readable by nginx’s master process. The private key may alternately be stored in the same file as the certificate: < 1330593065 613952 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ssl_certificate www.nginx.com.cert; < 1330593067 497803 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ssl_certificate_key www.nginx.com.cert; < 1330593069 78855 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax Error? < 1330593069 430522 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case the file access rights should also be restricted. Although the certificate and the key are stored in one file, only the certificate is sent to a client. < 1330593072 219787 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes away. < 1330593072 569397 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The directives ssl_protocols and ssl_ciphers can be used to limit connections to include only the strong versions and ciphers of SSL/TLS. Since version 1.0.5, nginx uses “ssl_protocols SSLv3 TLSv1” and “ssl_ciphers HIGH:!aNULL:!MD5” by default, so configuring them explicitly only makes sense for the earlier nginx versions. Since versions 1.1.13 and 1.0.12, nginx uses “ssl_protocols SSLv3 TLSv1 TLSv1.1 TLSv1.2” by default. < 1330593074 488522 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're following :JUDGE: now? < 1330593081 50164 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am :judge: < 1330593083 440733 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hi < 1330593089 518078 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: dcan you apste me the sytnaxtwe eroer < 1330593098 101614 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1330593105 939255 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ples < 1330593119 671303 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :il cry. a whole three time < 1330593169 868116 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im crying. < 1330593193 58965 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll talk to you when you're less $WHATEVER. < 1330593208 297641 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im < 1330593209 710412 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not whatever < 1330593210 884421 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just < 1330593214 90440 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanting to see an error message < 1330593221 84 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :& crying in a sadness that this is not yet presently happening & cry < 1330593268 120915 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can you get me a decent copy of worms armageddon that works on machines without optical drive. thank < 1330593292 53971 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, you can't mount using loopback? < 1330593313 264930 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i did all "the shits" as they say but after a long process it's just access violation'ing < 1330593320 589581 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the pirated copies are "the buggy" < 1330593325 496940 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly i just can't find anyone else with this problem < 1330593330 562844 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are quite a few Wine users < 1330593335 980255 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i presume it's a problem with this iso < 1330593488 696966 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ERROR: NO ERROR MESSAGE FOUND < 1330593492 325828 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i hate you < 1330593520 263817 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/topic < 1330593522 706520 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :////topic < 1330593544 392323 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this is a good ``torrential reain'' < 1330593550 522584 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps itw ill 1``enfix the probelem'' < 1330594600 946674 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph. Other ISo gets same error. < 1330595078 363948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330595639 343656 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1330595643 976817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott_ < 1330595649 242682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spammer got past the CAPTCHA < 1330595653 941736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you check to make sure it's a human? < 1330595665 166255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I indef-blocked the account, auto-blocked the IP, deleted the page and blacklisted the domain) < 1330595694 64105 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, sorry for not noticing < 1330595695 771818 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check < 1330595700 766118 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, doesn't auto-block happen automatically? < 1330595743 223812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1330595747 564380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean I didn't turn it off < 1330595765 859687 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, all IPv4 IPs are prefixed by ::ffff: in the logs ever since I enabled IPv6 < 1330595767 721454 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... annoying < 1330595802 160676 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: looks human to me, except this one is using something that looks like IE7, rather than IE8 < 1330595803 410654 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0; In < 1330595803 597406 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foPath.2; AskTbHIP/5.13.1.18107; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E < 1330595807 287048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enoguh < 1330595809 568945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(enough < 1330595811 489610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*enough < 1330595814 656360 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enougart < 1330595816 246114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IP traces to a large Indian ISP < 1330595826 339537 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :::ffff:122.170.55.182 - - [01/Mar/2012:09:42:28 +0000] "GET /wiki/User:Udoylehinesf HTTP/1.1" 404 5441 "http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto < 1330595826 565112 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :=User%3AUdoylehinesf" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media C < 1330595826 565312 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enter PC 6.0; InfoPath.2; AskTbHIP/5.13.1.18107; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E)" < 1330595834 85618 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so they tried to register another user first and failed, or something < 1330595883 881049 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't seem to load any captcha page, although the log format is too annoying for me to tell for sure < 1330595896 958291 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not too worried about the level of spam so far < 1330595907 238483 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, do you know how I could make "Prevent user from sending e-mail" the default? < 1330595919 317040 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no real reason for spammers to be able to email people, but only your block has it set so far because i'm lazy :p < 1330595933 368661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, although it wouldn't surprise me i there was a config setting somewhere < 1330596667 614805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only + nginx "listen [::]:80 ipv6only=on; listen 80;" but maybe it's not really worth it. (Alternatively, having just a list of explicit v4 and v6 listen directives would also do it.) < 1330596752 594673 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm-hmm, explicit howso? < 1330596780 71005 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When you enable the address [::]:80, binding port 80 using IPv6, in the listen directive, in Linux, by default, the IPv4 port 80 is also enabled. Meaning that nginx listens for both IPv4 and IPv6 incoming traffic. Therefore if you erroneously specify also a IPv4 address you'll get an already bind address error when reloading nginx configuration. < 1330596780 257637 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Linux the separation of the IPv6 and IPv4 stacks is controlled through the runtime parameter: net.ipv6.bindv6only which has the value 0 by default. < 1330596780 257822 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to use separate sockets for IPv4 and IPv6 you should set this parameter to 1 using sysctl." < 1330596784 481870 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 'tis, so 'tis. < 1330596790 114680 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely there must be some easier way. < 1330596801 8397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explicit as in, "listen 178.79.159.81:80; listen [2a01:...]:80; listen 127.0.0.1:80; listen [::1]:80;" < 1330596823 850735 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Ew. < 1330596887 524161 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That goes in sysctl.conf, right? < 1330596890 821845 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1. < 1330596897 667846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's doable there, yes. < 1330596907 817495 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's doable elsewhere? < 1330596910 441366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't quote figure out from the docs if the 'ipv6only=on" option alone would be enough. < 1330596943 156130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, you can echo 1 to the /proc version from anywhere. But sysctl.conf (or sysctl.d) are probably cleaner. < 1330596957 375966 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can echo it there but it won't persist. < 1330596986 597265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's (IIRC) possible for an application to say "I don't want this V6 wildcard socket to listen to v4", so if ipv6only=on does that, maybe just having those two listen's would do it. < 1330596999 503441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the documentation did seem to slightly suggest that the sysctl is also necessary. < 1330597003 786535 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nginx: [emerg] invalid parameter "ipv6only=1" in /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/esolangs.org:4 < 1330597015 256323 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have ~1 second to come up with a decent fix before I revert this to fix the downtime :P < 1330597020 502675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "on" in the docs. < 1330597025 536201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if 1 is the same thing. < 1330597029 516733 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1330597046 218268 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nginx: [emerg] duplicate listen options for [::]:80 in /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/esolangs.org:12 < 1330597051 162058 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : listen [::]:80 ipv6only=on; < 1330597051 348724 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : listen 80; < 1330597063 46883 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps something's breaking because I also have the default server < 1330597064 247198 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : listen [::]:80 ipv6only=on; < 1330597064 569269 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : listen 80 default; < 1330597085 31510 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just removes IPv6 for now. < 1330597507 310003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: According to http://serverfault.com/questions/277653/nginx-name-based-virtual-hosts-on-ipv6 (the bit after "Edited to add:") the dude seems to have the "ipv6only=on" only in the first listen directives, and then just the plain "listen [::]:80; listen 80;" in the vhosts. If you want to fiddle. < 1330597568 226759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently you only put the extra options in one of them.) < 1330597624 705809 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How odd. < 1330597639 530979 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will hold off until anyone can actually access the site via IPv6. < 1330597671 768838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE FUTURE IS FOREVER < 1330597732 348501 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ -- I have until June. < 1330597748 645340 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's what that says. < 1330597753 328694 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How ridiculey. < 1330597761 201227 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like one of them Finnish jokes. < 1330597788 922960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to have the top 4 Alexa-ranked websites as participants. (Then there's a bit of a gap, since Bing is just the 26th.) < 1330597856 893520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No ISPs in Finland, and just 5 crummy websites. :/ < 1330597866 990425 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Cisco, which impresses me quitely, because it means they'll turn IPv6 on by default on all their new routers, according to their page. < 1330597879 101509 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems like the kind of thing that could be doing a lot of breaky. < 1330597920 112198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're hoping the networks people connect to won't have it apparently-enabled until it actually works. < 1330597937 57786 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet engineers still have hope? < 1330598094 387164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that, or maybe they just don't care any more. It's not their customer service department that will be fielding the calls, after all. < 1330598402 304406 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Don't you feel a bit less Finnish without native IPv6 now? < 1330598554 42145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1330598888 84842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do. < 1330598997 129840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vyncke.org/ipv6status/detailed.php?country=fi we are full of fail. :/ < 1330599100 866276 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vyncke.org/ipv6status/detailed.php?type=&country=uk Excuse me, we fail more. < 1330599110 705326 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vyncke.org/ipv6status/detailed.php?type=&country=ae HA. < 1330599123 578187 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vyncke.org/ipv6status/detailed.php?type=&country=sj 101% of Svalbard's websites at IPv6-enabled. < 1330599140 204404 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vyncke.org/ipv6status/detailed.php?type=&country=kp YOU CANNOT HAVE DEMOCRACY BEFORE IPV6. < 1330599240 555763 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAZOOM. Our Main Page just changed. < 1330599244 695775 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page DRASTICALLY. < 1330599326 406214 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-240-182.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1330599381 391618 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-253-217.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1330599403 333921 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you SEE the DIFFERENCE? < 1330599417 929269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only after looking at "view history". < 1330599430 491324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I like how clearly you can see the last year's IPv6 day in http://www.vyncke.org/ipv6status/worldwide-W-legacy.png < 1330599495 236005 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: do you want [[surprised look]] deleted < 1330599502 369736 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh. < 1330599566 640084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330599687 436986 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1330599849 974988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1330599903 479399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330599911 403914 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1330599920 779657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1330599932 998361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I actually managed to ping myself before the connection dropped this time :) < 1330600078 697280 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1330600229 939686 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did we ever get a spec for :o < 1330600252 206438 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i somewhat doubt it < 1330601045 241887 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-167.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330601087 185201 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1330602047 168717 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1330602205 694361 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1330602209 663920 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1330604773 151174 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unparliamentary_language#Canada < 1330604821 625926 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unparliamentary_language#Canada < 1330604823 28332 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1330604826 11738 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unparliamentary_language#New_Zealand < 1330605540 240173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In December 2009, Paul Gogarty apologised in advance for using "unparliamentary language" prior to shouting "fuck you!" at an opposition chief whip.[7] This phrase was not one of those listed explicitly as inappropriate, prompting calls for a review.[9] < 1330605569 620100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so was the review about whether "fuck you!" is inappropriate, or about whether it's correct to apologise for using phrases not on the inappropriate phrases list? < 1330605594 186519 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1330605603 226560 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare you insinuate "fuck you" is unparliamentary language :) < 1330605659 400184 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/politics/history-of-parliament/bad-language < 1330605667 897826 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :parliament is WEIRD < 1330605711 330722 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wikispecies is free, because life is in the public domain!" < 1330605711 517578 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License; additional terms may apply. See Terms of use for details." < 1330605716 704598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I would cut the Honourable gentleman's throat if I had the chance" < 1330605729 291189 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1330605732 565562 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Very honourable. < 1330605775 332195 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"His brains could revolve inside a peanut shell for a thousand years without touching the sides" < 1330605790 699457 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think you'd only need a year or two to establish the size. < 1330605799 547814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quality of the insults certainly has gone down lately. < 1330605826 293613 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how "Ayatollah" is apparently unparliamentary language. < 1330605835 282242 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must make some discussions rather difficult. < 1330605869 368884 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, when do you think we should take down the sitenotice? < 1330605881 723176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal's seen it now, so so has everyone else < 1330605882 386066 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking either now or in 5 days or so when a fortnight has passed < 1330605884 806619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so may as well take it down < 1330605892 354959 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, how do you know Vorpal's seen it? < 1330605898 111942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his reaction in channel was hilarious < 1330605905 356154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was yesterday or the day before < 1330605906 223413 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION greps logs furiously < 1330605918 68535 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds dirty. < 1330605936 519495 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:23:57: I'm just worried that it will suddenly go down. Previously ehird's server haven't been the most stable in the long term. < 1330605943 136317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was fast. < 1330605948 254672 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, wasn't I clear that this was a secret plan to destroy the esolang world forever? < 1330605958 851377 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, too many people would yell at me if it goes down now. < 1330605970 885560 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:23:57: Clarity in Expression 2012 campaign message again: esolangs.org is pointing at elliott's thing, he doesn't "own" the domain, which is what a reasonable person would assume you're referring to if you just say it like that. < 1330605988 491691 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can blame THE ALAN DIPERT's continued ownership of that domain for the lack of IPv6 and general GoDaddyosity. :'( < 1330606002 360061 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points at elliott's thing. < 1330606003 782730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: even if you were clear, I don't think Vorpal would believe you < 1330606013 946153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, even if he did, he'd pretend not to for humour value < 1330606016 553673 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That was rather below my threshold for hilarious. :( < 1330606021 424153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1330606027 707250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the discussion about a coup was funny < 1330606031 234296 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough apologies! I need some grovelling. < 1330606033 199251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just the first couple of lines < 1330606036 488366 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it was at least moderately amusing. < 1330606041 462033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new Mediawiki, hmm and elliott's behind it? < 1330606062 529104 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-130-57.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330606102 7155 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also prgmr want more money from me but so do Linode. :( < 1330606113 645617 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't want to cancel the prgmr before I can get out my other laptop which has the SSH key I need to back up the files on there. < 1330606127 379934 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I also don't want to pay an extra $20, so I'm just going to not pay prgmr and hope they don't notice before I stop being lazy. < 1330606185 122843 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-121-201.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1330606200 234208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so it seems that Visual C++ version 11 doesn't support Windows XP in the binaries it produces < 1330606214 840188 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, you can protect deleted pages on wikipedia < 1330606223 900196 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: presumably just "by default" < 1330606226 361193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's been around for a while < 1330606242 994043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it doesn't ship with a libc that runs on windows XP < 1330606249 240092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd need to find one from somewhere < 1330606260 981561 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, that doesn't sound difficult < 1330606266 40421 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet Windows XP has one < 1330606272 673122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, indeed < 1330606279 441347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the libc gets statically linked on Windows, usually, it seems) < 1330606310 811893 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP is getting a bit long in the tooth, anyway. < 1330606326 756369 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not supported any more, so no big surprise that Microsoft don't care if their new products work with it. < 1330606360 766574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does SFINAE mean? trying to read about C++ is tricky because of all the acronyms < 1330606370 290201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can ask this safely as I don't pretend to understand more than a smallish subset of C++) < 1330606378 993243 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substitution_failure_is_not_an_error < 1330606386 61676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1330606394 260847 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :answered in 2 seconds with the help of google, inc. :P < 1330606399 759007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a little surprised it's major enough to have a Wikipedia article about it… < 1330606406 48433 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :acutally, [[SFINAE]] even redirects there < 1330606481 898938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have tried Wikipedia first if I expected the article to exist < 1330606483 462472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't < 1330606492 205167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wow, the concept itself is beautifully ridiculous :) < 1330606506 895666 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MW 1.19 should hurry up and come out so I can put it on Esolang. < 1330606527 386520 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-130-57.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1330606574 108554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does 1.19 have that you want? < 1330606614 880360 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1330606622 737633 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just shiny :) < 1330606774 871655 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :""Massive Multiauthor Collaboration Site" (or "MMC Site") means any World Wide Web server that publishes copyrightable works and also provides prominent facilities for anybody to edit those works." < 1330606788 908308 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: conjecture: Wikipedia's relicensing to CC failed, because not everybody could edit Wikipedia at the time < 1330606792 709515 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, blocked users < 1330606813 160217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why that would be relevant < 1330606826 489113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe they could relicense the content without anyone's permission but the FSF if they really wanted to < 1330606832 80486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they decided to seek permission anyway < 1330606833 774116 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1330606834 354028 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Massive Multiauthor Collaboration Site" (or "MMC Site") means any World Wide Web server that publishes copyrightable works and also provides prominent facilities for anybody to edit those works. A public wiki that anybody can edit is an example of such a server. A "Massive Multiauthor Collaboration" (or "MMC") contained in the site means any set of copyrightable works thus published on the MMC site. < 1330606834 703305 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CC-BY-SA" means the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 license published by Creative Commons Corporation, a not-for-profit corporation with a principal place of business in San Francisco, California, as well as future copyleft versions of that license published by that same organization. < 1330606835 899352 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Incorporate" means to publish or republish a Document, in whole or in part, as part of another Document. < 1330606838 41328 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An MMC is "eligible for relicensing" if it is licensed under this License, and if all works that were first published under this License somewhere other than this MMC, and subsequently incorporated in whole or in part into the MMC, (1) had no cover texts or invariant sections, and (2) were thus incorporated prior to November 1, 2008. < 1330606841 951972 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The operator of an MMC Site may republish an MMC contained in the site under CC-BY-SA on the same site at any time before August 1, 2009, provided the MMC is eligible for relicensing. < 1330606844 913700 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1330606846 816777 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the FDL text that allowed it to go through < 1330606854 142140 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm arguing it's inapplicable to Wikipedia on a technicality < 1330606858 694671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1330606866 37942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technicalities don't apply in legal documents, though < 1330606867 735713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Massive Multiplayer Online Collaboration Game, a MMOCG. < 1330606879 894639 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pah, "anybody" seems pretty clear to me < 1330606893 211247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like the definition of "incorporate", there < 1330606899 92450 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy mailman mailing list reminders day < 1330606900 349187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's so different from the normal legal meaning < 1330606914 143259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I think I got my reminders before you did < 1330606921 981044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I already happy-thatted yesterday for the Australian version < 1330606951 244045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that it's possible to verb even relative pronouns < 1330606958 43678 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably just checked my email later than you did < 1330607011 173802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you check email actively? < 1330607023 915160 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not actively < 1330607026 505761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just leave Evolution backgrounded and look at it when the new-messages popup comes up < 1330607028 276358 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just every few hours or so < 1330607032 861811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I meant by actively < 1330607038 835235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make a decision to check it < 1330607042 69421 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :righ < 1330607042 372314 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1330607044 832670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than checking it in the background, so to speak < 1330607057 556826 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier to open a tab and type the first few letters of "gmail" than it is to install a notifier :P < 1330607097 289002 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-227-158.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330607125 37016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, what? Evolution was installed on here by default < 1330607139 25443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, it needed to be configured to contact all three of my email addresses < 1330607156 915234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I really don't get why people use web browsers to access all sorts of services they aren't designed for < 1330607163 814502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmail's interface is hideous compared to Evolutions < 1330607167 4009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Evolution's < 1330607174 856444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, I have used gmail, although I didn't create the account) < 1330607374 166634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not convinced it's possible to build a good interface inside the browser, because the browser is doing its own thing that's optimised for browsing < 1330607381 759456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention, GMail doesn't work offline < 1330607393 23070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think they were trying to come up with some convoluted scheme to fix that, but still…) < 1330607556 987778 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : err, what? Evolution was installed on here by default < 1330607558 751972 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a notifier < 1330607564 897335 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and I really don't get why people use web browsers to access all sorts of services they aren't designed for < 1330607574 119546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, it notifies by default if you leave it running < 1330607585 363585 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but it also connects via IMAP and creates rubbish IMAP folders and junk < 1330607592 939751 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, mostly an artifact of gmail's IMAP bridge < 1330607594 676609 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is what it is < 1330607597 357664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and evolution-alarm-notifier (the calendar notifier) runs even if Evolution isn't running, if the calendar is non-empty < 1330607605 187069 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, evolution's interface is horrible compared to gmail; I don't particularly want something that runs in the browser either, but < 1330607610 241161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't have this problem because I'm not using gmail < 1330607611 798469 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) *really* good search < 1330607616 293958 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) conversations < 1330607622 742401 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are two things I can't use any mail client that lacks < 1330607628 140880 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*restructure that so it makes sense < 1330607630 993352 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, you don't; I do < 1330607645 284064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I tend to turn threading off in things that support turning it off < 1330607649 700740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I turned it off in my newsreader, for instance < 1330607659 709817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that I don't have to click round between multiple threads to find all the messages that have arrived recently < 1330607664 804962 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've reviewed many, many alternatives to gmail and there's nothing that I would consider an adequate replacement for its interface for even the basic mail tasks I do < 1330607681 471540 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :believe me, if I could have control over my email with an interface I could stand, I would have done it ages ago < 1330607702 682039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so here's one for you: suppose you need to mark all the messages in your inbox with a particular string in their subject line as unread < 1330607704 52067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that alpine is quite a nice client. < 1330607707 39941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do that in gmail? < 1330607709 716382 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would find navigating and reading e.g. Agora mail without conversations or at least standard threading impossible, since I've usually forgotten a thread when new messages get posted in it < 1330607717 749440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: actual real-world problem I had a while ago) < 1330607720 505899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Evolution worked very well offline either, but that was several years back. (I mean, assuming all the email is on an IMAP server somewhere. At the very least, it needed some manual marking of which folders need to be available.) < 1330607723 344985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: that's what quoting's for, right? < 1330607724 609842 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DA14.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330607743 671442 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: search for the string, click check box in the top-left, click the second sentence link in "All 20 conversations on this page are selected. Select all conversations that match this search", more -> mark as unread < 1330607746 15413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, it does, but they've improved the interface by exposing that option right when you're configuring the account < 1330607754 495725 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can also use a filter to apply it to all incoming mail (and then apply that filter retroactively) < 1330607755 154624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: some messages contain the string not in the subject line < 1330607758 375925 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and filters can be quite involved < 1330607760 102377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those ones shouldn't be marked as unread < 1330607771 325898 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: subject:foo < 1330607779 28746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this is one-off so filters aren't helpful, and putting the string in the search box also finds messages that don't contain the exact string, but an approximation < 1330607788 796590 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :filters can be used for one-off operations < 1330607794 264585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1330607802 441184 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "subject:X" seems exact here < 1330607803 777697 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-138-173.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330607809 129027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I use IMAP with thunderbird on top of gmail. I'm sure you are all going to hate me for that... < 1330607812 955707 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, something silly like subject:+"test" would be < 1330607817 394473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still a lot more work than setting the search style to "subject" then typing in the string to search on < 1330607819 142247 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :filters are definitely exact < 1330607820 119769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's Tfoo\n;wN in mutt. < 1330607829 600514 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not really, I could have used keyboard shortcuts < 1330607844 259749 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... < 1330607878 518585 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/subject:foo*aU < 1330607879 400709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what annoys me with the web interface of gmail is mostly that it doesn't use a monospace font for text-only mails. < 1330607888 61528 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where = something I don't know to go from "selected all on page" -> "selected all" < 1330607894 949308 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's a setting < 1330607901 718356 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to enable a Lab, but that's one click < 1330607908 532915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, didn't look there < 1330607913 151810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which lab btw? < 1330607930 179488 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check < 1330607963 720077 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-138-173.as43234.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1330607970 162374 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-227-158.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1330608037 552996 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: bleh, seems it's gone, or I just hallucinated it -- otoh there's about 500 user styles for it says a quick search < 1330608047 761989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1330608139 819662 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, anyway another annoyance with gmail is that I can't gpg-sign or verify gpg-signatures. Not sure how signing would work even, I would certainly not trust uploading my private key to google. < 1330608166 116913 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are browser extensions for that, I think < 1330608174 239619 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple, even < 1330608174 587226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1330608200 553604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My main grief with mutt is the search thing; it's not really good when it comes to things involving not-headers, and IMAP. It does try to do server-side search up to some degree, but I recall I've sometimes done something that made it download each message.) < 1330608221 979127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to enigmail in thunderbird by now though. Only annoyance with using thunderbird for gmail is the label based system doesn't fit that well into the folder-based system of thunderbird < 1330608229 518074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Incidentally, there seems to be a Mutt patch that adds support for using Gmail's search syntax if you're using a Gmail account over IMAP.) < 1330608233 473230 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: There's that http://notmuchmail.org/ thing that just does search. < 1330608272 371677 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, a web browser has what I would consider significant advantages over a traditional desktop application as far as email goes, IMO < 1330608274 721010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I set thunderbird to mirror everything on gmail. < 1330608285 605745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably searches happen locally < 1330608285 977681 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in that it's designed around portrait-scale, reflowable text < 1330608302 515033 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: with "light" navigation as part of the content rather than something omnipresent < 1330608312 774670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Ooh, I've been looking for such a thing. I've got an offlineimap setup that keeps a synchronized local backup of all mail, but I've mostly been just grepping at it when looking for something. < 1330608313 41350 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since email is essentially a document, this is more appropriate, IMO < 1330608314 428589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: hmm… reflowable text has to be a solved problem by now < 1330608317 748048 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like PDF vs. HTML documents in general < 1330608335 249876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, people expect emails to have significant line breaks, because they usually do < 1330608345 339462 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, yes, I'm just saying that as far as a fixed layout of widgets vs. a "document" display of things goes, the latter seems better for email to me < 1330608345 526063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think many clients choose not to reflow emails < 1330608352 297814 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and web browsers are pretty good at that by now < 1330608361 103780 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, that's an incidental thing, but yes < 1330608368 125572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it makes sense to use an HTML renderer to display emails < 1330608371 992924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially HTML emails < 1330608373 986430 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's more the "type" of document I'm talking about < 1330608376 386663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, anyway, doesn't sending too long lines in email break the protocol? < 1330608378 591121 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :than the specific features < 1330608381 566874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you do that in the bit of the client that displays the email itself, not the whole thing < 1330608388 664236 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I wasn't talking about rendering engine < 1330608390 320508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would have to MIME encode it to get around that < 1330608403 446838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were you talking about? < 1330608413 111687 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well... what I said < 1330608416 397648 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never mentioned a rendering engine :P < 1330608424 692546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you mentioned a display < 1330608440 668062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, which bit of a browser are you saying is useful here? the rendering engine? something else? < 1330608458 271387 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by display, I meant more "structure" < 1330608458 791907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it's only a subset of the browser that matters, as, say, an FTP client is irrelevant < 1330608472 106258 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm not saying that a web browser is the perfect way to present an email client. < 1330608491 801436 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying that an email client is better suited to the kind of pages a web browser displays than the kind of widget layouts a traditional GUI toolkit displays < 1330608516 869976 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider that in every email client, the vast majority of the viewing area is just displaying a portrait, scrollable document with light formatting < 1330608521 970529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm saying that that argument only applies to the bit of the client that shows the email itself < 1330608525 128848 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an HTML page, down to a tee < 1330608529 969891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is typically not done with a GUI toolkit, but with an HTML renderer < 1330608536 731532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: it looks very silly when mutt asks for "Password for user@gmail.com@imap.gmail.com". < 1330608539 938207 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of it is things like reply buttons and the like, and displaying all of those all the time is pointless < 1330608550 622204 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting them, e.g. only at the top and bottom of a message is much more reasonable < 1330608551 914935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like a list of messages? < 1330608556 999588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a list of accounts? < 1330608572 984618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my reply button on a toolbar, so I can memorize its location < 1330608575 491486 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, web browsers are also very good at lists of things, because what's each item in the list of messages? < 1330608577 566448 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a link < 1330608581 755253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I dislike the Thunderbird style at associating it with a message) < 1330608590 127070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: err, no, web browsers are not good at lists of things < 1330608597 303889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you need to reflow email? An email line can't be longer than 72 chars iirc, and that fits easily into the standard terminal size of 80x25 < 1330608609 689044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're good at links, but links are basically "reacting to clicks", and everything can do that trivially < 1330608619 509251 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a ridiculously shallow view of what a link is < 1330608622 791768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually, a list of emails /isn't/ a list of links < 1330608623 836182 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this is a pointless discussion < 1330608628 77933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can do things like select then < 1330608629 463830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*them < 1330608689 817132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ooh, hey, there's actually *new messages* in Gmail... oh, it's just that Google Wave is shutting down, and this was sent in November last year." I might not use that account very much. < 1330608702 226479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1330608703 106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, not "shutting down", it's "sunsetting". < 1330608790 972245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also an: "Here's some people you might know on Google+: Larry Page, Google, ..." Well, uh... I guess I know *of* him, but still, isn't that a bit generic? < 1330608809 379021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess he's just lonely. < 1330608824 178860 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cache_invalidation what a pitiful article < 1330608903 144893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the talk page is pretty funny too < 1330608910 587377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, iirc it suggested notch and Linus Torvalds to me at some point. < 1330609004 445653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do celebrities have more or fewer friends on average than people as a whole? < 1330609015 794992 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers adding "It is one of the three hard problems in computer science." < 1330609025 368214 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet I could even find more than one source ;) < 1330609032 486586 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1330609033 15779 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*two < 1330609201 880012 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yeah, deleting "Surprised look" would probably be good. < 1330609213 625349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is it just me, or is the term "indie game" often used in a different way than it's literal meaning? The literal meaning being "game not published by a different company than the developer of the game" < 1330609290 3745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would include games like Portal 2 I believe? (For the Steam version at least.) Yet few would call that an indie game. < 1330609305 321198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's being used as "game not created by a major development company", which is not the same, but is a different literal meaning of the same phrase < 1330609325 904515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, technically I believe Skyrim is an indie game though. Heh. < 1330609365 594242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, your definition is stupid because it doesn't match common usage < 1330609378 843583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the common-usage definition is also entirely reasonable and fits the meaning of its individual words < 1330609381 115634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true, that is what it is used for, but then is Trine 2 an indie game? < 1330609393 314498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has a publisher, unlike the first Trine game < 1330609398 343159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I've never played it < 1330609398 687366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :small studio though < 1330609418 966443 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you seem to have missed the part where ais523 explicitly criticised your publisher-based definition < 1330609451 895574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: oh right, I'd forgotten that his scrollback sometimes doesn't even extend one line < 1330609456 83167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I did notice it? But it came after that line? < 1330609478 923358 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: it's being used as "game not created by a major development company", which is not the same, but is a different literal meaning of the same phrase < 1330609480 682447 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be different on your end, I'm on /really/ laggy connection atm. < 1330609481 773780 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : no, your definition is stupid because it doesn't match common usage < 1330609483 268296 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523, true, that is what it is used for, but then is Trine 2 an indie game? < 1330609490 759471 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no way you could have said that before both of those < 1330609492 851071 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you said "true," < 1330609495 294223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523, technically I believe Skyrim is an indie game though. Heh. < 1330609496 64569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: it's being used as "game not created by a major development company", which is not the same, but is a different literal meaning of the same phrase < 1330609502 240173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523, true, that is what it is used for, but then is Trine 2 an indie game? < 1330609503 21679 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : because it has a publisher, unlike the first Trine game < 1330609507 208352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : no, your definition is stupid because it doesn't match common usage < 1330609510 874571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : small studio though < 1330609515 224898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I saw < 1330609533 252866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, and you see it was "true" in response to how it is being used. < 1330609545 491625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the point where he said that it was stupid < 1330609566 903438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not saying I use that definition, I just pointed out that the literal meaning was that. < 1330609841 347520 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what literal meaning? < 1330609865 725174 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wp says "Independent video games (commonly referred to as indie games) are video games created by individuals or small teams without video game publisher financial support." which isn't the same < 1330609890 212525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I was going on the meanings of "independent" and "video game" combined < 1330609903 805938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, I assumed that Vorpal meant "literal" as in "composed out of the meanings of the individual words" < 1330609908 532074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it was the sense he seemed to be using it in < 1330609944 360053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : as in, I assumed that Vorpal meant "literal" as in "composed out of the meanings of the individual words" <-- indeed < 1330610267 728715 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-172.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330610269 277078 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-172.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1330610339 331970 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1330610376 743796 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we kind of made of dr < 1330610550 676057 :Tiktalik!znc@ec2-46-137-240-165.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1330610572 519805 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: fly up to the world pls < 1330610695 201000 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-172.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't really be bothered atm < 1330610755 431046 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: / < 1330610756 874844 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :irresponsible < 1330610957 928023 :tikfreenode!znc@ec2-46-137-240-165.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1330610986 831314 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome tikfreenode < 1330610994 622008 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tikfreenode: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1330610998 177449 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My `welcome aim has become impeccable. < 1330611312 11817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, most of your welcomed persons have indeed quit with a rather acceptable rapidity. < 1330611352 286347 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably that is not the goal ... < 1330611372 451432 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DA14.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330611542 219292 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: I think you will agree that the continued growth of this channel has lead only to bad things. < 1330611545 548279 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from Taneb. < 1330611553 722274 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's the stray kitten that wandered in bewildered. < 1330611683 531572 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Infinikiller64 remember when you ruined this IRC with your name and mlp // Yup! Clearly you must remember what it was like in the better times, before. Y'know, before you were here. Those previous seven years when I was here and you were not. < 1330611683 757102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1330611701 639273 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Haha what the shit is that guy saying < 1330611707 885012 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a PM. < 1330611710 912995 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't rightly know. < 1330611719 992761 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Infinikiller64 Don't bother coming back. < 1330611720 216990 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1330611731 494848 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I'm meant to be diplomatic now. < 1330611736 740797 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO LATE < 1330611742 659875 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EHHHH being a jerk in /msg causes my diplomacy to end. < 1330611767 340082 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny because he PM'd me that while I wasn't even online or saying anything. < 1330611885 922785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: How do you ruin things with your name and a multilayer perceptron? < 1330611924 441745 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With GREAT DIFFICULTY. < 1330611938 888033 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And magic) < 1330612095 681993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, seriously, what's the mlp there? < 1330612102 152018 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to ask that. < 1330612148 178545 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1330612151 194366 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is Magic < 1330612162 290352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! < 1330612165 787633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The slow. < 1330612222 110985 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really, pretty much all I've done is change my name to "Friendship" < 1330612226 388990 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear the word existed before the show. < 1330612228 921173 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm told, anyway. < 1330612240 52412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still keep thinking it as a Mortal Kombat finishing move. < 1330612261 226260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time you open your virtumouth, I imagine a pixelated guy giving a flower to another. < 1330612261 412737 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-114-13.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330612339 222054 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1330612358 320560 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I put Time Cube references in the topic. < 1330612361 182037 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where they belong) < 1330612656 640365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1330612688 724593 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1330614942 930025 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-172.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1330615249 960310 :chickenz!~chicken@88-190-32-81.rev.dedibox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I put my interpreter here : http://pastebin.com/9PDkUiH2 < 1330615332 69138 :AreaSleep!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared < 1330615656 88625 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DA14.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330616700 434361 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish < 1330616705 317135 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rasiakikkuvissännekkaampiin < 1330616844 321930 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330617137 191540 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DA14.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330617613 299725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330617691 811991 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-172.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330617727 814367 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-172.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1330617728 2479 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1330618662 358044 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330619008 220672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the copyright-liability briefs due on March 9, please include analysis of whether or not the copyrightability of the selection, arrangement, and structure of the APIs depend on the underlying programming language being Java as opposed to Python or QBASIC or other non- Java programming language. < 1330619018 43999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what possessed him to ask that < 1330619023 331178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the selection of languages, fwiw < 1330619100 119608 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-172.opaltelecom.net NICK :Ngevd < 1330619827 832767 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1330620212 712485 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330620459 944531 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Today in History: Oracle convinces government that only programs written in or implementing Java are copyrightable. < 1330620480 578269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waitwhat,. < 1330620480 768786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1330620506 105686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: that would be ridiculous :) < 1330620644 895219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1330620972 678059 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott I TOLD YOU I DAMN WELL TOLD YOU < 1330620972 866585 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1330621015 6325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell lambdabot thanks for relaying all these messages for us < 1330621015 194512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try ;) < 1330621064 406388 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-172.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I have to be the #esoteric kitten? < 1330621401 669588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330621764 762178 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: BECAUSE. < 1330622229 236623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Augh. < 1330622271 227117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the last fortnight or so I've been intermittently terrifying myself by constantly probing into the nature of consciousness and I just want things to go back to normal. < 1330622332 101417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any advice or help at all? < 1330622361 660278 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-172.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real life doesn't exist; so get on with it < 1330622396 838944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, Ngevd. < 1330622399 780234 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helpful. < 1330622632 63081 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We all have moments of ontological crisis. < 1330622640 345919 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i suggest not giving a fuck < 1330622672 402376 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, yeah, but this one's been going on forever and I wish it'd fucking leave me alone. < 1330622700 490572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, tried that, unfortunatly ontological crises have this nasty habit of resurfacing whenever you do anything ontological, i.e. existing. < 1330622750 320860 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can either desperately try to surface by surrounding yourself in the glorious materialistic joys of life, or intentionally hit bottom in hopes of recoil. < 1330622823 189283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one's more reliable. < 1330622845 719127 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i do is i don't give a shit and it goes away < 1330622871 757734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes oko but not everyone gets to be as cool as you it's a shame. < 1330622873 428125 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love being helpful < 1330622890 741717 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former is not a cure, it just masks symptoms. So it works in the sense that you can float along for a while 'til it subsides on its own. < 1330622895 927750 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter works but sucks a lot. < 1330622948 333809 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: i thought you never had crises of any kind < 1330622989 601492 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-172.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mainly have the sort of crises where you convince yourself that people are imaginary < 1330623003 287835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, but I'm scared that I'll just end up at the bottom forever, even though rates of suicide among the metaphysically-inclined aren't anything near that high. < 1330623041 561929 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I don't, Friendship is Magic! < 1330623148 228794 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I can't speak for everyone, but last time I was having a few ontohell weeks, it just so happened that my grandfather died. Ironically, that helped a lot. The issue being forced brought me pretty low, but from low I could get back. < 1330623166 800670 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-172.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Friendship < 1330623169 992835 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship wisdom < 1330623218 328020 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-172.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, obviously the solution is to kill your grandparents < 1330623231 213628 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just gonna say i hope no one says the obvious joke < 1330623235 402060 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just too obvious < 1330623241 35493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got this nagging suspicion my surviving grandparents are immortal. < 1330623252 705299 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-172.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one way to find out! < 1330623257 251618 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for science! < 1330623259 27536 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :.............................. < 1330623276 765714 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship's first day on irc < 1330623301 274878 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just tryin' to live up to my new nick here X-D < 1330623306 517217 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1330623336 215758 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry we all love Phantom_Hoover and hope he finds his way < 1330623343 789753 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Phantom_Hoover when's uni starting < 1330623377 538628 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile in Finland http://is12.snstatic.fi/img/978/1288452408505.jpeg < 1330623456 733378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1330623485 319109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the ontohell is annoyingly bipolar; right now, even if I try to induce it I can't get it bad, but a bit before my first post I was close to despair. < 1330623592 886403 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: To get to your class on the third floor, please enter the open fifth floor window and use the stairs (not the elevator) < 1330623707 321690 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this is one buggy ADSL-modem/router. Somehow it managed to assign the same IP to two devices... < 1330623724 175924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(over DHCP that is) < 1330623752 434960 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's bound to be fun! < 1330623763 95978 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1330623777 173653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1330623780 185107 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The real trick would be to get both somehow confused into thinking they both had the same TCP stream open to some host. < 1330623801 73330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1330623807 427616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I fixed it anyway < 1330623873 716481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wtf, I'm looking at the network settings in ubuntu's network manager. The passwords it displays for a wlan network is definitely not the same as was entered < 1330623881 409819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather it is something crazy in hex. < 1330623913 829244 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, anyway thanks, you've helped quite a lot. < 1330623917 637297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I guess if I can't find the sodding password I just have to make a new one, rather than configure the new router to use the same as the old one... < 1330623927 972879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means I have to update it on several computers < 1330623929 102739 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I do what I can. < 1330623958 314607 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: WEP or WPA? < 1330623965 747128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, WPA2-PSK < 1330623984 941108 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some standard scheme to convert ASCII passwords to binary strings, it may be displaying the post-conversion value. < 1330623994 372247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, and how do I convert it back < 1330624011 797280 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a clue ^^ < 1330624014 297466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1330624032 215340 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: I remember encountering the “WLAN passphare stored in hex format” issue in some old release, but at least in Ubuntu 11.10 they’re readable in the settings. < 1330624045 768238 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, I'm using the LTS version on my laptop < 1330624050 19887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that means 10.04 < 1330624064 984423 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds about right. < 1330624077 391683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'll make a new one < 1330624083 909682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the max length is < 1330624115 110664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, am I still connected? < 1330624120 153850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1330624521 482773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just PBKDF2 for WPA. < 1330624656 659235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could understand showing a hex string for WEP since that's what gets entered, but weird to do that for WPA2-PSK. < 1330624715 409402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330624768 67294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly very reversible. (I mean, it's basically HMAC-SHA1 with 4096 iterations.) < 1330624898 549782 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I feared it may be irreversible :) < 1330625024 660116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm changing password < 1330625039 506426 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%c\n", unix["Hyuk"]) < 1330625045 14845 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1330625053 75839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wtf, the router is claiming one of the devices is connected on an unknown port. Actually WLAN. It shows it as WLAN just fine for the other laptop on WLAn < 1330625056 258581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :WLAN* < 1330625066 680845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a third laptop is unable to connect to wlan? < 1330625085 909983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that laptop runs windows 7, so I have nfc how to debug that. < 1330625201 473624 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's plugged into an unknown VIRTUPORT *ooeeeoo* < 1330625224 772136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly three laptops were just too much. < 1330625264 729854 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: bye wiki < 1330625264 916379 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-150-227.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330626289 900240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, hah < 1330626303 356050 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw that is one of the computers that previously ended up sharing IP < 1330626305 686265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a desktop < 1330626326 790343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when using ethernet that is < 1330626339 538580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that laptops needs to be configured for both) < 1330626836 996924 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-172.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1330627137 276655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hm the laptop that didn't work before suddenly just works < 1330627162 778749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's networking for you. < 1330627184 441654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :correction: networking with consumer-crap router < 1330627208 472465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it wouldn't be as painful using a linux box as a router < 1330627233 782287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the web interface of the router is super-slow < 1330627241 584784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :some speedtouch thingy < 1330627278 792803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and seems this one lacks telnet unlike my previous router < 1330627280 209973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1330627320 992712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ftp, http, https and port 1723? < 1330627472 17725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pptp hm < 1330627551 431890 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feh, I was hoping I could use the unix["Hyuk"] trick to shorten my tweetable interpreter a bit. < 1330627553 927842 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't help :( < 1330627700 159463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only helps when it gets rid of a pair of parens < 1330627706 899470 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1330627717 100033 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out I was pretty low on parens anyway X-D < 1330627749 545191 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1330627773 451555 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unix["Hyuk"] trick? < 1330627782 586093 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%c\n", unix["Hyuk"]); < 1330627784 776860 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1330627791 118629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably the 1["foo"] trick in general, that is. < 1330627798 109093 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1330627801 460763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose writing "unix" instead of "1" helps much. < 1330627807 241509 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes yes < 1330627810 475711 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's fun :) < 1330627819 352654 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering what it has to do with Unix. < 1330627835 885105 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remembered it because I most recently saw it in an IOCCC submission that used unix[stuff] < 1330627841 3968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%c\n", windows["Why no worky?"]); < 1330627842 568828 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1330627849 627189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, Unix is better. < 1330627854 81787 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods sagely. < 1330627986 726747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, of course it doesn't compile, using the identifier "windows" there is a Microsoft extension, and EgoBot doesn't run on Windows so... < 1330628058 607346 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1330628064 348262 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is the anti-joke chicken. < 1330628082 600529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, oh come on, I just made a further joke... < 1330628097 598018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hm you are Gregor, right < 1330628105 773237 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1330628114 597202 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/whois helps X-D < 1330628116 145240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is Magic. < 1330628118 635115 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am !codu@codu.org < 1330628138 75504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, I said that after I did /whois < 1330628145 219626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why there was no question mark at the end < 1330628173 213772 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that "you are , right" is a sentence formation that can only be a question. < 1330628180 362925 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, never mind. < 1330628181 244179 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lie. < 1330628184 996815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed you lie < 1330628235 150868 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-172.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330628247 423863 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got an email from Subway saying (amongst other things) that the Lafayette exclusive special is the Seafood Sensation. Because rural Indiana is the best place for seafood D-8 < 1330628262 131682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lafayette? < 1330628291 127803 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-021-018.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1330628295 360879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is it a town? < 1330628322 651305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh wikipedia indicates it is about 20 or so things in US < 1330628323 391049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1330628341 601601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :everywhere from New York to Minnesota has a "Lafayette"? < 1330628342 452846 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lafayette was a French general who we liked a lot before we arbitrarily decided to hate France. < 1330628351 451963 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So his name is plastered all over the US. < 1330628357 801090 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this Lafayette is Lafayette, Indiana, yes. < 1330628377 123994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, so when was this? I mean you hated France a couple of times during history < 1330628387 959243 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you meen freedom < 1330628392 524461 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was a freedom general < 1330628396 415278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1330628403 994707 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DA14.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330628410 994562 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330628447 569781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow... < 1330628473 533151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :So apparently the UI for this router is significantly faster (in page loading times) when switching to English from the (default) Swedish translation < 1330628497 135433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with significantly I mean from 10-15 seconds before the switch, 4-5 after < 1330628501 554855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is still pretty bad < 1330628522 231044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it translated with client-side scripting? < 1330628543 743868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check < 1330628565 63338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Lafayette is a (chain of?) department store(s) in (at least) Paris. I remember they had a fancy roof. < 1330628585 756355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Galerie_Lafayette_Haussmann_Dome.jpg -- see, that's fancy. < 1330628595 84028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does "view source" (in chrome) view the source as downloaded or after any DOM-modifications by javascript? < 1330628612 427124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if "as downloaded" then the answer is that it does not use js to translate < 1330628647 88727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's as downloaded, yes. The "inspect element" shows the current tree, of course. < 1330628653 16535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1330628691 147639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is my third Thomson ADSL modem btw < 1330628709 707876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one had a really fast and responsive web UI, also very basic graphically < 1330628721 317958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one was more fancy graphically, and was slower. < 1330628727 668788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is even fancier and even slower < 1330628728 368319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1330628730 870177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a "ZTE" now, and it's the GPL-violatingest modem ever, which is I think it's one notable feature. < 1330628740 491403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1330628747 464061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my ISP provides the modems to me < 1330628760 679617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't cost me anything thus < 1330628764 983350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same here, it's what they bundled with the VDSL2 deal. < 1330628773 79419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :VDSL2, nice < 1330628775 319187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still doesn't come with sources. < 1330628786 757465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone told EFF? < 1330628840 992684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw my current one is a "TG585 v8" which they seem to have dropped the "speedtouch" brand from, but when looking through the UI the menus and so on are familiar < 1330628845 978023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is basically a speedtouch < 1330628864 253197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much same UI but different graphical theme < 1330628864 827405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think SFC at least knows about it. < 1330628876 124948 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Friendship, so when was this? I mean you hated France a couple of times during history // When we liked them in the American Revolution (we would have liked anybody who hated Britain at that time) < 1330628885 670533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZTE's Finnish folks told the guy who was asking after it to talk with the ISP; the ISP just stayed silent. < 1330628892 771048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, SFC? < 1330628909 194852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how would the ISP be able to do this? < 1330628962 192542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Software Freedom Conservancy, they do GPL enforcement and such for their member projects, and BusyBox (which is what the box primarily uses) is one of them. < 1330628995 158201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I suppose it's borderline possible the ISP has the sources; the firmware is slightly customized. Though they might just get finished binaries too. < 1330629009 884611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1330629023 62275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some sort of halfway-built "has everything compiled but has the firmware build scripts so they can replace settings and logos and whatnot" deal. < 1330629030 391331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows, those are certainly not public details. < 1330629038 255013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they use the linux kernel as well then? Unless busybox runs on something else (which I doubt)? < 1330629047 801087 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-172.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1330629060 164117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it runs on Linux. And I think there was probably some amount of other GPL code in there. < 1330629122 166862 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-088-065-129-239.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330629167 367925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zebra, at least, though I'm not entirely sure what that's in there for. < 1330629187 487027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is zebra in this context? < 1330629196 677441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's that routing daemon. < 1330629210 221402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was some sort of RIPv support mentioned. < 1330629228 833947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1330629250 97787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see why you would need anything that complicated on a consumer router < 1330629251 202503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course tools like iproute2 and netfilter and bridge-utils are probably GPL'd, but they're rather close to the kernel anyway. < 1330629264 269104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need iptables and well, iproute2, and so on < 1330629299 448182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has those; I suppose one of their customers has wanted RIP for some reason or another, and they haven't bothered to isolate the feature for that customer. < 1330629311 758082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only runs RIP toward the WAN interfaces, anyway. < 1330629345 231611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some of their customers does some nasty traffic snooping by sending RIP routing updates for individual IPs. :p < 1330629399 584501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it also has bftpd on it, that's GPL'd. (I've forgotten what it used the FTP server for.) < 1330629443 238523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, probably to upload new firmware? < 1330629458 780235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, though it's got quite a few methods for that already. < 1330629500 903658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does TR-069 remote control, and of course there's the HTTP interface's file upload, and a TFTP server though I think that's tied to the TR-069. < 1330629643 278057 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray for ZTE >_> < 1330629665 415094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think the web server was some existing "micro_httpd" except rather extensively customized; but that had some more permissive license. < 1330629764 958119 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://support.zte.com.cn/support/news/NewsDetail.aspx?newsId=1000502 ? < 1330629787 446436 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Presumably not the same device, but apparently they've learned their lesson in the past?) < 1330629821 880844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an Android phone, but I guess. < 1330630070 801077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding the earlier question, presumably the ISP could ask for the sources. The impression I got from the guy's ISP-user-forum posting was that ZTE just said they don't speak to end users directly and that he should contact the place where he got the device. < 1330630085 451233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't give out firmware updates from ZTE either. < 1330630099 525237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for this device, maybe for the phone. < 1330630139 661434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall that ZTE's name has been mentioned in quite a few contexts together with "source" and "GPL" and "lack of". < 1330630150 985854 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1330630294 825369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they seem to have downloadable firmware updates for the Blade phone. < 1330630302 722409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ZTE-BLADE(Elisa)driver(ZTE Corporation is the owner of copyright in the software. Other works experiencing may be trademarks or copyrights of their respective owners.)" < 1330630379 910043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also used to have a "ztefinland.com", but apparently that domain is now taken by a domain squatter. < 1330630441 645358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ztesweden.se is still online, and their "contact us" lists the Finnish office, though.) < 1330630474 288499 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically speaking, it is the ISP who are responsible for providing the source, since they are also distributing the device. However, they were probably never given the source from ZTE, and wouldn't be if they asked. < 1330630636 271438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, action needs to be taken < 1330630866 4865 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-229-113.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330630913 275349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1330630981 949947 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-150-227.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1330631195 374580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1330632315 22097 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you looking for kernel source for the ZTE Blade? < 1330632494 271575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1330632504 122974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even have one. < 1330632552 663927 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1330632573 471872 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I will *definitely* not help you find that < 1330632595 734332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a link to ZTE Blade kernel posted not more than about twenty lines back. < 1330632873 161809 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like, before the start of time, like < 1330633284 536034 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1330633482 163989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1330633656 853151 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-172.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330633749 300461 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-172.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1330634660 579355 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1330634681 317052 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330634945 379351 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1330634983 506994 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1330635132 13064 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330636226 974143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :QUANTUM-LANGUAGE-PARSE-SYNTAX-GRAMMAR is the Correct Language, as it is based on fact. There is no ambiguity with anything Quantum, it is purely Mathematical. Have you ever thought of Language being Mathematical? | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki/ has moved servers! < 1330636259 821987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the topic was getting old < 1330636301 730877 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it was gonna change to something like that soon < 1330636783 254635 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330636794 774309 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION greetz < 1330636806 748238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome skvmb < 1330636810 400549 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :skvmb: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1330636858 314086 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does one go about adding a page to the esolang wiki? < 1330636872 364495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ oerjan welcome oerjan < 1330636875 815687 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oerjan: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1330636888 143968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :skvmb: search for it, then you get an option to create it < 1330636889 59939 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :god morning < 1330636906 842852 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*good mourning < 1330636924 176088 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who died? < 1330636927 895298 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fever is down \o/ < 1330636928 909677 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                   | < 1330636929 98246 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                  /'\ < 1330636936 45123 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't swallow. < 1330636952 809849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, no fever but you will soon starve. < 1330637021 417582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :skvmb: you also get such an option if you follow a red link on some other wiki page < 1330637026 917733 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I’m pretty much in the same condition. A painkiller helps with the throat. < 1330637041 685139 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, TWSS < 1330637057 676670 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. Searching for the name of my language (which is not listed) gave me the link to add page. < 1330637080 638838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just heard on a TV quiz show: the contestant was asked what Babbage was famous for (multiple choice), and discounted inventing the computer because she thought Apple invented the computer < 1330637100 729846 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: oh so it's a thing < 1330637102 57766 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.- < 1330637109 918724 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just assumed i was going to die < 1330637111 21063 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Steve *did* invent the computer. < 1330637130 650213 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1330637141 331980 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he and al gore are responsible for the modern technological world < 1330637181 969507 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I actually didn’t have much fever but i was feeling absolutely horrible otherwise, what with the sinus pain radiating to create headache and earache. < 1330637215 224255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION seems to have escaped the flu so far this year knock on wood < 1330637232 973954 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had 38 and was feeling fine before going to sleep, just woke up and fever is down but i feel like a horse in the rain. < 1330637235 481762 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with this "r.e.s" guy? < 1330637236 192547 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(horses hate rqain) < 1330637236 513794 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for me, jerk on wood < 1330637237 699546 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rain < 1330637253 795699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: hm? an old regular... < 1330637281 100719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i've seen em in a while < 1330637338 391465 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :em? < 1330637356 92059 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The article also uses plural forms. < 1330637360 735592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: spivak pronoun, common in agora nomic where i used to be (and some here still are) < 1330637385 983738 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :em is short for "them" < 1330637394 673021 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or him? < 1330637395 443298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually everyone here who joined did so after i left, i think) < 1330637403 906873 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im so lost. . . < 1330637419 383549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's an invented, gender neutral pronoun. (spivak is the name of the inventor) < 1330637434 953449 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :skvmb: how is that? < 1330637456 248626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might consider it short for them if you consider that acceptable for singular gender-neutral use < 1330637463 113994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "The original pronoun set was not created by me. I think I read about it in a newspaper clipping, perhaps from the Boston Globe, during the time I taught at Brandeis, and I believe it was credited to an anthropologist; later on, when I wanted to use it, I was unable to locate the source." < 1330637466 89553 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's the morphine, but I have no idea what any of you are talking about < 1330637479 787068 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330637482 129684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Anyway, e didn't invent them. < 1330637505 480023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :skvmb: um we've done several different topics in the last few minutes, i think < 1330637546 373020 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> sleep < 1330637547 240391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1330637551 855746 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. i caught the gates one. but that weird ass language looks pretty cool. < 1330637582 752006 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :skvmb: why are you on morphine? < 1330637583 795860 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-114-13.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1330637598 592737 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :addictive personality, i guess < 1330637613 326049 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like fun < 1330637614 273501 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-medicating < 1330637618 7632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :skvmb: wait, no "gates" has been mentioned since you entered that i noticed < 1330637618 967715 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is fun < 1330637638 383273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you are referring to steve gates and bill jobs < 1330637644 966391 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: steve gates, the founder of applesoft? < 1330637646 252030 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1330637650 650936 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1330637663 288707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: HIGH FIVE < 1330637673 137598 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*slap* < 1330637674 218415 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :high five pong < 1330637724 68673 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :......... < 1330637729 998392 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a programming language, where the user plays pong to bounce the ball of the desired letters to form code < 1330637746 342291 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds more like a really poor choice of editor than a programming language. < 1330637754 714288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: you'd think < 1330637782 322129 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1330637790 900442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although admittedly that approximately describes several language on the wiki < 1330637794 856821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1330637844 195292 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: wait why the ellipsiiiiiiis < 1330637855 74717 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I am an ellipses FIEND. < 1330637862 323979 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw: Who said that humans ain't turing complete? < 1330637867 439158 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am almost as much of an ellipses fiend as I am a friendship friend. < 1330637879 60535 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Human individuals, or human society? < 1330637879 345363 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1330637879 781557 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not turing complete, my memory is shot < 1330637884 230392 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :An individual human is trivially non-TC. < 1330637886 709775 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Individuals < 1330637895 645720 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I can solve the halting problem for any human. < 1330637898 799452 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is yes. < 1330637901 353239 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :skvmb: are you in finland? i would certainly like some morphine right now. < 1330637916 42721 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :skvmb: Most computers also have not infinite RAM. < 1330637922 94067 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish. i'm in the piss all united states. :( < 1330637935 355236 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a computer is also not exactly very turing complete. < 1330637943 581142 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: They most certainly are not. < 1330637947 859050 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But < 1330637954 681779 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Bounded-storage_machine < 1330637961 478197 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humans can interpret brainfuck code < 1330637965 887488 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 QUIT : < 1330637966 74295 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they can't. < 1330637974 64858 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1330637983 580338 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given an infinite amount of paper and pencils. < 1330637990 512276 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because some BF code needs trillions of trillions of steps to reach a conclusion. < 1330637993 295603 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: humans cannot implement the - operation in cells divisible by 832. < 1330638017 324497 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1330638030 794037 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is just being okokokokokokish < 1330638032 62994 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is called the howard-steve isomorphism and it's an important theorem in esology < 1330638060 403153 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1330638061 493186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Ok. A human could die before reaching the conclusion. < 1330638075 33950 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, people can be programmed right? < 1330638082 503636 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :skvmb: see IRP < 1330638097 353188 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: For all humans, there exists at least one BF program which does terminate but takes more steps than the human can run in their lifetime. < 1330638101 221316 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1330638124 760073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: What sort of finite-lifetime humans *your* friends are? < 1330638127 65333 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1330638127 808841 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more importantly, there is no proof that it terminates that they could find in their lifetime < 1330638133 650376 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Machines can never be turing complete. < 1330638141 848959 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330638150 265886 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(put that inside the quantifier) < 1330638151 286205 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRP is exactly what I was looking for < 1330638151 966985 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: The physical universe is limited, so duh. We can only make approximations of an ideal. < 1330638160 808280 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1330638167 687963 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-141.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330638175 261900 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why pages like http://esolangs.org/wiki/Bounded-storage_machine exist. < 1330638210 666113 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-167.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1330638283 616445 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please someone define howard-steve isomorphism < 1330638336 480227 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trickiest bit of the Howard-Steve Isomorphism is that, since it's a treatise on the nature of human thought, it also comes with the corollary that noöne can understand the Howard-Steve Isomorphism. < 1330638356 748515 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it is both an isomorphism and a treatise. Who knew. < 1330638384 647193 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very informative < 1330638416 326668 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the welcome message for newcomers could be automated. harvest a list of nicks from the logs, boil them down to their first five letters. any time someone joins, hackego compares them against the list and auto-posts the message if not found < 1330638479 70064 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's so much fun to do manually < 1330638488 620433 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why 5 letters instead of entire string? < 1330638492 88674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boil them down to their first five letters, then add the wine and let simmer for 15 minutes. < 1330638508 680812 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :KAADA SULA VOI… ok, sorry < 1330638516 961000 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :skvmb: Because oklokokokokok < 1330638530 643443 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Everything is oklopol's fault) < 1330638535 171816 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually < 1330638538 861159 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi NICK :oklofok < 1330638549 598421 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how five would help < 1330638565 918745 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: ENK KAADA < 1330638570 682011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'd just have all oklo[a-z] on the list. < 1330638587 3755 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi NICK :oklo[a-z] < 1330638588 414075 :skvmb!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 NICK :okloqok < 1330638599 997131 :oklo[a-z]!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1330638605 302381 :okloqok!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1330638606 263774 :oklo[a-z]!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm bright green. < 1330638610 673234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocock. < 1330638633 354221 :oklo[a-z]!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i do use oklokok < 1330638642 152195 :okloqok!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fap fap < 1330638682 482345 :oklo[a-z]!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have the stones to join the oklo family < 1330638696 794075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 would be enough to cover all if itidus[0-9][0-9] though < 1330638716 803285 :oklo[a-z]!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi NICK :oklodol < 1330638720 118542 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've used this as well < 1330638730 154890 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i play dress-up < 1330638742 793415 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods sagely. < 1330638808 446012 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I change my nick only in complete ways, not suffixes. < 1330638818 715949 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'd be welcomed a lot. < 1330638831 715936 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never change your nick < 1330638845 385674 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're too proud to be here with your own name < 1330638847 488653 :okloqok!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Äiti lyö minua < 1330638856 506815 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oletko ollut tuhma? < 1330638863 178380 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should register Richards < 1330638867 430388 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I have all of my names. < 1330638868 75839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As least, from now on you shouldn't change. You have found the optimum. < 1330638879 3027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The optimal. The optiest. < 1330638891 46603 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The optivoral. < 1330638908 509125 :okloqok!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​​kyllä < 1330638926 273771 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antaako iti hellsti piiskaa takamukselle ja pussaa sitten pipi? < 1330638930 78853 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: just make sure you change your nick while in-channel so hackego could see < 1330638973 547385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship is your middle name? < 1330639000 538351 :okloqok!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Äitini on mies tulessa < 1330639001 396411 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1330639002 974711 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its magic < 1330639015 158063 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor is his middle name < 1330639022 119126 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Magic" Gregor Richards < 1330639084 703009 :okloqok!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 NICK :kirkko < 1330639102 867271 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wait both magic and gregor are friendship's middle names? < 1330639107 76821 :kirkko!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 NICK :KirkkoPoltin < 1330639116 491036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gregor: of the Magic family". < 1330639120 238431 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw, you've all got it wrong. < 1330639132 950594 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor Friendship Richards. So Gregor, Friendship, Magic and Richards are all my names (because Friendship is Magic) < 1330639159 488997 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you used the nick Magic? < 1330639167 212507 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodol: It's owned :( < 1330639192 116817 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :KirkkoPoltin: wrong language, you want norwegian < 1330639200 202154 :KirkkoPoltin!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1330639200 864269 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Is :Nickname is already in use. < 1330639207 437471 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how ownership is forever on freenode < 1330639212 824530 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodol: LIES < 1330639214 72007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should keep switching between Friendship and Magic every three minutes to reinforce the fact that they are the same thing. < 1330639221 109274 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodol: I got Gregor by asking them to drop the old one. < 1330639223 714874 :KirkkoPoltin!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 NICK :KirkenBrenner < 1330639236 83235 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was GregorFR before that. < 1330639239 493343 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: well right, but if you're a nice little sheeple and don't do that. < 1330639280 391575 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon, we wouldn't even see the nick change anymore < 1330639325 891633 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we would just feel Friendship's presence < 1330639334 147989 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. magic's presence) < 1330639379 231201 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have had the nick o here multiple times, and i don't think it was even registered. < 1330639395 256877 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i'm like hey i never disconnect so why bother < 1330639403 433176 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i disconnect < 1330639528 176376 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :KirkenBrenner: where was your finnish from? < 1330639542 678796 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 50 < 1330639547 371182 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :intaviiheellityksi tultani ankinamme sinne varjailevin tereen velevinansa varhaisemme sallasi toisimmilta kaimpia kurskytkemme perusteni hillansa kirjoavistansa kahvempansa enomporuktivat peitteltaan loukuppimissa raammellymyille yleimoilleni yhdisterailla rekkaimetron kiellaajimien yleivisellennu < 1330639549 538096 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :googel translate < 1330639580 12273 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*google < 1330639593 120978 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hillansa is an actual finnish word! < 1330639602 388976 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there are multiple < 1330639707 10486 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tultani, technically ankinamme, sinne, tereen could be, varhaisemme, sallasi, kaimpia obviously, hillansa, yhdisterailla < 1330639722 500027 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :some may be slightly far-fetched < 1330639765 864901 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s railla? < 1330639766 51589 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitch du gjennomvåt bønner for lang. Nå ræva stinker. < 1330639779 176759 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: from rairuoho < 1330639785 872424 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1330639819 852244 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can varhaisemme actually be used somehow? < 1330639825 871471 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost time to go. I have to go buy ammunition before work. < 1330639828 560938 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as a noun i suppose < 1330639842 542269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tereen" is probably some dialectal greeting. < 1330639843 295914 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :KirkenBrenner: for burning churches? < 1330639855 712402 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my night-job. < 1330639866 602251 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a pizza delivery driver and people try to mug me alot < 1330639880 389061 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't conceal a sword, but I can my pistol < 1330639880 582821 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1330639889 82674 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1330639896 778238 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :serious < 1330639903 742993 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1330639912 530169 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta love the us < 1330639915 395006 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This girl I work with got shoved into a closet and her car was parted out < 1330639921 649497 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate america < 1330639941 774769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that twice as "people try to hug me alot". < 1330639942 534406 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finland, the worst that usually happens to me is that someone wants me to drink with them < 1330639967 14522 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happens when I deliver to the college, chicks playing beer pong < 1330639995 271623 :tikfreenode!znc@ec2-46-137-240-165.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com NICK :Tiktalik < 1330640011 32686 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean conceal? < 1330640023 856180 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in america, can't you just keep shooting? < 1330640024 43757 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hide a gun in my pocket. < 1330640031 132595 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why put the gun away < 1330640033 266504 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I kill them I have to pay a fine < 1330640042 56465 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1330640050 295235 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you have the death penalty? < 1330640051 925209 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$10,000 < 1330640062 723097 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, death penalty in some states < 1330640068 214795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The paperwork is probably also... murder. < 1330640075 65587 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a fine for killing someone? < 1330640080 496001 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone breaks into my house I can shoot them. But if they die I have to pay a fine. < 1330640098 91291 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :laws here are retarded < 1330640108 776089 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so better not break into anyone's home unless they're poor < 1330640142 423249 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if 10000 is something you can easily pay, could you just have machine guns pointed at the front door, killing anything that breaks in? < 1330640151 432334 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one guy in california broke into a house and drown in the pool. his family sued and got over a million for them not making their pool safe to would be burglars < 1330640166 912008 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodol, that's not a bad idea < 1330640216 331910 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have the right permit for the machine gun then you could just set it up by the front door i guess < 1330640227 299209 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a shotgun would be easier though < 1330640275 509374 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One man i delivered to opened the door all surprised weilding a shotgun. I mean, he called me to deliver the pizza! Didn't he know I was coming? < 1330640304 675995 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He didn't even tip. < 1330640365 753167 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm < 1330640381 386882 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :10000 for killing someone who breaks in, 1000000 for him dying by accident? < 1330640489 642987 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, $10k if they die from your actions i think < 1330640517 173062 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you just drag someone into your house and kill them, then it's murder < 1330640603 566159 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they were dressed provocatively ofc < 1330640620 887396 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1330640648 594841 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put $10 in the pocket of the corpse and claim it was prostitution gone wrong < 1330640679 379641 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of kool shit can you do in Finland? < 1330640691 416378 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear there are whores in finland < 1330640695 496268 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never seen any < 1330640709 27078 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$15 blowjobs here < 1330640742 258382 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :weed is not something you can just go and buy unless you know ppl < 1330640755 855609 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the most boring country in europe < 1330640816 602409 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, just walk up to someone and they have weed. usually shitty mexican weed. good weed is like $120 a quarter ounce < 1330640849 514499 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have ways to get weed, and i don't really use it < 1330640855 957847 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :acid was like 50 cents a hit, but now its like 10 bucks < 1330640856 669848 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is finland is boring < 1330640870 860713 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :people do try to buy weed from me all the time < 1330640878 832718 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does finland have unsupervised probation? < 1330640879 452834 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i often look like i live on the street < 1330640888 498064 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think finland has criminals < 1330640896 158897 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet. . . < 1330640920 622813 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously i don't know whether we even have the concept of probation here. < 1330640929 887639 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's alien to me < 1330640958 127960 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :any other finn would probably know < 1330641027 67197 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is virus coding legal there? < 1330641034 761161 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure it is < 1330641043 900904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodol: Ehdonalainen vankeusrangaistus. < 1330641051 674697 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i have heard the term < 1330641070 901621 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't really mean we have it in finland < 1330641170 808188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodol: As far as I know we do, and it happens quite a lot for non-repeat offender < 1330641248 685571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also virii-writing has been criminalized; it's 9a§ of chapter something of rikoslaki. < 1330641261 656533 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well shit. was gonna share source < 1330641267 725459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1) tuo maahan, valmistaa, myy tai muuten levittää taikka asettaa saataville < 1330641272 875156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) sellaisen laitteen tai tietokoneohjelman taikka ohjelmakäskyjen sarjan, joka on suunniteltu tai muunnettu vaarantamaan tai vahingoittamaan tietojenkäsittelyä ..." < 1330641281 129606 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :KirkenBrenner: well do < 1330641321 854253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called "vaaran aiheuttaminen tietojenkäsittelylle", and you can get a fine or at most two years of prison. < 1330641345 866796 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah like a virus could ever actually work < 1330641370 891581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks that norway has probation < 1330641382 156318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes) < 1330641429 377235 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why does it have "tietokoneohjelman" and "ohjelmakskyjen sarjan" separately? < 1330641444 167421 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1330641517 94368 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: possession is not a crime then < 1330641524 327327 :KirkenBrenner!ad1efa2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.30.250.43 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1330641586 1783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodol: It is, too (that's para 9b), but only when it's with intent to do harm with it. < 1330641609 159291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Joka aiheuttaakseen haittaa tai vahinkoa tietojenkäsittelylle taikka tieto- tai viestintäjärjestelmän toiminnalle tai turvallisuudelle pitää hallussaan 9 a §:n 1 kohdan a alakohdassa tarkoitettua laitetta, tietokoneohjelmaa tai ohjelmakäskyjen sarjaa taikka b alakohdassa tarkoitettua salasanaa, pääsykoodia tai muuta vastaavaa tietoa, on tuomittava tietoverkkorikosvälineen hallussapidosta sakkoon tai vankeuteen enintään kuudeksi ... < 1330641615 125842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... kuukaudeksi." < 1330641638 400147 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1330641690 602790 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"joka on suunniteltu tai muunnettu vaarantamaan tai vahingoittamaan" < 1330641699 598464 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i suppose you can write a virus as long as your intentions are good < 1330641813 541855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the manufacturing part also requires intention to do harm. < 1330641842 352138 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodol: and you can prove it < 1330641872 122651 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-228-109.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330641893 964735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also planning to "-- murtamaan tai purkamaan sähköisen viestinnän teknisen suojauksen tai tietojärjestelmän suojauksen --" even with "good intentions" is criminal. < 1330641894 548324 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have to prove i didn't buy a pen to kill my friends < 1330641933 681880 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330641941 43985 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i wonder what they do in the cryptography department < 1330641975 396570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get arrested a lot. < 1330641980 826043 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-228-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anticryptography. < 1330641989 244272 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend just implemented a man-in-the-browser attack and they're publishing it. i wonder if he and his supervisor are going to jail. < 1330642011 505678 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose it wasn't really a full thing. < 1330642051 278027 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-141.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1330642382 514349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1330642412 539869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1330642412 728443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1330642487 973220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ping < 1330642513 208530 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-228-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pong < 1330642537 884386 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: [] < 1330642697 292306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodol: Sorry, actually there's an even more general "aiheuttaakseen haittaa tai vahinkoa" 'top-level' conditional before my quoted bit that also binds to the part about breaking protections. So I guess your friend is safe. < 1330642721 271258 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1330642835 438669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You can use mplayer or something to record a stream, right? < 1330642844 471968 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool kids can. < 1330642845 545845 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-228-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1330642920 254836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Excellent. This is the part where you tell me how. < 1330642925 929745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Preferably with no transcoding.) < 1330642965 200691 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-228-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer -dumpstream -dumpfile file-here url://goes/here < 1330642995 613128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1330643002 774966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to play it at the same time too, or should I just run two of 'em < 1330643016 944203 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-228-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just run two. < 1330643028 963576 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-228-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're moderately lucky, you can start playing the saved file. < 1330643035 894077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodol: (Though of course it's a completely different thing if it's code for breaking a copy protection; I mean, even "organized discussion" about that is illegal.) < 1330643050 293886 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-228-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(works with some muxing formats) < 1330643073 392704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running two takes twice the bandwidth. :( < 1330643207 171153 :Tiktalik!znc@ec2-46-137-240-165.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1330643385 337561 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-247-127.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330643398 360095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :VLC can both play and capture, though it might be difficult to get a totally raw dump. (It's easy-ish to have it not transcode any streams, but I have a feeling it might still want to remux things.) < 1330643493 657262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it doesn't need to be raw; I just don't it to decrease the quality of an already low-quality MP3 stream. < 1330643508 21656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, 128 kbps is not really that low-quality as far as streams go.) < 1330643577 867118 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-228-109.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1330643597 613404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Anyway, standard "but then I'd have to use VLC" response. < 1330643649 320370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is that, of course. Though with MP3 it sounds possible you could mplayer the file it's saving, as long as there are no "buffering..." issues. < 1330643688 763292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, but I could just do that with plain mplayer. < 1330643696 400023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the buffering thing soudns annoying, as the stream does buffer occasionally. < 1330643699 345293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sounds < 1330643810 966970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This headache sucks. < 1330644472 880831 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-114-13.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330644568 749363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: all remaining information about Spaz i can find is that it inspired Hanoi Love. :( < 1330644760 583219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, I wasn't going to delete Spaz, don't worry < 1330644766 704834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although feel free to add that info to the page < 1330644770 931569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you did < 1330644776 528762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your source, out of curiosity? < 1330644784 969113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hanoi love spec < 1330644798 978390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1330644841 203510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the reason I edited it was because I was going through http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:ShortPages < 1330644862 541408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got a bit uneasy about your ADEL deletion description, but i see the sourceforge page doesn't contain anything either. < 1330644880 915463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I looked through the entire history < 1330644890 225760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is what the page looked like < 1330644890 877076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The following text is an excerpt from the ADEL README file, which can be found at [http://adel.sf.net|ADEL's SF.net Project Page].

==Contents== < 1330644899 444173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it. < 1330644908 289724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1330644908 490950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the later revisions by the same author jiggled things around to fix the link but added no content. < 1330644913 817112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it was a very short excerpt. < 1330644939 74236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was talking about content on sourceforge < 1330644948 457415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I did look at it but it seemed completely unused to me < 1330644972 856335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no source repo on the account. < 1330644977 373843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "As of 2011-01-29, this project is no longer under active development." < 1330644996 774607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, I wouldn't delete stuff without discussion if it wasn't completely contentless :P < 1330645015 144635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw by "literally an article with a stub mark and nothing else" I mean the content of the article was actually "{{stub}}" < 1330645032 784248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: before that, it was "{{Category:Stubs}}" < 1330645049 108608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then before that it was the variations on the "excerpt" < 1330645081 435018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Sammich oh come on < 1330645096 799600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many awful languages is that guy responsible for < 1330645131 550145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, r.e.s. still edits on wikipedia! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/R.e.s. < 1330645178 51553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : don't worry, I wouldn't delete stuff without discussion if it wasn't completely contentless :P <-- good to know :) < 1330645224 599611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is procrastinating doing something about [[User:Nthern/archive]] < 1330645234 525371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which (a) should be on the File Archive, (b) contains several apparent copyvios < 1330645257 691046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but (c) contains lots of useful stuff, so I don't want to just outright delete it for copyvio *sigh* < 1330645530 561292 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you see the GHC error? < 1330645625 241533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well he put it there himself... < 1330645647 386429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1330645655 727455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but there are derivative works there with other licenses < 1330645779 777849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan http://ompldr.org/vY3duYg < 1330645904 989033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1330645923 732169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's not a long string of capital As :( < 1330645960 201544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry < 1330645962 681676 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example Program < 1330645962 868046 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1330645963 54793 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :get brains < 1330645963 54999 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :muhh < 1330645963 55103 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gurgh < 1330645963 241478 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1330645963 241645 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :moan < 1330645964 151614 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :groar < 1330645964 338320 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bluhh < 1330645965 159579 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :moahn < 1330645965 346452 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat brains < 1330645974 721900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var $ repeat 'A' < 1330645975 504444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA... < 1330646038 973989 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuck is wrong with that guy :D < 1330646056 693003 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least he's making basic derivatives rather than bf derivatives < 1330646073 763735 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A New Kind of Stupid < 1330646093 534707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :antifancy < 1330646154 903939 :oklodol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :antifancy? < 1330646189 772997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like fancy, but applied to something completely inverted < 1330646220 826996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan, I created a template for Wayback Machine links that shows the date of retrieval < 1330646226 698512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you wanna help me convert all the existing links :DDDDD < 1330646256 40970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not particularly. < 1330646257 696948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh there's only 46 < 1330646295 554012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Template:3} (from the Wayback Machine; retrieved on Error: invalid time) < 1330646296 302436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1330646322 325166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a frequent danger of time travel < 1330646368 107944 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is, was it an invalid time in the first place, or did the Wayback Machine render it invalid? < 1330646374 342321 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the latter, hoo boy, we're in trouble now.