< 1329955376 511416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329955406 232409 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my internal conceptions at play are really quite a mess < 1329955422 943409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say < 1329956270 285561 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i first started thinking about random generation of useful things with graphics. i quickly realized the problem though when i found out that in an 8x8 grid that 2^64 possible graphics were possible < 1329956284 718356 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-055-119.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329956326 672023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you only care about b&w < 1329956343 879865 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next i suppose one removes the symmetries. i don't understand this process very well though. but i did manage it for the first 3 moves of tic tac toe. < 1329956401 384796 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one could consider tile-space in graphics.. and therefore remove all toroidal symmetries < 1329956441 732238 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tile-space is a bad neologism.. but imagining the 8x8 grid existing as a repeated tile < 1329956476 339330 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The eff, Adobe. < 1329956482 389925 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more Flash on Linux for not-Chrome. < 1329956494 373233 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wut? < 1329956497 829454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO all of that. < 1329956525 929081 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They're deprecating the NSAPI plugin entirely in favor of the Pepper API. < 1329956534 160349 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8981B.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329956535 241212 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Chrome is the only browser that implements that on any OS. < 1329956537 864782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're only distributing the Pepper-based version, and they say they're only distributing it as a bundle with Chrome, but that'll end up amounting to a Pepper<->NSAPI bridge being created and a script to extract Flash from the Chrome distribution. < 1329956556 45890 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1329956556 495998 :Tiktalik!~tikfreeno@ec2-46-137-240-165.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1329956557 320749 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :*.net *.split < 1329956557 771130 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1329956560 140568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bridge should be trivial enough if they only care about Flash, since obviously they'll have just ported from NSAPI to Pepper. < 1329956576 356238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, all that only applies to Linux still. < 1329956582 394823 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" next i suppose one removes the symmetries. i don't understand this process very well though. but i did manage it for the first 3 moves of tic tac toe." see group theory < 1329956596 215038 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ... a weird move. I don't think Google is even particularly interested in trying to take Firefox's lead in Linux ... < 1329956605 878692 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If it still has a lead) < 1329956606 180210 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It requires NaCl. < 1329956629 893077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Which is open source. < 1329956638 262397 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buhwhu? People use native client??? < 1329956654 402039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's Google, of course they use $GOOGLE_THING. < 1329956683 4953 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst part is, Pepper is based on NSAPI... < 1329956716 901308 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-15.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329956719 953598 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-15.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst part is, Pepper is based on NSAPI... < 1329956724 793140 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-15.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be hardly any effort to just continue supporting it. < 1329956726 867180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst part is, Pepper is based on NSAPI... < 1329956752 867757 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst part is, Pepper is based on NSAPI... < 1329956771 432334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst part is, Pepper is based on NSAPI... < 1329956782 876931 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Nicolaas Govert de Bruijn 1918-2012 | Worst part is, Pepper is based on NSAPI... | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki/ has moved servers! < 1329956787 294809 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-15.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, my connection drops like crazy. < 1329956900 832941 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329956901 19650 :Tiktalik!~tikfreeno@ec2-46-137-240-165.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1329956901 19829 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1329956901 19915 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1329956901 19994 :leguin.freenode.net TOPIC #esoteric :Nicolaas Govert de Bruijn 1918-2012 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki/ has moved servers! < 1329956920 51111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks adams < 1329956926 269517 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-226.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329956966 836636 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eheheh < 1329957036 771870 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats for all those bad references to hitchhikers < 1329957146 320175 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thadams < 1329957149 387838 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i feel rather clever to figure out filtering toroidal symmetry for tile-graphics generation. < 1329957243 102041 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even i can think up such things given enough time doing absolutely nothing at home < 1329957322 487634 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not important i know, just a quiet window to do my ranting < 1329957353 288711 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously group theory has some awesome symmetry stuff < 1329957395 441876 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i worked out the first 3 moves for tic tac toe.. and i looked it up i was quite amazed i got it all right. < 1329957398 188883 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll also link here in case other's haven't had the pleasure to read this http://www.math.hkbu.edu.hk/~ttang/newspaper/funnyarticle11.pdf < 1329957403 189632 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*others < 1329957404 48597 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :adkjf < 1329957447 272097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders who edited http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language
< 1329957474 69986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It maybe wasn't not me. < 1329957491 226775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW YOUR IP *MWAHAHAHA* < 1329957499 854542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1329957500 243927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1329957500 736112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1329957502 886603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's mutual. < 1329957504 275862 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did he doop? < 1329957506 200195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you like redivider right < 1329957528 276195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i don't recall what it was like < 1329957538 286658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the parser combinator tarpit < 1329957547 293797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Redivider/Underload_Interpreter http://esolangs.org/wiki/Redivider/Brainfuck_Interpreter < 1329957552 199070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most relevantly http://esolangs.org/wiki/Truth-machine#Redivider < 1329957574 276644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and http://esolangs.org/wiki/Redivider#Examples < 1329957605 190492 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: if you want something to do with your brain, you could prove that simplicial complexes occupy the same homotopy equivalence classes as sofic shifts in the weyl topology < 1329957614 744327 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i had this but it was too hard < 1329957648 450475 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have the simpler besicovitch case as of yesterday (although i've thought i had it about once a month since september) < 1329957698 967342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's really nice because everything is a parser < 1329957702 529503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even string literals are parsers < 1329957715 11149 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you mean it's really GAY because everything is parser < 1329957716 670506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just all higher-order parsers built up from a few operators < 1329957725 525416 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :higher-order GAY you mean? < 1329957727 439702 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1329957740 249599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i can't find the ~5-line ski in it that was really nice :( < 1329957747 776641 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: when looking at the 512 tiles that a NES game holds in it's memory at a given moment it got me thinking about the tiles.. so it has a pallete of 2^9 tiles out of a possible 2^64 tiles < 1329957773 528105 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so itidus21 and oerjan have the same color < 1329957781 731031 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had the most absurd experience just now. < 1329957795 249055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1329957812 847267 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gay still means happy. < 1329957814 23983 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my irc client colors people. i know it's racist but at least no one's black.) < 1329957842 327466 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My terminal’s background color is African-American. < 1329957851 28816 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine too < 1329957856 773334 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[polite form] < 1329957884 591978 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my background is pitch nigger < 1329957906 381853 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you saw my text in oerjan's color and the whole experience didn't make any sense < 1329957916 756819 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: i thought oerjan said your line < 1329957920 965403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329957928 66500 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan does not say something like that out of the blue. < 1329957934 507344 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.. thats quite absurd! < 1329957940 738172 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is very careful about mentioning numbers to me. < 1329957946 921936 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or TILES < 1329957954 250129 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M A FUCKING TILOPHILE < 1329957957 200123 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMMMM TILES < 1329957998 313318 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i need to sleep so goo night ^^ < 1329958010 935598 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that the NES can do vertical and horziontal flipping of tiles it does cut down the set from 2^64 slightly.. but i have no interest in calculating or asking anyone else to calculate how much < 1329958077 254645 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually.. nes tiles are 2 bits which probably means 2^128 < 1329958099 16433 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1329958102 186018 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nightynight < 1329958108 201979 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry go < 1329959435 477392 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-032-076.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329959481 237453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, Glass < 1329959521 54729 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, Ass < 1329959638 748267 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-055-119.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1329959904 418052 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, SS < 1329959952 646043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's glass with recycling! < 1329960030 255017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :{M[m(_x)0I!0c.?1O!1o.11?22"1"5S!5e.?=/(_x)11?\]} to be precise < 1329960127 443746 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods sagely, as if he can actually interpret his own language.
< 1329960337 72147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by recycling i mean that i'm using just the one (_x) local name < 1329960400 526002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure this makes it all that much more readable. < 1329960900 726087 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I can't read that. < 1329960904 669859 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look like normal Glass. < 1329960907 521325 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1329960911 766734 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I've forgotten some things. < 1329960926 380966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1329960949 486365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote it more normally first, then figured i could shorten it by using (_x) for everything < 1329960966 995292 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the (_x) is what's throwing me off... < 1329960995 669382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm basically using it as the variable name for _all_ the objects used, one after the other < 1329961031 608607 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1329961045 544322 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of that stack utilization < 1329961048 493459 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be why I can't read it. < 1329961055 425808 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheheh < 1329961081 437850 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass is my favorite OO stack language. < 1329961083 920182 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now why did I ever give you local variables X-P < 1329961098 429866 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because (_o)O! is tasty < 1329961102 133687 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faaaaairly certain that Glass is the /only/ OO stack language ... < 1329961173 233762 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, are you certain of that? < 1329961429 207402 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only fairly. < 1329961810 633804 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... what about.... < 1329961815 985352 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait Parrot is a register machine. < 1329961833 520318 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if "stack based OO language" described a lot of virtual machine languages. < 1329961840 672652 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's true. < 1329961848 226173 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :JVM fits the bill. < 1329961866 630837 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should make Glass the VM for Plof. :> < 1329961880 169538 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some... slight modifications < 1329961882 468960 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahno. < 1329962019 125567 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one go about translating a high level language to a stack language. < 1329962050 976823 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :translating to a register machine seems a bit more natural to me, due to the similarity to machine code. < 1329962207 496553 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You flatten the AST. < 1329962208 712438 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it. < 1329962296 354844 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-15.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor++ < 1329962585 268432 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nevermind < 1329962601 217626 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was overcomplicating it. < 1329962608 695557 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my brainplaces. < 1329962850 65731 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1329962872 899405 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1329964006 889890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_v)V!(_v)n.?(_o)O!(_o)o.?]} < 1329964007 580586 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anonymous1 < 1329965143 328818 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1329965781 349514 :zbrown_!~zbrown@rufius.xen.prgmr.com NICK :zbrown < 1329965786 303779 :zbrown!~zbrown@rufius.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1329965786 491021 :zbrown!~zbrown@unaffiliated/zbrown JOIN :#esoteric < 1329966079 585481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1329966282 18944 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh butt, I've forgotten how beautiful Glass is. < 1329966298 734 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, this is my new expletive. I butt to use it at least once in every message.) < 1329966359 31892 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, you're defining a new class called M, with one function, called m, which does... that. < 1329966415 292133 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Global variables are like THIS, class- or object-local variables like this, and stack variables like _this... < 1329966497 247055 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we push the name _v, then push the name V, then... okay, (_v)V! pretty much means "create a V named _v". < 1329966562 186583 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then (_v)n.? calls its n function, creating a new name and pushing it onto the stack... < 1329966591 552006 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we create an O called o_ and call its o function to output the name of the variable. < 1329966829 695707 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, there is one feature that Glass MUST HAVE. < 1329966855 38362 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A class that you can use to push the current continuation onto the stack. < 1329966934 329955 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh... next time I write a Glass implementation, it's going to have that. < 1329966973 674485 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329966983 381563 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know. I just might implement Glass in Lua. The implementation will work by compiling the Glass program into Lua code and evaluating it. < 1329967058 108888 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329967069 962839 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, rewrote http://esolangs.org/wiki/%E2%84%92 < 1329967331 86024 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its name is... the letter L in a math-calligraphic style? < 1329967352 985174 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come ℒ is in Unicode but a plain old italic L isn't? < 1329967387 155293 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Fancy L. < 1329967397 776748 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy L is just ... Fancy L. < 1329967610 122605 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also set up a redirect from the page "Fancy L" (and "Fancy-L") so I wouldn't have to figure out how to type it. < 1329967637 178132 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you set up a redirect from the page "SCRIPT CAPITAL L"? < 1329967667 319132 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody calls it that, it's Fancy L :) < 1329967951 659020 :Lymee!~moe@70.255.228.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329967951 929287 :Lymee!~moe@70.255.228.6 QUIT :Changing host < 1329967952 115952 :Lymee!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1329968021 441680 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a redirect from the page "$\mathcal{L}$"? < 1329968026 513351 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329968476 360952 :Lymee!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan NICK :Madoka-Kaname < 1329969133 376522 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh NOW i get why it's called fancy L < 1329969159 757250 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats absurdly literal interpretation of fancy L < 1329970881 406710 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1329970899 64196 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :contemplates a pc case move < 1329971303 841084 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1329971637 436969 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329974035 445556 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1329974778 586902 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1329975101 671825 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329975139 988551 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :successful pc case move < 1329975498 99879 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations < 1329975510 415310 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSleep17 < 1329976013 160605 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real purpose is that i thought to myself.. what is the number 1 reason i don't do much reading < 1329976027 895745 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i thought, honestly there is very little empty desk space in my room < 1329976097 678515 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have these weird projects going in my room like collecting local newspapers < 1329976218 196746 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had my pc up on a desk for easy access to the back but it seemed not worth it in long run.. space better used as an actual desk < 1329978026 606945 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329978835 831619 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1329985292 239353 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329985319 41060 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this RNG actually uses string processing < 1329985570 82158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it has been written by a TCL guy? Everything's a string, and all that. < 1329985683 908337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also is it a PRNG instead of a RNG? (This message sponsored by the "Exactness in Expression 2012" campaign.) < 1329985954 546097 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, this RNG makes numbers exist.. it doesn't select them as such. < 1329985994 803795 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-15.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Tclers don't generally do that *outside* of Tcl. < 1329986010 966673 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-15.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because holy *crap* it's hard to do Tclish tricks with strings outside of Tcl. :) < 1329986059 74472 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean where do you think the integers came from? < 1329986065 443338 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-j < 1329986074 507752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a "hard-core Tcler", then. I'm sure there are some. Tattooed all over with Tcl code and so on. < 1329986164 334976 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hardcore they illegally change their name to some tcl code < 1329986220 566639 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: which RNG? < 1329986236 663304 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's a middle-square RNG, working in decimal < 1329986244 828843 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's in one of NVidia's CUDA examples < 1329986252 623238 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, PRNG < 1329986286 502669 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only string processing ... but on a GPU? < 1329986296 275375 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the CPU portion of the code < 1329986301 838376 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully, for sanity < 1329986317 797798 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CUDA doesn't have a string type, or any type vaguely corresponding to it < 1329986332 891080 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the closest you could get would be int[N] for some constant N < 1329987416 794539 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329987438 987520 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1329987687 728123 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1329987715 126191 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how am I meant to search for the fields in a data type called cData? < 1329987731 882085 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep getting results for CDATA instead < 1329987755 804017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Finland's (ex- or soon-to-be-ex-)presiden't husband looking as if he'd be staring at the bosom of Denmark's crown princess qualifies as "international news"; the headlines here (there's a stand at the lunch-place) have now dutifully reported that UK's The Sun and some "Jay Leno" dude have now laughed at him. < 1329987974 776488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/typos/corrections/ < 1329988022 19861 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, the Sun report anything. < 1329988085 157476 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I Got News For You were laughing at it too < 1329988534 458532 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made a different Thue Truth-machine < 1329988548 134876 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one character shorter, but can use more memory < 1329988592 394842 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n::=::: < 1329988599 42298 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0::=~0 < 1329988604 31917 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1::=a1 < 1329988608 948108 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a::=~1 < 1329988610 573291 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :::= < 1329988611 526902 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1329988654 327745 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strictly speaking, it may never output 1 at all < 1329988741 176087 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I prefer the one that I didn't write < 1329988755 890348 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does OpenGL use char* for ptrdiff_t? < 1329988756 247051 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, DMM hasn't replied to my email < 1329988763 677635 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bizarre, it should just use ptrdiff_t < 1329988773 745979 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an equivalent, like int < 1329988967 725560 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1329990028 50244 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMM replied! < 1329990029 213115 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1329990120 989739 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Added his version of the Whenever Truth-machine < 1329991105 724810 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1329991586 968126 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, kallisti has been updated. < 1329991608 768058 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh cool < 1329991908 259430 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1329992389 719792 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1329992439 919307 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1329993075 186323 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1329993392 792300 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-032-076.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1329993470 318648 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-032-076.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329994899 814295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329996262 612418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :security update in CVS? what? < 1329996272 794068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd assume that'd be stable by now… < 1329996276 502801 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...CVS? < 1329996848 808579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1329996864 413096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's installed here, which is reasonable, as I guess it's a dependency of something, and I might even have had to download CVS repos on occasoin < 1329996866 473097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*occasion < 1329997716 501872 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329998595 674795 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can you delete "Facny L" for me kthx >_> < 1329998644 939343 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, do we need a category for "fancy-L-equivalent"? To categorize e.g. Befunge/index.php and HQ9+B < 1329998918 962256 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-032-076.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1329998965 404059 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-032-076.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329999915 236866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newsflash: Russia wins the race to Singularity. (Source: Usenet.) < 1330000010 617544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This usage of a default BeVerb in Russian AI is a new technique in the year 2012 of the Mayan Calendar and may not only constitute unpatentable _prior art_ in AI but may also contribute to a Technological Singularity if Russia repeats her spectacular success of first place in the sweepstakes of exploring the Dark Side of the Moon. It will be "GAME OVER", if the creative minds of Russia create the expanded Mind of Dushka." < 1330000161 122096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the full story, see http://sprunge.us/ZHNX) < 1330000217 905732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1330000695 219899 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1330001208 64574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330001232 355358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: done < 1330001504 388344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I would be working on this OpenGL program I have to get done tomorrow, except that OpenGL has inexplicably stopped working in the computer labs < 1330001504 575049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, I assume it's responsible, the sample programs I ran to check work if and only if they don't use it < 1330001739 774033 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-238-237.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330002067 57341 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1330003206 597363 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330004457 759897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… I once invented a custom version of base64 that used ' and " as the non-alphanumeric characters < 1330004479 784352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they had the same wrapping properties as letters and digits, meaning that they filled text boxes neatly < 1330004525 151588 :PiRSleep17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared < 1330005907 118173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are quite a few of variants that only differ w.r.t. the two odd ones. < 1330006012 101716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :RFC 4648 has the "URL and Filename Safe" version with -_ instead of +/. < 1330006413 186996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1330006437 87304 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330006446 109176 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1330006612 76611 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330007025 172082 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-222-220.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330007041 707870 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-15.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1330009387 597306 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another fun corner of computational classes would be a language that's equivalent to a push-down automata except for the addition of a halting oracle for Turing machines. Assuming it's not Turing complete (it's unclear whether you could properly use the halting oracle to wend your way through the state with only a PDA), it would have the fun property of being unimplementable but less powerful than a Turing machine :) < 1330009391 875179 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely somebody's already done that though? < 1330010543 203368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330010632 464348 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Another fun corner of computational classes would be a language that's equivalent to a push-down automata except for the addition of a halting oracle for Turing machines. Assuming it's not Turing complete (it's unclear whether you could properly use the halting oracle to wend your way through the state with only a PDA), it would have the fun property of being unimplementable but less powerful than a Turing machine :) < 1330010632 696399 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Surely somebody's already done that though? < 1330010788 625402 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Copypasta'd for ais523's input) < 1330011049 223794 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330011231 531875 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-230-159.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330011364 42366 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-238-237.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1330011651 534492 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C4C1.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330012542 678572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hmm, PDA-with-halting-oracle seems less interesting than PDA-with-Turing-oracle < 1330012548 432973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not entirely sure what a Turing oracle would do < 1330012628 959246 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that for any reasonable definition of "Turing oracle", a halting oracle would be equivalent. < 1330012650 852810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean an oracle that does something that Turing machines can do but PDAs can't < 1330012651 69649 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you can always inject a "if (state I care about) halt else loop infinitely" < 1330012657 391255 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330012657 845603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, an a^nb^nc^n oracle < 1330012700 242008 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw, then that's just one squiggle outside of PDA. That seems much less interesting to me. < 1330012742 340475 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've got to leapfrog a computational class for it to be interesting to me apparently >_> <_< < 1330012820 621819 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1330012916 485140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1330012966 250799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330014595 107587 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-253-87.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330014728 95235 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-230-159.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1330015002 184338 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330015158 416180 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330015532 219277 :Tiktalik!~tikfreeno@ec2-46-137-240-165.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1330015741 698674 :tikfreenode!znc@ec2-46-137-240-165.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1330015888 227396 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1330016039 560293 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upon further consideration, what I actually like about my idea is the consideration of whether that would be TC. < 1330016060 684976 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaand ais is gone again ... < 1330016305 59860 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so, if we had Turing-complete language a (say, Lazy K), and push-down automata b (say, Befunge-93) we can create language Γ_(a,b), which is b with the addition of command "£", which takes a string and returns whether it halts when ran as an a program < 1330016360 582709 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Γ(a,b) Turing complete? < 1330016367 670060 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh < 1330016372 700289 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the question. < 1330016415 978176 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, isn't Befunge-93 not even a PDA since it has the fancy L problem even for that? Not all PDAs can be translated into PDAs of a certain fixed size ... < 1330016452 275641 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330016454 232959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330016468 835455 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any language with fixed dimensions could be at best the fancy L equivalent of some interesting computational class. < 1330016508 406753 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less-than-N-bytes-of-C is fancy-L(Turing machine), and Befunge-93-in-original-dimensional-limits is fancy-L(PDA) < 1330016513 153148 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Γ here is short for Γρηγωρ < 1330016522 325925 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally. < 1330016545 877494 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a transliteration of "Gregor" < 1330016568 927809 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I shouldn't have used 'C' in the above example, let's say less-than-N-bytes-of-Perl, since Perl is so popular to golf) < 1330016573 594091 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Naturally. < 1330016588 198061 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is presumably your name. < 1330016603 567897 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :Friendship < 1330016608 223287 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, my real name is Friendship. < 1330016609 905580 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I am magic. < 1330016654 76505 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Φριενδσιπ < 1330016670 217653 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Φριενδσιπ μωυς < 1330016704 436001 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or maybe μοως?) < 1330016724 849373 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream in which Weird Al Yankovic, having secretly been publishing theoretical computing research for years under a pseudonym, was receiving the Turing award, and his speech consisted of a video of a cartoon version of him doing strange things then transforming intermittently into a cartoon rabbit with horn-rimmed glasses describing actual (computer) science. < 1330016754 352402 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mister mouse, you have weird dreams < 1330016813 240705 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330017368 932756 :Friendship!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Nicolaas Govert de Bruijn 1918-2012 | Dennis Ritchie 1941-2011 | John McCarthy 1927-2011 | John Backus 1924-2007 | Kristen Nygaard 1926-2002 | Edsger Dijkstra 1930-2002 | John Cocke 1925-2002 | Ole-Johan Dahl 1931-2002 | Alonzo Church 1903-1995 | Alan Perlis 1922-1990 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki/ has moved servers! < 1330017556 344710 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never noticed that 2002 was a friggin' terrible year for CS. < 1330017559 686717 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-238-175.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330017607 285021 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-253-87.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1330017764 659335 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330017795 618227 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh great, so now that graue has given wiki management to elliott, he'll start being a regular on the channel and elliott'll never show up again. < 1330018559 913585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1330018566 780444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, elliott had left some time before then < 1330018576 920483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only came back to coordinate the wiki move < 1330018586 605691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which has somehow made the channel much more on-topic than it used to be) < 1330018600 208644 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as the wiki < 1330018616 406866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki's always been on-topic, unless you count spambots < 1330018620 661932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's got a lot more legitimately active < 1330018681 463698 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPEAKING OF < 1330018703 883050 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-93 claims to be a PDA. I dispute this due to its size limitations. I say it's fancy-L(PDA), whatever that means. < 1330018865 897410 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has an unbounded stack < 1330019075 117429 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? You can't represent an arbitrary number of states in bounded program space. < 1330019180 681642 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't need an arbitrary number of states, you just need a number < 1330019225 572899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to our wiki, it's just a FSA with a stack < 1330019243 509079 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has to be able to represent /all/ PDA's to be equivalent. < 1330019251 532976 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't < 1330019299 692575 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I misstated myself and misremembered the wiki >_< < 1330019302 522489 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However, the converse is not true; there surely exist some push-down automata which cannot be simulated by any Befunge-93 program (because they contain more states than can be encoded in the 80x25 playfield)." < 1330019372 322387 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, I don't know what I'm talking about, ignore me X-D < 1330019386 704667 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the time, you know more than me < 1330019413 334419 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that the wiki had claimed that Befunge-93 was PDA-complete, so to speak. < 1330019414 867519 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't. < 1330019420 664149 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my whole tangent was pointless. < 1330019433 452835 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't it take a Turing machine to be PDA complete? < 1330019454 821951 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, no, a PDA is PDA-complete ... < 1330019469 785742 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, can interpret any PDA < 1330019477 179568 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~nice@p5B13259C.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330019487 965879 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's what "-complete" means, it means that all PDA's can be described by it. < 1330019502 343282 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"can interpret" is just a cheap hack to get that, which itself works for TC most of the time. < 1330019506 175813 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A PDA can't describe a bigger PDA < 1330019518 457015 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "a given PDA", just the language "PDA" < 1330019527 766817 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language of PDAs can describe all PDAs. < 1330019761 600545 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But the language Befunge-93 cannot) < 1330019781 813822 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I find this similar to how fancy-L languages can describe a particular Turing machine, but not all) < 1330020323 141071 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-73-176.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: dinner < 1330020706 699821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this new wiki is getting my reactions all wrong < 1330020716 973923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a new edit, and instinctively go to delete it, and get confused < 1330020946 712294 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1330020976 58124 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, I'm inventing the terms (argh I can't type Unicode in this xchat) "fancy-L-equivalent machine", "fancy-L-hard" and "fancy-L-complete" < 1330020988 606431 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like the existence of this page needs more press, in the form of categories. < 1330021219 387344 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that the computational class of ℒ is unclear, but there are languages which are plainly within its computational class, we can create a new (and intentionally ambiguous) computational class to describe it. ℒ-equivalent machines are those abstract machines for which the ability to describe all universal Turing machines is predicated upon the status of input or some other state which may be considered external to the machine proper. The set of ℒ-equ < 1330021219 617914 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivalent machines is clearly a subset of [[Turing machines]], but whether it is a proper subset is a matter of philosophy. A language is said to be ℒ-hard if there exists a program in that language which is in ℒ, and ℒ-complete if it is ℒ-hard and not [[Turing-complete]]. < 1330021228 249943 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the bork? < 1330021249 966618 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, never mind, it pasted right, my client is just weird X_X < 1330021604 653112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1330021624 925496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor "ℒ was originally described to generalize the question raised by Befunge/index.php." not quite true < 1330021625 105088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1330021679 25847 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, 'snot? < 1330021731 992032 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's not indeed, he just brought it to the wiki for that. < 1330021747 246361 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs ℒ < 1330021781 173656 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.8264 < 1330021811 938033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he didn't call it that originally < 1330021816 75272 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, first reference to that name is somebody quoting cpressey as saying he'd --- ah X_X < 1330021824 86219 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, nothing easy to grep on. < 1330021832 542706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that paste's unicode is broken < 1330021853 394863 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blame ... grep? < 1330021905 926157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, your httpd probably isn't sending a proper content-type < 1330021911 968510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to append ; encoding=UTF-8 :P < 1330021917 537326 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably *shrugs* < 1330021923 18654 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd need to convince hgweb to do that. < 1330021925 17554 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So *blech* < 1330022520 538998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:19:15: why does OpenGL use char* for ptrdiff_t? < 1330022528 165377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: opengl predates c99, I'm pretty sure < 1330022536 258712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but it's just a pure type error < 1330022543 658716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's using a pointer type where it should be using an integer type < 1330022548 613923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was using int or long or something I wouldn't mind < 1330022573 318198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: those might not fit the result; (char *) will so long as pointers are integral < 1330022582 449586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's ingenious < 1330022585 499776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, ridiculous < 1330022599 528294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:04:04: Also, do we need a category for "fancy-L-equivalent"? To categorize e.g. Befunge/index.php and HQ9+B < 1330022607 562770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: No, there aren't many of them. < 1330022631 559456 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1330022732 21712 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at least going to change the text of HQ9+B so it's not blatantly lying :) < 1330022775 412242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:03:07: Another fun corner of computational classes would be a language that's equivalent to a push-down automata except for the addition of a halting oracle for Turing machines. Assuming it's not Turing complete (it's unclear whether you could properly use the halting oracle to wend your way through the state with only a PDA), it would have the fun property of being unimplementable but less powerful than a Turing machine :) < 1330022793 663674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Machine with only one instruction: check whether a given Underload program halts, print 0 if it doesn't, 1 ifit does. < 1330022797 372662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uncomputable, sub-TC. < 1330022800 185769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yawn. < 1330022805 183837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. that's trivial) < 1330022838 893198 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what's interesting about mine is that a PDA might (although I'm flying very quickly towards the conclusion that it is not) be sufficient to actually be TC with the addition of that transition statement. < 1330022863 45393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:57:37: like, an a^nb^nc^n oracle < 1330022863 225794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:58:20: Naw, then that's just one squiggle outside of PDA. That seems much less interesting to me. < 1330022873 479184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the same way that utm+halting oracle is one squiggle outside of tc < 1330022886 583893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: right < 1330022915 955187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: well a halting oracle for utms lets you decide a bunch of things < 1330022921 55018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may be enough to implement complex loops < 1330022945 498478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, /obviously/ it's TC < 1330022947 288265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you can turn a statement (exists n \in Z, p(n)) where p is decidable into (Maybe Z) < 1330022952 478367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can easily wrap something in < 1330022955 29186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just take your input, halting-oracle it, and go into an infinite loop if it doesn't halt < 1330022958 695869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (halts) { continue } else { loop forever } < 1330022973 965237 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can-solve-the-halting-problem does not imply TC ... < 1330022976 41424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh, we both had the same idea at once < 1330022981 237869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had it lines ago < 1330022984 931861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that doesn't help you produce output though or w/e < 1330022988 29846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: halts-if-a-given-TM-halts is the definition of TC < 1330022993 416101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1330022995 700557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1330022999 616583 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... damn it. < 1330023000 622226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could ask about BF-completeness, though < 1330023015 825707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with BF-completeness, you only need to be able to get "first char of output" "second char of output" etc. < 1330023018 167454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is e.g. you can turn a statement (exists n \in Z, p(n)) where p is decidable into (Maybe Z) < 1330023023 85046 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, because you can reduce all questions to halting questions, argh. < 1330023030 885640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p(n) = n is first char of output of run_bf_program(prog,"") < 1330023038 688695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :input is a little harder I guess, but sounds perfectly doable < 1330023072 828383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Also, it's obviously not Turing-complete. < 1330023077 625939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it can solve the halting problem. < 1330023087 737056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Turing-hard, though. < 1330023090 431171 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we're still a bit fuzzy on what TC actually means, bu--- yeah. < 1330023096 393799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't be uncomputable + TC, as we've agreed on :P < 1330023114 208526 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, we agree, but I don't think the community at large agrees. < 1330023118 359539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:02:53: Taneb: Naturally. < 1330023118 542255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:03:08: Which is presumably your name. < 1330023118 542452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:03:28: Nope, my real name is Friendship. < 1330023118 542560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:03:29: And I am magic. < 1330023121 512943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Logs still broken. < 1330023125 601345 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for < 1330023132 117472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the "community at large" is a bunch of idiots creating BF derivatives. < 1330023136 551276 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1330023155 419387 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION proceeds to put that quote on the front page, attributing you.
< 1330023186 308123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooo < 1330023191 48095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My oppressive regime! Crushed! < 1330023552 120077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Are closures a violation of the functional programming paradigm?" < 1330023570 347539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" [...] How is Haskell purely-functional if it supports closures? Don't they break referential transparency?" < 1330023577 316614 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1330023601 520199 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like someone is confusing implementation with semantics. >_> < 1330023607 697075 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT AN UNTHINKABLE THING TO DO. < 1330023630 800776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. That would have you believing seq has side-effects. < 1330023652 481191 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1330023698 768529 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of at a loss as to how that breaks referential transparency < 1330023701 409798 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how you could think it does. < 1330023704 717014 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually. < 1330023806 542969 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did just wake up however. < 1330023822 227042 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm kind of at a loss to explain anything right now. < 1330023912 214051 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're confusing referential transparency with "can be used to simulate state" < 1330023963 354121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: I wonder whether fancy-L is a [[Category:Languages]] or a [[Category:Concepts]]... < 1330023974 147254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably concept. < 1330024006 334402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Also when you gonna make HQ9+B non-lying :P < 1330024030 666458 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, got lost and forgot X-D < 1330024061 811240 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1330024115 177726 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd, when I run the exact same log handler over the exact same logs, it detects the nick changes properly ... < 1330024142 128232 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sooo there's a bug in the current state of the running log handler but I don't know how to repro it >_< < 1330024204 375542 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION regens and hopes for the best.
< 1330024209 907175 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hack the process bits no problem < 1330024318 480218 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, my brain is broke >_< < 1330024333 764059 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regenerating it on the server still missed the nicks, doing the same thing on my local machine worked no problem. < 1330024345 216209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not running IE8, is it? < 1330024401 799200 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330024712 805612 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: bye < 1330024734 380855 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1330024829 63503 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was nice seeing you! < 1330024861 287108 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i'd imagine so < 1330024940 262438 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16964783 < 1330025921 501745 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, log bug fixed. < 1330025927 947122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was it? < 1330025981 687292 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It got its nick lists from the 353 command from the server, but didn't really understand what was going on if multiple 353s came for the same channel (that is, if the channel was bigger than could be fit in a single message) < 1330026003 504492 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it wasn't logging any big channels before X-D < 1330026065 940560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: I'm sure that means #ai's logs have been broken forever :P < 1330026075 945919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That place is really terrible, you should stop logging it :P) < 1330026096 963724 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eh* < 1330026137 389514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:14:17: Im so disappointed with my AI < 1330026137 606214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:24:35: :) < 1330026137 786238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:24:36: -!- pleiades has quit (K-Lined). < 1330026137 786352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:25:53: DanFrederiksen: I'll tell you about it if you want < 1330026137 786393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:35:03: that wont be necessary < 1330026137 965957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:36:23: you're an idiot and a troll < 1330026139 859064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:36:32: I'm putting you on /ignore from nowon < 1330026164 249296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: On second thoughts, NEVER STOP < 1330026166 40550 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1330026181 789534 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1330026201 606217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:44:03: tomodo: excellent choice 18:44:36: I don't like smug people 18:44:55: it's just a way to try to appear superior when you have nothing to show for yourself 18:45:31: you are the troll buddy < 1330026315 882592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:41:22: AIXI has unlimited computing power < 1330026316 71856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:41:35: it ignores parts of the environment that do not help it predict the future < 1330026316 251751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:41:56: causative You first must by mature in this conversation, and admit qas a mature adult that AIXI is framed in a reinforcement learnign context. < 1330026319 103230 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh... (append (quote (1)) (quote (4 5 6))) => (4 5 6) < 1330026334 844433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's a very small 1 < 1330026349 732668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:44:05: causative Just get over this and be a mature adult. You will never ever ever ever have an embodied agent in *this* universe that will pay attention to absolutely everything it sensors can point at. It can't happen. The agent would sit there counting bolts on the side of ship. < 1330026358 46511 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric < 1330026361 942455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is great, -> stop this immaturity already! < 1330026401 969148 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm not your buddy, guy < 1330026402 171123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i gotta stop reading #ai logs now... < 1330026437 454386 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just like being on AOL :) < 1330026448 424624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ##c: tomodo: do you even know what you are saying? or just trolling? MaybeJust: /ignore'd < 1330026468 535831 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is this tomodo fellow < 1330026471 194971 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe I should start that rewrite into Prolog now, and translate it from Prolog after it works < 1330026478 964978 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ...lol wtf < 1330026482 964164 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must go to #ai now < 1330026486 670805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but the nick and the "/ignore" so close to each other remindeded. < 1330026487 483940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Kind of reminds me of someone... < 1330026492 667622 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1330026497 5141 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im stalkermoding #ai < 1330026497 185389 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to learn perl. < 1330026503 826931 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mRoman: damn right < 1330026505 195018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I hope it's not the person it reminds me of, though. < 1330026559 965334 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can i set $/ to something that $a = ; only reads one character? < 1330026566 286038 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1330026568 65901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they're in #haskell. I guess it might be. < 1330026576 312555 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I read one character only somehow? < 1330026583 67051 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is this < 1330026591 19097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mRoman: http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/getc.html? < 1330026595 220275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: tomodo < 1330026600 154222 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1330026601 707011 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is tomodo < 1330026601 958318 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait... < 1330026610 825157 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me test that I've never actually tried... < 1330026612 787918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know. but they remind me of j-invariant/fax/etc. < 1330026626 116945 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know any of those :'( < 1330026632 688618 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR a classique #esoteric /topic mentioning that the joke language Perl is not on-topic here :) < 1330026641 281231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, really? I guess they were before your time. (those are the same person) < 1330026666 881622 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mRoman: my intuition would lead me to believe that setting $/ to an empty string would make <> work like getc < 1330026670 324266 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you should just use getc < 1330026696 118825 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you do set global variables < 1330026715 258314 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure you make it.. local. :P < 1330026747 435946 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :{local $/ = ''; ...} < 1330026749 379147 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1330026792 825249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, the first google webmaster tools data came in for esolangs.org! < 1330026805 190711 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will reset $/ to be '' for the duration of the block. < 1330026813 323443 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where is putc? < 1330026818 292667 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :print < 1330026829 615510 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :print $file_handle $string < 1330026841 662242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1330026844 670782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?ix=seb&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=remorse < 1330026846 275658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're result #8 < 1330026853 592474 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1330026890 443239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?ix=seb&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=turing+complete < 1330026896 682678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: How are we on the first page of results for turing complete. < 1330026908 725891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Albeit below "BF is Turing-complete" :P < 1330026937 436526 :tikfreenode!znc@ec2-46-137-240-165.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com NICK :Tiktalik < 1330026966 213821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Ooh, Wikipedia disagrees with us re: TC. < 1330026978 64446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness Per its definition, TwoDucks is TC but not TE. < 1330026995 383890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1330026995 729042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing completeness < 1330026995 930569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A computational system that can compute every Turing-computable function is called Turing complete (or Turing powerful). Alternatively, such a system is one that can simulate a universal Turing machine. < 1330026996 110644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing equivalence < 1330026996 110741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Turing-complete system is called Turing equivalent if every function it can compute is also Turing computable; i.e., it computes precisely the same class of functions as do Turing machines. Alternatively, a Turing-equivalent system is one that can simulate, and be simulated by, a universal Turing machine. (All known Turing-complete systems are Turing equivalent, which adds support to the Church–Turing thesis.) < 1330027000 154220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1330027006 908412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That parenthical is dumb. < 1330027015 886318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it echoes the definitions in the article's lead. < 1330027020 355017 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the total lack fo references. < 1330027026 363615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, I know :P < 1330027034 104289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was my impression of what TC/TE meant, too. < 1330027052 554842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: I'm unconvinced that the "complete" derives from complexity theory. < 1330027073 36819 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm perfectly willing to entertain the notion that it doesn't *shrugs* < 1330027078 854676 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's the only comparison I know of. < 1330027096 442750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People search for "bettereave"? People search for "yoob"? < 1330027119 718196 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be such a yoob, of course people search for bettereave. < 1330027159 947076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, presumably typos for http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betterave < 1330027167 732542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that was my typo. < 1330027171 898469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People search for betterave, rather :P < 1330027203 589398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: I especially like that one of our top search terms is "aaaaaaaaaaaaaa". < 1330027211 487317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do people count out the As to match our article? < 1330027290 330955 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably they just type a bunch of a's, and we happen to get those subset of A-typers who match. < 1330027426 249682 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the problem with our definition of Turing-complete is that it's sort of unclear what it's implications are with respect to extraneous behavior such as I/O. < 1330027493 412174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's that bloody function-vs.-computation distinction again. < 1330027502 113831 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1330027526 34084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: So how does all this tie in with the 2,3 TM :D < 1330027549 382318 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, obviously *brain explodes* < 1330027581 235211 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha infinite encodings = pain! < 1330027583 516329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tends to think it's not TC.
< 1330027588 853442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Oh, infinite isn't that bad. < 1330027592 315744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's infinite and *non-repeating*. < 1330027598 549982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But generatable by a sub-TC machine) < 1330027635 465083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooow, people have Google +1'd Esolang pages. < 1330027637 489795 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it turns out that toroidal symmetries are incredibly good at reducing numbers of states < 1330027640 266121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why. < 1330027648 195028 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. < 1330027675 455341 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: hi < 1330027821 587528 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1330027953 908271 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330027980 795103 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1330028041 312295 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, "infinite" wasn't the right term. < 1330028106 101271 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi/ih monqy/onqym/nqymo/qymon/ymonq/yqnom/qnomy/nomyq/omnqy/mnqyo < 1330028122 842540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats offensive < 1330028297 393943 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that gnomy qnomy. < 1330028306 863062 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who spell out btw are weird. < 1330028321 478161 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my internal chatspeak algorithm just picks the shortest one to say < 1330028329 455890 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "afk" is "afk" but "wtf" is "what the fuck" < 1330028338 769378 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1330028348 959352 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk stands for afk < 1330028353 568905 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what these things are like in 3d < 1330028360 716061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1330028362 991062 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the agony < 1330028371 958558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of agony, hi oerjan < 1330028375 947347 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1330028389 711274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits elliott with the saucepan ===\__/
< 1330028421 679327 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mRoman: I appreciate your desire to implement the truth machine in IRP, but hope you don't resort to requesting the opposite now ... < 1330028447 808790 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess when there's a tie I pick the acronym expansion < 1330028455 330394 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentally say "oh my god" when I see omg. < 1330028474 568719 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"omg" < 1330028487 459873 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about "zomg"? < 1330028490 932432 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "omgwtfbbqlol"? < 1330028499 990411 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg is like "zoh my god" < 1330028512 391804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Hoooow is #irp still full of people who aren't in here < 1330028515 683770 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh my god what the fuck barbecue lol" < 1330028518 368721 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know, right. < 1330028533 164322 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wasn't even in there for years, then I joined and went "lolwut who are you all" < 1330028576 91910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :#irp isn't /list'ed :( < 1330028585 982093 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: I intentionally chose 0 ;) < 1330028605 500834 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we about to exerpeince a mass immigration from #irp? < 1330028622 183592 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it. < 1330028629 901774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: just answer with a line of 1's and claim the irc server cut it off. < 1330028655 895817 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey, /I/ sent an infinitely-long packet, the /server/ cut it short." < 1330028672 889607 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mRoman: Technically, only the first line is the implementation. < 1330028682 247651 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose IRP is IRP. < 1330028726 273998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : !glass {M[m(_v)V!(_v)n.?(_o)O!(_o)o.?]} < 1330028744 328643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realized the trick i used in the quine is used too little < 1330028768 976075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_v)0V!n.?(_o)0O!o.?]} < 1330028771 433753 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anonymous1 < 1330028779 876390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ^ < 1330028826 675198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1330028858 736643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a lot of glass code does (variable)Class!(variable)method.? like stuff < 1330028877 382187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but (variable)0Class!method.? is shorter < 1330028888 308248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lots of parentheses < 1330028894 816107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1330028912 514763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've given up on writing a truth-machine in ijfijtijtifjitojidftidotgjklsdfg < 1330028914 299791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1330028915 808286 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variables being first class on the stack is super-bizarre :) < 1330028920 516302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah. < 1330028951 537997 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it is possible to write a truth-machine in CHIQRSX9+ < 1330028963 952618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mRoman: probably not a reliable one < 1330028965 950480 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah that's CHIQRSX9+T < 1330028979 115148 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically we'd need to find a perl programm which can be rotated to CHIQRS9+ < 1330028980 633310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah? < 1330028994 627502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to your giving up. < 1330028996 777374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mRoman: not every valid ascii character is a valid start of a perl program, Q.E.D. < 1330029010 697256 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1330029011 868636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's so hard ;_; < 1330029016 7395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mRoman: what elliott said, but i guess you might be able to do better than 1/256 < 1330029023 518890 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if the random number is correct, it would be a truth machine < 1330029040 847490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mRoman: then the task is as trivial as writing a perl program :P < 1330029044 552527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and prefixing it with X < 1330029070 409772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mRoman: i once spammed this channel with a CHIQRSX9+ program hundreds of times or so until it ran the perl code correctly. < 1330029082 474237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess other people helped < 1330029108 270569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you got banned for spamming, right? < 1330029116 152131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: MAYBE < 1330029119 30678 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1330029135 173103 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually elliott was the one who sent the correct one iirc < 1330029144 94873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be < 1330029162 293608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU APPRECIATE MY SPAM WHEN IT HELPS OERJAN, I SEE < 1330029173 520801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well it was on topic spam, at least < 1330029186 516501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh, I see. < 1330029187 770582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL THEN. < 1330029196 953947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funge-98 Final Specification < 1330029197 134113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris Pressey, Sept 11, 1998 < 1330029197 134307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :revised for clarity: Sept 30 1998 < 1330029197 134413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Table of Contents < 1330029197 134517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Introduction < 1330029197 975127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a Funge? < 1330029199 942178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :About this Document < 1330029235 165296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i reserve the right to be a hypocrite as long as you're being willfully annoying :P < 1330029265 420297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is about 43% sure tomodo is who he thinks he is.
< 1330029290 255762 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronoun MADNESS < 1330029309 23738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: well are _you_ who you think you are, hm? < 1330029337 933493 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the abstract notion of friendship, given form and a laptop with wireless internet access. < 1330029349 163692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if tomodo joins this channel sometime in the next few weeks, I would suggest a ban before things get out of hand again. < 1330029403 665665 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preban :) < 1330029405 512462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are we speaking of f.., m.......y, c......s...? < 1330029426 446413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1330029444 983633 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inside joke? < 1330029446 669885 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was fax known to use tor? < 1330029457 821405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: I think once or twice? Dunno >_> < 1330029462 609695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But yes, f.. and j-i* < 1330029468 445938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: My evidence is: < 1330029472 496793 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs f..\,? m.......y\,? c......s... < 1330029478 865720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18:14:17: Im so disappointed with my AI < 1330029479 45298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18:24:35: :) < 1330029479 45482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18:24:36: -!- pleiades has quit (K-Lined). < 1330029479 45592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18:25:53: DanFrederiksen: I'll tell you about it if you want < 1330029479 45697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18:35:03: that wont be necessary < 1330029479 602266 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.12261 < 1330029479 781992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18:36:23: you're an idiot and a troll < 1330029481 958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18:36:32: I'm putting you on /ignore from nowon < 1330029483 329575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18:44:03: tomodo: excellent choice 18:44:36: I don't like smug people 18:44:55: it's just a way to try to appear superior when you have nothing to show for yourself 18:45:31: you are the troll buddy < 1330029487 195872 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1330029487 389542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- #ai logs < 1330029492 546933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ they joined #haskell and talked about a scheme program they wrote < 1330029505 731594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :complaining about it in a way which strongly reminds me of fax. < 1330029512 666694 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You realize those AI logs are at a URL, you don't need to paste them in the channel X_X < 1330029514 979169 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's #scheme ... < 1330029521 827400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: I'm laaaazy. < 1330029528 719869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PiRSquared: Yes, but then they wanted to rewrite it in Haskell, or something. < 1330029531 16518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PiRSquared: not so much inside joke as someone who keeps coming back with new nicks, but being easily recognizable, and with some _serious_ self control problems < 1330029549 98712 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse than mine?!? < 1330029550 520741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, M*y = M*P*y < 1330029555 987729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what c*s* is < 1330029570 91070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: you don't go ballistic on the channel < 1330029580 924369 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo ballistic < 1330029597 556422 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you guys don't bait me into offtopics < 1330029599 338575 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps < 1330029622 549338 :Infinikiller64!Infinikill@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330029626 579391 :Infinikiller64!Infinikill@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1330029626 758908 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Your favorite programming language and/or environment and/or operating system and/or pony is terrible and we all hate it/her. < 1330029632 314003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Infinikiller64 < 1330029635 654800 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinikiller64: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1330029648 579435 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so glad I said that immediately after somebody /join'd, with the nick "Friendship" no less X-D < 1330029673 204495 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs f\w+ m\w+y c\w+s\w* < 1330029679 691886 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14881 < 1330029692 676011 :Infinikiller64!Infinikill@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite pony is fluttershy < 1330029695 113669 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. suppose one of you posted a url to a site about corrupt olympic officals.. i would inevitably start ranting about it < 1330029696 133592 :Infinikiller64!Infinikill@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to kill < 1330029696 313399 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite memory constraints < 1330029702 79099 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hahaha, I've ruined the channel. < 1330029703 790204 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win forever. < 1330029710 979297 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "f.., m.......y, c......s..." finite memory constraints??? < 1330029715 834007 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1330029726 90938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PiRSquared: fax, misspiggy, i don't remember the c*s* one < 1330029742 29251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka faxathisia aka soupdragon aka quantumEd aka j-invariant aka crystal-cola aka ... < 1330029770 903474 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinikiller64: What's amazing is that this channel was on-topic no less than twenty minutes ago. < 1330029779 91613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was crystal-cola, forgot the hyphen < 1330029789 160532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and what was at the end < 1330029800 239476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cryyyystall? < 1330029809 831191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess maybe the .s were imprecise < 1330029813 721264 :Infinikiller64!Infinikill@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1330029814 782675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1330029817 436247 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1330029827 659064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that was killer64 < 1330029827 840734 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"finitely many configurations" matched my stupid regex < 1330029836 669486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka the first user in the new user log :P < 1330029838 125509 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: who? < 1330029841 689283 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1330029864 91900 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: in general i'm very reactive.. i can't help it, my blood boils every time i read anything about patents or patent law < 1330029867 270100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you know that the diff colours are changing in the next mediawiki release??? < 1330029872 884090 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1330029877 142171 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they turn purple < 1330029884 512285 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or blue < 1330029891 754879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BLASPHEMY < 1330029893 552492 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I blame everyone for his immediate departure. < 1330029898 183143 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Myself included. < 1330029906 373125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: istr e was in here before < 1330029918 747135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: see http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki&diff=44532&oldid=44311 for an example < 1330029922 293732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: so you are patently unstable? < 1330029937 664917 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't patent instability you monster < 1330029979 845686 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda like the green diffs < 1330029987 152071 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you can patent dna strands, tyre swings, and double-clicks < 1330029993 876028 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not instability < 1330029998 554012 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can even patent: < 1330030002 845555 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words < 1330030004 352308 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1330030009 734204 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :levante < 1330030013 140387 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1330030020 679350 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION patents levante
< 1330030021 609972 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :levante [patent pending] < 1330030050 42322 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the patent office won't reject it... you just have to have the money to get a settlement in court if anyone challenges your word patent < 1330030051 70952 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levante <-- already a word or something < 1330030055 405545 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrrrgh, I'm Elisha Gray. < 1330030074 519258 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/levante#Noun something in French... < 1330030092 957016 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and italian < 1330030165 369269 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the patent office is like an employment agency existing to connect businesses to courtrooms analagous to connecting employees to employers < 1330030176 14425 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all networking < 1330030183 437666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was hoping for at least a little aieee. < 1330030243 538407 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more i think about it, its not such a bad thing < 1330030256 612837 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. the world would be better off if you couldn't actually license patents < 1330030261 921831 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to be where the trouble festers < 1330030285 9483 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather that if you wanted to do anything you would have to find a new method < 1330030293 754045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;zxdfluio';67i]uety'klu, < 1330030345 502159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'd be more interested if they made it choose more logical changes < 1330030355 253 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;zxdfluio';67i]uety'klu,™ < 1330030378 955047 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED.. ballistic < 1330030385 519762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and i sort of don't like that the color for entirely new lines is the same as the color for things that haven't changed < 1330030394 263121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps they've fixed that < 1330030421 388919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well no they didn't) < 1330030453 614014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sheesh it wasn't meant to be interesting < 1330030455 885895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just scary and new < 1330030473 552323 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just edit the common.css ? < 1330030478 848353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOK < 1330030499 981123 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1330030520 956225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PiRSquared: Hell naw, I love change! < 1330030528 593564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also apparently it was done for colour-blind people and I'M NICE. < 1330030543 844092 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.diff-addedline { background-color: (old color) } < 1330030556 315524 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1330030791 446870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "This usage of a default BeVerb in Russian AI is a new technique in the year 2012 of the Mayan Calendar and may not only constitute unpatentable _prior art_ in AI but may also contribute to a Technological Singularity if Russia repeats her spectacular success of first place in the sweepstakes of exploring the Dark Side of the Moon. It will be "GAME OVER", if the creative minds of Russia create the expanded Mind of Dushka." < 1330030806 984964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you _sure_ that wasn't said by fungot < 1330030839 145102 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. Those are words. < 1330030846 564516 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're in quotation marks < 1330030876 619779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's mentifex, what's the difference? < 1330030895 454380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's metnifex again < 1330030917 280524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, i ahve to type blind because of tremendous lag) < 1330030970 492449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crackpot ai guy < 1330031019 610829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1330031168 644491 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crackpot ai guy?? < 1330031176 272196 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Here we go again) < 1330031222 37470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the year 2012 of the Mayan Calendar"? didn't that happen ages ago? < 1330031230 742231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you'd think < 1330031268 706673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PiRSquared: crackpot ai guy < 1330031307 719453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm it's strange how it's obvious what's really meant, and yet it _does_ flag him as someone who doesn't think very precisely < 1330031318 977693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, some of these evil spidering bots are really aggressive. < 1330031331 607416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus a possible crackpot < 1330031342 68088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just my impression) < 1330031379 898691 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :Client Quit < 1330031405 772667 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330031413 742556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anyone who uses the words "mayan calendar" without following them up with "historically" or "debunked" is fairly likely to be a crackpot :P < 1330031466 800235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i really think we should distinguish people who believe stuff from people who make them up < 1330031473 594802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just believe < 1330031532 814858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm < 1330031544 731766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :**it < 1330031547 571381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-* < 1330031660 683969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about people who make stuff up without believing it? < 1330031681 369208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a different word for that < 1330031694 691294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have no ide what the resulting sentence is < 1330031698 961274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idea < 1330031720 535727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, you're right, "crackpot" should probably be reserved for people with their own "theories" < 1330031726 633842 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahah reading logs. < 1330031733 705991 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I wrote some corewars fanfic: < 1330031735 118720 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We were caught in each others' embrace, each in the moment executing each others' code, neither wishing to look back to our own, and so we danced. On the horizon, an imp, come clearly to ruin our brief romance, advanced towards us. As we looked deeply into each others loop construct for one last moment, our impending fate became us as it does us all. Now we too are imps." < 1330031737 93880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the final two corrections are just obsessive anyhow < 1330031776 64938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :periodic reminder that https://github.com/tombell/trollscript exists and humanity is worthless < 1330031804 475258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION declares Friendship a Knight of Rule 34
< 1330031820 837287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rule 34? < 1330031826 337951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's barely even a romance novel < 1330031837 61141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough for me < 1330031837 241962 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimme a break, it's one line X-D < 1330031842 566726 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Rule 34 automaton < 1330031846 861842 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just shipping, no sex >_> < 1330031855 527000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT BEST, Friendship is a Pawn of Corewars Shipping < 1330031864 916411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :F- would not grant title to again. < 1330031869 325746 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1330031914 655447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally the norwegian word for the chess piece is "hest", meaning horse < 1330031956 977596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait hm < 1330031972 68501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's colloquial, the official is "springer" < 1330032016 489368 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330032037 425095 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which of course is a reference to Springer Media, the publishing company. < 1330032043 626713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning "leaper". while bishop is "løper", just to be confusing. < 1330032059 269001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and means "runner") < 1330032103 161411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: i guess it's also the german word < 1330032165 706490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes) < 1330032210 641714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no) < 1330032229 517996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sooooo... < 1330032235 433977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet Friendship knows how to access private members of a PHP class. < 1330032257 699589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! OutputPage is a ContextSource! < 1330032259 789789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's convenient, that is. < 1330032269 907827 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~nice@p5B13259C.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330032271 816690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convenient like butter on ice. < 1330032294 363465 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(declare (ignore hunger)) < 1330032318 714399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, my friends. Sgeo. < 1330032342 114404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $wgOut->addLink( array( 'rel' => 'canonical', < 1330032342 603036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'href' => $this->getTitle()->getLocalURL() ) < 1330032342 783023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ); < 1330032346 124787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well das easy. < 1330032373 346156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Another fun corner of computational classes would be a language that's equivalent to a push-down automata except for the addition of a halting oracle for Turing machines. Assuming it's not Turing complete (it's unclear whether you could properly use the halting oracle to wend your way through the state with only a PDA), it would have the fun property of being unimplementable but less powerful than a Turing machine :) < 1330032403 323859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it would all depend on exactly how the PDA is allowed to construct the input to its oracle... < 1330032406 74400 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if using declare ignore is excessively verbose
< 1330032411 510128 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other languages just prefix or use _ < 1330032412 405648 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1330032469 412515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's not hard to turn a turing computation with a true/false result into two halting problems < 1330032499 63661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just add a final infinite loop on true, respectively false) < 1330032543 908267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODOFIX: < 1330032545 686471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :function addCanonicalLink( OutputPage &$out, Skin &$skin ) { < 1330032545 866439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if ( $out->isArticle( ) ) { < 1330032545 866647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $out->addLink( array( < 1330032545 866753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'rel' => 'canonical', < 1330032545 866862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'href' => $out->getWikiPage()->getTitle()->getLocalURL() < 1330032546 46377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ) ); < 1330032548 144643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1330032550 98005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1330032552 45903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#$wgHooks['BeforePageDisplay'][] = 'addCanonicalLink'; < 1330032684 925347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats everyone who used "automata" for the singular in the log discussion -----###
< 1330032714 891145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I can't seem to view this piece of data... < 1330032749 660945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think that one's gone too far to protest. < 1330032784 674098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION says "datum/criterion" on occasion.
< 1330032802 364025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I've even said "desideratum" once. < 1330033060 667562 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50 < 1330033072 401245 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gazari culat chopf buffigioi raima sokushn conum teaversonia crol itanacy pparvada dun fauclerron shee rov brah supfle luffaira unho gencom dishelin vacclxx thop levu inquina < 1330033289 460938 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, John Galt's speech in Atlas Shrugged is /a quarter of the book/. < 1330033316 496630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What? < 1330033320 420854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ~60 pages, I thought. < 1330033323 606858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atlas Shrugged is over 1000. < 1330033343 980812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :70 pages out of 1168 sez WP < 1330033347 537782 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, apparently TV Tropes can't divide. < 1330033355 361255 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait that's a statistic on the WP page < 1330033761 170834 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-155-68.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :70 pages is way too much, no matter the overall book < 1330034130 800422 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-253-217.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1330034146 871498 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-155-68.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1330034582 152662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd appreciate comments on the wiki about a proposed policy change: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Policy#Language_authors < 1330034788 174873 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, ais523's middle name is known? < 1330034811 509843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it. I don't think it's known. < 1330034813 26581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't generally admit to having one < 1330034814 14860 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and his middle name is not common knowledge" // it's certainly known by at least himself < 1330034817 388491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's obvious that it exists < 1330034824 153306 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is it already c'mon < 1330034827 125787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not common knowledge, but IIRC it is public knowledge if you know where to look < 1330034837 144250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's more fun if people try to find it for themselves < 1330034844 158569 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I choose to imagine that it's Iguana. < 1330034850 4820 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he basically just said it's OK for you to tell me OK < 1330034868 387292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO basically. < 1330034896 236927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION also knows ais523's middle name *cackles evilly*
< 1330034948 120225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't have a middle name btw
< 1330034958 605252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION neither.
< 1330034979 598645 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is Gregor's middle name.
< 1330035008 49620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll see if i can remember that. < 1330035031 342803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH TALKING, SO LITTLE ON-WIKI REPLYING < 1330035063 254224 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Alternative_outlets < 1330035080 350103 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the "arbiter of viewpoints" line in the directory of alternatives. < 1330035109 610997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao < 1330035127 952870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm i have the distinct impression that it used to be possible to edit sections from diff pages before, at least if the final version was the current one < 1330035172 491354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i generally tend to look through the recent changes by diffs, that was useful < 1330035173 440470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, that might be a MW change. I've seen Esolang's old LocalSettings.php, and it didn't turn on anything like that. < 1330035189 162116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why not click the arrow in the diff message and hit "edit" from there? < 1330035191 963508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's two clicks. < 1330035199 94523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's not visible. < 1330035199 972567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's odd. < 1330035213 971939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what arrow? < 1330035232 161860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(→Language authors: new section) (show/hide) < 1330035236 743244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The arrow is a link to the section. < 1330035240 463754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's no [edit] link on the sections :/ < 1330035258 558637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that arrow < 1330035270 65244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1330035354 985941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'll look into it. < 1330035358 705013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's nothing i can do immediately < 1330035369 145952 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1330035380 669756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, maharba agrees with me :P < 1330035597 933175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Forum for general chatter #wikipedia, Wikipedia Review, mwusers.com" < 1330035606 413223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wikipedia Review is the bestest place for general chatter for Wikipedia users. < 1330035829 653255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, I had an idea for an INTERCAL-inspired constraint-based tarpit < 1330035988 7655 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :[insertnickhere] < 1330036047 165141 :[insertnickhere]!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: for(\;\;){} < 1330036248 689499 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: Wikipedia Review is the bestest place for general chatter for Wikipedia users. < 1330036251 862135 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me what it is, < 1330036312 395250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: err, possibly ais523 can explain better than I can < 1330036325 928642 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, get explainin' < 1330036327 170396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, oh dear < 1330036347 332685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a site whose purpose is bitching at Wikipedia < 1330036353 792873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not intentionally, but that's the community it attracted < 1330036482 714560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Basically it's a site that manages to be so trolly that it defeats the millions of valid criticisms one could make about Wikipedia. < 1330036510 655621 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :real humans actually don't edit Wikipedia anymore. < 1330036512 623074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also reactionary, e.g. IIRC they tend to support anything Sanger says, despite the fact that he's a complete idiot, because he doesn't like Wikipedia nowadays. < 1330036514 204388 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all borg hivemind. < 1330036520 670324 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1330036594 96631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: ais523: You should, like, reply on-wiki, like, , . < 1330036605 487071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, doing something else < 1330036613 977601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't dictate if my loyal supporters don't hail my every decision! < 1330036684 618321 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :active and registered Wikipedia users are like 35% borg hivemind, 35% who use it as a social network, 25% trolls, and 5% who write legitimate well-written content. < 1330036707 688818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I fit into any of those categories when I was active < 1330036712 907830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :social network was probably closest < 1330036719 578230 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1330036744 837851 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of it as like a multiset... or something < 1330036748 678236 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can be multiple persons < 1330036754 948982 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in different categories. < 1330036774 30322 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's totally legit, okay? < 1330036774 210148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Wikipedia's actual article content wouldn't suffer if every registered user just disappeared :P < 1330036780 558639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd probably fall apart in every other area < 1330036804 269598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I suppose vandal reversion would be the main thing lost < 1330036813 523775 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1330036839 36103 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no blocks, profusion of non-encyclopedic articles... < 1330036848 616856 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because no admins. < 1330036852 857701 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think Wikipedia's actual article content wouldn't suffer if every registered user just disappeared :P < 1330036862 604681 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean disappeared altogether or stopped using their account? < 1330036874 261558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former. < 1330036886 559476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/whowriteswikipedia < 1330036903 173025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia tend to claim, or at least did in the past, that a small group of registered users are responsible for most of the edits < 1330036911 504447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's completely false if you look at articles < 1330036925 439502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose it might be true if you include Wikipedia-namespace edits) < 1330037328 708145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on behalf of the wikignomes, i'd like to protest that i feel left out of your classification < 1330037347 129858 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-222-220.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 0.001% oerjan < 1330037358 864661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i suppose grammar corrections _might_ count as legitimate well-written content. < 1330037427 178258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikignomes don't tend to register, I would say < 1330037460 86743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else could i get a wikignome userbox, duh < 1330037504 284780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey there are IPs with user pages < 1330037511 993901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what was that famous one? I ASSUME YOU HAVE THEIR IP MEMORISED < 1330037528 912568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1330037531 489457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess. but i don't think my IP is stable. < 1330037612 410445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just add a redirect every time it changes :D < 1330037631 48128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy. < 1330037759 861729 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, found the bug... my null was broken < 1330037780 747400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it 1 instead of 0? < 1330037878 636083 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was returning an internal type instead of the actual return value, so if you tested the value of (null x) with e.g. an if, it'd get matched as "not nil" and take the true-branch every time < 1330037922 975507 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :noticed it when trying to just evaluate and print (null something), because that internal thingy was not handled by the printer < 1330037967 618108 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1330037971 175282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you implementing this in? < 1330037976 730055 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ < 1330038029 806008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1330038033 798744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you implementing < 1330038035 236215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :& now also, why < 1330038042 487669 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. in C++ templates at compile-time (the actual printing is an ugly messy hybrid, but the calculation of what to print is compile-time at least) < 1330038085 300305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1330038086 55400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bravo < 1330038093 434176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I have some utilities you may find helpful for that < 1330038102 269736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#C.2B.2B_templates < 1330038110 597117 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I built a bunch of nice utilities for this project today, also a test suite < 1330038113 55281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably very slow if you have large outputs though < 1330038120 16334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes the output part simple < 1330038128 808489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gives you decimal conversion ;) < 1330038292 581309 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1330038299 345498 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :representative code line from my print stuff: operator char *() { return (char *)(T*)this; } < 1330038704 637405 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1330038883 708980 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1330039009 902473 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think the next project for this will be lexical scoping and destructive updates < 1330039177 528477 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1330039768 539412 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, to keep track of the current state of all closures, it seems I need to build some kind of heap-like thing to store the closures in < 1330039807 274002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: since you gave up i guess i had to do it :) < 1330039826 836137 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, it wouldn't be terribly surprising if C++ actually had some weird way to have mutable state in templates < 1330039880 801352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would you hate me if I told you that was what I was hoping for? :P < 1330039888 238190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty < 1330039890 573078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not particularly. < 1330040095 540503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, that pretty much _is_ mostly a main loop template (although i did not copy an earlier one directly.) < 1330040148 272365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NOTE THAT NOBODY ASKED ABOUT MY NEW ESOLANG IDEA < 1330040156 913743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1330040181 512371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: hmm, I had an idea for an INTERCAL-inspired constraint-based tarpit < 1330040217 382529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1330040247 987115 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask ask < 1330040264 158877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so basically there's only one instruction, and it's "don't come from". < 1330040285 739000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Execution proceeds by going to the only place it isn't forbidden from going to. < 1330040294 575482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If there are multiple it's nondeterministic or something.) < 1330040329 321365 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it feature a cut rule? < 1330040348 173715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cut rules are for laaaaameeers. < 1330040360 363152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the come from is computed, of course. < 1330040384 66358 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> sleep, I should really start doing that earlier.
< 1330040399 467783 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1330040558 747191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 input i < 1330040558 976497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 don't come from 9+i and don't come from 40 and print 0 < 1330040559 163298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 don't come from 10 and don't come from 40 and exit < 1330040559 163515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 don't come from 10+i and don't come from 20 and print 1 < 1330040561 57925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ truth-machine < 1330040583 346336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, there are input/print/exit instructions too.) < 1330040657 1107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, that's pretty! < 1330040666 208680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also variables are immutable. < 1330040676 129926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1330040696 176225 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now elliott plays name-that-computational-class! < 1330040711 469973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you can only have one non-don't-come-from command per line. < 1330040735 20855 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, DON’T COME FROM is even cooler than COME FROM. < 1330040739 185284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I guess I'll probably need mutable data to be TC. < 1330040757 360684 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just add instructions that add instructions. < 1330040777 912033 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self-modifying languages are all the rage < 1330040782 752609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tempting actually < 1330040920 965811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Doesn't line 10 need some don't-come-froms? < 1330040933 897029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, indeed. < 1330040944 354645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 don't come from 20 and don't come from 30 and don't come from 40 and input i < 1330040944 605547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 don't come from 9+i and don't come from 40 and print 0 < 1330040944 792132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 don't come from 10 and don't come from 40 and exit < 1330040944 792338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 don't come from 10+i and don't come from 20 and print 1 < 1330040956 48519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mayhaps it should have a more concise syntax. < 1330040984 74577 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric < 1330040988 504023 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric