< 1325203236 700570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, reticent Millwall. < 1325203272 491429 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does reticent Millwall mean? I don't actually know the names of any of the systems < 1325203334 164798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a modification of Millwall such that it doesn't end up at O(\zeta(n)) in the case of pseudoretrocausal scores. < 1325203339 569764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence reticent. < 1325203354 953176 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what Millwall means < 1325203384 996415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, you don't know about Millwall? < 1325203417 337283 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is true I don't know. It might correspond to something that I understand but don't know the name of. < 1325203465 861414 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just ablative exponentiation combined with Chiswick normalisation. < 1325203476 591519 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325203486 865680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The key part of millwall is w(x) = \tau 2^-x - \zeta(e+pi)^(i pi x) < 1325203498 437651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\tau 2^-x being the Chiswick normalisation ofc < 1325203521 954559 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: O, OK. But I still don't know if that has anything to do with five pin bowling. < 1325203528 731428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You take the integral of that and floor the result and plug it into the standard Chernobyl construction < 1325203536 856979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, five pin bowling? < 1325203544 976266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we were talking about theoretical physics. < 1325203549 581622 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, five pin bowling is what I was asking about < 1325203556 277098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1325203561 155135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, then. < 1325203566 680741 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately fivepin bowling isn't subject to the Katamari degeneracy, so there's no closed form for the integrand. < 1325203577 827936 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Katamari? < 1325203604 410761 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, elliott kallisti update < 1325203611 230774 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an [S] < 1325203613 650855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where U(C) = U(«C»), ofc. < 1325203658 482881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won't load for me. < 1325203664 774868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do hope the hosting hasn't folded again. < 1325203875 480067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1325203888 468728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325204049 119397 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/nuob8/what_are_some_applications_of_prime_numbers_in/ < 1325204079 646448 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1325204137 660555 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1325204228 844022 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/14993719073/it-loads-just-fine < 1325204252 640951 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It loads backward and sideways < 1325204275 19718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1325204276 872522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/nuob8/what_are_some_applications_of_prime_numbers_in/c3c52bw http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/nuob8/what_are_some_applications_of_prime_numbers_in/c3c3f60 < 1325204278 646808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still doesn't load. < 1325204279 494517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so cool ;__; < 1325204283 325317 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll have to wait. < 1325204321 754065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advice on teaching yourself. Please help. (self.math) < 1325204323 372751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the irony. < 1325204348 360493 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing about the cicadas is p awesome. i never knew that. < 1325204359 614824 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1325204460 675534 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone who saw the new Homestuck flash: Take a good look at Prospit < 1325204464 546004 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1325204465 836254 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43820.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 percent really doesn't seem to be much.. i wonder how they found out < 1325204512 20407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: stfu until anyone other than you has seen it at the very least < 1325204552 147268 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wasn't aware I was the only one who saw it < 1325204555 581604 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did say update >.> < 1325204565 735768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: and then Phantom_Hoover said "it doesn't load" < 1325204586 230062 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but it does load < 1325204589 658454 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: it implies that there would be 2% more of the 17yr locusts than the 15yr locusts every 15 years or so. that advantage can add up in terms of population. < 1325204595 511456 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for me < 1325204609 625498 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43820.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating < 1325204625 702803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: OK, that's n=1 < 1325204629 825812 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if a predator does figure out how to explot the composite-locust, there is a boon for that predator, which would further improve the advantage. < 1325204664 833995 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43820.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they must have watched cicadas for about hundred years < 1325204742 18753 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a hundred years, they watched us. Counting the years in our life cycle. Factorising. In hindsight, they were really slow at that. < 1325204758 690144 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43820.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1325204810 372042 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43820.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats water for my mill < 1325204823 269008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Can we breed cicadas in an environment with computer-controlled predators to crack RSA? < 1325204826 697917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the best idea ever? < 1325204847 107714 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What time is it on the moon? < 1325204869 890094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, we use computer controlled cicadas. < 1325204871 527194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh. < 1325205164 761546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1325205251 138024 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why might a tar -xvz just lock up and not print anything? < 1325205333 114029 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't use -f or stdin to give it input? < 1325205362 785856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1325205412 523619 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah of course. pathname already provided. < 1325205917 40364 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I've noticed that with modern versions you don't have to specify the compression type.. tar -xvf filename works great < 1325206300 666332 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1325206304 180749 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot the f < 1325206306 489138 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1325206349 402869 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db41f5b.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325206388 335351 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43820.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1325207007 879286 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325207026 722891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Can you get Pandoc included as a GHC boot lib, thx < 1325207116 635985 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1325207118 410793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1325207202 754763 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325207559 853206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this λ calculus you talked about? Sounds interesting, is it a kind of mathematica for functional programming? Thank you for your hints! – makelc Mar 7 at 8:15 < 1325207769 999725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://symbolhound.com/ oh awesome < 1325208267 854648 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey baby, what's your abs(n)/n < 1325208515 733689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmfao, there's a closed Stack Overflow question ... asked by Alan Kay < 1325208633 668538 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xanadu is still a thing being worked on, right? < 1325208781 132663 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xanarama.net/ < 1325208794 198011 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if it works in WINE
< 1325208837 961113 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that I will not redistribute the software, or keys to the software, in violation of copyright" < 1325208844 82180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Xanadu is still a thing being worked on, right? < 1325208845 128565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha! < 1325208855 130496 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" to render my firstborn to be brainwashed and enslaved in Xanadu's underground dungeons" < 1325208941 603741 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright 2007 < 1325208976 354791 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not rendering properly, I think < 1325209004 572790 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree to give them my firstborn, and for what? < 1325209020 455364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Let me attempt to disambiguate my statement somewhat: Xanadu will never, ever be released, not even if everyone working on it stopped dying tomorrow and lived until the sun burned out. < 1325209051 696663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I think this is a good thing as I object rather heavily to some of the principles behind it, but it's not like anyone would use it anyway... < 1325209083 236861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We should be able to fly documents in 3D gaming space (using today's incredible gaming graphics)-- http://transliterature.org/index_files/tlit-FlyingIslandDocuments.png" hahaha christ < 1325209117 213049 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about it other than it's worse vaporware than Duke Nukem 3d < 1325209131 582199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is everything, that game was released on schedule. < 1325209134 807052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to my knowledge. < 1325209180 767828 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duke Nukem 3d stopped being a good example for stuff < 1325209184 144365 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boo :( < 1325209198 176041 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait < 1325209205 226195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm sorry, I'm not going to be able to avoid calling you an idiot. < 1325209205 749785 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Duke Nukem 3d. Duke Nukem Forever < 1325209221 750183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xanadu is better than Duke Nukem Forever, I will grant it that. < 1325209255 141923 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is? < 1325209314 845506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, Duke Nukem Forever is widely acknowledged as completely and utterly terrible and unsalvagable, so... I feel safe betting on that. < 1325209345 358361 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, in terms of quality < 1325209355 494173 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In terms of development time, Xanadu's longer, isn't it? < 1325209386 517561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNF wasn't started in 1960, so... yes. < 1325209916 71165 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1325210332 320247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :nobody azerty | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1325210413 66782 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :nobody azerty | shellac my colemak | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1325210515 552897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvorak shmorak < 1325210555 454911 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :nobody azerty | shellac my colemak | I implore: That? 'tis Dvorak? | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1325210577 10688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1325210578 623476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre ruining it < 1325210629 845942 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :nobody azerty | shellac my colemak | I implore: That? 'tis Dvorak? | BAD KEYBOARD LAYOUT PUN TIME IS BAD KEYBOARD LAYOUT FUN TIME | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1325210630 576587 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ruins it more by pronouncing it like the composer's name
< 1325210639 689364 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHA TRY RHYME IT NOW BITCH < 1325210642 767818 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: So ... incorrectly? < 1325210665 376149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :pachelbel used dvorak | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1325210674 133237 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so incorrectly even you can't stop it < 1325210679 575690 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :pachelbel used dvorak | (if you know what I mean) | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1325210683 927255 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvorak ballsack < 1325210691 103886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you all < 1325210720 552111 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1325210733 307464 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :pachelbel used dvorak | (if you know what I mean) | As canon fodder? | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1325210757 490700 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :pachelbel used dvorak | (if you know what I mean) | As canon fodder? | (if you know what I mean) | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1325210776 181685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :unmitigated awfulness | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1325210784 420024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic is now most accurate topic; future edits disallowed < 1325210849 922318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :{{pp-dispute}} | unmitigated awfulness | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1325210861 419354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only view the topic's source now < 1325210905 903433 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :{{pp-dispute}} | unstipulated godawfulness | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1325210913 688365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: de-sysopped < 1325210914 907253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :{{pp-dispute}} | unmitigated awfulness | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1325210927 391669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric : < 1325210932 459652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just deleted the topic < 1325210943 188062 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must be ranked higher than you < 1325210952 21193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hacked the system < 1325210953 689263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with my < 1325210958 357673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :``3l1t3'' < 1325210960 806978 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Log URL (md5sum compressed): d12f6451164ee3a49c57aad146bf6f9b < 1325210960 968757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :``hax0r skills'' < 1325210964 251701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they call them < 1325210964 407775 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1325210968 399569 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `3l1t3'': not found < 1325210968 810828 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1325210971 801350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes < 1325210975 911536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :Log URL (md5sum compressed): d12f6451164ee3a49c57aad146bf6f9b < 1325210984 218236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MD5 is even feasibly crackable (I think) so nobody can complain :P < 1325211004 346711 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION complains
< 1325211012 542764 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `hax0r: not found < 1325211044 677692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there sites where you can submit plaintexts to be added into an MD5 lookup database < 1325211052 39896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could do that < 1325211094 544986 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topic changes are in the logs now. < 1325211101 19783 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they can just look the URL up. < 1325211104 878763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1325211148 648899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Vorpal: Can I have that logs-into-SQL script < 1325211158 721393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually hmm, wouldn't help me here I don't think < 1325211276 679281 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :Log URL (md5sum compressed): d12f6451164ee3a49c57aad146bf6f9b | Plaintext Log URL is available by grepping the logs < 1325211369 740904 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TECHNICALLY you can get the URL by typing !logs < 1325211410 553527 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shhhh < 1325211452 125476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf its almost 2012 < 1325211456 113087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fast does time < 1325211463 324583 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1325211479 982412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :Log URL (md5sum compressed): d12f6451164ee3a49c57aad146bf6f9b | Plaintext Log URL is available by asking a bot (the required command is in the logs) < 1325211533 465034 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently that isnt the right command < 1325211565 277311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1325211565 922679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1325211604 210320 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please correct the topic message don't do like that? < 1325211676 31359 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got rid of all my other HaskGlk stuff because I did it wrong so I try to start over. This time done properly. < 1325211709 738517 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this correct? module Glk where { class GlkMain x where { glkMain :: x -> IO (); }; runMain :: GlkMain () => IO (); runMain = glkMain (); } < 1325211719 344424 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would something like that even work? < 1325211742 598560 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know that FlexibleContexts extension is required and I have enabled it) < 1325211828 285099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about < 1325211842 77690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: class GlkMain a where { glkMain :: IO a } < 1325211846 710517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you don't need FlexibleContexts < 1325211852 102667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just main = glkMain will work. < 1325211865 406886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because it defaults to (), etc.) < 1325211930 199016 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That is no good, because what I need to do, main is in C, and glk_main is in C, which calls a Haskell function which must be defined in this library, and then need to be imported by another program, and then it make the executable. < 1325211997 106728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, OK, but it's still simpler than your original solution < 1325212005 59949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just use glkMain :: IO () directly instead of runMain < 1325212028 412670 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK. < 1325212088 560247 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I will still need FlexibleContexts and it seem I might even need the context on a foreign exported function. Is that allowed? < 1325212119 253478 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, when the library is being compiled, there will be no instance! < 1325212142 657754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1325212149 157679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure yuo can even export runMain like that < 1325212159 188003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'll reject it with the context < 1325212161 586219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fail without it obviously < 1325212167 951802 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, neither of those functions were the ones I wanted to export. < 1325212177 139077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what would you export to C then? < 1325212185 115493 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the one I need to export, needs to do other stuff including calling that one. < 1325212200 299720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, does it still have the context? < 1325212205 319373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so I think it'll run into the same problem < 1325212228 606812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The context will end up as passing a typeclass dictionary, so exporting it to C like that would be like trying to export a function without one of its arguments, I think. < 1325212276 43374 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, it will require the context because otherwise the library will not be able to compile due to lack of instances < 1325212289 620298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. So I don't think you will be able to export it. < 1325212303 906102 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325212325 363920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think having the user define the entry point for where C calls in and exporting it is unavoidable. < 1325212460 916542 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make up an extension to GHC that would allow it to work? < 1325212529 36200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could... add support for enumerating all instances of a class in IO or something, but that doesn't really fit with how GHC does instances at all. < 1325212559 875736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the best solution would be to supply a glk-glue.hs that users have to compile with their program, that imports GlkMain.glkMain which the user creates. < 1325213001 743003 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable040.190-20-96.mc.videotron.ca PART :#esoteric < 1325213282 473609 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net NICK :Klisz < 1325213587 581959 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How exactly should that work? < 1325213813 672996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: e.g. < 1325213842 325795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import GlkMain; foreign export exported_glk_main ...; exported_glk_main = ... set things up and call glkMain ... < 1325213848 158100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be as simple as = libraryCall glkMain ofc < 1325213857 842881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the user just writes a GlkMain.glkMain as opposed to a Main.main < 1325213864 274537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does ghc --make GlkMain.hs glk-glue.hs < 1325213869 55203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whatever else is needed to be linked to, etc. < 1325213951 896092 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will the C codes that are already written in the library be able to call it like that? < 1325214043 798107 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325214100 549091 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other issue is that some Glk libraries will implement Unicode, some won't, and there might be some different versions, there will be functions lacked..... Although I suppose I could avoid those issues by calling those functions through the dispatch layer < 1325214146 515018 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Log URL (md5sum compressed): d12f6451164ee3a49c57aad146bf6f9b | You can learn the plain text log URL and more by visiting your local library! Knowledge is power! < 1325214193 537008 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325214197 123328 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WinGlk does not even implement the latest version of the Glk specification at this time < 1325214520 711362 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I use C union types in Haskell? < 1325214594 932284 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even C structure types? < 1325215108 306404 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think the animus fragments are for like backstory or something. < 1325215132 183607 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan oh you make corrections? I pulled the >>+ from the logs on the same day you mentioned the obviousness. < 1325215132 666923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325215529 195933 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just write wrapper functions in C instead, which can be written to be meant for use with Haskell program, and then import those into Haskell < 1325215710 249809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: what? < 1325215907 284351 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-188-9.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1325215924 89177 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-234-37.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1325216832 740010 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I tell Mozilla not to load any images or anything else until after the entire HTML has been loaded? < 1325217029 775683 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325217158 164431 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1325217265 775214 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there was an extension I once had that did something like that. < 1325217268 459701 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall the name < 1325217274 896872 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was one of those generic "speed up" extensions < 1325219132 803626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I really want a Chrome extension that saves the entire opened tabs (in all windows) as a bookmark folder. < 1325219288 275450 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t unfoldr < 1325219289 108806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a. (b -> Maybe (a, b)) -> b -> [a] < 1325219311 246429 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t random < 1325219312 51362 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall g a. (Random a, RandomGen g) => g -> (a, g) < 1325219663 410086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kallisti < 1325219797 386107 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1325219813 94405 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm trying to convince someone that randomly generated a string of 10 characters has nothing to do with alpha conversion. < 1325219817 966107 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*generating < 1325219837 886171 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also he's using GADT because it "helps him see the type signature" but he's doing it wrong. :( < 1325219953 221594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: where < 1325219962 376527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you're still on watch for misusing gadts mister < 1325219980 578779 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: facebook < 1325219982 748536 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am? < 1325219987 23724 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even used them yet. < 1325219997 640995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah with your signal stuff, trying to stuff discrete and continuous signals into single data type < 1325220009 173760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw you basically just reinvented frp (which i was too tired to realise at the time), so you're in good company) < 1325220027 171706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in frp, Behavior a ~ Time -> a, and Event a ~ [(Time,a)] -- continuous and discrete signals, respectively) < 1325220218 643566 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I noticed that later as I was reading about FRP < 1325220286 137095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has managed to convince himself that some-form-of-FRP solves just about every need he has of a programming system, which is great, because I can procrastinate with impunity thanks to its research status
< 1325220320 241900 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol < 1325220368 255425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realised that discrete stream processing a la iteratees is just arrowised (or, well, signal-transformer style) FRP with discrete time :) < 1325220417 900304 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: excellent < 1325220467 144674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pro: I can apply all the FRP knowledge out there to stream processing < 1325220471 867465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :con: stream processing is now an unsolved problem < 1325220539 145912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: what fucking time is it over there < 1325220565 241216 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:49 PM < 1325220582 10291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that's when you woke up < 1325220617 345825 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh yeah actually I realized something similar recenly, when someone in Haskell mentioned that Nat -> a can be considered isomorphic to Stream a < 1325220623 766943 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you ignore _|_) < 1325220632 694663 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I woke up about an hour ago. < 1325220635 325578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's obvious. and i don't think there are any extra _|_s < 1325220723 15209 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so Stream a is just an Event with a constant interval between every Time < 1325220747 595381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well an infinite Event. < 1325220758 423700 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that too < 1325220765 424644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but note that no sane FRP implementation since Fran actually implements the types like that < 1325220766 551913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because < 1325220768 2168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're slow) < 1325220775 552334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because they let you do too much < 1325220779 67872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider Behavior a -> Behavior b < 1325220784 155067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can look into the future of the behaviour it's given < 1325220787 323915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and into the far past < 1325220790 545233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not really streaming < 1325220798 52199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations, you're now up to the point where nobody knows how to solve this < 1325220801 524934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well OK there are proposals) < 1325220803 625501 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it can also blow memory / call stack < 1325220811 521798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er yes but I don't see how that's relevant < 1325220828 199737 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :relevant to the part where you mentioned those implementations are inefficient < 1325220849 112522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...yes... but you can't stop a program blowing memory/call stack < 1325220857 479604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're inefficient even for efficient implementations of Behaviors and Times < 1325220858 930743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1325220859 735964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Events < 1325220908 905873 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I guess "lol THEY CAN ASPLODE COMPUTER" is sort of a trivial point... < 1325221122 709975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :75 rep already today. oh no. all those upvotes are going to go down the drain later on < 1325221147 468817 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :looool < 1325221179 925008 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just think of all the things you could do with that wasted rep < 1325221182 381400 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... have more rep. < 1325221184 537304 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then... < 1325221185 665255 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :???? < 1325221207 128796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1325221215 725305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dream < 1325221226 281925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/badges/146/legendary < 1325221228 787354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is to earn this < 1325221247 896439 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be easy < 1325221253 309653 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if it were "150 times consecutively" < 1325221302 301305 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I told this guy about De Bruijn indices and he... seems reluctant. < 1325221304 793034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1325221305 115010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/users/1097181/ehird?tab=reputation < 1325221313 336457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've slipped exactly one day < 1325221316 478720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOUNDS EASY TO ME < 1325221327 390995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: defriend < 1325221335 910139 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why his "randomly generate 10 variable names" is going to be easier than De Bruijn indices. < 1325221343 328646 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it literally makes ALPHA CONVERSION SO EASY < 1325221372 120514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't < 1325221372 483616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have < 1325221373 972799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to alpha convert < 1325221376 844134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the point of de bruijn < 1325221381 305710 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1325221501 672120 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are free variables typically represented? < 1325221533 569081 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1325221641 268861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't < 1325221644 702028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well < 1325221653 595857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable indices greater than the number of nested lambdas < 1325221662 92932 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's what it looks like < 1325221677 849903 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you do like.. negatives instead or is that less convenient? < 1325221854 602236 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I understand what the index for free variables signifies < 1325221953 180906 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tell it just identifies it. so in term with a "lambda depth" of 3, any 4 would be referring to the same free variable < 1325221962 517067 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any 5 would be referring to a different free variable. < 1325221969 365168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1325221975 975353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in \e, 0 is the parameter < 1325221979 707438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and every other variable is increased by 1 < 1325221989 73205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for someone advocating de bruijn you don't seem to know anything about it :P < 1325221999 58959 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Wikipedia starts at 1 < 1325222014 500246 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so \x. x < 1325222019 574311 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is \ 1 < 1325222023 984463 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net NICK :Klisz < 1325222097 658039 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also that's irrelevant to what I was talking. those are bound variables. I get those. < 1325222121 362958 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would it be bad to use negative indices instead for free variables? < 1325222137 689622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could never bind them... < 1325222144 771370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas you can bind free vars by doing (\e)x < 1325222230 214927 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I don't get the point of free variables then... < 1325222275 494890 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what does (\e) signify? < 1325222289 777653 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look like a complete lambda term to me. < 1325222325 148263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e is the expression you want to bind the free variable of < 1325222335 351933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance let's say we have (\1 0) with free variable 1 < 1325222343 146024 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1325222344 918827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we want to bind 1 to be print < 1325222347 214557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could do < 1325222359 786030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\((\1 0) 0) print < 1325222369 431077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric := \print 0 < 1325222381 722651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more simply < 1325222384 500971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have 0 (no lambda) < 1325222390 751710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and want to bind its free variable to print < 1325222393 328103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\0) print < 1325222409 488964 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, why have I never seen this ever. :P < 1325222416 258642 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I didn't pay attention to that. < 1325222455 219863 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay. < 1325222457 154865 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1325222504 637488 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was misinterpreting your syntax above < 1325222518 113565 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't reading (\e)x in the de bruijn notation. < 1325222531 575685 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there was letters involved. < 1325222580 219949 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm okay.... < 1325222599 617473 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you have an arbitrary order to how you assign free variables though? < 1325222602 357686 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1325222606 888555 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x. y z < 1325222613 656665 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be \ 1 2 < 1325222618 769567 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or \ 2 1 < 1325222620 740168 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1325222842 849844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two forms < 1325222845 362108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well wait < 1325222850 606891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure whatever < 1325222858 498880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why you'd use de bruijn for free variables < 1325222861 236275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people usually use names for those < 1325222877 920002 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just going by the Wikipedia article, which assigns indices to them < 1325222890 639885 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah it would probably be easier to use -1 for the index and just keep the name floating around < 1325222995 688799 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is wondering what the most efficient algorithm for assigning De Bruijn indices in Haskell is.
< 1325223025 978433 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whast I'm thinking of is probably horrible... < 1325223085 53959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAKE ME GO TO BED < 1325223087 311542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : but yeah it would probably be easier to use -1 for the index and just keep the name floating around < 1325223088 304886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no just < 1325223093 524295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Lam = Free String | Bound Int | ... < 1325223102 918385 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1325223113 353780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most efficient is easy < 1325223144 753238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewr env (VLam name e) = Lam (rewr (Map.insert name 0 (Map.map succ env))))) e)))) < 1325223148 979268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well < 1325223150 646682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :efficient enough anyway < 1325223184 133779 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's basically what I was thinking, though not quite so concise. < 1325223190 518450 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea was "lol use a Map" < 1325223425 414123 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'd want a datatype to represent the syntax tree and a data type to represent the tree after de bruijnifying right? < 1325223602 525568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean you want a data type for the named and de bruijn representation, then yes duh < 1325223609 226557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want to process strings :P < 1325223808 140832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: help can't sleep need rep < 1325224439 448221 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: work on your #esoteric rep < 1325224460 356364 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :by... < 1325224461 965916 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1325224465 39761 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1325224517 981863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :killing everyone < 1325224649 433869 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes good < 1325224655 219263 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he still wants to alpha convert. ;_; < 1325224670 15906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :defriend < 1325224670 787447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1325224674 893767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told you to do that hours ago < 1325224686 874442 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of my other RL friends know Haskell at all. :P < 1325224726 389924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the one you do is terrible < 1325224730 498668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship improvement drive < 1325224761 184144 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's at least realized that randomly generating 10 variables names for each variable does absolutely nothing for him. < 1325224808 634284 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's an electrical engineering major so I guess I can excuse him for being bad at programming. < 1325224822 422373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_(unidentified_sound) this freaks me out way more than bloop < 1325224947 513487 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Julia sounds freakier to me. < 1325224991 565771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistle_(unidentified_sound) aaaaaaaaaah god < 1325225007 66766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(turn up volume) < 1325225028 349130 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325225051 295275 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf upsweep is weird too < 1325225063 156551 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should make some electronic noise music with upsweep in the background
< 1325225066 131043 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeaaaah < 1325225068 167624 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1325225071 192439 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could make a whole album < 1325225073 988848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The sound appears to be seasonal, generally reaching peaks in spring and fall, but it is unclear whether this is due to changes in the source or seasonal changes in the propagation environment. The source can be roughly located at 54° S 140° W, near the location of inferred volcanic seismicity, but the origin of the sound is unresolved. The overall source level has been declining since 1991 but the sounds can still be detected on NOAA's equato < 1325225074 145087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rial autonomous hydrophone arrays.[1]" < 1325225078 378878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha oh boy nightmares < 1325225096 60149 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with each of these sounds < 1325225097 712673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://toolserver.org/~geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Upsweep_(unidentified_sound)¶ms=54_S_140_W_scale:40000000 oh great, the source is out in the middle of fucking nowhere < 1325225102 798959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes me feel so much better < 1325225104 185237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see like < 1325225112 677262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was off the coast of ireland or something < 1325225113 805262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be like < 1325225117 281043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure w/e can't be anything too serious < 1325225129 705445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but satan could rise from the deep there and nobody would notice < 1325225211 644668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: http://www.listentothedeep.com/acoustics/index.html < 1325225214 767142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hear the next bloop AS IT HAPPENS < 1325225217 204134 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://matt.might.net/articles/cek-machines/ hmmm have you heard of these? < 1325225219 164520 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vlc implemented a crt tv emulation deinterlacing mode called "phosphor".. but I don't have it :( < 1325225221 460192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best way to be completely fucking terrified! < 1325225246 729470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Just port VLC to VICE, it has really good C64-on-an-NTSC-TV emulation. < 1325225262 660370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I think I've seen that article. < 1325225277 937632 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sounds like... < 1325225281 343211 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of watery static < 1325225334 573070 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like.. a magnetohydrodynamic movie prop! < 1325225364 487086 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the Haskell in this article is not idiomatic. < 1325225365 131306 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :For examples, data constructors take tuples instead of expanding the components into fields. < 1325225368 561302 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad bad bad < 1325225628 192294 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmmm does "free variable" have a kind of contextual definition as well? < 1325225631 997142 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example: < 1325225639 143112 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x. \y. x < 1325225650 282181 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you say that x is a free variable in the inner lambda? < 1325225661 104070 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bound in the whole expression? < 1325225665 751658 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1325225802 891763 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1325225848 816934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: if you... wanted to? < 1325225865 2466 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I ask because this CEK machine thing uses "free variable" in this way. < 1325225886 834815 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The type D contains values. For the basic lambda-calculus, there is only one kind of value: the closure. A closure is a lambda term paired with an environment that defines the values of its free variables." < 1325226273 933021 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION elliott I feel my interpreter class for my programming language for work is getting kind of ridiculous
< 1325226308 554268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oymyakon why would you live her < 1325226310 395103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1325226327 162316 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you were born there . < 1325226334 61248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1325226339 176934 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1325226342 765684 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting philsophical < 1325226344 218196 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :question < 1325226346 36620 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often wonder < 1325226355 524710 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why did I end up being me? and not something else." < 1325226362 532990 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this concept of identity blows my mind. < 1325226398 418132 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :consciousness. I AM JUST MATTER WHY DO I EXIST AS THIS REACTIVE PRESENCE. < 1325226439 769404 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Dust < 1325226451 689714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1325226452 173452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1325226455 718151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: http://toolserver.org/~geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Extreme_points_of_Earth¶ms=48_52.6_S_123_23.6_W_type:landmark&title=Point+Nemo < 1325226462 400597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pacific pole of inaccessibility < 1325226468 192841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like RIGHT NEXT to the source of that sound* < 1325226469 713783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fsvo right next < 1325226496 778808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm telling you < 1325226498 790773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SATAN CUOLD RISE < 1325226500 839119 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s=severe or small? < 1325226525 689 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, some < 1325226650 637708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since the Earth is a spheroid, its center (the core) is thousands of kilometres beneath its crust" thanks wp < 1325227011 111984 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is that because it's a spheroid or because the earth has thousands of kilometres of volume. < 1325227080 428458 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because the earth is a spheroid and has thousands of cubic kilometres of volume, its center is thousands of kilometres beneath its crust" -- MoreAccuratepedia < 1325227463 205163 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :any reason why Haskell randomly decided that Ordering constructors have all caps. < 1325227469 416102 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :EQ LT GT instead of Eq Lt and Gt < 1325227488 198342 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're abbreviations, but most abbreviations in Haskell don't do that. < 1325227507 933266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why IO and not Io < 1325227525 806553 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e-qual < 1325227667 982824 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess for acronyms it typically is capitalized < 1325227680 488093 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, EQ is not an acronym. < 1325227688 476842 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1325227691 321343 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :LT GT and Eq < 1325227692 288883 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be < 1325227693 94645 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb < 1325227815 660232 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: SLEEP, GLORIOUS SLEEP < 1325227896 702766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1325227898 797657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep person < 1325227900 254178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1325227900 992315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate you < 1325228079 766077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1325228081 55719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its still dark < 1325228085 40375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti should i catch a sleep < 1325228089 653440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ebfbore it runs out < 1325228129 654662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy?? < 1325228133 914886 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1325228154 265535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i < 1325228155 942449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catch a sleep < 1325228156 559315 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep may be a good idea, but only if you are tired < 1325228158 251814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :efbore it runs out < 1325228160 184950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im nto < 1325228161 713816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really tired < 1325228163 526848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im kinda tired < 1325228169 85321 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleepeing in the day time is fine too < 1325228174 41755 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i napped < 1325228181 366143 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shame < 1325228195 645514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant sleeep too much ebcause ill run out of stack oevrflow reputaewiotn ;_; < 1325228207 154551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh 20 rep just came in < 1325228208 443540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i will < 1325228226 185167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy tell me to sleep < 1325228227 635988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with bold text < 1325228229 893684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that usually works < 1325228245 381929 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :slep?? < 1325228250 959404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1325228252 336375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the marks < 1325228253 882303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of questioning :( < 1325228268 166097 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :selp < 1325228288 516108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti < 1325228292 630211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me to slep < 1325228327 785006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (go to sleep)S < 1325228327 941179 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to sleep < 1325228332 724032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's good fungot < 1325228332 919386 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i am just as confused. you just don't know < 1325228338 507999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you are acold emotionallynes robot :( < 1325228340 242722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: :DDD < 1325228340 403926 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if that is not used commonly and carries with it an array subscript was too easy heh one time i figured if it's possible, notify the notary. < 1325228376 852186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :( < 1325228383 540326 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1325228390 103759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ill just < 1325228391 969231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :give up on sleep < 1325228395 42839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to < 1325228397 779530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lack of support < 1325228401 132794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of my TRUE FRENZ :'( < 1325228462 382482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you all < 1325228462 888356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :suck < 1325228467 818280 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[ < 1325228479 734321 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprunge is the best thing ever < 1325228591 536057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: tel me an slep ;-; < 1325228592 987435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ops < 1325228593 671325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1325228595 502092 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an slep < 1325228596 629746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made bad emoticon < 1325228600 439515 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1325228659 246555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1325228662 146814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you all hate you all hate < 1325228710 356619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im going to go to bed NO THANKX TO U AND UR MEDLING KIDS < 1325228721 609627 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is bed a slep < 1325228723 651873 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a bed < 1325228731 81080 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a bed is bad, but slep a bed is good < 1325228736 9426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1325228742 528021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CANT BETRAY ME THEN DEMAND THE ANSWERS < 1325228744 194931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::_______; < 1325228744 355660 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i just a bed then slep in the day < 1325228750 533784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: A SINGULAR CRY < 1325228762 969689 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sequence < 1325228763 775996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => [m a] -> m [a] < 1325229073 240096 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sequence ["abc", "def"] < 1325229074 208233 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["ad","ae","af","bd","be","bf","cd","ce","cf"] < 1325229544 701378 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> replicateM 5 "AKQJ0123456789" < 1325229546 30599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["AAAAA","AAAAK","AAAAQ","AAAAJ","AAAA0","AAAA1","AAAA2","AAAA3","AAAA4","A... < 1325229563 217531 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325229578 960433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1325229624 17520 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter ((==1).length.group) $ replicateM 5 "AKQJ0123456789" < 1325229628 971347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1325229637 702853 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325229662 418280 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length $ filter ((==1).length.group) $ replicateM 5 "AKQJ0123456789" < 1325229666 411717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 14 < 1325229669 672769 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol no < 1325229690 396094 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> group "AAAAA" < 1325229692 40602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["AAAAA"] < 1325229697 831417 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> group "AAAAQ" < 1325229698 797678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["AAAA","Q"] < 1325229709 687166 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1325229714 894737 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length $ filter ((/=1).length.group) $ replicateM 5 "AKQJ0123456789" < 1325229717 203707 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 537810 < 1325229721 78633 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter ((/=1).length.group) $ replicateM 5 "AKQJ0123456789" < 1325229722 851545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["AAAAK","AAAAQ","AAAAJ","AAAA0","AAAA1","AAAA2","AAAA3","AAAA4","AAAA5","A... < 1325229789 554889 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it called when you make a variant of an existing Alternative (or MonadPlus) that reverses <|> < 1325229826 462885 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often, "T" is used for a ten in a deck of cards, if that is what you are trying to do < 1325229905 388039 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1325229959 30501 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter ((==2).length.group) $ replicateM 5 "AKQJ0123456789" < 1325229960 625935 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["AAAAK","AAAAQ","AAAAJ","AAAA0","AAAA1","AAAA2","AAAA3","AAAA4","AAAA5","A... < 1325229978 224326 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all four-of-a-kinds and full houses < 1325230019 478287 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (&&&) < 1325230020 390235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (a :: * -> * -> *) b c c'. (Arrow a) => a b c -> a b c' -> a b (c, c') < 1325230106 196718 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (\h -> length (group h) == 2 && all ((/=4).length) h) $ replicateM 5 "AKQJ0123456789" < 1325230107 249755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[a]' < 1325230107 406090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `GHC.Types... < 1325230125 760587 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you should use 'T' for ten < 1325230147 952399 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter ((\h -> length h == 2 && all ((/=4).length) h).group) $ replicateM 5 "AKQJ0123456789" < 1325230149 772067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["AAAKK","AAAQQ","AAAJJ","AAA00","AAA11","AAA22","AAA33","AAA44","AAA55","A... < 1325230154 885219 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay fine < 1325230165 842019 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter ((\h -> length h == 2 && all ((/=4).length) h).group) $ replicateM 5 "AKQJT98765432" < 1325230167 824967 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["AAAKK","AAAQQ","AAAJJ","AAATT","AAA99","AAA88","AAA77","AAA66","AAA55","A... < 1325230186 30389 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl ((\h -> length h == 2 && all ((/=4).length) h).group) < 1325230186 353044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap ((&&) . (2 ==) . length) (all ((4 /=) . length)) . group < 1325230260 594780 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is better, before you had fourteen cards anyways. Now they are in descending order properly < 1325230325 166313 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter ((\h -> length h == 2 && any ((==4).length) h).group) $ replicateM 5 "AKQJT98765432" < 1325230326 940460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["AAAAK","AAAAQ","AAAAJ","AAAAT","AAAA9","AAAA8","AAAA7","AAAA6","AAAA5","A... < 1325230334 992614 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :four of a kinds. < 1325230358 203559 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess actually I need to sort them first < 1325230384 905261 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter ((\h -> length h == 2 && any ((==4).length) h).group.sort) $ replicateM 5 "AKQJT98765432" < 1325230386 729912 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["AAAAK","AAAAQ","AAAAJ","AAAAT","AAAA9","AAAA8","AAAA7","AAAA6","AAAA5","A... < 1325230396 988241 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter ((\h -> length h == 2 && all ((/=4).length) h).group.sort) $ replicateM 5 "AKQJT98765432" < 1325230398 922795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["AAAKK","AAAQQ","AAAJJ","AAATT","AAA99","AAA88","AAA77","AAA66","AAA55","A... < 1325230411 636049 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no < 1325230416 448663 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorting them gives me duplicates < 1325232532 971845 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :catMaybe = (>>= maybe empty pure); In what cases does catMaybe . optional = id fails? I think it fails when there are error messages associated with it? And the list monad has no error messages so it succeeds with that one. < 1325232535 598477 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YouTube is WTFy < 1325232553 214074 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I go to watch a video of This is Gallifrey, music info says "Martha Triumphant" < 1325232564 820520 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I go to Martha Triumphant, underneath is "Donna's Theme" < 1325232568 591586 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HANl6jQxxQ < 1325232758 323934 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When looking at the continuation monad definitions, I notice it seems to be similar to the type for double nots < 1325232774 274321 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :double nots? < 1325232790 516813 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And will be, if in ((a -> r) -> r) if r is uninhabited type!) < 1325232802 248115 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donna's Theme is The Stowaway, apparently < 1325232829 574704 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REwOudgPQTI&feature=related gets the song right < 1325232831 900675 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in shock < 1325232832 395589 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is also codensity monads, which is similar but r is universally quantified instead of being a parameter. That is the other way too. < 1325232837 292654 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's just the channel < 1325232898 882355 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think the codensity monad *is* the double nots. < 1325232922 258132 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, kind of. < 1325233497 405077 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a proper implementation of category of walks? data Walk w x y where { WalkId :: Walk w a a; WalkTo :: w a b -> Walk w b c -> Walk w a c; }; instance Category (Walk w) where { id = WalkId; WalkId . z = z; z . WalkId = z; z . WalkTo x y = WalkTo x (z . y); }; makeWalk :: w x y -> Walk w x y; makeWalk = flip WalkTo WalkId; < 1325233845 620264 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it supposed to have a different name? < 1325234672 295472 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star < 1325234684 149879 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :or reflexive transitive closure < 1325234698 976086 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cse.chalmers.se/~nad/listings/lib/Data.Star.html#553 < 1325234776 217471 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not understand an Agda code much. < 1325234795 982518 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mail-archive.com/haskell-cafe@haskell.org/msg19411.html is a little more comprehensible, but he instantiated your w variable < 1325234810 986869 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :search for ReduceEventually < 1325234833 688755 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the usual name I've seen for it is reflexive, transitive closure < 1325234845 5055 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :of a relation (w in your version) < 1325234916 69343 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi scrutinize my lambda calculus stuff: http://sprunge.us/SjJZ < 1325235046 966217 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one doesn't appear to have a Category instance. Also, when I named it "Walk" I was thinking that w could be a digraph, which is why I called it that, although of course w can be any type of the kind (* -> * -> *). And I think it is not a functor from (w) to (Walk w) but is a functor the other way around. Is it? Maybe I am wrong? < 1325235099 524792 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where x and y are the nodes and the constructors of w are the edges) < 1325236499 59775 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything else about this kind of thing related to these way too? < 1325236677 303250 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t shows < 1325236678 279506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Show a) => a -> String -> String < 1325236823 472577 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol apparently λ in a string doubles as an escape character? < 1325236831 152234 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> " λ" < 1325236832 159465 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : " \955" < 1325236836 284477 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmmm < 1325236847 77842 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's an error in emacs syntax highlighter < 1325236859 110084 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you fix it? < 1325236867 103496 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1325237127 281928 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot may have different behavior due to bleh < 1325237159 105725 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, GHCi does not consider it to be an escape character < 1325237363 512498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1325237524 215640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo! < 1325237524 701703 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1325237559 173213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : @tell oerjan oh you make corrections? I pulled the >>+ from the logs on the same day you mentioned the obviousness. < 1325237574 784289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't a correction, it was a theory of why i'd say something that stupid :P < 1325237583 628072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might itself be wrong, of course < 1325237753 450766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol apparently λ in a string doubles as an escape character? <-- erm show for Strings gives Unicode points outside ASCII as escape characters, i think. < 1325237757 943104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Ø" < 1325237758 950326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\216" < 1325237879 654340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm i probably misunderstood what you were asking < 1325237999 284473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:24:57: Is this a proper implementation of category of walks? data Walk w x y where { WalkId :: Walk w a a; WalkTo :: w a b -> Walk w b c -> Walk w a c; }; instance Category (Walk w) where { id = WalkId; WalkId . z = z; z . WalkId = z; z . WalkTo x y = WalkTo x (z . y); }; makeWalk :: w x y -> Walk w x y; makeWalk = flip WalkTo WalkId; < 1325238004 567347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:30:45: Is it supposed to have a different name? < 1325238094 226319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that looks isomorphic to http://hackage.haskell.org/package/thrist-0.2.1 < 1325238276 629749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ^ < 1325238373 357535 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, yes, OK. But I didn't think it should be arr? I think it is a functor the other way around instead or what, I don't know? < 1325238448 444059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well the arrow instance requires w / ~> to be an arrow < 1325238525 843371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need something similar to map back from Walk w to w, i think < 1325238529 107702 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to make arrow instances, then I took an arrow to the knee. < 1325238629 440235 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did see that. But still, it doesn't look like it is really a functor from another category to this one, as far as I can tell. It looks like to me, it is a functor the other way around < 1325238765 781139 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did look at the RULES pragma for Control.Arrow and isn't it supposed to be arr is some kind of functor from one category to another? < 1325238787 659548 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As opposed to fmap, which is an endofunctor) < 1325238815 739122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it looks to me like a free construction, which means there should be a free walk functor (not necessarily Functor) one way, and an underlying w functor the other way, which are hopefully an adjoint pair in the category sense < 1325238822 813754 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I mean backslash not escape character < 1325238829 257659 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it's an emacs syntax highlighting thing < 1325238836 437683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: ok < 1325238846 79918 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I put a lambda before an end quote it continues treating the stuff after the end quote as a string < 1325238849 643034 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as though it had been escaped < 1325238900 110576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also, where there is an adjoint pair there will be a category monad, not necessarily a Monad < 1325238922 745023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since it's probably defined on the subcategory of w a b objects) < 1325238944 270185 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi http://sprunge.us/FgOU < 1325238960 336870 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the untyped lambda calculus in Haskell. See if it's wrong. < 1325238985 449306 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it better, etc. < 1325238994 294451 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it won't hold arr id = id arr x . arr y = arr (x . y) (This second one is called "compose/arr" in Control.Arrow) At least, it is the case in mine, whether or not theirs is < 1325239039 767892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah right, it only holds if you identify obvious compositions, i guess. < 1325239040 90677 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I hope you don't mind my gratuitous use of case expressions, I find them less annoying than writing "f x y" over and over when I don't actually pattern match x or y ever. < 1325239069 841724 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the case of showDBForm I didn't feel like writing that name 4 times. < 1325239071 632920 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lazy.
< 1325239088 896926 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think a functor the other way around works though. < 1325239390 564829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: your showDBForm needs parentheses for right nested applications < 1325239402 620524 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh indeed < 1325239409 360521 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example: class (Category c1, Category c2) => CatFunctor c1 c2 where { funct :: c1 x y -> c2 x y; } < 1325239432 369463 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is really a generalization of arr, but without first < 1325239583 490690 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when beta reducing what do I need to do to non-substituted indices? < 1325239588 425712 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it okay to leave them alone? < 1325239611 278604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* kallisti lazy. <-- heard of copy/paste? :P < 1325239617 786079 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: never < 1325239631 192424 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously need at least like 4 copy paste buffers I think. < 1325239776 421800 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized my reduceSteps function doesn't show you the last reduction. :( < 1325239816 238618 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> catMaybes [Nothing, Nothing..] < 1325239817 245526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `]' < 1325239825 258940 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> catMaybes [Nothing, Nothing..Nothing] < 1325239826 549051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : A section must be enclosed in parentheses < 1325239826 705396 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : thus: (`Nothing..` Nothing)Not... < 1325239830 14347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: your reduce seem to be missing the case of App f x where f needs to be reduced recursively < 1325239838 777677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*seems < 1325239878 703382 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean when f is the variable being substituted or? < 1325239893 872982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, when f is itself an App < 1325239947 573569 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm... < 1325239971 465752 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you... sure? < 1325240076 149184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite sure. how would you ever get App (App (Abs (Abs 0)) (Free "a")) (Free "b") reduced with your reduce? < 1325240082 835164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes he got that right
< 1325240120 252987 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 should be Bound 0 but okay. < 1325240125 651320 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1325240167 279170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka (\x y -> y) a b, he hopes) < 1325240195 682702 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmmm. < 1325240259 764895 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1325240326 712507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : > catMaybes [Nothing, Nothing..Nothing] <-- (1) . after a capitalized identifier gets interpreted as module qualification (2) there is no Enum instance for Maybes < 1325240373 542053 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> catMaybes (repeat Nothing) < 1325240378 730534 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :looool < 1325240379 54054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1325240379 209817 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: Prelude.undefined < 1325240424 281995 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something like iterate except it stops on a Nothing? < 1325240448 695439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :takeWhile isJust . iterate f < 1325240454 675670 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to say < 1325240470 999110 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also needs a catMaybes < 1325240496 260914 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :catMaybes . < 1325240502 618340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot recall anything succinct < 1325240503 263380 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src catMaybes < 1325240503 585658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :catMaybes ls = [x | Just x <- ls] < 1325240505 664913 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: thanks. :> < 1325240513 834162 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it doesn't use fromJust. Good < 1325240526 6426 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it use fromjust < 1325240534 161215 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what catmaybes does right < 1325240541 415123 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :map fromJust . filter isJust < 1325240551 777825 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a rather bad way to put it < 1325240559 218789 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a good one < 1325240565 744848 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a better way to do it without list comprehensions? < 1325240566 227671 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~who knows~ < 1325240637 386667 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmmm so....reduce (App f x) = App (reduce f) x < 1325240659 481563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: yeah < 1325240684 320287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your canReduce needs adjustment too < 1325240689 700448 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1325240721 682930 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do you feel about my where clause inbetween two cases of a function. :P < 1325240730 349964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you could use the trick of returning a Maybe which gives Nothing if there was nothing reduced < 1325240742 237445 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes that's what I was doing < 1325240748 494638 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I asked the above thing about iterate and Maybes :P < 1325240753 772878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then :) < 1325240780 380814 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess recursion could work for a safe catMaybes? < 1325240798 495718 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :safe? < 1325240799 663449 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty \f -> fst . until (isNothing.snd) (\(x,Just prev) -> (prev, f x)) . (id &&& Just) < 1325240800 792702 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> Maybe a) -> a -> a < 1325240804 818088 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmmm please tell me I don't have to if-then-else though :( < 1325240871 254462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: i think your subst Bound case is wrong, iirc < 1325240882 340194 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: sgeo: < 1325240887 529628 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes I was wondering what I should do with indices when I'm substituting. < 1325240888 175760 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t concatMap maybeToList < 1325240888 822835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. [Maybe b] -> [b] < 1325240914 960200 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a good catMaybes" - monqy < 1325240920 593758 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it does something weird < 1325240922 554037 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's bad < 1325240923 843366 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-monqy < 1325240928 382713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: i think you need to increment things in sub when entering an abstraction < 1325240929 66965 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t concatMap < 1325240930 37536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> [b]) -> [a] -> [b] < 1325240946 318532 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh okay. < 1325240951 622008 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how sure are you about that? < 1325240956 876997 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, cool < 1325240973 166545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very, i'm not particularly familiar with debruijn indexes :P < 1325240976 322822 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "increment things" so you mean every bound variable? < 1325240980 35203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1325240987 125815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1325240988 771879 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1325241002 551661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, yes. < 1325241051 366734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops hm wait < 1325241054 672356 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325241056 621167 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we get like < 1325241057 911880 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :an example. < 1325241059 289854 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to play with. < 1325241079 781832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think i'm retracting that. < 1325241106 68324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you are only reducing at top level, every bound variable in sub will be bound _inside_ sub < 1325241115 652634 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1325241127 257681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those should obviously not be renumbered < 1325241130 901076 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing only one beta reduction step. < 1325241136 10409 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the top level of the expression < 1325241171 29685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you don't do any reductions inside abstractions, it should be fine < 1325241184 118102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i hope you'll be testing it well ;P < 1325241189 881443 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes of course < 1325241193 645607 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am master tester < 1325241202 48414 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not really I hate testing) < 1325241412 975988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you use Maybe you can probably use unfoldr < 1325241440 120936 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1325241442 978254 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget about that < 1325241445 20067 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t unfoldr < 1325241446 28650 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a. (b -> Maybe (a, b)) -> b -> [a] < 1325241446 189617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait hm < 1325241462 18955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always tricky whether you get it right at the end then < 1325241481 883110 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1325241510 589315 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :reduceSteps = catMaybes . takeWhile isJust . iterate maybeReduce . Just . indexify < 1325241513 693144 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : where < 1325241516 192392 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybeReduce (Just e) < 1325241516 354046 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi make this less terrible < 1325241518 620571 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : | canReduce e = Just (reduce e) < 1325241521 203619 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : | otherwise = Nothing < 1325241523 661426 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybeReduce Nothing = Nothing < 1325241544 263561 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am bad with Maybe, maybe? < 1325241557 531599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you don't use canReduce with the Maybe solution < 1325241567 127994 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't? < 1325241567 290030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you let _reduce_ return a Maybe < 1325241576 505854 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmmmm < 1325241579 115361 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that as much < 1325241585 707741 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes sense. < 1325241599 579854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the easiest way to avoid the duplication of work between canReduce and reduce < 1325241620 654215 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1325241623 437031 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :by eliminating canReduce :P < 1325241639 615255 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay a maybe is fine. < 1325241651 965676 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-239.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325241655 75994 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-239.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1325241690 862619 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: except now I have to unwrap the maybe everytime I iterate < 1325241699 602721 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait monad < 1325241706 128859 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks monad < 1325241752 402552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let collatz 1 = Nothing; collatz x | even x = Just $ x `div` 2 | otherwise = Just $ 3*x+1 in unfoldr ((id &&& id) . collatz) 19 < 1325241754 17399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Data.Maybe.Maybe (a, b)' < 1325241754 173213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against infe... < 1325241756 637720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1325241760 724117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1325241782 546954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let collatz 1 = Nothing; collatz x | even x = Just $ x `div` 2 | otherwise = Just $ 3*x+1 in unfoldr ((id &&& id) <=< collatz) 19 < 1325241785 166784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Data.Maybe.Maybe (a, b)' < 1325241785 322740 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against infe... < 1325241789 74280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ga < 1325241800 176011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1325241820 980432 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty (id &&& id) . Just < 1325241821 948719 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> (Maybe a, Maybe a) < 1325241836 388110 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty Just . join (,) < 1325241836 884000 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :reduceSteps :: LCExpr -> [DBForm] < 1325241837 207312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> Maybe (a, a) < 1325241837 631518 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :reduceSteps = catMaybes . takeWhile isJust . iterate (>>=reduce) . indexify < 1325241839 693555 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better < 1325241841 951509 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I have to fix: < 1325241850 366871 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :reduce (App f x) = Just (App (reduce f) x) < 1325241865 758525 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :more bind or maybe I guess? < 1325241883 25105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip App x <$> reduce f < 1325241892 316400 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. < 1325241902 634309 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad flip is GROSS < 1325241906 965665 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll use it anyway < 1325241927 172790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :App <$> reduce f <*> Just x < 1325241929 673430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325241937 569990 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :choices, choices... < 1325241955 602525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip < 1325241956 570881 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b. (Functor f) => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b < 1325241975 587405 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember I don't have that flip. :P < 1325241980 498077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot's extended flip is actually what would work there < 1325241995 528393 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the applicative one. < 1325242012 183326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably doesn't have the right precedence, though < 1325242012 667121 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because I have an unwarranted phobia of using flip. < 1325242027 71579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm of course < 1325242036 321510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`App` x) <$> return f < 1325242039 980046 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-239.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1325242040 140795 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1325242045 155843 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't really like that either. < 1325242051 198215 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my usual solution to flip though < 1325242058 828085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reduce < 1325242134 142816 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only problem now is that I have no way to show steps in normal lambda calculus notation without performing alpha conversion (I think?) < 1325242143 364062 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, I could assign a unique character based on DB index < 1325242203 546110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Functor f => (b -> c) -> (a -> f a) -> f c < 1325242204 30473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Parallel.Strategies ($|) :: (a -> b) -> Strategy a -> a -> b < 1325242204 186300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Parallel.Strategies ($||) :: (a -> b) -> Strategy a -> a -> b < 1325242204 186412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Parallel.Strategies (.|) :: (b -> c) -> Strategy b -> (a -> b) -> (a -> c) < 1325242209 836582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1325242214 67005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Functor f => (b -> c) -> (a -> f b) -> f c < 1325242214 632006 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Parallel.Strategies ($|) :: (a -> b) -> Strategy a -> a -> b < 1325242214 788179 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Parallel.Strategies ($||) :: (a -> b) -> Strategy a -> a -> b < 1325242214 788360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Parallel.Strategies (.|) :: (b -> c) -> Strategy b -> (a -> b) -> (a -> c) < 1325242220 803811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one seems to be missing < 1325242227 775606 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat Control.Monad doesn't have <$> anymore> < 1325242231 849651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (b -> c) -> (a -> f b) -> f c < 1325242232 172595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Parallel.Strategies ($|) :: (a -> b) -> Strategy a -> a -> b < 1325242232 333956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Parallel.Strategies ($||) :: (a -> b) -> Strategy a -> a -> b < 1325242232 490462 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Parallel.Strategies (.|) :: (b -> c) -> Strategy b -> (a -> b) -> (a -> c) < 1325242247 288950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it never did, it's in applicative < 1325242251 735297 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1325242255 429851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also in functor itself < 1325242297 207818 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :reduceSteps = catMaybes . takeWhile isJust . iterate (>>=reduce) . Just . indexify < 1325242300 542017 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1325242396 407144 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my Haskell functions are usually one of three things 1) long lines of combinators 2) monsterous recursive case/guard things 3) do notation glue stuff < 1325242425 465300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let collatz 1 = Nothing; collatz x | even x = Just $ x `div` 2 | otherwise = Just $ 3*x+1 in unfoldr (\x -> (id &&& id) <$> collatz x) 19 < 1325242426 633863 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [58,29,88,44,22,11,34,17,52,26,13,40,20,10,5,16,8,4,2,1] < 1325242429 630302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1325242447 374773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: ^ that's the general structure for using unfoldr for such things < 1325242533 61182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess this doesn't give the _initial_ value. < 1325242595 150814 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi what should my LC expression trees derive < 1325242601 385051 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eq, Show, Read, Typeable, ...? < 1325242632 952660 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1325242684 865134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess. < 1325242711 839309 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I need DeriveDataTypeable for that apparently < 1325242743 956804 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think it's generally good practice to derive Typeable, though I could see it being unecessary sometimes (probably in this case) < 1325242788 448487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's the sort of thing that's useful for library users, i guess < 1325242795 363771 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1325242800 760804 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a LAMBDA CALCULUS LIBRARY < 1325242801 939763 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1325243053 780506 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaXqU7hVVhI < 1325243127 535849 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to make glyphs for the dwarf planets in our solar system which do not currently have glyphs assigned? (at least, Wikipedia doesn't have them) < 1325243242 129935 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you read the latest of my D&D recording? One thing it is supposed to be like is a story, like you can just read the text as a novel. (Although, there are also additional things such as footnotes and game data, in case you are interested in that too) < 1325243304 923850 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My character's inventory (including money) seem to change a lot (relatively) < 1325243412 561733 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :--showReduceSteps :: LCExpr -> [String] < 1325243412 879115 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :--showReduceSteps = map showDBForm . reduceSteps < 1325243413 35843 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :--showFullReduce :: LCExpr -> String < 1325243414 494038 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :--showFullReduce = last . showReduceSteps < 1325243422 531587 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think these functions are probably unecessary. < 1325243427 312914 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Do you like inverted qualia? < 1325244229 852464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 When looking at the continuation monad definitions, I notice it seems to be similar to the type for double nots <-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry%E2%80%93Howard_correspondence#Correspondence_between_classical_logic_and_control_operators is probably relevant < 1325244230 174503 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325244487 98375 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads about conduits
< 1325244521 47995 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325245037 308926 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1325245069 554895 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my local library has the plain text log url for #esoteric? < 1325245147 842970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's just the beginning of the process. you will have to find a secret portal and rescue a princess. < 1325245204 302763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a hint: if someone tells you the princess is in another castle, don't believe them, they're planted spies. < 1325245378 736535 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what? < 1325245395 705051 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure they don't just have "internet access and computers" < 1325245399 887634 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-51.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325245419 355261 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh topic < 1325245420 1204 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nv < 1325245420 646908 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1325245424 260083 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-51.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1325245428 565343 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there are castles!? < 1325245433 818252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah libraries cannot afford real books these days < 1325245440 816207 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: hi. Look what I did. http://sprunge.us/CWOb < 1325245446 574783 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I've gone and made the lambda calculus. < 1325245474 258858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: of course there are castles, have you not paid attention in your history classes? < 1325245476 532637 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-51.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a language that already features a form of Lambda Calculus? < 1325245482 281130 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: yes < 1325245487 373912 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-51.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1325245495 695286 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, typed lambda calculus. < 1325245497 953442 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is untyped. < 1325245514 637132 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-51.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \m n f -> m (n f) < 1325245515 682137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t t1 t2. (t1 -> t2) -> (t -> t1) -> t -> t2 < 1325245528 714022 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nope < 1325245530 937886 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-51.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, Haskell can't handle the S I I < 1325245533 959462 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust history < 1325245538 495045 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-51.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap id id < 1325245539 646792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a = a -> b < 1325245539 803359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Probable cause: `id' is applied to too few arguments < 1325245539 803557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the second argument of `ap', namely `id' < 1325245558 182375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: good policy. however, you can also find castles in tourist guides < 1325245558 570027 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-51.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can kallisti calculus? < 1325245566 139310 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1325245576 136342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not the castles themselves, directions to them) < 1325245583 47249 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can't go in those castles though, they're too flat < 1325245589 339618 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-51.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can kallisti's implementation of lambda calculus handle \x -> x x? < 1325245590 518903 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not real < 1325245605 262847 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: probably, since it's an untyped lambda calculus evaluator. < 1325245624 938529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abs (App (Bound 0) (Bound 0)) < 1325245644 839072 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: eventually I'll have a parser for it. < 1325245650 557158 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't feel like it right now. < 1325245653 379189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1325245669 658857 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'll have it spit out notation for each step by assigning unique variable names and stuff. < 1325245700 264047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl ap id id < 1325245700 586391 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :join id < 1325245748 447915 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-51.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that makes MIBBLLII developement much easier! < 1325245766 530230 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does? < 1325245768 917846 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is MIBBLLII? < 1325245785 135641 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-51.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :join id, it's a brainfuck-disguised combinatory logic esolang < 1325245807 7644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl ap id id (ap id id) < 1325245810 463893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap id id (ap id id) < 1325245810 620160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimization suspended, use @pl-resume to continue. < 1325245826 830369 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-51.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of saying <>> I can say ,> < 1325245846 487016 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this is what most Haskell LC evaluators do < 1325245856 241403 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iteratively apply beta reduction) < 1325245876 744629 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they write the evaluation in one big function? < 1325246065 230037 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm just got an idea for a language: < 1325246073 87372 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would happen if you this LC expression: < 1325246094 422900 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\x. y) (x x) < 1325246095 873048 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :became < 1325246099 512362 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :y y < 1325246105 106433 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse LC :P < 1325246105 966778 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-51.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably make my downhill esolang a CA < 1325246274 109275 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott was criticizing conduit but I don't remember how < 1325246372 759873 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1325246375 377407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: i think he dislikes the underlying impurity < 1325246402 545528 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I take what he said literally, he's wrong < 1325246411 525932 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"00:00:56: Sgeo: For one apparently you have to be in IO and use mutable variables to maintain any kind of internal state but it's ok because you're going to be in IO all the time anyway! < 1325246411 687079 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1325246417 12121 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :conduits work with ST < 1325246419 273941 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible candidate esolang names: goosereduce, reducearound, calculus the lambda, the calculus lambda, lambda the calculus, reduceagoose < 1325246426 383056 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :man I'm so good with names. < 1325246438 459777 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-51.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adbmal < 1325246448 192823 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's good. < 1325246452 289876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50 < 1325246461 605961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: WE HAVE METHODS < 1325246465 847745 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :blait dea our lie teinstata canage ling ready deflti bri see min dor beere pathe kurallammy mong apegulige coll sprii chaspatio acl cher aan erre behambrigh ligetally white barquitsu 3344.2 ardshutio prohilie lypock pasted ear uponcia txy iiide oouric urrilledg king nulatth haw ence belit frusinher matoirn aleneth eorredisport sembelfa < 1325246488 470048 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :acl < 1325246490 964154 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the Yesod blogposts talked about how the impurity makes things simpler, but if we're usually not touching the underlying mechanisms, how does it make it simpler? < 1325246495 258257 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :advanced calculus lambda < 1325246527 636889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: i've not read most of the conduit posts < 1325246559 751021 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 3344.2 whut < 1325246562 115622 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a word. < 1325246580 710328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a word it's a free number < 1325246592 962758 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH MUST REDUCE < 1325246604 459739 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I've got Nothing. < 1325246616 951690 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@numberwang 3344.2 < 1325246617 108235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1325246621 569892 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`numberwang 3344.2 < 1325246624 526003 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: numberwang: not found < 1325246629 501924 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^numberwang 3344.2 < 1325246633 887782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls from his childhood books a talking squid by the number of 1030.25
< 1325246634 894544 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, which bot is that again < 1325246639 372843 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot I believe < 1325246652 384712 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must know if 3344.2 is numberwang! < 1325246670 338463 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tias < 1325246671 94622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was named after the battle of stiklestad < 1325246674 882701 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blinks at there being two HasRef (ST s) instances
< 1325246696 605342 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, for lazy and strict < 1325246702 904436 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blinks at Sgeo's announcement of this.
< 1325246715 320333 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blinks at olsner not checking numberwang
< 1325246721 655696 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!numberwang 3344.2 < 1325246726 718647 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1325246733 85272 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be because there's no egobot < 1325246735 505804 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the relevant bot is not present_ < 1325246738 478405 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1325246741 222582 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :_:( < 1325246764 760293 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh! xfce's layout switcher forgets the layout at random intervals < 1325246810 24577 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 I recall that you were interested in giving Haskell a more extensible syntax. If you look at Perl 6 you can see that it provides a way to redefine language syntax. Perhaps you could look at this for inspiration on how this could be done in Haskell. < 1325246810 351523 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325246862 269171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's particularly expressive about the lexical syntax of comments < 1325246865 333020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks
< 1325246891 779212 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool stuff, I should learn perl6 some day < 1325246917 461289 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still in his comfy perl5 shoes.
< 1325246924 969551 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl 6 is scary and strange. < 1325246946 16838 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"comfy"? enjoy your clogs... < 1325246992 696678 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner : resident Perl hater < 1325247012 972192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION may be altogether too comfy in haskell these days
< 1325247043 240461 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you might forget that things mutate sometimes! < 1325247057 617527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA mutants < 1325247115 716349 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got thrown off by this particular bit of Python code: i = iter(ls); for x,y in itertools.izip(i,i): ... < 1325247122 996511 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is similar to zip`ap`tail < 1325247143 164419 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at first I was skeptical that it would work, thinking it would be like join zip i < 1325247154 627126 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...because I forgot iterators mutate. < 1325247292 68076 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-70-51.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325247443 756522 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-88-106.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325247524 188338 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is LC LR (hahaha acronyms) < 1325247532 279274 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LR? < 1325247532 695649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1325247536 322765 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :left recursive < 1325247540 328371 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the notation < 1325247543 111087 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :of lambda calculus < 1325247546 105214 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it left recursive? < 1325247548 409974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: LR(1)? certainly. < 1325247558 310257 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best message. < 1325247560 30460 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bessage. < 1325247573 525140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps even LL(1) < 1325247573 686817 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but I still should be able to use Parsec to parse it, yes.. < 1325247576 615913 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just have to do that thing < 1325247577 584373 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you do < 1325247580 49719 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to fix it. < 1325247583 442591 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I don't remember the name of < 1325247587 560422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: erm you don't know what LR means do you :P < 1325247599 752069 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have a very vague idea. < 1325247667 344544 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically that it can recurse before terminals... or whatever. < 1325247696 613568 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :??/ < 1325247757 505670 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :help there are a lot of topics in CS. < 1325247785 272920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LR_parser it's not an abbreviation for left recursion < 1325247796 46816 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1325247800 576144 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I meant LR as in left recursion < 1325247840 102194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: well yes you'll have the application chains, but you can use the chainl1 combinator for them < 1325247847 423273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle chainl1 < 1325247847 911467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.ParserCombinators.ReadP chainl1 :: ReadP a -> ReadP (a -> a -> a) -> ReadP a < 1325247848 68109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Parsec.Combinator chainl1 :: Stream s m t => ParsecT s u m a -> ParsecT s u m (a -> a -> a) -> ParsecT s u m a < 1325247848 68307 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec.Combinator chainl1 :: Stream s m t => ParsecT s u m a -> ParsecT s u m (a -> a -> a) -> ParsecT s u m a < 1325247864 60991 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1325247891 463750 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I've seen elliott use LR to mean left recursion therefore it is totally legit. :P < 1325247915 739934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIGHT... < 1325247918 874070 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1325247926 210863 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1325247929 976951 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is so bad. < 1325247945 143444 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it brings tears of joy and pain to my eyes. < 1325247952 182723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er was i punning, i didn't notice < 1325247974 634297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION unconscious pun
< 1325247974 957167 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you recursed right into punning. < 1325248003 170715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as long as it wasn't a freudian penis. < 1325248015 794841 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that a pun too? I'm so confused. < 1325248022 434657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1325248032 87385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that may be a matter of definition < 1325248044 770998 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see. < 1325248055 897334 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you freudian slipped in the word "freudian slip", right? < 1325248058 496821 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*phrase < 1325248065 277090 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :HSSAHAHAHA HAA < 1325248085 817511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what you are fucking about. < 1325248097 466711 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither. < 1325248144 559666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poking at the old freudian slits, are we? < 1325248262 932151 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not I. I have good oral standing. < 1325248372 80158 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1325248425 295738 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1325248445 298653 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers also supporting De Bruijn notation.
< 1325248629 67113 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O something that ehird didn't know < 1325248641 94008 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1325248645 595566 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(existence of online parsers in Haskell) < 1325248645 918902 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unpossible. < 1325248656 191761 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/nsarm/conduits_part_3_sinks/c3bm3ab < 1325248686 502256 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof that elliott isn't omniscient. < 1325248694 224288 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or that he's tricking us into thinking he is mortal) < 1325248697 287781 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees the UU thing every time he looks at the list of Hackage packages
< 1325248729 757747 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because someone decided it's so great, it doesn't fit in any categories, or something < 1325248755 556242 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I considering using GADTs for the expression tree but I don't think I'll get much benefit from it. < 1325248804 111316 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it prevents the first field of an abstraction term from being anything other than a variable term. < 1325248807 580474 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's it. < 1325248841 45071 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be fixed by... not using variable terms in the first field of abstraction terms. < 1325248857 269195 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just using strings or whatever < 1325249072 710019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _could_ just use another data or newtype definition for variables < 1325249134 227691 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :noep < 1325249136 812727 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this works fine. < 1325249163 829840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT IT IS NOT COMPLETELY TYPE-SAFE < 1325249167 733157 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though later I might add a String field to Bound so that I can write better output < 1325249170 961851 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is now < 1325249184 790277 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I switched LCAbs LCExpr LCExpr to LCAbs String LCExpr < 1325249219 347920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1325249301 870778 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325249652 448808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1325249680 92498 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-088-065-130-024.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1325249901 756082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You could argue that Donald Knuth is a mathematician." — someone in /r/math. < 1325249920 855895 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-88-106.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was Knuth again? < 1325250291 83294 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325250320 557249 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knuth wrote the art of computer programming and invented some kind of up arrow notation < 1325250328 72439 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno what else < 1325250332 659202 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also tex < 1325250338 725890 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :latex < 1325250390 120177 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325250476 948001 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will elliott start yelling at me if I start writing code with conduits? < 1325250514 120913 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325250516 132393 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki says he is a mathematician, computer scientist, programming language designer, typographer, donald knuth, writer, pioneer, academic and combinatorialist < 1325250547 738085 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone arguing that he's not a mathematician is an idiot. < 1325250557 237316 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What he does is unquestionably mathematics. < 1325250561 647521 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :donald knuth is in the category donald knuth < 1325250569 62064 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : @_@ < 1325250571 322027 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-88-106.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, he is! < 1325250575 235388 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is the Platonic essense of Donald Knuth. < 1325250582 256785 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*essence < 1325250744 330747 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-88-106.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Samoa, always on the winners' side of the international date line < 1325250775 753896 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there only one side of the international dateline? < 1325250779 700155 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*date line < 1325250835 81233 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-88-106.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you treat the world as two roughly hemispherical bodies, connected at the Greenwich median and the international date line < 1325250881 890464 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, but then you're defining which side of the international date line you're on based on a second line. < 1325250928 249256 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-88-106.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, which, when taken with the mean international date line, forms a great circle < 1325250933 129947 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-88-106.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/median/meridian/ < 1325251154 89618 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325251422 511761 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325251434 111135 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db41f5b.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325251456 227868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325251869 62215 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A35E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325252050 446239 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1325254234 784633 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-88-106.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1325255003 748102 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-88-106.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325255036 740497 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-88-106.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1325255541 945113 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1325257781 141396 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325257813 59201 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my "annoying elliott" version of my genealogy program is off to a... start < 1325257973 909969 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, hello! < 1325257986 331892 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com < 1325258106 814767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1325258426 585313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo < 1325258441 307564 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1325258492 540868 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, I meant version for the purpose of annoying elliott, not version which is for elliott who is annoyin < 1325258493 148557 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1325258818 482118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:48:49: I used to make arrow instances, then I took an arrow to the knee. < 1325258821 388800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: cease breathing < 1325258933 487335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:22:45: Is there a better way to do it without list comprehensions? < 1325258948 296987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: concatMap (maybe mzero pure) :p < 1325258968 861882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:28:08: :t concatMap maybeToList < 1325258969 18127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:28:08: forall b. [Maybe b] -> [b] < 1325258969 18331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that < 1325258977 636701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are what the list comprehension reduces to < 1325258999 382582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:55:44: oerjan: hi http://sprunge.us/FgOU < 1325259014 412681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask kallisti why TF are you doing substitution. half the point of de bruijn is that you can just carry an argument stack < 1325259014 734366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325259187 967240 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src concatMaybe < 1325259188 457606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. My pet ferret can type better than you! < 1325259189 426883 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src concatMaybes < 1325259189 912046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Have you considered trying to match wits with a rutabaga? < 1325259195 957388 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src catMaybes < 1325259196 281133 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :catMaybes ls = [x | Just x <- ls] < 1325259212 213647 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undo (\ls -> [x | Just x <- ls] < 1325259212 698376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unbalanced parentheses < 1325259215 481769 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undo (\ls -> [x | Just x <- ls]) < 1325259215 965357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ ls -> concatMap (\ a -> case a of { Just x -> [x]; _ -> []}) ls) < 1325259802 887531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:00:02: If I take what he said literally, he's wrong < 1325259803 83520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:00:11: "00:00:56: Sgeo: For one apparently you have to be in IO and use mutable variables to maintain any kind of internal state but it's ok because you're going to be in IO all the time anyway! < 1325259803 83816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:00:11: " < 1325259803 83924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:00:17: conduits work with ST < 1325259819 662339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: yes, because storing all state in STRefs is so much better. all my haskell programs live in ST and use STRefs as locals. < 1325259833 997591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and of course you can't use the ST stuff with any stream from the real world ever < 1325259949 409299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:24:51: oerjan: I've seen elliott use LR to mean left recursion therefore it is totally legit. :P < 1325259952 878005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :while hallucinating perhaps < 1325260364 707515 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1325260631 987555 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/Ayb5T.jpg < 1325260632 349586 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1325260637 444475 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at first I thought it was urine < 1325260639 395042 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then < 1325260645 4446 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized it was far worse. < 1325261537 751263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy shit, this feature request is the most mammoth thing ever. < 1325261551 480197 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what is the feature request for? < 1325261558 324392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know it's bad when you end up with bulleted lists and subheadings. < 1325261562 111698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: https://github.com/HeinrichApfelmus/reactive-banana/issues/22 < 1325261655 600355 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A35E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325262870 162535 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ar...ar...argument stack? < 1325262916 508448 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that might break my do-one-beta-reduction-at-a-time-with-no-state-inbetween model, unless I wrap the DBForm type into a type with an added stack. < 1325262974 737695 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's quite some feature request, reply, and reply to the reply < 1325263053 172233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: The term you're looking for is small-step. < 1325263177 583232 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1325263209 150370 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia: '"Pimply-faced youth" redirects here. For youths who have pimples, see Puberty.' < 1325263266 857241 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the main purpose of this, if there even was one, was to show successive beta reductions. I'm guessing this is still possible with an argument stack but I haven't really thought much on how it would work. < 1325263282 743119 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, I'm mid-going-back-to-sleep < 1325264486 938536 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've discovered how to make the world a friendlier place < 1325264510 317624 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :any time one would use the word "fuck", one uses "hug" instead < 1325264510 511099 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kill people? < 1325264520 137203 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a hugging awful idea. < 1325264521 892458 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hug, man < 1325264533 598430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go hug yourself < 1325264537 573 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hugging great < 1325264585 43855 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can just hug off, you bastard < 1325264632 649653 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I think if this idea is put into practice it would just bring down the word "hug" < 1325264651 629789 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be gay < 1325264726 790710 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no having sex with people of the same gender would be gay < 1325264769 569064 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with /only/ people of the same gender < 1325264785 36109 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :once upon a time, so would be decking the halls and making the yuletide merry < 1325264786 327664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngevd doesn't huga nyone < 1325264790 94702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anyone < 1325264790 457027 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not anymore < 1325264966 60189 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325265859 456784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hug < 1325265997 562099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't say hug in #jesus. < 1325266022 317549 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about #god? < 1325266127 790491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like #dog!!! < 1325266130 294802 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1325266132 89595 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :::P < 1325266135 82645 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :::::) < 1325266139 320999 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>:+ < 1325266193 509805 :bitc!4e83218e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.131.33.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325266309 201792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome bitc < 1325266312 901039 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitc: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1325266318 311810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if bitc is using an IRC client written in Bit-C.
< 1325266372 229322 :bitc!4e83218e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.131.33.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :) < 1325266647 384681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame! < 1325266664 535544 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what brings you to this neck of the web, bic? < 1325266666 670408 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bitc < 1325266670 268823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the future we'll buy software written in Bit-C with bitcoins and then proceed to bitch about it. < 1325266682 18756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also every word will inexplicably start with bitc. < 1325266735 681990 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitchug, that would be crazy! < 1325266780 944352 :bitc!4e83218e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.131.33.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am looking for the language with no predefined tokens at all. < 1325266783 413434 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's take a little break from math now and examine the Von Neumann construct from a philosophical/metaphysical perspective. The Von Neumann construction is amazing in the sense that it requires only 3 elements: {"0","{","}"}. 0 is ultimately connected with emptiness and nothingness, a very basic characteristic of the universe. The two other symbols, "{" and "}" are ultimately connected with the properties of consciousness, < 1325266789 269689 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :loooooooool < 1325266810 60575 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to make 0xHAM work but i couldn't < 1325266817 966164 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a sense the first step of creation is consciousness "recognizing" the vast emptiness of space. As soon as this happens, the emptiness "separates" into "something" (that which has perceived the emptiness) and the emptiness itself. As soon as we have two things, a boundary is created: The 3rd element. The sequence thus is: < 1325266823 341645 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is great. < 1325266839 834796 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from: http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/math/Naturals.html) < 1325266883 928455 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitc, remind me, what is a predefined token? < 1325266889 739824 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not good at these words < 1325266901 745986 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like chinese philosophy < 1325266919 249510 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, you're on the wrong #esoteric < 1325266941 364121 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am i < 1325266945 562671 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dun dun dunnnn < 1325267003 459575 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i click the link and see a yin yang... < 1325267011 122978 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i not surpised < 1325267032 426025 :bitc!4e83218e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.131.33.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, that is a keyword or any fixed sequence of bits with meaning associated with them before beginning to write the program. for example the = sign (which makes us all think of the same thing), the while keyword or any \" signed string literal.. < 1325267045 827677 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, one of those < 1325267047 919078 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note 7: Tao Te Ching: (tr. Mair 1990:9): "The Way (nothingness) gave birth to unity (God), Unity gave birth to duality (Firstborn), Duality gave birth to trinity, Trinity gave birth to the myriad creatures.". < 1325267071 244037 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitc, Unnecassary? < 1325267073 398771 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and note 9: Tao Te Ching, Chapter 42: "Tao begets one; one begets two; two begets three; three begets all things.". < 1325267106 215657 :bitc!4e83218e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.131.33.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, i think so < 1325267285 343769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitc: Well, if you don't want semantics, you'll have a hard time finding a language :) < 1325267303 336900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, Feather is like that. < 1325267314 145235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And for once I'm not joking when I say that...) < 1325267328 607529 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll have a hard time finding Feather < 1325267352 521254 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: i guess you're right.. wrong esoteric < 1325267356 234514 :bitc!4e83218e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.131.33.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, gotta go building the time machine.. < 1325267394 80555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitc: Forth may interest you, though. < 1325267428 686419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that Forth's initial semantics are very trivial, and language constructs are implemented by completely taking over the parser. < 1325267501 707874 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can never remember if Forth is an actual esoteric language < 1325267521 129673 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (x -> read (replicate x "1") ^ 2) [1..] < 1325267522 98291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pattern syntax in expression context: < 1325267522 254796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : x -> read (replicate x "1") ^ 2 < 1325267527 22897 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> read (replicate x "1") ^ 2) [1..] < 1325267527 993621 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Char' < 1325267528 150003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type... < 1325267542 650733 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1325267550 666803 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> read (replicate x '1') ^ 2) [1..] < 1325267551 674901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,121,12321,1234321,123454321,12345654321,1234567654321,123456787654321,12... < 1325267623 679442 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> inits [1,2,3] < 1325267624 486886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[],[1],[1,2],[1,2,3]] < 1325267670 266879 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read (replicate 11 '1') ^ 2 < 1325267671 439689 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 123456790120987654321 < 1325267703 564936 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, nice. < 1325267709 301388 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts over in the middle. < 1325267751 216172 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read (replicate 10 '1') ^ 2 < 1325267752 415672 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1234567900987654321 < 1325267764 649957 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as I thought... the 10 carrie < 1325267765 212216 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1325267814 431297 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Int -> Char < 1325267814 916513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Char chr :: Int -> Char < 1325267815 72442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Char intToDigit :: Int -> Char < 1325267815 72651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Text index :: Text -> Int -> Char < 1325267843 468826 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intToDigit 11 < 1325267844 923757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'b' < 1325267849 391078 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intToDigit 17 < 1325267850 657580 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Char.intToDigit: not a digit 17 < 1325267853 394066 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intToDigit 16 < 1325267854 773187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Char.intToDigit: not a digit 16 < 1325267856 641437 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intToDigit 15 < 1325267857 988267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'f' < 1325267899 592502 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x (read $ map intToDigit [1..x]) * 9 + x + 1 -> ) [1..] < 1325267900 600332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : Parse error in pattern < 1325267906 292392 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (read $ map intToDigit [1..x]) * 9 + x + 1 -> ) [1..] < 1325267907 301757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `)' < 1325267913 782328 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (read $ map intToDigit [1..x]) * 9 + x + 1) [1..] < 1325267914 752241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [11,111,1111,11111,111111,1111111,11111111,111111111,1111111111,*Exception:... < 1325267950 272696 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (read $ map intToDigit [0..x]) * 9 + x + 1) [0..] < 1325267951 241452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,11,111,1111,11111,111111,1111111,11111111,111111111,1111111111,*Exceptio... < 1325267994 439951 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With coin flips, I generally say "edge", as I normally don't care about the outcome, and if it lands edge it'd be awesome < 1325268057 879850 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (read . take x $ cycle ['0'..'9']) * 9 + x) [1..] < 1325268059 778275 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,11,111,1111,11111,111111,1111111,11111111,111111111,1111111111,111111110... < 1325268074 732947 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm I'm not sure how to repeat the pattern < 1325268130 807059 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (read . take x $ cycle (['0'..'9']++['9'..'0']) * 9 + x) [1..] < 1325268131 695110 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1325268136 561460 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (read . take x $ cycle (['0'..'9']++['9'..'0'])) * 9 + x) [1..] < 1325268138 238290 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,11,111,1111,11111,111111,1111111,11111111,111111111,1111111111,111111110... < 1325268175 308745 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (read . take x $ cycle (['0'..'9']++"0")) * 9 + x) [1..] < 1325268176 944011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,11,111,1111,11111,111111,1111111,11111111,111111111,1111111111,111111110... < 1325268179 699412 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, no. < 1325268215 368052 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can't? < 1325268222 408999 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with this method. < 1325268293 229352 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1234567890 * 9 < 1325268294 209992 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11111111010 < 1325268300 24742 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1234567890 * 9 + 11 < 1325268300 993374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11111111021 < 1325268307 359826 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 12345678910 * 9 + 11 < 1325268308 207094 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 111111110201 < 1325268309 379857 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325268316 563676 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1234567891 * 9 + 11 < 1325268317 533112 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11111111030 < 1325268328 785954 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 123456789- * 9 + 101 < 1325268330 821054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `*' < 1325268335 242785 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1234567890 * 9 + 101 < 1325268336 507667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11111111111 < 1325268342 454267 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1325268402 563692 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm just missing part of the formula < 1325268538 265477 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 11111111111 - (101-11) < 1325268539 396529 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11111111021 < 1325268569 624997 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 11111111111 - 101 < 1325268570 633442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11111111010 < 1325268578 410894 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (11111111111 - 101) / 9 < 1325268579 380580 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.23456789e9 < 1325268596 13000 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes, indeed < 1325268608 931305 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (11111111111 - (101-11)) / 9 < 1325268609 905996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.2345678912222223e9 < 1325268617 113260 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 1 = 1; f n = 10 * (f (n - 1)) + 1 in map f [1..] < 1325268618 209249 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,11,111,1111,11111,111111,1111111,11111111,111111111,1111111111,111111111... < 1325268636 840953 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. < 1325268640 959745 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater. < 1325268658 104029 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was never told the rules < 1325268665 908 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know the rules < 1325268671 100655 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules were to continue the above pattern. < 1325268674 877555 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1325268692 804755 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 * 9 + 2 = 11 < 1325268693 977283 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 1 = 1; f n = 10 * (f (n - 1)) + 1 in map ((^2) . f) [1..] < 1325268695 671734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,121,12321,1234321,123454321,12345654321,1234567654321,123456787654321,12... < 1325268698 101832 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 * 9 + 3 = 111 < 1325268706 771232 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :123 * 9 + 4 = 1111 < 1325268708 707841 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1325268724 617161 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1325268727 988817 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 123456789 * 9 + 9 < 1325268729 382634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1111111110 < 1325268733 336712 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 123456789 * 9 + 10 < 1325268734 658848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1111111111 < 1325268748 644462 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :123456789 * 10 + 10 < 1325268748 853082 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1234567990 * 9 + 11 < 1325268750 100466 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11111111921 < 1325268762 138355 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 123456789 * 10 + 10 < 1325268763 149060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1234567900 < 1325268765 598889 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 12345678900 * 9 + 11 < 1325268766 902714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 111111110111 < 1325268774 8932 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1234567900 * 9 + 11 < 1325268775 516152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11111111111 < 1325268797 616996 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 12345679011 * 9 + 12 < 1325268798 888590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 111111111111 < 1325268809 464986 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 123456790123 * 9 + 13 < 1325268810 518373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1111111111120 < 1325268827 220596 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 123456790122 * 9 + 12 < 1325268828 469040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1111111111110 < 1325268831 986758 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 123456790122 * 9 + 13 < 1325268833 315782 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1111111111111 < 1325268844 296619 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1234567901233 * 9 + 14 < 1325268845 471735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11111111111111 < 1325268850 178350 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, okay. < 1325268850 496499 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 12345679012344 * 9 + 15 < 1325268851 796078 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 111111111111111 < 1325268857 301122 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 123456790123455 * 9 + 16 < 1325268858 653509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1111111111111111 < 1325268879 209922 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel like coding that. :P < 1325268883 398871 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do < 1325268900 285638 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1234567890123456789000 * 9 < 1325268901 254631 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11111111011111111101000 < 1325268945 260212 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 123456789012345678900 * 9 + 19 < 1325268946 259471 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1111111101111111110119 < 1325268948 240247 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 123456789012345678900 * 9 < 1325268949 208316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1111111101111111110100 < 1325268952 179835 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325268970 898981 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1234567890123455 * 9 + 16 < 1325268971 745403 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11111111011111111 < 1325268996 156266 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh what am I doing wrong. < 1325269005 376269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 8. < 1325269008 163864 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1325269020 832310 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 8 decides to disappear for some reason < 1325269024 482797 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NO LONGER LIKE THIS DIGIT SEQUENCE < 1325269072 264102 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 0 = 1; f n = 10 * (f (n - 1)) + n in map f [0..] < 1325269073 565244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,11,112,1123,11234,112345,1123456,11234567,112345678,1123456789,112345679... < 1325269087 823147 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 12 * 9 + 3 < 1325269089 43634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 111 < 1325269097 18973 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 1 = 1; f n = 10 * (f (n - 1)) + n in map f [1..] < 1325269098 199929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,12,123,1234,12345,123456,1234567,12345678,123456789,1234567900,123456790... < 1325269121 305568 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: working with the base directly, must be nice. < 1325269123 404547 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cheater) < 1325269192 587836 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 123456789 * 8 + 9 < 1325269193 723378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 987654321 < 1325269254 811784 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see why the 8 disappears now. < 1325269313 30863 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1234567900 * 8 + 9 < 1325269314 151 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9876543209 < 1325269330 370917 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1234567890 * 8 + 9 < 1325269331 247622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9876543129 < 1325269333 158051 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = read (replicate n '1') - n `div` 9 in map f [1..] < 1325269334 471207 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,11,111,1111,11111,111111,1111111,11111111,111111110,1111111110,111111111... < 1325269355 772266 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = read (replicate n '1') - n + 1 `div` 9 in map f [1..] < 1325269357 66458 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,9,108,1107,11106,111105,1111104,11111103,111111102,1111111101,1111111110... < 1325269376 69378 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = (read (replicate n '1') - n) `div` 9 in map f [1..] < 1325269377 369561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,12,123,1234,12345,123456,1234567,12345678,123456789,1234567900,1234567... < 1325269435 722789 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the palindrome one. < 1325269482 406363 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (^2) . read . flip replicate '1' <$> [1..] < 1325269484 222876 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,121,12321,1234321,123454321,12345654321,1234567654321,123456787654321,12... < 1325269529 227101 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (^2) . read . flip replicate '1' <$> [12] < 1325269531 304392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [12345679012320987654321] < 1325269551 81335 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and once again the 8 disappears < 1325269552 899482 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you base 10 < 1325269693 3031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1325269730 493070 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi < 1325269732 955795 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (^2) . read . flip replicate '1' <$> [1..] < 1325269734 773266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,121,12321,1234321,123454321,12345654321,1234567654321,123456787654321,12... < 1325269736 874174 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you fix this so that < 1325269741 884494 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it continues being awesome < 1325269747 993909 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (^2) . read . flip replicate '1' <$> [10..] < 1325269749 820988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1234567900987654321,123456790120987654321,12345679012320987654321,12345679... < 1325269752 927703 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1325269778 354241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It should be done away with in my opinion. Do you realize how many foreigners with immunity get away with terrible crimes such as murder? It is appalling. You can bet if an american commited a crime on foreign soil they would be punished. America is just too soft on criminals domestic or otherwise." < 1325269794 179215 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing this person is shooting their mouth off about is /diplomatic immunity/. < 1325269827 837421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: X-D < 1325269835 257624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The famous policy where we invite diplomats over for killing sprees. < 1325269863 224279 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The famous policy where we consider any foreigner a diplomat and are surprised when noöne else does this. < 1325269866 696536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The car on the right is double parked. Since it has Diplomatic License Plates, the driver would not be obliged to pay any citation issued." --[[Diplomatic immunity]] < 1325269876 832528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want one of those license plates. < 1325269888 53365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cracked has an article on this. < 1325269891 484198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Illustrating how widespread this problem is that in France, between November 2003 and 2004, there were 2,590 cases of diplomatic cars caught speeding by automatic radars. The Autobahn 555 in Cologne, Germany was nicknamed the "Diplomatenrennbahn" (Diplomatic Raceway), back when Bonn was the capital of West Germany, because of the numerous diplomats that used to speed through the highway under diplomatic immunity." < 1325269892 653155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1325269895 946730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is amazing? < 1325269904 285068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Take the Libyan embassy worker in London who, in April 1984, decided to open fire at a mob of anti-Gadhafi protesters outside his embassy, fatally wounding a police officer and injuring 10 others. The police laid siege to the embassy for 11 days, at which point the government stepped in, allowed the ambassador and his staff to leave the premises -- and promptly kicked them out of the country, with a nice long fuck you t < 1325269904 446248 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o take back to Gadhafi. The countries' diplomatic relations were torn apart, but no one was ever convicted of the shootings." < 1325269920 959365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wow. < 1325269936 308540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I note that this was not a case of getting away with it due to diplomatic immunity; instead, it's just a "normal criminal proceedings weren't followed". < 1325270073 689517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : The famous policy where we invite diplomats over for killing sprees. <-- i hear vlad tepes had a penchant for this. < 1325270091 666324 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_tepes < 1325270099 120418 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG I did not realise he looked like that. < 1325270374 972902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not if you treat the world as two roughly hemispherical bodies, connected at the Greenwich median and the international date line < 1325270390 428618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggestion: get great britain to move across the international date line < 1325270482 579763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : For the record, I meant version for the purpose of annoying elliott, not version which is for elliott who is annoyin <-- yeah those are easy to confuse < 1325270511 873676 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in the Western hemisphere, so I'd end up a day ahead < 1325270518 543991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:26:58: 09:48:49: I used to make arrow instances, then I took an arrow to the knee. < 1325270521 775344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:27:01: kallisti: cease breathing < 1325270536 317134 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to breath, but then I took an arrow to the lung < 1325270551 871250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel so left out, i only get to know this meme _after_ everyone is fed up with it. < 1325270557 741603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1325270582 997703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey are you laughing at me or Ngevd, this is important < 1325270598 260531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also *breathe < 1325270606 831322 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah < 1325270629 823644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you < 1325270633 502159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1325270635 479340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngevd am dum < 1325270640 21578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does a little victory dance
< 1325270685 732766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it _is_ possible everyone was fed up with this meme from its birth < 1325270697 654375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fsvo everyone < 1325270747 449400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be good at haskell, but then i took an arrow to m'nads < 1325270771 893601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has set mode +o elliott
< 1325270776 578052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has set mode +b oerjan*!*@*
< 1325270784 972189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has kicked oerjan (I hate you and everything you stand for.)
< 1325270807 606562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why thank you, i'll be here all week except when my router croaks < 1325270855 295039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like that wossname in h2g2 where the wossname body part killed the wossname poet. Phantom_Hoover will remember. < 1325270876 268912 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Accidents.png < 1325270895 14728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes the second worst poet in the universe < 1325270991 772450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (maxBound - minBound) < 1325270992 876688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints: < 1325270993 33017 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `GHC.Num.Num a' < 1325270993 33217 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ari... < 1325271005 949778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (maxBound - minBound) :: Int < 1325271006 918452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1 < 1325271011 280526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1325271013 818758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1325271015 433859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (maxBound - minBound) :: Word < 1325271016 696352 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18446744073709551615 < 1325271021 176666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Word < 1325271022 147722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18446744073709551615 < 1325271031 652010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, ofc < 1325271032 298095 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I only used it because I felt the punniness warranted it. < 1325271033 429486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bu t hmm < 1325271037 24063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (maxBound - minBound) :: Int8 < 1325271037 831849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1 < 1325271039 773568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> minBound :: Int8 < 1325271040 784512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -128 < 1325271041 962143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Int8 < 1325271042 980620 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 127 < 1325271060 916411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 127 - (-128) < 1325271061 966157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 255 < 1325271073 185229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1325271087 524852 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here elliott learns about one's complement. < 1325271090 274429 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ahems.
< 1325271137 85825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1325271223 420315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chirp* < 1325271233 296787 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325271259 563904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you might want to check your terminology. < 1325271266 652401 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could someone explain Monads? < 1325271273 392014 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why? < 1325271274 889352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1325271276 622718 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to learn them next < 1325271293 645968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it's not _one's_ complement < 1325271293 801935 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: m >>= f = join (fmap f m) < 1325271294 129962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Now you broke him. < 1325271301 187839 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there that's monads. < 1325271316 712503 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1325271353 668269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: well monads are a bit like vestlandslefse < 1325271386 493479 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well yes, it's not. I guess two's complement would have made more sense, but I was implying that one's complement is what elliott seemed to expect. < 1325271396 820254 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I... did that wrong. :P < 1325271416 724018 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: there, do you get monads now> < 1325271424 697307 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not... really < 1325271434 374436 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. < 1325271467 475812 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :another way to think about it would be: < 1325271470 222715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((-128) + 127) / 2 < 1325271471 55660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -0.5 < 1325271475 233975 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :join m = m >>= id < 1325271492 78375 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's probably not the direction you want to go. < 1325271496 694387 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when starting out. < 1325271505 403372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: you have learn you a haskell, right? < 1325271506 384812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad < 1325271509 692393 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1325271510 703038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it explains monads < 1325271523 939744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't try to understand them before reading the previous chapters, it's just a waste of time since your knowledge won't be up to it yet < 1325271528 697430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you do get there they'll be trivial < 1325271545 425069 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1325271549 233685 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the sound of the voice my brain assigns oerjan < 1325271583 467323 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: think of monads as burritos < 1325271596 806210 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a burrito again? < 1325271602 929488 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wat < 1325271606 807276 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do.. < 1325271607 618668 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are < 1325271625 201925 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do british people not have burritos? < 1325271639 102919 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We probably do, but Hexham's pretty damn remote < 1325271651 351272 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nearest Mexican restaurant is 21 miles away < 1325271682 514661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, think of monads as haggis < 1325271693 187563 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what haggis is < 1325271697 704617 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1325271698 836591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolling people with joke monad explanations is not really helpful if they don't already know what a monad is. < 1325271711 158286 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not hurtful either. < 1325271714 513517 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nearest Scottish restaurant is right here < 1325271716 410272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it is. < 1325271719 662912 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm enjoying this < 1325271720 772373 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if they're stupid. < 1325271737 233430 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll try to apply their logic of burritos to monads. < 1325271738 848817 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something. < 1325271754 275286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: awesome, that gives me one (1) free card to call you stupid the next time you make a mistake < 1325271757 19365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, think of monads as haggis in a spacesuit in the middle of the ocean < 1325271761 720026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what now oerjan < 1325271769 477448 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you need anymore of those cards? < 1325271775 92515 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you have enough. < 1325271776 62368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan confiscated them < 1325271790 295880 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Hexham isn't... remote < 1325271796 714286 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a substantial population < 1325271810 674256 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :even my town has a mexican restaurant. YOUR COUNTRY IS WRONG. < 1325271811 182666 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, it's remote in terms of Mexican restaurants < 1325271812 489656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham is in the texan desert < 1325271825 772146 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have at least two Italian restaurants < 1325271831 979719 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have one I think < 1325271836 661888 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a pizza place, if that counts (it doesn't) < 1325271838 831408 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a Greek restaurant < 1325271842 41404 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1325271843 11985 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, Hexham definitely isn't remote. < 1325271844 314545 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a French restaurant < 1325271846 653317 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1325271857 598635 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :French people have food? why haven't we Americanized it yet. < 1325271863 330537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a Mexican place in the similarly sized "city" in Finland I know of. < 1325271871 140376 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are sad statements < 1325271872 981252 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad cities. < 1325271894 843092 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do Spanish people not eat burritos? < 1325271899 636994 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1325271900 767576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok, think of monads as haggis < 1325271913 624218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're horrible, but everyone pretends to like them to save face? < 1325271951 713365 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys are so easily traumatized by programming concepts. There's a lot of "horrible" and "bad" things, apparently. < 1325271961 312880 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though... monads aren't really all that horrible? < 1325271965 182459 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goo.gl/lMdak < 1325271982 237093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is their main "restaurant": http://www.tinatahti.fi/index.php?pinc=3 -- yes, it's the "Photos" page, and it's empty. < 1325271989 599354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Ngevd for using url shorteners -----###
< 1325271997 146499 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bloodly long URL! < 1325272000 196511 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: dinner < 1325272034 215381 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's wrong with URL shorteners? < 1325272054 374414 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Ngevd http://g.co/maps/5h4nd < 1325272058 31474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: precisely! < 1325272079 159126 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lol < 1325272082 725254 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy bastards < 1325272083 530968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you cannot easily see where they lead < 1325272104 722751 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry next time I'll paste http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=restaurant+in+hexham&aq=&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=14.745606,43.286133&vpsrc=0&ie=UTF8&start=0&hq=restaurant&hnear=Hexham,+Northumberland,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16 < 1325272113 395343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like, less than 512 characters. < 1325272116 981940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not long by any means. < 1325272134 687542 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325272136 642011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325272136 798173 :bitc!4e83218e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.131.33.142 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1325272137 13765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : kallisti: you cannot easily see where they lead < 1325272142 106559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're fragile. although i admit goo.gl will probably not die any time soon < 1325272170 975984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :goo.gl follows the "+ convetion" of put-a-+-at-the-end-and-you'll-get-a-page-with-the-expansion, but that's one extra step to take. < 1325272173 155917 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@71-210-150-147.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1325272200 642398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a convention? < 1325272217 216790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think one of the others did it too. < 1325272270 202993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit.ly, at least. < 1325272437 900645 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: have you ever ate Mexican food? < 1325272441 829752 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this like < 1325272447 438092 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thing that you do. < 1325272450 218868 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes. < 1325272497 315529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's quite many Mexican places *here*, just not in the comparable-to-Hexham-maybe-except-in-#esoteric-ness-and-many-other-things-I-guess place. < 1325272498 834855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: More like BIT TOO LIBYAN FOR ME. < 1325272530 771768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do run j.mp too; though maybe that's BIT TOO NORTHERN MARIANA ISLANDS FOR YOU. < 1325272544 505583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, precisely. < 1325272559 570287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *JUST TOO < 1325272569 745910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I sort of got that too late. < 1325272592 200210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should outlaw URL shorteners. < 1325272636 580534 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"comparable-to-Hexham-maybe-except-in-#esoteric-ness-and-many-other-things-I-guess" < 1325272639 502924 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what? < 1325272683 139957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean it's got about as many people in it, but I don't think there's anyone doing #esoteric from there, while from Hexham we've got, what, hundreds of guys? < 1325272690 61992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And gals. < 1325272703 739663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess it's a bit colder? < 1325272711 543885 :xandy|!~xandy@static.75.47.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325272711 544028 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325272711 699664 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325272711 699776 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325272721 585653 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-234-37.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1325272730 234407 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what does that have to do with Mexican restaurants and eating at them.. < 1325272740 476985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: To quote Italian physicist Noam Chomsky, "damn it feels good to be a gangsta". < 1325272760 184727 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: .... < 1325272765 859771 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325272772 905128 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-234-37.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1325272778 194256 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot the rest of that quote < 1325272798 255015 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A real gangsta-ass nigga plays his cards right" < 1325272858 314253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: " I don't think there's a Mexican place in the similarly sized "city" in Finland I know of." See, just because they don't have Mexican restaurants doesn't mean what passes for civilization around here wouldn't have them. < 1325272881 144406 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325272884 149194 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1325272905 255123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The interesting thing is that that place is actually Hexham. < 1325272913 660268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Finland is topologically grafted to the UK. < 1325272918 624183 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1325272918 781466 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1325272918 783233 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-150-147.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325272918 783327 :xandy|!~xandy@static.75.47.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1325272918 783379 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1325272918 783428 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1325272918 783476 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1325272931 770850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever anyone ends up in a really cold place, they just assume they've wandered into Scotland. < 1325272934 259950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ask Phantom_Hoover.) < 1325272939 986405 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325272952 601813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As Scotland is uninhabitably bitter and ugly, they immediately turn round. < 1325272999 706761 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-234-37.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325272999 863077 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325272999 863108 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325272999 863137 :jix!~jix@dronf.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325273000 19388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325273000 19546 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325273000 19701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325273000 178374 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325273000 178507 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325273000 178772 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325273000 497132 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325273000 497288 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325273000 497510 :SimonRC_!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1325273047 205679 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-234-37.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1325273047 362214 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1325273047 362344 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325273047 362422 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1325273047 362497 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1325273047 362569 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325273047 362680 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1325273047 362753 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325273047 362826 :jix!~jix@dronf.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325273047 362898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1325273047 362968 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325273047 363042 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1325273047 363112 :SimonRC_!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1325273071 373770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1325273072 382776 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1325273076 576870 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sobs
< 1325273114 334030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's actually just 0°C in Lieksa right now. But this has been a weird crazy-mild early-winter in Finland so far. Last November was in the top three warmest Novembers in the last 50 years. < 1325273117 340791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:22:11: Whenever anyone ends up in a really cold place, they just assume they've wandered into Scotland. < 1325273134 648363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, since it hasn't been particularly cold here for about a year. < 1325273169 919101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the September-November period was the warmest since 1938. < 1325273221 552933 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-234-37.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 257 seconds < 1325273268 65629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he says, from inside his insulated Scottish space suit. < 1325273274 404988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're made out of cardboard.) < 1325273289 54368 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because the annual high pressure front in Siberia which means that the Gulf of Mexico doesn't stop giving the UK heat hasn't developed < 1325273289 539445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1325273311 601843 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Ayup, this is a quit message. < 1325273327 463235 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-234-37.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1325273471 707788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally the place looks like this: http://www.vastavalo.fi/albums/userpics/14685/normal_P1167142.jpg (Okay, not all of it; but the national park there is a popular spot for photos in winter-themed Christmas cards.) < 1325273541 820996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's prettey. < 1325273549 125805 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmmm < 1325273555 928083 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...my car windshield gets a little frosty here. < 1325273557 434173 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :most winters. < 1325273590 766141 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it even snows! < 1325273623 345560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koli_National_Park -- I'm actually a bit surprised the Wikipedia article doesn't have a winter picture, I think it's an equally iconic sight. < 1325273643 844402 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink F[55] -> C < 1325273655 273737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Who keeps putting all these panoramic pictures in every Wikipedia article of a place ever?) < 1325273655 436310 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :12.77777777777777778 < 1325273665 618010 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :current temp according to google < 1325273720 321320 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink C[4] -> F < 1325273731 724537 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :39.2 < 1325273738 253779 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto < 1325273921 415395 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: stop having a somewhat reasonable highway system. < 1325273935 429106 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Map_of_Finland-en.svg < 1325273980 289265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "1st class roads", at least up north, might not quite be what you'd call "highways". < 1325274021 780870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www2.liikennevirasto.fi/alk/kelikamerat/kamera-C1454101.html -- do you call this a highway? < 1325274074 874930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's the red-yellow road from Map_of_Finland-en.svg near the "Inari" place up there in the north.) < 1325274076 817274 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone actually live in north Norway? < 1325274122 653729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, some people do. < 1325274131 759574 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's not too different from state highways near rural areas where I live. < 1325274135 852508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka "most of my family") < 1325274147 953728 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT NOBODY ELSE < 1325274168 274497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honningsv%C3%A5g -- 2367 family members of oerjan. < 1325274173 990771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, I think Assassin's Creed Revelations get repetitive after a while. It was fun for a few hours once I got the hang of the controls. < 1325274184 847950 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Henxe "Johansenland" < 1325274199 27423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am currently 132.387097 times better than kallisti and 195.428571 times better than Ngevd. < 1325274204 195279 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what does "Honningsvåg" mean? < 1325274205 648544 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's a common complaint of the series, actually. Especially with the first game. < 1325274215 207828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, something wave or something scale? < 1325274215 532716 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, define "better" < 1325274237 898793 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, hm < 1325274244 308992 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm very negative on the megafonzie scale < 1325274251 15626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i dunno, that's etymology < 1325274258 423946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: er wait < 1325274273 887645 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I always found it fun to play. But I never owned it I just played it occasionally on other people's consoles. < 1325274287 126343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :våg means, er, damn what's the english word < 1325274293 16948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vagina < 1325274293 173643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, it just lack variation. Parkour sure looks amazing but if it is just basically hold right-click w and space and tap shift every now and again... < 1325274294 471925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1325274302 829913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wave? scale? < 1325274305 212074 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the second game had quite a bit more variety than the first, I think. I especially enjoyed the "assassin's tombs" which were basically especially difficult platformer-puzzles. < 1325274314 347009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that is what våg means in Swedish < 1325274346 543297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: neither, those are bølge and vekt < 1325274351 407220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1325274359 133498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so what is weight then? < 1325274366 733504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh it _can_ mean wave < 1325274370 935362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1325274373 727713 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I could see the slightly more cumbersome PC controls becoming monotonous. < 1325274375 221606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: vekt is < 1325274394 948326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, as well as scale? < 1325274401 493337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: We just recently reserved one of these things ->http://www.rorbuer.no/en <- for three nights near next Easter. < 1325274419 338750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but the relevant meaning for place names is "bay" < 1325274430 249557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, not sure I'm such a fan of platformer puzzles. Especially if they are in the dark. I had problems with that thing in a lighthouse in this game due to not being able to see clearly wtf was going on. < 1325274432 27516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, honey bay < 1325274450 811455 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, like I couldn't see the dark grey ledge against the dark grey stone < 1325274458 483818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I couldn't figure out where to jump < 1325274472 999774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw i don't know that any of my family lives as far north as finnmark) < 1325274479 195204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1325274487 227809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, which would be vik in Swedish < 1325274487 711890 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in the second game it was somewhat challenging to maintain a steady pass through the city without falling. < 1325274501 541954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325274517 793777 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno I enjoyed it. But I didn't play it for hours. < 1325274519 921804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, also the city control mini game is just boring < 1325274525 647879 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what that is. < 1325274527 200952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you end up needing that income < 1325274528 173998 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be new. < 1325274539 695746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, you never played this incarnation? < 1325274548 983781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression you had < 1325274549 791259 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1325274554 38224 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played the second game < 1325274558 169957 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a little of the first. < 1325274579 863397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes vik and bukt are other words for it, våg is i think typically northern norwegian < 1325274593 102934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, basically you can send assassin's out to other cities around the Mediterranean to level up and gain influence over the city (giving you income from said city) < 1325274614 617447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, as well as scale? <-- and yes. < 1325274619 744129 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, isn't bukt basically a less "sharp" vik? < 1325274640 344023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Swedish I think it is < 1325274685 659974 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh hm apparently they changed the combat system quite a bit in the third game. < 1325274688 405936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is "honning" then? I hope that is the Norwegian word for "honey" because that is what I first thought when I saw it "honey wave" XD < 1325274699 148143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is honung in Swedish) < 1325274716 462249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, I see. Can't compare it to previous incarnations < 1325274721 186734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, how do they differ? < 1325274758 306861 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :The combat system has been modified. Striking first and offensive actions are more deadly in Brotherhood than previous games where counter-attacks were the most efficient. Before, this made the player wait until the AI struck, which slowed down the pace of fighting. The AI in this game is thus more aggressive and enemies can attack simultaneously. < 1325274776 594904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325274776 757161 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : To dispatch them, Ezio can use melee and ranged weapons at the same time, as well as introducing the hidden pistol in combat. After killing one enemy the player can start an execution streak to dispatch multiple enemies quickly. < 1325274797 136828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I noticed those streaks < 1325274806 546928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I can't say I'm good at them < 1325274809 905454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, isn't bukt basically a less "sharp" vik? <-- dunno < 1325274815 439366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never been good at combo-based combat < 1325274871 619656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes honning means honey although it feels strange for that to be prevalent that far north... < 1325274874 541940 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recently played Batman: Arkham City which is basically all combo based < 1325274878 447309 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's incredibly easy though < 1325274889 647003 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can get 50x combos consistently
< 1325274891 497951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so possibly it's a distortion of something else < 1325274894 607936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, anyway there was a level where you had to freerun above water to race a boat below you with templars in it to the end. It was tricky until I figured out I basically had to hold right mouse, space and forward, and tap shift a few time to use the hookblade. Oh and steer a bit with the mouse to change the camera angle < 1325274907 460433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, maybe you are just good at that? < 1325274923 366002 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the combo combat made me decide to not play that game < 1325274942 517488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you mean it is too cold for honey up there? < 1325274950 569684 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325274957 717828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: finnmark is more well-known for mosquitos than bees :P < 1325274960 952816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1325274992 496541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, iirc much of finnmark is genuinely arctic climate < 1325274996 667510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1325275004 133332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where is this, wikipedia has no map < 1325275008 706954 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that sounds annoying, I'm bad with PC controls on games like that. < 1325275023 952848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, hm? < 1325275027 389034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, which part? < 1325275057 614676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, anyway I'm bad with gamepads. I used them for a handful of hours in my entire life < 1325275071 185580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is why I'm bad at them probably) < 1325275079 202098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can manage an snes pad though XD < 1325275149 21829 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it looks to me like Revelations didn't really improve much on the gameplay. < 1325275157 398069 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is Finnmark a real place. < 1325275158 44811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325275159 859564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://maps.google.no/maps?hl=no&safe=off&q=honningsv%C3%A5g&gs_upl=719484l722234l7l723609l11l6l0l2l2l1l656l2219l2-2.3.0.1l8l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1074&bih=624&wrapid=tlif132526983959310&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x45c9a941d0d2fa49:0xbda760a333169846,Honningsv%C3%A5g&gl=no&ei=ihf-Ts3QMM2q-Abyi7HKAQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=2&ved=0CD0Q8gEwAQ < 1325275160 21226 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas AC to AC2 to Brotherhood were all improvements in gameplay. < 1325275167 701708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently
< 1325275173 237947 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just a humorous combination of Finland and Denmark. < 1325275179 133461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, "Den här anslutningen är inte tillförlitlig" lol < 1325275187 165268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what? < 1325275211 490690 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the certificate is not for google.no according to my browser. Just for google.com, google.co.uk and a shitload of other ones < 1325275213 472309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1325275223 495316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i got no complaint < 1325275226 939255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1325275228 595244 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: still AC is an awesome series. The first game was pretty much groundbreaking. < 1325275236 257868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, well sure < 1325275243 130378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, I'm not saying it wasn't < 1325275247 973906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but then it's not https < 1325275251 359498 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: YES YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE < 1325275256 705568 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1325275257 871104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wtf why did I get https < 1325275269 714508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it redirects me to https? < 1325275300 818160 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a number of new features have been attempted to make Revelations feel new and different from its predecessors. In that quest for broader variety and a unique identity from the earlier games, Revelations makes some missteps that are hard to ignore. However, the game offers more of what has been great about the franchise, and that should be enough to bring most fans to the table, even if it a poor starting point for new play < 1325275310 946652 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you should probably really play the old games < 1325275314 106881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah up there < 1325275322 526742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, hm < 1325275336 360035 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: though playing Revelations may have spoiled you already. :P < 1325275338 837089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wait, is Finnmark a real place. <-- yes it's norway's northernmost mainland county < 1325275344 614080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, possibly < 1325275344 779466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1325275353 606744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why are you surprised? < 1325275358 31684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the word odd to you? < 1325275358 518143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I was surprised too. < 1325275371 870875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the morphemes are the same as in finland and denmark, i think < 1325275373 485594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if I was going to make up a fake Scandinavian country, it would probably be called Finnmark. < 1325275378 864119 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnmark ... ? < 1325275394 553788 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PiRSquared17, the bastard child of Finland and Denmark. < 1325275397 402227 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in Norway. < 1325275398 48765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1325275422 450065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of the wrong direction, considering Denmark. < 1325275435 97193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what about Lappland? That is a Swedish county. (fizzie: I believe it is a Finnish county too?) < 1325275441 434741 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325275455 151577 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'd recommend AC2 and Brotherhood at least. < 1325275484 734458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnmark should be somewhere in South-Sweden. < 1325275490 432188 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never played AC1 < 1325275498 638580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or is that where Denland is?) < 1325275506 754192 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played Assassin's Creed: Altair's Chronicles < 1325275515 77371 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For DS < 1325275515 724013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: heh i recall the yafgc comic seemed to have wanted a fake viking country and called it nordland, which is _another_ of our counties. the one where most of my family lives, btw < 1325275529 584629 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325275533 20731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One for the nuke list? < 1325275537 678354 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1325275542 487669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO COMMENT < 1325275579 728146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new klist. < 1325275604 221476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: We abolished counties at the end of 2009, but yes, we had a Lappland (Lappi in Finnish). < 1325275605 997929 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, DS? Sounds horrible < 1325275621 5653 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I really think they should have stopped focusing on Ezio and maybe added a third character. < 1325275628 205479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: finnmark is both the largest and (one of?) the least populated counties, something like alaska is for the us i think < 1325275628 362286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I assume you still have län? < 1325275628 853069 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, besides Desmond. < 1325275642 239157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, possibly < 1325275673 438543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was assuming län to be the closest representative of English 'county'; those are exactly what we no longer have. < 1325275735 486233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You *destroyed Lapland*? < 1325275749 597373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, Germans had already burned it... < 1325275753 977055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, eh, we have län and landskap < 1325275764 809618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :landskap no longer fills any official function < 1325275802 360226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I think there might still be a heraldic symbol or such per landskap. Anyway that is the old old old system. < 1325275812 60837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what do you have instead of län then? < 1325275821 556140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wait the germans burned lapland? they also burned finnmark. < 1325275876 951308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :curse those bastards < 1325275878 445815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's a bit of what they do. This was the time when we no longer were such good friends any more, and told them to go away. < 1325275899 736653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what the most elegantest pure memo table for rationals are
< 1325275905 594391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers scaring oerjan away by pinging him after saying that.
< 1325275916 446774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote fizzie: wait the germans burned lapland? they also burned finnmark. oerjan: It's a bit of what they do. This was the time when we no longer were such good friends any more, and told them to go away. < 1325275920 39077 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :787) fizzie: wait the germans burned lapland? they also burned finnmark. oerjan: It's a bit of what they do. This was the time when we no longer were such good friends any more, and told them to go away. < 1325275927 90029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is some neighbour shooting fireworks atm.... Come on that is for tomorrow... < 1325275950 62174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that continued fraction tree thing? < 1325275953 55528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Arcane Sentiment may be dead :( < 1325275963 523487 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Scots burnt Hexham < 1325275964 168760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, stern-brocot? < 1325275970 347437 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did the Vikings < 1325275972 206656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was it < 1325275974 306774 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Scots < 1325275974 831129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: We had a big reorganization of the "län" structure in 1997, in which several were merged to go from 12 to 6; and since 2010 those went away too. Now they just have six "aluehallintovirasto", "regionförvaltningsverk", which I guess do some of the same things. < 1325275977 295035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's a good idea! thanks < 1325275983 87861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm wikipedia translates landskap with province and län with county it seems. < 1325275991 768737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : why is some neighbour shooting fireworks atm.... Come on that is for tomorrow... < 1325275995 684890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Germans are moving in. < 1325276001 861145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh crap < 1325276002 512493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden had it too easy last time. < 1325276014 542844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh it's as simple as just Rational -> a = (a, Rational -> a, Rational -> a) < 1325276016 480891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1325276032 683433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I just asked them if they were german. They said nein, should I trust them? < 1325276059 257378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, speaking of other strangly named provinces: Medelpad < 1325276073 965758 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one always sounded odd to me, as a Swede < 1325276078 96366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: otoh the actual function for (Rational -> a) -> memoised form is probably ugly :( < 1325276085 766566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: metapod < 1325276103 834984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1325276124 566022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it seems landskap were replaced with län in 1634 < 1325276140 479097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet people still refer to the landskap when they say where they are from and such < 1325276205 104813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also the plural of a Swedish word in an English sentence ends up awkward, so I skipped that there) < 1325276218 916095 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I guess the hookblade probably makes it easier to traverse the city. < 1325276234 538576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, somewhat, It gives you a bit of extra reach. Not that much really < 1325276250 829097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: UNLSES I'M MISSING SOME GREAT INSIGHT COUGH COUGH < 1325276254 218701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, especially useful when scaling towers and such in high profile mode. < 1325276256 800981 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you start the game being able to jump upward while climbing? < 1325276273 699002 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, eh you get the hookblade like 4 missions into the game or so < 1325276277 816463 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not a thing you could do in the first game, and you could only do it in AC2 after learning it from someone. < 1325276281 464345 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325276284 533011 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no I think this is different. < 1325276287 683675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, and I don't think you can do that < 1325276288 168979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well you'd have to construct the stern-brocot tree and annotate each node with its corresponding a, no? < 1325276297 694838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, you kind of can do it with the hookblade though < 1325276303 569256 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: really? it would kind of make sense assuming linear continuity between sequels. < 1325276316 163245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, well maybe you can. I usually always use the hookblade when scaling < 1325276325 188786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is automatic if you have it equipped < 1325276336 633451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I prefer that as a weapon anyway (compared to the sword) < 1325276383 921612 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite weapon is unarmed. :) < 1325276394 890698 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in AC2 anyway < 1325276400 21039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works for beating up people but not for killing them? < 1325276422 631404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could probably annotate it with the rational itself and apply fmap for trees < 1325276439 377132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well yes but usually there's a more direct way of doing it... i.e. memo f = Tree (f 1) (memo (f . g)) (memo (f . h)) < 1325276444 839467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just not smart enough to figure out what g and h are :P < 1325276446 617039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, also initial starting-game cut scene sucked. It was so blatantly not using the in-game engine. < 1325276475 944654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, I was obviously ray traced, or possibly photon mapped. And used much more high def models < 1325276489 423223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm oh. well iirc the subtrees are parametrized by the bounding rationals at each end, aren't they? < 1325276498 619645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I despise games doing that. Thankfully all the remaining cut scenes are with the in game engine < 1325276500 598900 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least so far < 1325276515 89386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-inf and inf for the large one, that needs some special handling < 1325276538 2368 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so you're complaining that it was.... too high definition? < 1325276556 859159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, I'm complaining that it wasn't the same definition as the rest of the game! < 1325276563 79360 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. < 1325276563 414033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well you just need a map from the rationals to the rationals on the left and the rationals on the right of the tree < 1325276570 378943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from the top) < 1325276573 649090 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, besides it was upscaled on my monitor < 1325276589 855781 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: apparently you learn the climb leap in Brotherhood as well. even though Ezio learns it in AC2. weird. < 1325276592 523266 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DB75.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325276594 340460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Based on the interwebs, the Germans burned your place while on their way out of the Finnish Lapland, after having burned it too. And it was the same Lothar Rendulic guy. < 1325276597 409613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, heh < 1325276647 773714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He seems to have been really keen on the burning. < 1325276663 712823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, also I would love to see a photon mapped game :P < 1325276673 987561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : kallisti, also initial starting-game cut scene sucked. It was so blatantly not using the in-game engine. < 1325276674 308389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : kallisti, I was obviously ray traced, or possibly photon mapped. And used much more high def models I despise games doing that. Thankfully all the remaining cut scenes are with the in game engine < 1325276687 686819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm well so we need a g such that g(-inf) = -inf, g(inf) = 0, g((a+b)/(c+d)) = (g a + g b)/(g c + g d), does that exist... < 1325276689 218489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have really outdone yourself, you know. < 1325276697 861690 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325276708 566204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you realise -inf \not\in \mathbb{R} and so you don't have to handle it in g :P < 1325276711 420097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc that (a+b)/(c+d) is the combining function for those trees < 1325276713 641754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you keep to your shiny rocks I keep to my immersion breaking cut-scenes. < 1325276742 686636 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I take it your not a fan of the Final Fantasy series? < 1325276745 110473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you realise the shiny rock thing was mocking you < 1325276747 249390 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Starcraft. < 1325276750 935638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well it's mathematically simplest to find g that way, i suspect < 1325276756 465958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, I was fine with the one I played. Which was for SNES. < 1325276756 992435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fair enough :P < 1325276759 92245 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though starcraft 2 does have some in-engine cutscenes. < 1325276762 323769 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, they were mocking dumb prevailing HD trends. < 1325276768 622591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, and I never played starcraft < 1325276777 345925 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as making all the rocks pearlescent to show off how good your lighting engine is. < 1325276785 705575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i mean you talking about shiny rocks after Vorpal complained < 1325276788 781701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1325276790 598756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aii is so hd you guys < 1325276790 921879 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1325276791 245498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hd < 1325276808 167776 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it infinity d. < 1325276829 204937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, but really I can accept most sort of graphical qualities as long as it is consistent within the game. < 1325276847 286880 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: based on things I'm reading it seems that the climbing in Revelations is significantly less interesting because it requires fewer buttons. < 1325276862 803361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: y < 1325276878 975277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: -vorp "i didnt play ac1 because i wanted top gfx qual" vorp < 1325276884 181785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, that is one reason I despise Rage. (Apart from the mediocre gameplay that is). Things like the skydome and the weapon you hold are superb. Things like the fence right next to you is really really low-def < 1325276895 626876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, hm okay < 1325276903 191447 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for example to jump while climbing you have to press jump and then grab to grab the ledge above. < 1325276903 714868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, at the time yes. < 1325276910 726778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I might play ac1 later on *shurg* < 1325276915 696625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what I feel like < 1325276923 565364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, HOW THE HELL CAN YOU PLAY MINECRAFT < 1325276933 91869 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you use one of those ghastly photorealism packs? < 1325276934 99223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that should be answered above < 1325276944 984664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh food -> < 1325276961 102990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1325276962 395548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So paintings scour at the very core of your being, because they are of a different resolution to everything else? < 1325276963 524785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: To have FMVs was sort of a selling point for games at one point, after distribution media (CD) made that possible. < 1325276965 624218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote flamewar < 1325276969 57841 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :324) [After a long monologue] i think i have to escape this heated discussion before it becomes a flamewar < 1325276975 636708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, from what I seen shift is always drop while climbing (and grab while jumping and such) < 1325276986 687229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, FMV? < 1325277001 10890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "A Full motion video (FMV) is a video game narration technique that relies upon pre-recorded video files (rather than sprites, vectors, or 3D models) to display action in the game. While many games feature FMVs as a way to present information during cutscenes, games that are primarily presented through FMVs are referred to as full-motion video games or interactive movies." < 1325277022 982373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FMV = Fuck Mr. Vorpal < 1325277031 686798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :science(tm) < 1325277035 221454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :science facts(C)(R) < 1325277039 194715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :science(tm) facts(C)(R) < 1325277045 899677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway iirc the nwn1 movies between the chapters were okay because they used a completely different art style. They showed stuff like grey scale silhouettes, or maps. < 1325277046 224565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(science(tm) facts(C)(R))(SM) < 1325277058 647317 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1325277066 605793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok maybe i'll just do the construct the tree thing :P < 1325277072 183738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1325277082 441322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not a fan of those indeed < 1325277090 424011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had movies? I don't recall those at all. (Not that I'm disputing the fact.) < 1325277103 314713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not on linux < 1325277119 503976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there was .txt with the narration from the movies somewhere iirc < 1325277129 32933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they couldn't license the codec for linux < 1325277133 681599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can watch them with mplayer < 1325277146 570779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc they are .bik files or something. It works with some mplayer installations < 1325277153 122183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like on my desktop but not on my laptop < 1325277166 126970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The modern Sonic games I think all have pre-rendered cutscenes. < 1325277174 867871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1325277191 708195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait why, as far as I remember Sonic is not aiming for a realistic look /anyway/ < 1325277222 721340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not *realistic*, just more glitzy than the in-game 3D. Better water reflections and so on. < 1325277229 21002 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1325277246 789948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this tends to be pointless anyway due to compression artifacts and upscaling < 1325277247 637984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is bik bink < 1325277248 323574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1325277258 2844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't know what bink is < 1325277265 70217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Chrono Trigger's PSX version has "anime"-style animated cutscenes, incidentally. < 1325277267 877585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone < 1325277268 724184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember < 1325277269 693001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOONSTRUCK < 1325277273 288050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if nobody remembers < 1325277276 399071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im severing all our friendships < 1325277277 255183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I played that game on snes < 1325277285 268172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the name sounds familiar < 1325277296 132429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that had FMV up the wazoo :P < 1325277304 456145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't think I ever played it < 1325277309 645245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just heard the name somewhere < 1325277314 413824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1325277327 789917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well wp says it is a point and click < 1325277346 273624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah I never played it < 1325277367 519706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I played it on an emulator. :p But anyway, the PSX version is pretty close to identical (no graphical upgrades or anything there; some random bonus features) except for the "anime cut scenes created by original character designer Akira Toriyama's Bird Studio and animated by Toei Animation". < 1325277387 322782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1325277399 433953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think the DS port includes the cutscenes too. < 1325277411 168813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think I saw a youtube video of the cut scene where Ayla (sp?) was introduced. < 1325277429 363690 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I went like, "really, that much bare skin" < 1325277434 95558 :kallisti!~eris@h140.11.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325277434 419266 :kallisti!~eris@h140.11.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1325277434 575971 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1325277466 904882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, you know, there's quite a lot of skin in http://www.videogamesprites.net/ChronoTrigger/Party/Ayla/ too. < 1325277478 311860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, presumably I didn't realise how much there was from the upscaled smoothed sprite < 1325277482 363139 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what wait codu is still down? < 1325277489 356408 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this explains why the logs are this checksum stuff. < 1325277493 230562 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu is down? < 1325277502 214563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Access to the webpage was denied < 1325277502 374901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is likely that the server hosting the webpage has been overloaded or encountered an error. In order to avoid causing too much traffic and making the situation worse, Chromium has temporarily stopped allowing requests to the server." < 1325277503 523319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hackego is here? < 1325277504 532596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1325277507 910512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you betray me chrome < 1325277509 372985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1325277520 313312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, chrome does what? < 1325277529 386092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it tells you how to turn it off on the next line :P < 1325277530 396333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume there is a button to resume that? < 1325277531 565232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1325277533 503751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1325277541 866122 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it enforces good manners on the web. how horrible. < 1325277551 395798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I will bother, because refreshing youtube's 500 page was not productive < 1325277551 971262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1325277559 35257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will instead refresh this denied page < 1325277581 581746 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no I just misremembered the stalker mode URL < 1325277595 195039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also why the tail, I always wondered < 1325277605 982517 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:29 < kallisti> I think tabletop RPGs have the best graphics ever. < 1325277606 144357 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:29 < kallisti> and the gameplay engine is remarkably varied. :> :> :> < 1325277613 744179 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :said before disconnected. important words. < 1325277625 173381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har < 1325277655 759176 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if I really want them I can have shiny rocks. < 1325277667 635404 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just imagine all the rocks to be really shiny. < 1325277668 482602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1325277669 129295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xERRV7JmZk8#t=1m15s < 1325277709 653938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, game you should play at some point: Bastion. < 1325277714 96573 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what a lame ringtone on that phone. < 1325277714 419142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is so unique < 1325277783 818711 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why are so many awesome people in this thing. < 1325277811 227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is an awesome game < 1325277901 587502 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this guy draws for a living like I program for a living. < 1325277919 327746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325277935 240490 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"must focus on bunnies" < 1325278081 495087 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325278183 523250 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :malevelator < 1325278326 266426 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<---> I was never sure what the emotion was honestly < 1325278326 462647 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<---> So I just imagined you actually saying what you wrote and I think that got me there most of the time < 1325278326 619336 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<---> I'd even add some of your drawn out voice-quavers. :) < 1325278337 168975 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ A story about me not using the tongue-face smiley. < 1325278356 398795 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I have "drawn out voice-quavers" < 1325278359 580858 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever that means. < 1325278378 486801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I have heard Gregor's voice exactly once. < 1325278398 541361 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My voice is awesome[1]! < 1325278401 638911 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1]: Not actually awesome < 1325278445 265853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: btw the sprite actually has animations for like everything that happens in the game < 1325278455 838390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't imagine how long it took to film it all < 1325278507 634200 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: aha I thought that voice was familiar. that bird-guy that they talk to at the beginning is also a character called Choose Goose in Adventure Time. < 1325278512 212267 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that voice actor has a very distinct voice. < 1325278558 79161 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0071818/ < 1325278558 725274 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1325278559 734598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever destined to be a bird < 1325278561 429646 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of things < 1325278565 990067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, speaking of Sonic and realism, I guess the 2006 Sonic has a sorta-wannabe-realistic-ish human too, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_yFxEnqLr8 < 1325278595 114885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that game is a bit of a "did not happen" for many people, though. < 1325278608 503036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: flux is homer btw < 1325278619 491255 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1325278622 557441 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :flux? homer? < 1325278633 63301 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must think I've been paying a lot of attention < 1325278643 232830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: the purple guy < 1325278649 208289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is voiced by Dan Castellaneta < 1325278653 487439 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1325278658 134572 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homer Simpson < 1325278663 577511 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of the Greek.. < 1325278667 898857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1325278671 329679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too. < 1325278790 835954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sec < 1325278828 798762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my reaction: wait that isn't a final fantasy game? < 1325278844 413552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, that's a Sonic game. < 1325278855 532680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, I haven't seen sonic yet < 1325278863 620121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He'll be in the video. < 1325278866 611869 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it doesn't have Sonic in it. < 1325278885 496177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should see the touching Sonic/Elise kiss scene, which also is in the game. < 1325278927 345916 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touching/creepy < 1325278958 580138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this... this is wrong on so many levels < 1325278960 363959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know, they're both consenting adults and so on. (Though IIRC Sonic's dead at that point, so maybe he's not so consenting.) < 1325278993 992772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also he's a hedgehog. < 1325279006 611507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also is that a tron hedgehog in that video you linked? < 1325279007 262653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1325279019 307704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, so in Hedgehog Years he's a senior, I think. < 1325279028 877347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's a hedgehog from the future. < 1325279036 166623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1325279037 671318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :carry on < 1325279039 775679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Vorpal has never seen a future hedgehog before. < 1325279040 260236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You see, chaos control, time travel. < 1325279044 590291 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he's an *adult* hedgehog. < 1325279063 907157 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xATi_9seuk < 1325279079 507116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I haven't. I never played much sonic. I played a level or two at a friend's house once < 1325279112 659018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, the final cutscene retroactively erases the whole game's events from the timeline, so canonically speaking the game's a no-op. < 1325279140 143449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err... < 1325279140 507177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The future hedgehog has telekinesis, though, obviously. < 1325279164 292644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote fizzie, also is that a tron hedgehog in that video you linked? Vorpal: That's a hedgehog from the future. [...] Vorpal: Anyway, the final cutscene retroactively erases the whole game's events from the timeline, so canonically speaking the game's a no-op. fizzie, err... Vorpal: The future hedgehog has telekinesis, though, obviously. < 1325279166 548699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so the retcon was in the same work as it retconned? < 1325279167 199698 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :788) fizzie, also is that a tron hedgehog in that video you linked? Vorpal: That's a hedgehog from the future. [...] Vorpal: Anyway, the final cutscene retroactively erases the whole game's events from the timeline, so canonically speaking the game's a no-op. fizzie, err... Vorpal: The future hedgehog has telekinesis, though, obviously. < 1325279181 690791 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325279202 267620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So is that game better or wose than the Shadow one (neither of which I have played) < 1325279206 259059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that isn't quote-worthy IMO < 1325279214 543432 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325279214 866854 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 788 < 1325279217 850739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 777 < 1325279218 819907 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* fizzie, also is that a tron hedgehog in that video you linked? Vorpal: That's a hedgehog from the future. [...] Vorpal: Anyway, the final cutscene retroactively erases the whole game's events from the timeline, so canonically speaking the game's a no-op. fizzie, err... Vorpal: The future hedgehog has telekinesis, though, obviously. < 1325279221 121440 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :777) `delquote 419 * HackEgo has quit (Remote host closed the connection) * EgoBot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) * glogbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) < 1325279234 810649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a three-main-characters-with-storylines game. Sonic does what Sonic does; Silver (the future hedgehog) does telekinesis and self-levitation with psychic powers; and Shadow does... uh, kickboxing, or something. < 1325279242 154528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote fizzie, also is that a tron hedgehog in that video you linked? Vorpal: That's a hedgehog from the future. [...] Vorpal: Anyway, the final cutscene retroactively erases the whole game's events from the timeline, so canonically speaking the game's a no-op. fizzie, err... Vorpal: The future hedgehog has telekinesis, though, obviously. < 1325279242 536505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I heard that sonic generations is pretty okay btw < 1325279245 334603 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :788) fizzie, also is that a tron hedgehog in that video you linked? Vorpal: That's a hedgehog from the future. [...] Vorpal: Anyway, the final cutscene retroactively erases the whole game's events from the timeline, so canonically speaking the game's a no-op. fizzie, err... Vorpal: The future hedgehog has telekinesis, though, obviously. < 1325279247 329820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a fascist, sorry. < 1325279250 848028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which is iirc the last one < 1325279258 480941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Is that the nth-reboot one? < 1325279272 701458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not sure I don't really follow the sonic franchise < 1325279276 651884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that was 4. < 1325279307 405943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think it has both modern style and classical style levels or something like that < 1325279310 320246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much aspirin Sonic takes for his headaches. < 1325279320 629849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1325279328 742357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haven't watched an LP of the Shadow game. I've just watched the 2006 Sonic, the Unleashed were-hog game, the really bizarre Sonic and the Black Knight thing, and the second-to-latest Sonic Colors one. < 1325279334 797691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eagerly awaiting Sonic 5: Darker and Edgier: The Addiction. < 1325279337 151460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I just bought Generations the other day. :p < 1325279354 31449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was a Daily Deal at -66%, how could I resist.) < 1325279354 840681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, was Sonic and the Black knight cannon or a fan made thingy? < 1325279364 323227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and is it a Monty Python reference? < 1325279369 540475 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a cannon. < 1325279370 186055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1325279373 615499 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sonic gets shot out of it. < 1325279373 776129 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm < 1325279376 37555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sonic and the Black Knight was de-listed in 2010, following on from Sega's decision to remove all Sonic titles with average Metacritic scores from retail stores in order to increase the value of the brand after positive reviews for Sonic 4 and Sonic Colors.[5]" < 1325279391 286596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325279399 541501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well now /that/ is a jerk move < 1325279401 318364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They're all real games; but it's bizarroid. It's like this fairytale-themed thing. < 1325279406 556021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: FSVO jerk move < 1325279414 247716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sega aren't exactly obligated to sell games they don't thinka re good :P < 1325279414 732801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yes. There are far worse ones < 1325279419 296724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*think are < 1325279438 856917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I see < 1325279445 121791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/SBKCanyon1.jpg ;; HARDCORE RAILROAD GRINDING < 1325279445 970452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colors was all right. The dialogue is amusingly self-satirical, and it doesn't take itself at all seriously. < 1325279449 528915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So metal. < 1325279454 212757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so is the generation one any good? < 1325279471 494691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I was thinking about it but decided not to due to not really playing much sonic before. < 1325279476 178609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's usually a recipe for trying too hard. :p < 1325279493 382353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: At least Rayman 3 suffered a bit from all the sarcastic lampshading. < 1325279509 229363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it wasn't too grating. < 1325279510 842867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it was good enough on its other merits to not suffer too badly, so...) < 1325279515 205778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I was thinking of picking up Alice Madness Returns recently < 1325279518 33543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't do it though < 1325279538 432317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a fairly limited budget. I did pick up Terraria and Bastion and a few other things though < 1325279544 809164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :american mcgee's alice is so obnoxious < 1325279550 740656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? < 1325279559 380803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So far it seems good; I've only played through the first three of the ten areas. Each area has two acts, first with "classic-style" mostly-2D Sonic with the classic-like controls, and the second with "modern" Sonic doing the current 2D/3D switcharoo with modern controls (homing attack and whatever). < 1325279564 22047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the platforming looked fairly fun from a youtube video I saw < 1325279566 608455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S LIKE ALICE IN WONDERLAND BUT GRITTY AND EDGY YOU GUYS!!! RATED TEEN < 1325279567 293522 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I preferred his Strawberry Shortcake. < 1325279593 985191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't see the issue with that < 1325279597 977626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~gothhicke~ < 1325279603 180383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1325279603 336589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~GOHTIQUE~ < 1325279604 953299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~GOHTIKKKUE~ < 1325279607 187372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1325279622 60434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got Hickey. < 1325279629 692989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VINCENT VAN GOTHIC < 1325279635 26636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I think you would love Terraria < 1325279641 883115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you haven't already played it < 1325279666 463515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does sonic work well without a gamepad? < 1325279668 650233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, did you play it or what. < 1325279693 414916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I doubt it. < 1325279698 745221 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325279700 682167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in reply to what line? < 1325279703 547114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't really know, I guess a pad might be a good idea. I've been playing it with the PS3 controller I have. < 1325279705 207079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terraria. < 1325279707 324465 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how any ~modern reinvention~ of Alice in Wonderland feels the need to stick the Jabberwock in somewhere. < 1325279715 132673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it isn't like minecraft at all actually. It is more RPGish < 1325279716 844004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: All the areas are thematically lifted from earlier Sonic games; so far there's been Green Hill Zone from Sonic 1, Chemical Plant from Sonic 2, and Sky Sanctuary from Sonic & Knuckles. The rest are from the moderner games which I haven't played. < 1325279723 866365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I was totally offered a free copy of Terraria from a guy at school! < 1325279731 501570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, did you say yes or no < 1325279732 753124 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told him to go away because he was Annoying Homestuck Guy. < 1325279738 887160 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1325279761 418388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, exactly: It lacks most of the elements I find interesting about Minecraft (e.g. isolation, overworld exploration) and amplifies the stupid RPG stuff Notch keeps adding. < 1325279769 471700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not intending any kind of chronological relation, just comparing.) < 1325279783 227541 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it isn't trying to be minecraft though < 1325279784 719829 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weren't you praising the addition of that very stupid RPG stuff shortly after it was added? < 1325279786 615982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok thinking about it and looking at the wikipedia page (which doesn't seem to have a formula), i think possibly g x | x <= 0 = x-1 | otherwise = -1/(x+1); h x | x < 0 = 1/(1-x) | otherwise = 1+x < 1325279802 432917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I seem to remember that as well < 1325279811 454060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (Not intending any kind of chronological relation, just comparing.) < 1325279822 459151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Nnno, I said the idea is nice. < 1325279822 781799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also the dickiest move: the PS3/Xbox360 versions of Generations contain the first MegaDrive/Genesis "Sonic the Hedgehog" game as an unlockable add-on; but the PC/Steam version doesn't. Some have speculated that's because Sega's still selling the original game in Steam as "SEGA Classics" series title. < 1325279829 159401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not nice as part of Minecraft and it turned out to be badly-executed. < 1325279836 3084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch < 1325279837 941385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it could make an interesting game itself, if it wasn't cra. < 1325279838 427035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1325279839 395184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1325279852 111798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although ISTR liking the new terrain gen too until I actually looked at it up close. < 1325279853 566921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had read it's in there from the Generations Wikipedia article, and was all like "ooh, where can I unlock this thing". < 1325279865 38418 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, until walking through it for more than 100 metres. < 1325279865 362478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the answer is "nowhere". < 1325279872 328049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch < 1325279894 343638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, it wouldn't have frustration-reducing savestates, like an emulator copy. :p < 1325279903 273073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it'd be Legal(tm) and all that.) < 1325279905 774406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, just upscaling the biome size in the old one might have worked < 1325279921 828639 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1325279926 66699 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weeellll, you'd still not've had proper oceans. < 1325279932 951824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325279937 429527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to pay more pretend-money (that you get from playing) to unlock infinite continues in it, separately, after unlocking the game itself. < 1325279941 968309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they'd be an acceptable tradeoff for keeping interesting land. < 1325279954 444310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And that's just continues from start of the "zone".) < 1325279959 71257 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so special case ocean somehow? < 1325279982 642219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1325279990 97649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of divided on that one. < 1325279995 565473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325279998 479559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ^^^ < 1325280005 140192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh sorry < 1325280011 551784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i pushed that to my stack but it got lost < 1325280014 218474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the one hand, it seems like a good way to do it; on the other hand, special-cased biome terrain is exactly why the new terrain gen is crap. < 1325280019 564077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, or add more detail to it in some way? < 1325280019 726577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1325280034 908015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that seems simple enough. although I _did_ switch to trying to figure out how to construct the tree recursively :P < 1325280045 459922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The only solution is EC terrain gen. < 1325280045 945681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325280068 177539 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, clearly. < 1325280074 152944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also I just won "Men of War: Vietnam" from Steam's ongoing "gift pile" thing. What the doop am I supposed to do with *that*? ("The new, story-driven campaign lets you taste the explosive mix of the jungle, Hueys and rock-n-roll in 1968. The US campaign focuses on a team of elite special ops soldiers, and each one of them has a personality.") < 1325280076 252323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WHICH YOU NEED TO KEEP THINKING ABOUT < 1325280082 754637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BTW I want jungles, work out how I can have jungles somehow. < 1325280086 669185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1325280090 662560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called 'biomes'. < 1325280113 458690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could play it for the personalities? < 1325280122 580866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I only won some coal + a coupon for a game I already own! < 1325280144 527300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's technically worth 30 eur. (Well, except for today, it's a daily deal at 7.49 eur at the moment.) < 1325280152 181313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sell it! OH WAIT. < 1325280166 253253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, actually I seem to have 3 coupons and 5 coal. If you want to trade or such for something? I don't know what Men Of War is though < 1325280179 756322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it some hard core milsim? < 1325280181 251149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1325280184 480878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, purely going on the name, I think you shoot people. < 1325280199 537183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's spelled "Muslim". < 1325280200 669201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quoted the description above. < 1325280203 412826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's racist. < 1325280207 692301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1325280217 532008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/56/Men_of_War.jpg ;; looks legit < 1325280226 246058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except this one is 'NAM. < 1325280238 626856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have coupons for VVVVVV and RedOrchestra2 if you want. I'm not going to use either. VVVVVV I already know (what a dick move of Valve to give me that thus) < 1325280243 591954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do also have a "-25% off any Valve game, valid Jan 2nd through March 1st" coupon too, which is kind-of useless. < 1325280252 595185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have that too yes < 1325280259 257806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err -33% < 1325280260 590013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, shortly after, the man was killed due to not being able to see anything above him. < 1325280261 889015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not -25% < 1325280272 926773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote oh jesus my mother is trying to ship bear grylls with miranda hart aerio;jghaeirugha < 1325280275 832634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They come in many amounts, yes. My wife's brother has a -50% one. < 1325280275 993680 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :788) oh jesus my mother is trying to ship bear grylls with miranda hart aerio;jghaeirugha < 1325280309 71688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, interested in trading any of the ones I have? < 1325280310 695654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also he won the "Valve Complete Pack" thing, which is technically worth 200 eur or so; except he had all the games already, so... < 1325280311 705722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What a dick move, they didn't give you a free game. < 1325280324 83389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 200 eur? Naw < 1325280325 294727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, worth. < 1325280334 16988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, it's 24.99 pounds right now. < 1325280336 762996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, you know, mathematically speaking. < 1325280339 68528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they could have given me a coupon for a game I didn't already own in steam! < 1325280341 330880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... that's cheaper than anything. < 1325280342 140236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's discounted at the moment. :p < 1325280358 480703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can I buy Steam games without having to actually set it up right now? :P < 1325280365 797712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no < 1325280377 343158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But there's an online store! < 1325280377 665473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You need an account, but I don't think you need to install the client. < 1325280390 220249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Aweeeeeesooooooome when does the discount end. < 1325280395 53543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't really know. Red Orchestra 2 sounds really not very different from Men of War, and I've got VVVVVV already. < 1325280403 547192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway I don't think I will do any of the daily objectives today. < 1325280413 959843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What, not even the SpaceChem one? < 1325280418 117082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is it hard? < 1325280427 130843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I only done the tutorial in that game < 1325280431 643001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is not really my genre < 1325280448 785822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's frustrating as hell after a bit. < 1325280459 296507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I meant the objective < 1325280462 477854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the game itself < 1325280463 362410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, well, in that case it might be quite a lot of playing. It's... something like 1/4th of the way through the game, so it's not *terribly* far, but it's not right at the start either. < 1325280470 527362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch < 1325280474 376122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The objective is just "reach this point".) < 1325280479 48401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1325280492 408396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish it was a shorter game < 1325280496 35982 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to build robust systems is like eating pomegranate wearing boxing gloves. < 1325280525 476251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway if you want a red orchestra 2 coupon? < 1325280526 807430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm guessing the discount will end on Jan 2nd, but that's just a guess. I'm sure they'll discount it during the next holiday whatever too, though. < 1325280536 405402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Vorpal: I don't really know. Red Orchestra 2 sounds really not very different from Men of War, and I've got VVVVVV already. < 1325280540 158748 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone explain what "robust" means? < 1325280543 227408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh right < 1325280559 486807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway Red Orchestra 2 is iirc super-realistic < 1325280559 809457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, "won't jam up under any possible set of inputs specified in the level". < 1325280560 817067 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me scalable and fault tolerant comes to mind. < 1325280566 8183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, think ARMA realism level < 1325280597 956702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I guess I'd be interested if I wanted to shoot people in Europe instead of Vietnam. < 1325280607 98939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, he means a game < 1325280610 860600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a game* < 1325280613 24342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :specific one too < 1325280660 593892 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did you pick up bastion btw? < 1325280676 552701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think it is quite discounted still even though it isn't a daily deal. And it is so worth it < 1325280684 513726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you love rpgs) < 1325280699 706314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Based on Wikipedia, I guess Men of War is sort of tactics thing where you command more than one dude? Or something. And Red Orchestra is a first-person shooter, I think. Anyway, neither sounds very much like what I'd play. < 1325280727 800252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1325280739 221581 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: right I was just asking what "robust" actually means in the context of software in general. < 1325280741 208396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, I didn't; did consider it, though. Maybe I'll consider some more. < 1325280765 894592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, watch some youtube video of it. It is probably on my top-two list of the games this year < 1325280776 459011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shared first place with witcher 2) < 1325280797 252556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would play Men of War if it was a strategy game where you control individual zooids in a Portuguese Man o' War. < 1325280842 501518 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zoids like Zoids? < 1325280850 510937 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*zooids < 1325280857 489957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about terraria? < 1325280870 656344 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoids < 1325280883 791551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to steam I played 11 hours of bastion and 10 of terraria. And I bought both just a few days ago < 1325280948 494441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since I completed bastion twice (once in new game+) during that time, it really doesn't take long to play. Yet it is so awesome < 1325280974 973613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if skyrim measures how long you played... < 1325280976 952118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks
< 1325280995 173027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Dude... let's make that game. < 1325281001 366478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1325281004 118052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crashed < 1325281009 92574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you Bethesda < 1325281023 646036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crashed on the main menu < 1325281042 39641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now it works < 1325281082 103137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nope < 1325281089 416676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no time spent playing < 1325281089 577780 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hihihi < 1325281091 66904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1325281099 852367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says 302 days passed, 81 hours slept and 692 hours waited. I guess you could calculate from that < 1325281105 584964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much I actually spent playing it < 1325281115 760863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :302 days < 1325281123 887746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 302 in-game days < 1325281125 18493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1325281131 526235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no real < 1325281136 128361 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas no < 1325281138 713885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The weirdest thing was the other day, I had successfully done that And Yet It Moves objective, so the Steam-installed copy worked just fine; then it suddently started to day "Fatal-ISV: (..\..\source\dgl\bitmapPng.cc @...", "Error reading PNG file: incorrect data check" after the loading screens, then quit away. Two days later, it again worked just fine. < 1325281155 870944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/to day/to say/ < 1325281162 525300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wtf < 1325281191 999868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it wasn't just a single-time fluke, I tried to start it four times consecutively and always got the same PNG file error. < 1325281202 575025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1325281206 611535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess it's possible Steam might have done some sneaky updating-on-the-background there. < 1325281217 534266 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, OK: pneumatophores are basic structural units; dactyloooids are your military; gonozooids are needed for construction; and gastrozooids produce resources. < 1325281218 542095 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate that yes. You have to change that /per game/ < 1325281222 297445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is horrible < 1325281225 827097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1325281236 690254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, which game is this? < 1325281264 932982 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Siphonophore: Lord of the Sea. < 1325281274 863309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of it, is it indie? < 1325281294 811462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Siphonophorae or Siphonophora, the siphonophores, are an order of the Hydrozoa, a class of marine invertebrates belonging to the phylum Cnidaria." < 1325281295 940090 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1325281303 531515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I thought the names were too weird :P < 1325281330 79751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: *Man o' War: Lord of the Sea < 1325281356 83937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Slogan: THIS SIPHONOPHORE AIN'T NO CEPHALOPHORE < 1325281367 65664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man of War — Lord of the Sea. < 1325281392 932733 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325281395 632677 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you lose, your man o' war is shown carrying its head. < 1325281403 886911 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1325281433 290827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, If I ever made a game and sold it on steam it would have loads of weird achievements. Like "Opened main menu" and even getting an achievement for getting your first achievement or something like that < 1325281454 597447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should put Achievement Unlocked and Achievement Unlocked 2 on Steam. < 1325281466 474456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then make each achievement there a daily objective. < 1325281470 68599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of coal for everyone. < 1325281470 229753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, I had forgotten about those < 1325281471 399105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie++ < 1325281480 648088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should play one of them some time < 1325281487 63728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote killing myself repeatedly < 1325281490 8403 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :44) I spent the last minute or so killing myself repeatedly < 1325281491 460365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game's legacy. < 1325281503 733722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second one had unlockable scenarios and all. < 1325281516 343893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which one should I play? < 1325281535 244355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one's of course the first, and you do get the idea from it just fine. < 1325281541 652908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second one is just more of the same, really. < 1325281569 841581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be available on several sites? < 1325281571 53459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1325281575 385251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should just be an achievement for getting an achievement, and so once you get your first achievement your screen fills up with achievement messages and you run out of RAM and your computer crashes and when you go to look at your achivement counter it says א‭‎‏‬₁. < 1325281582 309739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Most Flash games are. < 1325281593 641455 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay which place should I go to for it < 1325281599 144100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that makes you happiest inside. < 1325281606 725670 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325281609 66237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION did it on armorgames.
< 1325281611 219173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't know which ones are trustworthy < 1325281612 254601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1325281616 872940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the top result anyway < 1325281618 3033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jmtb02.com/achievementunlocked/ is maybe better. < 1325281620 144141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Straight from TEH SOURCE. < 1325281626 257550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's Officially(tm) an Armor Games thing. < 1325281652 722326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1325281702 199692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1325281714 885714 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1325281738 816943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the goal? < 1325281756 191056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get all the achievements. < 1325281794 386414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :every block you touch gives an achievement... < 1325281801 701713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not true. < 1325281811 692984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see the full list at the right. :p < 1325281817 681639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not every. And it calms down quite a lot once you've gotten 50 or 60% of hem. < 1325281820 103741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1325281821 880957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all < 1325281822 688878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :most < 1325281849 472345 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1325281864 560339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second game has some rather curious ones, like the "have it open in two tabs at once" thing, where the second tab shows a completely different thing where you can achieve a couple more achievements. < 1325281877 329250 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrolling achievement list list achievement < 1325281879 267250 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1325281895 331679 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how can the game determine that? < 1325281903 778799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, after all I'm using a sandboxing browser < 1325281905 610388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(chrome) < 1325281907 290655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; it's Flash. < 1325281934 465549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't checked whether it works in Chrome. I'd suppose it does, though. < 1325281944 398656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it uses the Flash persistent storage thing. < 1325281946 539164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows. < 1325281951 678066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the numbers? < 1325281965 374935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integers. < 1325281969 304787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes but why < 1325281974 69722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can visit them in different order, for example. < 1325281982 673240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The achievement names give hints. < 1325282010 403902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1325282035 736548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Isn't there an achievement in #1 for reloading the page? < 1325282037 429532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was that #2. < 1325282074 699034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be. There's all kinds of meta-stuff. < 1325282089 199124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the "Bandwidth Exploiter: Preload the game", which I haven't figured out how not to get. < 1325282100 987291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC I've always just initially gotten it automatically. < 1325282106 675852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's the joke. :p < 1325282113 284738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get the sponsorship screen one immediately too. < 1325282115 61967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the main menu one. < 1325282129 159465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash people call all loaders "preloaders". < 1325282134 76780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1325282142 707680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Preload" just makes it sound like something special. < 1325282155 786151 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1325282174 104087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Guess how much SO rep I have (NO PEEKING). kallisti: Also you. < 1325282178 665707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gloat.
< 1325282180 322771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goat.
< 1325282196 737884 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, five tillion. < 1325282210 224577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: NO BUT SERIOUSLY???? It's more than that I mean come on. < 1325282233 971258 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1325282315 57013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHEESH. < 1325282438 159163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Clear! You Finished in 644 Seconds". Well, that was a nice and well-wasted ten minutes and a bit. < 1325282453 17948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not much of a score. :p < 1325282489 910087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first time took quite a bit longer though. < 1325282555 485047 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: all the rep < 1325282562 177392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: NO < 1325282563 156182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS A NUMERIC < 1325282563 641433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VALUE < 1325282584 72749 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"100 goats" < 1325282588 505139 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl counts right? < 1325282602 789814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: AS ANEUREMNRCUMCIC < 1325282603 962071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VALUE < 1325282607 393566 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS A NUMERIC CONTEXT < 1325282608 81096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SITHHEAD!!! < 1325282608 428407 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEREFORE < 1325282614 725876 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NUMERITC VALUE < 1325282629 257139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... 100? < 1325282637 531774 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1325282664 789081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ban kallisti. < 1325282670 783997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bankai. < 1325282679 341516 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason the silent g in poignant unnerves me. < 1325282714 804535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason the murderous but bouncy insects of poing-ant unnerve me. < 1325282727 656107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell catseye Become cpressey dammit! < 1325282728 141641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325282737 566515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cpressey FELIX IN ACTION: http://stackoverflow.com/a/8684400/1097181 < 1325282738 52206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325282757 953185 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1325282783 130726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's going to get that in like five years. < 1325282794 962112 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh sorry Google I don't think pungent and poignant are synonyms. < 1325282825 501874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: GUESS A NAUMAAUMBUMBER < 1325282840 72988 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: jiffreysnop < 1325282845 241835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: UGUES A NUMBER < 1325282846 733782 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 25 < 1325282853 108910 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pappliatic engraphage poston mel jag esque beggy eite basto belocheta ant elufe baldank schesaun rec pula disan exha graphil henkehrbur escam sylhel trivabi embulbecom rejani < 1325282886 413040 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 < 1325282889 178856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :34946 < 1325282906 461695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I bought Spiritual Survival During the Y2K Crisis last year at a Thrift Store and here is the bookmark that was left inside it: http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/diagrammatis.jpg" -- cracked.com. That's some serious religious research going on there. (Didn't want to direct-link their image.) < 1325282912 799799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: NEITHER OF THOSE < 1325282917 804290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact it is between those. < 1325282941 915772 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "elliott: " + (unwords $ map show [0..]) < 1325282942 884031 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num [GHC.Types.Char]) < 1325282943 40608 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `GH... < 1325282949 753219 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "elliott: " ++ (unwords $ map show [0..]) < 1325282951 448570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "elliott: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 ... < 1325282956 289964 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: here I've produced all the numbers < 1325282956 446318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is it bad that my first thought was "that would make good album art"? < 1325283170 642234 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325283270 763878 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I loved diagrams like this in my literature class < 1325283282 230369 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were always a huge mess of lines and circles and vague concepts. < 1325283288 287561 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That diagram is difficult for me. < 1325283288 611027 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 5 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1325283296 226604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Did they always end up in "RELATIONAL ANARCHY !!" too? < 1325283300 708486 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1325283310 689049 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were usually about Freedom and Love and stuff like that. < 1325283326 192058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, you've DONE SOMETHING to zem.fi. (The non-zem.fi URL of that made me curious.) < 1325283341 330588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you have a host called β.zem.fi for some reason. < 1325283367 234608 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's a FSA, the initial state is Resekah (see the double circle) < 1325283379 880123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh, I know what happened. fizzie was setting up a new computer and it asked for the hostname and he said "beta" but you know how it is with speech recognition. < 1325283412 98808 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also finnish accents. < 1325283415 829315 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Doesn't it say "REBEKAH"? < 1325283425 793147 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh. yes < 1325283426 116514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, it's a bit messed up right now. With the faster-and-cheaper tubes came non-static IPs, and I didn't want to have the main "zem.fi" A record change all the time, so I put the local stuff into β.zem.fi which is a CNAME of a lower-TTL dynamically updated record, and let that prgmr VPS hold the main "zem.fi" thing. Maybe one day I'll put a website(tm) up there. < 1325283436 987523 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I am bad at Bible. < 1325283438 876301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which elliott finally gouds [sp?] fizzie to use his op powers < 1325283483 469225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*goad < 1325283497 238150 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it is FSA, it is still difficult, there is all sorts of different lines, shapes, overlapping stuff, and so on. < 1325283503 985045 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wandered off into a rape" huh, wonder how that happened. < 1325283507 441064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, "beta.zem.fi" also works, I just had this weird hankering of some IDNs. It doesn't really work in e.g. this Chromium; since it thinks I don't read Greek, or some-such, it just shows "xn--nxa" instead of "β". < 1325283522 707000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Apache's error message is where I saw it; it does the ponycode too. < 1325283528 599666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How "lame". < 1325283545 471345 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Biblical characters are more difficult than computers. < 1325283554 98817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox whitelists by TLD, so IDNs in ".fi" get shown properly. < 1325283580 722432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the TLD strategy really makes sense to apply for IDNy stuff in the not-the-second-level-domain-name. < 1325283599 873613 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the TLD kind of mystifies me... < 1325283612 168929 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, what kind of server farm is handling all that traffic? < 1325283615 135594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Maybe we should stop relying on visual appearance of glyphs for security. :p < 1325283620 675171 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that how it even works? < 1325283621 560287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: http://www.root-servers.org/ < 1325283630 989325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: DNS results are cached at basically every level. < 1325283637 341887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most requests you make won't ever get outside your ISP. < 1325283663 796303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox folks whitelist TLDs which have a published "policy" for either disallowing similar-looking glyphs, or dealing with the confusion. < 1325283668 235263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: But the root servers still get hammered with traffic most people can't even dream about because of bad configurations. < 1325283678 872030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Do the root servers run on any special hardware config, I wonder, or just beefy commodity stuff?) < 1325283701 183693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some (many) of them are in anycast IPs that get routed to the nearest of N actual servers, at least. < 1325283712 266954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they don't run stock BIND from what I recall. :p < 1325283721 761488 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a mode to always show ASCII domain names. My program always show ASCII domain names anyways < 1325283731 334193 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how does my computer know where to send DNS queries to? < 1325283737 577602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Your router tells it. < 1325283750 333753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Via DHCP. < 1325283751 464373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Most likely it tells you to get your DNS results from your router. < 1325283759 509511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your router talks to your ISP's DNS server. < 1325283760 718743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_servers#Root_server_addresses -- 9 out of 13 are distributed to multiple places. < 1325283767 860765 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes DHCP < 1325283771 933628 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing that also mystifies me. < 1325283774 526628 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDud < 1325283778 133839 :MDud!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1325283793 755733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see there's a K and I instance in Finland. < 1325283794 560972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: It's just a protocol for "hey, gimme an IP and a DNS server IP". :p < 1325283810 990312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be very awesome if every DNS query had to go through a single root server, to a TLD server, to a hosting company, though. < 1325283811 146633 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does your router get the IP for the TLD? < 1325283818 417717 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISP? < 1325283826 919521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: It doesn't, it just talks to the ISP. < 1325283831 533305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ISP will know where the root servers are, of course. < 1325283834 962317 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. < 1325283838 188089 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes more sense. < 1325283846 354263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it's only the tier-something ISPs that actually do DNS stuff, but don't quote me on that. < 1325283866 469169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Those, and people like Vorpal who want to run their own DNSSEC-enabled resolvers. :p < 1325283876 152918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Those whats? < 1325283878 614631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1325283887 459160 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how does my router know the IP for my ISP network hub thing. < 1325283891 215807 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is so good at networking.
< 1325283891 860413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Vorpal has a measure of 0 or something. < 1325283902 368755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Well, your router's sole purpose is kind of to talk to your ISP. :p < 1325283931 644651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Initial DHCP request (before the client has an address at all) is sent to 255.255.255.255, and thus picked up by the DHCP server on the link. < 1325283942 410341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DHCP also carries all kinds of random crap; my current ISP sticks NTP time server addresses there. < 1325283944 628059 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay. < 1325283966 35475 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it just broadcasts a DHCP request. < 1325284019 147885 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is now wondering how broadcast addresses work.
< 1325284029 685351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to defer to fizzie now as he's exhausted his expertise.
< 1325284052 573232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: The DHCP request probably doesn't go to every host on the internet, mind you :P < 1325284057 773395 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1325284058 257288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: That depends on what the IP's going over on. E.g. on Ethernet they're sent as broadcast frames, which are picked up by everyone on the link. < 1325284060 921218 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the local network < 1325284062 452143 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1325284064 390886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure the ISP will just respond to any DHCP stuff addressed to 255.255.255.255. < 1325284064 793134 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the step above < 1325284066 574073 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the local network < 1325284069 455298 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1325284070 586462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's sent over the wirezz. < 1325284076 443387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1325284081 373288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread what kallisti was talking about. < 1325284091 713719 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay that's how broadcast works. < 1325284098 409199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And right, no-one routes 255.255.255.255 forward. It's just that the client doesn't know the network-specific broadcast address it should use at that point. < 1325284118 767863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think the inability to send packets to the entire internet is one of internetworking's greatest failures. < 1325284123 776194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, multicast would be so simple. < 1325284142 986040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also you could then deprecate all other addresses, and then routing would be so simple too. < 1325284148 74302 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes I agree I should be able to command my botnet to flood every router in the world with spam packets. < 1325284154 580701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes. < 1325284163 627198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Well, *one* packet to the entire internet would probably not do THAT much. < 1325284172 217165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know, maybe it would, ask fizzie.) < 1325284179 799361 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm spamming packets constantly < 1325284182 623614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also we'd save so much space in IP packets, just drop the IP fields. < 1325284184 237226 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as fast as possible < 1325284190 834555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And we'd never have to upgrade. < 1325284212 808135 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :on (potentially) hundreds of network nodes (help I am bad at network terminology) < 1325284229 73526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOLE HUNDREDS? < 1325284231 636535 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1325284233 654718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some mighty big botnet, dude. < 1325284233 816029 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUNDREDS < 1325284237 287661 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOUSANDS MAYBE < 1325284243 107344 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big do botnets get? < 1325284253 499366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Storm: 160,000 to 50 million. < 1325284257 613541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallistinet: HUNDREDS TO THOUSANDS < 1325284272 672331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Storm estimates are a bit... wide: "Some have estimated that by September 2007 the Storm botnet was running on anywhere from 1 million to 50 million computer systems.[1][2] Other sources have placed the size of the botnet to be around 250,000 to 1 million compromised systems. More conservatively, one network security analyst claims to have developed software that has crawled the botnet and estimates that it controls 160,000 infected computer < 1325284272 828632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s.") < 1325284295 229482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Anyway, after it's gotten an IP once, as long as the "lease" for the IP it gets is still valid (those tend to be valid for a day or so), the DHCP client keeps just periodically contacting the DHCP server it knows about and saying "is it okay if I keep this address a bit longer?", and the initial "I don't know who I am and where I am" discovery process doesn't really happen except if the router's been off-link for a long while. (I do think the < 1325284295 423030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :clients also ask about expired leases if they're not *too* old.) < 1325284336 13570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you were a dicky DHCP server you could enforce non-stable addresses, though. < 1325284363 89829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, no, you've had that address for like a week already, give someone else a turn with it. Share and enjoy!" < 1325284371 970406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone link to that vulgar DNS comic, that will answer every question. < 1325284387 409659 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the operators of the botnet began to further decentralize their operations, in possible plans to sell portions of the Storm botnet to other operators." < 1325284392 533261 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would totally buy a botnet. < 1325284406 936650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think about all the bitcoins you could mine. < 1325284432 208308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Storm could easily take over the bitcoin network even if it's only 160k strong, couldn't it? < 1325284443 736498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you only need to control over half the nodes to completely break the chain thing, IIRC. < 1325284455 777014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it would be awesome if the bitcoin mining earning potential would be >= the botnet rent you have to pay. Doesn't sound too likely, though. < 1325284471 421654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failing that 160k to 50 million computers with ordinary CPUs and maybe even semi-decent GPUs is... pretty powerful. < 1325284476 541637 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :botnet rent? < 1325284484 208276 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I just /buy/ it. < 1325284489 209740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC did that. < 1325284501 836090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/7938201.stm < 1325284503 934648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I've understood, normally people just rent. < 1325284506 88175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most legal thing. < 1325284513 510477 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dude if I get botnet what do? < 1325284535 772706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Use it to take down the spammers you work for. < 1325284554 917743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION idly dreams of using Storm to DDOS spammers.
< 1325284565 3457 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shhh, you're not supposed to talk about that. < 1325284590 42015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I did! < 1325284598 635702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I was JOKING. < 1325284603 850397 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE < 1325284605 342044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you just RUINED IT and INCRIMINATED YOURSELF. < 1325284615 993198 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I was joking too, huh? < 1325284688 558197 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wonder if Storm has ever DDOS'd 4chan < 1325284735 301977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You realise they're used for money-making illegal activities, not for shits and giggles. < 1325284744 840866 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1325284795 795734 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325284808 395497 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the software behind such a system fascinating, despite its purpose. < 1325284861 995248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the good old Back Orifice still exists. < 1325284874 825164 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it reacts to repeated malware requests by launching a DOS attack. I imagine it's also capable of patching itself otherwise it would quickly disappear. < 1325284917 452252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be so that you could just probe dialup network ranges with the standard BO port, and find about three to five computers with that wide open within each /24. < 1325284925 724011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it's all more professional now. < 1325284939 127692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I believe it's only the tier-something ISPs that actually do DNS stuff, but don't quote me on that. <-- looking at the DHCP config my ISP has it's own one < 1325284960 888224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : The ISP will know where the root servers are, of course. <-- that is a "well known" list < 1325284973 870202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. < 1325284976 331784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone *has* a DNS server, but it's anyone's guess whether they forward to their transit providers, or do full recursive queries themselves. < 1325284995 921455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fizzie bot said. < 1325285000 641875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1325285093 552029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t replicate < 1325285094 574504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. Int -> a -> [a] < 1325285179 231780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, the root servers only tell resolvers where each TLD's own name servers are. So [ABCDEFGHIJKLM].root-servers.net only answers queries of the form "where's .fi?" by saying "at [abcdefghi].fi, with these IP addresses", and then those servers handle all queries of "so where's foo.fi then?" < 1325285219 957412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I want to see traffic statistics/hardware info, but am too lazy to google. :( < 1325285221 851502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :.com and .net are both hosted on [abcdefghijklm].gtld-servers.net, while .org is on Afilias' nameservers, and so on. < 1325285261 622065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A survey in 2003 [2] reports that only 2% of all queries to the root servers were legitimate. Incorrect or non-existent caching was responsible for 75% of the queries, 12.5% were for unknown TLDs, 7% were for lookups using IP addresses as if they were domain names, etc. Some misconfigured desktop computers even tried to update the root server records for the TLDs." < 1325285267 150746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of what they get is just crap. :p < 1325285283 779694 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DB75.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325285302 925656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2] is a link to report titled "Wow, That's a Lot of Packets". < 1325285330 418762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Organizations operating Root DNS servers report loads exceeding 100 million queries per day." --Wow, That's a Lot of Packets. < 1325285353 997157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks stupid in an attribution line like that. < 1325285366 739493 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-4-250.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1325285366 901981 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-4-250.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1325285367 57704 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1325285390 716 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1325285390 647897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we shall now have to make a report titled "It looks stupid in an attribution line like that." < 1325285398 759177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What, only 100 million? < 1325285408 936836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big's a DNS query this side of Neptune? < 1325285413 177907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, per root server I presume? < 1325285442 161675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly they're a single UDP packet, so less than 1500 bytes. < 1325285458 14786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 140 gigabytes a day at the worst. < 1325285460 476007 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A second variant of the virus, discovered in December 2008, added the ability to propagate over LANs through removable media and network shares.[18] " -- Conficker article < 1325285461 282874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft. < 1325285463 382461 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... insane. < 1325285471 172580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "exceeding" it says < 1325285472 1366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1325285484 950740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anything under a terabyte a day is peanuts!! :P < 1325285494 587397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1325285515 950840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that's only 1.7 megs/sec. < 1325285518 414999 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts flash drive in infected computer and is now carrying a computer virus with him to any other computer he uses.
< 1325285533 490138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, root servers has an easy job really. The hard work is for TLD servers I expect < 1325285535 435882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: This is why you always wear a condom. < 1325285552 122718 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that code for linux? < 1325285553 579241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, let's get fizzie to dig up TLD server reports. < 1325285566 46161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I didn't say that < 1325285580 749486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a well-known traffic amplification attack, to flood DNS servers with a very short query which generates a very long response, and a spoofed source address. If the answer is (say) 50 times longer than the query, if you send a megabyte's worth of queries per second, the spoofed source will get 50 megabytes/sec of spurious DNS answers from all around the interwebs. < 1325285589 925174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, I was being serious, let's. < 1325285592 845664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but anyway on properly configured systems stuff like .com .net and so on will be cached pretty quickly < 1325285604 966435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That sounds fun. Is that practical these days? < 1325285611 891117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there are many more entries under .com than under the root < 1325285620 416811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus I expect much much higher load there < 1325285663 527676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1325285670 423433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm sure it still works up to some degree, though maybe not quite that well. You do need to find "open resolver" style DNS servers. < 1325285751 754776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm pretty sure responsible such (like, say, Google's ones, which probably have fat pipes) have some sort of "do not send more than K packets/second to a single client" limits. < 1325285792 123417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like DNS traffic in a regular situation should consume much bandwidth at all. < 1325285836 35986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're using BITTORRENT OVER DNS. < 1325285845 193088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. http://www.netrogenic.com/dnstorrent/ < 1325285854 233570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, it just works for .torrent files. < 1325285855 941064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the data itself. < 1325285877 798809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait you joked about it and didn't know it existed? < 1325285898 163277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... yes. < 1325285910 742150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1325285911 65177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do "IP over DNS" to use (some) non-free Wifi networks without paying. < 1325285920 262895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1325285923 59361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can't block all DNS traffic, or their own login pages wouldn't work. < 1325285933 473305 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes I have thought of the same kind of idea < 1325285937 400143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, how shocking, the dot-p2p thing doesn't load any more. < 1325285942 82717 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading the Wikipedia article on Conficker is like "How to write a botnet: the book" < 1325285944 831902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they do happen to allow arbitrary DNS traffic, as long as you have a cooperative name server somewhere, you can talk over that. < 1325285949 343525 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, even for use with ones that you do not ordinarily have to pay. < 1325285955 894410 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case the login page won't work < 1325285971 121418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thomer.com/howtos/nstx.html < 1325285974 104572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the old thing. < 1325285978 716315 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or in case some other things are blocked for some reason < 1325286010 586774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the linked-to iodine is a newer thing. < 1325286037 951716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Packaged in Debian and everything. < 1325286053 110850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of impolite for the DNS server, though. < 1325286068 775702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, and impolite for the network operator too, of course, especially if they expect people to pay. < 1325286087 222632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1325286096 329680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least one of the systems (maybe NSTX?) caused quite huge loads on (at least some) DNS servers. < 1325286114 626868 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325286121 696941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly iodine tries to reduce that, I haven't checked. < 1325286203 252974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :was looking at the current daily deals. This one sounds like it has a pretty wide scope: "Universe Sandbox" < 1325286206 389565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^ < 1325286250 894392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :some pretty good stuff in the deals today though. 75% off all GTA games for example < 1325286323 606466 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One one WiFi that says "Free WiFi (except HTTP, HTTPS, MSN, and people who smoke inside this building while using this WiFi service)" < 1325286402 162451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could just ssh tunnel < 1325286428 22365 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, you could use SSH tunnel. < 1325286449 242349 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't have one then too bad < 1325286470 647345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to hear "AirPort Network", "JepJepJoo", "Macverkko", "THOMSON", "TS", "zuHause" and "ZyXEL" to my desk. These are all other people's private networks, though. (Except the THOMSON one in fact seems open. Curious.) < 1325286508 534818 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except for smoking is not allowed even SSH tunnel, because that is due to smoking laws instead of internet) < 1325286537 999591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's also "jepjep" in addition to "JepJepJoo". Wonder if those are related. < 1325286559 330839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the "zuHause" folks must be Germans, probably planning to burn down the building. < 1325286590 892420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I can see 44 networks if I place my laptop in the window < 1325286593 636279 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise around 12 < 1325286612 647708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there are no networks around here on channel 13 though so I picked that one < 1325286616 275223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a different set in different rooms. < 1325286621 807538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1325286633 713610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Channel 13's one of those that are not valid globally, IIRC. < 1325286655 845148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this is is not a very urban area. Villaområde, whatever that is in English < 1325286667 682418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, exactly < 1325286674 743425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is valid in Sweden though < 1325286695 813579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also in Finland. < 1325286716 467562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Except not on Fridays, due to bad luck." (Okay, not really. But wouldn't that be screwy?) < 1325286756 817617 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if you want to, you could make a WiFi network that disables channel 13 on Friday < 1325286790 105790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1325286837 939835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the regulatory situation for the 5 GHz channels is ever more complicated than for regular old 2.4 GHz. < 1325286878 747737 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if Befunge-98 is easier to implement in Haskell due to laziness
< 1325286894 815367 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A whatever by whatever array that defaults to 0 or something < 1325286912 8839 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is defaults to 0 a sensible thing for Haskell arrays to do < 1325286921 942085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should default to 32, anyway. :p < 1325286942 503654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1325286947 44738 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although hmm, would it try to store every box in memory at once, that's no good < 1325286947 367645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I have a 11g network < 1325286969 863113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't really think functional datastructures are "easier" (than what?), based on how long it seems to take for elliott to finally finish that CCBI-killing Fungespace for Shiro. :p < 1325286990 74570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new VDSL2 box does some 11n stuff. < 1325287025 40107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With 50M downstream, it probably doesn't help all that much, though; and anyway the old iBooks and the N900 don't do 11n either. < 1325287059 39349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except that according to speedtest.net I seem to be getting around 68M downstream, I don't know what's up with that. Not that I'm exactly complaining.) < 1325287419 913349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The box has a statistics page with byte counters that seem to be saturating 32-bit, because the numbers are stuck at 2147483647. I'm not sure if that's better or worse than 32-bit with wraparound. At least there (if you poll often enough) you can compute running totals yourself. < 1325287426 613505 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ooooh wicked burn < 1325287462 159418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes, I'm expecting like eight pointed comments about speech recognition in retaliation. < 1325287478 458878 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well I think the issue was that he was inventing a non-standard data structure from scratch, iirc. < 1325287644 384239 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1325287659 155234 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a "non-functional" data structure in the context of Haskell would be, say, an opaque pointer to a mutable array. < 1325287689 878020 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a non-ADT < 1325287823 326893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back. < 1325287825 622484 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1325287860 497460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : And I don't really think functional datastructures are "easier" (than what?), based on how long it seems to take for elliott to finally finish that CCBI-killing Fungespace for Shiro. :p < 1325287885 752589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Only because I'm trying to do an extreme optimisation while staying pure and immutably. < 1325287888 376975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*immutable < 1325287910 767875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wasn't trying to emulate Oleg, it'd be done in the 3 days Shiro 1 was. :p < 1325287965 649511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : was looking at the current daily deals. This one sounds like it has a pretty wide scope: "Universe Sandbox" < 1325287966 980139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Olde < 1325287994 584361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, there's also "jepjep" in addition to "JepJepJoo". Wonder if those are related. < 1325287998 781479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warring Wi-Fi clans. < 1325288004 504431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie, I can see 44 networks if I place my laptop in the window < 1325288010 464046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I thought you lived in nowheretown. < 1325288049 416498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Anyway, the problem with constructing fungespace up-front is that just moving through spaces allocates unfreeable memory. < 1325288058 443874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only inserts should do that, preferably. < 1325288106 55889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Guess how many reps out of 200 I made today! < 1325288110 375023 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :200! < 1325288127 726389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong! The correct answer is 305. < 1325288147 747541 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :305? that's not over 9000, nor is it (probably) numberwang < 1325288152 513646 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> product [1..200] < 1325288153 644044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 788657867364790503552363213932185062295135977687173263294742533244359449963... < 1325288165 827762 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti clearly thinks highly of you, elliott. < 1325288177 180029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That was yesterday. < 1325288195 943704 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, today isn't over yet? < 1325288205 146370 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what I hate, by the way? < 1325288214 311427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happiness? < 1325288219 315713 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl? < 1325288221 90974 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :python? < 1325288221 252536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relational databases? < 1325288224 37466 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who make "you said exclamation mark therefore you meant factorial ha ha ha!" jokes. < 1325288237 131887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I too hate at least one person who has made one of those jokes. < 1325288237 288244 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. elliott < 1325288247 291979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'm way above that, man. < 1325288253 464606 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's exactly the same joke each time. < 1325288257 338061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, slightly above. < 1325288316 369543 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out the server running my IRC client was down. < 1325288348 944357 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you have a server running your IRC client? < 1325288351 889860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why reasonable people IRC directly; then when their IRC server is down, they can't use their computer at all. < 1325288371 592861 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kept thinking the network I'm using was blocking outgoing SSH connections. < 1325288377 736695 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which it *was*, some of the time, I think. < 1325288517 224710 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I need to reörder all my channels. < 1325288518 677053 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1325288524 94956 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did that Unicode character not go through? < 1325288546 78761 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one between "re" and "rder". < 1325288559 362138 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked for me yes < 1325288561 824515 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :���� < 1325288567 624132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worked. < 1325288575 164152 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't work here. < 1325288578 713775 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great. < 1325288586 227988 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now even most of Unicode is broken. < 1325288731 199335 :olsner!~salparot@81-237-209-176-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, obviously... everything is broken you see < 1325289143 422378 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have viewed the Agora Horoscope, have you wondered what all those lines on the chart are doing, what the numbers are doing, what "Placidus houses" means, why the glyphs for Pluto and Uranus are different to what you knew before, and what "Node" means? < 1325289296 649782 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1325289298 747383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1325289310 708598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft, it's not even midnight. < 1325289321 207772 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, in here is not even midnight. < 1325289556 213789 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1325289556 697876 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 said 8d 17h 14m 9s ago: welcome back < 1325289556 854391 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 said 8d 17h 13m 17s ago: it was funny for me at the time since you were joining and leaving at a high rate. but the joke has expired < 1325289556 854499 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 5d 14h 14m 1s ago: btw, fmap' shows that T is also a contravariant functor in its first argument. < 1325289556 854544 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 12h 35m 26s ago: When looking at the continuation monad definitions, I notice it seems to be similar to the type for double nots <-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry%E2%80% < 1325289556 854587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :93Howard_correspondence#Correspondence_between_classical_logic_and_control_operators is probably relevant < 1325289558 538555 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti said 11h 52m 25s ago: I recall that you were interested in giving Haskell a more extensible syntax. If you look at Perl 6 you can see that it provides a way to redefine language syntax. < 1325289560 679527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you could look at this for inspiration on how this could be done in Haskell. < 1325289574 346617 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwat < 1325289580 846113 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1325289590 124435 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1325289590 446878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages.