00:00:31 elliott: to solve a problem you must solve the problem of learning how to solve problems. 00:00:38 elliott: once you've done this, you will have learned how to solve problems. 00:00:39 * kallisti zen 00:02:58 -!- PiRSquared17 has joined. 00:05:51 Maybe like this? extract = fst . extract . ($ mempty) . runStateT; And then it needs to make duplicate as well 00:11:06 What is http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Excela&curid=1863&action=history ? 00:11:52 PiRSquared17: vandalism 00:12:14 by bots, to be precise 00:12:24 -!- cheater has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:12:32 hmm, I wonder if they'd go away if we blanked the page 00:12:51 -!- cheater has joined. 00:13:43 What if you moved it to excela/content and transcluded it? 00:14:05 dunno about that... might work, but better wait for ais' approval 00:16:48 Do you have AbuseFilter? 00:17:23 no. ais wants it but the mediawiki version is too old 00:18:50 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit (Quit: The Other Game). 00:22:25 -!- Ngevd has quit (Quit: 'night). 00:22:42 oerjan: how does one learn how to solve problems <-- i think the general 10000 hour rule applies 00:23:05 oerjan: then I'm 15 years overdue 00:24:32 elliott: also i hear pólya's "how to solve it" is supposed to be good 00:26:01 > 10000/24/365.2425 00:26:02 1.1407945862452116 00:26:51 elliott: it's not 10000 hours of _living_, but 10000 hours of actually training on solving problems, hth. 00:27:26 oerjan: well... I've been doing things that involve problem-solving much longer than that 00:27:44 oerjan: i think you may be interpreting my question in too much of a practical sense 00:27:48 O KAY 00:27:53 it was intended in the existential despair sense :) 00:29:21 hmm, I wonder if they'd go away if we blanked the page <-- i am not convinced they actually _look_ at the page. they're always reverting to a really old version, after all. 00:29:32 oerjan: oh, they are? I thought they were babelfishing it 00:29:48 er 00:29:58 i may have been assuming there 00:30:00 -> 00:30:18 :t (&&&) 00:30:20 forall (a :: * -> * -> *) b c c'. (Arrow a) => a b c -> a b c' -> a b (c, c') 00:30:28 :t (***) 00:30:30 forall (a :: * -> * -> *) b c b' c'. (Arrow a) => a b c -> a b' c' -> a (b, b') (c, c') 00:32:35 zzo38: So, NeXT had Display Postscript, and Apple continued with Display PDF. Display DVI? Display TeX? Best ideas ever? 00:33:07 (I of course am not referring to Digital Video Interface, but TeX's DVI) 00:35:36 elliott: no, i was remembering correctly; the spammed page is identical to the _first_ page version, except for the spam link. 00:35:58 it's just that the page creator didn't have very good english :P 00:35:58 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 00:38:36 oerjan: ok :P 00:38:45 Gregor: :D 00:39:06 Why not semi-protect it? 00:39:21 PiRSquared17: because if protected, the spambots move to another page 00:39:25 the last time we had them 00:42:51 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 00:42:54 I wonder that nobody's attempted a Bayesian filter for wiki edits. 00:43:34 I bet that somebody has. 00:44:21 pikhq_: There is like 0% nobody has done that. 00:44:23 *chance 00:44:49 elliott: Then why isn't it in MediaWiki, anyways? 00:45:04 It probably is, as an extension. 00:45:12 pikhq_: Anyway, that wouldn't stop these Excela bora. 00:45:13 *bots. 00:45:21 bora, n. plural of bots. 00:45:25 ... 00:45:27 Why wouldn't it? 00:45:27 Plural of bot. 00:45:28 botses. 00:45:33 pikhq_: Because they're just reverting. 00:45:53 To any particular edit? 00:46:09 The first. 00:46:15 -!- tiffany has joined. 00:46:26 That's actually Bayesianable. 00:46:28 * tiffany wrote a brainfuck interpreter 00:46:36 And naive-filterable, for that matter. 00:47:08 pikhq_: Yes, if you want every edit sufficiently like the first revision to be flagged as spam. 00:47:17 Like, say... the current, very similar version of the article. 00:47:42 Bayesian filters work best for immutable "send-based" things IMO 00:48:14 terrible weather here 00:48:21 snow storm pretty much 00:48:28 I'd probably have the Bayesian filter be keyed to the patch on the new article... 00:48:44 As well as feeding it the revision message, and as much metadata as makes sense. 00:48:58 Still dunno how well it'd work; I'd imagine "pretty well", but I'd have to give it a shot. 00:51:12 if these bots really use rejection to decide when to move on to the next article, the best would be to silently ignore these edits, pretending they went through... 00:53:19 tiffany: hello 00:53:23 hai 01:01:22 -!- copumpkin has joined. 01:28:12 Gregor: Screen display should probably just be the pixels. TeX is good for printout. Other than for print preview, you don't need PostScript, PDF, or DVI, to display on the screen. 01:28:39 http://www.superlinguo.com/post/13909266605/this-is-the-presentation-on-lolcats-and-lolspeak 01:29:07 im not clicking that 01:30:20 its an actual academic talk 01:30:23 on lolcatese 01:30:59 no 01:35:23 augur: Wow. 01:35:30 pikhq_: :D 01:36:45 this lolcat bible has a lot of examples of what i would consider absolutely horrible lolcatese 01:40:37 "The __ctype_b_loc() function shall return a pointer into an array of characters" -- "const unsigned short * * __ctype_b_loc (void); 01:40:37 " 01:40:39 This function 01:40:45 It does not return a pointer into an array of characters. 01:41:09 Gregor: They're unsigned short characters. 01:41:26 elliott: They're unsigned short POINTERS 01:41:37 Gregor: Uhh, pointer to an array = ** :P 01:42:32 ... ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhofcoursethat'sjustretardedthough. 01:45:21 HUSSIEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!! 01:45:23 That should be sufficient. 01:46:10 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:46:18 So, ** doesn't really look like a pointer to an array to me. 01:46:51 I mean, I'd expect you to say that short is a short, and short* is a pointer to a short or array of shorts, so short** is a pointer to a pointer to a short or array of shorts. 01:47:41 The thing is, it says it's a pointer INTO an array. 01:47:43 That's what confused me. 01:48:28 Gregor: Well, it might point into the middle of an array? 01:48:33 Yeah, and it seems like a pointer into an array of shorts would be a short*. 01:48:53 Unless "pointer into an array of things" doesn't mean the same thing as "pointer to a thing". 01:49:55 That description left something to be lacking on many fronts :P 01:54:33 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 01:55:10 http://sprunge.us/WKaP <-- all the symbols not defined for bin/cp 01:55:13 And yet, it works :P 02:00:24 Well, who needs freading, anyway? I've never used it. 02:01:29 Apparently neither does cp 02:02:19 Astrological ages don't work. Instead, say what you mean. 02:02:54 `addquote Astrological ages don't work. Instead, say what you mean. 02:02:57 751) Astrological ages don't work. Instead, say what you mean. 02:03:18 Fffffffffffffffffffff 02:03:30 I essentially just have to implement scandir myself. 02:03:35 Or ... steal it from newlib? 02:04:05 zzo38: this may be a spoiler, but... Capricorn. 02:04:26 tswett: What about Capricorn? 02:04:51 It is not what it seems. 02:05:59 Capricorn is the astrological sign for 270 degrees up to 300 degrees. The 270 degrees (start of Capricorn) corresponds to the winter solstice and to the sun declination at the tropic of Capricorn. 02:06:31 (It is named after the constellation Capricornus but has nothing to do with that constellation) 02:13:32 oerjan: gah 02:13:34 oerjan: they do not just revert back 02:13:36 http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/w/index.php?title=Excela&curid=1863&diff=25903&oldid=25900 02:13:38 they change a link to spam 02:13:47 i said that duh 02:14:49 The astrological signs have nothing to do with the constellations? I thought that they corresponded roughly to the times that... come to think of it, none of the classical planets appear to move in a circle once per Earth year, do they. 02:15:25 actually, precisely one of them does. 02:15:37 Actually, the Sun does, if you ignore the rotation of the celestial sphere. 02:16:05 -!- tiffany has quit (Quit: nyu~). 02:16:21 So yeah, I would expect the astrological signs to have something to do with the movement of the Sun across the celestial sphere. 02:17:41 They've also ceased to have what little correspondance they once did. 02:21:18 Well, yes at one time they did approximately correspond to the constellations of the ecliptic they are named after, so yes the Sun will since it is also on the ecliptic. Some people still want to use that it is called sidereal zodiac, but even then, it is not quite corresponding to the constellations. Anyways, there are thirteen constellations on the ecliptic. 02:23:44 And two of the constellations the signs are named after do not have exactly the same name as those signs. 02:24:39 If this is confusing you can just measure directly in degrees (using degrees directly also allows you to do subtraction more easily) 02:27:56 elliott, tswett, kallisti, if you missed it, update. Sorry I'm delayed. 02:32:19 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:32:34 Oh, tswett already saw it 02:36:28 This is what someone wrote about monad: "My first thought was that a monad is what a man may only have one of after an accident." 02:37:16 zzo38: TOO SOON 02:37:39 tswett: u monad bro? :trollface.jpg: augh I want to kill myself 02:37:42 Sgeo: I request laughter, so as to indicate to the channel that my joke was funny. 02:38:15 tswett: oh come on, hitler has been dead for 66 years 02:39:05 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:39:18 ^ha 02:40:53 tswett, my conclusion that you saw it already was not based on reading #esoteric 02:41:41 oerjan: well, it's not about Hitler. You know the thing about Capricorn? 02:42:23 It's like the thing about Capricorn, except inverted, and instead of Capricorn, it's the conjugate of spades. 02:42:36 ^ul ((ha)(ha))(~:^:(. )*S( )~**a~^a~!*~:^):^ 02:42:36 ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha. ...too much output! 02:42:41 oops 02:42:42 You know. The card suit. 02:42:45 Does that clear it up? 02:43:02 tswett, I'm trying to get it, but I can only imagine a vague link between the things I think you're talking about. Except for when you started talking about spades, now I have no idea what you're talking about 02:43:05 tswett: i'm not aware of any capricorn monads. 02:43:09 At least in relation to recent events 02:43:17 Now, I wonder which ha is which... 02:43:26 ^ul ((HoNk)(hOnK))(~:^:(. )*S( )~**a~^a~!*~:^):^ 02:43:27 hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. hOnK. ...too much output! 02:43:30 -!- elliott has joined. 02:43:35 The first ha apparently does nothing. 02:43:37 Are you talking about card games? 02:43:43 Yep, definitely. 02:43:47 tswett: it was buggy, duh 02:44:46 Woooh ls 02:45:18 Gregor should read Homestuck. 02:45:26 NEVER 02:45:41 Clearly, if two artists are friends, and someone is a fan of one, they should be a fan of the other. Known fact. 02:45:46 ^ul ((ha)(ha))(~:^:(. )*S( )~**a~^!a*~:^):^ 02:45:47 ha. ha. ha ha. ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...too much output! 02:45:55 there you go. 02:46:00 ^def ha ul ((ha)(ha))(~:^:(. )*S( )~**a~^!a*~:^):^ 02:46:00 Defined. 02:46:13 Gregor, you do know that Hussie and North interact, right? 02:46:47 Gregor, http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=ryanquest 02:48:44 Sgeo: but see, I like Homestuck but not Dinosaur Comics. 02:49:05 I think your rule is broken 02:50:14 fibonacci has eh 02:50:17 sound good 02:50:20 IMPOSSIBLE 02:50:40 fibonacci is a pretty cool guy. eh has sequence and doesn't afraid of anything. 03:05:01 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:12:17 yay science http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/12/biggest-telescope-starts-obser.html 03:15:10 yay science 03:20:39 is that about the radio array in chile? 03:20:50 no. 03:20:53 oh 03:29:37 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 03:39:57 I can run all of linux-gnu-libc6 coreutils on Mac OS X :) 03:42:32 How? 03:45:48 pikhq_: gelfload 04:06:46 Awww, can't run urxvt :( 04:39:17 (Yet!) 04:43:01 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 04:50:20 kallisti, elliott update 04:50:24 tswett, you too 05:00:02 -!- PiRSquared17 has left. 05:01:09 -!- PiRSquared17 has joined. 05:02:33 -!- MDude has changed nick to MSleep. 05:03:28 -!- PiRSquared17 has left. 05:08:25 I was thinking, what would be the seasons between the tropics? The seasons are supposed to be reversed for the southern hemisphere but are they different between the tropics (including the equator, which is neither northern nor southern)? 05:19:37 -!- DCliche has joined. 05:23:10 -!- Klisz has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:46:46 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:47:55 -!- elliott has joined. 06:05:46 -!- Darth_Cliche has joined. 06:08:53 -!- DCliche has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 06:35:33 -!- elliott has quit (Quit: Leaving). 06:57:47 -!- Darth_Cliche has quit (Quit: You are now graced with my absence.). 07:16:33 -!- elliott has joined. 07:17:16 Sgeo: Update. 07:17:18 HA 07:17:19 HAH 07:17:19 HA 07:17:20 -!- elliott has quit (Client Quit). 07:23:43 -!- elliott has joined. 07:24:39 ha 07:27:40 * Sgeo puts a red X on top of monqy 07:28:19 How do you know what the geographic elevation is for a specific floor of a specific building? 07:29:14 monqy is broken image 07:29:25 broken monqy 07:29:27 broken life 07:29:58 Maybe there's an elevation table in the building's manual. (I suppose buildings come with a manual? I mean, they're expensive and all.) 07:30:07 Sgeo: hi 07:30:07 elliott: hi 07:30:16 hi monqy 07:30:18 I am using this in Free Geek Vancouver, so I can put it in a shell script that calls swetest (the Swiss Ephemeris test command-line program). The program has no option for using the current time, but the shell script I wrote will include the current date and time (using the date command) 07:30:18 hi 07:30:21 hi 07:30:28 tswetest 07:30:39 fizzie: I need to think of something to bug you abouts ince you talked? 07:30:58 it is rules 07:31:05 It is a silly rule. :/ 07:31:37 fizzie: Only because it exists solely to inconvenience you!!! 07:31:50 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:31:50 It's like atheism. 07:32:33 I don't think atheism's sole reason is to inconvenience me. 07:33:06 fizzie: UM, its sole purpose is to inconvenience GOD. 07:33:13 Hello? These situations are analogous? 07:33:40 Oh, "like" like that, like. 07:34:17 fizzie: Well, maybe it also exists solely to inconvenience you? The only conclusion one could draw from that is that you are god are you god fizzie. 07:35:36 I'm no god; I don't dare, otherwise oerjan would have a punch in the face for me. 07:36:00 fizzie: You made that sound profound somehow. 07:37:34 I mean I'd "totes" be a god except for the punch thing. 07:37:37 Funny, I wouldn't even think that it'd inconvenience god. Not possessing existence could inconvenience a deity, sure, but simply having people not think it exists shouldn't. 07:38:05 Gods run on belief, so... 07:38:17 (Source: Pratchett.) 07:39:22 Yeah, well, fuck 'em. 07:39:41 pikhq_: Excuse me god has feelings too? 07:39:59 elliott: And smiting. 07:40:02 I quote GOD HIMSELF on the matter, "I just want atheists to love me. :'(" 07:40:12 QUOTE (C)(TM)(R) GOD HIMSELF 07:40:36 * Sgeo is reminded of something that happened in #jesus recently 07:40:39 I suggest he smite evil for a bit; that'd at least help. 07:47:32 If seasons are flipped in the south hemisphere, then what season is it on the equator? 07:48:43 It's the +nan.0 season. 07:51:03 zzo38: "Equator" 07:52:34 The Wispumn. 08:19:27 hi 08:23:03 What should it be called if I make a Haskell library with some comonads for some of the monad transformers and some similar things? 08:23:13 zzo38: monad transformers from which library? 08:23:17 transformers, mtl, monads-tf? 08:24:10 transformers 08:24:39 transformers-comonads :P 08:24:47 OK 08:25:23 Obviously not all of them can make comonads, and some require additional constraints (although some of the constraints required to make monads do not apply in some cases to make comonads) 08:28:20 elliott, update 08:28:21 =P 08:31:06 kallisti 08:33:05 thanks 08:34:04 monqy is kallisti 08:39:10 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:58:37 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 09:28:30 -!- hagb4rd2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:30:32 -!- Zuu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:43:26 -!- cheater has joined. 09:57:02 -!- Jafet has joined. 09:58:57 Axe umlaut stream 10:01:09 hi 10:38:50 -!- elliott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:39:28 -!- elliott has joined. 10:57:46 -!- Ulysses_ has joined. 11:00:09 has anyone tried coding up the Black-Scholes options pricing formula in an esolang? Espen Haug lists versions of it in "multiple languages" at http://www.espenhaug.com/black_scholes.html but Malbolge, Piet, Homespring and the like are sadly missing 11:02:07 seems a pretty arbitrary thing to code :P 11:02:10 I doubt anyone has done so 11:02:13 you get to be the first! 11:02:50 Ulysses_: looks like it involves lots of floats and whatnot 11:03:00 malbolge and homespring are out at least, that's way too difficult 11:03:06 dunno how piet would be like 11:03:13 glass or something is probably the most realistic option 11:04:38 thanks Elliott: I'm barely a programmer, but have begun wondering about working with my children on a simple language. Thus, I've begun to wonder whether I could code B-S up in Kid's Ruby (or even Storytelling Alice). 11:05:02 The next thought, though, was why stop with children's programming languages. Why not full esolangs? 11:05:12 I mean, if finance is to be reformed... 11:05:21 Ulysses_: Well, there's a Haskell implementation on that page :-) 11:06:42 Ah - you detect my lack of programming ability: I'd not appreciated that that was an esolang (it's not on the esolang wiki's list of languages). I may have missed others as well 11:07:19 hehe, Haskell isn't actually an esolang -- it's just unconventional enough to be :) 11:08:03 ...and also well-liked by many people here; whether that's a coincidence or not is for you to decide 11:12:12 I've never tried to talk to the esolang community before (or even consciously used an IRC channel). Is this the best way to suggest what might be a fun project to it? 11:12:48 most likely; the wiki (http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Main_Page) is also a pretty good place for this stuff 11:13:08 but if it gains any traction people will hear about it, this isn't a big place :) 11:17:06 would it be OTT for me to suggest this on the wiki as well? If not, should I add B-S to the list of ideas? There is something nice about the idea of BS in BF 11:18:18 well the list of ideas is just for language ideas -- actually the best place is probably the forum: http://esolangs.org/forum/ 11:18:24 although it's quite inundated with spam these days 11:20:24 it's kind of you to distinguish my correspondence from spam. In any case, understood: I'll see if there's any traction here. Otherwise, what would you regard as the easiest esolang to set up and code in if I wanted to take a break from Kid's Ruby and Alice? 11:22:05 Ulysses_: no setup required -- our IRC bots can run esolangs :p (some of them are written in them) -- they respond to private queries too so no need to worry of clogging the channel or anything 11:22:10 ^ul (hello)S 11:22:10 hello 11:22:29 as for easiest, well, that's subjective :) brainfuck is obviously the most popular esolang by a wide margin 11:25:35 thanks. Please forgive any newbie question: if I wanted to use a BF superset or variant with a name that I wouldn't be worried about around my 3 - 8 year olds, what would you suggest? 11:25:44 "any" = "another" 11:26:17 well, there's Ook!, but that's rather harder to read :-P 11:26:39 a lot of people just call brainfuck "BF", pronouncing that is left as an exercise to the reader... 11:29:01 you could also use Befunge because it's awesome, though a bit more difficult to understand. 11:29:29 -!- elliott has left ("busy elsewhere..."). 11:32:16 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 11:32:43 -!- copumpkin has joined. 11:32:56 thank you kalisti. I think that I'll stick to BF. If I wanted to get a small version of it onto either a Linux or a Win 7 machine (ideally abbreviating brainfuck to BF), where should I start? 11:45:43 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:45:59 "Extreme Programming didn't lift off" - Carl Friedrich Gauss 11:57:55 Ulysses_: check out the wiki, there are plenty of implementations out there. You could even write your own easily. 12:01:16 -!- derdon has joined. 12:01:32 Of what? 12:01:33 Phantom_Hoover: You have 16 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. 12:01:37 ... 12:01:44 @tell elliott FFS the threshold is like 9. 12:01:45 Consider it noted. 12:01:46 @tell Phantom_Hoover Hi. 12:01:47 Consider it noted. 12:01:47 thanks kallisti - I'm a very novice programmer, so usually have trouble hello worlding without a reference manual nearby. I'll look through the wiki's links, but wondered if any of the implementationw were particularly easy to set up and use 12:04:32 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 12:09:09 -!- elliott has joined. 12:35:55 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:00:37 -!- derrik has joined. 13:03:07 awww yeah taking intro to advanced math next semester 13:03:11 should be good 13:10:36 are they going to teach you addition 13:10:37 elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 13:10:41 help 13:13:41 elliott: no I'm guessing like.... proofs? 13:13:47 though we might actually do some abstract algebra. 13:14:01 so yes, maybe they'll teach me addition! 13:14:01 proofs "advanced mat" 13:14:13 elliott: an intro to advanced math, yes. 13:14:28 elliott: anyway I'm basically taking it because it's required for topology. 13:15:32 hmmm, I'm going pretty far into the upper-level math courses. 13:15:35 * kallisti considers a minor. 13:15:52 also wtf why is there no algorithm analysis class this semester. 13:17:54 All the algorithms have already been analysed, perhaps. 13:19:43 not by me! 13:20:11 wooo I get to take databases now. so excited to learn absolutely nothing. 13:20:13 -!- oerjan has joined. 13:20:17 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Arran http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aran_Islands 13:20:22 Most confusingly-named things. 13:21:26 Phantom_Hoover: That first one looks pretty. 13:21:33 I don't really think that's very confusing... 13:21:35 It occurs to me that I have really low standards for prettiness in landscapes. 13:21:40 obviously arranged 13:21:56 elliott: that's because you live in a city, I imagine. 13:21:59 elliott, it is quite pretty, although I suspect that Minecraft has lowered your standards. 13:22:02 kallisti, aaaaaahahahahaha 13:22:03 kallisti: "...". 13:22:13 Hexham: big city for big people. 13:22:14 Do you even know what a city is. 13:22:18 Do you have cities in Georgia. 13:22:22 yes 13:22:36 Phantom_Hoover: In Georgia a "city" is anywhere with more than 3 people and a tree. 13:22:55 elliott, even then, Hexham only has two people, and no trees. 13:22:59 oh hexham isn't a city, okay. 13:23:03 Phantom_Hoover: Yes, but also an abbey! 13:23:10 That counts for like 2 1/2 trees. 13:23:37 (I suspect I may have actually passed through Hexham by train on Tuesday, but I have no evidence. 13:23:38 * 13:23:41 **) 13:23:49 Hexham is nearly THREE TIMES LARGER than my town in Georgia 13:23:52 Phantom_Hoover: It... isn't that hard to determine. 13:23:56 in fact, Wikipedia even refers to it as "the city of Jasper" 13:23:59 elliott, it is at night. 13:24:03 whereas Hexham is a lowly "market town" 13:24:11 Phantom_Hoover: Where was your starting point, where was your destination. 13:24:32 http://www.cozy-cabin.us/templates/uploaded_files/JaspeCityGuider.jpg 13:24:34 York, Edinburgh. 13:24:41 I'm going to go out on a limb and say Hexham is more densely-populated than this. 13:24:44 It is named after General Andrew Pickens, a Revolutionary War hero who fought the Cherokee in 1760 and 1782. 13:24:51 * kallisti has so much pride for his county. 13:24:58 he killed the injuns. 13:25:37 Phantom_Hoover: You... probably did. 13:25:43 Phantom_Hoover: What are you _sure_ you passed through? 13:25:52 elliott, even then, Hexham only has two people, and no trees. <-- nah i figure there are four: elliott, ngevd, elliott facekicker and elliott's mother. 13:26:04 Anything between various points A and B passes through the Hexham area because there's nothing else to pas through. 13:26:15 oerjan: um do you have any evidence facekicker elliott isn't my mother 13:26:19 Berwick, Newcastle. 13:26:25 elliott: darn you're right 13:26:26 elliott, facekicker moved out. 13:26:36 Phantom_Hoover: OK you passed through Hexham. 13:26:41 Phantom_Hoover: Why... why didn't you visit ;__; 13:26:46 I'm amazed it didn't explode. 13:26:58 Also the train didn't stop and the doors are infuriatingly hard to open while it's moving. 13:27:28 "The Old Gaol, behind the Moot Hall on Hallgates, was one of the first purpose built jails in England." Hexham, always at the cutting edge of progress. 13:27:48 Phantom_Hoover: Now we just build GRAVES. 13:27:52 For old people to die in. 13:27:53 Wow, the stupidest: W|A can't tell about the land area of Hexham or Lieksa. (It only knows population counts and location and current weather and such -- http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Hexham+Lieksa -- even manually asking for "population density" or "area" gives just "data not available".) 13:28:07 (In England it is customary to move into your grave up to three months before you actually die.) 13:28:09 "1,111 women employed as Sewers." 13:28:24 Phantom_Hoover: Yes the sewage system of Hexham is based entirely around women. 13:28:32 Have you ever seen The Human Centipede it's basically like that. 13:28:32 elliott, most places just use pipes... 13:28:44 I... 13:29:09 Phantom_Hoover: Yes but we like our water to have the unique taste that only all-female sewage systems can provide. 13:29:25 ... 13:29:26 What am I doing with my life. 13:30:19 lol 13:31:16 And just like that, nobody talked to elliott any more. 13:31:46 * kallisti still talks to elliott. 13:31:52 He said nobody. 13:31:56 You're nobody. 13:31:59 :( 13:32:14 but each person is a beautiful unique snowflake. Everyone is valuable. 13:32:55 * oerjan checks if kallisti is melting 13:33:04 i hear it's hot in georgia 13:33:18 !sanetemp 36 13:33:21 2.2 13:33:27 current temp in heathen degrees. 13:33:45 ok that's not so hot, but still too much for a snowflake. 13:34:02 oerjan, not necessarily, doesn't water start being weird below 4°? 13:34:10 Apparently it's only 3 C in Hexham, I am sceptical? 13:34:13 There is sun outside and all that. 13:34:41 Phantom_Hoover: it starts expanding when cooling, but i don't think that affects melting. 13:35:03 elliott, there's sun in the Antarctic too. 13:35:30 the sun here is just about setting, and there's snow on the ground. 13:35:40 Phantom_Hoover: I'm not warm in the Antarctic though ALSO are you trying to school me about Antarctica that is a VERY DANGEROUS PATH BOY 13:36:03 elliott: sheesh have you never heard of global warming and how it'll melt antarctica 13:36:06 elliott, are you a master of knowing things about Antarctica. 13:36:09 It's apparently -32.6 C at the South Pole right now. 13:36:21 BUT 16.4 in Ernest Shackleton which is apaprently in Antarctica? 13:36:27 Antarctica: WARMER THAN HEXHAM. 13:36:30 Phantom_Hoover: Yes. 13:36:41 Phantom_Hoover: You're still being dragged there some day. 13:36:53 elliott: well it _is_ almost midsummer there 13:37:05 elliott: are you sure Ernest Shackleton isn't just a person in antarctica and that's just his body temperature? 13:37:05 elliott, how many penguins are there in Antarctica. 13:37:23 kallisti: FOR TWELVE YEARS YOU HAVE BEEN ASKING WHO IS ERNEST SHACKLETON 13:37:24 oerjan: "For example, if the ground humidity is only about 20% (very rare, because if there is precipitation, the atmosphere is generally wet!) then it could snow at 8°C (or 46°F for English users)." -- http://www.sciencebits.com/SnowAboveFreezing 13:37:35 Phantom_Hoover: Exactly 4. 13:37:40 The current temperature in Edinburgh Airport is apparently 3°C. 13:37:46 fizzie: o kay 13:37:55 OMG Libertine has a °C ligature. 13:37:57 Phantom_Hoover: (There used to be 5, but he got lost and is currently in the Arctic.) 13:38:07 http://lrs.ed.uiuc.edu/students/downey/project/chinstrap.jpg <-- pic of lost penguin 13:38:10 elliott, what about the ones in Edinburgh. 13:38:12 fizzie: it snowed above freezing just a few days ago here. 13:38:20 Phantom_Hoover: They're very, very lost. 13:38:23 Phantom_Hoover: Please give them a map. 13:38:32 Current temperature at Otaniemi: 0.12 °C -- oh, outside.hut.fi now says "This service is permanently experimental & now twice as unreliable" in place of just "experimental & unreliable" it used to for quite many years. 13:38:58 elliott, OK, I'll throw them one when I go to glower at the pandas. 13:39:01