< 1323043243 922646 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you are correct < 1323043270 963286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323043285 528547 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot seems really unstable today < 1323043314 910605 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's practicing *really* lazy evaluation w.r.t. responding to pings. < 1323043316 692171 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1323043352 810298 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lethargic evaluation < 1323043532 895661 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just wrote a patch to make it more stable < 1323043577 991861 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1323043935 728626 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323043955 653679 :kallisti!~eris@h166.42.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1323044236 642664 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1323044267 57928 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: @admin - me all day. I'm sure it'll be satisfying. < 1323044349 613352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323044385 818596 :kappabot!elliott@95.149.243.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323044640 834708 :kappabot!elliott@95.149.243.54 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323045421 497734 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1323045831 905788 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: hi < 1323045843 479 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's you?? < 1323045858 269630 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : /win 4 < 1323045869 868668 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oops < 1323045911 142811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: your parole officer was here earlier < 1323045937 239045 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I noticed < 1323045951 921128 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha < 1323046226 677532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : git is dumb, why it has to mail stuff, instead of just connect to the site and put your stuffs there lol < 1323046226 770804 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : now you have to mail manually or configure smtp and shit < 1323046294 355492 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scratches head furiously. < 1323046494 979598 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323046649 560137 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1323046837 864434 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sceptical" < 1323046849 744718 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be that that spelling didn't look odd to me. < 1323046898 624679 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1323046950 250404 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So anyway, I think MID is a better choice than MOD. < 1323046952 47048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I always used to say skeptical but then I became TRUE BRITISH < 1323046956 122187 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe ... both? < 1323046957 235732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hokay :P < 1323046969 878048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Make the MID one just render to MOD >:) < 1323046973 551747 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then pass through < 1323046999 705168 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot: You're hardly true British. < 1323047016 48133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm truest British. < 1323047016 160521 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably don't even drink tea. < 1323047019 560530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I noticed that. < 1323047021 437911 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I do. < 1323047122 957074 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323047258 33757 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to think of other British stereotypes. < 1323047264 43909 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I'm sure they don't apply to you. < 1323047559 836117 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: heavy tea-drinking is one of those British stereotypes that is apparently true or something? < 1323047662 266848 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'll bet his teeth are all white and straight. < 1323047685 775881 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes! Your teeth must be perfect. < 1323047695 962355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What "teeth"? < 1323047744 692069 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the things that make gears work? < 1323047759 729212 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not clockwork. < 1323047793 314310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone write mollis for me for Christmas, please. < 1323047797 248046 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott crushes his food with a mortar and Union Jack before he shoves it in his mouthhole. < 1323047809 71633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S DISRESPECTFUL < 1323047833 484240 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Union Jack on a flagpole not the flag itself ha ha ha < 1323047837 314397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You do it. < 1323047866 679196 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do what? < 1323047872 286177 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write mollis for me. < 1323047910 771151 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8947D.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323047925 931486 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a mollis? < 1323047951 833518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: An ostensible port of durus to Haskell. < 1323047964 546190 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow Skype literally cannot go a few hours without freezing up inexplicably. < 1323047965 588825 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a durus? < 1323047997 311530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :durus is this awesome client-server-or-embedded file-backed persistent STM implementation; the only flaw is that it's written in Python for some incomprehensible reason. < 1323048279 703815 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: will you please kill me? < 1323048291 140390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1323048326 939838 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. if you devise a sufficient means I'll gladly fly to Hexam to complete arrangements. < 1323048604 942755 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why isn't the flag of Wales featured on Union Jack < 1323048615 485311 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't your nation's flag be so much cooler with A DRAGON On it? < 1323048620 279218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we hate wales < 1323048654 141302 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As Wales was not a Kingdom but a Principality it could not be included on the flag." < 1323048676 374803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1570998/Japan-offers-to-solve-Union-Jack-problem.html < 1323048677 844554 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you japan < 1323048718 408659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Are you done yet? < 1323048737 220125 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: With your molidur thing? < 1323048747 650764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Mollis./ < 1323048757 736491 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the debate, Albert Owen MP said that "we in Wales do not feel part of the union flag because the dragon or the cross of St David is not on it."[21] Conservative MP Stewart Jackson described the comments as "eccentric". < 1323048761 710396 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICK BURN < 1323048766 702699 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I finished but then it was slow because Haskell makes everything slow. < 1323048800 3434 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should have written it in Perl. < 1323048838 957851 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That's okay, I'm slow. < 1323048869 668386 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00652/news-graphics-2007-_652632a.gif come on < 1323048871 555269 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, I already deleted it. < 1323048875 320232 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know you want that dragon < 1323048876 600861 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Just write it again. < 1323048877 774080 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not doing all that work over again. < 1323049192 363523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you can get the internal GHC bytecode as output from GHC. < 1323049199 862205 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that's what -fbyte-code does. < 1323049346 990468 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that generates the external GHC bytecode. < 1323049373 306481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, -fbyte-code actually produces executables. < 1323049383 777265 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also -ddump-bcos. < 1323049424 583345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I just need to figure out how to make it compile an expression to a bytecode object and print its type. < 1323049426 812399 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -XNoNewQualifiedOperators -XExplicitForALl -XNoExplicitForAll < 1323049428 993477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good documentation. < 1323049473 238879 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, that's no the documentation. This is the documentation: < 1323049477 680659 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -XNewQualifiedOperators < 1323049477 734241 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Enable new qualified operator syntax < 1323049497 438289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the man page. < 1323049526 278068 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read my lips: no new qualified operators < 1323049526 435985 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-XNoFoo ~ No -XFoo < 1323049567 516649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "-XExplicitForALl -XNoExplicitForAll" < 1323049570 121192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheesh. < 1323049572 944651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the L part. < 1323049591 19360 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh. < 1323049600 747649 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is capitalization-blind, you insensitive clod! < 1323049606 114945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wish acid-state wasn't so annoying to use. < 1323049980 435978 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323050012 253221 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1323050200 215327 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmmm, maybe I /won't/ fail this class. < 1323050314 383238 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1323050465 454823 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi + sqrt(-1) :: Complex Double < 1323050478 221139 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell lambdabot come back plz < 1323051146 504730 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: "i" isn't even sqrt (-1). :-( < 1323051184 765529 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives shachaf a gold star. < 1323051187 715524 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD JOB! < 1323051192 150347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323051195 471306 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1323051199 658251 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're correct. < 1323051201 289121 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win the prize. < 1323051203 335781 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a gold star. < 1323051213 117933 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should feel proud. < 1323051216 436769 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't get it. < 1323051413 952122 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323054163 417701 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1323054214 416832 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323054214 506833 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1323054302 753588 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1323054944 23857 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1323055976 502777 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur < 1323056128 421182 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\n -> foldr (+) 0 [1..10^n]) [1..] < 1323056132 219320 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1323056148 390713 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, my name is kallisti, and I'm a lambdabot addict. < 1323056256 942847 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi my name is elliott and im a robot < 1323056308 901081 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude> map (\n -> foldr (+) 0 [1..10^n]) [1..] < 1323056309 726005 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :[55,5050,500500,50005000,5000050000,500000500000,^C < 1323056324 623928 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go, much better. < 1323056389 373803 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x ^^ y < 1323056393 907449 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hsertiuhssiudfhisudhfse < 1323056473 177363 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, as far as I can tell (^^) actually is repeated multiplication, but it also applies recip for negative exponents. < 1323056481 415697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (^^) < 1323056485 549591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just wait for lambdabot < 1323056487 695834 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1323056490 570095 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1323056493 137919 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :x ^^ 2 < 1323056493 911597 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yields < 1323056495 910826 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :x * x < 1323056500 277123 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :x ^^ (-2) < 1323056500 630632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh thats irrelevant < 1323056502 151020 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yields < 1323056505 231797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could just be the way Expr implements it < 1323056505 823255 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :recip (x*x) < 1323056506 358694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok < 1323056512 141642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that would work too < 1323056559 973915 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/base/latest/doc/html/src/GHC-Real.html#%5E%5E < 1323056566 846721 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it uses (^) in the definition < 1323056613 749848 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: Learn how to unmtl stuff manually < 1323056627 533542 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relying on lambdabot, as people in #haskell seem to suggest, is not a good idea < 1323056643 878509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1323056645 527931 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like GHC's comments. < 1323056646 598517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can install lambdabot locally < 1323056648 539305 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :very enlightening. < 1323056691 460572 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1323056709 459153 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323056739 900152 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if (^) and (^^) could somehow be the same thing? I think that would require dependent typing or some form of subclassing. < 1323056795 489098 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... a (^) method in Num but that sounds bad. < 1323056859 235034 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers are tricky. < 1323056894 76017 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe the person who hosts lambdabot is playing some kind of cruel prank. < 1323056898 242615 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO SHOW US OUR LAMBDABOT DEPENDENCE. < 1323056922 559015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cale < 1323056927 695778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it just has issues with disconnections < 1323056930 276646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i sent a patch to fix < 1323056936 818846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should get in the next time cale is present < 1323056955 884782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/54864 <-- my hideous patch < 1323057004 389844 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may add a plugin to my bot that runs lambdabot locally and then acts as a proxy between my bot and lambdabot so that I can have all of lambdabots commands. < 1323057009 531449 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION elegant. < 1323057033 887806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot has a command-line interface + an api < 1323057038 122835 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have @type and > but @type is kind of hacky < 1323057041 111206 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh. cool. < 1323057044 142431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1323057045 38389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't < 1323057048 372065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really don't want to compile lambdabot < 1323057057 8804 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1323057063 356034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy if you remove all the dependencies and thus make it almost functionality-free < 1323057066 363227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1323057074 717583 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I'm just awesome? < 1323057074 883893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) the codebase is really REALLY ancient and crufty < 1323057078 282716 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1323057079 76142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) it hasn't been updated in years < 1323057088 202325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c) the dependencies, like, don't work, there's internal conflicts at least on this system < 1323057094 282811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(d) < 1323057094 756253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e) < 1323057095 642304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f) < 1323057096 140435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1323057098 689129 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obvious solution: reimplement lambdabot's plugins in perl. < 1323057130 851226 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly @pl is just a series of regex substitions. < 1323057148 363357 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Racket have these sorts of issues with dependencies? Reason I mention Racket is I've heard good things about the module system < 1323057189 510421 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On 15 August 2008 he was awarded a knighthood. He is the first penguin to receive such an honour in the Norwegian army." < 1323057195 562562 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I can one-up lambdabot by having @undefine actually remove definitions. < 1323057271 499194 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the < 1323057272 690598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"issue" < 1323057276 499494 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the dependencies are specified wrongly < 1323057283 904653 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they don't specify lower bounds < 1323057286 915998 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the package was incompatibly updated < 1323057290 57359 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: glad to see the Norse are beginning to show penguin tolerance. 2008 marks the dawn of a new era, where Norwegians recognize that they're all penguin-like creatures inside. < 1323057295 659198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the "issue" is that lambdabot's code sucks < 1323057418 380513 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, as I establish clients from freelancing, I should start writing the most obtuse code possibly. < 1323057426 69133 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they must continue hiring me to maintain it. < 1323057456 323257 :Nisstyre!~yours@infocalypse-net.info PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: http://thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html < 1323057594 765667 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1323057612 873970 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :y a copy of a baby naming book and you'll never be at a loss for variable names. Fred is a wonderful name, and easy to type. If you're looking for easy-to-type variable names, try adsf or aoeu if you type with a DSK keyboard. < 1323057616 873565 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1323057620 33419 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^/buy/ < 1323057636 459192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :buyy < 1323057656 48748 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: shush < 1323057667 360920 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: what's funny is that I've actually seen code that had some of these features. < 1323057670 375856 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps not intentionally though < 1323057671 765532 :Nisstyre!~yours@infocalypse-net.info PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1323057675 445811 :Nisstyre!~yours@infocalypse-net.info PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too :( < 1323058479 713717 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overload the '!' operator for a class, but have the overload have nothing to do with inverting or negating. Make it return an integer. Then, in order to get a logical value for it, you must use '! !'. However, this inverts the logic, so [drum roll] you must use '! ! !'. Don't confuse the ! operator, which returns a boolean 0 or 1, with the ~ bitwise logical negation operator. < 1323058484 742284 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so good < 1323058646 710948 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" For pseudo-Esperanto pluraloj, add oj. You will be doing your part toward world peace." < 1323058757 492112 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that that's the most obfuscating thing there, I just like Esperanto >.> < 1323058935 354870 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs. < 1323059077 363502 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't even come close to most obfuscating thing. < 1323059101 191731 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest Japanising and romanising your names. < 1323059121 403034 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sinicising would be worse, but a bit more difficult to pull. < 1323059155 513005 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(int arugusii, char** arugubui) { ... } < 1323059215 35680 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(int ai=0; ...;...;) < 1323059236 840964 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh. purintsueffu. < 1323059288 324077 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, take more suggestion from that list. hůrinntue'hu < 1323059768 60995 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPDATE < 1323059826 310607 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323059898 185312 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, kallisti < 1323060033 169158 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1323060545 45173 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323060799 453057 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1323060891 236104 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/c2liK.jpg < 1323060895 553354 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eyes broken x.x < 1323060984 931370 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1323061670 163485 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1323061827 156301 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1323061841 693627 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo < 1323061903 430823 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kallisti < 1323061946 615615 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hey. < 1323061948 321233 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it going? < 1323061950 126364 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the world? < 1323061955 238862 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is lfie? < 1323061968 766788 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is life? < 1323061975 18543 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is...this? < 1323061983 647076 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1323062149 55014 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is blsshah? < 1323062387 165447 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets get together and discuss it over beers < 1323062399 562778 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre in like cumming or something right? < 1323063093 453247 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..no < 1323063094 517470 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1323063099 176640 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in jasper < 1323063100 509841 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :asshole < 1323063183 193472 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasnt off by much >.> < 1323063217 702353 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :one could go from cumming to jasper in under an hour yes? < 1323063258 494384 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1323063294 592566 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :one can go a lot of places in an hour with a hellicopter, what's your point? < 1323063321 282622 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1323063351 378185 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is i didnt remember where you are, just that it was generally north of atlanta < 1323063365 429592 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish these cans of Busch Light < 1323063368 839531 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :weren't in a Yuengling case < 1323063383 238675 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it increased my expectations for how it would taste. < 1323063387 903496 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i dont understand why confusing jasper and cumming provoked that repsonse < 1323063397 135649 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it shouldn because huengling sucks too < 1323063403 713316 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1323063405 121586 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're mad. < 1323063410 688228 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay we can never hang out ever. < 1323063429 242910 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINE < 1323063429 296116 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuengling light maybe. < 1323063431 460744 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yuengling is like < 1323063443 529475 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MOST AMERICAN FUCKING BEER YOU CAN GO DIE YOU UNPATRIOTIC SCUM. < 1323063448 511601 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1323063454 464414 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck patriotism < 1323063463 317751 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah fuck it. < 1323063469 10954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :points: US sucks, Georgia sucks, beer sucks, particles suck, existence sucks, logical consistency sucks < 1323063476 601902 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the commercial brewers, sam adams is far more patriotic < 1323063478 163487 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vanishes < 1323063482 769066 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what < 1323063483 187810 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1323063495 233204 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because it has a patriotic name does not make it patriotic < 1323063498 103888 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuengling is the FIRST < 1323063499 954235 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does < 1323063501 890449 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first american beer. < 1323063511 714998 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well < 1323063512 840031 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1323063514 344615 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever. < 1323063526 424231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me < 1323063527 628296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made some < 1323063528 987263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good point < 1323063529 366629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1323063530 303924 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: logical consistency is the best. < 1323063530 813813 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott sucks! < 1323063536 558088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1323063541 767729 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1323063542 114858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least i am contradictory about it < 1323063550 360976 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ofuck logical consistency < 1323063555 89610 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so confused < 1323063555 381698 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1323063556 701500 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :about where I stand < 1323063559 96118 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :on logical consistency < 1323063589 193414 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its such a good thing to have, we can honestly say no one should have it < 1323063608 529866 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :towels are so good < 1323063612 47527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever a towel < 1323063614 124707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a really nice towel < 1323063615 284062 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why drink beer that's not-good anyways? < 1323063622 149654 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why drink < 1323063623 102158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why exist < 1323063623 449148 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: cheap. under 21. < 1323063627 383732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why ovulate < 1323063631 11634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why be < 1323063632 133545 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why elliott < 1323063633 102488 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: also elliott makes very good points < 1323063635 212301 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these questions and more < 1323063637 551216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :answered yesterday < 1323063640 189741 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why art thou romeo < 1323063650 244232 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not romeo < 1323063660 841261 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: please agree with me that yuengling is not disgusting and is actually pretty good. < 1323063662 337466 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1323063662 944518 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the low low price of $25,000,000! (per question. no refunds. offer not valid in the state of California) < 1323063664 608779 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :all roads lead to romeo < 1323063670 982430 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I haven't had it yet, so I can't comment. < 1323063675 297309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :how to be a toucan | The IOCCC is back on! http://www.ioccc.org | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1323063679 862598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know how to be a toucan < 1323063683 134910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help? < 1323063686 620482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aid me in becoming toucan < 1323063686 968056 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have studied. < 1323063691 471761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: toucan facts < 1323063694 436527 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: That said, it certainly doesn't fit in the category of "all-American pisswater". :P < 1323063696 345145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: toucan the night away < 1323063701 888204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: are toucans all-american pisswater < 1323063703 421920 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: even better. < 1323063705 394680 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: and yes it does < 1323063707 205377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: are toucans people < 1323063712 779169 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: it's definitely an American beer < 1323063720 894060 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIRST. FUCKING. AMERICAN. BREWERY. BITCHES. < 1323063724 404318 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is definnitely pisswater < 1323063726 408500 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: The noun "pisswater" is key there. < 1323063734 582852 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: oh you mean light beer. well, no. it's not that. < 1323063753 339813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION piss water < 1323063764 431906 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there is yuengling light. but don't ever drink that. < 1323063780 898652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION piss yuengling light < 1323063781 936562 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though it is marginally better than most light beers) < 1323063787 627778 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Congrats, you can legally sell that as Bud Light. < 1323063802 669350 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: bud light "infinity and beyond" quotes < 1323063810 606619 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should make a modded starcraft map where you can upgrade zerglings to yuenglings. < 1323063877 343146 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a VHS/DVD combination recorder. It can copy VHS to DVD if it is not Macrovision, it can also copy unfinalized DVD to VHS. Do you know if there are any ways to bypass the Macrovision and other things? < 1323063879 11301 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: do elephants celebrate christmas < 1323063901 881725 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: toucan meaning of life < 1323063904 825257 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: toucan secrets < 1323063910 900927 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: toucan mathematics < 1323063917 582015 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: toucan string theory < 1323063923 209462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: is the universe toucans < 1323063937 778403 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: validate me < 1323063937 833693 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: why do toucans prove ftl < 1323063965 805661 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: silent night true meaning < 1323063989 336805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: what happens if you shred people < 1323064027 89295 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: are toucans monoids in the category of endofunctors < 1323064058 772135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: toucan < 1323064093 243844 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: how to win debate with toucan < 1323064094 772131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: toucan cheese < 1323064099 281775 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: toucan byproducts < 1323064102 590035 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: human cheese < 1323064111 948609 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: does breast milk coagulate < 1323064126 992989 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: do toucans eat their toucan cheese? < 1323064131 736767 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can end your search elliott, knowing that it is possible < 1323064136 736827 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: There's several devices that strip the Macrovision off an analog signal. < 1323064151 799048 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the macaw saw what the leopard spotted, then the toucan can and you can too. < 1323064161 18710 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably couldn't do that to the single device there without a lot of work, though. < 1323064191 803999 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is macrovision that noise-adding thing? < 1323064224 999296 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, it's the "add shit to the VBI so that automatic gain control breaks" thing. < 1323064269 887436 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1323064334 473593 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: hi < 1323064356 84304 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\f g x y -> f x (g y)) < 1323064356 416549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip . ((.) .) < 1323064367 936763 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x y -> f x (g y)) < 1323064368 171481 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(. g) . f < 1323064373 463339 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1323064387 790669 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\y x -> f x (g y)) < 1323064387 930229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip f . g < 1323064413 749424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it has my ROBUSTNESS patch, god I hope not. < 1323064439 737760 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: toucan fixed-point combinator < 1323064458 756458 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: robust toucan zygotomorphism  < 1323064465 131441 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently some dvd players have loophole menus where you can turn off macrovision < 1323064473 796137 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not that converter tho < 1323064483 363540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, he's applying it. < 1323064487 821772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP lambdabot 2011-in a few minutes < 1323064491 947726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not 2011 < 1323064515 30484 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip elliott < 1323064534 128365 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cale will assimilate you into his leet prelude < 1323064536 69518 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for failure < 1323064564 446604 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh dude if I rewrite lambdabot in perl I can make CAKESKELL < 1323064635 64726 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cake.Data.List, yessss < 1323064679 532197 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :length = genericLength; length' = Data.List.length < 1323064690 523328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thanks < 1323064696 940781 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :length xs :: Double < 1323064713 733401 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so? < 1323064730 419092 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :length xs :: Complex Rational < 1323064735 597160 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromIntegral . length $ xs :: Double < 1323064738 317016 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are not things likely to not be mistakes. < 1323064745 463873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: yes, with an explicit conversion. < 1323064754 495138 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :integers /are/ a subset of reals and complexes < 1323064756 619669 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell "implicit conversions go away" < 1323064761 986188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: yes, but Double isn't Real < 1323064776 776153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you're working with integral data, using Real is the Wrong Thing to do < 1323064778 298535 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :integers /are/ a subset of floating point numbers, and complexes < 1323064786 428874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not true < 1323064790 734443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would accept (Integral b) => [a] -> b < 1323064801 422786 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t genericLength < 1323064803 404003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b i. (Num i) => [b] -> i < 1323064816 98475 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's reasonable < 1323064898 321292 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just haven't really encountered a situation where I might have accidentally used a Double when I did not mean to. < 1323064957 318279 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps if you forgot that (/) doesn't perform integer division. < 1323064981 276553 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a somewhat likely scenario < 1323065192 312342 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but intuitively, from the perspective of basic algebra, integer division isn't even a thing and typically you can treat both fractional and integral numbers as being generic "numbers." it would make sense if Haskell followed this looseness, and I think the only people who might get thrown off are "experienced" programmers expecting arithmetic operators to behave as they do in other languages. < 1323065251 315034 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but consider: sum ls / length ls < 1323065274 362660 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fledgling Haskell programmer might try to compile this and be surprised to find that they get an obtuse typeclass error. < 1323065336 796257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ping < 1323065346 507783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: A fledgling Haskell programmer will make many mistakes if they just write random things and expect it to wrok < 1323065347 815732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :work < 1323065457 631320 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really a defense though. You're simply saying they will make mistakes. Some of these mistakes could still easily be blunders of language design. Most non-Haskell programmers would not expect an error from that, and neither would someone familiar with algebra, statistics, etc < 1323065505 443601 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> genericLength [a,b,c,d,e] < 1323065508 843933 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1323065517 821469 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> genericLength [a,b,c,d,e] :: Expr < 1323065518 800562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 + (1 + (1 + (1 + (1 + 0)))) < 1323065520 103917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: haskell is not algebra/statistics/etc. < 1323065531 444762 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure. < 1323065534 310551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if haskell tried to interpret all the ambiguous mathematical notation out there, it'd be a sloppy, useless piece of crap < 1323065550 936376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :explicit conversions is one of haskell's defining features < 1323065552 19983 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I simply think basic numbers are something it could concede on. < 1323065572 493720 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And computers require different treatment of "numbers" than everyone is really used to. < 1323065580 702434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: how often do you miss a fromIntegral < 1323065585 680680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's often you're doing something wrong < 1323065592 201092 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not often. < 1323065594 459271 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens though. < 1323065610 334152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type errors happen, that's why we have a compiler that catches them before the program runs < 1323065634 576440 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree certainly. < 1323065634 666705 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with elliott that length :: (Integral b) => [a] -> b -- is preferable. < 1323065642 298950 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's safer, yes. < 1323065651 16558 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and much better than Int < 1323065660 663144 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still allows conversion to Num < 1323065666 794493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would just go for Integer to be quite honest if not for one thing < 1323065677 757672 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely, with Integral you can define a generic peano naturals type < 1323065680 641420 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use it to do lazy length comparison < 1323065690 21960 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that length [0..] > (5 :: Nat) is true < 1323065693 934486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very useful < 1323065701 986152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and avoids wasting work by traversing the whole list even for normal cases < 1323065716 843735 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, using floats where you mean integers *will screw up*. < 1323065745 240927 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1323065747 557277 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit iffy about them even being Nums, TBH.\ < 1323065784 328730 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't genericLength more like using an integer as a float? (in the more specific case we're discussing) < 1323065787 184158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can give Float a reasonable Ord by breaking the IEEE spec for NaNs so that's ok < 1323065792 553392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num is < 1323065794 98676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehhhhhhhhhh < 1323065796 945512 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Num just has to go < 1323065800 446641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not even worth thinking about < 1323065803 958816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't object to Nums being Fields < 1323065805 575400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1323065807 643832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't object to floats being Fields < 1323065808 745611 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, Num is a pretty bad typeclass. < 1323065812 331030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1323065821 613172 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no point creating a whole mirrored hierarchy of "almost s" < 1323065830 154429 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: it provides a number of useful hacks, though a better typeclass hierarchy could probably do the same. < 1323065835 178243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you have to be careful with the properties when using floats < 1323065850 417178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's more like your whole program is taken as an approximation of a computation on the actual rationals/reals < 1323065857 793839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the individual values being approximate < 1323065858 338941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO < 1323065866 297838 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's justified to make them instances: also because it's really convenient < 1323065883 95483 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no I think we should remove Float and Double and only use CReal < 1323065884 785147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other part of me objects to htis though because I want our interfaces to come bundled with proofs that their properties hold < 1323065888 638990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't do that for floats < 1323065902 541042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not without a custom equivalence relation that you specify to be "close enough" for floats < 1323065908 828294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with formal bounds on close enough for each operation, but still) < 1323065915 118913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*this < 1323065928 340839 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I... think it would be okay to concede on that for floats. because they're very useful. < 1323065942 240692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you don't understand what I said < 1323065942 793903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1323065945 885157 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for like, programs that do things rather than programs that serve as mathematical proofs. < 1323065945 938369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not about conceding < 1323065961 304325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Monad should contain the proofs that it follows the monad laws, that's simple as < 1323065968 615053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that doesn't follow those laws should not be allowed to be a Monad < 1323065971 650980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not controversial at all < 1323065976 952503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't "just compromise" < 1323065980 117399 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about how you define the typeclass. < 1323065984 747646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the whole benefit of proof carrying is that < 1323065998 393601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- you can optimise aggressively based on the properties with /NO RISK/ of anything "going wrong" at runtime, it's 100% safe and type-safe < 1323065998 879998 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: floats aren't monads though. how is this relevant to what I was saying. < 1323066017 945181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- you can use these properties in larger proofs of correctness - this is NOT a mathematical thing, this is about real programs < 1323066029 49077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- etc. < 1323066032 429414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: because Field is just like Monad < 1323066045 96613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an interface < 1323066047 635995 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a structure < 1323066051 540003 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is a viable replacement for floats? < 1323066053 178530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a formally-defined set of operations and rules < 1323066059 95502 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: did i say there was one < 1323066060 253956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i say < 1323066062 211879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :floats aren't useful < 1323066062 373233 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1323066063 601754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i say < 1323066064 878215 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want floats < 1323066065 421694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1323066069 774114 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was just a question. I was curious. < 1323066082 381247 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kallisti what is a viable replacement for oxygen < 1323066089 994740 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering all the boundless anti-oxygen sentiment you've been expressing lately < 1323066109 755487 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so would floats still be treated as "numbers" in this typeclass hierarchy? < 1323066117 450385 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Float + Float = Float < 1323066129 990109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're mixing up a bunch of things i said. < 1323066135 897100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what typeclass hierarchy, what are you talking about < 1323066140 94575 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to clarify. < 1323066143 980605 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you appear to read my messages non-linearly < 1323066156 708588 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mix ones after i explicitly change the track of what i'm saying to ones previously < 1323066203 602021 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1323066206 963598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: i can't clarify something that i have no idea the basis of, so... < 1323066235 423595 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm assuming Field etc which have formal laws of their correctness would not take over the syntax of simple arithmetic? < 1323066242 782387 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Float cannot fit in those < 1323066244 33520 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1323066244 86519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1323066246 769244 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not obey those laws < 1323066259 436894 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still nice to say "lol 0.5 + x" < 1323066263 606262 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just giving up on this because i explicitly said i was of two contradictory minds for different reasons and needed to reconcile them < 1323066264 139451 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1323066268 138505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also your questions are stupid < 1323066274 305681 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there are devices that strip out Macrovision, such as time base correctors. I do not have a time base corrector but I have a analog->digital->analog converter that among other things, removes macrovision (it also removes captions and everything other than the picture). But I don't know if that can be used in this VHS/DVD recorder. < 1323066294 712646 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perhaps I missed that part. < 1323066305 961155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : the other part of me objects to htis though because I want our interfaces to come bundled with proofs that their properties hold < 1323066306 17925 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and you can't do that for floats < 1323066313 13527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things i say don't make sense if you skip lines < 1323066485 143716 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so how about: keep "Nums as Fields" with Floats being a Field and obeying properties as approximate calculations of rationals/reals, and then have a seperate typeclass (or a convenient way to remove non-precise instances such as floats) for formally correct computations? < 1323066509 866050 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323066511 970413 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my response would be a long list of "you do not understand X, Y and Z", so I doubt you want to hear it. < 1323066520 813923 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no these are good < 1323066524 506850 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are usually missing from your responses. < 1323066600 183904 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't understand why dependently-typed languages matter. you don't understand why proof-carrying matters. you don't understand why formal properties matter. you don't understand why one cannot simply make proofs "optional" addons. you don't understand how proof carrying allows for very advanced and aggressive optimisations. you don't understand how proof carrying ensures very high levels of securit < 1323066600 242960 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y statically at compile time. < 1323066605 363697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's enough for now < 1323066691 553586 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you really want, you can ask in greater detail about why i think these things. you will get better results for the more specific statements < 1323066721 247655 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was going on the premise that proof-carrying matters when attempting to devise a solution. < 1323066726 8713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I forgot: you don't understand how proof carrying allows for distributed computing etc. without trust in any direction < 1323066782 86683 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what I'm saying is that you're basically talking about two different typeclasses. < 1323066800 433157 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is proof-carrying and one isn't < 1323066811 28744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution to having a problem with an abstraction < 1323066819 929673 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not to "rip out" (not a well-defined operation) the problematic parts < 1323066827 748841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and call this half thing a "new abstraction" < 1323066838 66734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplying complexity does not solve anything < 1323066864 387113 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1323066891 43617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : at least not without a custom equivalence relation that you specify to be "close enough" for floats < 1323066891 217485 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (with formal bounds on close enough for each operation, but still) < 1323066891 271297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : *this < 1323066895 173307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one possible option, for instance < 1323066909 431052 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you recover the original behaviour by requiring the relation to be equality < 1323066918 345000 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it feels inelegant < 1323066930 763003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :albeit giving the best possible properties for "precise" types and floats alike < 1323067048 257622 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: does this help you understand my position? < 1323067062 449406 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1323067095 457180 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you would need to incorporate laws into the typeclass system rather than having them as friendship pacts, so that a) typeclasses could specify some rules to be optional b) optimizations could be specified in the language itself for instances that obey a particular set of rules c) you can opt out of rules that your instance doesn't obey d) you can define functions that allow you to satisfy those rules (in an < 1323067105 466293 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to have it all as one typeclass I mean.. < 1323067264 206283 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship pacts? < 1323067309 63108 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think you would need to incorporate laws into the typeclass system rather than having them as friendship pacts" < 1323067309 265042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I am saying is not even related to typeclasses; my system has no typeclasses. also, it's not "incorporated" into the system, and they're *certainly* not based on honour, that would defeat the whole point. the context is a dependently-typed language, and if you don't know how they can do logic and proofs then you understand them even less than I claimed < 1323067309 318744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a) typeclasses could specify some rules to be optional" < 1323067309 589149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. this does not aid a solution, at all. it makes matters a billion times worse by throwing away *every* *single* *benefit*, adding additional hassle, and giving incredibly suboptimal results even in the float case < 1323067312 536190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"b) optimizations could be specified in the language itself for instances that obey a particular set of rules" < 1323067315 740255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely irrelevant to the issue at hand. yes, optimisation is but one benefit of proof-carrying, but it... is simply not relevant here, I only mentioned it as one of the reasons proof-carrying is incredibly important. < 1323067318 625951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"c) you can opt out of rules that your instance doesn't obey" < 1323067320 870890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahahaahahaha < 1323067322 651812 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"d) you can define functions that allow you to satisfy those rules (in an" < 1323067324 729756 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was chopped off. < 1323067389 666175 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a like how you switched the context to dependently typed languages without telling anyone. < 1323067393 342023 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a/I/ < 1323067401 12980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1323067402 29673 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1323067408 755305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"proof-carrying" < 1323067411 819461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was a pretty big hint < 1323067415 450334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you actually knew what you were talking about < 1323067421 134371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by hint, I mean literal outright statement < 1323067564 574444 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't aware that dependently typed languages are the only context in which proof-carrying can be talked about. < 1323067632 99066 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the context was functional languages + formal proofs soooo... and anyway, it's not really relevant that a dependent language is the setting; with a term like "proof-carrying", the idea that the "proofs" might just be gentleman's agreements is not even a possibility < 1323067634 419089 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db41996.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323067659 70826 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right. < 1323067771 464798 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f2c1.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323068880 227386 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323069678 769856 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-173.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1323069678 823300 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-173.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1323069678 823432 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1323069826 29606 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1323070257 22942 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1323070272 314102 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make all of your leaf classes final. After all, you're done with the project - certainly no one else could possibly improve on your work by extending your classes. And it might even be a security flaw - after all, isn't java.lang.String final for just this reason? If other coders in your project complain, tell them about the execution speed improvement you're getting. < 1323072790 335248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1323073085 102415 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-248-106.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1323073115 5358 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1323073184 70982 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-246-67.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1323073242 956456 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323073299 734147 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1323073999 59318 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm smalltalk could potentially be abused in polyglot languages. < 1323074004 987092 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as " is used for inline comments < 1323074083 361219 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something like "\" would comment out most languages but leave smalltalk available < 1323074096 657289 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a subsequent " would begin a smalltalk comment and end the other-language string < 1323074112 596987 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming multi-line strings are legal. < 1323074115 93251 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, update < 1323078138 38283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323079374 685776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1323080270 849516 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323080705 58215 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1323081515 121014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323082205 812367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=32100 (found via proggit); wow at the first comment < 1323082241 903555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the whole page is cringeworthy, but the first comment is particularly bad < 1323082879 169421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone on Reddit described the attitude as "Pokémon exception handling"; I hadn't seen that before, but it's a good name for it < 1323083211 158125 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (*) 0 [1..10] :: Expr < 1323083227 768116 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1323083231 679048 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1323083252 175389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -> < 1323083257 88041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1323083259 104139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> _> < 1323083261 235206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1323083273 905645 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually times out on my bot running mueval < 1323083279 249452 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl does not < 1323084261 386694 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe they don't want to implement finally because they don't know how. :3 < 1323084305 734699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: that was mentioned in the thread < 1323084310 429755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Reddit, I thikn < 1323084466 349115 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the languages employers turn to when writing the software that makes the world turn are C/C++, Java, and PHP, in that order. C# is a close 4th, then everything else is a niche. < 1323084470 977687 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's actually Java up top. < 1323085180 413674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1323085425 636728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323085475 602671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what do you call the things made with Flash that are basically interactive animated vector images, and have nothing to do with (compressed) raster video? < 1323086076 451412 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CEBC.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323086744 505204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323086805 872091 :ais523!~ais523@147.188.254.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323086812 907752 :ais523!~ais523@147.188.254.178 QUIT :Changing host < 1323086812 960904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323087424 536788 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ....flash? < 1323087439 496876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: not really specific enough < 1323087444 849548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps "flash animation" would be the right name < 1323087534 790045 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1323087623 994740 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CEBC.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323087819 975273 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323087987 978192 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1323088408 640675 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still stuck on the 10th level of the MESH - Falling Hero demo < 1323088410 16325 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1323088416 273422 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :right side's solved, left side I'm stuck on < 1323088638 351312 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's zzo38/myndzi when you need em < 1323089411 20979 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-not < 1323089476 476095 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: and in case you aren't familiar with it the N -> D conversion is done with the subset construction (which can be extended for alternating -> deterministic as well, see my master's thesis for instance) < 1323089530 727637 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically let your NFA A have state set S, then what you do is you take the set of subsets 2^S as the states of your new DFA A' and have as your new initial state the set of all initial states of A. < 1323089563 644610 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the transitions are given by having the transition U -> U' (where U, U' in 2^S) with label a if U' is exactly the set of states A can reach from the states U with label a < 1323089598 981079 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the final states should then be just the sets containing at least one final state; it should be immediate that A' then accepts the same language as A. < 1323089659 289539 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you then need to minimize the DFA, for that you can just first assume that final states are separated from nonfinal states (exactly finals accept the empty word), and then keep separating states into smaller and smaller sets (making the eq relation of states finer) until all labels from equivalent states lead to equivalent states < 1323089684 93397 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and ofc drop unreachable states and states from which final states cannot be reached except a single sink state maybe, depending on your formalism < 1323089721 340565 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conversion from regexps to NFA is very simple, OR is trivial, concatenation is just connecting final states to initial states, and kleene star is done by doing the same but to your own initial states < 1323089771 662120 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you have two minimal DFA, just start from the initial states of each, and you'll find correspondence of states, if one exists, by just following the labels. we know that minimal DFA are unique up to this sort of isomorphism, so you get your answer from that. < 1323089804 259901 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you left the channel before i had time to answer, but that's not really my problem < 1323089955 474143 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1323090176 930181 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't really explain minimization very clearly, but you can think up the details with little difficulty < 1323090897 259379 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1323091745 835718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant: Oracle and Google are arguing over whether the word "runtime" in a patent should be given its ordinary-language meaning < 1323091774 890445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oracle claim it should be, and that that meaning is "during execution of the virtual machine"; Google claim it needs an explicit definition as "during execution of the virtual machine instructions" < 1323091784 534316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering when the judge is going to yell at them that it obviously doesn't matter < 1323091808 643533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they both agree that the term has the same meaning, they just disagree over whether the court needs to specifically define it as having that meaning < 1323091812 75532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, why does that matter? < 1323091876 610662 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323092206 884978 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is immune to sleep deprivation now. < 1323092242 486681 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said, collapsing. < 1323092285 24040 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have until 11. to finish a paper i made last summer and i just realized it's like the sloppiestly written paper ever < 1323092287 430200 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and i dont understand why confusing jasper and cumming provoked that repsonse <-- the closer the places, the more violent response to confusing them, duh < 1323092335 239720 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna be a long saturday :))) < 1323092563 257163 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : aid me in becoming toucan <-- i'm sorry i'm over quota on fowl puns < 1323092970 168606 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: write a perl script to fix it up. you'll be fine. < 1323093463 31072 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323093831 450088 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refereed a paper and broke it. < 1323095220 9956 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, fire alarm < 1323095226 790660 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just got back from a really obvious fire drill) < 1323095240 125235 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only thing that'd have made it more obvious would have been being announced in advance < 1323095243 631869 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*) < 1323095329 760477 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WE WILL BE SETTING FIRE TO THE CANTEEN IN THIRTY MINUTES; EVERYONE PLEASE BE PREPARED FOR THE FIRE DRILL" < 1323095764 106991 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1323096157 437508 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1323096387 885370 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it reminds me of an unexpected early-morning fire alarm at my secondary school < 1323096397 334283 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, it's because the detectors detected "HEAT" in the kitchens < 1323096408 616401 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought, the kitchens are somewhere heat would be quite likely, surely? < 1323096432 147741 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think < 1323097983 884190 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it meant more heat than usual < 1323098259 853805 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1323098547 108138 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott best not have left me any lambdabot-messages. < 1323098557 359307 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, lambdabot doesn't seem to be here. < 1323098562 248209 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO I GUESS I'LL NEVER KNOW < 1323099028 329654 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is elliott, anyway? < 1323099763 704916 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1323099956 174461 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1323099973 173980 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323100343 179852 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323100364 111137 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1323100532 184021 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1323100771 666955 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Better question: Where is lambdabot? < 1323100810 381628 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELLIOTT IS LAMBDABOT < 1323101249 512168 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print int(rand(2)) < 1323101252 318983 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1323101261 195221 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, I love pseudo-random decision making < 1323101298 580424 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1323101516 852157 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Man, I base most of my life on pseudo-random decision making. < 1323101977 502635 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually just ask my dick and i then rarely even bother to listen < 1323102661 161577 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All power to penis < 1323103341 622420 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's a great excuse to slack off. < 1323103349 574115 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when you haven't been slacking off very much in the past few weeks. < 1323103472 631182 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes that SQL injection were still a thing you could do. < 1323103490 646056 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one day I'll find that horribly insecure site and exploit the shit out of it. < 1323104049 502815 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012 < 1323104056 26689 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: have you seen this shit < 1323105602 541436 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fuck did I buy a red bull < 1323105614 139502 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm, it tastes good. maybe it tastes better when you don't sleep much. < 1323105640 26822 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only problem is that it's way overpriced for the caffeine content. < 1323105657 322157 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, recently I've started /not/ binge drinking caffeine < 1323105666 275775 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instead drinking small amounts throughout the day < 1323105669 922267 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it works better. < 1323105937 100209 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hi hi hi < 1323105966 563171 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this Red Bull can mysteriously says "Rexham" o nit < 1323105978 989119 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it scod for HEXHAM < 1323106001 59843 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :KING HEXHAM < 1323106010 54985 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :REXIMUS MAXIREX < 1323106017 359054 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION latin < 1323106881 885421 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323107042 786335 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: bye < 1323107048 738854 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1323107358 123976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1323107489 806095 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hihiii < 1323107513 990769 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you just feeling silly or does caffeine do this to you? < 1323107564 483436 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no slep deprivation < 1323107583 19786 :blodeuwedd!~blodeuwed@178.105.105.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323107661 53521 :blodeuwedd!~blodeuwed@178.105.105.24 QUIT :Client Quit < 1323108978 44464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log coincidence < 1323109013 961972 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-05-03.txt:18:06:13: Maybe they just repeat naturally, or maybe it's just a coincidence. < 1323109137 455823 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323109847 381896 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1323109849 765468 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1323109851 312414 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1323109855 323668 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1323109891 270733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:44:35: hmm, what do you call the things made with Flash that are basically interactive animated vector images, and have nothing to do with (compressed) raster video? < 1323109892 582342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: animation < 1323109897 361949 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or game < 1323109912 894874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if there was a general term < 1323109932 267179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash :P < 1323109935 915012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, "a flash" < 1323109946 97744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube has a flash player, but the individual videos aren't flashes < 1323110010 864469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if this has anything todo with Shockwave + whatever the other thing that was merged to make Flash was < 1323110049 356893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: shockwave still exists, if you can believe it < 1323110056 310074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can < 1323110060 832394 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as in, "is still updated" < 1323110062 835548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can also believe that Quicktime still exists, but don't know for sure < 1323110072 526814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Realplayer < 1323110081 5494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as web browser plugins, I mean) < 1323110099 232951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: quicktime is obviously still updated since it's still a core part of OS X :P < 1323110102 198367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as a browser plugin too) < 1323110123 844671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, realplayer is on version 15 < 1323110167 882276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't figure out the difference between shockwave and flash < 1323110172 781958 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't help that flash used to be called shockwave flash < 1323110178 853163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, Mozilla, iterate version numbers faster to beat it! < 1323110182 187669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: still is in my plugins list < 1323110208 590603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : quick, Mozilla, iterate version numbers faster to beat it! < 1323110217 350352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that wouldn't be mathematically sound! < 1323110229 996416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox's version-number is the fastest-growing possible function < 1323110312 400568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think one of the best things about Adobeacquiring Macromedia (wow, that happened in 2005) < 1323110321 663695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that Adobe ended up with like < 1323110323 527921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :five duplicate products < 1323110337 370255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they had to justify < 1323110338 473174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as recently as 2005? < 1323110341 719071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1323110343 704449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why didn't they just merge them? < 1323110356 231884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how do you merge two codebases? < 1323110366 158487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :merge features, rather than code < 1323110372 702249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the codebases happen to be similar, which is unlikely < 1323110389 752277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1323110399 113124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you're asking "why didn't they discontinue one" :) < 1323110427 913295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1323110429 215023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between the Flash and Shockwave Players? < 1323110429 269164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash and Shockwave Players are both free Web Players from Adobe. Together, they bring you the best rich media content on the Internet. Each has a distinct purpose. Flash Player delivers fast loading front-end Web applications, high-impact Web site user interaction, interactive online advertising, and short to medium form animation. Shockwave Player displays destination Web content such as interactive multimedia product demos and training, e-merch < 1323110429 269354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :andising applications, and rich-media multiuser games. When you download Shockwave Player, it automatically includes Adobe Flash Player. < 1323110440 451259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "why didn't they discontinue one and give a migration path from it to other versions" < 1323110459 859510 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, umm, Flash is for animation and interactivity, Shockwave is for applications, or something < 1323110481 624102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.shockwave.com/home.jsp ;; which is to say, games < 1323112404 382187 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1323113066 845024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: christmas spam :D < 1323113083 262446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you contacted graue yet? it's becoming impossible to follow recentchangs < 1323113084 22997 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :es < 1323113085 234175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been going on for a while < 1323113086 707030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I haven't < 1323113094 228171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1323113100 39875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm something like three days behind with my work as is < 1323113117 51005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, looks like smjg has < 1323113124 831264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't like to bother him with something that's under control, in that the spam can be cleaned up very quickly < 1323113180 758235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not under control if it massively disrupts the wiki... < 1323113211 439806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it disrupting anything but Recent Changes? < 1323113246 404039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a rather major thing to disrupt; furthermore, it's disrupting everyone's time because we have to constantly revert [[Excela]] < 1323113264 93984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hardly the first person to complain that it's severe < 1323113994 404953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, emailed Graue < 1323114051 953162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in a week graue will return, post a message saying "sorry for not reading email, I've been busy etc. etc. etc.", op Timwi, and leave < 1323114057 701477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION calls it now < 1323114065 693752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: more admins wouldn't help, I made that pretty clear < 1323114074 991681 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: stop it it < 1323114076 284696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurst my joke < 1323114078 306928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre killing it :( < 1323114436 874719 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: y william hearst < 1323116337 822453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323116974 421353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1323117066 231932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote man, I love pseudo-random decision making kallisti: Man, I base most of my life on pseudo-random decision making. i usually just ask my dick and i then rarely even bother to listen < 1323117068 852382 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :745) man, I love pseudo-random decision making kallisti: Man, I base most of my life on pseudo-random decision making. i usually just ask my dick and i then rarely even bother to listen < 1323117144 445672 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol :D < 1323117291 828394 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1323117292 275789 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1323117292 793817 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1323117293 315465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1323117293 832799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1323117297 211008 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :80) Warrigal is the Harlem Globe Frotter < 1323117297 352554 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :360) [...] OOPS.. my cockfile got destroyed < 1323117299 604861 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :172) Why do you use random acronyms you know we don't know the expansions of? alise: TLAAW < 1323117311 905243 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :539) What does "life" actually mean, anyway; it seems to mean "this thing that's infinitely greater than all my actual hobbies that I do all the time because I rule" < 1323117312 220687 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :264) (the former is a very deep theorem, i'd have had to read the whole book to understand it, so i didn't.) < 1323117347 552323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm was that about the SL = L theorem < 1323117352 790492 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of those suck :( < 1323117356 560024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log (the former is a very deep theorem, i'd have had to read the whole book to understand it, so i didn't.) < 1323117377 302519 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1323117432 49441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1323117434 762069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand 80 < 1323117443 636505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're too young < 1323117448 266668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not funny though) < 1323117464 360945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :80, 360 and 172 are pretty bad < 1323117472 462542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [t]hhe former is a very deep theorem < 1323117477 654944 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1323117478 872714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thhe former < 1323117483 965119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oopd < 1323117488 521492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [t]he former is a very deep theorem < 1323117494 177544 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-02-05.txt:02:09:38: `addquote (the former is a very deep theorem, i'd have had to read the whole book to understand it, so i didn't.) < 1323117498 698117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my speling, were diddit goo < 1323117501 10347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`logurl 2011-02-05.txt:02:09:38: < 1323117503 30335 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2011-02-05 < 1323117521 253070 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, not that day or the previous < 1323117532 536204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i said it in privmsg? < 1323117546 694695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh probably < 1323117554 27050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case i won't have the logs of it < 1323117558 663909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you log; if not rip < 1323117560 25798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1323117560 810936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the line's < 1323117561 469911 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :history < 1323117561 836965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1323117579 318725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [t]he former is a very deep theorem < 1323117584 640723 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-02-05.txt:02:09:38: `addquote (the former is a very deep theorem, i'd have had to read the whole book to understand it, so i didn't.) < 1323117597 242712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pastelogs, dude < 1323117603 602743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1323117608 692756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs [t]he former is a very deep theorem < 1323117615 422514 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.21522 < 1323117625 254812 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1323117629 567525 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was one of my logreading additions < 1323117635 768347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i failed to mark appropriately :( < 1323117651 350354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wow, we only had 291 quotes in feburary < 1323117651 900300 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`qc < 1323117653 700760 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :745 quotes < 1323117657 36923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*february < 1323117665 188669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`logurl 2010-06-07.txt < 1323117667 414613 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2010-06-07 < 1323117677 255236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:59:39: I kind of feel like devising an abstract algebra. < 1323117677 401181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:59:59: they've all been invented already. probably. well, the simple ones. < 1323117677 456055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:00:19: * oerjan was reading about medial magmas/groupoids recently < 1323117677 456154 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:01:13: one operator (call it *), fundamental equation: (a*b)*(c*d) = (a*c)*(b*d) < 1323117677 456196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:02:43: hmm, post on rgrn < 1323117679 446583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:02:45: surprisingly, there are interesting consequences. if * is surjective, then it's essentially a kind of linear function, and all linear functions of two variables have this property. < 1323117682 242642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:02:49: umm, ali < 1323117684 194654 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:03:00: two newsgroups which probably have more of an overlap than they ought to < 1323117686 159552 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:03:11: but a post on rgrn is not surprising, and a post on ali is < 1323117688 203508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:03:19: it was asking about how to implement the factory and singleton patterns in INTERCAL < 1323117690 265423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:03:24: (the former is a very deep theorem, i'd have had to read the whole book to understand it, so i didn't.) < 1323117705 776587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one < 1323117707 424296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: omfg! < 1323117721 304982 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that log, by complete coincidence, contains one of the /other/ programming games < 1323117727 780552 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I couldn't for the life of me find < 1323117741 597817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the SL = L theorem was just another one where i didn't bother to read the whole book/article :P < 1323117750 226812 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:19:32: Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use regular expressions." Now they have two problems. < 1323117750 382340 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:19:37: Some people, in an effort to sound intelligent, quote other people. Now they look retarded. < 1323117750 436717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:19:47: Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I'm going to grab a sandwich." Now they have two problems because the sandwich is poisoned. < 1323117750 436883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:20:01: Some people, when, now they have, a problem. < 1323117773 434762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i think that may have referred to earlier articles about the graph techniques they used < 1323117813 578043 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't say I've created two problems from a regex for more than 10 minutes at most. < 1323117841 238359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is a famous not-Zawinski quote. < 1323117847 170930 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1323117913 798380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big question is whether zzo38 used regular expressions to generate those quips < 1323118027 728170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you are assuming incorrectly that those aren't all direct quotes :P < 1323118043 189232 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :observe < 1323118044 533598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Some+people%2C+when+confronted+with+a+problem%2C+think+%22I'm+going+to+grab+a+sandwich.%22+Now+they+have+two+problems+because+the+sandwich+is+poisoned.%22 < 1323118056 865791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Some+people%2C+in+an+effort+to+sound+intelligent%2C+quote+other+people.+Now+they+look+retarded.%22 < 1323118070 102869 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Some+people%2C+when%2C+now+they+have%2C+a+problem.%22 ;; ok this one wasn't a direct quote < 1323118114 416816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i have to assume if i'm going to make any asses < 1323118188 930731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote well, i have to assume if i'm going to make any asses < 1323118191 169256 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :746) well, i have to assume if i'm going to make any asses < 1323118223 113596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts his fishing hook away < 1323118352 164512 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :746 is a lot of quotes < 1323118392 795347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we're approaching quote singularity < 1323118413 596225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moment where all quotes are bad < 1323118414 891150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1323118415 263815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1323118415 402848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1323118415 730970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1323118416 56913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1323118424 603081 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :721) but yeah the caliphates expanded their empire by conquering people and then forcing them to either convert to Islam or die. [...] i thought it was sort of, convert to islam or pay extra taxes, but i guess it varied a lot. < 1323118425 301428 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :539) What does "life" actually mean, anyway; it seems to mean "this thing that's infinitely greater than all my actual hobbies that I do all the time because I rule" < 1323118431 964730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT THAT ONE AGAIN < 1323118436 670778 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :83) My mascot is a tree of broccoli. < 1323118436 723870 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :682) it's not a list of /all/ interesting esolangs, btw; otherwise you can take the first command from the first esolang, the second from the second, the third from the third, etc, then add 1 to all of them and you get a new interesting esolang diagonal principle… < 1323118436 889050 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :626) Let us discuss the correct procedure for converting LP -> FLAC The correct procedure is: you put the LP into a flatbed scanner, scan it as a Windows .bmp file, and then rename that file to .flac. < 1323118461 243354 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323118464 461981 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1323118467 336996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 83 < 1323118470 571678 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* My mascot is a tree of broccoli. < 1323118482 394531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually thought that one was cute < 1323118493 140332 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a girl? < 1323118506 901378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it's just Gregor crossdressing < 1323118517 983720 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1323118521 545152 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-96.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1323118526 476884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well propose a worse one that's there :P < 1323118567 231653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're just being mean :P < 1323118610 430395 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine < 1323118611 671298 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1323118612 773162 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1323118644 346858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er i just had a really bad idea < 1323118658 226988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1323118669 517892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo < 1323118671 206987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :will it cause the end of life as we know it? < 1323118672 734399 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 cheers < 1323118684 494467 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not quite. but my hard drive might fill up < 1323118693 613820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. even worse, then. < 1323118700 601276 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even worse! < 1323118701 94131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1323118703 343794 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1323118731 641784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what if i wrote a bot to download every url mentioned in here as it is linked. < 1323118735 848125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then < 1323118739 235285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hook it up to the logs < 1323118740 669496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in the future < 1323118754 14117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see the links.... as they were... then........... < 1323118756 183937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a terrible idea wow < 1323118769 779794 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically uses up gigs of disk space for really tiny amounts of nostalgia in the far future < 1323118791 685528 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you mean when url format is superceded? < 1323118804 482332 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-96.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1323118807 151866 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's totally what i meant < 1323118834 525514 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when dns is replaced with a non-deterministic ai system where you just make natural language enquiries into the address bar :-? < 1323118855 739767 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ... < 1323118858 709059 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll stop < 1323118861 637531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: that's called google < 1323118866 599245 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I think he means a esoWayBack < 1323118867 261096 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1323118872 129568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least many people use it that way < 1323118890 454977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if google is used more than dns these days < 1323118890 745128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1323118891 882845 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not internally < 1323118893 186500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but by people < 1323118895 970593 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ais_isnt_here_so_I_dont_remember_this_number: MUSIX < 1323118897 74504 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think: probably < 1323118898 78777 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but you know the best language for that project? < 1323118902 576329 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what < 1323118902 697459 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: it's perl < 1323118904 376418 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's 523 < 1323118907 897317 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: MU6 < 1323118912 815359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: help < 1323118950 22487 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: MU < 1323118962 598805 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: by me it is. "darn. i forget if company foo is .com or .org .. i better visit google to check" < 1323118968 64205 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HELP < 1323118972 147353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i do that too sometimes < 1323118974 91066 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SIX < 1323118978 722297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: IM CRYING < 1323118984 438982 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IIRC, both you and ais wanted me to musix some musix musix. < 1323118995 620168 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1323119007 447753 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: are you fedoragirl? < 1323119008 125162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well AII isn't quite at that stage yet :P we're still toying with the physics code < 1323119017 827247 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais was a separate thing < 1323119083 273153 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Although we both have long hair and hats, we are distinct persons. < 1323119109 203949 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm also a girl who neither uses Fedora GNU/Linux nor wears fedoras." < 1323119111 656915 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok cool < 1323119118 427836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :F- would not google again < 1323119138 267988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fed, or a girl? you decide. < 1323119144 68031 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will also keep an eye out for redhatboy < 1323119158 489801 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fed or a freak < 1323119190 804028 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and blackhatyouthofindeterminategender < 1323119219 631505 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would /nick to something but I'm on a lot of channels. < 1323119230 189157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's why it's fun < 1323119231 879481 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott:do you feel better now? < 1323119236 950024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :than what < 1323119244 583856 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :than when you were crying < 1323119271 380093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't < 1323119272 710500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually crying < 1323119275 358399 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1323119353 47847 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have my brain in particular is so terrifyingly painful that i should rather be a moth made to flap my wings by an electrical current < 1323119371 506774 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323119391 2825 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1323119628 485037 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log aii < 1323119634 587024 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-05-02.txt:06:21:16: There's also Hawaii that doesn't do DST. < 1323119645 84388 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1323119657 684968 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So glad we have `log :P < 1323119667 679099 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs aii < 1323119673 307754 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1013 < 1323119694 93428 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a very weird pastelog < 1323119773 342908 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could be best expressed as roger did < 1323119777 261064 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log aiiigh < 1323119781 497173 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-05.txt:21:16:17: `log aiiigh < 1323119794 65491 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log aiiigh, < 1323119798 881148 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-05.txt:21:16:34: `log aiiigh, < 1323119819 664130 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-10-17.txt:00:20:41: aiiigh, my brain < 1323119842 119655 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1323119850 645068 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006-09-18.txt:23:42:27: Waiiiiiiiiiiit ... < 1323119853 137702 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm still waitin'. < 1323119860 867963 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waitin'? < 1323119873 589642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAITIN' SINCE 2006 < 1323119877 221719 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs axiomatic < 1323119879 628762 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :P < 1323119881 330410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs aargh < 1323119883 197979 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.26644 < 1323119886 308740 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.18420 < 1323119931 493317 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwow < 1323119935 237583 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was quite the conversation in 2006. < 1323119949 336126 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are really painful pastelogs to read < 1323119956 187175 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:43:55: Your teeth aren't up your ass. < 1323119957 188764 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:44:07: thats what my awkward doctor told me though < 1323119959 195943 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:44:16: Is this a prison doctor? < 1323119961 203202 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:44:54: Did he then tell you that sleeping with strippers is good for preventing lung cancer or something? < 1323119964 209595 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:45:00: I dunno I met him on the corner of my street < 1323119999 964348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :waht < 1323120006 64616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: painful? < 1323120020 834128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-01-10.txt:23:08:36: what's a costum enviornment... and how does it change the axiomatic grand law of python's print statement? < 1323120022 933146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: what < 1323120104 816851 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2452 SMBC is so great. < 1323120105 516050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :costume cost, um < 1323120139 236752 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-07-27.txt:09:52:24: on an LCD, the color displayed on the screen has no impact on power usage! aargh < 1323120139 716569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323120145 32082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1323120149 961515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ais back < 1323120161 289920 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned to make my lcd screen turn itself off after my first one died < 1323120164 536367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im and ais back < 1323120168 235006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ijd a < 1323120172 903676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;/ ;;; ; ; < 1323120180 750251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek i broke elliott again < 1323120189 395889 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: MUSIX < 1323120253 342097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ? < 1323120265 138621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try bashing just next to the power button, that usually helps < 1323120271 674940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't hit the power button itself ofc, for obvious reasons) < 1323120302 554758 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: MU6 < 1323120345 34216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: elliott: IIRC, both you and ais wanted me to musix some musix musix. < 1323120354 269206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, thanks < 1323120383 276317 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Pff < 1323120384 64014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I actually said that; I discussed that I was writing a game, plus music for it, and was stuck with where to go with parts of it < 1323120394 835813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I thought that might be it but wasn't sure < 1323120443 427458 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nintendo never really did anything cool since inventing super mario bros. 1 and legend of zelda 1 < 1323120461 400428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: that's kind-of a sweeping statement < 1323120497 825103 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wii? BORING < 1323120523 750721 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent actually seen a wii up close < 1323120527 875261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have been quite a lot of Nintendo consoles since the NES < 1323120540 611549 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: have you played super mario galaxy < 1323120543 630525 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't think that game is cool < 1323120546 830279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're probably not human??? < 1323120563 73629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe still a human < 1323120565 739013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not an expert on humanity < 1323120591 113411 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my comment more or less answers your question < 1323120591 742815 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6 < 1323120598 349362 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps explains my whole confusion < 1323120616 46293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1323120624 717220 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent actually seen a wii up close < 1323120635 323291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1323120638 273771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm trying to figure out the best way to send the channel a music file (I have it in .rg, .mid, .ogg, .pdf) < 1323120640 68937 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ i havent emulated wii games < 1323120648 108864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't go close to them to play them :P < 1323120656 382230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :emulating wii games sounds terrible without the controller < 1323120658 387469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a boring open-source soundfont, but it still sounds reasonably good) < 1323120675 633485 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: write a program that outputs the .ogg < 1323120678 658104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: depends on the game, some of the best wii games don't really care about the motion controls < 1323120700 915813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, OK, but the wiimote is pretty unconventional even then < 1323120702 991010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh /ouch/ YouTube's home page has got ugly < 1323120712 37918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed < 1323120729 567382 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. its like windows xp turned into windows 3.1 < 1323120738 206400 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. its growing on me quickly < 1323120742 295059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I recommended Metroid Prime Trilogy to someone when they asked me what Wii games to buy < 1323120791 630544 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps interface change is initially percieved as ugly, but after mere exposure we start to appreciate it < 1323120814 232754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"change upsets people", a controversial statement < 1323120844 336941 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1323120852 312570 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :change kills people >:-) < 1323120882 457062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: that's why it's illegal to throw pennies at unpopular players during a football (soccer) match < 1323120910 689462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :football (soccer) < 1323120928 261761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't you mean "association football" >:) < 1323120938 166002 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke is wikipedia) < 1323120955 384891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, Wikipedia has reasonable redirects from all possible guessed disambigs for that, I think < 1323120967 605904 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football < 1323120969 562660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they missed one! < 1323120975 683851 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's some irrelevant article instead < 1323120987 478669 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so its a tuesday here.. enough of my angst < 1323121000 422306 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to be positive < 1323121111 398346 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/?db=comics&id=1164#comic < 1323121385 867986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is now christmas day in three timezones!!! happy birthday ais523 < 1323121407 55019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: go reboot elliott again for me, would you? < 1323121443 708582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bashes next to the power button < 1323121446 497772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Broadcast message from root (pts/0): The system is going down for reboot NOW! < 1323121484 743569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1323121490 500907 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1323121502 246924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1323121509 527082 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: < 1323121515 989080 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1323121520 577709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the esoteric programming channel! Check out < 1323121538 301142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to the esoteric programming channel! Check out < 1323121545 979178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Topic for #esoteric is: < 1323121551 994340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: he's having to load a lot of stuff in the background < 1323121558 780382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'll get a bit of thrashing for a few minutes < 1323121567 602450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IOCCC is background so you'll get a bit of thrashing < 1323121603 958133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loading Markov models (43/768248)... < 1323121632 571135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loading Markov models (5963/768248)... < 1323121637 652239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1323121642 814207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1323121649 976328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1323121653 484527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1323121656 324830 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1323121658 140626 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1323121664 328210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1323121667 242079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1323121687 478105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loading Markov models (23312/768248)... < 1323121693 260544 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1323121698 769650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi help < 1323121717 187215 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loading Markov models (101049/768248)... < 1323121723 397283 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1323121726 98775 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1323121727 551818 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1323121729 48071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help what < 1323121730 26589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1323121732 902554 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi what help hi oerjan what help < 1323121740 141968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: go talk to elliott < 1323121740 778109 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i had always deemed strange, but as she continued her choking he reached feebly in his fnord past the bidding of the vulgar, but by close questioning obtained a very picturesque legend of the fnord < 1323121743 855632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm not elliott! < 1323121744 859159 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: imaginations of all the prevailing horrors, we were still drifting south, meanwhile sinking deeper and deeper into that treacherous and sinister white immensity of tempests and unfathomed mysteries which stretched off for some fifteen hundred miles to the fnord, and gnarled, were of absorbing vividness and convincingness, and whenever he awaked he retained a vague sense of having undergone much more than he had been < 1323121751 376327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loading Markov models (768247/768248)... < 1323121752 870450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi what help ok < 1323121753 42120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1323121753 131821 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft* nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1323121754 125029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe we should send him in for repairs < 1323121754 706034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 help what ok < 1323121758 847401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what help hi hi hi hi hi help what ok < 1323121761 638104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that explains it < 1323121767 162403 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loading Markov models (768248/768248)... < 1323121774 520149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been restored to an adequate level of loquaciousness. < 1323121791 803106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully the garrulity endowed by this upgrade shall endeavour to produce most pleasant statements for the considerable enjoyment of yourselves. < 1323121816 50559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke is that the first 768247 out of 768248 models just contain "hi", "help", "what" and "ok", laugh) < 1323121820 280677 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fnord past the bidding of the vulgar < 1323121820 481390 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but whatever had happened, they did lift for a second < 1323121880 997719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have cthuliftoff < 1323121901 815897 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kinda wish i knew what a markov model really was, but im probably in bliss by not knowing < 1323121998 296274 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if a cylinder is an extruded circle, and a cube is an extruded square, and a box is an extruded rectangle < 1323122004 980423 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323122007 156882 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1323122010 610738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: you're thinking of the word "prism" here, I think < 1323122012 977037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: hi < 1323122014 395916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least should be < 1323122042 213655 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but suppose a prism is concave < 1323122061 214254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, what? extruding always creates a prism < 1323122063 937186 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't < 1323122074 246260 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A prism is pretty damn convex < 1323122074 745303 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1323122081 174154 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1323122082 312530 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the cross-section is concave < 1323122083 351355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have a prism with a star shape base, say < 1323122083 679414 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok again < 1323122097 344059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shaped < 1323122101 11176 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a moon shaped prism? < 1323122106 870333 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What phase? < 1323122116 959173 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which moon? < 1323122122 86310 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno... like a banana < 1323122135 323087 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1323122136 163250 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a banana-shaped prism? that's a banana < 1323122136 450782 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1323122138 33134 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1323122141 510477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Show a) => Show (IO a) where show m = "return " ++ show (unsafePerformIO m) < 1323122150 705733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea y/n < 1323122157 705590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bananas so far have been remarkable un-prism-like < 1323122159 45285 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1323122160 925365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*y < 1323122162 299846 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YES < 1323122171 793667 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok like a C shape as a prism < 1323122186 400373 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very safe, but should be fun < 1323122186 786748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ignores precedence < 1323122186 922842 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's be concave, but not due to its prisminess < 1323122194 77943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that would obscure the intent :P < 1323122196 803263 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an extruded C shape < 1323122210 749959 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like a halfpipe i guess < 1323122214 616784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could at least have added parentheses < 1323122217 968842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmph < 1323122219 673612 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, what I just said < 1323122234 284585 :yiyus!9802bonex@je.je.je QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323122234 696665 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or used showsPrec to produce parens only when necessary? < 1323122234 812736 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well would it be a prism? :D < 1323122242 62109 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1323122258 679123 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prisms can be, but are not inherently, concave < 1323122310 853754 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno what made me bring it up.. < 1323122334 37580 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do all platonic solids have planar edge graphs? < 1323122347 473949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a prism is the product space of an interval and some subset of R^2. < 1323122356 610832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: yes, obviously < 1323122371 365509 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect. < 1323122377 888262 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now NOBODY CAN STOP ME! < 1323122416 596785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more generally, a graph on a sphere is also planar < 1323122429 86487 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a torus? < 1323122458 672897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just choose some point on the sphere outside the graph and project from it < 1323122474 46789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :torus, i don't think so < 1323122476 682846 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :K3,3 can be drawn on a torus, but is not planar < 1323122486 268029 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect. < 1323122494 365170 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now NOBODY CAN STOP ME! < 1323122496 520484 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVEN LESS! < 1323122505 563865 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or more, I'm not sure < 1323122525 334382 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your lack of stoppability inspires awe among your peers. < 1323122526 296118 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem of drawing K3,3 on a paper without crossing lines went all around my school in 4th or 5th grade, no-one solved it (=> it's unpossible) < 1323122557 246436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it would only be impressive if one of you managed to actually prove it impossible < 1323122574 270389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know how to amplify with alsa? < 1323122582 147072 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my volumes are at 100% but it's still quiet < 1323122603 717910 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it would. I have no idea how to go about proving that < 1323122607 90305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, gotta edit config files for it < 1323122662 220146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm might need the jordan curve theorem < 1323122764 948362 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok something which to me as a newbie seemed interesting just occured to me < 1323122778 470746 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE894EA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323122790 999517 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hit us < 1323122797 991076 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not literally < 1323122819 191608 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :only hit ngevd < 1323122828 616960 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323122833 909965 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323122848 158661 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you have a string of length N on a piece of paper... and you curve it into a circle on that piece of paper < 1323122853 614050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Plugin `dummy' failed with: thread killed < 1323122854 137671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1323122857 427211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just out of curiousity, though, what *is* up with lambdabot? (i.e. the one on this channel right now? < 1323122857 850106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : got patched to be more reliable < 1323122880 935749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to swat elliott but i guess he's miserable enough. < 1323122885 549473 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a combination of rotations and translations? < 1323122892 465713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1323122903 835675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU BROKE LAMBDABOT < 1323122909 942321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY PATCH HASN'T BEEN APPLIED YET :P < 1323122916 312660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1323122929 749095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good i didn't swat then. < 1323122947 77442 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me that twisting a straight thing into a curve should really have a unique name for that geometric operation < 1323122954 582526 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... rather... < 1323122955 505034 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1323122973 591580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: rotations and translations turn straight lines into straight lines. < 1323123011 789299 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you took water filing a cube and poured it into a long thin rectangular prism < 1323123011 991747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is something called a mobius transformation, though... < 1323123016 407397 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have you done to the water? < 1323123023 766665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can turn lines and circles into each other < 1323123061 550846 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess its a scaling operation in a way... < 1323123078 779492 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you uhhh < 1323123100 862025 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a rectangle of ratio x:y where x+y = z .. < 1323123108 20919 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you alter x and y but maintain z < 1323123118 845234 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess thats probably scaling < 1323123132 763055 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stretching < 1323123136 309926 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :z in this sense should probably be called 'a' to avoid confusion < 1323123137 640287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: it's a linear transformation < 1323123151 698460 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scaling would be x/y = z I think < 1323123166 930608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring that real water would be mixed in a chaotic way < 1323123177 495877 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ignoring such things is important < 1323123203 20057 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :-s < 1323123287 405132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :any translation, rotation or scaling, and some other things besides, can be written as a map \x -> A x + v where x is a vector variable, v a constant vector, and A a matrix. < 1323123290 794792 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that since more or less all shapes can be approximated as polygons, then the rotate scale translate tends to be enough < 1323123303 864496 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.... < 1323123326 546603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr: hint is too limited < 1323123342 148275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1323123351 397922 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i suppose that it is one delusion to approximate an object with polygons.. it is another delusion to suppose an object ever remains the same between any 2 measurements < 1323123361 203622 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it seems to have no way to compile an expression to bytecode, get its type, and then use it in the context of another expression < 1323123363 827331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: you may have to divide it into pieces that are transformed differently, though. < 1323123381 768124 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im having a weird day... trying to think normal but failing < 1323123405 970986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :math isn't really normal thinking, many normal thinking people are bad at it. < 1323123447 566853 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maths is what should be normal but isn't < 1323123657 147548 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used the example of a string since a string is good at behaving normally < 1323123678 590543 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it gets set on fire < 1323123681 287260 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it doesn't really change it's nature when you twirl it < 1323123682 419594 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wet < 1323123706 853806 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas if i had a rectangular prism and i tried to curve it < 1323123707 991575 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1323123711 869810 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have to slice it up < 1323123726 54280 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or stretch bits < 1323123737 42546 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stretching is pretty mind blowing < 1323123778 959335 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1323123802 801231 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. a rectangle.. the left side is the same length as the right side < 1323123819 366183 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you were to "curve" the rectangle.. < 1323123835 399244 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the ratio of the lengths of the sides would have to alter < 1323123875 598886 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is where a fluid would come in handy < 1323123969 479656 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess that a string can bend like it does because that on molecular level it is made of atoms < 1323123977 126749 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fluid of atoms < 1323124002 703450 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrugs* < 1323124055 449159 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1323124090 857939 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323124221 952463 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-70.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1323124241 768905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: a rectangular prism would curve if it was made of soft plastic < 1323124253 608346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all about material < 1323124285 30588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a string would break if it were made of something hard. like uncooked spaghetti. < 1323124326 969092 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess what i am trying to do is questioning the sufficiency of the rotation/translation/scale/reflection operations < 1323124373 734649 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stretch was mentioned before.. i have seen this one in the paint program along with skew :D < 1323124379 610319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: rotation and translation is pretty much all you can do with a hard substance without cutting it up < 1323124476 578086 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for projection... thats a bit over my head < 1323124483 904886 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1323124500 518298 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :projection is what you get when you shoot your hard substance into a wall at 16000 m/s < 1323124615 157947 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what about if you suppose that your substance is perfectly soft < 1323124632 705713 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i suppose it would have the property that it can pass through itself < 1323124670 281033 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am not sure if that property would ever be very useful < 1323124672 255811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides that, there are a _lot_ of more general mappings. i recall the riemann mapping theorem which is all about stretching to a different shape ... but with functions that have power series expansions in the complex plane < 1323124752 500196 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heavy.. < 1323124793 74350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: dark matter may be like that in a sense, perfectly soft. although it has no cohesiveness either, consisting of individual particles (presumably) < 1323124826 448364 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know what i mean by perfectly soft < 1323124873 875148 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do have an idea of perfectly hard though.. as seen in some collision detection in video games < 1323124897 993666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm about the riemann mapping functions: "Intuitively, such a map preserves the shape of any sufficiently small figure, while possibly rotating and scaling (but not reflecting) it." < 1323124910 614049 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea of perfectly soft would be more like an animation which can just change its pixels arbitrarily.. im just ... not a mathematician... ahahha.. < 1323125011 133771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: your perfectly hard idea may be equivalent to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigid_body < 1323125064 725341 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the polar opposite of a rigid body is not such a common idea as a rigid body :D < 1323125104 428483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are also such ideas as an "ideal gas" < 1323125134 592846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: rigid bodies and ideal gases, are you just trying to list off things used for bad jokes < 1323125150 734133 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :laughs out loud < 1323125180 594156 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323125240 104682 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now were getting somewhere < 1323125263 205019 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. what i am pondering is a geometry of objects whose material is ideal gas < 1323125273 684919 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than rigid bodies < 1323125311 418775 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the hope that rotation translation and scaling would not feel at home < 1323125326 956318 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they would still < 1323125338 698536 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be nice if a larger family of transformations was now available < 1323125357 21997 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION presses his rigid body firmly against itidus20's perfectly ideal gas. < 1323125359 479261 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there you go. < 1323125364 596892 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1323125402 479154 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rigid body is producing random ideal gas < 1323125421 417633 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thsi happens when i need to take a shit < 1323125436 704923 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing smells worse than the farts of someone who needs to visit the potty < 1323125601 552214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :*.net *.split < 1323125653 951049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323125692 682391 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323125715 367363 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1323125723 749705 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323125768 166108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1323125991 809293 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: .. < 1323126005 931727 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm..maybe ideal gas isnt entirely what i have in mind.. maybe it is < 1323126026 17579 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am basically thinking of the opposite of a rigid body < 1323126035 29325 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i deal gas" ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha < 1323126038 533576 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so good. < 1323126055 728924 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's time for #esoteric-fartjoke < 1323126070 328038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rigid body vs. ideal gas < 1323126083 860089 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :3x bad joke combo. < 1323126285 784352 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i have in mind is a material which maintains it's saturation per volume regardless of stretching and shrinking < 1323126383 963516 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe thats not it < 1323126409 754251 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: do you have an internet connection? < 1323126419 220082 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might instead be thinking of a body which is only a surface < 1323126427 737648 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: yes < 1323126451 795210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: there are also incompressible liquids < 1323126463 228884 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas < 1323126496 163775 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a large store of valuable URLS < 1323126499 218801 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ask if you need some. < 1323126524 295497 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you had some body which was only a surface... < 1323126544 313366 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then.. having no volume you could seem to stretch it freely < 1323126547 705130 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they all of the form echo topic | sed 's/ /_/g ; s|^|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/|' ? < 1323126559 581357 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops no wait it has volume < 1323126562 255457 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: there are many like that yes. < 1323126564 750443 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it contains a vaccuuum < 1323126581 559585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: actually, i didn't see a good url for incompressible liquids < 1323126586 881812 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhmm < 1323126603 408943 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: but if you ask me a specific topic I can probably procure URLs in my vast collection that are relevant to your query. < 1323126628 862811 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I cannot stress how valuable these URLs are. It's hard to discover sites on the web. < 1323126651 388950 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so! this type of body has the following properties. 1) it has a perfectly deformable surface. 2) it always maintains the same volume. < 1323126673 100673 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: are you talking about an ideal gas still? < 1323126677 158480 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what am i dealing with in this case? < 1323126678 863101 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1323126713 418729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think an incompressible liquid might be closer, as i think that preserves volume < 1323126740 194145 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well volume preservation seems important to me in using the term "body" < 1323126768 132966 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would also give it a relationship with a rigid body which also preserves volume < 1323126771 908082 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: you have a blob. if you punch it the other side will poke out. < 1323126785 110037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: surprisingly, solid bodies apparently often compress more under pressure than liquids do < 1323126800 44216 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you try to squish it, it will stretch out from the top and bottom of your fist. < 1323126811 863715 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a perfect blob < 1323126812 234666 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of those squishy blob toys. < 1323126817 277588 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes perfect blob. < 1323126827 807985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's The Blob, run away! < 1323126884 311732 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok heres the thing < 1323126906 819801 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to create an object which gets beyond the old rotate/translate/scale < 1323126916 259795 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they are kind of boring < 1323126984 275538 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i shouldn't.... < 1323126990 157484 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not good for my brain < 1323127081 396652 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem i guess is that the old rotate/translate/scale are not infact boring.. < 1323127088 418363 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am projecting my own boringness onto them < 1323127125 793527 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323127148 223760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a theorem that says you can get any polygon onto any other of the same area by cutting it up and translating. i think not even rotation is needed. < 1323127157 151812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1323127247 444724 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that seems rather obvious actually. < 1323127257 216012 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. < 1323127262 354468 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy for regular polygons. < 1323127370 472927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i seem to recall it mentioned in relationship to banach-tarski (which requires 3d, rotations and nonmeasurable sets) < 1323127512 23177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm maybe i'm thinking of the rather more advanced http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarski%27s_circle-squaring_problem < 1323127562 593300 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a useful idea i can think of in relation to DMM's piet language < 1323127574 273327 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pixel area of a shape < 1323127623 727591 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What happened to QHC? < 1323127633 565980 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the pixel area of a shape has a very simple intuitiveness for "you can get any polygon onto any other of the same area by cutting it up and translating." < 1323127637 34786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It was lost in the Great Hard Drive Crash of I Forget When. < 1323127664 859905 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Quixotic Haskell Compiler? < 1323127670 120173 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically by translating each pixel of color N from bitmap A to bitmap B < 1323127704 467302 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there was some program in piet which calculates PI by using a literal circle made of pixels < 1323127736 547928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolyai-Gerwien_theorem is the simple version with polygons if you also allow rotations < 1323127804 503045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: famous bisexual toucans < 1323127907 379468 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1323128039 260736 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1323128284 578396 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323128696 393813 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-233-94.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323128696 487571 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-233-94.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1323128696 487638 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1323129282 64157 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled for: can you get any toucan by cutting and translating toucans < 1323129378 242913 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now 24 hours without sleep. < 1323129406 444101 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I walk around the house I occasionally feel like I'm going into little micro sleep things. < 1323129414 831156 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 hours is nothing stfu < 1323129432 23413 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1323129462 49150 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay I'm 24 hours without sleep after getting 2 and a half hours of sleep after not staying awake for I don't remember how long but definitely not 24 hours. < 1323129478 262488 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1323129481 670812 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after _not_ staying awake? < 1323129484 441123 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :after staying awake < 1323129486 497234 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1323129519 803073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::%s/asleep/awake/g < 1323129543 616201 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :watr < 1323129563 649404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: THERE IS NO MORE SLEEP