< 1322352001 683775 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since it was uploaded in 2008 :) < 1322352004 876963 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1322352005 661336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: the latter date, in particular < 1322352031 548336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Archive::Zip had no releases from mid-2005 to mid-2009 < 1322352045 461577 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: you can access filehandle refs explicitly with a *foo{THING} but... I'm pretty sure you don't ever need to? < 1322352082 43661 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: that's for accessing them after they're created, and there'd be no reason to do that if they already existed < 1322352099 335016 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, GD::Image->loadFromPng is failing, but die "$!" doesn't print anything < 1322352103 146944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1322352114 53811 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :try $@ < 1322352120 265046 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anything in the other error variables? < 1322352123 636252 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to suggest $@ < 1322352131 617561 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$! is more for failures in external binaries, IIRC < 1322352133 419647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: thanks, I was just trying to bait someone into giving me another variable to try :) < 1322352148 53847 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although $@ is empty too :( < 1322352203 905939 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way is it failing? returning undef? < 1322352216 39358 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the module specify how to get at errors? < 1322352226 213439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: it returns undef, and not from what I can see < 1322352227 535901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the example is < 1322352227 968172 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $myImage = new GD::Image(100,100) || die; < 1322352231 788035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't do much in the way of error reporting < 1322352233 522267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the constructors) < 1322352234 740606 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1322352239 609595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : open (PNG,"barnswallow.png") || die; < 1322352239 788427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $myImage = newFromPng GD::Image(\*PNG) || die; < 1322352239 788585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : close PNG; < 1322352242 619536 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing printing any error < 1322352287 272025 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :globref, neat. < 1322352434 879939 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that's the built-in open, open would save an error msg in $@ < 1322352449 24110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the myImage part < 1322352467 346246 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I guess: something went wrong! < 1322352469 543795 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION helpful
< 1322352473 647625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: hmm, ah, if you have a filehandle in a $foo how do you pass it as a filehandle? < 1322352477 57856 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ouch at the globally-scoped filehandle names < 1322352482 697012 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: $fo < 1322352484 229460 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*$foo < 1322352490 577895 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: is that $foo, or *$foo? < 1322352511 523784 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :open my $foo, '<', 'barnswallow.png'; $myimage = newFromPng GD::Image($foo); < 1322352528 111755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: hmm, aha, I think I've figured out the problem < 1322352531 257154 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :open does a bit of magic to put a filehandle object in $foo < 1322352533 235934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :->fh() seems to point to /compressed/ data < 1322352552 337618 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found this by trying to read a line from a known-text file in the archive) < 1322352580 490488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: ah! < 1322352580 793889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :extractToFileHandle( $fh ) < 1322352580 972767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extract (and uncompress, if necessary) the member's contents to the given file handle. Return AZ_OK on success. < 1322352582 465553 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I want < 1322352594 313397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to figure out how to create a file handle to pass to that :/ < 1322352604 625703 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nope, it'll write to a file that the filehandle represents < 1322352607 517375 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1322352619 185520 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1322352631 549910 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: temp file? :P < 1322352639 387101 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I'd rather extract it to a string than do that < 1322352738 655221 :amtal!~amtal@142.179.35.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1322352764 398060 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-27-183.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1322352764 661436 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're using Archive:Zip or something? < 1322352764 839865 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-27-183.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1322352764 840040 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1322352774 138153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1322352782 750616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is / integer division given two integer operands? < 1322352849 399462 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.... don't think so. < 1322352851 739561 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print 5/2 < 1322352854 31169 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.5 < 1322352876 598801 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1322352883 205750 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :use integer; < 1322352888 196284 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :forced integer division inside its scope < 1322352891 783290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: how do I do integer division, then? < 1322352891 962145 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*forces < 1322352892 965952 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without that? < 1322352897 252609 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you could just floor? < 1322352904 381739 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I'll just assume nobody will have a broken file :) < 1322352921 434400 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1322352931 718880 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :floor by the way is int < 1322352942 309271 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print int(5/2) < 1322352942 771544 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1322352991 153794 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl {use integer; print 5/2, ' ' } print 5/2; < 1322352991 731806 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 2.5 < 1322353089 908971 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but integer division would be int(5) / int(1.5). Otherwise, you're just rounding the real division. – Rog Feb 12 '09 at 2:56 < 1322353101 694700 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this person on stackoverflow seems to be confused about what integer division is. < 1322353113 392268 :Ikarus!~ikarus@46-129-66-189.dynamic.upc.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1322353538 221858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS FILE IS THE STUPIDEST THING EVER < 1322353636 644522 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :( < 1322353656 361768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: let's say you wanted a single png file with a bunch of fixed-size textures in them < 1322353678 383542 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1322353682 572642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: and you already have permanent, allocated 8-bit unsigned integers to identify the things being textured < 1322353684 106988 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you < 1322353696 378221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- make the file 16x16, use the already-allocated IDs to index them < 1322353696 908433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR < 1322353706 980462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- make the file 16x16 but put the textures in a completely different order < 1322353707 720175 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1322353711 97352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no coherent mapping from the IDs < 1322353716 52049 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :second one < 1322353717 211687 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :more fun. < 1322353719 411544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that anyone who reads it has to maintain a list mapping the layout to real IDs < 1322353723 754811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: CONGRATULATIONS! YOU'RE NOTCH! < 1322353737 46611 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaay < 1322353787 873958 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: adding one to the many reasons you shouldn't play minecraft < 1322353844 770262 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I'm not playing Minecraft! This computer can't even /run/ Minecraft. < 1322353856 465023 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one can >.> < 1322353859 479885 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..then wtf are you doing. < 1322353861 925147 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is on his phone
< 1322353869 659079 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net NICK :myndzi < 1322353893 869789 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also I didn't mean play as in playing, I meant play as in play. < 1322353905 908749 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :English does weird things with present tense so that it actually doesn't mean the immediate present < 1322353909 948857 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we use present progressive for that. < 1322353922 105063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: mcmap < 1322353928 93912 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, but WHY? < 1322353932 514486 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do not play minecraft < 1322353949 783265 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play Minecraft. Just not on this computer. < 1322353957 84315 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1322353961 849545 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. well that's... irrelevant. :P < 1322353968 219130 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this is currently my only computer. < 1322353977 181061 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. < 1322353978 973245 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like < 1322353993 157590 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you run... but your only pair of shoes is made of concrete currently. < 1322353999 388310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1322354005 594994 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1322354020 795893 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than abstract shoes < 1322354042 536407 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god leftover turkey is so dry < 1322354043 496216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.minecraftwiki.net/images/7/78/TerrainGuide.png < 1322354046 18078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am actually considering < 1322354050 348352 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M CHOKING ON LITTLE BITS OF DRY BIRD MEAT. < 1322354050 766934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scraping this file < 1322354055 747457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by keeping track of the font < 1322354064 617450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an alternative to manually maintaining a list < 1322354124 405934 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that perfectly usable portal texture not being used. < 1322354135 312225 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: implement minecraft server with portal gun. < 1322354142 409302 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft has portals, you idiot. < 1322354149 522685 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not portal portals < 1322354162 930653 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the portal texture says "portal < 1322354166 86178 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not used" < 1322354183 604510 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because the portal texture is done procedurally. < 1322354209 787799 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1322354243 218242 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway portals to netherasslands does not count as portal gun omg yesssss < 1322354254 133189 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are mods for that. < 1322354270 310080 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you haven't figured this out by now: I really like portal guns < 1322354475 185425 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: what I'm doing now is reading the decompiled source to find the mapping < 1322354515 417410 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....bahag\haha < 1322354537 654098 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it's not that bad, there's a tool to give all the classes and fields good names :P < 1322354557 127026 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's Java, so not much is actually lost apart from names in the decompilation < 1322354564 309259 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :DecompiledClass1, DecompiledClass2, DecompiledClass3, ... < 1322354578 372840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: nope < 1322354584 74757 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :excerpt: < 1322354585 119316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EntityTNTPrimed.java NBTTagShort.java WorldProviderSurface.java < 1322354585 298311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EntityVillager.java NBTTagString.java WorldRenderer.java < 1322354585 298508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EntityWaterMob.java NetClientHandler.java WorldSavedData.java < 1322354585 667204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EntityWeatherEffect.java NetHandler.java WorldSettings.java < 1322354592 219925 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic. < 1322354600 97903 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1322354600 952152 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1322354603 250961 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the filenames < 1322354605 940143 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the class names. < 1322354620 886438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: no the filenames are obfuscated. < 1322354624 584801 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: people just map out each one on release < 1322354627 232963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1322354630 646042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are like five thousand mods < 1322354632 941434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1322354638 197620 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1322354641 650282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people do this so it's not incredibly painful to mod it :P < 1322354655 905317 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good modders < 1322354661 776343 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: the bestest thing is, they have a tool to RE-obfuscate everything < 1322354666 728079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: because you can't distribute the full minecraft.jar < 1322354675 825944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: but distributing individual modded .class fails is turned a blind eye to < 1322354686 717039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has to be re-obfuscated so it works with the rest of the stock classes in the .jar < 1322354686 895758 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEH < 1322354721 470885 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny legal things funny modders < 1322354784 265771 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens when you try to use 10 mods at the same time? < 1322354787 146089 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaos? < 1322354837 897678 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: if they don't touch the same classes: it probably just works < 1322354842 55196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: if they use ModLoader: it just works < 1322354850 762517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they change the same stuff < 1322354851 564116 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1322354870 680711 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ModLoader a mod or a Notch thing. < 1322354872 646083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, it almost certainly just works. i'm sure _some_ things conflict even with ModLoader) < 1322354874 916034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: a mod obviously < 1322354905 296683 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :one mod to rule them all. < 1322354942 212135 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUSSIE WHY YOU NO UPDATE? < 1322354955 722317 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/kick kallisti being terrible < 1322354986 395903 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Moment of force (often just moment) is the tendency of a force to twist or rotate an object; see the article torque for details. This is an important, basic concept in engineering and physics. A moment is valued mathematically as the product of the force and the moment arm. The moment arm is the perpendicular distance from the point of rotation, to the line of action of the force. The moment may be thought of as a < 1322354997 47637 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: hi < 1322355000 213777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: hi < 1322355028 384151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : private void renderEntityOnFire(Entity entity, double d, double d1, double d2, < 1322355028 562821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : float f) < 1322355075 779352 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1322355085 132898 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: why paste < 1322355087 482374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1322355097 817662 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why'd you paste that? < 1322355103 20711 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO IS TRULY AT FAULT? < 1322355107 453854 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pasted before me < 1322355108 654644 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO DESERVES TO POINT THE FINGER? < 1322355116 524216 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS THE MEANING OF MEANING? WHAT IS WHY? < 1322355129 286528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/kick kallisti being terrible < 1322355129 516178 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHY IS WHAT? < 1322355170 416661 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :A boot is a type of footwear but they are not shoes. Most boots mainly cover the foot and the ankle and extend up the leg, sometimes as far as the knee or even the hip. Most boots have a heel that is clearly distinguishable from the rest of the sole, even if the two are made of one piece. < 1322355186 78491 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/boot kallisti < 1322355197 598648 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the... hip? really? < 1322355199 922927 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hip boot. < 1322355200 101906 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, why are you pasting this? < 1322355201 703009 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. ha. ha. < 1322355203 325150 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being terrible < 1322355219 939494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : to the... hip? really? <-- seems insane < 1322355238 52203 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : private BufferedImage unwrapImageByColumns(BufferedImage bufferedimage) < 1322355240 250352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "Hip boots, or waders as they are colloquially called, are a type of boot initially designed to be worn by river fishermen." < 1322355241 863275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, ^ < 1322355242 286717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK THIS IS STARTING TO GET BETTER < 1322355258 429306 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : int i1 = ai[l] >> 24 & 0xff; < 1322355258 608441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : int j1 = ai[l] >> 16 & 0xff; < 1322355258 608599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : int k1 = ai[l] >> 8 & 0xff; < 1322355258 608698 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : int l1 = ai[l] & 0xff; < 1322355258 608795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1322355262 719331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, java? < 1322355267 747174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :minecraft < 1322355270 299558 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1322355277 731348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to find the texture id -> terrain.png index mapping < 1322355286 201693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lol really? < 1322355286 380657 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pair of field boots enjoying a warm summer day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fieldboots.jpg < 1322355289 627684 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. < 1322355297 325207 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy boots < 1322355298 489973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't want to write my own. < 1322355300 801131 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they must be friends < 1322355327 42164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322355346 430732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I assume the mapping will be truly terrible < 1322355357 113910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm really hoping it's not in uh < 1322355358 979788 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :equation form like the above < 1322355365 498978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : private TexturePackList texturePack; < 1322355367 413517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha? < 1322355378 546660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have you checked that each block object isn't storing a constant of the offset in the texture it wants? < 1322355380 959344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, not that :/ < 1322355381 467898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1322355386 767438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh god. < 1322355396 218751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is a possibility < 1322355396 909338 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i literally hadn't even considered that. < 1322355403 102104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322355413 520746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well block class rather than block object < 1322355413 699481 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's typically how texture maps are done. < 1322355416 510551 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least historically < 1322355419 361273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322355426 792379 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: is there really a class for every single block? < 1322355440 773479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't know. I was just suggesting a possibility < 1322355440 952302 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oop power < 1322355449 521020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : return blockIndexInTexture; < 1322355452 40110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it wouldn't surprise me if each one has a class or such < 1322355452 218824 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FUCK ME < 1322355461 77424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm? < 1322355464 337797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you're right. < 1322355467 419005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1322355472 345480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god, Block.java: < 1322355475 97826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : public static final Block planks; < 1322355475 276797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : public static final Block sapling; < 1322355475 276909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : public static final Block bedrock; < 1322355475 276967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : public static final Block waterMoving; < 1322355477 130600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1322355483 437240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1322355488 82086 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322355493 90675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what on earth is that? < 1322355493 747679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Block.java contains a static final instance for every single type of block < 1322355498 947264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1322355504 431168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is an interesting design < 1322355504 610383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's casted to the appropriate subclass < 1322355506 327727 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when needed < 1322355511 525869 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i. want. to. die. < 1322355513 306622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1322355520 244527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where are they instantiated? < 1322355525 244419 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOP. Models anything. < 1322355528 442804 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to know. < 1322355534 667148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want to get my data and run. < 1322355536 857578 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, link me to it at least < 1322355551 523080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: download MCP, run decompile.sh, look at src/minecarft/net/minecraft/src/Block.java. < 1322355555 135678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1322355561 313170 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FUCK ME" < 1322355562 800740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like too much work < 1322355572 533360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: download zip -> extract -> cp minecraft.jar -> sh decompile.sh < 1322355574 271682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1322355576 451710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much work < 1322355583 85594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1322355601 955878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway maybe it is all in the constructor: < 1322355619 668168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this.planks = new Block(id,whatever,whatever) < 1322355631 301862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in which case you could handle that easily < 1322355640 139897 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on earth would you set static variables in a constructor < 1322355649 6376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i am relatively certain it'll be in the subclasses < 1322355654 828043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, the static constructor... < 1322355660 40201 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes. < 1322355672 254421 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, and I can think of nowhere else, since the declaration didn't assign them < 1322355687 993998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: public static final Block planks; rather than public static final Block planks = new ...; < 1322355691 494609 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could probably use grep to make this easier somehow? < 1322355697 334664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: yes I've been gerpping. < 1322355705 512842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gerpping < 1322355711 663303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1322355716 18970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1322355720 937984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gerpping in minecarft. < 1322355729 200568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1322355817 573797 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean eventually you could probably just grep a pattern that generates a list of every single offset used. < 1322355820 548196 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1322355843 421571 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :once y ou get l33t enough < 1322355844 161836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but i need to find where they are first. < 1322355849 705940 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is there a nice way to minimize fullscreen Uplink on Linux? < 1322355859 169195 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt-tab? < 1322355860 418234 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: alt+tab < 1322355861 62679 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1322355873 337768 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't work for me < 1322355878 309872 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I was alt+tabbing wrong < 1322355894 926083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : stone = (new BlockStone(1, 1)).setHardness(1.5F).setResistance(10F).setStepSound(soundStoneFootstep).setBlockName("stone"); < 1322355895 105355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : grass = (BlockGrass)(new BlockGrass(2)).setHardness(0.6F).setStepSound(soundGrassFootstep).setBlockName("grass"); < 1322355895 105545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : dirt = (new BlockDirt(3, 2)).setHardness(0.5F).setStepSound(soundGravelFootstep).setBlockName("dirt"); < 1322355895 105649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : cobblestone = (new Block(4, 16, Material.rock)).setHardness(2.0F).setResistance(10F).setStepSound(soundStoneFootstep).setBlockName("stonebrick"); < 1322355897 270886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : planks = (new Block(5, 4, Material.wood)).setHardness(2.0F).setResistance(5F).setStepSound(soundWoodFootstep).setBlockName("wood").setRequiresSelfNotify(); < 1322355900 436066 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : sapling = (new BlockSapling(6, 15)).setHardness(0.0F).setStepSound(soundGrassFootstep).setBlockName("sapling").setRequiresSelfNotify(); < 1322355903 451249 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : bedrock = (new Block(7, 17, Material.rock)).setBlockUnbreakable().setResistance(6000000F).setStepSound(soundStoneFootstep).setBlockName("bedrock").disableStats(); < 1322355906 37689 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: best design < 1322355906 444845 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : waterMoving = (new BlockFlowing(8, Material.water)).setHardness(100F).setLightOpacity(3).setBlockName("water").disableStats().setRequiresSelfNotify(); < 1322355909 450009 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : waterStill = (new BlockStationary(9, Material.water)).setHardness(100F).setLightOpacity(3).setBlockName("water").disableStats().setRequiresSelfNotify(); < 1322355912 468582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : lavaMoving = (new BlockFlowing(10, Material.lava)).setHardness(0.0F).setLightValue(1.0F).setLightOpacity(255).setBlockName("lava").disableStats().setRequiresSelfNotify(); < 1322355915 475191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I hate you for being right. < 1322355917 493225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, doesn't have the texture index, so ha! < 1322355939 230618 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, yes it does, maybe? < 1322355943 410180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : protected Block(int i, int j, Material material) < 1322355943 589636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : { < 1322355943 589838 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : this(i, material); < 1322355943 589940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : blockIndexInTexture = j; < 1322355943 590041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1322355946 11036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I hate me for being right about that < 1322355949 466649 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well < 1322355958 575760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : button = (new BlockButton(77, stone.blockIndexInTexture)).setHardness(0.5F).setStepSound(soundStoneFootstep).setBlockName("button").setRequiresSelfNotify(); < 1322355964 804656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe it's in the classes except when it's obvious. < 1322355966 954099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omits slightly < 1322355968 577080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1322355969 171699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vomits < 1322355974 447779 :Sgeo|Uplink!~Uplink@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322355980 524987 :Sgeo|Uplink!~Uplink@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt-Tabbing does nothing < 1322355981 363846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1322355982 690711 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : stone = (new BlockStone(1, 1)).setHardness(1.5F).setResistance(10F).setStepSound(soundStoneFootstep).setBlockName("stone"); < 1322355985 696235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has the texture ID < 1322355986 195706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1322355988 743647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : grass = (BlockGrass)(new BlockGrass(2)).setHardness(0.6F).setStepSound(soundGrassFootstep).setBlockName("grass"); < 1322355989 736181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't < 1322355998 641644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, look: "stone.blockIndexInTexture" < 1322355999 708172 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : protected BlockGrass(int i) < 1322355999 887059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : { < 1322355999 887240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : super(i, Material.grass); < 1322355999 887344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : blockIndexInTexture = 3; < 1322355999 887446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : setTickOnLoad(true); < 1322356001 274647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1322356006 39657 :Sgeo|Uplink!~Uplink@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, going to go get myself disavowed over a 300c fine < 1322356007 241198 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1322356010 877111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, which is assigned by < 1322356012 976593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : stone = (new BlockStone(1, 1)).setHardness(1.5F).setResistance(10F).setStepSound(soundStoneFootstep).setBlockName("stone"); < 1322356015 206706 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1322356019 348197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some classes have the texture index in the file < 1322356020 859974 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :others don't < 1322356023 735390 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. < 1322356028 250121 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :consistent design. < 1322356028 441103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh my god < 1322356036 337495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1322356050 265438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: basically only the ones with a texture used in more than one place are done here, I think. < 1322356061 278647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, even so.... new < 1322356065 293716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eew* < 1322356179 33145 :Sgeo|Uplink!~Uplink@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waiting to be disavowed < 1322356182 103610 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this code really makes me hate myself. < 1322356193 616073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1322356194 960138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK < 1322356196 32290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I can do < 1322356198 54769 :Sgeo|Uplink!~Uplink@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to disconnect to go on the Uplink channel, that won't be the disavow < 1322356200 506124 :Sgeo|Uplink!~Uplink@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1322356202 906088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is write a java program < 1322356207 823738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that iterates through each block < 1322356209 994568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and prints its ID and index < 1322356223 482167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh i want to DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE i hate this so much < 1322356257 884254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh < 1322356273 801237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this horrible urge to just < 1322356275 707505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only support painterly < 1322356278 803289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has a texture per file version < 1322356282 375576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, could this be an artifact of the decompilation? < 1322356287 997312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the real code is quite clean? < 1322356290 510521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1322356293 285267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1322356293 809885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it changes the arity of constructors < 1322356295 208405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shit < 1322356295 535717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1322356295 895721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1322356439 361069 :amtal!~amtal@office.spawngrid.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1322356458 939039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ok i _think_ I have a strategy < 1322356466 522619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep each line, if the constructor arguments are right, then I have the ID and texture index < 1322356473 5125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, look up that class for a line that sets the index < 1322356491 735024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY CAN'T THIS BE IN A DATA FILE SOMEWHERE < 1322357244 670117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1322357246 156695 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1322357665 480137 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lavaMoving = (new BlockFlowing(10, Material.lava)).setHardness(0.0F).setLightValue(1.0F).setLightOpacity(255).setBlockName("lava").disableStats().setRequiresSelfNotify(); -- this is an interesting coding style < 1322357694 355016 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is. < 1322357709 421597 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess itidus has never seen hideous method chaining stuff before. < 1322357714 704109 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1322357718 805799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not hideous *shrugs* < 1322357722 327471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard practice in Smalltalk and Objective-C < 1322357723 908203 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think Perl too < 1322357734 477301 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen method chaining before < 1322357742 150391 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really standard but it's commonly used in some libraries. < 1322357750 932667 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :commin in Python libraries as well. < 1322357753 935036 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*common < 1322357763 24986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that, Python libraries don't do explicit setters < 1322357842 731769 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :some do, it's certainly not encouraged though. < 1322357854 734625 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example pyparsing uses that style, and I think Twisted does in some cases? I don't remember < 1322357919 571796 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1322357935 202731 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its kind of like saying < 1322358015 362889 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct { int x, y, z; } point; point a.x(4).y(6).z(8); < 1322358049 321213 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the methods just return self/this/whatever < 1322358054 386033 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can call more methods on the return value. < 1322358066 81838 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of a.x = 4; a.y = 6; a.z = 8; < 1322358072 468733 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't necessarily have to be methods that set members, but they usually are. < 1322358077 104728 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh my notations are always messy and inconsistent < 1322358083 594692 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly gets a vision of $ chains in Haskell
< 1322358098 319244 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... is sort of like the same thing, isn't it? < 1322358110 293401 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not... really. < 1322358135 107515 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the functions update a record and then return that record, then sure. < 1322358169 360751 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it's not quite the same because in this style you're doing in-place operations < 1322358222 445638 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would be more like calling functions on an IORef via modifyIORef or something. < 1322358270 194082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Sgeo suddenly gets a vision of $ chains in Haskell < 1322358271 823839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. chains < 1322358290 981801 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it is similar. < 1322358393 982947 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: correction: it's not really hideous by itself; it's hideous because that is the /cleanest/ way to do something like that in Java. < 1322358412 354796 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322358439 110168 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find this highly disconcerting. < 1322358465 522391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : WHY CAN'T THIS BE IN A DATA FILE SOMEWHERE <-- not oop enough < 1322358485 71384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR MOM ISN'T OOP ENOUGH < 1322358511 350776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, time to Perl this shit up. < 1322358530 717398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322358545 429056 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yessssssss < 1322358546 588178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could just compile a few of the java files and link your own java program against it < 1322358561 42771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, but I don't know how to go from block ID to block. and it'd be harder than just perling up the source < 1322358586 38283 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well you could do reflection to list the static members of the class I think < 1322358589 401641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iterate through them < 1322358593 986425 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : public int getBlockColor() < 1322358594 165163 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder WTF that does. < 1322358597 580503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably easier to use perl though < 1322358606 736709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's less preferable than finding how to look up frmo a block id :) < 1322358608 762737 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is always easier to use Perl than Java. < 1322358613 961037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but anyway I don't know what the dependencies of this thing is. < 1322358632 88081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: admittedly, I am not very happy about depending on the MCP to get the indices < 1322358633 536754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought java had import stuff at the top? < 1322358641 378257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. i am not going to recursively search for imports < 1322358648 409877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1322358683 402310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<$blocks_java> until /blocksList = new Block\[256\];$/; < 1322358683 581129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to admit this is a compelling coding style :P < 1322358718 868977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't understand it < 1322358723 934037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<> reads a line < 1322358724 536440 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whut < 1322358731 509875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the rest? < 1322358743 216555 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think < 1322358746 774254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1322358747 821516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1322358750 795535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1322358758 753392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, very.... perl < 1322358762 267664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Is there a way to temporarily reassign the default file handle :-) < 1322358774 595190 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... < 1322358776 969490 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the name < 1322358778 174217 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh..... < 1322358797 573825 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look it up < 1322358811 159883 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :select < 1322358813 174788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: admittedly, I am not very happy about depending on the MCP to get the indices <-- just parse the bytecode directly < 1322358818 841218 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :select $file_handle < 1322358836 333220 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no. < 1322358842 739186 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then anywhere in perl docs where it says "if file handle is omitted, uses the currently selected file handle" < 1322358846 681335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, good < 1322358852 418627 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is now referring to whatever you select'd < 1322358870 459273 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I love how select doubles as the perl thing and select(2) < 1322358874 61566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so beautiful < 1322358877 421063 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1322358899 367567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: so uh is that block-scoped < 1322358903 334779 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually sure that it doubles as select(2) ? < 1322358907 48541 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no fucking clue. :P < 1322358912 767527 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it may be global < 1322358913 577355 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1322358920 153729 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: It does: http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/select.html < 1322358927 107255 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes it does. < 1322358947 231116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do recently uploaded youtube videos always list ~300-320 views on popular channels? As in uploaded in the last couple of hours. < 1322358969 332629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even realistic number, it doesn't even change after I watched it for example < 1322358986 745999 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl open my $x, "test"; {select $x; print "hi"} print "hi"; close $x; < 1322359000 857499 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: caching? < 1322359015 658580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, probably, but why about 300? < 1322359016 998951 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl open my $x, "test"; { print "hi"} print "hi"; close $x; < 1322359017 483616 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hihi < 1322359024 792119 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: globally scoped, apparently. < 1322359028 373518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because that's how many view it before the first regeneration from 0 views? < 1322359037 58653 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: sigh < 1322359045 900695 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what did you want to use select for? < 1322359052 81829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean, I would expect it to vary between a channel with about 1 million subscribers and one with 100 000 subscribers < 1322359053 752555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not < 1322359055 739441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: shortening the code :) < 1322359060 450690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *shrug* < 1322359105 218889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, in general elliott is always lazily golfing everything < 1322359112 402005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lazily"? < 1322359116 862340 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway you can do $old_f = select; select $new_f; [...code...]; select $old_f; < 1322359121 98979 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want. < 1322359126 331672 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: yes. ugly. < 1322359127 352598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as in, you don't super-golf everything to remove every single char you can < 1322359146 586708 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am always golfing as well. < 1322359148 87243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at colours.pl line 12. < 1322359149 314840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1322359150 187767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I did < 1322359153 36742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do <> until /blah/; < 1322359156 264785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely $_ should always be assigned there < 1322359162 993142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it only assign to $_ when it's a loop condition >_> < 1322359177 792723 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it only assigns to $_ when it's <> actually. < 1322359181 120455 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in while(<>) < 1322359186 768427 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think? < 1322359195 134295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what's a nicer way to write {} until ...; < 1322359208 302629 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :until(...) {} < 1322359208 966329 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1322359227 525511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1322359235 717010 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you write "discard lines until one of them matches this regexp" < 1322359279 271356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: ??? < 1322359296 742152 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dropUntil? >.> < 1322359300 961077 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(<>) { last if /blah/} < 1322359301 300399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1322359312 698387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: surely you mean < 1322359315 857401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :last if /blah/ while <>; < 1322359316 259887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1322359323 832221 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if last can go there, but sure. < 1322359326 575513 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... < 1322359327 18870 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1322359329 31679 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't do that. :P < 1322359337 462287 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :expr if x while y < 1322359341 356158 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not valid (unfortunately) < 1322359351 96896 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1322359359 957510 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print "hi" if 1 while 1 < 1322359360 374398 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at /tmp/input.7931 line 1, near "1 while" < 1322359367 323257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: now to find why it doesn't terminate :D < 1322359379 363437 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this valid then? { last if /blah/ } while <>; < 1322359389 731827 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't believe so. < 1322359391 738944 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need a do < 1322359394 914417 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :while is then a do-while loop < 1322359395 276442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1322359405 771624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1322359409 83433 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl {print "hi" if 1} while 1 < 1322359409 576668 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at /tmp/input.8056 line 1, near "while 1" < 1322359419 279773 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do do {...} if $x < 1322359420 437923 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1322359443 68353 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do {...} is basically "execute this block and return an expression" except when it's part of a do...while < 1322359449 710387 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's all do-whiley < 1322359468 675036 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm sure there's a better way to explain it) < 1322359474 81709 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I bet the docs explain it better) < 1322359532 588759 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really a function. Returns the value of the last command in the sequence of commands indicated by BLOCK. When modified by the while or until loop modifier, executes the BLOCK once before testing the loop condition. (On other statements the loop modifiers test the conditional first.) < 1322359537 614581 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not it basically says the same thing. < 1322359539 923519 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/not/no/ < 1322359613 697985 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but yes, unfortunately you can't reduce everything to beautiful postfix statement modifiers. < 1322359627 398943 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you must write conventional looking loops. < 1322359638 711374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cries. < 1322359741 305644 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm actually fucking tempted to try and use a java bytecode lib < 1322359759 498158 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: noooo, don't let it fucking temp you! < 1322359774 788270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's the best kind of temptation! < 1322359853 581339 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: how do i make an unnumbered group :| < 1322359878 248275 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a what? < 1322359880 692084 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1322359882 789441 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :regex < 1322359886 271388 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?:...) < 1322359910 849591 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually I find it better to name groups that you want to extract rather than putting ugly ?:'s everywhere < 1322359923 145888 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it depends on the complexity of the regex. < 1322360066 842134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: why can't I last inside of do { ... } while (blah); < 1322360086 50986 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the docs say so. :P < 1322360087 916075 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-160-168.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1322360102 51720 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do BLOCK does not count as a loop, so the loop control statements next, last, or redo cannot be used to leave or restart the block. See perlsyn for alternative strategies. < 1322360122 634969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: .............. < 1322360134 594827 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet "alternative strategies" involve labels. < 1322360135 398988 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-156-33.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1322360139 694400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For last, you have to be more elaborate: < 1322360139 873827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : LOOP: { < 1322360139 873958 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : do { < 1322360139 874063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : last if $x = $y**2; < 1322360140 693876 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : # do something here < 1322360142 755279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } while $x++ <= $z; < 1322360144 727761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1322360144 907054 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1322360146 752242 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA HA < 1322360251 230101 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: alternative, put a label on the next line and goto < 1322360254 68084 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1322360436 475882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAAH THIS SUCKS < 1322360480 235075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unless can even be followed by one or more elsif statements, though you may want to think twice before using that particular language construct, as everyone reading your code will have to think at least twice before they can understand what's going on." < 1322360499 381929 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what? trying to do weird things in perl. I agree. < 1322360537 645393 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: no, having to write this stupid script < 1322360543 59105 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think perl should just have an "else unless" :P < 1322360552 425645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: which will be a COMPLETE PAIN to automate < 1322360579 785617 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elsunless bahahahaha < 1322360630 394884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the LABEL is omitted, the loop control statement refers to the innermost enclosing loop. This may include dynamically looking back your call-stack at run time to find the LABEL. Such desperate behavior triggers a warning if you use the use warnings pragma or the -w flag." < 1322360643 244293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so functions < 1322360646 310839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can affect loops in their callers < 1322360648 60579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1322360650 158082 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1322360670 55844 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto can affect anything anywhere. < 1322360681 229827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you goto into the middle of a procedure < 1322360686 475801 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :believe so, yes. < 1322360689 672924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessssssssss < 1322360705 316567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you goto in between the if and the ( in "if (...)" < 1322360707 489348 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have some restrictions < 1322360712 774092 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....no < 1322360714 597499 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if yes, what about 4 bits into the ( < 1322360715 773912 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't believe so. < 1322360750 432918 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :The goto-LABEL form finds the statement labeled with LABEL and resumes execution there. It can't be used to get out of a block or subroutine given to sort. It can be used to go almost anywhere else within the dynamic scope, including out of subroutines, but it's usually better to use some other construct such as last or die. < 1322360756 638511 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't goto out of sort blocks. :( < 1322360758 859168 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad day. < 1322360763 418799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1322360810 385743 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that you do actually need a label to goto to < 1322360830 37127 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they must be in "the dynamic scope" < 1322360851 608720 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, on the call stack? < 1322360853 741783 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think? < 1322360915 217715 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also note that with wantarray and caller you can write subroutines that do different things depending on where they're called. < 1322360996 262808 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl sub constant { wantarray? (1,2,3,4,5): < 1322360996 631237 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at /tmp/input.10598 line 1, at EOF < 1322360997 411674 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1322361012 171917 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl sub constant { wantarray? (1,2,3,4,5): "hi" } print constant; print scalar constant < 1322361012 698347 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :12345hi < 1322361295 530615 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wantarray gives you three contexts. 1 = array, 0 = scalar, undef = void < 1322361441 537965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know :P < 1322361493 654931 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1322361494 602949 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1322361518 650222 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MORE YOU (ALREADY) KNOW. < 1322361543 869358 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1322361716 511177 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl sub continue { print "(haha sucker)"; last} for(1..100) { print "hi "; continue } print ' done"; < 1322361717 35944 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at /tmp/input.12183 line 1, near "; continue" < 1322361735 160484 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl sub please_continue { print "(haha sucker)"; last} for(1..100) { print "hi "; please_continue } print ' done"; < 1322361735 677705 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find string terminator "'" anywhere before EOF at /tmp/input.12260 line 1. < 1322361755 318276 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl sub please_continue { print '(haha sucker)'; last} for(1..100) { print 'hi '; please_continue } print ' done'; < 1322361755 801214 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi (haha sucker) done < 1322361775 484336 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't think of them as functions; think of them as control flow statements. :) < 1322362049 549955 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322362059 564469 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what you would use to emulate last, next, and goto in Haskll. Cont I guess? < 1322362087 609198 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Cont. < 1322362093 82297 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Haskell is functional programming language it doesn't have control flows < 1322362115 489175 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring to "monadic programming" which typically emulates a number of imperative style control flow statements via functions. < 1322362123 21687 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least < 1322362125 432974 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes does. < 1322362140 449233 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some monads can do so, I suppose. < 1322362140 879897 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily typically. < 1322362183 591501 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I believe cont would work for goto. I don't know how you would do last and next though. < 1322362189 419200 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka break and continue) < 1322362202 981575 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Haskell functional programming also means you don't need control flows. < 1322362207 559747 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably just a specialized kind of goto. < 1322362207 738543 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: emulate is a good word < 1322362227 364315 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Probably it can make a monad with those kind of commands possible if you wanted to < 1322362227 543081 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps model is a better word < 1322362235 707869 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"represent formally" :P < 1322362245 22909 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too! < 1322362257 25852 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but operationally, you shouldnt think of it as control flow at all < 1322362309 891934 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1322362365 605245 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1322362373 846731 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the weird thing is that I'm pretty sure it will look nothing like normal gotos/breaks/continues < 1322362387 985204 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically instead of labels you'd use monadic functions. < 1322362469 821937 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, kallisti, UPDATE < 1322362522 34267 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think to get break and continue to look exactly as they do in imperative languages you would need to pass the "label" to break to as part of the loop construct, set two implicit parameters, and then access the implicit parameters with the break and continue function. < 1322362526 763760 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*functions < 1322362587 137499 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you'd just have one "goto" function and then explicitly pass the continuations to go to. < 1322363009 690857 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you killed yourself yet? < 1322363500 534473 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so. < 1322363505 681276 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip elliott < 1322363680 765863 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :died as he lived; ripped to pieces by gotos. < 1322363786 73072 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the word "ecliptic longitude" or do you think it should be called something else? < 1322363850 50872 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like "clitoric longitude" < 1322363854 668276 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think it's a good word, but I don't know what it means so I can't make a normative assertion there. < 1322363882 713395 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equatorial coordinates have "right ascension" and "declination" instead. < 1322363907 79349 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ecliptic longitude is not the same thing as the longitude of the Earth. < 1322363945 581136 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ecliptic longitude means the angle measure on the plane of the ecliptic (the orbit of the Earth around the Sun). < 1322363997 15289 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it is fairly descriptive < 1322364012 452425 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right ascension is the same thing but on the equatorial plane. < 1322364013 802960 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you prefer ecliptic latitude? < 1322364030 961481 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ecliptic latitude is the other coordinate. < 1322364044 37257 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you have ecliptic longitude and ecliptic latitude. < 1322364218 925734 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :patashu, ya here? :P < 1322364829 107753 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322365898 95959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: hi im back from dead < 1322365973 936054 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: hi < 1322366136 264632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry < 1322366147 161566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: cry < 1322366149 321476 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry < 1322366225 859550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh WHY IS THERE NOT A SIMPLE PLACE FOR THIS DATA < 1322366259 218959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :W H Y < 1322366263 794133 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it is not a simple data < 1322366281 819746 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1322366287 916268 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a byte=>byte mapping < 1322366292 134270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i literally need 256 bytes < 1322366296 922848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a format that isn't < 1322366298 587789 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"java code" < 1322366300 222275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1322366304 765647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"image with overlayed text in tiny font" < 1322366323 194726 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Maybe convert it < 1322366352 858251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried that, the java code is too varying to do so, with conditionals and the like < 1322366359 568380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the image with text, some of the text is abbreviated, etc. < 1322366362 690667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's hard to map to the data values < 1322366381 819253 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make that Java code to output it in the format you want < 1322366411 121361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've considered that, but getting the java code is quite hard, and it'd be a pain to compile it each time :( < 1322368157 640487 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :==> Found dependencies: URI::Escape, LWP::MediaTypes, Encode::Locale, HTTP::Status, HTTP::Negotiate, File::Listing, HTML::Entities, HTTP::Daemon, Net::HTTP, URI, HTML::HeadParser, HTTP::Cookies, HTTP::Date, HTTP::Request::Common, HTTP::Response, WWW::RobotRules, HTTP::Request < 1322368158 680770 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good grief < 1322368174 335919 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm here < 1322368175 7832 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up < 1322368199 767892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl dependencies < 1322368205 416875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also myndzi wants to talk to you? < 1322368210 802218 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah meant that part < 1322368212 577496 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :beat the game yet? < 1322368326 183465 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i came back to it when i said that < 1322368327 743862 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on level 12 < 1322368328 335418 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1322368342 451665 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 is amusing < 1322368345 205914 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fell for it < 1322368381 621225 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think 4-9 took me the longest so far < 1322368677 716577 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322368821 579513 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1322369022 856642 :amtal!~amtal@office.spawngrid.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1322369160 575644 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The difference between theory and practice is larger in practice than it is in theory." < 1322369169 86269 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Michele Campeotto < 1322369191 674977 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1322369191 854263 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep it up < 1322369255 780943 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know who they are, or even if they first said it or quoted someone else < 1322369585 908577 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $x = (0 => "scalar", 1 => "list"); sub test { wantarray} print $x{test}, " "; print @x{test} < 1322369595 318095 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.. < 1322369600 43712 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl %x = (0 => "scalar", 1 => "list"); sub test { wantarray} print $x{test}, " "; print @x{test} < 1322369623 751469 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hmm < 1322369652 898554 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe @x{$key} doesn't work for hashes.. < 1322369676 490779 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it < 1322369679 861868 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl %x = (0 => "scalar", 1 => "list"); print @x{0,1} < 1322369680 387100 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :scalarlist < 1322369682 333130 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't hashes contain scalars < 1322369683 837298 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it does nevermind. < 1322369686 532552 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1322369701 3422 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but @blah{$ind} says "I want a list result" < 1322369711 727158 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then $ind is evaluated in list context < 1322369717 737896 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and taken as a list of keys to fetch < 1322369742 63134 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how "slices" work in perl. @array[1..10] < 1322369800 217199 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$array[1..10] would interpret 1..10 in list context, which is like some weird flip flop operator. < 1322369805 427186 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*scalar context < 1322369836 299400 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, $array[1,2,3,4] would evaluate 1,2,3,4 to 4 because , in scalar context is like , in C. < 1322369878 666899 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can see, this is superior to everything you have ever worked with in any other programming language. < 1322369886 600095 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a lie) < 1322370335 197168 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1322370406 773047 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-27-183.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1322370407 136445 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-27-183.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1322370407 315417 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1322370601 748658 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1322370875 233020 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, 4-12 is kind of a bitch < 1322370875 703528 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1322370937 286061 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl 2**2 < 1322370940 418082 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print 2**2 < 1322370940 854533 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1322371444 433777 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl use List::MoreUtils; @x = (1,2,3); @y = (4,5,6); print join(' ', pairwise {$a + $b} @x,@y) < 1322371444 990298 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't locate List/MoreUtils.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /tmp/input.28034 line 1. < 1322371447 982560 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1322371455 3126 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad < 1322371608 944186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :attn, is anyone alive someone who sometimes plays minecraft / just owns minecraft, testing urgently needed < 1322371614 135435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't Patashu play minecraft, i swear Patashu played minecraft < 1322371642 309745 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ha ha ha ha haa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha never < 1322371645 862727 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :will I play minecraf < 1322371652 77423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :minecraf < 1322371657 313364 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1322371659 919849 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sic, motherfucker. < 1322371736 382881 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never played minecraft in my life < 1322371742 397544 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never even seen someone play minecraft in person < 1322371745 472693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. i thought you did < 1322371754 863037 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my knowledge about minecraft is like the knowledge one has of africa or france < 1322372082 334144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ping < 1322372086 170395 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ping ping pnig ingp nig ipgn pgngipngpin pgin gpn igpnpgnipg < 1322372116 665995 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hi < 1322372123 737282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: YESSS < 1322372130 378405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Can you play Minecraft from your current location! < 1322372145 128051 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current location, yes < 1322372148 546482 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have homework to do < 1322372152 785461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD DAMMIT < 1322372160 697827 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, fine, I'll play now < 1322372175 189842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No playing required :P < 1322372179 490325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just TESTIN' < 1322372181 10396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is uh < 1322372182 643884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equivalent to playing < 1322372202 59964 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 95.149.229.230 < 1322372377 801290 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322372383 231431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: What happened :P < 1322372384 483276 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update < 1322372509 930623 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone wrote "It sounds like Libras are kind of obtuse." in response to something I wrote. When asked for clarification, they said it is because 180 degrees. But Wikipedia says "Angles larger than a right angle and smaller than a straight angle are called obtuse angles." < 1322372531 97506 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I was in a rush to tell you about UPDATE when computer slowed down < 1322372547 396472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT TESTING MINECRAFT IS MORE IMPORTANT ;D < 1322372554 230737 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1322372605 281865 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that server subtitled as reddit creative < 1322372607 672695 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mindboggles
< 1322372627 756267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Because it is reddit creative... < 1322372636 929607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches chunks load.
< 1322372648 112790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is... not so good so far. < 1322372651 825951 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322372661 741916 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because everything's grey. < 1322372674 186008 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to fly < 1322372679 145670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double-space. < 1322372702 384204 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't working < 1322372721 546381 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1322372733 513820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not much interesting, is there (I don't know what it actually looks like) < 1322372741 161745 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And mouse pointer isn't being captured < 1322372742 791347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you try to /warp somewhere interesting? < 1322372797 572584 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1322372820 722057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: /warp to get a list, I think. < 1322372822 246576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then just pick one :P < 1322372854 509920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that looks pretty good. Is that water? < 1322372889 527112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? < 1322372894 715432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/XJQSd.png < 1322372895 241640 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is what water? < 1322372899 14459 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What yer standing on. < 1322372905 729836 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1322372938 866363 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What is it then? < 1322372941 292574 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sure looks like water here. < 1322372951 357045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I see "water (10 deep)" all over the map. < 1322372956 474466 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computers acting up, hold pn < 1322372962 166278 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh gotcha 4-12! < 1322372996 991337 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's grey, looks a little like the half-...whatever things < 1322373017 256273 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm just asking you what the landscape is if not covered with water... < 1322373023 428266 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Landscape? < 1322373026 955958 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in a structure < 1322373029 216203 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1322373046 396225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you exit the structure? < 1322373055 177139 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm at surface level or near it < 1322373061 815148 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e21b.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1322373069 900875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y=64 exactly. < 1322373107 241553 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surrounded by water < 1322373115 266363 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1322373117 490993 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not literally on the water < 1322373123 408953 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This warp is ... not the best to test the colours. < 1322373123 587923 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the structure's on the water < 1322373126 257776 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322373133 139529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1322373144 459540 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1322373144 710159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1322373151 553854 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Some intricate open-air structure would be best. < 1322373179 215979 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are only two warp points < 1322373192 50568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, a lot of this badness is due to me not handling the alpha... < 1322373222 110482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Can I put you on another server? :P < 1322373241 281320 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's now sky overhead, and lots of glass nearby < 1322373261 392263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry for impersonating you in chat, just had to check it worked.) < 1322373266 409440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("test" will go on your tombstone.) < 1322373305 733234 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see it < 1322373321 571722 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now MC's acting up < 1322373325 460976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disconnected you. < 1322373330 150490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could change the server. < 1322373336 114549 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!!! < 1322373338 861107 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that mangling does look a little ugly < 1322373339 267840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1322373344 893511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what mangling < 1322373348 805936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: ? < 1322373349 122456 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from your link < 1322373359 718110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which link :P < 1322373364 115894 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, scary that you're able to disconnect me < 1322373369 282994 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/mm68o/ghc_74_branched_whats_in_for_christmas/c3291tr < 1322373369 469276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Why is that scary? < 1322373379 849800 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless...... are you proxying? < 1322373392 86911 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I produced that mcmap screenshot from thin air. < 1322373421 636246 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, right < 1322373429 769749 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i linked it more as a "wow, polymorphic kinds are finally here!" thing < 1322373431 402604 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that you were separately connected, and testing some stalking tool < 1322373447 480374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Ah. No. < 1322373455 881184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm testing mcmap's new texture script. < 1322373459 204550 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restarting comp < 1322373473 850209 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1322373508 623052 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: challenge: try to find a good comment http://justrakudoit.wordpress.com/2010/12/29/perl-6-fibonacci-versus-haskell/ < 1322373584 989672 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What is the performance difference? I like to hate on Haskell because it is still so inefficient." < 1322373586 833084 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322373588 63062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1322373589 874007 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this dude < 1322373593 288331 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I lol'd as well. < 1322373600 581626 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering that Perl 6 doesn't have a working implementation.. < 1322373635 76840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, rakudo is fairly working < 1322373693 5950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hi < 1322373732 330797 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's also funny on the grounds that perl (including perl 6 now) is always slow. < 1322373747 298976 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you ever make pizza with just tomato, garlic, olive oil and oregano? < 1322373748 727544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well perl regexps are fast unless you hit an edge-case afaiu < 1322373758 567234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No dough? < 1322373760 488233 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1322373764 30321 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right but that's... it. < 1322373769 226750 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where the performance ends. < 1322373769 556135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you just, like, burn the tomatoes until they're hard enough to form a base? < 1322373769 828413 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You need the pizza bread too. < 1322373771 535087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: KONNEKT < 1322373775 633928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's not "just" then! < 1322373784 165486 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I made a mistake. < 1322373786 801640 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, blargh < 1322373790 309957 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wut < 1322373808 896753 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apparently some people are under the delusion that Perl is somehow fast? < 1322373853 993008 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, connected < 1322373866 702688 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, teleportation is currently out of order < 1322373870 598033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1322373879 894814 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1322373880 365908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you walk upwards? :P < 1322373891 47386 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oop, stop. < 1322373898 885041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late. < 1322373900 841379 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1322373914 76825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'm going to need to override a few textures before this will even begin to look reasonable. < 1322373918 833012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1322373930 854230 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1322374058 502951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: could you try now maybe? :P >_> < 1322374151 521271 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha < 1322374156 948868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: would I be correct in saying there's no grass nearby? < 1322374181 26896 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, there's... little bits of tall grass, I think? < 1322374184 298940 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But grass on dirt, no < 1322374188 696489 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You've sealed the monsters away, and conquered the Castle of Elite. Way to go!" < 1322374192 472445 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes there is < 1322374195 798482 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly not < 1322374203 194515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHADDABOUT NOW :P < 1322374205 909122 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You've even solved every puzzle in the game - you're the ultimate puzzle master!!" ;) < 1322374214 578494 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( Patashu ) < 1322374223 97376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hahahah still no grass? < 1322374242 785104 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like snow < 1322374271 835567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying... < 1322374314 291403 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see that I died? < 1322374340 710185 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, mcmap doesn't see things like that < 1322374350 44711 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:12:02 [DIED] Unknown packet id: 0x9c < 1322374350 589917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feck < 1322374373 687669 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Can you try and die as quickly as possible if I set it up again with debugging? < 1322374387 101288 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, ok < 1322374392 115038 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure the best way to die < 1322374394 540618 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/kill ? < 1322374400 45980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: /kill, or else jump off something high < 1322374402 782650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have to be that quick < 1322374413 269883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Started < 1322374450 355056 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: pizza margherita is even simpler, although it contains different ingredients. not that i've made it, only eaten it. < 1322374483 716264 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/kill is disabled < 1322374504 272924 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lava is not < 1322374506 408285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: lava also works :) < 1322374548 381634 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, equally simple. < 1322374562 658699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: then respawn or whatever you did last time < 1322374604 87314 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1322374613 945105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: ? < 1322374617 579726 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did resaen after dying a lavary death < 1322374622 886683 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reapawn < 1322374624 860749 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I omit the tomato and garlic but include salt < 1322374627 309258 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Respawn < 1322374641 359607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: oh, huh < 1322374644 384937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means it was something else :/ < 1322374668 418743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: What were you doing when it disconnected last time? < 1322374699 974848 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice myndzi < 1322374706 97255 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll ask you for hints later < 1322374718 810906 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, your variant is called pizza marinara < 1322374727 296987 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't remember < 1322374740 328972 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1322374743 848298 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I want to get back to homework < 1322374747 720889 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza#Pizza_types < 1322374763 329228 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just deliberately disconnected < 1322374896 762870 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm afraid you're going to have to start playing minecraft to help me with edbugging < 1322374949 712691 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neapolitan is so ludicrously simple compared to american style pizza, or american style pizza is ludicrously overdone, dependent on view < 1322374960 690053 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry < 1322374977 530406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes i'm sorry i must inflict this on you. it is something we must achieve together. < 1322375060 822473 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, 4 dollars 1 cent = 8-16 hours < 1322375064 123347 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1322375163 253865 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1322375189 851567 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-27-183.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1322375190 223393 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-27-183.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1322375190 403696 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1322375249 965543 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1322375252 795863 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1322375478 727845 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Client Quit < 1322376012 330795 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia < 1322376016 524361 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this article is very crufty < 1322376052 369986 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it's not crunchy or crusty < 1322376056 649347 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*munch* < 1322376101 313451 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, in August 2007, the website WikiScanner began to trace the sources of changes made to Wikipedia by anonymous editors without Wikipedia accounts. The program revealed that many such edits were made by corporations or government agencies changing the content of articles related to them, their personnel or their work.[107] < 1322376106 318669 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scared
< 1322376126 371400 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean, corporations take /special interest/ in their Wikipedia articles? < 1322376128 531765 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm shocked. < 1322376133 460467 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's obviously because it can only be edited by people who don't edit wikipedia, for neutrality reasons. < 1322376146 373606 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1322376191 491443 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_content_by_subject.png < 1322376203 446932 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see this chart with "pop culture" made distinct from "culture and arts" < 1322376288 227250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I'm surprised it's only 30%. < 1322376301 423157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is also surprised that mathematics and logic is only 1%.
< 1322376308 151863 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was actually under the impression that -- yess < 1322376310 607037 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that. < 1322376315 268316 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also technology < 1322376320 202448 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there were way more of those articles. < 1322376328 655885 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, then again, this is where I spend most of my time on Wikipedia < 1322376336 771303 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I'm a bit biased. < 1322376451 352981 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1322376464 851579 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deletionism_and_inclusionism_in_Wikipedia "notable topic" < 1322376559 485715 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia is currently facing a problem of record numbers of volunteers abandoning the site due to excessive deletionism.[26][27][28][29][30][31] < 1322376562 516426 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1322376566 601628 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of sources. < 1322376573 383528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the deletionsts kept removing the sourcse < 1322376575 260754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they had to have more < 1322376585 875126 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322376617 687721 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deletionism was deletionismed away and retconjuration was retconjured in < 1322376654 310508 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^what I said makes perfect sense to one fandom < 1322376661 688273 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only just discovered this article existed. Is it not the biggest ever violation of Wikipedia:Avoid self-references? Not to mention the fact that it essentially consists of a synthesis of already published material - more like a collection of trivia than an encyclopaedic article. I'm amazed and deeply disappointed that this article somehow passed AFD, and to me it seems to cross a very dangerous line, taking us down the ro < 1322376669 707488 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- deletionist < 1322376701 890635 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking us down the ro < 1322376741 734474 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the rest of the comment actually isn't important... < 1322376748 732534 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ad towards ever-increasing focus on Wikipedia itself in Wikipedia articles, and the gradual obliteration of the distinction between article-space and Wikipedia-space. This belongs in the latter, not the former. < 1322376752 568248 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there you go < 1322376757 459522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't want the rest < 1322376977 108216 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But don't you know about the rule about ignore all rules? That is why you have to ignore it so that you can make such an article as that. They should have a article about Wikipedia, too. < 1322377206 785981 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who plays Minecraft and also doesn't have homework??? < 1322377324 770146 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't understand; there is an article about Wikipedia. < 1322377388 913026 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes, as it is supposed to me. But they should still make it like any other article, even if someone copies it on something else it can be valid < 1322377462 829234 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a Wikipedia book, a collection of Wikipedia articles that can be easily saved, rendered electronically, and ordered as a printed book. For information and help on Wikipedia books in general, see Help:Books (general tips) and WikiProject Wikipedia-Books (questions and assistance). < 1322377467 661677 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? I didn't know this was a thing. < 1322377468 275966 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1322377488 859912 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not as good as < 1322377490 265266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one we found < 1322377491 619504 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it Sgeo < 1322377511 862330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Why_testing_is_good < 1322377512 163625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Why_testing_is_good_2 < 1322377513 69204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1322377516 36397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a spambot just < 1322377517 715321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :created thes < 1322377518 311909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1322377531 791233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 [[Why testing is good]] and [[Why testing is good 2]] don't have any spam links, they are so perfect, please don't delete them, please < 1322377532 33553 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1322377536 212834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 please < 1322377536 479586 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1322377541 616054 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: esowiki is an ideal place to test your wiki spambot. < 1322377542 768670 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spambot fail. < 1322377552 445078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO FAIL IT'S BEAUTIFUL < 1322377575 134003 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, beauty would be a spambot that accidentally becomes sentient. < 1322377589 479039 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, so if we switched to hackiki, would spambots still be a problem? < 1322377610 878692 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not as much as MediaWiki, for various reasons. < 1322377639 862761 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THERE'S NO WIKIPEDIA BOOK ON CATEGORY THEORY < 1322377642 253029 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mad
< 1322377661 818711 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, if you require OpenID to login. And Hackiki is rare meaning less spambot programs specifically target it. < 1322377676 177594 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably none target it thus far. < 1322377679 581707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we shouldn't require login < 1322377681 594991 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_beauty < 1322377682 111311 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1322377682 765588 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think you should have both the MediaWiki and Hackiki, and give them read-only target to each other. < 1322377686 53 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but spambots can be fairly "generic" < 1322377690 971436 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/target/access/ < 1322377780 412444 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, it can be, but certain things it is less likely to do. Including OpenID, and protocols other than HTTP and SMTP. < 1322377802 182561 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah let's make an openid gopher wiki. < 1322377848 360436 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cannot use OpenID on anything other than HTTP except something else I have heard that they might make OpenID on any protocol. < 1322377870 352386 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with HTTP, the spambot usually do not use commands such as PUT < 1322377879 314529 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know. < 1322377904 823205 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spambot doesn't have to be smart. Indeed, it doesn't need to be much more than a few lines of shell script using curl. < 1322377942 426658 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes; however, regardless of how it is done, certain spambots are more common than others. < 1322377969 957961 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been thinking that spammers are a bit like resistent bacteria < 1322378022 608478 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each one may be resistent against certain spam-fighting methods. and some may be multiresistent. < 1322378045 219093 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one day there will be one which just cannot be stopped. < 1322378060 264782 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that may be true; but still, some are more common than others. < 1322378076 11778 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is the point I am making about the different commonness < 1322378102 972213 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks hackiki is the solution to all of our problems.
< 1322378126 684987 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could even embed interpreters into our articles! < 1322378136 661793 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes, Hackiki would help a lot of things. < 1322378155 441283 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: think of the possible security issues. < 1322378158 964659 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wonderful. < 1322378160 291791 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to consider. < 1322378169 99116 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day we will find that a spambot has embedded a spambot into our articles. then singularity. < 1322378169 424423 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suggest not removing the MediaWiki. < 1322378178 277582 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But add the Hackiki too. < 1322378275 977261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when a spambot can't be stopped, it's indistinguishable from productive human contributions < 1322378277 228848 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably the wiki admins don't have a fucking clue how to stop the last kind of spam. < 1322378282 356410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at which point, spam has been solved < 1322378286 32409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, of course we do, it just relies on graue < 1322378291 395935 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without manual intervention. < 1322378299 534296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sound awfully fatalistic about this. < 1322378309 198829 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and graue is not responding i take < 1322378318 279141 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's bothered because it's not a serious problem yet... < 1322378324 480633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue responded last time we had a huge spam influx < 1322378358 841289 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there was a day when the entire first page of recent changes was spam deletions, and that's not a serious problem? < 1322378393 888426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i see you don't remember the _last_ huge spam influx? < 1322378433 656146 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised hackiki hasn't gotten more attention < 1322378434 715634 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah i do. < 1322378451 154940 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the last huge spam influx have great spam < 1322378462 125644 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1322378465 307384 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1322378489 117705 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One way to increase the changes in a horoscope board game would be to use extreme harmonics. But I think it should start with real positions and use various cards and moves to change things such as time offset and place offset and house systems and whatever. However, they would always update in real time. < 1322378498 703999 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if made the hackiki interface a bit more user friendly it would catch on? < 1322378522 691822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you expect hackiki to be popular < 1322378557 232061 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't make it more user friendly; for various reasons. One reason is that then too many people used it and it and spambots will target it. Other reason is to prevent you from making it impossible to use. < 1322378588 619253 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because it's a cool idea. :D) : )D : < 1322378646 227837 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would at least expect some geek blogger to be like "yo dawg check out hackiki it's the bomb diggity" < 1322378686 145044 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bomb diggety eh? MAYBE I SHOULD CHECK IT OUT < 1322378800 16481 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm? < 1322378803 376936 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesssss < 1322378808 901471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? < 1322378817 255955 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : what was it Sgeo < 1322378822 25658 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1322378835 365376 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Esoteric programming languages book? < 1322378835 621824 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti are you a geek blogger maybe you could be the geek blogger you'd expect < 1322378854 651028 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric programming languages book is good < 1322378857 750953 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/esoteric-programming-languages-including-hephaestus-books/1105758069?ean=9781243288011&itm=2&usri=brainfuck < 1322378864 400675 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why testing is good is also good < 1322378890 15044 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen that a Japanese book mentions my esolang called AAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! < 1322378921 969978 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, nice cover < 1322378962 807930 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: one day I will have a bloggs < 1322378971 153813 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my projecks < 1322378985 295900 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.barnesandnoble.com/c/hephaestus-books all good < 1322379048 775378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nooo they < 1322379050 439193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :made the cover wrose < 1322379057 404632 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some even have ratings < 1322379070 300444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Articles On Posthumous Novels, including: The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, The Girl Who Played With Fire, The Girl Who Kicked The Hornets' Nest, Millennium (swedish Miniseries), The Metamorphosis, Radio Free Albemuth, Northanger Abbey (9/28/2011) < 1322379071 364229 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reviews < 1322379077 44074 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am going to read these reviews < 1322379108 777659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi buy minecraft i need... am tester < 1322379114 992663 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1322379116 724193 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ones have reviews? < 1322379129 172633 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can se because there are stars < 1322379149 469715 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how some people actually bought these books < 1322379194 775382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone ever died < 1322379195 134398 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how these books exist < 1322379201 243916 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From Cherryh's wesite: this is not a book by CJ Cherryh. It is a collection of Wiki articles made by a person trying to scam the public and the e-book system by using authors' names attached to what is not the authors' work." < 1322379214 74781 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, it does say "Articles on" < 1322379312 43860 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/serial-buses-including-hephaestus-books/1105516836?ean=9781244942738&itm=29&usri=hephaestus+books < 1322379319 806108 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$43 < 1322379345 405820 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on some of these sites the books have good reivews < 1322379347 327108 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12566363-maximum-ride-including < 1322379354 820807 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could not put these books down! They were incredible. I do think that Max was a bit obonxious and some of the characters in the last books ( Max and Fang ) got a bit inconstant. But the boods were amazing nonetheless. I can't wait for the next book to come out in February 2012 < 1322379366 325353 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.barnesandnoble.com/c/hephaestus-books?sort=PD&size=30&startat=1 most expensive books < 1322379371 598198 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the hephaestus books < 1322379401 362350 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, wow < 1322379415 231824 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the boods were amazing < 1322379419 590716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect < 1322379424 463602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just people giving reviews on the wrong book < 1322379425 374285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than < 1322379428 118596 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah < 1322379429 351795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :purchasing it and reading it and reviewing it < 1322379430 780099 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Role-playing, including: Acting, Role-playing Game, Sexual Roleplay, Psychodrama, Roleplay Simulation, Area Of Effect, Sociodrama, Empty-chair ... Game (pen And Paper), Free Rpg Day < 1322379437 827478 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hephaestus Books represents a new publishing paradigm, allowing disparate content sources to be curated into cohesive, relevant, and informative books. < 1322379444 945648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexual roleplay, psychodrama < 1322379472 202916 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow choosemyhat.com is definitely the best website < 1322379485 40097 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gregor < 1322379491 369414 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm < 1322379493 151962 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aware. < 1322379499 28092 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just surprised people vote on it < 1322379503 473135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow someone likes the pirate hat < 1322379518 791292 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my vote is for all the ones that aren't pirate hats < 1322379520 390153 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for sunday < 1322379530 225045 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't vote on today's hate because it am already to day. < 1322379531 69505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys let's all vote for http://codu.org/hats/BlueBeret-sm.jpg < 1322379534 163176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll look like a complete shithead < 1322379535 457827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all day tomorrow < 1322379536 531150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://choosemyhat.com/?s=1&day=15306 < 1322379537 371900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go go go < 1322379550 450884 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I picked good hats < 1322379553 920352 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I like good hats. < 1322379554 802348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU < 1322379558 691228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: correct his injustice < 1322379572 702162 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i voted for beret < 1322379579 510941 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy is groupthink < 1322379579 893160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Sgeo still homework (sgeo is probably still homework) < 1322379592 415513 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is not homework < 1322379600 949313 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is soon food < 1322379602 537873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is sgeo < 1322379603 787799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :busy in any way < 1322379611 101380 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too busy to vote on a hat < 1322379618 874081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasnt thinking about hat but ok < 1322379621 67419 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: vote for mine < 1322379623 692907 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the awesome choices < 1322379633 150226 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION voted beret
< 1322379633 589605 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones that aren't the pirate hat or the beret < 1322379651 95048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the beret is the only one that will have gregor punched in the face ten times in two days < 1322379675 465294 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is clueless about fashion
< 1322379684 197901 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://codu.org/hats/TamOShanter-sm.jpg < 1322379687 686089 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot this one. < 1322379707 420724 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :voting that one for tuesday < 1322379708 945090 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its good < 1322379890 956934 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is the only one with good taste in hats.
< 1322379895 650962 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for us to all listen to superturing again < 1322379898 341342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/music/e/superturing/superturing.ogg < 1322379945 301437 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you don't happen to know toby elliott or matt mcpherrin, do you? < 1322379965 748670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's this person stealing my name < 1322379980 756891 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a man greater than you < 1322379987 931232 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible < 1322379995 116698 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're insane :P < 1322380001 310228 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good song < 1322380002 206722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perfect < 1322380004 382673 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have a rule, that, if an aspect line vanishes while a piece is standing on it, then that piece is removed from the game. < 1322380006 940828 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION insane and perfect
< 1322380029 610305 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me, elliott, how has your life insanity been lately anyhow? < 1322380047 990580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect; before you ask, the perfection has been insane < 1322380049 583151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/#!/TobyElliottUK/status/140505693936562177 < 1322380052 556451 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found toby elliott for you < 1322380084 618362 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not him < 1322380090 224347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's definitely him < 1322380093 949979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guarantee it < 1322380096 681636 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two toby elliotts??? < 1322380110 195416 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse to accept this < 1322380110 839030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there can be only one < 1322380127 439161 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he works at mozilla, hence I asked gregor < 1322380183 24553 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://codu.org/music/op9/GRegor-op9.ogg I could easily imagine this in a Zelda game. < 1322380206 218861 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe with some more percussion < 1322380209 209959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is gregor embarrassed of op9 or is it too new for that, i forget < 1322380217 122653 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only really listened to op. 13 < 1322380267 170128 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of his earlier ones are pretty good, too. < 1322380727 545387 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: the opening bars of the melody are very close to super smash bros music < 1322380781 393914 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could imagine it being in a zelda game as a joke < 1322380786 369698 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I thought so as well actually < 1322380808 3567 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My main problem with Op. 9 is the synth is terribad. < 1322380814 551672 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: picky picky < 1322380823 624530 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1322380851 456683 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my main problem is the only interesting things are the parts that make you go what the fuck, that's not right < 1322380872 844649 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :superturing was intriguing tho < 1322380903 465437 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've not listened to Op. 9 all the way through, because I can't stand that synth. < 1322380905 553356 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been wanting to do something like for some time now < 1322380926 177388 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I need is a clone of Sgeo. Wait, no. < 1322380950 147287 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, when I'm done cooking I'll come help you < 1322380958 862358 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can help you right now < 1322380960 393758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO COOKERY < 1322380961 810934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONLY SUFFERING < 1322380967 76391 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it helps you that i'm leaving right now < 1322380972 518572 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION plays something from Distant Worlds II; that ought to clean it out
< 1322380972 697466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It totally does. Thx < 1322380989 645136 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real orchestra > synth < 1322381031 303136 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like terribad synth < 1322381032 798070 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an astute observation < 1322381063 262656 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: me too < 1322381083 912341 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not so much that synthesised music is *inherently* bad as it is that, when it's imitating real instruments, it's far too often uncanny valley. < 1322381087 418955 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_ is just jealous because he can't write music with terrible synths. < 1322381112 589750 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: me too < 1322381121 95350 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orchestras sound boring < 1322381173 118554 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what with their dynamic exression of pitch and volume, using real life physics to produce timbres < 1322381176 67938 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring. < 1322381178 947068 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help python is telling me i cant refer to a variable in the lexically enclosing scope :||| i have a function within a function...and the function wont let me do the things i want to do... < 1322381185 972703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you can't in python 2 < 1322381187 463959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrap it in a list < 1322381189 304055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use [0] to access < 1322381191 200878 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1322381194 405826 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick < 1322381199 855929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: or just wrap it in an object < 1322381202 7857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might feel less bad < 1322381209 979146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: have you ever heard an orchestra, they're so predictable < 1322381212 407233 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :objects feel bad but maybe i can pretend it is a function < 1322381217 688521 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. < 1322381221 568231 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, not necessarily < 1322381224 414322 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :largely depends on the composer. < 1322381227 906397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you could use a function too. < 1322381239 708820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: no sorry orchestras are boring the end my good friend monqy can back me up < 1322381242 811691 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait I thought Python 2.x had closures? < 1322381259 808272 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that not what monqy is talking about? < 1322381271 678886 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he wants to modify things... < 1322381273 920994 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1322381277 693301 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no just reference < 1322381278 502313 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, very largely depends on the composer. < 1322381284 50695 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if i do objects it probably wont be the worst thing ive done in this thing...i made REALLY DUMB quasi pattern matching to ease the pain of not having pattern matching < 1322381300 494338 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some do fairly bland, boring stuff. Some blow your brains out, rearrange them, and put them back in. < 1322381310 67647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh if you reference then it works < 1322381313 974230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just mutation that doesn't work < 1322381316 180885 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmm < 1322381340 542929 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it does < 1322381352 107161 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i was just testing wrognly < 1322381358 760269 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a dumb error message though < 1322381367 258950 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can't give names, my source for this is "listening to the classical radio station often, but not paying *that* close of attention to composer, so I can usually recognise composers but can't really tell you the names out of the blue") < 1322381386 247311 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though actually,,,i might need mutation,,,because this thing is really dfumb < 1322381402 804327 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Ref: def __init__(self, v=None): self.v = v < 1322381405 215697 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: enjoy < 1322381422 241730 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1322381451 890768 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. I can say Bach is rather awesome. < 1322381453 158339 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i will just be object oriented and make a class ;_; can i put a class inside a function that might make me feel less bad < 1322381461 678300 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1322381478 15260 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's generally preferable that you not do that though < 1322381480 130123 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it breaks some things < 1322381481 650847 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, who cares. < 1322381485 908018 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck preferability < 1322381492 690006 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1322381507 407913 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have given up on makign this thing preferable at all the moment i had to do it....... < 1322381513 979862 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in python) < 1322381521 190649 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's really no reason to not just put the class at top-level < 1322381534 476998 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're doing things that involve dynamic creation of classes on the fly < 1322381537 773604 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which... you probably aren't < 1322381541 131511 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i am < 1322381544 761242 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> :> :> < 1322381546 87475 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then good. < 1322381550 213801 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do that. < 1322381602 68570 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I just remember that there's some software somewhere (I don't remember anything else about it) that cannot do to classes that are not defined at top level. < 1322381613 246731 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...this is very important, I know. < 1322381635 40953 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was inspect? < 1322381649 609451 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would subsequently affect a lot of libraries that utilize reflection. < 1322381653 180731 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure. < 1322381822 972357 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: anyway if you need some help let me know. < 1322381829 673473 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1322381856 667034 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i can handle this < 1322381889 157138 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm only giving myself tomorrow to finish it on the threat of painful guilt so all the pain will probably be over soon < 1322382069 110762 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels useful today.
< 1322382081 82978 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have helped TWO people with TWO languages. minorly. < 1322382082 446907 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessss < 1322382573 416179 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh also it should be class ref(object): < 1322382588 237568 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because capitalization style guide and new-style classes blah blah stupid < 1322382656 594341 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but note that no one actually follows a standard capitalization in Python programs. < 1322382693 271248 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CamelCase_is_COOLbutipreferinconsistentCaSiNg < 1322382707 140495 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1322382713 782041 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my-favourite-is-probably-this-one-for-reasons < 1322382733 341781 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly-classy < 1322382745 124190 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I like that one but also don't depending on the language syntax for reasons < 1322382749 456170 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that have already been discussed. < 1322382770 643321 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any capsy style depends on syntax < 1322382780 155185 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the best is to just use spaces. < 1322382794 378093 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on if you want to use spaces for other things < 1322382796 845104 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :an example - another example < 1322382818 89723 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah spaces are fine for everything < 1322382818 402745 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaces may be best used there, but they may also be best used elsewhere < 1322382822 156177 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :f an example < 1322382825 69287 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :function application < 1322382831 235957 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(best language) < 1322382867 43845 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :f g an example < 1322382873 79101 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously that's f ( g (an example)) < 1322382883 506889 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :map g an example < 1322382885 503876 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also im not used enough to spaces in variable names so it feels too much like separate things whereas variables really should just feel really grouped together and ig et confused between lexeme boundares ;_; < 1322382894 26363 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, obviously this one is map f (an example) < 1322382895 385277 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In\ Tcl,\ this\ is\ quite \doable,\ if\ a\ bit\ silly. < 1322382902 260419 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a bit silly < 1322382917 694644 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, s/ \/\ / < 1322382918 525592 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|I think a few languages allow this sort of thing| < 1322382941 736066 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl ${hello hi} = 2; < 1322382944 278862 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't locate object method "hello" via package "hi" (perhaps you forgot to load "hi"?) at /tmp/input.16159 line 1. < 1322382948 280531 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1322382954 906478 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird syntax < 1322382956 418543 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!tcl set {hello hi} 2 < 1322382988 133803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : of course the best is to just use spaces. < 1322382990 961147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :++, except seriously < 1322383006 747538 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well I was being /partially/ serious < 1322383011 462095 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it highly depends on the syntax, as monqy said. < 1322383028 403900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't practical if you have syntax because it forces you to make the syntax crappy to compensate < 1322383035 186484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you're plain-text then it's really hard to raed < 1322383036 24802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :read < 1322383036 203870 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you can't mix Haskell-style functional application with spaces-in-variable-names and expect an unambiguous parse. < 1322383076 77071 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so you're advocating the use of spaces in variable names for languages that have no syntax? am I reading correctly? o_o < 1322383086 49793 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1322383094 440526 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay. < 1322383119 227936 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Spaces in variable names could be perfectly sensible in a C-style language. < 1322383128 574347 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you'd have to ban spaces in type names. < 1322383137 541555 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no long long int for you!) < 1322383142 826160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: for instance, @lang allows spaces in variable names, obviously < 1322383154 230165 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because it doesn't exist? < 1322383156 825100 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOOOOH SNAP < 1322383162 528034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha. but no. < 1322383207 609469 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably, @lang doesn't deal in plain text. < 1322383279 30756 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@lang should read Microsoft Word documents as programs. < 1322383279 500634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1322383284 781247 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@lang < 1322383285 64356 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1322383286 206432 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1322383302 779363 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help lang < 1322383303 70652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1322383310 909528 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you lambdabot < 1322383334 732437 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@lang good command < 1322383335 32177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1322383344 75470 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: or presumably @lang has no syntax < 1322383346 267753 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that means. < 1322383383 991091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it does not. < 1322383432 231528 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I consider Forth to have syntax; thus I'm going to probably consider @lang to have syntax. < 1322383440 420225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1322383466 612759 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider Lisp to have syntax; thus I'm going to probably consider @lang to have syntax. < 1322383476 899168 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would also consider a straight-up parse tree to be syntax. < 1322383489 539137 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which Lisp is very close to being, but not quite :P) < 1322383491 652816 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: unless you speak @lang commands and store it as sound file. < 1322383505 936174 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like... draw pictures < 1322383507 418217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax would require representation as a string < 1322383507 690289 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... < 1322383517 801401 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. < 1322383526 817491 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... I dunno? maybe? < 1322383529 463864 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping duh < 1322383529 722253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1322383531 620469 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax would require representation. < 1322383542 560831 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how you would describe the syntax of pure-data, for example. < 1322383544 525943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it wouldn't. a natural number has no syntax < 1322383550 498487 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's all graphical and flow-charty < 1322383562 187152 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A natural number doesn't have inherent representation. < 1322383578 257297 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such is the nature of @lang? < 1322383606 960653 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ADT = syntax" --pikhq, lying, because he considers strings to have syntax as dictated by BNF which is not part of their structure, and would not consider the syntax of C where each punctuation was swapped with another to be identical < 1322383710 904335 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'ADT = syntax' --pikhq, lying, because he considers strings to have syntax as dictated by BNF which is not part of their structure, and would not consider the syntax of C where each punctuation was swapped with another to be identical" -- elliott, being dense < 1322383721 13651 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main ) int argc * char $ argv ( } printf(&Hello, World!\n&)' return 0' { < 1322383741 118451 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: see, now i understand! < 1322383924 425893 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Let's say, hypothetically, C were defined in terms of the tree that results from parsing strings in C, rather than being defined in terms of that string. < 1322383944 282194 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say that tree *itself* has syntax, as there are rules governing how it can and cannot be structured. < 1322384025 475539 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oops < 1322384041 142437 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main ) int argc * char $ argv ( } printf)&Hello, World!:n&(' return 0' { < 1322384042 111619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: the problem is that i don't believe you. you may consider it syntax in some abstract sense, but definitely not the same way you consider C, Perl, brainfuck's concrete syntax. you might look at some C code which happens to be "represented" in this way (does that even make any sense?) and say it has Proper Syntax, but it'd be because a pretty-printer was transforming that tree into the familiar syntax... I abjectly disbelieve that you would < 1322384042 290454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider wildly differing concrete representations of the same abstract syntax to be the same syntax. and if you think a tree can be presented in a fully abstract form with no concretisation to it, i would like to see a picture. < 1322384081 167330 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1322384086 723059 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, does Ook have identical syntax to BF? < 1322384110 84197 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hmm. Maybe I'm using the wrong term here. < 1322384123 976886 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Let's call the rules for how the parse tree must be constructed metasyntax. < 1322384128 718140 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@lang has metasyntax, but not syntax. < 1322384129 61018 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1322384137 756066 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong indeed, lambdabot < 1322384152 481529 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: hmmm, how about grammar instead of metasyntax? is that right? < 1322384161 70357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I'm not sure I consider that a thing, either -- what /is/ "the parse tree" apart from the set of rules that construct it? there's not some weird overly-flexible data structure plus some limitations, just an a priori definition of a tree < 1322384175 871185 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ADT is a sort of syntax, sure, but I wouldn't call it rules applying to some underlying thing < 1322384189 671814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but /not/ the sort of syntax you talk about when you talk about identifiers with spaces in them, that's an issue of concrete syntax) < 1322384204 906748 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1322384224 334688 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Um, your tree data structure doesn't have many inherent rules. struct tree {struct tree *left; struct tree *right;} < 1322384240 348868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you think about trees in C?) < 1322384248 274665 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, admittedly, bad example. < 1322384258 57735 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Far, far too limited of type. < 1322384273 952229 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think about trees in Visual Basic. :> < 1322384276 745628 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Expr t where ETrue :: Expr Bool; EFalse :: Expr Bool; EInteger :: Integer -> Expr Integer; EIf :: Expr Bool -> Expr a -> Expr a -> Expr a < 1322384279 673741 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's stick that in Haskell-ish. Which... Makes this go into severe nitpicking, actually. < 1322384285 31320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note how EIf (EInteger _) _ _ doesn't type. < 1322384291 799888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not because of any additional "rules" layered on top < 1322384309 259389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@lang is fully dependently-typed, so of course it can express a type of syntax that admits no invalid syntactical constructions < 1322384309 584636 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1322384315 436850 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(invalid semantic constructions, certainly) < 1322384329 274859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that "invalid syntactical constructions" is meaningful here -- it's just an abstraction inversion to get the point across < 1322384335 303167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language is defined by its structure < 1322384364 69297 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's about we go with "human language sucks". < 1322384373 149214 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, let's go more general. < 1322384375 905945 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"humans suck". < 1322384384 938461 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can you take this structure and provide a list of atomic components? < 1322384395 273291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: sentence insufficiently meaningful < 1322384395 452405 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1322384423 735647 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq not general enough < 1322384424 819100 :derrik_!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1322384437 116954 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, are there combinations of these components that are invalid? Are there rules that determine if a given structure is invalid? < 1322384450 738785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat previous complaint < 1322384491 747598 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: would it be better if I spoke to you in math? < 1322384491 926877 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "Everybody and everything sucks" < 1322384500 678353 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that is more like it < 1322384509 757540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: probably not. but you're assuming too many concepts necessarily imply. just expand everything out. < 1322384555 862313 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you said that the language is defined by its structure... what does that mean? < 1322384564 756802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : data Expr t where ETrue :: Expr Bool; EFalse :: Expr Bool; EInteger :: Integer -> Expr Integer; EIf :: Expr Bool -> Expr a -> Expr a -> Expr a < 1322384565 124767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : note how EIf (EInteger _) _ _ doesn't type. < 1322384565 303884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and not because of any additional "rules" layered on top < 1322384565 304113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : @lang is fully dependently-typed, so of course it can express a type of syntax that admits no invalid syntactical constructions < 1322384649 237743 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :being dependently-typed means that all syntactical constructors are valid? < 1322384649 769666 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :O < 1322384653 480589 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused. < 1322384670 628132 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*constructions < 1322384672 527346 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi I'm kallisti. < 1322384673 562728 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1322384674 294113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are. < 1322384679 841162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :confused, and that. < 1322384698 150684 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is elliott trying to teach GADTs? < 1322384702 703773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1322384704 52790 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1322384705 630025 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get those. < 1322384714 799633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so he claims, indeed! < 1322384717 517545 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what elliott is currently saying though. < 1322384724 774546 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll just buy a computer that can run minecraft < 1322384738 679096 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your computer can't run Minecraft? < 1322384745 993046 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, btw, I should be able to help you test now < 1322384763 530192 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it can't run minecraft, it should be able to run slaves to armok < 1322384780 874281 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: indeed not < 1322384786 914194 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Heck no. < 1322384794 18348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Same time, same bat-channel. < 1322384810 50180 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:02 < elliott> @lang is fully dependently-typed, so of course it can express a type of syntax that admits no invalid syntactical constructions < 1322384813 208159 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you explain this bit? < 1322384823 806411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : data Expr t where ETrue :: Expr Bool; EFalse :: Expr Bool; EInteger :: Integer -> Expr Integer; EIf :: Expr Bool -> Expr a -> Expr a -> Expr a < 1322384825 20819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : note how EIf (EInteger _) _ _ doesn't type. < 1322384837 838647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :extend principle to dependent types, note that all things that would be "invalid syntax" are now things that "don't type" < 1322384851 426985 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If syntax is computable in the dependent typing system of @lang < 1322384854 766495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't put an A where a B is expected, so says a parser, and so says the type-checker if you try and fudge up an invalid tree. < 1322384914 223730 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think that really disproves that the syntax /exists/ < 1322384923 177614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was not what i was talking about at the time. < 1322384927 274314 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1322384929 460240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are mixing up threads of "discussion" < 1322384940 631617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was merely disputing that there are "rules" which constitute a syntax, separate from the definition of the tree < 1322384969 476551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: (Bat-channel means IP address, for those who speaketh not the tongue. That is, for people who don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Certainly I don't.) < 1322384983 660904 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, ADT = syntax? +_+ < 1322385013 753975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I didn't say that, either! < 1322385015 622770 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Load, chunks, load. < 1322385017 46238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, you load. < 1322385034 685104 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a site I can use to set up a poll on, equivalent to sites like quicktopic for instant forum topics? < 1322385038 110522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--and not badly either, though your ice colour is not up to scratch. < 1322385041 748253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely need some handling of alpha. < 1322385058 959376 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay so you're saying the language is just an ADT? < 1322385073 239047 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then syntax is constructed however you lik? < 1322385074 670823 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+e < 1322385075 912336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: No really, no. < 1322385128 593049 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"John is a married bachelor." is grammatically well-formed but expresses a meaning that cannot be true. < 1322385133 503654 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should make a movie about this. < 1322385139 616553 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :title: Married Bachelor < 1322385141 355407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: And again, mayhaps? < 1322385142 679784 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :romantic comedy < 1322385200 533497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, but some of these colours are so strangely averaged. < 1322385234 817221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like a water colour is the next thing I need. < 1322385236 598619 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was apparently a 1941 film. < 1322385248 271762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322385248 629766 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033883/ < 1322385451 950507 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-232.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1322385452 376739 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-232.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1322385452 555652 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1322385533 15148 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1322385984 72064 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1322386103 353191 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do I have anymore testing I need to do? < 1322386114 651113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Phantom_Hoover has taken over now he is like 50x better (not actually true). < 1322386157 2264 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1322386351 187705 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1322387698 792225 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1322389910 31329 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover smel sfuny < 1322390565 28071 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1334C1.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322390889 498423 :derrik_!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: all for today < 1322392973 97220 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1322393113 539292 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Client Quit < 1322393306 281864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers using pam_ssh. do i dare?
< 1322393308 201475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: do I dare. < 1322393329 806414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :last release 2009. always a good sign < 1322393967 231924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there? < 1322393971 463424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. < 1322393976 948912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you use xfce right? < 1322393983 892509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ostensibly. Yes. < 1322394002 234129 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you happen to know if there is a way to tell xfce to not put an icon for a given partition on the desktop? < 1322394021 9445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have loads of pointless ones due to using lvm < 1322394031 534593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Setting -> Desktop -> Icons? (I heartily suggest setting "icon type" to "none".) < 1322394049 431511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failing that, gconf or dconf or xfconf (real, apparently! I just made it up) or blah. < 1322394055 726920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But desktops are quite an irritating thing, anyway. < 1322394074 799091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "File system" just removes the one for / there. < 1322394085 471606 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Icon type: None" removes them all. :-) < 1322394093 139509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You could put symlinks in ~/Desktop for the ones you want.) < 1322394096 755690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But really, desktops? In 2011?) < 1322394098 647202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I guess /home is considered "removable devices" < 1322394117 484390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I mount usb sticks from the terminal anyway < 1322394117 988188 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the last time I've seen my desktop < 1322394129 913785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aur/pam_captcha 1.5-4 < 1322394130 93297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : A Visual text-based CAPTCHA challenge module for PAM/SSH Logins < 1322394132 663815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's... novel. < 1322394150 559943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A question in response! Do you know if I can make sudo-over-ssh ask the /connecting/ ssh for a pubkey auth? < 1322394174 227966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1322394186 504505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can use pubkey for sudo? < 1322394195 255085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e.: On the server donk connected via ssh from my desktop blob I run "sudo blah". sudo-on-donk does some PAM/ssh magic and ends up calling upon blob's ssh to do the standard public-key authentication. < 1322394203 745931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's what I'm asking. < 1322394212 710106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the private key isn't on donk at all, ssh-agent on blob works fine, etc. < 1322394226 357279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be very nice, since the only reason I have a traditional password on servers is for sudo. < 1322394234 669762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe with key forwarding and some pam module? Really I don't know much about pam. < 1322394245 940657 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I picked the wrong person! < 1322394254 696920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :afraid so < 1322394259 739715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=595817 < 1322394263 371455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha! This looks like it. < 1322394274 53848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This module provides authentication via ssh-agent. It takes 3 arguments, file=/path/to/authorized_keys, debug, and allow_user_owned_authorized_keys_file. If an ssh-agent listening at SSH_AUTH_SOCK can successfully authenticate that it has the secret key for a public key in the specified file, authentication is granted, otherwise authentication files" < 1322394276 121488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! Bravo! < 1322394286 486273 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, does this obsolete pam_ssh... < 1322394312 68298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I guess you need to forward the ssh agent thingy though? < 1322394316 819871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"libpam-ssh-agent allows you to SSH to a machine with agent forwarding, < 1322394316 999265 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use the agent to authorise PAM transactions, most notably sudo. < 1322394316 999452 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The upshot of this is that I can go:" < 1322394320 405551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how that works, I always avoided it < 1322394324 145857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: See http://pamsshagentauth.sourceforge.net/ < 1322394326 757111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always avoided what? < 1322394373 851495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :forwarding agent. Because of the security risks if someone else have root access to said machine. I mean, I may co-own a vps with someone without trusting them with my own private key. < 1322394387 107080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which agent forwarding iirc would open for. < 1322394389 995180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, this does not involve that at all. < 1322394405 362596 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If an ssh-agent listening at SSH_AUTH_SOCK can successfully authenticate that it has the secret key for a public key in the specified file, authentication is granted, otherwise authentication files" < 1322394412 261232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it says "agent forwarding" in the text you copied < 1322394416 239904 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Offering free authentication of a private key =/= offering private key. < 1322394422 911558 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you know how public-key cryptography works. < 1322394458 943013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. "On the remote system, if the ssh-agent connection is forwarded, it is also important that the root user is trustworthy, because they can access the agent socket (though not the key)." < 1322394466 814215 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B220.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322394469 82451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ssh-agent) < 1322394479 229897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which is what I meant. < 1322394487 722103 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's moronic, who designed that? < 1322394553 464456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, whoever gave root full access independent of file system permissions :P < 1322394591 299552 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why that's relevant, it's just a case of the socket exposing things it shouldnt' < 1322394593 816059 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1322394593 996064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't < 1322394602 988110 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-55.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1322394647 322183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, agent forwarding is designed to let you do recursive ssh with the private key locally basically. One use case would be ssh to some gateway kind of system of a LAN and then ssh to the system you want inside I guess < 1322394660 27901 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus you need that ability < 1322394663 156677 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's sooooo common. < 1322394672 110577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, that is what it was designed for. < 1322394675 673930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not your use case < 1322394683 376735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and agent forwarding isn't commonly used. < 1322394706 103516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it'd be more commonly used if it did something useful :) < 1322394712 963242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever. < 1322394813 971272 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the ssh protocol itself supports doing a pubkey auth after initial login < 1322394869 218153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful < 1322395379 492353 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is it normal to iterate SSH key generation until you get a randomart you like?) < 1322395390 449068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1322395396 432434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a "randomart"? < 1322395422 952956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the little pictures ssh-keygen draws you. Meant for host key authentication. < 1322395441 784589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that, relatively new stuff < 1322395452 121642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just compare the fingerprint instead < 1322395458 671389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in the old style string < 1322395688 56023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm can opengl rotation matrices cause gimbal lock? < 1322395705 104478 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why you expect me to know. < 1322395737 833495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, worth a try < 1322396071 250776 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1322396114 91141 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, can't all matrices? < 1322396114 351152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 13 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1322396128 211789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I guess so < 1322396134 980907 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ... < 1322396144 270021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1322396144 457115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so quaternions is our only hope? < 1322396157 297700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite a lot < 1322396427 299985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is annoying that 2D arrays in C use row-column order. < 1322396435 133956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :column-row would be so much better < 1322396471 160038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Dude, they use whatever order you specify. < 1322396483 496931 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :2D arrays in C are annoying. < 1322396495 477149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, if you want foo[4][4] = { { a, b, c} ... } < 1322396499 998269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err a,b,c,d < 1322396501 707500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway < 1322396506 738394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you write it as a constant there < 1322396507 853751 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, try passing one to a function. < 1322396509 644537 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, you have to specify it in the order you use it :P < 1322396516 518570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Try returning one. < 1322396521 456999 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Try returning a 1D array, for that matter. < 1322396540 622620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, problem is I want column-row in memory, but I don't want to have to turn my head when I write it in the source :P < 1322396556 560075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's why god invented code generation. < 1322396557 895111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, god. < 1322396560 759420 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We love you. < 1322397571 542709 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1322398734 961312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, code generation for a simple task like filling out an projection matrix is silly :P < 1322398814 227334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You call yourself a Unix user. (Do you? Anyway, it's a one-liner.) < 1322398818 618422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Dramatic exit < 1322404455 108668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1322405635 840840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322408519 255552 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-232.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1322408519 477657 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-232.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1322408519 477809 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1322408552 437993 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1322408899 658672 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1322409905 940050 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-55.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: gone < 1322410231 201648 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322413047 555342 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was quiet. Too quiet. < 1322413784 512553 :derrik!~xix@194.150.65.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322414199 345480 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322414237 462220 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1322414363 800559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yep < 1322414638 235914 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after reading today's iwc annotation, i predict dmm is currently receiving a flood of emails pointing out that AC doesn't move electrons from source to destination. < 1322415319 788477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and it breaks down for wired networks too when differential signalling is used. < 1322415347 266905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well kind of < 1322415368 443692 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wired networks? < 1322415386 577219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ethernet < 1322415389 302327 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1322415411 606662 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik ethernet uses differential signalling. < 1322415418 393041 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that is. < 1322415429 310387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_signaling < 1322415548 503236 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a dream that an apocalypse by velociraptor robots was coming < 1322415617 340418 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess that's easier than getting enough dna for actual cloning < 1322417260 694491 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also had a dream that one of my flashcard decks had 320000 due cards < 1322417439 835060 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SRS hell. < 1322417484 563908 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Jeeze, I consider it a long day when I've got 100 due) < 1322417501 442996 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have over 20 decks < 1322417533 682138 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i often take a couple hundred new cards a day < 1322417568 389965 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When your review methods include "write down the entire sentence", you're going to have time-consuming SRSing. < 1322417587 133070 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, probably, i never move a muscle < 1322417604 229839 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damned Japanese, being somewhat hard to ensure you actually notice the distinctions between characters otherwise. < 1322417621 619577 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's srs, a flashcard program? < 1322417630 787723 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I had been going for recognition, I'd pull stupid shit like confusing 義, 議, 儀... < 1322417648 203737 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SRS is a class of flashcard study methods. "Spaced repetition system". < 1322417669 876139 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, where the cards have a longer time between repetitions each time you study them and answer correctly. < 1322417672 226793 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently i still can't see kanji < 1322417685 221496 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. < 1322417694 505984 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use anki < 1322417700 543653 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, figurs. < 1322417703 568323 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figures, even. < 1322417709 576841 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably the most used one. < 1322417726 848217 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, it's not particularly good, lacks tons of very basic things i need all the tiem < 1322417728 738751 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*time < 1322417747 868495 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like? < 1322417764 65823 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance there's no way to get statistics for all decks at once < 1322417770 81085 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah. < 1322417781 823350 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's really rather annoying. < 1322417797 339540 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why I've got a single largish deck with all my Japanese stuff in it. < 1322417805 412158 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1322417834 163799 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i study my different japanese decks in different ways < 1322417866 856123 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just running with sentences. < 1322417890 978529 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working pretty well thus far. < 1322417911 935135 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably get a deck from english to japanese sentences. < 1322417917 77917 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like the most useful kind of deck < 1322418001 527460 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really? I at least find it insanely useful doing the fairly simple Japanese-> (Reading, dictionary lookup of things unknown, translation if available), and making sure I can read, write, and understand the sentence in question. < 1322418039 37394 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1322418053 288170 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that i have two decks for < 1322418099 553022 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't make my japanese decks) < 1322418121 865393 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not particularly focused on production. Y'know, I'd genuinely prefer to say "train station where?" and understand the response, rather than say "Excuse me, but could you tell me how I could find the train station" and be at a complete loss when someone answers. :P < 1322418138 499030 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1322418155 741915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, do you often visit Japan? < 1322418163 865668 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. < 1322418174 470106 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In fact, I have never been. < 1322418181 659425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you use your Japanese knowledge for then? < 1322418183 813936 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when watching anime, production is possibly even less useful < 1322418190 294082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322418196 965153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I guess that is a possible use < 1322418198 822282 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does knowledge need to be used for somethign < 1322418200 816379 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Mostly just Japanese media, ATM. < 1322418201 501891 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*something < 1322418222 532221 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322418229 482782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it doesn't < 1322418231 149851 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, my obsession with Japanese only started because "Hmm. I need to take a foreign language class in high school. Japanese doesn't sound boring. Let's do that." < 1322418240 92725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322418256 497877 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And after that, I've just been doing it because I like learning the language. < 1322418257 167787 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i basically flipped a coin between japanese and chinese < 1322418291 523859 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-232.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1322418291 952391 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-232.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1322418292 145631 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1322418434 566113 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I chose my language learning based on utility, I'd probably be learning ASL. Whiiiich it would actually behoove me to learn, TBH. < 1322418471 346274 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1322418485 665123 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be awesome < 1322418515 378927 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just i would like to learn both the finnish and the american version, dunno how much they differ < 1322418528 14600 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming i guessed your acronym right < 1322418531 94464 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rarely do < 1322418539 150956 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :American Sign Language? < 1322418544 604825 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1322418560 624904 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking it up, seems Finnish Sign Language is in a different language family entirely. < 1322418562 475040 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my other guess was that there's a language called age sex location < 1322418764 920753 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1322418790 862559 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-37.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322418807 546033 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm wondering if i should remove this one deck... or can kau as in buy also be used as the kanji for winning? < 1322418838 798079 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-37.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. I am unaware of that having those semantics. < 1322418855 540394 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1322418884 610002 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"who bought the game?" < 1322418913 610130 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-37.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the only sensible semantics I'm aware of. < 1322418950 185699 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a couple other instances here where they've obviously just used something with the same pronunciation < 1322418979 407552 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-37.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which premade deck are you using, anyways? < 1322418993 338746 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how to ttell the difference between japanese something something < 1322418995 687182 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tell < 1322419016 641119 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just use it to learn readings for kanji < 1322419144 171883 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also japanese coreplus and some listening comprehension decks and heisig's kanji deck and then another vocab deck, i love downloading decks. < 1322419310 353744 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322419366 904132 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1322419401 699860 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) walks into a bar < 1322419413 524791 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barman says, "Sorry, we don't cater to functions here" < 1322419495 702021 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that the punchline? < 1322419501 992242 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1322419555 103452 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1322419556 277320 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. < 1322419616 840841 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sine of x, cos of x, and e^x go to a party < 1322419644 170102 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sine of x and cos of x both go and have a good time < 1322419649 869879 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But e^x sits in the corner < 1322419666 82111 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody goes and talks to him, asks him why he's not joining in < 1322419704 877463 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^x says, "Sorry, but whenever I try to integrate, I end up with myself" < 1322419804 932358 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sine and cos aren't much better at that stuff < 1322419830 299422 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a small party < 1322419901 485883 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, good one < 1322419958 479178 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would tell you my last joke, but this IRC channel is too small to contain it < 1322419959 486074 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all n, are there n functions which derive into each other? are they unique? < 1322419986 818855 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All polynomials form an infinite chain of derivatives going upwards < 1322420037 500191 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they form infinitely many such chains, which are not disjoint < 1322420060 486524 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And end with 0 < 1322420086 504607 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1322420090 319201 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but that doesn't really answer the question < 1322420125 919586 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't officially learnt about integration yet < 1322420149 202220 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i doubt they'll teach you the answer to my question < 1322420164 293801 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you start your studies with advanced real analysis < 1322420177 341208 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I highly doubt that < 1322420204 69885 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 1, exponential, for 2, hyperbolic sine, for 4, sine. what else? < 1322420739 658217 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Get out of my way - or I'll differentiate you till you're zero!" "Try it - I'm e to the x..." "Too bad... I'm d/dy." < 1322421917 840810 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is amused
< 1322422451 852157 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you have the copyright to that joke < 1322422461 845125 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: No. < 1322422478 557269 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if anyone does < 1322422866 442325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322422923 326813 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let D : C^C \to C^C (let's say C_\infty functions only) be the differentiation operator, does it have a unique set of n periodic points of period n for all n? < 1322422931 841550 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :use your memory on that when you return < 1322422988 512800 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :meant to say C_\infty, although i don't recall whether it's a subscript or a superscript... not very good at recalling notaiton < 1322422990 580691 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*notation < 1322423054 690454 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i sent a text to my colleague and he solved it in 2 minutes, ignore that. < 1322423089 570537 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for analytic functions at least, it's kind of trivial for them but it's close enough a result in spirit < 1322423327 770 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322426068 802878 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-65-236.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322426069 358793 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-65-236.telstraclear.net QUIT :Changing host < 1322426069 537674 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1322426200 570854 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read my D&D game recording the end of what I wrote so far, tell me what would you do next if you are in that situation? < 1322426273 208861 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i haven't read this but i would use magic < 1322426373 585913 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to use magic for everything? < 1322426387 460953 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might eventually run out of magic. < 1322426405 959833 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or be prevented from using magic in some other way such as antimagic fields < 1322426512 913527 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd find a way < 1322426518 297728 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd use magic to get more magic < 1322426533 209324 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use THE POWER OF CHARISMA < 1322426556 757954 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not even being specific. < 1322426573 582440 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have to read it to figure out better, isn't it? < 1322426587 210202 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1322426605 640260 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1334C1.dip.t-dialin.net PART :#esoteric < 1322426628 504797 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my own plans too but I won't tell you what it is yet < 1322427623 63791 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322427790 752122 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear d&d has dragons. < 1322427809 886837 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are basically dinosaurs that breathe fire < 1322427818 401510 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it has dragons. But currently in the game I was playing in, no dragons have been found yet < 1322427818 681509 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work? < 1322427827 704953 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1322427833 687440 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some dragons are ice dragons instead of fire < 1322427836 701343 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you say magic, i will punch d&d. < 1322427874 282120 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/Fire.htm < 1322427949 215414 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay the author is retarded < 1322427957 190675 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*religious < 1322429153 715181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: D&D dragons are much more intelligent than dinosaurs, or really anything that is currently known to ever have existed < 1322429153 993037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1322429167 530019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they can do a bunch of bizarre things without magic, and magic just makes them even stronger < 1322429169 53801 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :more intelligent than humans? < 1322429173 889080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easily < 1322429180 891346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes them kind-of hard to roleplay/DM < 1322429181 70565 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :P_p < 1322429191 651014 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1322429220 679699 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :p_P < 1322429241 104315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott I didn't delete "why testing is good" and the other one, Keymaker did < 1322429241 481708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1322429375 842060 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: < 1322429430 144627 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah what's your game < 1322429438 218461 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1322429458 9071 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. < 1322429467 328031 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :really hi. < 1322429487 280562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1322429490 778471 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1322429495 460409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1322429500 138915 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1322429503 314056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1322429504 375867 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1322429511 449040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1322429513 235550 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1322429516 232064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1322429520 550108 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1322429524 375375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1322429525 370633 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1322429530 376197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1322429531 37993 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1322429537 191262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1322429538 31003 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1322429540 160620 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :---- < 1322429553 921289 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have to kill everyone on this channel < 1322429567 338004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I was actually counting that time, was determined not to lose again < 1322429575 737483 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm watching office < 1322429586 291063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose copy-paste would help get it perfect, but what would be the fun in that?) < 1322429666 832045 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1322429673 981914 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1322429680 850559 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1322429681 648859 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1322429683 6240 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1322429684 196513 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1322429685 503541 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1322429687 15139 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1322429688 343092 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1322429689 990189 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1322429691 826792 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1322429693 652048 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1322429713 431428 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1322429713 770555 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1322429714 434101 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1322429715 261639 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1322429716 143297 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1322429717 255717 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1322429718 588952 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1322429720 109866 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1322429721 611765 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1322429723 244241 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1322429750 690871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (o)(~(ko)*:S~:^):^ < 1322429750 869814 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okookokookokokookokokokookokokokokookokokokokokookokokokokokokookokokokokokokokookokokokokokokokokookokokokokokokokokokookokokokokokokokokokokookokokokokokokokokokokokookokokokokokokokokokokokokookokokokokokokokokokokokokokookokokokokokokokokokokokokokokookokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokookokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoo ...too much output! < 1322429757 880168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (o)(~(ko)*:S( )S~:^):^ < 1322429758 59051 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko okoko okokoko okokokoko okokokokoko okokokokokoko okokokokokokoko okokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokok ...too much output! < 1322429769 457743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (o )S(o)(~(ko)*:S( )S~:^):^ < 1322429769 659791 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o oko okoko okokoko okokokoko okokokokoko okokokokokoko okokokokokokoko okokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokok ...too much output! < 1322429794 15433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, /so tempted/ to submit it to anagolf… < 1322429802 172284 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1322429834 958140 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't there an anagolf which is tested manually and where you have to implement a specific algorithm < 1322429837 627340 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder < 1322429846 173997 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want that quicksort in golfscript < 1322429878 801008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322429894 829269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I never did end up figuring out how to automatically mark a question "implement a mergesort algo that splits the list into three lists and then sorts them individually and merges them" < 1322429923 359890 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could ask for mergesort specific data to be printed < 1322429931 868813 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: this dragons guy is the strangest ever. he believes in God making life and man making life and Jesus returning and has no understnading of modern warfare. where do such people live? < 1322429934 508945 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the sorted versions of halves of the lsit < 1322429935 517144 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :list < 1322429954 25347 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: obviously america < 1322429985 250685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but I wasn't allowed to modify the question < 1322430013 754758 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case you could just look at what functions are called and with what arguments < 1322430018 473332 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah, obviously. but elsewhere too? < 1322430030 693283 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at runtime < 1322430044 688264 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: maybe. crazy people out there < 1322430046 813560 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and out here < 1322430076 73613 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does he not have an understanding of modern warfare? i mean sure that was just ridiculous but i assume you have a better argument < 1322430101 640751 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1322430124 959861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: modern warfare doesn't involve dragons, therefore it sucks < 1322430142 89436 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole thing about making centaurs for cavalry < 1322430154 771354 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or fairy machine gun people < 1322430155 768996 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1322430159 962112 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1322430189 554553 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he described a predator drone that nullifies the main advantage of a predator drone: that no one dies when it's shot down < 1322430240 638552 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could just not give it equal rights, sorta like a modern nigger. < 1322430276 829901 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ woman / child / idiot < 1322430281 911612 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats true. we could throw out modern ethics and solve that problem easily eh < 1322430330 382759 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern ethics = living things are all equal? < 1322430333 745685 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1322430340 58804 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one gives a fuck if you rape a fish < 1322430344 167209 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one < 1322430389 134334 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean any more than if you rape a chair, people might think there's something wrong with you of course < 1322430433 356765 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess if you give it a human brain, which seems like something centaur might have... < 1322430446 291466 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking more like horse brain but the great looks of a human < 1322430632 728807 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My game is http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1322430654 98688 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DVI file is also in that directory and so is the include file with macros for D&D 3.5e recording < 1322430655 261915 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1322430860 545660 :derrik!~xix@194.150.65.92 QUIT :Quit: left < 1322430938 583121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no one gives a fuck if you rape a fish < 1322430953 731443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are certain negative connotations of sleeping with the fishes. < 1322431015 592326 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-137.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1322431036 540824 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::SDSDSDSDSDSDSDSD < 1322431038 877473 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good'n < 1322431079 300582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I stole it from the Simpsons' good era. < 1322431512 155344 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are not being very original toda < 1322431512 978799 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1322431952 771274 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322431964 143796 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : people are not being very original toda < 1322431982 464466 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I applied the joke in an original way? < 1322432007 500817 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1322432115 947061 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1322432166 822888 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1322433092 598322 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-232.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1322433092 777528 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-232.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1322433092 777653 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1322433177 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281087 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322433744 963818 :Betawolf!~betawolf@li151-44.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1322433761 178959 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1322433785 495691 :Nisstyre!~yours@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1322434013 729149 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1322434857 781823 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc2-sgyl21-0-0-cust501.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1322434861 881658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc2-sgyl21-0-0-cust501.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1322434862 60682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322435228 978033 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolaos_Bourbakis < 1322435238 639847 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a good name, wasted. < 1322435273 271432 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1322435285 770239 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume this is a reference to the other bourbakis, but i still don't get it < 1322435335 678141 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His name is a stone's throw away from "Nicolas Bourbaki" and he goes into image processing. < 1322435399 836603 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a famous singer whose name has hamming distance 1 from mine, and another singer with the same name as my dad < 1322435411 138184 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we're both just fucking around and doing nothing useful < 1322435482 393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A famous Finnish singer? < 1322435538 398018 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've sold a gold album in US so basically the most famous group in finland < 1322435543 955855 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :globally < 1322435566 349912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not Lordi, is it? < 1322435579 59326 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1322435579 676181 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1322435591 491835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lordi is the best thing about Finland. < 1322435603 215319 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like Sweden, Sweden is irrecoverably terrible. < 1322435618 935768 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1322435619 983448 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1322435648 100502 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweden and finland both have a lot of good metal bands < 1322435648 450170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So your name is one character away from "Ville Valo"? < 1322435657 139801 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit of a leap < 1322435680 881852 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've told this channel my name like 5 times < 1322435709 136309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not listening at any of them. < 1322435736 374111 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i assume you haven't read my master's thesis either < 1322435744 445612 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of rude. < 1322435751 784936 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read everything you ever published < 1322435807 436669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finding a list of Finnish names and listing those with a hamming distance of 1 from that is too much like hard work. < 1322435819 90888 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it turns out W|A does it, which is a bit of a stretch. < 1322435822 576820 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could look up common surnames < 1322435831 656636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I'll read your master's thesis. < 1322435859 323494 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. < 1322435870 485044 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems my surname is #21 < 1322435927 172559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where is your master's thesis.) < 1322435956 63866 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.fi/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=master's%20thesis%20ville%20salo&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftucs.fi%3A8080%2Fpublications%2Fattachment.php%3Ffname%3DtSalo11a.full.pdf&ei=SsXSTq2uDcbc4QS4_-0_&usg=AFQjCNGKsoCtnZGHqyuEfAFcc89GdOpBHw < 1322435964 41610 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice link. < 1322435977 137601 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't even work :DSAfd < 1322435991 865293 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait totally does < 1322436086 855411 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :please disregard the typo in the abstract < 1322436111 605836 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sent those for printing and then i'm like hmm did i ever get to writing an abstract.... < 1322436437 41731 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1322436470 870657 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can read our survey on picture-walking automata for a more complete treatment of picture-walking automata < 1322436480 895511 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about picture-walking automata < 1322436759 348549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1322437491 108578 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection