< 1322265627 270947 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1322265643 594474 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322265747 1191 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81e5f7.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1322265868 629479 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1322265951 215327 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-27-183.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1322265955 45649 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess oerjan was rather timely then. <-- namedropping us is bad now? >:P < 1322265955 458717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1322265958 713467 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-27-183.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1322265958 892286 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1322266107 48845 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1322266186 678614 :Ngevd!026357bd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.87.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1322266227 442501 :jix!~jix@dronf.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1322266251 115183 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1322266257 122068 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1322266286 25651 :jix!~jix@dronf.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322266410 385574 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1322266696 69531 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I say sentences of that format a lot <-- maybe you could define an alias. < 1322266736 841879 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, he just left. < 1322267068 363412 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ended lamely <-- that Capital city article seems to show up often. < 1322267304 888888 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Phantom_Hoover: Help I wrote two Perl programs and didn't feel disgusted with myself what does this mean? <-- i don't understand the question >:) < 1322267305 206532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1322267581 420361 :kallisti!~eris@h91.51.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott it means you should embark on a long soul-searching quest to discover who you really are. < 1322267581 710416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1322267690 583669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1322269453 682290 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322269488 693099 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8ADFD.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1322270075 278401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1322270934 146865 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4271c.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322271902 284736 :kallisti!~eris@h91.51.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1322272061 19747 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm retrying United States with elliott's section rule changes the path after Syphilis#Tertiary < 1322272144 584337 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322272167 536444 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syphilis#Tertiary -> Aortic aneurysm -> Bleeding -> Blood donation -> Shelf life -> Eating -> Activities of daily living < 1322272406 415572 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Old age -> Geriatrics -> Greek language -> English language -> Slang -> Euphemism -> Friendly fire -> Fratricide -> Siblicide -> Human < 1322272584 321018 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Anthropology -> Positivism -> Auguste Comte -> Altruism -> Ethical egoism -> Individualist anarchism -> Benjamin Tucker -> Liberty (1881–1908) -> Pierre-Joseph Proudhon < 1322272687 199038 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Loan -> Bond (finance) -> Perpetuity -> Valuation (finance) -> Lawsuit < 1322272720 436683 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fart -> punk rock -> the offspring -> alternative songs -> coldplay -> teenage cancer trust -> wirral -> Wirral Metropolitan College -> Wirral Peninsula -> Hundred (county subdivision) < 1322272814 483200 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Civil law (common law) -> Equity (law) -> Common law -> Australia, which i'm sure i saw earlier today and i think it ended up eventually in the Petronas Towers loop < 1322272908 570911 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1322272969 469682 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> japan -> infant mortality -> child mortality -> Millennium Development Goals -> AIDS -> Needle-exchange programme -> HIV -> Cancer -> List of causes of death by rate -> World Health Organization -> United Nations Development Group -> United Nations Development Programme -> Human Development Report -> (loops back to United Nations Development Programme) < 1322273034 47354 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: sounds like the end there might be another common one < 1322273047 358932 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curiously DMM also enters the japan set < 1322273058 907378 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david morgan-mar? < 1322273130 366377 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Morgan-Mar -> Canon (company) -> Ōta, Tokyo -> Kamata Station (Tokyo) -> Japan -> < 1322273210 752392 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah he works at Canon, so it's not that strange < 1322273323 930282 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway -> Human Development Index -> Human development (humanity) -> Capability approach, this looks familiar. < 1322273332 908216 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1322273366 954434 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322273529 509938 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that one ended in the Tests of general/special relativity loop < 1322274227 829289 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which house systems is it possible to make a sundial to project? < 1322274249 810144 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322274272 400607 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of the digital sundial (a mathematical construction which iirc requires the axiom of choice) < 1322274325 945906 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read about digital sundials in Wikipedia that uses optical fiber to cause the light to make up digits < 1322274385 259716 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mathematics for fractal digital sundial is described but I do not see a mention of the axiom of choice < 1322274413 277041 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it doesn't require it, it seems, and is actually practical? < 1322274486 723293 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :digital sundial eh? so the idea is a sophisticated mapping of sun direction to light up a display of arabic numerals? < 1322274489 971856 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool idea < 1322274539 786170 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1322275324 680224 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you'd want a house system which can be determined from the precise position of the sun in the sky, presumably. and i think there will be at least some positions that happen twice in a year as the sun wanders between the tropics in both directions < 1322275381 288824 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps those two days will also have matching houses < 1322275403 40263 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, each day in spring will have a matching day in autumn) < 1322275480 552738 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or very close to matching < 1322275575 595330 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have anything to do with analemma or Sun declination (in equatorial coordinates)? < 1322275588 943021 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what those are < 1322275618 189589 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the final issue of Batman R.I.P., the Joker explains to an organization trying to destroy Batman that there is no use trying because Batman is always so far ahead in figuring out every scheme against him. Joker attributes this to _apophenia_, saying that he has literally been driven insane by this alone." < 1322275656 456393 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equatorial coordinates means measure position of planets and sun and so on on the equatorial plane. The other way is to use the ecliptic. < 1322275734 770546 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well the tropics are the largest magnitude latitudes of the sun in that system, i assume < 1322275763 149122 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is correct. < 1322275907 283757 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia: "Since the Earth's mean solar day is almost exactly 24 hours, an analemma can be traced by plotting the position of the Sun as viewed from a fixed position on Earth at the same clock time every day for an entire year." Using the horizon view and timed exposure modes in Astrolog, you can plot the analemma on the computer. < 1322276048 680958 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The analemma is plotted using azimuth/altitude coordinates) < 1322276080 526386 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, the analemma would be relevant. although you'd really want an analemma based on when you're in the same _house_ position each day < 1322276095 796192 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if those don't intersect, you can make a sundial. < 1322276417 85084 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1322276436 805579 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*when the sun is in the same house position < 1322276644 986558 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If space in the heavens is the basis for house division, the sky is divided into equal arcs of 30° each. Here, too, a difference will be made as to whether these divisions are made based on the ecliptic, or on the celestial equator." < 1322276650 178932 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322276681 9058 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd _guess_ that if you use the celestial equator, a house will be a fixed part of the sky, so should work with a sundial. < 1322276690 375276 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and easily. < 1322277083 402016 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know house systems always place the cusps on the ecliptic (although the different systems might project the equator or prime vertical or whatever). Regiomontanus houses: "The celestial equator is divided into twelve, and these divisions are projected on to the ecliptic along great circles that take in the north and south points on the horizon." < 1322277095 684507 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Campanus houses: "The prime vertical (the great circle taking in the zenith and east point on the horizon) is divided into twelve, and these divisions are projected on to the ecliptic along great circles that take in the north and south points on the horizon." < 1322277206 752283 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1322279096 492514 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1322279863 133881 :madbrain!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1322279867 189514 :madbrain!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1322279873 820989 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho < 1322279875 730511 :madbrain!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca NICK :madbrrr < 1322279884 305030 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cold, is it? < 1322279897 682329 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in montreal, yeah :D < 1322279915 640706 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to figure out if chess is turing complete < 1322279929 798256 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1322279940 323635 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you allow walls and an infinite board and an infinitely repeating pattern for the infinite tape < 1322279950 66575 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite chessboard, same distribution of pieces? < 1322279967 736869 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no basically your program is the initial setup :D < 1322279975 536323 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1322279985 361232 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the output is? < 1322279989 361582 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrrr: well then the question is what is a wall... < 1322279990 179646 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shortest checkmate? < 1322280006 43624 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a part of the board? < 1322280007 471138 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus: space that pieces can't go through < 1322280033 440395 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :exept that horses can still jump over it < 1322280073 913931 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: whether it's the white or the black player that can win 100% of the time perhaps? < 1322280100 22289 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially you take one small walled corner somewhere < 1322280106 216863 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and setup the white king < 1322280114 908613 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 move away from being checkmated :D < 1322280123 259948 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm confused < 1322280123 947745 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know enough about turing machines to actually add to this < 1322280129 779097 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4271c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1322280132 612728 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so to stay alive he has to keep the black king in check < 1322280137 321800 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1322280144 237853 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only need one bit of output < 1322280146 53135 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1322280169 572091 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically each move, the white player must do one move to keep the black king in check < 1322280185 501212 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the black king has to move out of check < 1322280364 891039 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously with setups of rooks you can move the king around < 1322280379 666597 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you, say, store a bit? < 1322280419 432988 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrrr: er, you're not referring to castling, because the king can only do that on its first move < 1322280448 244817 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not while in check, iirc < 1322280476 904313 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah I don't think castling could be used to perform computation < 1322280540 254201 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1322280572 329875 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if brainfuck can do computation then chess can < 1322280606 833381 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some other generalized games, such as chess, checkers (draughts), and Go are EXPTIME-complete because a game between two perfect players can be very long, so they are unlikely to be in PSPACE. But they will become PSPACE-complete if a polynomial bound on the number of moves is enforced. < 1322280612 240554 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1322280635 582992 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be relevant < 1322280652 158969 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you have this setup < 1322280652 953969 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :############### < 1322280653 132906 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#R R #r#### < 1322280653 133011 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#RR # K# < 1322280653 133053 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :## k ###### < 1322280653 133093 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :############ < 1322280660 890449 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for arbitrary large, but finite board, of course < 1322280662 972790 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :white to play < 1322280681 258118 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if white does anything other than check the black king, he's dead < 1322280701 388327 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a wall is essentially a hole in the board, isn't it. < 1322280705 273105 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1322280708 467121 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so part of the board shape < 1322280735 423755 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be possible to do computation without walls but I'm starting with the simpler case < 1322280764 458762 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, to check the black king, white has to move one of his rooks < 1322280765 242425 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1322280857 371011 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-156-33.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1322280858 16730 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are four ways for the uppercase player to put the lowercase player in check as far as I can see. < 1322280860 219426 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322280892 658419 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: except the black king can escape from the small diagonal hole :D < 1322280921 270767 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In tsume shogi, too, you are required to put opponent in check on every turn < 1322280953 898635 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrrr: Yes, I can see that; eventually black will win. However white can still put black in check < 1322280990 605585 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-194-36.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1322281014 420084 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is to come up with a setup where you force the king through a set of corridors < 1322281041 706341 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which moves the white's pieces around < 1322281062 228767 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have computation using those pieces' position < 1322281183 428594 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks to me like that setup is a checkmate by moving an R down... < 1322281207 588688 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no see once you get to this: < 1322281219 716562 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the one you pasted < 1322281256 724990 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :############### < 1322281256 903733 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#R R #r#### < 1322281257 82707 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#R R # K# < 1322281257 82888 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :## k###### < 1322281257 82989 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :############ < 1322281264 466625 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :white to play < 1322281272 916427 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :next move is obviously < 1322281285 499754 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :############### < 1322281285 678856 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#R R#r#### < 1322281285 679044 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#R R # K# < 1322281285 679148 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :## k###### < 1322281285 679250 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :############ < 1322281291 937618 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrrr: er i'm saying that the first one you pasted will never get to that point because it's a one-move checkmate < 1322281304 591877 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1322281311 435300 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh right < 1322281334 476437 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many Rs that he can just block all 3 rows, right < 1322281361 672194 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is a one move checkmate < 1322281374 146973 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1322281396 311554 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible to change it, I suppose? Would it help to add new kind of pieces such as the Chinese cannons? < 1322281412 843230 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1322281431 85967 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find something where you don't have to forbit perpetual check < 1322281436 24327 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*forbid < 1322281471 79716 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm guessing that's not necessary. i mean the EXPTIME thing i pasted must essentially imply that it's possible to do arbitrary _finite_ computation, so it would be strange if an infinite board wasn't TC < 1322281479 537640 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this < 1322281480 26459 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :############### < 1322281480 205230 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#RR #r#### < 1322281480 384258 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :## # K# < 1322281480 384432 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :## k ###### < 1322281480 563077 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :############ < 1322281503 468292 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :black king can just force a draw by going back and forth < 1322281503 647106 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese cannon = When not capturing, moves the same as a rook, but when it is capturing, there must be exactly one piece (of any color and type) in between the from square and the target (this piece in between is called a "screen" and is unaffected by this move) < 1322281525 549201 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: hm < 1322281575 825314 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to do it with FIDE pieces only :D < 1322281592 179835 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if there's no good way it might require some extra pieces yeah < 1322281640 220140 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an idea just occured to me < 1322281641 280501 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That is why all the games were modified by playing them on an n × n board instead; in some cases, such as for Chess, these extensions are somewhat artificial and subjective." < 1322281681 706746 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is possible that it requires something else. but the walls seem to me like such a thing already. < 1322281687 856598 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, what are rules for pawns going to be? I suppose it can be based on the relative positions of pawns to walls < 1322281688 35398 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the time these games are about static pieces.. but game of life is a game about dynamic objects on a board < 1322281728 85474 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: I was thinking white pawns go up, black pawns go down :o < 1322281744 550056 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: well it's unusual in that you change a lot of cells simultaneously < 1322281765 858197 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrrr: Yes, but I mean for double step and promotion < 1322281776 613425 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but suppose that a game like chess had pieces which had rules which didn't allow them to sit still unless they were stuck < 1322281805 708931 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: dunno, was thinking of presuming that the game was ongoing so no double step < 1322281819 427106 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going off on a tangent though... big tangent < 1322281821 1700 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and promotion, well, they'd have to reach the top of the program for that no? :D < 1322281838 246991 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: mind you there are other kinds of games where one player makes a lot of moves in their turn, like RISK < 1322281881 773454 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of strategic conquest games, in fact < 1322281885 250300 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: You could have the game, each piece has to move exactly once on your turn; if they are stuck, they don't move, and if all your pieces are stuck you are stalemated. < 1322281922 819474 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vinci is another that comes to mind < 1322281934 49088 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*catches my breath trying not to derail the other topic too far* like a set of rules for each piece which it has to follow.. < 1322281970 219282 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you don't tell a piece where to move each turn, it does it on its own.. and you just have some limited control .. like maybe allowed to specify movements of n pieces per turn < 1322282004 537984 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you might for instance have pieces which explore the edges of a room < 1322282012 394802 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh room? i mean an enclosed space < 1322282033 279285 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or pieces which move across a space back and forth < 1322282042 929662 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like something that must already have been made. < 1322282054 262651 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything has already been made(tm) < 1322282088 899321 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1322282091 312429 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its probably just not very easy to do on a board < 1322282099 507085 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more of a computer-powered task < 1322282099 685991 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, everything that doesn't require a new invention to work < 1322282111 864049 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort of tautological < 1322282136 746822 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1322282153 975325 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in my minds eye i see like a 16bit role playing game village < 1322282167 624728 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where each townsfolk is performing some patterned walking < 1322282246 723601 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be surprised if there wasn't someone here who had played such a game. but i don't play that kind of games much, and i don't ... oh wait, lemmings is a bit like that < 1322282272 893553 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn it < 1322282284 338150 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to find a good contraption using chess pieces < 1322282316 648441 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrrr: you want it to be deterministic, too, to encode a TM < 1322282363 556034 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that means you need a setup where there is only one possible check on each move < 1322282372 354936 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one possible king move in response < 1322282390 136398 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrrr: well or only one possible which doesn't allow the king to escape < 1322282398 591372 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an unwanted direction < 1322282412 331823 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds hard to evaluate < 1322282445 616895 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well but it's the kind of evaluation you need for solving chess problems, anyway... < 1322282452 694709 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have game involving the board changing. One possibility is the board changes size after every few turns, or they have night time and day time, another idea I had is a game that adds a dimension every few turns. Or have cards that adjust the rules for the board. < 1322282481 903410 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it might not have to take _long_ to escape. just in case you need a little extra flexibility beyond a single immediate possibility < 1322282519 774663 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : ## < 1322282519 996446 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : ## # < 1322282519 996624 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : ## # P < 1322282519 996728 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : ## # P < 1322282519 996832 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :## # P < 1322282520 481945 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#k# P < 1322282520 660788 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :## P < 1322282521 481386 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :##PP < 1322282532 336841 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is fairly deterministic < 1322282557 845553 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :P is for pawn? < 1322282561 310259 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but non resettable :( < 1322282562 484200 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1322282584 302553 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the resetting might be tricky. in fact you can just about ignore pawns for this reason. < 1322282616 548712 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that leaves rooks, bishops, knights and queens < 1322282629 123706 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and extra kings < 1322282665 96722 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :extra kings feels like cheating. < 1322282665 364362 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :-? lemmings is a lot like that. nice point < 1322282683 533265 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :queens seem to have too much range < 1322282702 95061 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although an idea I have thought of this year is a game that uses a horoscope as the board, updating in real time (so the time you take to make your move has consequences; obviously a time limit would also be required for each turn); you could have cards, with certain configurations you make allows you to play cards to adjust harmonic factors and house settings and whatever < 1322282702 668178 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to make setups where they only can give one possible check < 1322282764 428901 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A game I have read about is called Quintuple Arcana, I don't know much about it except for: * The board and pieces * It has complete information and non random * The rules are extremely complicated and modes change depending on things in the game * There are even different levels of rules < 1322282766 236924 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that leaves mostly rooks, bishops and knights < 1322282779 435004 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so with the lemmings idea.. you could have a stream of pawns coming out of one tile every few moves, and your job is then to assign it a role such as queen or rook or knight < 1322282803 479129 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Or bishop, too < 1322282811 27348 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some deterministic behaviour for each one < 1322282825 706213 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there could be something in that < 1322282856 260014 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait how does dwarf fortress fit in this :P < 1322282866 63239 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent played dwarf fortress < 1322282869 252286 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)) < 1322282869 658709 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1322282884 650257 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1322282884 829206 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# B ### < 1322282884 829388 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# B R# < 1322282884 829493 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#BB# k ### < 1322282884 829599 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :######### < 1322282885 705579 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress fits into everything < 1322282892 410407 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but from listening to those who do, it sounds like it has lots of roles < 1322282911 901811 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somewhat self-determining characters < 1322282918 791235 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can imagine uh 2 aristocrats sitting by a board while a servant shifts the pieces around < 1322282966 609191 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the notations would be something like: g5 to bishop < 1322282984 140216 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is now reading Dr. McNinja
< 1322282995 355544 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a game called "Giveaway Chess Puzzle", where you can make one move each turn. Goal is to lose all of your pieces. You must capture if able, otherwise you can make any move (if more than one capture is possible, you can choose which one). On computer player's turn, they automatically make all possible captures simultaneously. < 1322283002 420891 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok bishops might do it < 1322283004 329275 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrrr: you are going to somehow need pieces to be able to check in different contexts to reset things < 1322283032 683844 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the chess -> lemmings conceptual bridge there was quite wonderful < 1322283039 86881 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322283062 686210 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what's the computational class of lemmings < 1322283066 175479 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can allow two pieces to end up in the same place. If they are the same kind of piece, it becomes a single piece of that kind. If they are different kind, it becomes a piece that cannot go. A computer player's piece might capture more than one thing, duplicating itself. If computer player's pieces cannot capture, you lose. < 1322283098 755699 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's likely that lemmings has a crazy computational class like NP complete < 1322283105 276972 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have promotion, en passan, double step, check, checkmate, castling, etc < 1322283128 866057 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like how in the movie The One, he kills his multiverse selves to become more powerful < 1322283130 859422 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrrr: NP complete is nowhere near crazy enough there :P < 1322283149 173340 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSPACE-complete#Discussion < 1322283219 976532 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :particularly last half < 1322283277 712760 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(( < 1322283319 70415 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heavy math topics made all the more inviting by board games < 1322283322 343050 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by that i mean that the first half is more likely to explode your brain, and doesn't really talk about games. < 1322283340 267946 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1322283342 619761 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1322283386 720580 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemmings can present an obstacle that requires either N bashers, or M diggers < 1322283393 739722 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any value of N or M < 1322283396 750658 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks for recognizing the brain exploding potential of these things < 1322283414 402007 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: your :(( gave me a bit of a clue there :P < 1322283429 136221 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it can present an obstacle that can be crossed with any combinations of bashers/diggers < 1322283438 904558 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sick of these assholes in my other chatroom .. < 1322283446 853207 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like half of them. and the other half i don't < 1322283457 872137 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/N, 2/M, 3/O, 4/P, 5/Q, 6/R.... < 1322283484 593991 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can ignore about 40% of them.. but that remaining 10% causes all the grief < 1322283514 426442 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact an obstacle can have more or less any number of paths through it < 1322283542 705425 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :those paths can require any combination of bashers, diggers and builders < 1322283695 610112 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1322283772 619437 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1322283832 812443 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can setup an infinite tape in lemmings < 1322283840 678230 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe even infinite lemmings < 1322283879 410298 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like puzzles.. i don't know why.. < 1322283909 205611 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the very word puzzle makes me kind of run away from a game < 1322283932 443111 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :best games are the ones where you have to plan < 1322283937 777723 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be that i'm dumb < 1322283940 728521 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :example: mario 64 < 1322283963 402924 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing about mario you see... is that mario isn't just a puzzle dressed up with pretty pictures < 1322283982 728507 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in mario 64 you run around the level < 1322283989 304229 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for the hell of it < 1322283989 483074 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_complexity < 1322283990 906905 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... < 1322283998 420257 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and figure out that it has a bunch of paths, each with deadliness N < 1322284004 310568 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then find out a star < 1322284018 597542 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprise, to get that star, you have to go in spots X, Y Z < 1322284030 985071 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.... < 1322284036 766902 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the puzzle is figuring out the path that has the least overall deadliness < 1322284046 218912 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps by that time it did start to become a puzzle < 1322284075 994996 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its very difficult for me to put into words < 1322284078 406539 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of games are puzzles, but very, very cleverly hidden puzzles < 1322284095 984703 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but theres a fine line between game and non-game i think < 1322284140 678809 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 lemmings < 1322284145 171307 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a good action game is about figuring out the game world and how to pass through its typical obstacle setup < 1322284154 645440 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder which neuroses affect my interest in puzzle games < 1322284176 905196 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's part learning timings etc, but also it's a puzzle < 1322284187 357251 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was never content with just getting through lemmings levels < 1322284190 799453 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to go back and save my blockers too < 1322284191 872626 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1322284196 442790 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :iti: it's the presentation... some puzzle games can have a very boring presentation < 1322284214 381270 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ex: sokoban < 1322284220 686898 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't care less.. unless it has boring puzzles :P < 1322284220 865688 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love nothing more than to philosophize about these things < 1322284225 513370 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sokoban is boring < 1322284229 725774 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude pushing boxes? fuck you < 1322284231 488614 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine as a component of other puzzle games < 1322284236 192325 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a theme level < 1322284241 911892 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't want to play 100 sokoban levels in a row < 1322284254 270476 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best puzzles have mechanical ingenuity and also variety < 1322284257 176065 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzles become more interesting when they involve punching a dude in the face < 1322284259 598634 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres this element of representation which the presentation adds < 1322284278 310157 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean " iti: it's the presentation... some puzzle games can have a very boring presentation" < 1322284296 79239 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :representation as in, representing things from the real world, or from other works of fiction < 1322284316 495819 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the presentation can bring that representation < 1322284348 830772 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, that is one of the advantages of 3d games which can more closely represent the world around us < 1322284365 987725 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :other thing that I don't like: games where you can never kill the badguys < 1322284378 994140 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :only stun them for a couple seconds < 1322284391 90597 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so perhaps for people who like puzzle games, they are more capable of abstractly relating the business in a puzzle back to the real world < 1322284401 241267 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://67.168.184.168:81/leet1.gif - leet7.gif :> < 1322284402 19376 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas someone like me requires that shallow relation < 1322284404 621849 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricksy lemmingses < 1322284430 352277 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea itidus < 1322284436 328677 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1322284437 821789 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care if it is anything like the real world :P < 1322284457 85753 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my three favorite puzzle games has a marble that you move around with the mouse and basically play a game of memory with < 1322284462 873874 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(through numerous obstacles) < 1322284476 873995 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very world-like :) < 1322284483 699262 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so the problem with sokoban is that you can't learn much from it perhaps? < 1322284494 514204 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, the problem with sokoban is that it's boring < 1322284503 705770 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just fundamentally boring basically? :D < 1322284504 17132 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i want from a puzzle game is FIGURING OUT NEW THINGS < 1322284515 130756 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's only so many ways you can figure out how to push a box in four directions < 1322284520 656091 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything after that is just variations on a theme < 1322284534 325532 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind variations on a theme either, but it's rather monotonous in a game as simple as sokoban < 1322284546 948713 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite games have lots of variety, lots of levels, and they never bore me :) < 1322284590 773831 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time i like them with complex interactions, like chip's challenge or something < 1322284594 288981 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where there are lots of different pieces < 1322284594 507124 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm yeah.. theres rarely real world sokoban puzzles... but it would make an interesting take for a "saw" movie < 1322284598 770969 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at the same time < 1322284605 53058 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another of my favorites is crystalex < 1322284612 401266 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a pretty simple game, it just had great level design < 1322284619 694635 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a little ball that bounces up and down < 1322284623 876230 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you move it left and right < 1322284627 160466 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game such as Hero Mesh can have a lot of level and lot of pieces. Currently you have to pay, but I have been working on a similar kind of thing but with Free software (and with some other things fixed too; so files cannot be directly compatible) < 1322284628 490859 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. someone trapped in a real world sokoban puzzle..with an ipad in his hand showing him the current state of things < 1322284634 127467 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1322284646 679328 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of hero mesh < 1322284656 613467 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope.. < 1322284673 921340 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean mesh:hero ? < 1322284679 392180 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1322284681 661503 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a PHP version once which is more than half complete but is slow and crashes a lot. < 1322284685 547363 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like my kind of game < 1322284688 417802 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later I will write a better program in C. < 1322284689 470552 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of dated graphics though < 1322284695 527034 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that that matters much to me < 1322284698 387303 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the puzzles are good ;) < 1322284707 299723 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4271c.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1322284718 627290 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes the puzzles are good. < 1322284724 414777 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it looks quite a bit like a ripoff of chip's challenge haha < 1322284728 233952 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :collect the chips/collect the hearts < 1322284729 54016 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1322284729 868536 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1322284733 617355 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just think it would be very funny if there was some movie about a sokoban killer who traps his victims in sokoban mazes < 1322284740 23646 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make up your own kind of pieces too. < 1322284744 165393 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.puzzlebeast.com/ has some basic multi element puzzles that are taken to the extreme using genetic algorithms to make difficult levels < 1322284749 689057 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the hardest ones you have to look extremely far ahead < 1322284752 845116 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1322284766 56738 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :genetic algorithms based on what fitness function? how many players solve them? < 1322284766 517798 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1322284779 550929 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on how difficult it looks to solve < 1322284786 176808 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1322284787 307457 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ithink it looks at how long the solution is, as well as how many branches there are < 1322284790 582785 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it xplains it on the site < 1322284797 87424 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if they already made a sokoban the movie trailer < 1322284797 747360 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.puzzlebeast.com/about/index.html < 1322284802 834274 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1322284818 184634 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember some dude who tried to make a genetic shmup < 1322284824 153729 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fitness function was how long someone played it for < 1322284824 778747 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1322284830 637338 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will probably have even more limited graphics in my version, such as no animation and only one size of icons. As well as removing some other commands and adding a few new ones. < 1322284837 149600 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, mesh:hero reminds me (just looking at it not playing it) of drod and wonderquest < 1322284839 140596 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you played those? < 1322284895 285270 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the level, you might not necessarily have to collect all the hearts. There can be different kind of rules you can program in, involving different kind of things. < 1322284973 814933 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope and nope < 1322284979 364291 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there's lots i haven't played < 1322284984 297300 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a particular hatred of boulderdash though < 1322284990 865738 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not boulderdash's fault < 1322284993 166220 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all the clones < 1322284993 756247 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1322285015 431090 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.puzzlebeast.com/slidingblock/sliding_irritating.html <- irritating indeed < 1322285019 426794 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't a fun puzzle, just a long one < 1322285019 957457 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1322285022 240508 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries the next one
< 1322285022 419381 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend to remove the GotoLevel command, since WinLevel and LoseLevel can imply those. As well as making object pointers not be machine pointers (preventing crashing and randomness), having restrictions on IgnoreKey (preventing breaking replayability), and so on. < 1322285032 37915 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not played drod and wonderquest < 1322285058 910158 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to shrink the resolution of MESH:Hero? It's taking up more than my current screen < 1322285064 757240 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the java implementation leaves a lot to be desired < 1322285065 125192 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Yes. < 1322285080 559092 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :View -> Image size A < 1322285088 300242 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1322285088 795770 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drod < 1322285091 147937 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadly rooms of death < 1322285096 897986 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't recognize it lowercase < 1322285103 692277 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm ambivalent towards that one < 1322285113 328896 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i played a bunch of kroz levels as a tiny kid haha < 1322285129 289538 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a 'view' button < 1322285131 965374 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on the demo < 1322285165 495271 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing about presentation/display of a game is that various presentation(im overusing this word) methods just work more naturally with how our mind reacts to the world < 1322285205 323437 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like we have the understanding there already to process 3d coloured shapes... to compare 3d coloured shapes < 1322285234 951490 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if we ignore these processing facilities of the brain we can potentially make some comprehensions more burdensome < 1322285246 29797 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: The new version might have all those problem; I have the old version. I can make a shareware copy of the old version < 1322285251 401545 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also our facility for symbolic association and so on < 1322285251 580440 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1322285311 507217 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like seeing a bar graph comparison of 10 vs 15.. compared to seeing the numbers 10 vs 15 < 1322285327 997848 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably each have their own perceptive biases < 1322285407 387943 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is.. in a bar graph it becomes a representation of ratio of 2:3 < 1322285457 38465 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the numbers will give us more accuracy in doing arithmetic, but in actually comparing i would wonder if we better compare the bargraph < 1322285461 559840 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i just don't have any trouble with abstract visualization < 1322285469 664487 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, when you're solving a puzzle, usually associations harm you < 1322285498 359877 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(associations lead to assumptions, and assumptions prevent new ideas) < 1322285539 603673 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha this shit's got lasers and fire and balloons and stuff < 1322285541 807261 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic :) < 1322285546 550659 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of associations and assumptions? < 1322285551 54686 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi\: i think i'm just not that smart really. < 1322285551 893070 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any kind < 1322285563 546394 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the key to solving puzzles is to always be able to come up with new ideas < 1322285573 108287 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps if you're good at coming up with ideas that are close to correct < 1322285583 628806 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most people i've seen get stuck by running out of ideas < 1322285585 83305 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't get anything out of a puzzle unless the relationship of the puzzle to the real world is obvious and shallow < 1322285598 396586 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too bad :( < 1322285609 723929 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure why though < 1322285616 142498 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame it on some neuroses < 1322285648 315473 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1322285662 601933 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1322285668 757542 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been doing puzzles since i was a little kid < 1322285674 757431 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad used to buy me one every birthday and every christmas < 1322285688 553760 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he eventually got pissed because they never lasted past the day i got them < 1322285689 421662 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1322285704 833414 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he told me in the end he would just go into puzzlettes and be like 'what's the hardest puzzle you have?' < 1322285734 749778 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even so, variety is required to hold my interest; i couldn't for example get heavy into block disassembly puzzles or something like that < 1322285741 50360 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a few of many different kinds < 1322285747 570058 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1322285765 729809 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my favorites is evil < 1322285766 505458 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the old version is 16-bit program. It does not allow loading or creating puzzle sets with more than three levels, but it does allow programming your own rules (unlike the new shareware version). < 1322285780 183015 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a little cage that holds a steel marble < 1322285804 564736 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.calendars.com/img/p/400/200100010306.jpg < 1322285814 293286 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :last person i let try to solve it bent the bars and still didn't get it out :( < 1322285816 275939 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to get a new one < 1322285832 62591 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my old one was old enough that it had a shiny spot in the middle of the bars from friction with the ball haha < 1322285835 882332 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are you meant to do? < 1322285843 149555 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not obvious? :P < 1322285846 987548 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi\: i find it all too easy to think up impossible situations.. do you find that your understanding of puzzles helps avoid such things? < 1322285851 961244 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goal = remove steel ball < 1322285866 496274 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: not sure what you mean < 1322285874 599984 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean you give up too easily? < 1322285892 601248 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i could come up with a situation that i could declare absolutely impossible :P < 1322285899 645459 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i'm not gonna float up into space and walk on the sun anytime soon < 1322285902 603524 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't quite rule it out < 1322285903 292050 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1322285914 647227 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1322285940 958980 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible means... never, in all time < 1322285945 32708 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer highly improbable :) < 1322285946 560087 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi\: ok so one of the nastiest puzzles i suppose is... you're on death row.. you don't want to die. < 1322285970 569010 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it? < 1322285982 408716 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, solution: don't commit felonies < 1322285982 929078 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1322285992 243657 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, weasel your way around the legal system for decades < 1322285999 47841 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just man up and get it over with < 1322286000 135167 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1322286007 431385 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now on the surface it must seem impossible as if god himself (not to purport some religion) built the prison < 1322286008 657002 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't consider that a puzzle, it's a situation < 1322286012 192685 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzles have solutions :) < 1322286033 310707 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. would you say then that some situations don't have solutions? :> < 1322286052 969046 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you're on death row there are still solutions < 1322286060 246443 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean they've very likely, but there ARE possibiliites < 1322286075 192622 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :presidential pardon, for example :P < 1322286093 968164 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new evidence, jail break, bribery, nuclear holocaust... heh < 1322286099 716666 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1322286106 386615 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombie breakout < 1322286118 440980 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway.. i think such things is the uh... the true power of the master puzzle solver < 1322286135 361235 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs helplessly
< 1322286146 990033 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solving difficult situations < 1322286148 518918 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember distinctly one time when my little brother was having a go at one of my block puzzles < 1322286165 341241 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this kind is made up of these c-shaped wooden blocks of various length < 1322286166 32409 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1322286174 578354 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres something on wiki about learned helplessness < 1322286175 116680 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can provide the "Hero Mesh PHP" to you too if you want, but notice it is slow and incomplete and it crashes a lot. < 1322286192 422417 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.adamdorman.com/_images/3d_wood_block.jpg < 1322286193 994531 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1322286208 230376 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the shape of that one is much different < 1322286221 448079 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a combination of five pieces required to make a basic shape that repeated throughout the puzzle < 1322286226 179889 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :two long ones like this [] < 1322286231 488296 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :two short ones clasping around the bottom of them < 1322286239 921812 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one going "through" and "up" hooking over the short ones; it all locks itself together < 1322286246 254116 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may not be very well-explained < 1322286264 514907 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i saw him balance like four pieces and fumble and drop them trying to put the fifth in some weird way, over and over < 1322286279 355345 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes he got it and tried to go further, then hit a dead end or something < 1322286287 784627 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he spent 80% of his time trying to balance these blocks to get them together < 1322286295 519144 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not once did he ever try to find a better way to assemble them < 1322286303 102629 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one that didn't require, say, balancing everything ridiculously) < 1322286330 881352 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not only being able to come up with new ideas, it's also knowing to try < 1322286339 935067 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, puzzles are a special case < 1322286350 422208 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pretty much assume the opposite of occam's razor in the case of puzzles/puzzle games < 1322286363 98408 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's easier to branch out quickly and rule out the simple stuff without much effort < 1322286397 27104 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, i've actually noticed it affect other areas of my life ;) < 1322286399 249913 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so here you mean, you can usually have faith in a puzzle < 1322286405 417700 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if i drop something on the floor, i don't spend a lot of time searching in the same spot < 1322286411 549898 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1322286420 707793 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, well, specifically with regards to puzzle games < 1322286425 869572 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i have faith that a solution exists < 1322286435 483225 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so i am comfortable trying increasingly ridiculous things < 1322286441 856387 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. when my mom loses something in her room i am like that < 1322286447 995928 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1322286449 213169 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1322286456 666620 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the reasons i like crystalex so much is because its levels are designed so that you HAVE to do ridiculous things to succeed < 1322286459 436334 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in many cases < 1322286462 287761 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this feels like a nintendo discussion < 1322286463 639029 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like pixel perfect timing sometimes < 1322286473 451356 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or long sequences without mistakes < 1322286491 342805 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with that game, i never ran out of ideas - i only had to get good enough to try them < 1322286503 940870 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it's not a game, i still don't give up easily < 1322286504 848809 :darkmoth!~michaelth@cpe-98-15-194-89.hvc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1322286524 788313 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spent 12 hours the other day learning how to use eclipse, write in java, and use a poorly documented library in order to accomplish a task < 1322286533 360355 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess i could have faith that there was an answer there, too < 1322286537 664537 :darkmoth!~michaelth@cpe-98-15-194-89.hvc.res.rr.com PART #esoteric :"Ex-Chat" < 1322286549 553111 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, this is like a non religious use of the power of faith < 1322286561 5785 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not blind faith < 1322286577 566615 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like "something is magical and i'll just trust that it exists" < 1322286586 265932 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "i know this should be possible, and i'm going to figure out how to do it" < 1322286603 159194 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally i do hit something where i have to put it down or give up, but not often; and i usually come back to it < 1322286617 99502 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then this gets interesting... how do we know a solution exists? < 1322286637 784602 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzle games aren't very fun without a solution :) < 1322286651 936927 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some programming knowledge you know what is possible with programming < 1322286667 7100 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some things - like ai - aren't developed yet, but will probably be possible in the future < 1322286670 728251 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. then theres the star trek thing... where kirk made a solution by cheating < 1322286671 66396 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with more common tasks < 1322286683 511904 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if YOU don't know how to do it, you can frequently know that it's doable < 1322286691 79215 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, i have one puzzle < 1322286696 135545 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a big practical joke :) < 1322286717 323766 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a long square thing with a hole in the length of it, open on one side < 1322286727 739861 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the bottom there are two holes drilled perpendicular through it < 1322286730 393994 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :des cartes apparently used to intentionally send out math problems which had lies in them < 1322286732 647256 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a rubber band is looped through < 1322286747 95227 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, well, discerning the lie is also possible :) < 1322286767 839947 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke - you have the other piece, which has a round knob on the end, a long skinny pole with a hook at the end < 1322286772 827864 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the supposed goal is to hook it on the rubber band < 1322286790 166766 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you demonstrate this to someone by putting it in the hole and making some random ass motions like a puzzle box type thing < 1322286797 790720 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you "pull" it out and it snaps back in < 1322286819 904824 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one took me about 5 minutes before i took the piece with the rod out and laid it along the outside to see that it wasn't long enough ;) < 1322286829 909364 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick: you squeeze your fingers together and it shoots out of them < 1322286852 529023 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess even lies can have solutions < 1322286895 395420 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1322286906 603652 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you squeeze your fingers together on what? < 1322286939 686448 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im guessing this is one of those things that would be easier to watch than read < 1322286944 683761 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the knob < 1322286945 680061 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like < 1322286948 678212 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am really enjoying this topic < 1322286953 978808 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :,------() < 1322286957 166186 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :attacking my aversion to puzzles < 1322286967 359092 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you hold the knob < 1322286974 27520 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fidget around with the hook end inside the enclosure < 1322286983 833141 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you pretend it's hooked by pulling it out and shooting it back < 1322286989 621672 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you "undo" it and give it to someone to try < 1322287000 623180 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of what i described about trying new things < 1322287004 66916 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a lot of puzzles in the Super ASCII MZX Town series of games. < 1322287010 315543 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quickly recognized that there was nothing to actually do with the rod in the hole < 1322287015 535219 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and solved the problem < 1322287025 943770 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but someone like my brother might sit there trying to hook it for an hour before giving up < 1322287056 320042 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way itidus21, i didn't want to gloss over what you said about learned helplessness; i'm familiar with the concept, do you feel like it applies? < 1322287059 152544 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. i was hoping that you were gonna say you were able to teach your brother the right way < 1322287079 715420 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know much about it.. but i just think it is part of the topic < 1322287089 285450 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1322287091 598606 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its really quite relevant infact < 1322287098 5681 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe so < 1322287104 10668 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a different kind of thing < 1322287111 942653 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :learned helplessness is being beaten down so much that you won't try anymore < 1322287126 565793 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not being able to solve a puzzle is just how you've learned to approach problems and maybe something to do with base intelligence < 1322287134 8135 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the effect is the same of not trying right? < 1322287143 64905 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta < 1322287149 546908 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one case, you don't try because you're fucked up and depressed < 1322287154 450223 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the other, you don't realize there's anything else to try < 1322287183 442983 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thanks. i dont really know the details of any of these things < 1322287188 180203 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did try to teach my little sister about puzzle solving as an experiment < 1322287203 835546 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but she doesn't have the ability to focus very long on something she's not terribly interested in ;) < 1322287211 448399 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she is quite smart, but it wasn't for her < 1322287221 971413 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if it's a "nature" or a "nurture" thing, but it may be a combination < 1322287238 270401 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know for a fact that many of my habits to approach problem solving were learned from my dad < 1322287245 724093 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his taking me to work with him and helping him etc. < 1322287251 3012 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for me, puzzle and situation are more or less synonyms < 1322287269 453542 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i think of the word puzzle as more specifically a kind of game < 1322287277 639817 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't have a solution, it's not a very good puzzle ;) < 1322287282 590752 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but puzzles inherently have solutions < 1322287290 393084 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solving a situation then being applied puzzle-solving < 1322287291 973077 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysteries, on the other hand...? < 1322287310 822728 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... then we run into the question of what it means to solve a situation < 1322287337 467092 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, if you want something hard to solve, try the last 7 levels of this game http://www.remar.se/daniel/castle.php < 1322287339 589798 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :situations have the potential for serendipity :-? < 1322287341 7831 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been stuck on them for a while < 1322287344 258047 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can do better < 1322287374 347770 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhmm.. < 1322287388 752296 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'd say < 1322287390 560821 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it would seem that rules play a role < 1322287395 445866 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know if a situation is a puzzle or a mystery < 1322287395 963077 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1322287404 309973 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only way to prove that it's a puzzle is to solve it :P < 1322287454 670590 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some cases you can cheat < 1322287475 797769 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an interesting idea here is are there any puzzles that can't be cheated < 1322287488 787802 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of puzzle games < 1322287506 185815 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no cheat < 1322287507 344611 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1322287535 608905 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i mean, there can be - but it doesn't really count < 1322287543 452168 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the puzzle designer's job to ensure there are no shortcuts :P < 1322287555 431057 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one level in crystalex like that < 1322287562 304547 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, in sokoban, analyzing the sourcecode woudn't save you.. < 1322287564 699557 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was one of the latest ones < 1322287581 517686 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, last ones* = hard ones < 1322287586 877068 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there was a simple shortcut to beat it < 1322287589 724969 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the author was like lol < 1322287604 520284 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i guess you could consider different classes of puzzles too :) < 1322287611 161846 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the program merely encodes the rules... it doesn't show how to use those rules < 1322287629 382420 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me it's just something solvable < 1322287638 775570 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse engineering an encrypted protocol is a puzzle < 1322287639 358808 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1322287655 34259 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm lookin at you YVD and your "secure double encryption") < 1322287656 6332 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. you could have a chessboard with sokoban tiles... < 1322287668 231689 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could copy a board from a computerized sokoban < 1322287686 88716 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you would have to say "how can i cheat?" < 1322287717 69062 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only person you cheat in a puzzle is yourself < 1322287720 169528 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps to take the solution and work backwards to the beginning one might try < 1322287731 712152 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :accomplishing a goal isn't the reward; deriving the solution is < 1322287748 235835 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really consider a puzzle fully solved until i can encompass it in my mind < 1322287756 765527 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i have to complete it many times before i can comprehend it < 1322287764 917312 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for the same reason i'm not much of a fan of things like the rubik's cube < 1322287768 572387 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too... dry for me < 1322287773 314583 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1322287774 397191 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too mathematical, not interesting < 1322287783 88172 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically i have an abiding interest in tetris < 1322287786 876152 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i consider the exception to the rule ;) < 1322287789 621710 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the comicbook series rurouni kenshin, kenshin is always thinking outside of the box < 1322287821 195496 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is what makes him the best < 1322287837 860570 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never read the manga < 1322287840 791291 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :watched about half the anime < 1322287847 477650 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only particularly liked the first ova :P < 1322287848 459757 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent seen it all either < 1322287858 710452 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst is something like death note < 1322287868 218568 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the author tries to write characters smarter than she(?) is < 1322287870 232147 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1322287875 97704 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it just comes out contrived and silly < 1322287880 236396 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHO THAT WAS MY PLAN ALL ALONG < 1322287885 750866 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an example would be.. that his sword is too long.. so he is losing a swordfight < 1322287897 372938 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what he does is he holds the sword by the blade itself < 1322287934 282816 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which fixes the length problem.. most surprisingly to his opponent < 1322287961 768443 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so thats problem solving < 1322287978 900470 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh.... < 1322287982 531905 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that anyway :) < 1322287990 585737 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm playing this 'castle of elite' now hehe < 1322288009 554662 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. i have started to think about the true power of such kinds of thinking < 1322288071 965741 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so, this topic suggests that the best way to solve what appears to be an unsolvable situation is faith that there is a solution < 1322288088 862825 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose so < 1322288099 405882 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like a tradeoff between time and reward < 1322288114 979058 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the death row example, no matter how much time you spend, the reward is greater < 1322288125 119904 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the situation is trying to harm us < 1322288125 298855 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes you don't have enough time, or you spend more than is worth it < 1322288126 323394 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1322288146 681233 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read stuff about D&D game I have played. Often we try to do, having things even the dungeons master think is unsolvable, and then it can be solved. That is the best game. < 1322288239 597290 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :After you put your socks on your cellular phone to absorb the radiation, what is the best way to clean out the radiation from the socks? [A] Put it in the microwave [B] Freeze it [C] Put it in the washing machine by itself [D] Wash them by hand < 1322288259 86918 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many inches in a foot? [A] 12 [B] 49 [C] Meat [D] Pink < 1322288286 355956 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many feet in a cup? [A] 3 [B] 12 [C] 56 [D] My foot doesn't fit in a cup. < 1322288297 383496 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1322288309 571652 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have this document called "ideas". last edited 3rd october. and one of the subheadings i put in is "Non-Obvious Solutions to Game Puzzles" < 1322288319 791343 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :under this is listed < 1322288338 841141 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooden horse gift full of soldiers. < 1322288347 8485 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using sword sheath as a weapon. < 1322288353 957411 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holding sword by the blade. < 1322288373 419536 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Escaping wagon through wooden floor. (this was on some tv show) < 1322288381 959735 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goku holding Raditz still and allowing Piccolo to kill both of them. < 1322288418 614834 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. this idea of treating real life situations kind of like puzzles really has my attention. < 1322288453 576957 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fits in with what zzo38 just said remarkably well < 1322288496 947656 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the best way of D&D game is deliberately unsolvable game that a working solution is found anyways. < 1322288519 519661 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "unsolvable" is an illusion? < 1322288548 285744 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dungeons master who invented it think it to be unsolvable but obviously they made a mistake < 1322288568 813042 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some inevitables like death and taxes < 1322289071 615074 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the kind of D&D game I like to play. I also like to play monster character, and some strange spells, etc. As well as difficult situation possibly not seem to be solvable. Probably different than most D&D game played. < 1322289128 6388 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this game departs from obvious satisfyingly quickly < 1322289139 16292 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish i hadn't been drinking beer all night beforehand now ;) < 1322289272 727361 :madbrrr!~madbrain@modemcable082.202-179-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1322289574 993231 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1322289668 214696 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe myndzi < 1322289773 663290 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so i pondered on it a bit.. how does one create a space in which this type of solution exists < 1322289786 546232 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we really need a name for it.. < 1322289809 488972 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a solution that occurs in a deliberately unsolvable game < 1322289840 887797 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the name for it. < 1322289841 376839 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's deliberately unsolvable < 1322289843 729186 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somebody solves it < 1322289847 90751 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a very good game :) < 1322289872 921738 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :super mario bros had world -1 < 1322289903 482335 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was pretty amazing that a game accidently had the capacity to take you to a level which wasn't supposed to be tere < 1322289927 546778 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :world -1 was just data corruption < 1322289928 107638 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1322289937 181992 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what happened there was.. instead of hard checking < 1322289965 441671 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just accepted whatever warp zone input it got < 1322290002 261850 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is a strange idea.. that making the rules of a game too formal and enforced.. and the players may well be trapped by them < 1322290034 27793 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally i like rules < 1322290044 145982 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the challenge is too open my brain explodes < 1322290044 611333 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1322290049 647833 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am faced with constant indecision < 1322290050 442414 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you need rules < 1322290053 112545 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me a boundary to test any time < 1322290079 31055 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : street fighter 2 also had some strange glitches < 1322290124 640845 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to play my Super ASCII MZX Town series of games. < 1322290135 876515 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has some puzzles. < 1322290169 380442 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so game playing and problem/puzzle solving and solving the unsolvable and non-obvious solutions all seem to verge into something for me < 1322290195 757904 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is PHP "PuzzleMesh" in case you are interested: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/prog/PuzzleMesh/PuzzleMesh-0-1-2.zip < 1322290263 474007 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :super mario bros really fucked with peoples heads. < 1322290312 298091 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i study it a lot < 1322290450 639395 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the blue dudes - do they do anything but bounce back and forth? < 1322290453 39644 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't read all the hints < 1322290459 932331 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one seems kind of pointless < 1322290496 818922 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they flip switches they go past < 1322290499 327090 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and die if you place a block over them < 1322290503 42345 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kill you < 1322290508 247639 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :think that's it < 1322290518 268217 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh ok < 1322290522 522952 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess he was just a pointless one then < 1322290525 331551 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 away from hard < 1322290531 297690 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can also go through teleporters < 1322290544 616004 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i was just like.. why bother putting this guy here? he's not a challenge < 1322290556 336437 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :red herring? < 1322290561 155071 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1322291034 441283 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most rewarding thing for me is when i can logic my way through a puzzle :) < 1322291041 458095 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 2-12 < 1322291313 530602 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi\: another one is goku.. he seems to always find a solution to win a fight < 1322291327 50811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he always warns the guy ahead of time.. i will beat you < 1322291333 295460 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :give up now < 1322291336 939348 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but that's 'cause he's a Chosen One :P < 1322291378 380534 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322291720 537212 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the end of the chapter I entered this text: (Can Kjugobe get out of prison (eventually)? What does Also do? Is Also a good name or is it confusing everyone? You don't know? Then you must learn. Read this book next time to learn what happens next$\ldots$) < 1322291724 139527 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it good? < 1322292317 511982 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got stuck on one of the shareware levels in hero:mesh. the one with three worms and all the crates < 1322292439 329517 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can your computer run 16-bit Windows programs? If so, I can give you the old shareware version < 1322292447 482803 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be able to it's widnows XP < 1322292449 234112 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :*windows < 1322292463 950961 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have more levels for that game that would be cool < 1322292509 842210 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I do have more levels I made up. However the shareware program will not load sets with more than three levels, so I will split it into sets with only three levels each if you want to play the more levels I have. < 1322292535 876750 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if it's not a bother to you < 1322292605 351705 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not right now; maybe another day, though. < 1322292994 62650 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more levels I have even have new kind of pieces, some of which I added in by myself. < 1322293014 483171 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This shareware is Falling Hero but it can be used to create and run normal Hero Heart game as well. < 1322293026 444546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322293303 229326 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1322293305 583867 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly, dejavu < 1322293316 912545 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to remember this level < 1322293354 123102 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said that before < 1322293360 936688 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1322293364 423893 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently
< 1322293366 644885 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1322293441 864182 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this level is a troll level < 1322293453 230372 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to make the thing go up to the top but you don't have to :( < 1322293457 798688 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this solution is much less fun < 1322293565 183303 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1322293566 633147 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this level too < 1322293571 668374 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going crazy! :P < 1322293642 363388 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log alice.*mad.*come here < 1322293669 470553 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1322293673 211330 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-02-17.txt:00:58:29: "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." < 1322293673 880113 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1322293816 145177 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Would you like some tea? < 1322293818 367155 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like some tea? < 1322293899 548850 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo @tell HackEgo I am confused. < 1322293901 478144 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@tell HackEgo I am confused. < 1322293978 283625 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo will have put a zero width space before that @, so lambdabot ignores it. < 1322293993 704234 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i forget which bot s which < 1322294005 676651 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats cool i was starting to feel guilty < 1322294036 498359 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am forgetting that i am going among some clevers < 1322294343 874870 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you going myndzi? < 1322294403 463739 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-8 < 1322294406 174651 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and very drunk < 1322294408 395529 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1322294419 488233 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear to god i've played this before < 1322294422 46164 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember this level < 1322294422 733827 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1322294422 912808 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1322294457 461012 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1322294462 737798 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I need some quick LUA help < 1322294468 648312 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I iterate over the return values of http://www.wowpedia.org/API_strmatch ? < 1322294496 230267 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just followed a long chain from U.N.C.L.E. to Jangal movement of Gilan
< 1322294750 84211 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :passing through such articles as Millennium, Comet, Weather, Hearth, Nature, Aesthetics, Demand (economics), Greenhouse gas, House, Democratic Party (United States), Washington D.C, City, Arabic language, United Nations, Refugee, List of ethnic slurs. < 1322294758 73675 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reversed) < 1322295192 27763 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeah finally < 1322295195 970581 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that took way too many tries < 1322295198 847581 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain feels like mud < 1322295436 10891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, oerjan, how did the mathematician make sure he got the optimal amount of water from the ground? < 1322295740 311488 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something something spherical cow < 1322295804 64482 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log euclidean < 1322295832 196141 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-05-23.txt:22:03:07: Just make the geometry non-Euclidean. < 1322295846 814959 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, assume ground always sinks in water... < 1322295855 679016 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, he used the well ordering theorem, actually. < 1322295864 320273 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha < 1322295929 327171 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :harl har < 1322295935 865316 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i passed seven crosses with only six < 1322295936 311237 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1322296184 139086 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION throws an unstoppable object at Phantom_Hoover
< 1322296201 188576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks
< 1322296208 555862 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses, foiled again < 1322296414 767448 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322296429 55785 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i'm link < 1322296455 470891 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1322296465 732974 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the idea of unstoppable object basically is a bad rule < 1322296469 222522 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some cases < 1322296482 362145 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because... it will be literally unstoppable if the rule has it so < 1322296489 221499 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.. < 1322296499 82288 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is that some such rules are good yes < 1322296505 324849 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not all rules should be so concrete < 1322296518 69721 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the rule itself is ok < 1322296548 884176 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :belgian ales man < 1322296551 141065 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :belgian ales < 1322296604 580915 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hand-eye coordination is about to give out < 1322296604 931709 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1322296613 238654 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok which levels were you having trouble with? < 1322296614 503613 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on elite < 1322296892 217624 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1322296921 200223 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION throws an immovable object at KERNEL PANIC. CORE DUMPED.
< 1322296928 717627 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1322296946 279425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi\, who are you talking to? < 1322296955 977306 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :patashu < 1322297182 764629 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1322297186 109271 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1322297196 145015 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :9,10,11,12 + the finalest level < 1322297199 384199 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the only ones I haven't solved < 1322297204 202973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What're you trying to play? < 1322297219 200987 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, only on 4-2 so far < 1322297224 455658 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Castle of Elite < 1322297689 739487 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember this level too < 1322297697 229948 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must have played this < 1322297702 177093 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember when or anything about it though < 1322297798 229997 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible you could have, it's fairly old < 1322297816 171104 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i did i ran into it the same way, you < 1322297816 715088 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1322297883 429658 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i did i must have beaten it < 1322297885 931331 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd remember if i didn't < 1322297886 668113 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1322297911 583933 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you beat the whole game really quickly can I assume it's because of supressed memories? < 1322297917 314359 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1322297923 446456 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, i don't remember any solutions < 1322297933 387680 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've just hit like 5 levels that seem familiar < 1322297974 190359 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4-2 is annoying < 1322297985 621699 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a great example of the kind of level i don't mind < 1322298006 79185 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one instance or a handful, i mean < 1322298012 513439 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to an entire game of it < 1322298273 926225 :kallisti!~eris@h91.51.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322298274 342715 :kallisti!~eris@h91.51.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1322298274 521747 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1322298327 804980 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1322298351 648307 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hello < 1322298358 50571 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: hi < 1322298370 249699 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help im in python hell < 1322298387 832210 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made incredibly stupid pattern matching to ease the pain but it still hurts < 1322298418 951684 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: give me something more specific and maybe I can help? :P < 1322298429 4133 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing specific < 1322298430 66112 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hell < 1322298431 555214 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there no escape? < 1322298441 556657 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, are you sure it's not Python purgatory? < 1322298445 488206 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1322298458 245029 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: use more metaclasses < 1322298459 951480 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved. < 1322298460 279775 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :punishment for me thinking taking this class would be a good idea < 1322298592 170454 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with what do metaclasses help? everything? < 1322298639 636278 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes always < 1322298652 974199 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there is only metaclass to do it with" -- Python slogan < 1322298656 935920 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*only one < 1322298697 686265 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used metaclasses or decorators or anything like that..usually I avoid python, but this time I had no choice < 1322298706 65581 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where by used I mean < 1322298708 322950 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :made them myself < 1322298716 275429 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :decorators are good < 1322298730 708047 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of cumbersome to actually write, when they take parameters and stuff < 1322298735 543216 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but useful once you have them < 1322298780 207167 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the fact that they're syntactic sugar is simply a weakness of Python syntax. < 1322298783 460477 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice solution though annoying to implement < 1322298822 157865 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the decorator syntax would be completely unecessary if Python had good lambda syntax < 1322298938 637378 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e21b.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322299007 260033 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambdas are evil < 1322299011 594335 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame on you kallisti < 1322299018 874312 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you're joking.. :P < 1322299029 257957 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You hope guido is joking < 1322299038 361277 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes, I do. < 1322299040 920231 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hope isn't cheap these days < 1322299048 185746 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope Python is revealed to be a joke language one day. < 1322299051 157903 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it frustrated me when i tried reading the functional python guide and it told me that lambdas are unreadable and should be avoided < 1322299063 658753 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: everything is unreadable. < 1322299077 291146 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :assignment expressions? unreadable < 1322299077 698802 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did that guy write documentation on functional python if he can't aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh < 1322299093 837936 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :c obfuscation contest? unreadable < 1322299094 16765 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is basically not functional, though it claims to be. < 1322299109 927753 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that functions are first-class really is not enough. < 1322299121 784346 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :python claims to be functional? < 1322299131 235001 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1322299141 631216 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :paradigms: object-oriented, imparative, functional < 1322299148 8349 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*imperative < 1322299152 229910 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha really? < 1322299154 124982 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1322299156 65947 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with what do metaclasses help? everything? < 1322299158 38542 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who PUT that there < 1322299167 465098 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :guido I'd guess? dunno < 1322299172 366679 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pffffffffffffff < 1322299179 920360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are metaclasses that thing cpressey linked to that I tried to make the Sierpinski numbers in response to? < 1322299201 221780 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :van Rossum: setting dutch computer science back 80 years. < 1322299230 651058 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: bahaha, "I’ll start by looking at a Python language feature that’s an important foundation for writing functional-style programs: iterators." < 1322299238 195531 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://docs.python.org/howto/functional.html < 1322299256 121573 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, no, that was those abstract base thingies. < 1322299263 202035 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: yeah that's the one < 1322299282 714826 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'll start by looking at a Python language feature that's an important foundation for writing functional-style programs: object-orientation" -- this guide, in essence < 1322299308 430237 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: metaclasses are to classes as classes are to objects < 1322299323 801730 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use them to alter behavior during class creation. < 1322299333 191006 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're usually not needed. < 1322299334 464708 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But it would be best of all if I had simply used a for loop: < 1322299334 655181 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :total = 0 < 1322299336 303387 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a, b in items: total += b" < 1322299339 939494 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes me so mad < 1322299341 605258 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Django uses them for example for its DB model classes. < 1322299347 841362 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for loops can go to hell < 1322299356 186719 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: for loops: the essence of functional programming < 1322299404 962074 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A theoretical benefit is that it’s easier to construct a mathematical proof that a functional program is correct." < 1322299416 770347 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this statement should be in a functional programming tutorial for Python. < 1322299420 394774 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*should NOT < 1322299583 763976 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what otherr howtwos there are < 1322299597 752266 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on the fourth level of mesh, falling hero and already hard < 1322299601 67024 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue what I'm expected to do < 1322299601 496932 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a howto on python advocacy < 1322299604 776643 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to advocate python < 1322299620 250322 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idioms and anti-idioms, this should also be good < 1322299621 332746 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, Python for loops are really foreach < 1322299631 75686 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: they can still go to hell < 1322299647 215531 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell has a foreach, it calls it forM_ < 1322299651 163307 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t forM_ < 1322299652 105678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *) b. (Monad m) => [a] -> (a -> m b) -> m () < 1322299660 32027 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has lots of things < 1322299696 384224 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Haskell has decorators. they're called functions. < 1322299699 695431 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore..... (????) < 1322299830 194969 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :on an unrelated note, I'm reading an article on how automatic transmissions work. < 1322299833 488988 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's blowing my mind. < 1322299837 69720 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so complicated. < 1322299972 720847 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It rests on planetary gears, right? < 1322300026 259805 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1322300287 761325 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1322300353 92123 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmk too drunk to continue :P < 1322300366 989139 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :completed: all the lower levels and 1-5 of elite < 1322300382 14168 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha appreciate it < 1322300385 836075 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i remember i'll come back to it tomorrow and see if i can't crack the ones you have left < 1322300386 344313 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1322300400 488116 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll leave the game up to remind me! < 1322300826 22278 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/automatic-transmission-brain.jpg < 1322300842 770243 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of those passageways rooute the hydraulic fluid that determines when the car shifts gears. < 1322300952 640844 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for example if you're accelerate rapidly it will shift at highe RPMS, but if you're accelerating softly it will shift at lower RPMs, and if you go full throttle the car will downshift (to increase the gear ratio so that the car accelerates faster, presumably what you wanted to do) < 1322301043 692182 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some strange reason, we still aren't letting cars just drive themselves < 1322301049 340658 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly peoples < 1322301069 270096 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A09D.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322301170 565209 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatic transmissions < 1322301175 799220 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are so much simpler than this. < 1322301176 906427 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1322301181 991262 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/automatic/manual/ < 1322301373 224423 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's a little valve on the drive shaft that opens wider via centrifugal force as the drive shaft spins; this is what controls the fluid pressure in the hydraulic system. more pressure = faster speed. < 1322301445 740286 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPDATE < 1322301500 407738 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like... < 1322301505 143825 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hydraulic logic circuits. < 1322301507 576215 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO COOL. < 1322301785 546742 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322301828 225714 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, awesome < 1322301834 252945 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :mesh: falling hero has water pressure XD < 1322303025 931062 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A09D.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1322303875 116731 :derrik!~xix@194.150.65.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322305068 882060 :bigmuzzy!~user@ip77-46-135-49.adsl.beocity.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322305194 294641 :bigmuzzy!~user@ip77-46-135-49.adsl.beocity.net PART :#esoteric < 1322305684 363575 :derrik!~xix@194.150.65.64 QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1322305779 313745 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1322306943 236152 :hhj!~Lairc@c-24-130-180-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322306966 716823 :hhj!~Lairc@c-24-130-180-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1322306974 316290 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1322307013 26563 :hhj!~Lairc@c-24-130-180-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hi < 1322307018 762093 :hhj!~Lairc@c-24-130-180-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1322307040 695713 :hhj!~Lairc@c-24-130-180-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oy < 1322307051 469966 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1322307463 840805 :hhj!~Lairc@c-24-130-180-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1322308778 669246 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's hhj? < 1322312563 234804 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoover Heavy Juggalo. < 1322312567 826903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We use him for PR. < 1322313202 120 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the only person I have ever heard of who convinced himself that his best friend was imaginary < 1322313264 926021 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You like the number i? < 1322313268 4214 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry) < 1322313288 592464 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, i is as real (in the non-mathematical sense) as any other number < 1322313307 961719 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I did once convince myself that my best friend was imaginary < 1322313314 787206 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was scarily easy < 1322313320 355568 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure he isn't < 1322313354 551145 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you told him to get real? < 1322313451 506331 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missed opportunity right there < 1322313472 950207 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can Haiku use Java? < 1322313539 49637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried adding him to his complex complement? < 1322313940 874927 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1322313943 479909 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could work < 1322313946 784317 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I unaway? < 1322314016 849621 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go < 1322314133 15105 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: i wondered if my friends are real in elementary school < 1322314160 670415 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But did you convince yourself with a rational argument? < 1322314212 852880 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i made sure i have as complete as possible a graph between all the people i know with respect to knowing each other < 1322314240 753432 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine would be... < 1322314242 29548 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: like what? i certainly convinced myself that there's no way to know < 1322314263 998147 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reasoned that he had come into my life when I was feeling lonely < 1322314288 126779 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is really cool and stuff and isn't the kind of person who would be friends with me < 1322314338 245708 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it was quite likely that he was a fabrication of my mind < 1322314357 152064 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you do any sort of checks? < 1322314387 157106 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next day, I asked him if he was real < 1322314390 971012 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said "yes" < 1322314396 723051 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I asked his girlfriend < 1322314400 423260 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She said "yes" < 1322314404 443651 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of trivial to at least make sure that it's not the case that that friend is imaginary in all instances, and your other friends never are. < 1322314421 295401 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :his girlfriend, who's a third party you only know through him? < 1322314431 192968 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1322314459 637150 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, other people know him, who I met before him < 1322314468 934095 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why the hell would you ask them that, are you crazy enough that that's considered normal for you? :P < 1322314477 807053 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much < 1322314490 871954 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once almost convinced myself that /I'm/ imaginary < 1322314498 611440 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suck on that, Descartes! < 1322314512 605039 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not at all sure i exist either < 1322314514 441443 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322314539 282930 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, do you know whether oklopol or I exist? < 1322314554 969355 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322314600 478893 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know whether this laptop i'm typing on exists... < 1322314621 320536 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I will go and see the new Tintin film < 1322314660 811398 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: but anyhow i never asked anyone if they exist, since i went with the all or nothing assumption in imaginary friends, instead i actually went through literally everyone i know and tried to made sure they have a connection to my parents < 1322314737 466562 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was like 8 so i didn't know it would have to be someone important to me < 1322314762 965663 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was 14 or 15 when this happened < 1322314794 112371 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it was just before my 16th birthday < 1322314795 353413 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 15, i don't think i would've given a shit if my friends were imaginary < 1322314816 872653 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will go watch movie now < 1322314823 260438 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1322314827 414450 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would now, probably < 1322314827 594923 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Farewell, people of similar interests! < 1322314828 912223 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1322314855 119589 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :being afraid you might just be insane is not really an interest < 1322314862 557494 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not, right? < 1322314894 681304 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :As we might just be insane, it could be. < 1322314920 229349 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :u see. < 1322314950 212328 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet oklopol is imaginary. < 1322315000 391259 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1322315148 666382 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log alice.*mad.*come here < 1322315154 178223 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-07-16.txt:21:17:53: "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." < 1322315208 242762 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python print "test" < 1322315211 626722 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1322315243 419950 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python print re('''"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."''') < 1322315244 243396 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): < 1322315250 620878 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1322315260 355551 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python print rep('''"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."''') < 1322315261 109850 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): < 1322315276 209944 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit what is the name of that function < 1322315304 89315 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python print "test"*999999999 < 1322315304 861699 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): < 1322315317 368813 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1322315336 805792 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python print '%r'%'''"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."''' < 1322315337 624936 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​'"But I don\'t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can\'t help that," said the Cat: "we\'re all mad here. I\'m mad. You\'re mad." "How do you know I\'m mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn\'t have come here."' < 1322315384 337539 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python test < 1322315387 338762 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :python: can't open file 'test': [Errno 2] No such file or directory < 1322315399 893319 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python -e print "test" < 1322315402 113500 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: -e \ usage: python [option] ... [-c cmd | -m mod | file | -] [arg] ... \ Try `python -h' for more information. < 1322315421 662714 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1322315430 396644 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '\'' < 1322315432 115451 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1322315438 888755 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddammit < 1322315460 887932 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1322315506 561186 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python print repr("Only the fool would take trouble to verify that his sentence was composed of ten a's, three b's, four c's, four d's, forty-six e's, sixteen f's, four g's, thirteen h's, fifteen i's, two k's, nine l's, four m's, twenty-five n's, twenty-four o's, five p's, sixteen r's, forty-one s's, thirty-seven t's, ten u's, eight v's, eight w's, four x's, eleven y's, twenty-seven commas, twenty-three apostrophes, seven hyphens and, last but not least < 1322315507 470245 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :File "", line 1 < 1322315584 175922 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '"But I don'"'"'t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can'"'"'t help that," said the Cat: "we'"'"'re all mad here. I'"'"'m mad. You'"'"'re mad." "How do you know I'"'"'m mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn'"'"'t have come here." >wisdom/mad < 1322315586 409874 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1322315594 476112 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '"But I don'"'"'t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can'"'"'t help that," said the Cat: "we'"'"'re all mad here. I'"'"'m mad. You'"'"'re mad." "How do you know I'"'"'m mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn'"'"'t have come here."' >wisdom/mad < 1322315596 486108 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1322315601 201278 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad < 1322315603 854686 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." < 1322315690 108478 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm... < 1322315718 215120 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." < 1322315720 265286 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1322315729 27633 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? "But < 1322315731 203578 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." < 1322315763 750413 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/'"But' wisdom/mad < 1322315765 660515 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: cannot stat `wisdom/"But': No such file or directory < 1322315775 851044 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1322315784 250638 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom < 1322315786 301223 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"but \ ? \ ais523 \ augur \ banach-tarski \ c \ cakeprophet \ category \ elliott \ everyone \ finland \ finns \ fizzie \ flower \ friendship \ functor \ fungot \ gregor \ hackego \ haskell \ ievan \ intercal \ itidus20 \ kallisti \ mad \ monad \ monads \ monoid \ monqy \ nooga \ oerjan \ oklopol \ phantom__hoover \ phantom_hoover \ php \ qdb \ qdbformat \ quine \ sgeo \ shachaf \ u \ vorpal \ welcome \ wiki \ you < 1322315793 718332 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1322315801 292793 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/'"but' wisdom/mad < 1322315803 144919 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1322315808 47800 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad < 1322315810 571265 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." < 1322315838 609870 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"She's mad!" ~ Meg Giry < 1322318349 322285 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322318662 697853 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared17Bot < 1322318674 774755 :PiRSquared17Bot!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Changing host < 1322318674 953565 :PiRSquared17Bot!~PiRSquare@unaffiliated/pirsquared17/bot/pirsquared17bot JOIN :#esoteric < 1322318892 860213 :PiRSquared17Bot!~PiRSquare@unaffiliated/pirsquared17/bot/pirsquared17bot NICK :PiRSquared < 1322318902 955247 :PiRSquared!~PiRSquare@unaffiliated/pirsquared17/bot/pirsquared17bot QUIT :Changing host < 1322318903 134333 :PiRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322318925 643508 :PiRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PART :#esoteric < 1322319263 167010 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1322320009 680616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, Introversion god rid of their motto. < 1322320665 79087 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? < 1322321305 17119 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*got < 1322321319 550881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be "The last of the bedroom programmers." < 1322322292 370394 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1322322382 976877 :kallisti!~eris@h252.29.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322322383 304513 :kallisti!~eris@h252.29.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1322322383 483647 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1322323352 980409 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1322323404 39551 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PART :#esoteric < 1322323413 868265 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1322324214 931023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322324240 61073 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1322324390 336248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1322324405 20576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-MemoServ- You have 8 new memos. < 1322324405 360489 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 6 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1322324423 212888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is elliott being spammed with messages? < 1322324431 966274 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently
< 1322324446 265817 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a few of them may be mine < 1322324450 603959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :memoserv sends receipts :P < 1322324469 739722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-MemoServ- They must be read one by one. ;P < 1322324472 214139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: /ms read new < 1322324476 730462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat until done < 1322324484 170910 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah yeah < 1322324672 48885 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322324735 176272 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1322324865 77756 :plycke!~pling@0x5550d91b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1322324865 295407 :plycke!~pling@0x5550d91b.adsl.cybercity.dk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1322324908 970493 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1322325413 266173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1322325423 494165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- oerjan has left this server (Quit: Good night). < 1322325433 468488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was at 4:25 UTC < 1322325438 541704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not night-time in Norway < 1322325441 615502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mystery? < 1322325446 45991 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He could be far up North? < 1322325474 110374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh come on, you know oerjan's sleep schedule by now < 1322325484 286828 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's at least two people who aren't paying enough attention to the channel < 1322325498 322142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you both know who you are and I'm disappointed in you < 1322325524 584487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` < 1322325526 604506 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1322325913 363121 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: sauna < 1322326645 532185 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think you may need a new response < 1322326658 394053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1322326665 742742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was half-wondering if HackEgo would do that < 1322327114 736712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god is Sgeo reading Dr McNinja. < 1322328355 704515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog < 1322328893 864204 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1322328912 292148 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't make any CoaPs in the 300's or 500's < 1322328973 900445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's terrible. < 1322329517 108209 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322330166 435751 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I follow 24 webcomics < 1322330189 293776 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 < 1322330211 580894 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In ALPHABETICAL ORDER!!! < 1322330257 48094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are fewer comics depending on the order you count them in? < 1322330274 49532 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1322330274 257715 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just stopped reading Three Panel Soul < 1322330287 562755 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And announced that I was going to say them all in alphabetical order < 1322330293 548692 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1322330297 897849 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote myndzi\: ok so one of the nastiest puzzles i suppose is... you're on death row.. you don't want to die. < 1322330300 260235 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :739) myndzi\: ok so one of the nastiest puzzles i suppose is... you're on death row.. you don't want to die. < 1322330350 72395 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: We're all waiting. :'( < 1322330381 301848 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma+ elliott < 1322330386 107786 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott now has 1 karma. < 1322330396 861453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't I have a billion karma. < 1322330406 563147 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awkward Fumbles, Brawl in the Family, Cheer, City of Reality, Comments on a Postcard, Darths & Droids, El Goonish Shive, Freefall, Girl Genius, Goost 26, Gunnerkrigg Court, Homestuck, Irregular Webcomic, Lightning Made of Owls, Misfile, New World Comics, Sparkling Generation Valkyrie Yuuki, Square Root of Minus Garfield, Super Effective, Tranquility Base, xkcd, and The Wotch < 1322330415 434188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t comes after x < 1322330418 776449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as everyone knows < 1322330425 968104 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat karma/elliott < 1322330426 149902 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "the" isn't counted < 1322330428 44502 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: karma/elliott: Not a directory < 1322330430 265533 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322330436 640356 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls karma < 1322330439 108234 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma < 1322330447 763085 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls karma/karma < 1322330449 736454 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access karma/karma: Not a directory < 1322330460 160847 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat karma/karma < 1322330462 261357 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: karma/karma: Not a directory < 1322330470 534405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION facepalm
< 1322330471 415882 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1322330476 352526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -lh karma < 1322330478 444673 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 25 Nov 26 18:01 karma < 1322330479 101411 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`more karma/karma < 1322330481 417647 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma/karma: Not a directory < 1322330486 234786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S NOT A DIRECTORY < 1322330486 926864 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`more karma < 1322330489 165376 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott now has 1 karma. < 1322330491 108461 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dog karma < 1322330493 139964 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S TOLD YOU IT'S NOT A DIRECTORY ABOUT FIVE THOUSAND TIMES < 1322330493 319441 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: dog: not found < 1322330516 367091 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls karma < 1322330518 364498 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma < 1322330525 831742 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1322330526 13718 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat karma/karma < 1322330527 886932 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: karma/karma: Not a directory < 1322330529 666880 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no stop < 1322330530 727800 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop < 1322330531 227746 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1322330532 725090 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1322330532 906713 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1322330541 176329 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a directory ;_; ;_; ;_; < 1322330557 569487 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file karma < 1322330559 442817 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma: ASCII text < 1322330570 601392 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat karma < 1322330572 604061 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott now has 1 karma. < 1322330584 233234 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whereis karma < 1322330587 744040 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma: < 1322330590 731334 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which karma < 1322330592 834652 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/karma < 1322330597 35341 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`who karma < 1322330598 705775 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat ​/hackenv/bin/karma < 1322330599 111199 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1322330600 568974 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: ​/hackenv/bin/karma: No such file or directory < 1322330605 852497 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1322330611 308468 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd < 1322330613 772659 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1322330615 49801 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin/karma < 1322330617 205740 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/karma < 1322330622 115885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/bin/karma < 1322330624 54094 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo "$1 has $(lib/karma "$1") karma." < 1322330639 549570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno why it didn't work that time < 1322330643 9883 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls lib/karma < 1322330645 149425 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lib/karma < 1322330674 897452 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma Ngevd < 1322330679 643181 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd has 0 karma. < 1322330682 586293 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma Taneb < 1322330686 953319 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb has 0 karma. < 1322330690 675199 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww < 1322330694 988100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma+ Ngevd < 1322330699 600593 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd now has 1 karma. < 1322330699 780356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma- Taneb < 1322330704 272176 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb now has -1 karma. < 1322330710 446893 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pointless \x -> f x x < 1322330710 784945 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :join f < 1322330719 895327 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pointless \x -> x ^2 < 1322330720 231668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^ 2) < 1322330723 827665 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obv < 1322330741 461057 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pointless \a b -> b < 1322330741 790225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :const id < 1322330752 907813 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pointless \a b -> b a < 1322330753 259372 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip id < 1322330787 460124 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma Taneb|Hovercraft < 1322330791 502531 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb|Hovercraft has 0 karma. < 1322330792 454186 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma Taneb|Kindle < 1322330797 446586 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb|Kindle has 0 karma. < 1322330808 870031 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma ettioll < 1322330813 488407 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ettioll has 0 karma. < 1322330827 10100 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma noqmy < 1322330831 706506 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :noqmy has 0 karma. < 1322330838 246798 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody karmas any of me < 1322330844 910687 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for elliott, but he balances out < 1322330856 286845 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1322330858 978325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma+ Ngevd < 1322330863 354187 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd now has 2 karma. < 1322330870 962784 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma+ elliott < 1322330875 406342 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott now has 2 karma. < 1322330886 182353 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karmae. < 1322330905 675540 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be Greek < 1322330938 835736 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma+ noqmy < 1322330943 540469 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :noqmy now has 1 karma. < 1322330950 161951 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :karmai < 1322330956 806709 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma+ fungot < 1322330957 275945 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: ' heheh, i gets heads like that myself when i first arrived here. but if she'd had to take it away < 1322330960 839529 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot now has 1 karma. < 1322330973 299879 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because fungot is awesome < 1322330973 559367 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: brutha stepped back. no‑one bothered her when she goes home.' he < 1322330980 861722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karmae. < 1322330982 443462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1322330984 369246 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma+ fungot < 1322330984 700892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma+ fungot < 1322330984 882599 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ' good idea, like another drink. then she looked at the man's mind?" said rincewind. < 1322330984 882684 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma+ fungot < 1322330985 62012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma+ fungot < 1322330985 249258 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: " that's right. i'm working, people are saying it might have happened.' vimes sighed. all around them, she thought, that was just the lady's maid to queen molly." < 1322330985 436387 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: " hmm?" captain vimes, who shrugged. < 1322330985 759413 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ' er... well, to have sky on the horizon like a lightly-poached egg.' he pinched the bridge of his nose again. < 1322330990 851708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma+ fungot < 1322331002 67340 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma+ fungot < 1322331002 347420 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the elf looked down at his face with the effort of calculation. < 1322331004 737400 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma- boxbot # nobody likes boxbot < 1322331014 380156 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a boxbot < 1322331016 581074 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot now has 2 karma. < 1322331023 221768 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot now has 2 karma. < 1322331026 35249 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot now has 2 karma. < 1322331026 577695 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxbot # nobody likes boxbot now has -1 karma. < 1322331029 977259 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot now has 2 karma. < 1322331030 166023 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot now has 2 karma. < 1322331030 351121 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot now has 2 karma. < 1322331032 874128 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1322331034 335877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma fungot < 1322331034 539355 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: " ok," said leonard. < 1322331039 181684 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :commands are isolated < 1322331043 999692 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot has 3 karma. < 1322331051 402192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :commands are isolated < 1322331053 137211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1322331055 325765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma fungot < 1322331055 962871 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: angua glanced through the grubby window. the fog was hull that had been in the baby's mind, l can tell by the way the sphinx was moving its lips silently, as though it moved of its own. < 1322331059 705827 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot has 3 karma. < 1322331063 607176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh :P < 1322331071 425916 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, Gunnerkrigg court < 1322331187 879787 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gunnerkrigg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=410&page=1 < 1322331238 54827 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> x^2 - x*2 - x+2) [0..] < 1322331238 880532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence `-' < 1322331239 156053 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either `L.-', defined at map (\x -> (x^2) - (x*2) - (x+2)) [0..] < 1322331254 898648 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence `-' < 1322331255 228448 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either `L.-', defined at map (\x -> ((x^2) - (x*2)) - (x+2)) [0..] < 1322331267 927346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence `-' < 1322331268 250761 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either `L.-', defined at BOXBOT IS TERRIBLE NOBODY LIKES BOXBOT He's just a box with arms i love boxbot already < 1322331464 802783 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :740) BOXBOT IS TERRIBLE NOBODY LIKES BOXBOT He's just a box with arms i love boxbot already < 1322331499 912853 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im conclude: both robox and boxbot are good < 1322331506 600935 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIES < 1322331512 364782 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOXBOT IS TERRIBLE < 1322331520 278180 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies < 1322331523 949095 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxbot is friend < 1322331528 92615 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendbot < 1322331533 112642 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxfriend < 1322331554 307707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im friend too < 1322331557 146586 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of box < 1322331557 677457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot < 1322331624 957440 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gunnerkrigg.wikia.com/wiki/Boxbot < 1322331643 595172 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAY ANGLES GUIDE YOU THROUGH THE HARD TIMES < 1322331714 106711 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol < 1322331721 260419 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1322331757 577212 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1322331760 669845 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1322331762 376338 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kokok < 1322331764 64331 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kjgj < 1322331765 565596 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okko < 1322331767 237483 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ollon < 1322331786 327288 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1322331799 900650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :avant okoing < 1322331868 953544 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i could have a beer if i reached really far under my desk < 1322331894 470118 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I could have a beer if I went to oklopol's desk and stole it from him < 1322331901 743485 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, where's your desk? < 1322331940 750068 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :under my roof. < 1322331953 456676 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i rent so it's mine for now < 1322331968 667161 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1322331977 116498 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also rent the ceiling < 1322331978 345272 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been meaning to go to oklopol-house < 1322332007 653767 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really let people in before i clean this place up < 1322332009 581237 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so never < 1322332022 756184 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well under special circumstances < 1322332049 357128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry Ngevd oklopol prioritises me over you < 1322332053 561678 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a funny joke) < 1322332092 758556 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't really know much about Ngevd < 1322332114 998919 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm like elliott but simultaneously less and more weird < 1322332115 185929 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless he's also used other nicks. my irc memory is getting kind of worse. < 1322332120 882249 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: taneb < 1322332121 106656 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Taneb < 1322332128 979942 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew that < 1322332132 839205 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1322332133 22139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no then < 1322332136 941520 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're quoted on my User page < 1322332171 494409 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right so okay i know a lot about Ngevd then, and i should definitely consider sleeping more < 1322332179 979817 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm becoming even stupider < 1322332197 580328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite impossible :D :D :D D:D D D: < 1322332197 899595 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log all me < 1322332210 644025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all me < 1322332223 228573 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log numbers\ of\ 0 < 1322332223 877219 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-11-01.txt:13:05:52: ehird, and those spaces are all messed up < 1322332228 174616 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1322332231 165476 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log all me < 1322332236 371228 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-11-27.txt:18:54:44: elliott, also why did you call me crazy? < 1322332244 969285 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log are all me < 1322332245 599063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all me < 1322332247 119832 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :our game can only handle 17000 elevators before it starts getting slow :( < 1322332249 893067 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-02-14.txt:23:46:34: Our minorities statistics are all messed up. Er, Christians are in a minority, right? < 1322332256 681342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: whats evelator < 1322332285 313903 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nono you have to read it from left to right, otherwise it might change its meaning < 1322332287 581899 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :try again < 1322332316 858237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: whats < 1322332318 186337 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: elevator < 1322332330 473474 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a thing that goes back and forth < 1322332424 468689 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the smell of burning body hair < 1322333171 426977 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: you like beer? < 1322333178 132231 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did i not know this < 1322333186 234364 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like beer, but not all too much < 1322333195 660615 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I will have one shortly < 1322333243 429000 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears to be Heineken < 1322333247 471499 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1322333404 506924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: How can you like beer, you're like 5 years old. < 1322333415 105061 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm older than you shut up < 1322333429 602354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes the fact that I am 4 is not relevant Ngevd. < 1322333449 481195 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's legal to drink at 5 in Britain < 1322333453 888748 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some circumstances < 1322333458 959470 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drink alcohol, that is < 1322333469 724917 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PART :#esoteric < 1322333489 905786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but you're still 5. < 1322333578 635308 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dutch beer and Italian food < 1322333586 962297 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell I'm British < 1322333643 614253 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On that note, < 1322333645 658899 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: dinner < 1322333659 229601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngevd is weird < 1322334628 464073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/mm68o/ghc_74_branched_whats_in_for_christmas/c3291tr < 1322334628 844525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1322335825 571877 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1322336086 391964 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322336154 959208 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1322336195 906271 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1322336207 243664 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1322336507 161338 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-27-183.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1322336507 601262 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-27-183.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1322336507 789742 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1322336604 59784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1322336614 283623 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PART :#esoteric < 1322336619 157721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1322337254 641982 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenGL vendor string: VMware, Inc. < 1322337254 871390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe < 1322337254 871581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.11.1 < 1322337256 702479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, vmware? < 1322337802 303203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1322338892 478977 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1322338955 293931 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1322339037 869690 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322339038 48765 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1322339038 48896 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1322339447 735632 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1322339504 388652 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-27-183.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1322339504 568551 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-27-183.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1322339504 568691 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1322339561 175464 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322339580 125848 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had XChat open for about an hour before realising that I hadn't actually joined any channels < 1322339586 982766 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On which note, hello! < 1322339699 37438 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may design a visual language designed for implementation of esoteric programming languages < 1322339855 621463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a mental heuristic: Ngevd says "I may X" -> assume Ngevd will never X. < 1322339870 512742 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much < 1322340330 10935 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1322340559 749717 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1322340581 644615 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1322340581 953223 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322340613 520408 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1322340657 619774 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322340696 372375 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`logs ABCDEF...G < 1322340698 573364 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: logs: not found < 1322340702 724985 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log ABCDEF...G < 1322340707 676294 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-07-14.txt:19:09:45: It's actually abbreviated ABCDEF...G < 1322340855 38247 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322340940 359118 :Darth_Cliche!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322341040 227529 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1322341115 41290 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1322341142 547313 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322341166 657350 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1322341191 540458 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322341222 547420 :Darth_Cliche!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1322341222 726670 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-162-128-110.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1322342227 326607 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322342322 993623 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1322342837 557871 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ping < 1322342837 849239 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: there was a brief scream from one of them life choices." < 1322342857 200018 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, no pong < 1322342861 940376 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be disconnected < 1322342993 454102 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1322343229 934441 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1322343232 383307 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf mad < 1322343237 541631 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/shachaf < 1322343239 536515 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1322343310 539378 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-108.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322343336 132221 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-67.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1322343887 318311 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, shachaf < 1322343893 131412 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see you much < 1322343893 310452 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd < 1322343924 775736 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen you, as far as I know. < 1322343935 58985 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sometimes called Taneb? < 1322343946 943197 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've seen your nick in IRC. < 1322343969 423267 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant we rarely converse < 1322343980 244414 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true. < 1322343984 309836 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you, Jonathan Hoag? < 1322343996 324038 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm elliott's evil twin < 1322344038 740897 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait, I'm the good one < 1322344040 755129 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is easily visible "Taneb" because it is the username after ! < 1322344047 253714 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peoplee always misinterpret that sentence... < 1322344063 500630 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? Are you good one? Or evil? Or both good, possibly? Or both evil? Or both good and evil? Or mixed up? < 1322344091 524651 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm definitely good < 1322344097 359439 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1322344101 692792 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's much more competent than me, so he must be the evil one < 1322344118 815355 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They must be evil due to competent?? < 1322344123 600245 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1322344204 365902 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously < 1322344730 720525 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the time of day of birth of fictional characters? Do you ever make it up? < 1322344812 303472 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to stick my head out of a window < 1322344815 122574 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wish me luck! < 1322344821 780417 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1322344900 544508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1322344901 512090 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it is blustery < 1322344902 765297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover... < 1322344924 693171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFCON crashed. < 1322344926 872285 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MY NAME IS ELLIOTT HIRD YOU KILLED MY FATHER PREPARE TO DIE" < 1322344936 422113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Welp. < 1322344938 880205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :7ff3b2cb7000-7ff3b2cd7000 rw-s 268109000 00:05 3367 /dev/dri/card0zsh: abort ./defcon.bin.x86_64 < 1322344939 572221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I... leave it running? < 1322344950 831953 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prepare to go back in time to kill your grandfather!! < 1322344952 743175 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt much'll happen. < 1322344952 922338 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:27:17: Ngevd: there was a brief scream from one of them life choices." < 1322344953 101554 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1322344953 280446 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: " in there. burn people in there?' said granny. the witch magic and the wizard magic are, i don't have to come. < 1322344964 828851 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Plot twist: I was actually moving my navy to attack. < 1322345013 109559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had everything build up between Africa and South America. < 1322345024 370751 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd never have made it past without extremely heavy losses. < 1322345029 646257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1322345043 307631 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it blustery where you are, at most 2 miles away from me? < 1322345052 308692 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFCON? < 1322345058 928618 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I... guess so? How do you know it's at most 2 miles. < 1322345070 836473 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You live in Hexham < 1322345073 353840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: All this game does is make me really want to play Worms. < 1322345073 532660 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham isn't that big < 1322345075 711484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Hexham is that small? < 1322345080 780281 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1322345083 582562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1322345095 631531 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Hexham proper is < 1322345103 874444 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham improper is HUGE < 1322345144 536490 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And extends for a good 30+ miles westwards from here < 1322345192 699133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Dammit, I just realised I'd have to pirate W:A again to play. < 1322345267 237893 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The story of D&D game I play in has seventeen footnotes so far, and twelve chapters, and five sessions, and thirty-one pages in maximum print mode. < 1322345283 849609 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait till you can make a novel out of it < 1322345366 974350 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is meant to be a novel. But not for sale, and in novel mode there are less pages (because character sheets, session titles, and footnotes are omitted) < 1322345461 691811 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am probably only going to keep the TeX source file and the DVI file for anyone to download. < 1322345530 598831 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never actually played D&D < 1322345539 639061 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got the Player's book thing < 1322345551 105163 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even made a character < 1322345560 286878 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But never found anyone to play with... < 1322345571 998833 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What version? < 1322345581 297052 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4th ed, I'm afraid < 1322345586 55361 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play 3.5 edition. < 1322345603 992071 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read this story if you are interested in it! Now I finished typing all the sessions so far. < 1322345618 363787 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to play a Dwarf Cleric < 1322345646 226525 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, play a dwarf cleric if you want to. < 1322345695 506512 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that have an implied "but you really shouldn't"? < 1322345714 148762 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't imply that. < 1322345730 269290 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh good < 1322345803 762597 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The things about these game is you can play many different way, and makes the game interesting because of that. The different character, good at different things, have different preferences and spells and items and personality and so on, etc < 1322345835 410266 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read the latest copy of my recording? < 1322345843 756292 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read any < 1322345912 649540 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX source file: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/recording/level20.tex Printout file: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/recording/level20.dvi Macro file: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/recording/dungeonsrecording.tex < 1322346012 65520 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recommended tool for anything? < 1322346022 866184 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read: I don't know how to use TeX < 1322346029 592674 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what DVI is < 1322346039 215357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Evince can open DVI files. < 1322346060 547155 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322346103 697478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, DVI is what around three people use for TeX output. < 1322346127 736201 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The source file is also readable in any plain text viewer in case you want to < 1322346723 883142 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-189.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1322347205 353334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Formally, a frame is defined to be a lattice L in which finite meets distribute over arbitrary joins," < 1322347216 806435 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this may be the most confusing phrase I have ever read. < 1322347276 979301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are five words there which I know but which make no sense by their normal definitions. < 1322347548 881606 :jix!~jix@dronf.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1322347991 792755 :jix!~jix@dronf.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322348267 852172 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1322348503 122782 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1322349436 867950 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1322350178 442987 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1322350465 187396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1322350519 470804 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-108.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1322350527 940431 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-230.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322350647 997108 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know how you ruined one of my NetHack games? well, I started another one to make it winnable again, and actually ascended that one :) < 1322350660 990994 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can go back to trying to ascend the original one, but am not sure there's time in November while I'm not busy < 1322350662 819041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: I will clearly have to distract you more in the future! < 1322350680 302257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: (Correction: I ruined _two_ of your NetHack games.) < 1322350691 190059 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the other one? < 1322350697 766365 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: The HP one and the silly arena one. < 1322350701 84167 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, the HP one < 1322350714 433110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts writing his third Perl program.
< 1322350726 478180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very worrying trend. < 1322350745 564018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: What's the favoured mathematical operator to append to CPAN to get a usable tool these days? < 1322350756 748379 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: cpanm -S < 1322350764 736422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: Minus, then? < 1322350768 245056 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1322350776 704308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1322350793 357823 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to use -S rather than running it as root, or the perms end up wrong < 1322350798 614234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: wow, it's even packaed in my OS, too < 1322350806 638846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*packaged < 1322350811 785816 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kitten? < 1322350817 571152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: no, the OS I use :) < 1322350821 888472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the one I'd rather use < 1322350827 239133 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's @ :) < 1322350834 665358 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can have two OSes I'd rather use! < 1322350855 868966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, having said that, the module I want is /also/ in my package manager < 1322350870 629883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Perl have issues with mixing distro/cpan packages like Haskell does with distro/cabal-install packages? < 1322350909 620300 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: also, congrats on ascending < 1322350910 944679 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not noticeably; the major issue is that if you install a package both ways, you might not get the right copy < 1322350994 813215 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: I hope you're right :) < 1322350998 679609 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: does CPAN even have versioned dependencies? < 1322351014 223744 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1322351019 377619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1322351032 977940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to do things via cpanminus for consistency
< 1322351052 487701 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, er, don't have a cpanm command-line tool < 1322351068 185880 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, weird < 1322351072 977732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's in usr/bin/vendor_perl/cpanm < 1322351079 117701 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it in /usr/bin/vendor_perl? < 1322351148 37528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs GD
< 1322351164 788361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: thanks, that was amazingly painless < 1322351240 499160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: hmm, you know probably slightly more about perl packages than I do; is there anything you'd recommend to extract a file from a zip file as a bytestring? (without having to unpack the whole thing to the FS) < 1322351246 794931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: if I can get a filehandle for it, even better < 1322351261 758421 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I've forgotten its name < 1322351277 756119 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has found Archive::Extract, but it seems to just do extract-to-FS
< 1322351353 723862 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, zip file might be something I haven't done < 1322351360 606923 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Archive::Zip seems like the ridiculously fully-featured model < 1322351362 275101 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*module < 1322351368 90223 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's an Archive::Zip::Simple? < 1322351383 51274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Acme::Simple; < 1322351399 445274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# language is now Lazy K; simplicity guaranteed < 1322351421 143421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: hmm, Archive::Zip is done by somebody with an avatar I recognise! < 1322351423 76398 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUST BE GOOD < 1322351436 509530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acme-BadExample-1.01 Perl document, yes. Perl code, no damn way! [Download] [Browse] 30 Mar 2009 < 1322351436 688415 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acme-Everything-1.01 Effectively loads every class in CPAN [Download] [Browse] 10 Dec 2007 < 1322351436 688591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acme-Mom-Yours-0.02 Your mom is so fat she takes 2 months to compile [Download] [Browse] 19 Apr 2009 < 1322351452 587768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet this guy wishes CPAN let you configure the sorting of your package list. < 1322351457 21987 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. < 1322351459 531526 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1322351464 349263 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bad sign when I can't figure out what method's used to get at a particular file in the zip archive < 1322351473 720910 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-230.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1322351483 209502 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/Archive-Zip-1.30/lib/Archive/Zip.pm#Zip_Archive_Accessors < 1322351485 358642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: found with TOC < 1322351507 941715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Return the disk that I start on. Not used for writing zips, but might be interesting if you read a zip in. This should be 0, as Archive::Zip does not handle multi-volume archives." < 1322351512 707436 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, that returns archive member objects, then you can call a method on /those/ to get a filehandle < 1322351513 939720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is this an implementation of a common interface? < 1322351524 892942 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably an implementation of a spec < 1322351561 41551 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott discovers the pain of object-oriented pel. < 1322351565 929318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :object-oriented pel < 1322351575 126628 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it's actually not that painful at all < 1322351582 846574 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1322351593 25860 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit like other OO languages, except that it's made out of language primitives which means that the corner case behaviour is typically more obviosu < 1322351594 550088 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*obvious < 1322351603 102122 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1322351663 670594 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: it just feels... weird. < 1322351665 330675 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in perl < 1322351666 468837 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly. < 1322351684 163031 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IO::Uncompress::Unzip may be the right module to use < 1322351691 780224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I just installed Archive::Zip :) < 1322351750 261214 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use IO::Uncompress::Unzip qw/unzip/; my $unzipped_file_contents; unzip "zipfile.zip" => $$unzipped_file_contents; < 1322351752 90747 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's a nice API < 1322351769 930396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: the zip is large < 1322351772 854498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only want to decompress one file of it < 1322351776 558575 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, aha < 1322351799 528843 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $zip = Archive::Zip->new(); < 1322351799 747648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$zip->read($ENV{'HOME'} . '/.minecraft/bin/minecraft.jar') == AZ_OK or die; < 1322351799 747853 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $terrain = $zip->memberNamed('terrain.png') or die; < 1322351799 747967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $terrain_fh = $terrain->fh(); < 1322351799 748075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was easy! < 1322351834 115712 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO::Uncompress::Unzip can do that too by adding , Name => "file-in-zip.ext" or whatever as an argument < 1322351840 380534 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, hmm, pretty similar in both cases < 1322351847 831580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: to a filehandle? < 1322351853 793841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: I suppose it's no big deal to load this as a string < 1322351859 228531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it feels like a filehandle is FASTER :P < 1322351861 588823 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but you have to pass a filehandle reference as argument < 1322351865 966099 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't remember how to get one of those things < 1322351882 494001 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with "open my $fh" which I think is special-cased < 1322351910 933066 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if you find a module that works, go for it < 1322351985 900333 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: Copyright (c) 2005-2007 Paul Marquess. All rights reserved. < 1322351989 815237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for IO::Uncompress::Unzip < 1322351993 908551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is worrying < 1322351997 764941 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dates?