00:00:01 but that sounds really boring. 00:05:24 hmmmmm 00:05:28 -!- Darth_Cliche has quit (Quit: You are now graced with my absence.). 00:05:36 I just need a sane evaluation method 00:05:53 er, well 00:05:56 /a/ evaluation order 00:06:00 not necessarily a sane one. 00:06:52 */an/ 00:06:54 you illiterate fuck :( 00:07:03 :( 00:08:39 elliott: oops. oh well, at least I'm not a condescending shitfingered cunt. :D :D :D 00:10:08 WTF, Gap Yah was just last year? 00:13:32 shitfingered? 00:16:02 -!- Ngevd has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 00:16:21 calamari: I get tired of the usual insult. 00:16:33 shitfingered cunt has very evocative imagery. 00:16:47 and it can be interpreted multiple ways! 00:17:16 none of them particularly pleasant. 00:24:09 woah. 00:25:37 bbl 00:25:39 -!- calamari has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:25:44 so imagine you have a (possinly infinite) graph that is your program expression. 00:26:35 now imagine that instead of reducing things "bottom to top" you reduce them in whatever direction you like (i.e. you can non-strictly evaluate in multiple directions) 00:26:44 does that make any sense at all? :P 00:29:00 I found out that in GHCi, if you want to assign an IO result to a variable, you should first enter the IO expression at the prompt and then use: let x = it if you want the variable to be called x 00:30:18 Graphics.DVI now will find ligature/kerning: 00:30:32 findLK (charLigKern $ characters tenrm !! 102) 105 = Just (Ligature {lkChar = 105, ligChar = 12, ligCode = 0}) 00:30:44 findLK (charLigKern $ characters tenrm !! 65) 86 = Just (Kerning {lkChar = 86, kernDist = -72819}) 00:30:56 findLK (charLigKern $ characters tenrm !! 64) 85 = Nothing 00:31:28 is there something like "graph automatons" akin to CA? 00:32:37 see eodermdrome 00:32:46 I found out that in GHCi, if you want to assign an IO result to a variable, you should first enter the IO expression at the prompt and then use: let x = it if you want the variable to be called x 00:32:46 why not 00:32:47 x <- ... 00:32:48 ? 00:33:09 O, yes, that works too 00:33:16 But I didn't know that at first 00:35:02 elliott: bah ais beat me. :P ah well, doesn't mean I can't do it differently. 00:36:16 oh wow 00:36:17 that's awesome. 00:37:53 How do I remove interactive bindings? 00:38:35 :reload? :p 00:38:46 ah yes, I see how I can do it differently. 00:38:51 No I want to remove only some bindings 00:40:27 i think you can only shadow them. 00:42:37 the difficult part will be determining evaluation order. 00:43:39 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:43:56 -!- Zuu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 00:50:36 -!- Zuu has joined. 00:53:48 * Phantom__Hoover → sleep 00:53:49 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:56:34 so the idea I've got 00:56:50 is that the graph nodes are all single digits 0-9 00:57:59 each digit performs a different operation, and evaluation order is determined by the priority of the node. 00:58:28 each tick, 9's evaluate first, and 0's evaluate last. 00:58:47 so it kind of works like a CA, except it's a graph.. 01:06:11 -!- Darth_Cliche has joined. 01:08:38 my brain hurts. 01:09:13 I'm tempted to throw together a set of completely incoherent operations 01:09:19 this is essentially what I did with dupdog. 01:09:22 -!- Jafet has joined. 01:11:02 but instead, I think I'll just take my time working out what each digit + node degree results in. 01:12:23 so for example 0s and 1s with degree 1 or 2 remain inert, and would basically represent binary data. however for higher degrees they would do... something else that I haven't figured out. 01:14:59 elliott, I'll upload some screenshots of Skyrim shortly. Unlike videos or jpeg compressed screenshots (which seems to be the norm from what I seen) these should actually let you judge the graphical quality. 01:15:08 also fraps is really bad for the FPS 01:15:14 yay 01:16:34 elliott, I notice no stuttering without Fraps running, but with it (I used it for the screenshots since prtsc didn't work in the game for some reason) its FPS display reports 40 FPS and I notice some frame rate drop too. 01:16:49 i think there's meant to be a less laggy capturing tool 01:16:54 hm 01:16:57 elliott, possibly 01:17:37 well I have 33 MB of screenshots as pngs 01:17:44 note, this is just a few files 01:17:50 14 files 01:18:00 i'm about to leave shortly, so i'll probably see them tomorrow 01:18:45 elliott, while the screenshots should contain no spoilers, there are some pictures from buildings a fair bit into the game. If you haven't played it, it is just some pretty (or not so pretty) architecture. 01:19:30 Doesn't bother me 01:20:14 elliott, the first one is up at http://whotookspaz.org/~anmaster/images/skyrim/ 01:20:52 huh, the HUD interface looks kind of amateurish like that, the castle icon thing 01:20:57 very pretty though 01:21:05 elliott, look at the second 01:21:10 elliott, not so pretty eh? 01:21:19 unfortunately i have to go now :( will they still be up tomorrow? 01:21:22 and heh, nice textures 01:21:33 elliott, designed for console rather than PC 01:21:37 pretty obviously 01:21:51 elliott, but sure, they /may/ be there tomorrow 01:22:00 alright 01:22:01 elliott, unless I get a cease-and-desist 01:22:03 or something 01:23:10 cease and desist showing off our crappy textures 01:23:13 Vorpal, horses and chickens can report you to the authorities in skyrim :P 01:23:15 elliott, ^ 01:23:19 elliott, as in, if you steal 01:23:21 :D 01:23:29 elliott, topic was "bugs" 01:23:53 elliott, but yeah I seen a few understandable and some rather weird bugs 01:23:56 -!- elliott has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:25:57 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 01:33:28 -!- copumpkin has joined. 01:59:50 -!- kmc has joined. 02:14:49 -!- Darth_Cliche has quit (Quit: You are now graced with my absence.). 02:43:54 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 03:02:41 -!- madbr has joined. 03:15:46 elliott: Now is a good time for me to reappear. 03:24:05 Can you make a ligaturing program to increment an arbitrary sized number? 03:27:45 -!- Aune has quit (Quit: L�mnar). 03:43:45 -!- sebbu has joined. 03:43:45 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 03:43:45 -!- sebbu has joined. 03:46:32 -!- sebbu3 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:49:20 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 03:49:21 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 03:49:21 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 03:52:43 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:16:10 -!- tiffany has quit (Quit: ninies~). 04:42:45 -!- sebbu3 has joined. 04:45:44 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:51:55 -!- MDude has changed nick to MSleep. 04:58:54 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 05:21:29 05:26:42 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 05:40:59 Someone elsewhere mentioned this thing 05:41:00 const void * const ((*foo)(const float *,int *(*)(float *,int,int),void())[5]); 05:41:06 * Sgeo|chromcrash has no idea what that does 05:43:54 Sgeo|chromcrash: It seems to be a C code for a function type? 05:44:09 zzo38: Yes, I think 05:44:36 Out of context it is difficult to understand what its purpose is. 05:45:33 zzo38: Someone posted it in another channel and said that if anyone figured it out they'd get 255 internet cookies 05:45:54 * Sgeo|chromcrash mentioend that he posted it in another channel 05:47:55 that's like a function pointer no? 05:48:46 madbr: Yes I think so 05:48:58 pointer to function that returns a constant pointer to constant data or something like that 05:51:59 wait, hmm, no 06:16:30 -!- madbr has quit (Quit: Radiateur). 06:32:42 -!- nys has quit (Quit: quit). 06:53:06 It's C++, not C. 06:56:10 It's an array of five function pointers. Each points to a function returning a pointer which is mega-super-duper-constant (can't change it, can't change thru it). The functions take a constant float pointer/array, a function (float *,int,int)->int *, and whatever a "void()" is (that one stumps me ... generic function pointer maybe?) 06:56:27 Ohwait 06:56:46 Right, that return type "const void *const" in fact indicates that it's constant and also always returns the same value for the same inputs. 06:58:42 Still not sure about void() though. 07:01:02 Perhaps it has something to do with variadic arguments ... 07:02:22 Yup, can't figure out what void() means and it's not searchable online :P 07:11:03 Problem is it can't just be void, you can't have void as a parameter >_> 07:14:41 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:21:26 Sgeo|chromcrash: Do you know the "declarations use the same syntax as expressions" trick for reading C declarations? 08:24:38 No 08:25:11 Um, I have a feeling you just told me it 08:28:52 Sgeo|chromcrash: The trick is basically "declarations use the same syntax as expressions". 08:29:12 For example, "int x;" declares x as an integer; "int *x;" declares *x as an integer. 08:31:10 If you have a function blah that takes two doubles and returns a pointer to a double, then "*(*blah)(5.0,3.0)" is a double; therefore "double *(*blah)(double x, double y);" declares that function. 08:32:54 If you have an array yak of pointers to functions that take ints and return void and you want to call one, you say "(*yak[1])(8)"; therefore you can declare yak as "void (*yak[5])(int);" 08:32:58 And so on. 08:42:32 cdecl> explain const void * const ((*foo)(const float *,int *(*)(float *,int,int),void())[5]); 08:42:35 declare foo as pointer to function (pointer to const float, pointer to function (pointer to float, int, int) returning pointer to int, function returning void) returning array 5 of const pointer to const void 08:49:55 Also: $ echo 'const void * const ((*foo)(const float *,int *(*)(float *,int,int),void())[5]);' | gcc -std=c99 -pedantic -Wall -Wextra -x c - 08:49:58 :1:23: error: ‘foo’ declared as function returning an array 08:50:01 :1:23: warning: type qualifiers ignored on function return type 08:50:49 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 08:51:33 Or "error: function cannot return array type 'void const *const [5]'" if you ask clang. 08:52:11 I wonder why returning arrays is illegal. 08:53:23 You can always put them in a struct, after all. 08:54:09 You couldn't assign the return value anywhere, for one thing. 08:55:19 I guess that's true. Why isn't that allowed too? :-) 08:55:27 That of course just transforms into the question of why array assignment is illegal when array-in-a-struct assignment is just fine, yes. 08:55:39 Hysterical raisins, maybe. 08:56:24 Raisins tend to be far funnier than they ought to. 09:07:29 -!- Ngevd has joined. 09:13:52 I'm inclined to just say "C arrays suck". 09:15:09 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 09:15:09 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 09:15:09 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 09:16:15 -!- Taneb has joined. 09:16:20 Stupid connection problems 09:18:39 -!- Ngevd has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:18:48 -!- sebbu3 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:19:38 -!- Ngevd has joined. 09:19:42 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:20:20 -!- copumpkin has joined. 09:23:45 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 09:24:04 -!- Taneb has joined. 09:28:21 -!- Ngevd has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 09:28:56 -!- derrik has joined. 09:30:20 -!- Vorpal has joined. 09:32:42 -!- Jafet has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:34:06 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 09:35:33 -!- Jafet has joined. 09:35:36 -!- Jafet has quit (Changing host). 09:35:36 -!- Jafet has joined. 09:44:13 -!- Ngevd has joined. 09:52:11 -!- Taneb has joined. 09:54:26 http://pastebin.com/NM6TRF8R 09:54:48 -!- Ngevd has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 09:56:59 -!- Taneb has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:57:22 -!- Taneb has joined. 10:02:42 Any thoughts on that? 10:12:07 -!- derrik has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 10:27:53 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:47:23 IOT would be a good name for a nonsense language 10:47:38 Morning Phantom_Hoover 10:48:25 Or is it... the afternoon???? 10:48:42 You're in the same time zone as me. 10:48:42 No, it's not; I got up in time today. 10:48:44 It's mornin 10:48:44 g 11:00:09 http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/mad87/what_is_d%C3%A9j%C3%A0_vu/ 11:00:23 This is possibly the most heavily-pruned AskScience thread I've seen. 11:01:34 You know, I only go on reddit when it's linked on the #esoteric channel family? 11:03:25 I started off that way. 11:08:33 Phantom_Hoover, did you see the native res skyrim screenshots I made? 11:08:39 No. 11:08:40 http://whotookspaz.org/~anmaster/images/skyrim/ 11:08:44 in case you are interested 11:08:59 I note you have emigrated from the Sporks server. 11:09:15 Phantom_Hoover, that one is the sporks server. Just the domain name changed. 11:09:26 because network got renamed 11:09:47 http://whotookspaz.org/~anmaster/images/skyrim/TESV%202011-11-13%2001-03-46-22.png 11:09:52 That looks pretty terrible. 11:09:52 Is it just me or do those rocks look just a bit too specular 11:09:55 Phantom_Hoover, yes 11:09:56 http://whotookspaz.org/~anmaster/images/skyrim/TESV%202011-11-13%2001-03-38-38.png 11:10:05 Phantom_Hoover, the game is clearly designed for consoles 11:10:12 Phantom_Hoover, where you don't really see stuff up close 11:10:25 because the TV is further away than a computer monitor 11:10:45 Jafet, I believe it is snow and ice on them, not sure though 11:10:47 -!- derdon has joined. 11:11:06 Jafet, and there is direct sunlight on parts, while other parts are in shadow 11:11:15 Well, eh; we're not exactly the kind of people to start judging a game based on the graphics. 11:11:23 There is no snow nor ice, only direct3d parameters 11:11:28 right 11:11:30 And textures 11:11:35 yeah 11:11:44 anyway I prefer the graphics of Witcher 2. Way better 11:11:50 And damn, that rock thingy looks specular. 11:12:03 That's some ugly snow, yes. 11:12:10 indeed 11:12:19 still, looks better than oblivion 11:12:37 but yes, it is clearly not up to scratch with high end PC graphics 11:12:54 ISTR hearing that the system requirements were actually fairly low. 11:12:55 It doesn't look too bad from a distance, I guess. 11:13:14 Phantom_Hoover, indeed. I'm running it on ultra graphics settings 11:13:14 But yeah, the shiny rocks are a bit offputting. 11:13:44 I played Fallout 3, and it also had shiny rocks everywhere 11:13:46 Phantom_Hoover, anyway I think consoles like xbos 360 has 512 MB RAM or some such 11:13:47 Phantom_Hoover: You're supposed to go all "ooh, shiny!", not "yuck, shiny!" on it. 11:13:51 I guess I can just pretend all the rocks in Skyrim are muscovite? 11:13:53 And shiny dirt and shiny rubble 11:14:01 And shiny concrete pieces 11:14:25 Jafet: Possibly polishing dirt is a common occupation in the post-apocalyptic era. 11:14:36 XD 11:14:42 Could be all the lasers 11:14:46 fizzie, obviously, how else are you meant to get all that radiation off? 11:15:15 also I find that the HUD looks fairly bad 11:15:23 it feels out of place in the setting 11:15:58 Don't worry, there will soon be a mod for fix each of those things 11:16:01 You'd... prefer bits of paper on the screen? 11:16:01 from a pure aesthetic point of view, the HUD and menus of oblivion were better 11:16:35 Phantom_Hoover, well from the point of view of navigating the menus, skyrim is /way/ better than oblivion 11:16:36 PixelQuest update 11:16:48 And then there will be a mod to make the menus look exactly like Oblivion's 11:16:54 Phantom_Hoover, I find the font used in skyrim is pretty bad too 11:16:57 Taneb, did you respond to my submission already. 11:17:03 Jafet, probably 11:17:03 Nah, getting to it 11:17:16 And then there will be a mod to make females naked 11:17:29 Jafet, and another one to make children killable 11:17:30 Vorpal, shush, you're sounding like elliott at his worst. 11:17:35 Hehe just got a funny idea 11:17:57 -!- Taneb has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:18:06 Vorpal: are you sure gamers want to kill them? 11:18:13 -!- Taneb has joined. 11:18:26 That wasn't the funny idea, by the way 11:18:29 Phantom_Hoover, Jafet: other funny thing. When you create your character all the attributes are sliders. Including the gender one. However it only have two positions. 11:18:36 but why make it a full length slider 11:18:44 Extensibility? 11:18:48 Jafet, yes, because gamers want to kill everything, and the inability to kill a class of things just makes them want to kill them all the more. 11:18:51 maaaybe 11:19:00 Vorpal: The gender-slider's something elliott also complained about. 11:19:01 Vorpal, Simon and elliott have both poked fun at that. 11:19:10 fizzie, and yogscast too 11:19:17 Phantom_Hoover, snap :P 11:19:22 I'm not going to get Skyrim 11:19:24 Not for a while anyway 11:19:36 I can think of worse things gamers might think of doing to children in a video game 11:19:47 50 eur sounds a bit much for a game with only two genders, yes. 11:19:48 yeah unless you are a die hard TES fan, you are better off waiting for some of the bugs to get fixed 11:19:53 yes, it has quite a few bugs 11:20:25 Jafet, take them to the theatre to see the Nutcracker Suite as a hip-hop interpretive dance? 11:20:36 like dragons crash landing on a slope. The rag doll physics seem to have problem handling that, resulting in some very odd looking animations.l 11:20:40 s/l$// 11:21:03 Taneb's idea was worse than I thought 11:21:12 I hope he doesn't make a mod for that 11:21:17 XD 11:21:44 "Hey guys, the new game by Bethesda Softworks, it has quite a few bugs" 11:21:53 I'm not sure what you're getting at 11:21:57 Jafet, XD 11:22:07 but s 11:22:15 but sure, it is fun to play 11:22:40 -!- Jafet has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 11:24:33 Phantom_Hoover, anyway the map screen is an improvement compared to oblivion definitely 11:25:41 Phantom_Hoover, anyway how can you /not/ think that this font is terrible: http://whotookspaz.org/~anmaster/images/skyrim/TESV%202011-11-13%2001-05-10-37.png 11:27:00 Phantom_Hoover, oh and it generally doesn't look as bad when you play it. After all you are generally moving, that tends to help. 11:27:32 -!- Patashu has quit (Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .). 11:27:50 fizzie, are you going to play skyrim? 11:28:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:29:33 fizzie, sure you said it was a bit expensive above, but that doesn't mean you won't play it. After all it was "launched" on torrents before it was launched officially, so it won't really be hard to get hold of. 11:32:11 I might just wait until they release a cheapo version in a few years. Will see. 11:33:45 That's what I did with NWN1 and NWN2. 11:33:48 http://www.skyrimnexus.com/index.php <-- quite a few mods already. And the official modding SDK has not yet been released even... 11:34:06 Or maybe I got NWN2 with a graphics card, actually. 11:34:21 heh 11:38:41 Bundling games with graphics cards is a funny thing. I got that "G-Police" game with... either the Voodoo2 or some Matrox card. 11:41:27 fizzie, never even heard of that game 11:41:36 what sort of game was it? 11:41:37 It's a shooting thing. 11:41:38 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:41:40 heh 11:41:52 Phantom_Hoover, see logs before you pinged out 11:41:57 I didn't play-play it, but it was impressively threedee for 1997. 11:42:07 fizzie, play-play? 11:42:14 Seriously play. 11:42:19 "The game made use of cutting edge technology such as force–feedback joysticks, 3D sound and Direct3D Hardware Acceleration and was largely well-received. Critics noted that the game's graphics were some of the most technically impressive of the time." 11:42:19 ah 11:42:32 "The gameplay involves piloting VTOL aircraft resembling helicopters, engaging in combat with enemies and protecting allies." 11:42:44 Not really my sort of thing, but it looked impressive. 11:43:07 Okay, away-away; it's this "father's day" thing today at least in Finland. 11:43:08 mhm 11:43:14 heh 11:43:20 fizzie, you are going to your father? 11:43:28 fizzie, or are you a father? 11:43:34 The former. 11:43:40 ah 11:43:43 Free food, basically. :p 11:44:03 heh 11:44:33 We "did" my wife's father yesterday; so free dinners for the whole weekend, even. 11:44:51 Eeew. 11:45:09 Phantom_Hoover, ? 11:45:19 fizzie, anyway those quotes looks strange 11:45:24 We "did" my wife's father yesterday; 11:45:31 Not that sort of "do". 11:45:32 Phantom_Hoover, oh right 11:45:43 without the quotes I would never had noticed the issue 11:46:10 Got a bus to catch. -> 11:46:21 Phantom_Hoover, anyway how can you /not/ think that this font is terrible: http://whotookspaz.org/~anmaster/images/skyrim/TESV%202011-11-13%2001-05-10-37.png 11:46:23 well? 11:46:58 Speaking of food, breakfast time 11:47:03 It's not /terrible/, it's just not curly and serifed enough to fit well with a fantasy setting. 11:47:24 Phantom_Hoover, Exactly. It is terrible in the context. 11:47:28 -!- Taneb has changed nick to Taneb|Not-Here. 11:47:33 it would work fine in other places, sure 11:47:53 Vorpal, eh; it's a bit incongruous, but if you can't see beyond the font... 11:48:07 Phantom_Hoover, then I'm an elliott clone? 11:48:35 Phantom_Hoover, sure, I can play the game. It isn't a game blocking "bug" for me. It just annoys me. 11:50:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dYf0IfDz5Y&t=1m3s 11:50:59 Those moons.... 11:51:45 My inner physicist is screaming, of course. 11:53:04 -!- Taneb|Not-Here has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:56:53 -!- Ngevd has joined. 12:01:23 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 12:01:48 -!- copumpkin has joined. 12:12:03 -!- pkzip has joined. 12:12:20 -!- pkzip has left. 12:15:47 @ping 12:15:47 pong 12:15:53 That's good 12:20:11 Phantom_Hoover, I hope that video is actually either a minecraft mod or a skyrim mod. I don't think so however :( 12:33:32 @ping 12:33:33 pong 12:33:44 Okay, my IRC connection seems fine 12:36:33 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:36:58 -!- copumpkin has joined. 12:39:39 http://i.imgur.com/VfBeP.png 12:41:16 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 12:41:41 -!- copumpkin has joined. 12:44:08 Is S and K combinatory logic still turing-complete if it's restricted to balanced binary trees? 12:44:37 Yep. 12:44:47 Just pad out with ``skks as required. 12:45:14 Okay 12:45:16 That's (``skk), plural s, of course. 12:45:22 I did not actually need to know that at all 12:47:02 It might be a bit more complicated than that, since that only lets you add two extra levels, but I think you can pad to an odd number too. 12:47:52 kj;oahgua;ewighage 12:48:04 scan.co.uk wiped my basket. 12:48:05 Argh. 13:01:08 Phantom_Hoover, what were you buying? 13:03:21 -!- Ngevd has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:10:23 Computer bits. 13:18:09 -!- Ngevd has joined. 13:19:47 I might learn Lisp 13:20:11 Somewhere at the end of my list of languages to learn 13:22:45 Phantom_Hoover, ah 13:23:11 Phantom_Hoover, so soon you will be able to play all the games from that humble bundle that you complained you couldn't play 13:23:26 Phantom_Hoover, I really recommend trying out Trine. 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homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa sms speeches ss wp youtube 13:51:19 ^style agora 13:51:20 Selected style: agora (a large selection of Agora rules, both current and historical) 13:51:23 fungot 13:51:23 Ngevd: as soon as possible after the next substantial change occurs in the manner specified in the registrar's report. this rule, including the riff-raff; and the 13:54:26 -!- ais523 has joined. 13:57:31 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 14:05:31 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:18:55 -!- Taneb has joined. 14:20:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:21:25 -!- MSleep has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 14:22:04 -!- Taneb|Hovercraft has joined. 14:22:08 -!- Ngevd has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:23:07 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:26:00 -!- Taneb|Hovercraft has changed nick to Taneb. 14:31:19 `quote 14:31:26 94) and an AMICED literal would presumably /add/ info to the source whatever info gets added, that's the value that the AMICED doesn't contain it's all falling into place 14:31:30 Wait, fungot responds faster. 14:31:30 Phantom_Hoover: i) the amendment index when the motion. c) auction currency is the registrar shall, as described in other rules, 14:31:40 Is that INTERCAL style? 14:31:42 ^style 14:31:42 Available: agora* alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa sms speeches ss wp youtube 14:32:11 @ping 14:32:11 pong 14:32:24 Phantom_Hoover: it looks pretty agorish to me 14:32:25 hi fungot, btw 14:32:26 ais523: if such a transfer must additionally document every change made to perform an action, or rule-- or other problem, a gambler holds or has exactly one 14:41:42 -!- derrik has joined. 14:42:41 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 14:48:29 ais523: do you know of any languages similar to Eodermdrome? 14:48:42 I'm looking for insiration on graph-rewriting languages. 14:48:44 Kolmogorov machines operate on similar principles. 14:49:22 CakeProphet: there's one other, which is similar but more complex, based on Kolmogorov machines 14:49:29 I forget who wrote it, but it's on the wiki somewhere 14:50:09 what I have in mind something more like a CA than a rewriting machine. 14:50:22 so instead of specifying rewrite rules in the program you specify the initial shape of the graph 14:50:39 and the relationships between states in the graphs cause the graph to change every turn. 15:01:02 so it's similar to the other language, except it has fixed rewrite rules and a program is the initial state, rather than having a fixed initial state and a program is the rewrite rules? 15:01:39 yep 15:01:54 though I don't know if they'll end up being exactly like rewrite rules. 15:02:34 te states are all going to be 0-9, and I was going to have higher numbers take priority over lower numbers perhaps. 15:02:59 so 9-rules activate before 8-rules before ... 15:03:57 @tell elliott Ordered computerons. 15:03:57 Consider it noted. 15:07:03 -!- Ngevd has joined. 15:09:54 -!- Taneb has joined. 15:13:44 -!- Ngevd has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 15:24:25 -!- Ngevd has joined. 15:27:55 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 15:29:33 Phantom_Hoover: yes SOON THEY WILL REVOLUTIONARIZE COMPYUTING 15:31:12 so yes unlike eodermwekjiwrdrome there can be more than one node with the same state. 15:31:31 as how the node will behave can depend on its degree. 15:37:07 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 15:37:07 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:39:06 -!- Ngevd has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 15:51:17 -!- Ngevd has joined. 15:56:37 CakeProphet, eodermwekjiwrdrome? 15:56:55 yes. 15:57:16 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Eodermdrome 15:57:33 CakeProphet, that is Eodermdrome, not eodermwekjiwrdrome... 15:58:51 ooooooohhhhhhhh 15:58:54 .. -_- 16:15:41 eodermwekjiwrdrome was a better name :( 16:17:06 -!- pikhq has joined. 16:17:12 -!- MSleep has joined. 16:17:38 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 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'/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 16:35:32 http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/w/index.php?title=Excela&diff=25170&oldid=13100 16:35:37 ais523: is this vandalism, or..? 16:35:44 oh, yes 16:35:50 see last line 16:38:00 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 16:40:44 safe pills? yesssss 16:52:16 -!- nys has joined. 16:52:18 -!- tiffany has joined. 16:53:55 -!- Ngevd has joined. 16:56:55 -!- derrik has quit (Quit: done). 16:59:48 I don't know if I want to try these CRAAAZY patches. 17:00:08 Gregor: feels good, man. 17:00:22 Gregor: You mean Transactional HackEgo? :P 17:00:36 You have nooooo idea how much time I spent working out the commit logic. 17:01:35 Gregor: I mostly blame BitBucket's diff for not realising that I rewrote tr_60.cmd :P 17:03:28 elliott: THEY'RE PRETTY CRAZY REGARDLESS 17:03:48 Gregor: Pfft, lib/server is the only even vaguely crazy part 17:04:26 tr_60.cmd is a simple script that forwards messages to a server, lib/{fetch,revert} is just a moving of code, and lib/sandbox is a glorified UMLBox wrapper :P 17:04:41 (If 25 lines can be called glorification.) 17:04:44 '-R3128:127.0.0.1a:3128', 17:04:47 Hmm, is that "a" meant to be there? 17:04:54 lol no 17:05:27 Gregor: Fix't 17:05:30 -!- Ngevd has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:10:02 elliott: lib/server needs to already have IRC_SOCK set? >_< 17:10:20 Gregor: Well... it could receive the IRC socket location as a first message? 17:10:25 Gregor: You could just make a FIFO, man :P 17:10:47 FIFO's had problems, sockets are coolerer. 17:10:51 multibot is what sets IRC_SOCK though. 17:10:57 Not the runner. 17:11:32 Gregor: Well... you could just make socat start another script rather than the bot directly. 17:11:45 That script would do IRC_SOCK=/dev/stdin lib/server & bot 17:11:54 I can tweak the server if you'd prefer that though :P 17:12:11 Tweak the server >_< 17:12:29 Gregor: Okay; how (i.e. how would you like it to get a hold of the IRC socket) 17:13:28 I frankly don't understand WHY it needs the IRC_SOCKET, but if it does, it should be sent with {a,the} command{,s}. 17:13:50 Gregor: ...because it sends the output of commands back to the user...? 17:14:01 Oh, server does that now? 17:14:07 Yeah, server handles the running 17:14:13 Because the alternative is complicated IPC shit in tr_60.cmd 17:14:32 Nowonder :P 17:14:36