< 1320710401 561311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: http://apfelmus.nfshost.com/articles/monoid-fingertree.html < 1320710412 859005 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, ty < 1320710419 753963 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ooh, here we go. Call me Pupa. < 1320710426 207112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: No. < 1320710448 662470 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or call me "tswett, you should shut the fuck up, you've had too much caffeine lately". < 1320710498 977273 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having trouble distinguishing your behaviour from normal :) < 1320710507 412446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you always have this much caffeine? < 1320710523 764323 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1320710538 198674 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, elliott. What do I do in this channel on most days? < 1320710550 83013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not talk, but I presume that's because you don't actually pay attention to it. < 1320710567 160850 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1320710593 130920 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only seen the .. syntax in extensions to record stuff < 1320710617 227541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: It's a placeholder. < 1320710632 314398 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Note how it isn't code. < 1320710635 943504 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we want the annotations to fulfill" < 1320710680 243836 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is too tired for this
< 1320710701 637204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what you always say. < 1320710795 762238 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no desire to use global mutable variables, the ReaderT stuff should be sufficient I think
< 1320710825 683864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Monad transformers over IO are ugly. You're binding a C API, so you're going to have to do a lot worse than global variables. < 1320710833 784652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They won't be exposed from outside the package, so it's quite irrelevant. < 1320710860 764272 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically you're saying you'd rather infect all user API code with an implementation detail, than use one of the provided facilities intended for binding to C APIs. < 1320711023 530259 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: But *shrug* your code < 1320711031 360902 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePerformIO to make a global variable is intended to be used like that? < 1320711103 10723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePerformIO was originally part of the FFI addendum to accomplish things like that. See http://hackage.haskell.org/package/safe-globals for a way to hide the ugly. < 1320711186 159652 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose something stupid like multiple invocations of the library.. somehow < 1320711244 656608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's impossible. < 1320711254 625403 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the AW API supports that. < 1320711261 48118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which we've established it doesn't, because it does awful global things. < 1320711335 90059 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hypothetical library that does < 1320711342 767754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have one of those. < 1320711357 836569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are you trying to write one binding that works with multiple hypothetical APIs without changing the implementation?? < 1320711368 67791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, why not just make one Haskell library that binds to every C library ever without changing. < 1320711371 991411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwim :: IO a < 1320711377 109032 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I probably should ask just to check that aw_int and the like don't send stuff over the wire < 1320711424 427602 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it does, it would be .. absurd to set every global to a blank variable < 1320711431 794832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1320711453 603868 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-148.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: nyu~ < 1320711462 893375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't think you have any idea what you're doing, if you think there's going to be a large number of globals, or if you think "blank variable" means anything.
< 1320711486 985288 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C API has a large number of .. global-like things < 1320711499 522091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes you think you need to reflect those in Haskell? < 1320711505 34581 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm just hoping they're stored locally, rather than on the server < 1320711512 99037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was suggesting these for internal use, because that's what you'd talked about earlier. < 1320711529 3837 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wouldn't, I would just.. I think kmc suggested setting those to a default value every function call < 1320711544 86303 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the ones that the function call needs modified < 1320711554 751178 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@71-210-150-147.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320711556 710522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it would help if you actually communicated the API issues involved rather than just asking as vague a question as possible. < 1320711572 485096 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-150-147.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1320711600 601934 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Many function calls require setting what the API calls attributes, such as using aw_int_set("AW_TELEPORT_X", 0); before the function call < 1320711619 639723 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Events also often receive data which you retrieve by, e.g., aw_int("AW_TELEPORT_X") < 1320711622 882186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling doesn't suggest those quotes should be there. < 1320711630 461304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They look like #defines. < 1320711639 915714 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, you're right < 1320711659 408487 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Every call has a defined set of parameters, yes? Going by http://www.activeworlds.com/sdk/aw_object_add.htm. < 1320711686 13126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you just need to poke each parameter, make the call, and read the parameter result. < 1320711686 246796 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1320711691 872167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the thread that's making the API calls, etc. etc. etc.) < 1320711725 833477 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... pretty sure I only need to ensure sequential access < 1320711736 480529 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than all having to be in the same thread < 1320711769 115957 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: So you want a global lock. Now we'll spend 3 minutes as you convince yourself that these two situations are equivalent. < 1320711789 998271 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What two situations? < 1320711799 781115 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was the situation that I was using the global lock for < 1320711821 764374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: The situation of having one thread making all API calls, and every thread acquiring a lock on each API call. < 1320711837 385806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also remember that Haskell threads are very cheap, if that's what you're worrying about (tens of thousands at a time is fine). < 1320711859 72624 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought global lock is easier to implement < 1320711914 148615 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both are trivial. Which one you want depends on your situation. < 1320712081 83092 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, this code is hard to get a handle on. < 1320712085 690834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not your thing.) < 1320712428 666360 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, now my machine is simultaneously running Debian (naturalismo), Windows 7, and #1 contender for the "Even Worse than Windows" prize Mac OS X. < 1320712498 766262 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: At least OS X doesn't need Cygwin. < 1320712518 902935 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin in wine on os x? :) < 1320712748 997161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: You should liberate this Python code by porting it to Haskell for me (note: incredibly non-trivial) < 1320712811 810237 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :first: liberate it from its misery using rm -fr < 1320712821 536073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's gooooood. < 1320712841 522544 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then rewrite in haskell sometime, I might not feel like helping you with that :P < 1320712917 346387 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, python code can't be good... I'll admit that it can work, but *good*? < 1320712965 164200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's an ACID STM database with both file-based and network access in less than 6000 lines of code! < 1320713019 371744 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! haskell has STM built-in! :) < 1320713036 430611 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, or maybe it's a library, w/e < 1320713036 484231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: um, it's missing the database part. < 1320713046 334471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc has built-in _in-memory_ STM < 1320713056 880026 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way you can extend that to be file-based or w/e < 1320713079 959308 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, how can it be hard? I have no knowledge of this being hard! < 1320713112 206345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you'd have to completely rewrite the ghc stm internals :P < 1320713115 331586 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't the M refer to memory? < 1320713122 709039 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for things other than memory stuff, why call it STM? < 1320713132 342825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's still memory, it's just non-volatile memory < 1320713139 574600 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: trivial! (given a sufficently smart reader to finish the exercise) < 1320713141 350557 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also because you have to have all the database in-RAM in Durus and similar < 1320713167 177990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think the one thing every expert can agree on is that STM is not trivial :P < 1320713187 784634 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :their readers are just not sufficiently smart < 1320713239 37519 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could STM be implemented without compiler support? < 1320713244 684950 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Albeit potentially inefficiently? < 1320713281 593286 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they tried putting it in .NET and it was horribly inefficient, don't recall how much compiler support it took < 1320713286 107931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: trivially < 1320713325 417043 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: tons; the problem is that stm sucks without purity < 1320713399 47120 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be particularly wrong for me to name a type Object? < 1320713421 815433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only will people kill you, but they might kill your family too. < 1320713423 784429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object - not even once. < 1320713480 896799 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should learn lenses
< 1320713489 877250 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only assume that lenses make dealing with records easier < 1320713665 827978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lenses are just Lens whole part = whole -> (part, whole -> part) < 1320713674 842277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :name :: Person -> (String, String -> Person) < 1320713685 921020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :name (Person name age email) = (name, \name' -> Person name' age email) < 1320714056 611951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: ^ < 1320714065 216011 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1320714084 652505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ helper functions for modification, accessing within state monad + template haskell to derive them from a record definition < 1320714162 835746 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, 6000 lines of python, hopefully that's more python than I've ever read before < 1320714181 432717 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, probably not :( < 1320714263 985824 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Actually 5288 (+ 461 lines of mostly boilerplate) < 1320714290 45556 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly boilerplate? doesn't that apply to the rest of the python code? < 1320714300 347999 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's all obfuscated python! < 1320714402 392727 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's actually remarkably boilerplate-free :P < 1320714418 35457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it hard to read, I'm trained to ignore all but every fifth line when reading Python < 1320714449 126652 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320714454 916893 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1320715178 926223 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1320716220 959719 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lenses form a category too, I think. And yes that is very good if you need more you could use a Template Haskell code to automatically generate the lens codes for each field. < 1320716633 531722 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can Template Haskell generate Template Haskell? < 1320716643 991933 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: I don't think so. < 1320716671 804421 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you might be able to fake it. < 1320716700 38600 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for *Template* Template Haskell! < 1320716709 475180 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote majestic < 1320716709 595034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: Welcome to #haskell, where @remember's are in majestic stereo! < 1320716717 534021 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong majestic quote, nm < 1320716788 682918 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be some macro system that can do things with a Haskell code. That way you could generate Template Haskell and various other things. (There is C preprocessor but that isn't very good for Haskell.) < 1320716841 929847 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, a macro system that could be used to make up do-notation, rather than requiring do-notation built-in to Haskell. < 1320716955 918724 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I was under the impression that quasiquoters take arbitrary strings < 1320717010 663808 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do. < 1320717033 602259 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote majestic < 1320717033 874243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anonycale says: Welcome to #haskell, where your questions are answered in majestic stereo! < 1320717039 982558 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote majestic < 1320717040 99709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anonycale says: Welcome to #haskell, where your questions are answered in majestic stereo! < 1320717041 110291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote majestic < 1320717041 343947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: Welcome to #haskell, where @remember's are in majestic stereo! < 1320717063 448488 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote template.haskell < 1320717063 677543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Can't represent a guarded lambda in Template Haskell < 1320717065 228814 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote template.haskell < 1320717065 501360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Cannot desugar this Template Haskell declaration < 1320717066 367651 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote template.haskell < 1320717066 603369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Can't represent a guarded lambda in Template Haskell < 1320717067 457493 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote template.haskell < 1320717067 699676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Can't represent a guarded lambda in Template Haskell < 1320717097 41981 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, can't find it *shrug* < 1320717145 124916 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote majesty < 1320717145 291286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :malcolm says: I don't believe you need to invoke the full awesome majesty of Template Haskell < 1320717163 775925 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, imagine the awesome majesty of template template haskell < 1320717211 281128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1320717261 170276 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1320717294 218068 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1320717341 8925 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that Stanislav probably doesn't like Haskell < 1320718113 352128 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quasiquotes do take arbitrary strings; it is sometimes the problem due to if you are using a Haskell syntax in them, and you have |] in a string or comment; it won't work. < 1320718300 395001 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you combined Template Haskell with a system of macros that works well, you might be able to make up do-notation and more-notation using that, and possibly such things as anonymous classes, autonumbering, and so on. < 1320718447 435491 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: BTW, Aero was off by default, it's smart about not turning it on on systems without good graphics. < 1320718617 598366 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320718713 516136 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't more notation your idea? < 1320718763 52103 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Yes it is. But I mean a more general system that could be used to make up such things, and even things already in Haskell such as do-notation. < 1320718816 906990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : It occurs to me that Stanislav probably doesn't like Haskell < 1320718821 919752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see comments on nock or urbit post or w/e < 1320718827 366920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's okay because: stanislav is an idiot! < 1320718839 470251 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nock? urbit? < 1320718858 394811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/nock-maxwells-equations-of-software.html < 1320718859 98966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html < 1320718860 227541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :read in order < 1320719298 960326 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Nock, I don't quite get ^ < 1320719318 389754 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be meaningless when applied to a cell < 1320719332 782301 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or is that the point? < 1320719360 907397 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I see other things with similar stuff < 1320719367 446134 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to guess that that's the point < 1320719600 797971 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, haven't got my thinking brain in, that looks tricky < 1320719604 202993 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: The Urbit post doesn't actually require any understanding of Nock, FWIW < 1320719619 155869 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is now reading the Urbit post
< 1320719623 578963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never actually done the challenge, but might sometime < 1320719824 734836 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These C functions, or jets, will take noun arguments and produce noun results. In between, they can do whatever the heck they want - so long as they produce the same result as the actual Nock formula." < 1320719827 196844 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sounds familiar < 1320720029 618991 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On Mars, SIN is taken to an extreme. Logically, Urbit is a single broadcast network - a single big Ethernet wire. Everyone sees everyone else's packets. " < 1320720041 586521 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to complain about security, but that's stupid, if you want security, encrypt it < 1320720111 953184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody tell Sgeo|web how IP routers work. < 1320720142 25847 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least SIN forces people to realize it < 1320720404 593388 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Read the whole thing. Haskell fans, you'll know exactly where you can stick your monads." < 1320720405 352469 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1320720425 366798 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a distinction between monads in general and monadic I/O < 1320720439 471906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The guy is hardly an expert < 1320720441 990742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on Haskell) < 1320720460 856061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads and monadic IO are regularly conflated even by Haskellers < 1320720490 896456 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They are? < 1320720498 713716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not _good_ Haskellers. < 1320720502 322208 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monadic I/O isn't even fundamentally monadic in any way. < 1320720509 180118 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a convenience thing. < 1320720531 593538 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's trivial to find a tutorial written by someone good enough at Haskell to write real applications in it that talks about how monads are there to let you isolate IO side-effects. < 1320720532 747503 :CakeProphet!~eris@h104.33.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320720533 99390 :CakeProphet!~eris@h104.33.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1320720533 152155 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1320720571 895973 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well, *tutorials*, sure. < 1320720589 471109 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morgen comraderies < 1320720659 379641 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good IO to you. < 1320720661 211702 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean monad. < 1320721316 557743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: this is the particular stanislav remark I was directing you to: "Algebraic types and immutability: Yuck. Your Haskellian / type-theoretical mis-spent youth is showing. Actual computers contain rewritable storage and will likely always contain it. This is something to be celebrated, not a set of genitalia to be shamefully hidden behind a Christian fig leaf." < 1320721339 35707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he then proceeds to link to that stupid land of lisp comic whose own author happens to be a haskell fan :P < 1320721371 646363 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing someone say that data stores are monads < 1320721379 638200 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what that means precisely < 1320721531 508133 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" For instance, to write Urbit in Haskell, you would need a Haskell interpreter written in Haskell. " < 1320721543 29145 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does ghc-api etc. count as? < 1320721560 77224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not homoiconic at all, and practically irrelevant in context < 1320722079 338651 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to understand FRP
< 1320722135 990131 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP Buick "Pimpmobile" Skylark, bereaved from us by the unwavering yet abiding clutches of the sibling forces of time and entropy (and perhaps the recklessness of its owner). Though it met its end in the shrinking confines of a large industrial steel compactor, it will always be remembered as the glorious mechanical steed that it was, matched only by the unbridled power of 150 horses and maybe better cars. < 1320722212 585161 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Did Conal invent FRP? < 1320722217 977220 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1320722282 714924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: yes? why is this surprising < 1320722286 64697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FRP was invented by a HUMAN???" < 1320723584 512426 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be a terrible idea to try to make an FRP version of the AW stuff? < 1320723796 800917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1320723910 329314 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1320723920 888266 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't answer because I don't understand FRP < 1320723971 640076 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep! also because fitting existing C libs to FRP is painful. you would want reactive-banana, and that's way more suited to gui frameworks than network stuff < 1320724101 667183 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as the library can be hooked into any existing event-based framework " < 1320724234 63963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: yes, i have used reactive-banana, i am aware of how it functions < 1320724250 985624 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I didn't know you could put a where clause there < 1320724318 639001 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1320724369 86202 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/HeinrichApfelmus/reactive-banana/blob/master/reactive-banana-wx/src/Arithmetic.hs line 41 < 1320724429 54800 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a declaration < 1320724432 238959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :declarations have where clauses < 1320724452 290181 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I thought only top-level declarations could do that < 1320724689 693964 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is reactive-banana good in general? < 1320724694 534268 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just for hooking into existing stuff? < 1320724751 816594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is there but hooking into existing stuff < 1320724766 431259 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't live in a world where your library - opengl, sdl, gtk, whatever - uses frp, do you? < 1320724837 104091 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, addHandler is provided by reactive-banana < 1320724890 430366 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait, fromAddHandler < 1320724891 36600 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And newAddHandler < 1320724963 53555 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newAddHandler is not always needed, it is just a helper < 1320725000 6194 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not quite sure what it does, but I guess its type is IO (EventSource ())? < 1320725004 142402 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I found The Best Language Ever http://bondi.it.uts.edu.au/ < 1320725013 57550 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has more braces than lisp < 1320725049 898234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: read the example < 1320725073 511669 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am < 1320725094 457362 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, EventSource is application-defined < 1320725145 744844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: looks cool < 1320725207 629191 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow, fromAddHandler knows to take a ...so, fromAddHandler always takes a pair of AddHandler a, and a -> IO () < 1320725226 537715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, no < 1320725263 126975 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www-staff.it.uts.edu.au/~cbj/patterns/13012009/ found the bondi examples < 1320725267 849790 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :let cloud = Banks [Bank (Name "Cloud",Accountss [Accounts (AccountName "Qin",Balance 3333.00)],TermDepositss [TermDeposits (TdName "Cloud",MinDeposit 500,Period 1,Rate 3.25)])];; < 1320725297 589840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look unreasonable < 1320725331 579219 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no idea what <$ is
< 1320725332 846419 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t <$ < 1320725333 708036 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `<$' < 1320725336 73056 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<$) < 1320725336 956541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (f :: * -> *) b. (Functor f) => a -> f b -> f a < 1320725348 363928 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, that thing < 1320725354 971551 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($>) < 1320725355 833429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `$>' < 1320725360 177628 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo < 1320725430 158895 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mapAccum < 1320725430 967611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `mapAccum' < 1320725549 276398 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :roll :: () -> StdGen -> (Reels, StdGen) < 1320725551 67219 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, why < 1320725553 80247 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the () < 1320725630 232990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1320725678 657474 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/reactive-banana/0.4.3.0/doc/html/Reactive-Banana-Implementation.html this is a little clearer, tbh < 1320725743 231269 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/reactive-banana/0.4.3.0/doc/html/Reactive-Banana-Model.html when I stop being scared of the scary type, I think < 1320725765 568753 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :model is MUCH clearer < 1320725777 243980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me < 1320725794 641414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note how that omits < 1320725796 440385 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import qualified Reactive.Banana.PushIO as Implementation < 1320725798 293249 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: ^\ < 1320725856 986452 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.Implementation has an example though < 1320725858 488559 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1320725902 165176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :read Model. if you can't grok Model you will fail at the lower-level implementation of THE SAME API < 1320725945 313389 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reading
< 1320725960 880206 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems simple so far, and I finally understand Behavior and Event, I think < 1320726007 174313 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :behavior is a signal. Time -> a < 1320726020 193522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like audio, or mouse position < 1320726021 481146 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :....apply takes a function which itself changes over time? < 1320726035 151915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :event is a set of one-off occurrences < 1320726044 759693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a key being pressed < 1320726054 229800 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(Time,a)] < 1320726134 130325 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of things are Behavior f (a -> b)? An example? < 1320726188 50316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any behavior constructed with the provided functions that is function-valued < 1320726461 259797 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any such < 1320726472 203763 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for making constant values into behaviors < 1320726504 304215 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: see FRP class < 1320726559 726944 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, stepper, I guess? < 1320726613 833816 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ...no? < 1320726703 949311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYHING ENDING -> Behavior < 1320726705 236795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1320726743 653901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. stepper, accumB < 1320726751 155937 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two of those assume I have events that are functions < 1320726773 536518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so make them. sheesh < 1320726773 890291 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah yeah, bad use of "are") < 1320726973 413720 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, FRPs are Applicative < 1320727003 641211 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :....Not entirely sure if that really helps me < 1320727046 273822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1320727047 128128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1320727051 402805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :behaviors are < 1320727060 274678 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :frp is just "implementation of frp" < 1320727074 115234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a code organisation tool for model vs implementation < 1320727080 809552 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing semantic < 1320727168 3096 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ShShould I shy away from Discrete? < 1320727188 726191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1320727361 268501 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the Alternative/MonadPlus instance for Parsec follow the identity law? < 1320727384 918778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not left identity! < 1320727393 607061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it right < 1320727430 693965 :DCliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320727504 157662 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counter = accumulate ($) 0 (fmap (+1) eventUp `union` fmap (subtract 1) eventDown) < 1320727515 27969 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does fmapping onto an Event produce a Behavior? < 1320727525 276806 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it doesn't follow the right zero law; but some people (myself included) think the right zero law should not be one of them, and only the left zero law and monoid laws should apply. < 1320727546 614763 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, for MonadPlus. For Alternative, the left zero law is optional too.) < 1320727550 266133 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should look for accumulate in reactive-banana < 1320727555 288932 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't see it < 1320727576 559410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's that from < 1320727585 698441 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://apfelmus.nfshost.com/blog/2011/03/28-essence-frp.html < 1320727591 653732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that post is old < 1320727617 604870 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :api has changed < 1320727618 460229 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1320727629 373243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's accumB or sth < 1320727678 12109 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is an instance which I believe does follow the identity laws: instance Alternative IO where { empty = fail []; x <|> y = catch x $ \e -> modifyIOError (\z -> if z == userError [] then e else z) y; }; < 1320727749 831124 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It follows the left zero law, too; so you could make it MonadPlus as well if you do not care about the right zero law. < 1320727814 683164 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that the Gregorian calendar and Gregorian chant are both named after popes but they are two different popes? < 1320727844 917341 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think my instance follows the laws correctly? If not, please tell me what is wrong with it. < 1320727966 381575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: in the comments you can see accumukate < 1320727971 105331 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :become accumB < 1320728142 816186 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1320728354 708527 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4113207/frp-reactive-how-to-use-filtere is this the same package? < 1320728360 541651 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be the correct parameters to define the Ecclesiastical moon in Swiss Ephemeris? What would be the parameters to define artificial satellites? Are either of these possible? < 1320728373 890726 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1320728380 942490 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that No was not to you < 1320728399 752158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: see reative-banana tag < 1320728616 206289 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The parameters are: epoch of elements, equinox, mean anomaly at epoch, semi-axis, eccentricity, argument of perihelion, ascending node, inclination, and whether it orbits the Earth or the Sun. Any of these parameters can have T terms where T = (tjd - epoch) / 36525. For example, the intramercurian Vulcan uses: J1900,JDATE, 252.8987988 + 707550.7341 * T, 0.13744, 0.019, 322.212069+1670.056*T, 47.787931-1670.056*T, 7.5 < 1320728638 851801 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maybe I should see things in Behaviors and Events as "trapped" (bad terminology, I know), in an Applicative, and I use <$> and <*> the way I might with a monad < 1320728648 137077 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No do notation though < 1320728748 340053 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: A monad is really applicative too, but the way it is programmed in Haskell doesn't make it do that normally. < 1320728788 306270 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I know that monads are applicatives, but not all applicatives are monads < 1320729231 130263 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1320730439 802742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1320730442 145931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :durus, reveal your secrets < 1320730507 97269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Alternative < 1320730507 210530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Applicative f => Alternative f where < 1320730507 329319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : empty :: f a < 1320730507 381543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (<|>) :: f a -> f a -> f a < 1320730993 336023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION very briefly considers demanding Sgeo|web write his code for him.
< 1320731128 977617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: bondi looks very interesting. < 1320731139 86244 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit light on documentation.. < 1320731326 904684 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :demanding sgeo|web to write your code: a good idea???????? < 1320731484 8505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you might like my code, it will be a good code (once it writ) < 1320731500 251021 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oH??? < 1320731550 413559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes: a fully-ACID object persistence store with STM semantics < 1320731574 444933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr: write program with standard STM transactional semantics, get reliable, durable file-based storage < 1320731596 822343 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1320731601 488985 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :later: transparent operation on datasets larger than memory (perhaps), server support < 1320731657 257639 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: now, guess what language has an existing, industrial-strength, corporate-backed, open-source, performant ~5500 line implementation of all this already < 1320731660 835663 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(do not cheat; good luck guessing) < 1320731672 756036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, including full transactional STM semantics and server support) < 1320731677 688222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok not the larger-than-memory stuff but w/e) < 1320731742 553177 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too late, I cheated hours ago < 1320731749 528716 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by briefly looking at the chat back then < 1320731758 288771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: bad person < 1320731761 410645 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1320731772 537572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but seriously, who is gifted with all that knowledge and then forced to write python code :( < 1320731808 432748 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad people < 1320731813 517225 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1320731816 131960 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad people forced < 1320731823 16523 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel bad for whoever was forced < 1320731910 704754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://sprunge.us/NjEY < 1320731915 660595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the kind of thing i have to base my code on :P < 1320731969 971508 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1320731995 954209 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i;ve have to lots of python recently because schoole (ha) ha() < 1320732005 822318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: incidentally i'd like to just use acid-state but it has severe limitations for me :( < 1320732010 779485 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1320732018 35406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to declare the transactions on your data-type upfront < 1320732026 153636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can't remove them or anything, only add < 1320732028 739029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not compositional < 1320732050 50918 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the only way to fix that with acid-state's model would be if you could serialise functions < 1320732248 563872 :DCliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1320732260 400314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but yeah... hopefully it will be good??? < 1320732274 777840 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopeuflly < 1320732343 583011 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1320732363 119163 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320732398 406463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it would be nice if i could find a way to benefit from sharing... like, you don't want adding an element to a huge map to write out the huge map again in the transaction, you'd like to just write out the additional stuff and have a pointer back < 1320732400 395857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :will have to see < 1320732413 757131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be especially nice if i can do that for every structure, not rewriting each structure for this < 1320733041 508190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: gdtodntihgt monqey < 1320733053 699441 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodotnighte < 1320733054 353232 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goudnihgt < 1320733077 676824 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do: read acid-state's Log.hs and things, read durus, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz < 1320733080 948014 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1320733861 973809 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1320734080 327444 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the ring of sets normalizable? < 1320734210 378993 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1320734556 710336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1320734886 588722 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1320737075 524682 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320737619 749674 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1320738281 391679 :CraZzYboY90!~remiix90@ip-109-84-0-6.web.vodafone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1320738296 405974 :CraZzYboY90!~remiix90@ip-109-84-0-6.web.vodafone.de PART :#esoteric < 1320738583 118762 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol I crashed x < 1320739021 405353 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1320739947 504283 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320741221 745250 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1320742606 701789 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1320742711 100541 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-229-235.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320742711 449492 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-229-235.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1320742711 501955 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1320743145 672821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: BTW, Aero was off by default, it's smart about not turning it on on systems without good graphics. <-- nice < 1320743529 245234 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it only enables Aero if your WEI is 3 or more. < 1320743534 280857 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Windows Experience Index.) < 1320743559 128977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the global WEI or the graphics one? < 1320743565 438201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former doesn't really make sense < 1320743593 21772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all my desktop scores 2.5 due to a slow hdd for windows 7. The rest of the components score 7.5-7.8 < 1320743594 999459 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the base score. < 1320743599 771270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1320743608 348600 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not sure. < 1320743632 209725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember it areo was on or not after install. It is turned off now though, and with windows classic theme on < 1320743809 522847 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Windows-Experience-Index-Understand-and-improve-your-computers-performance-in-Windows-Vista "Base score: 3.0 to 3.9 .. Windows Aero will typically be enabled automatically on the computer." < 1320743833 366821 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might well have changed the logic on seven, though. < 1320743855 654548 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, the scores themselves go up to eleven^W7.9 now. < 1320743887 615542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what was the old max value? < 1320743961 547276 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.9 in Vista. < 1320743976 868254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange they didn't make it an even 6.0 < 1320743992 561870 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also starts at 1.0 and not zero. < 1320743996 255062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1320745287 892598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1320745536 117502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320745841 155128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1320745847 154678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320746233 20808 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell if I'm well-rested or tired. < 1320746249 651361 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 6 WHOLE HOURS OF SLEEP in a row so I should be way more rested than usual. < 1320746266 460854 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I feel like dog shit. This is probably because I only got 6 hours of sleep still. < 1320746367 324746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1320746384 952563 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a zombie.
< 1320746425 744785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't slept well either. And I have to drive today. < 1320746427 618813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1320746435 999284 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh did I mentioned that a deer hit my car. Yes, that car I just bought to replace my old car not too long ago. < 1320746445 282417 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's always fun. Driving on no sleep is great. < 1320746450 971554 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :an adventure! < 1320746458 535701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I slept some, just not as much as I would want to < 1320746463 795329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 6 hours instead of 8 < 1320746540 51253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: besides I will be picking up another guy on the way to university, since we live in the same town and study the same stuff at university we usually travel together to save money. < 1320746546 849293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it is my parents car < 1320746552 290391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :parents' < 1320746670 959714 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun. < 1320746684 372366 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a speeding ticket in my parent's car when I was borrowing it to drive when I didn't have a car. < 1320746694 769055 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few weeks ago. < 1320746712 53761 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, lately I've been doing that 4-hour nap thing. < 1320746716 173631 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, not voluntarily < 1320746736 202680 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just happens that I'll go to bed at like 10 AM and wake up at 2 AM unable to go back to sleep until the sun comes up < 1320746828 866349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I doubt I will get a speeding ticket. < 1320746836 628732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never had problems keeping the right speed < 1320746891 889040 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one bit of recent misfortune I could have prevented, I suppose. < 1320746948 927095 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides it is a Fiat (though a large station wagon one), so not exactly a fast car anyway. And although there is no automatic speed thingy, the terrain is kind of hilly so you need to adjust speed all the time anyway, hard to forget about speed then. < 1320747117 2799 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's usually not that I forget speed it's just that I don't consider the same speeds to be fast that other people seem to < 1320747131 955665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1320747139 175372 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are mountainous roads where I live and I still drive like a madman. :P < 1320747140 884727 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it say on the sign what the speed limit is < 1320747145 370597 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes. < 1320747151 256011 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's beside the point. :P < 1320747156 682006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have a speed indicator in the car? < 1320747159 627267 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1320747163 550961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what is the issue < 1320747176 955674 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well see... < 1320747182 701529 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is just an American thing, but < 1320747200 167416 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people intentionally break the law by driving fast because they think the speed limits are ridiculous. < 1320747218 950260 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am one such person. < 1320747224 93322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway hardly mountainous roads here, just slightly hilly. I live on a plain, it is just that the road goes over the few hills that exist. < 1320747237 614627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that is rarer in Europe < 1320747243 571805 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've noticed. < 1320747249 679961 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in previous speed limit conversations. < 1320747251 855870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: beside you could lose your driving license from that if you go too fast. < 1320747254 68404 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Europeans. < 1320747260 19012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1320747270 645386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: don't you have speed cameras in US? < 1320747286 78542 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not many. I've seen maybe one or two in my lifetime. < 1320747301 256046 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're easy to spot and slow down for, hardly something to make me paranoid all the time. < 1320747305 865986 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a few here < 1320747309 912053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are mobile ones too < 1320747322 965663 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I know the speed traps along my commonly taken routes, so I know when to slow down. < 1320747324 173245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, mounted on a trailer, that they park somewhere for a day < 1320747328 431986 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can pretty much drive as fast as I want otherwise. < 1320747364 814393 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :most American drivers on the highway are in fact speeding much of the time. < 1320747382 202290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1320747393 654349 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm one of those insane people that are driving faster than the "normal" speeders. < 1320747398 467953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1320747404 362620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :irresponsible < 1320747425 192206 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have have to get an insane number of speeding tickets to lose my license, but yes I suppose. < 1320747434 202630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: anyway, where you speeding when you hit that deer? < 1320747440 798731 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not chalking up my speeding ticket to mere bad luck. < 1320747448 448229 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, though I would say it was more like the deer hit me. < 1320747458 164860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you have been able to stop if you had not been speeding? < 1320747461 84257 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically crashed itself into the side of my car. I didn't even see except for in the corner of my eye. < 1320747474 396176 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a split second thing really. nothing I could do. < 1320747482 183435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not when speeding indeed < 1320747492 90928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe you should try keeping to the speed on the signs < 1320747493 532441 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at any speed. >_> < 1320747509 591602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh did I mentioned that a deer hit my car. Yes, that car I just bought to replace my old car not too long ago. <-- what happened to the previous car? < 1320747510 982354 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could have been going 25 mph and the same thing would happen. < 1320747529 787569 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it got old. < 1320747531 856941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1320747536 109605 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engine started knocking. < 1320747548 663159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: anyway you have to keep real life and GTA separate :P < 1320747556 524559 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :believe me I do. < 1320747567 471329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't sound like it < 1320747598 392319 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, Europeans are all strict on their speed limit stuff it seems. :P < 1320747639 543223 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an incredibly minor thing. I drive reasonable speeds when appropriate. Such as in traffic. < 1320747670 873183 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to say that I should follow a flat rate of speed as posted by a sign is ridiculous, in my opinion. < 1320747694 230079 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you have to drive slower sometimes. I never claimed otherwise < 1320747699 801261 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that should be the upper limit < 1320747717 681445 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when the people setting up those signs generate large amounts of revenue from people going faster than said number on sign. < 1320747745 515209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I wouldn't drive 70 km/h on a road marked 70 km/h if the condition of the road, visibility and other traffic didn't allow that in a safe way. < 1320747783 269002 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: wait what? Please don't tell me that speed limits is done by for-profit corporations in US.... < 1320747795 664236 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :local government. < 1320747810 848146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, crazy state system in US < 1320747813 435625 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though a number of private businesses can benefit. < 1320747829 387568 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example there are online ticket paying services. < 1320747832 249161 :ghost_!~ghost@196.212.154.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320747837 769612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1320747839 521399 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :who make money from setting up their services for local governments. < 1320747842 960711 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like that. < 1320747847 149316 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d932d0d6.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320747860 698201 :ghost_!~ghost@196.212.154.235 QUIT :Client Quit < 1320747869 570904 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in my mind speed limits are just a way to take money from me. I suppose I've been doing a good job of allowing them to do that, since I ignore them. :P < 1320747882 421485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... you are insane < 1320747900 365514 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no need to state the obvious. < 1320747983 57992 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has generally never thought of himself nor intended to ever be a law-abiding citizen.
< 1320747999 126661 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d932d0d6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cakeprophez.state=insane; //consider it noted < 1320748201 671316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl, university < 1320749745 883781 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1320752445 399103 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320752500 446813 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1320752756 910615 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320752770 305883 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-221-94.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1320753663 286625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1320753675 244154 :ais523!~ais523@147.188.254.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320753675 363077 :ais523!~ais523@147.188.254.189 QUIT :Changing host < 1320753675 415297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320753736 802885 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src forever < 1320753737 72213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You untyped fool! < 1320754008 13770 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sequence$[[1,2,3],[4,5,6]] < 1320754008 835108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,4],[1,5],[1,6],[2,4],[2,5],[2,6],[3,4],[3,5],[3,6]] < 1320754866 92533 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320755412 350841 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the $? < 1320756001 196019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1320756066 261546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320756097 144834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: the council here in Birmingham is actually cracking down on private parking enforcer people < 1320756109 933194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them are acting vaguely dubiously < 1320756436 607975 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Private parking tickets have been a very contentious issue here in Finland too for a while now. < 1320756455 880735 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that a court did sort-of legitimize them quasi-recently though, much to the disappointment of some/many. < 1320756485 999028 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they had given a parked-on-the-grass-because-answering-an-emergency ambulance a parking ticket or something like that. < 1320756811 916538 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right; the district court and the court of appeal both said private companies just plain aren't allowed to write parking tickets, but in June this year the supreme court reversed their decisions and said it's okay. < 1320756909 162885 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though the... uh, committee for constitutional law, has stated that according to them private parking-enforcement is unconstitutional.) < 1320757170 568417 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also another funny story: one parking enforcement company (Parkki Oy) apparently had ticketed the car of another; then the other company sent the first one a 350 eur "clean-up" bill because their car had a sticker saying you're not allowed to attach/leave any material (like ads or whatever) to it. < 1320757448 315057 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good to hear this story here, I've been too lazy to follow the discussion :) < 1320757475 910618 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been too don't-have-a-car to follow it. < 1320757491 843299 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though apparently they've been leaving parking tickets to bicycles too. < 1320757512 133801 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that that's exactly enforceable, what with no license plates or anything. < 1320757549 887602 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The companies in question seem to be just a slight bit overly profit-oriented.) < 1320757834 937079 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320757936 980395 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I find it's best not ask any questions of Madoka-Kaname concerning what the hell they're doing with lambdabot. < 1320757949 324402 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I private parking tickets = the most absurd thing I've ever heard of. < 1320757974 616641 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION actually still has an unpaid parking ticket from the police department on his campus.
< 1320758086 642501 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I < 1320758137 242377 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can figure out, the current status in Finland is that they can write tickets, but they can't force the owner of the car to pay them if e says someone else was driving, so they'd have to go to court, which they haven't so far done with anyone; on the other hand, there's also a law initiative thingie to explicitly legalize private parking enforcement, but it's not law yet. < 1320758230 740824 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case of campus parking tickets they can simply put a hold on my account. < 1320758252 531606 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it impossible to do important things like fix financial aid, register for classes, and ultimately graduate. < 1320758272 958909 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :until I give them $25 for not having a little sticker on my car. :) < 1320758302 146648 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so absurd. < 1320758646 619539 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle String -> String -> String < 1320758646 736474 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.FilePath.Windows (<.>) :: FilePath -> String -> FilePath < 1320758646 865747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.FilePath.Posix (<.>) :: FilePath -> String -> FilePath < 1320758646 971654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.FilePath.Windows addExtension :: FilePath -> String -> FilePath < 1320758705 162623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: there was a case found recently where a carpark had rigged its pay-and-display ticket machines to deliberately miscount the money put into them < 1320758724 391144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they clamped cars which stayed longer than the amount actually printed on the ticket, and charged ridiculous amounts to unclamp them again < 1320758823 275843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's vaguely interesting that they got caught, actually < 1320758892 934223 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords $ map shows [1,2] ++ map (++) ["red", "blue"] <*> [" fish"] < 1320758894 372528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1 fish 2 fish red fish blue fish" < 1320758906 522227 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would think they stick out like a sore thumb if they're charging ridiculous amounts. < 1320758917 909766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the unclamping? no, they all do that < 1320758932 270427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's being clamped down on too < 1320758939 723836 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. ha. ha < 1320758941 670776 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1320758951 986217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not deliberate, but I noticed it before I pressed return < 1320758957 456032 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intercalate ", " $ map shows [1,2] ++ map (++) ["red", "blue"] <*> [" fish"] < 1320758958 976535 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1 fish, 2 fish, red fish, blue fish" < 1320759077 65867 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the purpose of shows again? < 1320759099 474601 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, I mean, obviously I know what it does but what is the benefit of it over using ++ explicitly. < 1320759459 518477 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (Applicative f) => f (a -> b) -> f a -> b < 1320759460 896261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative (<*>) :: Applicative f => f (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1320759461 14339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative (<**>) :: Applicative f => f a -> f (a -> b) -> f b < 1320759461 66721 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative liftA :: Applicative f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1320759501 442201 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: < 1320759508 447434 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 0 = ""; f n = f (n-1) ++ show n in take 5 $ f 500000 < 1320759508 566715 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"12345" < 1320759508 621457 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4.61 secs, 478035512 bytes) < 1320759508 621630 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 0 = id; f n = f (n-1) . shows n in take 5 $ f 500000 "" < 1320759508 621734 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"12345" < 1320759510 610131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: stack overflow < 1320759510 845343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "12345" < 1320759510 963472 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0.64 secs, 215319872 bytes) < 1320759556 813201 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1320759616 222219 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be fair to say that shows is similar to CPS?? < 1320759722 515842 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (. shows n) id "" < 1320759723 386741 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Types.Char] -> t' < 1320759723 504350 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferr... < 1320759732 849359 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t iterate < 1320759734 993617 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> a) -> a -> [a] < 1320759757 398740 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, nevermind :P < 1320759943 57176 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1320759947 247526 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320760410 823298 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood < 1320760777 529129 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1320762504 917254 :Guanxin!~guanxin@117.136.30.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320762526 113010 :Guanxin!~guanxin@117.136.30.88 PART :#esoteric < 1320762874 924947 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1320762908 155532 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1320762929 2530 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1320764635 57270 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1320765500 6653 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found some things about new version of Microsoft Excel. If you enter a text into a cell that starts with "A1-" then it will be formatted as an Islamic date (even in the English version). There is also a BAHTTEXT function which converts a number to Thai text and adds "Baht" suffix. There is no function for English numbers text. Apparently they added that feature for the purpose of ordering Thai food. < 1320766092 412162 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1320766323 557601 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia, "Baht" is the Thai currency. So it doesn't seem to make sense to use that for ordering Thai food within the United States. < 1320766757 19766 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1320767014 291391 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's been suggested (by an anonymous Excel MVP) that the Excel programmers enjoy Thai food, and they created this function to facilitate email orders to Redmond Thai restaurants. This theory has not yet been confirmed -- but then again it hasn't been denied either." < 1320767655 925741 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually from what I can find, the real reason seems to be that it was included in older Thai versions of Excel, but the new version includes all the functions including non-English functions. < 1320767851 625752 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to run Sakura MML compiler to MIDI, but I get error message about ConvToHalfSign1. < 1320767996 544193 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, all menus are completely unreadable; they have only question marks on them. < 1320768066 477519 :chickenzilla!~zack@olol.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1320768070 995380 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is for Japanese system only? < 1320768071 498705 :chickenzilla!~zack@olol.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1320768263 901026 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: forall f g xs. map f (map g xs) = map (f.g) xs < 1320768264 940000 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.channel4.com/programmes/spaced/4od < 1320768265 416240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1320768266 19736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god. < 1320768267 412702 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god. < 1320768269 880804 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this rewrite rule used by default in GHC? < 1320768272 723103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it never comes back up. < 1320768278 251697 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the corresponding filter rule? < 1320768279 652524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if they've taken it down for good. < 1320768307 23609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S JUST LIKE THE LAST EPISODE OF SPACED < 1320768354 392817 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320769001 421181 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if such rewrite rule is used by default < 1320769008 957061 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1320769385 43152 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah just read about "list fusion" < 1320769398 32877 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that uses rewrite rules to remove intermediate lists between some common list functions. < 1320769538 841279 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :{-# RULES < 1320769539 843000 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"++" [~1] forall xs ys. xs ++ ys = augment (\c n -> foldr c n xs) ys #-} < 1320769548 249711 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the rewrite ruke for ++ < 1320769553 883838 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rule < 1320769565 524715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1320769623 488118 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the map rewrite rules are quite clever. < 1320770022 612578 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey, how are you? < 1320770039 36313 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoyed at tswett for stealing ais523's challenge to me :) < 1320770050 810649 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did? < 1320770055 141601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see a-d < 1320770080 984023 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where am I seeing a-d? < 1320770103 126202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: it's a reference to the nomic Agora < 1320770105 966094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://agoranomic.org < 1320770110 491135 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1320770111 943544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a suspicion it might be Turing-complete < 1320770112 816169 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: duh. :P < 1320770124 652928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I challenged elliott to try to prove it, as e had proven for believed-state-of B Nomic < 1320770129 395127 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That big scary nomic < 1320770134 553099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I did? wow < 1320770143 961804 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: it's not scary, there's like 6 active players and nothing's happening < 1320770144 510852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you write a some-language-to-B compiler? < 1320770149 661196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, hmm, I do recall that < 1320770155 49730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's coming out of a slump atm < 1320770157 368826 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the big scary nomic? < 1320770160 268618 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when i used to be cool :) < 1320770168 518167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: none, nomics aren't popular enough to be big and scary < 1320770173 827505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Agora is often called scary, but it isn't really < 1320770174 305306 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blognomic players think agora is scary because they're silly < 1320770176 571053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least shouldn't be < 1320770183 550139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :agora is also very slow unlike blognomic :P < 1320770185 556283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people see the numbers on the ruleset and get scared < 1320770192 441732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i had a dream where blognomic died because i went idle, btw < 1320770207 349204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a weird dream < 1320770215 751742 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how LibreOffice autocorrecst naive to naïve and then highlights it as a spelling error. < 1320770227 153631 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a recommendation of naive. < 1320770240 321424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's surprising is that they actually took it seriously, and moved to another game, which was hosted on something almost like a google group, but defying all logic < 1320770251 15951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: heh < 1320770277 322475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't google groups defy most logic anyway? < 1320770278 775796 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream that I could administer a nomic < 1320770284 573152 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it all went horribly wrong < 1320770287 738540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's only a bit remaining left to defy < 1320770288 758428 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was that real life? < 1320770291 939677 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you haven't seen my dream programs < 1320770299 405660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, probably nor has anyone else < 1320770300 599334 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a dream I was playing awesome pen and paper RPGs < 1320770308 708545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have < 1320770310 170270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see them visually? or do you just dream they're there? < 1320770313 185658 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1320770324 266815 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I dream that I have friends who like them and play them. < 1320770342 225579 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I wake up to the painful sting of reality. < 1320770342 579912 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see them visually in a dream! < 1320770370 901408 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought I autotabbed, but I really just typed "Cake" < 1320770390 320572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does blognomic usually spend entire dynasties constantly making proposals and never actually using them? < 1320770396 376164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: often when I'm dreaming, I don't see things as images unless I concentrate on what they look like < 1320770397 942372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1320770405 786790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally, no more than two and a half rules, on average, will actually be releant < 1320770416 992584 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I won't bother deidling < 1320770418 980509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others will be used once and then forgotten < 1320770431 144194 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad category: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Games_of_nomic < 1320770453 744837 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, and after i found out blognomic died, i realised it was another victory for agora :) < 1320770470 978739 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the perfect military strategy: annoy your opponent until you both get bored; the opponent dies weeks later < 1320770471 335855 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :releant? deidling? what is going on in this conversation. < 1320770484 293882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*relevant < 1320770491 82684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and deidling is the opposite of idling < 1320770494 146376 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooh :> < 1320770497 786430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, starting to do something, rather than starting to do nothing < 1320770503 992094 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well I got what releant was. < 1320770505 83886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I fly around in a spaceship :> < 1320770510 19596 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but deidling did not look like de-idling. < 1320770525 38967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't, CakeProphet has ruined that smiley :'( < 1320770533 930342 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about it's awesome. :) < 1320770538 702267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i even told him about ESO's official copyright claim to it! but no. < 1320770544 47066 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the most obnoxious emoticon ever. < 1320770641 654818 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't get your emoticons mixed up with your peoplethoughts. It's not a very fertile mindset. < 1320770644 77055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:20:39: it's an incredibly minor thing. I drive reasonable speeds when appropriate. Such as in traffic. < 1320770644 195099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:21:10: to say that I should follow a flat rate of speed as posted by a sign is ridiculous, in my opinion. < 1320770644 248224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I get it: Americans are equipped with a psychic ability to tell whether there's other cars on the road they're on or not < 1320770663 875429 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, just mirrors and stuff. < 1320770680 679130 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I drive a lot at night, in a small town. < 1320770685 118768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! so then you have infinitely fast reflexes when a car comes into view. ok < 1320770690 243076 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no I'm not infallible. :P < 1320770720 118526 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Americans treat cars as we treat pedestrians, by and large. < 1320770724 972257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: hmm, maybe we should institute some sort of maximum speed you can drive at on the roads, so that for the occasional case where a car does come in when you're not expecting it, your lack of fallibility doesn't lead to accidents or death... hmmmmmm... < 1320770731 131991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fall/infall/ < 1320770738 66578 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: heh < 1320770832 242331 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: better solution: be American and therefore the best drivers in the world. < 1320770846 507394 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, Icelanders are better < 1320770862 843433 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you read your Scandinavia and the World? < 1320770878 993213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:23:03: CakeProphet: wait what? Please don't tell me that speed limits is done by for-profit corporations in US.... < 1320770879 45754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:23:15: local government. < 1320770879 154080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:23:30: right, crazy state system in US < 1320770892 270848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's not crazy when you have that much populated landmass < 1320770902 481925 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also local as in city government usually. < 1320770904 104206 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not states. < 1320770913 923328 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on the road probably. < 1320770934 737008 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no I think it's completely local except for interstate highways. < 1320770947 789836 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because speed limit changes between jurisdictions I find. < 1320770952 568626 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :even on some highways. < 1320770967 271197 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though interstate highways tend to be fairly consistent for the most part. < 1320770992 484052 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:59:30: Also another funny story: one parking enforcement company (Parkki Oy) apparently had ticketed the car of another; then the other company sent the first one a 350 eur "clean-up" bill because their car had a sticker saying you're not allowed to attach/leave any material (like ads or whatever) to it. < 1320770994 904830 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finland :') < 1320771010 650996 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, good luck trying to administrate every minute detail of American society from Washington DC. < 1320771013 360348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... you can do that in Finland? < 1320771049 344825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :Iambdabot < 1320771070 841822 :Iambdabot!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hi" < 1320771071 824389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi" < 1320771082 707243 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yam be da bot? < 1320771091 290623 :Iambdabot!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Madoka-Kaname Stop fucking with me already! < 1320771091 463511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1320771094 310740 :Iambdabot!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1320771095 554712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: it's not crazy when you have that much populated landmass <-- indeed, but some of the stuff that is local govt in US should probably be federal IMO. < 1320771098 165185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1320771111 747741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: probably more the other way around. < 1320771140 438872 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's a popular sentiment in the US. < 1320771152 477137 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :more with conservatives but not exclusively. < 1320771164 475908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no libertarian :) < 1320771195 259784 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently everyone in the Us is a libertarian. < 1320771201 288656 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :provided they know what it is. < 1320771212 979785 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gross exaggeration) < 1320771245 371183 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm I think I've got my first Skype spam. < 1320771261 323659 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NOTIFICATION URGENT ALERT is calling you" < 1320771275 455490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you use chrome/chromium right? < 1320771279 923928 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I didn't realise that exists, CakeProphet < 1320771280 949146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1320771293 344523 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I was oblivious as well. < 1320771301 72637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is there a way to make chrome and/or chromium save open tabs when you close it, and restore them when you open it. < 1320771310 352343 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-62.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1320771310 818327 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-62.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1320771310 870692 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1320771318 146891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. it's on the first page of preferences. did you check? < 1320771335 551424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I did, I somehow missed it. Beats me why it isn't default though... < 1320771356 676939 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of annoying since i use sleep as tab gc :) < 1320771356 730209 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, that feature reeeeaaally annoys me < 1320771361 476980 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like how that is still somehow one of the reasons people prefer Firefox over Chrome, even though they both support it. < 1320771365 13602 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I close browsers to clear my mind < 1320771369 286321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1320771383 302217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still have it on though, to recover from accidental closes < 1320771384 835046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I just let them pile up until the browser gets sluggish, then I gc. < 1320771387 22773 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1320771398 629017 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's how I escape TVTropes < 1320771401 447088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: good luck with that, chromium takes about ten windows filled with tabs to get sluggish ime < 1320771411 87295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's on this puny machine < 1320771411 925700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't work well on my new computer though, it takes ages for firefox to get sluggish now < 1320771424 537405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, on my old computer 70 tabs was about it, now it is more like 700 < 1320771430 49967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in firefox) < 1320771457 503405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd disable reopening tabs on startup if the history was better. < 1320771476 829263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my history to track which tabsets in which windows I had open at each given moment, and be able to answer questions like "what tab did I click a link in to open this other tab?". < 1320771483 164902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw I have to say that modern firefox are way less of memory hogs. < 1320771493 859209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox versions* < 1320771496 857763 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :History was accurate when browsing was one tab in one window, but that hasn't been the case for years now. < 1320771525 472100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: depends on what sort of history. The "you opened this page this day" kind of history still works, doesn't it? < 1320771535 547846 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you noticed that sometimes chrome doesn't preserve google-searches-from-"omnibar" in history sometimes? < 1320771539 631510 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes? < 1320771551 913160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: dunno < 1320771573 305662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, it records all pages you opened. here's another kind of history that also preserves that: an unordered set of pagse < 1320771574 427726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pages < 1320771576 624472 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, and now for some reason I can't get it to do that. < 1320771587 33719 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the point is, since tabs have become commonplace, history is now throwing away a lot of relevant information < 1320771601 26720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm...? < 1320771609 378959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what more is there than timestamp? < 1320771609 740301 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what < 1320771621 302367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ok, history records the state of the browser < 1320771625 216785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in varying degrees < 1320771626 944081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :throughout time < 1320771628 491972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1320771633 115821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :degree 0: set of urls, no time information < 1320771637 673854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1320771638 159885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :degree 1: ordered set of urls with timestamp information < 1320771643 338294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1320771655 497865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :degree 2: ordered set of urls with timestamp /and tab layout/ information < 1320771659 608049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1320771669 641710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :degree 3: ordered set of urls with timestamp /and tab layout/ information, plus tracks tab parentage (open link in new tab -> current tab becomes parent of created tab) < 1320771678 943964 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, degree 3 would actually be really useful for me < 1320771843 982573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1320771904 468474 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320772033 209320 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should write still one round of assignments.... :/ < 1320772050 277249 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also instead of maintaining only a linear sequence of history for each tab it should be a multiway tree. :) so you can move forward, back, left, and right. < 1320772050 404015 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid not many will care to do them. < 1320772059 547054 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-62.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1320772059 979048 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-62.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1320772060 31482 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1320772075 237485 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is guilty, I only did half of them
< 1320772083 411239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bad person
< 1320772091 422260 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tabs are unnecessary, if you have w3m-style history < 1320772095 468886 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even clicked the link. < 1320772144 664620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what does w3m history look like? < 1320772154 585205 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've wanted a unified history-tab system for aaages < 1320772154 705091 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: no dupdog assignments? :P < 1320772174 124642 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"prove that dupdog is not Turing complete" would be a good assignment < 1320772200 113213 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: w3m stores all history (also future history) until you explicitly throw it out < 1320772218 128150 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you enter a new page, the page is added in history right above the page you came from. < 1320772219 64062 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Future history? < 1320772226 290322 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: when you go back I assume < 1320772229 946802 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah < 1320772234 347949 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it creates "future" history. < 1320772238 455295 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: those pages where you've been but "back"-ed from. < 1320772275 374559 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1320772313 984969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Meh, that doesn't store any hierarchy of recency information. :/ < 1320772321 316427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, where does it move the history entry if you open a page from history?) < 1320772324 239135 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I can look into that. But I was thinking about making the next assignments in language design, not use. < 1320772361 25674 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: how about proofs instead! < 1320772371 780148 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the new pages are always added to the part of the history list where you currently are < 1320772378 716977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1320772385 289368 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I suppose the problem would be "prove that dupdog is or is not Turing complete" < 1320772385 449175 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: there were some proof assignments already < 1320772414 671997 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: basically, w3m history could be augmented with link paths and recency lists, but I don't know if it improves it any < 1320772427 368609 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would Hiafu be a compiled language? < 1320772445 422286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: well, I need something along those lines, so that I can switch between currently-relevant pages without the hundreds of pages I opened in the meanwhile being in the way < 1320772449 135122 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-148.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320772450 211669 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:13 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Information on kallisti (account kallisti): < 1320772457 972712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my web browsing strategy is not exactly conventional. < 1320772460 475628 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or productive. < 1320772461 940858 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:13 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last seen : Mar 13 01:25:08 2011 (34 weeks, 2 days, 15:48:07 ago) < 1320772467 780408 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long does it take for nicks to expire? < 1320772471 463510 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants that one.
< 1320772472 82080 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, tiffany < 1320772489 641342 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I sometimes specifically throw out cruft history in w3m in order to have a nice, clean history :) < 1320772493 465789 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-148.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hai < 1320772496 842918 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: /j #freenode, /nick kallisti, ask for it to be dropped < 1320772501 383708 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howare you? < 1320772503 263428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: that's revisionism :'( < 1320772510 862305 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no I think this is a trait common to some people. programmers especially. < 1320772511 394350 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wa/w a/ < 1320772518 540445 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that kind of web browsing "strategy") < 1320772531 390711 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-148.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cakeprophet, this one was inactive for 2 years and I went to #freenode and it took them like a month to finally drop it for me :s < 1320772536 924805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: most people say "oh i have SO MANY TABS" to mean enough tabs that you can't see the titles on one window < 1320772544 383570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean enough tabs that you can't see the titles in ten irregularly-sized windows < 1320772546 464893 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: basically, you could have a "history trashcan" for history that you haven't used for a long time :) < 1320772549 27455 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would ~ATH count as an esoteric programming language? < 1320772565 320866 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, only a joke language < 1320772579 404064 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :apocalypse oriented programming. < 1320772605 507792 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I make an article for it? < 1320772608 544203 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the wiki? < 1320772610 934048 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh did I mention Act 6 is going to be amazing? < 1320772623 426791 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, now that I actually understand what is going on. < 1320772627 916035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: probably, but it wouldn't be very interesting, and nobody else would ever edit it :) < 1320772649 250617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should probably just link to the wikia article on it, if you /really/ want to. < 1320772656 541944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, hmm < 1320772664 38286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can work on my fun code or my easy code < 1320772667 230887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy code! < 1320772676 405934 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fun code is fun < 1320772683 837760 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so you just leave tabs open so that your feeble monkey brain can revist them later to remember what the fuck you were doing? < 1320772687 505174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but hard < 1320772694 996076 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard is fun when it's fun < 1320772699 918423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: no, i just leave tabs open because why would i close a tab < 1320772706 257924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ok then you write it for me if it's so fun < 1320772712 762215 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but code is never fun :( < 1320772721 712200 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to sanely navigate a set of tasks at once. < 1320772722 943612 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1320772723 400114 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION always has excessive amounts of tabs open
< 1320772738 274524 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to prune my tabs these days. < 1320772770 287242 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a workspace sort of system would be nice. basically tabsets instead of multiple windows. < 1320772779 86308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: itt: firefox tab groups < 1320772781 407765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they suck) < 1320772785 266223 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a bonsai browser. < 1320772789 296936 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-148.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320772791 577196 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prune it often and keep it small < 1320772791 958664 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it any good < 1320772793 413737 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: never used those, but I doubt it's what I want. < 1320772806 625531 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it looks like a full-sized browzer < 1320772866 521274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:04:23: zzo38: forall f g xs. map f (map g xs) = map (f.g) xs < 1320772866 639138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:04:29: is this rewrite rule used by default in GHC? < 1320772870 854916 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: see RULES pragmas in base source < 1320772897 557020 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: already did. logread moar nub. < 1320772914 869599 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually just look at the first thing I say when you join. < 1320773106 245119 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-148.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320773115 54039 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hobby: patronizing people via ancient internet protocols. < 1320773127 477124 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good hobey < 1320773173 606244 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if IRC will be in Ancient History of PRogramming classes, 2000 years in the future. < 1320773192 755407 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a terrible class that would be. < 1320773233 266833 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, according to the Internet Jargon File, Tim Berners-Lee, a member of the Equites class, created the Internet < 1320773248 465106 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that probably won't happen as we'll be part of the singularity hivemind and thus have infinite access to all accumulated human knowledge. < 1320773266 571480 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im future envy < 1320773309 349744 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :another possible scenario: breakdown of civilization, end of human existence, long distances of space travel rendering an all-encompassing singularity impossible, etc, etc, etc, etc. < 1320773312 329302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: or society has collapsed. < 1320773313 421614 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :man predicting the future is fun. < 1320773333 166894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :snap < 1320773401 978538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I don't think you can make any reasonable prediction about that topic further into the future than 10-15 years. < 1320773426 692572 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go on the safe side and say 10 years. < 1320773445 428259 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :5-10 < 1320773462 84049 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you know, 1-10 < 1320773516 756987 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :man future speculation was so much easier when it was just about spaceships, lasers, and flying cars. < 1320773523 410803 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I predict that the Singularity will occur the day before Kurzweil would otherwise have died. < 1320773524 289398 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we're getting into freaky shit. < 1320773532 300585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Joke shamelessly stolen from elliott.) < 1320773546 78831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course, there could always be a meteor, nearby supernova or other rare catastrophic event, sure. But climate change probably haven't caused civilization to collapse in the next 15 years. Nor does singularity in that time frame seem likely. < 1320773555 557241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm gonna feel really bad for the guy if it hits us the day after Kurzweil dies. < 1320773576 459530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'd be so busy laughing I'd be written off as a sociopath. < 1320773592 122880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's OK, those thoughts would be extracted from your head before they actually happen. < 1320773594 481450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nearby supernovae are fairly unlikely, IIRC. < 1320773618 219515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: isn't there one possible candidate that could fry us in gamma iirc? < 1320773621 772088 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: america god bless neutrino < 1320773648 230248 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do I have any reason for choosing one of reactive-banana or Yampa over the other? < 1320773649 758415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, a GRB, which is a fair deal less well-understood than a supernova, making predictions hard. < 1320773660 620108 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possibly replacing Yampa with that fork, Animas I think) < 1320773663 354199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sorry, but what is a GRB? < 1320773689 265611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: use reactive-banana < 1320773696 4258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: but don't, if you're trying to do AW stuff < 1320773698 279262 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder to what degree standardization lockdown (is there an actual term for that?) will slow down technological progress. < 1320773698 331666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gamma ray burst; an extremely bright, highly directional burst of gamma rays. < 1320773705 13166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I thought those were caused by supernovas? < 1320773722 957380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: nobody cares about standards < 1320773736 890910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: err. USB? < 1320773741 619671 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well I suppose they get revised pretty drastically over the years. < 1320773742 455988 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two kinds of them based on spectral data, and one of those is hypothesised to be caused by a certain class of supernova. < 1320773744 483303 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case. < 1320773760 312621 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, nothing wrong with making a normal monadic IO library for AW, then using reactive-banana on top of that, right? < 1320773760 560975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ah < 1320773767 943329 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: people regularly violate power specs for usb i believe < 1320773771 744040 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but will we be using HTTP like 100 years from now? < 1320773781 266494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh, so why does stuff not get fried? < 1320773799 213945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: you will find that frp does not help you at all here, at least not in current forms. but certainly, you will waste your time regardless of what i say, so have fun... < 1320773809 595424 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess I was referring more to protocols and specs than "standards", or were we talking about the same thing? < 1320773809 829267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because computer manufacturers don't care about the specs either? < 1320773813 131315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1320773833 173829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so you mean devices request more than 500 mA? < 1320773835 414346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1320773846 128096 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, i just recall stuff violating the power stuff < 1320773869 328764 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how garbage collection works in elliotts brain < 1320773873 326388 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace concepts with stuffs. < 1320773898 191233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff stuff stuff < 1320773957 287041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: quite a broken algorithm there. Since obviously this thing was still reachable < 1320774044 635293 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, devices draw more than allowed by default without actually asking < 1320774055 537472 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well the rules still remain but more specific references are replaced by stuff. < 1320774062 216380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1320774093 429240 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think that's the sound of Vorpal overthinking it. :P < 1320774101 340846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that is more like lossy compression . < 1320774109 931386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ \././ < 1320774112 744979 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's what that sound was. < 1320774134 54120 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: no it was me looking up how many "s" there were in "lossy" :P < 1320774198 796740 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh. this guy on reddit doesn't understand why a compiler could be faster than cpython < 1320774202 634785 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how losy youar with yor verds. < 1320774206 615003 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: whut. < 1320774217 707403 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wonder if he knows how computers work. < 1320774223 91814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: see http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/m4rbs/python_3_implementation_in_haskell/c2y45o5 onwards < 1320774272 483041 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So what? The compiler used for C is pretty state-of-the-art too" hahahahahahahaha < 1320774312 212804 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah he doesn't get interpreter vs. compiler. < 1320774344 59791 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly why do you talk to people on reddit < 1320774346 832975 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand. < 1320774357 65625 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost every comment I've read on reddit is bad. < 1320774380 931315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have nothing better to do < 1320774396 420978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: anyway /r/haskell is almost universally intelligent < 1320774433 149705 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc is pretty good, but it's no specialiser. It can't turn an interpreter into a compiler as good as itself. < 1320774437 888948 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a good compiler. < 1320774447 534289 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want that compiler. < 1320774470 556209 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, specialiser? < 1320774479 117705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that is exactly what specialisers do < 1320774480 948062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :click the link and read < 1320774528 375135 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Otherwise the only way to make it faster is by analysing the program during run time and get the information there (jit)." < 1320774531 401455 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is THE ONLY WAY. < 1320774542 337474 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to write something that is faster than an interpreter. < 1320774586 6547 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this what Python mind virus does to some unfortunate souls? or is this something else? < 1320774624 401743 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How could one compile a language that uses eval? I mean, besides including an interpreter with it < 1320774649 542148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: how could one compile a language that uses printf? i mean, besides including a formatted printer with it < 1320774670 328966 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also jit evals. < 1320774678 253561 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds kind of unwholesome. < 1320774682 501878 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :jitting evals. < 1320774838 639479 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320774843 133488 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1320774911 708595 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know you want to ditch @ and write the best programming language. < 1320774915 262248 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiler. < 1320774920 776533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what @ is, you moron. < 1320774955 492307 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, okay. < 1320774964 312206 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION comments
< 1320774987 416765 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that might not be the most accurate comment, but maybe it will be like a cluebat < 1320774999 150619 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION aggrieves.
< 1320775007 903059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you're just wasting time without the endless charm, charisma and genius required to make it an excellent fun time like i have < 1320775015 497344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDdddddddddd < 1320775038 646839 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott "not full of himself" hird < 1320775089 366879 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he is just thinking about eval? < 1320775126 369378 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's just stupid. < 1320775130 314100 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1320775171 931839 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is clearly not full of himself. < 1320775176 10771 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thinks super-fast optimized python builtins = magically the overhead of interpreting your program with no optimization isn't slow < 1320775176 204262 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He doesn't even capitalize his name. < 1320775180 848822 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who are full of themselves capitalize. < 1320775205 327058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course he's full of himself, it'd be extremely disturbing if he was full of someone else. < 1320775221 975325 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is full of oerjan.
< 1320775225 770345 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION burps.
< 1320775244 359027 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/u/e/ < 1320775286 870161 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Berps? < 1320775305 104235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/m4rbs/python_3_implementation_in_haskell/c2y51fr ;; I used bullet points, bold and em dashes, so you know it's authoritative. < 1320775325 40859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That is precisely the point you can barely optimize python via static analysis, the information to do that just isn't there." < 1320775325 425911 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, if your Python libraries provided every single piece of code you needed as a C builtin... then your "Python code" is going to be fast. < 1320775342 45430 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. < 1320775342 98260 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You work in the dynamic languages space, find me one of them papers showing that the behaviour of dynamic programs can be statically analysed in the vast majority of cases. < 1320775343 754428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I've read one. < 1320775382 144368 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots of papers that make that claim, very few (to none) that back it up. < 1320775391 271407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OK, s/vast majority/some/ :P < 1320775406 853091 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimizing python compiler + JITC eval = better Python < 1320775408 86670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This guy is claiming that you can do /so little static analysis/ that it's impossible for a static, optimising compiler to beat CPython. < 1320775415 18744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever. < 1320775417 872434 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, that's kinda siwwy. < 1320775428 326798 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's actually one on the dynamic behavior of Python out there somewhere :P < 1320775438 112014 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: python is just too l33t and frexibul < 1320775474 740131 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone's tried to write a Perl compiler. < 1320775481 177007 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to find other reasons to stop talkign to this guy
< 1320775488 221074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While usually I'm quite the liberal/free market in economic terms" strike one < 1320775490 192594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/talkign/talking/ < 1320775491 589222 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1320775492 698931 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: @ < 1320775506 294557 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've got a world to save. < 1320775509 249821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ahh ok I think I understand where you're trying to get at. I agree modern fencing is definitely not nearly as effective as the real training and sword fighting people used to do. I think I misinterpreted "It wouldn't hold up against any sort of real combat"." < 1320775510 25411 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My attempt to find it again is yielding only my own paper :P < 1320775511 340742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Look at this fucker. < 1320775515 440211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: X-D < 1320775522 559203 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I can cite that, there's no way he'd bother reading it! < 1320775553 234212 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My attempt to find it again is yielding only my own paper :P < 1320775555 866498 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1320775558 26103 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh snap, he plays DCSS. Strike two! < 1320775558 571701 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, copypasta fail < 1320775563 643669 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I can cite that, there's no way he'd bother reading it! < 1320775564 507936 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Here we go: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1862665 < 1320775578 480099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeexcellent. < 1320775579 216057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ridiculous, obviously nicking your opponent on the wrist half a second before they run you through the heart makes you the victor! < 1320775580 268016 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HEY < 1320775587 456450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Yo < 1320775605 543516 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play DCSS... occasionally... < 1320775625 251603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Wanna bet how long I'd bother arguing with you about the practicality of compiling Python? < 1320775635 130600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE RULES WORK. < 1320775650 654430 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you forgot the static compiler + dynamic JIT superfrankenstein < 1320775658 36152 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the bottom of your list. < 1320775722 921777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can I refer to you as a ``colleague''? It would boost my credibility. < 1320775729 827755 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1320775743 319580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: THE BULLET POINTS AREN'T ENOUGH < 1320775745 346696 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are colleagues at the International Institution of Esoteric Software Design < 1320775751 710310 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. IIESD < 1320775751 841561 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is friendship colleagues. < 1320775752 326125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, thanks for the permission < 1320775820 379676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/m4rbs/python_3_implementation_in_haskell/c2y54qu < 1320775823 641439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *COLLEAGUEHI5* < 1320775832 48176 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-148.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: restarting in attempt to fix nvidia drivers < 1320775838 899094 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *COLLEAGUEPOLITENOD* < 1320775842 219308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1320775853 159237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *COLLEAGUEFORMALHANDSHAKE* *COLLEAGUEBUSINESSMEETING* < 1320775863 244179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *COLLEAGUEAPPEARINGINSTOCKPHOTOSFORBADWEBHOSTINGCOMPANIES* < 1320775886 664191 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *COLLEAGUEPOINTINGATCOMPUTERMONITORWITHCHEESYGRINWHILEYOUTYPESOMETHING* < 1320775910 188144 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think calling it a static compiler + dynamic JIT superfrankenstein would greatly lend to your credibility. < 1320775930 235311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *COLLEAGUESUBVERTINGYOURATTEMPTSTOGETPROMOTEDSOTHATICANRISEABOVEYOUINTHEPECKINGORDERANDRUTHLESSLYCUTYOUDOWNBECAUSEIHATEYOU* < 1320775944 861630 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *COLLEAGUETENUREBITCH* < 1320775952 599539 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *COLLEAGUEMURDER* < 1320775953 293812 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-148.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320775957 216594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~The End~ < 1320775960 961367 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn < 1320775977 562839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You scored a maximum 0.3/1000000000 points. < 1320775983 663073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fix that sentence./ < 1320775985 458875 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the fastest Python you could get today would be by compiling Python into JavaScript and then running it with V8 ;) < 1320776005 478063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1320776010 650603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's... that's ALMOST tempting. < 1320776012 45305 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile to Lua and LuaJIT < 1320776034 9618 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: < 1320776034 992900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Posted 28 Sep 2008 at 14:03 UTC (updated 28 Sep 2008 at 16:33 UTC) by lkcl < 1320776035 113289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pyv8 is an experimental project to combine two-way python bindings to v8 < 1320776035 165648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : with the python-to-javascript compiler from pyjamas. a simple test has shown a ten times < 1320776035 165831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : performance increase of python code converted and executed as < 1320776035 481178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : javascript, when compared to running the same program as python. (to be < 1320776037 507064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : fair, cython gives a 100 times performance increase). < 1320776055 437700 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hahaha X-D < 1320776090 514524 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I'm not confident, but I would be unsurprised if compiling Lua to JS and running it through V8 was faster than LuaJIT. LuaJIT is really good, but JS has gotten a stupid amount of attention lately, and the Lua->JS semantic difference is very small. < 1320776099 648033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Still, 10x over a naive bytecode interpreter is not that impressive :P < 1320776103 92429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's even better now though. < 1320776117 968153 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 'struth < 1320776140 450901 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the bestest would be Fythe lololol < 1320776151 655132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do wonder if you couldn't do better than Pyjamas though, I think they're more focused on their AJAX GUI/FRP stuff than their translator... < 1320776154 269564 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm blissfully unaware of the thriving world of, uh, JS development. < 1320776174 937426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: No you're not, if you've used any JS app in the past few years < 1320776183 904106 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this person is assuming that since you can't always infer types, you can never infer types < 1320776190 77829 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which might be the sort of assumption I might make < 1320776200 488674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We detected that your computer does not meet the system performance requirements for MapsGL. Learn more about the system requirements for MapsGL. < 1320776202 7276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;____; < 1320776204 319944 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I... don't think that's how it works. < 1320776204 579610 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I mentioned that my new computer is supersweet? < 1320776206 795453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1320776216 485532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is it better than bsmntbombdood's? < 1320776224 610822 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Idonno, I don't have his specs. < 1320776287 235598 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`findlogs bsmntbombdood.*ghz < 1320776288 449060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What CPU, how much RAM :P < 1320776291 926810 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooo cheater. < 1320776293 589546 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: findlogs: not found < 1320776296 368713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not how you use logs anyway. < 1320776299 523931 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh :P < 1320776310 962280 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the part list anyway, so I'm like SO AUTHORITATIVE. < 1320776311 485443 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 6-core 3.1GHz AMD Phenom, 16GB RAM < 1320776334 267049 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, same RAM, but he has a 4-core first generation i7... which is better, 'cuz, really, AMD. < 1320776347 414442 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: He gets bragging rights anyway on account of getting it years ago :P < 1320776348 718127 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I shouldn't have let my friends talk me into getting an AMD >_< < 1320776357 275954 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 3TB HDD :P < 1320776366 405213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Any SSD? < 1320776367 411995 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: huh cool I've got a V6 3.0L Honda V-Tec with I-can't-think-of-an-analogy-for-RAM < 1320776372 502608 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope. < 1320776381 534305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: He has an 80 GiB first-gen Intel X25M SSD plus two 1 TiB drives in RAID-1. < 1320776393 868936 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So, I still have more SPACE :P < 1320776396 218657 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Or at least, did, years ago :P < 1320776404 104416 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair 'nuff. < 1320776414 525164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: More space, it's just that everything you can access goes so slowly you never get to appreciate it ;D < 1320776415 686824 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, how 'bout this then: Mine was expensive, but not as retarded-expensive as his must have been years ago. < 1320776423 424905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It was <$1,600. < 1320776429 538208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the exact amount. $1400? < 1320776441 46699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, not libc.so expensive! < 1320776450 598371 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1320776471 646576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Talk me out of getting AMD BTW < 1320776486 35670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is literally exactly one reason I'm considering it and it's that I hate Intel :P < 1320776487 848110 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Running OS X in a VM with AMD is *cry* < 1320776498 207555 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should find out about AMD's despicable business practices so I can hate them too. < 1320776514 76737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So... that's... how is that a disadvantage? < 1320776517 997540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That lets me avoid OS X more effectively. < 1320776539 599523 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1320776552 855494 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My machine is SIMULRUNNING (<-- this is a word) Debian, OS X and Windows. < 1320776560 599998 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can have 2/3rds pain and suffering and 1/3 joy. < 1320776570 173731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really have given bsmntbombdood a worse computer, because now the awful consumerist in me feels really bad about buying a computer worse than his. < 1320776570 428603 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/3 pain < 1320776583 452386 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankfully, not being rich counteracts this! < 1320776602 458316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if ECC RAM is less expensive these days. (Hahahahaha.) < 1320776634 632716 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like Extra Crappy Crap RAM < 1320776677 273586 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: does access to RAM become a bottleneck when you increase the number of cores in your CPU or does it matter? < 1320776691 178976 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not matter < 1320776702 65618 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Depends. Generally yes. Depends on how NUMAlicious your CPU is too. < 1320776719 872695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: FSVO Extra Crappy Crap equal to not broken :P < 1320776739 776888 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should make FSVO a valid operation in @lang < 1320776752 367609 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously though, I'd like to take this opportunity to laugh really hard at anyone who buys a new computer without an SSD system drive. < 1320776758 112774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha < 1320776788 112430 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ohh, there's the other reason I was considering AMD, i7s don't do ECC. < 1320776804 663377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to get the vastly more expensive Xeons which need the vastly more expensive server motherboards because Intel are fucks. < 1320776852 132988 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :intelllllll................................ < 1320776875 705425 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320776917 468552 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://promotions.newegg.com/ASUS/111511/696x288.jpg < 1320776922 913264 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im true red < 1320776923 520252 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nes < 1320776975 454554 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: help. it seems that when I click on the "learn more" button, nothing happens. < 1320776981 67 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have learned < 1320776981 647929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most < 1320777022 379845 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? learn < 1320777024 476505 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1320777028 352291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I was going to ask why 16 gigs of RAM when you're not on Nehalem and then I felt really stupid. < 1320777035 968444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16: Not a multiple of three? Instead a multiple of two? < 1320777037 627345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You decide. < 1320777111 794600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bytesizebio.net/index.php/2011/11/06/brainfk-while-waiting-for-a-flight/ < 1320777116 613132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE YOU ON /R/PROGRAMMING YOU PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT < 1320777118 687311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPDATE II: Following Vincent's comment, here is a fixed version of the interpreter. This time it should work with nested loops. Thanks Vincent. < 1320777120 325044 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1320777129 349003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IM GOING TO THROTTLE YOU TO DEATH < 1320777139 997339 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know on one hand I can see how it would seem that 16 is a multiple of 3 because it is a very 3-like number, but then there is also the case that 16 is a multiple two because it lends well to create the 2-like numbers, but very few scholary sources seem to encroach upon the difficult subject. < 1320777149 294015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1320777149 892208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love people who write BF interpreters without nested loops. < 1320777150 701522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOO < 1320777151 325217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE GUY < 1320777153 708709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :KNOWS ABOUT ESOLANGS.ORG < 1320777155 345204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1320777159 765836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They remind me of myself when I was twelve. < 1320777193 864948 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-148.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320777198 121041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I like this golfed thing: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/m4c29/fun_with_brainfuck_while_waiting_for_a_flight/c2y2oxe < 1320777223 568281 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-148.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320777232 506853 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1320777235 363329 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is he using format < 1320777237 104104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.shapecatcher.com/index.html Nooooooo, it doesn't do "PILE OF POO". < 1320777247 248771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Python 3, looks like. < 1320777258 790091 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does % not exist in Python 3? < 1320777267 778518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1320777273 688153 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be way better for golfing in any case. < 1320777292 989379 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :🙀 < 1320777295 42224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weary cat face < 1320777328 24931 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ﺕ < 1320777328 790670 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In block: Byzantine Musical Symbols" < 1320777329 881862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1320777336 288291 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᴞ < 1320777353 659877 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1320777354 557803 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1320777355 671887 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 𝆋 < 1320777379 776263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᑂ < 1320777381 685769 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😆 < 1320777383 993732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't even recognise my shark pirate. < 1320777386 319672 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::$ suddenly my money is where my mouth is. < 1320777387 343609 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᓤ < 1320777388 364744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᓤ < 1320777388 508189 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᓤ < 1320777388 753870 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᓤ < 1320777393 769509 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :best face. < 1320777406 86922 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😌 < 1320777410 129038 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😒 < 1320777413 991347 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😋 < 1320777414 361086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᴞ < 1320777417 353675 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😁 < 1320777420 935108 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😜 < 1320777424 546958 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😏 < 1320777429 118426 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😣 < 1320777432 7155 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😚 < 1320777434 29815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ѷ < 1320777435 17234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ѷ < 1320777435 253139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ѷ < 1320777435 922582 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😞 < 1320777465 95330 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᒚ < 1320777482 413583 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320777489 351881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ꙭ < 1320777495 507834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mature.
< 1320777507 264924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᴂ < 1320777535 309902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :⚧ waht < 1320777546 370740 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😅 < 1320777548 508428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MALE WITH STROKE AND MALE AND FEMALE SIGN" < 1320777554 794568 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😘 < 1320777557 579028 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1320777587 197127 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom < 1320777589 30145 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ ais523 \ augur \ banach-tarski \ c \ cakeprophet \ elliott \ everyone \ finland \ fizzie \ flower \ friendship \ fungot \ gregor \ hackego \ haskell \ ievan \ intercal \ itidus20 \ monad \ monads \ monqy \ nooga \ oerjan \ oklopol \ qdb \ qdbformat \ sgeo \ shachaf \ u \ vorpal \ welcome \ wiki \ you < 1320777605 299303 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn you < 1320777607 81408 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1320777611 857963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget you < 1320777612 228688 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? you < 1320777615 60420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? banach-tarski < 1320777615 620063 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what? < 1320777617 789317 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? you < 1320777618 145389 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1320777621 759370 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Banach-Tarski" is an anagram of "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski". < 1320777624 590089 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :you? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1320777631 239390 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1320777634 41175 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was you? < 1320777638 275269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itidus20 < 1320777640 243183 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20 is horny 60 year olds having cybersex in minecraft < 1320777655 301124 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad < 1320777656 919115 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1320777668 198508 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😡 < 1320777671 275216 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😖 < 1320777672 958309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1320777674 655087 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf mad < 1320777678 135339 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😪 < 1320777682 101067 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😏 < 1320777683 875470 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we have descended into madness. < 1320777684 766428 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😎 < 1320777694 232168 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only Madoka-Kaname were here < 1320777694 353200 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😩 < 1320777697 200997 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to spam lambdabot. < 1320777699 733930 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😷 < 1320777700 309699 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn shachaf ace < 1320777702 255611 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1320777703 380076 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1320777704 701312 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1320777706 761019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1320777706 877563 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😺 < 1320777708 216194 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1320777709 990602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1320777710 855470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1320777711 874637 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1320777712 287644 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: pls stop < 1320777714 939552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1320777719 122304 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1320777720 380931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1320777722 247174 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf ace < 1320777726 418276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 876 < 1320777727 776882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1320777728 193230 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1320777729 33005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? you < 1320777731 81393 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :you? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1320777732 938310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? you < 1320777734 891277 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :you a haskell < 1320777742 891670 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me a haskell < 1320777754 94500 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1320777756 273576 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf mad < 1320777761 142436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1320777766 902781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oklopol < 1320777768 900306 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol "so i hear these blogs are getting popular, people like writing about their lives and shit. on this thing called the internet which is like a neural network only really stupid." < 1320777784 789269 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Phantom_Hoover < 1320777786 545873 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1320777788 188273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sgeo < 1320777789 884772 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo invented Metaplace sex. < 1320777792 576594 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? phantom hoover < 1320777794 606477 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom hoover? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1320777800 524873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vorpal < 1320777802 686154 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is really boring. Seriously, you have no idea. < 1320777815 162132 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal follows speed limits. < 1320777815 280635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing to do with elliott, I assume. < 1320777817 593486 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :laaaame. < 1320777836 208543 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? everyone < 1320777838 105711 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone in here is mad. < 1320777856 459645 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fortune < 1320777857 62758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ievan < 1320777859 201181 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhat alarmed at the continued growth of the number of employees \ on the Department of Agriculture payroll in 1962, Michigan Republican Robert \ Griffin proposed an amendment to the farm bill so that "the total number of \ employees in the Department of Agriculture at no time exceeds the number of \ farmers in < 1320777871 406618 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ievan is basically http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4om1rQKPijI < 1320777871 657692 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1320777872 39862 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good poem < 1320777892 275716 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are IRC fortune dbs < 1320777897 744778 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC-friendly that is. < 1320777932 211589 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? haskell < 1320777934 367636 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is preferred by 9 out of 10 esoteric programmers. Ask your GP today! http://learnyouahaskell.com/ < 1320777957 913067 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1320777968 435253 :FireFly!firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :*.net *.split < 1320777969 365253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't think that kind of advertising is allowed here? < 1320777973 53204 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads the Haskerl thingy
< 1320777992 302774 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Haskperl < 1320778008 150187 :FireFly!firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1320778036 771285 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a google search for perl compiler renders nothing is actually a legitimate perl compiler. < 1320778043 2592 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+that < 1320778062 244728 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I'm pretty sure it's called Haskerl, but yes < 1320778085 949629 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's an actual thing. < 1320778107 767918 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~partain/haskerl/partain-1.html < 1320778144 456222 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwww yeah < 1320778151 211465 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1320778188 971179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn PHP is preferred by 9 out of 10 idiots. Ask your GP today! [Website redacted] < 1320778191 191658 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1320778253 101961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :any evil lies that i wrote [Website redacted] because i couldn't bother to find a website will be harshly punished. < 1320778262 408588 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Further, if an io_thing turns out to have type "[IO a]" (list of I/O < 1320778262 531061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actions), then suitable wrapping will be inserted to deal with that < 1320778262 584036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("listIO io_action `thenIO` ( \ result -> ... ", for those who care). < 1320778265 949822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: this is great and terrible < 1320778288 959630 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just read that line too... < 1320778304 366178 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thought roughly the same thing < 1320778305 243959 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is awful < 1320778350 222807 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: don't worry, it was in the naive days of 93 < 1320778351 915513 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is an April Fools joke < 1320778353 291031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did not know then < 1320778357 514089 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: ...oh :( < 1320778358 517838 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: but < 1320778362 502229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they literally invented do notation? < 1320778363 954169 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1320778369 181879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like when ben franklin was joking about dst :D < 1320778371 90695 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess USB 1.1 had a poorly named speed in retrospect < 1320778377 273986 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"full-speed" < 1320778386 86873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, that might be 1.0 as well < 1320778386 838202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah that explains why the wrapping isn't simply a monad. < 1320778411 712375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1320778413 938849 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, 93 explains a lot < 1320778418 488249 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~partain/haskerl.html < 1320778421 754010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the 93 < 1320778429 897073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, they say it's monadic IO < 1320778437 307444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's before the typeclass existed < 1320778449 94311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: wait, was do notation already proposed when this came out? < 1320778450 323784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must have been < 1320778460 293208 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No idea < 1320778477 516737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: surely it should be simply sequence in some monad, otherwise. < 1320778490 492917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what they will call UBS 4.0 < 1320778493 269755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB* < 1320778494 896551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um like I said, this is 93, so they knew about monadic IO but had no abstraction for it < 1320778498 994296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no Monad typeclass, etc. < 1320778513 579056 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :""if", for example, normally has the type "Bool -> a -> a -> a"." < 1320778515 410784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a better time < 1320778516 856264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's what "otherwise" means, sheesh < 1320778525 880726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1320778559 554940 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it bad that I think some of this stuff is a good idea? < 1320778564 592043 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1320778567 451511 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1320778567 576010 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the do notation part < 1320778569 683700 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/shachaf < 1320778571 581498 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1320778577 288049 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: oh the polymorphic regexps are actually a well known thing < 1320778579 541052 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run kill -9 $$ < 1320778581 168199 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Killed < 1320778586 533734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo nice try < 1320778588 467596 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice try < 1320778598 296855 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that a try? < 1320778606 100181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1320778606 962014 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it nice? < 1320778607 757072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's wrong with bool->a->a->a for the type of if? < 1320778609 942192 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should just exit the shell instance that it spawns. < 1320778611 521016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the type it has, as a function < 1320778617 793021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: where did I say there was something wrong with it? < 1320778620 700253 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mainly variable interpolation and backtick stuff (though that syntax would conflict with infix functions) < 1320778621 325421 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill -9 $$ is my usual way of exiting a shell. < 1320778624 988910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn shachaf mad with destruction < 1320778627 258334 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1320778630 131183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in your answer to CakeProphet's question < 1320778632 4795 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/shachaf < 1320778634 63624 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1320778634 853085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you bind ^D to that? :-) < 1320778638 346657 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not "some of this stuff" < 1320778648 288649 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No -- I want ^D to behave as it does. < 1320778648 411237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1320778662 127651 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But kill -9 $$ is the easiest way I know of to exit without saving history. < 1320778662 801865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :run kill -WINCH $$ < 1320778669 693079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run kill -WINCH $$ < 1320778671 601638 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1320778680 138441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't do with HackEgo having a badly-sized terminal < 1320778700 608094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, a bad belief about the size of its terminal < 1320778708 690831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tput cols < 1320778710 693377 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :80 < 1320778717 75302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I wasn't expecting that to work… < 1320778719 257976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tput rows < 1320778719 630488 :derrik!~xix@194.150.65.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320778720 233830 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, you'd want to kill -WINCH its PPID, presumably. < 1320778721 454773 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tput: unknown terminfo capability 'rows' < 1320778728 393073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1320778746 37773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tput lines < 1320778747 149517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly ais523 < 1320778747 902627 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 < 1320778749 856093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1320778753 833008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was guessing < 1320778764 756966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and decided that my guess was wrong after the error < 1320778860 832650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning from errors? how quaint. < 1320778890 578942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '\x1b[8;120;36t'; tput cols; tput rows < 1320778892 656830 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\x1b[8;120;36t80 \ tput: unknown terminfo capability 'rows' < 1320778896 684454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '\x1b[8;120;36t'; tput cols; tput lines < 1320778898 624498 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\x1b[8;120;36t80 \ 24 < 1320778899 104647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~partain/haskerl/ganesh-1.html < 1320778904 844150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god people taking this seriously :') < 1320778914 661832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring, It'd have been hilarious if I'd actually managed to resize its idea of what its temrinal was < 1320778917 754190 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I tend to agree, Perl’s ast based internal structure is very fast. The overhead of JIT would almost certainly be a big down side as most perl programs seem to run for a very short time." < 1320778918 274082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't think you're using printf right < 1320778920 376272 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo doesn't escape < 1320778921 787397 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this crap. < 1320778932 724050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '%c[8;120;36t' 27; tput cols; tput lines < 1320778933 79403 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\x1b[8;120;36t'; tput cols; tput lines < 1320778934 783358 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2[8;120;36t80 \ 24 < 1320778939 250677 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\e[8;120;36t'; tput cols; tput lines < 1320778941 81352 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-e \e[8;120;36t \ 80 \ 24 < 1320778944 283988 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1320778946 317142 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-e \x1b[8;120;36t \ 80 \ 24 < 1320778949 396521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /bin/echo -e '\e[8;120;36t'; tput cols; tput lines < 1320778951 90506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you're using echo right < 1320778951 742931 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.[8;120;36t \ 80 \ 24 < 1320778955 918057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1320778960 260667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, no pty < 1320778990 276918 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't want to be misunderstood but I DON'T WANT to believe this. < 1320778990 329543 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, programs do not normally kill patients, doctors do. So where < 1320778990 393930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :were the doctors or nurses who were supposed to keep such patients < 1320778990 446781 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :under close control? Or do we nowadays have artificially intelligent < 1320778990 446941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs acting as doctors?" < 1320778994 316883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS SO ADORABLE OMG < 1320779004 760719 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Something missing in the above picture, I think. And I also detect < 1320779004 813851 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bad smell of abuse and negligence, too. (Assuming that the last sentence < 1320779004 877236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of Hudak's message does really reflect what happened at Yale Med School.) < 1320779004 929647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1320779004 929811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, I would safely guess that there are dozens of newspapers, < 1320779005 630965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV stations, etc. who would be interested in this story. So how come < 1320779007 282251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they never did their job? Or did they?" < 1320779007 786037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've got the code wrong; at least, it's not working in my shell, and it used to < 1320779009 323531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gjkdfsghksdklfg < 1320779015 975245 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: try in rxvt < 1320779021 837754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know gnome-terminal dislikes some of that stuff < 1320779024 391686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 8 meant to be < 1320779027 526187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it 2 or 3 < 1320779029 4049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does work in gnome-term, I've done it in the past < 1320779042 787306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320779053 769194 :derrik!~xix@194.150.65.85 PART :#esoteric < 1320779074 760036 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais, how many people did you kill? < 1320779079 52058 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With your bad code < 1320779081 902880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~partain/haskerl/jhf-1.html < 1320779082 35008 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, he's not here < 1320779084 212394 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :excessive monadery! < 1320779118 277686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~partain/haskerl/wall-1.html < 1320779119 491299 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi larry < 1320779170 624332 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this is the best < 1320779182 139997 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~partain/haskerl/dw-2.html < 1320779185 12157 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Support for Visual Basic is not anticipated." < 1320779185 377340 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to add it to the wiki < 1320779190 536626 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOO < 1320779198 186690 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Wakeling (inventor of surrealist programming) < 1320779229 319270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you manage to read the annotation < 1320779364 577781 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: larry -Wall is god among meermortals. < 1320779463 788560 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have two monitors now < 1320779514 500326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :larry -Wextra < 1320779656 318478 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320779662 545055 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :larry -funroll-loops < 1320779672 45088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :larry o2 < 1320779693 581696 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :larry "funroll" loops < 1320779714 528320 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had a son so I could call him that. < 1320779723 71373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that my surname was Loops, I suppose. < 1320779749 164755 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you can always get married and adopt your wife's surname. < 1320779772 117113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also just change your name. < 1320779783 723035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also please CakeProphet, we have civil unions in this country. Phantom_Hoover is a gay vampire. < 1320779877 524626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: did you manage to read the annotation <-- on sunday? yes. < 1320780042 289828 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm biscuit syrup. < 1320780045 310269 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel so... southern. < 1320780152 270382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they're not *dwarven syrup biscuits [10]*? < 1320780186 733760 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's this: http://www.scanavert.com/api/picture.php?upc=00700195004325&width=150&height=150 < 1320780209 447758 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found a 1 /dev/zero < 1320780260 169387 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not referring to your barbaric limey biscuits. < 1320780278 906300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limes????? What are these things? < 1320780283 674156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they like plump helmetss? < 1320780295 64647 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, they prevent scurvy in sailors. < 1320780312 16795 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words < 1320780318 549610 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they prevent scurvy sailors, argh! < 1320780337 15193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to read that [10] as that +10 thing they put in rpg tables
< 1320780362 351371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: play df with us :} < 1320780366 367832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDd < 1320780367 443431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::Qqqq < 1320780369 553115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::# < 1320780378 266131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah so it is something equivalent there? < 1320780389 232176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt say that ;___; < 1320780400 770217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ceries softly.
< 1320780404 565078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it _could_ have been. < 1320780406 924286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was meant to be a typo of softly < 1320780407 811191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1320780409 4801 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soft lie < 1320780409 400807 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1320780411 628238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turned out being the same < 1320780412 724251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the right way < 1320780420 170372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i < 1320780421 516267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mistyped < 1320780423 493626 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mistype... < 1320780430 925812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i broke elliott again < 1320780435 845091 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1320780438 912082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1320780455 270953 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xlithiumx.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/395px-runny_hunny.jpg < 1320780461 472925 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice that American biscuits are far superior. < 1320780462 223848 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hunny < 1320780483 272186 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, see: http://westofthewest.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/hardee-s-new-monster-biscuit.jpg < 1320780489 814459 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a more typical American biscuit. < 1320780498 678950 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fastest food < 1320780513 263033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :america is like going into a quaint film but then the film doesn't end < 1320780534 712543 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: explain yourself < 1320780581 21067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh arcanesentiment is in another lull < 1320780585 278415 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a metaphor for life? < 1320780599 129962 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prog21 too, but it's always in a lull < 1320780605 977101 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul < 1320780608 438941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok it had active posting throughout october < 1320780625 455114 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: lull with me. < 1320780677 803614 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulling good hobbey < 1320780685 810003 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1320780752 668212 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BiscuitsAmerican%26British.png that's a really shitty american biscuit < 1320780765 920585 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am ashame wakapedoia < 1320780784 681590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: mmmmmmm bourbons < 1320780801 109606 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is that what that obscene doggy treat is? < 1320780806 462592 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1320780807 582488 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is. < 1320780807 710299 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/6/60/20091013115300%21BiscuitsAmerican%26British.png old version, even shittier < 1320780808 92302 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no its < 1320780814 553226 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its filled with chocolate cream shit < 1320780814 943111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its < 1320780815 903430 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1320780818 850490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1320780819 319936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1320780820 169938 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet < 1320780824 358286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you never had a digestive biscuit in your life < 1320780828 358687 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1320780831 607696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck!!!!!!!!! < 1320780833 759596 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ginger nut??? < 1320780837 663317 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1320780844 168520 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.virginmedia.com/images/ginger_nut430x300.jpg < 1320780847 717019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you had one of these < 1320780849 305720 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :america land of the freedom from digestive biscuits < 1320780857 867736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ANSWER FUCKER >:( < 1320780867 524234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : have you never had a digestive biscuit in your life <-- I only ever heard of them < 1320780867 654724 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh yes I've ate a cookie before. < 1320780868 696082 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :home of the too brave for ginger nut < 1320780870 994091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever they are < 1320780874 723907 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: THATS NOT A COOKIE < 1320780877 137072 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has never heard of digestive biscuits.
< 1320780878 548650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COOKISE HAVE CHOCOLATE CHIPS < 1320780879 416065 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds horrible. < 1320780880 193506 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is exactly a cookie. < 1320780883 295925 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1320780884 892251 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1320780885 264154 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... < 1320780887 613197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet < 1320780887 734997 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT YOURE LOOKING AT < 1320780889 284924 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some cookies do not have chocolate chips < 1320780889 547834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITS GINGER FLAVOURED < 1320780889 600480 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has not ever < 1320780890 902800 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tasted < 1320780891 371838 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND SNAPS < 1320780891 998224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND SHIT < 1320780895 482061 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a digestive biscuit < 1320780896 943092 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love ginger snaps < 1320780896 996223 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes we call those ginger snaps < 1320780898 226992 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, looks like a kind of cookie to me. < 1320780900 995134 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're cookies. < 1320780901 489972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they are the best thing in tea? < 1320780901 542427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1320780902 517948 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP CALLING < 1320780903 271775 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING < 1320780903 521160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C < 1320780903 639450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I take it you don't like ginger? < 1320780904 399799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOKIES < 1320780906 503820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HATE YOU!!!!!! < 1320780914 765445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: GINGER NUTS ARE THE GREATEST FUCKING THING NEXT TO DIGESTIVE BISCUITS < 1320780914 817656 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A "cookie" in American parlance refers to a large quantity of things, many of which you call "biscuits". < 1320780917 277440 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love good cookies too < 1320780921 492053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: FUCK YOUUUU YOUR DIALECT IS WRONG!!! < 1320780923 476441 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:[{- COOKIES! -}]) < 1320780926 734215 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f (x,y) = True in f undefined undefined < 1320780927 729755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a -> t' < 1320780927 843630 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `GHC.Bo... < 1320780928 86658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Personally I don't like ginger < 1320780933 137290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the United States it is a small, soft, leavened bread, somewhat similar to a scone." < 1320780934 881589 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you had american biscuits? < 1320780935 153237 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1320780935 392310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I;M PUNCHING YOU < 1320780940 173688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: IVE HAD SCONES < 1320780940 301337 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f (x,y) = True in f (undefined,undefined) < 1320780941 210712 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Didn't you ever watch Sesame Street? < 1320780941 263170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1320780945 570157 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not the same. < 1320780946 342557 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, dude, give up, you can't out-scone Britain < 1320780946 428196 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You've probably never had biscuits & gravy. :) < 1320780961 672878 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :american biscuits are kind of lame < 1320780963 795177 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gravy on digestive biscuits MMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm < 1320780967 583851 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no) < 1320780970 681636 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: With gravy, though. < 1320780976 155694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy < 1320780979 280379 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever had a digestive biscuit < 1320780981 416111 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : there are many ways to make biscuits gravy < 1320780986 574572 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the southern US is very good at it. < 1320780992 838455 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1320780996 524125 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/gravy/good/ < 1320780997 373914 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh < 1320781002 270899 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :graby is an acceptable synonym. < 1320781005 156015 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1320781005 389961 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott maybe I have had something which is a digestive biscuit without knowing because nothing is called digestive biscuites here it's all cookies :( < 1320781005 872527 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy < 1320781011 953421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must < 1320781012 825542 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wait ill get a picture < 1320781013 976564 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :save you < 1320781015 773808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from < 1320781016 433192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this < 1320781021 739521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Digestive_biscuits.jpg ok this is an ugly picture but < 1320781024 797303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :digestive biscuitless wasteland < 1320781027 459459 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: they taste like warmth < 1320781027 841051 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes they're pretty much the same thing. < 1320781029 96688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1320781031 532994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and English people are strange: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkshire_pudding <-- IMO this is a type of bread, not a pudding < 1320781031 756584 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.webanswers.com/post-images/5/5F/7088B479-AB32-1029-81DD15954676B012.jpg < 1320781034 750074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a slightly nicer picture monqy < 1320781039 487123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you dunk them in tea and < 1320781041 291946 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're so warm and < 1320781042 767799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1320781043 260179 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Digestive biscuits basically aren't in the US, but if we had them we'd call them cookies. < 1320781044 383923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy < 1320781046 163087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you have a supply of adequate tea < 1320781048 243881 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never had a msvitties the original < 1320781055 628712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mcvities < 1320781056 558906 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have crappy tea sorry < 1320781060 719267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ok but is it < 1320781064 561515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you stand to have a mouthful of it < 1320781068 694035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :english biscuits work with any tea < 1320781071 316837 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it tea, not weird herbal crap? < 1320781073 62494 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation is hilarious. < 1320781077 153132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah it has to be actual tea not < 1320781078 108445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: agreed < 1320781078 641871 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it's tea < 1320781078 771509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :green tea or whatever < 1320781082 761454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good < 1320781084 724620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what's your address < 1320781085 827923 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-65-236.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320781086 234065 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-65-236.telstraclear.net QUIT :Changing host < 1320781086 285835 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1320781090 540129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loads up amazon
< 1320781099 740939 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mamas-southern-cooking.com/images/biscuits-and-gravy-01.jpg < 1320781101 367926 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmmmmmm < 1320781106 996065 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, man. Green tea is actual tea. Admittedly, probably not the sort of thing you want to drink if you want to do things proper & British-like. < 1320781110 807594 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving out my address would only end badly < 1320781112 216005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no amazon.co.uk i dont want the chocolate ones!! they are niceb ut monqy needs _real digestives_ < 1320781118 988449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it is ok you can tell mei n private < 1320781119 751166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK American biscuits look like crappy scones. < 1320781125 916730 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, have you had scones. < 1320781131 276566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: dude find me digestives on amazon.co.uk i cant < 1320781131 402331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Does it originate from the tea plant? < 1320781134 445786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they re like < 1320781135 790722 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1320781136 206531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 quid < 1320781136 654482 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: scones are a US thing too. < 1320781138 540755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a 23712389723 pack < 1320781144 394387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ??? haha no? < 1320781149 80626 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are similar but usually not eaten with the same things that biscits are. < 1320781150 58048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://www.amazon.co.uk/1StopCufflinkShop-Novelty-Digestive-Biscuit-Cufflinks/dp/B003PLO6PQ/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&qid=1320781097&sr=8-18 < 1320781151 746588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corollary: do you rhyme 'scone' with 'cone'? < 1320781155 321672 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :novelty digestive biscuit cufflinks < 1320781156 795767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover < 1320781157 416015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :novelty digestive biscuit cufflinks < 1320781159 159682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1320781161 666698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: nothing else added except hot water and possibly milk? < 1320781170 206584 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no its because mysterious thing comes in mail from mysterious place and my parents wouldn't be able to deal with it.........and i wouldn't be able to tell them i gave out adres because then they'd kill me < 1320781171 229973 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: scones don't really exist where I live. < 1320781171 369919 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUYS NOVELTY DIGESTIVE BISCUIT CUFFLINKS WHAT??? < 1320781173 113035 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You don't add milk to green tea. < 1320781173 194925 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they actual digestive biscuits? < 1320781175 788600 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But, yeah. < 1320781177 225453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP??? < 1320781177 345913 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joys of not bein gan audtl < 1320781180 340511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: HELP? < 1320781183 483810 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but I've seen them in the midwest and northeast. < 1320781186 101609 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Maybe* a small amount of sugar. < 1320781189 721958 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much all biscuits in the south. < 1320781193 305493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is there anywhere ican dliver things that you canp ick them up (in secret) < 1320781194 96385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: right, then it is a type of tea. And I wouldn't know if you use milk with it or not, I don't like any tea really < 1320781205 292550 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i know of..... < 1320781212 239267 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, wait we can use that strike bomber we were going to kill you with (long story) and drop digestive biscuits instead? < 1320781225 459310 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1320781238 344371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok monqy < 1320781240 921521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mind the taste of high explosive? < 1320781242 891834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we meet up in california < 1320781246 848161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will bring digestives < 1320781249 814025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and proper eta < 1320781250 569691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tea < 1320781269 873427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.amazon.co.uk/McVities-Digestive-Biscuits-400g-Pack/dp/B005R0LO5S/ref=sr_1_34?ie=UTF8&qid=1320781212&sr=8-34 20 POUNDS!!!! < 1320781278 944263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1320781283 302878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sell digestives in america < 1320781285 611184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know they do because < 1320781289 739961 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure like on reddit theres been an expat saying < 1320781291 47014 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Whoa, man, I thought biscuits had to be hard. < 1320781294 50243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you just have to go blah and they have all the BISCUITS!!! < 1320781297 15904 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there are soft biscuits. < 1320781305 890351 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: find the biscuits < 1320781310 58374 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, none of us knew this? < 1320781314 117377 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmm, < 1320781315 176490 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, yes, if you know where to look you can find just about any damned food item in the US. < 1320781351 542115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think you guys understand < 1320781353 758930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you're missing out on < 1320781356 780384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: you've had digestives right < 1320781358 154463 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oi, pikhq_, do you rhyme 'scone' and 'cone'? < 1320781358 805522 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Especially* if you're in, say, New York. < 1320781360 213409 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. < 1320781360 305673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnily enough I don't think either of the Swedish words "kaka" and "kex" translates directly to either the British or the American biscuit/cookie concepts < 1320781363 510994 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1320781364 513367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1320781367 671604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: FIX IT??? < 1320781377 407770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, BASTARD SCUM BASTARD BASTARD < 1320781386 580064 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Describe? < 1320781389 487301 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://swervechurch.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/6b7d841b6f6f35e6_m.jpg DO YOU GUYS DO THIS TO YOUR SCONES? < 1320781392 362939 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't speak Scots. :P < 1320781392 980170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I found a summary of the French. < 1320781394 929652 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT RHYMES WITH 'CON' < 1320781395 951716 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT < 1320781397 289276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALWAYS < 1320781398 384051 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscuit_rose_de_Reims "The biscuit is very hard. It is hence customary to dip the biscuit in champagne or red wine to soften it." < 1320781399 30068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RHYMES < 1320781399 916692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH < 1320781402 819186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'CON' < 1320781409 120485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well, I wouldn't even know what to classify those "digestive biscuits" as in Swedish terminology. < 1320781422 790543 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ah nay spik braid scots < 1320781424 844794 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you know those biscuits they sell in the swedish section of ikea? those are nice guys < 1320781429 464267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: definitely not kaka. And kex need to be crisp < 1320781432 709945 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, OH GOD WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO THAT SCONE < 1320781433 669069 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, < 1320781435 799561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1320781436 431818 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do < 1320781437 852410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they're thin and sort of star shaped but rounded? < 1320781439 53067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not understand < 1320781441 107534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and gingerbready < 1320781441 818605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they don't sell food in IKEAs in Sweden < 1320781444 407864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are nice mm < 1320781445 436783 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor scone < 1320781445 989323 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: making it amazing < 1320781446 883554 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1320781451 406885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tey're like < 1320781452 44867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANNA < 1320781452 461833 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1320781454 826478 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANNKA < 1320781456 173306 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1320781456 665748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1320781458 575292 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's a McDonalds McBiscuit. They taste worse than they look. < 1320781461 4809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ANKA? < 1320781463 26812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means duck < 1320781464 898567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AEWFAWEGUWAGHE < 1320781470 24708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe it's made from duck < 1320781471 371246 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: it is? < 1320781471 635296 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcbiscuit < 1320781474 131904 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good name < 1320781477 115443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: doubtful < 1320781487 768569 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: http://swervechurch.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/6b7d841b6f6f35e6_m.jpg sure is. < 1320781487 824707 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes it is. < 1320781487 909002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, are these... common? < 1320781489 816842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i will find them on < 1320781491 611211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the ikea site < 1320781498 545118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but I don't know any Swedish brand with a name like that < 1320781501 231059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure, do that < 1320781505 353730 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Tea_and_scones.jpg < 1320781510 415658 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think McDonalds is the only place that carries them. < 1320781511 602937 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: where do you live? < 1320781518 614915 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Colorado, US < 1320781518 761791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/90124690/ i think this is the same thing?? but different packaging and stuff < 1320781519 861473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will soothe my eyes with scones that have not been mutilated. < 1320781529 492003 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But, McDonalds is exceptionally common. < 1320781534 707597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that /is/ gingerbread < 1320781535 312783 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: in Colorado you can find sausage, egg, and cheese biscuits that are not from a fast food chain, yes? < 1320781537 232900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, there is no other Colorado to speak of. < 1320781538 829919 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do other fast food places carry mcbiscuitalikes < 1320781542 810503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pepparkakor < 1320781543 303250 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Never seen one. < 1320781546 306057 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no expert on fast food < 1320781548 838406 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1320781549 445392 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: True, true. < 1320781560 380247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, how do you do gingerbread for xmas over there? < 1320781563 361231 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: oh, well, in the south that's just a thing we do to biscuits, apparently. < 1320781564 8505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: whatever they are they're delicious, there's another one with almonds i think? < 1320781566 467605 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But I tend to not assume people outside the US don't memorise a list of states. < 1320781571 946203 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Ah. < 1320781579 690600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: possible, there are many variants of the basic recipe < 1320781593 653562 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, s/don't// < 1320781593 728958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I think if you mentioned a state most people here would recognise it as one, by and large. < 1320781595 115516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: literally the name translates to "pepper cookies/biscuits/whatever" < 1320781596 86029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I will soothe my eyes with scones that have not been mutilated. < 1320781598 736154 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some gingerbread is good. other gingerbread is awful. < 1320781601 86842 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Feh. < 1320781602 891935 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Let's be honest though, scones aren't actually all that good. < 1320781607 304374 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1320781608 444499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but I know at least one recipe that have no pepper < 1320781611 478079 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1320781612 734348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I mean yes they're good. < 1320781614 262109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will not talk to you ever again. < 1320781618 72410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But they're so easy to fuck up! < 1320781620 912627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1320781622 568774 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You *know* you want biscuits & gravy. < 1320781632 267641 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gravy: it is delicious. < 1320781632 439131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's like, you keep reaching for this unattainable state of perfect scone. < 1320781637 161840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all you get are Failed Scones. < 1320781640 645593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: anyway, how do you do gingerbread for xmas over there? < 1320781642 85692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The average sconesperience is not good. < 1320781646 873618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not like the IKEA ones? < 1320781647 639326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, you are just a terrible sconesmith. < 1320781649 742176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not in that shape. < 1320781654 809063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → food (non-scone).
< 1320781657 286232 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK show me a good scone. < 1320781665 569439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I will drive to Edinburgh. < 1320781681 701826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, there are many shapes over here. Xmas trees. People (which sounds strange when you think about it), hearts. Circles. < 1320781684 193677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1320781694 862629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the heart shape is probably most common < 1320781729 374396 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haert shape? < 1320781740 630199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said heart < 1320781740 877271 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Gingerbread_house_8.jpg challenge: eat without vomiting < 1320781745 552835 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥, I assume. < 1320781754 156779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yes, what else? < 1320781754 209276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ikea to drop famous Swedish food brands < 1320781754 298548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 October 2011 | news Newsdesk < 1320781754 351265 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish furnishing giant Ikea is undergoing a change and will soon rid their food shelves of anything not bearing it’s name. < 1320781754 351415 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People outside of Sweden craving Swedish-brand eats have made a habit of frequenting Ikea stores around the world in order to find such things as Cloetta chocolate, Abba herring, Kalle's caviar spread, and cookies by Göteborgskex. < 1320781755 545542 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm, gingerbread. < 1320781756 244526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But soon, those looking for a taste of Sweden will instead have to settle for Ikea-branded approximations following a decision by the company to move to own-branded foods. < 1320781759 439376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1320781761 406140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1320781763 406998 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1320781765 439787 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1320781766 820024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Gingerbread_house_8.jpg challenge: eat without vomiting <-- what? It looks delicious < 1320781779 789087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: though maybe a bit at a time < 1320781782 879893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Good luck with the parts that are basically thick raw sugar :P < 1320781796 184369 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, I wouldn't eat it all in one meal of course < 1320781796 557548 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks too sugary for me < 1320781800 552760 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Probably not that bad in the US, though. < 1320781806 654349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway I like sugar :P < 1320781813 369925 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully that gingerbread isg ood gingrebread and not bad gingerbread < 1320781813 422362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: please don't mention anna anka in polite company < 1320781817 529284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I doubt it would be healthy though < 1320781818 54563 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, jesus, I can find fucking lutefisk in the US, I'd imagine it wouldn't be hard to find Swedish foods. < 1320781822 195074 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only gingerbread houses i've had were bad gingerbread < 1320781824 716468 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sounds like a nursery rhyme < 1320781837 420266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you gotten a digestive biscuit yet < 1320781839 517713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: lutefisk is Norwegian when spelled like that at least. < 1320781840 129959 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1320781844 895785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What are your opinions on rich teas. < 1320781847 294220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Swedish spelling is lutfisk. < 1320781860 375325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: BTW get a fucking digestive and dunk it into some tea and eat it. < 1320781861 884887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anyone under the age of 70 that eats lutfisl < 1320781865 431599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lutfisk* < 1320781877 689724 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote rotting sea life < 1320781879 655807 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, I'm aware. Still, if I can find *lutefisk*, I'd imagine it's not hard to find anything Scandinavian. :) < 1320781879 821541 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :100) think of all the starving kids in china who don't have rotting sea life to eat < 1320781882 820244 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i-cdn.apartmenttherapy.com/uimages/kitchen/2011_03_20-ShrimpGrits2.jpg oh my god this looks amazing. < 1320781890 888819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: hm. Surströmming? < 1320781891 3516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ;__; < 1320781894 267118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :america is devil < 1320781895 751275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :country < 1320781903 518866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: if the answer is yes, then I'm scared. < 1320781910 897289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should never have been exported < 1320781911 997902 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think most americans eat grits actually. < 1320781937 982251 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Might have to make a trip of it, but I have no doubt I could find it. < 1320781941 490922 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1320781944 776553 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ikea published a cookbook < 1320781945 346070 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1320781946 893337 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/10/ikea-cook.png < 1320781952 214773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(found when googling for ikea biscuits) < 1320781957 840181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at that butter pyramid oh my god < 1320781984 296054 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/10/orange-ikea.png :DDDD < 1320781989 600868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: btw I suspect that in Sweden, lutfisk will be pretty much gone in 30-40 years from mainstream shops. < 1320782013 444216 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mmmmm. I too am a cocaine afficionado < 1320782019 277263 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still fairly commonly consumed in rural areas of Minnesotta. < 1320782019 329886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : look at that butter pyramid oh my god <-- sure that is butter? < 1320782025 327500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/10/semlor-ikea.png "recipe contains semen" < 1320782030 303842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes but < 1320782032 873631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: look at the tiny eggs omg < 1320782037 806426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the best way to list ingredients ever < 1320782038 680305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought it was white chocolate... < 1320782053 15119 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nah, that's butter < 1320782055 391863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure < 1320782057 722461 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: semen and coke: a hookers best griends. < 1320782064 254340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait what are the white mountains to the left in the first picture then < 1320782065 650881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's gingerbread cookies apparentl < 1320782066 18019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1320782071 385173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and icing sugar? < 1320782075 178447 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see < 1320782084 620778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure where the ginger is there. < 1320782087 701733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's the < 1320782088 730084 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|> < 1320782089 832674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :triangle < 1320782091 853601 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Seems it's actually really non-trivial to find surströmming in the US. < 1320782092 3145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they do the ingredient lists like that in the book? < 1320782096 11548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep! < 1320782099 505636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is a 140 page coffee-table recipe book, containing 30 classic Swedish baking recipes--everything from small biscuits to large cakes. For each recipe, there are two images: one of the ingredients and one of the finished item." < 1320782115 454315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hoped that meant it had no instructions < 1320782117 382331 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess it dose < 1320782118 286803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does < 1320782118 673949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so where is the scale for figuring out how to calculate the amount from the pictures < 1320782119 681000 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a crapshoot to see if it gets past customs; it'll either go through or get turned down for being rotten. < 1320782135 701820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: swedes may be a little unfamiliar with this idea. but it's called approximation < 1320782148 701911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know about it, I just don't like it < 1320782186 651028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: besides calculating the area of the diagonal line in http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/10/orange-ikea.png seems non-trivial to me. And unlike the eggs in the first there is no known object to compare against < 1320782188 239586 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[...] designed perhaps for the tradition of "dunking" in cups of tea; hence preventing the collapse of the biscuit and ruining of the beverage." < 1320782205 283943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's because you're not meant to calculate it < 1320782221 276989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: heh < 1320782224 588775 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1320782229 967026 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: pikhq_: monqy: apologise for oreos < 1320782233 469495 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the three sticks of butter probably is a good reference point. < 1320782236 228899 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: never. < 1320782241 432773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oreos are so bad < 1320782242 355218 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh there is a separate ingredient list? < 1320782246 871532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1320782253 27594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, you're meant to approximate using intuition < 1320782256 533337 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they're not my favorite, no. < 1320782258 286956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you know how they're meant to be chocolate flavoured < 1320782258 898129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1320782260 501320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the black bits < 1320782262 811868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are meant to taste like chocolate < 1320782263 184294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1320782266 715621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :break one off sometime < 1320782268 558928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and chew on it < 1320782269 96058 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oreos......................................................... < 1320782270 173210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and think about the taste < 1320782271 802789 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tell me honestly < 1320782274 24144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it tastes like chocolate < 1320782275 119908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1320782278 464604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what it tastes like? < 1320782281 735744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blackness + sugar < 1320782284 355532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: wait what? The only sticks of butter I know of are 1-kg ones. < 1320782286 477607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear america < 1320782287 345319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chocolate < 1320782290 102720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not taste like blackness < 1320782294 353538 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody find me an image macro with Shatner going "NYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!" and Nyan cat. < 1320782295 667458 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some cookies are good, but oreos are not them < 1320782300 904252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: 3 kg butter? Come on < 1320782312 786957 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oreos COULD have been good < 1320782320 567936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: if the biscuit part actually tasted like chocolate < 1320782322 998612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but you know what < 1320782323 217007 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, oreos are supposed to be chocolate? < 1320782325 276127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: those already exists < 1320782326 496809 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those not sticks of butter in http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/10/orange-ikea.png ? < 1320782327 740152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY'RE CALLED BOURBONS < 1320782331 105185 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :recipes use a lot of butter, sir. < 1320782338 41735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO BASICALLY FUCK AMERICA??? < 1320782339 287173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes. < 1320782351 549733 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as we all know, the USA pretty much sucks at chocolate. < 1320782356 157632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: at least, if they're not intending to, they're quite obviously TRYING to emulate chocolate < 1320782359 868736 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're a nation that seriously believes that Hershey's is good. < 1320782373 673248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never had hershey's < 1320782375 657651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes me quite happy < 1320782376 158590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1320782377 726175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know < 1320782380 758781 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cadburys products in the us < 1320782382 610557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: sure, then look at the scale of the whole thing. That diagonal bar is like 80 cm from end to end... < 1320782384 332719 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are made completely different to in the uk < 1320782386 762901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're poisoning your minds < 1320782390 65931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by making you think cadburys sucks < 1320782391 959279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god it doesn't < 1320782393 106371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come home to us < 1320782395 236815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we will show you chocolate < 1320782397 593807 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is so good < 1320782397 679919 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yup, but luckily, Cadbury's is rare here. < 1320782400 931559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that will generate a huge amount of food < 1320782406 732988 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've had chocolate in the UK ... also had it in Paris so nya :P < 1320782416 416839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: have you tasted real uk cadburys because < 1320782417 799991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so good < 1320782425 501423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man this reminds me of that daily mail article i found < 1320782429 357207 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it literally compared Milka chocolate to hitler < 1320782433 53567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear to god < 1320782437 400394 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have. < 1320782437 829361 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that the US sucks at chocolate, we suck at food regulation. < 1320782445 991465 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But I also made the mistake of trying Turkish Delight. < 1320782446 317844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1275526/Cadbury-owner-plugs-inferior-Milka-bar-chocolate-lovers-say-Krafty-sideline-Dairy-Milk.html < 1320782446 809035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HERE IT IS < 1320782448 763031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they literally say < 1320782451 180517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the nazis had milka < 1320782455 52879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :read it < 1320782455 609331 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wonder how anyone could think that earwax flavor in chocolate is good. < 1320782456 418936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will be < 1320782457 66961 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so amazed < 1320782464 499380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Turkish Delight is, uh, yeah. < 1320782464 994582 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our "chocolate" is generally made to the legal standard for what "chocolate" is. < 1320782465 47802 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back. < 1320782475 258204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Do you remember that Daily Mail article. < 1320782478 167573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That I linked. < 1320782481 894592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That compared Milka to Nazism. < 1320782491 617722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: What are your opinions on rich teas. < 1320782494 193953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eugh. < 1320782497 268852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no. < 1320782508 348875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"THE chocolate snobs would have you believe that Dairy Milik is cheap, bland and artificial, lacking depth and complexity. Waxy chocolate for the masses, they sneer, while nibbling on some ghastly lavender-infused, organic creation." < 1320782508 962762 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/08/article-1275526-097A1C72000005DC-886_468x681.jpg < 1320782509 185099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTUAL < 1320782509 785248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING < 1320782510 274734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUOTE < 1320782511 134201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIRECT < 1320782511 639557 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING < 1320782513 586077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUOTE < 1320782536 720343 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dull and insipid, like Berne on a wet night" GOD < 1320782544 625468 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, milk chocolate is terrible. < 1320782549 624101 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And people who like milk chocolate should feel bad. < 1320782556 187623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: have you tasted real uk cadburys because <-- the only real chocolate is from continental Europe IMO < 1320782558 893348 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1320782565 585227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly French or Belgian < 1320782578 310550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The chocolate was created in 1901 by Swiss chocolate company Suchard. Both The Kaiser’s and Hitler’s troops took Milka chocolate to war. < 1320782578 362918 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1275526/Cadbury-owner-plugs-inferior-Milka-bar-chocolate-lovers-say-Krafty-sideline-Dairy-Milk.html#ixzz1d97FjOnQ" < 1320782580 305596 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i repeat < 1320782581 418381 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTUAL QUOTE < 1320782583 57082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes, but your opinions are universally head-meltingly Vorpid so we all ignore them. < 1320782584 331581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that tynt bullshit < 1320782593 986682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, Switzerland is okay too < 1320782603 692353 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: US milk chocolate is only 10% cocoa, and is generally made from milk that's gone a little bit bad. < 1320782608 388402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what about 100% pure Valrona? < 1320782613 715519 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I'm not referring to US any kind of chocolate. < 1320782619 664602 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: US chocolate isn't chocolate, it's a joke. < 1320782620 327293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err spelling < 1320782626 412936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Valrhona < 1320782628 438026 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: But even legit milk chocolate is terrible. < 1320782631 956721 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jones’s paper [about classes over type constructors] appeared in 1993, the same year that monads became popular for I/O (Section 7). " < 1320782632 853043 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EU milk chocolate is 25% cocoa, and can't pull that shit. < 1320782646 809147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Anyway I quite like Rich Teas but the context has to be right. < 1320782647 781745 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stuff in [] was my edit < 1320782654 699347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They really rely on a high-quality, fresh biscuit and a good tea. < 1320782661 926634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they don't. < 1320782671 7121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do. You're just a bad richteasmith. < 1320782695 846284 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're made of loosely-caked crumbs which disintegrate when held in tea for more than a fraction of a second, and, unlike digestives, they are bland and joyless when eaten alone. < 1320782723 196963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Damn, Scots must get really bad rich teas. They're quite structurally sound over here. < 1320782725 706456 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, digestives are better. < 1320782741 926262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I prefer less milk in my chocolate. Try proper French chocolate some time. Tends to be expensive though < 1320782744 564277 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im food envy < 1320782747 718199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Join in the biscuit discussion! < 1320782756 367235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Come to England. We will accept you. < 1320782766 163927 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe when i can < 1320782773 849701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to Scotland, we have haggis. < 1320782774 678413 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for a few years at least i cannot < 1320782784 180775 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Sneak. < 1320782796 343498 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sneak across the atlantic. < 1320782809 993032 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have, actually. < 1320782817 891210 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus fuck that was good. < 1320782824 549781 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiptoe across the atlantic < 1320782826 441596 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, milk chocolate is nice. < 1320782835 199673 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only joyless people, or those who haven't actually had good milk chocolate, claim otherwise. < 1320782841 538380 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: US milk "chocolate" is shitty. < 1320782843 529890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody's saying it isn't except Gregor, and FFS he's anosmic. < 1320782848 902708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So is Vorpal. < 1320782853 633647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he doesn't count as a person. < 1320782875 109434 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i have had good chocolate but i cannot recall < 1320782877 568129 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's made with *spoiled milk* for goodness sake. < 1320782880 917977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Vorpal is wittering on about what specific type of milk chocolate he likes. < 1320782881 704689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure milk chocolate can be okay. But compare it to dark chocolate... < 1320782882 522406 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: come to the south. we have good food. < 1320782883 828806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: actually I'm going to make a cup of hot chocolate now, From 100% pure Valrhona. I will however add just a tiny bit of sugar to that. < 1320782886 950839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maaan libcurl is way too big. < 1320782887 963863 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: no never < 1320782894 160132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, he's talking about the ~best~ dark chocolate. < 1320782898 22538 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, so your chocolate is more cheesy than your cheese? < 1320782899 217175 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i never want to do is go to the southe < 1320782899 733006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no < 1320782905 217288 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1320782906 583779 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Milk chocolate is more enjoyable than 99% of dark chocolate and that's that. < 1320782914 637962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not at all. < 1320782916 892624 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, you can go south from California? < 1320782920 163601 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: cheese is typically made from extremely fresh milk.... < 1320782921 992218 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1320782922 356950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: See exception (a) to my rule. < 1320782926 494955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tastes just differ. I guess you don't have a grown up taste yet. < 1320782928 469274 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, enlighten CakeProphet. < 1320782931 108466 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to go to mexico either < 1320782939 537947 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is mexico good? < 1320782939 659227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, you're just a member of "joyless people". < 1320782948 925179 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Cheese is either coagulated milk or coagulated, carefully rotten milk. < 1320782956 850375 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1320782958 447080 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not rotten < 1320782959 314119 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all. < 1320782963 654808 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Re milk chocolate) Mind you I also hate milk :P < 1320782963 815813 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :coagulated, yes. soured, yes. < 1320782969 621496 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the milk is fresh when all of this happens. < 1320782976 633500 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some cheese is good. other cheese is bad. < 1320782981 648848 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : - monqy < 1320782986 771079 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allowed to have bacteria and fungi consume it and release waste products, yes. < 1320782996 310149 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a process we generally call "rotting". < 1320782998 598571 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All cheese is bad. Other cheese is worse. - Gregor < 1320783023 5373 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: it's similar sure, but with rotting there isn't any control over what kinds of bacteria < 1320783034 425897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is bad. - Gregor < 1320783049 813692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, it was a jibe at American cheese food product, not a discussion on the manufacture of cheese, actually. < 1320783055 148104 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaah -aaaaaaaah < 1320783055 776804 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Milk chocolate fnarfs quite horrible. < 1320783064 100106 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor smells - gregor's mother < 1320783068 832981 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You fnarf horrible. < 1320783087 227487 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, right. < 1320783101 460333 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I would fnarf just fine if prepared properly. < 1320783114 377028 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :american cheese is awful < 1320783129 590160 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calling it 'cheese' demeans cheese. < 1320783132 615079 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1320783143 399216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Cheesoid' is perhaps sufficient. < 1320783150 324942 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choid. < 1320783151 563575 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys have you ever had aerosol cheese? I can't recall if I ever have < 1320783157 959046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1320783158 196592 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: American cheese is a "wonderful" thing. It consists of a mixture of milk, whey, milkfat, milk protein concentrate, whey protein concentrate, salt, and an emulsifier. < 1320783166 219648 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Official support channel for Web o' Flies | Also official channel of Velveeta™ | Velveeta™: Why cheese, when you can Velveeta!® | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1320783173 437744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You removed the assignments. < 1320783180 452391 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: These things happen. < 1320783192 76435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: atehwa will be sad. < 1320783204 190432 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: American cheese food product is even more amazing: it can contain 0% milk! < 1320783233 526737 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, and it's commonly *extruded* into individual slices. < 1320783240 707611 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's available in *aerosol cans*. < 1320783256 542698 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :America, Land of the Brave, Land of the Free, and Land of Crappy Cheese. < 1320783259 181282 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:Easy_cheese2.jpg I shit you not. < 1320783279 84382 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I'm aware of such concoctions. < 1320783280 515336 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it even has the audacity to claim to be real cheese. < 1320783310 112709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, no it doesn't, it states quite clearly that it's a pressurised cheese snack. < 1320783317 402709 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: To be fair, it's not actually aerosol in it :P < 1320783320 450554 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Picture taken by myself in my office, to help show a better picture of Easy Cheese." < 1320783331 823614 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :provolone ftw < 1320783332 764750 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It then has a thing there that says "REAL Kraft™ CHEESE" < 1320783345 403583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should call it Easy "Cheese" < 1320783349 320381 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just scare-quote every fake product < 1320783351 593692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Kraft* cheese. < 1320783355 170395 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually there'll be like < 1320783357 562591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kraft" Cheese < 1320783360 760591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :real cheese from fake kraft! < 1320783362 247682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *cheese* cheese. < 1320783385 723803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320783387 796049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : that the nazis had milka <-- well they obviously needed something to eat with their fanta < 1320783405 401194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues to boggle at KDE programs loading faster than Gnome programs nowadays
< 1320783410 25119 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, would it be possible to put real cheese into a good spray? < 1320783417 326080 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Wonder Bread, Spam and Easy Cheese: Best sandwich? < 1320783422 703636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: No :P < 1320783423 862287 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that spray is a good idea at all < 1320783429 596696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh god. < 1320783436 577113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm using Gnome 2's shell, so I'd assume that Gnome's libraries would be hotter in cache) < 1320783441 108864 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, maybe if you used cottage cheese or something? < 1320783450 581530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BTW do you have any Bread Recommendations, I feel like the quality of bread in general has gone down in recent years? < 1320783467 924217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just eats bread when I gets bread. < 1320783469 280038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't really, I'm having severe problem finding breads I like < 1320783484 403057 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I recommend cake. < 1320783484 527427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typically prefer rolls to loaves < 1320783484 902198 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol@"I just eats bread when I gets bread" < 1320783485 693607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : And people who like milk chocolate should feel bad. <-- THAT'S IT YOU'RE AT WAR WITH NORWAY NOW < 1320783499 836311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ditto. < 1320783517 320078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, perpetually ten minutes in the past. < 1320783521 367361 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer rice to bread (because it is an alternative) < 1320783544 158822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because I find it hard to find a brand of loaf I'm OK with < 1320783554 925248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typically I don't mind sliced brown bread so much, whatever the manufacturer < 1320783573 36676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the really cheap own-brand stuff tastes OK for me for the purposes for which I mostly use bread, although it's not so good for sandwiches) < 1320783595 868887 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :solution, just use fried chicken breasts as your bread. < 1320783611 189613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fresh, unsliced rolls you can get from $supermarket_bakery are pretty good, but make for lousy toast. < 1320783616 716412 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Down_(sandwich) < 1320783634 390720 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Praise be to America! < 1320783640 517522 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :use doughnuts as bread < 1320783673 940077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: What does that thing actually taste like. < 1320783679 497200 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: like I know. < 1320783685 92079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to hate it, but... it's chicken and bacon... < 1320783685 530219 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so much 100 percent premium chicken, we didn't have room for a bun." < 1320783687 232457 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know of noöne brave enough to try :P < 1320783692 620949 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I can kind of imagine what it tastes like. < 1320783699 511758 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's kfc chicken < 1320783701 540897 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i.e. gross < 1320783717 543640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, I ate some just a few minutes ago, but it wasn't from KFC < 1320783717 635577 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Luther_Burger < 1320783721 864713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but from $generic_fish_and_chip_shop < 1320783723 845602 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yes that < 1320783743 618092 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: KFC are the best common non-fish-and-chips fast food outlet I know of, but ISTR their fillets are pretty gross, so eh < 1320783752 214945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Wh... < 1320783759 977805 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe british kfc is better than american kfc < 1320783787 226519 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Attack_Grill < 1320783797 256917 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats Luther Burger < 1320783807 298984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The establishment is a hospital theme restaurant: waitresses ("nurses") take orders ("prescriptions") from the customers ("patients"). A tag is wrapped on the patient's wrist showing which foods they order and a "doctor" examines the "patients" with a stethoscope. The menu includes "Single", "Double", "Triple", and "Quadruple Bypass" hamburgers" < 1320783809 38168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, actually my favourite common fast food chain is Burger King < 1320783815 112151 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Remember: this is a country that has such a thing as "deep fried butter". < 1320783828 218368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : All cheese is bad. Other cheese is worse. - Gregor <-- really? Cheese in general is awesome, though there might be specific variants of cheese that I'm not personally a fan of. < 1320783830 269866 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't actually have any experience with Burger King so that may be < 1320783833 509278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an aside, I went to a McDonalds in Canada once, and it was actually mindbogglingly superior to the version they had in the UK < 1320783835 668888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is no fast food expert.
< 1320783845 313892 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't like any dairy products. < 1320783845 739476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see why North Americans hate UK fast food chains that much < 1320783846 626655 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Cheese may taste good, but it seems to fnarf terrible. < 1320783850 206509 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's British KFC? Kent Fried Chicken? < 1320783858 243243 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: McDonalds in Canada is, near I can tell, I totally unrelated chain to McDonalds everywhere else. < 1320783858 415609 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kent Fried Chicken :D < 1320783863 520850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : monqy: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Luther_Burger <-- the crap?! < 1320783867 914066 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/, I totally/, a totally/ < 1320783869 701094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hmm < 1320783871 265971 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote There's British KFC? Kent Fried Chicken? < 1320783873 582297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: fnarf? < 1320783873 699819 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :713) There's British KFC? Kent Fried Chicken? < 1320783875 904868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: what? < 1320783876 695074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had pretty much the same menu items as in the UK < 1320783879 340848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just meant different things < 1320783880 849003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Gregor's sense. < 1320783891 229104 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Gregor doesn't have a sense of taste, he has a sense of fnarf. < 1320783902 541397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAAAY < 1320783905 204163 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, what is actually in Kent, I am not entirely sure it exists. < 1320783907 132033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Gregor is anosmic. < 1320783908 863608 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor "tasteless" richards < 1320783910 600669 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: From what I understand, McDonalds is pretty much *identical* world-wide. Except apparently Canada? < 1320783914 138603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY HYPOSMIC OR W/E < 1320783923 377173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I thought Japanese McDonalds was wildly different. < 1320783934 589878 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :McDonald's isn't anywhere near identical worldwide. < 1320783939 278060 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're very adaptive, actually. < 1320783948 105312 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a few staples that are the same everywhere, but that's it. < 1320783949 129156 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vUALNnFd_tE/Sj8-aWMGzGI/AAAAAAAAAUk/l6SKDtZ-kH8/s320/bypassburger.jpg < 1320783952 390320 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for reference < 1320783955 61605 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Japanese McDonalds mostly just has racist marketing. < 1320783958 372223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: if I eat hamburger in Sweden I do it at Max: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Max_Hamburgers < 1320783961 233031 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose in Canada and Australia it's QFC, Quebec Fried Chicken or Queensland Fried Chicken respectively < 1320783967 529904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, racist to whom? < 1320783970 373919 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I thought they had, like, really good beef or something. Or at least I've heard that. < 1320783971 800742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Cows. < 1320783976 801666 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Caucasians. < 1320783978 513718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_ (and other Americans who care): the UK version of McDonalds works pretty much via taking the basic ingredients of a McDonalds meal, submerging them in oil and then serving the result < 1320783982 665820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Same thing. < 1320783988 96315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, apart from things like lettuce, which are just served raw < 1320783990 674489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cowcasians. < 1320783998 826849 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sounds utterly authentic to US McDonalds. < 1320783999 265295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: They could optimise that. Oil lettuce. < 1320784009 523032 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :double oil < 1320784010 395056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chips/fries end up incredibly bland as a result, and they add vast amounts of salt to cover this up < 1320784016 86193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, perpetually ten minutes in the past. <-- LIES < 1320784026 224435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: To be fair, the submerge-in-oil-and-serve-the-result method can sometimes be effective, cf. doughnuts. < 1320784034 803070 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, please tell me you waited ten minutes until saying that. < 1320784037 164007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or the typical fish and chip shop < 1320784044 464834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Indeed. < 1320784046 854456 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Perfectly authentic! < 1320784050 273725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not complaining about that, so much as that they don't do anything to the ingredients beforehand < 1320784062 65298 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My incredibly slow, inefficient, and badly written program is running < 1320784063 371592 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq_ (and other Americans who care): the UK version of McDonalds works pretty much via taking the basic ingredients of a McDonalds meal, submerging them in oil and then serving the result // ais523: I thought this was the UK's version of all cooking? < 1320784076 480211 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 'Cept curry. < 1320784079 864190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to future civilisations: Yes, this is really what the 21st century is like. < 1320784082 470086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oddly, no < 1320784088 313956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That isn't even in line with the stereotypes. < 1320784090 739140 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :future envy < 1320784090 983043 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :future envy < 1320784100 263415 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the stereotype is boiling, not frying. :) < 1320784101 43219 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You're meant to think we exclusively eat ridiculously bland, quaint stuff. < 1320784106 411604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no oil involved in that :P < 1320784114 257744 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boil it until it the flavor's leached out! < 1320784117 148197 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Curry is stolen :P < 1320784120 683035 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fish and chips. < 1320784128 585084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, why are you so envious of the future? < 1320784128 815320 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oil tea < 1320784129 891762 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's just that you can do even deep fried blandly. < 1320784131 324452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: actually, most good UK food works via stealing it from someone else, then modifying it into something entirely different < 1320784134 261669 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Meh, curry got stolen by everyone. < 1320784139 724277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, please tell me you waited ten minutes until saying that. <-- more like 9 minutes < 1320784142 972033 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: 'struth, even I stole it :P < 1320784144 215199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sounds like you've never had fish and chips!!!!!!! < 1320784146 690132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK version of curry is unlike that in India < 1320784159 228294 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't like fish either 8-D < 1320784161 978361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the extent that imported Indian chefs can't cook it very well without special training < 1320784163 38688 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Madras curry < 1320784170 115044 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But I've had chicken and chips at a fish and chips place in the UK :P < 1320784171 155929 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe future isn't bad < 1320784173 301649 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it most likely is < 1320784175 69779 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curry is original, it didn't even really exist in India IIRC, it's just meant to taste vaguely Indian < 1320784178 910140 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :future pity < 1320784182 538497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You probably hate vinegar or something like that because you're not human. < 1320784199 932666 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, it's not like the UK is unique in having done strange things to curry. < 1320784201 443994 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: Well, the term "curry" refers to a billion things. < 1320784205 429675 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like vinegar! < 1320784207 383253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hmm, last Friday I broke the pattern, but previously, I'd been trying a large number of fast food outlets within walking distance of my route home < 1320784210 623919 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, every Asian country has their own rendition of it by now. < 1320784215 232457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ordering a chicken burger at each of them, to compare < 1320784217 512510 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, please consider that being a culinary nazi is rather pointless when one judges food on an entirely different basis to normal people. < 1320784219 932284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Then fish and chip chips are pretty much right up your alley? :P < 1320784223 965535 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it basically means throwing a bunch of random spices together, right? < 1320784227 862021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cheese because I don't eat cheese, plus chips were appropriate < 1320784233 128054 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're pretty much designed as a host for ridiculous amounts of vinegar. < 1320784237 782300 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1320784249 932704 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-swggqfwewwjcnshd JOIN :#esoteric < 1320784250 569959 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-swggqfwewwjcnshd QUIT :Changing host < 1320784250 622417 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1320784252 654766 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: It means "sauce". < 1320784255 50424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: would you believe it if I said I liked chips both with and without vinegar, but had a marginal preference for without? < 1320784256 545956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't eat cheese? < 1320784260 420510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why on earth < 1320784260 926238 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Shutuppayouface! < 1320784263 472453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, my parents *do not understand this*. < 1320784265 181280 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: He's not allowed to. < 1320784265 391170 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can imagine, this is really insanely varied. < 1320784266 164137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite different to not liking vinegar < 1320784271 704641 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They would be, except I don't like fish :( < 1320784271 940073 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I mean the English meaning, not the meaning of whatever Hindi word it was borrowed from < 1320784272 59990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: doctors order? < 1320784275 524793 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i like fish and chips < 1320784276 629850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have a huge range of bizarre food intolerances < 1320784280 772957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see < 1320784285 616081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They respond with astonishment when I saturate chips with vinegar. < 1320784286 609120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some more specific than others < 1320784286 859580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :( < 1320784289 894045 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: Ah. Yeah, that's just a vague imitation of Indian spicing. < 1320784291 289629 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: Primarily coriander, cumin, chili peppers and typically turmeric. < 1320784293 880505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ask ais523 about that time he was on a completely neutral drink! < 1320784297 151226 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neutral isn't the word. < 1320784301 701709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of what the word would be. < 1320784310 255280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, please tell me you waited ten minutes until saying that. <-- nope. < 1320784310 504621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I know I don't have any actual /allergies/ < 1320784310 625861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ph 7? < 1320784312 474913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes well that is parents for you. < 1320784317 732363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how specific are we talking about here? < 1320784317 971634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I go a bit crazy if I eat the wrong things < 1320784329 215585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: we're not sure, the results were self-contradictory < 1320784337 332755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and nobody will stop harping on about that time I drank some vinegar from the bottle. < 1320784338 326740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you wait about 9 minutes though? < 1320784341 385507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I... < 1320784349 961828 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I may like vinegar, but WTF man. < 1320784351 504158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a list of things that they don't think I'm intolerant to, but I shouldn't eat anyway in case I become allergic to them < 1320784357 460733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was balsamic! < 1320784366 839874 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that's at least vaguely sane. < 1320784370 2564 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How do you distinguish between an existing tolerance and one that's developed by consuming it anyway :P < 1320784379 643593 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have a friend who drinks pickle brine >_> < 1320784388 658272 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wait, people consume vinegar that isn't balsamic? < 1320784396 419510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not a dietician < 1320784405 508478 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Apple Cider vinegar is OK ... < 1320784415 478429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dude, malt vinegar is the default chip vinegar. < 1320784416 102466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: huh... < 1320784417 165877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it involved spending my time dealing with people like me, I probably wouldn't want to be either < 1320784423 134309 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hates malt vinegar.
< 1320784438 633152 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's something about it that's just... wrong. < 1320784440 621826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I might be mixing up my vinegars X-D < 1320784442 886053 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't quite place it. < 1320784446 246831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :towards the end, they basically gave up, concluding that there was a reasonably stable base of things that I could probably eat which was enough to live on < 1320784447 963283 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sister is allergic to most raw fruits aside from citrus < 1320784454 780511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, balsamic is the dark brown stuff. < 1320784458 794487 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm alergic to atoms. < 1320784459 799530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: could it be some weird form of hypochondria or placebo effect or such behind the contradicting results? < 1320784468 879897 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Balsamic is the one made from grape juice. < 1320784469 606469 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used frequently on salads. < 1320784473 85341 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Isn't malt vinegar dark brown too... < 1320784474 132481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's entirely possible < 1320784477 512174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, please tell me you waited ten minutes until saying that. <-- more like 9 minutes <-- see? lies! < 1320784479 958239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope, it's transparent. < 1320784487 337669 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1320784488 388356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ... < 1320784494 177726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I stop being lawful good if I eat the wrong food, so it's obviously in my interest to avoid it < 1320784495 846140 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Uh, that's white vinegar. < 1320784507 284107 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, malt is light brown. < 1320784509 788425 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, it's that easy to stop you being lawful good? < 1320784512 901635 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is generally made *from* malt vinegar, but only because that's cheap. < 1320784514 821429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: meet you in birmingham < 1320784525 34058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's quite hard to get me to eat the wrong food, as a result < 1320784529 348904 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When distilling acetic acid, who cares what the source is? :) < 1320784530 243040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't turn evil or anything < 1320784533 979376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more… primal, or whatever < 1320784540 807757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a little hard to describe < 1320784543 932035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, to remember after the event < 1320784550 646764 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're lawful? Odd, most FOSS people are chaotic < 1320784552 612956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just get confused because it looks clear when you put it on things. < 1320784558 817876 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1320784565 722752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: I've been repeatedly accused of being lawful good until I started believing it myself < 1320784571 467759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: You probably hate vinegar or something like that because you're not human. <-- hey i don't like vinegar :( < 1320784573 397604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's kind-of easy to see why, to be fair < 1320784576 299960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So chaotic good then when you ate the wrong food? < 1320784576 852246 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: "Lawful" says you want law and order, not that you support *the* law. < 1320784586 109757 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, but you're Norwegian. < 1320784591 968257 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I know, but most FOSS people I want are chaotic even by that definition < 1320784593 437823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: more utterly ranting and nonsensical < 1320784594 570642 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1320784596 609216 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/want/know/ < 1320784598 445704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Would you be able to work on Feather in those conditions? < 1320784600 381541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, think any typical YouTube user < 1320784601 943438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sound ideal for the purpose. < 1320784608 947619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: You probably hate vinegar or something like that because you're not human. <-- hey i don't like vinegar :( <-- yes vinegar is horrible. < 1320784609 337806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coherency is optional, after all. < 1320784615 519496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you suck. < 1320784621 489916 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you are, as mentioned earlier, not a human < 1320784632 818660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not even sure what alignment that is < 1320784632 871387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can work on Feather in normal conditions, actually < 1320784640 487283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: neither am I, that's why I didn't call it one < 1320784644 749834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vinegar is wonderful and anyone who disagrees is wrong. < 1320784648 310613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably counts as true neutral via the defaulting rule < 1320784649 68815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK do it. < 1320784654 967854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1320784655 181285 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You need an extra dimension on the alignment chart. < 1320784664 578379 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Smart/neutral/stupid". < 1320784664 668001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you care /that much/ about Feather? < 1320784669 426869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: heh < 1320784670 431829 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd be chaotic neutral stupid. < 1320784673 265338 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Enough to tell you to work on it, yes. < 1320784683 370090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, after working on Feather for a few hours, it takes me several weeks to recover < 1320784689 282976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm perfectly sane when the process /stars/ < 1320784690 599149 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Feather? < 1320784692 250800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/starts/ < 1320784695 143352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: don't ask that question! < 1320784704 350489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can we train the bots to just get rid of anyone who asks what Feather is? < 1320784715 437418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I think D&D traditionally represents that as the Int value < 1320784717 361233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1320784721 230623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably via humane means? < 1320784722 439401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but only if you work on feather for me < 1320784727 682756 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants Feather
< 1320784737 18635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but then we'd be able to sensibly answer the question! < 1320784738 460223 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, but D&D stats suck. < 1320784743 824158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Feather. anyone worthy of knowing more than is written on that page gets to find out how to get a greppable copy of the logs themselves < 1320784748 511363 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: and read every log containing "feather" < 1320784749 758808 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Wisdom" is your ability to see things for goodness sake. < 1320784756 410496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: true. < 1320784759 583123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you think implementing feather will prove it sensible? < 1320784769 64985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: wait isn't Wis also for wizard spell casting? Or is that Int? < 1320784773 889844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: let's see… the sanest (but misleading) answer is "it's an inside joke", any /correct/ answer would be indistinguishable from trolling < 1320784776 148733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: did you wait about 9 minutes though? <-- no, i responded when i got to it. < 1320784794 506278 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Int is wizard spell casting. < 1320784795 655371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I believe Feather would make sense, if only I had an impl of it < 1320784798 85798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I think sorcerers use Cha or some stupid thingy though? < 1320784804 6562 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wis is cleric/druid spell casting. < 1320784804 254969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which never made any sense to me < 1320784808 829217 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cha is sorcerers. < 1320784815 557760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Cha is force of personality < 1320784817 981605 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't care about the casting state for non-primary casters. < 1320784821 421990 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My incredibly badly written bad program is essentially a ridiculously inefficient variant of Dijkstra's algorithm < 1320784821 549793 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm < 1320784824 605085 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/state/stats/ < 1320784827 524196 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Designed to write Piet programs < 1320784839 210433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: could eating the right sort of food cause you to code more Feather? < 1320784867 339922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :think that sorcerers are people who impose their will on the world just by being that badass < 1320784870 763474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's what I asked. < 1320784879 561770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : And I don't care about the casting state for non-primary casters. <-- wait, who else can cast than those we mentioned so far? < 1320784886 868829 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: man, i gotta become a sorceror < 1320784888 955426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than working out how to cast magic mathematically / thaumaturgically / whatever, they just glare at reality until it does what they want < 1320784892 198067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, I must have missed it what with the multiple convos going on at the same time < 1320784926 586245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: rangers, paladins < 1320784934 579636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bunch of custom and prestige classes, as always < 1320784934 918353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : helloerjan <-- hi monqy < 1320784935 638419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1320784946 225736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well I never really cared about those < 1320784965 16652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you're talking 4th edition, everyone casts < 1320784969 151549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1320784970 534485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1320784974 593308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact everyone is identical, in order to make the classes balanced, just with different flavour < 1320784977 924157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, it's not called spells < 1320784991 286037 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only used whatever system NWN1 uses. 3 iirc? < 1320784999 243474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : more… primal, or whatever <-- "normal"? < 1320785012 38770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 4th edition class abilities, even the ones that are called nonmagical, make no sense whatsoever < 1320785021 239553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you are NEVER going to catch up at this rate < 1320785021 292137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no < 1320785025 601523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's, umm, a lot like being drunk < 1320785033 701097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, how other people act when they're drunk < 1320785056 561703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get really emotional, and don't bother with trying to act sanely at all < 1320785066 551258 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Rangers, paladins, bards, splatbooks. < 1320785066 643488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got into fights sometimes in that state, too < 1320785073 659638 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Everybody* forgets about bards! < 1320785077 802425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: where does the name "splatbooks" come from? < 1320785082 755962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I consider bards primary casters < 1320785083 365833 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No idea. < 1320785090 491083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's the gnu tla of tabletop rpgs??? thx < 1320785094 728383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having played them at least once, possibly twice < 1320785097 140868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the monotone < 1320785101 756645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Rangers, paladins, bards, splatbooks. <-- splatbooks? What? < 1320785103 383035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are basically the only elements of any set i am interested in < 1320785105 384104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember that < 1320785111 711589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: you suck. <-- NO U < 1320785112 878003 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "splatbooks" are addon bullshit books. < 1320785117 630922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1320785123 323451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're what people try to sell you once you already have the rules < 1320785137 240729 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, well, there's also the more reasonable addon books. Those ones are in the D20 SRD, though. < 1320785144 331058 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. psionics handbook) < 1320785152 661404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I mostly played D&D through NWN1. I think the only pen & paper campaign I ever did used GURPS + a few house rules < 1320785164 994838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was several years ago though < 1320785168 47786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember much of it < 1320785169 199061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Neverwinter Nights 1 is based on D&D 3.0 < 1320785173 543217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right < 1320785181 835313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a few bugfixes taken from 3.5 or elsewhere < 1320785200 378975 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The distinction between 3.0 and 3.5 is fairly minor, though. < 1320785206 737789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1320785212 713189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're noticeably different, in that you'll notice the differences < 1320785218 265142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you won't care all that much about them < 1320785225 925910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1320785229 117522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noticeably different in that the differences are merely noticeable < 1320785231 709295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than being major < 1320785232 219155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :D&D 4 sounds horrible < 1320785243 341535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's basically an entirely different game from 1..3 < 1320785252 237058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has some interest as a wargame < 1320785258 635871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't seem like a sensible basis for an RPG < 1320785263 146469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: on the other hand I know a guy who refuses to play any D&D apart from AD&D 1. I don't understand why. < 1320785266 901632 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer GURPS anyway < 1320785278 259616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: GURPS has interesting grappling :P < 1320785278 504777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, D&D has got a lot less lethal over time < 1320785283 285273 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GURPS is a really fun system, though even *less* balanced than D&D. < 1320785297 455990 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say again? < 1320785306 350339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GURPS is what you get if you combine every roleplay concept ever together in one RPG < 1320785306 936801 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably impossible to be both balanced and generic, though. < 1320785308 784093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unehlfpul :'( < 1320785310 712085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try to make the rules cover all of tehm < 1320785319 891999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry, I'm trying to figure out what you mean by the tla and the monotone < 1320785321 780554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: you are NEVER going to catch up at this rate <-- plausible. < 1320785324 470503 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Works surprisingly well, considering. < 1320785329 862544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I feel that the RPG systems exist, but I don't know what they are < 1320785334 2804 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, if D&D is the SVN, or the git, or whatever you think it analogises closest to < 1320785339 346691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : GURPS is what you get if you combine every roleplay concept ever together in one RPG <-- yes kind of < 1320785350 319240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it is GURPS that have the insane grappling rules, isn't it? < 1320785352 416138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it D&D < 1320785356 929761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, GURPS ~ DCSS? < 1320785357 653699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever grappled in either < 1320785364 896374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :understanding through analogy is difficult :D < 1320785369 565674 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: D&D has the non-functioning grappling rules. < 1320785370 211383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: D&D's grappling rules are vaguely tacked on and look a little out of place < 1320785383 718557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they work much better in 3rd edition than they did in previous versions < 1320785384 343956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I mean the one with really really complex one < 1320785385 423166 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember how, but they actually break. < 1320785394 390119 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be D&D. < 1320785397 619920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1320785398 119164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. they look weird and only break occasionally, rather than looking weird and breaking all the time) < 1320785407 848221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1320785411 382438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: break in what way? < 1320785416 277998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could compare D&D 3 to svn decently < 1320785435 786879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as in references to table entry 59 in a 50 entry long table? < 1320785436 144241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't seen the 2nd edition "wrestling table", but it was apparently ridiculous < 1320785440 840314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas in 3rd ed, it's just fiddly < 1320785444 308494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1320785444 453931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and broken as in game balance < 1320785445 470094 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They lead you into undefined semantics. < 1320785450 854684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: :D < 1320785462 858737 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION opens up http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2010-12-14.txt and rolls eyes at "00:04:11: * oerjan ponders making a joke page for Feather"
< 1320785463 847295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could use DF's combat mechanics for that kind of thing? < 1320785502 426771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's 4, then? svk? < 1320785518 499334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: doing DF combat mechanics would only ever work in a computerised RPG. It would be unfeasible to do it for a pen & paper RPG < 1320785520 559240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2010-12-14 has a nicer UI < 1320785528 152591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: but that log is much newer than feather discussions < 1320785529 848391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: too much calculation involved. You would spend ages for each turn < 1320785543 182813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I mean using DF for the combat, duh < 1320785545 4980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: try !logs to get an rsync mirror of the logs then grep -i 'ais.*feather' ????-??-??.txt < 1320785548 156277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, I can mentally construct the VCS analogue of 4, but I'm not sure it exists < 1320785551 19882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ah < 1320785559 16163 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!los < 1320785560 292120 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1320785564 374398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably involve Facebook in some way, though < 1320785570 520783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :D < 1320785572 13446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ooh, that sounds like it needs making < 1320785578 543413 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, maybe Fossil? that has a wiki < 1320785589 901037 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I must figure out rsync < 1320785597 830579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: or hg < 1320785602 276651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1320785614 395328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pastelogs ais523.*Feather < 1320785617 391338 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what any of this even is, really < 1320785619 412765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs ais523.*Feather < 1320785627 498427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: good, you possibly don't want to < 1320785633 77747 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more inclined to say "imagine RCS, except done today, and in Python". < 1320785634 464936 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, rsync and hg and all taht < 1320785635 425964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, more likely you simply won't understand it < 1320785640 80200 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.28875 < 1320785650 28189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: feather is complicated. It involves time travel. And headaches. < 1320785666 880789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You have chosen to open: paste.28875 which is: a 23600 file" < 1320785668 55895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: what, that would be hg or bzr? < 1320785678 319549 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Neither. < 1320785681 965923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: hm < 1320785687 430615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: that link is relevant < 1320785704 379885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I've been working on Feather for /three years/ now? < 1320785713 436660 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: RCS is CVS, single-user. < 1320785715 942799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: FSVO working < 1320785718 908227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Darth_Cliche opens up http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2010-12-14.txt and rolls eyes at "00:04:11: * oerjan ponders making a joke page for Feather" <-- well i did, didn't i? < 1320785720 534822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: hm < 1320785720 634385 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oversimplification I know) < 1320785726 501362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: so what would it be in python then < 1320785735 498745 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That but ridiculous. < 1320785740 895210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1320785743 862502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : tusho: you would make the jquery UI available as IO commands that Feather could use < 1320785752 32005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway why would it make sense to compare RPG systems to VCSes? < 1320785759 804866 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't want to know what the context of that is < 1320785765 89567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will proceed to not find out < 1320785771 648055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: likewise ;) < 1320785791 797319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-10-19.txt:12:02:24: hmm... figuring out how to hot-change parts of a Feather program while it's running is a major problem < 1320785792 901706 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I could imagine that with Sgeo... But with you!? < 1320785797 811872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I still haven't solved that one < 1320785811 661555 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hey, ais523 is the one who said that line < 1320785813 381855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm coming across more fundamental problems in my attempt to get far enough to encounter that one < 1320785819 444445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes but directed to you < 1320785825 19779 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: like i said, let's not find out < 1320785827 967868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's the current problem? < 1320785870 123258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: writing an initial interpreter < 1320785879 453735 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Feather is a language involving time travel, which has evolved into an inside joke about it driving ais insane? < 1320785896 935380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Caught up, also, good night < 1320785899 391174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the solution we worked out between us of using CPS to get complete metacircularity will work < 1320785901 714679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I haven't tried it yet < 1320785912 41780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: that's a good approximation, I think < 1320785926 672712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it /does/ drive me insane, and this has happened enough to become an inside joke < 1320785927 556040 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320785952 506898 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how exactly are you supposed to implement it, anwyay? < 1320785961 373432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: it doesn't actually involve travel < 1320785963 507737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Grapple <-- yeah this looks complicated. Especially given all the tables too < 1320785963 790785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the illusion of such < 1320785985 778448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: part of the problem is that a Feather interp can only be implemented in Feather < 1320785990 236622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm trying to figure out how to get started < 1320786020 291328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: shouldn't a method similar to that of CLC-INTERCAL work? < 1320786021 784353 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: neutrino computer < 1320786026 355148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the trick, as far as I can tell, is that although a Feather interp must be written in Feather, a Feather-interp-in-Feather might potentially be runnable in something that isn't a Feather interp, and so can be written in another language) < 1320786031 607044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you start off with something, then you modify it into being Feather < 1320786047 707768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *retroactively modify it into being Feather < 1320786051 737839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, obviously < 1320786066 236687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you seriously think I /hadn't/ thought of that? < 1320786071 877541 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no < 1320786076 318486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you never know < 1320786093 484113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-04-01.txt:23:06:05: cpt_obvious: I suggest you ask in #feather-lang, I think it's empty atm so it'll be safe to ask < 1320786113 511569 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Britons: http://www.telltalegames.com/wallaceandgromit < 1320786127 910450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Old, no? < 1320786143 450751 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 'snot new, it's old enough for me to actually buy (read: now cheap :P ) < 1320786145 999875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: elliott solved a couple of major Feather-related problems of mine, anyway < 1320786156 186467 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow, i did? < 1320786158 626035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right < 1320786161 620631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: have i mentioned that time someone from telltale was on esowiki?? < 1320786163 893435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so good < 1320786164 394181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which ones? < 1320786173 160290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the one related to eigenratios < 1320786207 329573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah yes < 1320786221 274165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, now I can't remember the solution < 1320786245 567731 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how goes Scape🐐? < 1320786254 960653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: not as well as I'd like < 1320786266 735186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps I should implement Feather just to get elliott to implement scapegoat < 1320786287 115897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps even implement scapegoat myself, but the problem is that when elliott writes a program, it's superior to everyone else's programs that do the same thing < 1320786309 747957 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except mine) < 1320786321 750965 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make a good esolang, you need a shiny new concept < 1320786328 220094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what really? Or is that just what he thinks? < 1320786330 683079 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a new take on an old concept < 1320786331 47488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Scapegoat has been on the backburner pending a sufficiently interesting breakthrough for me to be jolted into beginning < 1320786372 304906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: e.g. a good scapegoat diff algorithm < 1320786374 240841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I thought you'd already started < 1320786382 289975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I have code < 1320786389 708908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's more the proof of concept type < 1320786396 570928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, does anyone have any feedback on Web of Lies yet? < 1320786408 303879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still doesn't work on a machine that i don't have to talk to via qemu < 1320786428 100190 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Never made it work >_> < 1320786429 1821 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly do you mean by retroactively modifying another language into Feather, anyway? < 1320786442 714907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: changing it so that it was Feather all along < 1320786452 577360 :Darth_Cliche!~Darth_Cli@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how? < 1320786452 698362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, you're getting dangerously close to me having to think about the answers < 1320786460 692205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than typing them out from memory < 1320786466 524084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's always vaguely dangerous < 1320786652 551106 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1320786676 842075 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche, by using Feather, of course < 1320786718 452498 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is there some description of feather somewhere? < 1320786759 848841 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1320786774 762589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh no, not you too < 1320786775 178203 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on, I'm Taneb! < 1320786782 637801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the short answer is: no < 1320786791 335942 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: grep -r feather < 1320786819 899297 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin_ < 1320786828 708659 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1320786834 591799 :copumpkin_!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1320786837 616579 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmkay, never mind then < 1320786908 210484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know you were asking about kerio earlier? this is self-parody, but still a good summary: http://qdb.rawrnix.com/?711 < 1320786955 255410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, good, paxed knows how to use eir op privileges < 1320786970 581917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION teaches the -minecraft school of op privilege usage
< 1320786974 961180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: e rarely does < 1320786981 829659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hire more ops < 1320786989 869415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't hesitate when he thinks someone is trolling < 1320787007 244541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUESTION! Are all cellular automatons self-modifying? < 1320787025 64634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: arguably, none are < 1320787035 183723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the rules for CA update were taken from the playfield < 1320787038 797502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that might be an interesting langauge < 1320787040 283785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*language < 1320787043 402545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably wouldn't be < 1320787091 510620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you've told kerio python sucks, right? maybe e just doesn't realise < 1320787103 356748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, although not in those words < 1320787112 220495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you're not being clear enough :) < 1320787125 270324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, Rodney is a Perl script that doesn't exactly follow best practices < 1320787144 532028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to load a module, it used an old-fashioned syntax whose difference from the current one is that it runs at runtime not compile-time, and you have to handle errors manually < 1320787151 110204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then ignored the error code < 1320787165 660149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which made debugging it really confusing < 1320787183 989813 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, it used require instead of use? < 1320787191 188090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: no, it used do < 1320787195 511874 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh..... < 1320787200 269054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to look up that meaning of do when I saw Rodney < 1320787200 393409 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun. < 1320787209 780612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qdb.rawrnix.com/?470 good quote < 1320787211 302633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :require is at least vaguely useful < 1320787215 403964 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I use do in my words.pl script currently. < 1320787217 144297 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually. < 1320787219 670763 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to load the data files. < 1320787230 730189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: do you at least check $@ afterwards? < 1320787235 384265 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1320787241 37252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that's more than Rodney did < 1320787253 121769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I improved Rodney massively by suggesting adding "or die $@" at the end of the do line < 1320787287 830465 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes it's always do or die with these things. < 1320787290 413406 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>' < 1320787312 842988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that joke doesn't count, the syntax was intentionally designed to make it possible, I think < 1320787334 686679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I recently learnt that the actual original reason barewords existed in Perl was to make it easier to write poems that were syntactically valid Perl < 1320787343 570034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow < 1320787357 621031 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ala black perl < 1320787362 871501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that one of Larry Wall's coworkers was a poet < 1320787393 106294 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has written poems in modern Perl 5.
< 1320787398 518266 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm cool. < 1320787408 963100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it still accepts barewords for backwards compatibility < 1320787415 22939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of both old programs and poetry, I guess < 1320787435 865295 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl 5 does not < 1320787475 523889 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in much the same way there is little difference between code and data. < 1320787480 425564 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same can be said of programs and poetry. < 1320787567 731046 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to delete User:Taneb/Binary Variety Pack < 1320787572 310587 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a stupid idea < 1320787610 682344 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, I don't know how to delete pages? < 1320787613 547766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't esolangs.org/wiki where stupid ideas go to die? < 1320787615 429811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can't < 1320787679 71419 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone delete it for me? < 1320787712 23204 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend making a RfD < 1320787715 627021 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-62.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1320787716 20033 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-62.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1320787716 73140 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1320787721 85040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't < 1320787734 444368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, now you can < 1320787744 531358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you do? make a backup? < 1320787751 11778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: redirects for deletion? < 1320787753 144169 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked at it :P < 1320787758 659391 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, let's just move it to the mainspace < 1320787762 472959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then Taneb has no right to want it deleted! < 1320787772 857205 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: requests. is that not the wikipedia thing? < 1320787776 112408 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a while. < 1320787776 912993 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it's afd < 1320787780 820945 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1320787784 580774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :d = discussion < 1320787785 464086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not deletion < 1320787789 779725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that was a weird Firefox bug < 1320787801 155115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just highlighted some text and then dragged it to the Firefox search bug < 1320787809 878298 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was deletion at one point wasn't it? < 1320787816 857126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it ended up in the middle of the greyed-out text that says what search engine it's set to < 1320787820 386656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also greyed-out < 1320787835 209228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost as weird as Konversation preserving its syntax highlighting if you copy and paste into the /topic dialogue box < 1320787837 549463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it was votes for deletion < 1320787851 844678 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's very reproducible, iirc < 1320787855 476029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which, as the client itself is set to white on black, and the /topic box is generally black on white, makes it hard to read) < 1320787856 459863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but presumably pretty low priority < 1320787862 389869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I didn't say it was unreproducible < 1320787866 52569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that it was weird < 1320787867 578204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: white on black? :( < 1320787872 510096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why there has to be a correlation < 1320787891 318115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I prefer dark colours to predominate on my computer screen, it becomes easier to look at for extended periods of time < 1320787897 805975 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1320787901 450561 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would accept off-white on dark grey < 1320787935 505064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the foreground isn't pure white, IIRC < 1320787937 386222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it might be < 1320787941 974365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the background is pure black, I think < 1320787949 862515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my own comments are light red, nickpings are bright red < 1320787953 921590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the background's the main problem < 1320787956 743354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and notices and server messages are dark yellow < 1320787958 10267 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi is grey on faded blue for topic. < 1320788003 267888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why does recursive grep default to recursively grepping stdin? < 1320788010 639711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely specifying -r is a clue that stdin isn't a good place to read from? < 1320788033 835693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not even gnu people think tools should second-guess you, usually < 1320788040 423595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: unix philosophy < 1320788044 388919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right < 1320788046 505004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should maybe error out according to gnu design < 1320788050 364121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it definitely shouldn't default to . or anything < 1320788052 503934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's documented behaviour, it's not guessing, I suppose < 1320788064 462521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's second-guessing, just not first-guessing < 1320788071 722570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erroring on -r would make sense < 1320788089 879753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate it when I can't tell whether a program is waiting on a long-running disk/CPU calculation, or waiting on stdin < 1320788098 493335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it would make sense for gnu design, not unix design < 1320788107 66356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that should be solved some other way < 1320788114 119293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminals should indicate when they want input < 1320788129 440677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they /do/ (see IO::Pty::HalfDuplex) < 1320788129 700437 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., I don't think an input cursor should be displayed when input isn't desired < 1320788135 39129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not normally in a user-visible way < 1320788146 165530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IPHD is both awesome and crazy, incidentally; I didn't write it, but I envy it) < 1320788146 813966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that works better with line cursors than block) < 1320788152 858278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since it's less obtrusive and thus less jarring) < 1320788180 163009 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, how is it reported? < 1320788188 593262 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: select() showing the tty is ready for writing? < 1320788224 413234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: by reads blocking until the terminal is ready to receive input < 1320788228 581353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the HalfDuplex bit is about < 1320788244 974969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ofc that isn't inherent to the way the module works internally, just the way it's designed to be used < 1320788278 694382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I mean, how is it implemented internally < 1320788293 51544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, oh, ugly < 1320788295 671295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on all POSIXy platforms but BSD, using job contorl < 1320788297 879830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*control < 1320788306 359404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pretends to be a shell that just backgrounded the program < 1320788310 107121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why does my select() solution not work? because it'd report being ready for writing even before it /blocks/ on reading? < 1320788318 880452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it gets a signal when the program's ready for input < 1320788320 442359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ofc < 1320788325 492498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1320788331 829277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ready for writing until the write buffer is filled < 1320788338 2474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In particular, programs like qemu and telnet cannot be expected to ever work with this." < 1320788338 895414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1320788364 775481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it with telnet/ssh by having a helper program at the other end, I guess < 1320788423 857894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so does taeb use that? < 1320788429 85783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1320788437 928905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of its development was driven by a desire to use it in TAEB < 1320788446 325958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's how I know about it < 1320788547 760475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should see what it does on BSD sometime < 1320788554 906938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which I don't fully understand, but it involves a debug API) < 1320788663 991570 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1320788691 252093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1320788900 150263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why do ansi terminal codes suck :( < 1320788916 509687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sturgeon's law? < 1320788922 498556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no but i mean < 1320788928 655179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know how you can scroll up in a terminal < 1320788963 51921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many terminals have that feature, yes < 1320788975 675611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's a lie < 1320788983 892020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you actually can't modify any lines above the actual visible size of the terminal < 1320788983 944727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1320788988 73254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for instance < 1320788997 301129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminal is 24 lines high? my program can do 24 progress bars < 1320789001 377944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean that the scrollback is lying to you in that they aren't actually part of the terminal? < 1320789001 621655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you could have one above it < 1320789004 304094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it couldn't change < 1320789006 191062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes >:( < 1320789012 285452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you /expect/ them to be? < 1320789029 786124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because the size of a viewport should not affect the size of the underlying medium? < 1320789032 144814 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1320789036 232917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pdfs don't get smaller when i resize evince < 1320789043 217798 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :change the terminal program to treat the scrollback buffer as part of the visible screen < 1320789056 295461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i'm tempted < 1320789059 166435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: using programs like tmux, you can have a viewport a different size from the terminal itself < 1320789060 747611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't the terminal just grow by one line every line? < 1320789071 103391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, most programs assume terminals have a vaguely consistent size < 1320789074 993787 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so? it's still stupid that this is how they behave by default >:( < 1320789078 940786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1320789082 867432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the terminal viewport size makes sense < 1320789085 941760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for stuff on the alternate screen < 1320789090 99322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for showing stuff at the correct width < 1320789096 70849 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but forbidding modifications above the viewport is dumb dumb dumb < 1320789108 483435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what if a program scrolled its output sideways rather than upwards? < 1320789110 957045 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it'll mess up "full screen" applications though < 1320789142 30118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: those programs are bad < 1320789161 361733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could do your own scrollback in alt screen < 1320789166 529761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so what you're really saying is, "terminal programs don't act the way I want them to" < 1320789180 302183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that is indeed the basis of my complaint < 1320789185 53511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you complain when programs work the way you want them to? < 1320789225 62302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine he consider what the majority would want first < 1320789225 550350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm < 1320789227 555947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :before complaining < 1320789231 176849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing ais523 that is < 1320789240 440236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sometimes, but not necessarily < 1320789249 480048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1320789269 579931 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the needs of the me outweigh the needs of the many, or few < 1320789277 786777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw, what's the appropriate reaction to someone who says they're having problems getting Pulseaudio working on Windows? < 1320789298 402909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: /ignore, delete from all contact lists, deny existence of in future, avoid in real life < 1320789299 212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did this actually happen? Where? < 1320789331 753676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, and telling you would probably get me into trouble < 1320789343 438781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: was it on irc though? Mailing list? reddit? < 1320789348 81886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC < 1320789350 887490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1320789357 496896 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: help them get pulseaudio working in windows, should prove interesting < 1320789361 193461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to work out why that's relevant
< 1320789361 442300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so +s channel then? < 1320789370 841150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I assume so < 1320789376 857134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1320789380 800523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you check a channel for +sness? mode? < 1320789396 394305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are they a member of the UNDEAD? < 1320789403 404385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how would I know? < 1320789406 388424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in my client /mode prints the mode of the current channel if given no parameters < 1320789410 371917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it could be a channel for the UNDEAD < 1320789412 514842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's likely to be unlikely, though < 1320789427 423651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, in this client, /mode-ing a channel prints its mode /in that channel/ < 1320789430 923583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I couldn't find its answer < 1320789433 314265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1320789435 55035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's a +s channel < 1320789446 342092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how does "likely to be unlikely" differ from a plain "unlikely"? < 1320789460 773927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1320789466 773369 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you used it < 1320789468 237320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it implies there's a chance it isn't unlikely < 1320789472 239547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably for a reason < 1320789481 566602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1320789485 705448 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I was thinking about that too < 1320789522 689876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it kind of makes sense, but I'm not sure I can think of an actual situation it really makes sense to use that instead of a plain "unlikely" < 1320789567 718190 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :plain unlikely implies that you know the likelihood < 1320789595 240455 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I guess so < 1320789604 286677 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and likely to be unlikely means there's some uncertainty in the likelihood < 1320789613 118365 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, "likely to be unlikely" sounds awkward < 1320790123 634715 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320790386 24782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh /no/ < 1320790404 726659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1320790427 110118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I just figured out a sufficient amount of a protoproto@ that I could even implement it < 1320790440 815820 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1320790463 634113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perhaps you should do so, for practice < 1320790477 583214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I intend to, it's just frightening < 1320790532 778909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have I mentioned that one of my main requirements for the portability of @ is that you can get a minimal graphics-keyboard-and-mouse-with-no-special-IO-drivers-or-support @ up and running from only the portable system sources, ~3000 lines of python, and a few hundred lines of unportable @ driver code plugging into the python? < 1320790540 207720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(python deliberately picked as an unexpressive and boring language) < 1320790562 575409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, compiled sources, that is; whereby "compiled" I mean preparsed < 1320790573 993652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's how you develop them, anyway; @ code isn't text at any stage < 1320790622 208633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems reasonable < 1320790637 816873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3000 is an overestimate, really < 1320790655 299720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the abstract machine it's all based on to be simple enough to implement in just about anything < 1320790659 986059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although probably not brainfuck without some pain < 1320790672 705661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underlambda! < 1320790676 233433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed :) < 1320790693 117927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that if @ gets any use at all, it will be through a "simulator" on top of unix < 1320790701 2350 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps even one written in python < 1320790714 793036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could run your server on @ by having standard debian beneath it and just having it run the @ simulator and nothing else < 1320790724 380186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and connect to that from a window on your local unix machine with @ networking < 1320790824 793039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's similar to Squeak in this way, really < 1320790830 991170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with even less integration, and intentionally so < 1320790847 28023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the only way you should even be able to access your local filesystem is over ssh or whatever < 1320790868 323625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about just using a VM? < 1320790870 518406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and running it in that? < 1320790874 788551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define VM? < 1320790886 987285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you mean VirtualBox or qemu or w/e? < 1320790896 447840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1320790900 858614 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-75.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1320790915 860930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, what's the point? that's just an unnecessary layer of abstraction as opposed to running an implementation hosted on top of unix < 1320790928 489397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll still be running all the same @ code, just slightly different drivers < 1320790941 65641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, because of the context-switch stuff < 1320790948 352863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what context-switch stuff? < 1320790987 931043 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ? < 1320791019 984978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the way that @ is meant to avoid context-switches by working NaCl-style rather than having arbitrary code connecting to the kernel's API < 1320791047 790202 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, yes, that's certainly an advantage; but consider that it's a clarity and structural advantage as well as a raw performance one < 1320791055 118986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here's something that would be a feasible + sensible @ usecase: < 1320791066 93968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have an old laptop lying around collecting dust which you connect to your router and put @ on < 1320791075 394615 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use this by running an @ simulator on your main unix computer < 1320791079 378487 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and connecting to it with @ networking over your LAN < 1320791092 179256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: NaCl being? (Apart from common salt) < 1320791093 255308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seamlessly run intensive computations on the laptop that would be slow under the simulator, etc. < 1320791099 397006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Google Native Client < 1320791101 504200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1320791108 821869 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: performance doesn't really matter that much for what essentially amounts to a medium-thickness client < 1320791116 171085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of running native executables from the web by statically verifying that they don't do anything nasty < 1320791145 534150 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, @ even in userspace will probably avoid some context switch penalties, simply because the @ scheduler will be task-switching without them. < 1320791165 703505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean, while @'s model certainly does lead to possible great performance improvements, it's hardly the only appeal of the system :) < 1320791194 608948 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not merely possible. Inherent. < 1320791209 541412 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well, yes; but it's easy to make an implementation that doesn't end up faster < 1320791216 508181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the costs you pay elsewhere < 1320791223 164656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if you have a dumb compiler things go slowly < 1320791239 384954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about performance in something like lapack+blas for whatever language @ uses. Not a lot of context switches there. But a lot of fine tuning the machine code for best performance < 1320791258 422066 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've never claimed @ is faster on all code < 1320791271 515668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: personally, I find number crunching pretty boring < 1320791272 131324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed. I'm just wondering how much worse it would be < 1320791274 86181 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, performance is by no means the sole benefit of @. The big thing is that @ is at least intended to be understandable. < 1320791278 784286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought @ was mainly intended to be a desktop OS < 1320791284 643153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: desktop/server usecases are much more interesting than number crunching to me < 1320791289 114352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1320791289 471898 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there it's IO, IO, IO < 1320791292 405860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :number crunching is something you don't generally need much of an OS for at all < 1320791297 597229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: precisely < 1320791306 954206 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in fact, @ could just let privileged processes offload number crunching jobs to the gpu < 1320791314 396430 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they tend to be pretty suited to parallelism < 1320791321 602178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, that doesn't always work < 1320791322 434459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to be fair I do a fair amount of number crunching on the CPU and the GPU on my desktop < 1320791327 364898 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even the CPU. < 1320791331 548515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean, you can inject arbitrary machine code into @ < 1320791332 411237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they're optimised for semi-parallelism < 1320791337 96976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just requires very high privileges, and is usually dumb < 1320791341 934212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like matrix multiplication, which isn't a completely parallel algo but comes close < 1320791345 420529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and anything like a modern AAA 3D game is going to be doing a lot of GPU number crunching < 1320791356 546781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do AA games exist? < 1320791361 577565 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You could probably also do NaCl-style sandboxed machine code. < 1320791367 920764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: indeed < 1320791369 158592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think AAA is the only classification people tend to mention < 1320791372 757020 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1320791375 914676 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this, of course, would probably be significantly more complicated than the rest of @ put together. :P) < 1320791386 64259 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if you want to be really pipe-dreamy: proof-carrying machine code < 1320791400 508279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically... < 1320791405 50827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I never heard about anything than AAA there < 1320791406 1553 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean < 1320791408 508114 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: look at virtual machines < 1320791416 100109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: batteries included < 1320791419 717055 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. Actually. Sandboxing for you would be really easy, because @'s not using the CPU's privilege levels at all. < 1320791421 656383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay that was terrible) < 1320791423 478416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the classification meaningful if it's the only one that's used? < 1320791424 238650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: VMWare, Parallels, VirtualBox -- they're edging closer and closer to being able to play modern games < 1320791427 486764 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, to sandbox machine code you could simply use that. < 1320791429 618707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm < 1320791439 771100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's only a matter of time before you don't lose much performance at all from virtualising them < 1320791452 920612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if that's what it takes to do games under @, so what? it's secure, it's predictable... < 1320791461 801427 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they don't really cut it for the "getting 61 FPS without vsync native" case though. < 1320791466 463725 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not yet < 1320791483 920330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw is there anyone who plays without vsync except for testing what FPS you can reach? < 1320791485 892023 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The main loss from virtualising nowadays is actually getting stuff through to the GPU. < 1320791513 303163 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Some people actually derp and think higher framerates than your display is a good thing. < 1320791513 525419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i'll get ais523 to port @ to checkout :) < 1320791514 625411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sadly lack an IOMMU on my mobo I think < 1320791527 594933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: heh. < 1320791528 441967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GPU works really differently from CPU < 1320791540 235791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't straight-translate with any real measure of efficiency < 1320791548 420884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: anyway I might play with vsync if I got 59 FPS without it. Because screen tearing is horrible. But so is 30 FPS < 1320791551 630329 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, you claim Checkout is how CPUs work nowadays too < 1320791558 124079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it would be awful if @'s design mismatched those < 1320791562 391371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right, internally < 1320791569 860756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, they don't take an input format that matches how they work internally < 1320791576 55086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1320791578 432801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather try to translate on the fly, and don't do an amazing job of it < 1320791583 109100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: point is, @ doesn't match the exposed layer of CPUs < 1320791585 402094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is Checkout in this context? < 1320791591 381828 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so i might as well make it match the hidden layer < 1320791592 695193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: an esolang, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Checkout < 1320791595 384852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Checkout < 1320791598 199674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1320791607 838765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for Vorpal to say "tl;dr".
< 1320791611 166107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but you'd have to abstraction-invert to actually run the code on a real CPU < 1320791627 60450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as opposed to the abstraction-inversion I have to do already? < 1320791631 899461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ wants to be run on a graph reduction machine < 1320791644 74478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1320791655 338333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "machine code matches the way processors used to work decades ago, rather than the way they work nowadays" <-- for x86: certainly, but is this true for other ISAs? < 1320791658 558286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, ARM and so on < 1320791680 555030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, Itanium tried to do something lower-level < 1320791683 710383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and look what happened to it < 1320791697 517594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Thus, it makes operations like memory transfers (which take up the most time on a modern processor) explicit" <-- this reminds me of how the processing cores on Cell CPUs work. < 1320791697 634691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might actually have been a good idea that happened too early < 1320791708 562244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they DMA to a local memory < 1320791712 187192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then access that < 1320791716 608083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think it was being explicit to the wrong thing < 1320791719 17771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's how GPUs work too < 1320791719 371409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the local memory being SRAM iirc < 1320791726 377689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, I wonder if Checkout isn't just a really weird representation of a dataflow graph < 1320791738 611742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it is, in which case GPUs are too < 1320791746 664646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, to be fair Cell is kind of like a weird mix between CPU and GPU concepts, with a PowerPC core thrown in for good measure < 1320791747 425896 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... vliw wasn't exactly new with itanium, was it? < 1320791752 312048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1320791761 7337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't think so, but it was the first large-scale serious attempt to do it < 1320791772 718470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would be very unsurprised if GPUs turned out to be basically dataflow machines < 1320791784 733911 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it can still have been too early regardless of how old vliw is < 1320791799 960510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they /kind of/ are < 1320791800 686413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not obviously exactly the same < 1320791809 592469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I'm taking a course in GPU programming currently < 1320791813 908040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems really interesting < 1320791819 416156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :first lecture was today < 1320791896 230421 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "The differences are in the value of implementation-defined parameters" <-- any examples? < 1320791905 913017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not off the top of my head < 1320791909 88838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1320791918 28731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any Checkout implementations? < 1320791919 950899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1320791939 128378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a thought experiment more than anything else < 1320791950 611634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what would a language look like if it modeled the way processors actually work" < 1320791957 173830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the answer is "frustrating", I think < 1320791962 867864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing a level 1 implementation shouldn't be too hard from what I can tell. Might not be efficient though < 1320791976 296615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"level 1 implementation"? < 1320792001 196816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err the stuff needed for doing level 1. Which would form the core of an implementation < 1320792003 835134 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fromList [1,2,3,4] \\ fromList [1,2,3] < 1320792004 827627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Control.Monad.Random.Class.MonadRandom []) < 1320792004 960139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from... < 1320792005 79894 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1320792018 769256 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::v < 1320792046 488158 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> S.fromList [1,2,3,4] \\ S.fromList [1,2,3] < 1320792047 248454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[a]' < 1320792047 491393 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `Data.Set.... < 1320792050 4831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway from what I heard, coding for the Cell processor is really annoying as well < 1320792061 591312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: behold, @: < 1320792061 960640 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello-world{s9dj3} : < 1320792062 87027 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : { < 1320792062 139639 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Data.Rope{bnj55} : module-sig Data.Rope{bnj55} < 1320792062 139722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Unicode{7zogf} : module-sig Unicode{7zogf} < 1320792062 484572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : FRP{45gf6} : module-sig FRP{45gf6} < 1320792064 454531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } -> FRP{45gf6}.Behavior (Data.Rope{bnj55}.Rope Unicode{7zogf}.Codepoint) < 1320792073 375951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is that? < 1320792076 506760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ < 1320792087 883267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: an intermediate internal representation, right? < 1320792089 609977 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1320792091 891901 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are the {h3b45h} thingies? < 1320792092 242408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coding in that would be awkward < 1320792097 288317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my guess is hashes < 1320792100 255620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, a type signature < 1320792108 309206 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're partial hashes, I couldn't be arsed to tap out 512 bits or whatever < 1320792121 222536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1320792134 506671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if people have to type out the hashes by hand, they'll get annoyed < 1320792139 165918 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never said they would < 1320792142 723087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1320792143 827038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not running @ yet, am I? < 1320792153 465680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm suggesting that some method to sugar them away will be needed < 1320792154 560293 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine the plain-text is the human-readable representation and the hash the computer-readable one. < 1320792155 922748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sometimes you sound like it :P < 1320792167 442683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HAVE TOO MUCH ROPE TO HANG YOURSELF < 1320792175 869100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, wait, the hashes are in the wrong place there < 1320792183 242248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that was very un-ais523 like < 1320792191 719582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wrote it originally < 1320792201 937831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1320792207 330530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only duckduckgo hit is ESR's website < 1320792217 952606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh right, the intercal error < 1320792218 826100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is interesting, I thought the phrase might occur by chance somewhere else < 1320792224 197908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it an error for in intercal? < 1320792231 640941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also when did you switch to ddg? < 1320792234 427128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: running out of memory during multithreading < 1320792241 324332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when elliott recommended it to me < 1320792244 613434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1320792258 142034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stopped recommending DDG after he recommended it to Vorpal and Vorpal started being obnoxious about recommending it.
< 1320792260 520329 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, revised @! < 1320792261 381581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello-world : < 1320792261 433890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : { < 1320792261 434106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Data.Rope : module-sig Data.Rope{bnj55} < 1320792261 434210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Unicode : module-sig Unicode{7zogf} < 1320792261 858869 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : FRP : module-sig FRP{45gf6} < 1320792262 388580 :tiffnya!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-83.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1320792263 818078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } -> FRP.Behavior (Data.Rope.Rope Unicode.Codepoint) < 1320792267 600599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: YOU RUINED MY PASTE. < 1320792283 859195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not because elliott is perfect in terms of opinions that I'd share, but because e made me aware of its existence < 1320792284 113589 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-148.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1320792286 402743 :tiffnya!~kawaii@fl-76-3-16-83.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :tiffany < 1320792318 267284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.catb.org/~esr/intercal/ick.htm#Errors < 1320792337 390402 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ooh, wait, that type is actually wrong < 1320792339 486175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to be dependent < 1320792355 315961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :* elliott stopped recommending DDG after he recommended it to Vorpal and Vorpal started being obnoxious about recommending it. <-- I only recommended it to oerjan in here. No one else. < 1320792363 593084 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was enough :) < 1320792371 324837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, perhaps this may end up getting merged with Anarchy somehow < 1320792374 548430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on < 1320792380 702660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is too specific to be the perfect language, but I love some of its ideas < 1320792384 660677 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anarchy is dependently-typed? < 1320792386 499802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: admit it, I managed to sell the idea to oerjan < 1320792391 538877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not exactly, well perhaps yes < 1320792391 898137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hahaha < 1320792394 102526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he still uses it < 1320792401 521384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels vaguely similar to dependent typing < 1320792408 60114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think it's the same < 1320792428 454789 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think Anarchy sounds interesting, but I think it'd also be simpler if structured as functional transformations rather than imperative updates < 1320792433 359848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can you tell I like functional programming?) < 1320792449 885243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, seeing as I don't really know Anarchy, this may be an ignorant statement < 1320792450 123660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anarchy is a language? Nice name < 1320792457 953274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is functional, and even almost pure; it's just sugared to look imperative < 1320792473 155972 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yet another slightly pregnant language < 1320792481 793973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've written and tested a parser for it < 1320792491 587750 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddg is being unhelpful < 1320792491 826071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (almost pure ~ slightly pregnant) < 1320792491 878794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is more progress than certain other languages < 1320792497 719626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see < 1320792499 573857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there we go < 1320792500 281357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I see < 1320792509 43167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1320792510 964604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, it isn't pure, but you can't do everything in it you could in an impure language < 1320792513 609335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the wrong anarchy < 1320792517 438202 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh < 1320792521 616256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a restriction that's weaker than purity, but still ther < 1320792523 82434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*there < 1320792526 553496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to figure out what it is < 1320792534 982969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: elliott: I can not find the anarchy you were talking about. Is it an esolang? < 1320792538 998719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1320792541 184541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: I've written and tested a parser for it < 1320792542 15395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one I've only started making < 1320792543 231595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1320792548 248501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=anarchy&go=Go < 1320792551 308140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly ais523 is just implementing some wildly well-known language < 1320792553 283817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1320792560 939430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so not on the wiki < 1320792565 910106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is it about then? < 1320792567 814370 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 doesn't put incomplete languages on the wiki < 1320792571 156602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intended semantics for a subset of the language are mostly worked out, and I'm trying to figure out how to implement them < 1320792575 221956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: type inference on steroids < 1320792581 561013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds fun < 1320792584 773250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's mostly designed for tree-walking < 1320792592 195150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1320792597 809095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's specifically intended for being good at writing compilers < 1320792598 593497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, I think @ would be quite happy to host Anarchy < 1320792609 671677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and although it'll probably be TC, would be awkward to use for other things < 1320792611 274870 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an unkind host for languages, really, it just has very high standards < 1320792612 572109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so it might actually be an useful esolang? < 1320792616 167192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully < 1320792621 282314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may end up giving it a decent FFI < 1320792625 204525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for things it's not suited to writing in < 1320792636 382752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps even implement integers as a native data type < 1320792645 219047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than asking the user to make them by hand, like usual < 1320792654 207911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so... the lexer and parser are not really tree walking, the latter is tree building. I presume there is adequate support those too then? < 1320792661 795242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I consider a language to be inferior if you /can't/ invent mathematics in it from scratch, but that doesn't mean you should have to) < 1320792674 678404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it makes me really sad that integers are the one thing you absolutely need to be primitive < 1320792677 160579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not sure how parsers fit into Anarchy yet < 1320792685 374234 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\l -> map fst $ takeWhile (uncurry (==)) $ zip l (tail l) < 1320792685 604989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 59): < 1320792685 730276 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected end of input < 1320792685 783525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting variable, "(", operator, "$", "$!", "`seq`" or ")" < 1320792685 958385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for efficiency, you mean? < 1320792690 407797 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\l -> map fst $ takeWhile (uncurry (==)) $ zip l (tail l)) < 1320792690 677578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :map fst . takeWhile (uncurry (==)) . ap zip tail < 1320792691 399549 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: to be usable at all, efficiency-wise < 1320792701 725174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1320792703 158031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well presumably you need it if you want to do any sort of useful compiler writing < 1320792725 78833 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: BTW, that @ type signature I showed is very non-idiomatic < 1320792738 862997 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: parsers are the least interesting part of a compiler < 1320792742 672447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't surprise me < 1320792745 68907 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could be done externally before running anarchy < 1320792746 874289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *usually < 1320792751 1005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok < 1320792767 475471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (it's unidiomatic because it uses a rope of codepoints, which is a very strange type) < 1320792771 700110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but right, parser theory is well known < 1320792780 409253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't feel like thinking of a document type to use < 1320792784 392480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what's a rope? something vaguely list-like in the operations it supports? < 1320792792 875133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: certainly. But they still need to be there in some form. And if done externally you still need to communicate that stuff to the later stages somehow. Which either means a parser for the tree in anarchy or linking C code to it < 1320792802 577144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a balanced tree of short vectors, basically < 1320792807 656759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a very good string representation < 1320792808 755983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why arbitrarily mention C? < 1320792817 395503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, some other language then < 1320792826 591384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was thinking about bison < 1320792826 937979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, so similar to a skiplist, but with a different way of thinking about it? < 1320792836 914249 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: completely unrelated; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_(computer_science) < 1320792838 989178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why is a rope of codepoints a strange type? < 1320792846 192351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds sensible to me < 1320792847 379923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in @, the obvious implementation is a 2,3 finger tree of short vectors < 1320792856 129022 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 2,3 finger trees are literally every data structure < 1320792864 406622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting primitive < 1320792871 352531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: unix/windows mind virus < 1320792872 88493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ? < 1320792878 193833 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, not in @ itself < 1320792893 508435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you suggest instead for representing an Unicode text? < 1320792902 321446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's just that 2,3 finger trees are unreasonably good at everything < 1320792922 183706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "unicode text" is the problem; there is no real such thing, we're only used to bare strings of bytes and later codepoints because that's what our OSes use < 1320792929 154159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rope of codepoints wouldn't be a bad representation for "text file found on the Internet, whose format isn't otherwise specified" < 1320792932 416581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :books, for instance, aren't unicode text, they have formatting < 1320792941 168850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume @ wouldn't be insular enough to refuse to interoperate with the wider Internet < 1320792946 262108 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's because the Internet is based around byte strings < 1320792946 613517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means understanding its formats, even if it dislikes them < 1320792949 892857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right, indeed < 1320792954 796010 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and most people use Windows/Unix which layers codepoint-arrays on top of them < 1320792957 968333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well how will you represent "The dog jumped over the lazy dog" then? < 1320792965 201279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every justification for strings is just proof that someone else has used strings previously :) < 1320792973 128859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: as a document, say < 1320792975 372899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott: well how will you represent "The dog jumped over the lazy dog" then? < 1320792977 974807 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :714) elliott: well how will you represent "The dog jumped over the lazy dog" then? < 1320792984 934183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL Vorpal doesn't know about quick brown foxes < 1320792987 406856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes I know it was non-idiomatic :P < 1320792994 372864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was intentional :P < 1320792998 870190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it has to be present tense, "jumps" not "jumped" < 1320793003 485764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dog jumps < 1320793011 82033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and how do you represent a document then? < 1320793012 596692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the quick brown fox jumps < 1320793016 103625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: internally I mean < 1320793017 145736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the lazy dog < 1320793033 192119 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: depends; it could quite easily be a PDF < 1320793036 909150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, this conversation is rapidly getting too surreal for me < 1320793048 312871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a tree of formatting instructions seems reasonable < 1320793059 503024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm. For source code? < 1320793067 228171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: with a defined list? < 1320793069 699021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: code isn't text < 1320793072 54271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: source code should be stored as an AST < 1320793077 341037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, you'd want it to basically be compiled source code < 1320793079 378738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1320793081 457291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is what that outputs < 1320793085 403800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that is also an AST too < 1320793088 902248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what documents look like, but it's easy to experiment once @ is running < 1320793128 937493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the main problem with a totally generic document type is that it needs to be searchable < 1320793131 166455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I have the CS infection that makes me think that anything that doesn't have higher-order functions isn't a real programming language < 1320793134 837751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can't just be a program that renders something on the screen < 1320793141 488682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right < 1320793179 908767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE NEXT STACK RUPTURES. ALL DIE. OH, THE EMBARRASSMENT! < 1320793188 233996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about comments? < 1320793191 841861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only message that ESR /changed/ from the original, rather than adding a new message < 1320793205 241430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what was the original? < 1320793205 493453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the old one too, though ("PROGRAM ATTEMPTED TO EXIT WITHOUT ERROR MESSAGE") < 1320793213 757365 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1320793216 205782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: comments should be documents too, but why can't they just be arbitrary objects? < 1320793224 269297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason you shouldn't be able to add an audio file as a comment < 1320793225 205855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm I guess so < 1320793230 654683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, more reasonably, a picture < 1320793238 831411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even if you could just have a document composed only of a picture, it's unnecessary indirection) < 1320793270 269695 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lets say I'm editing a function, how will you represent this on screen? As a piece of text? < 1320793300 125995 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: have you ever read a paper which had Haskell code in it? < 1320793304 754940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll probably look something like that < 1320793330 703200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I read one that had Miranda code < 1320793340 719744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: probably not < 1320793344 978860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go read some mcbride or something :P < 1320793348 614270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, what about literate programs? < 1320793349 806362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: got a link? < 1320793360 16042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to work out if the programs should be "outside" or "inside" comments < 1320793371 278244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if there should be some other method for doing so < 1320793377 802051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ddg is rather unhelpful here < 1320793391 419886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there's taht functional pearl i read a while back < 1320793393 337754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mcbride is obviously a name. Probably knowing the first name would help < 1320793402 222908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just a joke :P < 1320793404 696915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here, http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=indexed%20monad%20functional%20pearl&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDUQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpersonal.cis.strath.ac.uk%2F~conor%2FKleisli.pdf&ei=B7W5TovkAsmM-wbhz7WFCA&usg=AFQjCNG5aO2kQrYOjP71SltPo1vW7kQrMQ&sig2=tjbXn6dw84MjElfdiKoySw < 1320793406 897077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1320793410 622195 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/~conor/Kleisli.pdf < 1320793421 653619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think "FLAG ETIQUETTE FAILURE BAD SCOUT NO BISCUIT" is the newest error message there, it's one of ESR's < 1320793439 489009 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's rubbish < 1320793451 476498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's not /that/ bad < 1320793474 356252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NO SKELETON IN MY CLOSET, WOE IS ME!" would be great if it was just the bit before the comma < 1320793480 440014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can see plenty of haskell source code in there < 1320793487 475608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicely formatted < 1320793488 998306 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's the point < 1320793508 452663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing special about it. I mean, it is kind of how it would show in your typical editor, modulo italics and colours < 1320793511 534694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: things like syntax highlighting shouldn't be part of the program object, though < 1320793513 316576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and operators < 1320793522 75653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm good point < 1320793530 322977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, re literate programs: I'm undecided. I think @ can support both just fine. I don't know which the system itself should prefer. < 1320793531 281395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: didn't even notice that to begin with < 1320793534 334589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the problem with Unicode is that it's inherently linear < 1320793552 288364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode isn't that good, but @ uses it as a source of actual characters because it's good enough < 1320793561 959657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: would it be possible to make that compile by defining the relevant unicode symbols as operators? < 1320793564 11402 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because being incompatible with it in 2011 would be completely unjustifiable < 1320793569 137304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1320793570 403145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: who says those are valid unicode? < 1320793575 812175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's no unicode for "star in a diamond", last i checked < 1320793576 781844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perhaps you should finish Kitten first < 1320793583 241490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to give you a usable OS to develop @ on < 1320793584 816107 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what (<*>) is usually rendered as < 1320793598 687189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hrrm < 1320793599 655314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think Kitten is easy enough to develop at this stage that I can entertain @ thoughts < 1320793605 506948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1320793610 274718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong in thinking < 1320793617 992230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I need to push through this design skeleton of protoproto@ to something that can run the simplest system that's sort of like @ < 1320793627 880883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that'll be a big win in terms of being able to experiment beyond that < 1320793668 284707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Unicode isn't that good, but @ uses it as a source of actual characters because it's good enough <-- yeah, they didn't add Klingon did they? < 1320793675 954807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they didn't < 1320793681 804644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, it isn't good at all < 1320793689 745907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a common embedding of Klingon into Unicode that isn't standard, but doesn't contradict the standard < 1320793694 527541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by defining some of the private use area < 1320793697 464514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1320793708 161174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :approx how large is the private use area, I don't remember < 1320793717 682357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :considerably larger than Klingon is < 1320793719 101221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello-world : < 1320793719 216577 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : M : { < 1320793719 269152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Data : { Rope : module-sig Data.Rope{bnj55} } < 1320793719 269347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Unicode : module-sig Unicode{7zogf} < 1320793719 269454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : FRP : module-sig FRP{45gf6} < 1320793719 848086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } -> M.FRP.Behavior (M.Data.Rope.Rope M.Unicode.Codepoint) < 1320793721 490335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1320793723 793859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fair enough < 1320793724 374500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather small compared to Unicode as a whole < 1320793749 500648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to try and give some example /code/ for hello-world < 1320793843 512629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I said Behavior < 1320793851 239987 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1320793859 619765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: make sure I don't typo my names again, pls :) < 1320793879 989356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1320793893 647660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would the names be written as sequence-of-letters anyway < 1320793899 805662 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1320793905 207845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, why shouldn't Color and Colour be identical? < 1320793933 958753 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1320793934 12118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : use Data.Rope as Rope importing Rope < 1320793934 12355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : use Unicode importing Codepoint < 1320793934 12494 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : use FRP importing Behaviour < 1320793934 12615 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1320793935 11123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : hello-world : Behaviour (Rope Codepoint) < 1320793936 954156 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : hello-world = point Rope['H', 'e', 'l', 'l', 'o', ',', ' ', 'w', 'o', 'r', 'l', < 1320793938 863518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'd', '!'] < 1320793940 897149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1320793947 374029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Rope[...] is misleading; it is actually a Rope object embedded into the code < 1320793955 701330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs to build up constants from functions when you can just include them in the source? < 1320794045 274050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, oops! < 1320794049 239793 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you spot the error in the above program? < 1320794054 116181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(@ could!) < 1320794096 428538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't define lists? < 1320794099 698376 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src sequence < 1320794099 933251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequence [] = return [] < 1320794100 52169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequence (x:xs) = do v <- x; vs <- sequence xs; return (v:vs) < 1320794100 105054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- OR: sequence = foldr (liftM2 (:)) (return []) < 1320794109 123558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, that's the embedded object < 1320794110 530054 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't use lists < 1320794120 671860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hint: where is "point" imported from? < 1320794126 662318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1320794129 691615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the "point" < 1320794138 66426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ropes aren't behaviours of ropes < 1320794152 146309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's required is < 1320794152 510386 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : use Control.Applicative importing point < 1320794153 953741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar < 1320794178 120106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, ostensibly one can ask an @ computer, given the above, "hello-world", and get back a container with that rope inside, never changing < 1320794195 246306 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a more interesting program would be one that cycles through different ropes or even responds to input < 1320794196 168449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that list sounds quite annoying to write out like that < 1320794201 442114 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there are no lists < 1320794206 8517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well.... < 1320794225 992064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ['H', 'e', 'l', 'l', 'o', ',', ' ', 'w', 'o', 'r', 'l', 'd', '!'] <-- writing that seems really annoying < 1320794227 592566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :point me to the list < 1320794233 917362 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : that Rope[...] is misleading; it is actually a Rope object embedded into the code < 1320794235 524133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no list < 1320794236 888872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it whatever you like < 1320794241 7652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: certainly < 1320794256 243594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you missed the part where I said you wouldn't actually use ropes of codepoints in rpactice, right? :) < 1320794263 197171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: whatever it is, it seems annoying to use if you just want to display a message to the user < 1320794274 143343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so what would you do in practise for the hello world < 1320794280 858242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would the idiomatic hello world look like < 1320794281 828905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a document type < 1320794289 401030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know, it's impossible to determine @'s idioms before it exists < 1320794293 138453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1320794321 374352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so what would you do to display "Error connecting to host", would you display a document with that "text" in it? < 1320794334 462595 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1320794336 148875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1320794339 62145 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['H', 'e', 'l', 'l', 'o', ',', ' ', 'w', 'o', 'r', 'l', 'd', '!'] == "Hello, world!" < 1320794339 802431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1320794340 154228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1320794343 947820 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you have to write it out as a list? < 1320794351 259651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: that was NOT haskell code < 1320794356 689486 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1320794358 419756 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense. < 1320794361 619033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: where would actual ropes be used then? < 1320794363 473553 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1320794363 526151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : use Text.Doc importing Doc < 1320794363 526310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : use FRP importing Behaviour < 1320794363 526414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : use Control.Applicative importing point < 1320794363 526517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1320794363 824084 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : hello-world : Behaviour Doc < 1320794365 822591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : hello-world = point "Hello, world!" < 1320794367 634239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1320794369 866368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: smile < 1320794371 853161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and probably internally < 1320794379 415436 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :representing runs of unformatted text as ropes of codepoints, etc. < 1320794386 82015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "smile" here being? < 1320794396 47896 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because i converted it to use an imaginary Doc type < 1320794400 551494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1320794403 959514 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "world!" is actually italic there, you just can't see it :) < 1320794409 100829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1320794430 773444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that might make it a bit tricky to pastebin code to discuss it over irc :P < 1320794440 487662 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if it can't easily be represented as pure text I mean < 1320794440 724534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's why @ has a standardised object interchange format < 1320794444 321610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1320794445 792639 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, there'll be @bins < 1320794454 351450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for linking to people over legacy protocols < 1320794481 688369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in a @ communications protocol, you would of course exchange objects < 1320794487 385018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could just embed source code in your message < 1320794489 535285 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess we will see if @ becomes the next Linux. < 1320794494 102625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it though < 1320794504 207882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next shitty imitations of a decades-old obsolete system? < 1320794510 798287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not in that sense :P < 1320794517 216068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I meant "the next big open source OS" < 1320794528 69463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, but I've never really cared much about that < 1320794536 926121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to think it'll get at least ten users < 1320794547 323235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably nobody but me will actually boot it as their main OS < 1320794559 545253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I believe that is more ambitious than Linus original goal :P < 1320794589 45148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to think @ would take off, but actually it'd probably be pretty hellish. < 1320794601 984110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People would start shipping proprietary @ source. < 1320794602 710267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I would certainly try it out under qemu if it is ever implemented < 1320794610 945098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that even work? < 1320794614 619642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not long until programs become ObfuscatedPropriertyInterpreter("...binary data..."). < 1320794626 141964 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Proprierty/Proprietary/ < 1320794640 155424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess that will happen for the graphics drivers. < 1320794645 56318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1320794651 937604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "will" -- @ won't get to that stage. < 1320794658 809089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if it would < 1320794659 872522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant < 1320794666 419313 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When @ is small, I can just yell at people if they do things like that *shrug* < 1320794719 932898 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: I would certainly try it out under qemu if it is ever implemented < 1320794720 49807 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : would that even work? < 1320794723 55372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Were these statements linked? < 1320794732 566098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: let me look up < 1320794740 299095 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1320794746 715367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : People would start shipping proprietary @ source. would that even work? < 1320794750 19514 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1320794750 134756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: was the linkage < 1320794766 975651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, I wouldn't bother running @ in qemu, since like I've said it'll be hostable on Unix. < 1320794771 284871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't imagine it NOT working under qemu < 1320794779 400683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1320794789 91588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: reminds me of inferno in that regard < 1320794799 47867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I never got inferno to actually work < 1320794808 862575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I would recommend people try actually booting it if it works out -- it'll be very interesting to see how much the scheduler/IO stuff actually helps. < 1320794828 706266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, I would probably disconnect all my hdds first :P < 1320794831 958671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a chore < 1320794848 665745 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, like I said, my baseline is <3000 lines of Python + a small bit of @ driver code to connect to the Python "hardware" + the standard @ image = hosted @ system with graphics, keyboard and mouse (no other special IO). < 1320794860 18403 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can't implement that, then the abstract machine is too complex. < 1320794869 943125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously it'll take more lines to be efficient and do things like networking. < 1320794878 470412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that I need to remove one disk compartment to properly read the SATA connectors, because the direct path is blocked by the GPU heatsink < 1320794886 2654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :reach* < 1320794906 435501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fair enougj < 1320794908 16069 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't worry about @ clobbering your HDs, unless you think I'm malicious or whatever. It's kind of meant to eliminate a very large portion of those sorts of errors :P < 1320794908 731375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough* < 1320794929 944776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do I trust you completely to not make any mistakes still? Nope. < 1320794941 53131 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's pretty damned hard to do HD-hosing mistakes. < 1320794945 385841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: quick, tell me how anarchy and scapegoat fit together < 1320794948 169420 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you trust Linux not to? < 1320794949 816211 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I appeal to authority here. The authority of Murphy < 1320794951 810535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you trust Windows not to? < 1320794954 902496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're insane! < 1320794966 892194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't think of an obvious link < 1320794983 997307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was thinking of language-specific scapegoat change types < 1320795009 253624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nope! Guess why I disconnected linux when installing windows. Anyway they had a fair amount of testing. Such issues would according to probability likely have been caught. < 1320795043 488477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the only thing I would trust more than that would be an actual formal proof :P < 1320795044 391042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you even clobber an HD by accident in OS code, anyway? < 1320795062 506958 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to send a very specific, very long sequence of instructions to th drive < 1320795063 595749 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drive < 1320795083 732256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay more reasonably and scarier you might manage to brick my network card. I remember an OS bug in some pre-release of some 2.6 linux kernel doing that < 1320795090 737159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a similar network card to mine < 1320795105 798397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's ridiculous, you think I'll write drivers for your network card? < 1320795111 625312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :by writing in the wrong place, because debug hooks were written into device registers by mistake < 1320795127 174145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see, no need to do that ^ < 1320795155 113438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway what network card do you have? If it is intel's gbit ethernet: then yes < 1320795161 233733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, if you really think you can trust linux more than @ I'll ujst have to conclude you're insane < 1320795166 572926 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially considering the order of magnitude difference in code size < 1320795189 434025 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, there's actually a decent chance you could. There's like one or two network cards that are extraordinarily common in both physical hardware *and* VMs, and are easy to implement drivers for. < 1320795195 679721 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can't recall which) < 1320795199 544958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed you do have a point. Guess why I would never ever boot anything that isn't at least 3.x.1 < 1320795230 831825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, so you just recently switched to Linux? < 1320795242 980140 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well obviously 2.6.x.1 before < 1320795260 409307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and I forgot what the 2.4 versioning system was, and I probably didn't know better back then anyway < 1320795262 632646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first @ release will be 3.1.1 < 1320795269 220628 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1320795274 920739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1320795276 119956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with special Vorpal hd clobbering code < 1320795277 175854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I believe intel's gbit ethernet is fairly common indeed. < 1320795277 405028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1320795292 971800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: more so in VMs < 1320795312 80562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: You should help me figure out what @'s networking looks like. :( < 1320795318 888245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the PCI Express one though < 1320795320 554120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has the major constraint that it has to be layerable on top of either TCP/IP or UDP/IP. < 1320795324 265987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirmed: it takes me about 10 seconds to remember the rules of The Game when I'm reminded of it < 1320795325 937295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which iirc is slightly less common in VMs < 1320795332 298351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my brain has evolved a defensive response to it < 1320795334 825141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1320795346 845325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, more like 30 seconds < 1320795350 994982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remembered there was another one < 1320795351 364736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1320795368 761145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm so glad I play Not the Game < 1320795378 615670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, and just now I remembered the "if you think of The Game you lose rule" < 1320795384 835487 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1320795389 119324 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's kind of annoying that @ doesn't seem to be separable from dependent types < 1320795390 870011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only three, right? < 1320795397 163239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the one hand, it's obviously the correct thing < 1320795400 863250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other, it makes my job a /lot/ harder < 1320795403 130182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't play The Game < 1320795407 139381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I know a bunch of people who do < 1320795414 513896 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wouldn't actually consider that a major constraint. < 1320795431 486835 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being layerable on top of UDP/IP just means it needs to be in packet form, really. < 1320795450 638889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: It also means it has to be source-dependent... < 1320795452 629701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I assume there is a way to embed native code for use in drivers? < 1320795459 605880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And target-dependent, for that matter. < 1320795469 678129 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not necessarily. < 1320795475 655866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh and how are you going to deal with ACPI? < 1320795478 880934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds "fun" < 1320795483 346607 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have a single port for all of @ networking to be multiplexed over. < 1320795484 707122 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1320795491 983163 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i'm talking about IPs, not porst < 1320795493 833356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ports < 1320795504 332587 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ah*. < 1320795506 66808 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (a) Sort of, but you almost never want to use it. (b) What do you mean? < 1320795511 526273 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a bit of a restriction. < 1320795526 102097 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: If I could, I'd layer it on top of Urbit's networking. :p < 1320795527 764063 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the alternative is NIHing the thing least NIHable. < 1320795533 375204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: surely you know that you need to interpret a lot of bytecode in your OS to do ACPI? < 1320795546 334271 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I wish routers let you give them new routing algorithms remotely. < 1320795551 319869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an open source implementation of this already. It is in C though < 1320795551 554224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could just define new protocols with router viruses. < 1320795562 85740 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know almost nothing about ACPI other than that it's crappy < 1320795562 828389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are probably a few more < 1320795566 963403 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Give me one good reason not to just ignore it :) < 1320795570 69416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it matters for laptops and shit < 1320795576 284788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think you can avoid it on modern hardware in general < 1320795580 596410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, interpreting things is one thing functional languages are really good at! < 1320795594 465807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it a state machine even? I'm not sure < 1320795630 300570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, yeah, I can't really think of all that many uses for embedding native code. < 1320795642 177321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just seen on Slashdot: apparently a microphone error let a bunch of reporters hear the translated version of a private conversation between Obama and Sarkozy < 1320795671 526185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you might need to poke some addresses and such from the ACPI byte code. And then I guess some core parts of the OS will need it. < 1320795675 253301 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that most of what drivers actually need is access to inb/outb analogues and RAM access. < 1320795684 223865 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*And* that can generally be abstracted over. < 1320795691 221566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty high-profile for a microphone error < 1320795705 191753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh < 1320795711 716906 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't really need machine code access for that. More like limited peek/poke. < 1320795714 94587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Poking address =/= embedding arbitrary machine code. < 1320795714 568415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm still recoiling from the YouTube commenter who asked how you edited the uploader comments (on someone else's video) < 1320795715 858625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did they say anything interesting? < 1320795720 355153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm indeed < 1320795723 400389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, what pikhq_ said; sections of RAM + ports. < 1320795731 205597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, they insulted the prime minister of Israel < 1320795736 543593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cool < 1320795738 189156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least Sarkozy did; Obama's response was ambiguous < 1320795774 277003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the reports < 1320795778 771559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the translators made the whole thing up < 1320795786 276556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I imagine they'd be in a bunch of trouble if they did < 1320795792 582505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'I can't stand him any more,' said Mr. Sarkozy of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. 'He's a liar.' Mr. Obama replied: 'You're sick of him. I have to deal with him every day!' < 1320795794 567511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very ambiguous :) < 1320795847 437062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well the driver for a virtual machine would need to run a few instructions, at least if it was to use hardware virtualisation < 1320795852 905924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that is an interesting issue I guess < 1320795871 206573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do graphics drivers for VMs work, anyway < 1320795893 438903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Obama's response is two neutral statements; there's an implication but it isn't stated < 1320795914 681152 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides ports and RAM, you'll need some kind of irq routing somewhere < 1320795928 276087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've played a bunch too much nomic, and watched a bunch too much politics, to necessarily infer anything at all into a statement < 1320795933 836130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :made by a politician < 1320795950 820448 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Israel will, of course, go apeshit. < 1320795953 909438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm guessing memory-mapped, but not sure < 1320795962 393313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: probably < 1320795963 401430 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And near as I can tell Israel has more control over US politics than US citizens do. < 1320795971 831903 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? Fuck if I know. < 1320796191 42573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1320796242 963505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't get what you mean < 1320796352 913539 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1320796433 243046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably figure out what my FRP model actually looks like. < 1320796439 264955 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that some magic is required to either figure out which irq each devices uses, or to decide which irqs they should use and store it wherever that goes < 1320796460 568258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's not related to what enhanced access driver code needs, though < 1320796464 887054 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides io ports and memory access to devices, drivers hook into that < 1320796476 604891 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I was just talking about hardware and drivers in general < 1320796491 496063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1320796506 187918 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever enhanced access driver code is :) < 1320796526 403702 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: whatever (enhanced access) driver code needs < 1320796537 898527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :over "typical" programs < 1320796541 326815 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1320796544 341127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no such thing as a program, but anyway!) < 1320796585 565327 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should figure out how the whole irq business works some day < 1320796589 776410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: come to think of it, @ should be available hosted on @, too < 1320796594 542743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: isn't a program just a subroutine (in the general sense) that the user might want to invoke manually? < 1320796602 608368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right; it'd save the need to use a VM < 1320796612 917251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for something that you might feel the need to use a VM for < 1320796617 567192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bit pointless though: it'd literally look like a function call < 1320796620 807716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1320796626 798938 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ already has object-capability, so you don't need VMs at all < 1320796636 529586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it might work as a method of mitigating against unknown security bugs < 1320796650 907047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just testing an @ interpreter meant to run on other platforms < 1320796651 63421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it'd /literally/ just look like a function call < 1320796657 518621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: huh? < 1320796663 971548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wouldn't /be/ a function call < 1320796666 342283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just /look/ like one < 1320796673 858125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it would /be/ a function call < 1320796677 974595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1320796678 210128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : or just testing an @ interpreter meant to run on other platforms < 1320796679 303054 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes no sense < 1320796682 10863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's a cheat-interp < 1320796684 478899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need an emulator for that platform < 1320796685 208461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not @ < 1320796686 834486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it isn't < 1320796690 670504 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here's how you port @ to a platform: < 1320796701 36271 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: write something that passes control to it, giving it the hardware drivers it needs < 1320796730 677508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, you could write an @ machine yourself in @lang, but why? the host already has a much faster one < 1320796736 351266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't you need to put something there capable of executing the code @ is made of? < 1320796737 562473 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no security issues or anything in using it < 1320796747 105182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's part of passing control < 1320796755 897292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for testing your @ machine in @lang, that you eventually intend to, say, compile into C for the purpose of running on a different OS? < 1320796777 384513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha, implying you can compile @lang to C < 1320796789 995164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can compile Haskell to C