00:03:06 Gregor: I mean, it's more work on whatever's driving cunionfs, but I think achieving the same without something this generic is basically impossible. 00:09:12 -!- pikhq has joined. 00:09:21 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 00:22:26 elliott: About how easy do you think creating a package is going to be with kitten? (please say trivial) 00:22:51 pikhq: Like, three, four lines for a GNU package? 00:23:12 Add another one to that if it's "GNU-ish" (autotools and the like) but not a GNU package (so you have to specify a tarball location). 00:23:20 So yeah, trivial. 00:23:31 So, nothing obscene like ebuilds, or Debian. Good. 00:24:26 I mean, it'll get longer if you specify your own configuration options and the like (packages have configs in Kitten). 00:24:39 And a little longer if there's a service. 00:24:55 And /ideally/ if there's configuration you should expose that so it can all be done in a unified manner, but... 00:25:00 Yeah, four lines for simple stuff. 00:35:16 # For UML and non-PC, just ignore all options that don't apply (We are lazy). 00:35:16 ignoreConfigErrors = (userModeLinux || stdenv.platform.name != "pc"); 00:35:16 Pro 00:46:59 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:55:38 hi oerjan 00:55:44 hi elliott 00:58:03 hi oerjan 00:59:03 hi elliott 00:59:19 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 00:59:24 hi oerjan 00:59:29 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 00:59:39 hi oerjan 00:59:50 no uyuo ruined it 01:00:00 hi shachaf 01:00:07 Bah, that uyuo. 01:00:22 such a spoilsport 01:03:17 the mezzacotta comic is ominous today. 01:07:16 hi shachaf 01:07:24 oklopol hi 01:07:36 elliott: hi 01:07:45 hi 01:17:39 elliott wins 01:18:22 -!- Sgeo|web has joined. 01:26:00 Man. There's organizations advocating the use of romaji or kana for Japanese writing exclusively. 01:26:13 They themselves publish their material in standard Japanese script. 01:26:18 FAIL 01:28:39 well if they published it in more than one form it would be ok... 01:29:12 it's hard to do marketing if the audience doesn't understand you :P 01:29:42 Essentially every Japanese speaker can read romaji or kana. 01:30:18 as easily as standard format? 01:30:36 Romaji is just the Latin alphabet, as used for romanization of Japanese, and kana is the phonetic script used in Japanese, in conjunction with Chinese characters. 01:31:09 or wouldn't be sort of like funetikal inglish, wer yu kan rid it but it is slow an awkward? 01:31:16 *it be 01:31:37 It'd be slow and awkward like funetikal inglish, yes. 01:31:52 For much the same reasons, in fact. 01:32:29 mhm 01:32:54 oh good point 01:32:58 Except, of course, that romaji and kana are actually *taught* in public education, as knowledge of both are necessary for literacy. :) 01:33:27 i press half- 01:33:29 baked 01:33:36 then realize this is the best comic ever 01:33:37 http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?date=1281-04-18&vote=3 01:34:16 oh no you made me vote 3 01:34:42 i did? 01:34:58 It also doesn't help that the current linguistic trends are in the *opposite* direction from what they advocate. Japanese is slowly but surely increasing the amount of kanji used. :) 01:35:07 either that or it just said "thanks for helping us bake this comic" 01:35:10 maybe it's just weird 01:35:21 oh lolol 01:35:37 yeah don't press that link ppl :D 01:35:38 better clip off the part from & on 01:35:54 http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?date=1281-04-18 BETTER LINK 01:35:56 http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?date=1281-04-18 BETTER LINK 01:35:56 http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?date=1281-04-18 BETTER LINK 01:35:56 http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?date=1281-04-18 BETTER LINK 01:36:02 JUST IN CASE 01:36:09 SOMEONE READS THE LOGS IN ORDER 01:36:42 i'll balance it out with a 2 >:) 01:36:58 nnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooo 01:41:31 http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?date=1748-04-04 01:43:57 yes good 01:46:45 isn't that from the hall of fame, istr it or a similar one 01:47:56 indeed it is 01:57:56 * oerjan smells a monthly windows update check 02:08:27 -!- Lymia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:17:47 hm or not 02:29:52 -!- Madoka-Kaname has joined. 02:29:52 -!- Madoka-Kaname has quit (Changing host). 02:29:52 -!- Madoka-Kaname has joined. 02:36:14 elliott: Please note that I also have no experience with kernel modules :P 02:42:20 Gregor: Oh dear :P 02:42:54 Gregor: That's especially worrying considering that unionfs and aufs are both large codebases :P 02:43:38 Well. 02:43:41 Not that large, but still. 02:46:15 Frankly I don't think it would be wise to start from an existing codebase. Dynamic per-process union is in some ways fundamentally different from static (or changeable only for all processes) per-system union ... 02:48:09 Gregor: Oh yeah I totally agree 02:48:15 Gregor: I'm just saying, hard task :P 02:48:26 Gregor: OTOH it's likely that the existing solutions are filled with cruft and overcomplication. 02:48:34 So it's probably not worth worrying too much about it :P 02:51:09 But yeah, if you have any ideas for atomic branch-changing of multiple processes that'd be nice, since the only interfaces I can think of are kinda ugly... 02:56:26 * Gregor googles for "how to write a kernel module", because that's how he rolls. 02:58:19 -!- Darth_Cliche has joined. 02:59:49 it's the dark side of bad writing! 03:00:28 Gregor: Doesn't the kernel come with docs on that :P 03:01:35 elliott: Yeah, and that was the first Google result! 03:01:50 Gregor: You forgot to append "for dummies". 03:02:03 I would buy "Linux Kernel Module Writing For Dummies". 03:02:50 X-D 03:03:10 I seem to recall once having a book titled The Idiot's Guide for Dummies. 03:03:28 Brain Surgery for Dummies 03:03:52 It's easier than when you're working on a smart person's brain. 03:06:13 I was thinking that maybe outside package updates /shouldn't/ propagate into a "with " context after all because the libblah version changing mid-build is not what you want. But I think that's wrong because, well, it's your own fault for upgrading while running a build outside of the system. 03:06:26 So yeah, still needs more logic than a simple "this but with more directories" system. 03:16:17 -!- Sgeo|web has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 03:20:54 -!- MDude has changed nick to MSleep. 03:37:31 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:43:38 pikhq_: There's no way to change gcc's default flags easily, right? 03:43:45 At least I gather that modifying spec files is a huge pain 03:46:25 Just spec files. 03:46:52 Though it's actually not that hard to modify a spec file after the GCC build is done. 03:46:57 It's just a text file. 03:47:55 pikhq_: Hmm... where's it stored? 03:48:06 Gregor: What about The Complete Idiot's Guide to Dummies? 03:49:33 oh hm 03:50:01 elliott: $prefix/lib/gcc/$tuple/$version/specs 03:50:17 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Idiots-Guide-Dummies-Stupidity/dp/1580081746 03:50:24 pikhq_: ls: cannot access /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/4.6.2/specs: No such file or directory 03:50:33 By default, a spec file is not actually installed there, and gcc uses one that's compiled in; use -dumpspecs to get that. 03:50:42 Ah. 03:50:43 However, if the spec file *is* there gcc uses it instead. 03:50:48 %{!fsyntax-only:%{!c:%{!M:%{!MM:%{!E:%{!S: %(linker) %{!fno-use-linker-plugin:%{flto|flto=*|fuse-linker-plugin: -plugin %(linker_plugin_file) -plugin-opt=%(lto_wrapper) -plugin-opt=-fresolution=%u.res %{!nostdlib:%{!nodefaultlibs:%:pass-through-libs(%(link_gcc_c_sequence))}} }} %{flto|flto=*:% %{!nostartfiles:%S}} %{static:} %{L*} %(mfwrap) %(link_libgcc) %o %{fopenmp|ftree-parallelize-loops=*:%:include(libgomp.spec)%(link_gomp)} %(mflib) %{fsplit-stack: --wrap=pthread_create} %{fprofile-arcs|fprofile-generate*|coverage:-lgcov} %{!nostdlib:%{!nodefaultlibs:%(link_ssp) %(link_gcc_c_sequence)}} %{!nostdlib:%{!nostartfiles:%E}} %{T*} }}}}}} 03:50:53 I... 03:51:08 Okay, so it's a bit obtuse because they stick a lot of logic in it. 03:51:20 a paragon of readability 03:51:29 Like, this is how they actually implement many of the flags. 03:51:44 http://sprunge.us/IDUC 03:51:47 It's... not too bad. 03:52:08 pikhq_: How portable are the built-in files? 03:52:10 One per architecture? 03:52:25 Just wondering how I could /generically/ modify one in a portable package... 03:52:55 elliott: The built-in spec file is basically a generic file with a few arch-specific bits filled in. 03:53:02 Right. 03:53:15 For instance, the path to the dynamic linker, and the m64/m32 logic. 03:53:38 Is there a way to override the path to the dynamic linker at some stage /before/ mucking with spec files? :P 03:53:56 Yes, but that's mucking with GCC source instead. 03:53:56 I suppose that's a binutils thing too... (for ld(1)) 03:54:08 pikhq_: Suxx 03:54:19 How do I do it for ld(1) :P 03:54:42 ld(1) is ignorant of it. 03:55:39 Its only knowledge of the dynamic linker comes from an argument to it. 03:56:04 pikhq_: Huh, I thought it could link without specifying that... 03:56:27 You *really* are not meant to call ld directly. 03:57:51 OK, I guess I can make this work then. 03:58:07 23:55:52 < pikhq_> You *really* are not meant to call ld directly. 03:58:09 what 03:58:28 coppro: For general-purpose "building a normal program" use, I mean. 03:58:50 Obviously, if you're doing, well, anything more complicated then you should. 03:59:31 i like how coppro quoted something literally two lines up 03:59:54 Probably the best example of a good time to use ld is building a kernel. 04:00:25 Though I suppose you *could* go through the compiler frontend there, it's really acting as a giant no-op. 04:02:17 coppro: Tell me clang has a better way to modify this shit than spec files 04:08:53 pikhq_: -ffreestanding, dawg 04:09:35 Gregor: BAH 04:09:59 Hmmm, I wonder if I am sold on Nix's runtime dependency model 04:10:44 It doesn't have any false positives, but I'm not entirely convinced it has no false negatives either 04:12:13 I solved the atomic branch change problem Gregor, you just need to write it as an @ module and you'll get atomicity FOR FREE :| 04:12:18 * elliott helpful 04:27:46 elliott: I don't know what spec files are 04:27:49 so I dunno 04:28:11 coppro: How'd I build clang to use a different path to the dynamic linker 04:28:20 Specs files are http://sprunge.us/IDUC :P 04:33:39 elliott: oh, ok, not quite that bad I don't think 04:33:42 but kinda bad 04:34:00 I think Driver/Driver.cpp or DriverOpts or something is where that is processed 04:34:03 it's all hardcoded 04:34:29 coppro: well it's easy with gcc too if i patch the source :P 04:44:06 pikhq_: Bah, I might need to make / a unionfs after all 04:45:20 -!- DCliche has joined. 04:47:28 -!- Sgeo|web has joined. 04:48:48 -!- Darth_Cliche has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:00:45 "the C library function system() has a hard-coded reference to /bin/sh." 05:00:47 glibc, friends. glibc. 05:02:13 so very glib, c 05:02:32 Hey, who has libc.so ? 05:02:41 ssssssssssssh 05:02:48 we don't talk about that here 05:02:55 hey Gregor ;D 05:03:50 elliott: Hmm. I'm not sure what it could do other than be compiled with a reference to the shell. 05:04:02 Admittedly, it should be a configuration option. 05:04:33 -!- Patashu has joined. 05:05:04 What happened with libm.so, that's Gregor's right? 05:19:18 Nope, I have libdl.so. 05:20:18 -!- bd_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:20:23 -!- bd_ has joined. 05:46:17 -!- DCliche has quit (Quit: You are now graced with my absence.). 06:02:28 Yay, I think the Secret Project actually does help me immensely. 06:02:38 This is worrying; I now depend on both ais523 and Gregor. 06:11:38 oerjan: you should really look forward to the near future, wherein you get to deal with me implementing a lazy functional language from scratch 06:11:39 >:D 06:12:02 i can help a lot with laziness, yes 06:12:49 oh snap.e 06:14:03 wow oerjan is snape my typoes lead to discoverieres 06:15:44 man tcb passwords will fit so well with this system. so well. 06:17:12 hmm! since nix is like a functional make, i wonder what a functional tup would look like... oh ... wait ... oh god 06:17:18 pikhq_: tup is the upstart of build systems 06:18:40 pikhq_ quick be mortified with me 06:18:59 Oh. Dear. 06:19:22 It is literally based on the events-over-dependencies model oh god tup cannot handle only building some targets. 06:19:40 oerjan I need to get very, very drunk help me out here do you have alcohol in Trondheim I have booked a plane ticket. 06:20:33 elliott: Actually, tup can handle only building some targets. 06:20:48 pikhq_: How? 06:21:12 I have no idea on the implementation details, but "tup upd foo" will only build foo and its dependencies. 06:21:37 pikhq_: I suspect it marks what targets every target "contributes" to in the DB. 06:21:51 Which is... just an emulation of the dependency model, fast only because it's cached. 06:23:13 elliott: sure, it's just ten times as expensive as in england, is all 06:23:32 oerjan: oh don't worry. i won't be needing my money any more. 06:24:13 o kay 06:24:18 @ask ais523 How does the Secret Project handle scheduling being non-deterministic? 06:24:18 Consider it noted. 06:24:45 @ask ais523 Also, what kind of incredibly rough time estimate would you give for an open-source release of working code? 06:24:46 Consider it noted. 06:28:45 oerjan: btw i am dead serious about looking forward to the near future. you are going to have so much fun. 06:29:12 >:D >:D >:D> :D>:D> :D> :SD: S:A"|D: AS"|d; 06:30:21 zombie smilies 06:31:28 noooo nixos-jfp-final.pdf is so short i have already read it all 06:31:34 you betrayed me paper 06:31:58 elliott: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6554331/Papers_from_Philosophical_Transactions_of_the_Royal_Society__fro 06:32:01 have fun. 06:32:16 too big........ 06:32:48 CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT WAIT WHAT THAT MAKES NO SENSE. 06:33:26 http://content.yieldmanager.edgesuite.net/atoms/5a/10/ce/6b/5a10ce6be873ac8fc50583ea7bddb9.jpg ;; this ad.................. 06:33:36 GET YET GENETICALLY MODIFIED WOMEN WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO SAY "NO" 06:33:40 s/YET/YER/ 06:33:58 elliott: I'm sorry but my internet is adfree 06:34:07 you're missing out on so much 06:34:11 ads have become truly surreal lately 06:34:19 in fact, when I try to pull up that image in a tab by itself 06:34:24 adblock removes it. 06:34:27 so I clicked that 06:34:33 it's trying to make your life worse. 06:34:35 and it turned into a blank tab. so I had to refresh rapidly to see it. 06:35:29 elliott: I don't know it's pretty nice. I go to websites and only see typical internet shit 06:35:45 instead of all this other, lower-quality internet shit around the top, bottom, and sides. 06:36:12 I kind of forgot that thepiratebay had ads, actually. 06:36:32 does facebook have ads? 06:36:54 a few. 06:37:41 man, they're still trying to prosecute aaron swartz? 06:37:55 prose. cute. 06:38:02 CakeProphet: ? 06:38:13 that's how I read prosecute after looking at it again. 06:38:35 heh 06:39:11 Aaron Swartz is a heroic swashbuckler of the internet. 06:39:35 you're thinking of guybrush threepwood 06:42:28 ...who? 06:42:40 Cake "too lazy to google" propoojweijwei2kker 06:43:17 uh 06:43:33 anyone who doesn't know who guybrush threepwood is lives a very sad life 06:43:39 and needs to play the first two monkey island games 06:43:52 nah 06:43:56 (third is decent, laters are crap) 06:44:01 * CakeProphet plays CALL OF DOOTY BLACK OP ZOMBIES FUCK YEAAAAAH 06:44:05 CakeProphet: no. you _really_ need to. 06:44:07 also dwarf fortress. 06:44:24 ron gilbert is judging you. tim schafer is judging you. 06:44:27 feel their judgment. 06:44:38 ouch. 06:44:54 i even heard a mutter from schafer. he thinks you probably haven't even played grim fandango. i don't think he likes you any more, CakeProphet/. 06:45:05 incidentally snake is the best game ever made. 06:45:09 but only with no walls. 06:45:15 and wraparound screen. 06:45:33 it's a fascinating and telling metaphor for hubris. 06:47:12 the walls ruin the game completely. 06:47:37 as it confines you. it's no longer just about your vainglorious lust for little square pixel foods. 06:48:01 Seriously though anyone who hasn't played the first two Monkey Island games has lead an incomplete life. 06:50:52 CakeProphet thinks I'm joking; I'm not joking. 06:52:50 elliott: did you play amazon trail? 06:52:57 that game was better. 06:53:13 CakeProphet: I'm going to rip your limbs apart. 06:53:27 RIP YWROUIER;SDF WEHT LIMBS FKGOP 06:54:06 The score largely consists of reggae, Caribbean and dub-inspired music. 06:54:23 * CakeProphet lights a blunt and plays some Monkey Island. 06:55:02 oh, new homestuck. time to sleep. 06:55:16 wat 06:55:17 CakeProphet: play the secret of monkey island for fuck's sake. download scummvm. you can find the thing on any site. get the cd version so you get the mt-32 score. 06:55:22 do it. 06:55:35 I'll totally do that, howeve 06:55:35 r 06:55:42 I will not tell you anything about my gameplay experience. 06:58:49 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 07:00:19 -!- elliott has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 07:01:03 sometimes I feel like dedicating my whole life to the creation of perfect video games. 07:05:28 for example 07:05:35 Blind Psychic Kung Fu Master 07:05:43 in which you play a... blind psychic Kung Fu master. 07:06:07 you play the game entirely with audio cues. 07:06:52 you also have sound-based psychic senses that you can use, like sonar. 07:08:58 also a slow-motion power in which you fine-tune your highly trained kung fu master reflexes for a brief while. 07:09:58 also but there will be spectacular epic fight cutscenes. 07:10:07 with no graphics. 07:12:24 I guess there could be some kind of helpful visual interface. 07:12:31 but the idea would be that the entire game is playable by a blind person. 07:14:24 CakeProphet: Epdeet 07:14:27 Updoot 07:14:37 NOW NOW NOW 07:15:26 wat 07:15:49 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit (Quit: The Other Game). 07:15:50 I'm just going to wait 5 years from now after he finishes the whole thing 07:15:57 and then just read/watch/play all of homestuck. 07:16:07 Just. 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Now. 07:16:12 Noooooooow 07:16:25 fine. 07:22:17 longest load screen ever. 07:29:01 I assume you've seen it by now? 07:29:22 Or do you mean as the loader of the intermission? 07:29:36 (i.e. you're joking) 07:32:33 cascade 07:32:34 CakeProphet: there's a weird bug when you click replay 07:32:38 no I haven't seen it. 07:32:55 ...you haven't seen Cascade yet? 07:33:08 Go watch that, then the first [S] of the intermission 07:33:35 ....I'm watching it right now, obviously. 07:33:38 as I just talked about it loading... 07:34:41 dude this Cascade thing must have taken forever to mak =. 07:36:05 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: This thing needs a reboot). 07:43:14 -!- oerjan has joined. 07:48:54 @tell elliott Homestuck update. 07:48:55 Consider it noted. 07:49:43 @tell Phantom_Hoover Homestuck update. 07:49:44 Consider it noted. 07:50:19 Sgeo|web: I think elliott knows.. 07:52:29 Oh, I see it now 07:52:39 Well, night all 08:12:36 -!- Ngevd has joined. 08:33:22 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 08:33:53 -!- Ngevd has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 08:33:55 -!- copumpkin has joined. 08:58:16 -!- asw has joined. 09:22:22 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 09:40:10 -!- asw has quit (Quit: Leaving). 10:29:08 -!- Sgeo|web has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:12 -!- Madoka-Kaname has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:13 -!- FireFly has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:15 -!- oklopol has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:15 -!- Slereah_ has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:15 -!- quintopia has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:16 -!- variable has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:16 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:18 -!- pikhq_ has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:19 -!- Nisstyre has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:19 -!- Zwaarddijk has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:22 -!- yorick has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:23 -!- twice11 has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:24 -!- lambdabot has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:25 -!- CakeProphet has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:27 -!- Patashu has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:29 -!- HackEgo has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:31 -!- atehwa has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:34 -!- EgoBot has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:34 -!- shachaf has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:35 -!- Deewiant has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:35 -!- fungot has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:35 -!- fizzie has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:41 -!- coppro has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:43 -!- chickenzilla has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:44 -!- aloril has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:47 -!- bd_ has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:49 -!- MSleep has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:49 -!- SimonRC has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:50 -!- yiyus has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:50 -!- ineiros has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:50 -!- mycroftiv has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:50 -!- rodgort has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:52 -!- myndzi has quit (*.net *.split). 10:29:54 -!- mtve has quit (*.net *.split). 10:33:31 -!- glogbackup has joined. 10:33:32 -!- bd___ has joined. 10:33:32 -!- derrik has joined. 10:33:32 -!- Patashu has joined. 10:33:32 -!- Madoka-Kaname has joined. 10:33:32 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 10:33:32 -!- lambdabot has joined. 10:33:32 -!- Zwaarddijk has joined. 10:33:32 -!- atehwa has joined. 10:33:32 -!- oklopol has joined. 10:33:32 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 10:33:32 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 10:33:32 -!- coppro has joined. 10:33:32 -!- FireFly has joined. 10:33:32 -!- quintopia has joined. 10:33:32 -!- yorick has joined. 10:33:32 -!- variable has joined. 10:33:32 -!- EgoBot has joined. 10:33:32 -!- shachaf has joined. 10:33:32 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 10:33:32 -!- chickenzilla has joined. 10:33:32 -!- fizzie has joined. 10:33:32 -!- fungot has joined. 10:33:32 -!- Deewiant has joined. 10:33:32 -!- HackEgo has joined. 10:33:32 -!- twice11 has joined. 10:33:35 -!- glogbackup has left. 10:33:40 -!- MSleep has joined. 10:33:40 -!- ineiros_ has joined. 10:33:40 -!- aloril has joined. 10:33:59 RIP freedom of the press 10:34:32 -!- mycroftiv has joined. 10:42:56 -!- rodgort has joined. 10:52:17 -!- SimonRC has joined. 10:52:17 -!- myndzi has joined. 10:52:17 -!- yiyus has joined. 11:16:12 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 11:16:51 Are we? :\ 11:19:03 are we what? 11:19:05 who is we? 11:19:21 oh. 11:19:50 well, no. the extradition appeal failed, so he's going to Sweden for questioning and formal charging. 11:20:51 but the US may try to extradite him so that they can prosecute him. Though, I believe it would be a difficult case for them. 11:22:20 I find it strange that he's been under arrest this entire time without any formal charges. 11:23:53 but that's just how the Swedish legal system works I guess. they don't issue formal charges until after questioning, or something. 11:23:54 -!- myndzi\ has joined. 11:26:49 -!- myndzi has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 11:33:27 > var "Hello, World!\n" 11:33:28 Hello, World! 11:34:10 > fix (fun "I told you about the stairs, bro") :: Expr 11:34:11 I told you about the stairs, bro (I told you about the stairs, bro (I told ... 11:49:09 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:49:30 -!- sebbu has joined. 11:50:47 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 11:50:47 -!- sebbu has joined. 12:01:30 -!- Ernestas14 has joined. 12:01:40 -!- Ernestas14 has left. 12:22:25 -!- Vorpal has joined. 12:29:34 -!- derrik has quit (Quit: back to 3d). 12:39:16 -!- mtve has joined. 12:43:33 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:43:58 -!- copumpkin has joined. 13:02:07 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:41:13 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:10:37 -!- augur has joined. 14:12:19 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:12:44 `quote 14:12:51 500) _ | |__ _ _ ___ | '_ \| | | |/ _ \ | |_) | |_| | __/ |_.__/ \__, |\___| 14:13:01 ... what a great quote 14:13:20 -!- augur has joined. 14:13:44 `delquote 500 14:13:46 *poof* 14:13:50 `quote 14:13:53 596) well, oerjan has a lot of opinions on this, so I'll hand it over to him 14:13:55 A part was missing 14:13:58 Unless it was a typo 14:14:04 Such as ... the funny part? 14:14:26 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:14:28 Well, I find something like 1% of the existing quotes funny 14:14:39 This is because you are: terrible. 14:14:40 Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 14:14:41 So I've given up caring about that 14:14:48 `quote 14:14:51 404) hey fhet's zeees OouooH SNEP IT'S A FOooCKING TIGER 14:21:51 Dammit HackEgo, stop letting down the side. 14:33:43 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 15:07:25 -!- copumpkin has joined. 15:10:12 -!- tiffany has joined. 15:15:31 -!- MSleep has changed nick to MDude. 15:19:21 -!- bd___ has changed nick to bd_. 15:58:53 -!- monqy has joined. 16:00:09 -!- derdon has joined. 16:36:03 -!- sllide has joined. 16:40:46 Well, I find something like 1% of the existing quotes funny <-- I mostly agree 16:45:22 god bless military industrial complex america 16:48:19 CakeProphet, planning to follow that remark up with anything? 16:50:28 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Excess Flood). 16:50:49 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 16:53:20 No, it's just a sincere idle thought. 17:05:49 "Mangas slid down the wall, leaving a trail of something black behind them. When they hit the ground they opened and closed and in doing so improvised a sort of locomotion that brought them ever closer, inch by inch, flap by flap, to the bed where I lay paralyzed. I lost sight of them as they drew closer, but then felt, with an odd calmness, the cold wet touch of mangas sliding up my leg." — Dinosaur Comics 17:10:19 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 17:25:14 Gregor, ... lol 17:25:30 Gregor, is that mangas as in Japanese comics? 17:25:44 Yup 17:26:14 I guess I have to check it out for the context, though that probably won't help 17:40:02 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 17:40:42 -!- copumpkin has joined. 17:55:05 -!- pumpkin has joined. 17:56:55 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 17:59:47 -!- elliott has joined. 18:00:07 -!- copumpkin has joined. 18:00:57 -!- copumpki_ has joined. 18:01:35 -!- pumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:01:45 07:48:54: @tell elliott Homestuck update. 18:01:45 elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 18:01:53 do you really think that will in any way help 18:02:48 07:32:55: ...you haven't seen Cascade yet? 18:02:48 07:33:35: ....I'm watching it right now, obviously. 18:02:48 07:33:38: as I just talked about it loading... 18:02:54 oh wait cakeprophet isn't here 18:03:26 14:12:44: `quote 18:03:26 14:12:51: 500) _ | |__ _ _ ___ | '_ \| | | |/ _ \ | |_) | |_| | __/ |_.__/ \__, |\___| 18:03:26 14:13:01: ... what a great quote 18:03:26 14:13:20: -!- augur has joined #esoteric. 18:03:26 14:13:44: `delquote 500 18:03:32 Gregor: You just deleted a part of history. 18:04:16 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:04:53 -!- copumpki_ has changed nick to copumpkin. 18:04:54 -!- copumpkin has quit (Changing host). 18:04:54 -!- copumpkin has joined. 18:33:03 -!- elliott has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:39:35 -!- elliott has joined. 18:39:39 Well that was unexpected. 18:43:05 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:43:27 -!- sebbu has joined. 18:43:27 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 18:43:27 -!- sebbu has joined. 18:50:55 ais hurry up and answer my inconsequential questions. 19:04:15 -!- ais523 has joined. 19:04:40 yes good hi ais523 19:04:44 i summoned you 19:05:09 it was just coincidence 19:05:10 ais523: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. 19:05:12 but perhaps a useful one 19:05:15 @messages 19:05:15 elliott asked 12h 40m 57s ago: How does the Secret Project handle scheduling being non-deterministic? 19:05:15 elliott asked 12h 40m 29s ago: Also, what kind of incredibly rough time estimate would you give for an open-source release of working code? 19:05:31 Yesssssss finally my amazing questions will be answered 19:05:40 elliott: it does handle scheduling being non-deterministic, but the explanation as to how is not a simple one 19:05:41 Oh wow, @ask actually makes it say "elliott asked". 19:05:42 Exciting. 19:05:49 ais523: Is that another way of saying it's secret? 19:06:12 no, it's a way of saying that I will explain it eventually, probably, but am not feeling up to it right now 19:06:23 as I've only just got online 19:06:26 maybe later today 19:07:12 heh 19:08:10 ais523: What about this one: Would there be a way of giving the running program access to a filesystem from the host? (/not/ a block device or anything) 19:08:17 (Read-only access) 19:08:40 elliott: yes, I've been doing that for testing, by mounting the host directory read-only inside the test filesystem with a loopback mount 19:08:57 ais523: great 19:09:10 ais523: I'm trying really hard to think of a non-packaging use case for this and I'm stumped :P 19:09:10 -!- ive has joined. 19:09:31 god 19:09:33 *good 19:09:49 note that the part of the Secret Project you know about is only a moderately small part of the Project as a whole; it's just the bit that has to be done first 19:09:51 ais523: no! bad :( 19:09:56 and if it's useful in its own right, all the better 19:10:14 yeah, I figure waiting and then mangling it to fit my needs is probably easier than rolling my own 19:10:44 ais523: I take it the second question is being deliberately not answered :-P 19:10:58 oh, I don't know the answer 19:11:03