00:00:02 > var$"kessel run" 00:00:03 kessel run 00:00:22 I'm using Parsec. 00:00:31 `frink kessel run -> parsec 00:00:42 Warning: undefined symbol "kessel". \ Warning: undefined symbol "run". \ Warning: undefined symbol "kessel". \ Warning: undefined symbol "run". \ Unconvertable expression: \ kessel (undefined symbol) run (undefined symbol) -> 3.0856775813057289536e+16 m (length) 00:00:50 disappointing 00:01:13 `frink kessel_run := 18 parsecs; kessel_run -> km 00:01:18 It craps its pants when I try to match string "->" after (evenIdentifier `sepBy` (char ',' `surroundedBy` ws)) 00:01:22 5.5542196463503121165e+14 00:01:29 `frink kessel_run := 18 parsecs; kessel run -> km 00:01:39 Warning: undefined symbol "kessel". \ Warning: undefined symbol "run". \ Warning: undefined symbol "kessel". \ Warning: undefined symbol "run". \ Unconvertable expression: \ kessel (undefined symbol) run (undefined symbol) -> 1000 m (length) 00:02:06 elliott: it's 12 parsecs you ignorant dolt 00:02:13 evincar: in what way? 00:02:18 oerjan: wrong 00:02:31 oerjan: that's only true for the millennium falcon 00:02:37 monqy: Unexpected "-". Expecting space or ",". 00:02:45 As though it's trying to continue matching the list. 00:03:06 evincar: you may need evenIdentifier `sepBy` try (char ',' `surroundedBy` ws) 00:03:06 what's the expected space about 00:03:14 For the record, the preliminary syntax is { x, y, ...; args; kwargs -> ... } 00:03:29 Where the ; sections are optional. 00:03:36 args? kwargs? 00:03:44 I'm just testing it on { x -> 0 } at the moment. 00:03:54 Rest parameters and keyword arguments, respectively. 00:04:04 i know but 00:04:08 ???????? 00:04:15 Don't worry about it. :P 00:05:05 anyway where's your rule to match -> 00:05:07 what's the whole thing 00:05:12 Using try there gives the same error. 00:05:14 One second. 00:05:29 evincar: iiuc your `surroundedBy` ws part is matching whitespace, right? so if there _is_ whitespace at the _end_ but not try it will have read characters to check for the delimiter which isn't there, and cannot give them back 00:05:29 rul;e/whateveervrr 00:06:00 normalLambda = lambdaExterior $ do 00:06:00 arguments <- evenIdentifier `sepBy` try ((char ',') `surroundedBy` ws) 00:06:00 string "->" 00:06:00 expressions <- evenExpressions 00:06:00 return $ EvenLambda (map identifierString arguments) Nothing Nothing 00:06:03 expressions 00:06:16 That's probably what's happening... 00:06:32 whbgat's surroundedBy 00:07:08 evincar: btw a general tip is too always gobble up whitespace at the end of a token and not the beginning (except for the whole program) 00:07:11 *to 00:07:28 this prevents that giving back trouble 00:07:32 surroundedBy :: Monad m => m i -> m o -> m i 00:07:32 inner `surroundedBy` outer = do outer result <- inner outer return result 00:07:41 Crap, lines got borked. :/ 00:07:49 i am 100% sure parsec has a combinator for that. 00:08:01 do { outer; result <- inner; outer; return result } 00:08:11 "between" although that requires writing it twice 00:08:25 -!- hagb4rd2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:08:26 outer *> inner <* outer 00:08:54 you know how to use Applicative right 00:08:59 that too 00:09:39 and what's ws 00:09:39 The surroundedBy works for list/map syntax, just not this part of the lambda syntax. 00:09:47 Shorthand for spaces. 00:09:59 == many space 00:10:04 spaces is a thing iirc 00:10:27 i am 100% sure parsec has a combinator for that. 00:10:29 or did you know that and just not want to type spaces 00:10:35 ?hoogle Parser a -> Parser b -> Parser b 00:10:35 No results found 00:10:42 I knew that and just didn't want to type spaces. :P 00:10:50 crys 00:10:58 evincar: (evenIdentifier <* ws) `sepBy` (char ',' <* ws), i think 00:12:12 Hold up, I'm gonna move some of the whitespace rules around. 00:12:12 evincar: even ignoring try, the problem was that the last evenIdentifier wouldn't gobble up following spaces. assuming you want that to happen. 00:13:49 Yeah, that's fixed it. I wasn't being careful enough with my whitespace rules. 00:14:11 Deewiant: Wake up and tell me what to use insetad of clyde 00:14:17 s/insetad/instead/ 00:14:39 what's cleyd 00:15:00 evincar so what's with that args quargs stuff why do you have it??? 00:16:07 * pikhq has somehow come across text that is both valid UTF-8 and obviously not UTF-8. 00:16:30 It's quite amazing, if horrifying. 00:16:39 go on 00:16:53 pikhq: probably using the ancient r'lyehan charset? 00:16:59 monqy: Easy variadic functions. Same reason Scheme has (define (f something . rest) (...)) 00:17:02 *character subset 00:17:20 oerjan: No, it's a .zip file that I *expect* to contain things in a Japanese encoding. 00:17:47 I'm *suspecting* it's something utterly insane like Shift-JIS shoved through the UTF-8 algorithm. 00:17:48 pikhq: SJIS mistakenly re-encoded as UTF8 via something else? 00:17:54 Yeah, that. 00:17:58 args can be kind of a mess and quargs is a big mess. I'd recommend at the very least keeping your language simple until you've everything sorted 00:18:32 Unfortunately, I don't think there's anything that could *sanely* invert that. 00:18:41 Hmm. Waaait. 00:18:47 UTF-8 to UTF-16 conversion? 00:19:08 monqy: Thanks for the recommendation. I was going to get the basics working first, but I want the syntax to be there when I need it later. 00:19:10 troubles include: added syntax, requirement of putting lists and maps in the core language, troubles writing generic apply etc etce tce tfccccc 00:19:27 for your language replace apply with composition 00:19:31 (even bigger problesm>????) 00:19:41 generic apply is probably always good too though (thumbs up) 00:20:04 so you're making even general-puprose? 00:21:34 more importantly 00:21:53 args = no currying lol 00:21:54 which means your language is insatntly unusable shit, fact. 00:22:28 i thought we had already established no currying but haha/yeah 00:24:32 I had assumed it had some fancy magical alternative to curreying which eveincar had thought over very well and knew the implications of etc etc 00:24:55 yes, that's a common aspect of features of this language so far 00:24:58 It's not exactly magical, but it is pretty straightforward. 00:25:13 And it is basically currying. :P 00:25:17 oh? 00:25:23 You can have partially applied functions, if that's what you mean. 00:25:33 currying is entirely different 00:25:41 from partial application 00:28:09 If functions of multiple arguments are treated the same as functions of a single argument that return functions, then for all practical purposes, they're the same. 00:28:55 they are fundamentally different but currying allows for partial application is what you're saying right 00:29:20 Yes. 00:30:34 So Even has currying, and partial application implemented atop that, plus syntax for fixing arguments of a function other than the first. 00:30:52 It's just that internally, functions *do* take multiple arguments. 00:31:03 even has currying? 00:31:04 that sounds elegant and practical. 00:31:33 Can't tell if you're serious. :/ 00:31:34 and yeah what elliott said; it's a fucking mess 00:31:41 ...ghc has much of that too 00:31:48 hint: if i'm praising your language i'm not serious 00:31:57 oerjan: yes i totally believe that "internally" means "completely hidden from the user and an implementation detail" 00:32:07 rather than "hidden behind a thin layer of syntax" 00:32:32 evincar: you claim it has currying, yet you have demonstrated it doesn't; ??????????????????????? 00:33:01 it is... 00:33:03 and it isn't 00:33:05 let the poor guy implement it, then it will become obvious to him if/that it doesn't work 00:33:16 ^ that. 00:33:17 zennest langauge 00:33:39 oerjan: he is implementing it, also talking about it 00:33:39 we're interrupting the latter, not the former 00:33:55 WELL I'M SICK OF IT 00:33:57 I don't entirely believe it will become obvious if he has fundamental confusion 00:33:58 * oerjan runs away 00:34:39 it may become obvious that something's wrong, but not necessarily what. alternatively, it could seem as though nothing is wrong because of misinterpretation/misdescription 00:34:47 maybe i am not trusting enough??? 00:36:13 I think you're not trusting enough. 00:36:20 I could just be very, very bad at explaining what I mean. 00:42:34 go go distro install 00:42:39 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:56:45 Welp. I'm at a complete loss. 01:00:35 It's now not valid UTF-8, but it's not valid anything else, either. 01:02:04 I'm suspecting endianness. 01:02:52 well so switch the bytes, then 01:03:08 Which is nontrivial if it's Shift-JIS. 01:03:23 Or anything but UTF-8... 01:03:41 Damned variable-width encodings. 01:04:19 -!- elliott has joined. 01:04:57 well if you have read the utf-8 in as code points into a program, shouldn't you be able to print it in any other format you wish 01:06:25 Except the UTF-8 is merely the result of horrific mangling, and not anything sensible. 01:07:06 i thought you said you thought it was something encoding it as utf-8, in which case shouldn't the codepoints contain all the original information 01:07:20 What I have is filenames which have been shoved through *some* sort of process, with one step involving the application of the UTF-8 algorithm. 01:07:53 just the filenames? 01:08:07 The text is apparently valid Shift-JIS. 01:09:05 oh well i don't know anything more about this 01:09:14 i hate people on irc who ask for more detail about a question and then say nothing more about it :( 01:09:15 My money's on SJIS -> ISO 8859-1 -> UTF-8. 01:09:43 elliott: wait are you referring to me :( 01:09:49 no 01:09:52 :) 01:09:55 people in #archlinux 01:10:15 oerjan: To be hated by elliott isn't exactly a difficult distinction to achieve. 01:10:29 translation: :'( 01:10:35 evincar: true, but i seem to have strangely evaded it so far 01:10:56 Hah, I haven't. 01:17:05 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 01:18:09 -!- tiffany has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:19:55 Got it. 01:19:55 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 01:20:14 It's *just* Shift-JIS with each *byte* having the UTF-8 algorithm applied. 01:20:21 iconv -f utf-8 -t utf-16 | tr -d '\0' | tail -c +3 | iconv -f shift-jis -t utf-8 01:20:22 :D 01:21:08 which is more or less what evincar said 01:22:10 with the first -> meaning "reinterpreted as" 01:24:31 That was really, really nasty. 01:27:33 This has happened to me before... 01:28:24 Congratulations on your newfound filenames. 01:28:28 What does the archive contain? 01:28:44 (Insert joke about the illegal or pornographic nature of a corrupt Japanese archive.) 01:29:24 The novel series "キノの旅", in reasonably formatted text. 01:36:07 oerjan: so what was u2b about, i never got that 01:36:44 oklopol: youtube, sheesh 01:37:12 -!- cheater has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:37:38 -!- cheater has joined. 01:37:46 oh, it was that one 01:37:50 pikhq_: i have this sense i may have seen an anime episode of that once, perhaps #10 on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kino%27s_Journey_episodes 01:38:06 actually only part of the episode 01:39:28 oerjan: don't be silly, you're norwegian 01:40:34 oerjan: It's a fairly good anime, and so I'm interested in seeing if the books are as good and/or better. 01:41:09 NOTE TO SELF 01:41:11 NOTE TO SELF 01:41:15 _COPY BACK THE BACKUP BEFORE INSTALLING ARCH_ 01:41:19 elliott: it was sent around midnight on some satellite channel when i was visiting my aunt 01:42:41 actually it may even have been a norwegian channel 01:44:08 -!- elliott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:46:28 -!- elliott has joined. 01:46:30 elliott@dinky:~$ sudo partprobe 01:46:30 Error: Invalid partition table - recursive partition on /dev/sdb. 01:46:32 oh good... 01:47:12 G'night all. Thanks for the assistance, as always. 01:47:15 -!- evincar has quit (Quit: leaving). 01:47:16 yo dawg i heard you like partitions 01:47:23 -!- ive has joined. 01:48:09 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:52:44 -!- cheater has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:53:13 -!- cheater has joined. 01:53:16 @list remember 01:53:17 quote provides: quote remember forget ghc fortune yow arr yarr keal b52s brain palomer girl19 v yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw protontorpedo nixon farber 01:53:28 @remember how does this work? 01:53:28 Done. 01:53:47 @quote how does this 01:53:47 how says: does this work? 01:54:01 @forget how does this work? 01:54:01 Done. 01:54:05 @quote how does this 01:54:05 No quotes match. Just what do you think you're doing Dave? 01:56:42 @quote Haskell 01:56:43 Haskell says: I'm a bitching language 01:56:55 @quote JavaScript 01:56:56 donw says: [of JavaScript booleans] I've heard of duck-typing, and static-typing, but this is the first time I've heard of Schrödinger-typing... 01:57:07 X-D 01:59:26 @quote JavaScript 01:59:27 Jafet says: Javascript is pretty much a DSL for making your web browser take up more CPU 01:59:31 @quote JavaScript 01:59:31 medfly says: I wanted to use xmonad and yi, just to be cool like that, but to write javascript. 01:59:33 @quote JavaScript 01:59:34 medfly says: I wanted to use xmonad and yi, just to be cool like that, but to write javascript. 01:59:35 @quote JavaScript 01:59:36 medfly says: I wanted to use xmonad and yi, just to be cool like that, but to write javascript. 02:04:14 @quote repetitive 02:04:15 No quotes match. Maybe if you used more than just two fingers... 02:05:22 @quote JavaScript 02:05:23 medfly says: I wanted to use xmonad and yi, just to be cool like that, but to write javascript. 02:05:24 @quote JavaScript 02:05:24 medfly says: I wanted to use xmonad and yi, just to be cool like that, but to write javascript. 02:05:25 @quote JavaScript 02:05:26 donw says: [of JavaScript booleans] I've heard of duck-typing, and static-typing, but this is the first time I've heard of Schrödinger-typing... 02:26:54 -!- elliott_ has joined. 02:26:58 Anyone know GRUB2? 02:30:35 oerjan: btw you can remove the numbers from the topic. 02:30:46 1234567890!@#$%^&*() 02:31:26 aww 02:31:39 oerjan: well you can leave them if you want :P 02:31:48 -!- oerjan has set topic: EPL evening school assignments! http://tinyurl.com/5stnu5n | It's the end of an era | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 02:32:04 pikhq_: Can you find out whether GRUB2 can boot from JFS or not; I can't really browse the web from this :P 02:36:42 Oh well, let's assume "yes" 02:37:22 Seems it's "yes". 02:37:56 Good, I assumed right :P 02:38:18 Yay, #grub agree. 02:38:30 pikhq_: Thanks 02:45:35 pikhq_: Oooooooooops 02:45:41 pikhq_: Not the same for GRUB1, is it 02:45:48 Looks like Arch still uses GRUB1 for some insane reason 02:48:02 I can just install GRUB2, but this is still annoying :/ 02:49:02 -!- elliott_ has changed nick to elliott. 02:49:21 -!- elliott has quit (Changing host). 02:49:21 -!- elliott has joined. 02:51:57 meh, time to redo i guess 02:52:02 pikhq_: quick, give my /boot partition a size 02:54:38 -!- NDandy has joined. 02:54:50 What up, yo? 02:55:04 NDandy: Pssst, give my /boot partition a size. It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, 02:55:25 Hmm 02:55:30 What's the upper bound? 02:55:35 And what are you booting? 02:55:39 Probably 100. And Linux. 02:55:45 I usually go for 4 GB or so 02:55:51 ...for /boot? 02:55:57 How big are your kernels? 02:56:04 I tend to go with 100M. 02:56:07 Even 100 is massively overshooting it if you're not a kernel dev :P 02:56:07 And that's overkill. 02:56:15 I suppose 02:56:19 I just overdo space 02:56:21 How big are your disks 02:56:22 It's so cheap 02:56:25 df -h 02:56:28 How much of /boot is being used :P 02:56:36 It'll be like one percent of a percent. 02:56:40 20M! 02:56:41 OS X, remember? 02:56:50 Oh. 02:56:55 Also, go 100M 02:56:58 initrd is apparently huge. 02:56:58 pikhq_: Ooh ooh should I make it 100 or 128. 02:57:01 Should be sufficient 02:57:10 Oh wait this isn't an SSD. 02:57:11 Also, any awk wizards, perchance? 02:57:12 100 it is 02:57:17 NDandy: I'm ... decent at awk. 02:57:19 elliott: 100 MB or 128 MiB, :) 02:57:26 I wrote some part of a Lisp in awk once. 02:57:31 elliott: That makes you better than me, most likely 02:57:41 I'm just trying to save some time at work, and I'm almost there 02:58:26 To be perfectly honest, Perl is probably less painful than awk. 02:58:35 It's way uglier, but you run into awk's limitations really qucikly. 02:59:08 This script is pretty ugly, anyway 02:59:09 http://hpaste.org/53187 02:59:26 Data I'm working with: http://giraffe.uvm.edu/~rgweb/batch/enrollment/curr_enroll_201101.txt 03:00:09 So what's the problem 03:00:13 Also, are you meant to use gsub like that 03:00:14 I could probably just pipe through grep a few times to get the same effect, but I wanted to try something new 03:00:20 Pretty sure gsub returns a string 03:00:22 i'm rather awkward at awk 03:00:24 And you're meant to use it in the {} part 03:00:29 I might be wrong though :P 03:00:35 Well, it works, and that's what I'm working with :D 03:00:39 Fair enough 03:00:54 I'm so glad this livecd gives me a large framebuffer console 03:00:58 Or this would be unbearable 03:00:59 IRC, I mean 03:01:10 I just want to add the numbers at $9 when $2 is equal on multiple lines 03:01:23 <3 livecds 03:01:36 -!- MDude has changed nick to MSleep. 03:01:39 I don't get your explanation of whaty ou want to do 03:01:57 $9 is the number of students enrolled in a particular class 03:02:01 $2 is the class number 03:02:12 So you want to consolidate lines? 03:02:30 Right, and I'd like to add the values in $9 at the same time 03:02:47 BEGIN{n=0;foo=""} $2==foo{n+=$9} {print n; foo=$2; n=$9} 03:02:51 There's something to start you off with 03:02:56 Note that it prints 0 on startup... 03:03:19 holy crap 03:03:29 guy in #archlinux 03:03:35 trying to get openbox to work 03:03:40 turns out he hasn't got x started 03:03:42 people tell him to install it 03:03:46 he says he opted not to install x 03:03:51 they tell him openbox needs x 03:03:56 he says he thought x was just another wm like openbox :P 03:04:15 arch users: like ubuntu users, but with chainsaws 03:08:52 -!- elliott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:16:32 Are there any languages on the esowiki with "random" effects ? 03:16:39 for certain operators or functions 03:18:25 noit o' mnain worb for instance 03:18:38 is pretty random 03:18:53 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:19:25 @hoogle m a -> m a -> a -> a -> a -> m a 03:19:26 Text.Parsec.Error showErrorMessages :: String -> String -> String -> String -> String -> [Message] -> String 03:19:27 Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec.Error showErrorMessages :: String -> String -> String -> String -> String -> [Message] -> String 03:19:27 Control.Monad liftM5 :: Monad m => (a1 -> a2 -> a3 -> a4 -> a5 -> r) -> m a1 -> m a2 -> m a3 -> m a4 -> m a5 -> m r 03:19:30 @hoogle m a -> m a -> (a -> a -> a )-> m a 03:19:31 Data.IntMap unionWith :: (a -> a -> a) -> IntMap a -> IntMap a -> IntMap a 03:19:31 Data.IntMap intersectionWith :: (a -> b -> a) -> IntMap a -> IntMap b -> IntMap a 03:19:31 Data.List deleteFirstsBy :: (a -> a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] -> [a] 03:19:39 @hoogle m a -> m a -> (a -> a -> a) -> m a 03:19:40 Data.IntMap unionWith :: (a -> a -> a) -> IntMap a -> IntMap a -> IntMap a 03:19:40 Data.IntMap intersectionWith :: (a -> b -> a) -> IntMap a -> IntMap b -> IntMap a 03:19:40 Data.List deleteFirstsBy :: (a -> a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] -> [a] 03:20:13 @hoogle (a -> b -> c) -> m a -> m b -> m c 03:20:14 Control.Monad liftM2 :: Monad m => (a1 -> a2 -> r) -> m a1 -> m a2 -> m r 03:20:15 Control.Applicative liftA2 :: Applicative f => (a -> b -> c) -> f a -> f b -> f c 03:20:15 Prelude zipWith :: (a -> b -> c) -> [a] -> [b] -> [c] 03:20:18 @src liftM2 03:20:19 liftM2 f m1 m2 = do { x1 <- m1; x2 <- m2; return (f x1 x2) } 03:20:28 :t liftA2 03:20:29 forall a b c (f :: * -> *). (Applicative f) => (a -> b -> c) -> f a -> f b -> f c 03:20:43 oh it was there 03:21:26 @src liftA2 03:21:26 liftA2 f a b = f <$> a <*> b 03:22:14 -!- augur has joined. 03:22:23 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 03:22:33 -!- copumpkin has joined. 03:25:41 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:40:42 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 03:40:43 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Changing host). 03:40:43 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 03:51:49 -!- NDandy has quit (Quit: brb, Troll 2). 03:57:25 -!- elliott has joined. 03:57:33 sup 03:59:22 elliott: kmc's exciting bug is up. 03:59:26 http://hpaste.org/53188 03:59:54 shachaf: That's only a bug because people project their desires onto unsafePerformIO. 04:00:09 elliott: i appear to have started archive binging yet another fantasy gamer comic 04:00:20 Which 04:00:25 XD 04:00:28 elliott: Desires like "it should do what it says it'll do"? 04:00:44 shachaf: Where does unsafePerformIO guarantee the IO will only be done once? 04:00:55 elliott: In GHC? 04:01:04 shachaf: You're writing unportable programs??? 04:01:11 GHC shouldn't support such riff-raff. 04:01:23 elliott: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base/System-IO-Unsafe.html 04:01:56 Yes yes that's just the evil effects of popular demand. 04:02:15 that's deep, man 04:02:27 See, people demand the value of IO actions. 04:02:28 Popularly. 04:02:32 And... yeah. 04:03:27 kmc: Since when are you in here? 04:03:32 Since ages. 04:03:34 It's an infestation. 04:03:51 `quote kmc 04:03:53 No output. 04:04:19 he doesn't deign _us_ with quotable material though 04:05:27 -!- Darth_Cliche has joined. 04:07:25 elliott: why http://yafgc.net/ of course 04:07:38 i thought i'd made that _perfectly_ clear 04:07:54 * oerjan coughs 04:08:46 That oerjan. So wacky. 04:08:54 pikhq_: You use Chromium and xfwm4, right? 04:08:59 -!- DCliche has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:09:34 Firefox and xfwm4 04:09:41 Oh. I thought you used Chromium. 04:09:52 * elliott is trying to get it to not look like shit (technical term). 04:11:27 hm, wasn't there a ghc function for specifically preventing more than one thread from entering a thunk? 04:11:44 oerjan: noDuplicate? 04:11:45 well there's the unsafeDupablePerformIO mess 04:11:49 That's what unsafePerformIO uses. 04:11:54 kmc is full of quotable material, by the way. 04:12:04 @quote kmc 04:12:04 kmc says: fuck me with a rusty chainsaw 04:12:13 oh dear 04:12:21 It's better than most of our quotse. 04:12:22 Is that cheater? 04:12:28 shachaf: oh so it _is_ actually supposed to prevent that thing...? 04:12:31 it sounds like something i *would* say 04:12:32 elliott: ..."quotse"? 04:12:36 shachaf: You're not meant to ping him. 04:12:39 Also yes, quotse. 04:12:40 i'm amused because whenever i poke my head in here, you guys are talking about haskell 04:12:42 http://quotse.cx/ 04:12:44 the real esoteric language 04:12:52 kmc: We gave up on finding anything more esoteric. 04:12:56 kmc: Don't worry, they talk about C++ too. 04:13:01 we have those esoteromorphisms 04:13:01 @quote kmc eso 04:13:02 kmc says: maybe the 9,639,482nd time we argue about C++ we will finally resolve the issue 04:13:04 you can't beat that 04:13:09 shachaf: hey that's slander! 04:13:16 @quote kmc eso 04:13:16 kmc says: C++ is at least interesting to learn. it's a good esolang 04:13:16 haha shachaf, that worked 04:13:37 @quote kmc 04:13:38 kmc says: type constructors are "functions" that operate on types 04:13:43 kmc: It's just because 90% of your quotes are about C++. 04:13:45 why is that quotable 04:13:46 What a quote. 04:13:49 @quote kmc c\+\+ 04:13:49 I'm in stitches. 04:13:49 kmc says: maybe the 9,639,482nd time we argue about C++ we will finally resolve the issue 04:13:51 @quote kmc c\+\+ 04:13:51 kmc says: I enjoy it when people write "C/C++" on their resume as if it were one language... so "F#/FORTRAN/Forth", "Perl/Python/Pascal", "Ruby/REBOL/R" 04:14:00 @quote kmc kmc 04:14:01