< 1319244059 780676 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god template haskell < 1319244060 876832 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3<3<3 < 1319244828 864114 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Template Haskell is good idea. Although, some improvements could be made, and it cannot do all things, such as, you might want some different kind of macro, so that you can make something like a polymorphic polymorphic function, as opposed to only normal polymorphic functions. < 1319244883 382891 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is how I proved Peirce's law in Haskell: < 1319244888 159388 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :peirce :: (Classical p, Classical q) => ((p -> q) -> p) -> p; < 1319244917 223162 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :peirce = unswitcheroo . contrapositive .> mapR (contrapositive switcheroo') .> mapR (map1 undoubleNot . undeMorgan) .> mapL ((,) ()) .> either snd fst; < 1319245042 97237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1319245080 693000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any instance (Classical p, Classical q) => Classical (p -> q) ? i'm not sure if one should be possible < 1319245113 772671 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do but I did not write the methods yet. That is what I try to do. < 1319245153 528837 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Specifically, I don't know how to write the law of excluded middle for (x -> y) or (x, y) or (Either x y)) < 1319245156 988456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Classical p is equivalent to having the axiom p \/ not p. hm. < 1319245179 367857 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, that is what I did. < 1319245201 329890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have y, then you have x -> y. so the question is, what if you don't have y. < 1319245211 528614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you have not y. < 1319245239 245593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then you have (x -> y) -> not x, i think < 1319245270 409415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have x, then it gives you a contradiction. < 1319245276 620141 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At first I write the instance for (Not x) separately but it is really a specific of the (x -> y) instance, so I commented out (and will later remove) the (Not x) instance. < 1319245279 208709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you have not x, and not y, what then < 1319245425 970294 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes those are the things I was trying to think of! < 1319245537 431232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lem = case (lem, lem) of (_, Left y) -> Left (const y); ... < 1319245677 26843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Right nx, _) -> Left (contradiction . nx); < 1319245727 508935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what of (Left x, Right ny) -> ... < 1319245743 350876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1319245787 522854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Left x, Right ny) -> Right (ny . ($ x)) < 1319245793 191439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it, i think < 1319245865 75565 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, thanks, that worked. < 1319245915 545955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (x,y), hm < 1319246005 592623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Right nx, _) -> Right (nx . fst); (_, Right ny) -> Right (ny . snd); (Left x, Left y) -> Left (x,y) < 1319246081 191732 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that worked. < 1319246093 554080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i try Either as well? < 1319246102 161959 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should think so. < 1319246166 850170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Left x, _) -> Left (Left x); (_, Left y) -> Left (Right y); (Right nx, Right ny) -> Right (either nx ny) < 1319246205 443881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit confusing, that one :P < 1319246221 415415 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is, but the compiler accepts it. < 1319246484 925206 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of explanation should I write on these things? < 1319246556 975110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well essentially this is dividing up according to the boolean truth table of the operations, somewhat... < 1319247644 727332 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have made up a way of making classical logic in Haskell which is completely different from all other ways that other people have made up before that I know of. < 1319248154 305369 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the non-program part of this Haskell program, I have already used three different accent-mark/special-letters. < 1319248241 802822 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Specifically, \O, \"o, and \=o.) < 1319248272 854673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\O ? are you crediting me? :P < 1319248308 253482 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, for the part where you help me to make up the lem of some of the instances. < 1319248334 401041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is \=o again < 1319248335 438639 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-48.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319248345 297157 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is o with macron or "bar" < 1319248364 717947 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-230-59.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1319248430 628600 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Specifically, I was referencing "Ganto's theorem", on page 189 of Hofstadter's book) < 1319248443 340414 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And, of course, \"o is for the title of that book.) < 1319248472 834580 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them are form of letter O, as it is turning out!! < 1319248498 955358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1319248522 997893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you could sneak in a mention of Erd\Ho s as well... < 1319248529 957859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc) < 1319248619 131473 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I believe that is the correct spelling of his name (well, you need {Erd\H os} so that \H is one word by itself), but I don't seem to have something related to his things in this program, as far as I can tell. < 1319248639 174100 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What I mean by \H is one "word" is it is one control word) < 1319248707 183976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1319249606 802611 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319249619 596533 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derp, joined ther wrong channel < 1319250332 574925 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nub < 1319250337 494346 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my new car < 1319250338 793592 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is awesome. < 1319250354 435630 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it needs some maintenance, but it runs which immediately makes it awesome. < 1319250362 15300 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :1998 3.0L V6 Honda Accord. < 1319250435 930407 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-74.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319250439 440482 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-48.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319251639 15800 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a version 6 honda "accord" ... is that x86 compatible? < 1319252180 919658 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319252345 648363 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discard the notions of things changing/evolving in time, and then you can know the secret of time travel. < 1319253460 15511 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The secret of time travel is throwing yourself at the future and missing. < 1319253564 767165 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1319253698 938371 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: uh < 1319253708 962384 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that refers to a V engine. < 1319253722 89236 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_engine < 1319253803 334950 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that doesn't seem turing complete at all < 1319253805 832556 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the most compact engine layouts. Straight (aka inline) engines tend to be lengthier. < 1319253851 302282 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so it makes for more compact code? or just the engine that's more compact, and the code ends up larger? < 1319253905 882608 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not Turing complete, but it's much better at generating power/torque than puny computers. < 1319253975 771321 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, computers don't generally need to move stuff, just calculate it, so I don't see where that torque would be going < 1319254030 205515 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and that is the difference between cars and computer < 1319254034 476057 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, no I meant to say: < 1319254053 554942 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lololol compraring cars 2 comptuters so clevr" < 1319254081 441797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey physics is equivalent to information theory anyway < 1319254083 202588 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :comparing cars and computers? but the cars are stored in the computers ... < 1319254120 75123 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. stop. < 1319254193 506348 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1319254198 568909 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow my lab professor doesn't even bother to compile the driver code to ensure it works. < 1319254683 475342 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how so? < 1319254691 535429 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean that information theory is based on physics? < 1319254741 136457 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would engine displacement translate to information? < 1319255159 710049 :pagnol!pagnol@141.30.241.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1319255951 370138 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engine displacement information < 1319256079 57397 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically they're equivalent in that information theory can simulate physics with... physics information? < 1319256126 655825 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and physics can simulate information with information physics < 1319256152 218718 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought information theory used countable bits... doesn't physics specifically not use countable things? < 1319256155 224058 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, wait < 1319256155 747727 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind. < 1319256173 419189 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about those things called particles. < 1319256238 221197 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds it entirely silly that Java has a new keyword.
< 1319256263 401915 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the only use I see it serving < 1319256274 331853 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that it disambiguates the construction of arrays. < 1319256288 191575 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :new Object[10000] < 1319256309 311949 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I don't really think that's ambiguous < 1319256310 851736 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that < 1319256324 250600 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object[] arr = Object[10000] < 1319256326 20593 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks weird. < 1319256408 873468 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wehres the key word < 1319256448 254339 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying it's not needed... < 1319256467 376518 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hats hte keyworddw < 1319256495 555954 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C++ it's needed to distinguish between heap allocation and... ephemeral object constructor things. < 1319256520 565433 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Java doesn't have that distinction, so... < 1319256523 73572 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it there? < 1319256578 66196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : do you mean that information theory is based on physics? <-- the other way as well < 1319256603 58596 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, equivalence. :P < 1319258166 520741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1319258621 336493 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is superstring theories science or is it mathematics? < 1319259169 815824 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone play df? < 1319259173 926295 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the latest version of dwarf therapist < 1319260740 343640 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319261546 925325 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the physical universe have any lazy I/O? < 1319261856 349511 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that question has any meaning in that context. < 1319261919 741686 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :laziness is a property of the evaluation semantics of a programming language. Also, I'm not entirely sure what input/output would mean in the physical universe. < 1319262066 763794 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319262119 794511 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319262448 40998 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1319262909 669204 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I don't know either; I just thought about it for philosophical reasons. < 1319263604 78104 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyways, I do not think that lazy evaluation is exactly the same things as lazy I/O, anyways. < 1319264178 831156 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319264203 107577 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319264251 138450 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319264273 837855 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-74.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1319264346 577751 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1319264778 764742 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319264855 994791 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319265170 588477 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319265259 450729 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning < 1319265375 848827 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319265581 189177 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that in Australia everyone is a fervent royalist except for the politicians < 1319265908 623414 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1997 the AA Newsletter Transit invited astrologers to submit "articles of up to 3000 words which put forward a case for, and demonstrate, the Truth of Astrology -- whatever that may mean to the author". The results show how illogical everyone is in answering these questions. The winner looked at his own chart in advance, and predicted that he wouldn't win (he was wrong). Some responses are better than others, but none actually prove its trut < 1319265923 14063 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mankind questions everything. Skeptics challenge astrology because it has no obvious explanation. But there is no explanation of man's evolution, or of gravity, or of genes. They just are. The same with astrology. It is true because it exists." < 1319265946 563428 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1319265949 184430 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nobody has come up with a sure proof of astrology, otherwise we would know about it via the Astrological Journal if not the BBC. Its truth lies in its symbols and meaning. But we cannot know in advance which of countless possible meanings will apply, so the truth of astrology lies at a deeper level: Mars in Cancer is always Mars in Cancer." < 1319266034 62743 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemony cheese is always lemony cheese < 1319266136 321333 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One entry said that truth and facts are not the same thing (fact = it is raining, truth = what really lies behind that fact (such as clouds, gods, or whatever)). "Astrological truth is not like logical truth, such as if A=B and B=C then A=C. ... But like any language, astrology can describe truths." [but you can lie in any language as well! Worse, not everyone agrees on the language of astrology meaning. What is the use of language if nobody ca < 1319266209 862871 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Astrology is proved every time we read charts for clients. If it were false we would not have clients. Researchers look at isolated factors so no wonder their results are negative. ... However, the multiple meanings of astrological symbols means that these things cannot be predicted in advance. Once the life has been lived we see how the chart fits like a glove." < 1319266232 389215 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Actually any chart's interpretations will fit; even the wrong one.] < 1319266332 503152 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the entrants used astrology to prove that astrology must prove itself. < 1319266482 778940 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319266505 262911 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319266535 692416 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you want proof of astrology, use the same proof that applies to religion or painting or music, not to science" < 1319266550 793638 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you prove a painting or a piece of music? < 1319266762 845427 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH SCIENCE < 1319267246 511183 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a Jyte claim (a statement that users with OpenID can vote agree/disagree and comments) that says "People who make life decisions based on astrology freak me out." Well, not to me; although I would not make decisions in this way. An agreer commented "Unless they are making a decision where a sane person might flip a coin or use a cat." But my response to that comment is: "But, flip a coin is just head and tails! That is the difference." < 1319267320 596701 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What network thingies are the bots written in a non-networky language using? < 1319267379 134987 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1319267382 657645 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1319267549 669001 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319267747 962657 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319267778 185625 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1319267810 958859 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319267822 149564 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean like Brainfuck? I don't think there are any Brainfuck bots here < 1319267839 58236 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +[.+] < 1319267843 972256 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[.+] < 1319267844 618562 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
 .. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~�������������������������������������������������������������������������������� ... < 1319267851 718649 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it could be done by hooking stdio to IRC < 1319267852 805126 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a thutubot < 1319267858 706652 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fungot is written in Befunge-98 < 1319267859 465108 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: mist.page. i meane that my heart meanes no ill intent, but that he will steale sir an egge out of a note < 1319267866 429530 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, nope < 1319267868 583451 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, seriously? < 1319267869 221331 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, not nope < 1319267873 289559 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1319267873 917450 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1319267879 28891 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show bf < 1319267889 495048 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 has built in networking < 1319267902 554423 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^perl < 1319267906 245209 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Ngevd said that That's a thutubot < 1319267913 457850 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (
ACTION hugs Sgeo
)! < 1319267917 188038 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whats print in underload? < 1319267922 335612 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S I think? < 1319267930 694284 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Hello)S < 1319267931 83085 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1319267949 521784 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jyte.com/claims?by=zzo38computer.cjb.net&page=1 < 1319267981 886329 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (
ACTION hugs Sgeo
)S < 1319267982 420958 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs Sgeo
< 1319267990 377867 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some claims I disagree my owns ones < 1319268008 625379 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (`echo "test")S < 1319268009 223327 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "test" < 1319268013 158570 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignoring bots, eh! < 1319268016 67817 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"test" < 1319268016 823780 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :t> `ec < 1319268022 877648 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1319268053 695665 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does fungot ignore HackEgo? < 1319268054 363846 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: big. out dunghill: dar'st thou braue a nobleman? hub. why know you not < 1319268071 673807 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the bots ignore eachother < 1319268074 494662 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo ^ul (Nope)S < 1319268076 960619 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^ul (Nope)S < 1319268093 352038 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1319268093 981083 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: HackEgo didn't seem to ignore fungot < 1319268095 63635 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: aut. here's another ballad of a fish that appeared upon the coast, and, from the firmament: thy sunne sets weeping in the lowly west, witnessing stormes to come, with words more sweet, and cunning hand laid on: lady, lady < 1319268118 95653 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (
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)S < 1319268118 676075 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1319268134 368317 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, that's, um < 1319268138 875181 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319268144 201605 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (
ACTION hugs Sgeo
)S < 1319268144 601632 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs Sgeo
< 1319268154 451650 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (ACTION hugs Madoka-Kaname)S < 1319268155 60049 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs Madoka-Kaname < 1319268169 169137 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's using that weird byte thingy? < 1319268171 459665 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1319268175 670253 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, such uses of the command you should use with rarely. But it is sometimes of use. < 1319268223 958945 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319268229 402033 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Count the seconds it takes to stop thinking about this sentence. < 1319268252 866199 :ive!~nn@189.179.245.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1319268351 392791 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three < 1319268373 420809 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1319268376 494699 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? < 1319268389 781884 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure < 1319268397 890919 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too busy thinking about ars amatoria < 1319268416 399847 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1319268498 901212 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319268533 920338 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319268838 2306 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever pulsed a telephone manually? < 1319268843 880720 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1319268845 343324 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never < 1319268916 179048 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever built a telephone? < 1319268921 302600 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1319268923 15863 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never < 1319268976 221181 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never built a telephone (but would like to, at some time); I have, however, pulsed a telephone manually, even recently. < 1319269122 806688 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319269131 741490 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck Sgeo < 1319269139 530896 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, fuck the connection that causes Sgeo to do that < 1319269158 199730 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319269198 284033 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All trees are planar graphs! < 1319269271 815431 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Yes, I believe so. < 1319270149 635117 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of the dwarftherapists I try to use seem to be broken < 1319270197 888951 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same < 1319270248 830028 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a DF IRC channel somewhere < 1319270259 914796 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric-minecraft < 1319270511 632290 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have not figured out how to fix gopher movie time service < 1319270538 944681 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319270591 34829 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319270703 329726 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-214-157.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1319270765 980780 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-228-27.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1319270913 246353 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1319271018 860843 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319271089 943314 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319271578 587673 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1319271618 975885 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319271642 21307 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319271978 938331 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319272005 190297 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319272190 998528 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Just a quick game", he said at 1. < 1319272196 539299 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And pulled out a fucking board-wipe deck. < 1319272362 889696 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319272413 246485 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319272733 173120 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore < 1319272733 308394 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(EgoBot|HackEgo|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot|lambdabot)! < 1319272743 120164 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's who he doesn't care about. < 1319272760 984901 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1319272786 369149 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1319272834 451947 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how cruel < 1319272902 228968 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1319272918 163317 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a underload expression? < 1319272918 623916 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1319272941 811167 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but it is the result of Befunge code. < 1319272951 32068 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As fungot is written in Befunge. < 1319272952 112983 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: servant. my lord-- here shrowd till the dregges of the storme be past. this is the poyson of their hearts: god keepe you from them and from such false friends! prince. comes forward peace, ye fnord walls, where we did attend a suit, which was your shame, by this carriage. the hearts of kings, edwards vnhappy sonnes, do bid thee flourish. < 1319272962 929289 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319272971 198791 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a regex. < 1319273011 346062 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matched against the nick!user@host prefix, that's why the ! at the end. < 1319273036 411487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319273177 767583 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so then do you interpret the regex via Befunge or offload it? < 1319273212 338073 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an app^Wfingerprint for that. < 1319273236 622197 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The REXP one, I think. < 1319273242 502341 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1319273242 687667 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1319273247 14493 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1319273352 712311 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. (See lines 26 and somewhere around 110.) < 1319273400 615532 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1319273403 114708 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're kidding me~ < 1319273436 636454 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1319273442 884159 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... < 1319273443 79748 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319273449 551437 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :An obfuscated bot =p < 1319273466 980448 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319273476 670311 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a few of them < 1319273493 900363 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to write one in Piet as soon as I've figured out how < 1319273499 481948 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. It's the cleanest-written Funge-98 irc-bot I've seen. < 1319273514 230656 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly only by virtue of being the only one I've seen. < 1319273586 707215 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the block on lines 125-169 which does the babbling is not the most structured. < 1319273629 195789 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the underload interp at 310-347 is very clear. < 1319273696 618951 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1319273703 991395 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bf one at 351-372 (bytecode compilation) and 294-306 (execution) maybe a bit less so, but the execution bit isn't bad. < 1319273715 39018 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're implementing BF and underload then using them as the main languages < 1319273735 415366 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, not much of the botting stuff is done using those. < 1319273739 63850 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just user code. < 1319273748 43675 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1319273748 116756 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr < 1319273750 311945 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those. < 1319273775 73005 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show celebrate < 1319273775 145085 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/)S < 1319273775 803545 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :   |   |   |    `\o/´    |   |   |    `\o/´    |   |   | < 1319273775 876856 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  /|   |\  |\     |     /'\  >\  >\     |      |\ /|   >\ < 1319273776 22368 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 /`\                (_|¯´¯|_) < 1319273776 94880 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :               (_| |_)                    < 1319273781 403791 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rrrright. < 1319273822 915215 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1319273910 163689 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The 'ul' on that list is an Underload interp in bf; it got obsoleted when native support was added. It was so slow it just barely managed (foo)S within the cycle limit.) < 1319273947 641834 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1319273948 83491 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1319273948 779930 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |   |   |    `\o/´    |   |   |    `\o/´    |   |   | < 1319273948 954198 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : /'\ /|  /<      |      >\ /<   >\     |      >\  >\  >\ < 1319273949 91702 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                /`\                (_|¯´\ < 1319273949 163889 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :              (_| |_)                   |_) < 1319274123 911765 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Nomic a = Nomic (State (Nomic a) a) < 1319274138 943153 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319274179 222261 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319274303 743971 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I am foolishly building a water system, hoping that I understand pressure well enough to not flood my fort. < 1319274328 292635 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, pumps destroy pressure. < 1319274342 332517 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diagonal spaces, pressure cannot go through < 1319274357 433736 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1319274367 729155 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1319274370 326139 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just set up a waterwheel so I could try a pump. however < 1319274371 578190 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pumps create some too. < 1319274375 453648 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in winter < 1319274381 234420 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the water wheel will stop. < 1319274390 603085 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I also have a cistern < 1319274403 104749 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, maybe the cistern would flood my fort? < 1319274474 941226 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1319274475 905665 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even sure if my cistern works correctly. < 1319274478 305146 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll find out < 1319274479 186100 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but first < 1319274490 916597 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to make a drain valve. < 1319274512 467103 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can test stuff, shut it off, and remove the excess water. < 1319274577 861956 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1319274586 707913 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drain should really be at the bottom... < 1319274598 698082 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :these things are difficult to plan. :P < 1319274699 419236 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple drainage valves are fine. < 1319274726 81064 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of time consuming even for 3 legendary miners though. < 1319275003 28 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319275037 64150 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319275189 127804 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PART :#esoteric < 1319276375 709505 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone ever use undead other than zombies in ZOMBIE programming? < 1319276674 64244 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vampires or Djinn could make decent rngs < 1319276764 780433 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which obscure branch of computer science is the most interesting? < 1319276796 17907 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genetic algorithms in the context of stock markets < 1319276803 714910 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also the most profitable < 1319276982 950344 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in the context of biology, though I have no clue about the latter < 1319277046 879241 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any other suggestions? < 1319277228 839120 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a student of computer science and the lectures I am obliged to attend at the moment deal with the most common subjects (introductory stuff like automata, linear algebra etc.), so I would like to investigate some not so common topic < 1319277247 511259 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm not much help there < 1319277256 433907 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1319277269 419535 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm doing the first year of A-levels < 1319277279 729302 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maths, Further Maths, Ancient History, and Latin < 1319277288 131050 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have barely any Computer Science background < 1319277292 891846 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1319277295 768482 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really just what I've picked up here < 1319277322 797225 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319277373 209682 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you do invent languages? < 1319277380 554408 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1319277382 320514 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I remember < 1319277382 396387 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very good ones < 1319277410 498289 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you published the specifications or provided an interpreter? < 1319277421 601198 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just on the wiki < 1319277436 276584 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are they called? I'd like to have a look < 1319277452 855772 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brook, Constantinople, Luigi, MIBBLLII, Numberwang, and Nandypants < 1319277686 891369 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1319277693 318632 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319277713 662562 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luigi sounds interesting < 1319277758 879228 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the few esolangs to be demonstrated turing-complete by showing that arbitrary turing machines can be translated into it < 1319277885 857125 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1319278086 27362 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like the "proof" on the page a bit more if you'd have translated one of the universal ones. < 1319278101 95394 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pass me a universal one, and I'll do it < 1319278186 746900 :pagnol!~pagnol@141.30.241.116 QUIT : < 1319278188 266001 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mathworld.wolfram.com/UniversalTuringMachine.html if you can read their I-think-it's-really-wonky graphical notation. < 1319278554 999638 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db41480.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319278696 39760 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7725.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319279416 957874 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That better, fizzie? < 1319280296 438603 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: disappear < 1319280323 571450 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1319280348 176585 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1319280881 155488 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi NICK :atehwa < 1319281217 320058 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1319281929 396398 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1319282335 934889 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319282668 531993 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> " " ++ (unwords . map (\x -> "http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/"++show x++".png") $ [1..5]) ++ " " < 1319282670 950938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : " http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/1.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/2... < 1319282674 253 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...aww < 1319283585 465668 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyways I have a rudimentary water system now, with a cistern so I can store water in the freezing winter. < 1319283593 133389 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurah! < 1319283602 982307 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/r/rr/ < 1319283612 226680 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might also be able to turn it into a fishing room if I put bridges over it perhaps? < 1319283623 24740 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been having trouble catching fish for some reason. < 1319283641 867294 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's because all of the water supplies are a z-level below the land adjacent to it. < 1319283650 173026 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dig a channel < 1319283660 916436 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1319283667 756789 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, fishing room sounds badass too so I'll do that. :P < 1319283673 193516 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::d < 1319283682 786538 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the cistern should catch some fish during winter. < 1319283688 747391 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can FISH DURING WINTER BAHAHAHAHAHA < 1319283749 347072 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIIIIIISH!!! < 1319283794 527491 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.... < 1319283807 848023 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :any diagonal flow will completely negate all pressure always? < 1319283815 537049 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1319283822 340610 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm awful at water management in DF < 1319283833 798940 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may just set up one of those fancy perpetual motion water wheels and use a pump. < 1319283848 657763 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds cheap though < 1319283873 29097 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise my water wheel will die in the winter. I guess I should have connected it to the cistern. < 1319283900 590248 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, well, the cistern doesn't flow. < 1319283913 869576 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, perpetual motion machine. < 1319283915 398780 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good. < 1319283941 500465 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm, well < 1319283949 570417 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I want to set up a well in my hospital < 1319283960 340500 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can just install a floodgate to mitigate disaster. < 1319283974 409680 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, just a door actually. < 1319284051 641557 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I don't even really get what makes a floodgate different from a door. < 1319284067 653078 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that a door can be controlled my dwarves and floodgates much be mechanized. < 1319284070 656116 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*must < 1319284074 362097 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*by < 1319284176 915148 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh, maybe if I do some fancy pipework I can put a badass waterfall in my dining hall. < 1319284227 114952 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then drainage /not flooding everything / resizing rooms and rerouting pipes becomes very difficult < 1319284673 831451 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really understand how people sanely tunnel into magma/water sources. < 1319284681 823118 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it when the river was frozen < 1319284711 173943 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The weather's acting up < 1319284719 229495 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's summery < 1319284729 152124 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah I've noticed that too < 1319284730 921961 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :only some days < 1319284747 155435 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was frost not two days ago < 1319284861 768044 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my embark site has a volcano I believe. < 1319284909 315434 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have an easy supply of magma to, say, construct a moat around my impenetrable fortress wall with archer towers. :) < 1319284993 866481 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll, uh, focus on that later. :P < 1319285453 945589 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1319285905 679700 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be some kind of structure that converts magma flow into power. < 1319285918 190872 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to a water wheel but with much greater (possibly infinite?) power gains. < 1319285949 321947 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would allow you to power a magma pump stack with the magma itself. < 1319285992 696561 :bitdome!~karsten@p508DC513.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319286002 549274 :bitdome!~karsten@p508DC513.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1319286313 842059 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1319286652 194182 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1319287071 386759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1319287263 334581 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1319288175 183491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319289432 135480 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-9.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1319289432 228555 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-9.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1319289432 300540 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1319289499 259782 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319290865 214560 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1319292936 34031 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1319293010 453761 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1319295064 36927 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319296032 676492 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1319298089 727544 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1319299553 147362 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: gone < 1319299606 357362 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319300264 348257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1319301128 878908 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319301157 576693 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1319301605 631978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1319303071 766957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/w/index.php?title=Luigi&curid=4094&diff=24982&oldid=24836 < 1319303079 26966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: that doesn't prove it TC < 1319303081 656621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask ais523 if you want to know why :P < 1319303095 113062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ais523's proof requires an infinite initial state) < 1319303105 56748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: read it again < 1319303111 159262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not simulating the 3,2 machine at all < 1319303120 899652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2,3, surely < 1319303121 204994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's giving a 3,2 busy beaver - a different machine - as an example < 1319303125 245117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: umm < 1319303127 294393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I linked to a diff < 1319303128 899005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the order of the numbers isn't standardised < 1319303131 745570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't comment on it without reading the diff < 1319303133 851535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1319303135 309270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1319303141 295244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such a wide diff only half fit on the screen < 1319303149 360306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original proof is better# < 1319303162 157787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, there are turing machines which are TC with a finitely initialised initial tape < 1319303173 592762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wolfram machine isn't one of them, but they do exist < 1319303209 385324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1319303380 140037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilariously, Wolfram claimed a 2,5 machine universal in ANKOS, because it simulated rule 101 < 1319303394 140518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it had no way to simulate rule 101 with an infinite tape, which is needed for the universality proof < 1319303397 40772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1319303402 277532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was wrong < 1319303408 497346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I got to tell him this over the phone < 1319303424 628454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I fixed the universality proof of that machine, btw, but haven't posted the fixed proof anywhere) < 1319303711 901766 :ive!~nn@189.254.85.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319304849 522329 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1319304868 155295 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a standard notation for turing machines including initial tape lurking around anywhere? < 1319304905 895648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I know < 1319304916 341197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: set theory? :P < 1319304945 429314 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I could probably make a turing machine to Luigi translator < 1319305022 838143 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty easily, actually < 1319305239 493239 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1319305654 620566 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1319305788 976171 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ganto's theorem" follows directly from law of excluded middle: ganto :: (Classical p, Classical q) => (p -> q, Not p -> q) -> q; ganto (x, y) = either x y lem; < 1319305895 457202 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, Classical only has to apply to p, not q, since law of excluded middle is only used with p) < 1319305907 241443 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319305985 535286 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319305986 328735 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1319306123 473720 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1319306256 538295 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1319306570 396562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319306600 548250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How goes the invasion? < 1319306606 998422 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invasion what invasion < 1319306618 140264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See topic. < 1319306624 241178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: temporarily aborted, I think < 1319306627 593334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we want to clean up the mess first < 1319306636 660700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, pah! < 1319306644 262212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually /playing/ BlogNomic is encouraged, and even recommended < 1319306681 139673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst invasion. < 1319306779 66175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1319306972 708726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1319307036 360602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you X11... < 1319307042 590992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(crashed) < 1319308071 900208 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We actually talked invasion in here? < 1319308081 374739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1319308084 123761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in the topic < 1319308102 525010 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topic's logged too < 1319308114 840523 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc < 1319308134 238625 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because I totally should be talking about security) < 1319308145 61074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that 12345678^&! in the topic mean? < 1319308145 329743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot the agora-business archives < 1319308150 784165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like befunge code to me < 1319308156 186705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's befunge code. < 1319308158 657002 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it makes no sense as such < 1319308170 395486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well but what else is it? < 1319308172 830843 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made a shorter proof of Peirce's law < 1319308177 598998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: befunge code < 1319308179 562455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1319308180 607575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trefunge code < 1319308185 15961 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By eliminating one step < 1319308185 878773 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: elliott's numrow < 1319308190 774152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, oh < 1319308192 25991 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1319308196 45053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not fixed? < 1319308196 117272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also unefunge code < 1319308201 166497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not unefunge < 1319308205 517525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes unefunge < 1319308205 622611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ is not in unefunge < 1319308211 853585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is it just reflects < 1319308215 633477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1319308220 125001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly ok to reflect < 1319308227 875392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1319308373 61274 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :By that argument everything is *funge < 1319308405 719090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally < 1319308444 921198 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you 9 and 0 keys working or something? < 1319308446 299874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: echo 'echo "$1: Befunge code"' >/usr/bin/file < 1319308450 663859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1319308458 969351 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1319308531 754310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you forgot #!/bin/sh in that < 1319308534 957024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it won't work < 1319308538 219618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Wrong < 1319308543 864257 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? < 1319308545 58726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot chmod +x though < 1319308558 639682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@katia:~$ echo 'echo "$1: Befunge code"' >file < 1319308558 868061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@katia:~$ chmod +x file < 1319308558 940786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@katia:~$ ./file file < 1319308558 940960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :file: Befunge code < 1319308558 941074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@katia:~$ < 1319308572 215480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how comes that work? < 1319308575 3924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes no sense < 1319308581 435831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is that portable by POSIX? < 1319308606 461855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lets Vorpal figure out how the shell works.
< 1319308623 38473 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a mystery! < 1319308627 331364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm maybe it won't work when executed by exec()? < 1319308654 65445 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How's your compiler going? < 1319308659 990957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah executing it under strace for example fails < 1319308666 735472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've been busy subverting democracy. < 1319308673 662338 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I met edwardk yesterday and he told me all about the type checker that he's writing to procrastinate on making slides for his trifecta talk. < 1319308684 947484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so clearly it won't work for a /usr/bin/file, since it can only be executed from a shell < 1319308819 895096 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: nites < 1319308837 75201 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It *should* work just fine, actually. < 1319308862 598094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm < 1319308878 1230 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not a valid executable, POSIX mandates that exec shall pass the program to the shell. < 1319308886 682128 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not mandate #!. < 1319308891 831539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, really? < 1319308897 448498 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#! is not POSIX. < 1319308901 194005 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1319308902 656410 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange < 1319308912 893100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is it SuS though? < 1319308920 146074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not then SuS sucks badly < 1319308922 284261 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1319308928 903305 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "invalid executables go to the shell" is at least historical UNIX behavior. < 1319308932 536423 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, wait. < 1319308935 363968 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, #! is not SuS. < 1319308939 132974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1319308956 671445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is SuS defined these days btw? I haven't seen a SuS for POSIX 2008 yet < 1319309103 770455 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SuS is this: http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/toc.htm < 1319309116 867880 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With XSI and a few other POSIX-specified options mandated. < 1319309138 154913 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FSC, TSA, TSH, TSS, UP, and XSI) < 1319309159 140476 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think oerjan should correct the reference to the Astrolog program that he has on Agora Nomic's [First Speaker's message event's] Horoscope < 1319309200 94411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so the POSIX.1-2008 spec basically contains SuS? < 1319309236 595148 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1319309250 550723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oerjan is not online < 1319309264 209657 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1319309274 938755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: posix has always included sus since 2001 < 1319309283 486496 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319309287 609112 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1319309333 521678 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1319309561 34174 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1319309581 556169 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319309821 812310 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, r/AskScience modding has become aggressive as hell. < 1319309832 556152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :howso < 1319310230 61252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, go to front page. Look at thread. Note how half the comments in thread are deleted. < 1319310242 233314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not afaict < 1319310247 576495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, they're a default reddit now < 1319310248 304206 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's no more aggressive < 1319310251 328675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just means more people are making stupid comments < 1319310254 618119 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1319310255 112383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than more comments being deleted < 1319310258 947219 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same difference. < 1319310261 212350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1319310270 953659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your policy is to delete everything with an objective stupidity rating of at least N < 1319310280 654749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and being a default reddit causes a thousand times more comments that satisfy that < 1319310282 788163 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same. Difference. < 1319310287 475273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your moderation hasn't gotten any more aggressive at all < 1319310292 377415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't, I just literally explained now it isn't < 1319310300 262848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same. < 1319310303 77919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Difference. < 1319310307 136761 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then tell oerjan when they are online. < 1319310331 661818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you do it; there's ?tell < 1319310343 748235 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Tell oerjan whatever it was that you were supposed to, when e's online. < 1319310344 404283 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: rosa. why she hath a face of her owne distresse, or like to men prowd of destruction, defie vs to our shape, if this you purpose as ye speak, diana's temple is not distant far, where you shold but hunt with modest warrant < 1319310347 649930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are you deliberately trying to be stubborn in the face of anyone explaining why you're wrong < 1319310363 726623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nobody really cares if you think the policy is more aggressive if you're just going to say same difference whenever anyone says it's not < 1319310376 635432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm in a room which is about 30° too hot and I'm trying to watch Spaced. < 1319310737 498651 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1319310764 879027 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just finished watching whole EtosLab channel on yt
< 1319310902 329879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Same. Difference. <-- how? elliott's argument makes perfect sense < 1319310939 315778 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except in the sense that it failed to account for equality of differences. < 1319310949 620338 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, is there anything particularly good. < 1319310956 887098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, because there isn't any equality of differences < 1319310964 63312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RACIST < 1319310978 631525 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't even make any sense < 1319310983 672766 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I might make a METAFONT program for various astrological/astronomical symbols, and some additional symbols such as the phase of the moon (for printing calendars); symbols for solar system objects, including variant glyphs (like Astrolog supports), zodiac, fictitious objects, aspects, Ophiucus, etc < 1319310984 660909 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he does some nice contraptions < 1319310990 223574 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :like EMP < 1319311005 178282 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, how does that work? < 1319311008 65350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, got a link to any good video? < 1319311099 990530 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKJA2suBc7s&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLFD1682F2801E7ADF < 1319311100 299125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, I don't even get any relevant results googling for "EtosLab", just some facebook stuff < 1319311107 26493 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So it would include some that Astrolog does not have, such as Ophiucus, and the descending lunar node, and phase of moon symbols (like those used on calendars). Am I missing anything?) < 1319311108 346381 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ethos* < 1319311116 167850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, oh right, I copy pasted what you said < 1319311121 202298 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo < 1319311125 909516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Etho's. < 1319311159 145281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh mc vidoes < 1319311200 226906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hoped nooga meant real EMP.
< 1319311209 702597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And now to try it on my city." < 1319311219 68227 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking it'd disable all redstone circuitry. < 1319311226 816794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1319311230 226468 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fasmotjs0NA&feature=BFa&list=UUFKDEp9si4RmHFWJW1vYsMA&lf=plcp < 1319311232 387201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd fit one on the ROU. < 1319311244 643351 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :when he ties to beat Vechs' adventure maps < 1319311292 215818 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is quite smart and definately does unique stuff based on his own research < 1319311558 543566 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1319311564 862022 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone tried Terraria? :D < 1319311733 780452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, yes < 1319311740 60665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, kind of different from mc really < 1319311766 653649 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :while it might look like a 2D minecraft on the surface it is actually very different in gameplay < 1319311796 944403 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to watch some LPs but it looks soo boring < 1319311808 77143 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :they stay on the surface all the time and fight slimes < 1319311808 763130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder if you could disable redstone circuits remotely. < 1319311812 671561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without TNT or anything. < 1319311845 598097 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe pistons? < 1319311853 459766 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :push blocks with redstone wiring < 1319311940 644871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, completely remotely. < 1319311951 380072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With no access to the target. < 1319311965 240505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible unless there is a bug in the server < 1319311991 49583 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-65-236.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319311991 259334 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-65-236.telstraclear.net QUIT :Changing host < 1319311991 331742 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1319312003 644140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if torch burnouts were global rather than local... < 1319312026 93147 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1319312057 200356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ouch < 1319312069 450567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, thankfully it isn't < 1319312182 818489 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the new terrain generator < 1319312203 343923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. < 1319312214 694343 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1319312224 570246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too artificial. < 1319312267 184241 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like certain of the concepts *in* the new terrain generator. < 1319312275 127441 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most obviously, larger biomes. < 1319312289 273861 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ravines are a bit too common < 1319312301 393152 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the biome interfaces. < 1319312302 705750 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah, certain other things make it seem much *less* real. < 1319312311 145056 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, yes, biome interfaces. < 1319312322 879671 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :biome interwhat? < 1319312325 415440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're extremely sharp; the Perlin moisture/temperature stuff has clearly been altered. < 1319312331 682483 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1319312356 11886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the new stuff is annoying < 1319312365 158319 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey < 1319312376 936686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still on 1.7.3, partly because of that but mostly because I use the technic pack < 1319312396 39211 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how realistic can you get in a game in which everything is made from huge cubes < 1319312401 630941 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about realism < 1319312409 460073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : they stay on the surface all the time and fight slimes <-- try watching the TotalBiscuit videos of it. They are funny < 1319312418 127493 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the brit? < 1319312435 272862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not realism I care about; it's the fact that it's blatantly artificial. < 1319312462 540792 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but amusing < 1319312467 453900 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, yeah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lypSNqYE5XY for example < 1319312471 577616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, but yeah. < 1319312521 585948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, it doesn't amuse me when it's what you'd expect from someone with WorldEdit. < 1319312622 95435 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: example? < 1319312634 497538 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the new mountains. < 1319312645 24063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sides are too... smooth. < 1319312673 785272 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, recently Minecraft has been making some diversions from the aesthetic. < 1319312686 355308 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chests that aren't 1 m^3 and open... < 1319312690 171766 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Square moon and sun... < 1319312701 627016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the square moon and sun are still there, no? < 1319312707 224071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it is texture pack dependent < 1319312711 412368 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, not in 1.9pre3. < 1319312714 342523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*4 < 1319312714 669221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ouch < 1319312731 476476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, btw I don't have anything against opening chest. The smaller chest though... < 1319312755 556589 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Especially* since the animation seems to have made the break animation not work. < 1319312769 620971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ouch? < 1319312788 206455 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know how blocks show cracks as you break them? < 1319312791 197637 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chests don't. < 1319312827 258306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1319313053 213611 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the old chest size < 1319313055 329392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? My USB 3.0 controller is using IRQ 4294967277? < 1319313060 467879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that even exist!? < 1319313074 306973 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1319313090 432991 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there's hardly any IRQ lines. < 1319313107 558590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, maybe MSI? < 1319313113 302811 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grand total of 15 IRQs. < 1319313118 610385 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um.. < 1319313119 847313 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, 16. < 1319313123 454821 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my GPU is- oh < 1319313131 930838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, actually there are plenty of things up to IRQ 23 here < 1319313133 141868 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, when I had ubuntu my GPU was IRQ19 < 1319313138 69487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the big jump < 1319313172 270188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on my laptop I have up to IRQ 49: http://sprunge.us/PGGT < 1319313182 654692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :from ls /proc/irq/ < 1319313218 514656 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls /proc/irq < 1319313218 652851 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 1 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 2 20 23 3 4 43 44 5 6 7 8 9 default_smp_affinity < 1319313233 12599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so there might be a grand total of 16 historically but that no longer seems to be the case < 1319313256 743182 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1319313256 815494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevertheless, that IRQ 4294967277 to IRQ 4294967293 that my USB 3 controller is using... wtf < 1319313267 757735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, up to 4294967292 < 1319313288 396740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :4294967293 is used by my intel gbit ethernet and 4294967294 by my GPU < 1319313302 170977 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-. < 1319313308 407022 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything beyond that is straight-up lies. < 1319313317 751141 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IRQ lines are *physical lines*. < 1319313330 791708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you forgot about message signalled interrupts < 1319313345 526930 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, modern x86 is a habitual liar. < 1319313356 358731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message_Signaled_Interrupts < 1319313394 181067 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think oerjan should correct the reference to the Astrolog program that he has on Agora Nomic's [First Speaker's message event's] Horoscope < 1319313394 473025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1319313445 28953 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i would, but i have this strange nostalgic feeling about files with pre-millennium date stamps < 1319313493 433916 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that means no.) < 1319313495 771287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fake datestamps :) < 1319313504 38158 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THIS ONE IS REAL < 1319313556 261476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, MSI allows more than 16 interrupts. Because they are no longer physical lines < 1319313571 124545 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait argh < 1319313586 59715 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, OK, so that is why. Then put a separate file on the main page, next to the link for that horoscope, a note about the link for Astrolog being invalid < 1319313605 781876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: see, he has solutions to all your problems :) < 1319313625 234848 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: actually my protest is void < 1319313636 58026 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized i edited the file back in 2007 :P < 1319313648 298451 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK. < 1319313730 13459 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think i'll make a new parenthetical remark, and let the main text stand < 1319313831 223821 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK, do that; perhaps that will help. < 1319313867 457254 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Habitual. Liar. < 1319313871 77893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you mentioned those useless fsck of ext3/4, well one just happened to me, on /usr. Took all of 5 seconds. < 1319313894 543021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, they are accurate. Due to MSI. < 1319313905 137281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is it that you don't understand about MSI? < 1319313926 720974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they take a lot more than five seconds < 1319313938 42217 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The bit where it pretends to be physical lines off of the CPU. < 1319313939 15644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not for me. < 1319313942 224693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lucky you < 1319313949 694936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, where did they pretend that? < 1319313956 453477 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By having IRQ numbers. < 1319313973 93860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well then there is the APIC < 1319313990 668341 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fixed < 1319313991 385737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the APIC goes up to at least 23 according to /proc/interrupts < 1319313996 110088 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like certain things pretend to be the 8086 system bus. < 1319314036 570614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway rebooting from freebsd to linux changed the IRQ numbering on my desktop. I no longer have those extreme numbers < 1319314039 290482 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, http://sprunge.us/MUNd < 1319314046 508556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I see from linux on my desktop < 1319314088 744782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my laptop that same file: http://sprunge.us/XAKE < 1319314108 359887 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? Lies and deceit. < 1319314156 186444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I get another interrupts on my desktop once I start X11. Seems like fglrx adds it on demand. It shows up as 62. < 1319314175 651925 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-9.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1319314175 724261 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-9.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1319314175 724431 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1319314192 227970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I guess freebsd and linux simply allocates the dynamic interrupts required differently. < 1319314219 512602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway MSI-style interrupts have numbers too < 1319314219 648157 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319314252 802155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so claiming they are lying by being numbered, as you did above, is not true. < 1319314262 162355 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By being IRQ numbered. < 1319314284 651677 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1319314309 930199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, uh... So what would you suggest instead? < 1319314328 599119 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuking x86. < 1319314329 293946 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is briefly reminded that IRQ used to be a chat program. ihrc.
< 1319314371 472650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICQ. < 1319314378 430540 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSX default compiler toolchain sucks badly when it comes to osdev < 1319314391 597621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ when .*// < 1319314403 120977 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X default compiler toolchain is, uh, fairly mundane GNU. < 1319314405 593711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ default compiler toolchain// < 1319314407 727218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's also ancient < 1319314423 208431 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine my face when i discovered that ld produces ONLY Mach-O < 1319314426 876258 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1319314435 255974 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Custom ld? < 1319314439 395083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, apart from that < 1319314448 965734 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nothing. < 1319314450 227367 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, well < 1319314454 988876 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is llvm-gcc < 1319314467 460530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you would end up with the MSI style interrupts on any modern CPU architecture < 1319314474 163782 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait am i thinking of icq < 1319314475 495677 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i had to compile my own toolchain and put it in opt < 1319314477 269259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made sense for a desktop style usage < 1319314488 709216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, icq? Wasn't that some old IM thingy? < 1319314494 417135 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You wouldn't end up with it implemented on top of an interface for 16 wires coming off of the CPU. < 1319314494 577615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: the rest is gcc < 1319314496 376996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or clang < 1319314505 446430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that llvm-gcc gets any real use on OS X. < 1319314509 179837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang for all userland applications, definitely < 1319314514 110056 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that was the _point_ < 1319314515 637210 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like you would have a system bus on any modern CPU architecture, but you wouldn't come up with the 8086 system bus. < 1319314518 221620 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang -> llvm < 1319314536 945256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well okay < 1319314545 745333 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1319314549 170216 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, try to search for "irq" chat shows just how obnoxious google is these days - it _corrects_ it, even with the quotes < 1319314552 436982 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate xcode way of doing things < 1319314584 282328 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me 2 days to figure out how to make a form with a button that would change it's text when clicked < 1319314595 179198 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :its* < 1319314596 675372 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1319314603 964826 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm that's only in instant, it works if i press return < 1319314647 441822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ouch < 1319314659 542858 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still divided on whether i hate google instant or find it convenient. < 1319314677 851176 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you may know the 8086 system bus as "ISA" or "IDE" or "ATA") < 1319314681 663054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah better to use a different search engine such as DDG. Btw I have nothing against Google saying "did you mean" even with quotes. As long as it doesn't auto correct < 1319314682 753762 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends a bit on how much my laptop is thrashing :/ < 1319314719 672651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, trashing? You need more ram < 1319314731 38024 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319314735 202351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how old is that laptop? < 1319314744 966445 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006 < 1319314748 269693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1319314757 954822 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't a top model even then < 1319314761 794298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides I find laptops unergonomic. Pain in the neck if I use one for a long time < 1319314770 542472 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1319314772 2784 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: did you mean is fine. but it now often does it the other way around, so you need to click to get the real thing < 1319314781 596275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1319314783 765865 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319314794 526502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, definitely switch to DDG < 1319314806 212317 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's worse, google instant is somewhat buggy when you do click < 1319314817 527544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1319314841 372440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, DDG has a very useful info box on top of searches too: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=MSI < 1319314842 565131 :nooga!~nooga@host-46-175-43-148.wtvk.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1319314844 648831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :check that out < 1319314849 789945 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you used the suggestion menu, it doesn't get what you selected but what you typed < 1319314870 238840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :click computing to expand that and find Message Signalled Interrupts < 1319314898 999883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and it does W|A < 1319314902 801387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot more < 1319314928 73743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, basically it is what google should be. And should it not find anything useful you can just add !g at the start of your search to make it go to google < 1319314994 830167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anyway, have I convinced you to switch yet? You can turn off the ads in the prefs btw. If you don't want to support DDG :P < 1319315036 963483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it is anon, no personalised search results apart from setting region in preferences (if you want to). < 1319315050 6799 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1319315150 71129 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this list sufficient? http://sprunge.us/FATD < 1319315167 826469 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1319315236 69225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I have convinced you to switch yet? < 1319315256 398457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, ... what is it? < 1319315269 404055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what LANGUAGE is it? < 1319315281 597056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh tex I guess < 1319315293 974132 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It is a (incomplete) METAFONT program. So far I just put the names and numbers of the characters in the font. < 1319315310 811108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't think there are any METAFONT experts here < 1319315332 113753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone use METAFONT these days. You can use Type1 with pdftex and TTF with xetex < 1319315334 645957 :ive!~nn@189.254.85.241 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1319315334 855699 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319315338 990146 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@168-103-56-2.dlth.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319315363 544407 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i've opened it. no promises. < 1319315381 585510 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to know about METAFONT; I am asking if you think there are sufficient symbols listed in there (for all planets, phase of moon, etc). < 1319315386 657373 :ive!~nn@189.254.85.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319315399 899556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, give it a try. elliott recommended it < 1319315412 846052 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't want to use pdftex, Type1, XeTeX; I also think METAFONT is a good program to design typefaces, in general. < 1319315415 639881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1319315418 644784 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a first impression, i miss a tool tip on that looking glass button < 1319315429 751836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I do not implicitly support your recommendations. < 1319315443 367040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, of course not. But you recommended it to me < 1319315446 639543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all I'm saying < 1319315456 216272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you dispute that, go check the channel logs < 1319315470 65145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diggy diggy hole. < 1319315477 260923 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose they really want to be minimalist < 1319315480 483960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you watched too much yogscast < 1319315496 687400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, mail the guy behind it if you really need a tooltip saying "search" :P He tends to respond < 1319315506 830910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and it is "him" not "they". It is a one-guy project < 1319315510 627232 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Even if *you* don't like METAFONT, I still prefer METAFONT and with DVI output and so on. < 1319315515 662293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't even seen that episode. < 1319315522 369030 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in my opinion it is superior. < 1319315530 875400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, come on. Simon says "Diggy diggy hole" quite often. < 1319315547 994111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't watched since the beginning of the second season. < 1319315553 225629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay < 1319315674 51526 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only really watched them messing around with mods since then. < 1319315687 594281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1319315712 288497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I tend to watch everything but the HoN videos. Because those tend to not be very funny, and HoN doesn't interest me < 1319315731 589574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to watch SoI, I really did. < 1319315762 69521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it is quite nice < 1319315780 432339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the beginning, haven't bothered to go back. You get into the plot quite easily < 1319315785 698483 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's far far more cocking around than is interesting. < 1319315807 958860 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think METAFONT is far better than any other program for typeface designing that I know of. < 1319315836 445798 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be used to design logos, too. < 1319315921 152019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Cocking around is interesting; scripting isn't < 1319315959 139429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, cocking around on the part of the scriptwriters. < 1319316162 927614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : No, it's far far more cocking around than is interesting. <-- still funny tough < 1319316180 180403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they clearly have some server mods for special effects < 1319316187 483584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and client mods too I think < 1319316405 344815 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1319316786 789532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1319316806 915463 :Sgeo|web_!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319316855 978065 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1319316946 740446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1319317186 87449 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1319317788 254391 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/gTXgm.png Because a captcha should be OCR-able. < 1319317922 550887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if the OCR bot knows about the all-new Chevy Sonic, who cares? < 1319317951 48551 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1319318098 305153 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw one of those things recently and raged hardcore < 1319318106 257645 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wanted me to enter not one, but two things < 1319318118 121074 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one required watching the video (i mean advertisement) < 1319318129 642701 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it amounts to is that nobody really understands what a captcha is for, it's just a hoop they jump through < 1319318134 539660 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one hoop is much the same as another to them < 1319318142 18419 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these fuckers are taking advantage of it < 1319318142 726617 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1319318194 18993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It _is_ just a hoop you jump through. < 1319318211 670620 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, but in some contexts it serves a useful purpose < 1319318227 976259 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that many computer users don't understand when it's legitimately useful < 1319318234 861250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :advertising CAPTCHAs are enough to make me not use a site < 1319318242 79642 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 1) many site owners don't seem to understand, they just throw that shit up there because it's "in" < 1319318249 117827 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1319318254 663048 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2) they don't really understand what it's for and how it's supposed to accomplish its goal < 1319318272 999132 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319318327 686152 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A captcha is actually a darned good thing if done right, in the right context. < 1319318341 852354 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaa I hate capchas < 1319318350 622685 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand the advertising component either; isn't frustrating potential customers counter to the goal, or are most people totally okay with them < 1319318353 262921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: you like spambots more? < 1319318358 225425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany contributes to discussion. < 1319318359 254253 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, even with reCAPTCHA, people manage to fuck it up. < 1319318360 199933 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spambots are my bros < 1319318371 396056 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun spambots < 1319318376 126351 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, doing it in the right context is easy to fuck up if you're ignorant. < 1319318378 990004 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, ah, but they remember you as those people who annoyed you! < 1319318393 412821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brand recognition! < 1319318408 655708 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they annoyed me now i want to buy all their product < 1319318408 846748 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of obvious when someone joins your forum and starts spamming under the counter drugs without a prescribtion things < 1319318419 418955 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's kind of obvious to push the "purge posts" and "ip ban" buttons < 1319318460 888137 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people put up with captchas in the same way they put up with every other annoying thing that consumers allow companies to get away with < 1319318462 880844 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I wonder if anyone's set up a Bayesian filter for forums. < 1319318470 712408 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike CAPTCHAs too but there are many other ways to prevent spambots. < 1319318474 573241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kilowatt-hour, what a stupid unit... Unless I missed out on something it is just 3600 kilojoule. < 1319318484 120637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes, yes it is. < 1319318491 28700 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case of captchas, since most of the people involved don't know what they are really about, they don't understand when they're being taken advantage of (advertising "captchas") < 1319318491 337515 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer to ask a simple logic question < 1319318495 6218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also an easy unit to work with for domestic power consumption. < 1319318499 739501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany, ahahahahaha < 1319318501 234611 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they don't know the difference between that and real captchas < 1319318508 669514 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. I'd say the easiest way to use a captcha scheme to block spambots is to use it for account registration. < 1319318510 111437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because computers are really terrible at simple logic questions! < 1319318511 405695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's kind of obvious when someone joins your forum and starts spamming under the counter drugs without a prescribtion things < 1319318511 584091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and it's kind of obvious to push the "purge posts" and "ip ban" buttons < 1319318518 248599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany has never heard of blogs. < 1319318526 986093 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :..? < 1319318527 289624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, indeed, anything that gets any kind of volume of traffic at all. < 1319318530 965960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm. I wonder if anyone's set up a Bayesian filter for forums. < 1319318531 37992 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany has never heard of RSI. < 1319318534 523037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: StupidFilter; it was stupid < 1319318538 684981 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you can pay people to sign up all kinds of accounts in bulk for cheap < 1319318539 626463 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though this screws up blog comments a bit. < 1319318555 55275 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't mean i think that every post form should have a captcha, for example < 1319318558 596531 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's enough spambots that you can't keep up then something is horribly wrong < 1319318564 600953 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have gotten spam messages on blog, but since I made a new one on gopher, it stops making spam message < 1319318565 236447 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other things you can do to make it not worth a person's time to spam your shit < 1319318569 390025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, nevertheless Joule makes more sense to me than watt*hour. Because W*h = (J/s)*s*3600 basically. < 1319318571 533838 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: Then the Internet is horribly wrong. < 1319318578 569315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :those s cancel each other < 1319318588 133921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's a calculation thing. < 1319318599 662003 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's a humans-suck-at-units thing. < 1319318608 872332 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appliances have power consumptions in watts, and tend to be run on timescales on the order of hours. < 1319318611 538283 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm okay < 1319318622 463239 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kilometers per hour" is also a really silly unit. < 1319318626 128406 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of don't care about spam < 1319318633 658382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: yes, because everyone else cares about it for you < 1319318635 773797 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why? < 1319318635 947280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at your spam folder sometime < 1319318642 134321 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nearly empty < 1319318643 567457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm. Why? < 1319318646 966654 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: There's a perfectly good SI unit. < 1319318650 939810 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meters/second. < 1319318653 840239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: then nobody knows your email < 1319318654 445845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1319318659 242249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :other ways to avoid spam < 1319318660 483891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- become a hermit < 1319318660 775628 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is better indeed < 1319318674 406147 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get an email every so often from some guy saying he's from hong kong and wants to give me a million dollars < 1319318684 858940 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and goes by the name "wing wang" < 1319318686 294076 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: You probably have the world's most amazingly unknown email address. < 1319318692 149416 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany@physibots.info < 1319318695 704380 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::I < 1319318700 627009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I guess km/s would make sense though Or mm/s. But not x/h < 1319318702 753485 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not even have a spam folter. < 1319318715 84923 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: Congrats, your spam should skyrocket. < 1319318715 322782 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yahoo must like, sell off lists of email addresses < 1319318716 435614 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how i have dealt with spam for going on 10 years: < 1319318720 939407 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :register domain name < 1319318724 75950 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :catchall address < 1319318731 587083 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :siteimregisteringon.com@domain.com < 1319318735 64760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, eh, the logs for here aren't crawled to my knowledge. < 1319318745 773353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany, stupid... the channel is logged in public < 1319318746 81740 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know where every e-mail is sourced that way < 1319318747 718162 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an SMTP server but I turn it off most of the time so that whenever anyone tries to send a spam message, they will get error message about not reachable server. < 1319318750 7988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: If I put that on the esolang wiki, your spam folder would be huge within a day. < 1319318751 253392 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on what it gets sent to :) < 1319318757 873083 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :=/ < 1319318766 322759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I dunno if spambots would get text/plain < 1319318771 697171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, that makes sense. I thought about doing that too. < 1319318777 497395 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do people even make money off of spambots? < 1319318777 859713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never got around to it < 1319318783 24819 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got me in a little trouble the other day actually, lol < 1319318788 994056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, oh? < 1319318789 614122 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i placed an online order for a towncar to take me to the airport < 1319318798 743036 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the guy almost dropped my registration because he thought it was fake < 1319318799 551020 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: If 1 in a billion people fall for it, they get 1 hit. < 1319318804 91682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1319318805 632370 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least 1, sorry. < 1319318810 476104 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i never bought domain privacy because it didn't exist when i registered the domain - so it's got false info) < 1319318818 177533 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1319318818 321877 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was medium-smart < 1319318822 130194 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And spam is so fucking cheap that they probably make a profit off of that. < 1319318838 656298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I think the worst part of growing up is that it isn't retroactive. < 1319318841 108302 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the hit rates are probably a bit closer to 1 in a few million. < 1319318841 270630 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, he understood what i was doing, but he couldn't wrap his head around the fact that i'd paid him $60 for the reservation and that should be enough < 1319318842 602146 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :690) I think the worst part of growing up is that it isn't retroactive. < 1319318849 768971 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should take computational power to be able to send email < 1319318854 299648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: see hashcash < 1319318855 829899 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, have to do a proof of work or something < 1319318857 409219 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was all flighty until i gave him my "real" e-mail address (actually a secondary one) < 1319318870 871732 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq, I guess km/s would make sense though Or mm/s. But not x/h <-- it makes sense when you want to estimate how long time it will take you to drive somewhere without having to convert seconds to hours, which non-nerds probably find annoying < 1319318874 347951 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, he was smart enough to know what was going on and do a WHOIS of my domain, but he put stock in e-mail as an authenticating factor? wtf. < 1319318876 317972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany, this has been considered. Never was a hit. Because not everyone was using it < 1319318887 615018 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, *everyone* finds that annoying. < 1319318904 738072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who *enjoy* doing arithmetic are rare, to say the least. < 1319318910 723209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, heh < 1319318914 687600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well yeah < 1319318919 169376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know someone who does < 1319318931 260846 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i enjoy calculating things in my head :| < 1319318944 545329 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *Clearly* we should reform humans so that SI is trivial. < 1319318955 869011 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so we can use only base units, instead of derived. < 1319318964 225093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, with making sense I meant "sense in context of the SI system" < 1319318984 666903 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Volt? BAH! < 1319318990 762186 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kg m^2/A s^3 < 1319318994 201569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1319319022 502053 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as an aside, I rather dislike the use of kg as a base unit) < 1319319027 406196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1319319029 101532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you beat me to that < 1319319041 126987 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only base unit that has a prefix. < 1319319051 576198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should rename kg to g. Then it would all work < 1319319060 354192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nononono, you have it wrong. < 1319319075 762770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the *other* base units have antiprefixes. < 1319319081 923268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1319319088 640601 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the ampere is far too large. < 1319319093 386157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is it? < 1319319102 939181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: we should rename kg to g. Then it would all work < 1319319106 650033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: except that all the derived units would suck < 1319319118 188082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, because they all use kg currently rather than g < 1319319132 785692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so it would simply things < 1319319147 276616 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Milliampere is about the right size. < 1319319156 437236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: uh < 1319319160 582784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it would complicate derived units < 1319319165 685304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because kg is the base unit < 1319319172 621165 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh! < 1319319175 108817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, rename < 1319319178 34433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes < 1319319178 240603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb :p < 1319319182 499537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you are yes < 1319319190 615692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least atm < 1319319191 455855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how witty + original < 1319319243 707242 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Still, the ampere is effing huge. < 1319319247 368917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway I worked with A rather than mA sometimes. I admit that mA is more common in electronics. < 1319319260 243843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in high energy electrics < 1319319279 342764 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Domestic circuitry isn't going to hit more than 20 A. < 1319319283 525595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed < 1319319297 993691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I seen kA about once iirc < 1319319351 114493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, actually I think this house has a 25 A main fuse or such. But then it is fairly large and you need a lot of heating in Sweden during the winter. < 1319319357 710784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be 20 A, not sure < 1319319358 684715 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, the ampere is far too large. <-- well compared to the tesla... < 1319319390 332880 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'mma get this client < 1319319391 789192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about the Coulomb? < 1319319394 143909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is huge too < 1319319394 705390 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Units are hard. < 1319319395 482665 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceforge.net/projects/pennypost/ < 1319319423 703488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like hashcash except stupid < 1319319426 332349 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a 2T magnetic field in one place at CERN. < 1319319426 510942 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany, it rather hinges on everyone else you communicate with using it as well < 1319319440 638508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by stupid, I mean it doesn't have a wikipedia article < 1319319441 883387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hashcash does < 1319319456 105768 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1319319456 228421 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this client was referenced by the wikipedia page on hashcash < 1319319460 837666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1319319465 291352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it doesn't matter < 1319319468 661334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof of work has failed < 1319319489 180796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :# The amount of charge that travels through a lightning bolt is typically around 15 C, although large bolts can be up to 350 C.[11] < 1319319489 253214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :# The amount of charge that travels through a typical alkaline AA battery is about 5 kC = 5000 C = 1400 mAh. After that charge has flowed, the battery must be discarded or recharged.[12] < 1319319493 53924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that much in a battery!? < 1319319518 855282 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Vorpal. < 1319319528 824355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh? < 1319319530 964634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the amount that moves through it over its lifetime. < 1319319535 880432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well yes < 1319319540 461542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm still surprised < 1319319542 835640 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's effectively a meaningless number. < 1319319553 401894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1319319555 877846 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(magnetic_field) "strongest pulsed magnetic field yet obtained in a laboratory, destroying the used equipment, but not the laboratory itself" < 1319319560 420549 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best. < 1319319564 103031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it only makes sense for capacitators < 1319319567 54570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D < 1319319573 102881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, not /quite/.) < 1319319589 795319 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Apparently the clarification is necessary, since presumably the one stronger number there did destroy the lab too. < 1319319597 879122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's tied to the amount of reactive stuff in the battery by Faraday's constant, which is 96kC/mol. < 1319319600 491583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*) < 1319319604 95401 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As it is just "strongest (pulsed) magnetic field ever obtained (with explosives) in a laboratory".) < 1319319621 698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"strongest (pulsed) magnetic field ever obtained (with explosives) in a laboratory (VNIIEF in Sarov, Russia, 1998)[11]" <-- presumably the lab was destroyed then? < 1319319651 878363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you do it with explosives? < 1319319682 234459 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This device consists of a generator solenoid (the first cascade) with internal and external diameters of 175 mm and 200 mm respectively and a length of 500 mm, and two internal cascades with diameters of 28×35 mm and 12×17 mm and a length of ~200 mm. One-cascade system of explosive compression, consisting of the main HE-charge with diameters of 360×650 mm, a length of 350 mm and a mass of ~170 kg, steel cylinder-impactor with an external diameter of 356 mm an < 1319319693 642698 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. and internal HE-charge with diameters of 200×300 mm and a length of 280 mm, is located on the outside of the solenoid. The MC-1 generator solenoid is powered with a current of 4-5 MA. MC-1 generator operation time (without powering time and HE-charge detonation time) is about 15 μs, maximum liner implosion velocity is more than 6 km/s, the magnetic field derivative reaches values of ~5 1013 Gs/s. The diameter of the final field volume is 24 mm, its length < 1319319693 715217 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ~100 mm" < 1319319697 210354 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that, apparently. < 1319319707 696625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1319319735 857308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I < 1319319755 851152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm* just wondering how the explosion leads to magnetism. Physically I mean < 1319319781 802708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving components at a high enough speed to generate a field, it seems. < 1319319814 772624 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How big is the B-field vector in, say, a gamma ray photon, though?) < 1319319871 392506 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C69E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1319320038 185218 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1319320042 766331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, interesting point < 1319320081 994017 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1319320185 382468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually sure if it's possible to work it out. < 1319320274 393809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1319320281 634756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no physics expert though < 1319320328 134026 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1319320334 530060 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of things that make magnetic fields o.o < 1319320358 218581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh, it's variable. < 1319320359 165505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance: magnets. < 1319320376 780612 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like pushing water through a cylinder, or a moon-sized sphere of 30 million psi iron rotating inside of an ocean of molten iron and nickel < 1319320403 70900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pushing water through a cylinder does not, to my knowledge, produce a magnetic field. < 1319320413 820736 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1319320416 109306 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it somewhere < 1319320452 371416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ah < 1319320453 415820 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's diamagnetic, so I'm pretty sure it wouldn't. < 1319320562 993719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → crappier part of Ireland^W this village.
< 1319320566 273784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1319321323 789215 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7725.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1319321364 233733 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319321380 835368 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1319321411 594200 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1319321426 10667 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wiki spam < 1319321436 354453 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nose! < 1319321450 685190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the captchas are sinking! < 1319321452 975590 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh Big Nose in the Sky. < 1319321493 811178 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :zangband vs adom ? < 1319321542 617297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: deleted < 1319321547 875869 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurrah! < 1319321761 351250 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords $ repeat "spam" `interleave` cycle ["wonderful", "tasty"] `interleave` repeat "spam" < 1319321762 337936 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "spam spam wonderful spam spam spam tasty spam spam spam wonderful spam spa... < 1319321798 304505 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: you are not spammy enough < 1319321889 733226 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t replicateM < 1319321890 880132 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => Int -> m a -> m [a] < 1319321901 688293 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log replicateM < 1319321910 86727 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@log replicateM < 1319321910 762889 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: bug do let msg yow < 1319321927 378177 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-07-17.txt:13:49:22: there are probably many sets of interesting strings you could construct with the [0..] >>= (`replicateM` alphabet) thing. < 1319321997 501289 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my. < 1319322005 249185 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yow < 1319322006 76307 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't find fortune file < 1319322007 85354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : zangband vs adom ? <-- nethack < 1319322013 456045 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :naaa < 1319322021 626532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, hack! < 1319322024 292855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rouge! < 1319322042 746867 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ntoo spartan < 1319322052 408792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, Slash'EM then < 1319322060 660745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a GUI frontend and fancy tileset < 1319322070 751184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, you can't get less spartan than that < 1319322102 462725 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear i think they got (co)pumpkin http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2011-October/096262.html < 1319322102 891035 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t alphabet < 1319322103 523114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `alphabet' < 1319322155 993195 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [0..] >>= (`replicateM` ['a'..'z']) < 1319322156 921791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["","a","b","c","d","e","f","g","h","i","j","k","l","m","n","o","p","q","r"... < 1319322184 351521 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A too ...y example there. < 1319322198 742766 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [0..] >>= (`replicateM` ['a'..'b']) < 1319322199 522923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["","a","b","aa","ab","ba","bb","aaa","aab","aba","abb","baa","bab","bba","... < 1319322200 633255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ...y? < 1319322202 735050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1319322213 262610 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. all strings in that alphabet, I see < 1319322231 898592 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['a'..'z'] < 1319322232 4635 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's now time to flood my base as I fuck up pressure stuff. < 1319322232 393193 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" < 1319322253 96663 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: hey it happens to the best of evil overlords < 1319322269 550131 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if I install a door. < 1319322273 594489 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I won't flood my base < 1319322279 584240 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, nevermind. < 1319322280 888599 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :genius! < 1319322292 117673 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1319322335 847421 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: DF? < 1319322340 560568 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: DF? < 1319322347 135777 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: IRL? < 1319322349 324542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: DF? < 1319322361 801810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I think it's IRL guys < 1319322365 893368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to spend more time here < 1319322370 107002 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1319322390 157127 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah currently working on my IRL water system. < 1319322398 457795 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :complete with floodgates, levels, and cisterns. < 1319322403 466069 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*levers < 1319322411 494212 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRL? < 1319322412 231058 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and self-destruct button. < 1319322416 438051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: in real life < 1319322422 704355 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: remember, water loses pressure when flowing diagonally IRL as well! < 1319322425 740151 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.< < 1319322454 967128 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually going to use a pump system for that, I don't remember why. < 1319322457 102156 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: how big it is? < 1319322464 327205 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno yet. < 1319322464 774858 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it?* < 1319322495 589740 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure my drain is working. maybe it's taking a long time? < 1319322513 928395 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe when I divert sourced water it too becomes sourced water or something? < 1319322514 670367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah water is pretty slow, irl i mean < 1319322533 579901 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :particularly if you have a channel only one dragon wide < 1319322535 123358 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drain in spain is a lousy refrain < 1319322542 516131 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't plaid DF in a while < 1319322550 329074 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it kind of stopped moving, perhaps it doesn't have flow anymore? < 1319322555 398488 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't striped it either < 1319322557 763445 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I had a thought today, and I'd like to know if it's a bad thought. < 1319322565 906825 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes it is < 1319322569 532874 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. < 1319322570 390751 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to say < 1319322583 803196 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: If it's a single-width channel it will take a _very_ long time to flow any significant distance. < 1319322595 690632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: "one dragon"? < 1319322608 411162 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But carry on, evincar < 1319322614 38458 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: single width channel as in z-level right? the aqueduct itself is 3 spaces wide, but the downward slopes are only 3-width channel each. < 1319322615 137633 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1319322618 980928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: were you just about to say that too < 1319322632 356322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yes z-level is totally width < 1319322633 21809 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C69E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1319322643 978451 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was working on a concatenative language, which was turning into Yet Another Forth. < 1319322646 729036 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I was thinking width of the path it's flowing through. < 1319322662 370486 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going down levels a single hollowed-out shaft is probably fastest < 1319322665 893946 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I was thinking of alternate structures to use instead of stacks. < 1319322680 55536 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I figured linked-lists, with two special values: "top" and "persistent top". < 1319322682 68274 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: DF squares are exactly the same size as a dragon, or a mouse, or any number of any other creature, apparently. < 1319322691 221639 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Operations always work on the leftmost "top". < 1319322703 95169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: well, sure :P < 1319322703 785939 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terms to the right of a top aren't evaluated. < 1319322733 427123 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "evincar's idea is going to be bad" premonition < 1319322734 900989 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas tops are replaced by stack operations, persistent tops are merely shifted. < 1319322744 922897 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: er, how do you dif vertically downwards like that? < 1319322747 510814 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dig < 1319322748 499480 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always at least one persistent top, at the end of the list. < 1319322769 82479 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ireland < 1319322770 887581 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You start at the level one above the bottom. Channel it out. Then go to the next level up. Repeat. Or just use up/down stairwells all the way down. < 1319322788 630727 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :With tops you can easily implement prefix and infix operations, and with persistent tops you can implement parentheses. < 1319322809 246838 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: The downside is that this will build up a LOT of pressure at the bottom. Make sure you have a system for draining it for maintenance, and tap diagonally < 1319322809 850499 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's kinda neat, as it doesn't require macros. < 1319322825 716728 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have different idea of roguelike game; with many difference. One is that instead of list of race/class, you must type them in because any creature in the game you can make player character too; and with clases there is also too many. If you omit then it will assume "Human Fighter" if entirely blank, "Human" if race is blank, and "No-class" if class is blank. < 1319322855 178872 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also differences in computation of experience points, item curse, challenge rulesets, spells, etc. < 1319322885 178406 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the hard part is balancing all those races < 1319322899 342621 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes duckduckgo is misspelling its own doodle link
< 1319322906 573956 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that hard to modify nethack to allow you to start as some arbitrary other race, but then it tends to be either under or overpowered < 1319322937 639423 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more powerful they start, the slower they level < 1319322990 694253 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but then you need to measure how powerful they are and adjust all that < 1319322996 972797 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not impossible, it's just a lot of work < 1319323008 310450 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, I've struck lemonade < 1319323009 409797 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/browse_thread/thread/72734f3022b8929c/790c0ee267af9750?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=initpoly#790c0ee267af9750 <-- patch for nethack 3.4.1 that does basically that < 1319323020 5968 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.4.0 rather < 1319323034 192042 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: In addition, player characters and non-player character follow all the same rules, using the same data structure to represent them. Ngevd: Yes and that can be done too. However, even if you don't, you can keep scores separately for each one so that you use different challenge whatever you want!! Same thing with classes; the classes can also be unbalanced. < 1319323073 311137 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I seem to recall that the races and classes in ADOM were not intended to be perfectl balanced either) < 1319323094 630498 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I would like to see? < 1319323105 864513 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A multiplayer version of NetHack < 1319323110 192399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: as old as the sun < 1319323113 657224 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1319323120 121300 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what else I would like to see? < 1319323136 540548 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A version of me who could actually play NetHack < 1319323149 141255 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I would like to see? < 1319323152 655738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Does Nethack use the same data structures for PCs and NPCs? If not, it seem it will have a lot of trouble working multiplayers at all. < 1319323155 786052 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new version of nethack sometime this century :) < 1319323164 86437 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I have no idea < 1319323166 691479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with multiplayer nethack is time, as everyone knows. < 1319323175 644477 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nope, and it assumes it's turn-based and synchronous _everywhere_ < 1319323183 39110 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to rewrite it from scratch < 1319323197 535116 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, time; but you can make a turn-based, possibly a simultaneous turn-based. < 1319323209 774482 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: You can have each level having its own time, I suppose. < 1319323219 124275 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's too much code that assumes there's only one player though < 1319323228 980384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't ais523 doing something with acehack about that? < 1319323237 686402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/some/ kind of coop roguelike, anyway < 1319323251 187472 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's been done with some variant of angband < 1319323260 64575 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it's still early spring and I've lost an expedition leader < 1319323263 38716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was working on a multiplayer AceHack, yes < 1319323265 385021 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAngband < 1319323269 811727 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that people in different levels are making actions independently of others; but if you move up/down the stairs, you must wait for the next turn before continuing. < 1319323271 841954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't finished nor even playable yet, though < 1319323277 578903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: acehack is quite a bit more like nethack, though :P < 1319323283 963248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's done by using multiple processes, and each process thinks a different person is the lone PC < 1319323302 232527 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and then some really hairy synchronization between them? :) < 1319323310 164691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1319323395 11027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: I was working on a multiplayer AceHack, yes <-- that is awesome < 1319323403 917501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how would the interaction work? < 1319323407 974499 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fun. I guess if someone sits at a Yes/No prompt it hangs things for everyone? < 1319323409 304231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrt turn based and so on < 1319323410 110887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interaction? < 1319323412 929533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: yes < 1319323422 912118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: all the players are in the same turn order, while on the same level < 1319323427 556827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1319323430 789226 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds not at all horribly frustrating < 1319323431 41313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each level has its own independent turn order < 1319323441 206428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bd_: well, it's meant for only a few players who are friends < 1319323445 892448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not massively multiplayer or anything like that < 1319323448 779017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1319323449 843541 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think each level should have its own independent turn order < 1319323462 378207 :bd_!~nanashi@satoko.is.fushizen.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still sounds frustrating - hit 4, wait wait wait wait wait okay hit 4 again wait wait wait wait wait < 1319323463 989109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is a good idea < 1319323471 30365 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because then one player could starve to death while another player thinks about hitting a grid bug < 1319323477 476 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: looking at your Luigi page, i wish to note that the wolfram 2,3-TM is not directly applicable to proving most languages TC, since it requires infinite setup < 1319323500 60017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we told him that already < 1319323509 773214 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1319323564 43342 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds it in the logs
< 1319324187 698653 :Ngevd!~Taneb@2.99.90.255 QUIT :Quit: goodnight < 1319324305 67239 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@168-103-56-2.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1319324400 124574 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess since no one objected, my idea isn't complete crap. < 1319324407 559123 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'ma go implement that. < 1319324433 217389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it was too crap to comment on < 1319325252 677377 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah my pipe isn't flowing all the way to the edge of the map < 1319325264 726918 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just things out and takes eons to evaporate. < 1319325269 575635 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thins out < 1319325345 88805 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess my drain needs to actually be some kind of pump system. < 1319325695 2184 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone signed my other email up for notices from CARE.org < 1319325695 965421 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-. < 1319325707 206165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: but you don't care about spam < 1319325745 394887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: check the headers for an unsubscribe link; if they have one, use it < 1319325815 861272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unsubscribe links are not usually in headers... < 1319325822 570785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes they are < 1319325826 727631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :list-unsubscribe: URL < 1319325836 411599 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a link at the bottom of the page < 1319325847 732105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you have clearly never received spammy newsletters ebfore < 1319325848 496356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before < 1319325879 844451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know, because I told my boss about header checking recently, and he picked a spammy newsletter to test it on < 1319325885 859482 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there even a way to view message headers in thunderbird < 1319325888 576463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then saw the unsubscribe link, followed it, and actually unsubscribed < 1319325921 411096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1319325949 46117 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"View source" in Thunderbird, wasn't it? Haven't used it in a while. < 1319325975 357602 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1319325985 781046 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :view -> message source < 1319326059 830875 :tiffany!~kawaii@fl-76-3-17-113.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there's no list-unsubscribe < 1319326110 758011 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 7.0.1/20110928134238] < 1319326160 847282 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, there is one in the email from this hotel chain. < 1319326169 822187 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no list-headers in this Disneyland spam I get after having been there once. < 1319326278 718325 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, this one message has a header named "KEY" containing the value "Value". < 1319326316 844102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1319326340 95858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pretty hilarious < 1319326361 336055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if you can iterate over the entire symbol table in Perl < 1319326362 492492 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1319326365 988777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is yes, but I don't know how < 1319326382 569044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use that to put $*hash{key} = 'Value' for every hash < 1319326827 802332 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, was ais or someone from Cambridge? At this event today we had a Cambridgean (Cambridgeous?) mathematician showing off an authentic Enigma. < 1319326851 842390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :birmingham < 1319326871 841641 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I is really bad at remembering such things. < 1319326880 506077 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard "Cantabridgean", but that is likely only applicable to Cambridge, MA. < 1319326893 396463 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It always seems to be some sort of a ham. < 1319326969 185827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cantabrigian is an adjective denoting "of, or pertaining to Cambridge", that is, of the University of Cambridge or of the city of Cambridge, England." < 1319326970 114880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nope < 1319327056 600418 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, well: it also applies to Cambridge, MA. < 1319327092 651328 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cambrian mathematicians are such trilobites < 1319327385 808822 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1319327398 295382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1319327785 624075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ouch < 1319327835 97198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, strange m->n in "Cantabridgean" < 1319327868 451975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wait until you hear the one for Oxford students: Oxonian < 1319327877 401198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The term is derived from Oxonia, the Latin form of Oxenford or Oxford." < 1319327878 655602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1319327885 75205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The term is derived from Cantabrigia, a medieval Latin name for Cambridge invented on the basis of the Anglo-Saxon name Cantebrigge. (The actual Roman name for Cambridge was Duroliponte.)" < 1319327896 765405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, that makes sense < 1319327909 628921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some values of sense < 1319327944 942967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so actually they should be called Duroliponts or some such? < 1319327953 498702 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :drollipoints < 1319327959 911714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duroliponteans :P < 1319327963 884791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1319327969 698266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like oerjan's version < 1319327975 928792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was joking < 1319327985 539551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which bit? < 1319327988 490735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"duroliponteans"?