< 1317340852 462303 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ has all the bad abstractions you need to circumvent problems you find with its bad abstractions. < 1317340871 545713 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope C++ is the ideal programming language < 1317340873 707272 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like manna from heaven < 1317340883 567771 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why every language must copy it < 1317340905 334375 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never really seen a language that works like C++ < 1317340910 710854 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not very well-copied. < 1317340920 545539 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: No. You can use different programming language what you do. Such as, you can write a program in C, or whatever < 1317341012 161179 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's true, it's just the 'look' of C++ that's copied not the semantics < 1317342037 531904 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: @. Log-structed filesystem. Contemplate. < 1317342068 381051 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm not sure what it would buy me, because it's not clear how to do that for arbitrary objects < 1317342079 321308 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't ever want to throw away old versions without being asked, so it doesn't help for that < 1317342098 670073 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: The "throw away old versions" thing is a garbage collection pass. < 1317342112 861661 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, fair enough, but all implementations I know use a fixed-size buffer < 1317342149 261472 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you ever need to collect the entire heap? No. You need to collect enough to satisfy your next write. < 1317342241 732922 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not true; I have to collect the memory heap aggressively to avoid @'s equivalent of swap trhrashing < 1317342292 92253 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but the disk heap doesn't need anywhere near that level of aggression. < 1317342317 320620 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, you desperately want to avoid scanning that. < 1317342399 592855 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is, where do I start collecting on the disk heap if I need to free up space? < 1317342414 587265 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also open problem: Where do I store the generation info? < 1317342416 785316 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how? < 1317342421 110387 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: I can't use a copying collector. < 1317342446 19322 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, obviously; collection would take eons. < 1317342469 865354 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like "you don't have space". < 1317342482 752734 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you only ever use half the disk. < 1317342484 931780 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1317342486 15736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should learn more about _really_ incremental collectors < 1317342501 487344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume they exist < 1317342517 713587 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they must because they're really < 1317342527 989224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1317342557 512924 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1317342569 158513 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, stupid concept for a collector: circular log collector. Have two pointers, tail and head. Collect from tail, write to head (as per a standard copying collector). < 1317342580 288656 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if this is even slightly sane. < 1317342582 240801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe there is some simple reason why they cannot be made < 1317342588 489419 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intuition says "o.O'" < 1317342623 198733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: i mean essentially a collector which _never_ needs to trace too many objects in one go < 1317342638 855965 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that just an incremental collector :P < 1317342662 77697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno. i might know even less than i thought :P < 1317342683 10389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, maybe i'm confusing generational with incremental < 1317342730 163532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, generational collectors make things more incremental, but not fully < 1317342736 100232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc still has full collections < 1317342778 315638 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Incidentally, I also need a concurrent garbage collector... < 1317342800 935025 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least one that can only pause /some/ tasks (defined as "things that are being scheduled"). < 1317342813 611232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: anyway you say you cannot use a copying collector, but if using only half of your physical space was the price for other efficiency, why not... < 1317342832 547965 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So you buy a one terabyte disk and can only use five hundred gigs of it? < 1317342834 806887 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That won't be very popular. < 1317342953 904537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: hm, but for images and videos, say, they won't contain pointers much, so you may not need to allocate double space for them... < 1317342965 448393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is hypothesizing wildly here < 1317342979 244690 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: copying collector involves two heaps < 1317342991 769879 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you collect, you simply traverse one heap, copy everything referenced to the other, and start using it < 1317343002 841220 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many pointers there are is irrelevant < 1317343010 619284 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you'd probably have a heap per generation) < 1317343032 350920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: yes. but you could probably have some objects which don't need to be put on those heaps < 1317343049 956205 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean objects you don't need to collect? ok :P < 1317343051 694118 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: reference counting is the best GC < 1317343066 595249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: well you might collect them if there are no references to them. < 1317343072 601941 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: By "best" you mean "worst", right? < 1317343101 687869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, just have a small inode-like thing, that is put on the heaps but the rest of the data isn't. < 1317343110 44223 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that sounds like refcounting... < 1317343115 288204 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the whole point with copying GC is that you never explicitly "free" < 1317343118 206301 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if by "right" you mean "wrong" and by "mean" you mean "don't mean" < 1317343121 107573 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never even _look_ at garbage < 1317343125 460642 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then yes. < 1317343131 825043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: oh hm right that may be a problem < 1317343137 224150 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Seriously, reference counting is terrible in nearly every way. < 1317343138 269072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1317343146 982815 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: seriously it's the best dude. < 1317343151 153858 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could be simpler. < 1317343195 907632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: reference counting requires everything _other_ than the gc to handle it... < 1317343215 821602 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There is an issue that, in the model he's dealing with, the disk heap is simply the heap; the RAM is functioning exclusively as a disk cache. < 1317343225 565374 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: (...I wonder when they'll catch on) < 1317343230 376978 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, plausibly, the first generation or two of the collector. < 1317343661 945313 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1317343693 462386 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1317343712 531962 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317343769 855553 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1317343787 612346 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1317343792 37168 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :os < 1317343807 455128 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317343824 448655 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now using a half-decent IRC client! < 1317343862 949744 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What IRC client? < 1317343867 688780 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat < 1317343882 968851 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it is good to you? Or only half? < 1317343893 783030 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than webchat < 1317343915 551405 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now make it emit valid UTF-8. By default it uses a moronic encoding of "If it can be encoded in Windows-1252, use that, otherwise UTF-8". < 1317343928 377870 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1317343973 187287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :høw hørrible < 1317344001 632698 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are probably all better than webchat < 1317344041 535071 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do you know what configuration setting you need for that? If so, write on here, maybe Sgeo will correct it too < 1317344052 547836 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1317344099 932662 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But seriously, I think an incremental collector is basically just doing a normal collection in discrete pieces < 1317344212 581159 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Should just be the charset configuration option. < 1317344218 968837 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The moronic one is called "IRC". < 1317344269 82772 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I will try to make up a way of using X- fields in cabal file for preparing printout of the program. < 1317344445 560967 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE892E6.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317344487 209729 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the charset configuration option not in the GUI? < 1317344528 426754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by default it's shown in invisible characters > 1317344662 592655 JOIN :#esoteric > 1317344680 108859 JOIN :#esoteric > 1317344739 608811 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317344739 627716 :glogbot!foobar@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1317344806 729001 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1317344845 810224 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1317344880 844286 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: whether you get lynched for using UTF-8 or for not using it differs between networks and channels ... < 1317344897 131814 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1317344922 968119 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :‫Will I get lynched for doing this? < 1317344929 901645 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a per-channel setting with a global default is probably a lot more useful than a per-network setting < 1317344949 351360 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Did you put something before "W"? < 1317344950 838719 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 is at least ubiquitous on freenode. < 1317344955 768758 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "?". < 1317344968 438143 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the good part about the IRC setting is that you at least don't have to care about what other people have as their encoding < 1317344975 160858 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: um it does not affect decoding < 1317344976 285546 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only encoding < 1317344978 415665 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, I have no idea if that came before or after < 1317344984 656606 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before. < 1317344991 605654 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean the "?". < 1317345004 541426 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I typed it after though < 1317345007 541515 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confused < 1317345045 112394 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The following line will be typed as such: Right-to-left-embedding H e l l o ? < 1317345051 660817 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :‫Hello? < 1317345052 815234 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: hmm, maybe it doesn't < 1317345062 350270 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should change name of package/modules to prevent names being conflicted. I could prefix all names of my package by "zzo38-" and name of my module by "Zzo38." that way it won't conflicted? Is that the way it should be done? "Chaos will result if two distinct packages with the same name are installed on the same system, but there is not yet a mechanism for allocating these names." < 1317345083 197425 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah that was "?Hello". < 1317345093 5088 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: just use the hierarchical model standard < 1317345094 252126 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sufficient, but not necessary. < 1317345094 983820 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: To me, is shown a unknown character before the "W" ("H" that time), overlapping the colon < 1317345096 870707 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours should be Control.Monad.Barrier < 1317345105 141745 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/model/module/ < 1317345113 172850 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Hierarchical_module_names < 1317345116 473348 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The "IRC" setting reads "fuck up everyone who is not omitting this fucked up guaranteed-to-be-broken 'standard'" < 1317345125 232478 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: OK. But what happen if someone else wants to make up a different barrier monads implementation? < 1317345146 20629 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :) < 1317345159 216762 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It fucks up everyone using *either* Windows-1252 or UTF-8. < 1317345185 597150 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the scheme makes EBCDIC look reasonable. < 1317345233 203573 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Then dependencies sort it out, and the user "ghc-pkg hide"s the one they don't want to use by default. < 1317345241 672037 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: That article does not describe package names, though. How to do with package names? < 1317345250 806570 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a package depends on two packages, that each use a different barrier monad implementation, they're fucked :) < 1317345255 379289 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Lowercase, dashes to separate, is the standard < 1317345258 211833 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So barrier-monad < 1317345267 685701 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no real namespacing, but it's no big deal in practice < 1317345293 268565 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: But what if someone make a different implementation? It is not a problem with module names because you can hide it, but package names doesn't do that! < 1317345310 614298 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I can call the module "Control.Monad.Barrier" < 1317345319 823355 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't help with package name though < 1317345356 973646 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, then it breaks. But there's no place to get packages but Hackage, and it wouldn't allow a duplicate name :-) < 1317345419 874470 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1317345570 308708 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1317345592 346354 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317345683 556656 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I fill in "Build-depends"? < 1317345728 204381 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tell me lack of 'description' and 'maintainer' field cause trouble when distributing the package, but the message about Hackage rejecting the package is removed now. < 1317345745 737204 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must fill in build-depends completely with proper version information or the package will fail to build. < 1317345771 111027 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to parse the source file and check which packages it uses? < 1317345777 388748 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By automatically? < 1317345872 522900 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1317345881 581233 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see in ghci thought, < 1317345883 995091 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci Foo < 1317345887 551245 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see which packages it loads < 1317345888 407749 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1317345892 31881 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That includes all the dependencies too < 1317345897 37037 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you should only list packages you use directly in build-depends < 1317345903 796627 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good though, because you should have to think about the versions you're using < 1317345921 877336 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only one I import directly is the Control.Monad module < 1317345945 355014 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then < 1317345979 194846 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :build-depends: base == 4.* < 1317345980 731674 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should do. < 1317345984 441407 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1317346033 317349 :kmc_!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317346177 66979 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, do I put it in a file from the package root Control/Monad/Barrier.lhs is that the correct way to do it? < 1317346223 441138 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. You can specify source directories in the cabal file < 1317346235 777233 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you wanted you could have src/Control/Monad/Barrier.lhs. < 1317346239 825540 :Gregor`!foobar@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1317346242 544785 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is that the way to do it if the module is named Control.Monad.Barrier < 1317346243 614400 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor` < 1317346282 605045 :Gregor`!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the blehhuh < 1317346284 534955 :Gregor`!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing was down except for my bouncer >_O < 1317346306 305271 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1317346322 495282 :Gregor`!foobar@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1317346327 342454 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317346336 560486 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND some jerk squatted my name :P < 1317346377 717793 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1317346378 693064 :kmc_!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net NICK :kmc < 1317346379 455574 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ghost him < 1317346384 517826 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell yeah < 1317346397 713166 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see "hs-source-dirs: directory list (default: .) Root directories for the module hierarchy." So does that mean Control/Monad/Barrier.lhs is correct? Or not? < 1317346403 558584 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes < 1317346405 21385 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's correct < 1317346408 807122 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK thanks < 1317346489 214307 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it matter the name of the .cabal file or the name of the directory where the .cabal file is stored? < 1317346565 248116 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a correct file? http://sprunge.us/XGDP < 1317346660 77141 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be called .cabal < 1317346664 820654 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a Setup.lhs, right? < 1317346667 28628 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or .hs < 1317346667 906947 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever < 1317346680 379060 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should probably remove the commented out lines :P < 1317346695 394747 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it should be in your root directory to < 1317346696 370436 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too < 1317346716 53209 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It created the Setup.hs file by itself < 1317346727 200157 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK now it is called barrier-monad.cabal < 1317346745 437443 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is in the package root. < 1317346757 845246 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the name of the package root directory matter? < 1317346783 647981 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the package root now contains files barrier-monad.cabal example.lhs Setup.hs and the directory Control < 1317346802 626518 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that correct? < 1317346812 936564 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should examples be placed in its own directory? < 1317346853 449341 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't really matter < 1317346867 969227 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I will leave it how it is. < 1317346925 398305 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "X-Printout-" are not for any existing program yet, so I can change their names or syntax if necessary. Do you have better ideas of their names or format? < 1317347100 916138 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1317347267 425222 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea is that "Mode" specifies what mode is used for preparing printout, such as Plain TeX, LaTeX, HTML, or whatever; "Main" means main files (for TeX, it is the file(s) given directly to TeX); "Others" means other file from the package needed to work the printout; and "Require" mean files not in this package that are needed in addition to what Mode/Main/Others specifies. < 1317347286 457470 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would different names for these fields be better, or different syntax of the values of these fields? < 1317347490 339952 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1317347511 799043 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317348226 352661 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1317348266 730769 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317348290 557891 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317348514 20234 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1317348738 862219 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1317348787 31198 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@70.255.226.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317348787 91577 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@70.255.226.22 QUIT :Changing host < 1317348787 91738 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1317348820 837530 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now what do I do, do I make a file called barrier-monad-0.1.tar.gz of all the files and subdirectories from the package root? < 1317348969 304784 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317348995 305507 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, then upload to Hackage < 1317349005 178359 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think XChat keeps getting swapped out of memory or something. Or does it not work like that? < 1317349090 306600 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1317349126 837321 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317349391 677923 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops I require a password. < 1317349483 365726 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what? < 1317349567 450197 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ? < 1317349584 474617 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops now I tried with -c and it says "could not extract barrier-monad-0.1 directory from barrier-monad-0.1.tar.gz" OK, I will fix that too < 1317349610 595020 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you need a password for? < 1317349622 95420 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "cabal upload" ask for password. < 1317349645 279299 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You need a Hackage account, it's just a matter of sending an email < 1317349668 83763 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then what is password? Do they make up a random password? < 1317349687 166516 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that my job? < 1317349737 348290 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the looks of http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/accounts.html they'll assign you a random password < 1317349748 399429 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can change it < 1317349807 920491 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1317349841 412410 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317349865 202301 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck XChat in the ass < 1317349893 876209 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1317349897 283328 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's the computer < 1317349909 640854 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1317349936 681950 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should use Quassel, with the core elsewhere. < 1317349939 493160 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1317349945 818458 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1317349976 440753 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1317350034 942760 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1317350092 284539 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quassel should handle disconnects with some grace, right? < 1317350518 873634 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... where is string defined in C++ stdlibn < 1317350531 353542 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm including string..... but it's still having issues. < 1317350578 432398 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nevermind... < 1317351479 192906 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would any barrier monads have instances of MonadPlus or MonadGroup or MonadFix? If so, what would be the restrictions on the front and back type to be able to make such instances? I do not think it can be MonadPlus, because it does not satify the MonadPlus laws. < 1317351522 590512 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And MonadZip? < 1317352190 379749 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are barrier monads? < 1317352204 460280 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is zzo38 doing something awesome? < 1317352224 939892 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, are you doing something awesome? < 1317352280 889138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something similar to data Barrier front back t = Any t | Barrier front (back -> Barrier front back t) , iirc < 1317352336 558161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a transformer version? it might be likely to inherit MonadPlus from its inner monad < 1317352350 830876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know much about MonadGroup or MonadZip < 1317352382 652875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i may or may not have front and back switched) < 1317352392 985909 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have front and back correct. < 1317352411 156448 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no transformer version. If there can be, how to make transformer version? < 1317352417 384539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee < 1317352487 52896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like data BarrierT front back m t = Any (m t) | Barrier m (front, back -> Barrier front back m t) < 1317352490 456916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1317352504 876028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like data BarrierT front back m t = AnyT (m t) | BarrierT m (front, back -> BarrierT front back m t) < 1317352518 926041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm still not right < 1317352525 676410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like data BarrierT front back m t = AnyT (m t) | BarrierT (m (front, back -> BarrierT front back m t)) < 1317352543 260550 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you also need parentheses in the final (m t) < 1317352548 213496 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the purpose of the tuple? < 1317352549 593545 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not. < 1317352554 287115 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you don't need. < 1317352559 199565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed not. < 1317352596 906987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the tuple is to get out two values from the inner monad, although it might be better to define another data type < 1317352642 579963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is not entirely clear to me exactly where the intervening m's should be < 1317352667 638891 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor to me; that is one reason I did not define the transformer version < 1317352710 77378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe... < 1317352724 959392 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, basically it just needs to work so that when m = Identity it's more or less equivalent to Barrier right? < 1317352738 989194 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose a transformer version could possibly inherit MonadPlus from its inner monad. < 1317352741 310234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :data BarrierT front back m t = AnyT t | BarrierT front (back -> m (BarrierT front back m t)) < 1317352770 961274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you don't need the tuple, although you might want to surround with an m when using it < 1317352819 76795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :type BarrierT' front back m t = m (BarrierT front back m t) < 1317352871 733651 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. So, is that the best way, now? < 1317352872 901166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which of BarrierT and BarrierT' should be the fundamental one is not entirely clear (except that the fundamental one should be data, not type, for instance reasons) < 1317352926 729461 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you do lift with BarrierT? < 1317352927 856144 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure < 1317352932 52234 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this difficult to figure out perfectly? < 1317352932 369275 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have front < 1317352962 93779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, so lift means BarrierT' should be fundamental < 1317352979 203597 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have (Monoid front) < 1317352985 239336 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you can use mempty < 1317352988 279627 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you? < 1317352995 732563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's the intention < 1317352997 478212 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh uh you can't really do lift with BarrierT' either < 1317353002 453884 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you < 1317353007 423051 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1317353008 726507 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnyT < 1317353008 974943 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1317353028 247118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be just applying liftM AnyT in the right spot < 1317353043 472837 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Do I what? < 1317353052 778791 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have (Monoid front) < 1317353096 230417 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: The front type can be any type, so it might or might not be a monoid. < 1317353127 557512 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1317353180 479713 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this "lift"? < 1317353223 851239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :data BarrierT' front back m t = AnyT t | BarrierT' front (back -> BarrierT front back m t); newtype BarrierT front back m t = BarrierT (m (BarrierT' front back m t)) < 1317353231 785557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src MonadTrans < 1317353231 954543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Sorry. < 1317353233 743990 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: MonadTrans < 1317353235 830059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1317353262 792374 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you must add to build-depends transformers == 0.2.*) < 1317353269 786662 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barrier kind of resembles maybe-or-state to me. < 1317353271 808957 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and import Control.Monad.Trans) < 1317353300 937338 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so those are the package and modules. I will look at them < 1317353351 941350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lift x = BarrierT (liftM AnyT x) < 1317353354 231413 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :except there's no rank-2-ness < 1317353365 271069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1317353404 367698 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sounds right < 1317353415 630620 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: It does? Well, then that might be some use? Another thing it kind of resembles to me, is the generator functions in Javascript which is why the "yield" function is called "yield". < 1317353441 833851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about iterators or that kind of stuff < 1317353454 664032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :althought they mix other things into it < 1317353752 601830 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iterators? < 1317353763 482813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, *iteratees < 1317353796 833847 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iteratees? < 1317353803 328933 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/iterIO/0.2/doc/html/Data-IterIO.html is a good introduction < 1317353812 333357 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or http://okmij.org/ftp/Streams.html#iteratee < 1317354071 226601 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes there is something similar, although it is different < 1317354081 701664 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can see the similarity. < 1317354298 113621 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1317354391 804017 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1317354402 524640 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1317355680 498139 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1317355680 651857 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1317355681 544824 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1317355681 562612 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :*.net *.split < 1317355681 755100 :Zetro!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1317355682 301783 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1317355682 320162 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 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687909 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1317355686 722247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :*.net *.split < 1317355687 803926 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1317355688 50137 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1317355688 187997 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1317355688 516970 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1317355707 784946 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1317355709 946105 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: help < 1317355885 719394 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1317355885 738062 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1317355885 738199 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1317355885 738278 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1317355885 738359 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1317355885 738435 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1317355885 739426 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1317355885 739503 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1317355885 739579 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1317355885 739653 :chickenzilla!~zack@olol.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1317355885 739730 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1317355885 739805 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1317355967 366086 :Zetro!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1317356037 91177 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1317356587 211633 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1317356947 433873 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1317356976 955385 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, would there be any such things as cobarrier comonad? < 1317357140 584163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1317357177 777782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well iirc there should be a way to get one value out of it... < 1317357181 16360 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1317357199 441923 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317357261 384347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :would CoBarrier f b t = CoAny t | CoBarrier (t,f) (back -> CoBarrier f b t) work? < 1317357279 727031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm doesn't really seem symmetric to Barrier < 1317357307 35702 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you are right, it doesn't seem symmetric to Barrier < 1317357308 587381 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conomad is like, when two nomads go around the desert together. < 1317357314 577559 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You say, oh Jeff? He's my conomad. < 1317357326 64451 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some people are silly and say con omad but honestly. < 1317357329 895406 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conomads. Yes. < 1317357338 753966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm maybe the | should dualize to (,) < 1317357343 260749 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet oerjan wishes he has my analytical mind. < 1317357367 192657 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: w a -> w (w a), get writing < 1317357372 177069 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or (w a -> b) -> w a -> w b < 1317357374 320440 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has to be a functor < 1317357385 494319 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1317357388 600788 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also need w a -> a < 1317357390 384363 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have that already < 1317357410 803032 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/comonad/1.1.1.1/doc/html/Control-Comonad.html) < 1317357417 655227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :would CoBarrier f b t = CoBarrier t (Either f (b -> CoBarrier f b t)) < 1317357437 162225 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, define those :P < 1317357449 689636 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did read somewhere that comonads correspond to product types (such as (,)) as monads correspond to sum types (such as Either) < 1317357469 419866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so i tried switching that somehow < 1317357510 502932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CoBarrier f b t = CoBarrier t (Either f (CoBarrier f b t -> b)) < 1317357646 740642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that last one does sort of dualize every piece of it < 1317357690 971338 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :define the methods :P < 1317357691 273202 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see that. < 1317357701 53559 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure you can fmap that < 1317357703 999443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't really understand comonads :P < 1317357706 491994 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1317357710 803708 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be a proper functor < 1317357716 894852 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes you can just do it to the single "t" there but that's cheating) < 1317357734 287562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. must have the -> CoBarrier ... then < 1317357823 678520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty clearly a Functor, anyway < 1317357879 589559 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wish we had a typeclass tower up to Monad that had no duplication < 1317357884 971540 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you can implement fmap with the Applicative methods < 1317357889 685590 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can implement everything above with the monad methods < 1317357896 80276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone wishes that, elliott__ < 1317357899 124233 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool if we had a tower with no duplication at all < 1317357900 892516 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lol < 1317357907 108425 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm I guess fmap => join provides that < 1317357909 450377 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not a very strong tower < 1317357923 778523 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wait no < 1317357926 913671 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap => (pure, join) provides that < 1317358025 916852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CoBarrier t (Left f) could go to CoBarrier (CoBarrier t (Left f)) (Left f) < 1317358047 97679 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric : duplicate = extend id < 1317358047 233161 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fmap (fmap f) . duplicate = duplicate . fmap f < 1317358047 301182 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the law, if you choose that route :P < 1317358053 227709 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :extend :: (w a -> b) -> w a -> w b < 1317358055 143387 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems easier because it's just < 1317358057 779146 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric : extend f = fmap f . duplicate < 1317358061 96806 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1317358061 585738 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric : duplicate = extend id < 1317358066 87222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives up immediately < 1317358069 320044 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1317358070 9537 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1317358074 196077 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i f i shutted up what THEN < 1317358102 534149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful. as i said i don't understand comonads. < 1317358114 827174 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1317358222 732032 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew about comonads and their laws and what they do but i just today learned why they're amazing < 1317358230 24051 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i want to use them everywhere now < 1317358245 183749 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: go on < 1317358254 687268 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm bad at articulating things!!! < 1317358263 832425 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like why i think comonads are amazing < 1317358295 891856 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right it's i figured out what extend is for < 1317358302 769448 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it all made sense < 1317358312 608469 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it for? < 1317358328 624435 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :([a] -> b) -> [a] -> [b]... the question is I guess, how do you decide which groups of a to take... < 1317358343 843096 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like duplicate = tails is the instance < 1317358350 407212 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's \f -> map f . tails < 1317358355 270822 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map f (tails [a,b,c]) < 1317358356 428222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `b' in the constraints: < 1317358356 601676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `GHC.Show.Show b' < 1317358356 774722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : a... < 1317358359 464134 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:( < 1317358361 101659 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map f (tails [a,b,c]) :: [Expr] < 1317358362 355407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [f [a,b,c],f [b,c],f [c],f []] < 1317358364 995395 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1317358375 23418 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I still don't get it :) < 1317358448 502070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is [] a comonad? < 1317358451 884936 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1317358459 516958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might explain it :P < 1317358466 405302 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an instance of Extend though < 1317358473 474361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1317358521 694914 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a coalmostmonad :P < 1317358522 199821 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] cannot be a comonad because there is no extract < 1317358535 648735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1317358552 426214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are nonempty lists a comonad, then? < 1317358580 190038 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1317358586 24752 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or uh < 1317358589 323517 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1317358605 922151 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was looking at the wrong thing when i was checking but then i looked at the right thing and it was there too < 1317358616 390251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :both monad and comonad... < 1317358625 196621 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what would codo syntax look like? < 1317358635 389268 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :????? < 1317358646 117394 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo :: NonEmpty a -> NonEmpty (); foo xs = codo xs' <- xs; map (const ()) xs' < 1317358647 90163 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? :P < 1317358661 967338 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, codo < 1317358662 67407 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns into: extend (\xs' -> map (const () xs') xs < 1317358665 772678 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just invented that < 1317358751 994486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[5] <- x; [1,3] <- y; duplicate [x,y] codo < 1317358804 721368 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pretty............ < 1317358831 518805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in einen alternativen Universum, it might even make sense < 1317358837 346138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*einem < 1317359293 960772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1317359609 517918 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote in einem < 1317359612 262498 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :27) IN EINEM ALTERNATIVEN UNIVERSUM (WO DIE NAZIS WON): So kann ich nur schliessen, dass es falsch ist, oder die Welt ist vollig BONKERS. Gegrusset seist du der Fuhrer Hitler! < 1317359756 475416 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I tried it, there is Extend for lists < 1317359795 441588 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1317359918 543331 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, codo notation works. If you have RebindableSyntax you can use let { (>>=) = (=>>) } in (do { ... }) < 1317359953 26097 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few minutes ago i tried actually using comonads but couldn't think of anything that wasn't just the same as monads, for which i am currently blaming myself < 1317359974 764979 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1317360062 29846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (=>>) < 1317360062 861526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `=>>' < 1317360069 588928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy that. < 1317360111 210449 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extend w => w a -> (w a -> b) -> w b < 1317360159 669795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something similar to >> = < 1317360161 864125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1317360173 162917 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :w a -> b -> w b I guess < 1317360189 497271 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :w >< x = w =>> const x < 1317360208 295015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1317360217 185491 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<$) < 1317360218 481175 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (f :: * -> *) b. (Functor f) => a -> f b -> f a < 1317360221 968448 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1317360229 746259 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too :P < 1317360244 76008 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzling over why ($>) doesn't exist < 1317360264 13678 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The let { (>>=) = (=>>) } does not always work, it is not working like do-notation. < 1317360297 422332 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to do more than that to get it to work... < 1317360407 16844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip < 1317360407 913327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b. (Functor f) => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b < 1317360416 284208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1317360421 623888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (*>) < 1317360422 500263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b. (Applicative f) => f a -> f b -> f b < 1317360444 55285 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hmm can you do "w a -> w b -> w b" with comonads? < 1317360446 626720 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not < 1317360466 876724 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317360483 545590 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but I'm not sure < 1317360492 577916 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning! < 1317360499 176418 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh you can do "w a -> b -> w b" though < 1317360519 658888 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does w a -> w b -> w b do < 1317360523 246244 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't < 1317360525 88999 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :codo { w } === w < 1317360525 222666 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :codo { x <- w; w' } === w =>> \x -> w' < 1317360525 290470 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :codo { w; w' } === w =>> \_ -> w' < 1317360528 110190 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we are, codo < 1317360538 855246 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1317360539 78545 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :codo { w } === w < 1317360539 214418 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :codo { x <- w; w' } === w =>> \x -> codo w' < 1317360539 320502 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :codo { w; w' } === codo { _ <- w; w' } < 1317360540 750138 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada < 1317360550 715800 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's certainly possible to make things that are w a -> w b -> w b, no? < 1317360553 736027 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1317360555 721577 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not the one you were thinking of < 1317360559 72015 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: now your goal is... define OI comonad... < 1317360565 343339 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where purity ... is really hard < 1317360565 404331 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, oi < 1317360569 824551 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but side-effects fall out like butter < 1317360589 631627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: purity is never hard in a comonad < 1317360596 228941 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1317360600 94825 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> w a) is hard < 1317360611 655451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1317360615 534054 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you write the same thing as (w a -> a) < 1317360621 222208 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly you can define OI comonad in JavaScript? Is it? < 1317360622 447109 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :comonad zen < 1317360631 105867 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think so in Haskell < 1317360741 772473 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented Shadow comonad and found this: do { x <- [1,10]; y <- [99,999]; return (x,y); } = [(1,99),(1,999),(10,99),(10,999)] let { (>>=) = (=>>) } in do { x <- Shadow 1 10; y <- Shadow 99 999; (extract x, extract y); } = Shadow (Shadow (1,99) (1,999)) (Shadow (10,99) (10,999)) < 1317360750 589540 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is shadow < 1317360796 433565 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a comonad with a normal value and a shadow value (with the same type) in every computation. < 1317360809 635101 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadow value? < 1317360829 90210 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a more specialised version of the ((,) a) comonad? < 1317360830 90429 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a tuple < 1317360834 16921 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1317360852 911468 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Yes, there is a similarity. < 1317360994 159329 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a function f (Shadow x y) = x then (=>> f) switches the normal value (y) with the shadow value (x) < 1317361009 978130 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The value on right is the normal value, same as the ((,) a) comonad) < 1317361055 870216 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the use of this comonad? < 1317361081 958382 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made it up because I can, and check the comonad laws are working OK. < 1317361082 37628 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one < 1317361100 596385 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what is the use of the Shadow comonad that I just made up a few minutes ago? < 1317361126 647477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1317361429 396804 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BYOB is ridiculously weakly typed < 1317361508 13158 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like b your own b < 1317361640 618456 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... what the y and o stand for < 1317361665 221124 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this that blocks thing (what's that) < 1317361684 873216 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1317361695 513129 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1317361780 7251 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what the second b stands for < 1317361803 964824 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :visual programminglanugage for little kids was it < 1317361811 237277 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG < 1317361816 687860 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT CLOSE < 1317361824 581536 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :visual programminglanguage for taneb < 1317361860 289581 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a derivative of Scratch (which is visual programming language for little kids) designed to teach people MORE ADVANCED PROGRAMMING FEATURES such as first-class functions < 1317361868 616621 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or indeed functions < 1317361895 357622 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :=/ < 1317361909 310199 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"=/" --monqy < 1317361931 307543 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm inferring the little kids one is teaching little kids how to do things with mutable variables and dumb control structures which is bad!!! < 1317361978 870696 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than scaring them of programming FOREVER with lots of scary text < 1317361990 780473 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then: don't lots of scary text < 1317362008 815732 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it with: pictures and metaphor < 1317362012 626697 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and simple examples < 1317362014 972125 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and baby steps < 1317362058 33156 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scratch is also one of the hardest programming languages to make a mistake on < 1317362065 799794 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o? < 1317362066 765918 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1317362068 709446 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1317362072 221109 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll switch to it then < 1317362074 841640 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it really makes bugs hard < 1317362077 526080 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm SKEPTICAL < 1317362125 182782 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes bugs hard AT THE COST OF MAKING ALMOST EVERYTHING HARD < 1317362137 357119 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1317362140 506296 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And $ ./testlm-disk.pl ../twungot/{tokens,model}.bin.irc 5 do it with < 1317362140 679077 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it with syntax-case, to have more fun in life when you're not < 1317362140 697440 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it with c, less so with c++, or plain c. < 1317362140 697529 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it with syntax-rules. could you start it up once. it was probably unworkable... i didn't really think "hang on, i'll explain in a few years" < 1317362144 112867 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it with your own. :( now, i just did < 1317362146 439643 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it with oklopol. computed jumps... the topic. it will make sense? < 1317362158 452644 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scratch doesn't even have custom functions < 1317362182 124340 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 TOPIC #esoteric :computed jumps... the topic. | Esolang event @ Hel/Finland on 3.10.2011: https://wiki.helsinki.fi/display/lambda/esoteeriset+ohjelmointikielet | god bless haskell america | 12345678!&^ | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1317362197 177527 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or data structures other than a string, number, or list of strings and numbers < 1317362243 752573 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once made a brainfuck interpreter in Scratch < 1317362321 203466 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: poetry < 1317362355 745816 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How about "qwerty"? < 1317362373 274400 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolangers do it with: http://sprunge.us/FBcc < 1317362413 299621 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And brainfuck doesn't have any data types either, other than cell type, and also doesn't even have custom functions. < 1317362449 186415 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: qwerty what? < 1317362454 738043 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Lines starting "qwerty". < 1317362555 175845 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwerty. i see where you are from the pflog0 interface. what point are you trying to load other fingerprints too < 1317362558 650648 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwerty keyboard back in my windows days starts by explaining its name, UNK, < 1317362561 152862 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwerty memorized in 20 different timezones when i'm UNK underwater UNK before diving. but < 1317362564 171399 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwerty, from all nodes that can end a sentence with that then. < 1317362566 593209 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwerty all day at work here. < 1317362588 282202 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNK is what the Perl script calls fnord. < 1317362613 545972 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favoiurtes are still the results from plain "do it with" < 1317362658 171004 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what about... starting with UNK... < 1317362660 632780 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting with UNK UNK UNK... < 1317362665 22197 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unk unk unk < 1317362724 518315 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNK UNK UNK () < 1317362724 693069 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNK UNK UNK f UNK < 1317362724 711081 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNK UNK UNK UNK UNK UNK +))(if( t UNK d UNK t UNK < 1317362724 711248 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNK UNK UNK < 1317362724 711357 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNK UNK UNK UNK UNK, mutta suurin UNK on syntynyt UNK UNK, < 1317362734 189201 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That last bit is in Finnish. < 1317362758 120189 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"..., but the largest UNK was born UNK UNK" < 1317362758 427830 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unk problems < 1317362786 151436 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the largest unk was indeed born unk unk. < 1317362793 165838 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unk < 1317362835 491170 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNK UNK UNK -lgcc_s -lgcc UNK -lm -lpthread -lz -ldl -lgcc_s -lgcc -lc -lgcc_s -lgcc UNK -lm -lpthread -lz -ldl -lgcc_s -lgcc -lc -lgcc_s -lgcc UNK -lm -lpthread -lz -ldl -lgcc_s -lgcc -lc -lgcc_s -lgcc < 1317362839 943315 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNK UNK UNK UNK UNK. ja kun UNK tapahtuu kaikkien UNK, niin UNK UNK. args < 1317362847 810707 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish seems popular in thesel < 1317362865 981870 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and when UNK happens with all UNK, then UNK UNK." < 1317362936 150651 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I once made a Befunge-93 interpreter in Scratch < 1317362943 960108 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :All functors in Haskell are strong. What if you want to do something else? < 1317362955 777824 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I will have breakfast < 1317362961 737305 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: what a big quitter he is, eh? < 1317363258 972578 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot WRYYY can't you do the "starts-with" thing too? < 1317363259 183825 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: where did you get my point < 1317363276 597414 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I haven't gotten your point. < 1317363277 289280 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: advice for sarahbot") or " in meinen lederhosen" ( plural) or " in meinen lederhosen" ( plural) or " broken" archives. even less chance of getting help. i am puzzled < 1317363313 920829 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I am very puzzled too. You seem to not be making any of the sense. < 1317363329 62082 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh noes, too much? < 1317363502 359194 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot. < 1317363503 329884 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: gcc ( gcc) 3.4.3 fnord ( red hat fnord) may then result in other rules being fired and so on < 1317363509 955155 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Red Hat fnord. < 1317363646 309004 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best fnordstibution there is. < 1317363676 76848 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a bit contrived, fizzie. < 1317363708 977155 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your MOM was a bit fnordtived. < 1317363783 203307 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1317364892 979138 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317367318 484124 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:BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1317372382 259002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317373292 588154 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b72fd.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1317374132 791857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1317374283 363841 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1317374382 749564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317375128 564798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317375450 808746 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1317377824 528017 :da_petcu21!~da_petcu2@92.86.137.102 PART #esoteric :"Linkinus - http://linkinus.com" < 1317378660 933644 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b6d40.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317379340 138109 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1317380228 390082 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1317380898 675798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317381441 966221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1317381632 424558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317383370 971300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317383410 603342 :derdon!~derdon@p579CC8E3.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317383769 419217 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1317383902 440708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Deliciae Physico-Mathematicae (a 1636 magazine), German inventor Daniel Schwenter described a pen made from two quills. One quill served as a reservoir for ink inside the other quill." < 1317383904 591030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want one. < 1317384013 182080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1317384172 88207 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds very retro. < 1317384205 568173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, technology wise it has become obsolete < 1317384245 957939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1636 is a bit too old to be retro < 1317384255 98677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is it then? < 1317384260 553217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quillpunk. < 1317384266 286898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: heh, I like that description < 1317384266 740350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1317384272 181275 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :re^2tro, then. < 1317384278 338489 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. retro -- (a fashion reminiscent of the past) < 1317384281 831979 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No time limits there. < 1317384297 617061 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad you can reminisce that far back < 1317384309 903134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I like the way that re^2tro takes one more keypress than reretro. < 1317384310 147549 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least one of us can < 1317384358 811278 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_jamming < 1317384374 505199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :re^2tro = reetro, anyway, doesn't it < 1317384379 762198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd have to be (re)^2tro < 1317384383 259708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this may be the most veiled description of pretentious idiocy ever written. < 1317384443 578566 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's why it's in Category:Practical jokes. < 1317384455 617197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, OF COURSE < 1317384689 381884 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws a pie at fizzie's face. < 1317384704 652029 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION honks his horn, chuckles in delight, and dashes away. < 1317384733 751133 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HONK. < 1317384754 812708 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HONK, goes the horn pile. < 1317384811 157606 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, remind me, when did you last read Homestuck? < 1317384832 215829 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Now would be an excellent time to catch up, since we're all waiting for the end of act 5 flash and it'll be a while.) < 1317384894 655248 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A long long time ago. < 1317384897 931728 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a month? < 1317384907 747579 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll catch up when I up-catch. < 1317384931 298180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Hussie's set the EoA progress bar at 56% right now and it took at least a week for it to get there from 35%. < 1317384952 123639 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was doing the "click the panels" separate-things when I last looked at it. < 1317384973 375771 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not terribly far IIRC. < 1317385045 840346 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Below is a SAD NORD" -- I have been following that prequel thing, though. < 1317385070 359131 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed that... < 1317385090 650932 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, right. < 1317385593 670221 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-59.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317385612 35786 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-42.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1317385711 716189 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1317386755 72585 :tiffany!~tiffany@188.215.83.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1317386812 709461 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1317386879 751465 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, apparently the clock sync error was overstated. < 1317386911 794442 :tiffany!~tiffany@188.215.83.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317386970 348761 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1317387719 159974 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317387740 462508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide! boily! < 1317387750 396127 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname, you might want to speed up tiffany's autorejoin, BtW. < 1317387753 936429 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohi there < 1317388366 644702 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1317389994 806154 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Error: unidentified unSocket: 0x7f8393435380: magic FACE1010 != has 0" < 1317389997 773026 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting message. < 1317390122 669336 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not equal to has 0 < 1317390197 599536 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently my FACE is not good enough for Java. < 1317391168 542226 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your FACE... wait < 1317391205 530546 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not that your magic FACE isn't good enough < 1317391208 8888 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that it's < 1317391210 409434 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not has 0 < 1317391225 661111 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's has FAT AMERICAN FOOD YOU GREASY SLOB. < 1317391262 725752 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what would happen if you design a perfectly good general purpose language. < 1317391287 742636 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then gave it terrible and completely non helpful error messages < 1317391304 682241 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile error: smells like teen spirit < 1317391350 102432 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if it were open source someone would eventually get around to removing them... < 1317391368 353692 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would people use it regardless? perhaps if it did everything better than everything that currently exists... < 1317391574 645886 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1317393426 66172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers that, since garnets have a dodecahedral crystal habit, it is entirely possible to cut one along the cleavage planes to create the single best d12 in existence. < 1317393450 934378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you'd still have to make sure the cleavage planes were equally spaced < 1317393470 844156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well yes, you'd need to make sure it was regular. < 1317393501 581944 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmm, cleavage < 1317393527 22623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wait, WP doesn't actually give any cleavage for garnet. < 1317393581 698345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Garnets do not show cleavage, so when they fracture under stress, sharp irregular pieces are formed." < 1317393586 622844 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Garnets are very modest. < 1317393796 821783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*But* it's probably possible to get naturally-formed garnets which are sufficiently perfect for dice purposes. < 1317393822 962489 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1317394096 428708 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not likely I would say. < 1317394209 48751 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Andradite-Mali.jpg < 1317394211 160639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure about that? < 1317394226 553824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Grossular-ww51a.jpg < 1317394340 877386 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh still not ideal. < 1317394378 948045 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you could find one though < 1317394743 787096 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:> < 1317396040 504633 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317396077 392977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I seriously pondered adding wenches to the list. But this isn't that sort of comic." < 1317396083 649080 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1317396089 563786 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1317396107 485238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, a 12-sided die made of a single garnet crystal: best thing? < 1317396129 595664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For over-the-top bestness, make it out of pyrope and invent a Homestuck tabletop game.) < 1317396145 854200 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if the pips are sapphire < 1317396174 120176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't need any pips at all < 1317396182 183223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have it as a die that's blank on every side < 1317396200 186396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I actually have a set of those, including a 12-sider; I tend to deliberately roll them by accident from time to time to mystify and amuse people) < 1317396207 438711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A crystal with natural formations that look like numbers. < 1317396226 992775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or indeed natural formations that don't look like numbers. < 1317396304 777665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, look, that white vein is parallel to the edge! That makes it a seven!" "No, the black spot is in the corner! It's a three!" < 1317396667 761220 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37707/Untitled.png < 1317396755 442115 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useful advise: Haskell.com isn't actually about Haskell < 1317396957 650212 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-59.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1317396960 576433 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-85.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317396968 659298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, *advice < 1317396978 187264 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not when it's a verb < 1317397100 700855 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, I wrote a Subleq processor in Verilog. < 1317397113 540571 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably doesn't work, because I don't actually know Verilog very well. < 1317397358 761897 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Numeric_Prelude < 1317397360 531309 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1317397436 606457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, incidentally, how old is Elliott 'Facekicker' Hird? < 1317397452 990026 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :15-17 < 1317397460 501922 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1317397462 365458 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably 16 or seventeen < 1317397465 491674 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 < 1317397476 431468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, so he could well be our elliott__ from a year in the future? < 1317397495 693441 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was 9-10 when the kicking happened < 1317397496 41507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sent back in time to kick your friend in the face because her face is like Sarah Connor? < 1317397502 89347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1317397505 611371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A clone, perhaps? < 1317397512 867277 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A son? < 1317397521 378093 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__'s evil twin brother? < 1317397527 988275 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next, I suppose I'll add a transport-triggered coprocessor. Because implementing a right shift using only subtraction is... really inefficient. < 1317397532 834846 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, that's me < 1317397539 526568 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has two. < 1317397539 839510 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I'm the good one < 1317397556 257034 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... I'm elliott__'s good triplet? < 1317397559 571187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1317397654 404989 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if he's actually incredibly lethargic and irritable and just hasn't noticed because he doesn't like coffee. < 1317397674 374422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if I have some I'll turn into, like, Jesus Einstein. < 1317397677 968155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Albert Christ. < 1317397679 332307 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I don't like coffee! < 1317397681 483421 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god! < 1317397718 66282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: reminds me of trying to implement a 64-bit multiplication efficiently with only 8-bit increment and decrement < 1317397722 316211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, well yes but as we know you're elliott__'s good triplet so you're nice anyway and good is dumb so it never stood out. < 1317397727 605920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the end I gave up, it's doable but I didn't want to put in the effort < 1317397738 327444 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1317397741 588366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, TRY SOME COFFEE < 1317397759 798512 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is elliott__ the neutral one or the evil one? < 1317397767 261454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, maybe Facekicker is an evil genius and he's the one behind the neutrinopocalypse. < 1317397779 304962 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hexamopocalypse < 1317397790 28527 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, the evil one, but Facekicker is the really evil one. < 1317397795 297866 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're neutral. < 1317397862 474391 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lawful or Chaotic? < 1317397873 123101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lawful. < 1317397874 300267 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1317397880 749505 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh good < 1317397886 75088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were in that youth parliament thing nobody cares about, after all. < 1317397947 43053 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... elliott__ is chaotic evil and 'Facekicker' Hird is neutral evil? < 1317397987 404427 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you Righteous Evil < 1317397997 718101 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm lawful neutral < 1317398151 243381 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is chaotic good. < 1317398359 422619 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must say, I prefer esoteric programming languages that can emulate random access machines without a time penalty. < 1317398402 514307 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :With BF, if you frequently need to access one thing that's at the beginning of memory and another that's at the end, you will die. < 1317398423 508913 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless memory wraps around < 1317398509 629216 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're in the middle of memory, wrapping doesn't help a bit < 1317398691 422933 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1317398707 196632 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317398708 57258 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317398823 633949 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a BF /compiler/ can emulate random access, sure. < 1317398836 765392 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317398875 504893 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1317399143 607682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so could an optimising interp < 1317399169 471163 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317399181 457871 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1317399290 671826 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, this processor currently uses 60 lines of code. Let's say one logic element is needed per line of code. This one really cheap FPGA seems to have 25,000 logic elements. So it ought to be able to hold... about 400 processors. < 1317399299 250107 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1317399327 171251 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317399418 413115 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say the clock runs at 625 MHz. The processor executes an instruction every two or three cycles. So that means we should be able to execute... eighty billion instructions per second. < 1317399575 616836 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My clever three cell brainfuck to lambdabot flavour haskell translator's initial tape is made up of consts, flips, ids, and brackets < 1317399606 225543 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"three cell brainfuck to lambdabot flavour haskell translator" ???????? < 1317399615 165953 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1317399636 435826 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's 4 things in 3 cells. < 1317399668 23188 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :three cell is a compound adjective referring to brainfuck rather than the translator < 1317399704 427914 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot flavour refers to the haskell available through lambdabot < 1317399717 195454 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the tralsnator is also brainfuck but with functions>? < 1317399722 16585 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :3reqw3r[-oo3rw33333][[][ < 1317399733 873831 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It translates brainfuck to haskell < 1317399749 986086 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITHOUT IO < 1317399751 717022 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I understand that much. < 1317399762 988096 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The translator is written in Python < 1317399768 682374 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to annoy everyone < 1317399778 268720 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'M JUST CONFUSED ABOUT "the initial tape is made up of consts, flips, ids, and brackets" < 1317399822 760881 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty literal translation < 1317399846 100607 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can a BF tape contain consts, flips, and ids? < 1317399852 502404 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip (flip id (const id)) (flip (flip id (const id)) (const id)) works out as a three cell church list filled with church zeroes < 1317399876 964370 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't do any folds right? < 1317399882 389673 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck doesn't work like that. < 1317399962 1199 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only using consts, flips, ids, joins, aps, (.)s, and brackets < 1317399980 571239 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a church list folds things over itself.. yes? < 1317399991 528898 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit like a linked list < 1317400046 80802 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nevermind I was thinking of the church list that's defined by its right fold function < 1317400123 122183 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cons = \h t c n. c h (t c n) < 1317400143 735250 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nil = \c n. n aka false < 1317400190 306687 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ translates as ap ((.) ((.) flip (flip id))((.) (ap (.))(flip id const)))(flip id(const id)) < 1317400198 642837 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obfuscated haskell ftw < 1317400221 513315 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're basically translating brainfuck into lambda calculus < 1317400227 791577 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLOSE < 1317400231 598744 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or SKI < 1317400233 248742 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combinatory logic < 1317400238 935658 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCKWSI < 1317400243 91687 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1317400243 645829 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like MIBBLLII < 1317400253 238279 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the long term aim < 1317400289 125767 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if the fold-list would work for brainfuck < 1317400306 124125 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me, what exactly is a fold list? < 1317400311 697503 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do like Lazy K, having it translate into the IO monad, from a church encoding? < 1317400319 737192 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not the technical name for it. < 1317400334 145576 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_encoding#Higher-order_function < 1317400500 263533 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be kind of cumbersome because bf isn't very foldy < 1317400771 327356 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a NSF music titled "Un5th Symphony" < 1317401581 596364 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ is S(B(BC(CI))(\t.B(SB)(CIK)t))(CI(KI)) < 1317401591 672700 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, wrong one < 1317401618 707932 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ is S(B(BC(CI))(B(SB)(CIK)))(CI(KI)) < 1317401626 105935 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- is S(B(BC(CI))(B(C(BC(B(BC)(C(BC(B(BB)(CB(B(B(CI))(CI)))))K)))I)(CIK)))(CI(KI)) < 1317401629 868905 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spot the difference < 1317401850 361191 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1317402086 272404 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> is S(B(BC(CI))(B(CIK)(CI(KI))))(S(B(BC(CI))(B(CI(KI))(CI(KI))))(CIK)) < 1317402087 419631 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `is'Not in scope: data constructor `S'Not in scope: data cons... < 1317402095 987703 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, < is S(B(BC(CI))(B(CIK)(CI(KI))))(S(B(BC(CI))(B(CI(KI))(CI(KI))))(CIK)) < 1317402103 161762 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either's good < 1317402133 320843 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net NICK :Taneb|Hovercraft < 1317402142 228491 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1317402207 688825 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this is no good < 1317402223 900211 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: I CANNAE TAKE IT ANY MORE < 1317402235 59002 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1317402269 707739 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Quillpunk. < 1317402272 490676 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I love you. < 1317402273 54194 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/NXXi < 1317402344 189341 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Huh, apparently the clock sync error was overstated. < 1317402345 964870 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaaaaaaaay. < 1317402406 398193 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote the http://sprunge.us/NXXi it is document about my idea related to specifying preparing printouts of literate Haskell program in a Cabal package. Read it please make opinion/suggestion/question/complain < 1317402833 725333 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use LaTeX or ConTeXt or XeTeX or whatever, or even things I have not listed, you can write those sections that I did not write. < 1317402921 490398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/kwjks/assuming_that_highenergy_neutrinos_are/ < 1317402934 100099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 downvotes. < 1317402946 210042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't see why. < 1317402960 379403 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Surely by now you know that the up/downvote totals are heavily fudged. < 1317402974 869831 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, but the margin is the same, no? < 1317402984 571732 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's probably more like one upvote, one downvote, man. < 1317402993 770876 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, I upvoted it. < 1317402998 794460 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both the up and downvote counts went up. < 1317403000 34584 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally fudged. < 1317403048 592200 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read document about X-Printout- fields in Cabal? < 1317403062 593283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, sure, but the margin is still -3. < 1317403085 792912 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'll get someone else to upvote it when they're online. :p < 1317403094 93659 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything you see wrong with my file? < 1317403104 218951 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Did you check nobody had submitted anything similra before? < 1317403107 684553 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's < 1317403108 169587 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How could you violate causality with FTL neutrinos? (self.askscience) < 1317403108 305771 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :submitted 2 days ago by AllUZombies < 1317403108 323760 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 commentssharesavehidereport < 1317403118 527275 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/ktd14/how_could_you_violate_causality_with_ftl_neutrinos/ < 1317403122 671409 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: https://plus.google.com/117832052760789742441/about _HI IM A BIG DUDE FOR BIG PEOPLE_ < 1317403133 782969 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I already found one thing wrong and I corrected it by adding "The files listed in this field are not included in the Cabal package." in the section about X-Printout-Require field, to clarify that. < 1317403138 638353 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Yes you are like the last person to comment on that. < 1317403149 833409 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: last? < 1317403153 386852 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, obviously < 1317403165 98521 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: you are the last person to mention that I commented on it. < 1317403184 575519 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how to delete a Google+ account. < 1317403196 297649 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hack it < 1317403198 846785 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :put porn on it. < 1317403204 683982 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, that question's different, though. < 1317403210 466278 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I could just change my name to "ehird .". < 1317403212 75754 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google doesn't want you do delete anything. < 1317403213 452979 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking how you'd actually set up apparatus to do it. < 1317403223 66718 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Lots of rockets. < 1317403232 967984 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: oh so that's yours? < 1317403238 892594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Urist McElliott method. < 1317403251 479329 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Yes, obviously. < 1317403268 59590 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: it could have been another elliott hird that is an egg that vanquished time. < 1317403286 320890 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I was /born/ in an egg that vanquished time, you philistine. < 1317403319 181701 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: you want to be Google+ friendz? < 1317403329 880970 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I want nothing less. < 1317403498 906022 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such thing as fax gopher client? < 1317403526 612047 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: :( < 1317403543 457110 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Have hope: It could be just because of my objection to Google+. < 1317403565 933686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, what objection? < 1317403578 1720 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317403617 451480 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: (a) Google know more than they should about the social graph as it is, they don't need us explicitly TELLING them about it; (b) their names policy is completely unacceptable and this is a big deal. < 1317403638 992138 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have defined enough to make a Iterated Collatz Function to MIBBLLII translation < 1317403648 994060 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Exactly. As I said. Google doesn't want you to delete anything. < 1317403663 505750 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to oerjan's recent Iterated Collatz Function to brainfuck translation < 1317403719 896888 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, what is it? < 1317403725 463394 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What is what? < 1317403730 870249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their names policy. < 1317403735 469224 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An esolanger from Hexham, but that's not important < 1317403761 886441 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCAS apparently needs me to tell it that I'm a UK national about five times. < 1317403772 252948 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "You must use your full legal name -- which we assume includes a surname, because there are no people with legal names without surnames -- exclusively, and if you do not completely follow this, or if you follow it but we think your name looks weird, we will ban you." < 1317403784 209294 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Amusingly, tons of Google employees were found to be using names violating this policy.) < 1317403813 589727 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if someone has same name as someone else? < 1317403828 137743 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then my friend gets kicked in the face < 1317403830 511455 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN THE PAST < 1317403854 238458 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want ngevds friend to be kicked in the face in the past??? < 1317403859 762490 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having the same name as someone else: its bad < 1317403901 659221 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I a) buy showtime and watch the new season of Dexter as it airs b) wait for Hulu/torrent/internets < 1317403960 213846 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c. < 1317403964 375865 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely c < 1317403984 573738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! g. Definitely g < 1317404132 786822 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net NICK :Taneb|Hovercraft < 1317404148 252929 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :c) act out a deep-seated serial killer fantasy, influenced by its glorification in the series. < 1317404211 576334 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :g) write dope hip hop lyrics to convey realistic yet positive messages to today's youth < 1317404300 315837 :ive!~nn@189.179.248.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317404739 276183 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to d, e, f? < 1317404778 412892 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I killed them, overtaken by hedonistic bloodlust. < 1317404787 600780 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear. < 1317404864 564457 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :h) take a night on the town, sampling fine cigars, causing pandamonia in numerous strip clubs, and discovering a taste for black tar heroin. < 1317405254 923157 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ucas is fucking annoying. < 1317405315 334206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1317405338 353823 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :United Canadian and American States? < 1317405362 328171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317405382 111916 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the actual most obnoxious low-battery routine. < 1317405397 773783 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fictional country in the shadowrun universe) < 1317405401 313657 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without warning, it hibernates the computer and cocks it up so that I have to hard reboot. < 1317405442 421225 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly enough one of the presidents of UCAS was a dragon. < 1317405447 872443 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :first dragon president. < 1317405461 979678 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:54:14: Phantom_Hoover: ucas is fucking annoying. < 1317405474 541710 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I can't imagine they designed it with toddlers in mind. < 1317405519 999694 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? < 1317405529 983516 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's exactly who it was designed for < 1317405648 729462 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317406107 106992 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317406517 134262 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PART :#esoteric < 1317406523 663943 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317406658 118385 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1317407000 835030 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1317407008 403275 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net NICK :Ngevd < 1317407085 64330 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wsrfwreweyg < 1317407089 859353 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1317408765 49499 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing music likes to freeze everything on my computer for some reason. < 1317408776 932330 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playing music < 1317408779 73387 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1317408781 510564 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an idea < 1317408973 491186 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to a (now resolved) DNS issue, some Wikimedia sites, including Wikipedia, may be unreachable for the next hour or so. If it doesn't work for you, try again a bit later. < 1317408978 224322 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world will be in ruins shortly < 1317408987 278382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god. < 1317409004 526115 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :HALP HOW DID I KNOW STUFF NOW? < 1317409005 475232 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's time we saw a miracle < 1317409014 971087 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on it's time fore something miracle < 1317409020 423766 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To pull us through < 1317409032 103033 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh how I have missed you Matt Bellamy's voice < 1317409043 844225 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MoThErFuCkIn MiRaClEs < 1317409050 160356 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they work? < 1317409057 188278 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know! < 1317409057 324756 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that looks terrible in Libertine. < 1317409069 359078 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:5fWK0DkuNE8J:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cache+wikipedia+cache&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us < 1317409097 504341 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: It's like you're IN THEMATRIXE............E......... < 1317409198 148693 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i see the code am than best ever was. < 1317409272 750364 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a computer with a cache cache. < 1317409283 9264 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to cache previous cache states. < 1317409294 753354 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So CakeProphet polish up your keyboard and open emacs hard / 'cos hell's broke loose in #esoteric and the devil writes the code < 1317409296 780403 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is in no way equivalent to having just a really large cache. < 1317409302 297757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not going to end well. < 1317409305 435987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy australian mailman mailing list memberships reminder day! < 1317409313 261491 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: okay I am now starting at emacs. < 1317409356 944489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you win you get this shiny keyboard made of... spode? / but if you lose the devil gets your... mode? < 1317409363 429963 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1317409372 221843 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I give him perl-mode because it's bad? < 1317409376 596181 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keep cperl? < 1317409382 973533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1317409389 82044 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge accepted. < 1317409398 657336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The devil is not an Emacs connoisseur. < 1317409418 763911 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been very happy since I worked out how to spell connoisseur without needing to look it up. < 1317409450 172082 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :committee is an annoying word to type < 1317409456 713039 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember I had typing classes and they would use that one a lot < 1317409459 747163 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric : So CakeProphet polish up your keyboard and open emacs hard / 'cos hell's broke loose in #esoteric and the devil writes the code < 1317409460 922494 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because they hate us. < 1317409461 333689 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no stop. < 1317409471 401597 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have been very happy since I worked out how to spell connoisseur without needing to look it up. < 1317409486 284932 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: One day I will be able to spell bureaucrat without lookgi it up-- OMFG I JUST DID < 1317409495 388707 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn French. < 1317409496 486829 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait can I do aficionado now too. No I can't. < 1317409520 841927 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aficionado is correct. < 1317409531 511797 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I introduced a friend to the concept of Hilbert's Grand Hotel today < 1317409543 734580 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To explain convergence < 1317409551 827891 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes but I used my spell chequer. < 1317409553 966331 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convergence? < 1317409559 826778 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was like aficianado before that. < 1317409561 120722 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of a series < 1317409583 756313 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, oh man, you're reminding me of that time I tried to convince my chemistry teacher that no, space would not fill up if we dumped nuclear waste into it. < 1317409609 929721 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you tell him/her about Hilbert's Grand Hotel? < 1317409618 680688 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I can just imagine that now < 1317409620 875545 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to solve landfill problems: space catapult < 1317409623 434101 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: To be fair, nuclear waste is pretty big. < 1317409624 666789 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRETTY BIG. < 1317409630 896080 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a useful weapon against incoming asteroids and space aliens. < 1317409636 909719 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do you think Mr Hilbert would let us put Nuclear Waste in some of his rooms?" < 1317409637 360592 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurl our mounds of garbage at them. < 1317409650 944156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone quipped that we were hardly going to run out since it's expanding on the time, whereupon she said "if space is expanding what's it expanding into YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT" "yes I can" "SHUT UP PH NO YOU DON'T" < 1317409662 412890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well OK she didn't call me PH but otherwise it's accurate. < 1317409670 565666 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Can you get people to start calling you PH irl. < 1317409677 566307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1317409678 531921 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of need you to do that for my mental stability. < 1317409681 721565 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you don't understand < 1317409686 933250 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I literally think your real name is Phantom Hoover < 1317409689 676348 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: space can only handle so many PRETTY BIG things. < 1317409696 17775 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is irreversibly ingrained into my mind < 1317409702 444706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, I thought you thought my real name was something else. < 1317409714 85006 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes I figured out your real name but I don't really know that as your real name. < 1317409722 437186 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is similar to how I think Gregor is actually Roger G. < 1317409725 656856 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a fair point to bring up < 1317409727 408915 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :often < 1317409728 173558 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTELLECTUALLY that's your real name but my brain would never respond with anything other than Phantom Hoover in response to a snap query as to what your real name is. < 1317409731 566876 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that this is what I think. < 1317409743 459474 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: happy that, btw < 1317409745 379306 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I think my name is Taneb < 1317409753 463520 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit weird < 1317409759 226356 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :tehporPekaC < 1317409762 88247 :tehporPekaC!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION evolves. < 1317409769 700979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: it took me almost 10 seconds to expand the pronoun there < 1317409772 126442 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello, I'm Taneb." "Nathan... what?" < 1317409797 605437 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Your real name should be Taneb, too. < 1317409799 588835 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just Taneb. < 1317409809 450659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've introduced myself as ais523 to anyone in real life yet < 1317409811 98768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, he couldn't have a Google+ account then. < 1317409814 696299 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Taneb, too. < 1317409815 182659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /have/ introduced myself as callforjudgement to people, though < 1317409819 802812 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just Taneb."? < 1317409830 826342 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well OK he needs to change his legal name to "Taneb ." < 1317409831 143931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'tis easier to pronounce, and it's the name they knew me by already < 1317409834 518922 :tehporPekaC!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name is unknown to anyone in the universe. < 1317409838 563308 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha, how did that happen? < 1317409848 226327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have mentally referred to myself as Phantom_Hoover, though. < 1317409851 339376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokémon VGC < 1317409856 439996 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: With the underscore? < 1317409864 313260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even named the player on the cartridge CFJ for consistency < 1317409880 71136 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFJ would be a pretty good set of initials to have. < 1317409883 980538 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net NICK :Taneb|Hovercraft < 1317409886 432605 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj would be a good Unix account name, in turn. < 1317409888 364034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, no, that's just because a tab completion is a terrible thing to waste. < 1317409907 977669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1317409930 296620 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually your name causes my brain-talking engine real difficulty, because even aye eye ess is a bit of a pain to pronounce < 1317409944 510309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1317409946 717838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :callforjudgement < 1317409948 754506 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this better? < 1317409956 633170 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, it doesn't look like you at all < 1317409960 263983 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1317409966 702004 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling myself ais523 would be weird in some places < 1317409973 130807 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this nick's a newer one, but possibly a better one < 1317409976 542320 :tehporPekaC!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: are you a big dude? < 1317409982 791918 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.230.83 NICK :cfj < 1317409987 465732 :cfj!~elliott@95.149.230.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit, this isn't registered < 1317409989 739826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1317409996 224074 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement, WHAT IS YOUR MIDDLE NAME TELL ME DAMMIT < 1317409998 280083 :tehporPekaC!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj: are you a big dude? < 1317410001 199616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TELL ME OR I KILL VORPAL < 1317410003 23854 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: for < 1317410007 332950 :cfj!~elliott@95.149.230.83 QUIT :Changing host < 1317410007 351228 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1317410014 95297 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, this nick is now mine < 1317410016 455658 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: let us confuse together < 1317410021 112159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : TELL ME OR I KILL VORPAL <-- ? < 1317410026 190938 :tehporPekaC!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj: are you a big dude??? < 1317410029 307701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cfj < 1317410036 569666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, cfj? callforjudgement? < 1317410040 707793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement, Alex For Smith, abbreviated Alex I. Smith. < 1317410041 632320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same buy? < 1317410042 869816 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ibiza. < 1317410049 232403 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alex Ibiza Smith. < 1317410052 710402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1317410056 224093 :tehporPekaC!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal using sound skills of deduction. < 1317410059 953643 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: cfj is elliott pretending to be me < 1317410060 469607 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1317410064 568631 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: no I'm not < 1317410067 616273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement, right and you are ais < 1317410068 44531 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm elliott pretending to be me < 1317410070 527031 :tehporPekaC!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 15:13 -!- cfj [~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott] has joined #esoteric < 1317410085 648592 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: callforjudgement is my actual nick, though < 1317410086 870706 :tehporPekaC!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj: nice act. < 1317410093 609199 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in my email address, for one thing < 1317410097 89166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tehporPekaC, I saw a bit later, I missed where callforjudgement changed his nick < 1317410098 497795 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tehporPekaC: Dude, I never left the channel, that's just the hostname crap. < 1317410107 441192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement, what is it dammit < 1317410107 719095 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: FSVO your email address < 1317410115 718893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :jfc < 1317410116 951301 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I have more than one < 1317410120 126294 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other one has ais523 in it < 1317410120 144686 :jfc!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :ph < 1317410121 707307 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just fucking cidding? < 1317410124 485629 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1317410125 281813 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT MUST BE < 1317410126 941332 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPPERCASE < 1317410128 282294 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PH" < 1317410131 285484 :ph!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :PH < 1317410132 872530 :tehporPekaC!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj: oh okay. How was I supposed to know then? :P < 1317410135 906215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, "just for cider" < 1317410140 817062 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tehporPekaC: because it gives it in the quit message < 1317410147 649865 :PH!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- Registered : Jul 23 14:38:30 2002 (9 years, 10 weeks, 1 day, 04:37:20 ago) < 1317410147 934514 :PH!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- Last seen : (about 0 weeks ago) < 1317410149 460874 :PH!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit. < 1317410161 965046 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a long time to use a nick. < 1317410166 869799 :tehporPekaC!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :sidebrun < 1317410167 358256 :PH!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :dmm < 1317410175 42361 :dmm!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Prince_Charles < 1317410182 713982 :sidebrun!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick everyone use a different nick < 1317410182 806826 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net NICK :Ngevd < 1317410185 765581 :sidebrun!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then when someone else enters < 1317410188 293043 :sidebrun!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will be so confused. < 1317410196 712708 :sidebrun!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also change username real name etc < 1317410197 725490 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, I always pronounce ais a bit like ace < 1317410201 449869 :sidebrun!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I un-vhost? < 1317410206 603265 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone can use my nick for a bit if they want. < 1317410210 918357 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sidebrun: /ns logout < 1317410221 622594 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My nick being elliott. < 1317410232 747799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sidebrun, by reconnecting and not identifying, that is all as far as I know < 1317410237 572412 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Dude, /ns logout. < 1317410240 972699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1317410246 539821 :sidebrun!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj: dudddidueududude < 1317410348 25448 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I'm Ngevd here, the only places where I go with any frequency with the same username are the IWC forums and Twitter < 1317410357 970401 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is confusing enough that I had to /whois Vorpal to make sure it was the right Vorpal < 1317410399 442123 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only changed my nick as I do by standard < 1317410404 832220 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am Ngevd most of the time < 1317410419 311380 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb when Ngevd is not available, and when there is an event at #darths < 1317410424 773650 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Once built, we can dynamically load the resulting dylib into LLVMs opt tool using the -load option, and then use the new -ghc-aa flag to tell LLVM to use our alias analyser as a complement to the default one. Unfortunately, due to an infelicity in LLVM, we have to specify -ghc-aa in between every single optimisation pass if we want to be sure that it is used. So the final command line to opt, including al < 1317410424 943248 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :l passes done by the standard -O2 optimisation level, and the -loop-reduce strength-reduction pass, needs to look something like this: < 1317410424 961092 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :opt -load GHCAliasAnalysis.dylib -S -no-aa -tbaa -basicaa -ghc-aa \ < 1317410425 260463 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-globalopt -ghc-aa -ghc-aa -ipsccp -ghc-aa -deadargelim -ghc-aa -instcombine -ghc-aa -simplifycfg \ < 1317410427 247479 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ghc-aa -basiccg -ghc-aa -prune-eh -ghc-aa -inline -ghc-aa -functionattrs -ghc-aa -scalarrepl-ssa \ < 1317410429 220851 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ghc-aa -domtree -ghc-aa -early-cse -ghc-aa -simplify-libcalls -ghc-aa -lazy-value-info -ghc-aa \ < 1317410431 271165 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-jump-threading -ghc-aa -correlated-propagation -ghc-aa -simplifycfg -ghc-aa -instcombine -ghc-aa \ < 1317410433 240392 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-tailcallelim -ghc-aa -simplifycfg -ghc-aa -reassociate -ghc-aa -domtree -ghc-aa -loops -ghc-aa \ < 1317410434 139822 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb|Hovercraft when I am either here or not here < 1317410435 280025 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-loop-simplify -ghc-aa -lcssa -ghc-aa -loop-rotate -ghc-aa -licm -ghc-aa -lcssa -ghc-aa -loop-unswitch \ < 1317410437 284514 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ghc-aa -instcombine -ghc-aa -scalar-evolution -ghc-aa -loop-simplify -ghc-aa -lcssa -ghc-aa -indvars \ < 1317410439 269911 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ghc-aa -loop-idiom -ghc-aa -loop-deletion -ghc-aa -loop-unroll -ghc-aa -memdep -ghc-aa -gvn -ghc-aa \ < 1317410441 239684 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-memdep -ghc-aa -memcpyopt -ghc-aa -sccp -ghc-aa -instcombine -ghc-aa -lazy-value-info -ghc-aa \ < 1317410441 647807 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb|Kindle when I am on a Kindle < 1317410443 231276 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-jump-threading -ghc-aa -correlated-propagation -ghc-aa -domtree -ghc-aa -memdep -ghc-aa -dse \ < 1317410445 287778 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ghc-aa -adce -ghc-aa -simplifycfg -ghc-aa -instcombine -ghc-aa -strip-dead-prototypes -ghc-aa \ < 1317410447 255841 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-constmerge -loop-reduce" < 1317410449 266072 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1317410451 240324 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did that have to be pre-linewrapped < 1317410531 411222 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1317410539 848637 :sidebrun!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :Kallisti < 1317410556 917561 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lame < 1317410569 578776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people in a different channel were shouting at me < 1317410569 769900 :Kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooo < 1317410571 788094 :Kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :already taken. < 1317410576 705459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't like seeing me as anything but ais523 < 1317410595 401536 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#nethack? < 1317410674 224909 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn You A Haskell has a sentence "Use this if you are French." < 1317410685 435366 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We can't implement this scheme in LLVM. We resort to post processing the assembly it produces." < 1317410686 833402 :Kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :CakeProphet < 1317410688 74154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, that was a LOT of flags, several duplicate ones too? < 1317410688 140547 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on < 1317410697 456201 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: did you _read_ the paragraph before the flags? < 1317410730 493961 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: How much did you pay for the latest Bundle. < 1317410730 511993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, ah no, it scrolled out of the window due to the length of the paste XD < 1317410734 948523 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lol < 1317410766 485355 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Access flag(s) +voOtsriRfAF in #anon < 1317410766 991625 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1317410770 884131 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever been in that channel < 1317410785 639112 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Access flag(s) +A in #omgwtf < 1317410789 122922 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1317410791 372 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :elliott < 1317410802 435895 :elliott!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaaaand... < 1317410808 36509 :elliott!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1317410811 254221 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1317410814 262115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, huh? < 1317410830 481742 :elliott!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1317410831 64402 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eagerly awaiting -_- < 1317410831 101903 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :output from /ns infochans < 1317410833 571397 :elliott!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1317410842 765152 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looooooooool < 1317410845 193009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, says invalid command for me < 1317410858 748107 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317410862 352796 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, ___ < 1317410864 913354 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ns ghost Prince_Charles < 1317410865 86573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, what was the actual command you used? < 1317410870 373640 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's an all-caps -_-.) < 1317410874 504998 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: X-D < 1317410891 596839 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: But srsly, < 1317410894 904631 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Prince_Charles: How much did you pay for the latest Bundle. < 1317410897 785531 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: er listchans < 1317410900 551400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1317410914 517641 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, $10. < 1317410923 763128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... nothing unexpected there for me, a few channels I remember but haven't been in for ages, that is about it < 1317410927 271244 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the Frozenbyte stuff is good and works, $10 wasted. < 1317410927 690773 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: I'll pay $10.01. < 1317410940 663051 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe my memory is just bad :P < 1317410946 498881 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, no don't do it it'll work for you and I will sad. < 1317410948 748860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles, the frozen byte stuff won't work on intel graphics < 1317410966 449817 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: Dude, do what I told you to: Get a Twitter and bother @bundle about it. < 1317410967 40538 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1317410968 367337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :known issue as listed on some page there < 1317410980 534317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, AND report it to bugzilla < 1317410993 827144 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: He already fucking did, like I said last time, that won't help in a billion years. < 1317410999 171333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1317411006 83187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so twitter then, sounds like a good plan < 1317411021 243429 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I have had literally no human response thus far. < 1317411031 348471 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: Was that OK re: Twitter? < 1317411031 734874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles, anyway Trine is amazing, but requires non-intel graphics < 1317411037 511842 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt I will get one if I throw it into the vast bug pool of Twitter. < 1317411050 331910 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it really is the best strategy, if you see the rate of responses to people on http://twitter.com/#!/humble. < 1317411060 823444 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: Dude, if you ping @humble they'll see it. < 1317411066 82322 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, I'm going to try the Frozenbyte stuff to get an empirical proof that I paid for a package of software which doesn't work. < 1317411071 162966 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, I meant Bugzilla. < 1317411078 769910 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blame my lower brain functions. < 1317411106 485206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is Trauma? a new game heh < 1317411127 703146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well will download it once I'm back on my desktop < 1317411203 475649 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I apparently have op privs on a channel called #anon < 1317411206 247169 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder when that happened. < 1317411215 989288 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one's in it but it's registered still. < 1317411229 984332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, who registered it? Who else have access in it? < 1317411240 109772 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Founder : CakeProphet < 1317411242 248991 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I did :P < 1317411248 440493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1317411253 39772 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw a Trauma review somewhere recently. < 1317411266 969362 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 years ago. < 1317411272 152406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any good? < 1317411279 172084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, dig up your irc logs from back then < 1317411285 975790 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my irc logs" ha < 1317411289 737238 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, ? < 1317411291 209721 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have those. < 1317411293 356606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1317411301 97808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then wonder forever < 1317411328 25099 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, uh... "different", I believe. The reviewer liked it. < 1317411399 585271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, different like for example Bastion, Braid or that black and white game I forgot the name of currently < 1317411401 942216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1317411423 346124 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you're thinking of the game Black and White < 1317411450 112870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not that one < 1317411474 519714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a recent game, that was made in black and white and some shades of gray < 1317411477 547315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzle game < 1317411524 912485 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIMBO? < 1317411528 746744 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's more of a story/interactive/thing than a game, I think. But I haven't played it. < 1317411540 548970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes, thanks < 1317411543 722332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1317411557 586385 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Prince_Charles: Vorpal: So the Bundles have made over $6.510 million in total now. < 1317411576 829678 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wikipedia figures + a day old or so total of the current Bundle, but it had doubled from the previous value in, like, hours, so it'll be way more now.) < 1317411579 821079 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, quite impressive < 1317411583 917707 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this game is puzzle game that is black and white, but I doubt it's what you're thinking of: http://www.flasharcade.com/arcade-games/play/shift-game.html < 1317411587 796673 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :none from me though. i just sit and suffer when people tell me how awesome they are. < 1317411596 866539 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Bit more than "quite". < 1317411598 214184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, see above, Limbo < 1317411617 121574 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1317411626 438327 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good to finally have some proof that traditional distribution models are completely inefficient. < 1317411644 171679 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, how much has this bundle made? < 1317411653 331974 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Context? < 1317411657 327818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the more than average thing it seems to be climbing VEEERY slowly up < 1317411664 581123 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: $480,779.60 now. < 1317411670 224374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1317411685 126508 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well... it went from $200,000 to $400,000 in hours. < 1317411701 484333 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why the more than average thing would make it go slower; it was present in previous Bundles too. < 1317411723 449059 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there's twelve days left, so I suspect it'll make more than the Frozenbyte bundle. < 1317411731 741568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, it wasn't introduced right at the start last time < 1317411733 634253 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess: one to two million. < 1317411756 940755 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably less than two million but c'mon, it's only been up a few days and it's half way to what the Frozenbyte bundle got. < 1317411761 985633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317411763 859149 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "TRAUMA is a unique photographic experience by game designer Krystian Majewski. Dive into the mind of a traumatized young woman to learn and understand." < 1317411768 740496 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, it's one of those Art Games. < 1317411775 986225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, don't like art games? < 1317411789 262691 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure I do, but come on, look at their site: http://www.traumagame.com/ < 1317411792 385489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, see it not so much as a game as an experience < 1317411797 417405 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like a site for a pretentious novel. < 1317411798 579187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, interesting < 1317411800 456069 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also did you really just say that. < 1317411804 592459 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj: Says one commentator: "Trauma is an overpriced collection of panoramic photos with grossly shallow gameplay, wedged into a pretentious shell of a story." < 1317411807 309935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, no I didn't < 1317411815 7328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, the irc client is lying to you < 1317411824 158791 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1317411825 390731 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Good because I would have to drive to Birmingham, wrestle control of ais' IRC client from him, and ban you. < 1317411831 918704 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://www.traumagame.com/pics/screenshot02.jpg. Art. < 1317411845 956403 :CakeProphet!~eris@h217.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317411845 993912 :CakeProphet!~eris@h217.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1317411846 11902 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1317411854 854969 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :weweeeee < 1317411856 125225 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Clicking on certain areas of each photo shifts the perspective, while drawing symbols learned from collectable Polaroids allows the player to examine or manipulate objects. The imagery is often striking: a building bends and collapses as if made of thin rubber; a wall is sucked into an imaginary plughole; a blurry figure suddenly shatters into tiny fragments." < 1317411857 824288 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Art. < 1317411867 363932 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, Polaroids. < 1317411867 569182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, anyway, I suggest you play that weird PS3 game that came out recently (or was it demoed? I don't remember). Journey I think it was called. < 1317411870 331020 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The defining mark of art. < 1317411871 120972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked VERY much like art < 1317411894 499937 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_(2012_video_game)? Looks like it's coming out next year. < 1317411909 348646 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Journey, the player takes the role of a robed figure in a desert. The game features no map or instructions, only a large mountain in the distance that the player journeys toward.[2] While traveling the player can encounter other players, one at a time, if they are playing online. Players cannot speak to each other, but can help each other in their journey or not as they wish.[3] Players met online will < 1317411909 485150 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : not be identified with a username and voice or text communication will not be possible with the other player." < 1317411910 972983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, guess I saw it demoed at a video from E3 then < 1317411912 133529 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This... is a game? < 1317411928 47869 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is literally no gameplay, it's like Second Life but without social interaction or customisation. So it's like... Zeroth Life. < 1317411943 418489 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hidden areas will contain tapestries and other clues as to the events leading up to the game, the story of which has not yet been announced." < 1317411948 446470 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope they just forgot to mention the gameplay part. < 1317411954 124270 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, it looks interesting, TbH. < 1317411965 930525 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gameplay: take one foot, put it in front of the other. < 1317411974 402604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, I'm not sure. Let me link to a quite humorous video review of the preview of it (not yogscast, but next best thing) < 1317411976 467736 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: Sure, but I'll wait for the reviews to come in before buying it. And also buying a playstation three I guess. :p < 1317411994 97607 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, I think it's basically a puzzle platformer with a lot of walking. < 1317412000 167741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj, Prince_Charles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFvbrk6UA84 < 1317412001 466539 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The only way players can communicate audibly with each other is with a wordless shout." Right. < 1317412004 841905 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram Launches Computable Document Format (CDF): Bring Documents to Life with the Power of Computation < 1317412005 673923 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1317412012 51052 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Morse. < 1317412012 770822 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh jesus < 1317412021 30169 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you can go and be all "AAAAAAA!" to others, but that's it? < 1317412029 899268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, just watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFvbrk6UA84 < 1317412030 147449 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfj: it sounds like those early 90s games where just being able to walk in 2.5D was amazing < 1317412034 51248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will explain nothing < 1317412047 899543 :cfj!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1317412051 569951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think I'm done with that nick. < 1317412051 980907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe a bit. Quite a nice art style to the game. < 1317412057 881363 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Can I watch it without sounds? < 1317412066 707064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You'll miss the aaaas. < 1317412070 325392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no < 1317412072 85919 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, it has the transcribe-audio button. < 1317412074 926066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is commented < 1317412076 929407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh dear. < 1317412082 768032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no idea how well that will work < 1317412088 581460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Terribly. < 1317412090 927923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1317412091 957863 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly it will work well: it always does. < 1317412092 599027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a comic relief button. < 1317412098 946097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1317412102 734013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right < 1317412110 489348 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cattle are still listed here here i cannot expertise thousand uh... eleven" < 1317412110 568115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ooh that jump was nice. < 1317412112 900336 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good start. < 1317412124 686845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, definitely NOT the right thing < 1317412136 429724 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1317412137 592985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG you rae made of cloth. < 1317412137 998930 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude you guys < 1317412138 892002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the best. < 1317412145 944324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: I am sorry but I am cloth now. < 1317412146 990628 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if there were a Harvest Moon MMO < 1317412156 544618 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could SIMULATE FARMING IN A SMALL TOWN with peopel. < 1317412168 675192 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it was mentioned in the SA Homestuck thread as basically being WV: The Game. < 1317412177 534894 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "flower uh... got rave reviews a vote seville truck figure out what exactly it" < 1317412180 942651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles, hahah < 1317412183 133245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: WV isn't: made of cloth. < 1317412195 344218 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, flower was another game mentioned, that is about it < 1317412195 823983 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, HOW DO WE KNOW < 1317412203 484353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: CARAPACES ARE NOT CLOTH < 1317412206 391502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY ARE HARD AND BLACK < 1317412216 821738 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "still it's a flower in the sense that it's more experienced the nanny" < 1317412221 35527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no < 1317412222 513394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just no < 1317412224 301762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Vorpal: "still it's a flower in the sense that it's more experienced the nanny" < 1317412229 638831 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :690) Vorpal: "still it's a flower in the sense that it's more experienced the nanny" < 1317412231 236753 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317412246 12370 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Journey seem slike it'll be pretty atmospheric, with some not-bad puzzles. < 1317412253 735287 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, WHAT IF IT'S JUST REALLY HARD CLOTH < 1317412258 373844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like the idea of, like, a single-player game that just happens to be MMO'd up. < 1317412267 75186 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see: demon's souls < 1317412267 339385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the Network Headache of game concepts. < 1317412274 999598 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sort of < 1317412276 625062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Sorry no Network Headache is DEFINITELY the better prior art here. < 1317412281 185776 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "talk to somebody father usage roaring in the south" < 1317412292 305575 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: demon's souls is the best though. < 1317412312 466201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, dude watch it later with sound on < 1317412313 292640 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :best console game anyways. < 1317412365 833495 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the video there's in fact some gameplay too. < 1317412414 819657 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes demon's souls different from most games is that it's actually /difficult/ < 1317412441 33140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: Where do they put on the Mayoral Sash. < 1317412446 128057 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, hm there are other difficult games. Plenty of them. < 1317412454 787999 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's what the scarf is. < 1317412456 482789 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes that's true. < 1317412473 295689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Dwarf Fortress, Nethack, ARMA, Red Orchestra to mention a few < 1317412484 6922 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: plenty is not most though. LEARN 2 AMBIGUOUS QUANTIFIER < 1317412488 396783 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, dude, DF is not all that hard. < 1317412492 413129 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even without danger rooms. < 1317412504 193770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles, hm true. nethack is however hard < 1317412511 27990 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: my old chat friend liked a 2d side scroller game i made once cos frankly it was insanely difficult < 1317412519 397771 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard reports of nethack being easy < 1317412525 218536 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't trust anyone!! < 1317412527 433724 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :demon's souls pretty much absolutely rapes you when you fail. < 1317412553 881219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1317412572 901059 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: imagine like, double dragon, except where an individual enemy has several minutes worth of hitpoints < 1317412575 567153 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but allows you to make up for it. basically you lose all of the xp you haven't used when you die, and you can get back by reaching the place where you died. < 1317412582 53113 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you die again then you lose all of those points. < 1317412585 460209 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, I think it's easy if you're good at it. < 1317412585 478204 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Final conclusions: "steria mileage may vary severely got to be extremely treat by audit" < 1317412602 816822 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this comment im making doesn't paint a good picture.. there werent that many enemies in it < 1317412609 156777 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: this is kind of like how Magicka is an easy game < 1317412613 913350 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then people say it's really difficult < 1317412617 935413 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is because they're bad at it. < 1317412620 174231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, .... no < 1317412631 439236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: NetHack is more annoying than difficult, though I'm totally biased as I'm terrible at it. < 1317412632 710997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, dude watch the video with sound < 1317412645 374720 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Naaaah, the captions were good enough. < 1317412645 392883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: Ask ais about how Crawl is even moreso. :p < 1317412663 475590 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is this continued bitterness over your lost save. < 1317412664 345484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ... totally inaccurate however < 1317412666 877529 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude what if < 1317412668 31959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: Definitely. < 1317412669 413934 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magicka df combo < 1317412673 743234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, Journey has a separate single player mode? :/ < 1317412679 512564 :kwertii!~kwertii@ip68-6-84-209.sb.sd.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317412684 480641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should just always have every other player there and you can't do anything about it. < 1317412703 499630 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, Toady did say that he didn't want D&D style cheap magic. < 1317412710 812358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles, most games are easy when you are good at them... In fact most things in life are. < 1317412719 238806 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you build a fortress while also fending off huge waves of enemies by combining elements to form spells. < 1317412729 466922 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: yes I agree that would be bad. < 1317412732 531154 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my old 2d game is named either runch or turbo fight.... and its hard < 1317412743 824020 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, ouch < 1317412746 162385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote my old 2d game is named either runch or turbo fight.... and its hard < 1317412748 356713 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :691) my old 2d game is named either runch or turbo fight.... and its hard < 1317412754 865089 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, he has said that if he implements it it'll basically only be an artefact status modifier or something similar. < 1317412762 792000 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a video of a scene or 2 of it < 1317412786 112501 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I like the idea of having an element system where the environment carries elements, and then to use magic you have to harness elements from your environment or something. < 1317412794 830214 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily in df just generally < 1317412798 484314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1317412798 502988 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :some complex generated world. < 1317412803 551531 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp3tRxe59sQ < 1317412818 334692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: this is beautiful. < 1317412825 692903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, btw worst game idea ever: Grand Theft Auto Augmented Reality Edition. < 1317412829 928733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: Dude watch that. < 1317412834 448014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Um what that is the best idea I have ever heard. < 1317412841 624539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, XD < 1317412850 575642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not kidding that would literally be the most fun. < 1317412850 713440 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1317412863 213206 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :duuude fighting on trains < 1317412866 295355 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i had the motivation and inspiration now that i had when i made that game (and video) < 1317412881 59 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it would be terminally dangerous < 1317412891 284273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OK by AR I basically interpreted you as meaning VR. < 1317412897 5386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no I meant AR < 1317412906 163399 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why does watching this remind me of SBAHJ < 1317412912 1957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, VR is actually a good idea < 1317412914 987802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AR is... not < 1317412917 840416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sorry I am too distracted by the awesomeness of VR Grand Theft Auto. < 1317412935 701075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is grand theft auto IV worth playing? < 1317412940 986755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1317412943 76719 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's not bad. < 1317412954 429664 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets old quickly unless I guess you actually do the story stuff < 1317412955 265186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to just watch people play GTA games in lieu of actually playing them. < 1317412956 311788 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I never did tha. < 1317412958 273818 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyhCuTUvUJw&feature=channel_video_title < 1317412960 993476 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, is this you < 1317412973 941406 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crap >.< (checks) < 1317412984 56018 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should have thought about this < 1317413014 650172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh < 1317413028 397953 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, no you are better than SgeoN1 by far. < 1317413035 736222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, don't you have to do a few story missions first at least? < 1317413036 259461 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1317413043 882725 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was in a strange mood when i made that video < 1317413043 900797 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not with cheat codes. < 1317413047 872406 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, maybe. < 1317413051 395460 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno I don't own it. < 1317413053 608141 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hair is longer now :D < 1317413077 6897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, and when did not owning games ever stop players playing them... < 1317413101 938849 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: playing from the beginning to figure out whether or not you need story missions before you can just mindlessly drive around with cheat codes and kill everything etc < 1317413103 460005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway GTA AR, is it bad? (As opposed to GTA VR which would be awesome) < 1317413103 945157 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, I can say with certainty that you look far more dignified than SgeoN1 as well. < 1317413126 386168 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in hindsight i didnt sound nearly as loud as i hoped with that video < 1317413129 277130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, as far as I understood you need to complete at least two missions to be able to use cheat codes < 1317413133 300607 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is the most digitalnitary. < 1317413146 720290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you use your in game phone to enter them and get that at the end of mission 2. < 1317413151 579348 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1317413191 168727 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do you own a PS3? < 1317413194 409596 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or emulator or some weirdness. < 1317413197 908546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, it was released for PC < 1317413200 926188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well < 1317413209 221840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, but no I don't own a PS3 < 1317413215 294530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do own a very awesome PC though < 1317413216 555295 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well no I was going to suggest playing demon's souls which I think is ps3 exclusive. < 1317413223 269738 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I think it came with some models? < 1317413230 81382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, I don't own any console in fact < 1317413264 708353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably get a console one of these days since I doubt the Linux gaming scene is going to be overly huge any time soon. < 1317413290 559935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dual booting is easy enough < 1317413300 93574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :use an old disk for windows < 1317413302 96976 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes play Magicka on Windows. < 1317413312 504354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but then I have to deal with Windows, and hardware incompatibilities. < 1317413313 190161 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there seems to be a new bundle out every day nowadays! < 1317413314 561340 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION got Windows 7 for free from his school. < 1317413325 416889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consoles nicely sidestep those. < 1317413334 839247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also come with a better controller. :p < 1317413337 742947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you have a proper PC instead of a flimsy laptop thingy you could just insert another SATA disk and install windows on that < 1317413342 298348 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 1) get ps3 b) play demon's souls < 1317413347 767382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: FSVO flimsy < 1317413363 416829 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :iii.) profit < 1317413363 969875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see you break a single moulded piece of aluminium < 1317413371 220740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fair enough < 1317413376 397251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, cramped laptop < 1317413376 802920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: But PS3s are ugly. < 1317413379 676894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't argue with that < 1317413390 818711 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is what I think about most when I'm playing video games. < 1317413393 474796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare PS2s, which are wonderful and flat and rectangular. < 1317413399 894496 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wow that computer box is an eyesore" < 1317413405 821805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Dude the PS3 has like the ugliest curve I have ever seen. < 1317413413 682421 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my slim ps2 has an official vertical stand < 1317413423 764509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have space for like 7 x 3.5" disks in my desktop. + 4 x 5.whatever" < 1317413433 908895 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay find get exbawks and supprot vondoes < 1317413453 194371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, 8 3.5", one of them has front side access (floppy, card reader or whatever) < 1317413457 286648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it looks like they made the PS3 less ugly. < 1317413463 29678 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PS3 controller (DualShock 3) plugs into a regular computer just fine, then you get a real controller. (All the other drawbacks still apply.) < 1317413466 443587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the last version can't run linux iirc < 1317413467 294362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we stop for a moment to admire the DualShock controllers again? They are like the best controllers. < 1317413470 607343 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: man i can't tell you how rare those vertical ps2 stands are in the stores < 1317413473 250689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A thing which I care about to no end. < 1317413480 938857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :/ < 1317413505 20308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not inclined to give Sony money because of their practices, but I don't really care about running a low-spec pointless unsupported buggy Linux machine. < 1317413505 288733 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ps2linux is fine. < 1317413506 426672 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'd like to see you break a single moulded piece of aluminium < 1317413512 217161 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aluminium isn't too strong? < 1317413514 139190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I prefer the original xbox controllers. Because of their nice size. They were kind of nice to hold compared to the small controllers of most other consoles < 1317413515 713383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: With your bare hands. < 1317413524 739086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: Or, say, OK, you can have a four storey drop. < 1317413530 577378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be enough to destroy most laptops easily. < 1317413532 29832 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly I like xbox 360 controllers the best. < 1317413539 312141 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ps2/ps3 is fine. < 1317413541 888284 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : CakeProphet: But PS3s are ugly. < 1317413551 369042 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they have such a progressive attitude towards DRM! < 1317413565 14656 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think playstation1 was the ultimate console, at least by the time I owned one they actually worked without breaking down < 1317413573 911335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PlayStation or psone < 1317413583 929853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PS One is the weirdest thing. < 1317413603 50344 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has some of the best games ever made < 1317413604 834570 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the N64 controller, it's the only one that has place for my third hand. < 1317413611 874335 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Souls now this thing is out which is like a kind of sequel to demon's souls < 1317413614 882885 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's awesome. < 1317413619 103859 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er will be out soon < 1317413619 777713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I prefer the N64 controller, it's the only one that has place for my third hand. < 1317413621 931162 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :692) I prefer the N64 controller, it's the only one that has place for my third hand. < 1317413635 387701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I might buy one of them Xboxes. < 1317413636 900409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xboxen,. < 1317413641 122169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,././ < 1317413643 828632 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ps3 play demon's souls < 1317413647 186734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Xbox_360_S.png < 1317413648 327398 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :xbox 360 is for chumps. < 1317413652 294308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What compelled them to pre-crumple the front? < 1317413652 459504 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ps1/n64/saturn era was basically the renaissance of gaming.... < 1317413653 920359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like < 1317413658 887332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they hire someone to punch a dent in the new Xboxen < 1317413662 878942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before sending them ou to stores < 1317413663 910468 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the best time to be a gamer, im glad i was a part of it < 1317413665 494380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :out < 1317413667 883364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that their design strategy < 1317413673 53733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles tell me that doesn't look like someone punched it hard < 1317413673 216281 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so that they'd be more resistant to kicks when they broke. < 1317413691 863453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I cannot buy a console that ugly I am sorry it just is beyond me. < 1317413697 702929 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're pre-kicked so all the kickedness is used up. < 1317413698 879003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the best non-crumpled console. < 1317413701 508382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: X-D < 1317413705 251207 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: fighting on trains is either a reference to final fantasy 6 or drunken master 2 < 1317413713 83823 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe the design helps with overheating which was a problem with earlier cases. < 1317413718 67306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Two of the greatest games of all time. < 1317413725 411177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Making things more cramped cools them? < 1317413733 465559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seventh generation video game consoles < 1317413733 602127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PlayStation 3 · Wii · Xbox 360 · Zeebo < 1317413735 193059 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :urmm.. the second was technically a non-interactive kung fu film < 1317413735 265330 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bottom looks wider to me than the original. < 1317413736 182282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the FUCK is a Zeebo? < 1317413749 585204 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ohh... video time o.o < 1317413758 998966 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey, a dent increases the surface area to volume ratio. < 1317413759 811429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, less space for the heat to build up in obviously < 1317413764 248869 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also notice the huge vent < 1317413766 765042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK a Zeebo looks like something which causes drama in the revision history to [[Template:Seventh generation game consoles]]. < 1317413774 507911 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not present on other models. < 1317413804 124715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zeebo sucks cock, does it real mexican. Zeebo will not work with our advanced internets why don't we just leave them in south amelica whele they berong!!! < 1317413804 299125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOWN WITH ZEEBO! DOWN WITH ZEEBO! DOWN WITH ZEEBO! Mr. Briney: ROAAAAARRR ZEEBO! Okay, srsly, ffs, keep the gd zeebo off 7th gen console list thingy. That is all. (A) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.24.202.197 (talk) 05:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC) < 1317413822 45875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convincing arguments: < 1317413822 398226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1317413822 813289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really doesn't matter. It's staying off the template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.152.244 (talk) 06:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC) < 1317413822 882520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with that kind of talk and continued vandalism warnings, you will wind up with your IP banned. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 18:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC) < 1317413822 900669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. really don't care, sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.152.244 (talk) 00:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC) < 1317413825 374033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1317413918 611098 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMFngT6Ie2c -- this is the sort of shit i used to get inspiration from when making fighting games < 1317413962 618902 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one day i will get inspired again < 1317413967 423329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the fun in fighting games, they just seem so booooring < 1317413970 41642 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :smash bros brawl = best fighting game < 1317413972 446376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no offence meant) < 1317413980 252782 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: exactly... < 1317413984 100510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you use a PS2/3 controller with an Xbox 360? :p < 1317413990 931964 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no brawl is in no way boring. < 1317414009 812217 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is CakeProphet being serious i can';t tell < 1317414024 192233 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I legitimately enjoy that game. < 1317414025 884716 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that video is fight scenes from one of my favorite films :D < 1317414038 753903 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm pretty sure USB HID devices don't normally work on the 360. < 1317414053 134637 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the voices are dubbed strangely < 1317414055 145571 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I recently played a bit that free Trackmania version; was browsing the Steam store. It is very obnoxious: it's all "you must invite a buddy to unlock this track" "you must challenge a friend via file to unlock this track" "you must have a buddy in your buddy list to unlock this track" "you must talk to a friend about Trackmania to unlock this track". < 1317414056 465402 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlike the PS3) < 1317414059 130460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But the Xbox controller is so ugley. < 1317414063 323732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, no sound atm. But it looks utterly silly < 1317414064 457888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And uneeoergoengorengomic. < 1317414069 665527 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahha < 1317414073 13167 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's discrimination against us friendless people is what it is. < 1317414092 591600 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: xbox 360 controller is quite ergonomic though. < 1317414107 530533 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dragon ball manga was inspired by this movie too < 1317414115 405998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Dude, I am a member of the cult of DualShock superiority. < 1317414119 592918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is trackmania a good game though? It is about non-dirty racing isn't it? < 1317414130 137597 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no I agree it's a good controller as well < 1317414130 205039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Fez is coming to Xbox. < 1317414132 10330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, no powerups or weapons or such < 1317414133 577657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's a point in Xbox's favour. < 1317414143 542654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Fez being=? < 1317414143 887414 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the 360 control is quite comfy. < 1317414145 897420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=// < 1317414154 917008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/17594 < 1317414156 587397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing. < 1317414165 85392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposedly coming out next year, after being in development since like forever. < 1317414178 93899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1317414178 205695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least they actually have new gameplay footage out recently so I guess it's not entirely vapourware. < 1317414184 556067 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a painting is a physical object complete in and of itself < 1317414187 602547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Stick with it for a few minutes before dismissing it < 1317414192 977846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no flash < 1317414193 546762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes a little while to reveal why it's interesting :P < 1317414198 314243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Your loss < 1317414202 541976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *shrug* < 1317414209 352183 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a painting consists of 2 components. the canvas and the paint < 1317414212 639500 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, yes, it's about non-dirty racing; but it's very cartoonish. Actually it reminds me of Stunts (except modernized) a little bit. (Not too much.) < 1317414233 334324 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of loops and long jumps and that sort of things. < 1317414237 90853 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an arcade game is a physical object complete in and of itself. it consists of hardware and software. < 1317414237 162349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I saw a video of trackmania 2, looked quite photorealistic, even if the tracks didn't < 1317414251 776349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :had loops and such < 1317414267 752740 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ping. < 1317414268 396546 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know about how the versions go; the current free one is "Trackmania Nations Forever" or something. < 1317414271 438254 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: why is smash bros not awesome? < 1317414278 827888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I see < 1317414283 320374 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried it out back before they added the "Forever" into it. < 1317414283 668195 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy is stupid and wrong end of. < 1317414293 671176 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in the long run, the idea of games built specifically for a specific piece of hardware will become fashionable again < 1317414296 456280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy never said it wasn't awesome did he < 1317414296 522987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1317414303 290324 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he asked if I was joking < 1317414303 348144 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He'd better not have. < 1317414304 891974 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they have a for-money Trackmania United, and something called Trackmania Canyon is advertised at the end of each session. < 1317414306 661268 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :after I talked about it being awesome. < 1317414313 68078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the forever part is a track with an infinite loop < 1317414321 12191 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sort of implies that he might not like it. < 1317414326 663810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think I saw a video of Trackmania 2 Canyon? Hm. < 1317414329 797872 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you will have master game developers who craft each game as an individual unit < 1317414340 712115 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, he might be one of those poor deluded souls who prefer Melee. < 1317414345 616768 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as a product to be manufactured < 1317414364 159642 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh yes; it looks very much more realistic. < 1317414370 108854 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so < 1317414376 65230 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we all just concur < 1317414376 273007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, newer game, not strange < 1317414377 688651 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: melee was the shit back in the day, but... brawl feels more balanced to me, and the physics are awesome. < 1317414384 994185 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.destructoid.com/elephant/ul/81863-trackmania-forever.jpg is what the old one looks like. < 1317414390 838309 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That either Brawl or Melee is the best. < 1317414391 361602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Please tell me you have been waiting impatiently for Fez for like a billion years too. < 1317414395 945351 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, oh yeah, I prefer Brawl. < 1317414397 14185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: GUESS WHAT I'VE NEVER PLAYED < 1317414398 174065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1317414402 763179 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's all in this "stadium"-style environment. < 1317414411 695834 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1317414423 691120 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the canyon one is... wait for it... in a canyon! < 1317414432 95444 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tweetmmo.com/wp-content/gallery/trackmania-nations-forever/trackmania-5.jpg <- another very illustrative bit. < 1317414436 650691 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, for one thing, airdodging isn't as cruel. < 1317414440 67699 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: my best character on brawl: Ness < 1317414444 638749 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, buy brawl omg we can have a party. < 1317414448 322482 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: yes airdodging is awesome this is why I'm good with NEss. < 1317414459 490313 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, I prefer Marth because come on swords. < 1317414461 117012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles, don't you mean Mario Party? < 1317414486 45536 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Steam wants to sell me Dungeon Siege 3 for 50% off. < 1317414494 556558 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, never heard of that game < 1317414495 918369 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, haven't played that < 1317414502 436117 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1317414502 455633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles, good for you < 1317414509 949323 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: I'm just best with Ness. I have a lot of characters I enjoy playing < 1317414511 671979 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's by SQUARE ENIX, but I think it's a bit more "action" than "RPG". < 1317414513 680609 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marth isn't one of them though. < 1317414518 240755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh. < 1317414529 778899 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :All functors in Haskell are strong. Does this have anything doing with cartesian closed? < 1317414530 71322 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: I'm pretty good with Ike actually. he's not a great character though. < 1317414534 422698 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, Marth is great because it's so easy. < 1317414534 493644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is Square Enix doing? NOT doing RPGs? Wtf. < 1317414550 148744 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's the third already; it's not a new thing. < 1317414553 372778 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of his attacks consist of "swing sword at person adjacent". < 1317414554 231380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1317414555 130179 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: he's pretty much the opposite of Ness. Ness = good in the air. Marth = good on the ground. < 1317414561 599431 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Based on images it looks like a glitzy Diablo. < 1317414567 821331 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, Marth is pretty good in the air, actually. < 1317414571 109238 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh god < 1317414583 206104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw I love some of the Square Enix SNES games. Mario RPG for example. < 1317414585 76258 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His attacks are all short range but they're pretty damn good, particularly his down one. < 1317414598 18047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, Square Enix made that, not Nintendo) < 1317414600 308839 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't actually played in ages, really. < 1317414609 509152 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: as far as characters like Marth I kind of prefer Rob because he has ridiculous ground reach + projectile + air mobility < 1317414639 636970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: pong < 1317414648 505145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Prince_Charles, don't you mean Mario Party? < 1317414651 241150 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Apparently of the sieges, III is the first one that's published by SQUARE ENIX, though. < 1317414652 454480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mario Party is like War: The Game. < 1317414657 584862 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what the hell is the topology in Surface Madk screwed it up so badly I don't even. < 1317414661 836971 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dude what if there were online Risk < 1317414666 568672 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we could all play Risk. < 1317414671 364924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1317414675 611631 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, ROB is pretty cool, although that's a given. < 1317414678 500695 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: There is, on X-Bit, which is now defunct, however. < 1317414693 512869 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it did have a Risk game (it was not called Risk though, but the rules are the same). < 1317414701 385861 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: same map < 1317414703 864770 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the map is important. < 1317414705 596352 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Seems that Obsidian wrote the game, and Square bought the franchise, or something like that. < 1317414707 391247 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, same map. < 1317414708 84465 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, that was a question. < 1317414741 689355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1317414742 312670 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: for a while I played as Ganondorf because he's the worst character in tournament rankings. < 1317414757 696333 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a Synchronet BBS, so there might be other Synchronet BBSes with the same game, possibly. < 1317414758 731134 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would beat experienced players with him. < 1317414768 380761 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, well yeah, but tournament rankings are completely orthogonal to mere mortal play. < 1317414781 122640 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that was the conclusion I was testing. < 1317414800 710364 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider that in Melee the tournament rankings were basically dictated by a couple of very tricky strategies. < 1317414811 248465 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite as much in Brawl but there are a few. < 1317414822 555851 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly involving stupid grab combos. < 1317414831 899278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm or was Mario RPG a Square game? Prior to merger? < 1317414837 993433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, it was < 1317414852 57782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: hm do i recall correctly that it's a square grid where on the north and south edges you switch to another column < 1317414855 322209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1317414860 852344 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I make a telnet service in my computer, it will also have accounts and I might allow users to add their own programs using a virtual machine. < 1317414870 822715 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, the good final fantasy. Square was awesome < 1317414877 130837 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually deal with people who grab a lot by jumping around a lot. In fact, hopping is my primary means of transportation when I'm playing Ness. I hop everywhere. < 1317414892 490257 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, east and west wrap the obvious way, but north and south wrap to themselves in a way which is probably best just to look up. < 1317414904 831289 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I played Legend of the Seven Stars a very small bit. < 1317414906 655260 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff4 was good.. the trouble was that i never would have figured that game out without the strategy guide < 1317414908 343565 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, grabs are just these things that are there to me. < 1317414924 333644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1317414937 260315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1317414937 428537 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1317414939 900833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: we have interwiki. < 1317414941 536206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, Square < 1317414942 25942 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you! take! we find! hey! is that for us! the chef's in a snit, trying to get food to the front lines. heard a spell to energize the sword takes immense evil! indeed! this thing. what you have? transform! this trading house. it's the kind! i've decided to stay with these humans! you're a traitor! you're not our king! but, we are far outnumbered! < 1317414959 492103 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with how I look? < 1317414962 263933 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i got to the final battle in secret of mana (i think) and lost miserably < 1317414968 659608 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: er, just there? < 1317414969 455150 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was basically that < 1317414976 224173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, it wasn't that hard once you knew what you were doing < 1317414984 581862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, anyway just reload the last save < 1317414985 114945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: also, you violated strong wiki policy. < 1317414985 288759 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a dragon right? < 1317414989 769525 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm? < 1317414995 910571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: Hm to which part? < 1317415000 96617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, no, a Mana Beast. But yes looks like a dragon kind of < 1317415002 847189 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strong wiki policy. < 1317415013 172808 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal.. ahahah.. the rental store i rented that game from is now out of business < 1317415026 61626 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.. reloading last save is well beyond the realms of possibility < 1317415029 270395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: You must not hide the "User:" from user page links. < 1317415029 909642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1317415036 802787 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how strange. < 1317415037 717470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixes. < 1317415065 669911 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do have zsnes and a secret of mana rom though < 1317415070 517488 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: I do think the tournament rankings reflect fairly accurate on the inherent imbalance in characters. Maybe not the exact a numerical ordering, but the "tiers" are pretty accurate. < 1317415073 12372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, keep the girl buffing the hero's sword (and healing and so on) and have him hit the beast, and have the spirit cast offensive spells. You need a few of those faire nuts that resupply your mana < 1317415075 317244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :43 - 0 = < 1317415077 634618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: The best spam protection. < 1317415084 133819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairy nuts* < 1317415090 704592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, forgot what buffs were best < 1317415094 191913 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: Ganondorf is probably defininitely the worst character to play as. < 1317415094 827939 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and i played it with my brother... we enjoyed it < 1317415102 528903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, hm < 1317415109 382753 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, I like the way he has a sword and never uses it. < 1317415122 898001 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 would be nice.. but i doubt many people can actually gather 3 people around a game for that long < 1317415128 841021 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Swords are the key to victory, this is a true fact.) < 1317415140 404887 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my strategy with Ganondorf is to rely on a well-timed warlock bunch or up-tilt... < 1317415152 581234 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the interim try to not die, with offensive focused on tilts. < 1317415157 899300 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He who lives by the sword, dies by the gun. < 1317415170 828401 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bunch/punch/ < 1317415175 283698 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, assuming someone else said that first. < 1317415195 169460 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah it was good bonding time < 1317415196 324280 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: Maybe someone did. I don't know. < 1317415204 150714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, mhm < 1317415212 738341 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But probably someone did. < 1317415213 129972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: He who lives by the pointy stick, dies by the pointy stick. < 1317415219 47323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The moral is pointy sticks hurt. < 1317415233 914240 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pointéd < 1317415250 916127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, BerliOS is shutting down < 1317415296 579366 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol-worthy? < 1317415302 101159 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that Oolite was hosted on BerliOS. < 1317415314 180049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: A bunch of 'em seem to be shutting down lately < 1317415319 488119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was it last time, SunSITE? < 1317415327 559140 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: I wonder what they were thinking when they designed Meta Knight. < 1317415329 424645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like hat < 1317415330 89717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1317415341 303275 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, they were thinking about what Kirby would be like if AWESOME. < 1317415381 162113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: Excuse me Kirby is the most awesome. < 1317415425 750300 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the change one byte of ROM data of Kirby Dreamland 1 for GameBoy in order to correct the scoring (it works regardless of extra mode and configuration mode), because the normal scoring is really badly designed. < 1317415443 488196 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sorry but Meta Knight is awesomer still. < 1317415452 954393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: OK no they are in positions of equal awesomeness. < 1317415471 922760 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: many of his attacks have literally milliseconds of lag. < 1317415472 991119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: He is trying way too hard OK. < 1317415473 563472 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But which is awesomer in terms of scoring? Possibly not. < 1317415487 546385 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, yes, I know. < 1317415495 731426 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: and he has a sword < 1317415498 53299 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so obviously he wins. < 1317415498 742923 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His downtilt is just insane. < 1317415513 169820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK stop it you guys are oppressing people like me with no friends. < 1317415526 453339 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Brawl has online play. < 1317415540 488102 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you believe the scoring is too bad the normal way of that game? < 1317415542 197690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: I DON'T HAVE FRIENDSHIP INTERNET < 1317415544 350354 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but it's laggy and terrible. < 1317415548 482766 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't play it online < 1317415550 428686 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :play it with friends. < 1317415557 655060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I can't imagine it'd work well online but OK LOOK THAT INVOLVES ME HAVING FRIENDS < 1317415558 113003 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I corrected it by changing an instruction from DEC to AND < 1317415560 368340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait I will kidnap Prince_Charles. < 1317415561 783128 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK OK Brawl party in Hexham y/n < 1317415564 118572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And force him to play SSB with me. < 1317415577 360546 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No second B? < 1317415596 360176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: IM NOT CLEVER OK < 1317415601 994757 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as Brawl players go, you'll find I'm simply the best there is. < 1317415602 418789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW MANY BS ARE EVEN ??// < 1317415646 667897 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main issue with Brawl online is that Wii networking tends to suck for some reason. < 1317415651 342032 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, yes, this is why you aren't invited. < 1317415668 259120 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was playing the game, all player decide random character for each individual game and play time mode. < 1317415675 951558 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :time mode is lame. < 1317415676 850423 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three minutes. < 1317415686 201213 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 stock is the best. < 1317415803 529077 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I played Mario Party game, I always used my own scoring rule instead of the one built-in. The money is your base score (fu), and each star doubles (han). < 1317415970 139865 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opinion is that many people do not know a lot of things about game design which is why I wrote an article about it in my gopher; and then people can agree/disagree/complain. < 1317415996 407738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only anyone used gopher. < 1317416035 605103 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible to view on HTTP too, but some features are omitted on the HTTP version, such as the ability to send comments. < 1317416039 804737 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels he would be a fairly good game designer. < 1317416045 793837 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :afterall I did invent portal chess. :> < 1317416056 565803 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Then please make up some game. < 1317416065 430214 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can invent chess game. Can you invent card game? < 1317416077 93802 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not really a fan of those. < 1317416085 789024 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could make a bitchin' text-based game. :) < 1317416092 964946 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitchin eh < 1317416100 68359 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yeah dawg < 1317416103 429292 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK please make up some text-based game < 1317416130 933595 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS PORTAL CHESS (MY MAGNUM OPUS) NOT ENOUGH? < 1317416159 279418 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't I just make the best chess variant and then retire? < 1317416180 577714 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can if you want to, but I think you can invented other thing too if you can < 1317416249 622350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Why do people like Trac. < 1317416337 291558 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why do people like Java? < 1317416342 832220 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they exist. < 1317416372 549894 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"java is good" gets more hits than "java is bad" QED < 1317416394 547450 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that make programming in Java a joy as compared to C++: < 1317416395 915589 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Inner classes and anonymous classes are cool. C++ doesn't have them, and that sucks big time. (Actually, I'd prefer anonymous functions, as most of the things I write in-place are implementations of one-function interfaces like Runnable.) < 1317416403 12313 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :best argument. < 1317416465 900896 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here are the things that make me curse Java designers on a daily basis: < 1317416467 377598 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. No support for types with value semantics. I frequently use iterators in my designs. And when I send an iterator into a function, I want to send a copy, not the iterator that I still own and want to use. < 1317416473 519716 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this person is bad. < 1317416477 269969 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like them. < 1317416589 362347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :value semantics < 1317416590 857488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it qwe < 1317416598 762225 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwe? < 1317416604 807865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwe < 1317416618 570304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how monqy hasn't talked since asking CakeProphet if he was joking. < 1317416618 746002 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that is. < 1317416638 892049 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1317416644 945179 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been looking someplace else < 1317416649 372353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ar eyou anti-smasehte brhrothieorngs < 1317416658 949261 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a fighting games fan < 1317416666 86823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like < 1317416669 721094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gighgting fames gan < 1317416674 632522 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1317416679 252328 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSB: the least fighting game like fighting game. < 1317416696 933281 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the best fighting game. < 1317416698 904529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: cutting and rearrangement suggests Surface topology is a Klein bottle. < 1317416707 725438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: omg.... < 1317416713 842057 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1317416715 117015 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fighting game I prefer is the card game Yomi < 1317416718 236983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful... < 1317416721 201317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote The fighting game I prefer is the card game Yomi < 1317416723 314093 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :693) The fighting game I prefer is the card game Yomi < 1317416787 565065 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given an infinitely large memory and instruction sphere, Surface is [[Turing-complete]] because it is possible to reproduce any [[brainfuck]] code. < 1317416790 751866 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infini < 1317416794 111917 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffft < 1317416795 546246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tely large < 1317416797 58141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :klein bottle < 1317416809 407805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: In fairness infinite spheres are like the best. < 1317416818 539237 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it even possible to be Turing complete without infinite memory? < 1317416821 669664 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way that he explicitly states mapping conditions < 1317416827 478299 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then allows for it to be infinite < 1317416831 135405 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, *wrapping < 1317416836 71491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: To be fair, so does Funge. < 1317416873 489204 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to think of how to emulate a Turing machine without infinite memory and....... < 1317416879 440744 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1317416882 476370 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats memory < 1317416886 787732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: dude. < 1317416902 548785 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :udueddd < 1317416928 372271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf the lagginess of this game. (GTA IV). It stutters BADLY. And I have high end hardware. Wtf < 1317416941 980769 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing you either have a really long explanation or you're just shocked and can't type. < 1317416948 931574 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you're searching for something. < 1317416978 737919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: *unbounded memory < 1317416993 696683 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you clarify the difference? < 1317417005 291515 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am trying to think of how to emulate a Turing machine without infinite memory and....... < 1317417013 866797 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define 'infinite memory'. < 1317417015 444053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a TM never used infinite memory at any given step < 1317417020 607349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*uses < 1317417029 886799 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yomi card is played each player has a deck of fifty-six cards, two of which are removed before the game starts (one of the removed cards is a rule quick reference card, the other specifies starting HP and global effects). < 1317417033 28039 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There need to be an infinite number of possible states of the entire system for it to be TC. < 1317417037 995867 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :still the memory it has available to it is unbounded... which is pretty much infinite right? < 1317417048 48787 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are ten decks to choose from. < 1317417064 610983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it doesn't need to be allocated up front though, which sometimes matters. < 1317417103 797069 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way I'm thinking of the same thing I just used a different possibly less accurate word. I don't think it's possible to be equivalent to unbounded memory in bounded memory. < 1317417108 637069 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats < 1317417109 539576 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory < 1317417112 236471 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah yes I suppose so. < 1317417122 988213 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can't remember. < 1317417132 477884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles is ignore me because < 1317417132 891631 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible in bounded memory of the memory cell values are unbounded. < 1317417133 94503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is < 1317417134 886893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil < 1317417158 618236 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah yes. < 1317417169 625659 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that just seems like a different kind of unbounded memory, perhaps. < 1317417186 418841 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, so then... < 1317417187 455411 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Prince_Charles is same as Phantom_Hoover because they even have same username and same host cloak < 1317417195 87507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh thanks for the info < 1317417203 987837 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could emulate brainfuck with three bignum cells, or something? < 1317417208 976695 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, genius detective. < 1317417259 138379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: bounded memory means, with the usual intuition, that your machine can only pass through a finite number of states, which means its halting problem can always be decided by another machine. < 1317417274 855278 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For his next trick, he will find Lord Lucan and show that he was responsible for the Mary Celeste. < 1317417292 234252 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Probably you can; you could have the boolean cells, you divide one in half and double the other adding the remainder of the other division < 1317417309 783251 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: couldn't I grow memory infinitely though? or am I misunderstanding "states" < 1317417346 742399 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1317417349 34596 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1317417357 86708 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread bounded as unbounded. :P < 1317417380 993909 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah that's neat. < 1317417437 642502 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how does a machine go about deciding the halting problem for a bounded memory machine? < 1317417512 849046 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also doesn't that imply that all real world machines have a decidable halting problem, since all real world machines have bounded memory? < 1317417570 806266 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can check by checking duplicate states < 1317417578 426053 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since there is a finite number of states < 1317417592 57875 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it require more memory than you have, to be able to do so. < 1317417610 684335 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. < 1317417622 526883 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes perfect sense.. < 1317417654 572998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yes. just emulate it for one more than the maximal number of steps, it must either repeat a state or halt. < 1317417683 234595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for real world machines this can still take eons of time. < 1317417686 200806 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that the machine can't statelessly insert a truly random bit of information in its memory < 1317417734 178150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: randomness only changes things by degrees, actually - your emulator can test _all_ possibilities. < 1317417752 474105 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1317417774 69933 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one of the possibilities terminates then the probability would increase towards 1 over time... right? < 1317417777 12620 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1317417779 157464 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1317417805 226362 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that the randomness is repeated... < 1317417823 822174 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er no nevermind. < 1317417838 467490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you can make all the probabilistic transitions into a large matrix and calculate its eigenvalue. it's the same as the proposed new scoring for bfjoust, really :P < 1317417846 837134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO new < 1317417856 263607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, or close to it. < 1317417878 775746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Given an infinitely large memory and instruction bottle" < 1317417879 236722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1317417879 906052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: :D < 1317417880 71392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but same matrix theory. < 1317417889 903478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinitely large memory and instrution bottle < 1317417977 447763 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_data_storage < 1317418015 696150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*maximal eigenvalue and its eigenvector < 1317418056 537755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm some of the same rare complications as for bfjoust might happen. but they're all solvable with a little more trickiness. < 1317418073 901430 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: thanks < 1317418182 400324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: Can you get people to start calling you PH irl. <-- also, start wearing a cape. < 1317418297 181070 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Prince_Charles: :D < 1317418304 387110 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to be like what but then I realised. < 1317418354 595828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : my name is unknown to anyone in the universe. <-- sure, mr. Adam Polite. < 1317418704 217535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "We can't implement this scheme in LLVM. We resort to post processing the assembly it produces." <-- the Evil Mangler has moved on? < 1317418724 369793 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/kwjks/assuming_that_highenergy_neutrinos_are/ < 1317418740 733930 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus christ I want to punch this guy. < 1317418744 989587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's now Haskell code apparently ;P < 1317418749 103934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/;P/:P/ < 1317418770 785363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: I downvoted him. :p < 1317418797 376344 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, good minion, soon we will control the past with neutrinos. < 1317418809 777851 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONLY NGEVD CAN STOP ME NOW AND I FENCE BETTER THAN HIM < 1317418814 3550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: You're about to get upvoted a billion times, thanks to future magic. < 1317418834 666900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: Oh my god we must never build an FTL neutrino receiver because as soon as we do it'll open the floodgates to the future nagging us. < 1317418836 548068 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay < 1317418849 235374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why haven't you come up with the obvious solution to global warming yet??? Haha, suckers!" < 1317418857 743826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Guys, you should really start working on jetpacks one of these days; you're running out of time." < 1317418871 929619 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We tell them to shut up, then they tell us that they're not going to shut up by turning the power up a billion times. < 1317418879 872757 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually, someone shoots the neutrino reflector. < 1317418889 883157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey I think you should impeach Obama and elect Ron Paul --EVERYONE EVER FROM THE FUTURE [message sent by unauthorised account RonPaul'sCryonicallyRevivedZombieGhostSkeleton3012]" < 1317418986 856738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: assuming relativity still holds, breaking causality would require two neutrino producers, one of which is bundled with a detector, and which are moving at relativistic speed wrt each other. < 1317419021 90646 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, actually, I think you could do it with only one. < 1317419029 62788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Assuming relativity still holds WHILE IT'S BEING COMPLETELY VIOLATED :P < 1317419068 311373 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use light for the outward leg, lulling causality into a false sense of security, then WHAM, neutrinos had hit you ten minutes ago. < 1317419079 188724 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/you/it/ < 1317419087 495788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: no, i don't think so. with just one, there would be no way to cause something to move backwards in its reference frame. < 1317419124 701212 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was based only on suspicion; I'll need to actually work it out. < 1317419132 340148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if there is any reference frame in which nothing goes backwards in time, causality isn't violated. < 1317419137 216246 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One moment please. < 1317419212 699342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: OK we need to know what you came up with, pls hurry up five seconds ago. < 1317419284 363654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: by "relativity still holds" i mean that all (sub-light) inertial reference frames still have equivalent physics < 1317419318 381850 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit Alpha let me solve this. < 1317419323 910804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is still consistent with tachyons as long as you ignore causality < 1317419342 761751 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1317419349 176123 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ignores causality on a daily basis. < 1317419387 348911 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so a Lorentz factor of 2 requires a velocity of .86c note to self. < 1317419420 817853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running this game from a god damn SSD yet I still get what seems to be loading lag spikes. WTH < 1317419437 211796 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit I should be able to calculate time taken for overtaking. < 1317419458 342534 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal discovers that GTA IV has terrible lag. < 1317419483 874434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, it is unplayably bad.... < 1317419498 792886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, as in impossible to drive. You get a lag spike ever second or so < 1317419501 77904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, wtf < 1317419509 841776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, is there any world around? < 1317419524 676635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You sure did buy GTA IV quickly in the like five seconds after CakeProphet told you it was good. < 1317419531 460859 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh duh, classical relative velocity < 1317419532 981790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, who said buy. < 1317419539 391051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm trying it out before. < 1317419540 215461 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I never mentioned it was good. < 1317419546 11501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: This is an IRC channel full of legitimacy. < 1317419554 652659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and well if it is like this: I'm going to uninstall it. Unplayable < 1317419556 241950 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that it wasn;t bad. I think. < 1317419575 643239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Core i7 with a high end Radeon GPU, And I'm running from an SSD. How can I get this kind of performance... < 1317419607 619330 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should really just play magicka because it's better. < 1317419660 229136 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, ... < 1317419688 612354 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK yeah this doesn't violate causality dammit. < 1317419690 840425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the piracy scene like for playstation vs xbox < 1317419690 917785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, I want some driving that is in an RPG or sandbox and that isn't just pickup trucks (that rules out Dead Island) < 1317419695 32053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :???? < 1317419708 645660 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sad < 1317419711 883842 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTA IV is not RPG-like as San Andres was. < 1317419719 679370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: OK what if < 1317419723 695217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: you made causality < 1317419725 102596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of < 1317419725 571910 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dragon Quest Auto < 1317419727 59428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdlkg < 1317419739 556972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Ahahaha. < 1317419744 214135 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what if you just ruled out time travel as unpossible < 1317419749 279282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokemon Theft Auto. < 1317419749 471771 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tthenwhwwt? < 1317419758 701641 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adgjkngd < 1317419759 770314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Then how do you explain the neutrinos < 1317419762 654792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : GTA IV is not RPG-like as San Andres was. <-- RPG OR SANDBOX I said < 1317419767 499470 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: differently :P < 1317419767 517314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is sandbox < 1317419774 478324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Are they going faster than light or not < 1317419779 947262 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume they are. < 1317419783 980488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t atanh < 1317419784 814698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Floating a) => a -> a < 1317419789 700530 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we measured them as faster. < 1317419798 750402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice... < 1317419809 896413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: Did you ever manage to explain to CakeProphet why FTL → time travel. < 1317419821 396286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> atanh (tanh (1/2) + tanh (1/2)) < 1317419822 204144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.617318958453862 < 1317419828 184709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1317419834 931841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tanh (atanh (1/2) + atanh (1/2)) < 1317419835 605500 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.8 < 1317419856 64974 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure there's not another plausible explanation? Maybe time dilation is different when you're going FTL < 1317419862 9307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> atanh (1.000025) < 1317419862 903235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1317419868 676292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: That... < 1317419877 777948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: YOU GET TO TALK TO CAKEPROPHET SO LUCKY A+++ < 1317419881 100062 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, well, since I have the numbers handy. < 1317419895 97195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that does not matter. we are only looking at the time dilation wrt ordinary sublight frames < 1317419905 35671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are _observing_ the neutrinos < 1317419907 88726 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're travelling at 0.86c relative to your friend, meaning that you see time moving half as fast for them. < 1317419959 484664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> atanh (1.000025) :: Complex Double < 1317419960 262940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5.6448972067895955 :+ (-1.5707963267948966) < 1317419976 318720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1317419992 972843 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 seconds in, you send a signal travelling at 2c to them, so they receive the signal after 7.6s from your perspective. < 1317420006 399271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smells branch selection problems < 1317420028 51446 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you see them moving half as fast, you will see their receiver flash after 7.6/2=3.8s. < 1317420048 175580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: I'm unconvinced CakeProphet is paying attention. < 1317420054 347378 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even care. < 1317420060 788032 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally am. < 1317420078 165211 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their receiver therefore flashes 8.8s into their flight. < 1317420110 650849 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I'm not making a concrete argument of any kind, other than that since we've measured something that seems to contradict our theories and possibly violates causality. < 1317420118 528209 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is an indication that something is in need of revision? < 1317420137 514398 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317420155 722126 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They repeat this, and as the system is symmetric between you and them, they see the exact same effect: your receiver flashes earlier into your trip than they were when they fired it. < 1317420179 593454 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You therefore receive the reply to a signal sent 10s in less than 8.8s in. < 1317420180 321214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tanh (atanh (1.000025) + atanh (1/2)) :: Complex Double < 1317420181 304784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0000083332638894 :+ (-1.0205347470509298e-21) < 1317420189 843414 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you see the paradox here. < 1317420190 354250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm seems to work < 1317420197 569785 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: so what if time dilation starts going backards once you go FTL. :> < 1317420206 754980 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I see it. < 1317420239 284089 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's because Lorentz transforms allow spacelike geodesics to move forwards or back in time with impunity for different observers, which screws things up, by my knowledge of relativity is far less solid than I'd like. < 1317420244 186024 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, doesn't matter. < 1317420276 823055 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that matters is that a signal fired in your reference frame can effect a change at a velocity greater than c. < 1317420330 901822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: sounds right to me < 1317420400 187552 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK r/AskScience idiot doesn't seem to realise that I was asking how causality violations could be empirically detected and has been acting snottily to me because he thinks he can show me up as a fool. < 1317420462 82743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occurs to me that the tanh / atanh method does not tell whether the time direction has been reversed < 1317420488 199081 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop flaunting the fact that you get to know more relativity than me I am very bitter. < 1317420503 836486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: I'll probably flamewar with him if he keeps talking because I like flamewars. < 1317420514 166780 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is the best at flamewars. < 1317420521 251539 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm the biggest fan of hyperbolic geometry ever! < 1317420544 372372 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, godspeed. < 1317420577 550773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got your back friend. < 1317421047 31829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm... < 1317421072 928737 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1317421118 163255 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1317421121 606987 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317421123 339348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tanh (atanh (1.000025) + atanh (-1.000025)) :: Complex Double < 1317421124 129317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (-1.0338396805309458e-12) :+ 0.0 < 1317421131 38758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tanh (atanh (1.000025) - atanh (-1.000025)) :: Complex Double < 1317421131 985490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.9999999996875079 :+ 7.653854787386644e-26 < 1317421200 967128 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1317421205 663549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tanh (atanh (1.000025) + atanh (-0.9999999997)) :: Complex Double < 1317421206 443018 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (-1.0000240005899963) :+ (-2.9392598432279782e-21) < 1317421280 45472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fizzie: Oi, I need zlib help. < 1317421281 23203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: my guess is that 0.9999999997 c is then the approximate speed needed for a neutrino producer that sends a neutrino backwards in time at 1.000024 c < 1317421307 733326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like the idea that we have to throw away relativity just for a tiny tiny tiny fraction FTL. < 1317421328 355908 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you're working with standard relativistic energy, yes? < 1317421329 254232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming 1.000025 c is the speed they go from a producer at 0 c < 1317421347 785436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: i'm just using velocity addition and the tanh trick < 1317421399 293453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let u <+> v = (u+v)/(1+u*v) in 1.000025 <+> 0.9999999997 -- more conventional formula < 1317421399 989538 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0000000000000038 < 1317421403 68763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1317421407 147339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1317421416 560323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let u <+> v = (u+v)/(1+u*v) in 1.000025 <+> (-0.9999999997) -- more conventional formula < 1317421417 505553 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1.000024000591981 < 1317421431 462600 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1317421439 847765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :withDeflateInput :: Deflate -> ByteString -> (IO (Maybe ByteString) -> IO a) -> IO a < 1317421441 709607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the worst api :( < 1317421487 402874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let u <+> v = (u+v)/(1+u*v) in 1.000025 <+> (-0.99) -- try something smaller... < 1317421488 205014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0049873436755818 < 1317421517 341679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let u <+> v = (u+v)/(1+u*v) in 1.000025 <+> (-0.9999) -- try something smaller... < 1317421518 200495 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.6666111129612653 < 1317421523 375507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let u <+> v = (u+v)/(1+u*v) in 1.000025 <+> (-0.99999) -- try something smaller... < 1317421524 128842 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -2.333372222851394 < 1317421531 500838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let u <+> v = (u+v)/(1+u*v) in 1.000025 <+> (-0.99995) -- try something smaller... < 1317421532 318675 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.9998500074916556 < 1317421537 72302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let u <+> v = (u+v)/(1+u*v) in 1.000025 <+> (-0.99997) -- try something smaller... < 1317421537 869204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10.998350247481781 < 1317421557 578883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let u <+> v = (u+v)/(1+u*v) in 1.000025 <+> (-0.99998) -- try something smaller... < 1317421558 414335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -9.000900090016856 < 1317421567 218746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let u <+> v = (u+v)/(1+u*v) in 1.000025 <+> (-0.999975) -- try something smaller... < 1317421568 61263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 79999.97916991221 < 1317421609 137323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that to give arbitrary high neutrino speed < 1317421620 925178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that big < 1317421697 206956 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no the worst api is: hahahaha :: (() -> ()) -> () < 1317421705 402197 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1317421715 343252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the experimental speed is quite a tiny excess above c, so it stands to reason that magnifying that would need near-c relative velocity < 1317421787 969620 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317421795 786627 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's awesome about my location < 1317421807 520749 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have this semi-fast-food chain called Zaxby's < 1317421811 226279 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's amazing. < 1317421812 344395 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1317421831 473430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So unique it has 500 locations. < 1317421850 497781 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/location/region of the united state/ < 1317421883 992649 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the few redeeming qualities of living the southeastern US < 1317421904 690515 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+in < 1317422201 625271 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if I ever leave Georgia there will be NO CHICK-FIL-A WHYYYYY < 1317422210 304895 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do we have all of the best chicken-based food chains. < 1317422216 698801 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, you won't be in Georgia any more. < 1317422257 699545 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll never understand the joys of well-made fried chicken. < 1317422271 861709 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with that attitude. < 1317422317 454213 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :As of September 2011, Chick-fil-A has 1,583 restaurants in 39 states and the District of Columbia, and is focusing on the Midwest and southern California.[ < 1317422323 299675 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nevermind their online store locator is just weird. < 1317422415 121450 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A#Religious_and_political_views < 1317422416 607532 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1317422424 287319 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that heading funny. < 1317422449 103081 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Chick-fil-a is a strong proponent of Christianity.) < 1317422456 871301 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"S. Truett Cathy is a devout Southern Baptist who has taught Sunday School since 19xx" < 1317422459 107220 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whodathunkit? < 1317422462 199826 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :19xx, best year. < 1317422507 780612 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: oh well... I was considering the irony of the fast food chain LITERALLY practicing a faith < 1317422510 910684 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... as an entity. < 1317422520 725568 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay you can interpret the normal way too that's fine. < 1317422614 997697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that it is important to note that, in December of 2010, the SPLC officially named AFA and FRC as hate groups. CFA affiliates with both of those organizations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.28.148.50 (talk) 01:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC) < 1317422615 159573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SPLC is nothing more than a highly-partisan, left-wing group that uses name calling as its weapon of choice against individuals and organizations that don't tow the PC line. They deliberately put mainstream groups with rather innocuous agendas in the same category as the KKK and neo-Nazis. "Hate group" in their little world is any group that opposes their hard-line leftist agenda. That an organizat < 1317422615 177375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion like this calls anybody "hateful" is not noteworthy. --AntigrandiosËTalk 14:55, 6 September 2011 (UTC) < 1317422673 853786 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What zlib what? (I'm almost slep.) < 1317422737 391582 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haven't really figured out what's bad about an agenda of tolerance. Can you explain? < 1317422758 132977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I a-fixed it. You should-a: come and see the Bugs Memorial Test Server. < 1317422760 453127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: r u srs < 1317422766 863930 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on while I look up these acronyms. < 1317422792 400690 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :southern poverty law center? :P < 1317422805 697943 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't a computer I slep, sorry. < 1317422817 456446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You a bet. < 1317422820 44589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad. < 1317422967 19963 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^-: < 1317422998 461678 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :%>$ < 1317423013 688166 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is practicing for the worst emoticon championship. < 1317423021 331395 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1317423149 239466 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, you're up against some pretty stiff competition, although tiffany does lack that certain je ne sans I don't remember what the phrase is actually. < 1317423171 657184 :tiffany!~tiffany@188.215.83.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :..? < 1317423229 70060 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o~o < 1317423239 969347 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-F < 1317423249 855894 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad my face isn't ..? < 1317423253 108009 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would probably hurt < 1317423286 67858 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :%>$ too < 1317423296 512624 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be dead < 1317423307 385308 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :") < 1317423336 677654 :tiffany!~tiffany@188.215.83.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1317423338 258096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@|< < 1317423338 463971 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ bf do ft id pl rc v wn < 1317423352 259876 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: stick figure < 1317423354 321089 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a big head. < 1317423361 473656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1317423370 866362 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :&_& < 1317423371 348126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the elephant man, to be precise < 1317423394 77792 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: come on, you can do better than that < 1317423410 246727 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :#_# pretty much any two symbols and an _ can look like a face to me. except the brackety ones. < 1317423435 185468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_) < 1317423438 513654 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)_) < 1317423445 583066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :)_( < 1317423451 442536 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!_! %_% *_* $_$ :_: '_' '_" < 1317423456 881915 :tiffany!~tiffany@188.215.83.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :|_| < 1317423470 875964 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cakeprophet_cakeprophet < 1317423482 364364 :tiffany!~tiffany@188.215.83.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t_t < 1317423482 698478 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :best emoticon in the world < 1317423489 906639 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy loses championshiwep < 1317423493 461140 :tiffany!~tiffany@188.215.83.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t(-_-t) < 1317423517 374476 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :?_! < 1317423517 576008 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ bf do ft id pl rc v wn < 1317423539 549157 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{_{ < 1317423556 863607 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. ,_. ;-; < 1317423559 10687 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :}_{ < 1317423570 635432 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`_` ~_~ < 1317423572 188047 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: _`: not found < 1317423574 38536 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : CakeProphet, you're up against some pretty stiff competition, although tiffany does lack that certain je ne sans I don't remember what the phrase is actually. // So you could say the phrase is something of a ... je ne sais quoi? X-P < 1317423584 668552 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1317423589 316186 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :___ < 1317423601 630203 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good phrase < 1317423606 450062 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to remember it < 1317423631 606971 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see: someone admiring a french expression. < 1317423645 628500 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5 < 1317423669 649480 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¯-¯ ¯_¯ -_- < 1317423684 160370 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¯0¯ < 1317423708 481742 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¯3¯ < 1317423742 795720 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_-_ < 1317423766 323018 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/?oneliner=100*sin(t)&rate=44100]100*sin(t) < 1317423769 626074 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful music. < 1317423786 130911 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me: http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/?oneliner=100*sin(t)&rate=44100 < 1317423803 952701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bemmu.com/music/index.html is better < 1317423845 888720 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> is bitshift I guess? < 1317424178 610866 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: huh I gave my link the same input as one from your site and it sounds completely different. < 1317424193 52496 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin(t/30) * ((t>>6|t>>4)&63&t>>2) + tan(t/30)/40 < 1317424193 465366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sample rate? < 1317424201 438538 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :44k < 1317424225 653260 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the sr of bemmu.com? it doesn't specify. < 1317424275 143766 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's 8000 < 1317424282 655120 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or close < 1317424288 795727 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives a similar sound when I select 8000 < 1317424324 365266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, see the video < 1317424338 208421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one you linked is just some lame derivative of http://www.bemmu.com/music/index.html with pointless sample rate selection :p < 1317424357 849012 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys want to start an EXPERIMENTAL PORGRAMIN BAND? < 1317424365 657283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1317424406 872295 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this video is pretty neato < 1317424422 999106 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitshift is neato. < 1317424874 664616 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitch ift. < 1317424926 685150 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1317424957 288616 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, Gregor make funny < 1317425015 592187 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tzec beat me to making a geometry based language ebcause I am lazy. < 1317425022 59403 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*because < 1317425039 241040 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :t*(t>>sin(t/31)+t>>14) * 100 is good < 1317425230 147796 :ive!~nn@189.179.248.38 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1317425441 50102 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, one-up him, make a general geometry-based language. < 1317425569 233690 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should make a programming language whose programs are weather forecast data. < 1317425603 474809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"general"? < 1317425739 713474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it's going to take the world by storm < 1317425764 584338 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit wiki let me see recent changes. < 1317425792 178942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince_Charles: append ? < 1317425837 406473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would that be necessary... < 1317425860 784736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome < 1317425862 899709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some bug in something < 1317425923 232380 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I need to ask it /if/ there have been recent changes. < 1317425944 577672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1317425953 610392 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1317425955 1658 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brains? Are people still making brainfuck derivatives..... < 1317425955 687639 :Prince_Charles!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1317425999 74301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck 3000 < 1317426082 669636 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's enough commands made for direvatives to make one that uses no commands from the original and stull be turing complete. < 1317426095 105493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1317426102 415215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are huge ones with like direct duplicates of brainfuck as different commands < 1317426124 636465 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the commands as in the caracters. < 1317426139 993402 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd need ot work a bit differently too. < 1317426190 487854 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, Brainscramble gives you three stacks, and there's one that gives you a grid of bits. < 1317426226 960183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1317426239 995858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think almost certainly < 1317426256 217360 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1317426263 817995 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hard part is going though all of them, since many aren't properly categorized. < 1317426269 120627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck minus brainfuck < 1317427192 358163 :kwertii!~kwertii@ip68-6-84-209.sb.sd.cox.net QUIT :Quit: kwertii