< 1313452802 601857 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: your examples still prove that your language is completely ambiguous, because composition and application have the exact same syntax, so LOL HAVE FUN WITH THAT < 1313452810 473871 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base/Control-Category.html < 1313452813 712826 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = { x, y => [x + y] }; f m = { y => [m + y] }; f m n = { => [m + n] }; < 1313452823 507241 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is this problematic? < 1313452826 966239 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed, there is an instance for Kleisli < 1313452828 925269 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just < 1313452835 625421 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Kleisli m a b = Kleisli { runKleisli :: a -> m b } < 1313452840 650928 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, an instance for (Monad m) => Kleisli m < 1313452915 969263 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Yes it is ambiguous it seem, to me, if you want to use higher order functions. < 1313452975 835995 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't see a difference between composition and application, except that application implies that the resulting composition is reducible. < 1313452985 814474 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda calculus does just fine with uniform syntax for them. < 1313452988 346640 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I suppose it is correct (>=>) and return do form a monoid < 1313452989 927952 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope this gets resolved, soon. I have a béchamel to deal with, and this is distractingly fun < 1313452997 336693 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: What, evincar? < 1313453006 304856 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :D < 1313453053 442538 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: I'm not interested in talking about this further with you. At least four people have told you you're completely wrong, and one of them is credited in the Haskell Report. The burden of proof is on you to prove that conflating two completely different concepts doesn't make your language utterly ambiguous but I for one am not really interested in hearing it. < 1313453071 671527 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose monqy might be credited in the Haskell Report too and I just don't know i < 1313453072 253451 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1313453073 990437 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO KNOWS............ < 1313453122 724183 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just like to know how ugly things will get when you have to (f . g . h) x < 1313453133 110117 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to be proven wrong or right unequivocally. < 1313453186 874054 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: You have been. You're just too stubborn and/or inexperienced to understand why/accept it. < 1313453206 594046 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or insightful. < 1313453216 175872 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lol'd
< 1313453227 991768 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, even I laughed at that one. < 1313453234 793518 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi im back now < 1313453237 394403 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did stuff happen < 1313453240 700287 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1313453247 798120 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Are you credited in the Haskell Report? < 1313453251 375865 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1313453254 270102 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, stuff happened in the Rube Goldberg Contraption sense. < 1313453259 580840 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Well, that's settled < 1313453267 746312 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He doesn't THINK so < 1313453281 250050 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think he'd know < 1313453283 642428 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which report should i look at < 1313453293 124242 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: "or insightful" are you serious < 1313453296 327229 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im even more done than i was before < 1313453308 365946 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't beat that two-punch of ego and ignorance < 1313453312 979099 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did bad happen < 1313453324 607912 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: did you do bad things < 1313453344 191600 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Well, I was joking that time. :P < 1313453377 605660 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Yes, tried to golf getting a rise out of elliott_. < 1313453381 604707 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it in two words. < 1313453384 826962 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: evincar suggests that function application and function composition are the same < 1313453392 346511 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: elliott_ politely disagrees < 1313453395 462658 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: he knows < 1313453396 824525 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO polite < 1313453399 588577 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, I mean < 1313453401 540706 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the discussion. < 1313453406 980188 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: And monqy was the first to disagree :P < 1313453412 307061 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then me, then oerjan, then oklopol < 1313453416 624860 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also me < 1313453418 394654 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I lost my patience < 1313453423 24748 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm sort of late in the game < 1313453427 522445 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to leave before I lost my patience < 1313453437 691394 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: so do you still really think they're the same? really? < 1313453448 780560 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: he just wants to be PROVEN WRONG OR RIGHT CONCLUSIVELY < 1313453460 89573 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the purposes of my language, there doesn't need to be a difference. < 1313453475 68891 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no application; only composition? < 1313453477 845697 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an example in lambda calculus would be appreciated. < 1313453488 967847 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no, [f g] just magically applies f to g and composes f with g at the same time. < 1313453495 591196 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: im confused < 1313453496 372330 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on which example evincar is trying to show possible at the time < 1313453496 631387 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, application is lazy. < 1313453516 684015 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: what does this have to do with anything < 1313453518 92 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might get confusing for everyone else using their language as their IRC arguments over the impossibility of the language will be interrupted by evincar trying to do the other thing < 1313453538 908684 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I guess is another reason not to use the language over its simple being impossible < 1313453553 55514 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could all just switch to math for clarity's sake < 1313453555 421427 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1313453566 568275 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: do you have any examples in your language so I can get an idea? < 1313453573 189269 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: or should I just logread < 1313453607 794375 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logreading would be as helpful as not. I'm getting lazy. < 1313453616 496017 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1313453637 602898 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if "getting lazy" is a synonym for "realising I'm wrong", does application in your language realise it's wrong < 1313453649 104733 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: as an example for how things can get really really messy, consider multi-argument functions; do you have any examples with them, or would you like me to give you something in lambdacalculus for you translate? < 1313453761 487 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: i am not sure whether it can work in your language, but lambda calculus most emphatically does _not_ merge application and composition < 1313453785 742207 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting lazy is a synonym for watching a movie, actually. < 1313453794 942209 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how oerjan tries to use diplomatic statements to avoid getting into arguments < 1313453817 212752 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But essentially if you want a value, you give enough arguments to the function. < 1313453827 37442 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1313453827 321021 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: but i really am not sure. i know it doesn't work if you use the same mental model as for haskell/LC, but that's not a proof. < 1313453827 896876 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a function, you don't. < 1313453837 122397 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Is there any form of compostion in lambda calculus other than the obvious \f g x-> f (g x)? < 1313453853 383875 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA "Haskell's (.)" < 1313453857 323021 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: we all know what partial application is < 1313453868 176619 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: so a question arises. what does the wii do with it's virtual console system < 1313453877 295930 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well there are of course versions for other argument numbers... < 1313453880 158691 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know this couldn't be any more off topic though < 1313453888 323679 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, yes. But you know what I mean. The general concept. < 1313453892 4893 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Inaccurate emulation, presumably, perhaps with game-specific patches < 1313453901 778226 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where you are just... Doing it as you would anywhere else. < 1313453902 442651 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess it works in a concatenative language < 1313453906 293559 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO composition, application < 1313453920 865955 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apply f to x: x f; compose f with g: g f < 1313453921 253362 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1313453926 484891 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That only works because "9" is used specially < 1313453931 235129 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 is basically a function pushing 9 < 1313453936 919541 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that doesn't apply to evincar's language at all < 1313453944 751921 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Composition is done through partial application. If you have (f + g), you get a function taking x and y that returns ([f x] + [g y]). < 1313454019 423728 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how about we all collectively stop trying to convince evincar he's wrong as that's impossible and talk about something interesting like............. < 1313454021 131213 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: so in your notation, [] is application, and () is something else? < 1313454021 879160 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1313454022 759454 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like itidus20: ramble plz < 1313454066 490906 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: [] is message-passing (application in the case of functions) and () is infix shorthand which is converted to message-passing internally. < 1313454083 609345 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might swap those in the future, depending on what looks good. < 1313454090 622735 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's neither here nor there. < 1313454102 770299 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: im waiting < 1313454113 316907 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: infix shorthand? < 1313454122 287277 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: I also noticed that in your example, there's a bit of weirdness < 1313454123 450669 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I make a function h = ((f+g) x)? < 1313454130 648080 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@evincar: < 1313454131 231427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1313454145 233997 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, message passing. So, it doesn't actually have functions, I guess? Only messages? < 1313454146 429012 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the SNES effectively does things at the rate of it's oscillator < 1313454147 914331 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It's just sugar providing some infix operators for convenience. < 1313454162 245415 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: So, instance (Num a) => (a -> a) where f + g = \x y->(f x) + (g y) -- I think that's stupid. < 1313454169 780317 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: the thing it returns has parentheses, so if you applied the same rule, wouldn't you get something like \abxy.([[f x] a] + [[g y] b]) < 1313454197 214352 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: that's a good instance < 1313454197 547056 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: repeat until dead < 1313454200 126742 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not what he's saying at all < 1313454204 664979 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but um itidus20 itidus20 itidus20 < 1313454207 23640 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (sin + cos) 1 < 1313454207 904038 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.3817732906760363 < 1313454207 988182 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: oklopol: have you met < 1313454232 407775 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1313454235 238366 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: um wait it's not the same < 1313454235 737343 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: I think you may need a more consistent notation if you want to make a lick of sense < 1313454240 595829 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many id's staring with an o < 1313454273 409214 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh right... well w/e < 1313454285 904734 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just ignoring evincar at this point because hes being even more incoherent than before < 1313454292 753137 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: He's saying it happens implicitly. < 1313454295 541581 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1313454297 959303 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: no < 1313454305 461467 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell for sure, because his notation makes negative sense. < 1313454305 627791 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's saying that application is composition. < 1313454311 989808 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just let elliott_ talk for me and be wrong. < 1313454314 165764 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the logs if you want to continue this, i suggest you don't < 1313454318 790248 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more entertaining than defending myself. < 1313454343 487384 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Um, application is no more composition than application is a cat. < 1313454352 104140 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are talking nonsense, stop it. < 1313454367 255297 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: YES THAT WILL WORK WE'VE ONLY BEEN ARGUING WITH HIM FOR LIKE AN HOUR < 1313454374 290861 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yelling at him to stop is definitely productive < 1313454395 221136 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too amusing when you argue. < 1313454407 388791 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I'm going to keep at it. < 1313454417 286085 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smugness is a known cure for being completely wrong < 1313454430 431313 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And cancer < 1313454444 85281 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION specializes in ambiguous addenda
< 1313454446 483532 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad. You're reading more into my tone than is there. < 1313454467 810437 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would actually like to know if something I've thought up doesn't work. < 1313454486 768799 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all I've gotten is noise, because we're not understanding each other. < 1313454500 715121 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: could you please make a better notation? < 1313454516 292009 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: When you say "Colorless green dreams sleep furiously", don't be surprised when people don't understand you. < 1313454521 149843 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impotence mismatch < 1313454543 429567 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm chalking it up to the fact that all unfamiliar syntax is opaque. < 1313454545 869458 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Apply f to x. What is your result? < 1313454572 743665 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: it's actually that it's inconsistent < 1313454576 914160 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Clearly a superposition of states. < 1313454578 723432 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain old math notation < 1313454586 837900 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: That depends on the types of f and x. If f is a function, and its arity is 1, you get the result of applying f to x. If its arity is greater, you get another function, with x fixed in f. < 1313454598 205613 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: No. It doesn't. Shut up < 1313454602 488547 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is f(x) < 1313454603 11371 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they're both values, you get the result of passing the message x to the value f. < 1313454619 887379 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1313454621 6259 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... Functions aren't values? < 1313454622 168470 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame. < 1313454624 165468 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what won't make him shut up < 1313454628 289872 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TALKING TO HIM ABOUT IT < 1313454629 40218 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: um that's the essential thing his language does. stop insulting. < 1313454643 825224 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :his lamguage suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks < 1313454643 934730 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_-_ < 1313454663 832086 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is whether this breaks down with higher-order functions, but no one has yet given an example which _clearly_ breaks < 1313454663 997229 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're as much values as they aren't. You can still write higher-order functions. < 1313454693 799733 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: does this make sense to you < 1313454705 559900 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< oerjan> the question is whether this breaks down with higher-order functions, but no one has yet given an example < 1313454716 306918 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was coming to a point, LI5, but now I'm late, so I have to go. :P < 1313454724 88586 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that. < 1313454736 317219 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: how about writing a fixed-point combinator < 1313454736 389757 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you need more than one level deep functions < 1313454738 668492 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: that's a fun one < 1313454776 960932 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the question is whether this breaks down with higher-order functions, but no one has yet given an example which _clearly_ breaks < 1313454779 141973 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my example did < 1313454781 710072 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: bechamel < 1313454785 621925 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :g f = f 0 + f 9 < 1313454798 816018 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[g f] is meant to be \... -> g (f ...), according to his compose definition < 1313454801 565546 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: my suggestion is to look at [[foldr f] 0]. < 1313454804 776662 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently [g f] is actually (f 0 + f 9) < 1313454811 57280 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite the fact that [compose g f] is still \... -> g (f ...) < 1313454814 931358 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to direct statements made by him < 1313454816 552209 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :contradiction < 1313454821 796738 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he will of course not acknowledge this counterexample. < 1313454849 251951 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: no it did not. you are simply not approaching this with a mind of trying to understand what he means. < 1313454876 946602 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I never established an equivalence between any of my notation and lambda notation. < 1313454880 95020 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are approaching this with a mind of refusing any answer he gives that doesn't fit your exact prejudices. < 1313454880 294253 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was, to start with < 1313454890 266344 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm not approaching it any more < 1313454907 769809 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave up when he started saying "CONCLUSIVELY PROVE OR DISPROVE IT" after I gave him a counterexample < 1313454912 169023 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless _you_ can explain how the above works? < 1313454938 480428 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: anyway, [[foldr f] 0], the question is whether f should be applied to 0 or not. < 1313455031 24483 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Uh, foldr f z = z, no matter which way you cut it. < 1313455040 621388 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what syntax you put it in. < 1313455053 526321 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: um no. < 1313455082 899778 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok i give up. < 1313455095 997534 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1313455097 348210 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think _that_, there really is no common ground. < 1313455098 473886 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has evincar used foldr < 1313455107 469732 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: do you perhaps mean foldr f z _ = z < 1313455113 845396 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you really that hilarious < 1313455140 547979 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next up on evincar: "what's the difference between x and (const x), my language has no need for that" < 1313455191 168415 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yes, alright, so I omitted the other argument. < 1313455229 183542 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: even with the other argument, what you said didn't really make sense < 1313455240 755958 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: the question is if your language allows it to work properly < 1313455257 128819 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: not whether it should work properly < 1313455274 499292 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you give up < 1313455277 984027 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he doesn't think _that_ < 1313455279 809862 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's common ground < 1313455285 379388 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so dont worry everything will be fine ;( < 1313455298 280617 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm giving up anyhow. < 1313455318 390972 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really want to know what evincar is thinking, how his language works. is this bad :( < 1313455324 420476 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm getting a really bad vibe from this. < 1313455352 825621 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let him implement it and then you can see. < 1313455368 979226 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think I want to read the code of a man who thinks _these_ things? < 1313455380 175679 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In answer to your question, [[foldr f] 0] is a function that can be applied to a list and yields what you'd expect from foldr. < 1313455432 551547 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: could you describe how evaluation of that expression works? < 1313455480 6812 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: foldr is a function. f is then fixed as the first argument of that function, yielding another function [foldr f]. < 1313455505 718879 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Then 0 is fixed as the first free argument of that function, yielding the final function corresponding to [foldr f 0]. < 1313455565 648340 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereupon further arguments are expected as a list. When those are supplied, the whole expression yields a value. < 1313455581 656606 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1313455592 136503 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that sane i not know help < 1313455596 685422 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313455622 70430 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is normal application, right? where does your fancy composition stuff come in? < 1313455625 279371 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: our gimmick < 1313455628 954328 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get yer hands off < 1313455704 373203 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: now the twist: f happens to be a three argument function, not two. and the list is empty. < 1313455775 642670 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does [[foldr f 0 empty-list] 0] do? and how does that compare to [foldr f 0 not-empty-list]? < 1313455835 587183 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it become [foldr [f 0] 0 empty-list]? < 1313455872 238135 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: With an empty list, it ought to return 0 regardless. < 1313455883 983302 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a non-empty list, it depends on how well foldr is written. < 1313455892 486084 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might get a list of unary functions. < 1313455910 419160 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. < 1313455917 344245 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay oerjan < 1313455918 405013 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you tried < 1313455923 954420 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1313455927 741066 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1313455931 458951 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1313455951 107531 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems somewhat unhygienic, in the scheme vs. CL macro sense. < 1313455954 429037 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313455965 839184 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: and trying is half the battle. < 1313456037 66367 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: "how well foldr is written"? If it behaves incorrectly, it's incorrect. < 1313456054 232165 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOME FOLDRS ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS < 1313456076 434491 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making reference to the presumably poorly written one I gave earlier. < 1313456076 506468 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :two arguments bad. four arguments better! < 1313456078 245721 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: My hunch is that [compose f g] will not do what it claims to if f is higher-order < 1313456090 342903 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if this language is indeed not _totally_ ambiguous) < 1313456096 834336 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., it will intsead apply f to g. < 1313456104 81560 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not interested in hearing counterarguments to this, evincar) < 1313456112 498275 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing df is more fun < 1313456123 359823 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it's going to depend immensely on internal implementation. < 1313456125 23568 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: by the way your dorf died............. < 1313456128 465370 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now your new dorf exists :DDD < 1313456133 170887 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard. < 1313456137 890549 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'oerjan II' Regmidor, Carpenter: "'oerjan II' Glovedpowers" < 1313456138 614272 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the former. < 1313456141 424017 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1313456143 820433 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you are a female........ < 1313456150 199160 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i still exist < 1313456152 223141 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i still female < 1313456154 841376 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a proficient conversationalists < 1313456156 824729 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said that < 1313456159 808956 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes good old monqy still exists < 1313456160 687366 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what < 1313456223 19686 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok to get a better idea i'm now going to read logs (wish luck) < 1313456233 236621 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: this _really_ gives me the same kind of vibe as unhygienic macros, where things get evaluated in the wrong place unless you're a master... < 1313456265 828982 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's really not that bad. Text is definitely not my best medium. < 1313456272 143677 :twice11!~twice11@lenny32.physik.fu-berlin.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313456299 390225 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg lambdabot @messages < 1313456368 840669 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: :D < 1313456370 401525 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try PRIVMSG < 1313456394 606864 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: someone said "do i still exist" < 1313456403 13387 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does zzoclient respond to ctcp i want to know if i should version it < 1313456410 156739 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an eerie, ghostly voice < 1313456419 602948 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was i < 1313456421 428366 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking ghostly < 1313456426 801281 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um really? < 1313456427 583847 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it was again < 1313456427 917990 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: irl? < 1313456429 984745 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It does respond to VERSION although that can be turned off < 1313456436 91332 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: no, on the channel < 1313456444 83999 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? < 1313456451 769380 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :< 1313456150 199160 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i still exist < 1313456452 270790 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now there is this strange *WHOOSH* sound... < 1313456455 660855 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1313456458 486277 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a stupids < 1313456468 519749 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also stop i have a stupid fear of ghosts :D < 1313456471 997567 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it responds even if the command is given inside of other messages < 1313456478 448438 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. also, BOO! < 1313456495 294189 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :once i told a scientologist, before i realised they were a scientologists, that i had a fear of aliens (i don't have a fear of aliens any more) < 1313456511 81383 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when i realised i was like SHIT THEY PROBABLY HAD ME MARKED AS AN EASY RECRUIT < 1313456518 978831 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ALREADY HAVE THE LATENT FEAR OF XENU................. < 1313456532 957887 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool story time with elliott < 1313456602 227291 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: OH MY GOD YOU ARE THE WORST FURNACE OPERATOR SHUT HTE FCUFCKL UP < 1313456605 789208 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: that's not so bad. now if you start being afraid of volcanoes and nuclear bombs... _that_ would be just irrational. < 1313456647 692801 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did oklopol do < 1313456662 602103 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE KEEPS CANCELLING THE ADAMANTINE WAFER JOB BECUASE HE NEDES REFINED COAL < 1313456664 496731 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUESS WHAT IM FUCKING MAKING < 1313456666 67278 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :REFINED COAL < 1313456668 520028 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT THE FUCK UP STOP TELLING ME < 1313456669 533119 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST < 1313456670 205353 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO < 1313456671 567749 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRINK < 1313456672 486880 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR SOMETHING < 1313456674 13940 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THATS ALL DORFS FO < 1313456675 403546 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPODSSPDGJDFIGKJGLK < 1313456680 695112 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313456735 53261 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugaudhflogadgh < 1313456903 41181 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229161020.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313456935 879538 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simplename < 1313456941 985144 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAISIOOEAAYAIOLEI. < 1313456956 659182 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1313457016 649137 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Our fortunes rise and fall together." is such a great line < 1313457017 814300 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolls off the tounge < 1313457025 845403 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's straight out of a SERIOUS FANTASY MOVIE < 1313457046 874781 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is the last thing the dwarven ambassador says to you before they leave) < 1313457878 556617 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKLOPOL AGSALFIKOD, FURNACE OPERATOR CNACELS MAKE ADAMANTINE WAFERS: NEEDS REFINED COAL < 1313457878 806452 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKLOPOL AGSALFIKOD, FURNACE OPERATOR CNACELS MAKE ADAMANTINE WAFERS: NEEDS REFINED COAL < 1313457879 305411 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKLOPOL AGSALFIKOD, FURNACE OPERATOR CNACELS MAKE ADAMANTINE WAFERS: NEEDS REFINED COAL < 1313457879 482334 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKLOPOL AGSALFIKOD, FURNACE OPERATOR CNACELS MAKE ADAMANTINE WAFERS: NEEDS REFINED COAL < 1313457879 982108 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKLOPOL AGSALFIKOD, FURNACE OPERATOR CNACELS MAKE ADAMANTINE WAFERS: NEEDS REFINED COAL < 1313457880 226587 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKLOPOL AGSALFIKOD, FURNACE OPERATOR CNACELS MAKE ADAMANTINE WAFERS: NEEDS REFINED COAL < 1313457881 345810 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKLOPOL AGSALFIKOD, FURNACE OPERATOR CNACELS MAKE ADAMANTINE WAFERS: NEEDS REFINED COAL < 1313457887 358611 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's not keyboardbash, his surname is really Agsalfikod) < 1313457909 899980 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :agsalfikod < 1313458091 27226 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1313458206 246141 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cnacel is a luvvely dworf verb, ye ken < 1313458238 661786 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dorf < 1313458267 386937 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im cnackers < 1313458268 818373 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im cnackered < 1313458291 150272 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :great dorf king cnute < 1313458329 736001 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cnack, snapple and dorf < 1313458540 522265 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://ompldr.org/vOXgwYg hi do you likemy bedroom in progress < 1313458551 923720 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours is probably one of the Æ/pi/capital theta arrangements seen above < 1313458573 498919 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those weird inverted floor titles are all engravings < 1313458576 856131 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of them masterpieces < 1313458594 805070 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i am saying is ha ha ha my bedroom rocks < 1313458691 21145 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your bedroom hurts my eyes < 1313458699 57414 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: which part of it........... < 1313458704 461417 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the engravings or the non-engraved parts........ < 1313458706 980111 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drwf fortes part.. < 1313458720 741174 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is kind of an eyesore < 1313458730 193456 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole game I mean :( < 1313458735 899750 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tilesets help help < 1313458750 709917 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it better after getting used to it < 1313458770 101333 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yeah it gets better < 1313458775 105422 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i mean you see that mess of , . ` '? < 1313458780 784450 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that all becomes the +s if you smooth the flaw < 1313458783 436727 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1313458783 683227 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that all becomes the +s if you smooth the floor < 1313458789 176554 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which im doing < 1313458792 298290 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the engravings make it uglier but you can make those hidden < 1313458802 567333 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it multiplayer? i can't quite figure out exactly what you guys are doing with df from listening to it in here < 1313458812 708121 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: we're each doing a year of the fortress, then passing it on to the next person < 1313458814 857223 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, two years now < 1313458819 944656 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh cool < 1313458821 352315 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: basically, the "prettier" and pictographic your tileset gets, the harder it is to scan at a glance < 1313458838 419950 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: with roguelikes, this is less of a problem, since you don't care much about things beyond a small area around you < 1313458845 363269 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with DF, you're focussing on hundreds if not thousands of tiles at once < 1313458851 630774 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more of a surveying type situation < 1313458852 381825 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with roguelikes I tend to prefer ascii < 1313458866 906137 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I understand the problem yes < 1313458906 116200 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vOXgwZA < 1313458915 287394 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tiles here are distinct enough that I can easily locate all the trees, or all the plants, by eye < 1313458922 337208 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it were graphical in any way, I'd see an awful lot less < 1313458934 383483 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: If you want, you can go, say, before me next time < 1313458950 688101 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be like a week or a week and a half, so enough time to learn the game well enough < 1313458955 858607 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1313458959 685514 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might try < 1313458989 303687 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quickstart is really detailed < 1313459016 218558 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Also you get to construct a grand bedroom for yourself. < 1313459027 312308 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1313459029 185885 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH started it, then I started making my bedroom, then Taneb massively one-upped me, so now I'm doing this. < 1313459034 987491 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might just make a nice small one < 1313459043 328814 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if you have a bedroom < 1313459049 189252 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We just stopped building them early on and nobody's complained yet < 1313459051 476105 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone's really happy < 1313459056 518668 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably do I guess < 1313459059 113791 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being one of the first dorfs < 1313459134 871040 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You could also just go for a year rather than two :-P < 1313459148 883253 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually pretty hard to kill the fortress at this point < 1313459160 22836 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if i like it and have unfinished business i will go for two < 1313459165 101053 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digging into the river is the easiest way, followed by breaking into the adamantine vein containing the shaft to hell < 1313459170 475178 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Sure < 1313459177 166694 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I was more thinking as far as difficulty went < 1313459190 479101 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A year is, like, four consecutive hours of play or something < 1313459192 821804 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i totally die in first year i will hand it off < 1313459193 347102 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno exactly but < 1313459202 307431 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: If you totally die, the fortress dies :P < 1313459209 278794 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But like I said, it's hard to kill the fort at this point < 1313459216 278445 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The traps are good at getting invaders < 1313459248 992675 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you dug a few blocks towards the river in the huge underground dirt room and then did nothing the whole fortress would be flooded and everyone would drown, and if you broke the adamantine leading to hell then ... well, all hell would break lose and everyone would die < 1313459251 865882 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But apart from that we're pretty secure < 1313459269 859462 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i avoid these < 1313459311 532245 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: They won't happen unless you make them -- OK we're out of meat. < 1313459321 627830 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear < 1313459323 781506 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have one hundred drink < 1313459329 944242 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :T-Pain to the rescue! < 1313459331 272741 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :party < 1313459343 51874 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes our brewer is called T-Pain.) < 1313459347 173298 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i know which vein is the bad one what if the dwarfs say they want adamantine < 1313459359 55106 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: We have loads of adamantine stocks < 1313459374 545439 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't need to, basically < 1313459381 580374 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know < 1313459419 379556 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, plan to get four minutes of acoustic guitar stuck in your head < 1313459430 649395 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Dwarf Fortress soundtrack would have one track on it :P < 1313459467 373283 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1313459496 752528 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6FXeupOp04 :-P < 1313459517 719632 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it though, especially when there's a massive siege going on and the music is just going on like usual < 1313459611 746830 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, someone might rampage pretty soon, we're out of food and almost out of drink < 1313459621 921950 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deary me < 1313460411 758122 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1313460519 83935 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear < 1313460650 787888 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idd it hapen < 1313460691 242091 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're just out of things to brew < 1313460698 384206 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck this, I'm saving it and coming back to it tomorrow < 1313460880 978622 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Dreadful Dorf Drought Disaster < 1313461753 865120 :sut-heb!sut-heb@c-68-39-116-188.hsd1.nj.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313462072 832196 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sut-heb: hi < 1313463413 663918 :ttm_!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1313463610 302811 :Guest85983!~whynow@207.204.228.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1313463629 197771 :Guest85983!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello room < 1313463668 575053 :Guest85983!~whynow@207.204.228.165 NICK :Pianoo < 1313463675 913521 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1313463695 56227 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm ... better than 123mya** < 1313463724 898829 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for the footnote to that **
< 1313463737 296538 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric programming? Sounds interesting but what is it? < 1313463737 797318 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianoo: hi, this is a channel about esoteric programming languages < 1313463742 988468 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://esolangs.org/wiki/ for more information :P < 1313463762 277369 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianoo: if you've heard of brainfuck, INTERCAL, or Befunge... < 1313463773 488074 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I RTFM before questioning < 1313463798 620142 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *will* read ... < 1313463812 692404 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Of course I RTFM" he said, the first person in history to do so... < 1313463815 854293 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nothing to do with the other kind of esoteric, apart from obscurity :) < 1313463872 522937 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((Ye olde esoteric underload)!a(:^)*S):^ < 1313463872 690365 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :((Ye olde esoteric underload)!a(:^)*S):^ < 1313463880 529311 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The server gave me a "guest123_my_a**" nick because mine was taken < 1313463897 181657 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say ass :P < 1313463904 509069 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's day time for me, I censor my crude language :-D < 1313463916 75214 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might find this channel a bit profane for your tastes then :P < 1313463917 759839 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1313463921 653863 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1313463923 436129 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okayyy < 1313463926 95342 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: unfortunately underload is not widely-known outside the community :( < 1313463929 504402 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well censoring brainfuck is a bannable offense. maybe. < 1313463968 823503 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sad state of affairs. but writing things in brainfuck on the fly is a bit annoying in comparison. < 1313464042 655949 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have spent the last 48 hours crying my eyes out reading fresh version of bash.org, then I wondered why not make some of my own, I do have a stockpile of dumb questions :) < 1313464045 570684 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL is also hard, and demonstrating befunge on one line seems like missing the point... < 1313464061 685064 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*French* < 1313464063 433683 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have quotes too! < 1313464065 776290 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1313464067 662161 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :461) The wickedest man of all. Surpassed only in wickedness by the wicked witches of the west and east. you talking about me again? Yes. k < 1313464084 191128 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe not very portable ones. < 1313464086 754062 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: unefunge :) < 1313464092 810423 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1313464093 222078 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1313464094 801217 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :66) What else is there to vim besides editing commands? < 1313464096 481533 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :558) Phantom_Hoover: it is a hate so pure and... pumpkin seeds? < 1313464103 796449 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say hi < 1313464104 295055 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well not a joke out of context < 1313464122 797579 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a have this feeling those pumpkin seeds come up often < 1313464125 689704 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i have < 1313464128 348851 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You keep a log o them? < 1313464129 705238 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone get its source, i can't type carets < 1313464143 905331 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1313464145 658027 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27391 < 1313464150 876846 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianoo: that's all of them < 1313464167 900236 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well unefunge is also a little missing the point < 1313464190 553713 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: [caret]source to scare Pianoo? :D < 1313464207 72484 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote 596......:( < 1313464207 238144 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1313464207 404647 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1313464219 281450 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course < 1313464230 537050 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianoo: that's fungot's source code < 1313464231 177567 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hilarious!!!! Love it < 1313464231 607208 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ( une-racine 1 1 1 1 < 1313464232 637564 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 596 < 1313464234 467045 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :596) elliott_: I don't see a difference between a function taking a function as an argument, and some composition of those functions. < 1313464240 824339 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :written in befunge :) < 1313464276 713251 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: evincar considers all linear functions equivalent < 1313464289 540945 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianoo: (http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98, that is) < 1313464290 297963 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: line 17 is where is segfaults with that too... < 1313464356 648580 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gosh it is a little far from me, I haven't set a finger on an editor for the last 3 years < 1313464371 634595 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you have segfaults? say it isn't so! < 1313464371 803271 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i mean, regular irc banter is note fitting in the quote < 1313464513 354307 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fun to chat from where I am :) have you ever watch a martial arts movie about kung fu teaching (like "karate kid" the last one) like in china and wonder "man I want to go there" < 1313464524 269694 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianoo: don't worry, nobody else understands fungot either < 1313464524 935148 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you choose 80% of the platforms i'm going to sleep. first lecture day of 2006 tomorrow, wouldn't want to do < 1313464541 452802 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's where I am and being in a chat room seems surreal < 1313464550 975941 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you are in china? maybe don't stop the censorship then :D < 1313464557 905927 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many of these elliott quotes did elliott himself add < 1313464570 526169 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long live VPN !!! < 1313464572 465318 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: not most < 1313464604 337833 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott_ : you reassure me :) < 1313464681 788178 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only martial arts movie i can remember is kung fu panda, and i can't even remember that < 1313464722 997939 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill tell you whats a good martial arts movie < 1313464724 288255 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote video game < 1313464726 16800 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :362) I've only watched bad movies about video game. I enjoyed every second of it. \ 536) Game theory is not a perfect tool for analyzing video games. Nash failed to create a "video game theory" < 1313464734 288044 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was going for the first one < 1313464748 45493 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the snake and crane arts of shaolin < 1313464748 128929 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you just learn how to pluralise recently < 1313464779 274927 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I recall when I was writing I couldn't find a good way to pluralise it so I just went with that < 1313464779 902074 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy : Well that's one of the movies which motivated me to quit everything and come here < 1313464781 472779 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianoo: also if you value on-topicness you may find this channel lacking :P < 1313464798 624176 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, Pianoo may be the first person to move to china because of kung fu panda < 1313464807 730457 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched a lot of jackie chan growing up < 1313464824 15561 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day.......... i had like a dream where i could have sworn jackie chan thanked his fans < 1313464840 336977 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like he did some telepathic shit < 1313464844 471030 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: not so sure... < 1313464864 607889 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hya! hya! hya! ... < 1313464894 975772 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: and the tree in the face < 1313464912 381066 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1313464914 832070 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. mixing owen wilson with jackie chan is gold as they say < 1313464940 798477 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i have the correct movie reference < 1313464943 839642 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they say that? < 1313464977 678304 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Wudang mountains or Purple Heaven Palace and you'll see where I live < 1313464996 764383 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's amazing!! < 1313465045 338038 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: about ontopicness, I don't care really, only wanted to find funny dudes to chat with < 1313465047 276443 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :living in a maze, ok < 1313465053 914539 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you live in a palace? :P < 1313465062 793881 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianoo: basically i know that jackie chan and jet li are the best actors... bruce lee might be the best actual martial artist and well... he was very very cool in enter the dragon < 1313465090 231794 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not actually in it, but in a school attending, we practice in it though < 1313465121 779289 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a joke with amazing? Seriously? < 1313465123 732468 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ancient chinese had great imaginations < 1313465130 344806 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is the master of puns around here < 1313465137 218371 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern western civilization is weighed down in mathematics < 1313465148 44182 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry guys :P < 1313465166 859616 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: wat < 1313465168 772935 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont really think that < 1313465200 300503 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually crazy what they can do with chi, needles and some awfully disgusting herbs brew < 1313465206 925379 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last 10 - 15 years of my life have been an existential crisis though < 1313465249 889022 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: and how old you are? If you don't mind asking a lady her age? < 1313465263 253558 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a man 29 < 1313465272 92639 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianoo: it's amazing how much you can do with the placebo effect too < 1313465277 31323 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what coppro said < 1313465284 436786 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what elliott_ said < 1313465288 986964 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what monqy said < 1313465292 538468 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlep < 1313465293 763929 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I made a "half cat" program in Constantinople that checks every other bit and exits if it's a 1. < 1313465303 912253 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait I'm already asleep. < 1313465303 984561 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. my chat voice is very androgynous < 1313465305 109320 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what monqy said < 1313465311 588060 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll talk about it in the morning. < 1313465318 114166 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :not your fault < 1313465319 972299 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what coppro said < 1313465332 410605 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my chat voice masculine < 1313465336 22412 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianoo: life is about fun really.. in the end < 1313465340 337009 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps feminine < 1313465340 742556 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is.. < 1313465349 405194 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: arnie < 1313465358 712187 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :quickly.. get to de choppa! < 1313465358 961703 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that help < 1313465364 363111 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313465368 386606 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what convinced western to completely ignore energy and see the body as a machine composed of different parts that you fix independently, but that's a long story < 1313465374 392861 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: you spent that long in an existensial crisis? < 1313465376 35537 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :arnold schwarzenegger < 1313465382 988870 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro im still there < 1313465389 804989 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: what. < 1313465398 539639 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20 is special < 1313465398 728601 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianoo: the model of chi has no scientific evidence to support it that I know of < 1313465402 227218 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you aware of any? < 1313465407 594742 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: if you had an existence problem, how can you be having an existential crisis? < 1313465420 927774 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianoo: western medicine would be very interested in any, I'm sure, as it is a science-based practice < 1313465431 760595 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like... i am the observer.. and all others are observed < 1313465439 155676 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a distressing dichotomy < 1313465444 306462 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: oh. That's called life. < 1313465453 845562 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then... two people can observe a third other < 1313465467 428404 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kirlian photography was an example, but the scientists were not too happy so they unruled it < 1313465498 943314 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humor and alcohol seem to help < 1313465506 134168 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :more humor.. occasional sips of alcohol < 1313465509 152641 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kirlian photography is neat, but there is no scientific evidence that it's useful for medical purposes < 1313465509 330053 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fgcnprtrgqquoobb QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313465513 934421 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that an addiction is of no value < 1313465527 356227 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: oh. That's called love. < 1313465531 772467 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianoo: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Kirl66_g.png in this image, you can see two coins under kirlian photography < 1313465535 62497 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh :) < 1313465538 224255 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianoo: do coins have auras too? < 1313465577 296065 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know my coins have a mind of their own < 1313465580 43021 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never have enough change < 1313465580 848688 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, for my parts that you could "give" some to objects for a bit < 1313465620 47133 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianoo: inanimate objects always have such "auras" under kirlian photography < 1313465643 800706 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it hardly proves that chi exists, unless literally everything always has the same chi < 1313465645 890562 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know much, I just say it's interesting and I don't want to block myself with the never-ending argument "scientific evidence" < 1313465649 336615 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i have had a difficult childhood, as we all have.. and so i have trouble now to just have fun and stuff < 1313465673 822734 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: :( < 1313465681 950427 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we don't know much and we could explore more. < 1313465700 902930 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: you are in .au? < 1313465703 15359 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianoo: Well, maybe it's interesting, but you can hardly blame Western medicine for refusing to practice something with /no shown efficacy/ when there are plenty of methods that can be shown to work < 1313465709 917908 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :timbuctoo :)) < 1313465719 858742 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im being overcompensationgly ridiculous < 1313465720 107582 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of our socalled incurable diseases are cured in China < 1313465724 553493 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1313465731 918338 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not a place called timbuctoo < 1313465732 891285 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1313465734 625850 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using rhino horn and elephant ivory right? < 1313465741 117895 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is such a place here < 1313465755 759654 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: But they don't want share much < 1313465765 306209 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to share ... < 1313465775 690019 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love sharing < 1313465805 18890 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my brother got this new internet < 1313465815 380154 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have the rest of the month to burn up all the downloads this month < 1313465821 769850 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we'll be changing over < 1313465837 417935 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.au internet is "fun" isn't it < 1313465838 758601 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im fixing my torrent share ratio >:) < 1313465847 538694 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :( < 1313465856 115008 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly better over here < 1313465857 55076 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: rule number one: It doesn't matter what others think of you if you are happy with what you're doing. < 1313465857 736046 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's fun help < 1313465870 334936 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: rule number two: you are allowed one exception to rule number one. < 1313465873 917924 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: fun is sarcasm :) < 1313465878 307145 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun = not fun < 1313465883 456669 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HLEP < 1313465896 45664 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not fun is not not fun < 1313465897 318198 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fun < 1313465901 583800 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help helph e,hlp < 1313465904 858497 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like saying.... < 1313465912 627886 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it monqy? < 1313465915 398368 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit is delicious < 1313465921 879290 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather dogshit is delicious < 1313465929 403195 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never tried it < 1313465930 933875 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1313465934 230394 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to emphasise how not delicious it is < 1313465941 267669 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you? < 1313465954 961016 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i misunderstood what elliott said < 1313465982 578747 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :.au internet is fun to get regular tech support and limited downloads, limited bandwidth, < 1313465984 155303 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reality, I wasn't asking whether you were using "fun" sarcastically, but what's fun about it < 1313465986 361210 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok I'm out, later ;) < 1313465995 613875 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.165 PART :#esoteric < 1313466000 109366 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why now < 1313466002 635440 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, to need regular tech support < 1313466017 679659 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :au internet sounds bad < 1313466019 327051 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we're a giant country with very few people.. and our network sucks < 1313466031 141781 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't NBN meant to fix that < 1313466038 898016 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, why do I even know about the NBN < 1313466040 909031 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the frig < 1313466043 476593 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1313466045 660606 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehhehe < 1313466054 670536 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1313466072 782863 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must have wikipedia-surfed to it sometime < 1313466082 397779 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to recall their plan looking sane though < 1313466090 827329 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: normally, fun means like games, movies, parties, sexy girls < 1313466095 580651 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :jokes < 1313466101 237870 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1313466105 385857 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the clarification < 1313466108 351378 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if youre gay < 1313466112 517691 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whta athen :???? < 1313466115 101148 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or female and not gay < 1313466120 302542 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i'm secretly female < 1313466145 846894 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what if I hate parties, movies, games, fun < 1313466147 647586 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're gay, fun means playing leapfrog around the loungeroom naked < 1313466151 879130 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1313466154 437968 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1313466154 694929 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1313466165 308324 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or female and not gay < 1313466169 638732 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did i not think of that before "gay" < 1313466192 870548 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats female help < 1313466198 26647 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: then you're normal if you hate those things < 1313466203 726630 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun is uhhh < 1313466217 848205 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i don't know your native language. i could translate it. < 1313466224 837344 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :english, i believe < 1313466232 960158 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1313466236 571979 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1313466243 539985 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you speak english too < 1313466262 954397 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty much over the conlang thing < 1313466270 816378 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1313466282 410401 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< coppro> itidus20: rule number one: It doesn't matter what others think of you if you are happy with what you're doing. < 1313466299 803170 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In reference to our earlier discussion. ;) < 1313466307 564478 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi evincar < 1313466315 521965 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: but that can elicit feelings of disconnection and discommunication if you don't care what others think too much < 1313466334 557270 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Balance is key, as usual. < 1313466340 301664 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Well then you start to be unhappy and should start paying attention to others < 1313466369 245200 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: but the important thing is that you do what you want and not what others say you should do, and you know it's the right thing to do < 1313466371 534492 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: you can make bad languages all day, but also i can tell you they're bad < 1313466374 356515 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's what you're talking about < 1313466411 660112 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is morally wrong to make bad languages < 1313466428 862463 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what if what you're doing is murdering people < 1313466433 637308 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :re rule one < 1313466442 787633 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well you'll go to jail < 1313466445 892892 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you won't be happy < 1313466457 147754 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no < 1313466458 360813 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :balance restored < 1313466463 614577 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you just have to be good enough to not get caught < 1313466467 429158 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by rule one, you're doing great < 1313466470 516781 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1313466476 606691 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jgsxuhtsplklctel JOIN :#esoteric < 1313466479 825878 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was young, all i wanted was space < 1313466485 305187 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... i got it eventually < 1313466487 793540 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here i am < 1313466491 633829 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1313466493 549561 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :with everything i wanted < 1313466497 389778 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :space < 1313466499 179842 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: that works too < 1313466506 579967 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: well! < 1313466508 112896 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the free time in the world < 1313466509 758101 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... < 1313466515 925716 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you actually believe that? < 1313466525 275080 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: no < 1313466526 418422 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :murder is ok if you're good at it < 1313466527 815917 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i end up worrying about my existence, about where my mind is < 1313466535 779369 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the dichotomy of self and other < 1313466547 796473 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :about how many dimensions i exist in < 1313466556 124125 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: depends on which string theory you subscribe to < 1313466557 253296 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i erad somewhere.. the subconcious fear i am only a machine < 1313466564 304222 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1313466579 936154 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. what use is endless free time if that is how i use it hahahahahahha < 1313466587 813223 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaha < 1313466613 620007 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: do you at least have good dreams? like that one with the ghostly looks < 1313466625 882769 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a good dream < 1313466658 285080 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: also, does it really matter? Live your life to the fullest - if you truly have endless free time, get involved in philanthropy or politics or something - have some fun, make babies, and look forward. Ce que sera, sera; whatever comes afterward will come no matter what. < 1313466676 399427 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no need for getting too personal here.. i will reserve some aspects of personality.. i know that is what holds #esoteric together is not overrevealing < 1313466688 210579 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd never be able to stand children < 1313466700 240297 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i regret that i don't have a wine cooler < 1313466762 750865 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1313466776 694068 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK0De210TBQ < 1313466794 219439 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be able to stand my own children. < 1313466798 832207 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carrying on the line and that. < 1313466810 277952 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But other people's kids I have no stake in and therefore care not for. < 1313466851 738247 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fun part isn't the actual babies anyway < 1313466867 963590 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :birth control doesn't exist < 1313466935 99448 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: What, from an ecological standpoint? < 1313466943 505813 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For once I'd be inclined to agree. < 1313466947 320435 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Food = population. < 1313466949 412677 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1313466951 378141 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it damn well better < 1313466963 719415 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just going to pretend evincar didnt say anything < 1313466968 626228 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An increase in food production is matched by an increase in population. < 1313466977 232937 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ecology 101 < 1313466997 476271 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as we all know humans are completely bound by their instinct < 1313466999 730380 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore rape pillage murder < 1313466999 819083 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the "plan" was to spend my freetime on education. < 1313467004 603988 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1313467014 387358 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but birth control merely changes where babies are born. < 1313467027 895779 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't fully think it out < 1313467046 286490 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: what < 1313467085 34177 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are made of stuff. < 1313467089 398467 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Said stuff is derived from food. < 1313467109 892344 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egg salad is people too < 1313467113 61145 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More food equals more people, regardless of birth control. < 1313467132 118739 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People mate. < 1313467141 266642 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one of those things we do, as mammals. < 1313467143 289136 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people, mate. < 1313467164 655505 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mammals, mate. < 1313467175 296253 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, come to think of it... < 1313467177 752678 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marsupials, mate. < 1313467192 371987 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: yes and also animals in the wild do all sorts of horrible things like constantly rape and murder each other and obviously since humans cannot control their instincts we do this just as much as any animal with our population size < 1313467200 872151 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you lock up one murderer...... another random individual turns into a murderer < 1313467202 203845 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :food = murder < 1313467207 630017 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :murder control is impossible < 1313467209 124078 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me my phd < 1313467217 855102 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar's actually quite right < 1313467238 102085 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how rape and murder are horrible in and of themselves. < 1313467247 614554 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im dead < 1313467249 716167 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you killed me < 1313467254 398167 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAPY, EVINCAR ????? < 1313467261 189675 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: areyou serious < 1313467356 505818 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, rape causes suffering, and getting murdered isn't high on most people's priorities. < 1313467374 129087 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're wrong if you assume suffering is wrong. < 1313467379 151209 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :................ < 1313467381 48208 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're an idiot < 1313467390 938214 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and xchat's ignore syntax is needlessly convoluted. < 1313467395 829348 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it ok to assume suffering is wrong < 1313467395 995254 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But most crimes boil down to theft. < 1313467408 364520 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i dont see how assuming suffering is wrong is horrible in and of itself < 1313467410 960705 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rape being a variety of theft of happiness, and murder being theft of life. < 1313467424 221623 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you're not attached to those things in the first place, you don't care. < 1313467453 45413 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1313467463 779725 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So essentially all crime is a big misunderstanding taking place between two people who are in the game up to their eyeballs, trying desperately to own things and enjoy the little time they have. < 1313467474 259301 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because people are too intelligent for their own good, realising that they're finite. < 1313467483 326458 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they just sort of ignore it. < 1313467502 941581 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry but you kind of < 1313467503 846317 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lost me < 1313467505 31557 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to admit the best laughter is the one you can't help < 1313467524 179425 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is very relevant < 1313467526 804722 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im no joking < 1313467528 481108 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :serious 100% < 1313467538 353578 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep your head down, think you can own things, think you're separate from anything. < 1313467555 132215 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are your basic goals in life. < 1313467604 325499 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I uh < 1313467606 463840 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get it < 1313467612 236546 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these aren't my goals < 1313467615 355384 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I missed something < 1313467627 5407 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're like < 1313467630 581768 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a weirdo or something??? < 1313467634 185287 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with wierd life goles???? < 1313467636 321981 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generalised too fast. < 1313467655 27247 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :story of this entire conversation < 1313467658 512159 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stop talking its embarrassing < 1313467727 340858 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be embarrassing not to understand what others find intuitively obvious, but it's much easier to try to embarrass and dismiss them. < 1313467737 558695 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun games. < 1313467752 264193 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1313467755 832279 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you calling elliott_ childish < 1313467764 209614 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did I misinterpret you again < 1313467771 473642 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have a tendency to do that < 1313467800 596921 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there even any "misinterpretation" when someone is making statements that sound grand but are just nonsense < 1313467813 188139 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try interpreting it real carefully now < 1313467851 1729 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I'm just taking jabs because I'm frustrated that people don't seem to think the way I do. < 1313467862 630337 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if anyone's acting childish, it's me. < 1313467869 931178 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1313467876 899026 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind being disagreed with. < 1313467891 123563 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mind is when someone dismisses something rather than trying to understand it. < 1313467900 231383 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes most people do not oversimplify things they have no idea of in an attempt to sound like they've made deep statements < 1313467910 791739 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they do but that doesn't mean they should < 1313467915 694334 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should mention that yahoo chat was bad for me. < 1313467922 813187 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should you < 1313467928 354701 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1313467932 672586 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not trying to be deep. < 1313467935 827806 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certainly brought me no good < 1313467945 867845 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The conversation just took a turn toward those topics and I offered some conversation material. < 1313467950 71293 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lotta snakes in the grass there elliott < 1313467979 14165 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who dismissed what < 1313467984 418035 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how did you infer this < 1313467984 796589 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: i tried to understand what you said < 1313467990 803724 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i realised that it was bullshit < 1313467994 133607 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry if this was not clear enough < 1313468021 173073 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to understand but failed to see the connections between a few things, noted such, and got totally lost < 1313468050 864178 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bullshit is when you're trying to seem knowledgeable about something you know you're not. < 1313468061 761009 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's the case here. < 1313468079 819416 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you do think you're knowledgeable about the subject? < 1313468080 189963 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1313468081 58177 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like < 1313468082 474347 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just in brief rant mode. < 1313468082 918106 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exact case here < 1313468090 155414 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that is one hundred percent what you are doing < 1313468090 320409 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst definition of bullshit by the way < 1313468122 35614 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, we can cut through this with a simple question. < 1313468134 386258 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, do you think Zen is bullshit as a whole? < 1313468154 444092 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never understood zen < 1313468168 280970 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what it is < 1313468176 397526 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of this has anything to do with zen < 1313468186 704787 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but good derailing, i'm out, gonna code some shiro < 1313468188 475979 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to do with bullshit < 1313468205 439540 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but if I can characterise your thinking along those lines, then I can determine what you're going to call bullshit no matter what. < 1313468215 194199 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saving myself a lot of trouble. < 1313468215 581777 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be amusing < 1313468222 566129 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be quite amusing < 1313468240 75263 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll participate, if you can briefly describe zen < 1313468258 167405 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't the point... < 1313468260 173717 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: so which reply makes you stop talking about this and thus saving yourself the trouble?? < 1313468379 639525 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, that one. If the room doesn't want to talk about crime, ethics, ecology, Zen, and babies, so be it. < 1313468406 93910 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about programming languages? I like those. < 1313468438 482730 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should leave. The last time I talked about programming languages in here I got into a different shouting match. < 1313468447 901635 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it didn't escalate to shouting per se. < 1313468541 833832 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you were just wrong and got upset when we pointed this out < 1313468544 715652 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a difference < 1313468610 161528 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. I could've been wrong, and you got upset when I didn't immediately believe you when you made the claim. < 1313468648 412239 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of all the people in here, I'm not exactly best known for getting upset. < 1313468683 386668 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i best known for getting upset < 1313468702 310364 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: If you want. We could have a ranking. < 1313468751 281725 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'd be very well known at all for getting upset < 1313468789 911207 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that be a good thing? < 1313468795 853061 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1313468904 292036 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lets talk about shiro............. < 1313468927 890693 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it good < 1313468934 712499 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1313469018 404344 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiro as in shiro(i), Japanese for white? < 1313469057 225998 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiro as in eliots funge < 1313469063 372933 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreter < 1313469063 989231 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing < 1313469153 867262 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This looks a touch contrived, what with < 1313469154 119853 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x < -10) && (x > -10) < 1313469154 191359 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being one of nature's less controversial values." < 1313469433 502647 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1313469551 687702 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313469561 673896 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Funny, Google still finds that even though it's not in the current revision of the question. < 1313469593 359658 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray for caching, I guess. < 1313469751 729843 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1313470177 790140 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Failed to load interface for `GHC.Prim': < 1313470178 42309 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is a member of the hidden package `ghc-prim'. < 1313470178 114429 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you need to add `ghc-prim' to the build-depends in your .cabal file. < 1313470180 24652 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help its bullying me < 1313470438 723854 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Perhaps you need to add `ghc-prim' to the build-depends in your .cabal file. < 1313470445 377363 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a hunch, there. < 1313470451 189771 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THAT WOULD BE ADMITTING THAT IM USING UNSAFECOERCE < 1313470459 263982 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION beats himself ritually
< 1313470471 964232 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is unsafeCoerce in ghc-prim? < 1313470483 493270 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle unsafeCoerce < 1313470483 826848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsafe.Coerce unsafeCoerce :: a -> b < 1313470519 595903 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1313470550 233287 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe not < 1313470553 14418 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but GHC.Prim is < 1313470555 89038 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need Any < 1313470573 811246 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1313470596 665255 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically my current fingerprint system does casts that are always safe, but needs Data.Dynamic because you can't type it) < 1313470606 857996 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm trying to OPTOMIZE(tm) that) < 1313470621 329382 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you can break the safety I think, but only by breaking an invariant of the Fingerprint type... < 1313470628 475763 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if fpName a == fpName b, then a must === b) < 1313470649 33549 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can't compare "anExistentiallyQuantifiedVar -> IO ()" or similar...) < 1313470750 195425 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds spooky < 1313470839 683872 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: better than my previous model < 1313470846 418520 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1313470884 536329 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"•Casting between two types that have the same runtime representation. One case is when the two types differ only in "phantom" type parameters, for example Ptr Int to Ptr Float, or [Int] to [Float] when the list is known to be empty. Also, a newtype of a type T has the same representation at runtime as T." < 1313470906 593987 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Universal truism: Bad Lip Reading's version of a song is always better than the original. < 1313470908 193792 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that phantom type what someone ( CakeProphet? ) was asking about? < 1313470930 712285 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1313470949 644012 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's an officially permitted use, anyhow < 1313470958 903762 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: they did more? :DDD < 1313470995 646298 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this Morning Dew song is awesome < 1313471053 192820 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never even know the originals < 1313471083 960123 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could buy this as the original if not for the lyrics < 1313471134 754110 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that they're nonsense, that is :P < 1313471138 253581 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the matching < 1313471141 393859 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1313471162 391701 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're good lyrics though, apart from being nonsense < 1313471182 119304 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayo girl you should try them chicken fingers instead of that pizza < 1313471396 902771 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that was /three songs together/? < 1313471401 253313 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDddddddd < 1313471447 901566 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GHC's primitive types and operations. Use GHC.Exts from the base package instead of importing this module directly." ... and then Any is not mentioned in that one... < 1313471469 412231 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: They made it flow so brilliantly, I know :P < 1313471506 626117 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed it was just a feat. feat. feat. original < 1313471511 564785 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lol < 1313471524 317060 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1313471525 175291 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works < 1313471525 461024 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1313471543 306523 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it does? < 1313471606 248132 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1313471624 590556 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haddock doesn't always get it right. especially for "internal" modules that might be partly built-in < 1313471626 741292 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IME < 1313471717 591116 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh GHC.Exts has a weird export list, it mentions module GHC.Prim but _also_ lists several of the functions from there < 1313471865 925463 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK Russian Unicorn is amazing < 1313472102 127644 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: That one's probably my favorite right now. < 1313472131 54206 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yeah, uh, my favourite song now is called 'Russian Unicorn'". --Michael Buble, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp37h0yY4j4&NR=1 < 1313472135 466364 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not kidding :P < 1313472173 586674 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then he starts singing it terribly... this is surreal X-D < 1313472213 772158 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLOLOL < 1313472222 138518 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How he sings "WE COULD SHOOT A RUSSIAN UNICORN" < 1313472224 515018 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so great. < 1313472226 242818 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I eagerly await his cover :P < 1313472241 964319 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which will then be bad-lip-read into another song, ad infinitum < 1313472254 405758 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be ... pretty amazing. < 1313472460 19142 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1313472794 841788 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now why in the world did you treat me / As if I didn't understand trigonometry and Tai Chi / Inverse cosine, see?" <-- I dearly hope these guys get a fat paycheck from the music industry < 1313472820 557680 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Which is that from? < 1313472850 892945 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Black Umbrella < 1313472862 550391 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just watching all the ones I haven't seen, i.e. all but three :P < 1313472905 42133 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the funniest Snoop Dogg voice ever < 1313472976 748357 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodness, I think this makes American pop music justifiable. < 1313473012 737242 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barely; it's got to make up for great crimes against music, after all. < 1313473023 529349 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, < 1313473046 546676 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Seen < 1313473060 441381 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading now < 1313473340 128479 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's buy two big industrial windmills. < 1313473480 795189 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Michael Bubl� is the only original artist to make a response ... < 1313473725 862417 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Miley Cyrus' Official Response to Black Umbrella - YouTube < 1313473728 350671 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKELY < 1313473786 819387 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: can you write an annoyingly catchy christmas tune? < 1313473795 209524 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote beautiful summer < 1313473797 327507 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :549) beautiful summer / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck < 1313473798 756283 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/summer/christmas/ < 1313473888 352020 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1313473918 455679 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :best haiku, or best haiku < 1313473922 890120 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :綺麗夏・ファクファクファーク・ファークファク < 1313473925 383935 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now in Japanese. < 1313473993 352773 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want the music, no lyrics < 1313474000 338177 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Factor factor far far clock clean clock summer-factor" ? < 1313474012 158715 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good haiku < 1313474017 394269 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wat?) < 1313474025 617072 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Translate fucked it up pretty badly. < 1313474033 313983 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1313474056 314536 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor factor far / far clock clean clock summer fac / tor < 1313474058 969666 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For, frankly, obvious reasons: as far as I know, "fuck" in the pejorative sense only exists as a somewhat obscure loan word. < 1313474098 647841 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, WTF < 1313474103 485708 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This new fingerprint model is slower < 1313474104 172247 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1313474264 51038 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ... why? :P < 1313474296 319946 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's christmas :D < 1313474305 244401 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :christmas in july in august < 1313474309 806612 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: for a game < 1313474329 734521 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i decided to christmas theme < 1313474356 691453 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know you know how to arrange notes before and behinf each other < 1313474366 364369 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i ask :P < 1313474437 208738 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm dreaming of rudolph the red-nosed reindeer roasting on a one horse open sleigh < 1313474446 988457 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's for a game, don't you just want a classic Christmas song, not something new? < 1313474480 753127 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you europeans probably relate to sleighs and reindeers a bit better < 1313474484 449379 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah dog. < 1313474485 437345 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no snow where i live < 1313474491 385023 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, reindeer are tasty < 1313474507 761441 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 100s of miles of grass < 1313474520 709589 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the latest thing I wrote. It's pretty Christmassy (lol no): http://codu.org/tmp/wol8-2011-08-16.ogg < 1313474524 458843 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1313474540 34687 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: wat < 1313474555 856732 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre may be a secret norwegian < 1313474560 969838 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1313474573 808787 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol my phone is like WTF IS AN OGG????? derp... < 1313474585 55796 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could MP3 it D-8 < 1313474615 114759 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pm me the link and ill click when im on a proper compy < 1313474622 575773 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh he may just be named after a game character < 1313474623 983295 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1313474693 92253 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: .wav < 1313474697 572111 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.wav > .mp3 < 1313474708 525156 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR ALL POSSIBLE USES < 1313474708 982444 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Uhh, I could make an MP3 directly :P < 1313474713 106415 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1313474716 604890 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read -> instead of > :P < 1313474724 968165 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLAC < 1313474728 385702 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1313474730 157802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :flac < 1313474736 951553 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your phone does FLAC but not Vorbis? < 1313474738 254571 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yeah, like your phone can FLAC. < 1313474741 108287 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1313474743 91654 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cant < 1313474747 348236 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLAC your phone. < 1313474750 608335 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but flac is definitely best < 1313474753 478975 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my pc can flac with winamp < 1313474756 597907 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLAC you for lying and FLAC your phone for not supporting FLAC. < 1313474773 32547 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there may be a vlc clone in the market < 1313474775 523241 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks
< 1313474780 736965 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :merry christmas / flac flac flac flac flac flac flac / flac flac flac flac fluke < 1313474787 391571 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it's an Android ... that doesn't support OGG ... ??? < 1313474809 409646 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to FLAC] < 1313474848 885342 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i download FLACs of songs which i want that extra clarity < 1313474877 104629 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i am downloading an app that plays all lossless formats including flac < 1313474896 146235 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will not help you play the OGG :P < 1313474898 429347 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I download FLAC whenever possible, even though I know I probably won't hear the difference. < 1313474902 349990 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like ALAC < 1313474912 990320 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe it does support ogg but the browser flipped out and like crashed or something when i clicked your link so wtf? < 1313474924 682320 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yeah, Android totes supports OGG :P < 1313474925 439971 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Converting to a different lossy format in the future is handy for portable devices with picky requirements, and hard drive space is cheap and plentiful. < 1313474931 568723 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL < 1313474940 362305 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Tell that to my full hard disks >_< < 1313474941 487300 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :TELL MY BROWSER THAT < 1313474975 136481 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, ~/audio/ has 15 days of audio in it and is only 100G... < 1313474977 708087 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep it just crashes on that link < 1313475008 995022 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Fifteen days is not a large music collection < 1313475015 285205 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Sadly. < 1313475018 457424 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess it is < 1313475021 759210 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five hundred albums or so < 1313475025 420440 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But that's not much these days" :-P < 1313475037 433343 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's "only" a handful of discographies. < 1313475048 762809 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many bands have a hundred albums < 1313475054 179839 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a guy on american pickers claimed he had 550,000 albums < 1313475055 902379 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need five < 1313475057 597353 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :on vinyl < 1313475060 988968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one room < 1313475067 957270 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was probably pretty close < 1313475071 168469 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It... could work < 1313475075 944403 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, vinyl doesn't take much space to store < 1313475077 282093 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only have 27gb of music < 1313475085 191716 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was definitely no room to walk < 1313475097 774161 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my incomplete Uematsu collection has 39 albums in it... < 1313475100 788692 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :very boring choices too < 1313475105 950841 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ du -hs ~/Music/all < 1313475106 75323 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.5G /home/gregor/Music/all < 1313475132 439725 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... Pathetic. < 1313475145 985991 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.5 = it's like you're not even trying < 1313475147 486721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as gregor prefers < 1313475150 895977 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pathetique < 1313475150 976861 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are few things I hate more than idly listening to music. < 1313475159 423244 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is impossible to listen to music while doing other things < 1313475163 419042 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a reason why my D&D character left the book where it is when escaping from slavery, actually a few reasons. < 1313475168 595594 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that 27gb doesn't get used actually < 1313475168 981052 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got more than that from Queen, I mean jeeze. < 1313475178 761938 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, Gregor's in a better position than you then :-D < 1313475184 412481 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: this is true sort of < 1313475193 195512 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ? < 1313475207 243689 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It was a hee-LARIOUS comment on the average quality of Queen < 1313475235 316912 :Kouta!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1313475235 389151 :Kouta!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl NICK :asiekierka < 1313475236 203096 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1313475238 786236 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my music choices are really bad.............. < 1313475239 69418 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1313475239 851921 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :queen is okay, okay? < 1313475239 935014 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: -_-' < 1313475244 744394 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i found a bug in my interpreter < 1313475246 418951 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed that < 1313475248 609593 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Default didn't work) < 1313475254 912324 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i can run a linear feedback shift register < 1313475265 829608 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurray! < 1313475273 429682 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your language interesting yet < 1313475274 282591 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to focus on discographies though < 1313475276 147671 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :im gonna go code some < 1313475296 830048 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a good language I haven't loooked much at it at all < 1313475311 98656 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[http://www.complex-systems.com/pdf/19-3-5.pdf Paper describing BitBitJump], Complex Systems Journal 2011, Vol 19, N3, pp. 263-285 < 1313475313 943274 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm, that's the Wolfram journal < 1313475318 898184 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ not really < 1313475319 942553 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ais is meant to be published in eventually < 1313475322 131065 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same as ever < 1313475328 280042 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :output of LFSR: 4936=:5;7?><8124936=:5;7?><8124936=:5;7?><8124936=:5;7?><8124936=:5;7?><8124936=:5;7?><812 < 1313475332 76132 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god what < 1313475334 837019 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oleg Mazonka" < 1313475346 526257 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mazonka good name < 1313475349 866746 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that's User:Oleg < 1313475357 669895 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help i feel conflicting things about this :( < 1313475358 696531 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hq9+b oleg < 1313475377 363404 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mazonka would probably mean mywife in polish < 1313475382 742644 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1313475390 598876 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :polish: boring langauge for bad people < 1313475401 975306 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/HQ9_B "good language" < 1313475422 624069 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ i hear dit's the hrdest language < 1313475430 804751 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :heard it's* hardest* < 1313475441 316602 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if by hard you mean bad and also for bad people then yet < 1313475442 178876 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1313475450 39346 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you so flamey < 1313475451 33 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the tame < 1313475451 890656 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :time* < 1313475458 279043 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1313475459 15601 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ is avery angrey person < 1313475465 868891 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im bear < 1313475476 188899 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :roar --a bear < 1313475491 345813 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok --monqy < 1313475498 803170 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: http://64pixels.org/binodu2.zip this is a good implementation < 1313475509 231292 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not a good implementation < 1313475512 429580 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you looked at Parser.java < 1313475514 859708 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a complete hack < 1313475519 770832 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :404 - Not Found < 1313475519 842744 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1313475522 88414 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to click tha tlink < 1313475524 372470 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2] “Subleq.” (Nov 24, 2010) http://esolangs.org/wiki/Subleq. < 1313475526 66129 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ oh. < 1313475526 330757 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1313475529 750642 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my server admin is an idiot < 1313475531 471296 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow guys we're in a published journal((((( < 1313475532 17018 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1313475536 203605 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were meant to be explaanamaotion wmarks < 1313475543 41786 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can't interfere because he pays for it < 1313475594 993171 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok elliott_ < 1313475596 834591 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :link fixed < 1313475598 294564 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope < 1313475599 468595 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb checking < 1313475602 698421 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475607 594664 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works...but is it good.... < 1313475607 862075 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a link < 1313475608 112615 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475608 295952 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1313475609 925903 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475611 169121 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475612 479855 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :herp < 1313475612 825105 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1313475614 855635 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fear the quality may have < 1313475614 938463 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hel < 1313475615 536490 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://64pixels.org/binodu2.zip < 1313475615 721002 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :droped < 1313475616 657103 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1313475619 619415 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy i think so too < 1313475621 664208 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475628 260068 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1313475633 420241 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :* elliott_ has quit (Excess Flood) < 1313475633 497436 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(help) < 1313475640 550250 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :excess flood < 1313475641 186423 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475650 342052 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense elliott_ may be in need of some assistance. < 1313475655 651236 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help :( < 1313475655 900805 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[debug] activates Debug Mode 1 (sane enough for most people) or, if repeated, Debug Mode 2 (why would anyone use it is beyond me). < 1313475667 186030 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: help < 1313475669 894050 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475671 659917 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475673 68195 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the details are a little hard to discern, though. < 1313475673 772890 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475677 617965 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :help i'm being trolled by HELP < 1313475679 265310 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475680 919273 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :helop < 1313475685 473281 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helop < 1313475685 874445 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help < 1313475693 406660 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: help < 1313475697 153756 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475699 155313 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help < 1313475701 546060 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will take your adivce and < 1313475702 531931 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at < 1313475705 856226 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsere>JAVA < 1313475706 447680 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help < 1313475711 673604 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: help help < 1313475714 204492 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475720 455745 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :creeper: ssssSSSSSSsssssss < 1313475721 366444 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BOOM* < 1313475725 806867 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1313475732 102951 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all < 1313475736 424182 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1313475761 782393 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does this < 1313475763 465495 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :java thing < 1313475764 203657 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :work < 1313475782 55647 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :java -jar Binodu.jar < 1313475785 371514 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1313475792 561080 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :java -jar Binodu.jar elliott_s_awesome_app.txt < 1313475803 997299 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ made an awseme apP.txt????? < 1313475804 186685 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475804 960832 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slander < 1313475805 306325 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475806 428340 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libel < 1313475806 687646 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475807 126588 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475812 185073 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellp < 1313475814 339701 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475821 736630 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: help us help you help us all < 1313475828 430270 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nO DONT PING THE MONster, < 1313475828 502843 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so since this month is all about help burning up download gb's help < 1313475835 407835 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1313475837 433120 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo uhh < 1313475840 441014 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475841 815434 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475845 621158 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait shit you actually implemented it? < 1313475848 930454 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475856 276487 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1313475871 53078 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +q :*!*@95.149.229.26 > 1313475871 195527 NAMES :#esoteric < 1313475871 413002 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am going to now look at a file that isn't parser.java < 1313475875 191798 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which do you recomende < 1313475881 280385 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1313475884 219650 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter.java < 1313475928 943701 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -q :*!*@95.149.229.26 > 1313475928 997628 NAMES :#esoteric < 1313475940 725587 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome back < 1313475944 65891 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475947 828581 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome help < 1313475951 230865 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :herp < 1313475953 34197 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :herpu < 1313475956 813939 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with what do you rquire essistence < 1313475964 587095 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need help with helping < 1313475967 126070 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to help monqy < 1313475968 307403 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475970 673778 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313475999 902597 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been so long since i've done anything in java < 1313476079 413319 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it bad that i don't like java < 1313476093 816362 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen the comedy videos made about java? < 1313476101 337483 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they good < 1313476105 203201 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let f be the id map and let g be (\x y . x x y). then [[[g f] x] y] = [[g x] y] = [[x ]] < 1313476107 503148 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1313476107 936210 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1313476140 410775 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy java is horrible < 1313476141 262581 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what < 1313476145 221163 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly oklopol has deciphered evincar's semantics < 1313476147 128103 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didnt feel like learning python yet < 1313476148 103889 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or haskell < 1313476157 85388 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: heres one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLDFQ_IhnDc < 1313476159 750028 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no you said (\ < 1313476163 743122 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: he DIDNT DEFINE A MAPPING TO LAMBDA NOTATIN < 1313476175 119301 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh actually i have seen that < 1313476175 911904 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1313476196 206450 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let f be the id map and let g be (\x y . x (x y)). then [[[g f] x] y] = ((g x) y) = (x (x y)), since [g f] is composition, but [[[g f] x] y] = (x y) since [g f] is application < 1313476209 186430 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if no one really gave an example < 1313476225 367559 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: theres a new one too < 1313476230 765783 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let y = 0 and let x be the successor function, say < 1313476266 58193 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you cant use lambda notation you have to use his notation < 1313476266 631217 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1313476297 522954 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can ask which of these two cases happens and go from there though < 1313476301 789218 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: compose = {f, g => [f g]} apparently < 1313476308 45508 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but I mean your "let g be" is not ok < 1313476318 845007 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will ironically turn out that his notation is entirely consistent, but there is no way to express (\x y . x (x y)) in it < 1313476335 958507 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible < 1313476358 747693 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really i think he just hasn't thought about this much < 1313476408 54638 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: g = {x, y => [x [x y]]} you're welcome < 1313476422 453440 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but now the q is < 1313476432 345576 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the inconsistency in that remove the inconsistency of my example? < 1313476438 15618 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly :) < 1313476444 171862 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because [f x] isn't (f x) because it's like < 1313476451 312988 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if f and x are functions and also if arity and .... < 1313476477 370438 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan will probably ban all of us soon enough < 1313476486 448071 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is [[g f] x] is [f [f x]] for a start < 1313476531 944608 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i mean you saw that fold example < 1313476533 677391 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the second one < 1313476537 868345 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :higher order functions can just break if your arities are out of wack < 1313476547 385676 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because lol this language is completely terrible and bad in every way < 1313476556 917762 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i didn't see a concrete example, your f 0 + f 9 breaks because of types < 1313476570 313765 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his language is obviously dynamically typed, but: < 1313476578 356991 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2011-08-16#003321oerjan onwards < 1313476578 523448 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again i sorta skipped over everything < 1313476590 48509 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:51:12: oerjan: With an empty list, it ought to return 0 regardless. < 1313476590 382483 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:51:23: With a non-empty list, it depends on how well foldr is written. < 1313476590 454722 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:51:32: You might get a list of unary functions. < 1313476590 454898 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:51:50: oh well. < 1313476618 781193 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _suspect_ lambdas are opaque until they have got all arguments < 1313476678 598801 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at which point they are tentatively evaluated, and if something is missing arguments, a closure is made for the whole thing accepting those missing arguments < 1313476691 961927 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something similar to that < 1313476753 198432 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no counterexample there < 1313476852 944495 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i don't know what his objects are and what [] actually does, i just got the impression no one gave him a simple example of two functions whose composition is not equal to the partial application of one to the other, which later generations would definitely blame us for. < 1313476901 750828 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: this one is new and actually pretty awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U1_KW6ww7Y < 1313476971 305875 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-204-20.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313477023 611780 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-173.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1313477237 820835 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's roughly how it works. < 1313477329 466435 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get 2 in my example? < 1313477528 286357 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313477543 59027 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning!] < 1313477561 651589 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: So in your example, g = (\x y . x (x y)), which translates to { x, y => x [x y] }. < 1313477599 162484 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: [[[g f] x] y] == g f x y == f [f x] y < 1313477625 520697 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313477676 809373 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :== [f x] y == x y < 1313477751 331304 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ive seen this java one < 1313477753 643441 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny < 1313477756 94360 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, [[[f g] x] y] == [[g x] y] == x [x y]. < 1313477777 524624 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, [f g] and [g f] aren't (necessarily) equal. < 1313478031 379355 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" In other words, [f g] and [g f] aren't (necessarily) equal." <<< eh? well anyway, how would you say "compose g and f, then apply the result to x, and the result of that to y"? < 1313478069 758725 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that not [[[g f] x] y] as well? < 1313478155 587948 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1313478161 573876 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean < 1313478167 234886 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you did just now < 1313478170 908370 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do you express < 1313478181 50257 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply g to f, apply the result to x, and apply the result of that to y < 1313478196 732555 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait fuck < 1313478213 263526 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm being a fucking retard here, let me start over :D < 1313478217 725586 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No problem. < 1313478219 119525 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you did was < 1313478254 949871 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply apply apply < 1313478274 343502 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y(x(f g))? < 1313478293 378343 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the correct question indeed is "how would you say "compose g and f, then apply the result to x, and the result of that to y"?" < 1313478324 3634 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the result of that should be x [x y] < 1313478366 211056 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[[[f g] x] y] == [[g x] y] == x [x y]" is a coincidence, you're doing them in the wrong order < 1313478391 227993 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's what confused me, that was a confusing thing to do) < 1313478407 105367 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result of [g f] where g = { x, y => x [x y] }; f = { x => x } is { y => f [f y] } < 1313478420 981074 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that confusing? If f is the identity function, [f g] is the same as [g]. < 1313478432 945612 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's the same as g. < 1313478435 104706 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do you compose g and f? < 1313478449 530940 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Same thing. < 1313478456 189 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :g == [g]. < 1313478459 962118 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: what if g takes no arguments < 1313478469 933590 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you not have that < 1313478473 805625 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i guess all values are pure? < 1313478476 236741 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: it's confusing because [f g] had nothing to do with anything, " However, [[[f g] x] y] == [[g x] y] == x [x y]." could just as well have been " However, in soviet russia, [f g] = [g f]" < 1313478478 427649 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, where's your io monad < 1313478480 96551 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately you have to explicitly pass no arguments. < 1313478484 635890 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1313478501 825759 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb < 1313478505 41622 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fixed a bug in the interpreter < 1313478506 635511 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now Default works < 1313478509 840806 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the LFSR works, too! < 1313478524 200875 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: so how do you express "compose g and f, then apply the result to x, and the result of that to y", or is that impossible? < 1313478556 273640 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where "compose g and f" means produce a function that first applies f, then g < 1313478610 900276 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of a time where this guy made up a pretend language that was in his fantasy world and then roleplayed as someone from his fantasy world who used the language and then tried to talk to me about the language < 1313478629 300383 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote this reminds me of a time where this guy made up a pretend language that was in his fantasy world and then roleplayed as someone from his fantasy world who used the language and then tried to talk to me about the language < 1313478630 528361 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happens quite often here. < 1313478633 793908 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :597) this reminds me of a time where this guy made up a pretend language that was in his fantasy world and then roleplayed as someone from his fantasy world who used the language and then tried to talk to me about the language < 1313478633 976494 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should produce x [x y], which [[[f g] x] y] also produces by accident, since i chose the simplest f i could think < 1313478636 151327 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of < 1313478671 87996 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now i get it < 1313478680 913533 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was funny about monqy's < 1313478695 376673 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :too subtle < 1313478697 146848 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally, he didn't know a lick of programming language design, the whole thing was an inconsistent mess, etc. etc. < 1313478701 966766 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1313478710 857945 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh wait i thought you meant natural language < 1313478723 567118 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: could you please answer or tell my you won't, i should get to work < 1313478724 786301 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he made one of those up too??? < 1313478731 243788 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah way less funny if it was a pl < 1313478731 392375 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313478731 642424 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but like < 1313478738 302823 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mi name isa obasio < 1313478739 785787 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have any dual linguists and programming linguists in the audience? < 1313478741 881555 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I will, just a moment. < 1313478742 238791 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oajsd oiawje comprehendo monqy oasijd? < 1313478745 369314 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PatashuWarg: yes. < 1313478750 826266 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1313478755 538496 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: oh yeah he did that a lot < 1313478766 428167 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: thanks for digging up those precious memories < 1313478781 403682 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should get better friends < 1313478793 60476 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not my friend (anymore) < 1313478797 223377 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-204-20.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :私 為 一 思 that 是 stupid. < 1313478842 499831 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know if you can base an mmap off another mmap... < 1313478843 176771 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1313478845 256314 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to mmap a file < 1313478850 324650 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then make a copy of that mmap and modify that < 1313478850 958347 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then make a copy of that mmap and modify that < 1313478964 311658 :Pianoo!~whynow@207.204.228.138 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1313478967 449860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1313479014 518815 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's raining and raining and i want to go out, please be a fast :( < 1313479021 248168 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: If f=\x.(x x), g=\xy.x(x y), shouldn't (g f) be \y.f(f y)? < 1313479037 639980 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the combinator combo xxI equivalent to x? < 1313479039 81517 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's what my language has. < 1313479050 427550 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if () is application, then yes < 1313479056 389503 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's composition, then no < 1313479069 2810 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose in Forth you could do some kind of composition, too: : COMPOSE 2 0 NONAME-CONST-DOES> >R EXECUTE R> EXECUTE ; although then you have to deal with memory management yourself (assume there is a word NONAME-CONST-DOES> although it is not standard in any system I know of) < 1313479070 510974 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the difference < 1313479079 431385 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1313479087 340834 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm asking you how to express composition < 1313479091 438377 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we return to the question "this looks like application why are you calling it composition do you even know what function compision is?" < 1313479098 343032 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i don't think so < 1313479103 486811 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've asked for composition examples as well < 1313479107 958830 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fruitless < 1313479113 810470 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but now we have proof < 1313479139 286649 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the composition of that f and that g would be what? What's expected? < 1313479158 391536 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apparently [f g] is \x -> f g x if g needs one argument and f is a function that evincar thinks should work like that. < 1313479195 754962 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: it's the lambda \x y -> (f x) ((f x) y) obviously < 1313479230 151679 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not equivalent to \y . f (f y) in all cases < 1313479258 902256 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I got out of evincar's thing about arity is that he's reinventing currying (but shoddily), not that there's a bunch of special behaviour, but then again, I missed a whole lot, probably including the really insane parts < 1313479282 449868 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I do not believe that a generic copy-on-write mapping of just random pages in your process is a thing you can do, at least with the mmap call. < 1313479284 348201 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole thing about "fixing" arguments or whatever it was < 1313479296 1555 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't get the (f + g) example though < 1313479300 490934 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like you're always stuck in second gear. < 1313479301 228921 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that stuff was weird < 1313479304 236959 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume he doesn't know what function composition is, calls application composition, and has forks and partial application. < 1313479315 365614 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: who me what's that < 1313479315 967414 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make all this consistent afaict < 1313479317 792314 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it hasn't been your day, your week, your month.. or even your year < 1313479322 546077 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, I'm up for any call. < 1313479328 149200 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway off to work, correct me if i'm wrong -> < 1313479330 951207 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. i'll be there for you < 1313479408 793496 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313479409 149334 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-204-20.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of no way to COW pages from userspace. < 1313479419 153668 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly? :( < 1313479422 576842 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-204-20.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems like a major deficiency. < 1313479437 299431 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-204-20.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite honestly, the kernel should expose that and hook it to memcpy. < 1313479444 341052 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-204-20.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, libc should hook it to memcpy. < 1313479454 362171 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because like < 1313479460 9949 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to write an efficient BytePusher VM in Haskell < 1313479466 104439 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I want it to be pretty < 1313479468 418426 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric := pure updates < 1313479489 527315 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to start by carving out a huge area from a file, zero-padding it (this requires copying the file in to a zero mmap, right? no way to do it with mmap? sigh) < 1313479499 597032 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-204-20.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like such a *simple* thing to stick in a system call, too. < 1313479504 435920 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I want to do updates by COW + write + done < 1313479515 592459 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And let the GC take care of the minimal overhead of unmapping the old page right after < 1313479562 120134 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-204-20.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably this would be trivial in @. < 1313479570 61114 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvs < 1313479586 326084 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1313479589 357229 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you turn a block of memory into an fd < 1313479592 202672 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that would let you dot hsi :) < 1313479595 720618 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if < 1313479597 168843 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IF < 1313479600 970191 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I opened /proc/self/mem or something like that < 1313479606 985041 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mmaped from the right offset < 1313479611 52733 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IF THAT... < 1313479621 571284 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, alright. Now we get to the interesting bits. [g [f ?]] (using a placeholder argument) does the composition. < 1313479624 880290 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wrong to conflate them. < 1313479625 834148 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-204-20.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ... Oh jesus. < 1313479637 69402 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: APPLAUSE < 1313479640 842136 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmap yo mmap < 1313479641 175591 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: appplause time < 1313479642 763823 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could write it in Haskell if you want, now there will be one in Haskell. What graphics library would you use? (I, however, do not want to write *all* programs in Haskell; there is C and various programming language for different purposes) < 1313479646 668998 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: not so fast, elliott_ < 1313479659 368467 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Probably SDL < 1313479666 838720 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think everything should be written in Haskell, that's reserved for @lang < 1313479670 992061 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does SDL work with Haskell? < 1313479675 925400 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there's an excellent binding < 1313479683 159711 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but I do like writing programs nobody thinks would be fast/elegant in Haskell to prove them wrong :-) < 1313479706 84101 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-204-20.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fast *and* elegant, or fast *or* elegant? < 1313479731 347864 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :former < 1313479737 12119 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: and how does that ? work? If you consider there being an invisible function in your example, where does it start/end, and how does it know what to do with the placeholder? < 1313479763 162458 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: for an example, consider as well, simply, [f ?], or perhaps [h [g [f ?]]] < 1313479773 710289 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a program in Haskell but I might have done a bad job because I am not very good at Haskell, so I don't know. < 1313479808 912733 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dum de dum, cleaning out space on my hard drive so I can install VS2010 < 1313479812 98174 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how does it all get filled up I swear) < 1313479820 766267 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-204-20.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you torture yourself? < 1313479833 781344 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It's implemented by binding each ? to the argument replaced by the expression containing the ?. < 1313479834 75637 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs2010 what why < 1313479841 527328 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: yes I know < 1313479845 944057 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to do it for class so nyah < 1313479857 694155 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-204-20.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PatashuWarg: The question remains. < 1313479879 383580 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It literally has to be in the form of a VS2010 project or I can't submit any lab/assignment work < 1313479885 165986 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :My fate is sealed < 1313479925 737817 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: if you consider it as sugar for putting an actual function in there, when desugaring, where do you put the actual function? < 1313479935 974588 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of my programs I still like to use CWEB for writing it, although a kind of macro preprocessor for LLVM would also be good way to write it. < 1313479950 519483 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-204-20.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PatashuWarg: Have you considered the many preferable alternatives, such as becoming a hobo? < 1313479953 373506 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we still talking about this? < 1313479967 412784 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I'm not sure I know what you mean. The "?" is actually part of the source, just so we're clear. < 1313479980 884832 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: I know; typing example < 1313479982 625623 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :found yet another parser bug < 1313479983 218813 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixing < 1313479993 482691 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: you want \x.g(fx) but how do you get that instead of g(\x.fx) < 1313480047 857286 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: (in [g [f ?]]) < 1313480100 505924 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: most usually in languages with this sort of mechanism there's some sort of explicit thing to handle this problem < 1313480117 590312 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: or it's limited < 1313480124 152765 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: (or both) < 1313480133 597071 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: help < 1313480148 637102 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: friends dot com < 1313480149 781069 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1313480151 965776 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help < 1313480154 708824 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it be made, a "Rules" monad, doing some of the things this is trying to do? --> https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/texnicard/wiki/Dangelo_Programming_Language < 1313480188 91277 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easier to do low-level arithmetic optimizations if Int is an abstract type rather than an isomorphic ADT (I do not understand this exactly but it is what someone told me, so I put it in here) < 1313480190 796637 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: friends dot com was unhelpful < 1313480192 91750 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: this makes no real sense at all < 1313480194 482534 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dangelo" sounds like a name for a dessert. < 1313480204 183676 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, try askjeeves.com < 1313480218 152262 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than... if you do "data Int = IntZero | IntOne | IntTwo | ..." then it'll be awkward and slow... duh < 1313480233 305736 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ask.com/web?q=help&search=&qsrc=0&o=10181&l=dir help < 1313480247 53438 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1313480254 438379 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when askjeeves would give you actual answers < 1313480258 723032 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was pretty cool < 1313480270 892984 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I know "data Int = IntZero | IntOne | IntTwo | ..." is awkward and slow but I just typed what someone told me to type, since they do not have an account there so I typed it for them < 1313480341 790406 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on 99 bottles of beer < 1313480350 454618 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1313480363 774766 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.stdfriends.com/ < ??? < 1313480364 733976 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: Maybe it does, but it is named after Stephen D'Angelo but I wanted to remove the apostrophe so that it is different name, so I did do so. < 1313480397 452359 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: g takes two arguments, so \x.g(fx) is the same as [g [f ?]], because (fx) is substituted as the first argument of g. < 1313480417 444889 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I feel like that isn't the best example. < 1313480422 960736 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A woman I was seeing told me she was a Taurus, but I think she was really more of an ellipsoid. < 1313480424 385432 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: what < 1313480463 977733 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: what if g doesn't take two arguments, because I hope you know it doesn't have to < 1313480487 300284 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: also I don't see how your thing works < 1313480536 137576 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: "f takes one argument, so g(\x.fx) is the same as [g [f ?]], because (x) is substituted as the argument of f" < 1313480563 181997 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1313480564 352647 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException < 1313480604 126755 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow a null pinter exception in java WOWS < 1313480624 283714 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never believed it possible < 1313480627 361680 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's not a bug in my code < 1313480631 882536 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like when the impossible happens in GHC < 1313480641 120443 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :right! i've got the app to print digits 99-00 done < 1313480652 149888 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :App... < 1313480654 72446 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1313480671 120120 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you get a null pinter exception when you've finished your beer? < 1313480799 535751 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object oriented bottles of beer on the wall < 1313480824 901456 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :One bottle of beer... Take one down and pass it around, OutOfRangeException < 1313480890 71541 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-bit bottles < 1313480896 913319 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero bottles of beer on the wall, zero bottles of beer < 1313480901 454788 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh sorry, I think I have used unsigned < 1313480901 729504 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 bottles of beer on the wall. Take one down, ... java.awt.datatransfer.UnsupportedFlavorException < 1313480905 147945 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :255 bottles of beer on the wall < 1313480936 28030 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :1+i bottles of beer on the wall... Take i down and pass it around, 1 bottle of beer on the wall < 1313480988 262060 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMAGINARY BEER < 1313481040 38709 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: So you're asking whether [f ?] refers to (f x) or \x.(f x)? < 1313481050 992435 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: no < 1313481054 544746 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1313481061 569970 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1313481109 753072 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: I'm actually indirectly telling you that you're doing it wrong by asking how you reached (bad conclusion) < 1313481115 112601 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a song for evincar, it's called I'm a evincar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKiMOFkV2kM < 1313481129 858177 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ears < 1313481133 43085 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1313481134 33495 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaker alert < 1313481145 599740 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PatashuWarg: Thanks < 1313481147 697476 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1313481150 166697 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emmm. Why are you uploading music, which already here? < 1313481150 239334 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whatever. I already got this song and another 62 albums =) < 1313481150 311512 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GordonFrohman74 1 year ago < 1313481158 733352 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1313481160 424080 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :62 whole albums < 1313481166 603076 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :renard makes a ton of music < 1313481177 257433 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing he has more of than songs is aliases < 1313481186 452421 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, holy shit, I thought I was going to die with that volume < 1313481190 456994 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you call this genre? < 1313481194 145660 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speedcore < 1313481254 852164 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: as before, I'm asking why you got \x.g(fx), rather than g(\x.fx), from [g [f ?]], which is a specific case of trying to do (thing I do not know how to describe in the general case help) < 1313481265 586624 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313481279 837453 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minor speaker warning, major obscure warning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb8ZFYSg1Tw&feature=related < 1313481298 664344 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the opposite of speedcore < 1313481305 254122 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowcore < 1313481326 540989 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, definite urinating horse warning < 1313481327 132178 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Einstürzende Neubauten are... quite a thing < 1313481336 267909 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep I'm a urinating horse < 1313481361 515796 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: All [f ?] does is say "for argument x, rather than substitute f, substitute [f x]". < 1313481367 456243 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that bad help < 1313481368 94250 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Favorite band of the last 8 years, which gives them a run only rivalled by the Beatles < 1313481375 785912 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: [f [g ?] ?] < 1313481376 270068 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this < 1313481379 7105 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x -> f (g x) x < 1313481379 341922 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1313481383 314683 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x -> f (\y -> g y) x < 1313481399 934525 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the latter, then ?s can only be referenced at one level of application < 1313481408 200916 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: so it's really g(\x.fx)? < 1313481408 533218 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the former, then _no_ implicit lambda can contain another < 1313481413 994916 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leads to horrible refactoring problems < 1313481422 221008 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you nest an application in another its meaning can change massively < 1313481429 533508 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW80JfXLZGs&feature=related < 1313481515 856290 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg9kAuiBLp4&feature=related < 1313481516 324348 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. It's a bit late for me to figure this out. < 1313481535 750932 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcd7mJRvrng&feature=related < 1313481539 687232 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: quality album art on the second one there < 1313481548 741575 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention that I didn't say this language was isomorphic to lambda calculus. < 1313481558 827794 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet we've had to semi-consistently treat it like it is. < 1313481560 801269 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can't translate simple lambda calculus notation to your language then lol. < 1313481563 922116 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Smile for the proto-man < 1313481570 564066 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: No, the one after that < 1313481576 335915 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNhvcgVihLE&feature=related < 1313481579 354603 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: the ambiguity remains, regardless < 1313481584 909557 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, the horse? < 1313481604 361877 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2iIi3d9ZQY&feature=related < 1313481611 563614 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGif7fHaOGw&feature=related < 1313481620 281061 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is now a noise music channel < 1313481643 782250 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardly counts as noise < 1313481645 361927 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to cop out and say "depends on arity" and "have come up with syntax to resolve ambiguities &c. don't worry yourself". < 1313481657 198318 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Throbbing Gristle more your style? < 1313481670 3407 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: If I can distinguish it from Merzbow, it's not noise < 1313481677 729128 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now off to sleep. < 1313481680 133390 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Well, that's fair < 1313481693 68253 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I roughly define "noise music" as "the point at which my eclectic taste runs out of patience and goes to listen to something melodic" :-P < 1313481736 509806 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of Neubauten is not this melodic. I'm just trying to soften up the channel's mainstream defenses~ < 1313481741 873461 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: What do you think of John Cage? < 1313481767 681087 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't be getting into this. < 1313481777 331634 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't put 4'33" in ~/Music, if that's what you're asking < 1313481788 705485 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolf Eyes is good, as well < 1313481818 972695 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of Merzbow, do you have Multiplication? < 1313481837 853419 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me? < 1313481855 332783 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It's a neat album < 1313481893 918175 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not fond. His work is only meaningful in that it rejects meaning in the context of work that doesn't. < 1313481917 948084 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are a philistine. This has already been established. < 1313481939 329518 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1313481951 558938 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1313481958 905701 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's even more pretentious than everything else you say < 1313481963 703899 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1313481966 454797 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1313481971 207583 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sorta calling him out on his pretentious bullshit. < 1313481977 8425 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it has to be. < 1313482001 872427 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, John Cage can be summed up as "MEANING? LOLNOPE" < 1313482032 604745 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i literally just slapped myself on the forehead three times hard enough to hurt so that I could express how painful this is for me < 1313482039 348590 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianos asplode, several minutes of silence, many radios &c. < 1313482047 943667 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretension requires pretense.~ < 1313482090 533073 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all that deliberately provocative, deliberately meaningless crap that's supposed to have meaning by virtue of its uselessness. < 1313482104 333090 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like an awful lot of reading into things. < 1313482107 529772 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning is an illusion < 1313482112 657170 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning is context. < 1313482116 809069 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut the fuck up. < 1313482117 535639 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe John Cage just wanted to fuck about with pianos without the constraints of regular music. < 1313482120 742481 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Context is a fallacy. < 1313482122 682260 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some people enjoy that. < 1313482161 375715 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if he enjoys it. He can enjoy it all bloody afternoon. But it's not composition. It's deliberately not composition. < 1313482173 960650 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the fact that he's recognised for "deliberately not composing" is mildly absurd. < 1313482175 530627 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its application < 1313482187 426541 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I see what you did there. < 1313482187 865454 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry #esoteric < 1313482200 424733 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You win three internets. < 1313482221 687485 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: In that sense, you and Cage are of one sort. < 1313482241 424595 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Yes, but probably not in the way you're about to tell me. < 1313482256 767197 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: He's recognised because he did interesting things and people were like "hey maybe we can do things withou t these constraints" < 1313482267 826669 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you just not like experimentation full stop and don't see how it's a notable character trait at all < 1313482269 502027 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case lol < 1313482273 170559 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it wasn't interesting. < 1313482279 654072 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love experimentation. < 1313482282 93069 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: I wasn't going to tell you anything. The joke was already there. < 1313482339 800216 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Man, FUCK HASKELL. ALGOL was good enough for my forebears, it's fucking good enough for me! < 1313482374 22400 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, but when people go on endlessly about whether 4'33" is music or not? < 1313482374 706229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 5 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1313482378 531096 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's unbearable. < 1313482405 275878 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sounds like what evincar's doing to me. < 1313482417 991624 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically evincar is complaining "he's notable for 'not-composing' which I think is silly", which is stupid. < 1313482420 453566 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to all of us < 1313482432 250961 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's notable for doing interesting things, and if you whine about that W / E < 1313482469 156307 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: But you must admit (and my point is) that his work wouldn't be interesting if there weren't structure for him to reject. < 1313482475 460207 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the point. < 1313482479 188661 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1313482495 11523 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So his work is defined in terms of everything but itself. < 1313482507 413601 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who gives a shit < 1313482509 11240 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's inherently and necessarily devoid of any meaningful content. < 1313482514 34009 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an arbitrary classification you're imposing on it < 1313482516 865009 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bake a cake < 1313482518 343495 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not musical < 1313482522 663235 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not related to giraffes in the slightest < 1313482526 726278 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it defined by everything but itself < 1313482536 934039 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it not be interesting if there weren't any cooking rules for me to reject by not cooking < 1313482538 599683 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bullshit < 1313482540 610079 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fucking cake < 1313482542 826624 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eat it and shut up < 1313482543 962280 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you expect credit for the things that it isn't? < 1313482548 594586 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1313482553 546957 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least shut up < 1313482556 936474 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You expect it to be a cake and that's it. < 1313482560 727679 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you do < 1313482566 687467 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that Cage's point < 1313482567 768079 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you shut the fuck up and eat your cake because you're an excellent baker goddammit. < 1313482570 460086 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really interested in this at all < 1313482577 475701 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a goblin siege to break < 1313482579 246151 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: I expect 4'33" to be 4'33" of silence, and it is < 1313482598 248029 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected that as well < 1313482641 252323 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. Then at least you're appreciating Cage's work for what it is, which is directly counter to his goals. < 1313482653 957369 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning is a farce. Things are (or, more likely, aren't). < 1313482658 200998 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :His goals don't matter < 1313482669 663454 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's dead < 1313482695 686688 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't really matter while he was alive, either < 1313482719 182307 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know Cage's goals?/ < 1313482720 123252 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1313482721 286802 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wowza < 1313482735 526186 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mental image of Cage is a lot less pretentious than the shit you're projecting on to him < 1313482735 963429 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :His stated goals, at least. < 1313482745 584709 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was a nice guy anyway. < 1313482754 820521 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I'd have loved to sit down and chat with him. < 1313482833 127578 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was, after all, a student of Zen, which is where he got many of his ideas about rejecting form. < 1313482848 412934 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah blah Zen, blah blah form. < 1313482852 38478 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think he went to the wrong extreme. < 1313482928 824344 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, I'm not winning any fans. Time for sleep. < 1313482934 988515 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-222-158-33.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net QUIT :Quit: Fwomp. < 1313483087 178967 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's not really dead, anyway. This is just his longest composition. It's called 9998424'21.258" < 1313483103 198723 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least it was a few minutes ago < 1313483643 790209 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-78.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313483663 961021 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-204-20.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1313484472 500626 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313485040 542690 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When playing D&D, I nearly always end up thinking ahead five or ten sessions. < 1313485080 149340 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/nearly always/usually/ < 1313485105 727454 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like you'd be good at chess < 1313485111 378591 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I win: 990G /archive/music < 1313485132 496347 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Only if it's lossy < 1313485157 763397 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do play chess sometimes. I am not as good at it as at D&D or pokemon card though < 1313485158 747479 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of it is, some of it isn't < 1313485203 649131 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to ask the other players to think ahead but they will not think ahead even one session < 1313485229 639501 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've... < 1313485235 204327 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never actually played DnD < 1313485255 217982 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with Amnesia: the Dark Descent, it's the closest I've got to playing a game without actually playing < 1313485264 398409 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DM tries to think ahead but gets it wrong at least half the time, and sometimes I tell him about some things and he didn't realized it < 1313485292 517 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I also sometimes get it wrong, but it is necessary to adapt what the situation is. < 1313485403 322869 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your character is a Wizard then you have to prepare spells and it requires to think ahead; but most of the stuff I think ahead about has nothing to do with preparing spells. < 1313485478 129798 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the current situation of the game, the thing I think ahead just one session is that we are given the guest uniforms of the navy and our old clothing has been destroyed by the navy. < 1313485524 798112 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you're being press-ganged into the navy? < 1313485554 914885 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. The old clothing has been destroyed because it is just rags used during slavery, and we are escaped from slavery < 1313485562 830135 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1313485573 668142 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to have breakfast now. < 1313485596 429409 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A full transcript is available in case you want to read it: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1313485643 716641 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Printing level 6 = most detailed, each level includes everything of levels before it) < 1313485779 8783 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ find /archive/music -type f -regextype posix-egrep -not -iregex '.*\.(flac|tta|ape|wv)($|\..*)' -exec du -bc {} + | awk '/total$/{s+=$1}END{print s/1024^3}' < 1313485782 517679 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :159.364 < 1313485784 847062 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Better? < 1313485843 91850 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yep, now you don't win :-) < 1313485852 910703 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's winning < 1313485884 624601 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: DUnno < 1313485889 675701 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who isn't you < 1313485895 938414 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you know < 1313485903 740436 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, you see, I had shown that the structural layout of any proof of Fermat's Last Theorem--if one existed--could be described by an elegant formula, which, it so happened, depended on the values of a solution to a certain equation. When I found this second equation, to my surprise it turned out to be the Fermat equation." < 1313485914 297450 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Because < 1313485928 271625 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1313485944 567366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you mean a load of values (a,b,c,2)? < 1313485996 787685 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, I mean where n>2 (in other words, the proof requires a counterexample). I don't know if this is true but it is in some book < 1313486002 603057 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I'm not convinced < 1313486004 635962 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't know if there any other theorems like that < 1313486010 427285 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I am < 1313486027 623832 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :define "structural layout" < 1313486060 674567 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: That doesn't help in convincing me but I guess you don't care < 1313486076 643037 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. This was part of one of the paragraphs spoken by the Tortoise in a dialog. < 1313486085 379207 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Good conversation, this < 1313486104 16740 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I think I disagree with that too < 1313486162 927777 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: the reason of existance of hipsters is to provoke you to talk about how much you hate them < 1313486172 683808 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this way, you have been posthumously trolled. < 1313486261 259371 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313486265 142089 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :With positive integers $a$, $b$, $c$, and $n$, the equation $a^n+b^n=c^n$ has infinite solutions when $n=2$ but no solutions with $n>2$. The equation $n^a+n^b=n^c$ has the same property but with an easier proof. < 1313486470 120245 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you see this is the case? < 1313486488 521402 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh @Number10Cat < 1313486498 602723 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can prove the second one easily, although I don't know much about the formal proof of it < 1313486535 911505 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one is Fermat's Last Theorem < 1313486577 240094 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if n < 2? < 1313486624 381068 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh since its a positive integer < 1313486634 791469 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If $n=1$ then the first one has infinite solutions but the second one has none. < 1313486698 365155 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second one has been called "Johant Sebastiant's Well-Tested Conjecture" in Hofstadter's book. < 1313486721 759395 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like playing with pythagorus theorum < 1313486726 44844 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you see why this is these are the case? < 1313486727 583896 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh < 1313486773 784882 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that pythagorus was lucky in that he was around at a time when math not so big as it is now < 1313486795 86845 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he gets to be associated with a^2+b^2=c^2 forever < 1313486800 239261 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also... hated beans? < 1313486813 959802 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or loved beans so he didn't eat them < 1313486825 916898 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point is, he believed people re-incarnated as beans < 1313486828 313365 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, he didn't eat beans. < 1313486860 980039 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: pythagoras. < 1313486894 798193 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know for sure because I did not live at that time. < 1313486910 798011 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not like my native language borrows heavily from greek... how should i know these spellings < 1313486940 722770 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1313486947 939021 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Education? < 1313486958 211119 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And which language are we talking about < 1313486962 267682 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :english :P < 1313486972 996909 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, where did the word philosopher come from? < 1313486975 960002 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup :-P < 1313486979 343694 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did all the ologies? < 1313486986 485763 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And logic? < 1313486986 984985 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a dark sarcasm < 1313486997 99777 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I hate those. < 1313487002 453793 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, carry on < 1313487027 527286 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was as if to say.. i should have known how to spell it since my native language borrows so heavily from greek :-s < 1313487036 592621 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313487084 588349 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm gorus... that sounds roman < 1313487106 30530 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh what have i done to you pythagoras < 1313487120 108001 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have defiled your name with the romans < 1313487127 650339 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gave him a dozen crates full of hippos < 1313487179 954887 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooo < 1313487252 302145 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the record... you did very good at pointing out some specific places where english borrows greek < 1313487275 133808 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't have any specifics in mind < 1313487298 364472 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pediatrician < 1313487303 592798 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xylophone < 1313487314 416657 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1313487356 185442 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1313487359 140480 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Have you seen my implementation of Constantinople and is it suitable to you? < 1313487379 363960 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not seen it < 1313487384 272756 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I saw that it exists < 1313487388 375937 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence my msg smiley < 1313487390 653884 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am making an esolang named Istanbul < 1313487397 601327 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Msg smiley? < 1313487403 445002 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In lambdabot < 1313487412 867852 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I msged you "Thanks :)" < 1313487417 544664 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1313487419 467846 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please write me messages in the wiki instead. < 1313487422 990161 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant to, anyway < 1313487441 632885 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also downloaded it twice < 1313487443 348896 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also please be more specific. < 1313487532 764812 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: OK. Have you looked at it? Have you read it? Can you try it? Do you have Haskell in your computer? What do you think is the computational class of Constantinople, and why? < 1313487574 227993 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, ish, sort of, turing complete, isomorphism with Boolfuck < 1313487594 317364 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My implementation is in public domain so you are free to modify it or whatever else you want to do with it < 1313487641 988461 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: s/isomorphism/reduction/ < 1313487645 769841 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean isomorphism < 1313487664 226623 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am quit now, so anything else you have to say about that implementation you should write in the Talk:Constantinople < 1313487667 15341 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1313487674 135540 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translation, I'll go for < 1313487714 930782 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone ever bother actually writing isomorphisms < 1313487771 924428 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only for BF derivatives < 1313487821 157075 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be more useful for sub-tc languages, or for demonstrating that a real spooky language isn't super-tc, I guess < 1313488139 636127 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Incidentally, you *can* madvise(addr, len, MADV_MERGEABLE) all your (hopefully page-aligned) separate copies, and the kernel (since 2.6.32, when KSM is enabled) will merge identical pages. But that's admittedly a *far* more clumsy solution than actually starting from a COW duplicate. < 1313488287 487402 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How do I cope it first, though < 1313488289 521116 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy < 1313488396 554098 :Monster!~diabolo@frbg-5f7321c3.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313488424 368585 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :By copying; that's the problem. The only thing you save is memory, not time. < 1313488579 619409 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1313488587 255583 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's sixteen megs, so copying it every cycle is... how do I put it... < 1313488592 424105 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less than ideal? < 1313488613 909445 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may have to just do copy-on-write in userland without the help of hardwear. < 1313488617 607843 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of perverse curiosity, _would_ looking at /proc/self/mem and mmapping a private copy of the mapping DTRT? < 1313488617 857521 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linus having them manners in a thread about FreeBSD's COW-based zero-copy socket thing: http://sprunge.us/dCUj < 1313488631 297617 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow doubt it. < 1313488639 499893 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, why not? < 1313488779 632335 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the /proc files aren't really real files. I'm not saying it wouldn't work, I just wouldn't count on it working. (mmaping needs to be supported by the file system of the backing file in question, or it returns ENODEV.) < 1313488804 671405 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it *could* DTRT if they've thought of that. < 1313488839 207199 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1313488879 641169 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> mmap.mmap(open('/proc/self/mem').fileno(), 99) < 1313488879 890762 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): < 1313488879 973500 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "", line 1, in < 1313488880 45935 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmap.error: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor < 1313488880 863881 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Welp. < 1313488885 865979 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wonder if it'd work on /dev/mem...) < 1313488895 983514 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"See proc_mem_operations in /usr/src/linux/fs/proc/base.c: /proc/.../mem does not support mmap." -- http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5216326/mmap-on-proc-pid-mem < 1313488905 552853 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how hard that would be to add :) < 1313489175 944025 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DTRT? < 1313489273 990789 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313489322 435837 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, if you don't need to modify the "old" copy at the same time, you can do a "userspace" COW by mprotect'ing the old stuff to PROT_READ only, having sort-of "manual page tables" (that's just one level of indirection) that point to the old stuff, and then catching the segfault on write and in the handler mprotect the page back to read-write (so you can restart the write without disassembling the code in question to get the new pointer in place), and also ma < 1313489322 507761 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :king a new read-only copy and updating the "old copy's" tables to point to that one. < 1313489351 470668 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Each copy is only mutated at construction-time, so that could work. < 1313489367 866203 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (Basically, modelling a pure update as "copy, mutate".) < 1313489449 338275 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or use a ramdisk and LVM copy-on-write snapshots on it. :p < 1313489468 686341 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: might not work, is bizarre/braindead in any case.) < 1313489473 965812 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeeeeeeees. < 1313489800 347524 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle a -> (a -> m a) -> m a < 1313489801 178323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Generics.Aliases extMp :: (MonadPlus m, Typeable a, Typeable b) => (a -> m a) -> (b -> m b) -> a -> m a < 1313489801 677112 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Generics.Aliases extM :: (Monad m, Typeable a, Typeable b) => (a -> m a) -> (b -> m b) -> a -> m a < 1313489801 749646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Data gfoldl :: Data a => (c (d -> b) -> d -> c b) -> (g -> c g) -> a -> c a < 1313489990 516066 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty flip id < 1313489992 8285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. a -> (a -> b) -> b < 1313490037 469249 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes yes. < 1313490061 667321 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1313490066 361684 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No.) < 1313490070 144828 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wanted foreverWithAnArumgent,) < 1313490172 504947 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :foreverWithAnArgument? < 1313490375 403109 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: flip (runReaderT . forever . ReaderT) < 1313490646 315880 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313490826 698662 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1313490845 499895 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1313490904 348816 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1313490913 299928 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313491076 709498 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: He's a big quitter he is. < 1313491323 572079 :Taneb!~taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313491717 132904 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-67.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313491719 843077 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-78.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1313491720 15131 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FillRect is the thing to set individual pixels of an SDL surface, right? < 1313491900 34308 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose for most purposes you will need SDL_LockSurface + manual mangling of surface->pixels, but that means you need to understand surface->format. < 1313491917 963472 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if it's a hardware surface, because FillRect will probably end up locking it for each individual call. < 1313491970 939265 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Weeeell, hSDL offers no such access. < 1313491973 699030 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sigh.) < 1313492063 61521 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm. Well, for setting an individual pixel SDL_FillRect does the job. Calling it in a tight loop will just probably do some amount of extra work. < 1313492156 914 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, starting to think that SDL just doesn't expose enough for this to be efficient here. < 1313492158 589261 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hSDL, that is. < 1313492176 779590 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could use OpenGL. < 1313493588 110169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1313493667 689749 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313495011 73959 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313495227 638510 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel so ronery: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Binodu#99_bottles_of_beer < 1313496367 678058 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Out of cuminosity, what order are SDL's pixels stored in? < 1313496372 39600 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Column or row? < 1313496455 239495 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rows, where each row is separated by surface->pitch bytes, which might or might not be the same value as surface->w * surface->h * surface->format->BytesPerPixel. < 1313496470 951986 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313496474 906301 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I mean surface->w * surface->format->BytesPerPixel, of course. < 1313496493 159695 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically speaking the first sentence is also true, but only because it's a tautology. < 1313496504 655074 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hnng, right. (I'm implementing BytePusher because why not.) < 1313496512 375027 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A value of ZZ means: pixel(XX, YY) is at address ZZYYXX." < 1313496516 230016 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite an ackward format. < 1313496523 31397 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can either blit it manually every frame, or redirect writes there. < 1313496525 852064 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect blitting it will be faster. < 1313496588 225680 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very hardwaristic thing, to be able to position the page wherever. < 1313496643 345579 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BytePusher is not the most elegant thing, I would say. < 1313496857 644660 :Monster!~diabolo@frbg-5f7321c3.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1313496888 856425 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be possible to set up a SDL_Surface structure that describes the BytePusher video memory format, and then just call SDL_BlitSurface once per frame to show it on screen. < 1313496921 157281 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is that BytePusher format row- or column-? < 1313496937 559935 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, doesn't actually look like http://sdl.beuc.net/sdl.wiki/SDL_PixelFormat has anything for that, though < 1313496951 570798 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mask might be useful, or something; the BytePusher colours are the "web-safe" palette. < 1313496960 639362 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL does 8-bit palettized things, they're just done a bit differently. < 1313496964 285774 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 216 colors are organized into a 6*6*6 color cube (a.k.a the "websafe" palette). Each of the red, green and blue components can have an intensity value from 0 to 5. The formula to calculate a pixel's color value is: Red*36 + Green*6 + Blue. If the actual display device has 8-bit (00h-FFh) color components, we have to multiply each intensity value by 33h when blitting to the screen: < 1313496964 801414 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 1 2 3 4 5 < 1313496966 680948 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00 33 66 99 CC FF < 1313496973 774630 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a... thing. < 1313496982 109783 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that's just a palette. < 1313496985 547792 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1313497001 720136 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, so you can actually have an SDL_Surface indexed into a random pointer? < 1313497003 127507 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be nice. < 1313497017 77852 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'd have to relocate it at the end of every cycle, since you can move video memory around. < 1313497022 986134 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL_CreateRGBSurfaceFrom(, 256, 256, 8, 256, 0, 0, 0, 0) will make you an 8-bit surface with an empty palette. < 1313497033 498715 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's probably quite a lightweight operation. < 1313497038 21425 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. I wonder how efficient that is to do every sixtieth second. < 1313497060 57235 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can probably just repoint the 'pixels' member, even though it might not be exactly kosher. < 1313497101 418048 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has to have the right majorness, yeah? < 1313497140 871575 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it does. If pixel(XX,YY) is at ZZYYXX, that's "rows separated by a pitch of 256 bytes". < 1313497145 118531 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1313497196 512786 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do wonder if SDL_Blitting this to the screen won't do anything other than the obvious loop. < 1313497341 914415 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess is it's going to do the obvious loop, since it has to map to the screen pixel format via the palette anyway; nobody has 8-bits-wide palettized screen surfaces any more. < 1313497394 659258 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose that *could* be hardware-accelerated by an unusually clever SDL video driver somehow, purely in theory. < 1313497517 468133 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So basically, it would be simpler to just do the loop myself :P < 1313497528 726321 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I mean, SDL is retro enough that it's obviously going to do the loop. < 1313497596 680878 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; it has so many video drivers for all kinds of screwed-up hardware, it might be that one of those is actually going to optomize the blit for you. < 1313497603 671897 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :static __inline__ void SDL_memcpyMMX(Uint8 *to, const Uint8 *from, int len) < 1313497603 922268 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1313497603 994885 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int i; < 1313497603 995066 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : for(i=0; ipixels, because the calling code owns the memory anyway" thing sounds... safe-ish. < 1313498240 874245 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it probably matters all that much, it's just 256x256 pixels. (If you're going to be using fancy scalers, though, then you'll need to do that manually in any case.) < 1313498386 109095 :Taneb!~taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1313498406 994151 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, fancy scalers = probably times-two zoom. < 1313498784 863379 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a piece of real hardware, BytePusher's screen is particularly anemic. No sprites, no hardware scroll, no programmable palette, no mid-frame interrupts to do shenanigans, just in general no help from the hardware at all. < 1313498829 353882 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weeell, sprites and scrolling fall under "ugly" for me. < 1313498839 874301 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programmable palette and mid-frame interrupts are nice. < 1313498980 150077 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're features your regular video game console developer would expect, I think. (Well, or would have expected in the 1980/1990s, anyway. Today I suppose they expect high-level languages, programmable GPUs and whatnot.) < 1313499115 837605 :Taneb!~taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313499119 228673 :Taneb!~taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1313499128 81490 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313499160 894616 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313499163 444892 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, yes, but the average game developer would expect a few more instructions than MOVJMP, too. < 1313499177 704605 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though not many. :p) < 1313499320 517714 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It would be nice to see something like BytePusher with a less stupid input and display system. < 1313499331 824580 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And perhaps a nicer OISC; RSSB, perhaps? < 1313499340 43288 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although RSSB involves arithmetic, which is meh. < 1313499344 620921 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the one operand thing is nice. < 1313499624 465790 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-46.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1313500653 102608 :enawder`!~user@78.223.233.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1313500688 781046 :enawder!~enawder@78.223.233.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1313500713 160399 :enawder!~enawder@78.223.233.16 QUIT :Client Quit < 1313500848 396210 :Taneb!~taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1313501448 585004 :enawder`!~user@78.223.233.16 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1313501964 763892 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : uint32_t delay = first_tick + (ticks*50)/3 - SDL_GetTicks(); < 1313501970 239342 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out that multiplication overflows Quite Quickly. < 1313501980 860332 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't sixty FPS be a nice round number < 1313502841 565892 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1313503349 233884 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1313503754 996358 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably build a more sane loop system < 1313503800 568076 :Taneb!~taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313504275 545250 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313504342 212153 :CakeProphet!~adam@h126.26.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313504342 284732 :CakeProphet!~adam@h126.26.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313504342 284877 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313504645 721243 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1313504876 140469 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1313504992 72548 :CakeProphet!~adam@h4.40.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313504992 148562 :CakeProphet!~adam@h4.40.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313504992 148677 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313505772 338678 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accurding to Wolfram Alpha, a jiffy per smidgen is equal to 18.03 hours per cubic meter. < 1313505808 797890 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*according < 1313505947 451140 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :murder is wrong < 1313506230 629247 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1313506233 296801 :yxynaxen!~yxynaxen@mk089144229253.a1.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313506258 324268 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1313506266 640508 :yxynaxen!~yxynaxen@mk089144229253.a1.net PART :#esoteric < 1313506733 975220 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1313506842 781493 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1313506863 366730 :CakeProphet!~adam@h83.22.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313506863 475074 :CakeProphet!~adam@h83.22.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313506863 475140 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313507197 353485 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1313507232 149217 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1313507796 112404 :CakeProphet!~adam@h143.47.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313507796 222359 :CakeProphet!~adam@h143.47.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313507796 222508 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313508168 24897 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently webkit-sharp has an executeScript method, which allows me to access the DOM via javascript < 1313508175 696163 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when I try to use getElementById... I always get null. < 1313508197 390621 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW THANKS FOR BEING A USELESS WEBKIT BINDING < 1313508572 134150 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1313508689 70177 :CakeProphet!~adam@h22.11.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313508689 178995 :CakeProphet!~adam@h22.11.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313508689 179146 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313508781 184542 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm. < 1313509094 172744 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1313509539 959198 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1313509558 569470 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313509588 508909 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so happy with the world right now. < 1313509650 575121 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys I've got a great ideal for a novel slash existential crisis! < 1313509682 839957 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: the quest < 1313509683 726582 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: so i think i'll relocate to infodesk.) you should use scheme instead of say clisp? that's a timer :) < 1313509874 615896 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/1A80SYEL < 1313509879 80648 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this code looks completely reasonable right? < 1313509929 15952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hey guys I've got a great ideal for a novel slash existential crisis! < 1313509929 719645 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason document.getElementById would return null for pretty much everything is that the Webkit library is a piece of shit... right? < 1313509929 792204 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIGHT? < 1313509933 387962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEMAND DETAILS < 1313509946 475242 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's told from the perspective of an astronaut who's been tasked with exploring the galaxy for signs of intelligent life, at relativistic speeds. For him, ~20 years will pass while I spirals from the inside of the galaxy out, 'til he reaches Earth again. But from Earth's perspective, thousands of years will have passed. He finds nothing, and when he gets within receiving range of Earth, he receives directed transmissions (since his ship was designed to travel a < 1313509946 629316 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :t relativistic speeds, he is of course fully equipped to interpret extremely-high-frequency transmissions). They're from enthusiastic anthropologists and space-fans, speaking in broken English (it's been dead for a thousand years, after all), telling him about what has happened. But as he gets closer (and of course hundreds of years are still passing), they get more and more distressing, with extremely violent, prolonged rivalries broiling. As he gets closer, M < 1313509947 473991 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADD is invoked on Earth and all life is destroyed; humans have colonies on Mars and Venus (hence how he knows this), but they're not self-sufficient. He keeps approaching, but can only watch in desperation as the last human beings (excluding himself) die in isolated environments. When he arrives, he finds himself as the last surviving human, and to his knowledge, the last intelligent life in the galaxy. < 1313509995 858833 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so you mean it's an even more depressing version of Tau Zero? < 1313510033 403643 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I s'pose :P < 1313510043 379906 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All y'all people makin' my ideas derivative < 1313510071 897570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's MADD? < 1313510082 709094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mutually Assured Dalmation Destruction? < 1313510094 184281 :Taneb!~taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mutual Assured Deadly Death < 1313510097 257172 :Taneb!~taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1313510144 941263 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a typo of MAD :P < 1313510184 572353 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1313510208 450955 :CakeProphet!~adam@h138.51.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313510208 534926 :CakeProphet!~adam@h138.51.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313510208 607096 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313510215 459633 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :u madd? < 1313510350 859597 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, i've read a similar book < 1313510358 486334 :Taneb!~taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1313510363 240602 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it ... Tau Zero? :P < 1313510363 487284 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a bout a sentient robot that was built by humans < 1313510371 28241 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the humans then made animals talk < 1313510374 926006 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they made more robots too < 1313510387 567303 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it Sonic? < 1313510388 650127 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they had somehow created sentient ants < 1313510391 416778 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: X-D < 1313510397 683073 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sonic isn't a robot < 1313510398 808048 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways < 1313510403 708379 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the robot is immortal < 1313510407 893180 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the humans die out < 1313510412 513153 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: Well that's how Robotnik made 'im. < 1313510414 304914 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That jerk. < 1313510415 481669 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then all the animals die out < 1313510433 466147 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the ants build a huge superstructure that covers all of earth < 1313510443 489575 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and include other robots in their escapade and lift off in a spaceship < 1313510449 744562 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finally he's alone and left behind < 1313510460 184066 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sort of starts reminiscing. < 1313510464 494076 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a "simpler" way to do min(x-y, 0), time-wise? < 1313510468 410275 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For an unsigned int. < 1313510495 162460 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: if (x > y) x - y else 0 could be faster if 0 is common. < 1313510515 931113 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the x > y case, it's still a comparison and a subtraction *shrugs* < 1313510524 554964 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that subtractions are expensive :P < 1313510534 289666 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, I'd read that novel :P < 1313510534 587589 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, min, so y > x, not x > y, but yeah. < 1313510539 658363 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :z = x-y; if z<0 0 < 1313510595 700892 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, in c you could do some bit-banging but that's not really nice. < 1313510637 796212 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :c is the lower-case esoteric language version of C, where all identifiers and all data is lowercase < 1313510673 417479 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1313510681 781068 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: One very curious thing about BytePusher is the very large number of cycles per frame.. < 1313510687 482380 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's 'cuz BBJ sucks at doing anything < 1313510735 382165 :Taneb!~taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313510796 647003 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: I was assuming that was the canonical implementation. < 1313510800 395847 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 MHz, it's not *that* much. (Though it has a quite unrealistic "one instruction/cycle" architecture.) < 1313510802 423247 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: Also, I'd read that novel :P // it's too bad I can't write it 8-D < 1313510841 780886 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, it's BBJ; cycles are pretty consistent. < 1313510857 753065 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You've probably written about a tenth of it... I can't imagine it making a compelling full novel < 1313510872 968106 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair point, more like a novella. < 1313510876 655994 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or short story. < 1313510879 591709 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or very short story :P < 1313510885 144586 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or IRC-line story < 1313510889 671784 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1313510890 249129 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now rewrite it as six words and you've won < 1313510899 48807 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For sale: Baby shoes, never worn. < 1313510929 273499 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Back relativistically-- wow! Wait-- fuck, bye. < 1313510931 813136 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAILED IT. < 1313511064 757288 :CakeProphet!~adam@h64.9.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313511064 866937 :CakeProphet!~adam@h64.9.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313511064 867151 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313511071 509939 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, with a total of one instruction it's perhaps more reasonable to have all one instructions take equally long. < 1313511096 261590 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Although, admittedly, the move has to affect the reading of the jump location. < 1313511107 855436 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So two cycles seems more reasonable, from the little I understand of CPU architecture. < 1313511112 205557 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "cycle" is pretty arbitrary. < 1313511373 738540 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1313511473 868687 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I think it's fizzie against everyone atm AND EVERYONE IS WINNING EXCEPT FIZZIE < 1313511476 124817 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :598) I think it's fizzie against everyone atm AND EVERYONE IS WINNING EXCEPT FIZZIE < 1313511484 978863 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, _is_ there a way to get mmap to zero-pad a file? < 1313511494 869571 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, it's two bytes long, but I want the rest of the sixteen megs I want zeroed out. < 1313511496 229600 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1313511570 850084 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh by the way, I used the ftw(3) function the other day. < 1313511669 37791 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, so what OISC instruction is LEAST like subleq? < 1313511692 267095 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't like OISCs with arithmetic primitives :( < 1313511693 511768 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so ugly. < 1313511694 754603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :addgt < 1313511707 915836 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Adding is insufficient IIRC < 1313511734 750325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, addgt with negative numbers. < 1313511753 860770 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Negative numbers where? In the initial memory? < 1313511761 21950 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ... so exactly like subleq :P < 1313511771 209811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYWHERE < 1313511771 612693 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes yes yes, you were just reversing the constituent parts, har har) < 1313511779 48022 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory initialised to -infinity < 1313511798 910445 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1313511881 319358 :Taneb!~taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1313511936 464283 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have doubts that SLD_CreateRGBSurfaceFrom actually works :-P < 1313512413 245876 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It _should_. < 1313512421 728844 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :To _underline_ things, _too_. < 1313512513 469662 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it just does nothing sensical unless you explicitly set a palette? < 1313512596 828317 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1313512615 110936 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vOXg5eA < 1313512616 375219 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NoirPusher. < 1313512676 857125 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, the sine scroller doesn't work for some reason. :/ < 1313512713 181024 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the sprites thing starts but never displays no sprites. Huh. < 1313512720 346700 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems... logically impossible. < 1313512727 275452 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm just showing a constant image ors omething. < 1313513044 40079 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Right, it creates an empty palette by default for palettized surfaces. < 1313513055 798105 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-46.elisa.ee PART :#esoteric < 1313513198 215659 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. < 1313513202 759034 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : SDL_BlitSurface(surf, NULL, screen, NULL); < 1313513203 10199 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : SDL_Flip(screen); < 1313513207 33075 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks pretty conclusively blit-y to me. < 1313513312 5849 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it does. < 1313513375 429370 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally and not related to that, but the palette-mangling might conceivably take a non-zero (if close to zero) amount of CPU cycles (if SDL caches some omg-optomized palette-for-current-screen-pixel-format values or something), so you might want to still investigate the "create the surface with correct parameters once, then just reset surface->pixels" approach too. < 1313513407 79129 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm doing. < 1313513411 545232 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, hokay. < 1313513412 633208 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :static void draw_frame(SDL_Surface *screen) < 1313513412 840876 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1313513412 913149 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : word *vid_mem = mem + (peek(5) * 0x10000); < 1313513412 913313 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : surf->pixels = vid_mem; < 1313513412 913424 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : SDL_BlitSurface(surf, NULL, screen, NULL); < 1313513413 538206 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1313513429 376658 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It failed to show more than one frame even when I constructed it every frame, though < 1313513498 818959 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curioos. < 1313513515 79588 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On hardware that doesn't support double-buffering or if SDL_SWSURFACE was set, this is equivalent to calling SDL_UpdateRect(screen, 0, 0, 0, 0)" -- so it's not like SDL_Flip is wrong. < 1313513580 653165 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it should be just fine. < 1313513597 661013 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _suppose_ the < 1313513600 895757 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :static void poke(addr i, word x) < 1313513601 154672 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1313513601 227236 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mem[i] = x; < 1313513601 227408 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1313513605 284946 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :function could break by the second frame somehow. < 1313513642 700677 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that looks very brittle. Maybe you should reinforce the square brackets by something like mem[(((i)))] = x. < 1313513662 216361 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good. < 1313513732 6492 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm here's a topic that got a 21000 grant last year: measure theory in sub-riemannian geometries and applications to robotics < 1313513745 255333 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone shed some light on that :D < 1313513766 463681 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1313513780 468914 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, maybe I need some kind of SDL_LockSurface? < 1313513791 891645 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Between calls to SDL_LockSurface and SDL_UnlockSurface, you can write to and read from surface->pixels" -- it's my bloody array, but... < 1313513797 738428 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming he's going to send his robots into the sun or something < 1313513824 977589 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yeah, software surfaces shouldn't need locking. < 1313513826 962015 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, that doesn't fix things, alas. < 1313513846 986490 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Especially if you tried out the "construct it newly for each frame" approach, in that case it definitely shouldn't need any. < 1313513856 200899 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, indeed. < 1313513862 602210 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is prepluxing. :/ < 1313513896 808534 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could printf out the top-left 16x16 video memory pixels or something in your draw_frame, and then try to find some proggie that has changing content in that region. < 1313513911 343234 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to confirm IT KEEPS HAPPENING. < 1313513923 889739 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeees, I shall enter into the realm of zzo's munching squares. < 1313513986 956346 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably end up making an "XXXtra features" mode where it memory maps fun things like the palette. < 1313513990 76242 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like niceness. < 1313514005 815487 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wait, do munching squares ever actually hit the top-left < 1313514063 241542 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should. There's that diagonal line part of it. < 1313514076 492764 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I think it should. < 1313514121 475153 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's only one way to find out. Probably. < 1313514138 693799 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it... sure doesn't change the first three bytes from 0 here. < 1313514151 805719 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1313514153 360796 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess the problem is in the actual emulation; as they say in the hood, "what". < 1313514209 323704 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have it on good authority that this is what they say in the hood.) < 1313514414 516241 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1313514466 634014 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Parsec will automatically make up the correct error messages, I can see. It makes this message: expecting white space, "replace", "repeat", "in", "out", "end" or end of input < 1313514614 743675 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems a very good parser system. < 1313514903 154670 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Was it you. Did you break my system < 1313514938 769171 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I categorically deny such allegations. < 1313514946 953169 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can honestly say I'm not breaking your system right now. < 1313514966 422133 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM < 1313515050 343842 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :static addr pack_addr(word a, word b, word c) < 1313515050 592078 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1313515050 664513 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : return (a >> 16) | (b >> 8) | c; < 1313515050 664679 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1313515052 518651 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Discuss my idiocy < 1313515055 903661 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wait, is that right < 1313515153 366313 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming words are bytes, << sounds more like it. < 1313515159 897980 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yees < 1313515179 435261 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So presumably the palette worked because it has the VGA RAM pre-initialised < 1313515192 557940 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot, that has managed to completely not fi - oh there we go. < 1313515245 374459 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you doing? < 1313515263 203277 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BytePusher for the hell of it. < 1313515277 621706 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What is it with the scene and scrollers with text that goes on for chapters, out of interest < 1313515281 635701 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This sine scroller does it) < 1313515331 483617 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just a custom. They had those in the cracktros already, to advertise the group's BBS systems and 0-day warez and other such coolness-inducing things. < 1313515352 156951 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, I was wondering what the origin was of someone deciding to make someone get a headache for five minutes ;-) < 1313515362 609300 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand coolness over function, but putting all the information there seems silly :P < 1313515362 774721 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313515375 334597 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also those things must take years to write. < 1313515384 41636 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GREETZ TO A, B, C, D, [lists every person they've ever met]" < 1313515406 58808 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it would be bad manners to not greet someone who greets you. < 1313515418 896270 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha is that an actual thing < 1313515428 10496 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I just go greetin' random people and LOCK THEM INTO RECIPROCITY < 1313515460 810913 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not quite. you probably also need to do the greeting in some sort of a respectable product. And I think in general the greetz-lists have gotten shorter. < 1313515492 389304 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did the elite SCENE-NESS of it all push you into lowercase land there < 1313515493 140499 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes) < 1313515525 83048 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be fun to write demos but I'd write them all in Haskell and be a social outcast, here lies Elliott killed by marginalising himself in any social group he could possibly interact with on any level < 1313515592 296991 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you CAN write! < 1313515601 556233 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, but Gregor::novel is write-only. < 1313515607 995314 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: I CAN not :P < 1313515618 962623 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you CAN write, except no one can READ it. < 1313515633 873124 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the schoredinger's novel < 1313515634 156717 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believe me, I CAN't < 1313515642 518927 :Taneb!~taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313515645 438051 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b-but < 1313515772 697493 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, do you think wolfgang lambda is the next coming of jesus < 1313515871 191409 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do YOUUUUUUUUUUU??? < 1313515884 776111 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1313516528 139913 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1313516561 528852 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313517190 9878 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you explain Einsteinian relativity without using any words (that includes numbers, which must be written out as words) longer than four letters? < 1313517203 783354 :Taneb!~taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go fast, it seems slow < 1313517211 941725 :Taneb!~taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*look, not seem < 1313517220 828615 :Taneb!~taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1313517500 263577 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a confusing no < 1313517796 81526 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313518033 932572 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in english? < 1313518083 54808 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you explain einsteinian relativity without using any words longer than four letters? (that includes numbers, which must be written out as words.) < 1313518104 281955 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes I do mean English. < 1313518112 223576 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I ... might want to make massive rewrites to mudem. < 1313518113 941044 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is so dumb that < 1313518128 340218 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Go on < 1313518131 618330 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he couldn't even understand the question of whether you can do that because some of the words were over 4 letters < 1313518159 60373 :Taneb!~taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what we talk in but easy? < 1313518161 219908 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's fairly shitty, I know :) < 1313518161 938359 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once found a long document that someone has done actually done so. Including the name "Albert Einstein" has been shortened to "Al". < 1313518162 521975 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what? long word, can't grok < 1313518214 46798 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1313518222 916017 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you refind, please link < 1313518250 743204 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/txt/al.html < 1313518260 490647 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen it too. < 1313518271 489798 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Brian Raiter of ESOLANG POP CULTURE FAME < 1313518318 655267 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Izzy and Al. < 1313518384 242094 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone used SDL's audio API < 1313518413 493938 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used SDL's audio, my BytePusher implementation uses it < 1313518442 314331 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've dabbled with it too. < 1313518470 405884 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Shhhh, I'm NIHing. We pretend other implementations of the thing don't exist when I'm NIHing. < 1313518497 70445 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why would SDL_OpenAudio hang my program < 1313518498 539965 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not fail or anything < 1313518499 505672 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just hang < 1313518573 296092 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that shouldn't happen; it doesn't start any playback at that point yet. Unless it's waiting for a busy device or something silly. < 1313518603 666554 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : des.freq = 15360; < 1313518603 916540 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : des.format = AUDIO_S8; < 1313518603 988491 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : des.channels = 1; < 1313518603 988579 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : des.samples = 4096; < 1313518603 988625 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : des.callback = audio_callback; < 1313518604 648929 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : des.userdata = NULL; < 1313518607 976302 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might my callback be messed up? < 1313518617 72499 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it without trying to make it correct at all or thinking < 1313518622 68217 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd assume that it waits for unpause before buffering < 1313518623 445135 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's wrong < 1313518626 414654 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's even called until you unpause. < 1313518632 245072 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1313518642 407225 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I could certainly be wrong too. < 1313518666 962860 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb and break and look at the backtrace and curse your SDL copy for not including debugging symbols? < 1313518700 105859 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) set args Munching_Squares.BytePusher < 1313518700 355314 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) start < 1313518700 426917 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Temporary breakpoint 1 at 0x400c50 < 1313518700 427110 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting program: /home/elliott/Code/bytepusher/bytepusher Munching_Squares.BytePusher < 1313518700 427218 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] < 1313518700 605019 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Temporary breakpoint 1, 0x0000000000400c50 in main () < 1313518702 545210 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) cont < 1313518704 381489 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuing. < 1313518706 416926 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[New Thread 0x7fffef1fa700 (LWP 14938)] < 1313518708 442829 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Thread 0x7fffef1fa700 (LWP 14938) exited] < 1313518708 609672 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313518710 557931 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[New Thread 0x7fffef1fa700 (LWP 14939)] < 1313518712 454169 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it hangs. < 1313518716 418307 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should build with -g. :p < 1313518718 389284 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#0 0x00007ffff7b7bb8d in ?? () from /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0 < 1313518720 435978 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 0x00007ffff7b4f054 in SDL_OpenAudio () from /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0 < 1313518722 625288 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#2 0x0000000000400cc2 in main () < 1313518724 470053 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, useful. < 1313518731 151459 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, very. < 1313518762 493358 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're holding its lock or something < 1313518799 656970 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Ubuntu even bothers to have a -dbg package for SDL. < 1313518826 845202 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have to initialise audio after video? < 1313518828 626558 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, sounds, uh, wrong. < 1313518831 140261 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I doubt it. < 1313518882 759879 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds wrong? that should be a clue that sdl has done it exactly like that :P < 1313518903 696245 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're separate components. < 1313518908 442605 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see wut u did thar. < 1313518909 735790 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My SDL-audio-using app does SDL_Init(SDL_INIT_TIMER | SDL_INIT_AUDIO | SDL_INIT_VIDEO); don't think it matters in which order you call OpenAudio vs. SetVideoMode. < 1313518927 758590 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Me too. Except audio after video. Do you think that matters? ;-) < 1313518996 864805 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe the bits get orred in the wrong order. Maybe audio|video|audio for safety. < 1313519032 716926 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could put something noisy (abort()?) in your callback, but I doubt it's getting called. < 1313519036 846184 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1313519044 100028 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313519063 991729 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In olden times I'd believe it was just blocking on open("/dev/dsp"), but... < 1313519072 892976 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's not. < 1313519074 775953 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace it too?-) < 1313519076 25327 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Calling the callback.) < 1313519088 320012 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clone(child_stack=0x7fc517a31fb0, flags=CLONE_VM|CLONE_FS|CLONE_FILES|CLONE_SIGHAND|CLONE_THREAD|CLONE_SYSVSEM|CLONE_SETTLS|CLONE_PARENT_SETTID|CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID, parent_tidptr=0x7fc517a329d0, tls=0x7fc517a32700, child_tidptr=0x7fc517a329d0) = 15062 < 1313519088 486611 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :futex(0x20dd180, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 0, NULL) = 0 < 1313519088 558886 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rt_sigaction(SIGSEGV, NULL, {SIG_DFL, [], 0}, 8) = 0 < 1313519088 559049 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rt_sigaction(SIGSEGV, {0x7fc520386cc0, [], SA_RESTORER, 0x7fc52002fc20}, NULL, 8) = 0 < 1313519088 734924 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rt_sigaction(SIGBUS, NULL, {SIG_DFL, [], 0}, 8) = 0 < 1313519090 807481 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rt_sigaction(SIGBUS, {0x7fc520386cc0, [], SA_RESTORER, 0x7fc52002fc20}, NULL, 8) = 0 < 1313519092 806525 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rt_sigaction(SIGFPE, NULL, {SIG_DFL, [], 0}, 8) = 0 < 1313519094 765439 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rt_sigaction(SIGFPE, {0x7fc520386cc0, [], SA_RESTORER, 0x7fc52002fc20}, NULL, 8) = 0 < 1313519096 931111 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rt_sigaction(SIGQUIT, NULL, {SIG_DFL, [], 0}, 8) = 0 < 1313519098 861506 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rt_sigaction(SIGQUIT, {0x7fc520386cc0, [], SA_RESTORER, 0x7fc52002fc20}, NULL, 8) = 0 < 1313519100 749252 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rt_sigaction(SIGALRM, NULL, {SIG_DFL, [], 0}, 8) = 0 < 1313519102 535610 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rt_sigaction(SIGALRM, {SIG_IGN, [], SA_RESTORER, 0x7fc52002fc20}, NULL, 8) = 0 < 1313519106 793548 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly it all makes sense < 1313519176 585873 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1313519195 800520 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1313519206 167836 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noisy. Did you have -f (follow-forks) for strace? Not sure if threads count. Though I would guess it's unlikely to *hang* if the audio thread gets borksored. < 1313519278 149704 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, _hang_. < 1313519298 563804 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1313519330 521244 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Awayish.) < 1313519336 506704 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wow. < 1313519337 948838 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That causes < 1313519340 522637 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[pid 15112] nanosleep({0, 1000000}, 0x7f469acf9df0) = 0 < 1313519341 407461 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forever < 1313519365 199283 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeatedly sleeping for 1ms then? < 1313519410 28192 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[pid 15170] <... futex resumed> ) = 1 < 1313519410 278172 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what comes before that < 1313519725 259974 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's I think a common pattern in SDL, the repeated sleeping. < 1313519743 688356 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Poor man's yield." < 1313519746 860084 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL sure is...s hit. < 1313519747 869589 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly the timer thread. < 1313519749 138252 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit. < 1313519810 489853 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ais523 commented here recently that in some thread it loops a fixed-length (maybe 1ms) nanosleep and a gettimeofday() waiting for the promised time to come. < 1313519826 119048 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow don't want to use SDL any more. < 1313519839 857728 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's the de-facto standard. < 1313519859 15733 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much stuff actually uses SDL < 1313519862 67154 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to SDL + OpenGL < 1313519866 577925 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is rather different < 1313519901 676997 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, old-and-strictly-2D stuff probably might use pure SDL. < 1313519905 210922 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also mcmap. :p < 1313519945 728377 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the level down from SDL is while still staying portable < 1313519952 239017 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, ignoring hardware acceleration < 1313519964 233347 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :only wrong people do 3d < 1313519986 188108 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd dimensions are odd < 1313520046 374297 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also was dimension originally a synonym for an obituary < 1313520052 945817 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checking SDL_OpenAudio for things that might concievably hang at a depth of one, like in your call stack. It calls SDL_InitSubSystem(SDL_INIT_AUDIO) if it hasn't been initialized, but you already do that. Then it calls the audio driver's ->OpenAudio, that might easily hang. Finally it spawns the audio thread and returns immediately. < 1313520072 728071 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose "inside the audio driver" is the most likely case, of those. < 1313520136 689204 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try "SDL_AUDIODRIVER=pulse ./myproggie"? :) PulseAudio's your friend, as everyone knows. < 1313520181 444943 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It was opening pulse files in strace, so < 1313520194 570056 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: No Road < 1313520203 898811 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUDIODRIVER=oss works :-) < 1313520215 488609 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Pulse, you piece of shit < 1313520234 823880 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, heh. < 1313520264 822134 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to make something actually audible < 1313520266 159070 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now < 1313520309 145828 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1313520310 812630 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :static void audio_callback(void *userdata, word *stream, int len) < 1313520310 978580 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1313520311 50729 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : unsigned i; < 1313520311 50902 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : for (i = 0; i < len; i++) < 1313520311 51011 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : stream[i] = rand(); < 1313520311 925995 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1313520318 964980 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suspicious that this makes no sound at all, not even a popping < 1313520578 604790 :CakeProphet!~adam@h97.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313520578 676608 :CakeProphet!~adam@h97.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313520578 676698 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313520628 419595 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There's a gay rights organization arguing for Bert and Ernie to come out of the closet. But what I don't understand is, what do you even gain by Bert and Ernie being gay?" "Depends on whether you're Bert or Ernie." < 1313520706 867207 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1313521524 803960 :asiekierka!~kouta@078088171091.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1313521726 228688 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Help have you used SDL's audio stuff. < 1313521744 524225 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1313521816 297495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1313521830 590232 :CakeProphet!~adam@h170.28.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313521830 662147 :CakeProphet!~adam@h170.28.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313521830 662198 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313521856 454946 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1313521905 519318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott_ < 1313521932 215243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders which of the people who said hi as soon as I joined is planning to start a conversation with me, if any
< 1313521962 262022 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, () < 1313522023 956289 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: me < 1313522030 667872 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how does sdl audio work, thanks, < 1313522043 631976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I've never actually tried to use it < 1313522047 735924 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1313522053 486742 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nothingness, not you) < 1313522058 252616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNA Maze currently has no sounds < 1313522074 22665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the only SDL program I've worked on the SDL bits of < 1313522075 396408 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is dna maze < 1313522090 265596 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a maze shaped like dna < 1313522165 272299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a computer game I've been writing for years now (possibly decades) < 1313522168 203153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and never got round to finishing < 1313522223 521812 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Remember to unpause your audio. :p (This has been a show in our forthgoing Most Useless Tip series.) < 1313522238 947442 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wow, I actually managed to not forget. < 1313522250 236260 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was worried there for a second. < 1313522253 915505 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I removed the line earlier.) < 1313522257 485289 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Nope. < 1313522263 486783 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1313522281 264624 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or have I? < 1313522283 181736 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a bit ... < 1313522293 390679 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I might have, but have no memory of it. < 1313522294 409887 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1313522295 136137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :random fact, I implemented a version of reset(1) in a much older (DOS) version of DNA Maze < 1313522301 566505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you started and immediately exited it < 1313522307 375473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I always had a way to get my terminal back to sanity < 1313522316 12061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure why I didn't just write a different program < 1313522323 907372 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why have two programs when one can do? < 1313522336 118773 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing with "SDL_" in my sdl-audio-using applications are one SDL_OpenAudio(&audiospec, 0), one SDL_CloseAudio() at the end, and SDL_PauseAudio(0) to start and SDL_PauseAudio(1) to stop. That really should be enough. < 1313522357 522913 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1313522360 801151 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, yeees, but what do your callbacks look like? < 1313522368 136829 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Soooo you don't plan on actually playing sounds then :P < 1313522388 412062 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You don't need any other SDL_foo calls, it just calls your callback to fill a buffer. < 1313522391 50551 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's not done with SDL_ -- yeah. < 1313522404 193860 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHHHH, I was thinking of SDL_mixer. < 1313522409 506389 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used SDL_audio directly in fact. < 1313522411 90187 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only mixer. < 1313522414 340401 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the ``lame-o'' API. < 1313522427 218650 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If by "lame-O" you mean "remotely-sane-o" < 1313522436 564069 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there is music composed by parsing the DNA < 1313522453 972802 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :notably by the deceased Shamen composer < 1313522466 932266 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229160225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, in fact, very musical < 1313522476 624161 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: The callback just uses sid->clock() from resid to fill the buffer. The for-loop with rand() you had in there should be enough for maximum-volume white noise as far as I can tell. < 1313522572 968005 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm. < 1313522598 745633 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try a third audio driver + make sure your callback's getting called, I guess. < 1313522618 671819 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried the ALSA driver at least < 1313522640 133032 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not getting called. < 1313522641 309113 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How curious. < 1313522705 469410 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313523149 681401 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now why wouldn't it be calling it. < 1313523174 463887 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1313523183 967598 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your SDL sound sounds (pun not intended) to be somehow borkended, really. It's not supposed to hang if you don't specify any envvars, after all. < 1313523343 309832 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QWOP is really hard < 1313523350 859057 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not relaly < 1313523353 291995 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*really < 1313523366 560997 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i finished it easily < 1313523369 676579 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is if you play it one handed < 1313523380 319082 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay man < 1313523384 918928 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't tell you this nearly often enough < 1313523387 196900 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you < 1313523387 704482 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1313523392 32336 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the < 1313523392 614282 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1313523401 715814 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1313523424 318662 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess we know who wears the pants in this dialogue < 1313523447 286138 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably still you. I only IRC in the nude~ < 1313523456 830025 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MAN < 1313523471 896849 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i have my clothes on because i keep going to the rain to smoke < 1313523499 210131 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do that soon, myself < 1313523505 952595 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :people hang outside 24/7 so i don't really go out naked at all < 1313523512 943261 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few times in the hallway < 1313523519 493569 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's it < 1313523569 408633 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope my new roommates aren't douchebags < 1313523579 881091 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd have to kill them all, and that's just gonna raise my rent < 1313523581 767810 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313523631 312045 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean, they'd be buying you food until their dad dies of age < 1313523660 619562 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello daddy this is your son, nihilistdandy's roommate" < 1313523687 677842 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"could you send me some money, i got raped and robbed and stuff" < 1313523689 847518 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERFECT < 1313523692 513146 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol did you start smoking because of NihilistDandy < 1313523701 321817 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i felt inferior < 1313523701 655621 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope so < 1313523717 311626 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was like, how could i make myself cooler? < 1313523720 25444 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well < 1313523742 726626 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's the coolest camel you know? < 1313523787 641952 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is an empirical fact that smoking makes you cool < 1313523805 190749 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also make smoke rings while saying o < 1313523805 440386 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1313523805 966715 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1313523806 547759 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1313523807 31421 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1313523807 448381 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1313523811 925588 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously. how oklo is that? < 1313523834 36768 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1313523845 874944 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some chick came to tell me she put her flowers on the balcony because she's leaving for a few days, but they are not abandoned < 1313523847 659182 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just kidding that's lame and you suck) < 1313523869 967330 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just interpreted my name as a synonym for cool, and then told me i suck < 1313523891 717888 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1313523893 629500 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cognitive dissonance < 1313523893 701607 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that < 1313523898 984447 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that action doesn't even achieve the oklo level of suck < 1313523903 636838 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not even refined suck < 1313523906 216890 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313523915 690489 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1313523922 958518 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i will cry a bit < 1313523929 421919 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1313523930 767847 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was < 1313523932 844086 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a horrible thing to say < 1313523934 690819 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :motivate by jealousy < 1313523967 899296 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1313524024 454130 :CakeProphet!~adam@h29.28.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313524024 526301 :CakeProphet!~adam@h29.28.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313524024 526457 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313524206 350953 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313524533 413032 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1313524752 219793 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, anybody else: Should umlbox have -B -f . be default? < 1313524761 976680 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: -B -f / :-P < 1313524773 988184 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-f / is useless with -B :P < 1313524779 840810 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should act like the host system by default, IMO < 1313524785 295153 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then if you want any security you just use the options < 1313524790 478284 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or < 1313524797 469362 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, like, the opposite of how security systems are supposed to work :P < 1313524797 542149 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make it read-only system-directories on everything < 1313524801 124871 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no write access < 1313524804 773266 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's -f / < 1313524806 325193 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how it's "meant to work" :P < 1313524815 650085 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Excluding /home < 1313524823 854892 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to say I don't really want to include /home. < 1313524830 686832 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you do have to include ., since that's frequently in a home. < 1313524869 607864 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the common use case is "some snot-nosed student sent me his C code, now I have to run it and try not to eff up my system", you want . :P < 1313524937 118263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, would that work for Java too? < 1313524945 142871 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For anything < 1313524955 151885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :marking other people's code always worries me a bit < 1313524959 999914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case there's some sort of trojan in there < 1313524960 583370 :CakeProphet!~adam@h71.62.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313524960 655708 :CakeProphet!~adam@h71.62.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313524960 655840 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313524993 259550 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: UMLBox is basically like creating an VM and tearing it down within seconds, except it works on selectively-exposed parts of your host filesystem < 1313525001 592966 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So what were the sweeping changes to mudem you wanted < 1313525018 981879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did end up having to use a full VM to test the kernel patches < 1313525026 900846 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I can't figure out why it doesn't work, so I was going to rewrite it just taking the core connection code :P < 1313525029 306655 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, UML is a kernel < 1313525033 947899 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ostensibly kernel patches will work < 1313525036 251130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/especially/ because several of them crashed the system < 1313525039 617157 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not drivers though < 1313525048 835105 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just rewrite it in C, I won't mind :-P < 1313525051 92085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were hooking the keyboard interrupt < 1313525058 527732 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I "thought" it was an easy problem < 1313525062 50364 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which it obviously isn't < 1313525067 62463 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not >_< < 1313525069 869876 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it tastes like one. < 1313525083 408018 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, mudem almost works, it just has some stupid bug < 1313525087 662547 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's at the non-trivial level already < 1313525094 7927 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd easily be thrice the length in C, after all < 1313525116 695707 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: UMLBox really wouldn't help with kernel patches, but my two primary uses of it are hack{bot,iki} and grading student code, so that latter case is major :P < 1313525127 42193 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okayh < 1313525128 809347 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppeoelolke < 1313525130 656496 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't panic! < 1313525131 181172 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1313525136 268312 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ther'es a fucking 7 < 1313525136 559248 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: See http://bitbucket.org/GregorR/umlbox btw < 1313525139 371326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: heh, do we both teach programming? < 1313525140 121041 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my minesweeper < 1313525145 217993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language do you teach? < 1313525150 516910 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my hgod og mt god og myt dog < 1313525152 496509 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: This upcoming term, C. < 1313525152 810602 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i got a seventeen once < 1313525160 596450 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HAVE FUN WITH THAT < 1313525162 826141 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :comeon shut up this is fucking huge < 1313525163 700955 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :malloc(size_t int) < 1313525167 401345 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: 's a good one to have UMLBox for :P < 1313525171 980773 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you realize i play this game like every hour of every day < 1313525175 946181 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :))) < 1313525176 28183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: have you tried to teach C before? < 1313525190 372539 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've never seen a 7 except i probably have but was not this high < 1313525195 481998 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm just a TA, I'm not doing the "primary" teaching < 1313525195 852212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fourth-year C students I taught last year were much worse than the first-year Java students I taught the same year < 1313525197 954319 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously shit :D < 1313525198 201315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1313525200 893194 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fucking 7! < 1313525219 594090 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But yeah, I expect failure in all dimensions. < 1313525239 966132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't help that the lecturer in charge of the course had to take a couple of months off due to illness < 1313525263 244853 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do you expect sizeof to be typo'd as size_t because of an IDE? < 1313525268 282805 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 KNOWS HORRORS YOU DO NOT < 1313525271 710522 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1313525275 661014 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: No IDEs < 1313525283 948772 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're hardcore at Purdue :P < 1313525290 163965 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: YOU CAN'T STOP THE KIDS FROM USING NETBEANS < 1313525295 927415 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEGALISE IDES < 1313525309 628672 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dood, NetBeans is a gateway drug. < 1313525318 682439 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You let them have it, and soon they'll be using Eclipse. < 1313525326 661497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetBeans is fine for Java < 1313525330 798487 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let them do that, and it's only a matter of time before they're making UML (the bad one) diagrams. < 1313525332 679338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be used for C < 1313525343 513995 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And we all know someone who's descended down a long spiral towards the slow death that is Maven. < 1313525346 859688 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313525348 225576 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went there myself. I may never truly recover. < 1313525355 643773 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bounce bounce bounce < 1313525364 311862 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/SjK8RFvt < 1313525369 504661 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is completely reasonable code right? < 1313525388 715347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, umm, don't know, it's in C# < 1313525390 511282 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am beginning to suspect that webkits javascript interpreter does not support file IO < 1313525391 784546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can that be considered reasonable? < 1313525396 626942 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : var f = new File('"+f.Name+@"'); < 1313525397 210168 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1313525399 900509 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not acceptable. < 1313525404 123729 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the requirements I was given, it is. < 1313525410 155314 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1313525410 228144 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you'd prefer String.Format yes? < 1313525415 432707 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1313525422 249282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does @ before a string literal mean? < 1313525424 328115 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bind the value to an object you can access from inside < 1313525430 395254 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :multi-line. < 1313525434 927664 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of this string splicing shit that _will_ get you killed < 1313525453 682737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why do you have executable code in a string literal anyway? < 1313525474 131869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: note that «"); bad_function("» is a perfectly legal filename < 1313525479 965677 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's ok as long as it's not interpolated or anything < 1313525484 859238 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new File(this.storedName); < 1313525486 857791 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: what does that even mean. < 1313525488 790278 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then assign it from C hash < 1313525491 697142 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'm sure is possible < 1313525495 917248 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i see you're new to programming < 1313525503 460276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: even if it isn't interpolated, it's still a bad idea in a compiled language, but for different reasons < 1313525525 352923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason why in Perl, eval {} is considered sane, and eval "" is considered insane < 1313525536 508881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Perl isn't even a properly compiled language < 1313525539 844321 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: that's impossible. < 1313525541 627498 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do. < 1313525546 922196 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :given my current situation. < 1313525561 365340 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: No. < 1313525562 535092 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't. < 1313525569 862157 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the language. Offers any kind of interaction with the JS object model at all. < 1313525573 360459 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/language/binding/ < 1313525576 609274 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, as it's WebKit, it... does. < 1313525581 858933 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure Gregor can tell you more ;-) < 1313525601 644632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, even serialising to JSON would be saner < 1313525608 248079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you just parse it with eval at the other end < 1313525621 952756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that avoids any sort of injection issue < 1313525626 71599 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are we talking about? < 1313525644 266645 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WebKit. < 1313525647 603841 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric : var f = new File('"+f.Name+@"'); < 1313525648 604978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: a C# program written by CakeProphet which generates JavaScript code by concatenating string literals < 1313525657 128929 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet thinks this is acceptable behaviour to use the WebKit API with. < 1313525658 43710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with variables < 1313525658 877351 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1313525658 966642 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus why I'm resorting to temporary file hacks. < 1313525659 38361 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it doesn't, I assure you. It's a shitty C# binding of webkit. < 1313525668 948573 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: "Binding", i.e. with the same methods as WebKit. < 1313525673 884996 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it's not really a binding, in which case don't use it < 1313525683 631376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I didn't even realise that the temporary file was being made just to transmit information < 1313525687 954235 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes back to not caring :P
< 1313525691 868969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out if that's even worse, or just not quite as bad < 1313525701 402446 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no guarantees on the name of the created file for System.IO.Path.GetTempFileName < 1313525705 165979 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than it has the .TMP extension < 1313525707 907157 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also code injection shouldn't be a problem since the file name is always generated by GetTempFileName. < 1313525708 61973 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: not acceptable, but necessary. < 1313525708 133927 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because these bindings DO NOT have DOM access in C# < 1313525708 134092 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have looked EVERYWHERE. < 1313525708 702448 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me. < 1313525735 848038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: how do you know that GetTempFileName never puts double quotes or backslashes in the filename? < 1313525739 352125 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So don't use C# < 1313525748 663165 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You decided on C# of your own accord in the same place < 1313525755 365267 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So good masochism :P < 1313525764 584300 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well that's illegal in Windows (but not NTFS) < 1313525768 208476 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's no way reliable :P < 1313525788 823904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but C# is portable! < 1313525832 211418 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: using Gtk; < 1313525838 919703 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet Gtk# is soooooo native on Windows < 1313525881 357976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, GIMP works on Windows < 1313525887 651114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so GTK probaly does too < 1313525889 179228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*probably < 1313525964 829732 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1313525972 531573 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, though, Gtk# is a Mono thing :-P < 1313525979 455879 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gtk.php.net/ Oh, this must surely be quality < 1313525995 411105 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time I use Gtk I think "man, I wish I could be doing this in PHP". < 1313526384 367825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Mono work on Windows, incidentally? < 1313526388 694567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is yes, but I'm not sure < 1313526392 267073 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1313526396 183104 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, I think, Wine < 1313526419 765951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that the main advertising point of Mono is that it works on both Android and iPhone < 1313526428 999288 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1313526430 908166 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1313526462 37939 :CakeProphet!~adam@h20.58.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313526462 206409 :CakeProphet!~adam@h20.58.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313526462 278180 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313526466 162834 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll fix/optimise/finish bytepusher.c tomorrow < 1313526477 960385 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe write a bootsector implementation :P < 1313526542 820649 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can somebody with Cygwin give me the uname -a output please? < 1313526619 153150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, Righthaven (a group of copyright trolls) lost a court case they brought and were made to pay the defendants' legal fees because they didn't own the copyrights they were trying to sue over < 1313526633 52547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tried to claim that they didn't have to pay because the court didn't have jurisdiction anyway < 1313526650 42870 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1313526722 121007 :CakeProphet!~adam@h66.0.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313526722 243506 :CakeProphet!~adam@h66.0.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313526722 315802 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313526783 680423 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I hate my internet right now. < 1313526810 414638 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.26 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1313526812 40673 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently reading the logs is more reliable than actually usingf my client. < 1313526964 624866 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, that's what stalker mode is for. < 1313527003 922106 :CakeProp1et!~adam@h133.15.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313527123 960224 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1313527158 871957 :CakeProp1et!~adam@h133.15.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I have no say in the language choice because I am being hired to do this with existing software. < 1313527181 45895 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1313527194 171546 :CakeProp1et!~adam@h133.15.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just so happens that all of the C# browser rendering engines are shit and I'm using the only one that seems to have legitimate DOM access. < 1313527403 132425 :CakeProp1et!~adam@h133.15.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha I have a solution. < 1313527423 581896 :CakeProp1et!~adam@h133.15.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just use other DOM objects, and then only use WebKit for rendering. < 1313527779 569840 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean exporting the DOM tree back to HTML/XHTML and then rendering it with WebKit, that doesn't sound like a real solution, especially if you need to access the DOM after the page in question's scripts have had a field day with it. < 1313527824 847300 :CakeProp1et!~adam@h133.15.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1313528546 532917 :CakeProphet!~adam@h140.60.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313528546 643321 :CakeProphet!~adam@h140.60.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313528546 643427 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313528554 609645 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(new StreamReader(HttpWebRequest.Create(url).GetResponse().GetResponseStream(), Encoding.UTF8)).ReadToEnd() < 1313528580 700244 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is literally everything you have to do in C# to fetch a URL.. normally this code is written over multiple lines but I decided to make it a one-liner. < 1313528947 520929 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1313528996 522028 :CakeProphet!~adam@h14.19.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313528996 594156 :CakeProphet!~adam@h14.19.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313528996 594266 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313529264 583376 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ perl -e 'use LWP::Simple; print get("http://esolangs.org/");' | head -n 1 < 1313529264 655606 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1313529270 972339 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is literally everything you have to do in Perl. < 1313529301 627839 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/tetris < 1313529312 597702 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the second hypothesis obviously true? < 1313529342 983507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since if you're given only z- or s-tetrominoes, you can't assemble a line. < 1313529413 41661 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the well is of even width (like I think it usually is), you can just put your z- or s-pieces all on the pointy end, filling the second-lowest line. < 1313529431 679110 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah. < 1313529503 345397 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-182-59.dsl.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313529511 600139 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-182-59.dsl.telstraclear.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313529511 672315 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1313529522 941728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's also aggravating and frustrating. C's strict type safety is wonderful, except when it isn't." < 1313529524 26243 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1313529525 24699 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sam. < 1313529626 361636 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313529706 608496 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1313529825 904858 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1313529950 720498 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: FireFly < 1313530090 512827 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1313530091 285851 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Excess Flood < 1313530149 747868 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1313530422 646368 :adam_!~adam@h188.63.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313530468 852936 :adam_!~adam@h188.63.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's a pretty strict type system. Casts require that the types you cast to have names. < 1313530468 933829 :adam_!~adam@h188.63.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net NICK :CakeProphet < 1313530469 5636 :CakeProphet!~adam@h188.63.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1313530989 349921 :sut-heb!sut-heb@c-68-39-116-188.hsd1.nj.comcast.net QUIT : < 1313530995 550779 :sut-heb!sut-heb@c-68-39-116-188.hsd1.nj.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313531827 120856 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-67.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friggin' oral surgery. < 1313531971 588252 :CakeProphet!~adam@h123.53.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313531971 660416 :CakeProphet!~adam@h123.53.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313531971 660568 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313532259 586487 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1313532485 200025 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HALP < 1313532488 778969 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've watched BLR too much. < 1313532493 394072 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black Umbrella is starting to make sense. < 1313533161 620792 :Taneb!~taneb@host-78-146-170-91.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: He's a big quitter he is < 1313533180 803288 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it happens, I must wakirth. < 1313533182 376381 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1313533212 341278 :CakeProphet!~adam@h21.34.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313533212 452133 :CakeProphet!~adam@h21.34.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313533212 524583 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313533297 994852 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rockin' in stalkr mode.
< 1313533643 622258 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1313533722 785643 :CakeProphet!~adam@h120.45.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313533722 857274 :CakeProphet!~adam@h120.45.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1313533722 857422 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313533762 712893 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1313533782 296698 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313533864 426775 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-156.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313533878 210012 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-67.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1313533892 833027 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-237-229.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313534263 762150 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1313535931 585383 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1313536087 774014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 251 seconds < 1313538903 444228 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1313538930 21505 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will be pleased to know that I've found a solution that doesn't involve any javascript / temp file hacks: http://pastebin.com/hVEXB8Zn < 1313539008 548769 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing interesting happening really...just a bunch of glue < 1313539047 826503 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure freelancing is all about the glue...