< 1312934407 221300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1312934408 248407 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1312934431 433305 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1312934433 767703 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1 gets excluded from being a prime factor by the "> 1" bit < 1312934443 301676 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fits very perfectly < 1312934446 648438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1312934513 613899 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :do mathematicians ever feel threatened by computers? is it like chess? < 1312934515 350156 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many things work when 1 is not considered prime < 1312934535 781161 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore 1 is not prime < 1312934556 337172 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we just trust in 1 < 1312934559 896888 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 will become the greatest prime < 1312934601 461386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: well eventually computers should reach human level intelligence, at which point _everyone_ might feel threatened. whether higher mathematics research falls long before that, remains to be seen. < 1312934627 842454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blinks at oerjan displaying an opinion he didn't think oerjan held.
< 1312934641 25808 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least humans have a reason to exist.. humans have the security of knowing they can die < 1312934652 412643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: computers can die too < 1312934700 567698 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :james cameron obviously felt threatened < 1312934726 448989 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the irony being his movie is rendered with computers < 1312934740 609114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1312934747 676333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: what < 1312934756 717868 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminator 2 < 1312934789 147456 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the one hand he issues a grave warning against computers.. and on the other hand he renders a lot of things with them < 1312934806 121398 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's ironic about this < 1312934813 757378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was Avatar rendered by terminators < 1312934822 23929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well whether intelligence requires some "soul" component also remains to be seen, but even _so_ it might be achievable by computers unless there really is a carbon-based water solution bias in the universe for it < 1312934822 392528 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :latent terminators < 1312934827 345060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: is Terminator intended as a serious warning < 1312934832 836033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an action flick < 1312934842 590958 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im pretty sure its a serious warning < 1312934844 993179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(granted that media has effects whether it intends" to be serious commentary or not) < 1312934852 797331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I doubt Cameron thinks skynet is about to happen) < 1312934869 163972 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well good night < 1312934870 616052 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like... james cameron the real guy.. i think he meant it < 1312934874 237675 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will brainstorm alot tomorrow < 1312934877 414098 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and posssibly in bed < 1312934884 16373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so, umm, do you think that neurons will fail if you replicate them in a computer? < 1312934897 533634 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: But that doesn't make 1 prime. What makes 1 not prime is mathematics; how much you trust is not relevant. < 1312934898 271937 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. to wikipedia < 1312934902 724007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is even possible that the soul component is so subtle that it manages to attach to a computer algorithm without scientists noticing... < 1312934912 309220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I removed the assertion that Cameron is an atheist per WP:BLPCAT policy. < 1312934912 462286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not a matter of opinion but of policy though I know wikipedia also frowns on editors slandering others. < 1312934912 535029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--CatholicW (talk) 06:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC) < 1312934916 910757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thakns catcholicw < 1312934919 570452 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312934930 170976 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It is a possible thing to think about philosophically, at least. < 1312934969 306116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oerjan: so, umm, do you think that neurons will fail if you replicate them in a computer? < 1312934970 11571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think my previous line indicates i do not assume that they _will_ fail < 1312934970 652290 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what the books say buddha's view is, is that there are all these questions which we would go crazy trying to answer < 1312934985 365544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok so what you are saying is, any emulation of a neuron will have the soul code? < 1312934998 714574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: insert standard "how is this different to neurons just being neurons" argument < 1312935015 374843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :any emulation of a correctly assembled brain of neurons, perhaps < 1312935017 493451 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any emulation needs a "soul code", and I am not sure it can work anyways. < 1312935027 599792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, so you could possibly have a soulless neuron emulator? < 1312935033 464868 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, the emulation is not necessarily perfect anyways possibly? < 1312935039 356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and then if you (with Science(tm)) scanned someone's brain to gloop up all the neurons < 1312935041 612864 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is worth a try. < 1312935042 338601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and plugged it into the former < 1312935044 838400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would not work? < 1312935051 589514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite being a correct simulator of a single, soulless neuron? < 1312935058 391232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would the soul be in the scanned neural net < 1312935064 610186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah but the soul may not actually be _part_ of the emulator, just something any suitable structure will attach to. < 1312935068 520069 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would change things by measuring it in quantum mechanics so I think it might not work. < 1312935079 84466 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it might work. < 1312935081 706304 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not perfectly. < 1312935082 46262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, so the soul is part of the _process_ of thinking? < 1312935094 465704 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible or desirable to take the war out of animals and plants? < 1312935097 174714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it sounds to me like you're defining a soul to be indistinguishable from "consciousness" < 1312935102 583061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am imagining a form of dualism, but mediated via some information channel < 1312935105 7568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the byproduct of thinking < 1312935106 531435 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the feeding and hunger out of animals and plants? < 1312935116 984736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which brains are evolved to use < 1312935164 867401 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Then you will be dead how can you eat? Unless, of course, you want to be dead. But if you want to be dead you can jump off a cliff into the navy ship where they will shoot you for target practice < 1312935166 408976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which might be achievable by any information system with sufficient I/O < 1312935175 288000 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. if we could take the war out of animals and plants thus creating mechanical living things, and the feeding and hunger and thirst out of animals and plants thus creating mechanical living things... < 1312935194 831417 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i were a robot < 1312935196 263650 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :would we not have a means to take the war and feeding and hunger and thirst directly out of animals and plants? < 1312935215 915610 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you would eventually run out of energy if you tried such things, no matter how hard you tried or how much energy you have. < 1312935256 693844 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the "war" .. well... < 1312935265 249270 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the fighting instincts from nature < 1312935275 820821 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including people too? < 1312935278 812220 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drive to survive and reproduce and evolve < 1312935284 370476 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the drive to survive < 1312935286 57487 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what drive is left? < 1312935290 523709 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is no scarcity and no suffering < 1312935292 605727 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :why strive? < 1312935294 794083 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll live anyway < 1312935309 353325 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to have the drive to be dead if you do not want to have the drive to be living. But it is up to your choice. < 1312935326 683345 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your choice can be to not have any children. < 1312935336 939858 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :also.... just because we can do something, doesn't mean we should < 1312935342 628864 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, to see how long you can survive while starving to death. < 1312935350 994682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: standard anti-religious argument: you'd go clubbing people to death without god??? < 1312935352 589262 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like you would tell a person who planned to burn down your city that they shouldn't do it even if they could < 1312935353 168029 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Yes. < 1312935376 766141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: possible argument against what you're saying: you'd stop doing shit just because scarcity is gone??? < 1312935404 302294 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: eventually < 1312935408 994686 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only due to genetic drift and the meme version of it < 1312935412 199451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it possible or desirable to take the war out of animals and plants? <-- huh i've about that, and my immediate reaction is that we should do it if possible < 1312935413 672096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: so when are you eventually going to start clubbing people? < 1312935416 388343 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no 'upward pressure' < 1312935422 279219 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow wow wow. < 1312935425 862357 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :calm down < 1312935430 117821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm uncalm? < 1312935432 703236 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it doesn't work like that < 1312935435 901672 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : :-D < 1312935447 14881 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1312935459 316060 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I still live under scarcity < 1312935459 746066 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shouldn't accuse you of suggesting it does < 1312935472 659095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: but not under god, unless I misunderstand your position < 1312935476 429700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: anyway, in any reasonable such scenario evolution by natural selection would only take place if we wanted it to, and why would we? < 1312935496 236328 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: My immediate reaction is you should not do it if possible. Maybe instead you should do it if it is impossible. Now it is a scientific experiment instead. But be careful please! Don't do it. < 1312935500 801178 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the freedom for war is not very much different than the freedom for peace < 1312935511 226095 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure why.. but it seems to be so < 1312935535 589512 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot, the opposite of evolution by natural selection. evolution with NO natural selection = random drift < 1312935538 216187 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's no suffering < 1312935539 745528 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one ever dies < 1312935544 359783 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :take war away and you will want it back very soon < 1312935545 416855 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is true; you shouldn't have a war too much, but sometimes they do anyways. So, what can you do? Well, that is very complicated and is why they have the army. But even the army doesn't quite know. < 1312935547 412874 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so negative traits are never punished (because they aren't negative now) < 1312935555 329092 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be missed < 1312935556 275749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: there is no need for any sort of breeding to happen. < 1312935563 120077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :genetics are irrelevant < 1312935568 108863 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :how will you stop people who want to breed? < 1312935586 505900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably not. people might not want to breed if they understand this, however. < 1312935604 769054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if there's no scarcity, then we can support a zombie population who don't want to do anything just fine, along with a population of people who do want to do things < 1312935613 448103 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If nobody is dead, then if everyone is born then there is overpopulation. If nobody is dead or born, then you still need other things too otherwise what can come of anything? You need change of everything all the time at infinite speed of changing......... < 1312935645 6520 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be the job of mortals to eat the immortals. < 1312935653 984082 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the purpose of the human body, mind, personality, quirks etc is to best cope with survival in the environment they evolved in < 1312935661 869518 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean to take all that and place it in a zero scarsity environment? < 1312935666 450682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: it doesn't work like that <-- how do you know it is not possible to end suffering for all lifeforms on earth, at least for a very long time? it would obviously require a huge redesign of species and ecosystems, and may be beyond our means for centuries or millennia, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it if we do become able < 1312935689 474679 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: It means, you have to make a very small part to make a scientific experiment. < 1312935745 772180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: you think we are controlled entirely by our genetics, etc.? < 1312935751 266395 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can imagine a person playing a game with savestates - with no penalty for death, they make no effort to improve or think through puzzles except by blindly throwing themslves at them < 1312935754 216712 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot it's always going to be there < 1312935760 60545 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll always be the base of everything we build onto it < 1312935760 231606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to make personal actions of violence by you, but I guess you go around murdering people who anger you, then? < 1312935763 392167 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there HAS to be an initial drive < 1312935765 801480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : take war away and you will want it back very soon <-- if you can change organisms enough to "take war away" you can probably change their motivations to desire it that way too < 1312935777 374314 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1312935800 632293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: if you think we can't overcome our base desires etc. ... lol. If you also think that whatever instincts we have even "understand" what lack of scarcity means... lol < 1312935803 16359 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason i mentioned it is that... in the quest to define a soul... we must remember we are on one side of the equation < 1312935834 124282 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever can be done to a computer to give it a soul, we can perhaps regress to without losing our soul < 1312935834 379707 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me rephrase < 1312935836 492130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so, you see, we have this separate stupid brain that overrides everything we do past a certain point, and acts idiotically about a lack of scarcity. BUT it understands what a lack of scarcity is, despite being the stupidest thing." < 1312935840 848763 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a perfectly rational being who can't suffer < 1312935851 65283 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the typical disembodied observor with free will and omniscience, right? < 1312935852 853450 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Just skip to Act 3. That's when the crazy shit starts going down. < 1312935852 925416 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, skip Hivebent." < 1312935853 108887 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually game with savestates, not quite. Because, some people can still try to think about it better. However, if you cannot think of it, you might try something without knowing or just stop and think about it and try again tomorrow. < 1312935855 195601 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is its drive? < 1312935867 373560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: you're imagining it, you tell me < 1312935877 485768 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. there is no drive < 1312935880 222298 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason to do anything < 1312935883 589173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. you arbitrarily decided that. < 1312935886 579183 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no punishment or reward system in place < 1312935888 733163 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because of ^^ < 1312935891 102668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1312935892 299189 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott opens his mouth and we're down to social sciences. i sincerely prefer talking about pokemon, ais makes it sound infinitely more interesting. < 1312935894 187011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you decided it would have no such system < 1312935901 441459 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: i heard uhmmm whats his name... alan watts explain that if a person did that.. they would gradually work their way back to exactly who they are now < 1312935909 366609 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they would get terribly bored < 1312935912 819824 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus, if they did what? < 1312935916 353701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: actually, oerjan started it this time. then Patashu. < 1312935916 841111 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: I know some things about pokemon, too. I also play Pokemon Card < 1312935921 140581 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they had all the omniscience < 1312935935 15128 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I'm thinking of raocow, who when he plays with save states all but stops trying to play well < 1312935936 702134 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this time" is not relevant to the trend < 1312935942 919448 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not going to be an absolute thing but it's a big factor < 1312935949 268638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: you are the shittiest troll. < 1312935967 642436 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, please rescue this channel from misery and talk about pokemon right away < 1312935968 384579 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also chess < 1312935987 41939 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nothing bad about being shitty at trolling < 1312935987 915463 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: O, OK. Well, I generally don't play like that. < 1312936000 874378 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: Like, what about pokemon and chess? < 1312936009 950870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: when your modus operandi is trolling there is < 1312936033 217134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're good at avoiding getting banned, but have you considered that this might be eating into your effectiveness as a troll? < 1312936057 32584 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T_FYsAkhAc&feature=player_detailpage#t=134s < 1312936081 381830 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later on you can consider helping me with this https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/texnicard/wiki/Dangelo_Programming_Language if you know how, coppro was understanding a bit once I explained in this channel, and I wrote the stuff in there too, some of the things discussed, in "Examples" section. < 1312936083 721222 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what about a game of chess where if a piece moves onto another one, then the players play a round of pokemon < 1312936106 599739 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the person who wins keeps their piece < 1312936117 748343 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: its chess related link < 1312936137 429992 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, interesting, let me have a look < 1312936138 340442 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: OK. I suppose that is possible, if you want to play like that. < 1312936195 828604 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever invented any pokemon card? < 1312936200 563222 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, do you think an amount of strategy could be added to chess this way? e.g. players start out with the same cards, except they play them or don't.. < 1312936206 742394 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1312936228 95031 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: Possibly, have some of the cards and chess be correlated somehow < 1312936229 15463 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i invented one it would be an elliott card, and when it levels up it changes into Sgeo < 1312936248 463437 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what would be the effects of the card? < 1312936253 442455 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, i think maybe each piece could allow you to do more/less < 1312936263 710608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: hmm, or actually you _have_ realised that, and are being much more obvious about things < 1312936298 390003 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pokemon related here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2n5aSo32aw < 1312936317 979950 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :say if your fighting piece is a pawn, you just get 1 card, if your piece is a laufer you get 3 or 4 cards.. < 1312936319 344460 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1312936327 77427 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: There are many ways. One way, have pieces affecting rules of cards somewhat and cards affecting chess, and have the kind of pieces being stepping on each other corresponding to what cards you have < 1312936341 201484 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if your pawn is important to your strategy you might want to play a stronger card < 1312936350 140423 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that would be interesting < 1312936359 668424 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could the cards affect the chess? < 1312936375 496266 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :go might be a better game than chess < 1312936379 785679 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier to give marginal advantage in < 1312936386 695726 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas in chess things like capturing and getting an extra move are huge < 1312936398 520113 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-19.resnet.ucsb.edu QUIT :Quit: bye < 1312936504 783473 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312936572 662926 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1312936576 263807 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok heres an idea < 1312936585 958136 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Well, you could also use a larger chess variant, where the different pieces has energy types of pokemon card, and then the trainer cards, etc. I don't know for sure. < 1312936592 793164 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about an RTS on a virtual chessboard? < 1312936598 303439 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it? < 1312936629 637769 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :could starcraft be translated onto a virtual chessboard for example? < 1312936639 579328 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what sense? < 1312936644 63089 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are chess custom maps FOR starcraft < 1312936651 838471 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but somehow Idon't think that's what you mean < 1312936674 285910 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many chess variants, including Xiangqi and Shogi as well. < 1312936680 940677 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, by virtual chessboard I mean that using a computer you can achieve certain tricks easily like having hidden squares < 1312936683 868220 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some very large chess variants < 1312936689 40223 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a variant where every piece is a chessboard < 1312936698 306829 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metachess? < 1312936700 801769 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you make moves on the smaller chessboard to unlock that piece's ability to capture (if you win) < 1312936708 144889 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1312936712 653601 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was on chess variants dot org < 1312936712 738484 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow... < 1312936755 597193 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. first you would have the starcraftian idea of only being able to see parts of the map which you build near < 1312936773 72352 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :since starcraft is played on a square co-ordinate system < 1312936777 570791 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could translate it to a very large chessboard < 1312936779 944096 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's just a semantic thing < 1312936784 598607 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not changing anything < 1312936805 258453 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it could be turn based perhaps < 1312936810 233949 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :could that work? :D < 1312936826 157686 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn based RTS? < 1312936834 179476 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBS < 1312936847 55377 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well without micro < 1312936849 694085 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wrong to say RTS.. because it would just be starcraft < 1312936850 386059 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you miss the point of starcraft < 1312936889 44423 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so.. 1) multiple pieces can move per turn 2) can only see parts of the map which your units are near < 1312936903 34097 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1312936903 461743 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) some units take a long time to go to an adjacent square < 1312936906 476796 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are turn based games like that < 1312936908 865456 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312936926 407997 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might have say.. "This unit is very heavy, it will take 5 turns to move to the adjacent square" < 1312936928 325342 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't make a turn based game out of starcraft b/c you'll need to completely change the balance and all the mechanics that expect your reaction time/co-ordination ability to be limited < 1312936967 10314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3) some units take a long time to go to an adjacent square <-- this + today's iwc gives me the idea of a board game where some pieces go backwards in time < 1312936996 857497 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent really played starcraft.. just watched my brother play it a bit < 1312936997 952254 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been done < 1312936998 878975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll just need ais523 to implement feather and then we can find out how it works < 1312937014 809289 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, have you heard of the game achron? < 1312937022 165427 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :archon < 1312937027 93558 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1312937027 772721 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :achron < 1312937030 998413 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1312937031 811746 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1312937032 152626 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chessvariants.com/diffmove.dir/timetravel.html < 1312937033 846742 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :achron < 1312937072 693846 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry to doubt you < 1312937081 495215 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.achrongame.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=29&sid=b7f3fd8b0f925fba406e706736e156e6 < 1312937115 543121 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular look at achronal chess and achronal roguelike < 1312937146 225390 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErutMnueM2g Wow, this looks awesome lol < 1312937157 977140 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet there's a broken winning strategy though < 1312937272 200509 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you create that space filling diamond < 1312937273 464535 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :gg < 1312937276 821822 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Build a spacefiller? < 1312937285 683355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1312937869 699242 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312937890 522221 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what about cards simply disabling some pieces from attacking other pieces? many strategies would be disabled this way < 1312937897 730501 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :while enabling others < 1312937907 678085 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's good < 1312937909 424222 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a defensive boost < 1312937916 845238 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, also offensive < 1312937917 19246 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't use it to win easily < 1312937918 937798 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're craft < 1312937919 938026 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1312937923 451623 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a piece is untouchable it's a good weapon < 1312937925 488442 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :could use it to make a push otherwise impossible < 1312937941 132767 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: as i grow up and get more cynical and bitter... i find i don't enjoy some games as much as i once did < 1312937949 751213 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : however, < 1312937981 931919 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : I suppose that the key element is that a game has room to allow someone to have fun if they are in the mood to have fun. < 1312938041 796792 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game never actually contains the fun... the fun is always the player's responsibility < 1312938054 459437 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: Yes you could have a chess variant where some cards disable some pieces and stuff like that < 1312938072 602625 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, this story is heart-warming < 1312938087 79917 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want power go < 1312938092 403389 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what special powers could stones have? < 1312938094 786106 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's power go < 1312938097 719587 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk yet < 1312938108 338138 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you want it? ok. < 1312938113 863293 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: I used to love pokemon < 1312938119 442905 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1312938123 1662 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I realized < 1312938125 142053 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :'wow, this is a lot of work' < 1312938127 660303 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I didn't play diamond < 1312938132 532405 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was angry at a magazine when they made fun of pikachu on the cover < 1312938135 52794 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I am a young adult < 1312938165 188431 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used to have a kid at school that we named pikachu < 1312938169 576345 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1312938173 487995 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1312938178 416432 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did so to make fun out of him < 1312938206 837923 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my best friends in high school got nicknamed screech like in saved by the bell < 1312938215 979800 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen that < 1312938218 322655 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1312938228 718544 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. you must be a youngin < 1312938262 341749 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im australian.. you might just be european or something < 1312938264 70524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iti++ < 1312938268 112644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iti-- < 1312938280 559799 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're american... then the only explanation is young age < 1312938311 821650 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get me wrong i love europe < 1312938356 713863 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i'm just someone who doesn't watch many movies, regardless of where i come from < 1312938533 131174 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1312938537 245159 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im out of line < 1312938826 50809 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229064007.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312939010 191286 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1312939273 370958 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, that game of life thing is interesting. < 1312939316 35916 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can take cells that are already out on the field and add them to your pool, leading to "how the hell do you have so many blocks aaa" < 1312939333 510203 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things happening behind the front line are pretty much useless, sooo < 1312939567 382839 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blinkers can do some serious damage if not interfered with < 1312939572 398936 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :In stages. < 1312939638 149067 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312939680 705690 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game of life thing? < 1312939698 333035 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.java4k.com/index.php?action=games&method=view&gid=190 < 1312939714 673385 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda want to try and code a multiplayer version now. < 1312939769 514871 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :In chrome, when a flash widget has focus, hitting backspace acts like hitting the back button on chrome < 1312939771 829872 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a fix for this? < 1312939808 98476 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Pokemon Card GB2, although HYPNO [Lv30]'s attack ignores weak/resist, the computer opponent doesn't know that! Yet, it does in fact ignore weak/resist. < 1312939879 10935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: I wrote in /msg < 1312939928 542275 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screech you can't elope! < 1312939937 130371 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are you calling a cantelope you melonhead? < 1312939942 689171 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1312940151 594119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys should i be rational or irrational today < 1312940171 993848 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Both. < 1312940185 978230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1312940205 973276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: irrational but algebraic < 1312940214 803362 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, yeah, the size of spacefillers makes me think that you arn't going to be building a spacefiller anytime soon. < 1312940226 403960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hELP this is ocnfonsugin < 1312940233 534733 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1312940236 855020 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it was turn based? < 1312940246 605791 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:38:33 < Sgeo> R.I.P. Sgeo? < 1312940249 612862 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good quote < 1312940260 765099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble ocnfonsugin < 1312940260 837557 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oncingfuosn < 1312940265 860176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better < 1312940284 835209 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mobileread.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=75336&d=1312936864 <-- I have turned my e-book reader into the world's worst tablet PC :P < 1312940287 247993 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble geo < 1312940287 459958 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :goe < 1312940293 491051 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble sgeo < 1312940293 754410 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soge < 1312940298 647323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble sgeo < 1312940298 816987 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soge < 1312940307 738943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's deterministic < 1312940316 796471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and _I_ invented it < 1312940320 437042 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, that.. that might actually be a more fun variant. < 1312940324 116951 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1312940327 945241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1312940330 781251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sorry that looks like the world's best?? < 1312940333 584973 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble sgeotlhd < 1312940333 657221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How fast is it < 1312940333 771734 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdghelot < 1312940334 396470 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :X run cycles, then a placement cycle? < 1312940344 55694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Additionally cut your nails < 1312940347 169055 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The processor is fine ... the screen is ... slow :P < 1312940347 291735 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble elliott < 1312940347 461644 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :etltloi < 1312940357 648806 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble Lambdans < 1312940357 904050 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lsanmabd < 1312940359 881858 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scrable test < 1312940362 656733 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't cut my thumbnail, but I cut the rest. My cat appreciates it :P < 1312940372 863222 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble test < 1312940373 403191 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttes < 1312940380 195624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: speling < 1312940389 390330 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble test < 1312940389 839001 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tste < 1312940401 51268 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble 0123456789 < 1312940401 487877 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0246897531 < 1312940405 459205 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble 01234567890 < 1312940405 882860 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02468097531 < 1312940422 196295 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1312940429 221061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: it is simply: copy two, move cursor to middle < 1312940432 321409 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 < 1312940432 709702 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :01234567 < 1312940445 239239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for oerjan to provide an elegant zipper implementation based on that description
< 1312940446 138203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but afair i wrote it in brainfuck < 1312940683 177264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell scramble = scr [] []; scr z1 z2 (x:y:r) = scr (x:z1) (y:z2) r; scr z1 z2 l = reverse z1 ++ l ++ z2 in scramble "0123456789" < 1312940687 423780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1312940694 548426 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the windows entertainment pack there's a two player game of life < 1312940695 707249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let scramble = scr [] []; scr z1 z2 (x:y:r) = scr (x:z1) (y:z2) r; scr z1 z2 l = reverse z1 ++ l ++ z2 in scramble "0123456789" < 1312940697 365662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "0246897531" < 1312940698 919060 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :some cells are blue some are red < 1312940704 180563 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your turn you add a cell of your colour then delete a cell < 1312940706 775094 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your opponent does the same < 1312940708 952806 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :then one generation happens < 1312940716 701732 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first person to have only their colour wins < 1312940723 924298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ^ < 1312940782 448972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: beautiful. however i see no zippers. < 1312940799 360947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :z1 and z2 are the zipper < 1312940813 277348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly i'm not using recursion to unwind it < 1312940849 215543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's probably nicer without a true zipper < 1312940865 746123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine :D < 1312940884 865384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let scramble = scr []; scr z (x:y:r) = x : scr (y:z) r; scr z l = l ++ z in scramble "0123456789" < 1312940886 291906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "0246897531" < 1312941825 230544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i found the http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Brainfuck#Brainfuck_in_ZZT discussion, and i wondered, is your nick related to ZZT? < 1312941936 772988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it's really pouring down < 1312941954 839106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :silent here < 1312941973 782963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMPOSSIBLE, YOU'RE ENGLISH < 1312942692 210000 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312942708 521826 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1312942719 726132 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh ffs XChat < 1312943670 928621 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312943773 554828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you would be the best person to ask about GHC memory details, right :D < 1312943817 536416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er have i left that impression somehow < 1312943872 8328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: definitely. < 1312943880 1756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1312943958 232005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in "data X = forall a. X { f :: IO a, g :: a -> IO (), h :: a -> IO Size }", it should be no bigger than the size of the pointers to the three functions f, g, and h (with the a type filled in), plus padding, right? < 1312943977 553043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously with a typeclass context it would store the dictionary < 1312944001 632000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, that only works in one field... but anyway, i think i make sense? < 1312944006 227879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometmies i make sense. < 1312944130 914811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be a tag field anyhow < 1312944144 146245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if there's just one possible value for it < 1312944144 417012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm well right that's fine < 1312944163 734175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: more importantly, an Any is no bigger than a standard pointer, right? < 1312944169 928917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I EXPECT PRECISE ANSWERS, NO GUESSING) < 1312944214 873499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe all boxed, lazy values have the same pointer size and _must_ have so in order to work with polymorphic functions < 1312944249 857586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1312944258 755134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so in conclusion... < 1312944266 98828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test :: X -> Any -> IO Size < 1312944275 963533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test X{..} = h . unsafeCoerce < 1312944308 840845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should look the same, memory and operation (i.e. performance) wise, as an application of h to a specific specialisation of the a type variable, correct? < 1312944315 194749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo a slightly bigger pointer, perhaps < 1312944332 136876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the thing is that "f" and "g" might be called an awful lot < 1312944344 698289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all you can write test (X f g h) = do a <- f; (,) <$> g a <$> h a < 1312944359 46273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to use a typeclass since the only sane way would be via an existential, which would carry around the typeclass baggage for every single a value < 1312944360 710324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is ridiculous < 1312944366 8292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I considered e.g. < 1312944378 784114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data ReifyDict a where Dict :: (Class a) => ReifyDict a < 1312944381 952950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and test can know nothing about any special representation for a < 1312944386 320687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just ridiculous since it reduces to a three-argument record < 1312944390 728929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ofc < 1312944408 168701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er *<*> last one < 1312944625 186168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, I just realised that my main question came down to "is unsafeCoerce expensive" :D < 1312944638 975720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems ... unlikely :P < 1312944644 884261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: udpate < 1312944653 287601 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw, ty < 1312944661 42451 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't read it yet, browser's being slow < 1312945638 931846 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312945705 236507 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312946057 975296 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1312946083 131420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1312946102 797440 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is my nick related to ZZT? Sort of. There is actually a long story describing how the name "zzo38" came out < 1312946118 387989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1312946118 670311 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as every good nick should have < 1312946145 587414 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: origins. < 1312946168 236144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the deep forests of canada... < 1312946217 788551 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yes, ZZT is part of it. < 1312946240 810068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a geek must attempt to get connection using only a barbed wire and a pack of chewing gum < 1312946257 298311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wire happens to be electrified < 1312946314 963141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a loud ZZOT is heard < 1312946315 510263 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too far away from an enclave of conspiracy theorists who, as a result of being neighbours with USA for so long, were quite suspicious, up a tree watching down at some wild boars roaming past, sat a young zzo38 < 1312946442 219209 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that was not yet his name... < 1312946447 402206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm boars are not native to the americas, but have been introduced < 1312946464 384825 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know I just wanted to send some fun animals past < 1312946566 301119 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admit that "a loud ZZOT is heard" is more creative than what I typed < 1312946581 338118 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to use brute force to be creative < 1312947013 289375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy how doe sflows work < 1312947022 351613 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats flows hlep < 1312947115 947918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i was trying to define a dataflow programming model where it was impossible to construct something that depended on the order that its inputs arrived < 1312947117 23260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, how does a doe sflow its work < 1312947117 449716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1312947133 190439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X__ < 1312947133 359502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1312947133 432346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Z < 1312947133 432481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y--/ < 1312947135 946913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1312947140 651117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X__ < 1312947140 723563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1312947140 723731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Z-- < 1312947140 723850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y--/ < 1312947148 428615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you couldn't make Z output something different if Y arrived point one ms after X < 1312947161 863517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea being that it's always safe to parallelise < 1312947171 68492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't observe time at the lowest level < 1312947172 337844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1312947175 371128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1312947182 226427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to model a simple mutable reference............... < 1312947184 643297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i couldn't.................... < 1312947198 75144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ended up depending on order to know whether it was being overriden by a constant (which you'd do to initialise it) < 1312947203 790664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... not overridden... < 1312947206 863888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im < 1312947208 724958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really sure :( < 1312947210 818191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1312947212 555976 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im confused help < 1312947256 514126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help < 1312947266 119415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1312947310 486197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I no longer think native c-based continuations are strictly essential for real input manipulation, I think it is possible to use continuation passing style and e to avoid them. --Ørjan 02:18, 10 August 2011 (UTC) < 1312947313 555785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god oerjan updated us on that < 1312947317 182061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been on the edge of my seat for four years < 1312947330 35124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _have_ mentioned it on the channel before < 1312947375 665585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got the idea to reread Talk:Unlambda after i had read Talk:Brainfuck so i saw that conversation again < 1312947407 567071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i thought i'd leave an update < 1312947426 622976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so do you have any ideas on my dataflow question ;D; ;D ;D < 1312947430 789730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1312947431 674035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlep my eyes e re everywhere < 1312947435 325581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlaup < 1312947475 859292 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i donte evenm wknow why you'd need this dafatlow??? < 1312947493 258885 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor how to make time-order matter help < 1312947497 164996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP THE CHANNEL IS INVADED BY YOUTUBE SPELLERS < 1312947506 466033 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HLEP < 1312947540 267464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: datataafalow, i am trying to, think of, programming languages, that are esoteric, but also, because, parallelism is hard? < 1312947675 151854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Control.Parallel; main = do forkIO (putStr "dataflow"); forkIO (putStr "dataflow") < 1312947676 373134 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you want to make it impossible I missed the im ha-ha < 1312947688 357729 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which confused me < 1312947690 420469 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lote????? < 1312947699 264937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1312947718 975422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the im?? < 1312947732 784750 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: forkio not in scope or some other error? < 1312947737 993217 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in im possible < 1312947742 198482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh < 1312947748 987458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :invalid syntax, no idea why < 1312947749 925139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: right...so.... i need.... hlep... probably from oerjan < 1312947756 483252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: need {} around do body < 1312947759 711226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me < 1312947761 846832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im scientist < 1312947779 310257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that should _not_ be necessary < 1312947792 833718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Control.Parallel; main = do { forkIO (putStr "dataflow"); forkIO (putStr "dataflow") } < 1312947813 265207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh it helped < 1312947817 210113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1312947826 585517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why < 1312947827 310056 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now is it about forkio or what < 1312947831 396561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because the ; terminates the main definition < 1312947836 712103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because your _module_ is non-layout < 1312947842 880404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need to denote nesting explicitly < 1312947849 57811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like you can't say "do do x; y; z" < 1312947853 452786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no it doesn't, do introduces layout < 1312947857 359151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe you can but it won't do what you want < 1312947867 133955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i am... pretty sure it does < 1312947872 636344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t do do x; y; z < 1312947872 862358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you cannot introduce layout inside a non-layout block, correct? < 1312947873 427268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `m a' against inferred type `Expr' < 1312947873 526212 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : In a stmt of a 'do' expression: x < 1312947873 702233 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: < 1312947874 943513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this looks like < 1312947875 294085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1312947878 467321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Foo where { ... } < 1312947881 201509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t do do ?x; ?y; ?z < 1312947881 828707 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b a1. (Monad m, ?x::m a, ?y::m a1, ?z::m b) => m b < 1312947888 785562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Control.Parallel; main = do forkIO (putStr "dataflow"); unmain = forkIO (putStr "dataflow") < 1312947902 644711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1312947904 81594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no syntax error < 1312947904 694088 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the arror < 1312947905 737465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well that's different. i had no further definitions after main < 1312947908 375815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a module error < 1312947915 195182 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Concurrent right < 1312947917 949776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um i do not think haskell has an infinite-lookahea grammar in that sense < 1312947931 238997 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been waiting for whole minutes to guess that forkIO is in concurrent instead of parallell < 1312947964 367479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it doesn't. you need { } if there is a ; _after_ the do block < 1312948021 353064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1312948030 879573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1312948034 432648 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1312948035 200459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Control.Concurrent; main = do { forkIO (putStr "dataflow"); forkIO (putStr "dataflow") } < 1312948039 955950 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dadta < 1312948045 309448 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1312948045 994140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1312948058 393385 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like a babbling baby < 1312948065 242002 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Control.Concurrent; main = do { forkIO (putStr "dataflow"); forkIO (putStr "dataflow") } < 1312948066 225979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1312948070 173515 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dat < 1312948077 569944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Control.Concurrent; main = do { forkIO (putStr "dataflow"); putStr "dataflow" } < 1312948082 578755 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dadtaatfalfolwo < 1312948097 587813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1312948099 286314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bad < 1312948100 268133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program ends before the forkIO runs out < 1312948109 399746 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1312948116 932066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Control.Concurrent; main = do { forkOS (putStr "dataflow"); putStr "dataflow" } < 1312948120 225093 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dadtaatfalfolwow < 1312948126 919971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Control.Concurrent; main = do forkIO (putStr "dataflow"); putStr "dataflow" < 1312948131 530045 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dadtaatfalfolwow < 1312948131 921855 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do continuation passing in Haskell? < 1312948138 318632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh that worked < 1312948166 251203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh < 1312948167 597716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you :P < 1312948170 618637 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: manually write in continuation-passing style, use the Cont monad, others???? < 1312948173 120823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: naturally. that's how the Cont monad works. < 1312948213 102876 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know the Cont monad thanks < 1312948302 843671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: you cannot introduce layout inside a non-layout block, correct? <-- you most certainly can. also i sincerely doubt that !haskell puts any module where { } around stuff, so it should be layout anyway < 1312948349 912927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine :P < 1312948406 848788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not infinite lookahead, it's just that the innermost block is greedy as long as possible < 1312948424 817122 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :After "module ... where" I think you need neither layout nor { } it still works without that < 1312948429 774504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea why i got a syntax error on the first attempt < 1312948469 218189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you don't need indentation, no, but it's still technically a block, just aligned at beginning of line < 1312948525 588677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the layout of it which makes it possible to start new declarations at beginning of line without using ; < 1312948582 258124 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose so. Would it be unambiguous even if you omitted the line breaks? < 1312948601 770143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :without line breaks, ; is required < 1312948645 692246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you might need some { } in inner blocks to ensure ;'s are applied at the right level < 1312948671 861455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there are other reasons to use { } < 1312948694 957782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION never uses {} in real code
< 1312948703 639622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do x <- [1,2]; [x,x] ++ [5] < 1312948705 236991 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,5,2,2,5] < 1312948709 33125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omegamega uses them exclusively though. also that spj paper about stablenames. < 1312948712 101009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok spj+foo) < 1312948714 148876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do { x <- [1,2]; [x,x] } ++ [5] < 1312948715 686303 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,2,2,5] < 1312948723 221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are different < 1312948726 163729 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Omegamega? < 1312948756 992194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course for do expressions you can use ordinary parentheses instead < 1312948768 273208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (do x <- [1,2]; [x,x] ) ++ [5] < 1312948769 691083 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,2,2,5] < 1312948770 958810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: fax's joke name for Ωmega < 1312948786 582061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A9mega (gross conflation of language and implementation on this page) < 1312948792 259537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/omega/ < 1312948793 873084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1312948835 541883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* elliott never uses {} in real code <-- yeah it's only for some bot one liners you need it < 1312948840 3959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1312948929 819773 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But {} would probably be useful in "do" notation and such stuff like that, most commands that need layout, it would be useful to use with, I think. But I think in general not use "do" notation, I just prefer using other commands instead, I guess. < 1312948945 859875 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sometimes I don't know very well, I still don't know a lot of stuff about Haskell < 1312948977 51159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well do notation is only syntactic sugar, so a matter of taste < 1312949023 739614 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1312949035 396824 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know, the same things can be written with or without "do" < 1312949057 88077 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are all the commands in Haskell that use layout? < 1312949097 503224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :case ... of ..., ... where ..., let ..., do ... < 1312949123 978288 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1312949158 858767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mdo ... (deprecated) and possibly rec ... (it's replacement) from the monad recursion extensions < 1312949172 515647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and proc ... for arrows, i think < 1312949181 372603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe others i haven't heard of < 1312949193 255922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the first line is without extensions < 1312949229 826534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the report says that blocks are introduced by the of, where, let and do keywords < 1312949259 205264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its replacement < 1312949367 989270 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The license for Omega is different in the page linked from Wikipedia and in the repository in Google Code. But clearly the page linked on Wikipedia links to the older license from 2005 < 1312949386 374765 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Wikipedia says "License: Copyrighted" which is too vague < 1312949453 996234 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I corrected it < 1312949580 421385 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have just once, for a single purpose, used a window transparency program. This slowed down the program a lot but still helped. Do you know what purpose this is? < 1312949590 228637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help how do i mutable reference in my dataflow < 1312949941 396774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1312949946 903586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1312949961 223968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :such badness < 1312949995 209406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how can this order independence even work < 1312950003 748831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you implement a xor gate < 1312950017 640094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the inputs change from 00 to 11 < 1312950032 82399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: note that the _value_ of a signal and whether it is _sending_ or not differ < 1312950051 580556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know whether output should stay 0 or be temporary 1 in between < 1312950075 675967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that just means you cannot do a XOR gate (but this doesn't mean you can't do a _logical_ xor gate) < 1312950095 584358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the primitive gate operations are like "forward N inputs to N outputs if all of them are sending, otherwise forward none" < 1312950116 297116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it is OK to have an order dependence on _ceasing_ to send) < 1312950125 962340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1312950148 285310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but if not, then it can then simply be defined to e.g. keep forwarding them until _no_ inputs are on) < 1312950152 47200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that introduces state, though) < 1312950154 697824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is nasty) < 1312950179 390836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not sure these primitives are useful, but... obviously you can do anything "purely functional" with them < 1312950184 343476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they don't care about synchronisation or anything < 1312950194 792484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just wire up the expression tree < 1312950219 379309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that you'd be able to look at a circuit and _avoid computing_ certain things because the things they're plugged into aren't interested in them < 1312950229 389153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. starting to send a signal would not change the rest of the circuit < 1312950241 764476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think without that you'd end up computing a bunch of things you don't need all the time?? < 1312950243 178535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really not sure < 1312950259 679260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically I cannot figure out how to construct a simple mutable reference where you can get the value out of it as a signal and then modify that value < 1312950291 424025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1312950293 218729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well by construct < 1312950294 978563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean as a primitive < 1312950299 440048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has to follow the laws < 1312950330 911115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1312950352 104196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmm < 1312950355 261958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about this... < 1312950369 252498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has two inputs, O and V < 1312950412 703621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when O is on, it lies dormant until V is sending, then reads the value it's receiving, repeatedly, and forwards it on < 1312950421 329719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., if O is on, it's a simple identity gate < 1312950438 37886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if O is _off_, then it stores the value it's currently sending internally < 1312950440 563184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and starts ignoring V < 1312950443 394257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just sending off that constant value < 1312950454 367498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or not-sending-at-all, if that's what it was doing when O was on) < 1312950461 526784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is, does this violate the ordering rule wrt O and V < 1312950478 818095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might, because if V's value changes from X to Y in zero point one ms < 1312950485 580854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and O takes between zero point one and zero point two ms to change < 1312950492 884679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1312950499 145650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then whichever arrives first changes the value it's sendinh < 1312950500 852578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sending < 1312950501 636902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1312950515 212996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel this might be an innate problem; I think what I'm trying to do is guarantee that there are no timing issues < 1312950525 380948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only way to do that by totally forbidding any knowledge of time is to forbid state from changing < 1312950534 575627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I can have, like, something that just outputs the integers in sequence forever < 1312950539 908449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a specific kind of state that can't change < 1312950552 850842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think it means you can't construct something that outputs the integers in sequence forever _without it being a primitive_ < 1312950557 937155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it would depend on ordering < 1312951327 20315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1312951354 216286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the model could be perfect < 1312951357 60300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHCIH IS IT?????? < 1312951361 149591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1312951362 64595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan < 1312951362 830891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prove < 1312951363 339512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my < 1312951364 51997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :model < 1312951364 733510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing < 1312951365 629806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :complete < 1312951373 805199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the same primitives as haskell < 1312951376 988450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with the restriction < 1312951380 376831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ < 1312951381 470336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you must use at least one mutable cell < 1312951384 384449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1312951385 404706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1312951386 29929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1312951674 524597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312951677 769257 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312952099 340435 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 7th grade, I was one of the last two people in my grammar school's spelling bee. They gave me the word 'tutu' (I'm a boy). Of course I spelled it wrong, as I had never even seen the word on paper. In your professional opinion, do you think that's cheap and/or rigged? < 1312952105 951041 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--reddit < 1312952122 9381 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they gave me the word tutu (im a boy) < 1312952147 237068 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... How can you not know tutu? < 1312952162 342060 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: because "im a boy" < 1312952166 793084 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheap and/or rigged < 1312952169 315728 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes a boy < 1312952182 525293 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, would that be too potentially gay or some shit? < 1312952265 803206 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too tutu < 1312952308 561120 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://londonrioters.co.uk/ < 1312952309 978467 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i............... < 1312952316 23486 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying to figure out what this is for < 1312952321 609597 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it send all the filled in things to the policy < 1312952500 290577 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1312952504 704875 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.89 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312952569 182915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1312952602 754123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to thinking about being polymorphic on laziness/strictness < 1312952611 472863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sits here until oerjan asks what he means < 1312952640 195799 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312952745 367572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles a merry little tune
< 1312952817 757307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bits oerjan's head off, digests < 1312952848 674885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bites < 1312952919 59815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to figure out what................................... names are
< 1312953042 502479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1312953043 63678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1312953043 408345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1312953043 535969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1312953047 341726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :name < 1312953068 955193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sweet by any other rose would smell as name < 1312953171 723904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1312954373 481578 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1312954526 315169 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is late here, and yet coppro's timezone is just three hours ahead of me, so it would be time to sleep over there too. < 1312954989 751314 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312955079 158410 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I read the article on Funciton today. It's rather polished. < 1312955095 140915 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely approve. < 1312955116 194769 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm thinking of writing basically a 2D Lisp. < 1312955125 37636 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be a good 2d lisp < 1312955169 433453 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be a goody two-lisp. < 1312955247 594220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help monqy what should i call this languag ehelp < 1312955258 297038 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's so much room for development in >1D languages, but they're such a pain to edit. < 1312955258 837373 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the < 1312955261 294082 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dadaflow language < 1312955269 360147 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When looking at the display of my calculator using these movie glasses, wearing them forward results in seeing the display fine in one lens and blocked in the other lens. Rotating does not change anything. When wearing the glasses backward, which lens it is visible though and which is blocked depends on the angle of rotation. < 1312955275 424206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no, < 1312955277 930810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an functional language, < 1312955284 333318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like haskell... but different..... < 1312955287 427072 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it < 1312955288 512450 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@lang < 1312955289 167353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1312955301 760523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1312955332 510725 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it yocto < 1312955349 190710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats yotco < 1312955366 40362 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like zepto but...smaler < 1312955450 979578 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of names are taken but they were probably bad names anyway < 1312955461 662232 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I am bad at names < 1312955515 70847 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is haskel (not haskell; haskel) a good name < 1312955565 108524 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Find a person from history who's awesome and probably wouldn't approve of their name being used for this thing if they were alive. < 1312955569 469752 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name it after them. < 1312955572 687115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: jesus, < 1312955573 412003 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Profit. < 1312955584 431487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will call my language Jesus < 1312955592 970793 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algorithm finds Jesus < 1312955598 132926 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :name your language < 1312955598 218641 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the Nintendo DS display, wearing the glasses forward results in one lens changing the color between blue and white depending on rotation, and the other changing between yellow and white depending on rotation. When wearing backward, both lenses change the color between red, green, and white, depending on rotation. < 1312955599 19555 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dan < 1312955600 320628 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fred < 1312955611 557131 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not Xesus? Because Xs are cool (see the 90s). < 1312955612 864783 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your language has a first name < 1312955614 346762 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a last name < 1312955654 227300 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Gss (plural of Gs, pronounced "Jeezes"). < 1312955663 220283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will name my language evincar < 1312955676 377600 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you don't pronounce it right, that's fine. < 1312955691 419604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronounced evinSTUPID :| < 1312955691 491949 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My actual nick should technically be evinçar or evincer. < 1312955714 824770 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Ev-ing-ker. < 1312955730 990469 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evin car < 1312955738 242354 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An ev-inker. Someone who inks evs. < 1312955757 79458 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should change it to evincdr. < 1312955773 782718 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evintruck < 1312955901 903373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok #jesus is my favourite work of fiction < 1312955906 841293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the most complex drama < 1312956502 755834 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312956897 900845 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1312956908 779378 :mycroftiv!~ircguy@h69-128-47-242.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1312956920 319123 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm disappointed. Didn't pay attention to this channel for fifteen whole minutes and all I get is two lines from elliott? Bah. < 1312956947 578729 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an existing generalisation of type systems? < 1312956968 351559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1312956982 390896 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, continuations : flow control :: what : type systems < 1312957026 4807 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any time there's literature on something, I prefer not to re-invent the wheel. < 1312957042 338276 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I end up in unexplored territory far too often these days. < 1312957048 34799 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's the point of doing a Ph.D. < 1312957056 17664 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Sounds like either unexplored territory or edging on it. < 1312957096 322705 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuation type systems? < 1312957098 233204 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that even mean < 1312957107 602454 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: It means you're underthinking it. < 1312957109 348387 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1312957150 471355 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: I mean, continuations generalise flow control, in the same way that S-expressions generalise program structure, in the same way that macros generalise syntax. Is there a similar abstraction for types? < 1312957161 637019 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaAaah < 1312957163 761835 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not speaking strictly Lisp here, but close. < 1312957190 188787 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt you mean "type classes" or other forms of, essentially, providing more general types, here. < 1312957199 199127 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that's working within the system. < 1312957219 555470 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you can (relatively) easily write Lisp macros that implement strong typing. < 1312957222 940727 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or more specific, either...) < 1312957232 944613 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I feel like that's a cop-out. < 1312957245 673014 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, everything boils down to rewriting eventually. < 1312957250 1354 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for special forms. < 1312957269 246362 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I mean, what are the primitives from which a type system is constructed? < 1312957306 167883 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the primitives from which a proof is constructed? < 1312957320 831734 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Axioms, and theorems derived from axioms. :P < 1312957336 236314 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's your answer, I suppose. < 1312957338 382748 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most vacuous response I can manage. < 1312957368 331504 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what bothers me is that types imbue values with meaning, so you can't have a value without (implicit or explicit) type. < 1312957371 517035 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: a bunch of values and a relation on those values < 1312957376 154595 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that type systems generally aren't specified in terms of their axioms. < 1312957398 157909 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :types are just sets of values, usually constratined in some fashion < 1312957422 168902 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could formulate "a type describes a size, alignment, and either signedness or floatness" as your axioms. < 1312957433 34908 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, no < 1312957434 912218 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then derive constraints from those axioms. < 1312957435 860728 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :type thoery < 1312957440 245913 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Well, types are proofs. < 1312957447 402415 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :your set of values forms a complete partial order < 1312957459 695801 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the question... < 1312957500 56607 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see types in terms of set theory. I see sets as emergent behaviour or secondary restrictions on types. < 1312957525 218139 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: dude, type thoery < 1312957527 259305 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*theory < 1312957528 842740 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The natural numbers emerge from an unbounded unsigned integral type. < 1312957533 315389 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to continue repeating this < 1312957541 373627 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there exists a branch of mathematics < 1312957547 857552 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :called type theory < 1312957552 682697 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :remarkably, it is the theory of types < 1312957562 621814 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're pulling a Sgeo here < 1312957613 377032 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, by being practical? :P < 1312957704 915438 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, by saying "I wonder what happens if X?" < 1312957709 876395 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hearing "it's been done" < 1312957720 60440 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and going "Maybe it involves Y?" < 1312957728 691934 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hearing "No, it doesn't." < 1312957733 20349 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and going "If it had Y, you'd need Z" < 1312957742 681280 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hearing "Maybe, but it doesn't have Y." < 1312957742 851151 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say "if X" to begin with, though. < 1312957743 997226 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1312957751 238805 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :same principle < 1312957764 343346 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said "is there such a thing as a primitive of type systems?" < 1312957785 138190 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A generalisation under which type systems can be constructed. < 1312957794 180485 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1312957796 903876 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is called type theory < 1312957964 57753 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the operation that defines a type system is...? < 1312958019 156219 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1312958065 330162 :mycroftiv!~ircguy@h69-128-47-242.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312959048 144496 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-110-119.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1312963531 541007 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312963867 753329 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1312963996 569217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@cl-394.sto-01.se.sixxs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312964001 857889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@cl-394.sto-01.se.sixxs.net QUIT :Changing host < 1312964001 930390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1312965585 627046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312965753 275568 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312967227 893550 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1312967291 938331 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312967345 520523 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning! < 1312967472 291664 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1312969552 566852 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312969918 379172 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1312970054 859679 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312970480 240917 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-23-1.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1312970480 350683 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-23-1.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1312970480 350775 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1312971604 106137 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-177-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312971708 686694 :pingveno_!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312971970 202639 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312971972 262129 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312971973 563645 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312971974 439204 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312971974 614417 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312971977 773224 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312972152 608094 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1312972402 562898 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1312972414 462887 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1312972439 226650 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312972744 193620 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1312972763 10859 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's you? < 1312972764 877792 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1312972922 805550 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too great, honestly. < 1312973098 27396 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The capital-F Future has turned out kinda lame, hasn't it? < 1312973144 986695 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1312973241 266690 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What up what up? < 1312973253 735753 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My homies are all up < 1312973285 236517 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Capital F Fuck the capital F Future < 1312973564 577975 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to watch Dexter and forget about how I feel. < 1312973912 514728 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-177-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :augur < 1312975339 919124 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312975466 704533 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@81-233-163-248-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1312975476 523930 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@81-233-163-248-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1312975766 647232 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A haiku in brainfuck: < 1312975773 402360 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[. < 1312975777 847931 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :,]++ < 1312975779 463934 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :--+ < 1312975882 16199 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively: < 1312975900 249573 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comma, bracket, stop < 1312975911 286020 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comma, close bracket, plus, plus < 1312975916 409816 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minus, minus, plus < 1312975949 167535 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1312976359 894976 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312976568 556092 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1312976760 871285 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone mind if I make a language called "I hate your 'I hate your bf-derivative I really do' I really do"? < 1312976864 197839 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, but that sort of thing is liable to escalate, and then you run out of different quote-like characters. < 1312976866 627501 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Make it a recursive acronym < 1312976913 980667 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIBBLLIS? < 1312976928 985342 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIBBLLIS isn't brainfuck but looks like it is? < 1312976943 803827 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it < 1312977058 887080 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to use B,C,K,W combinatory logic < 1312977102 608291 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :S isn't short for "is" < 1312977115 500134 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YIS < 1312977122 731681 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which stands for Yes It Is < 1312977124 47208 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NII < 1312977133 695051 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SU < 1312977136 779603 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in knights who say? < 1312977158 814727 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about "TIARA" < 1312977173 529818 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the first Python reference I've made since I made fun of shitty interpreted languages < 1312977189 204525 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which stands for "TIARA Is A Recursive Algorithm" < 1312977266 220052 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you'd say s/Algorithm/Acronym/ < 1312977282 475678 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what I meant < 1312977338 923808 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_acronym#Notable_examples < 1312977342 397224 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already been done < 1312977359 528879 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1312977360 349751 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_acronym#Non-technical_examples < 1312977371 600411 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dayum < 1312977387 264841 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stick with MIBBLLII < 1312977393 234228 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronounced mibbly < 1312977654 298998 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In MIBBLLII, > and < are IO < 1312977805 244289 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<> takes a single bit of input and prints it < 1312977844 394114 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't that mean that > and < are OI? < 1312977855 176530 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said which order < 1312977864 540152 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And actually no < 1312977915 375306 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< x prints x 1 0 < 1312977937 722360 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1312977939 521795 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> takes a bit from input and returns . if that bit is 1 and .,. if that bit is 0 < 1312977940 751465 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `,' < 1312977954 368308 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, lambdabot < 1312977996 865633 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :, a b returns a b b < 1312978004 66436 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and . a b returns a < 1312978200 712997 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ a b c returns a [b c] < 1312978210 25350 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- a b c returns a c b < 1312978221 109204 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ and ] are for grouping < 1312978224 286674 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1312978227 557497 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is Turing Complete < 1312978244 671139 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TITC is Turing Complete"? < 1312978323 511572 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TITCBIWSKICC is Turing Complete by isomorphism with SKI combinatory calculus < 1312978380 191016 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronounced titsee-bio-skee-see-see < 1312978387 574034 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a long o < 1312978390 574847 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo < 1312978473 975423 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TITC as-is sounds like some sort of C variant where all the arithmetic types have been replaced by one that holds a single ternary digit. < 1312978483 597801 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312978490 293878 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1312978501 170776 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Work-in-progress < 1312978583 553697 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S = +[+[+,]-][++] = +[+,][++-] < 1312978589 597296 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :K = . < 1312978595 713000 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I = ,. < 1312978695 300501 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot believe ICBIINB is not brainfuck? < 1312978716 987215 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go with TITC < 1312978767 275695 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was thinking TITC was just a sexually frustrated C variant < 1312978795 128432 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, MIIBBLLII < 1312978957 356121 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, how does that code work? o.o < 1312978968 1158 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B,C,K,W_system < 1312978997 87512 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :'This system was discovered' < 1312979002 552532 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure you can't discover maths guys < 1312979026 802265 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He found it in his doctoral thesis Grundlagen der kombinatorischen Logik < 1312979034 378525 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just lying there < 1312979035 242862 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was there all along and no-one knew < 1312979038 299301 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1312979042 992752 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to have lunch now, bye < 1312979064 91847 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the problem is that SKI doesn't compute bytes. < 1312979069 241889 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net NICK :TanebIsHavingLun < 1312979096 110579 :TanebIsHavingLun!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've defined IO similar to how Binary Lambda Calculus does it < 1312979123 173776 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are the continuations? < 1312979139 472381 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1312979185 508396 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the problem is that in order for it to work correctly ,. has to input and output a bf program. < 1312979265 644660 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is brainfuck so popular? < 1312979284 93163 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was one of the first < 1312979293 528708 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. < 1312979360 448224 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, because its specification is tiny but working with it is hugely difficult, it's easy to write a compiler/interpreter for and it's still turing complete < 1312979380 76318 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it has a dirty word like right there in the name. < 1312979386 481875 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very minimal model of a Turing machine, yet it's considered "esoteric" because of its unusual programs. < 1312979460 299549 :TanebIsHavingLun!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1312980453 2750 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1312980765 50210 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312981520 197433 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : /win 4 < 1312981982 923474 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1312982007 724142 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1312982172 538557 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/win some, /lose some. < 1312982406 839944 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/1136780 < 1312982410 906492 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had way too much time on my hands. < 1312982423 688795 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess how evil.py works. < 1312982522 847554 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish #esoteric was all up in #haskell right now < 1312982645 495581 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :all up in that bitch < 1312982691 451645 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'd be fun < 1312983345 166860 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312983377 699833 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312983505 291452 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1312983547 74831 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :Don't enjoy unlocking the matrix of ununseptide, please. | wget -s 42 redpill | man mouth | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1312983632 548336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's disputed whether ununseptium would be a halogen, but I don't think anyone actually cares.) < 1312983632 881334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1312983730 852866 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1312983807 767706 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312984853 464077 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, so you could use unsafeCoerce to artificially change the phantom type of a GADT, right? < 1312984856 460417 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no issues. < 1312985457 626376 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dammit, the cat brought in a mouse. < 1312985469 71988 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB or PS/2? < 1312985485 493107 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, I'll have to catch it first. < 1312985486 753114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB. < 1312985683 975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, I lost it. < 1312985874 712927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1312985899 579087 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it, it's hiding in the curtains. < 1312985907 936693 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just have to waid. < 1312985910 132232 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wait < 1312986104 52705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW AM I BEING OUTWITTED BY A MOUSE < 1312986110 203542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I'll get the cat! < 1312986155 872548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE IS HE THE LITTLE BASTARD < 1312986162 188216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHOW SOME MAMMALIAN SOLIDARITY < 1312986198 770848 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mice are mammals too < 1312986203 437808 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As are koalas < 1312986264 89637 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And platypuses < 1312986320 171900 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python from ctypes import *;tuple=(None,);memmove(id(tuple)+12,byref(c_uint(id(tuple))),sizeof(c_uint));print tuple < 1312986322 580749 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/input.32634: line 1: 32642 Segmentation fault python < 1312986325 473555 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1312986332 200648 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python from ctypes import *;tuple=(None,);memmove(id(tuple)+20,byref(c_uint(id(tuple))),sizeof(c_uint));print tuple < 1312986333 19140 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/input.32692: line 1: 32699 Segmentation fault python < 1312986361 519152 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python from ctypes import *;tuple=(None,);memmove(id(tuple)+20,byref(c_uint(id(tuple))),sizeof(c_uint));print tuple[0]==tuple < 1312986362 316773 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): < 1312986380 690608 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python from ctypes import *;tuple=(None,);memmove(id(tuple)+12,byref(c_uint(id(tuple))),sizeof(c_uint));print tuple[0]==tuple < 1312986381 441560 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/input.374: line 1: 381 Segmentation fault python < 1312986384 863659 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1312986396 325682 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python from ctypes import *;tuple=(None,);memmove(id(tuple)+24,byref(c_uint(id(tuple))),sizeof(c_uint));print tuple[0]==tuple < 1312986397 148015 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/input.437: line 1: 444 Segmentation fault python < 1312986401 468980 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lols < 1312986415 710030 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python print "!python print \"test\"" < 1312986416 415208 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!python print "test" < 1312986448 345858 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python from ctypes import *;tuple=(None,);memmove(u_void_p(id(tuple)+24),byref(c_uint(id(tuple))),sizeof(c_void_p));print tuple[0]==tuple < 1312986449 155608 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): < 1312986464 226788 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python from ctypes import *;tuple=(None,);memmove(c_void_p(id(tuple)+24),byref(c_uint(id(tuple))),sizeof(c_void_p));print tuple[0]==tuple < 1312986464 879688 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, EgoBot doesn't call itself < 1312986465 84221 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/input.653: line 1: 660 Segmentation fault python < 1312986473 627949 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also its version of Python is earlier than 3.0 < 1312986482 534478 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python from ctypes import *;tuple=(None,);memmove(c_void_p(id(tuple)+38),byref(c_uint(id(tuple))),sizeof(c_void_p));print tuple[0]==tuple < 1312986483 371341 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :False < 1312986501 20253 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python from ctypes import *;tuple=(None,);memmove(c_void_p(id(tuple)+40),byref(c_uint(id(tuple))),sizeof(c_void_p));print tuple[0]==tuple < 1312986501 836688 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :False < 1312986548 382178 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python exec """from ctypes import *;tuple=(None,)\nfor x in range(5):\n memmove(c_void_p(id(tuple)+24+8*x),byref(c_uint(id(tuple))),sizeof(c_void_p));print tuple[0]==tuple""" < 1312986549 202411 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/input.878: line 1: 885 Segmentation fault python < 1312986566 106547 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python exec """from ctypes import *;tuple=(None,)\nfor x in range(5):\n memmove(c_void_p(id(tuple)+32+8*x),byref(c_uint(id(tuple))),sizeof(c_void_p));print tuple[0]==tuple""" < 1312986566 922987 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :False < 1312986579 20491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This mouse is mocking me, I swear. < 1312986586 635446 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python exec """from ctypes import *;tuple=(None,)\nfor x in range(5):\n memmove(c_void_p(id(tuple)+32+8*x),byref(c_uint(id(tuple))),sizeof(c_void_p));print id(tuple[0])""" < 1312986587 533667 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :7517664 < 1312986606 264720 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python exec """from ctypes import *;tuple=(None,)\nfor x in range(5*8):\n memmove(c_void_p(id(tuple)+32+x),byref(c_uint(id(tuple))),sizeof(c_void_p));print id(tuple[0])""" < 1312986607 68472 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :7517664 < 1312986621 986826 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, this isn't working. =p < 1312986661 396963 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c #include < 1312986663 659642 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1312986674 692360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1312986678 69770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear < 1312986686 518574 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!getinterp c < 1312986686 686128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not moving around in the same space I am < 1312986747 524887 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c #include int main() {PyFunctionObject f;printf("%u",((unsigned int)&(f.ob_item))-((unsigned int)&f));} < 1312986748 895477 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1312986778 493212 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "#include " > test.c < 1312986781 729408 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1312986795 167187 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "int main() {PyFunctionObject f;printf(\"%u\",((unsigned int)&(f.ob_item))-((unsigned int)&f));}" > test.c < 1312986796 454616 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1312986800 144953 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run gcc -o test test.c < 1312986801 886299 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1312986803 967370 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./test < 1312986805 213588 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1312986806 992942 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1312986808 534052 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ babies \ bin \ bluhbluh \ env \ foo \ paste \ ps \ quine.pl \ quine2.pl \ quine3.pl \ quotes \ quotese \ tekst \ test.c \ tmp.tmp \ tmpdir.1749 \ warez \ тэкст < 1312986812 618970 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste test.c < 1312986813 687026 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.20696 < 1312986823 858959 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "#include " > test.c < 1312986825 185032 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1312986827 945616 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "int main() {PyFunctionObject f;printf(\"%u\",((unsigned int)&(f.ob_item))-((unsigned int)&f));}" >> test.c < 1312986829 52367 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1312986832 54045 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run gcc -o test test.c < 1312986833 212715 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1312986834 595938 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./test < 1312986835 650588 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1312986840 223362 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sh -c ./test < 1312986841 348938 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1312986844 427364 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste test.c < 1312986845 609347 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.8594 < 1312986847 647773 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1312986848 835567 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ babies \ bin \ bluhbluh \ env \ foo \ paste \ ps \ quine.pl \ quine2.pl \ quine3.pl \ quotes \ quotese \ tekst \ test.c \ tmp.tmp \ tmpdir.2145 \ warez \ тэкст < 1312986863 98105 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which gcc < 1312986864 394293 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/gcc < 1312986870 730867 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /usr/bin/gcc -o test test.c < 1312986872 92326 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1312986877 279292 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gcc -o test test.c < 1312986878 416668 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1312986880 941770 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1312986882 322159 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ babies \ bin \ bluhbluh \ env \ foo \ paste \ ps \ quine.pl \ quine2.pl \ quine3.pl \ quotes \ quotese \ tekst \ test.c \ tmp.tmp \ tmpdir.2361 \ warez \ тэкст < 1312986885 283773 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1312986903 286936 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Hello, I am capable of being used via PM < 1312986904 432183 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, I am capable of being used via PM < 1312986922 493158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, can you just make it ignore Lymee. < 1312986946 730813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or give her n uses and then tell her to use her own damn computer. < 1312987258 875527 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo interesting < 1312987260 106958 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1312987285 909476 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312987310 482767 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1312987343 902163 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Client Quit < 1312987543 367647 :PatashuWarg!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1312987865 290566 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-45.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1312987897 478446 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there is at least one child on this planet named karkat." < 1312987920 961829 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[citation needed] < 1312988008 202357 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/#!/andrewhussie/status/100799021219708928 Ok, so I don't know where he got that from < 1312988112 477673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?30478-Littlest-Homestuck-Fan < 1312988147 589537 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo I am also capable of functioning via PM, and my 'echo' is more interesting. < 1312988147 661432 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also capable of functioning via PM, and my 'echo' is more interesting. I am also capable of functioning via PM, and my 'echo' is more interesting. < 1312988155 812243 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312988173 752279 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo fungot can suck it < 1312988174 342332 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: your sylladex, but you're not about to get into it some time < 1312988174 773954 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot can suck it < 1312988229 762749 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^reverb NO YOU < 1312988229 835028 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NNOO YYOOUU < 1312988343 185385 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1312988856 894642 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1312989074 115310 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src join < 1312989074 615266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :join x = x >>= id < 1312989088 790497 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1312989098 509806 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so simple. < 1312989227 860264 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :list >>= is a beautiful thing. < 1312989268 64590 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is awful < 1312989277 927197 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle IO (IO a) < 1312989278 343547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Exit exitFailure :: IO a < 1312989278 706355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Exit exitSuccess :: IO a < 1312989278 778835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.IO fixIO :: (a -> IO a) -> IO a < 1312989288 656278 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (IO (IO a)) < 1312989289 31085 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Exit exitFailure :: IO a < 1312989289 365137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Exit exitSuccess :: IO a < 1312989289 437599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.IO fixIO :: (a -> IO a) -> IO a < 1312989293 879373 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not what I want. < 1312989308 18107 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoogle is even worse than haskell < 1312989317 91038 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament >>= is an ugly thing. < 1312989347 251309 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filterM (const [True,False]) "Take this!" < 1312989348 90397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["Take this!","Take this","Take thi!","Take thi","Take ths!","Take ths","Ta... < 1312989364 667440 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :powerset to the face. < 1312989366 942395 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it feel. < 1312989390 967662 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel those 2^n possibilities. < 1312989663 811786 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a esolang that refuses to listen sometimes? < 1312989668 323755 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :like refusing to assign variables < 1312989671 826273 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :skipping instructions < 1312989719 170653 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL < 1312989726 839612 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMBIE < 1312989777 678941 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah a language for necromancers < 1312989797 27095 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1312990050 349872 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1312990059 84094 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is weird < 1312990211 668050 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-141.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1312990211 739915 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-141.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1312990211 740050 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1312990230 154389 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-45.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: kthxbye < 1312990432 514739 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1312990484 874211 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm what about the IP following a maze, when it finds a spot where it can go multiple ways it goes where previous instructions pointed it < 1312990485 398140 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1312990635 161442 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-82-80.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312990776 837421 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a cool idea < 1312990800 619285 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a second stack to point the IP < 1312990832 694835 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the first stack for normal operations like calculations and stuff < 1312990881 177204 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IP as a maze wanderer and the program as a maze < 1312990889 407672 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1312990929 391829 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just dont know if i should use images or a normal text file as the input < 1312990937 535748 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you get befunge. < 1312990998 544538 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :again? D: < 1312991177 875212 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1312991185 454009 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn befunge < 1312991193 643319 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1312991195 409656 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has everything i want in my own esolang < 1312991226 749392 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312991421 26679 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1312991572 722553 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1312991587 504240 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :when my pc rebooted i got the best idea ever < 1312991589 731061 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312991605 819516 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a diagonal stack based programming language < 1312991663 787586 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 bit instruction followed by a 4 bit operand < 1312992104 870320 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1312992270 660615 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my main interest area is scripting languages, because i could use them towards making games. as to whether they would be esoteric or not i guess not really < 1312992319 143190 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't have to be that way < 1312992321 81384 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: There's Java2K, it only does what you want with a certain probability. < 1312992360 987646 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rephrasing, I want a language which people would enjoy using. Like a passtime < 1312992397 329280 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it to be the pinocchio of programming languages. < 1312992406 476607 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1312992427 212270 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taking care of poor old Gepetto in his darkest hour. < 1312992561 113866 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a designer th-- badum bum bum.. that's it. That is the formalization of something I have been trying to say. Something truely great will smash through the shell of it's use-cases like a baby bird. < 1312992595 407272 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine has to be understandable but still be unique < 1312992701 329465 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is said that my ramblings are incoherent. So it is. < 1312992713 884972 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :incoherent? < 1312992765 561211 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regardless of that, I look on this thing called 'design'. So how does design progress? Questions are asked such as "what is this supposed to do?" "what are it's use cases?" < 1312992779 144140 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1312992795 415632 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually some things reach a point where the users transcend the plans of the designers. < 1312992891 244718 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So as a designer the challenge is there of how should one consider the possibility that his design will eventually be transcended by it's users. < 1312992928 56915 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1312992929 228059 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he builds in walls and stoppages to prevent this, then it may prevent the design spreading its wings < 1312992946 259288 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want it to be as much expandable as possible? < 1312993001 830491 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Users will find uses for the thing you design beyond what you imagined. < 1312993095 444208 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the question I see there is, can we help those users after they have escaped the prison of our design < 1312993107 991897 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should we let them go and not interfere < 1312993121 673103 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1312993142 4481 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should we ensure they never do anything we didn't plan for them to do? < 1312993185 64358 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ego wants to do the first option. But the second option is probably the "right" one. < 1312993190 981634 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: yes, see OverloadedStrings in Haskell. < 1312993196 659760 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have found several uses that the designer did not intend. < 1312993200 713292 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1312993217 439062 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask elliott about it. < 1312993277 284055 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this raises some pretty serious questions for me. Such as, can you even design a good programming language around possible uses < 1312993298 592780 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just where the hell does it come from. So the design becomes a creative art. < 1312993368 517496 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some bizzare thing which cannot be explained any more than how to paint the Mona Lisa. < 1312993421 135290 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tarantino says he holds his pen up like an antenna < 1312993454 349955 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the dialog comes to him < 1312993530 416789 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now while there is no sure method to paint a Mona Lisa... what people do to compromise is come together and share ideas and what not. Gatherings < 1312993556 569224 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :There have been over the years schools of art, schools of philosophy.. and the mathematicians would have their disciples etc < 1312993606 632785 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually saying anything meaningful but perhaps it is inspiring < 1312993630 278504 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312993754 347967 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does anyone think of MIBBLLII? < 1312994021 777958 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm an attention whore who likes to know what people think of things I have created < 1312994071 190004 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked at the wiki page just now.. and i laughed at the title but didn't realize you made it < 1312994099 611484 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a link to my user page right there < 1312994107 406649 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1312994243 69662 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: So I need to train myself to think in a certain way. Perhaps by telling you this it will advance my cause. < 1312994259 502844 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this still about algebra? < 1312994263 131351 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1312994298 305127 :azaq23!~derivecto@pD9E34111.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312994300 192254 :azaq23!~derivecto@pD9E34111.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1312994300 265163 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312994432 177752 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :A PC is a platform. It has it's CPU and instruction set. It has it's RAM, buses, addressing scheme, Operating System, monitor,speakers, network card, disks, etc. And then there is the human operator. The human has the body and the brain and the PC and his bedroom or garage. The human has his textbooks and notebooks and his sciences, emotions, thoughts, etc. < 1312994476 319196 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a programming language is about going from the human to the PC, according to _such_ understandings of 'human' and 'PC'. < 1312994492 603941 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ish. < 1312994505 880259 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, yes < 1312994539 1429 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The higher-level the programming language, the less work a human has to do and the more a PC. Low level is the other way round < 1312994571 605367 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even on the lowest level programming language, the separation between humand and pc is still pertinent. < 1312994600 116680 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1312994615 52256 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All programming languages are somewhere between the human and the computer < 1312994663 646470 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that the actual history of that which can be called programming goes back centuries, possibly millenia, but the punch cards represent the first common modern interface. < 1312994682 942600 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not punch cards then it was a matter of rewiring < 1312994727 281150 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1312994769 19813 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think there may be a vast chasm of unexplored space which has been largely ignored because someone built a bridge over it < 1312994796 390100 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as? < 1312994833 583812 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, first of all.. why is there a 1 to 1 association between programming and language < 1312994846 270801 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312994849 822283 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: you'd make a great liberal arts major. < 1312994852 749595 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there no other means of programming a computer than using a language? < 1312994900 5564 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any < 1312994908 482595 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :This juncture gets us to ask what do we even mean by a language < 1312994918 919748 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless raw machine code doesn't count as a language < 1312994933 289631 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :raw machine code is the PC side of things < 1312994958 991112 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are we making a reification fallacy by saying language? < 1312994985 197483 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :anthropomorphizing the pc < 1312995026 782906 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh somehow it seems to help, seems to work better that way < 1312995047 908167 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just questioning it. Theres probably good reasons for it to be the way it is. < 1312995106 453251 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it is because modern PC is designed as a kind of robot < 1312995113 275018 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1312995177 84926 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :........ < 1312995193 744046 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe uhh... maybe we sort of anthropomorphize a book when we read it, as though it was speaking to us. < 1312995215 65621 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :aside from the question of subvocalization < 1312995242 287909 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of a way to approximate the author who cannot be present < 1312995300 692172 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :... i know that enough is enough.. im gonna end rant. < 1312995332 403901 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a language is such a formalism used to describe a kind of data. < 1312995341 644757 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/such/just/ < 1312995373 235179 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, in theory, used for the sake of being defined. < 1312995461 583049 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language is less of a language and more of a notation < 1312995468 769683 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A protocol is more of a language < 1312995605 519206 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: so no, a language is not the only way to program a computer, but you can probably model most means as a language. < 1312995745 584323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH THAT BLOODY MOUSE < 1312995750 902924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT MOCKS ME < 1312995755 105488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAA < 1312995759 64375 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IF THE MOUSE < 1312995762 25737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS ACTUALLY < 1312995765 939052 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEHIND ME < 1312995767 658258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IF I < 1312995770 785528 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AM ACTUALLY < 1312995772 706429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MOUSE < 1312995775 91264 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you are a finite state automata. < 1312995781 152250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IF < 1312995783 956507 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a theoretical vending machine. < 1312995784 28395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IF INDEED < 1312995790 611478 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then eventually he would either halt or repeat < 1312995799 949035 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I am... a phantom hoover. < 1312995803 669377 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose "dude..." would be an acceptable answer to most "what if" questions. < 1312995849 346260 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "whoa..." < 1312995861 214245 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1312995938 543578 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What If I am actually itidus20 dreaming he is Taneb? < 1312995944 813985 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so I feel I am drawing towards the whorf sapir hypothesis. which i first heard about in relation to lojban. so someone in here nicely told me that it is all but discredited. < 1312995971 840627 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows that chuang tzu wrote such a story about a butterfly.
< 1312995983 848280 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its in about the same state as the wire-crossing problem < 1312995990 211965 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :But.. what about a graph of creatures dreaming they are other creatures? < 1312995998 764025 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we're cooking < 1312996004 196534 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The strong form is pretty much certainly false, but the weak form is pretty much certainly true < 1312996043 865601 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The man dreams he is a butterfly. The butterfly dreams it is a snake. The snake dreams it is a pidgeon. The pidgeon dreams it is a butterfly. < 1312996085 644779 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah forget it. < 1312996112 901858 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, lets ignore my last post < 1312996133 715892 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ok here is the paradox. < 1312996222 381044 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite having no obstructions, machine code or perhaps assembly is not necessarily the language with which the computer can be most fully exploited < 1312996268 275096 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1312996269 827355 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :we speak of turing complete a lot.. but what about CPU-complete? :D < 1312996306 35721 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean a finite state automaton with an exceedingly large number of states? < 1312996320 970808 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that that's a bit harder to define. e.g. Bitxtreme is arguably "CPU-complete", but entirely useless. < 1312996335 843773 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, like Taneb said :P < 1312996360 443642 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never shut up.. I am the bane of those who would read the logs < 1312996373 244479 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That being said, see http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Bounded-storage_machine < 1312996418 560038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, no, that's elliott. < 1312996434 927390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He takes great pride in the fact that he talks twice as much as his nearest contender. < 1312996457 772091 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I mean it is likely that some compilers will have certain opcodes which they simply never generate. < 1312996493 215026 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the question of whether a compiler should have a means other than inline asm to generate every last opcode, or, if not, does it imply that those missing opcodes are like appendages < 1312996517 449986 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^compiler/interpreter :-? < 1312996526 884745 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiler is right < 1312996557 818223 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the compiled language is capable of everything raw machine code is, and the compiler actually works, that implies that those opcodes are redundant < 1312996652 787301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Hofstadter's book, Godel Escher Bach, the Lamp is made of copper, the Meta-Lamp is silver, the Meta-Meta-Lamp is gold, it does not say what the Meta-Meta-Meta-Lamp is made of, I can probably guess but what do you think? < 1312996679 32152 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :assembly programmers like to tout(spelling?) that they have more control than a higher level programmer < 1312996686 51513 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: platinum? < 1312996718 141144 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: they have more control over what the computer is doing, but exactly the same control on what it does < 1312996723 182189 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, step aside, I'm the official channel expert on precious metals. < 1312996727 676785 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. But I think it would be roentgenium < 1312996776 827556 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK if you are expert probably you know better than either of us. What do you think? < 1312996788 544032 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I really like ORK. I haven't tried to use it but it seems to stand tall as an esolang. < 1312996832 47416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, platinum is still the obvious one. < 1312996923 833811 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A case can be made for unbipentium < 1312996926 545817 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really like aubergine still. < 1312996931 750487 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though it hasn't been discovered < 1312996932 566724 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION winks at boily
< 1312996937 580376 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, OK. I am not expert on precious metals so I suppose you know better. But, then what is the Meta-Meta-Meta-Meta-Lamp made of? Do you know? I don't know. < 1312996948 642188 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that one's made of upsidaisium < 1312997007 137144 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 quintopia < 1312997015 58526 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-26.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1312997026 465561 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Thank you for putting that voice in my head :P < 1312997031 625491 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Upsidaisium?!" < 1312997040 882287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, palladium. < 1312997060 17869 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK. What's next? < 1312997070 646090 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iridium! < 1312997085 862529 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. < 1312997112 195938 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you should ask the genie whether PH is just pulling metal out of his ass < 1312997194 585544 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, it would be a way to do so, if it were possible < 1312997242 172843 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I said roentgenium but I don't know anything about precious metals anyways so maybe I am wrong < 1312997366 322700 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is true that some compilers do not generate all opcodes of the CPU, but some of them could be used to do things that the code does, in a shorter way. Such as, the ASCII adjust commands in x86 < 1312997397 118438 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: So going back to my point about PC/human. I think what has happened is that everyone in programming has been channeled into a very standard mindset of programming with many unnecessary bonds to mathematics. < 1312997441 313990 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :A programmer does not NEED to know what a number is. < 1312997488 713614 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does a fractran programmer need to know? < 1312997491 824735 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: I think it depends on the program, isn't it? < 1312997503 194073 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can't program without concept of quantity < 1312997505 773815 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yup < 1312997510 212002 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can < 1312997521 204680 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but < 1312997556 532139 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans function with quantity instinctively without a complex mathematical concept of it < 1312997581 23932 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me an example of a program that one could make whilst completely ignoring the concept of quantity < 1312997599 282093 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about.. a programming language for the illiterate :D < 1312997604 228148 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Parts of programs, perhaps. < 1312997611 345306 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh they can still speak.. i am forgetting that < 1312997612 753205 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i mean even the human instinctive concept of quantity < 1312997624 285666 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could speak into a microphone if they are illiterate < 1312997650 919743 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the very least, you should be able to compare entities < 1312997652 920853 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some cases you just need a series of bits but it is still convenient to write it as a number, in base 2, base 8, or base 16. < 1312997662 433330 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, one is "more" or "less" than another < 1312997681 661436 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the fruit of my earlier rant < 1312997732 9570 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And numbers are still useful to describe things in the program even for parts of the program which are not based on numbers. < 1312997739 209783 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can extend or diminish the responsibility of the compiler/interpreter to whatever degree you like. but then it becomes a question of implementability < 1312997765 390197 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit shifting by a constant is one such example. < 1312997768 226699 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. suppose you are a customer.. and you tell a programmer your requirements.. are you a programmer then? < 1312997811 350953 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose if someone chose to differentiate "location" from "quantity" you could do it, if all you needed to do was reference where things were and where they need to be moved to. you could name every location instead of numbering them, thus removing quantity. but if you do that, it becomes much more difficult to determine the spatial relationships between locations < 1312997843 532976 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does the demarcation of programmer and mere designer occur at the point where you speak to a human who speaks to a PC < 1312997890 157791 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in a warehouse, when they aren't even checking the crate contents or counting them, they speak in terms of quantity, like "put this three rows left, four columns back, second shelf" < 1312997923 100590 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or equivalently, "put this in C4 second shelf" < 1312997925 326875 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. I formally accept that a concept of quantity is necessary. < 1312997973 348249 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because otherwise it's just @_@ < 1312997999 971530 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wa hahahahaa < 1312998012 492796 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now you want to be able to differentiate implicit programming (describing a process to another human) and explicit programming (describing a process to a computer)? < 1312998032 937249 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Star Trek programming, where you describe the process to a computer in broad English :P < 1312998038 578036 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn steam sales always happen when i dont have money :( < 1312998049 756340 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that goes in implicit programming. strong AI is practically human. < 1312998068 538301 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, s/another human/an intelligent entity/ < 1312998107 898080 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312998112 647385 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind reading is the wrong answer... it has always been the wrong answer the "mind reading/neural control" < 1312998140 534536 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :since anything "non-qualia" you can think in your head you can tell another human < 1312998250 473022 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so be afraid if they inject you with intelligence medicine, be afraid if they implant a chip in you, be afraid if they hook an EEG machine up to your cubicle < 1312998332 497593 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfff, you're just being paranoid. < 1312998334 958110 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312998350 433284 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hooks his desktop's USB port into the downlink node in his right temple.
< 1312998440 315605 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312998457 948549 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say "be afraid" because by the time they are at the door.. it will be too late to just "assert" that you're not interested. < 1312998487 779583 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are the Bork. Resistance is futile. < 1312998579 602722 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I think the line between implicit and explicit is quickly blurring < 1312998674 701832 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not. wiki is telling me about implicit functions < 1312998710 278062 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think the difference is pretty clear < 1312998725 529712 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is used to describe problems, the other, solutions < 1312998735 508537 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the latter can be rigorously analyzed < 1312998932 191929 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well suppose there was a language which had 256 strings which it would output with a newline based on the value of a byte. < 1312998937 984666 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit it is certainly not turing complete. And it is basically a limited database < 1312998975 26588 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-209-47.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312998976 227319 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-186.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1312999043 394465 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a derivative of hello < 1312999088 381168 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312999243 926552 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if quantity is entirely needed for saving location, at least in the sense of recognising numbers. < 1312999274 957059 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1312999552 294894 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is another question here. :D The question of whether a programmer is still a programmer if they do not understand their own language. < 1312999579 605897 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can they use that language effectively? < 1312999681 860766 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The possible solutions which can be created by a turing machine are an unbounded quantity. < 1312999702 351794 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unbounded but countable < 1312999705 571938 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it seems anyway.. i am not in any position to make such a bold claim < 1312999751 589859 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The implication is that noone truely understands what the turing machine is capable of. < 1312999767 628872 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do they understand it if they do not understand it's full potential? < 1312999793 104877 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know every single word in your native language? < 1312999813 602672 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'll assume English) < 1312999822 382563 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :They understand how to build one. But they don't have an omniscient grasp of it. < 1312999828 60992 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I don't! < 1312999831 287541 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-26.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :English has too many loan words < 1312999844 972805 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-26.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to know all greek and latin to know english < 1312999847 100090 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do you count yourself as an English speaker < 1312999853 273482 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do. < 1312999910 637288 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.. perhaps I am distorting the meaning of understanding. < 1312999955 184986 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :into something which is not good for much but my arguing < 1313000035 119399 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :An implicit programmer doesn't know what is possible. < 1313000057 713732 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :He doesn't even fully understand himself (one assumes), let alone another human. < 1313000421 436741 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often it is taught that how programming works is create the source code and it is fed into compiler or interpreter. Fair enough. What I am talking about is the nature of the source code editor. < 1313000458 84920 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. Not only the editor but the language itself too. < 1313000466 995781 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-247.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1313000467 68047 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-247.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1313000467 68216 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1313000479 474838 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sound like some conspiracy theorist < 1313000484 550323 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1313000484 970571 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1313000495 899256 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really.. but i sometimes listen to them < 1313000511 560790 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a nice idea. < 1313000559 511807 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A programming language made to have the source code resemble a consipiracy theory? < 1313000621 661199 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313000626 845666 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313000761 347905 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this: http://oi52.tinypic.com/10ckho8.jpg < 1313000799 356586 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6, 7, 8, 9 < 1313000846 809705 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps can be expressed as: if (a > 5 && a < 10) printf("a\n"); < 1313000865 632509 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1313000877 504532 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf("%d\n",a); < 1313000882 819134 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The memory locations in a computer could just be described as a series of bits, not as numbers. The index into an array could also be a series of bits, and not necessarily even the low bits. < 1313000933 920710 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish i could think of a slightly less trivial < 1313000977 2936 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking it could be based on something like compass and traightedge. < 1313001065 275386 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-46.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313001083 665849 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm not really sure how to sue it to represent memory. < 1313001139 682269 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oragami can also be used for math, and can so some things compass and straightedge can't, but I'm not sure it it would really be easier to make a programming language based on it. < 1313001260 258036 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :venn diagrams don't really lend themselves to sequence very well < 1313001281 401638 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps they would be better for functional programming < 1313001304 453857 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your venn diagram looked kind of not at all like a venn diagram < 1313001305 638682 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1313001325 726455 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1313001475 455644 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I can think of no better way of drawing conditional expressions < 1313001501 386100 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should try a more complex expression < 1313001982 93 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the documentation for the ZOMBIE programming language is a bit vague, some things are not written clear and I do not exactly understand some things about it. < 1313001996 360972 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it is vague. < 1313002009 999986 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take it up with Dr. David Morgan-Mar < 1313002043 655231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : The memory locations in a computer could just be described as a series of bits, not as numbers. The index into an array could also be a series of bits, and not necessarily even the low bits. <-- you could also describe the memory locations in a computer as a set of capacitor connected in an intricate manner, providing a way to access individual ones. < 1313002060 31606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, not quite true. You address it by the word length < 1313002085 951169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what the word length for common PC DRAM modules is. 8 bits or larger i guess < 1313002213 379761 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is largely up to the language designer as to whether the programmer needs to know how much memory is being used. :D < 1313002264 305807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : this: http://oi52.tinypic.com/10ckho8.jpg <-- image based language? < 1313002270 753092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hope that is the input file!) < 1313002290 67710 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no actual language spec or interpreter or compiler.. only that image. < 1313002300 196225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1313002305 567161 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is much of a dead end :P i just wanted to throw it out there < 1313002345 650007 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't endorse the idea that someone else pick up what i discard < 1313002351 408433 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what you will < 1313002363 289972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, don't worry, I'm too lazy < 1313002364 883471 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else mentioned similar things though perhaps < 1313002377 990191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, anyway I gather you are no fan of open source then? < 1313002381 674395 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just watched cube2: hypercube < 1313002385 685532 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant think straight anymore < 1313002404 348194 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i just thnk that.. the idea is broken < 1313002426 818625 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the idea of the picture i drew < 1313002429 439151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, how so? < 1313002430 440100 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the idea of open source < 1313002441 732013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, still: how so? < 1313002452 777047 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. i would not like to be responsible for someone else wasting hours away just to implement that piece of cra < 1313002455 369956 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1313002486 693073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, it could be done as a part of a larger language, where control flow is input as a flow chart < 1313002496 658903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with venn diagram in the condition boxes < 1313002501 26343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, that way it could work < 1313002506 571685 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :also.. the idea doesn't really scale very well < 1313002519 469901 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, true, but many esolangs don't < 1313002523 538435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can still be interesting < 1313002524 414960 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it does. maybe theres something in it < 1313002548 979251 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i like open source.. more specificially i hate patents < 1313002589 259421 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :open source and patents are not opposites though < 1313002631 370040 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then what is the benefit of reading an open source which is patented < 1313002642 212259 :invariable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1313002668 360616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, indeed. I'm opposed to patents and I like open source. But it is perfectly possible for someone to oppose patents and oppose open source < 1313002677 461745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or oppose patents and not care about open source < 1313002682 158092 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1313002707 18823 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't mind patents if they were shorter. < 1313002729 556089 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1313002745 928611 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am slowly realizing that my opinion about them is of no value. < 1313002746 239801 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1313002775 426427 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have written a MIBBLLII CAT < 1313002776 800212 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that my opinion is self-interested from a specific position in relation to larger economic entities than myself < 1313002851 14491 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it seems highly likely in this world of no free lunches that something dear would have to be sacrificed to eliminate software patents < 1313002857 452991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, never heard of that language before < 1313002867 75978 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I created it earlier today < 1313002892 907770 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIBBLLII stands for MIBBLLII Isn't Brainfuck But Looks Like It Is < 1313002896 192809 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, < 1313002899 549434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, is it on the wiki < 1313002900 408998 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is economic thermodynamics. < 1313002904 396296 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you not in the other channel < 1313002907 529260 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1313002910 861719 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1313002953 71162 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: which other channel? He's in #esoteric-minecraft < 1313002963 404210 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as we can never rid ourselves of germs < 1313002963 739963 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other other channel < 1313002969 673969 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1313002979 337806 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only ever been on two channels on freenode < 1313002985 305501 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :supposing we were to rid ourselves of harmful germs.. would then our good germs not take up the opportunity to turn bad < 1313002999 804830 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the nasty germs keep the good germs in check < 1313003075 656409 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I admit some envy of MIBBLLII < 1313003083 140785 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope this is not taken as offence < 1313003092 401271 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, he means #jesus < 1313003100 235934 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1313003103 557759 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That other channel < 1313003111 236101 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: define envy < 1313003120 977369 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wish you did it first? < 1313003124 618772 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :one moment... < 1313003145 542706 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a word from my language english, so I shall consult my dictionary < 1313003215 696967 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without notion of malevolence: a Desire to equal another in achievement or excellence; emulation. < 1313003226 646558 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that's a compliment < 1313003253 391642 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. His aduancement shall ingender in noble men an honest enuie. < 1313003278 477488 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. Such as cleanliness and decency Prompt to a virtuous envy. < 1313003362 144906 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least thats what I think I meant. < 1313003368 496611 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is hard to be sure of these things. < 1313003646 798717 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just signed up for the Spotify waiting list < 1313003659 257886 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less than a minute later, I get an email saying my wait is over < 1313003684 987194 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convinient < 1313003860 561831 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people. < 1313003863 256039 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Youuuuuuuuuuuu people. < 1313003872 135851 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Gregor < 1313003875 370349 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus people < 1313003876 125722 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen you in a while < 1313003901 317208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK there is a guy in #jesus who is a Wolfram employee and thinks Wolfram is a genius. < 1313003922 731675 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey pooppy. < 1313003954 293050 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since #jesus is not the official channel of Jesus, shouldn't it be ##jesus? < 1313004196 303755 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :attempting to apply my truth table notation from about a week ago to combinatrics I get: I x = 2bitTT(0,1) x = x; K x y = 4bitTT(0,0,1,1) x y = x; S f g x = ??? = f x(g x); < 1313004220 17032 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya... i didn't try very hard.. >.< < 1313004227 195740 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combinatorics and combinatory logic are different < 1313004279 316893 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :My conception of the truth tables fully covers the I and K .. but S seems like it would screw my head a bit < 1313004314 625345 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a truth table that can take a truth table as input < 1313004324 954118 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is how i envisiioned them < 1313004334 23615 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried writing up a BNF of it < 1313004399 756440 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i deleted it in the end from the looks of it but te idea is simple enough < 1313004439 476362 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :since a truth table will ultimately resolve to 0 or 1 once all free variables are filled in < 1313004468 403442 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reading about combinatory logic as linked from miibbllii < 1313004517 614710 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think my idea really had the sufficient flexibility to support the S combinator < 1313004728 573268 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind you are right the are different < 1313004757 475507 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Plan 9 Protocol should be assigned a USB device class number (possibly number 0x90). < 1313004813 683475 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-26.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: bedtimezzz < 1313005763 398636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1313006114 450835 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-209-47.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: New kernel. < 1313006538 270737 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-209-47.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313006601 433044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : help monqy what should i call this languag ehelp < 1313006606 318553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehelp it is, then < 1313006683 258439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : evincar: jesus, < 1313006697 567362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he would probably approve. his followers, on the other hand... < 1313006734 228032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why not Xesus? Because Xs are cool (see the 90s). < 1313006751 174697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case i think Xristos would be more traditional < 1313006963 300271 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1313007046 395058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Probably not, but that sort of thing is liable to escalate, and then you run out of different quote-like characters. < 1313007053 346175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :' and " can be alternated < 1313007075 446401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in INTERCAL iirc < 1313007087 184027 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh snap < 1313007091 187709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1313007115 416200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:12 oerjan> Probably not, but that sort of thing is liable to escalate, and then you run out of different quote-like characters. < 1313007118 693077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:12 oerjan> ' and " can be alternated < 1313007121 330845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:12 oerjan> like in INTERCAL iirc < 1313007151 835514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot keep the main INTERCAL maintainer out of the discussion, er monologue < 1313007154 997036 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 22:12 oerjan> Probably not, but that sort of thing is liable to escalate, and then you run out of different quote-like characters. < 1313007155 328696 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 22:12 oerjan> ' and " can be alternated < 1313007155 401180 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 22:12 oerjan> like in INTERCAL iirc < 1313007156 58614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you typically don't even need to alternate in INTERCAL < 1313007161 319508 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this copypaste day < 1313007172 668663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, it makes things clearer, and it makes them less ambiguous in some cases involving array subscripts < 1313007177 905035 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we want to make a reenactment of the last time we did it < 1313007213 777218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: you almost managed to irritate me there < 1313007234 715820 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, i thought it was fun the last time we did that though < 1313007246 324842 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we ended up with something like 12-13 nicks in one message. < 1313007252 116066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1313007266 643202 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that was in 2009. < 1313007640 134253 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry oerjan i didn't want to irritate you!! < 1313007682 651711 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : But what irritates me the most is when people use multiple exclamation points! < 1313007683 941520 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, i have just thought about this place, because someone in #postgresql was asking if CTE's are TC < 1313007707 463034 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly enough they can be recursive < 1313007722 173953 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is very cool, i don't even know how to imagine this sort of thing < 1313007737 355118 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you picture a recursive select statement?? < 1313007786 408030 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuffed mushrooms nom < 1313007808 974614 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like the perfect answer to me. < 1313007887 172358 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, with cheese? < 1313007901 743265 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things, yes < 1313007903 476008 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homemade < 1313007911 319670 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :onions? < 1313007973 709064 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caramel? < 1313007991 30517 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemon jelly? < 1313008001 125629 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marmite? < 1313008008 593862 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm, marmite. < 1313008021 788976 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :could have some now, but damn if i find any in stupid germany < 1313008022 846548 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marmite�: Now with 25% more earwax! < 1313008044 590070 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :earwax: now with 50% more maggots! < 1313008059 239327 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I convinced a German colleague of mine to try Marmite while we were in Lancaster. < 1313008062 841484 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was not amused :P < 1313008070 179400 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1313008076 56297 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he take a goop < 1313008078 674628 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking it's nutella < 1313008082 927583 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he spread it thin. < 1313008100 864703 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But considering that Marmite tastes like a slow, miserable death, I can understand his feelings. < 1313008101 497797 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :weak < 1313008115 859348 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :marmite is amazing < 1313008127 916224 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the sweet, sweet sanguine of lonely decay < 1313008144 647497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you have two punctuation marks, say ' and ", you can use '" and "' as nesting brackets < 1313008148 183902 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what does marmite taste like? < 1313008150 778854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the way I normally program in Shove < 1313008158 385483 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's yeast. < 1313008164 18962 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It tastes ... like yeast. < 1313008164 348561 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tastes like nothing else < 1313008168 603789 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't taste like yeast! < 1313008183 194098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually sure what yeast tastes like in the abstract < 1313008186 755569 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'm told that it tastes similar to the solid gunk that collects in the bottom of a wheat beer. < 1313008192 427831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what bread tastes like, but am not sure which part of the taste is yeast-related < 1313008205 225898 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, bread that hasn't been baked well enough tastes like yeast. < 1313008222 548591 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, just yeast then, I can relate to that < 1313008228 497589 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wet. soggy bread CAN taste like yeast < 1313008258 726145 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try marmite sometime but how < 1313008266 385055 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, we were talking about pokemon chess yesterday < 1313008292 983754 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Compressed_fresh_yeast_-_1.jpg < 1313008300 625639 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I imagine marmite is now < 1313008303 40438 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think of making a meta-game around chess which makes some pieces not attackable by other pieces depending on the meta-game happening? < 1313008304 830776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: was the conversation at all interesting? < 1313008313 734249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think it defeats the point of chess < 1313008316 923412 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it was very interesting < 1313008341 721038 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 also mentioned the possibility of having "elemental chess" < 1313008350 590852 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :where pieces have elements/colors/whatever < 1313008366 344595 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1313008400 943750 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, marmite has the consistence of very sticky very dark brown honey < 1313008407 299119 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each one corresponds to a different basic energy card in pokemon card < 1313008411 711722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know its consistency, that's obvious from looking at it < 1313008429 980922 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tastes like maybe salty toffee or something < 1313008431 644280 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1313008431 977690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but the basic Pokémon card types don't follow a sensible elemental rock-paper-scissors table < 1313008434 420388 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's salty. < 1313008437 185350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because each represents multiple console types < 1313008438 952473 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes well with toast. < 1313008455 486125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have, say, some water-energy Pokémon weak to grass-energy Pokémon moves, and some weak to electric-energy Pokémon moves < 1313008459 314366 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well yes, it is true. Different card have different weak/resist depending on things too < 1313008468 691151 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is true < 1313008477 759766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the weak/resist mostly just reflects what the weaknesses and resistances are in the console game < 1313008519 511690 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have also mentioned the option of playing a round of pokemon every time two chess pieces are in conflict < 1313008524 524502 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wins keeps the square < 1313008531 944387 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is insane < 1313008535 478674 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1313008543 299639 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather.. < 1313008546 700758 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it NOT BE? < 1313008562 861915 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do that but combining it with rules about what cards are selected at random depending on the pieces and on other things too, such as the energy types, and so on < 1313008579 485208 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm yes < 1313008591 250133 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a grass energy piece could only use grass energy cards < 1313008597 669616 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'd shuffle and pick out 3 grass energy cards < 1313008601 913671 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and same for the other piece < 1313008608 926203 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be e.g. water energy < 1313008610 41285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most moves allow off-color energy too < 1313008615 462299 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you play this way < 1313008629 815569 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-46.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1313008630 729755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moves that represent Normal-type moves normally allow you to use any energy, others typically require 1 or 2 oncolor energy < 1313008647 986610 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes some attacks in the cards allow you to use any energy, or only partially the correct energy and others can be any one. < 1313008701 398396 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about using the proximity of other pieces < 1313008708 724905 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :say if your attacking piece is water energy < 1313008730 108724 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have a grass energy piece in proximity to the square being attacked < 1313008730 180702 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could make something like that too. < 1313008736 415140 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you also get a grass card < 1313008752 741071 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. Perhaps that can also be used. < 1313008777 867961 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a totally different game! < 1313008841 214703 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also do things such as use different board sizes, or whatever; note that in shogi game you have 9x9 board and you can capture opponent's pieces later you can put them back on the board and use them as your own pieces. < 1313008872 245899 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you? < 1313008900 771936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike zzo38, I prefer the console game to the card game < 1313008903 3102 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-46.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313009213 252342 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is OK, I suppose, different people can prefer different thing. < 1313009266 628452 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1313009586 473118 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113220.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you two are like yin and yang. < 1313009729 269144 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1313009823 325199 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you able to help more with this? I remember coppro was able to answer my questions to the best way. But, is anyone else? Any idea? https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/texnicard/wiki/Dangelo_Programming_Language < 1313009840 195715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1313009988 132149 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please add stuff if you have, you can type it directly on the wiki although you probably need an account (it is not up to me that makes you require an account) < 1313010113 104288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is not moving around in the same space I am < 1313010130 620323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a multidimensional being, haven't you read H2G2? < 1313010161 153591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1313010375 987736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hoogle is even worse than haskell < 1313010390 393378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we _sure_ someone hasn't hacked lament's account? < 1313010426 720568 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he said that in #esoteric or somewhere else? < 1313010432 302081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :here < 1313010473 853842 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't draw any conclusions from what anyone says in here, I think :) < 1313010481 922331 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to design the project, something related to Haskell, and to TeXnicard, and Magic: the Gathering, and even Inform 7, and a few other things that nobody knows, and hopefully design the proper programming language for this purpose. And then make some things with it including Magic: the Gathering rules, and possibly even a roguelike game. < 1313010493 509737 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you know anything about this please? < 1313010586 281144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a troll once came to Esolang using a name which was incredibly similar to "Lament" < 1313010612 46385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lament is on account lament, though < 1313010716 740288 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does pokemon card not have any IMPOSTOR BILL card or OPPONENT POTION card? Are you going to use this card if it is? < 1313010879 359783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not from the same IP as when making that comment, so there's no proof it was the real lament who said that i guess < 1313010950 196451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1313011059 574712 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play pokemon card with nearly random deck construction. < 1313011115 403172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1313011153 756634 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's odd < 1313011164 485111 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1313011174 110579 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python's shouting at me because it all of a sudden hates the word "def" < 1313011191 472593 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The third def into the program < 1313011211 148887 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The def that broke the camel's back. < 1313011215 108508 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can allow any evolution card even if it does not match, as long as it is of the same energy type of the card it is played on, and must be the correct stage number, and not more than the maximum for any of the cards underneath. You can also evolve into the card that is labeled as doing so regardless of energy type. < 1313011246 388479 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do snakes have backs < 1313011257 504843 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snakes have nothing but < 1313011265 175439 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though I suppose that would be more appropriate for Perl.) < 1313011273 395417 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl has sub though doesn't it < 1313011312 10133 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, keyword-substitute appropriately first. < 1313011317 668090 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found the problem < 1313011328 43831 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had missed an ] on the previous line < 1313011330 437089 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indentation? oh < 1313011356 966818 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, you can evolve Seel into Misty's Starmie but no further. If you play Charmeleon on Ponyta there is no more evolve (because Ponyta only evolves once), but you can play Abra->Kadabra->Gengar because both cards allow evolution up to Stage 2 cards. < 1313011402 314698 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :These would be the rules only when using nearly random deck construction, and should not apply in the normal game. < 1313011439 244263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:25:33: I'm going to continue repeating this < 1313011439 327298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:25:41: because there exists a branch of mathematics < 1313011439 400239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:25:47: called type theory < 1313011439 400379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:25:52: remarkably, it is the theory of types < 1313011439 400492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:26:02: and you're pulling a Sgeo here < 1313011440 251470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:26:53: What, by being practical? :P < 1313011449 829034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: for once i am in complete agreement with you, also this hurts to read < 1313011465 346659 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with elliott < 1313011468 193138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This last night's logs. < 1313011475 129631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I agree with Sgeo. < 1313011477 942500 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reinventing stuff is a stereotype of me? < 1313011478 193140 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made a lot of thinking about type theory in the past but I have not know about actual mathematical type theory much. < 1313011489 188931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: < 1313011489 439703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:28:24: no, by saying "I wonder what happens if X?" < 1313011489 521551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:28:29: and hearing "it's been done" < 1313011489 688385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:28:40: and going "Maybe it involves Y?" < 1313011491 461845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:28:48: and hearing "No, it doesn't." < 1313011493 557637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:28:53: and going "If it had Y, you'd need Z" < 1313011495 558043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:29:02: and hearing "Maybe, but it doesn't have Y." < 1313011527 121165 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly don't recall doing something like that. Example please? < 1313011551 276836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask coppro im busy logreading < 1313011582 234972 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is coppro on here today? < 1313011610 532598 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what timezone is the messages you have repeated now? < 1313011684 622135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC < 1313011711 592545 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1313011781 30644 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: He is < 1313011817 697972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:52:38: How about "TIARA" < 1313011817 947768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:53:09: Which stands for "TIARA Is A Recursive Algorithm" < 1313011818 32232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:54:26: I thought you'd say s/Algorithm/Acronym/ < 1313011818 104606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:54:42: Yeah, that's what I meant < 1313011825 171906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVEN _I_ INVENTED "TIARA" < 1313011856 763649 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spoiler: I ended up calling it MIBBLLII < 1313011861 972266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:23:17: 'This system was discovered' < 1313011862 55559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:23:22: I'm pretty sure you can't discover maths guys < 1313011868 998039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"invent" is not really that much more appropriate... < 1313011895 279139 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented topoi in associative assembly spaces < 1313011901 39302 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAa < 1313011903 279330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:29:20: also, because its specification is tiny but working with it is hugely difficult, it's easy to write a compiler/interpreter for and it's still turing complete < 1313011903 452867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working with BF is easier than in many esolangs < 1313011903 694816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MOUSE < 1313011904 918165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS RIGHT < 1313011905 296909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most, even < 1313011907 175683 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN FRONT OF ME < 1313011908 14598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1313011909 761987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa < 1313011911 116183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what < 1313011911 699410 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa7 < 1313011912 707449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY < 1313011915 379138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS THIS AIHESFAWEKFN < 1313011915 462136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it < 1313011917 329994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a squeaky < 1313011917 995644 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY < 1313011918 80656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mouse < 1313011918 444863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1313011918 778442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1313011919 325589 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AM < 1313011919 741125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer < 1313011920 777020 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1313011921 483780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mouse < 1313011923 231597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUTSMARTED < 1313011924 231150 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BY < 1313011925 596880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A < 1313011926 885750 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOUSE < 1313011930 655244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1313011932 789693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the squeaky kind < 1313011932 875649 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is being taunted by a mouse his cat brought in < 1313011933 707812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1313011937 481465 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT HID < 1313011938 220404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1313011939 401997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest < 1313011939 817727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1313011939 902201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN THE CURTAINS < 1313011940 567166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :adopt it < 1313011941 852882 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WAS LIKE < 1313011944 131213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1313011945 886499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is < 1313011947 32679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A HORROR MOIE < 1313011948 120803 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Marry it < 1313011948 193885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no other < 1313011949 678572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible < 1313011952 149321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :action < 1313011952 815656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :relating < 1313011953 159721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MOVIE < 1313011953 255893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to < 1313011954 858556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things < 1313011955 450310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1313011957 607837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :attack < 1313011959 188270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans < 1313011959 475244 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A horror mouse. < 1313011961 565499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with < 1313011963 636375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuteness < 1313011964 675186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WAS LIKE < 1313011965 259563 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1313011965 509571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1313011969 496333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are we talking like this Phantom_Hoover < 1313011974 111458 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1313011977 640383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MOUSE DID THAT < 1313011986 469835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WAS LIKE < 1313011991 252187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:20:06: https://gist.github.com/1136780 < 1313011991 335902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:20:10: I had way too much time on my hands. < 1313011991 419437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:20:23: Guess how evil.py works. < 1313011995 457423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE UNDER THE CURTAIN I HAVE YOU YOU LITTLE BASTARD < 1313011996 373869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: huh, I gave up on this < 1313012000 870470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: can I see evil.py? < 1313012003 265670 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon: /nick Phantom_Mouse. < 1313012004 977216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN I LOOKED < 1313012008 306355 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND IT WAS GONE < 1313012017 581793 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://i.imgur.com/mevGN.jpg < 1313012020 389351 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're FAST < 1313012027 991747 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think she used C memory stuff. < 1313012034 313114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, that's what I tried. < 1313012039 408643 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's some possibly-related hackego ctypes fluff later in the log. < 1313012048 930567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/1136828 < 1313012049 509196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1313012071 58087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:00:53: hmmm, so you could use unsafeCoerce to artificially change the phantom type of a GADT, right? < 1313012071 307301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:00:56: with no issues. < 1313012071 391189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't... don't do this. < 1313012081 331404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Apple was the most valuable US company, for a short period of time, according to the stock market < 1313012081 665656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think "no issues" is guaranteed at all. < 1313012085 686291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... makes no sense at all < 1313012089 920274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it makes it totally inconsistent. < 1313012100 486161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Apple stock is really good < 1313012102 734211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1313012104 523707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so I gather < 1313012109 392846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant see the mouse any more < 1313012111 938711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's good because people think it's good < 1313012120 306303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its behind me isnt it < 1313012125 578338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stock market is about doing what everyone else will do, but a few days earlier < 1313012127 96842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but, it's essentially the same kind of unsafeCoerce question you asked me yesterday :P < 1313012130 879672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, I guess the iPod and iPhone have nothing to do with it :) < 1313012150 343819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but I made sure not to overstep the guarantees GHC offers < 1313012152 744569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do have something to do with it, but even if Apple cornered the entire market, I imagine they still wouldn't be as profitable as, say, ExxonMobil, who they overtook < 1313012164 815612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and it's _not_ the same, because I never tried to destruct a constructor with the wrong type??? < 1313012165 484975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1313012174 850312 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our cat once dropped a still-mostly-alive mouse to my father's bed one morning while summer-vacatitioning. The nicest way to wake up? < 1313012177 16180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo a where X :: a -> Foo A; Y :: a -> Foo B < 1313012182 241150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce (X 9) :: Foo B < 1313012185 818930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you going to destruct that < 1313012191 505617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only by coercing it back < 1313012194 294640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes the whole thing pointless < 1313012204 73739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think CakeProphet wants a type variable that doesn't appear on the RHS, i.e. a real phantom type < 1313012206 158648 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1313012211 505727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well the thing is phantom types without type classes should have absolutely _no_ effect on the runtime representation... < 1313012211 933898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case a GADT, and unsafeCoerce, are totally unnecessary < 1313012234 355971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well it's only safe if you have like < 1313012244 593215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo a where X :: forall b. a -> Foo b < 1313012247 100309 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313012248 941389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which avoids like one reconstruction?? < 1313012257 752437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's recursive then unsafeCoerce could save time < 1313012259 789993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe... < 1313012262 338655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't... < 1313012263 495199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :need... < 1313012266 755234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type variable... if you do that... < 1313012304 548791 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does cakeprohpet want this < 1313012323 935343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:32:58: `run echo "#include " > test.c < 1313012324 116737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:33:01: No output. < 1313012324 283928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:33:15: `run echo "int main() {PyFunctionObject f;printf(\"%u\",((unsigned int)&(f.ob_item))-((unsigned int)&f));}" > test.c < 1313012325 66459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> vs. >> < 1313012326 168620 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `>>' < 1313012350 422512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:34:37: `gcc -o test test.c < 1313012350 588034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cough < 1313012413 850065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : data Foo a where X :: forall b. a -> Foo b <-- um i don't think the two a's have anything to do with each other if you use that syntax < 1313012434 461196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh shut up, you know what i mean :D < 1313012441 312102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh um < 1313012446 829125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo a b where X :: forall b. a -> Foo a b < 1313012448 469093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN < 1313012458 522216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i might be a little closer now < 1313012495 363898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically unsafeCoerce to change a phantom type is useful _only_ if you have some kind of polymorphism on the phantom type < 1313012504 195468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you can't do anything with it without coercing it back < 1313012514 140314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you _do_ have polymorphism, it's always just an optimisation < 1313012522 250730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you could just reconstruct the value instead < 1313012556 851457 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it mean something when a channel starts with ##? < 1313012564 23798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:19:50: itidus20: yes, see OverloadedStrings in Haskell. < 1313012564 291810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:19:56: I have found several uses that the designer did not intend. < 1313012564 379778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:20:00: :) < 1313012564 452248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:20:17: ask elliott about it. < 1313012564 452389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop getting on my bad side :| < 1313012566 365610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: yes, "about" < 1313012570 476498 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1313012570 860900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: it means that the channel wasn't officially approved by the people who own the name < 1313012575 427903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# channels are meant to have an official group registration blah < 1313012582 779543 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1313012585 68865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we'll get booted in to ##esoteric once the new system is up unless we can make a claim to the name < 1313012589 532066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. #feather-lang (which I own) versus ##nomic (which Peter Suber doesn't own) < 1313012590 733554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think we can do, but it's not certain < 1313012595 12710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually, I looked at their name claiming guide < 1313012602 502277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too, but go on < 1313012602 669599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think either us or cpressey has the best claim to the name < 1313012606 657790 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have a wiki. I don't see why not < 1313012612 333432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: we have the "Esolang" wiki < 1313012616 41200 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah < 1313012619 355142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cpressey has said that we have a claim to the name < 1313012625 852110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, in that case there's no issue < 1313012625 934135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in here, publicly < 1313012638 561976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm sure he'd agree that we should have it < 1313012640 336653 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tulessa. < 1313012643 851837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't have expected him to boot us out anyway < 1313012647 802789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or her, I suppose < 1313012652 65806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1313012653 672566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't completely know cpressey's gender beyond doubt < 1313012666 574230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Odessa. < 1313012666 790675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't tell from the name < 1313012673 194332 :pingveno_!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1313012679 284025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's another catseye esolang out < 1313012681 546372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MOUSE IS BACK FOR CHRISTS SAKE < 1313012685 909827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose of all the people in here, other than me, I'm most confident about Gregor's gender < 1313012688 446433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ADOPT IT < 1313012695 665888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's hard to be completely sure wrt anyone < 1313012695 850498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, HOW < 1313012700 451387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1313012702 454487 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313012705 163782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's it called? < 1313012708 455464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm sure I've affirmed my gender to you several times < 1313012710 738307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Xoomonk < 1313012718 119620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Xoomonk is a programming language in which malingering updatable stores are first-class objects. Malingering updatable stores unify several language constructs, including procedure activations, named parameters, and object-like data structures. < 1313012718 203121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1313012720 247573 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, YOU COULD BE LYING < 1313012721 97224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not meant to be an esolang < 1313012722 756551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU COULD BE < 1313012723 549010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it totally is < 1313012724 669562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A MOUSE < 1313012730 64144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Dammit how did you know. < 1313012740 482037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, THE RABBITS TIPPED ME OFF < 1313012752 607879 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU WOULD OF COURSE HAVE AN AFFECTION FOR YOUR FELLOW RODENTS < 1313012753 462011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's a fun set of things to unify < 1313012778 824987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: RAAAAAAAAGE < 1313012789 14073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Anyone who doesn't know why I am raging is Not My Friend.) < 1313012822 188460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sulks in the corner
< 1313012835 732776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: RABBITS ARE LAGOMORPHS < 1313012866 592281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was a subsomething of rodents < 1313012868 978250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1313012873 945195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY ARE NOT RODENT < 1313012876 835480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RABBITS ARE NOT RODENTS < 1313012887 114161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Though these mammals can resemble rodents (order Rodentia) and were classified as a superfamily in that order until the early twentieth century, they have since been considered a separate order. For a time it was common to consider the lagomorphs only distant relatives of the rodents, to whom they merely bore a superficial resemblance." < 1313012889 597286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT RODENTS < 1313012892 722569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAGOMORPHS < 1313012910 964303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it hard to imagine rabbits as rodents at all < 1313012917 61721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't look much like mice or squirrels < 1313012975 384449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pika pika < 1313012983 696845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikachu is a lagomorph < 1313013012 479388 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a pokemon hlep < 1313013018 360511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see: capybara < 1313013075 704955 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lagomorph used to be considered a subset of rodent but now it isn't. < 1313013089 36133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hlep is a ravenous beast with a cleft palate < 1313013098 485261 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1313013121 492568 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or is there only one decent course in Finnish in the world? < 1313013125 539025 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also that you already mentoined what I said. < 1313013128 668263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka harelip < 1313013132 832251 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD I AM IN A DARK ROOM WITH THE MOUSE < 1313013142 386031 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it on fire? < 1313013152 821026 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I guess no, or the room woulnd't be dark. < 1313013155 5207 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oletko tulessa? < 1313013156 681678 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be right back, dinner. < 1313013166 969909 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, wait. < 1313013175 793368 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drat. < 1313013176 430137 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Pikachu is a mouse < 1313013180 345989 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, my MIBBLLII CAT program didn't work < 1313013189 166714 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oliko tulessa? < 1313013193 497802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: No pikachu is a pikachu. < 1313013195 402712 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first time, I asked, "Are you on fire?" < 1313013220 378049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikachu translates as "sparkle mouse" or something like that < 1313013229 934856 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sparkle squeak < 1313013232 185297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, CAN IT CATCH THIS MOUSE < 1313013233 257040 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pikachu_(Pokémon) < 1313013241 386262 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Species: Mouse Pokemon < 1313013243 286659 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be such a Pokemon nerd < 1313013252 255216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: DIE < 1313013257 507485 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Pokemon faded into Discworld < 1313013257 579703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: why did you stop? < 1313013263 886519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : OH GOD I AM IN A DARK ROOM WITH THE MOUSE <-- are you sure there really _is_ a mouse and you're not just having hallucinations? you _do_ seem a little psychotic about this... < 1313013268 905645 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Yes it says that, but the "Species:" is not really relevant for any purpose. < 1313013268 979271 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Discworld into IWC < 1313013276 887721 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And IWC into MSA < 1313013277 326387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is a cute panic < 1313013279 83768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, my family said the mouse was there BUT THEY MAY HAVE LIED < 1313013282 712614 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/MSA/MSPA/ < 1313013287 538853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: GET IT < 1313013290 353001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1313013290 519122 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Except in distinguishing it from a lagomorph < 1313013291 717596 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And in many cases neither is the weight/height, although it might be sometimes) < 1313013301 741649 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :bulbapedia isn't necessarily canon on the question of rodent vs lagomorph < 1313013320 950816 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably some 11yr old quickly wrote down mouse < 1313013330 137745 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: That's what it says in the game < 1313013335 900179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, catching injured pigeons was way easier than this, < 1313013344 444922 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Use a bat < 1313013346 706885 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the english game isn't necessarily canon >.>; < 1313013354 72211 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only be sure by the original japanese < 1313013360 685672 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: That's not true in the least < 1313013383 40086 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :translators can take liberties with things sometimes < 1313013404 782627 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know how to solve this dilemma anyway < 1313013429 308277 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pikachu is a ねずみポケモン < 1313013430 438257 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter. It says "mouse" so I think it is the actual data, but that doesn't mean that it means anything! < 1313013431 979228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://i.imgur.com/YkkBj.jpg < 1313013451 268727 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god < 1313013462 595971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've lost the lid to my mouse capture device. < 1313013464 472811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh < 1313013472 923236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: STOP IT ADOPT THE MOUSE AT ONCE < 1313013479 683870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: the anime isn't canon either, incidentally < 1313013489 229905 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1313013489 729316 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, HOW < 1313013494 277389 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: 分類 < 1313013494 443494 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ねずみポケモン < 1313013517 806344 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game, anime, everything, they do unconsistent things too. < 1313013518 958189 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only see unicode 0 due to my poor font choice but i will take your words for it now < 1313013520 955228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NEED TO CATCH IT FIRST < 1313013535 892983 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: It says, roughly, "Classification: Mouse Pokemon" < 1313013547 712811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: NO < 1313013549 105161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST < 1313013550 974201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TELL IT < 1313013555 140162 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a stupid conversation < 1313013558 10026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND < 1313013560 364894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND < 1313013562 262092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIVE IN THAT ROOM < 1313013562 800057 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thanks < 1313013563 133400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOGETHER < 1313013563 990107 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Yes, so it is the proper data. It is the actual data! However, it doesn't have any meaning. < 1313013579 739150 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because something is correct doesn't mean it is of any significance. < 1313013597 174056 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to lure mice into mouse traps < 1313013600 952445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MONNo < 1313013617 639014 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mouse traps not mousetraps < 1313013628 211190 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :traps for mice, not those nasty hurty things < 1313013641 297738 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :all your mouse are belong to us < 1313013642 400737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DONT TRAP THEM,,,,, THAT IS RUDE < 1313013646 66464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST < 1313013647 400209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOX THEM < 1313013648 461836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1313013651 480852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a nicer word < 1313013651 714643 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :box is a trap < 1313013683 345534 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :box makes me think the sport and packaging < 1313013687 127566 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is packaging a sport too < 1313013690 24262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i haev played monkey island two and you just need a cheese and a wooden box and string < 1313013691 462343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a stick < 1313013727 132661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxing a mouse is just plain mean < 1313013729 341938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have you used the stnadard haskell hughespj prettyprinting library outside of using text in lambdabot........... < 1313013739 507215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1313013797 172742 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAa < 1313013798 748755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAD IT < 1313013802 111324 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THEN I CHECKED FOR IT < 1313013805 522649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND IT GOT AWAQA$HEFTA78 < 1313013809 192588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awkyhgqaliukns\G2wf < 1313013812 706901 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did your box have a hole in it < 1313013817 269480 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1313013823 168444 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you lift the box < 1313013826 14535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1313013831 352929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :be < 1313013832 196591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :friends < 1313013832 909148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with < 1313013835 104922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mouse < 1313013841 797545 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1313013851 971230 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flood room with < 1313013852 889073 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :friend < 1313013853 656158 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fumes < 1313013870 745654 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't you ever watch the fourth episode of the first series of Xialin Showdown? < 1313013873 849413 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one with the mime? < 1313013876 845222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :friend mustard gas < 1313013882 594975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PART #esoteric :" fizzie: it makes demons fly out of my window, washing the windows api" < 1313013887 200987 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes < 1313013911 181603 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN YOU KNOW WHAT Phantom_Hoover MUST DO < 1313013920 74624 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, this client has tab completion < 1313013923 21439 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DO < 1313013925 710591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops we did it, < 1313013929 103354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 ragepatted < 1313013932 442283 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Welcome to the fucking future of 15 years ago < 1313013937 748278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mice: worse than jesus < 1313013970 761406 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To #esoteric-mice? < 1313013990 631293 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new channel for every topic < 1313013992 285474 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every < 1313013993 47791 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic < 1313014030 431903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cat brought another mouse but it's already dead < 1313014036 732530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will show it to the mouse < 1313014042 273758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to lower its moral < 1313014043 372264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1313014046 314170 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they will be freinds < 1313014052 501401 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1313014076 750884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: help i told the tup people their code is invalidaed but theyre just ingore/// < 1313014082 694739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, no < 1313014090 717720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the mouse will renouce mousekined < 1313014096 431250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be my friend < 1313014116 668623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: MOUSEKIND ARE NICE. < 1313014131 701899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HATE PHANTOM HOOVER HE IS A TERRIBLE HORRIBLE EVIL BAD < 1313014150 241106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : We are the Bork. Resistance is futile. < 1313014160 915714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swedish Resistance is futile. < 1313014162 311284 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1313014168 17904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1313014172 554084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1313014175 861244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Resistance is futile. < 1313014176 321476 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reseestunce-a is footeele-a. Bork Bork Bork! < 1313014225 810392 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not swedish :( < 1313014257 66539 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, how would you know. < 1313014261 844520 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-46.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1313014312 197317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haren är lagom orf < 1313014346 132530 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: my knowledge in swedish matters is extensive < 1313014362 884846 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner invented swedish < 1313014366 562219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: have you used the stnadard haskell hughespj prettyprinting library outside of using text in lambdabot........... < 1313014368 309458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you said no < 1313014370 335628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damminit, < 1313014381 547631 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a good library < 1313014394 139357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Unnecessary loquaciousness is contraindicated. < 1313014443 332415 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1313014452 821177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is it a library if it is part of the stdlib,, < 1313014457 790576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's in a different hackage package but < 1313014459 374724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to base) < 1313014477 562370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the haskell account on github and bugtracked as part of ghc..... < 1313014506 760798 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it < 1313014507 541944 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1313014547 541989 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is, it's been passed down the ages from the ancient masters of haskell < 1313014550 148191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know, if it can do what i want, then yes < 1313014577 608221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i want < 1313014579 23329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test = < 1313014579 296601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (text "data" <+> text "FunTimes") <+> < 1313014579 375886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ((equals <+> text "Foo") $$ (char '|' <+> text "Bar")) < 1313014581 77249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it gets too long < 1313014583 972719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ancient haskell monks of the hindu kush < 1313014584 44676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i want it to do the same as < 1313014584 638419 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though it doesn't seem to actually be used a lot, so maybe it's ungood in some ways) < 1313014596 845164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test = < 1313014596 927919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (text "data" <+> text "FunTimes") $$ nest 2 < 1313014597 11631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ((equals <+> text "Foo") $$ (char '|' <+> text "Bar")) < 1313014597 932956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont < 1313014600 254221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :know how to make that happen < 1313014625 175808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter looks like < 1313014626 844081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> test < 1313014627 165782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data FunTimes < 1313014627 238216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : = Foo < 1313014627 238455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Bar < 1313014629 36753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former looks like < 1313014635 1052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data FunTimes = Foo < 1313014635 166419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Bar < 1313014647 221619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the thing with $$ is < 1313014650 633696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the argument to nest was high enough < 1313014652 2556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that < 1313014660 300358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be further to the right than the s in FunTimes < 1313014664 19877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would omit the linebreak < 1313014666 153502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be good < 1313014669 4973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem is that < 1313014669 671101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1313014671 321998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it breaks the line < 1313014674 400443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it indents like 9 spaces..... < 1313014678 130679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just two... < 1313014879 868411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "data" <+> text "FunTimes" < 1313014880 909530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence `<+>' < 1313014881 98052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either `Control.Arrow.<+>', i... < 1313014913 746722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i saw someone say once that they had worked on removing ambiguities in lambdabot... < 1313014931 237169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might wish to improve their methods. < 1313014945 627337 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anything an instance of arrowplus < 1313014967 441527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (Control.Arrow.<+>) < 1313014968 274864 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (a :: * -> * -> *) b c. (ArrowPlus a) => a b c -> a b c -> a b c < 1313014997 831664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "data" Text.PrettyPrint.HughesPJ.<+> text "FunTimes" < 1313014999 82920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : data FunTimes < 1313015001 937592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably a MonadPlus m => ArrowPlus (Kleisli m) instance < 1313015005 995720 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1313015012 781790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "beside, with a space" < 1313015018 379409 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a interpreter that executes CLI HLT when you make a error in your code < 1313015024 762342 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1313015026 365267 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one thing I like about arrowplus is how it's broken up into arrowzero and arrowplus < 1313015177 252319 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sllide: except you can't change the interrupt flag or halt in user mode < 1313015235 490354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe sllide uses dos < 1313015427 738967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mouse just wnet under sthe stofa aaaaaarrgghhh < 1313015435 661500 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its new home < 1313015445 435790 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship home < 1313015457 365637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1313015461 531383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can give it cheese? < 1313015468 355158 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship cheese < 1313015532 744107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1313015556 654714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have any < 1313015563 374205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1313015568 433116 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have beetter idea < 1313015572 802830 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will but the cheese < 1313015582 209475 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in front of the sova < 1313015584 843718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when the mouse < 1313015588 167952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes to get it < 1313015592 378351 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i catch it < 1313015630 117223 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drug cheese with friendship, mouse eats cheese, best friends forever < 1313015656 746100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: thatsm diehosnt :( < 1313015754 125121 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drug cheese with honesty < 1313015756 104063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble diehosnt < 1313015756 176634 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dtinesho < 1313015785 742675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha < 1313015788 967870 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ti < 1313015794 613149 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :had it pinned down under the tabl < 1313015795 825708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1313015798 798839 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made sure < 1313015802 752181 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i could see it at all times < 1313015804 385813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yey < 1313015809 427037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it excaped < 1313015811 486931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1313015815 187228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1313015816 903489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ha e < 1313015818 648267 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best plan < 1313015822 489960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will wait < 1313015823 819919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :catlike < 1313015826 181489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my chair < 1313015829 386563 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when it moves < 1313015835 959345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you are making a great scientific confirmation of the theory that phantoms cannot catch mice < 1313015837 868195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fling myself towards it and get the mouse box < 1313015847 98765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, JUST YOPU WAIT < 1313015858 18281 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb stakeouting < 1313015875 201491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i have this feeling that atrocious spelling is spreading in the channel < 1313015892 318735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: REAL DISTRESS IS BEGINNINGEGING, < 1313015894 869013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIFE IS NOW SERIOUS < 1313015905 186180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS A COMING OF AGE STROYROY < 1313015915 23228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the age of aquarius < 1313015934 391020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/R < 1313015938 253770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is fucking stupid and i want to kill it < 1313015944 589937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by next june, everyone will be completely incomprehensible < 1313015953 896005 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, its the mose < 1313015954 779978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need cpressey < 1313015957 916809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to write an article on the real R < 1313015959 562473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that we can move this < 1313015960 228081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to < 1313015962 319327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :R (shit) < 1313016088 740092 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :category:shameful < 1313016149 812361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no we cannot ater it down < 1313016154 553528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone type five two three < 1313016160 793070 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :five two three < 1313016219 237090 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when will he returne..... < 1313016227 8891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1313016227 540321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as < 1313016228 632384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers < 1313016230 844195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucker :( < 1313016233 756872 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_+: < 1313016242 138750 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ij < 1313016244 220903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1313016251 933660 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1313016256 61619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will grow old < 1313016257 228679 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 2 3 < 1313016257 498126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and die < 1313016259 594458 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the mouse < 1313016267 482090 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will nibble on my grave < 1313016277 310099 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship grave < 1313016303 467090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwwwwwwwww friendship argargeve < 1313016319 985608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1313016333 915860 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1313016354 479514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that R lang < 1313016376 123236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I saw that being posted to the wiki < 1313016379 223818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't looked at it yet, though < 1313016383 620095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't < 1313016385 874919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I have < 1313016390 210805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just forgot about it in self-defence < 1313016390 376753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to not remember < 1313016402 359118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst thing is, there could be a good article at [[R]] < 1313016404 634025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that it has lots of links to things that shouldn't be on the wiki < 1313016405 970587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one written by cpressey :( < 1313016410 471097 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did the mouse make you ragequit. < 1313016416 818026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the premier IRC-bot language R :-P < 1313016430 740808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the statistics lang? or is that insufficiently eso? < 1313016440 330354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's an IRC-bot language, not a statistics language < 1313016449 638574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's a non-eso lang called R too < 1313016458 113505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: https://bitbucket.org/catseye/rtype/overview < 1313016465 751810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC bot language, not statistics. < 1313016471 361512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(https://bitbucket.org/catseye/rtype/src/0ebaf62da919/bot.R) < 1313016493 134728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_%28programming_language%29 < 1313016500 20377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I didn't realise GNU was responsible for itg < 1313016501 598631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1313016505 65721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, it's an IRC bot language < 1313016513 415223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/catseye/rtype/raw/0ebaf62da919/bot.R if you hate HTML too much to open a page with it < 1313016526 404114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean that cpressey wrote a bot in it? < 1313016534 555974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY ITS INTENDED USE < 1313016538 394894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were implying he'd invented a language for writing bots which had the same name < 1313016551 64914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : xform <- gsub('^:(.*?)\\!(.*?)\\s+PRIVMSG\\s+(.*?)\\s+\\:(.*?)$', '\\1\u2603\\2\u2603\\3\u2603\\4', line, perl=TRUE) < 1313016551 314925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (length(xform) == 0) { next } < 1313016551 399848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (xform != line) { < 1313016551 472066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : parts <- strsplit(xform, '\u2603', fixed=TRUE) < 1313016553 8657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the amazing part < 1313016568 697752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it uses three ☃s to separate the fields because R is terrible at string handling) < 1313016595 187296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :snowman-separated data? < 1313016601 429820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the standard < 1313016608 40148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSV < 1313016617 553757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that break if there are snowmans in the original < 1313016621 54266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you escape them somehow? < 1313016638 22313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it breaks, you just have to avoid using three snowmans in your line and it should be OK < 1313016641 424977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that despite our extensive work to improve the functioning of the Java applet, there are known issues with it on Ubuntu 10. If you encounter these, try upgrading to Ubuntu 11, or try using your mom's computer." < 1313016646 183034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chris.....i dont like ubuntu eleven.... < 1313016651 888017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop discriminating :( < 1313016671 768303 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what abunto alevem < 1313016680 411893 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jelp < 1313016685 582991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads cpressey talk about intricacies of commodore sixty-four emulation
< 1313016726 115051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, two months until the next Ubuntu release, right? < 1313016748 659410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1313016755 686026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've forgotten the schedule < 1313016760 130644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm relatively confident that they'll get their DE fixed eventually < 1313016762 325460 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 10/10 was just for 2010 < 1313016764 474331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's .04 and .10 < 1313016769 437455 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be on the 21st, I think < 1313016776 999131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Not two months exactly < 1313016789 347208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, then I'd better jump ship sooner or later... < 1313016795 739977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this version is bound to bitrot eventually, after all < 1313016811 20036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on the LTS version < 1313016817 961466 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this new DE < 1313016822 824277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: bad < 1313016826 850182 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bad < 1313016827 630742 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad how < 1313016828 912587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :once support's about to end, I'll upgrade to the current Ubuntu if it's usable, or probably Debian if it isn't < 1313016832 688596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is 10.10 LTS? < 1313016842 605472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :supported until a few months before the end of the world, it seems < 1313016844 715715 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.04 < 1313016848 40178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think every 4th is an LTS < 1313016850 483864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1313016851 846941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 8.04 to 10.04 < 1313016863 801520 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it every third? < 1313016870 133990 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1313016874 717843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wary of Debian because I'm sceptical of how well it'll work on this hardware OOTB < 1313016880 931798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might need a lot of hacking even to boot < 1313016890 208571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really weird hardware? < 1313016897 479923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's Apple, so yes < 1313016904 116253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a relatively recent Apple model at that < 1313016920 672945 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is hte keybaord still broken < 1313016922 719719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :recent enough that Ubuntu 10.04 wouldn't even be able to connect to the internet with it, I think < 1313016930 438727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, without the separate, money-costing Ethernet adaptor < 1313016933 757904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes I'm going to fix that < 1313016940 132751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just need to back up and start the lion installer < 1313016942 568464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then send it off < 1313016961 989171 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what wikll you do whale it's off < 1313016969 522484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use my old laptop < 1313016976 221267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which runs Debian, FWIW) < 1313016986 725937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the one that's almost the same as mine but an inch larger? < 1313016994 160236 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the new ubuntu de have a name i want to see how bad it is < 1313016996 19082 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the folks at Canonical will call 15.10 < 1313016998 200702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: two inches < 1313017001 371623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Unity < 1313017006 749005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no dnont < 1313017033 163172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: presumably he means looking at screenshots/videos < 1313017035 19095 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Unity < 1313017035 605830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than actually using it < 1313017038 269885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't even use the latest Ubuntu with GNOME, because they'd made the mouse pointer move differently in some subtle way that made me utterly inaccurate < 1313017045 922879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you're a bad person who thinks bad things and has bad opinions :( < 1313017050 449096 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. i don't want to use unity. i hate deskop environments. < 1313017050 551643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and im crying < 1313017057 293702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...anyway, < 1313017067 555419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking I could just reverse all the changes made to the mouse handling if I could find out what they were < 1313017073 649378 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unity and its range of technologies brings simplicity, power, and integration to both users and application developers. unity puts design, integration, and Free Software at the heart of delivering a powerful and attractive experience. < 1313017078 811097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I realised that downgrading would leave me with basically the same system < 1313017081 919198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and relieve me of my anger < 1313017084 902132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's unsalvageable, but I'm not confident it'll be salvaged in a plausible amount of time < 1313017091 940455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: technically Unity isn't a DE, just a shell for GNOME < 1313017099 14023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo < 1313017103 987938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to go to bed < 1313017109 90443 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mouse bed < 1313017110 847520 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship bed < 1313017117 11504 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's tomorrow now < 1313017119 527726 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1313017121 595840 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grass Starter Special

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1 shot sprite < 1313017122 203544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh yeah, and the GNOME packages will presumably become GNOME 3 soon enough, now that they're being relegated to not being on the disc < 1313017125 993688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mouse will have to wait < 1313017128 427027 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking shitty formatting < 1313017132 593249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodbye < 1313017140 481838 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1313017162 420311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll probably just switch to Debian and maybe Xfce or possibly xmonad < 1313017171 413103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what window manager do you ouse, help < 1313017172 807042 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use xmonad < 1313017176 544371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1313017187 417438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: xmonad plays badly with gnome-nm-applet < 1313017195 539606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pulseaudio, for that matter < 1313017204 689408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm sure plenty of people use it with NetworkManager, it just won't work OOTB < 1313017207 472642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how recent is that info? < 1313017223 6329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, I don't like NetworkManager or PulseAudio, so I don't care much < 1313017242 552566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling brings up http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=843341 wrt networkmanager < 1313017248 379695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how xmonad could mess up pulseaudio < 1313017266 892677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but, umm, do you have a more specific bit of info than "plays badly"? < 1313017267 142448 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is one such recording of playing pokemon card: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon_card/record.1 < 1313017273 897801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's what happened last time < 1313017282 630584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what happened < 1313017283 130579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pulseaudio just doesn't load when I load xmonad < 1313017287 372297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably I'd hve to start it by hand < 1313017293 126894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that... is not xmonad's fault? < 1313017295 271622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's your distro's fault < 1313017297 459492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1313017300 880032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for not supplying start scripts with it < 1313017303 227143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't xmonad's fault at all, but it's still annoying < 1313017317 209307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it seems disingenuous to respond to someone mentioning xmonad by blaming a distro issue on it < 1313017325 264230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the "problem" with nm-apple the same? < 1313017339 482301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's more that there's nowhere on the screen to put it < 1313017341 554405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a really tiny icon < 1313017346 136444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and xmonad gives it about half the screen < 1313017346 968281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course there is, if you run a tray program < 1313017356 450532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, xmonad isn't really convention over configuration... < 1313017359 483881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even tray programs don't work well with xmonad < 1313017366 872757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they can't be placed easily either < 1313017367 454320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure they do, most people use it with one < 1313017375 656123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried starting gnome-panel, xmonad still gives it half the screen < 1313017375 988089 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they work fine < 1313017395 663426 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :might require some xmonad.hs twiddling < 1313017401 806671 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but trayer is minimalistic and works out of the box < 1313017436 571799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Frequently_asked_questions#Make_space_for_a_panel_dock_or_tray < 1313017452 267807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1313017465 146190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I'm just annoyed at having to configure a DE < 1313017473 825510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmonad isn't a DE, is it? < 1313017486 898626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certainly doesn't claim to be one on its config page < 1313017500 417995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not even a DE, and yet I still have to configure it! < 1313017500 833834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the xmonad-contrib package has various "DWIM" configurations you can use in the xmonad config file < 1313017513 242632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I suspect most people don't use them < 1313017563 539715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if Yi is developed any more
< 1313017626 495651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems not < 1313017629 581962 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1313017634 511477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1313017637 694655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1313017642 385283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should rewrite leaden sometime :-P < 1313017652 357946 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's leaden < 1313017652 898256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no elliott, shut up, you're working on elliottcraft < 1313017658 643284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: a neditor < 1313017671 485176 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neditor what help < 1313017681 72050 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crey < 1313017681 631776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1313017686 940150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1313017690 601685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t oedit files < 1313017695 787083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i keep parting < 1313017696 816793 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :disappointmnet/part < 1313017698 181054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not very smart :/ < 1313017713 312583 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a good editor < 1313017728 981780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, i liked it?? in theory < 1313017788 540467 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always forget why i don't use yi then i try it again then i remember then i forget < 1313017822 312593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never really liked yi.... it is not polished.... at all.... < 1313017831 629317 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be it < 1313017864 651589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aha < 1313017867 936168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: delete [[R]] < 1313017872 385695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: copyvio < 1313017876 621692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from where? < 1313017878 10164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia? < 1313017881 95474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.illogicopedia.org/wiki/R_(programming_language) < 1313017888 506556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Content is available under Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 2.5 . < 1313017888 926433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain the broken links < 1313017898 506780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same author? < 1313017906 59182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: different nick < 1313017913 23138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that same nick on illogicopedia is used on wikipedia by the same person < 1313017917 591208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or so they claim on their illogicopedia user page) < 1313017929 841247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the burden of proof is on them to say they're the same person using another nickname, which I doubt < 1313017931 444084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1313017946 361865 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just use vim but sometimes i feel i should learn emacs and decide if i like it more but then i either get scared or never bother :'( < 1313017950 43232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay now we can tell them off sternly........ and pretend it is for copyvio....... (but it is for liking a terrible language....) < 1313017999 587747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:Nerd42 < 1313018014 558458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the person behind R left uncyclopedia because sex isn't funny and they need content warnings and also Ribaldry Cycle??? < 1313018017 225188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this < 1313018024 901742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deleted, warned < 1313018150 704018 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1313018178 754500 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1313018197 356068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for catching that elliott < 1313018283 799203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I knew more about OpenGL internals so I could structure this change with more confidence < 1313018291 870438 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn usermode :C < 1313018309 7115 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid of opengl intenrals < 1313018327 307573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1313018330 285743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :infernal opengl < 1313018343 349343 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what change is this < 1313018363 739907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :This. Changes. Everything! < 1313018425 837509 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what did the R page actually say? < 1313018431 663233 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad things < 1313018433 286398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to know < 1313018491 468999 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. fair enough. < 1313018779 155500 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1313019411 141032 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-136.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1313019422 191640 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1313019973 282502 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death