< 1312416065 397138 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1312416974 238879 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312417064 506088 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312417419 510674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, "paragraph" actually meant 16 bytes on sixteen bit intel < 1312417420 393390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1312417422 697059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to page < 1312417432 846572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so amazing. < 1312418078 132414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION appends http://hackage.haskell.org/package/gloss to the "To look at" list
< 1312418085 732254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm it looks two dimensional < 1312418148 996922 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I looked at gloss too. I forget exactly why I didn't use it < 1312418152 798851 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should look more at it < 1312418164 910071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at it with the fiery power of a thousand suns... < 1312418182 751070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers looking at Frag sometime too :P
< 1312418186 126316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses FRP at least. < 1312418189 455549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and OpenGL. < 1312418214 495044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my game is going to be SO AWESOME. < 1312418225 366350 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottcraft or what < 1312418229 126937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1312418298 657594 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought you said there were unsolved problems with FRP? < 1312418327 149242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes. but you can wing it. < 1312418338 394884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?t \f g -> (f .) . g < 1312418338 821000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: tell thank you thanks thx ticker time todo todo-add todo-delete topic-cons topic-init topic-null topic-snoc topic-tail topic-tell type . ? @ ft v < 1312418340 882893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f g -> (f .) . g < 1312418341 762575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b (f :: * -> *) (f1 :: * -> *). (Functor f, Functor f1) => (a -> b) -> f1 (f a) -> f1 (f b) < 1312418347 496101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f g -> (f Prelude..) Prelude.. g < 1312418348 349388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b c a a1. (b -> c) -> (a1 -> a -> b) -> a1 -> a -> c < 1312418353 926906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate lambdabot forever < 1312418363 408191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1312418366 406370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \f g -> (f Prelude..) Prelude.. g < 1312418366 690260 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip ($ Prelude..) Prelude.. < 1312418369 358529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \f g -> (f .) . g < 1312418369 760967 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.) . (.) < 1312418372 50542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as i suspected < 1312418523 434289 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye olde horriblie broken parser < 1312418531 535094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1312418550 447581 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :($ Prelude..) is not legal syntax < 1312418557 49536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, heh < 1312418562 854196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1312418646 393794 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($ Prelude..) < 1312418647 345319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `Prelude..' < 1312418684 596083 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?unpl (.) . (.) < 1312418685 58305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ i b c f -> i (b c f)) < 1312418698 344114 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?unpl flip ($ Prelude..) Prelude.. < 1312418698 728349 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse error at "Prelu..." (column 9) < 1312418835 753849 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION concludes that Tindeck is entirely a Homestuck fansite.
< 1312419330 702890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it existed before homestuck < 1312419335 741612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an SA thing < 1312419344 152999 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so a printer error more than a parser error < 1312419359 663304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I guessed both of those. < 1312419374 668436 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \f g -> (f hm) hm g < 1312419375 60968 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip ($ hm) hm < 1312419397 218570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are about 3 tracks on 'popular now' which aren't Homestuck-related. < 1312419399 116917 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no < 1312419429 698611 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \f g -> hm (hm f) g < 1312419430 126146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm . hm < 1312419481 592986 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be parser < 1312419582 932931 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should put my karaoke on tindeck < 1312419631 257648 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still had that until like yesterday < 1312419908 164669 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-166-139.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312420015 953113 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-166-139.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are the times? < 1312420088 756977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, you deleted it‽ < 1312420096 146071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW < 1312420144 111617 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot i didn't move it from my downloads directory and then i cleared my downloads directory :'( < 1312420285 180267 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's back up on his website, though. < 1312420324 107924 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to just look up the answer for VVVVVV's I Love You
< 1312420349 774060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1312420527 687469 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on, I thought I tried that < 1312420739 9751 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you going on about? < 1312420764 135747 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, VVVVVV is one of the games in Humble Indie Bundle 3 < 1312420773 537696 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1312420778 860558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I should probably get that thing. < 1312420801 259723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone do me a favour after I quit and @tell lambdabot to remind me. < 1312420833 344115 :cheater!~ubuntu@g229064188.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312421338 781790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1312421342 646005 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover I wonder if this works. < 1312421343 72117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself! < 1312421353 396141 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dammit < 1312421353 823679 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1312421356 531593 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1312421561 782766 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-166-139.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover Get that thing. < 1312421561 984942 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1312421572 636158 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-166-139.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's taken care of. < 1312421614 857317 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312422099 441700 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312422505 213533 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-166-139.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I finished Gödel, Escher, Bach. I found it off-puttingly clever and absurdly long for the subject matter. < 1312422515 699664 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-166-139.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those interested, discuss. < 1312422579 232749 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I have read that book too. I notice many things. Even it mentioned in the bibliography, is a book that doesn't even exist. There is many references to copper,silver,gold (can you find it?) and a lot of other things. I like this book too. < 1312422698 563739 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-166-139.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was...something. I feel like it was just written in a "ho ho aren't I clever" sort of way merely for the sake of it. < 1312422703 99976 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-166-139.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't necessarily obscure the point. < 1312422712 459822 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-166-139.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it certainly makes it longer and more irritating to get to the point. < 1312422714 241646 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interludes were amusing as clever stories yes < 1312422730 141507 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was good to know more details of godel's proof < 1312422735 627460 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-166-139.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, certainly. < 1312422742 192240 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other than that i didnt really learn anything from it < 1312422793 100739 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants recommendations for Gutenberg Project books to read
< 1312422794 619672 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, i spread the reading of it over months because it was kind of tedious < 1312422819 271068 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: have you read all the classics yet? < 1312422837 999251 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1312422843 176480 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entire book it makes many things. I happen to like this book. I have the Vintage edition. Find all the secret messages and everything else in this book including everything wrong with it and so on. < 1312422848 232439 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-166-139.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I did it in a couple days because otherwise I wouldn't've bothered continuing with it. < 1312422851 571473 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure I'd be interested in classical fiction < 1312422865 645978 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if youve finished with the english language classics, start in on the icelandic language classics. Njalssaga is on PG i think < 1312422876 576682 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless maybe some humorous classical fiction? < 1312422893 72090 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :alice in wonderland? < 1312422900 662036 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like required reading... < 1312422925 123085 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Alice in Wonderland; very good. < 1312422954 112226 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also flatland < 1312422971 72329 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jules verne < 1312422975 586460 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read Flatland a while ago. Tried to get the PG version, doesn't seem to work well < 1312423003 169521 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Jules Verne is science fiction, but... hm < 1312423012 782363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the R version < 1312423031 457698 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-166-139.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's much more...interesting. ;) < 1312423051 322804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot square on square action < 1312423054 488933 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-166-139.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, Flatland is bothersome not for what it is. < 1312423066 143491 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-166-139.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But rather for what people interpret it to mean. < 1312423087 336205 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-166-139.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather like Huxley's work, it gets misinterpreted by people who miss the point but use the work to make their own faux-points. < 1312423091 448396 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :flatland is interesting if you understand it as a commentary on victorian culture < 1312423114 506786 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like gullivers travels (also recommend) < 1312423980 411432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : So I finished Gödel, Escher, Bach. I found it off-puttingly clever and absurdly long for the subject matter. < 1312423982 831244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has no subject matter < 1312423995 617252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a bunch of confused rambling leading up to a stupid "BRAINS = RECURSION DOOD" non-conclusion < 1312424011 440157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also see http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Chris_Pressey#G.C3.B6del.2C_Escher.2C_Bach:_An_Eternal_Golden_Braid :P < 1312424050 117929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should have just been a book of achilles/tortoise dialogues :) < 1312424097 166382 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zombies sure do love recursion. < 1312424126 88817 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dialogues is good, but so is the other things. I think it is very good although you would have to think of these things various things mentioned, see if you can figure it out or just have your own opinions about these things, you might agree/disagree whatever. But it has dialogues too and also other things, such as art and music. < 1312424160 544012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death penalty could be debated in Commons after e-petition calls < 1312424160 746319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leader of Commons says ignoring topics raised by new scheme allowing submissions would be unfair to public < 1312424164 15074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1312424218 723199 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even the various jokes, secret message and partially obscured references maybe you can find, and descriptions of typographical number theory and the author's own opinions of various ideas, and many wordplays, even a well annotated bibliography, etc. Is good! < 1312424233 548074 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1312425967 979768 :naryfa!~i@c-98-221-197-169.hsd1.nj.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312425979 46304 :naryfa!~i@c-98-221-197-169.hsd1.nj.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helleaoh < 1312426045 304947 :naryfa!~i@c-98-221-197-169.hsd1.nj.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1312427119 434704 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1312427708 931272 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312427843 404869 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just watch a blind LP of VVVVVV < 1312427849 561341 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds a bit difficult < 1312428484 195480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to playing it?? < 1312428486 993002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/??/?/ < 1312429250 86472 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1312429310 402165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: update/ < 1312429338 887328 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im infer that blind lps of vvvvvv are hard to watch because they are painful because they are awful < 1312430403 716564 :evincar!~jon@d-burl-bng2-64-223-166-139.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net QUIT :Quit: Tomorrow comes a day too soon. < 1312430932 662480 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARMCUBLENS SCANBLUREM LAMNUBRECS < 1312430972 13298 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are these real words? < 1312430988 175577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost as real as word 'monqy' < 1312431245 553318 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312431549 910840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/07/mork-keeps-on-giving-when-the-database-worms-eat-into-your-murder-trial/ < 1312431551 298058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1312431585 817896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant stop laughing < 1312432582 329459 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow what < 1312432648 956184 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Mork] was developed ... with the aim of creating a minimal database replacement that would be reliable, flexible, and efficient, and use a file format close to plain text. < 1312432848 548694 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1312434107 747351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh man have you not < 1312434109 736115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :read jwz's posts on it < 1312434120 680601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2004/03/when-the-database-worms-eat-into-your-brain/ < 1312434137 686680 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that one (i followed the link from the one about murder trial) < 1312434139 891490 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1312434143 325822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the comments too < 1312434144 890638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're so amazing < 1312434165 106865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the top of mork.pl < 1312434168 168868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just so amazing < 1312434197 34833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In case the true comedy of this part isn't apparent: he's clearly going to all this trouble to hyper-compress this file, what with the lookup tables for every identifier, right? And then, when writing out strings, he doesn't write them as UTF-8: he writes them as raw wchar_t strings. If he was writing them as raw bytes, that would multiply his file size by either 2 or 4 (depending on how big wchar_t is -- but wait! He doesn't write them raw, he < 1312434197 274875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :writes them A) hex encoded and B) with a $ before each hex byte! So even on 16-bit wchar_t systems, he's tripled the file size." < 1312434324 959523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but...................... < 1312434356 833016 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no others < 1312434359 791126 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming they exist < 1312434421 482852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i odn't know if they do < 1312434425 923809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the .pl is a blog ,,, in itself,,, < 1312434432 423278 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-219-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's *horrifying*. < 1312434443 62872 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great < 1312434465 359979 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-219-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they WONTFIX'd it? *shudder* < 1312434492 791995 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-219-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's so *many* alternatives to that shit that'd be better. < 1312434537 71995 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-219-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sqlite, Berkeley DB, CSV, JSON, *XML*, a shell script, a Brainfuck script, a Lazy K script, ... < 1312434552 438397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Mork is finally gone in Firefox seven < 1312434556 382001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hasn't been used regularly since three < 1312434559 638358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when Places came in) < 1312434562 305898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thus SQLite) < 1312434569 211219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only in current versions as a converter, IIRC < 1312434583 957921 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-219-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Praise be to (eventual) sanity. < 1312434592 216420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, umm, does anyone know how this happened? < 1312434594 33685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/08/the-british-government-has-endorsed.ars < 1312434597 656290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ [dollar]// < 1312434711 136766 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-219-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably Murdoch stopped paying for hookers for members of Parliament long enough for them to decide to act in the interests of the country. < 1312434863 305231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The government is not exactly on speaking terms with Murdoch right now :-P < 1312434992 691105 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-219-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ours decided to go back to ignoring Murdoch, preferring to take the economy hostage for a bit before going on vacation, leaving the Federal Aviation Administration not running for a month. < 1312435634 693036 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-219-68.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1312435645 378674 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312436266 177049 :TeruFSX!~quassel@pool-116-152.res.carleton.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312436905 179091 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. In theory, Linux could have as good backwards compatibility as Microsoft tends to, regarding ABI... < 1312436974 767913 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it'd be worthwhile to try and set up a scheme whereby a modern distro could pull that off. < 1312436986 296810 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why yes, it runs Netscape! 0.93!" < 1312437076 261031 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, arn't the syscalls rather stable? < 1312437108 262853 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: Exceptionally. < 1312437126 952238 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: What you need to do to pull this off is all in userspace. < 1312437147 604036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@katia:~$ wget ftp://archive.netscape.com/archive/navigator/3.04/shipping/english/unix/linux12/navigator_gold_complete/netscape-v304-export.x86-unknown-linux-elf.tar.gz < 1312437149 477679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's do this shit < 1312437158 128025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh, not resolving :/ < 1312437158 839338 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How stable is glibc? < 1312437177 576608 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://home.mcom.com/archives/ < 1312437185 613132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: static linking < 1312437189 817255 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: Irrelevant; we're talking Linux libc. < 1312437190 772203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh, neat < 1312437207 218523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@katia:~$ wget http://home.mcom.com/archives/3/netscape-v304-export.x86-unknown-linux-elf.tar.gz < 1312437230 383181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.93 is earliest Linux version, it seems < 1312437244 116197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1312437247 144010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that netscape tgz is a tarbomb < 1312437274 217357 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With, apparently, a dependency on libc4 (and, hence, an a.out ld.so and the a.out binfmt module) < 1312437276 633557 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :*boom* < 1312437291 200360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./netscape < 1312437291 402168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ./netscape: No such file or directory < 1312437292 385103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur rite :( < 1312437303 195930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they even dynamically link it. < 1312437304 526433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so silly. < 1312437307 246580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1312437310 205242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : libc.so.5 => not found < 1312437310 407605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : libc.so.6 => /lib32/libc.so.6 (0xf7433000) < 1312437317 349026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, the only thing I'm missing is... libdl? < 1312437320 786905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : libdl.so.1 => not found < 1312437321 703342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how weird < 1312437335 343301 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll want libc5. Which shouldn't be *too* hard to hunt down. < 1312437341 935203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: um but ldd says six is ok < 1312437342 198900 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo still packages it. :) < 1312437345 758024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1312437346 327253 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It lies. < 1312437346 969147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : libc.so.5 => not found < 1312437347 171500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : libc.so.6 => /lib32/libc.so.6 (0xf7433000) < 1312437348 454903 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horribly. < 1312437348 657313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :( < 1312437361 30554 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not "okay", that means "references to both". < 1312437365 291451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@katia:~/netscape$ apt-cache search libc5 < 1312437365 575599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@katia:~/netscape$ < 1312437368 218896 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the .6 comes from some other library. < 1312437369 929936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cries.
< 1312437393 805648 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://archive.debian.net/sarge/libc5 < 1312437401 838845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sarge, nice < 1312437415 286853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://archive.debian.net/sarge/i386/libc5/filelist < 1312437418 501286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'll just surgically extract it < 1312437429 744161 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://archive.debian.net/sarge/ldso You might want this, too. < 1312437436 490523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh goody, it's all fourohfoured < 1312437441 697340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I need to find the archive server < 1312437442 497244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eurgh < 1312437461 693921 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libc/libc/libc5_5.4.46-15_i386.deb < 1312437476 312384 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/ld.so/ldso_1.9.11-15_i386.deb < 1312437480 425892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, thanks < 1312437515 64062 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I suspect you could just barely *build* libc5. < 1312437534 944010 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you'd probably want to use GCC 3 to be safe. < 1312437598 129195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@katia:~/netscape$ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=lib:usr/lib ./netscape < 1312437598 333113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ./netscape: No such file or directory < 1312437598 557121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1312437603 188282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ldd says all its dependencies are filled < 1312437623 227402 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably missing ld.so. < 1312437629 858020 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you think I linked to it? < 1312437651 160889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I extracted that, too. < 1312437654 414607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : libdl.so.1 => lib/libdl.so.1 (0xf7545000) < 1312437672 406605 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... /lib/ld-linux.so.1? < 1312437719 797151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : /lib/ld-linux.so.1 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf773a000) < 1312437720 666092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1312437723 113171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not thirty-two bit is it < 1312437730 691239 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is 32 bit. < 1312437751 239444 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also not the requested dynamic linker. < 1312437763 127890 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux will try to execute /lib/ld-linux.so.1. < 1312437766 108668 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Directly. < 1312437794 665176 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the "No such file or directory". < 1312437802 393673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=lib:usr/lib /lib/ld-linux.so.2 ./netscape < 1312437802 634841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :./netscape: Symbol `_res' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking < 1312437802 635030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :./netscape: Symbol `_sys_errlist' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking < 1312437802 635137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault < 1312437804 246071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1312437831 835159 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/ld.so/ldso_1.9.11-15_i386.deb < 1312437842 210908 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, /lib/ld-linux.so.1 from it. < 1312437849 28175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, you're in Colorado Springs, right? < 1312437852 42663 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1312437852 245004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And oh, didn't realise it had that. < 1312437861 168087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just was reminded of you by http://cdsmith.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/haskell-for-kids-introduction/ < 1312437864 22034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("You’re asking about the town for my class? Colorado Springs, CO.") < 1312437865 94991 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if you hit problems related to having some of your shared libs built on glibc (the new ones) and some code built on libc5, even if you got all that stuff to resolve. < 1312437880 231214 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just try to do that sort of stuff in a completely-from-the-sarge-age chroot or something. < 1312437885 698480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@katia:~/netscape$ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=lib:usr/lib lib/ld-linux.so.1 ./netscape < 1312437885 953543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault < 1312437886 156162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp. < 1312437899 76990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sarge age is only 2005, you know; I'd want something much older. < 1312437919 411649 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, but something based on libc5. < 1312437932 727013 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's the list of libraries for that, anyways? < 1312437941 654472 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1312437955 305438 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$(pwd)/lib:$(pwd)/usr/lib might help. < 1312438000 498337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Haha, really? < 1312438014 26053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't. < 1312438021 807798 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a thought. < 1312438028 870874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one thing for it... GDB! < 1312438047 42756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. < 1312438047 244886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xf7ff8cec in _dl_boot () < 1312438047 922264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1312438064 319354 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :debootstrap in a 'potato' or something. (Note: not sure if it can actually install something that old.) < 1312438185 327565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=112778 < 1312438185 897639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1312438246 749426 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how well its oldlibs/libc5 thing goes either, but even hamm is libc6-based. 'bo' has a libc5 in base, but... < 1312438300 942865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1312438314 582677 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So ok, I went to install Bo:# debootstrap bo /mnt/hda7 http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ < 1312438314 785615 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/bo < 1312438314 785797 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doh! I didn't know a script would be required. Suprisingly though, it appears that there are scripts that will let me go all the way back to Slink." < 1312438329 419398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You want me to go for buzz, maybe? :-) < 1312438339 854217 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's binaries for it in archive.debian.org. < 1312438347 325477 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course if you *want*... < 1312438396 311831 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's 'bout Gentoo's package? < 1312438469 481538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ahh, I've found out that apt-get wasn't included until the release of Slink in '98! I may have to use a version of apt-get that is newer than the actual distro, depending on how far back I go. (think it'll werk?)" < 1312438487 33425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ok, I've downloaded the Bo (Peep) base (http://debian.crosslink.net/debian-archive/dists/Debian-1.3.1/main/disks-i386/current/base1_3.tgz)." < 1312438489 434689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS SO THRILLING. < 1312438516 58184 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gentoo-distfiles.mirrors.tds.net/distfiles/lib-compat-1.4.2.tar.bz2 < 1312438529 402245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh gawd. What is it. < 1312438533 635021 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc5. < 1312438538 884509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1312438546 292395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the dependency of all my other libraries on glibc is breaking Netscape < 1312438550 633390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]Netscape. < 1312438551 60661 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an older ABI of stdlibc++. < 1312438552 730738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I should really chroot. < 1312438576 294593 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you'll need lib-compat-loki-0.2, too? < 1312438601 272160 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait, that relies on libc6... < 1312438720 483781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this guy is my hero < 1312438839 567376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's been possible to run a sid installation that's upgraded automatically every single time sid was updated from the mid-nineties to present? pikhq? < 1312438840 276942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1312438844 991649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any hard-breaking changes in sid ever? < 1312438869 198465 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312438895 251454 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1312438905 385221 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "hard". < 1312438953 731008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: As in "there is no way to recover a system in this state without basically reinstalling". < 1312438963 633442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, no way to fix it without replacing the dpkg/apt database. < 1312438971 667468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a way that destroys all information about installed packages. < 1312438972 95985 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1312438990 12166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an impressive track-record, if sid has never actually broken every system. < 1312438992 437166 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I'd be willing to bet that it'll not boot on some updates. < 1312439018 67847 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sid is, contrary to popular belief, not where they actually do development. < 1312439040 588881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know. < 1312439040 791046 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the least stable testing branch. < 1312439064 548142 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your concept of "hard-breaking" is just very, very hard to happen, anyways. < 1312439111 552576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, system-booting failures are unavoidable. < 1312439114 522506 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since basically it just means "sh and dpkg stopped working". < 1312439122 276752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just asking if you can maintain a sid system from the 90s to present without getting a hex editor and twiddling bits. :p < 1312439154 408011 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'd be a little bit wary of the switch from bash to dash for /bin/sh. < 1312439174 756261 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone might have fucked up a boot script or /etc/profile or something. :P < 1312439420 318042 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, did you get my msg? < 1312439458 973465 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: What msg? < 1312439467 957153 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :about what is broken with awk < 1312439471 402228 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1312439496 963896 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically printf's field width specifiers end up counting bytes, instead of counting characters < 1312439511 195490 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do believe gawk is fucked. < 1312439522 373978 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have a character that's two bytes, the field ends up being one character narrower < 1312439528 666581 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be nice, but mawk does the same thing < 1312439543 432364 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's some underlying mechanism, maybe they both use a system call that's fucked up on ubuntu < 1312439555 256422 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same behavior on busybox awk... < 1312439572 311212 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And on busybox musl awk. < 1312439589 166215 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked in #awk and some people have it working while some don't < 1312439602 692202 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you set your LC_ALL when invoking the code? < 1312439614 515247 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it's irrelevant for musl. < 1312439627 512170 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only locale on musl is C.UTF-8 < 1312439719 681474 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1312439761 712358 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312439782 660274 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i wonder, what could be broken? < 1312439788 967960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf. < 1312439932 8384 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's probably just thinking char = character. < 1312439975 598248 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, < 1312439975 800210 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : printf("%'.2f", 1234567.89); < 1312439976 2536 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : results in "1234567.89" in the POSIX locale, in "1234567,89" in < 1312439976 2715 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : the nl_NL locale, and in "1.234.567,89" in the da_DK locale. < 1312439981 421206 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's from the printf manual < 1312440003 322322 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ LC_ALL=da_DK gawk 'BEGIN{printf("%'"'"'.2f\n", 1234567.89) }' < 1312440003 607781 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :1234567.89 < 1312440039 971986 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orrrr it's not using C printf. < 1312440046 165284 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1312440076 982395 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOWEVER, the fact that many awk's have the exact same problem makes me think it's some linux lib < 1312440090 619374 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what OS have you been trying on pikhq? < 1312440569 180535 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: Linux, with 2 different libcs. < 1312440582 289006 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of which I can vouch for. :P < 1312440626 604807 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking at the strace < 1312440638 496404 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to be using the OS printf < 1312440674 458689 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what's gconv? that's something to do iwth locale right? < 1312440746 730457 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://souleyedigitalmusic.bandcamp.com/album/pppppp-the-vvvvvv-soundtrack <3 < 1312440838 74901 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no game music that I dislike. < 1312440845 417088 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for isolated songs in some games < 1312441110 311876 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's glibc's bundled iconv implementation, isn't it? < 1312441136 993 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also strace will not show printf ever, since it traces syscalls, not library functions. < 1312441198 948944 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think awk uses its own printf, though. Otherwise it'd have to parse the format string to know which sort of types to pass to the libc printf. < 1312441212 243591 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1312441269 44511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf is totally a syscall doood. < 1312441382 303545 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't all C functions? < 1312441557 544843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :totes < 1312443897 315066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I wonder if there's a nice way to define isomorphisms in Haskell nicer than (a->b, b->a) < 1312443901 703608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cat a b, cat b a) :-) < 1312444198 193012 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1312445200 372180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \x -> let (x'r) = to g x in let (x'',r') = to f x in (x'', (r,r')) < 1312445200 747551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 11): < 1312445200 949902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected "(" < 1312445200 950090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting "()", natural, identifier or "in" < 1312445205 650234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1312445208 645574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \x -> let (x',r) = to g x in let (x'',r') = to f x in (x'', (r,r')) < 1312445209 15067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 11): < 1312445209 217567 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected "(" < 1312445209 217740 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting "()", natural, identifier or "in" < 1312445245 882936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \x -> (fst (to f (fst (to g x))), (snd (to g x), snd (to f x)) < 1312445246 270250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 33): < 1312445246 472704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected "," < 1312445246 472788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting variable, "(", operator or ")" < 1312445250 530903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \x -> (fst (to f (fst (to g x)), (snd (to g x), snd (to f x)) < 1312445250 960626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 32): < 1312445251 163092 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected "," < 1312445251 163267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting variable, "(", operator or ")" < 1312445262 397957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \x -> (fst (to f (fst (to g x))), (snd (to g x), snd (to f x))) < 1312445262 795766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap ((,) . fst . to f . fst . to g) (ap ((,) . snd . to g) (snd . to f)) < 1312445272 1872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1312445489 165715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \x -> here (to f x) < 1312445489 451609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :here . to f < 1312447644 786469 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312448275 298848 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl (\x y z -> z z y z x) < 1312448275 500975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip (flip . join . flip (join id)) < 1312448281 98127 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl (\x y z -> z $ z $ y $ z $ x) < 1312448281 300747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :((ap id . ap id) .) . flip (.) . flip id < 1312448292 632083 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl (\x y z -> (z, z, y, z, x)) < 1312448292 834294 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip (flip . join . flip (join (,,,,))) < 1312448372 494226 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312448960 530771 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1312449021 699338 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312449026 131518 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1312449072 990535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1312449117 477760 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thursday. < 1312449131 256740 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No need to get down on Thursdays. < 1312449539 289791 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, how sensationalist can the Daily Mail get? < 1312449559 835559 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MPs to vote on death penalty" < 1312449604 527714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1312449616 280094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They forgot "Yay!" :( < 1312449649 835896 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1312449718 701653 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cite an e-petition of all things < 1312449796 52185 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An e-petition that hasn't been released < 1312450251 235622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, um, that's a credible story, apart from the "voting" bit. < 1312450259 744331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/04/death-penalty-e-petition-commons < 1312450285 558583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking up the blog mentioned, uh, correlates it: http://order-order.com/ < 1312450338 764419 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever played pokemon card and the opponent has 1 side-card remain and you have 6 side-card remain you didn't knock out any of opponent's cards yet, but your opponent ran out of cards before either of you can pick up the side-cards? < 1312450352 493118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the time. < 1312450467 842828 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you think I played GENGAR [Lv38] on HAUNTER [Lv17] even though I had enough energy for NIGHTMARE but not for DARK MIND, and had no use for the CURSE power? < 1312450487 338132 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you like Geengar? < 1312450499 551904 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Geengar/Gengar/ < 1312450509 272191 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: No, that isn't the reason. There is a better reason. < 1312450552 234586 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Gengar is more than twice Haunter's level < 1312450558 571716 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whether or not I like Gengar is not relevant. Also, this is a situation which has only happened to me once so far) < 1312450562 972107 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With no type-thingy baad thing < 1312450569 778742 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weakness < 1312450609 427898 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Level is not relevant in this game (except for distinguishing the cards). And both cards have the same Weak/Resist as each other. < 1312450718 909027 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you only have one card? < 1312450767 509890 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. That isn't it either. < 1312450789 118043 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want the text of those cards repeated? < 1312450846 27620 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1312450927 331799 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GENGAR [Lv38] Stage 2 - HAUNTER E: { @ } HP: 8 W: - R: { # } RC: 1 - CURSE: Unless this card is sleep/confuse/paralyze, you can once per turn, move one damage from one of opponent's pokemon to another. - { @@@ } DARK MIND [3]: If opponent has bench pokemons, select one and does 1 damage to that card. < 1312451008 827976 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAUNTER [Lv17] Stage 1 - GASTLY E: { @ } HP: 5 W: - R: { # } RC: 1 - TRANSPARENCY: When an attack affects this card while this card is not sleep/confuse/paralyze, you must toss a coin. If heads, this card is unaffected by the attack. - { @* } NIGHTMARE [1]: Defending pokemon is now sleeping. < 1312451034 889771 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: The { * } means you can use any energy, while { @ } means requires only that kind of energy card) < 1312451063 972451 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have absolutely no idea < 1312451126 929706 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this help? RECYCLE ENERGY Energy { rc } - Provides { * } energy. When discarded from play, return this card to your hand. < 1312451154 909907 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: The { rc } is an abbreviation used when listing attached energy to a card. The * in a cost can use this kind or the basic energy, but the @ cannot use this) < 1312451187 224390 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops! I made a mistake. HAUNTER [Lv17] should be RC: 0 < 1312451204 933508 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now hopefully you know. < 1312451217 352748 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still there are other strange things about the situation it happened in. < 1312451249 438172 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't work it out < 1312451263 307653 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then I will type one more card. < 1312451346 410988 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEFAIRY [Lv15] Basic E: { * } HP: 5 W: { # } R: { @ } RC: 1 - { * } WIND: Switch opponent's active pokemon card with one of their bench pokemons of your choice. - { ** } SHINE [1]: Defending pokemon is now asleep. < 1312451395 899511 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were going to use the Haunter with the recycle energy to make the clefairy wipe out the opponent with wind < 1312451472 180832 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wind does no damage, and the opponent's weak/resist is not relevant either. But, yes I did play an evolution card FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF INCREASING MY RETREAT COST. How often does *that* ever happen? < 1312451529 507757 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least once? < 1312451635 73785 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1312451647 945778 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it happened. Yet because of that, I won, even though the opponent never took any damage for the rest of the game. And, they had only 1 side-card remaining (they knocked out 5 of my pokemons) while I had 6 side-cards (I never knocked out any of their pokemons). I also had to guess the number of energy cards in my opponent's hand as it turned out. < 1312451722 12321 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this ever happen to you as strange as this situation is? < 1312451789 165899 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opponent had rain dance and all that stuff. I still won, however. < 1312451844 837160 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312451879 500906 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you play. < 1312452024 966435 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once won a game of chess with pretty much a rook and a few pawns < 1312452033 505074 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When my opponent had most of their pieces left < 1312452181 491569 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I made an Ook derivative, would anyone try to kill me? < 1312452192 513674 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: So you have done chess. I fail to remember which ways I have won and lost in chess. I am not a particularly good player at chess. I play much better at pokemon card. < 1312452225 988096 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opponent had horrible pawn structure < 1312452242 155017 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about 8 regular english words mapped onto the brainfuck instructions < 1312452298 775270 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as: "You", "are", "a", "smelly", "piece", "of", "dog", "shit" < 1312452349 639475 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this happens too much < 1312452350 927732 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or: the is a and or but with what < 1312452357 575177 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And other words have no meaning < 1312452381 974419 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I realized that teres another way it can go. < 1312452383 877079 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: see the list on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Joke_language_list of brainfuck with translated instructions < 1312452455 833886 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1312452459 463709 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most english of those looks like fuckfuck < 1312452504 221782 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. < 1312452518 368241 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would help if i actually knew brainfuck < 1312452522 76788 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i don't xD < 1312452524 342289 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simple < 1312452532 577590 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :jumping to the page < 1312452667 152557 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1312452672 519806 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is brainfuck self modifying or is the program separate from the tape? < 1312452705 26735 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second one < 1312452714 650341 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't imagine why i assume it to be self modifying < 1312453416 101570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what about 8 regular english words mapped onto the brainfuck instructions < 1312453416 387525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1312453416 971285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE < 1312453419 10294 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE DIE DIE < 1312453421 8258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe < 1312453484 695690 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :self modifying brainfuck would be interesting < 1312453578 627654 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1312453617 347958 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :int a[100]; int p=0; char prog[100]; int prog_p=0; 1)p++; 2)p--; 3)a[p]++; 4)a[p]--; 5)cout<>a[p]; 7)if(!a[p])prog_p=next(prog,prog_p); 8)if(a[p])prog_p=prev(prog,prog_p); ... int next(int prog[100],int prog_p){while(prog[prog_p]!=']')prog_p++;return prog_p;} ... int prev(int prog[100],int prog_p){while(prog[prog_p]!='[')prog_p--;return prog_p;} < 1312453626 184672 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think i understand it < 1312453765 30263 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like a translation that's broken w.r.t. nested loops, on a quick glance. < 1312453782 104645 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup... i didn't think of that >.< < 1312453794 580396 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a 'nestedness' counter < 1312453801 375111 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why noone can write an entire program in one chat post < 1312453804 969798 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312453822 60577 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, except lifthrasiir. < 1312453952 565327 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the feedbacks < 1312454001 360980 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems that what went wrong is i misread "matching ]" as "next ]" kind of wishful thinking < 1312454070 242436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : self modifying brainfuck would be interesting < 1312454079 755434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it has been done ~20 times. < 1312454168 67403 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1312454315 844136 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How goes the BF battle? < 1312454330 890440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Battle? < 1312454332 599650 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck reminds me of those arcade machine initials entry systems < 1312454343 87367 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1312454376 746722 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of a turing machine except more difficult to change state in < 1312454417 254523 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oerjan and coppro were trying to prove that BF is Turing complete with only three unbounded cells < 1312454427 348733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1312454519 431034 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i consider a NES controller. up = + down = - left = < right = > B = . A = , Start = [ Select = ] < 1312454537 392036 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: You'll get a hand cramp if you consider it that way < 1312454558 341771 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start and Select might be the other way around i can't be sure < 1312454571 175888 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahah < 1312454579 394002 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do X and Y do then < 1312454587 578376 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be SNES < 1312454595 688841 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the square button? < 1312454597 103512 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 and 2? < 1312454597 531494 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: SHORYUKEN < 1312454599 973703 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the white and black buttons? < 1312454603 369114 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this joystick here < 1312454608 829276 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhmm < 1312454611 504591 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I wave my arm like this what does that do < 1312454620 484205 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :USE THE SIXAXIS < 1312454666 81216 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole thing would be much more understandable without the [ and ] < 1312454675 41516 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you had a NES zapper? < 1312454675 675611 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :um yeah < 1312454678 467789 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a power glove? < 1312454680 978408 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ and ] are what make brainfuck brain fuck < 1312454718 975931 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312455042 165712 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, we should all just use Brainfuck with no loops, that's the most useful language ever. < 1312455063 440393 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on looking at some page it says "Matching [] before execution is fastest," < 1312455071 423093 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... the closest thing to outright hostility I've ever seen fizzie get. < 1312455092 478984 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think I've been more hostile, that was downright tame. < 1312455099 838983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, WHEN < 1312455104 755757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE NEVER ANGRY < 1312455110 1808 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Perhaps it was just a dream. < 1312455129 37286 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what this tells me is that [ and ] could be rewritten as "JZ x" and "JNZ x" with all jump addresses precalculated < 1312455147 658527 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1312455148 800744 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the idea < 1312455169 674227 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck was designed as a language with an easy compiler < 1312455181 126759 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is somewhat less of a brainfuck once you see it that way :-? < 1312455192 611544 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even fungot does that much when it "compiles" to the bytecode format it actually executes, IIRC. < 1312455192 898345 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: when a speaker transition occurs. if a criminal case can be revoked by directive. the recordkeepor for offices need not be stayed or vacated. the initiating speaker ceases to be < 1312455222 609768 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: im dumb so its ok. < 1312455283 57902 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly I just wanted to get some chat from the bot. < 1312455291 100685 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style something-else-except-that-agora-nonsense < 1312455291 303003 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1312455291 303205 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312455302 873344 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1312455303 75666 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1312455307 996613 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Can the sword alone stop? < 1312455308 425798 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i, myself, will bring an end to all. ghosts lurk in the ruins! the structural damage is severe. the tale? my, your majesty! and queen. he and a friend left on a journey 10. all functions are down... got the terra arm and the crisis arm! found a dreamstone?! then i'll repair the masamune! < 1312455314 180282 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312455337 557147 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It used to have -- maybe it still has -- a bug where it goes into "sword alone can't stop" loop occasionally.) < 1312455344 962369 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you going to start with the death threats again? < 1312455345 164901 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, it's been awhile prometheus! ayla like crono! strong! what's the big deal? so what if we won a war out there! can't it see i love my daddy! the children are going! < 1312455355 768542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, yay! < 1312455355 970880 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! eat! fun! < 1312455365 327382 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one hyper bot. < 1312455375 485089 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what shall we eat? < 1312455375 687237 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's time you jumped off this mortal coil... < 1312455380 509822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1312455384 483174 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1312455389 585110 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my naive attempt at a bf interpreter which i posted before showed my initial ignorance of the [ and ] :D < 1312455398 559050 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote fizzie: i, myself, will bring an end to all. < 1312455398 761656 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: to the northwest of this cape. he took back the medal from the frog king. and i'd like to see that mystical sword for myself! < 1312455402 653044 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :560) fizzie: i, myself, will bring an end to all. < 1312455431 441623 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much exclamation! < 1312455434 608656 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a direct quote, but appropriate. < 1312455463 542299 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1312455474 788940 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what is your opinion of brainfuck? < 1312455474 991313 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alon < 1312455479 76499 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To all who may be confused, zzo38 is not a bot. < 1312455496 489917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did anything come of Homestuck mode? < 1312455498 644157 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, it still can't stop with the sword. < 1312455510 814271 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. it would be me who puts it into the loop < 1312455517 558136 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style pa < 1312455517 760661 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: pa (around 1200 transcribed Penny Arcade comics) < 1312455523 764396 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even more too much exclamation! Too much exclamation! Too much exclamation! Too much exclamation! Too much exclamation! Too much exclamation! Too much exclamation! Too much exclamation! Too much exclamation! Too much exclamation! Too much exclamation! < 1312455536 856108 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I just crawled it into plaintext, then forgot about it. Should try it out, small though the dataset is. < 1312455545 376443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, have we ever given zzo38 a Turing test? < 1312455573 26761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I suppose you didn't include the pesterlogs? < 1312455582 116824 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. < 1312455588 419654 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, 'small'? < 1312455589 277204 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colors and all. < 1312455591 126285 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't homestuck huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge? < 1312455607 477608 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Most of it is in images/Flash though. There's not *that* much plain text. < 1312455623 64859 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pesterlogs go on for fucking ever < 1312455629 493893 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least now they do < 1312455686 202325 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really; a few thousand lines in total, is about all. I don't think there's usually more than a hundred lines/log. < 1312455743 686686 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, installing Lion < 1312455780 685388 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~roar~ < 1312455790 300790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hmm, that seems hard to believe. < 1312455815 20411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were tonnes and tonnes of long pesterlogs throughout act 5. < 1312455825 75854 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, I don't have the very latest strips, and it's been more text-heavy in the end than in the beginning. < 1312455848 158412 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I mean from Hivebent onwards. < 1312455891 310778 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I've fetched up to page 4673, which is like ~1300 pages less. < 1312455932 816146 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... would explain it. < 1312455956 404505 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The data was mostly to test the parsing script. < 1312455957 939734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to do this now, if only for the glory of all the pesterlogs being mixed together. < 1312455975 268379 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be some horrific blend of every troll, sprite and boy @.@ < 1312455978 208333 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1312455978 870440 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :boy/girlk < 1312455982 83747 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :human maybe < 1312456023 656067 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current fungot code won't really do punctuation well, and lowercases everything, so it'd lose them quirks. < 1312456024 151900 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you got through the line, but then everyone just plays as tiger woods. inside, he found three computers each with their own game! the biggest of games. if we hit every stupid person, we'd never make it out of the picture, your collection of pac-man merchandise should fetch a tidy sum on ebay. < 1312456067 118721 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1312456073 113040 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd still see typing styles < 1312456095 554042 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also we have the +c mode, so no colors. :/ < 1312456100 371372 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :27194 lines of text when line-wrapped to 80 columns. < 1312456130 206666 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of rather uninteresting ones. Like page titles, which are quite often just "==>". < 1312456146 202909 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it also has all the names before lines still < 1312456161 273524 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: brb roaring < 1312456169 337257 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1312456200 209580 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do a really-quick-and-dirty thing for my current data if you wish. Just don't expect anything impressive. < 1312456267 423063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that Homestuck is starting to look like it's on the threshold of EoA5.
< 1312456283 996235 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :EoA5? < 1312456284 993417 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1312456459 714740 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14216 "good" lines, I guess that's more than some of the existing sets. < 1312456497 141547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, DO IT < 1312456607 824288 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing it. I'm making this happen. (Or at least trying to. I can't quite recall how to use my scripts.) < 1312456947 255412 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally I'd try to use some fancy ^code magic to online-alter the styles list, but let's just do it the boring way this time. < 1312456948 788844 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Quit: OH NO < 1312456982 248311 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I haven't even tested the thing, and it might just be broken in a non-amusing way. < 1312456993 423197 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1312456995 805710 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1312456996 8251 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher homestuck ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1312456998 125171 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1312456998 327742 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1312457002 419947 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you: go. < 1312457009 144670 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: have you ever really gone so far etc < 1312457009 347246 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: is it!!! 38'( tricked john into skipping on a groove its tracing ' round the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible. so here are a couple things i have not even encountered the black king. before they were exiled by some means of dark prognostication and the advantages, to play pranks. < 1312457013 979474 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks good to em < 1312457032 861600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, oh my god this is amazing. < 1312457033 64389 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: like just reverse and/ or'ing the flower pot. the items they contain a viable in the redrom, and vice versa. over the last one. wait no, that just made you disappear" and stuff < 1312457152 165567 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Some day you'll learn how to use " properly. But that day is not today. < 1312457152 407373 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so that is like < 1312457174 171174 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: It's not, like, tomorrow either. < 1312457174 373290 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so just to review, your schemes, convoluted. you are planning a heist in your underground hideout. implement nefarious as you might, you can't out troll me in these like < 1312457382 169246 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :request < 1312457393 151294 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse text from every sbahj panel/comic and add it in < 1312457401 841943 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, not enough text. < 1312457433 986827 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition to what's already added for homestuck < 1312457533 724388 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure such a small drop would really be that visible in the output. < 1312457542 914965 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus OCR. :/ < 1312457570 143710 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you going to give me death threats on this setting as well? < 1312457570 346033 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: in a good way though because it is just glittery powder with no magical frivolity and practical japery. this one looks really old, perhaps an original printing. could a bunch of your bro's weird nude puppets strewn around haphazardly throughout different points in the kids' game session. < 1312457582 345414 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's only finitely many of them < 1312457587 456249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how do you give death threats in a good way. < 1312457587 695985 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it is a hate so pure and... pumpkin seeds? joining a particularly interesting series of really coy riddles about it and stop the thief in the throes of an unraveling alibi. " the massacre of syrs gnelph was not as written a message you got, my brother, and we just keep the safe or tub handy or that it is your backup hat. problem solved, you guess. at the last minute she flung through skaian defense. < 1312457631 114471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, your hate for me is pure pumpkin seeds? < 1312457631 398056 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that is a winner's attitude, and there is no particularly good human translation for this concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, li < 1312457654 801189 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, another sword that can't stop. < 1312457662 590872 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should implement the backoffs. < 1312457669 675567 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with those repeats < 1312457669 878094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, by any chance, can the sword alone not stop the linear concept? < 1312457670 80236 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: just as i was initially believed they were new additions. for that. busy < 1312457776 713582 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: See, it's because it's a variable-length n-gram model, and fungot's code always uses the longest-length n-grams there are in the model. So there's quite a few places where there's either a 1 or close-to-1 probability for always continuing with a particular word. < 1312457776 916029 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also it looks so 8ad! that is the case, it is a free card in your sylladex and let's see, who else would it be the same of you. business as usual for blue bloods. < 1312457830 761812 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VariKN toolkit it uses to build the model calculates appropriate backoff weights, but my sampler doesn't use those. < 1312457902 84702 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1312457902 323678 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1312457914 178969 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can clearly see from lines 129-135, it just keeps going down that road. < 1312457927 597895 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1312457930 867914 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in befunge @.@ < 1312458014 917926 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the main reason I haven't really managed to motivate myself to fix the "unclosed ()s and ""s" problem. The Perl script I have for testing does those well, by keeping a stack of opened things and refusing mismatching paired delimiters. < 1312458094 38624 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312458278 266379 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1312458372 10296 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312458392 979835 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312458401 300039 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we're back < 1312458415 411946 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayeeeeeeeeeeee < 1312458473 426510 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's IWC annotatin made me think < 1312458482 89218 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANDREW HUSSIE IS COVERED IN BRAS < 1312458483 246629 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S < 1312458720 821070 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the first way better < 1312458741 707372 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, am I the only one who finds the phrase "covered in bees" hilarious? < 1312458757 531889 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1312458773 221988 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. Even the word "bees" can make me smile. It's the oddest thing. < 1312458790 267873 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a great uncle who's a beekeeper < 1312458838 218457 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colloquially known as "a beeper". (Not really.) < 1312458840 544353 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet he laughs a lot < 1312459027 238289 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the bee's knees < 1312459303 45392 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps even the wasp's nipples. < 1312459333 758009 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damnit... can't concentrate < 1312459357 318704 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you need to concentrate on? < 1312459368 801789 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i will show what i am doing < 1312459422 534727 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am saying that there is an expression like: 4bitTruthTable 1bitVariable 1bitVariable .. examples are (AND 0 1) (XOR 1 1) < 1312459442 371117 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2bitTruthTable 1bitVariable , examples are (NOT 1) < 1312459458 976883 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :These can be combined indefinitely: (AND (NOT 1) (AND 0 (AND 1 1))) < 1312459477 728917 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1312459495 626202 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now im getting stuck trying to write actual rules to describe this.. such as: 4bitTruthTableExpression = 4bitTruthTable 1bitVariable 1bitVariable < 1312459511 367516 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and: ImmediateValue = 1bitVariable < 1312459543 343477 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use prefixes < 1312459558 846634 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :given everything can be described by NANDs < 1312459559 662779 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Values and expressions all have an additional 1 < 1312459562 803959 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't make it more complex than you need it to be < 1312459578 357578 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brackets are 01 and 00 < 1312459579 203344 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have nearly enough experience with backus naur forms.. but.. basically i can't figure out the kinds of rules need to be made to express it < 1312459632 417196 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, I can't tell which direction these statements should be going < 1312459640 271986 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the only expression allowed is NAND < 1312459657 445644 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND 1 0 can be expressed as... < 1312459672 389356 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as an example, don't actually do it O_O < 1312459687 288360 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am saying that a truth table is 4bits, and that what the bits are doesn't actually matter < 1312459711 498492 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in EBNF you can't specify to have a certain number of tokens < 1312459714 616091 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAND (NAND 1 0) (NAND 1 0) < 1312459717 408771 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :only zero/one/many in branches and loops < 1312459734 383362 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which becomes 0011100100111001 < 1312459735 666976 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ensuring the number of tokens is correct is a job for something differen < 1312459772 175217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312459796 416359 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. i am looking for a way to describe the substitution rules < 1312459808 155785 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we scrap prefixes and use letters for variables < 1312459823 660180 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about lots and lots of regexes, will that work? < 1312459825 375435 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312459829 754938 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :where "AND" would more formally look like 4bittruthtable0001 < 1312459840 156052 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to compile it or anything < 1312459843 595154 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:03:01: If I made an Ook derivative, would anyone try to kill me? < 1312459848 573177 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312459855 286782 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :go deeper, make a Cow derivative < 1312459869 673589 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But cows only say moo! < 1312459874 340870 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they're scary! < 1312459893 527156 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And orang-utans say Eek! as well as Ook! < 1312459908 260287 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just want a BNF grammar for that sort of expressions, it sounds remarkably straight-forward. Something to the style of Exp ::= BinExp | UnExp | Immediate; BinExp ::= "(" BinOp Exp Exp ")"; UnExp ::= "(" UnOp Exp ")" and then suitable rules for UnOp/BinOp/Immediate. < 1312459908 974784 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOK AY < 1312459931 354413 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like he doesn't want a grammar but substitution rules < 1312459938 810089 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. (NOT 1) = (2bitTT10 1) = (0) < 1312459947 978223 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the original question sounded like a grammar. < 1312459951 986418 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1312459992 342546 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i need more states < 1312459993 744631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, about that succession fort. < 1312460012 13897 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :immediate0, immediate1, variable < 1312460027 596742 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :just call it an identifier < 1312460038 114133 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :an identifier is either 0, 1 or resolves to one of those two < 1312460063 641465 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im doing it to sort of concrete my ideas about term rewriting and truth tables :P < 1312460066 918965 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom_hoover: Dwarf Fortress? < 1312460071 783718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, of course. < 1312460077 69461 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sorta caught up to me < 1312460083 592659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, do you not have tab completion or something? < 1312460093 847029 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1312460107 314229 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't want it < 1312460117 476002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why? < 1312460123 198613 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: something like (2BitTT(a,b) 0) = a, (2BitTT(a,b) 1) = b ? < 1312460125 2079 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm not used to it < 1312460129 22482 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be weird < 1312460159 274416 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some of sirc's features: ircII-like -- with enhancements like built-in "tabkey" handling --" < 1312460176 258977 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Going by realname; didn't want to CTCP.) < 1312460177 388954 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tab makes "/m nickserv" < 1312460224 998285 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just plain tab is often "message to last messaged-to person"; but are you saying "ph" also does that? < 1312460245 258715 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/m nickserv" < 1312460254 755382 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one weird client. < 1312460279 960697 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it < 1312460320 355981 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't used to use tab completion either, but it doesn't make the lack of it any less weird. < 1312460396 599871 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well.. i am presupposing that "d = 2BitTT(a,b) c" means, if c = 0 then d = a, else if c = 1 then d = b < 1312460414 636746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, shouldn't that at least me /m nickserv identify? < 1312460423 263289 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1312460430 938564 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: that was the idea < 1312460434 782350 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1312460441 652999 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have it drawn up in a spreadsheet < 1312460443 771943 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not if it's the "new message to the last person I was talking to" key, like tab-without-context often is. < 1312460479 468143 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone made a language where you represent, in ASCII, a wired circuit? < 1312460480 549059 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so funge-ish < 1312460497 370889 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Wierd, but that's not it < 1312460506 162920 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think my confusion might come from having not actually implemented anything < 1312460540 562617 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: if you renamed it to tt2Bit, you could even make it in haskell < 1312460562 834116 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tt2Bit (a,_) 0 = a; tt2Bit (_,b) 1 = b < 1312460564 247652 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i could remove the word bit also < 1312460571 357166 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What about the bloodline game? < 1312460601 280436 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wierd and Rail both do the "codeflow along explicitly drawn paths" thing -- incidentally, I rather like Rail -- but it's not really circuit simulation if that's what you're looking for. < 1312460606 270046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, well, elliott expressed enthusiasm; it might be worth trying. < 1312460607 354618 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you like it? :D < 1312460692 370655 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Who wants to start? < 1312460695 890012 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Circute is an ASCII-represented CA that looks like NAND-based circuits. < 1312460713 637882 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I suspect it'd have to be you, since I've only been playing for about 2 days. < 1312460717 182993 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the elegance of your code suggests i really need to learn haskell < 1312460732 789877 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: It's slightly like Wireworld-in-ASCII. < 1312460828 108440 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: haskell is pretty succinct < 1312460900 720272 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's p. close < 1312460910 161081 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: this sounds a little bit obvious to me, but then it's been at least 25 years since i learned about truth tables :P < 1312461041 578053 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let tt4Bit (a,_,_,_) 0 0 = a; tt4Bit (_,b,_,_) 0 1 = b; tt4Bit (_,_,c,_) 1 0 = c; tt4Bit (_,_,_,d) 1 1 = d; and = tt4Bit (0,0,0,1); or = tt4Bit (0,1,1,1) in and 1 (or 1 0) < 1312461042 568928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1312461109 574835 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... < 1312461117 511216 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> and [True, or [True, False]] < 1312461117 795912 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Short. < 1312461118 410152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1312461205 389267 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Ix < 1312461205 852291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Ord a) => Ix a where < 1312461206 54725 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : range :: (a,a) -> [a] < 1312461206 54916 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : index :: (a,a) -> a -> Int < 1312461206 55021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : inRange :: (a,a) -> a -> Bool < 1312461206 55126 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : rangeSize :: (a,a) -> Int < 1312461231 452083 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the main idea of it is for things like trying to get through my head what: tt4Bit(1,1,0,1) it_is_raining the_ground_is_wet , really means < 1312461318 786317 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Bool -> Bool -> Bool < 1312461319 218572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (&&) :: Bool -> Bool -> Bool < 1312461319 420901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (||) :: Bool -> Bool -> Bool < 1312461319 421060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Bool (&&) :: Bool -> Bool -> Bool < 1312461325 336155 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, no implication there. < 1312461339 937998 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretations_of_2001:_A_Space_Odyssey < 1312461345 341266 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wheat often uses anagrams as evidence to support his theories. For example, of the name Heywood R. Floyd, he writes "He suggests Helen - Helen of Troy. Wood suggests wooden horse - the Trojan Horse. And oy suggests Troy." Of the remaining letters, he suggests "Y is Spanish for and. R, F, and L, in turn, are in ReFLect." Finally, noting that D can stand for downfall, Wheat concludes that Floyd's name has a hidden meaning < 1312461345 624887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :: "Helen and Wooden Horse Reflect Troy's Downfall"." < 1312461364 245068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best interpretation. < 1312461374 423502 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let tt4bit = flip $ curry (flip (!!) . index ((0,0),(1,1))) in or = tt4bit [0,1,1,1]; and = tt4bit [0,0,0,1] in and 1 (or 1 0) < 1312461375 214117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `=' < 1312461378 895432 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You can define implication in terms of not and or, IIRC < 1312461380 135074 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1312461389 864363 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let tt4bit = flip $ curry (flip (!!) . index ((0,0),(1,1))); or = tt4bit [0,1,1,1]; and = tt4bit [0,0,0,1] in and 1 (or 1 0) < 1312461391 53518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instances for (GHC.Num.Num [t1], GHC.Arr.Ix [t1]) < 1312461391 256154 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use ... < 1312461395 291890 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Sure, but you can define everything in terms of nand, yet it provides and/or. < 1312461401 672772 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, a → b == b \/ ¬a. < 1312461406 63652 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what exactly is implication? < 1312461413 219459 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's the one < 1312461414 828671 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, see above. < 1312461441 88629 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip $ curry (flip (!!) . index ((0,0),(1,1))) < 1312461442 176057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b t. (Num t, Num a, Ix t, Ix a) => a -> t -> [b] -> b < 1312461452 566277 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could never remember the proposition that gets the not :D < 1312461488 27395 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip (!!) . index ((0,0),(1,1)) < 1312461488 266667 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the example i am looking at says if it is raining then the ground is wet < 1312461488 882635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b t t1. (Num t, Num t1, Ix t, Ix t1) => (t, t1) -> [b] -> b < 1312461509 141036 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: If 2+2 = 5, I am a paper cup < 1312461579 313582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, note that the version of implication I defined is not a terribly intuitive one. < 1312461592 861821 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that could be phrased like: int ground_is_wet = check_if_it_is_raining(); < 1312461609 112203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, eeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww < 1312461637 521018 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise i see nothing. < 1312461651 939540 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just won't stick for me in my head < 1312461653 384539 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \a b c -> f (b,c) a < 1312461653 746106 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip (flip . (f .) . (,)) < 1312461687 708363 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1312461693 795316 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, you might want to read up on the Curry-Howard isomorphism. < 1312461707 847066 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \a b -> burger b a < 1312461708 415994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip burger < 1312461712 269966 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Heh heh." < 1312461725 252060 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1312461746 108887 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the implications are the section of the 4bit truth tables which seem to have never actually been named.. never actually been used < 1312461746 604941 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For some reason "flipping burgers" pops into my head every time I see one of those flip sequences.) < 1312461761 853598 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not in imperative languages < 1312461785 263016 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let tt4bit = curry . flip $ flip (!!) . index ((0,0),(1,1)); or = tt4bit [0,1,1,1]; and = tt4bit [0,0,0,1] in and 1 (or 1 0) < 1312461786 488388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `(a, b)' against inferred type `[a1]' < 1312461786 690979 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a World Microsoft Excel championship1? < 1312461803 902376 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t curry . flip $ flip (!!) . index ((0,0),(1,1)) < 1312461804 749022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `(a, b)' against inferred type `[a1]' < 1312461804 951300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the first argument of `flip', namely `(!!)' < 1312461804 951402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the first argument of `(.)', namely `flip (!!)' < 1312461826 824646 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you *entirely* sure you're still making the original more clearer by all this. < 1312461843 619447 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1312461857 123849 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone loves logical and,or,not,xor ... and their counterparts nand nor xnor... but i can't help thinking that the implications and non-implications seem to have been deemed useless for languages like C < 1312461896 430443 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The logical xor isn't really that often used; they didn't even bother with a non-bitwise operator for it in C. (Perhaps because it couldn't be made short-circuiting like and/or.) < 1312461930 817100 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well which means the bitwise one works non-bitwise too < 1312461948 246586 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not when the values aren't 0 or 1. < 1312461957 457071 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other logical operators autobooleanize. < 1312461963 735661 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1312461979 260924 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 && 2 == 1, but 1 ^ 2 == 3. < 1312461995 559988 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's unclear?~ < 1312461998 248494 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you can just !!1 ^ !!2 == 0, but... < 1312462010 597976 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so its this autobooleanizing property < 1312462028 169923 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Aw, no implication there. <-- you can use <= < 1312462029 913939 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the other main difference between & and &&; they could've done that for ^^. < 1312462080 236424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, brilliant. < 1312462133 904702 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "But the arrow's pointing at the wrong direction then." < 1312462172 344615 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always a critic < 1312462192 904937 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does an implication truthtable actually determine? < 1312462249 938469 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see that "it's raining" can be 0 or 1... < 1312462264 794356 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a person looks around and decides.. its_raining = 1 < 1312462273 363212 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :when A is on, it fixes B. when A is off, B can be anything < 1312462327 20628 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: But it's /not/ raining! < 1312462427 613051 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let tt4bit = curry . flip (flip (!!) . index ((0,0),(1,1))); or = tt4bit [0,1,1,1]; and = tt4bit [0,0,0,1] in and 1 (or 1 0) < 1312462429 389000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1312462431 707791 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1312462457 600985 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so clear and obvious < 1312462468 315162 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is implication actually useful in code? < 1312462474 130948 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A grand victory for pointlessness. < 1312462496 653610 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i struggle to see myself ever actually using implication on 2 bits < 1312462501 203929 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Maybe if you use Agda < 1312462512 107818 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ < 1312462559 574386 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g.: if (a IMPLIES b) blah(); < 1312462561 273699 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: it's probably there, just written in a different way with branches instead < 1312462562 131545 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how can I represent logic gates and flip-flops with single ASCII characters... < 1312462564 119701 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you might by accident have a need for the "!a || b" conditional, with which it is equivalent to, in which case you could use a hypothetical implication operator to confuse people. < 1312462591 905930 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no one thinks of using an implication operator for it < 1312462610 387863 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the cpu support it in an efficient way? < 1312462613 590068 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tyhought about using the same symbols as in C, but | is the up-down wire so it would be confusing < 1312462616 28241 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im guessing not < 1312462623 622248 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, a bitwise implication operator < 1312462648 73496 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Doesn't some BASIC have that? < 1312462657 250467 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1312462664 325824 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw one with almost the full set. < 1312462670 357386 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that there would be no direct implication operator in the x86 instruction set < 1312462680 129275 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: QBASIC, for example: http://zem.fi/~fis/qbc.html#QEw4MDli < 1312462682 282956 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it kind of pointless < 1312462687 317543 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IMP operator. < 1312462691 398490 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1312462694 221690 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't seen it used ever. < 1312462701 727439 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Of course you can just !!1 ^ !!2 == 0, but... <-- !1 == !2 is shorter < 1312462702 707743 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok sweet < 1312462703 561437 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1312462705 772423 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :EQV, IMP... < 1312462719 792286 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no NAND? < 1312462721 585247 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya.. see.. i am digging in no mans land < 1312462721 787804 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1312462731 204001 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tru pioneer < 1312462767 228798 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. you know what this means? < 1312462789 26175 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language in which the only boolean operator is the implication < 1312462806 892129 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's equivalent to NAND < 1312462808 896060 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so should be doable < 1312462819 903134 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hmm < 1312462822 838287 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you make NOT with implies? < 1312462834 646599 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if you can < 1312462840 443191 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is. < 1312462844 671597 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not < 1312462847 187087 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_completeness#Minimal_functionally_complete_operator_sets < 1312462847 390004 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language is still a language even if its not turing complete < 1312462850 695910 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimal sets. < 1312462865 787925 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found a location for the bloodline game < 1312462893 97893 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a soft spot for this IMP < 1312462940 216427 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : what does an implication truthtable actually determine? <-- well it's called "material implication". i find that it helps to see it as an implication if it is used with quantifying over a whole bunch of things. "forall x. P(x) or not Q(x)" feels more obviously like an implication that P(x) implies Q(x) than when you are looking at just one case. < 1312462959 212213 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1312462970 806729 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, is that location as in paradise or location as in Headshoots? < 1312462973 681703 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*forall x. Q(x) or not P(x) < 1312462981 415444 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Temperate < 1312462992 806297 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With good resources < 1312462998 757390 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Temperate Haskell < 1312463012 850092 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, another, Curry-Howardy way of viewing it, is that a → b means that if you have a proof that a is true, you can turn it into a proof that b is true. < 1312463110 988368 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1312463127 951812 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : can you make NOT with implies? <-- no. this is the point where i use to link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_lattice which has all the information for such questions, extremely technically. < 1312463204 978281 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found a better location < 1312463212 40155 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise, implication gives T_1^infinity, NOT gives UD, and the latter is not directly beneath the former. < 1312463271 256626 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact the only thing they're both under is the top T, showing that _together_ they generate everything. < 1312463314 379566 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diagram near the middle) < 1312463348 917976 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i found a possible use for it: if ( x > 50 IMP flag ) printf("X is larger than 50\n"); < 1312463350 470455 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and table to the left of it) < 1312463368 824916 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.. no wait i didn't :-s < 1312463372 854515 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even better location < 1312463375 43520 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warm < 1312463376 650906 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't at all.. < 1312463377 531959 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woorland < 1312463386 664302 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/r/d/ < 1312463394 405531 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moderate vegetation < 1312463395 455143 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calm < 1312463396 973872 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brook < 1312463398 889326 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clay < 1312463401 361726 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some soil < 1312463407 603664 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shallow metals < 1312463410 838121 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep metals < 1312463413 166607 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flux stone < 1312463415 211649 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam < 1312463420 27658 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flux stone and spam < 1312463428 732736 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam and flux stone < 1312463437 374401 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam and flux stone and spam < 1312463440 842257 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw T_1^infinity is the rightmost dot, UD is in the middle, third from bottom) < 1312463441 128503 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam and spam < 1312463444 828233 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stop < 1312463468 694582 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And spam < 1312463503 154847 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can you make NOT with implies? < 1312463512 123699 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can with nonimplication and constants. < 1312463571 833801 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Here's one: if (quiet IMP critical) log("thing"); that's equivalent to if (!quiet || critical) log("thing"); i.e. "log if we haven't been asked to be quiet, or if the situation is critical", and it's much clearer when written without the IMP in there. < 1312463603 411529 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nonimplication is dual to implication, T_0^infinity :) < 1312463630 813645 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1312463652 45934 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the constants are down near the bottom at UP_0 and UP_1 < 1312463790 17213 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I found #esoteric-dwarf-fortress ? < 1312463806 871365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, nah, just use -minecraft. < 1312464168 977706 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: incidentally iirc, satisfiability of your boolean circuits is NP-complete precisely when your building blocks can construct nonimplication < 1312464191 97125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Minecraft? < 1312464191 812056 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit vague iirc though < 1312464204 99547 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1312464211 425689 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Building blocks? < 1312464217 480137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1312464220 820313 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a general term. < 1312464236 118922 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it was in relation to You can with nonimplication and constants. < 1312464248 538940 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1312464325 691708 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1312464333 225358 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think i get it.. since IMP can be constructed from other things, and is basically a specialization of OR there is not any hidden use for it < 1312464397 364238 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in terms of imperative languages < 1312464424 495793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, well, as oerjan said, it's not very intuitive unless you're working with quantifiers. < 1312465289 225939 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I came up with a first draft spec for the 'ascii circuitry' language < 1312465378 599472 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I call it... < 1312465421 585039 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII circuitry? < 1312465423 544545 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Togic? < 1312465454 804934 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if I should make a befunge pun or if it would be unwarranted < 1312465741 736163 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: bffunge < 1312466048 221507 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/mwOmg.jpg < 1312466445 331986 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done that < 1312466524 783374 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1312466962 613935 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay http://esolangs.org/wiki/Wirefunge < 1312467030 182407 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I just realized it needs a way to exit < 1312467134 530986 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it has one \o/ < 1312467134 815539 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                     | < 1312467135 100497 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    /< < 1312467238 9867 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how "funge" that is. < 1312467248 687336 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither, but I can't think of a snazzy name that's not a pun < 1312467249 827265 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you? < 1312467252 879717 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll happily rename it < 1312467264 610401 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no good with names, unfortunately. < 1312467337 123669 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Two-dimensional_languages -- that's quite a big category. < 1312467387 423804 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any pun name you make can't be worse than "Sir. Cut". < 1312467525 188677 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Sir. Cut < 1312467921 229344 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1312467922 768856 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312469974 249958 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312470506 683046 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1312470734 956962 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312471284 813589 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1312471383 790123 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1312471466 529854 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1312471674 397504 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Walking dog < 1312471830 272422 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Enjoy being locked in your #matrixofsolidity | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1312471850 534582 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1312472080 290876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312472186 766982 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :with implications, i am trying to figure out why it is not the case that i can say if (it_is_raining), then render_my_carpet_as_I_am_indoors(); < 1312472284 363539 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the problem is I can't say if (A) then B; < 1312472302 776245 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean: if (A) then B(); < 1312472421 114294 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could also look like: if (A()) B(); < 1312472572 871839 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ill drop it... i have had all the explanations.. < 1312472589 486292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, what are you going on about? < 1312472598 460341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say that; you just said it. < 1312472737 630473 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: what? < 1312472768 780640 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language, what context? < 1312472787 678024 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it that the typical programming line: "if (conditional) then statement();" is not relevant to material implication? < 1312472813 463656 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, do you mean logical implication? < 1312472822 600169 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a conditional statement in logic? < 1312472827 198552 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they're different. < 1312472829 958422 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like they have left out the words "do" < 1312472833 991076 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most languages that I know of < 1312472838 285983 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (X) then do Y < 1312472859 841041 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, that's because in logic a conditional does not specify a procedure, it is a statement of truth or false. < 1312472871 754029 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOme languages includ that. < 1312472888 301973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1312472892 327368 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that a lot of them leave it out because an aversion to making poeple type letters. < 1312472913 251074 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an implicit "do" which can leave uneducated ones like me a bit peeved < 1312472917 211735 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312472933 906377 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1312472953 370392 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For similar reasons, most languages don't have "set" before assignment. < 1312473011 430491 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :P -> Q is equivalent to ~P v (P ^ Q) where v is or and ^ is and < 1312473060 386359 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, impliation seemed ot be kind of an odd name. < 1312473083 327853 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was (~P) v Q from my researching < 1312473083 594796 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it's not true, it's obviously because the implication is proved false. < 1312473090 309898 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of a language whose conditional statement works like that, because the conditional is either returning some useful data value, or is an imperitive control flow statement that specifies a procedure and not a logical assertion. < 1312473131 317869 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when it's true, it's not really shown to be true, only not shown to be false. < 1312473147 329354 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: yes that's equivalent actually. < 1312473155 440516 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1312473187 117791 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no... it's not.. :P < 1312473191 386269 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours is right. My mistake. < 1312473209 209147 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been studying this for hours so i am bound to have it right < 1312473211 620497 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :......er, no, they actually are equivalent nevermind. :P < 1312473219 746536 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welll I tihnk they are the same, in binary lgic. < 1312473231 325499 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. tired, as usual. < 1312473252 138813 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If P is not false, it is true. < 1312473266 462049 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: so anyways a conditional in a proof in a conditional in a program as different, more or less. I ca < 1312473274 364708 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :n't really formally show why that is though... < 1312473306 217710 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... s/in/and/ s/as/are/ what the hell. < 1312473315 1730 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a sign that I should sleep, clearly. < 1312473348 626764 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I know that in a program, the statement part of the conditional isn't used to determine wheter the condition it's in is met. < 1312473382 806154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312473397 900229 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though of course you could make it that way if you wanted. < 1312473401 229855 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :even conditional expressions, such as the ones in functional languages and some procedural languages, are different. They require an else operand, which is not something that makes sense with the logical conditional. < 1312473501 115173 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (-->) a b = not p || q in if False --> True then "this is not making a truth assertion, but the logical conditional is" else "" < 1312473501 968810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Bool.Bool' < 1312473502 171183 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type ... < 1312473530 405650 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (-->) a b = not a || b in if False --> True then "this is not making a truth assertion, but the logical conditional is" else "" < 1312473531 125850 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "this is not making a truth assertion, but the logical conditional is" < 1312473596 229858 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, I probably haven't cleared anything up, but oh well. < 1312473652 257869 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312473798 79845 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1312473877 94442 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312473924 544119 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : P -> Q is equivalent to ~P v (P ^ Q) where v is or and ^ is and < 1312473926 876008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not. < 1312474005 992621 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312474066 861082 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1312474174 337160 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\p q -> not p || (p && q)) <$> [True, False] <*> [True, False] < 1312474175 296991 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [True,False,True,True] < 1312474197 260949 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312474197 463386 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1312474203 930348 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that not the truth table for a condition? < 1312474307 598099 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312474514 679297 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so.. if (it_is_raining) render_rain(); if (ground_is_wet) render_mud(); if (!(!it_is_raining || ground_is_wet)) error(); < 1312474550 595299 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am trying to imagine practical uses for implications within a program < 1312474608 296089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I completed VVVVVV (with all trinkets and all map) in 3 hours 58 minutes the first time < 1312474612 345558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems a little short as games go < 1312474624 206459 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you want something to occur when one thing implies another or you also want the same thing to happen when the condition is false and thus irrelevant, or something. < 1312474628 545368 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, it's not common to use. < 1312474648 325729 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1312474663 787727 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you would use it wherever you have the condition ~p v q < 1312474689 152351 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something fits that pattern, it could be rewritten as implication, if the language supports it or if it's defined somewhere. < 1312474694 494385 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a way for the program to catch out a logical incongruity < 1312474704 701444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: someone else I've been talking to online a lot spells eliot with one l and one t, it's disconcerting after getting used to the spelling of your name < 1312474792 395214 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ~p -> q would be the same thing as using || < 1312474911 958481 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a is not a prime number, then it is a composite number. < 1312474921 748222 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, a is a prime number or a composite number. < 1312474949 663832 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... void Implies(int a, int b) { if (!(!a || b)) error(); } ... Implied(hp == 0, gameover); Implied(time_remaining == 0, gameover); < 1312474978 45168 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm really stretching there though < 1312475005 965287 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you capitalized Implies which kind of scares me a little. < 1312475020 456017 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spelled it with an s instead of a d also < 1312475036 974171 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in a safe world of variable naming schemes and you brought me out of my safety box. < 1312475044 934702 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a scary world out here. < 1312475053 494279 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at CakeProphet
< 1312475063 907851 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaah! < 1312475068 578096 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's not basic.. where ABC == Abc = abc < 1312475070 413001 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hides under pillow.
< 1312475109 752307 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the contents of the all lowercase variable modifies the result of testing the upper case variable with the title case variable? < 1312475112 908565 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are some odd semantics. < 1312475125 718672 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i just forgot the second = < 1312475134 989684 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, of course. silly me. < 1312475148 728088 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in basic, the identifier ABC == Abc == abc < 1312475160 6817 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :scared? < 1312475165 677965 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be < 1312475183 239622 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah that's sensible. < 1312475203 522908 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just makes naming similar things of different kinds difficult. < 1312475232 321311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is that not the truth table for a condition? < 1312475246 366901 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww yeah. there's something satisfying about getting something in the mail 2 days after you order it. < 1312475254 843564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: not in all BASICs < 1312475255 104587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If A is false, A → B is true. < 1312475258 455914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC BASIC was case sensitive < 1312475263 61636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the case in every logic I know of. < 1312475265 889832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, keywords had to be in uppercase < 1312475267 411818 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of a "holy crap mail is ridiculous" moment. < 1312475277 417974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you couldn't type lowercase by holding shift with capslock on < 1312475283 573955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so programs tended to be all uppercase < 1312475292 592214 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: correct... ~p v ... makes that happen. < 1312475318 572030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, oh, right. < 1312475320 417445 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1312475330 506556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, your expression is correct, but there's no need for the and. < 1312475351 706431 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I see that now it's just how I worked it out in my head because I forgot the usual equivalence. < 1312475413 807211 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think every programming language should be in upper case. < 1312475431 696210 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to convey forcefulness to the computer. To let it know who is in charge. < 1312475472 757915 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be interesting to me if, in C, numl1 => num2; meant if (num1) num2 = 1; < 1312475489 332665 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn typo < 1312475498 208760 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell would much more elegant if the Fibonacci sequence were FIBS = 0 : 1 : ZIPWITH (+) FIBS (TAILS FIBS) < 1312475596 203311 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess tertiary operator does similar < 1312475606 267861 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :trinary^? < 1312475608 135513 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUBLIC STATIC VOID MAIN(STRING[] ARGS) {...} < 1312475611 224697 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ternary < 1312475630 420064 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tertiary is the third of primary, secondary, ... < 1312475637 590975 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ternary is the third of unary, binary, ... < 1312475662 825814 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And trinary is an alternative form of ternary < 1312475683 642132 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey what do you know it is. < 1312475700 178079 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds better really, I just don't see it as often. < 1312475725 296701 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312475788 681828 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nullary technically comes before unary. I don't think there's a step above primary... < 1312475927 881696 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nullary numbers. < 1312475933 12930 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe kindergarden. < 1312475944 885817 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or pre-k < 1312475991 854115 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pre-k might just be a US thing. < 1312476072 793911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have nursery before primary school in the UK < 1312476078 711800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that children go there at all, they don't all do < 1312476289 613685 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, so if I plug in my new VGA-to-YPbPr adapter into my laptop's VGA port and my display manager doesn't detect a new monitor, does that mean that my graphics card doesn't support TV-out or does that mean I just need to plug the other end of the adapter into something before I can find out? < 1312476326 187468 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how the latter would be possible... so, I'm going with the former most likely. < 1312476867 328707 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, if you plug your vanadium gallium to yttrium lead praesodymium adaptor? < 1312476901 507404 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1312476922 906659 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I don't have those I'll have to wait to find out. < 1312476942 200429 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just not really sure how my hardware would detect that something is plugged into the other end. < 1312476959 227002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, WP has updated its appeals to include one of the sad nobodies that make all the edits. < 1312477166 920961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edit count is a really bad measurement of anything < 1312477573 234947 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :edit count is a pretty good measurement of editing activity, though. < 1312477581 285973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, not even that. < 1312477598 619047 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....? edits per week? < 1312477610 668434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you'd need to look at the size of each edit. < 1312477620 31479 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312477797 201289 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that would be a good measurement of spamming, I guess. < 1312477866 150253 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no, it would be good. But someone with thousands of typo corrections will probably still have a higher cumulative "edit size" than someone who writes hundreds of paragraph-sized and larger edits. < 1312477896 588183 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they would be close to equal. < 1312477946 348415 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1312477949 747186 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :total number of bytes changed would be good, I guess. Factors in revisions as well as new content. < 1312477974 675157 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then people who revert spam, unsourced material, etc, would get an advantage. < 1312478029 398173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallest diff to any previous version of the page is probably a more reasonable metric < 1312478042 934022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd need to ensure that the edits stayed in the page, too < 1312478058 801191 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about when the page has seen heavy spam? < 1312478061 224575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, doing routine admin work, or wikignoming, can rack up edits extremely quickly without doing much real work < 1312478068 496627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's why "any previous version" < 1312478087 793905 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "any previous version" includes spam, is what I meant < 1312478092 195841 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really those are important maintenance functions, especially on a site with millions of articles. It's equally important to maintain the existing quality as it is to add new content. Also, improving quality doesn't necessarily take a lot of bytes. < 1312478161 954666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well, the diff against spam will be quite large, so it won't be the smallest < 1312478190 689202 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312478190 891230 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1312478724 634029 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I was laying there and dreamed up a chess piece. 1d4 = starting position d4,d5,e4,e5; every turn 1d4 = north, south, east, west; every turn 1d6 = number of steps; It captures anything in it's path but it gets stopped in it's tracks by doing so. Also it is stopped by the edge of the board. < 1312478812 369430 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible additional rules. It could die of hunger if it doesn't capture a piece for N turns. < 1312478935 815112 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312478940 44438 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1312479049 800631 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Eating too many carrots can discolor skin, but it's harmless and temporary < 1312479384 900966 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1312479386 419115 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1312479429 675746 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1312479555 419139 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312480045 372652 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312480068 460082 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1312480075 769956 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-194.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312480677 365768 :atome!~quassel@78.250.211.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312481091 658911 :atome!~quassel@78.250.211.70 QUIT :Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Discuter simplement. Partout. < 1312481198 960234 :atome_!~quassel@78.250.211.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312481202 356235 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312481251 461442 :atome_!~quassel@78.250.211.70 QUIT :Client Quit < 1312481297 283070 :atome!~quassel@78.250.211.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312481301 832541 :atome!~quassel@78.250.211.70 QUIT :Client Quit < 1312481337 401586 :atome!~quassel@78.250.211.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312482988 349300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1312483148 839560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312484191 158430 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1312484301 508306 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1312484961 253522 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1312485385 406499 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Are there any examples of two games of Nomic having diplomatic negotiations with eachother? < 1312485438 648092 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did have Ambassadors in Agora once, iirc. whether they ever got anything useful done, i'm not sure. < 1312485464 374915 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running a small game of Nomic on the MSPA forums < 1312485473 547159 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we declared war against Rishonomic. < 1312485486 271985 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1312485496 794730 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anything come of that? < 1312485521 840959 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: they had the chutzpah to declare us boring :P < 1312485534 932514 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How could they!? < 1312485570 477267 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1312485603 538376 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they declared basically everyone else their enemy, so of course _we_ had to go to war :P < 1312485611 234424 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(everyone _except_ us) < 1312485670 485624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they declared war on every nomic they knew of but Agora, and did "not go to war with Agora, because they are a generally boring lot" < 1312485675 791167 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not entirely sure how much came of it. rishon _did_ collapse, but i'm not sure if it was agorans' fault < 1312485679 733067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, not way, it was sworn enemy < 1312485689 607730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it collapsed just after repelling an Agoran invasion, for unrelated reasons < 1312485700 410801 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How could you invade? < 1312485706 819892 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would that even work? < 1312485720 645694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you try to force a rule into the other nomic's ruleset < 1312485722 579888 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like metagame < 1312485730 153559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally via scam < 1312485775 438972 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nomic's a meta-metagame < 1312485823 707087 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it actually is < 1312485843 113124 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets hit by a falling anvil, just in case
< 1312485909 406415 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules define how to define the rules < 1312486083 451159 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ais, i know this will be a fun question but i didn't want to hog it... what sort of rules do they try to force into the other Nomic's ruleset? < 1312486096 120987 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1312486245 743098 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think agora went for trying to get rishon to declare agora their masters, or something < 1312486265 583456 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1312486323 919007 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall there may have been something about making that rule unrepealable, as well < 1312486411 605241 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312486432 305835 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1312486653 436272 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5 < 1312487254 537551 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1312487343 520385 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When does a game of Nomic become a Micronation? < 1312487503 930855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far yet, none have managed it, so we don't know < 1312487509 12192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora tried at one point < 1312487637 767611 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are their any constraints on the game? is it confined to a forum or text type of thing? < 1312487647 184294 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^there < 1312487648 852636 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does a micronation have that a nomic doesn't < 1312487668 947442 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: all constraints are temporary, in principle < 1312487678 773648 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they can be repealed < 1312487687 711183 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1312487720 304417 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomic has been played on many fora, i'm not sure if any have moved to a radically different one... < 1312487728 667645 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it would be right of me to say that some players will necessarily be evil... < 1312487735 636385 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't understand human nature well enough < 1312487738 725997 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait frc is of course an example < 1312487745 726184 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it moved from nomic world to email < 1312487768 136964 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, suppose for example that some nomic players met up in a shopping center < 1312487778 746117 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might be trapped in a kind of limbo between the two worlds < 1312487788 799250 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: my first nomic game was around a table in a gaming club < 1312487812 719962 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it get very far? < 1312487825 681052 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then someone posted a link to nomic world on the club's email list, and there i was. < 1312487834 470075 :Sulmersal!~Sulmersal@CPE-70-94-60-54.kc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1312487837 695490 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it was a one evening thing < 1312487850 244336 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well.. ok like a contrasting game is truth or dare < 1312487868 549232 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora is older than me < 1312487876 306454 :Sulmersal!~Sulmersal@CPE-70-94-60-54.kc.res.rr.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1312487882 120100 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. truth or dare being like a ventilation system of the inhibitions and ceaseless agony of existence < 1312487888 584876 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: you _could_ include real life elements, i guess. < 1312487894 923142 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think you should < 1312487902 395474 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean all hell could break loose < 1312487903 535189 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has never played truth or date, anyway
< 1312487903 961517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what does a micronation have that a nomic doesn't <--- Aerica complained that the situation was the reverse, that Agora wasn't a micronation because it had victory conditions < 1312487916 334685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is truth or date some sort of truth or dare modification? < 1312487916 537093 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh < 1312487922 275487 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dare < 1312487943 376845 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well.. so.. playing around a table at a gaming club... what is the substance of the game? is it played through talking? < 1312487958 118245 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a freudian slip, i've heard _some_ truth and dares can get into such territory < 1312488033 271048 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1312488036 942211 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :truth or dare is just like an excuse for horny teenagers to make out and laugh at embarassing moments in history < 1312488045 100627 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... < 1312488057 622130 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: ok so you are saying it's _most_ truth and dares. o kay < 1312488084 178336 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok what i mean though... is.. < 1312488096 47349 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :truth or dare does invoke real life consequences < 1312488110 388411 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be dangerous if nomic ever combined itself with truth or dare somehow < 1312488122 992181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :invoking real life consequences is the whole purpose of truth or dare, isn't it? < 1312488131 835999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reveal some embarassing fact, or do something to create a new embarassing fact? < 1312488142 442575 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: peter suber's original ruleset was intended for table play, anyway. play went around the table with players taking turns. the original ruleset of agora had already removed that aspect. < 1312488167 474267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, people who've played in-person nomic say that having a word processor handy is helpful < 1312488187 483976 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawyers would probably be good at it < 1312488191 941910 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: nomic has a "you can always quit instead" rule for such situations, anyway. < 1312488196 316418 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tooth or Bear: Each turn, either take out your own tooth, or wrestle a bear. < 1312488249 639463 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i am so boring to discuss such things < 1312488299 5171 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOunds like it would be rather difficult to teach a comptuer to play nomi, since it would have to understand arbitrary new rules. < 1312488302 391937 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: oh i vaguely recall agora once passed a rule that all players should brush their teeth properly :P there was a following judgement to the effect that agora _could_ affect real life things, iirc < 1312488320 862916 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1312488335 629647 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not aware that anything else of the kind has been done < 1312488341 866954 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in agora) < 1312488350 847067 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: theres probably erotic Nomics :P < 1312488395 997989 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 34 or whatever < 1312488401 938253 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's erotic everything < 1312488413 25002 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BDSM community would really take to it < 1312488414 858599 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably an erotic esoteric programming language out there < 1312488439 537313 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoterotic? < 1312488507 335062 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Tooth or Bear: Each turn, either take out your own tooth, or wrestle a bear. < 1312488508 699112 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :561) Tooth or Bear: Each turn, either take out your own tooth, or wrestle a bear. < 1312488542 481177 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well real life is very complicated. something like Nomic is best to stay in its own dimension < 1312488544 935359 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1312488552 495200 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: i am so boring to discuss such things <-- beware of self fulfilling thought patterns < 1312488563 366581 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say that in the most hypocritical way possible < 1312488663 184758 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I am trying to view life lately is that everything is going to go wrong around me... and that I just have to make something of my time and energy in the space i've got left for myself < 1312488676 660793 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1312488717 57411 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: there have been programming language "nomics", btw. but there the players had to actually make the code to make the game do what they wanted. it solves the understanding problem, since the players cannot code that requirement :P < 1312488757 65413 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess the computer wasn't really a player there < 1312488773 698650 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are those who will try to say "it's not so bad".. but you know.. the world really is that bad... it really is.. but so what? who is really listening when you complain about the state of things? < 1312488787 135779 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1312488789 225941 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im listening < 1312488794 44181 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i stop < 1312488797 453456 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. you have to take responsibility for what you can do < 1312488812 594134 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because.. noone is ever going to make everything ok < 1312488835 623725 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not like you shouldn't take responsibility anyway. < 1312488839 911601 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I need to get involved in this conversation at some point < 1312488875 931248 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to back away from the conversation because i tend to hog chats < 1312488900 440261 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything will not go wrong < 1312488908 157710 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything will not go right either < 1312488938 274585 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everything will go < 1312489025 413226 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I have to stop and ask myself, "why do they do this to me?", at that point I realize that I have the power to change my situation in small ways, and it is my choice whether I exercize that or not. < 1312489064 160666 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does who do what < 1312489101 355037 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do this < 1312489210 259889 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :salespeople, loansharks, ponzi schemers... < 1312489215 489297 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you familiar with Them? < 1312489215 693550 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what the hell is that??? you are quite a sn0b < 1312489222 581965 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1312489236 209166 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1312489236 451062 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher homestuck* ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1312489272 291521 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :spyware, software installers with browser toolbars which can only be turned off by clicking a subtle checkbox, < 1312489289 220834 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lovecraft < 1312489289 424268 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings) < 1312489296 648961 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi? < 1312489297 206763 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: it was a rough parallel in all essential features of the dead < 1312489299 14614 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :facebook wreaking havoc with your privacy, lulzsec revealing your details < 1312489304 503776 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :nya < 1312489310 248916 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style nethack < 1312489310 451271 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal) < 1312489313 399111 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hihihihi < 1312489313 742047 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: master of thieves: there was a handsome young man lifted the sword and thrust with both arms; the blade broke the surface, the prince himself is about the newspaper stories which recounted the alleged existence of creatures in the depths of the shopkeep logic ( hence our former mailing list address). < 1312489353 216360 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :makeup product testing on animals < 1312489373 642727 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: is there a word for people like you < 1312489392 740407 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1312489392 942660 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1312489393 970196 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENDLESS junkmail in my email inbox < 1312489397 924149 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Hi~ < 1312489398 324328 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: air france? typical american, you ll never see youtube with this jaybad... he is like the punching kola ad and the airbus < 1312489404 852519 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve. < 1312489407 419033 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :endless spam in blog comment sections < 1312489422 749311 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :endless automated signups leading to the creation of captchas < 1312489461 557614 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :endless car thefts leading to sensitive car alarms that are triggered by a strong wind < 1312489476 997660 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :identity thieves < 1312489489 110590 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :pickpockets < 1312489502 749285 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: so these are them? < 1312489506 755231 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them < 1312489509 987309 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: and what did they do to you specifically < 1312489524 786704 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they force me into the corner to hide < 1312489541 105606 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are out there everyday stalking < 1312489548 315458 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you paranoid < 1312489550 145949 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am probably one of them < 1312489564 268827 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has to be a better word for you < 1312489570 634125 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they ARE after me... they are after anyone they can get their clutches on < 1312489585 18991 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just probability that they don't get the opportunity < 1312489622 323502 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sure i haven't managed to cast a wide enough net to define "them" though < 1312489749 108254 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, also, there is a trickle down effect... they do take their damage.. and it trickles down to everyone. everyone needing to pass the buck < 1312489763 167902 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1312489775 613554 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :jou! < 1312489810 260760 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a finn. hide everyone! < 1312489837 762391 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like if there is an economic plane which is a manifold and heavy balls were dropped on it distorting it in places < 1312489894 754565 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. if a father is beaten up.. their family was dependant on him for economic security.. and the pressure on everyone builds up < 1312489905 527868 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if someone is on drugs.. and has to steal from their family < 1312489907 961557 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a similar effect < 1312489918 391166 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. I'm about as esoteric as what are you all non-finns.. < 1312489933 59541 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: all i know is that while not thinking about those kind of things doesn't necessarily make my day a good one, _all_ my good days are when i manage to avoid it. < 1312489951 231726 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: the question is, how glove are you? < 1312489997 987880 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: as much as what a herd of cats is. < 1312490029 41287 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch! I think that's too glove, but hopefully that's glove enough < 1312490083 333580 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: no finns here. _especially_ not fizzie or Deewiant. or tswett, even if he sounds like one at times. < 1312490121 720642 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaive ottani ei olla espataa elmä soo. < 1312490146 699195 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah :) < 1312490148 300608 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like estonian. < 1312490164 519667 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if Estonians thought it sounded like Finnish. < 1312490227 171492 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: according to google, you failed to make two of those words untranslatable < 1312490262 681578 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "ei" and "olla" are definitely real words. Any others? < 1312490276 722470 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1312490310 356261 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :after applying the suggested corrections of the finnish text, google gives me "Ozone can not be a drain espataa life soo." < 1312490335 396280 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ooh! I see the matrix of solidity has made a comeback in the topic, good stuff) < 1312490386 67851 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: darn i was hoping i had escaped < 1312490427 721299 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason it's called the matrix of *solidity*, you know < 1312490459 410939 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i thought if i drank enough, i'd become fluid instead < 1312490461 854997 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :funniest thing I know about estonia is that there is a city called 'hawk' they have tried to cover from their map. < 1312490479 62735 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cover? < 1312490486 299343 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 'hawk' in estonian sounds much like 'dick' in finnish. < 1312490536 888514 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship town: Fucking, Austria < 1312490577 578404 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: not actually true) < 1312490605 982149 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it happens to be, let's check < 1312490610 281266 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" are definitely real words. Any others? < 1312490610 488304 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:37 < oerjan> beats me < 1312490621 755500 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://maps.google.com/maps?q=viro+kulli&hl=en&ll=58.636935,26.334229&spn=4.868035,7.756348&sll=58.378679,26.312256&sspn=2.451155,3.878174&t=h&z=7 < 1312490645 656552 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ottani" is a plausible dialectical way of saying "otsani", i.e. "my forehead". < 1312490690 55199 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. < 1312490697 964900 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be multiple 'kulli' in estonia < 1312490702 592703 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "kaive" could I guess be some sort of a digging; from "kaivaa" 'to dig'; also "kaiverrus" 'engraving'. But I don't think it's quite a standard word. < 1312490766 272238 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "soo soo" is what you can say to a young child who has behaved badly. < 1312490784 429688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312490799 560800 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kaive" the gap between buttocks < 1312490838 104449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the channel has gone downhill while I was away. < 1312490845 810067 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something else you might dig into < 1312490859 180844 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: always downhill < 1312490870 764288 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder when it goes uphill.. < 1312490880 54858 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :always downhille < 1312490888 55194 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it goes uphill backwards in time < 1312490898 608321 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 2009, the European Union's OHIM trademarks agency forbade a German brewery to market a beer called "Fucking Hell". It appealed, and was granted permission in January 2010 to market the beer.[23] It claims the beer is named after the Austrian village Fucking and the German term for pale lager, Hell." < 1312490923 122782 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess it does that when the variable underflows. < 1312490945 814994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery, honestly, we use bigints for our hills. < 1312490956 606842 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary-precision suckage < 1312490987 281435 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like worldwide economy then? < 1312490996 414567 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it's always downways instead of upwards.. < 1312491055 295019 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kaive ottani ei olla espataa elmä soo." <- if you wonder at this thing. it really means nothing in finnish even though someone might think it's estonian < 1312491060 452214 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let depth = exp(100) in ceiling depth < 1312491061 423063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 26881171418161356094253400435962903554686976 < 1312491069 709779 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er darn < 1312491072 131275 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking lambda! < 1312491088 763797 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let debt = exp(100) in ceiling debt -- i can't spel < 1312491089 670119 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 26881171418161356094253400435962903554686976 < 1312491114 975479 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or then.. it could also be drunkspeak < 1312491135 488489 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :26881171418161356094253400435962903554686976 is pretty deep < 1312491143 756179 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: i wasn't particularly wondering. this _is_ tswett, after all. < 1312491154 81316 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty deeb too < 1312491163 414392 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yeah hard to dig oneself out of < 1312491174 645659 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kai se ottava ei ole espanja enmä osaa sanoa" < 1312491187 313881 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :digging upwards is my favourite sport and hobby < 1312491264 808510 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could try continue my language project.. < 1312491270 277859 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it's again night. :) < 1312491284 595753 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :night time is best time < 1312491290 438454 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've spent my daytime playing games, talking, driving a car and shopping. < 1312491309 429840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery, what language project? < 1312491323 874884 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Does it involve brainfuck in which case DIE) < 1312491379 165849 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involves personally handwritten retargetable compiler backend. < 1312491385 10717 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to read that as make a brainfuck IDE < 1312491439 72242 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like to kill people by virtually stabbing them. you could try: http://www.kongregate.com/games/icecreambreakfst/racing-comrade < 1312491447 308997 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whicch would certainly be interesting < 1312491501 199410 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And boring < 1312491561 74320 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hey i have a project involving brainfuck neener neener < 1312491622 889512 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, no one found a way to calculate n%2 in 3 cells while preserving n :( < 1312491689 27025 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ i can manage to end the main loop on a finite, fixed set of values, but that's sort of unsatisfying < 1312491689 358420 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :basicly, if I'd get off from the unproductivity cycle, I'd get on to writing stuff that converts bunch of expressions in a program flow graph into thin amount of assembly language in x86 and nvidia gtx460 < 1312491721 70217 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's enough to do decision problems < 1312491741 910858 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'd continue from that by implementing a language, so I can implement graphical IDE in the language so I can skip parsing entirely. < 1312491763 950831 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'd rewrite the whole compiler in the language I just created. < 1312491773 466055 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1312491826 94162 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: you mean making a language without a text syntax? < 1312491861 175223 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. < 1312491911 211876 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played with the editing concepts but distracted into other things entirely, and then I distracted into doing compiler stuff, which is indeed very useful for all of my earlier projects. < 1312492027 661766 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at BRB and notes that for most esolangs, the _more_ commands they have the _less_ interesting they are
< 1312492081 459257 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like correct < 1312492086 896319 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :more commands means more crap anyway < 1312492089 608075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1312492110 617308 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge being an exception < 1312492118 28041 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got some sort of semi esoteric semi production -thingy as goal. < 1312492137 957854 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure whether it's even esoteric after all then.. < 1312492148 194476 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Just a special instance of the general scenario in software: the more stuff your software has, the worse it is. < 1312492215 74892 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true too < 1312492245 458570 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that in some cases the complexity can be handled and it's actually awesome. < 1312492258 50294 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: haskell? < 1312492281 421653 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok haskell has some creaky parts too) < 1312492287 491644 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's necessary and unnecessary complexity. < 1312492299 682802 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most complexity is unnecessary. < 1312492391 533308 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: I think if it is developed without anyone investing any money then it is esoteric < 1312492391 735695 :lin0mak!~chatzilla@59.164.0.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1312492418 126512 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be going too far though,,, < 1312492432 927749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, it's going so far that light takes ten minutes to reach it. < 1312492455 961720 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the assumption there is that all these 1000s of people who learn to make compilers don't actually ever invent their own languages < 1312492457 75771 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's further than the sun! < 1312492484 534772 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the sun's pretty far away < 1312492485 870989 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if they do they're kept private < 1312492488 263744 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, 25% further! < 1312492498 806595 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: well there are all kinds of money, do academic grants count? < 1312492500 108652 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :125% as far! < 1312492533 48593 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think an esoteric language is defined as being designed to be unusable < 1312492540 642817 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it may be just a matter of many people don't having _time_ to make anything big without being paid. < 1312492542 909021 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: I don't know whether 'doing your own language' auto-ensures esoteric.. or wait < 1312492564 684897 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :um yeah.. no < 1312492566 249453 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ill cluster bomb my definition < 1312492567 312696 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's a bit far in the other direction again < 1312492587 383143 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux was a doing your own operating system < 1312492606 106970 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about themed? < 1312492606 308989 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-8.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: An esoteric language is defined as being strange. < 1312492608 402850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, just get oko to go on about how he gets paid to study esolangs. < 1312492625 95817 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) no funding 2) not done as part of schoolwork/academic work 3) no committee 4) non-commercial < 1312492630 861003 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well he would have to be HERE for that. < 1312492657 946226 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so.. esolangs can be studied >.< < 1312492668 85127 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think i am the one to define it then.. < 1312492681 925143 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am mixing esolang with indielang < 1312492689 737010 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, nah, he could bang on about it from inside a sealed metal box. < 1312492730 762815 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one case: is P'' an esolang? böhm was probably paid in some way. < 1312492753 653586 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :P'' was a thingy to prove something < 1312492769 674507 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That goto-less imperative languages can be turing complete < 1312492778 153540 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't intended as "eso", but many of those initial TC formalisms are indistinguishable from what we consider quality in an esolang < 1312492799 635932 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than mordern esolangs < 1312492800 293232 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine programming in Code 110 < 1312492801 526817 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1312492844 898040 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not < 1312492852 781822 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/code/rule/ < 1312492854 404812 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles evilly
< 1312492923 370219 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did i misspell modern < 1312492929 890388 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, imagine programming in a tag system < 1312492941 560740 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was freudian? < 1312492961 683112 :lin0mak!~chatzilla@59.164.0.45 QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 5.0/20110615151330] < 1312492963 20337 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you aspire to be like Sauron or something < 1312492994 264891 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hardly know what that is < 1312492996 20159 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : [...] 3) no committee [...] <-- objection. magenta was made by committee. also the 1.Adjudicated Blind Collaborative Design Esolang Factory, although it failed. < 1312493011 455975 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcdef < 1312493024 501097 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :one does not simply goto mordor; < 1312493033 764055 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... in which oerjan bickers about automatic copying of item numbers < 1312493044 758186 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats monqy -----###
< 1312493049 627839 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :took long enough < 1312493054 648500 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was waiting for that < 1312493061 699117 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was qwop < 1312493062 835023 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WAS PONDERING WHETHER TO SWAT OR BAN < 1312493069 360594 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwop to mordor < 1312493085 984296 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I'd do that quite easily I guess.. < 1312493116 980100 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/1359404/One+does+not+simply+QWOP+into+Mordor/ < 1312493125 467374 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the veloceraptors will get you < 1312493134 937823 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP specs say so < 1312493201 175598 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any implemented esoteric operating systems? < 1312493238 730241 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by what standard of esoteric/operating system < 1312493245 685951 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also implemented < 1312493296 763944 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An OS that could concievably have an article on the wiki is considered esoteric for this purpose < 1312493304 622842 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if all you need to do is an operating system.. then you're quite easily esoteric < 1312493326 692499 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implemented in that I could get it on a computer and boot it < 1312493350 328890 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1312493387 698889 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is an operating system < 1312493397 389216 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fair enough my definition failed < 1312493426 732194 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems to happen a lot < 1312493521 864589 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :making something sufficiently esoteric runs the risk of failing to make it an operating system < 1312493631 712821 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about making operating systems < 1312493637 944349 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1312493639 65396 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I did, I would probably do this < 1312493675 672286 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1312493696 149926 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: esolangs are similar to nomic in that whatever restrictions you try to make, _someone_ is going to try something not fitting in it :P < 1312493728 325645 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1312493731 503700 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-194.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312493894 243367 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammiit, I'm 9 years and 41 weeks of experience off becoming a "Cloud Evangelist" for Canonical < 1312493919 958010 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that even mean. < 1312493979 191079 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the guy who says "This is cool! C'mon, folks!" < 1312493991 539955 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not getting it < 1312494007 469972 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About Cloud computing < 1312494017 43131 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically with Ubuntu < 1312494055 990291 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get all the fuss over it < 1312494062 659551 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither do I < 1312494062 988403 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only some of the fuss < 1312494066 428613 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like those 20 years experience with java requirements? < 1312494076 348793 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1312494090 791025 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 years is a lot of java experience < 1312494110 370254 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess java does not fit very well as an example any longer < 1312494113 948586 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In twenty years time, I'd be 36 < 1312494142 48271 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 60 years time, I might be coming up to retirement < 1312494169 592223 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you won't find anyone doing *programming* who has that long experience of mainstream languages < 1312494183 33831 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: *whoosh* < 1312494710 518793 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't simply imagine a person with internal drive towards programming would stay away from other languages and wouldn't become able of using many other languages he'd much more prefer than java. < 1312494865 463400 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1312495336 172146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there have been cases of people rejecting one of the early Java testers (from before it was publicly released) for not having enough Java experience < 1312496038 616356 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's an eclipse plugin for Befunge developement? < 1312496118 169175 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1312496128 757262 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: He's a big quitter he is < 1312496144 174213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I just found out that Torvalds went xfce due to hating gnome 3. Calling it a step down compared to gnome 2 but a huge step up compared to gnome 3 < 1312496153 566525 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to agree completely < 1312496181 335865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, why, is it so impossible to use Gnome 2? < 1312496200 540181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, downgrading major things like gtk+ and glib is always going to be a pita < 1312496213 826994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, further, who is going to maintain gnome 2? < 1312497477 942612 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1312499027 982857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1312499091 861304 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't they say next Ubuntu (11.10) is dropping classic Gnome desktop completely, in favour of Unity (with a 2D-Unity for machines with less 3D hardware horsepower)? < 1312500006 594023 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1312500010 204630 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host < 1312500010 406534 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1312500095 740779 :cheater!~ubuntu@e179112227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, something like that. i want to see it. it'll be great, i think. < 1312500293 300264 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1312500360 455617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Um, they already did. < 1312500360 658011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1312500367 291317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1312500384 521918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus making Ubuntu completely unusable without manual installation. < 1312500591 467969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why? < 1312500598 250195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Unity *that* bad? < 1312500601 302411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1312500603 168099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really is. < 1312500618 126661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I gave an honest, complete effort to love and use it when the last Ubuntu came out. < 1312500626 584336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked past all its implementation flaws. < 1312500632 36242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really is horrendous at the core. < 1312500655 247416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horrendous != unusable. < 1312500703 110482 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone's struggled through one or two horrendous interfaces because they needed to. < 1312500787 936326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: When that interface is your /entire desktop/... < 1312500810 475229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 95's desktop is, all sincerity, more usable than Unity. < 1312500843 668155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, would a precis of why it's awful be too much to ask for@? < 1312501022 977400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, because I've summarised on here before; no, I don't remember log dates. < 1312501027 148480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe later. < 1312501526 365367 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1312502088 939356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:54:51: ^style something-else-except-that-agora-nonsense < 1312502089 946080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIEEEEE < 1312502122 972014 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, show elliott your new style. < 1312502123 210766 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he was a glitch in the accident was the kid pissed me off, was beautiful... geezzz... didn't see half of these < 1312502129 257575 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1312502129 459569 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher homestuck ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube* < 1312502132 875501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1312502134 139519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who. < 1312502137 628585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS A TRAVESTY < 1312502141 133286 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1312502141 335812 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1312502144 593383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, now do it. < 1312502144 795705 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: your sylladex will prevent it from being destroyed: 4/ 13, 1910, exactly, numskull. might as well just use that? i mean from your tree? with all your amaaaaaaaazing powers. < 1312502146 211882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What who did that. < 1312502220 726734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that was like the most stereotypical line you could possibly blurt out in that style btw < 1312502220 928825 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it. < 1312502223 814098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes. < 1312502224 16223 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: his birthday is in a few minutes. < 1312502226 35937 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it was just a glitch in the accident < 1312502226 580436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ah. < 1312502226 782517 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what, the last one. wait no, that just made you disappear" and stuff? < 1312502229 881787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes. < 1312502230 83830 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you like to chat up one of those other clowns prototyped. go me t0 break it first before moving < 1312502240 128410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: this is terrible. < 1312502246 656910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone say fungot < 1312502249 457552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, come on, there's got to be a death threat or two in there somewhere. < 1312502249 659819 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: and in time, though prone to do that < 1312502262 510607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:57:54: fungot, what is your opinion of brainfuck? < 1312502262 712795 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it possible for one of your b100d and a beating heart. you can be as good a time as any < 1312502262 712954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:57:54: itidus20: that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alon < 1312502262 914656 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: an old colonel lost, but a new brother gained. together they will ascend, each time you must be adventurin'. < 1312502263 116635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I can't wait! < 1312502263 319002 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: just as i was initially believed they were new additions. for that. busy < 1312502264 505263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES IT RETURNS < 1312502279 104163 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, we got a new one. < 1312502287 651023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott: an old colonel lost, but a new brother gained. together they will ascend, each time you must be adventurin'. < 1312502287 853598 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was a big goofy adult. seems like that's the only sort. if it were up to him we would try to be these mysterious characters but you suspect. what a royal mess of his lovely new horseleather bib. it just so happens that today, the 13th of april. another day of uneventful but highly satisfying < 1312502289 177203 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :562) elliott: an old colonel lost, but a new brother gained. together they will ascend, each time you must be adventurin'. < 1312502299 208523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like lyrics < 1312502301 776907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really bad lyrics < 1312502302 487094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hey, you gave that death threat to elliott! < 1312502302 689672 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it is a hate so pure and... pumpkin seeds? < 1312502305 432013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1312502312 844565 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, but you were meant to hate ME < 1312502313 46280 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you really wish your side. < 1312502318 573645 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I DO < 1312502318 859907 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you pick the time that happens, right. some numbers are already supplied are being cross-referenced with understandings i already was. < 1312502323 130123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Phantom_Hoover: it is a hate so pure and... pumpkin seeds? < 1312502323 333710 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your name is john. is that correct? ok, whatever it does. perhaps you will take this from the top. ve l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v l. v < 1312502324 464175 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :563) Phantom_Hoover: it is a hate so pure and... pumpkin seeds? < 1312502331 929956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :v l. v l. v l. < 1312502332 213569 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1312502344 613489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, the time I pick is NOW! < 1312502344 815780 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but it is your journey i am just as confused. you will have your questions answered, but they kind with this mutant candy-red blood. an outcast. he thinks it's about to be. someone needs to grab the beta ( 6) in the room. he briefly speaks to its strife! quota for the day. she simply returns to the land of thought and focus on the matter < 1312502365 486796 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Land of Thought and Focuss. < 1312502368 263113 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Focus < 1312502385 917282 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you so confused as to threaten to kill me? < 1312502386 119260 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: though the fact that this is apparently a bull penis, and a beating heart. you can be as good a time as any to start a new memo