00:00:57 i'll frien dyou on facebook and then you'll be super famouse like me! 00:01:16 -!- myndzi has joined. 00:01:40 newsham: omg me too 00:01:42 (i have no facebook) 00:01:51 whats facebook 00:01:56 un-zepto 00:02:10 Oh wait turns out I have an uncle who once had an article in a newspaper about his company. 00:02:23 spiffy 00:04:53 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:06:38 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 00:06:38 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Changing host). 00:06:39 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 00:07:03 "'I'm not on facebook' is the new 'I don't have a TV'" 00:07:12 fwiw, I dont use facebook either (though I do have 2 accounts) 00:07:45 once at a Berlin concert I touched the bodyguard who was carrying Terri Nunn 00:08:01 my claim to fame 00:09:05 "'I'm not on facebook' is the new 'I don't have a TV'" 00:09:08 meh, I don't bring it up 00:09:19 it's perfectly alright not to own a TV, it's just mentioning that you don't all the time that's annoying 00:09:56 i 00:10:08 i'm watching tv as we speak, but i have a high opinion of people who manage to avoid it 00:10:28 whats tv 00:10:31 newsham, turns out said uncle's company helped make the first mobile phone topup things. 00:10:46 Also I was once totally in the same room as Iain Banks. 00:11:25 why dont you come up when i google "same room as iain banks"? 00:11:32 newsham: i don't know how anyone could watch tv when they have an internets in front of them, it's like ... taking both caffeine and heroin and going "whoa, this coffee!!!!" 00:11:32 WHO KNOWS 00:11:34 that made no sense, but. 00:11:48 Phantom_Hoover: bah boring. see if your great great grandfather was involved in the first telegraph, or something. 00:11:56 elliott: the coffee happens to be Law&Order 00:11:57 the original 00:11:59 no colon! 00:12:02 his great great grandfather _was_ the first telegraph 00:12:13 newsham: why do people like police procedurals :/ 00:12:13 oerjan, unlikely, given that my family is basically all boring Irish people after a point. 00:12:35 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/The_Clang.ogg ;; put on repeat, go insane 00:12:44 Although I guess maybe one of them moved crates for Marconi when he broadcast that transatlantic signal or something. 00:12:59 elliott: did I mention, "no colon"? 00:13:12 newsham: and? :P 00:13:25 i once played sprouts with john conway. so there. 00:13:28 i'm not talking L&O:LA or SVU or anything 00:13:30 this is the real thing!@# 00:13:41 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:13:44 oerjan, I once... um... dammit. 00:13:49 i once made out with ladyada, is that worth anything? 00:14:13 newsham, depends, was it the real Ada, or some cheap imitator? 00:14:59 it was countace lovelace.. i was young and needed th emoney 00:15:02 Did you solicit a prostitute to pretend to be Ada Lovelace is basically what I am asking. 00:15:06 lord byron was pissed 00:15:11 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 00:15:12 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Changing host). 00:15:12 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 00:15:39 newsham, also you're an internet celebrity yourself, so that doesn't count. 00:16:08 yeah everyone knows the famous news ham 00:17:01 rec.arts.ham 00:17:39 newsham, you have a WP article; that's good enough for me. 00:18:03 they'll give those out to anybody 00:18:12 elliott: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070625 00:18:32 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Client Quit). 00:18:49 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 00:18:49 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Changing host). 00:18:50 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 00:19:48 My dad is offering to send me to another country away from him 00:20:00 (Sorry about the blogging) 00:20:13 that seems rather excessive 00:20:19 (what do you mean it's just passive-aggressiveness) 00:20:24 elliott, I'm wondering if I should 00:20:30 Get away from him for a while 00:20:30 elliott, yeah, it's effectively the same as getting a transfer. 00:20:30 better education???? 00:20:57 I don't know if or how education plays into it 00:21:00 dad doesnt care for proximity? 00:21:05 Sgeo: There are rather less drastic ways to get away from someone, but if he's actually seriously offering to help make that happen, then it might be the easiest... 00:21:23 Erm, should have mentioned that it's temporary 00:21:29 oh 00:21:30 Well yeah. 00:21:34 That was obvious. 00:21:41 stay away forever 00:21:53 I suggest joining a circus (note: I do not really suggest this) 00:22:25 Sgeo, *which* country. 00:22:54 another one 00:22:55 Phantom_Hoover, a choice, I think. Between England, Israel, and Australia 00:22:56 Zimbabwe. 00:23:11 You don't want to come to England. Or Israel. 00:23:14 But they don't have running water in Australia. 00:23:34 just waiting for mean reversion on those zimbabwe dollars! :) 00:23:37 Sgeo, you should totally come to Scotland. It's like England, but with worse food. 00:23:37 sure they have. i'm not sure you'll be able to catch it. 00:23:52 and better whiskey 00:23:55 What an endorsement. 00:23:56 is australian weather good this time of year 00:23:57 So you can get over your eating problems! 00:24:01 is english weather good this time of year 00:24:01 newsham: whisky. 00:24:08 * oerjan swats that e off newsham -----### 00:24:10 whisk{ey,y} 00:24:12 monqy: English weather is as good as English weather gets this time of year, i.e. not 00:24:31 "Australian weather" is a bit of a misnomer isn't it, which of the five thousand climates do you mean :P 00:24:32 I mean the pain is reduced when you can eat a single deep-fried Mars Bar and be over your recommended daily everything. 00:25:16 I wish I could take "deep-fried Mars Bar" as a serious nutritional suggestion. I wouldn't mind that being a main food source 00:25:17 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:25:19 Or some other sort of bar 00:25:22 elliott: did you miss http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070625 00:25:29 oerjan: no 00:25:32 oerjan: I couldn't think what to say 00:25:56 what is this nonsens 00:25:56 e 00:27:06 monqy: which nonsense? 00:27:14 that nonsense 00:27:18 is there more than one 00:27:23 always 00:32:23 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 00:32:23 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Changing host). 00:32:23 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 00:34:04 you know what sucks 00:34:13 vacuum! 00:34:15 data AnteValue ref = AnteNil 00:34:15 | AnteSymbol !String 00:34:16 | AnteInt !Integer 00:34:16 | AntePrim !Prim 00:34:16 | AntePair !(ref (AnteValue ref)) !(ref (AnteValue ref)) 00:34:16 | AnteEnv !(Env ref) 00:34:18 I can't write 00:34:30 copy :: (Ref a, Ref b) => AnteValue a -> IO (AnteValue b) 00:34:31 copy (AntePair car cdr) = ... 00:34:31 obviously 00:34:34 copy (AnteEnv e) = ... 00:34:36 copy x = return x 00:34:39 because the types don't match for the last line 00:34:49 so I have to write four boring copiers 00:35:46 :t Map.foldWithKey 00:35:46 Couldn't find qualified module. 00:35:48 :t Data.Map.foldWithKey 00:35:49 forall k a b. (k -> a -> b -> b) -> b -> M.Map k a -> b 00:35:59 elliott: some kind of GADT maybe? 00:36:03 :t Data.Map.foldWithKey (\k a m -> liftM3 Data.Map.insert (copy k) (return a) m) (return Map.empty) 00:36:04 Couldn't find qualified module. 00:36:07 :t Data.Map.foldWithKey (\k a m -> liftM3 Data.Map.insert (copy k) (return a) m) (return Data.Map.empty) 00:36:08 Not in scope: `copy' 00:36:12 :t Data.Map.foldWithKey (\k a m -> liftM3 Data.Map.insert (?copy k) (return a) m) (return Data.Map.empty) 00:36:13 forall k (m :: * -> *) k1 a. (Ord k1, ?copy::k -> m k1, Monad m) => M.Map k a -> m (M.Map k1 a) 00:36:31 oh wait 00:36:31 duh 00:36:47 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:37:15 :t Data.Map.foldWithKey (\k a m -> liftM2 (Data.Map.insert k) (?copy a) m) (return Data.Map.empty) 00:37:16 forall a (m :: * -> *) k a1. (Ord k, ?copy::a -> m a1, Monad m) => M.Map k a -> m (M.Map k a1) 00:38:48 ?pl sequence [return x, copy f] 00:38:49 sequence [return x, copy f] 00:38:54 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 00:39:22 :t liftM2 (:) (return ?x) (return `fmap` copy ?y) 00:39:23 Not in scope: `copy' 00:39:24 :t liftM2 (:) (return ?x) (return `fmap` ?copy ?y) 00:39:25 forall a1 (m :: * -> *) t. (?x::a1, Monad m, ?copy::t -> m a1, ?y::t, Functor m) => m [a1] 00:39:32 :t \x y -> liftM2 (:) (return x) (return `fmap` ?copy y) 00:39:33 forall a1 (m :: * -> *) t. (Monad m, ?copy::t -> m a1, Functor m) => a1 -> t -> m [a1] 00:39:43 ?pl liftM2 (:) (return x) (return `fmap` ?copy y) 00:39:43 (line 1, column 38): 00:39:43 unexpected "?" 00:39:43 expecting space or simple term 00:39:48 ?pl \x y -> liftM2 (:) (return x) (return `fmap` copy y) 00:39:48 (. ((return `fmap`) . copy)) . fmap . (:) 00:39:51 ?pl \y -> liftM2 (:) (return x) (return `fmap` copy y) 00:39:52 ((x :) `fmap`) . (return `fmap`) . copy 00:39:55 ?pl liftM2 (:) (return x) (return `fmap` copy y) 00:39:55 (x :) `fmap` (return `fmap` copy y) 00:40:20 can i friend you on oercut, elliott? 00:40:39 oercut? ...orkut? 00:41:03 oercut, my cutting edge site 00:41:13 sharp 00:41:48 :t sequence 00:41:49 forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => [m a] -> m [a] 00:42:00 beta invites is such a clever marketting scheme for google 00:42:13 i kinda wanna be on google+, and I hate social networking sites 00:42:43 newsham, I want to be on Google+, but they don't let under-18s on. 00:43:14 wait, a social networking site that excludes people under 18? 00:43:14 elliott had the prescience to lie about his age, but I foolishly associated my real age with my YouTube account ages ago and it's stuck now. 00:43:18 how is that gonna work 00:43:23 It's an initial legal thing. 00:43:27 :t Data.Map.foldlWithKey 00:43:27 forall b k a. (b -> k -> a -> b) -> b -> M.Map k a -> b 00:45:01 monqy: http://sprunge.us/Gghf 00:45:08 monqy: this is much nicer than before 00:45:13 monqy: no unsafeness whatsoever 00:45:16 longer too 00:45:35 does it work 00:45:35 monqy: well it grew before this :P 00:45:51 monqy: the only added code is the Ref typeclass and copy + uses, pretty much 00:45:52 and yes, it does 00:45:57 now I can write the reader 00:50:18 *Main> freeze code 00:50:19 AntePair (ID {unID = AnteSymbol "eval"}) (ID {unID = AntePair (ID {unID = AnteEnv (Env (ID {unID = fromList [(AnteSymbol "eval",AntePrim )]}) NullEnv)}) (ID {unID = AntePair (ID {unID = AnteSymbol "eval"}) (ID {unID = AnteNil})})}) 00:50:19 good 00:50:43 AntePair (ID (AnteSymbol "eval")) (ID (AntePair (ID (AnteEnv (Env (ID (fromList [(AnteSymbol "eval",AntePrim )])) NullEnv))) (ID (AntePair (ID (AnteSymbol "eval")) (ID AnteNil))))) 00:50:43 better 01:19:10 monqy we have neglected booleans 01:21:27 i guess if integers deserve language membership booleans do too 01:21:56 monqy: maybe i should just use symbols 01:22:01 monqy: maybe numbers should just be symbols too 01:22:09 maybe everything should be a symb- HELLOOOOOOO TCL 01:22:23 symbols or functions or environments 01:22:28 or lists????????? 01:30:57 symbols, lists, and numbers 01:31:08 what 01:31:22 Oh, remind me to read context next time. But just thinking of Picolisp 01:33:12 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:36:32 http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/ig4qb/results_from_the_rmath_survey/c23ihcq?context=1 XD 01:42:41 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 01:55:03 *Main> test 01:55:03 x 01:55:03 *** Exception: AnteException (AntePair (ID (AnteSymbol "unbound-name")) (ID (AntePair (ID (AnteInt 120)) (ID AnteNil)))) 01:55:05 monqy: excellent 01:55:25 that's it failing to find a readtable entry for 'x', btw, not it failing to look up the name x 01:57:00 what's that 120 01:58:20 monqy: ascii 'x' 01:58:25 well unicode 'x' 01:58:48 oh it's not a symbol? 01:58:58 yeah 01:59:06 and what's with it being in a pair with nil 01:59:28 or is that a list 02:01:13 monqy: list, yeah 02:01:21 it's (unbound-name 120) 02:07:41 Hello world!!! = ) You stumbled in my page? are you serious? are you a cute girl? = ) 02:07:42 --http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fuwikepedia 02:09:28 monqy: i don't think lisp is a zero-lookahead language :( 02:09:42 who handcodes parsers 02:11:50 monqy: readtables, man 02:11:59 monqy: EXTENSIBLE SYNTAX 02:12:00 it's zepto 02:12:08 oh 02:12:12 zepto 02:13:35 (def (get-char p) ((p 'get-char))) ;; this leaves something to be desired 02:13:48 I guess I could have some sugar like (def (get-char p) (p.get-char)) but still 02:14:02 It would be nice if it didn't need declaring at all 02:16:59 monqy: oh i actually do need a buffer of some kind 02:17:24 any kind in particular? 02:21:14 as for the get-char thing my solution would be either not to have it as a function or do something bizarre to make explicit definition unnecessary (not vague at all) 02:22:39 monqy: technically i only need a one-char buffer 02:22:41 that seems... gross, though 02:22:45 I should have an arbitrary-length one 02:24:22 how will syntax extension work 02:28:44 monqy: i don't think lisp is a zero-lookahead language :( <-- i think you can tweak the grammar so it is, though 02:29:28 ending a (...) is obviously zero-lookahead 02:31:05 oerjan: it's not 02:31:23 why not 02:31:24 get char -> is it a )? end the list; is it a .? ok, then it's a dotted ending; or we just used up the first character of the object we want to read 02:31:25 "fuck" 02:31:56 you have not tweaked the grammar :P 02:32:32 list ::= "(" rest-list 02:33:12 oerjan: well if you're constrained to readtable form... 02:33:28 hm wait... 02:33:42 ok, if every readtable function gets the character it was triggered with 02:33:49 oh wait it doesn't even need to be 02:33:52 ok it is zero lookahead 02:33:53 I think 02:33:57 elliott, did we ever play the Birds map? 02:33:59 I think we did 02:34:01 Sgeo: whuh? 02:34:26 elliott, the hard map for Tube Trap 02:35:54 oh 02:35:57 we played the hardest one, yes 02:35:58 yeah that one 02:36:38 -!- elliott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:36:42 -!- elliott_ has joined. 02:36:48 * elliott_ is up for a W:A game, btw 02:36:52 just remembered it existed :D 02:37:12 Um, does my mentioning its existence count as "just"? 02:37:21 what? 02:37:36 You said you just remembered it existed right after I reminded you 02:37:45 yeah 02:37:47 that reminded me 02:38:06 Not now, I want to watch some Doctor Who 02:38:13 But soon, as in in some days maybe 02:39:11 That's a strange definition of soon 02:42:48 * Sgeo waits while his font cache is rebuilt. 02:43:27 I have no idea why a font cache should need to be rebuilt in order to watch a video 02:43:34 I remember seeing something about it thought 02:44:55 oerjan: oh noi think i need language extneiosna s :( 02:45:08 Found an article about disabling it, not sure I should trust the author, but it makes sense 02:45:14 what video player 02:45:15 and link 02:45:21 http://techdows.com/2010/12/disable-building-font-cache.html 02:45:22 VLC 02:45:33 OH NO THE OWNER OF TECHDOWS IS A VIRUS WRITER DUDE 02:45:53 I think I may be stereotyping :( 02:46:42 Sgeo: stereotyping what 02:47:03 Based on the English failures :( 02:53:06 00:55:56 When I was 11 years old I visited Neverland Ranch for 3 days and had a ball with Michael Jackson. We would go gokarting around sipping jesus juice and cuddling. My favorite moment was when we climbed a tree, and he pulled off my shorts and underoos to stick his nice hot nigger dick into my ass while I grabbed a giraffe's head by the horns to felate me! 02:53:07 a day in #haskell 02:53:59 -!- elliott_ has changed nick to elliott. 02:54:09 -!- elliott has quit (Changing host). 02:54:09 -!- elliott has joined. 02:54:35 elliott: i take it he's not a regular 02:55:02 :D 02:55:03 you don't say 02:57:30 eek spam 03:15:32 so now michael jackson's black again? 03:17:13 Is a ++ b ++ c processed as (a ++ b) ++ c or a ++ (b ++ c)? (Yes, I know they are the same due to the rules of monoids, but this makes a difference in execution time due to the nature of linked lists) 03:17:19 don't the two have identical performance due to laziness 03:17:23 gotta ask here so i don't look like an idiot :D 03:17:31 no. 03:17:45 oh 03:17:49 when they're forced wont the times be diff? 03:18:08 a ++ (b ++ c) only traverses a once, while (a ++ b) ++ c does it twice, conceptually. 03:18:53 oh right 03:18:55 this is sort of why why ShowS exists. 03:18:57 *-why 03:24:50 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 03:41:29 -!- azaq23 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 03:44:57 -!- azaq23 has joined. 04:22:40 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:27:00 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 04:38:22 Friend decided to try a supposed hacking tool to get back into his email address 04:38:47 I try the tool, give it a mailinator address, and ... it returns a hash 04:39:22 link 04:40:09 "get back into his email address" how does one get back into an address what 04:40:29 http://www.learntohack.co.uk/ 04:40:35 promising url 04:40:41 quality site design 04:40:45 looks legitimate 04:41:22 wow this video 04:43:04 I just realized "hacking" by this POS into an example.com address would have been funnier 04:43:28 i like how it's called learntohack.co.uk and there is no learning it is just what 04:44:34 "Your email selbri@example.com is invalid or has been banned." 04:44:50 lol 04:45:09 Wait, that's the "real" email it asked for, not the one I tried to "hack" into 04:45:29 i do not like this site 04:45:32 im staying away from it 04:46:14 Now that I changed my "real" email address, it's going through, hacking "sumti@example.com" 04:47:19 "Hacking process completed 04:47:19 Example.com Account: sumti@example.com 04:47:19 MD5 Hash Password found: 04:47:19 0bcdf471234c4ed69707aca9ab859e0e" 04:48:05 now get the real password 04:48:14 and ruin sumti@example.com's life 05:11:39 Certainly it's worth the 90 €. 05:17:24 does it just hash the email 05:19:33 yes, but using only the finest salt. 05:19:36 genuine maldon. 05:20:11 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 05:20:18 i love slat, it is the best 05:20:19 salt 05:20:37 how ionic 05:20:50 too much salt makes things yucky 05:20:56 real yucky 05:21:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGjcuFzSkqE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yOLKotyDBY <-- i was profoundly affected by this work of art, namely in that it made me want to put salt on everything for the remainder of the month 05:22:04 you wacky americans and your wacky tv shows 05:22:09 so... wacky 05:23:31 this wacky american tv show is so wacky 05:24:19 wow im dying 05:25:11 you should not have juggled knives while chatting on irc 05:26:00 monqy: it's great i love it 05:27:28 "marshmallow...y...ness of the marshmallow" good quotes 05:28:20 monqy: he ends up arguing with mary poppins later i want to know who caused this show to come into being and hug them 05:29:10 missy puffinstuff 05:32:01 monqy: he makes like peanut maple bacon later :( 05:32:07 its so nice ive forgotten what it actually is 05:32:40 right now hes using a ruler to make papercraft 05:33:10 oh god i forgot the toffee he means 05:33:11 with soy sauce 05:33:16 makes 05:33:18 nt means 05:33:21 oh god 05:33:26 it looks delicious 05:33:28 trust me 05:33:29 :< 05:33:48 -!- aloril has joined. 05:35:32 adding soy sauce now 05:36:18 "invented after French sometime after fire, but before the plane" 05:37:02 edible bling 05:39:08 wow did he grow another arm 05:39:13 what 05:39:28 god this caramel looks so lovely in the pan 05:39:30 i want to lick it 05:39:35 how was he holding the knife and the scissors and the pizza cutter 05:39:47 yess break down those glucose and fructose 05:39:54 i don't want them to be atoms any more 05:39:56 caramel plasma 05:41:48 monqy: i love how much of a salt nerd eh is 05:41:52 i dont know what all these salts are 05:41:56 edible 05:41:56 [asterisk]he 05:41:57 bling 05:42:09 sugar that bacon 05:43:00 smoked sea salt mmmm 05:43:46 lol at three and a half hours 05:43:49 for the edible bling 05:44:15 monqy: yes i can confirm he grew another arm 05:44:29 god these look delicious 05:46:22 what do americans consider thick cut bacon 05:46:26 it looks not very thick 05:47:29 "pat it down lightly; don't pat, just give it a pat" 05:47:52 monqy: god on top of ice cream yes 05:48:01 :( 05:48:04 food shows are bad 05:48:12 they make me want to eat more things than people can eat 05:56:11 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:56:52 -!- Lymia has joined. 06:03:45 -!- elliott_ has joined. 06:03:57 -!- elliott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:05:05 "Luke, this is Bruce from the FPUG. I really like your idea. It’s very similar to mine, except that I have been working on it full-time for many years and I am putting on the final touches. I know that if I met someone who was almost done with what I was just starting I would have a lot of strong feelings about having my idea and motivation stolen. (Then I’d get over it:) ) The thing is, it was MUCH harder than I ever thought it would be and I had 06:05:05 to learn and invent a lot of mathematics. I also found some really cool things that will totally change the way we interact with computers; e.g., an almost perfect map from the mathematical model of information to natural languages. I also found that what I was doing was really discovery and that there is very close to one way to do it." 06:05:10 hehehe 06:05:14 random blog comments are great 06:05:18 why do i even have this tab open 06:05:22 dunno where it came from 06:06:10 "an almost perfect map from the mathematical model of information to natural languages 06:06:24 http://theslipstream.net/drupal1/sites/default/files/garland_logo.png what the fuck 06:06:27 my crackpot sense is tingling... 06:06:32 oerjan: why do you think i quoted it :D 06:06:42 last time i heard something like that it was vortex math 06:06:44 http://theslipstream.net/drupal1/sites/default/files/garland_logo.png <-- this is the logo of their...thing 06:06:52 Imagine being able to access your documents, files, and applications from anywhere in the world, on any device, at any time. 06:06:52 Imagine customizing your every computer screen according to your needs. 06:06:52 Imagine sharing knowledge at lightning speed and becoming an authority in an information community. 06:06:52 Imagine a world where you are always in control of your personal information. 06:06:52 Imagine a world where medical cures are researched, discovered, and put to market within six months. 06:06:54 Imagine a world where political decisions are made by reason rather than shouting matches at the nearest town hall. 06:07:06 it's going to literally cure disease and politics 06:07:29 wowee 06:07:39 sign everybody up this isntant 06:10:30 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:11:09 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 06:11:34 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:11:47 -!- monqy has quit (Disconnected by services). 06:11:49 -!- monqy_ has joined. 06:11:54 -!- monqy_ has changed nick to monqy. 06:12:36 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 06:13:38 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:14:51 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 06:18:18 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:18:50 -!- sebbu has joined. 06:18:50 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 06:18:50 -!- sebbu has joined. 06:19:36 monqy: http://www.scribd.com/doc/40697621/Mathematics-Ends-in-Meaninglessness-ie-self-contradiction 06:19:59 all the best papers site mathsisfun.com 06:20:17 2)The Australian leading erotic poet philosopher colin leslie dean points out1+1=1 06:20:17 06:20:17 get a salt shaker 06:20:30 i can prove that aliens exist 06:20:39 AUSTRALIAS LEADING EROTIC POET COLIN LESLIE DEAN 06:20:44 06:20:45 This paper is a case study in regard to the view that all views collapse intomeaninglessness or absurdity or self contradiction. 06:20:46 BeedaWeeda: orly 06:20:49 wtf kind of view is this 06:20:55 yes 06:21:00 monqy: an self-contradictory one 06:21:01 OH THE IRONY 06:21:03 BeedaWeeda: go on 06:21:04 ohohoho 06:21:06 hold on 06:21:08 ok 06:21:10 im holding 06:21:11 im getting the picture 06:21:12 what if its just absurd 06:21:19 or meaningless 06:21:31 Mathematic is noexception Mathematics has many paradoxes which show mathematics ends inmeaninglessness 06:21:45 mathematics: a view???? 06:22:02 * BeedaWeeda internet is really slow 06:22:15 monqy: Reality has paradoxes, so reality ends in meaninglessness. 06:22:18 >:D 06:22:43 BeedaWeeda: do you mean to prove that alien life exists, or that alien life forms have visited Earth 06:22:47 i like these reasons 06:22:54 ) 06:22:55 x can = 1 and .999[bar] at the same time or in other words1=.999[bar]-to infinity ie a finite number = an infinite number- acontradictions in terms 06:22:59 1+1=1 06:23:03 MATHEMATICS JUST AD HOC ARBITRARILY DEFINESAWAY THE SELF-CONTRADICTIONS IN MATHEMATICS IETHE AXIOM OF SEPARATION –which is impredicative and thusinvalid 06:23:07 whoa calm down 06:23:19 MATHEMATICS IS NOT THE LANGUAGE OFTHE UNIVERSE as it is mathematics is just abunch of meaningless symbols connected byrules 06:23:21 elliott_: Both would be fairly interesting. 06:23:23 it got bigger 06:23:34 pikhq_: the former can be proved: whoops probability qed 06:23:35 (though only one would be *surprising*) 06:23:43 so uh 06:23:47 is this paper thing 06:23:50 a joke i hope 06:23:54 elliott_: If the universe is finite, then there's a chance there exists no alien life. 06:23:55 i dont think so 06:23:56 -!- cheater_ has joined. 06:24:04 elliot: aliens have visited earth but i cant prove it, i can only prove they exist 06:24:08 BeedaWeeda: ok, go on 06:24:13 Though it would be more surprising for that to be the case than for there to be aliens. 06:24:34 http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/9702/deep_hst_big.jpg 06:24:35 there 06:24:43 that is absolutely proof of extra terrestrials 06:24:45 wow, it's from nasa too, i can believe that 06:24:49 BeedaWeeda: ok can you point to the alien in that image? 06:24:56 its right over there 06:24:58 cant you see it 06:24:59 you will need to use your logic 06:25:13 can you grasp that photograph 06:25:30 that is over 1,000 galaxies 06:25:42 each one has hundreds of trillions of stars 06:25:44 BeedaWeeda: ok: is the proof: There are a huge number of galaxies which are all immensely large in themselves and contain countless numbers of planets; it is absurd to suppose that none of them would have any extraterrestrial life; therefore extraterrestrial life exists? 06:25:54 yes 06:25:55 absolutely 06:25:59 I can accept that, it's obviously not a formal proof but it basically works out 06:26:08 BeedaWeeda: So, you suppose that some of these extraterrestrials have developed faster-than-light travel? 06:26:14 That is the only way they could have visited Earth. 06:26:20 yes 06:26:33 I'm not *quite* willing to accept that, but I'm willing to accept that there's something like a 99.9% chance that there's extraterrestrial life. So, no *notable* argument from me. :P 06:26:47 theres probably a shitload of life within our own galaxy 06:27:01 BeedaWeeda: Why do you believe this? i.e., why do you not instead believe that extraterrestrials have not visited earth, and faster-than-light travel is impossible, as all current physical theories state? 06:27:13 Is it because you have evidence of extraterrestrials visiting Earth? 06:27:14 because 06:27:17 science is primitive 06:27:34 I'm not sure I understand; I'm interested to know what you mean. 06:27:36 we dont really know 06:27:43 well think about it 06:27:47 ... Is your argument "science is primitive therefore aliens", or is there something I'm missing? 06:27:50 how long has science really been around 06:27:55 BeedaWeeda: do you have an objection to the scientific method? 06:28:01 i.e., do you believe it is not an effective way of figuring things out? 06:28:09 or do you just object to current scientific theories? 06:28:14 yes 06:28:19 if so, do you believe that current scientific theories were not developed correctly according to the scientific method? 06:28:50 you are asking too many questions my friend 06:28:58 what 06:29:03 BeedaWeeda: I'm just trying to understand 06:29:12 I don't believe what you believe, but if I ask you questions, 06:29:23 then I can get information about what you believe; and if I think you're convincing, then I could start believing it. 06:29:25 i think science has a lot of dogma 06:29:29 I'm just trying to expand my worldview. 06:29:44 Can I ask another question?: Do you think I've been asking the wrong questions/bad questions? 06:29:48 no 06:29:54 just too fast for me to keep up 06:29:54 OK. 06:30:01 Sorry then. 06:30:03 in what way does science "have" dogma 06:30:27 science is dogma in a lot of ways 06:30:34 ok 06:30:37 BeedaWeeda: ok, here's a simpler question: Why do you believe aliens have visited earth? 06:31:01 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 06:31:01 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Changing host). 06:31:01 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 06:31:12 ufo reports have clearly documented them for the past 60 years 06:31:21 heh 06:31:25 it is clearly 06:31:30 a huge sort of, open secret 06:31:35 BeedaWeeda: do you know what this channel is about, btw? 06:31:42 How does that demonstrate aliens have visited earth? There are many things those could be. 06:31:48 like what? 06:32:01 humans are probably flying them too 06:32:04 BeedaWeeda: oh, wait: did Cocytus send you here? 06:32:09 they did recover crashed discs after all 06:32:20 Hallucinations, military secrets, hoaxes, etc. 06:32:23 wasn't beedaweeda here a few days ago too or was it yesterday or am I confusing him with someone else 06:32:30 the airforce said it themselves after the roswell incident 06:32:38 they quickly changed their story of course 06:32:50 Of course, we can't immediately *rule out* aliens, but it's not the only possible, or even probable, answer. 06:32:50 BeedaWeeda: do you know what this channel is for? just a question 06:33:01 no 06:33:08 BeedaWeeda: programming 06:33:12 lol 06:33:34 freenode is mostly about open source stuff, so you're unlikely to find a relevant channel on this network 06:33:35 i thought this was a kind of occult/paranormal/metaphysics chatroom 06:33:47 =( 06:34:01 did you know 06:34:10 did i nkow what? 06:34:10 you're not the first to think that. 06:34:16 in certain megalithic structures around the world 06:34:19 they find tool marks 06:34:27 making perfect incisions 06:34:33 and drilled holes 06:34:34 did the airforce say that 06:34:39 in megalithic structures 06:34:40 so um 06:34:46 that are like 10,000 years old 06:34:47 did they have electric drills is this what you're saying 06:35:09 they probably had something better than that 06:35:30 mind lasers 06:36:10 do a little research on this place called puma punku 06:36:22 the megaliths found there are freakin huge 06:36:31 and they interlock together like a puzzle 06:36:36 so? 06:36:39 old people had brains, too. 06:36:44 you don't say 06:36:53 some of them way up to 1,000 tons 06:36:55 you mean to tell me people of this time period were moving those!? 06:37:03 have you heard of ropes and stuff 06:37:07 with freakin logs and ropes 06:37:08 pulley type things 06:37:14 its called slave labour 06:37:16 BeedaWeeda: Moving large objects is actually nowhere near as hard as you think. 06:37:34 Only takes a single clever man and some carpentry to pull off, TBH. 06:38:19 some of the megaliths are so perfectly and precisely carved that modern engineers have come forth saying they couldn't even replicate it if they tried 06:38:32 BeedaWeeda: yeah but 06:38:34 there are millions of engineers 06:38:40 and a lot of them believe really stupid stuff 06:38:54 Now, the *cutting* of the structures at Pumapunku is more impressive, and I can't say I have any particular explanation for how that happened. 06:38:59 unless they're experts in their field, "an engineer" saying something means very little 06:39:06 "this engineer is so stupid he couldn't even make a megalith" 06:39:18 Though it must be said, my not having an explanation does not imply that any explanation someone comes up with must be true. 06:39:37 no it means mind lasers 06:39:44 but anyway, whatever the reason is for whatever mysteries of construction remain, there is undoubtedly a simpler answer than "all of our current physics is totally incorrect, and intelligent extraterrestrials built ancient structures" 06:39:49 And zombie Jews. 06:39:56 because "ancient humans built it with this tool or method we forgot about" is WAY simpler than that 06:40:53 mind the lasers, or you may get cut 06:41:28 you clearly 06:41:31 havent researched the field 06:41:34 elliott 06:41:43 i think your speaking out of ignorance 06:42:07 BeedaWeeda: and _i_ think you're a gullible idiot. 06:42:16 sorry, i tried to humour you, but you couldn't justify a single thing to me. 06:42:23 and you are boring too :( 06:42:24 -!- aloril has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 06:42:29 :( 06:42:55 do you believe in the bible elliott? 06:43:01 haha. no. 06:43:37 oh, so you have activated some of your logic, is that what your telling me? 06:43:43 what 06:43:55 I've activated my logic beams and they're cutting perfect holes into megalithic structures. 06:44:02 Sorry if you get caught in the blast. 06:44:08 BeedaWeeda: I'll make this easy for you. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." You have extraordinary claims. Where is your extraordinary evidence? 06:44:09 look at the pictures yourself 06:44:32 those pictures just dont say "mind lasers" to me 06:44:33 anyway, this is off-topic 06:44:39 elliott_: We always are. :P 06:44:45 pikhq_: SSHHHHH 06:45:50 what mind lasers? did i say that or are you making things up? 06:45:58 I DECREE THIS CONVERSATION TO BE NO WEIRDER THAN WHAT WE USUALLY TALK ABOUT 06:46:31 BeedaWeeda: You've basically rejected logic by calling anyone who asks questions that conform to a logical structure of debate closed-minded and ignorant, and telling us instead to basically just decide you're right based on unfounded claims and pictures. 06:46:47 BeedaWeeda: Since you're not being reasonable, we don't have to be either. 06:46:55 You've forfeited your right to a logical debate. 06:47:35 oerjan: Nothing is weird. 06:48:10 UFO's have been documented for hundreds of years, and im not being reasonable or logical by suggesting that aliens are and have been visiting us for a long time? 06:48:34 BeedaWeeda: The documentation of UFOs does not imply there must be aliens. 06:48:37 BeedaWeeda: Those stories are widely regarded by experts to be untrue. 06:48:41 i showed a picture of 1,000 galaxies with quadrillions of stars and suggest that alien life exists, and thats not logical or reasonable? 06:48:46 You didn't provide evidence otherwise or give a reason for dismissing those judgements. 06:48:50 elliott_: experts who havent researched the field 06:48:50 BeedaWeeda: It implies something unknown. 06:48:54 elliott_: (clearly) 06:49:01 BeedaWeeda: Besides, your claims about the megaliths are more important. 06:49:02 BeedaWeeda: When something is unknown, you don't get to fill in the gaps with whatever you feel like. 06:49:06 BeedaWeeda: You haven't justified those at all. 06:49:29 excuse me elliott, im not doing your research for YOU, go research it yourself instead of harping on me to educate you 06:49:40 BeedaWeeda: If you're not trying to educate me, then... go away? 06:49:45 You're the one who said you could prove that aliens existed. 06:49:56 You're the one who then went off on a tangent about UFOs visiting earth. 06:50:01 elliott_: I did actually look into that specific megalith a bit. Pumapunku exhibits some fairly impressive stoneworking. 06:50:10 You are the one who initiated this, so you can't exactly complain that I'm not doing my research. 06:50:23 clearly you havent 06:50:28 you probably believe everything the media tells you 06:50:29 eat your dogma 06:50:30 good boy 06:50:31 what 06:50:32 i 06:50:32 lol 06:50:38 laughing 06:50:38 yes i watch fox news every day 06:50:43 they let me know about the threats to my great country 06:50:48 BeedaWeeda: *Ahahahah*. You think we believe everything the media tells you? Not even slightly. 06:50:51 you probably do 06:50:55 BeedaWeeda: We believe what can be shown by evidence. 06:51:02 BeedaWeeda: im glad that you believe that anyone who disagrees with you on a single thing, must necessarily be a complete sheep 06:51:05 so everyone is either a clone of you 06:51:06 or a sheep 06:51:08 which is great 06:51:14 because it means you never have to take anyone seriously who says you're full of shit 06:51:19 you are a boring idiot go away 06:51:25 (which, incidentally, *is* science.) 06:51:34 pikhq_: you might not want to speak for everyone in the channel. 06:51:43 elliott_: Okay, okay, s/we/I/ 06:51:52 science is (big rocks => mind lasers) shoo 06:52:09 Big Rocks, Mind Lasers -- good album title 06:52:21 elliott, only some fucking moron like you could turn a calm and peaceful discussion into some ridiculous argument like this 06:52:31 welcome to esoteric 06:52:35 home of fucking morons 06:52:40 thanks 06:52:45 BeedaWeeda: Evidence. Do you have it? 06:52:49 eliott has CLEARLY demonstrated that 06:52:51 BeedaWeeda: you realise ive just been doing this for entertainment from the start 06:53:02 BeedaWeeda: Anyway: I was completely civil from you until the moment where you stopped answering my questions and just called me ignorant. 06:53:07 You threw the first stone. 06:53:17 -!- BeedaWeeda has left. 06:53:18 civil with you 06:53:20 bye 06:53:20 ah good 06:53:44 have i upset you i'm sorry 06:53:52 maybe he'll be entertaining now 06:54:04 oerjan cant ban me for this because its not in channel mwa ha ha ha ha 06:54:12 It's amusing how utterly foreign science seems to be for people. 06:54:21 wat 06:54:31 oerjan: im trying to antagonise em in /msg 06:54:39 elliott_........ 06:54:45 what 06:54:52 harrassments not cool 8( 06:54:55 I mean, you'd think "Believe that which can be shown by evidence" wouldn't be hard, but... Holy fuck people. 06:54:57 have i upset you i'm sorry 06:55:01 monqy: thats not harassment 06:55:03 oh ok 06:55:05 thats niceness :( 06:55:08 :( 06:55:19 im going to code more ante-zepto now its good and nice 06:56:00 monqy: oh hey i could hmm 06:57:48 -!- aloril has joined. 06:58:50 -!- oerjan has set topic: Do not feed the elliotts | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 06:59:04 oerjan............ 06:59:07 we were keeping that topic............ 06:59:10 zzo set it and it was amazing..... 06:59:13 we've had it for weeks.... 06:59:50 sorry, i needed to include an important safety message 07:01:02 ALSO NO ONE TOLD ME 07:01:11 oerjan give me some bacon 07:01:28 * oerjan gives elliott_ some bacon ===\__/ 07:01:30 whoops 07:01:32 thx 07:01:35 straight from the pan 07:02:19 "Unlike Heidegger, the Ancient Egyptians were normal people who had normal thoughts." 07:02:51 sounds obvious when you put it that way 07:03:43 normal? they were Ancient Egyptians, they should have ancient thoughts - in egyptian! 07:03:52 they had mind lasers 07:05:43 oerjan: do you think i upset beedaweeda 07:05:48 :( 07:05:58 i will have to track them down in real life and say sorry with a big hammer 07:10:26 oerjan: did you know that carpal tunnel is now illegal 07:10:41 elliott_: um yes you did 07:10:51 ic 07:11:00 oerjan: no, they upset themselves :D 07:11:18 it takes two to tango 07:11:20 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:11:32 yeah well 07:11:35 hes a poopy head 07:11:36 qed 07:18:58 monqy: ante-zepto is almost three hundred lines : O 07:19:09 are they good lines 07:19:58 yes. 07:20:01 "Once you understand Monads, I think you have made the transition from a beginner haskell programmer to an intermediate haskeller." oh my god what is this shit 07:20:18 what is that shit 07:21:14 Funny, I thought understanding Monads was a trivial exercise. :P 07:22:35 /home/elliott/Code/ante: 07:22:35 total used in directory 28 available 67807276 07:22:35 drwxr-xr-x 2 elliott elliott 4096 2011-07-05 08:17 . 07:22:35 drwxr-xr-x 55 elliott elliott 4096 2011-07-05 04:11 .. 07:22:35 -rw-r--r-- 1 elliott elliott 5982 2011-07-04 10:04 ante.greatawesomegoodyes.hs 07:22:37 -rw-r--r-- 1 elliott elliott 9436 2011-07-05 08:17 ante.yesthebestfuckinganteeverfuckingyessedsozeptoohmygodyouhavenoidea.hs 07:22:40 i have good filenames 07:22:54 im considering... splutting it... into maltiple... fules.... 07:23:46 if you read about monads before having a clue, you'd be likely to conclude that they are really scary and require loads of work to understand 07:23:58 wait you don't have to capitalize module file names? 07:24:17 oerjan: you can name haskell files whatever you want. 07:24:24 "import Foo.Bar" will look at Foo/Bar.hs, though. 07:27:01 monqy: oh god no i cant split it up 07:27:03 its not read 07:27:03 y 07:27:05 not right 07:27:07 :( 07:27:17 i must complete the reader 07:39:22 monqy should i sleep or code zepto and eat bacon 07:39:31 -!- Lymia has changed nick to Lymee. 07:39:32 is it sugared bacon 07:39:37 no 07:39:39 :( 07:39:41 :( 07:41:11 going to cry -> 07:44:29 monqy: im not sure if i can zepto any more 07:44:40 maybe i'll have some bacon while sleeping... 07:44:51 dont choke on it 07:44:59 that might be bad???? 07:45:24 ok 07:45:40 hm, sweet and sour bacon 07:46:03 ok im going to try and find bacon or sleep 07:46:23 too find out watch thing is true....... buy the shirt? 07:59:20 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 08:34:05 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 08:47:17 -!- Vorpal has joined. 08:51:00 -!- foocraft_ has joined. 08:51:18 -!- foocraft has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:57:02 -!- foocraft_ has changed nick to foocraft. 09:24:45 -!- ais523_ has joined. 09:27:48 -!- ais523 has joined. 09:34:31 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:34:53 -!- ais523 has joined. 10:20:05 -!- falso___ has joined. 10:20:07 Hi sirs! 10:20:24 just to tell that i have released a IDE form Brainfuck for OSX 10:20:27 for 10:20:55 hmm, the world needs more esolang IDEs 10:20:59 even if they are all for BF 10:21:42 next stop: create one for malbolge 10:21:50 http://blol.org/1742-brainfucker 10:22:03 doesnt support INPUT yet, just OUTPUT 10:22:21 its also open sores 10:22:40 `addquote < falso___> its also open sores 10:22:41 481) < falso___> its also open sores 10:22:47 -!- cheater_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 10:22:57 yap, i always say open sores instead of open source 10:23:02 because that just what it is :-P 10:23:03 ais523: hmm... do you think it needs more context? 10:23:10 nah, it's fine as it is 10:25:05 -!- cheater_ has joined. 10:25:21 we need a befunge IDE 10:25:28 They exist 10:25:29 They suck 10:27:10 lol 10:27:11 in that case, we need a decent befunge IDE 10:27:30 im strill trying to understand how that 99 bottles of beer in malbolge was done 10:27:31 still 10:27:41 i wanted to make a simpler algorithm 10:27:54 I've started some very minimal work on one twice but never got anywhere 10:27:55 but dont know how to start..., just bruteforcing every combination 10:28:00 and thats... not really programming 10:28:11 bruteforcing Malbolge has been tried 10:28:13 a friend of mine did a "MALBOLGE-SDK" 10:28:15 it works 10:28:21 it eventually resulted in a hello world, that wasn't even capitalised correctly 10:28:25 i did two algorithms in bruteforce 10:28:30 (as in, random capitalisation for each letter) 10:28:40 nah, its possible 10:28:46 i fixed that Hello World in wikipedia 10:28:52 to the correct capitalisation 10:28:52 :-P 10:30:03 for the bruteforce theres this application: http://www.cs.uit.no/~johnm/code/hacks/ 10:30:11 uses a genetic algorithm 10:30:16 ais523: My first idea is a control flow graph 10:30:40 overlaid on the source 10:31:03 if you guys are interested 10:31:11 --- translated from portuguese to english - http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblol.org%2F735-malbolge-desmistificado&act=url 10:32:04 i really wish i could contact the japaneses that did the 99 bottles of beer 10:32:06 with CYCLES 10:32:13 to understand how did he do that 10:51:33 -!- foocraft has quit (Quit: if you're going....to san. fran. cisco!!!). 10:53:03 -!- cheater_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 11:03:10 hm 11:04:47 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:38:31 -!- choochter has joined. 11:46:35 -!- Lymee has quit (Ping timeout: 241 seconds). 12:02:21 -!- Lymee has joined. 12:06:33 -!- Lymee has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:14:43 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 12:14:43 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Changing host). 12:14:43 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 12:17:09 -!- Lymee has joined. 12:27:45 bleh, Ubuntu bug 290204 really makes me lose hope in humanity, or at least small subsets of it 12:27:59 link? 12:28:13 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/290204 12:28:32 basically, shutting down Ubuntu works indirectly by calling shutdown(1) 12:28:36 which plays a beep through the PC speaker 12:28:47 the fix they used was to blacklist the kernel driver for the PC speaker 12:28:51 globally 12:29:04 rather than just adding an option to shutdown to not beep, or using telinit, or, really, anything else 12:31:33 ais523: on the plus side 12:34:45 http://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=1000 12:36:01 that's just a joke bug, I'm fine with those 12:36:17 its a most excellent joke bug 12:36:25 the best is who it's assigned to 12:38:17 ok, that's enough william hartnell for this what-is-quickly-becoming-an-allnighter 12:51:41 ""The whole notion of replacing π by 2π is silly since we all are very comfortable with π and multiplication by two." 12:51:52 I think this is the best summary of the entire tau movement to date. 13:07:11 -!- oerjan has joined. 13:17:06 oerjan, this is a holdup; comment! 13:17:18 -!- copumpkin has joined. 13:23:04 Phantom_Hoover: and yet mathematicians strive for perfection 13:23:28 note that the physicists found h/2pi to be so useful they invented a symbol for it 13:23:39 coppro, not the kind of perfection that comes from changing some factors. 13:25:27 pi vs. tau is only considered important by the same kind of people who insist on punishing pupils for putting a single line under the final answer when the school rules say there should be two. 13:26:02 * Phantom_Hoover hugs oerjan while still pointing the gun at him. 13:26:28 > let { infixr 6 >=; x >= f = f x } in 10 >= 11 >= (+) 13:26:28 21 13:26:56 > let { infixr 6 >=; (>=) = flip ($) } in 10 >= 11 >= (+) 13:26:59 21 13:27:05 I decided Haskell needed more RPN... 13:27:18 You could've used a new operator for it. 13:27:35 istr F# uses |> 13:28:01 nah, no one uses comparison operators in modern programming anyways 13:28:03 although i think that's infixl 13:28:05 it's all about RPN these days. 13:28:19 Oh, right. 13:28:23 coppro: engineers have separate names for units which are just 1 divided by existing units 13:28:33 ais523: So do physicists 13:28:41 well, it's the same units 13:29:02 This is more because the English language sucks at expressing inverse units 13:29:03 inverse femtobarns ftw 13:29:36 and also to avoid confusion 13:29:36 you coould just add the prefix in- to the unit name. 13:29:52 Infemtobarns. 13:30:03 ingrams 13:30:03 since dimensions do not uniquely identify the physical properties of a unit 13:30:06 that's how adjectives work, anyways... 13:30:17 most of them, that is. 13:30:36 some are un-, some allow both. English is weird. 13:30:46 Unfemtobarns. 13:30:59 I'd prefer in- over un- though, for units 13:31:03 dammit I need a snuggy 13:31:20 also, what the hell is a femtobarn. 13:31:29 is it a really small barn? 13:31:34 CakeProphet, a barn is a unit of area. 13:31:36 like, the kind you keep animals in? 13:31:37 oh. 13:31:41 it is the size of a barn? 13:31:47 rather smaller, i believe :P 13:31:47 A really, really small unit of area; it was used for nuclear physics. 13:32:15 oerjan: this seems like a clever way to advertise a barn your selling, by saying it the size of many barns. 13:32:19 *you're 13:32:22 So wait, speed would be measured in metre-inseconds? 13:32:46 Phantom_Hoover: also known as Galileos 13:32:59 inverse femtobarns is the unit used for measuring the total amount of collision data collected by the LHC 13:33:16 oerjan, seems like an odd unit to use. 13:34:21 i think it somehow measures how small an area they have statistically managed to hit with those collisions, or something 13:34:22 1 barn = 1.0 × 10-28 meters squared 13:34:45 A barn (symbol b) is a unit of area. Originally used in nuclear physics for expressing the cross sectional area of nuclei and nuclear reactions, today it is used in all fields of high energy physics to express the cross sections of any scattering process. 13:34:49 I guess this would explain the choice? 13:34:55 The electric constant would be in square amp-4th seconds-inkilograms-cubic inmetres? 13:35:06 I much prefer microouthouse to femtobarn 13:35:48 so in fact, I could advertise my barn to be the size of over one thousand barns. 13:36:00 and still be technically correct. 13:36:07 except for the whole size not being area thing. 13:36:14 also, really, the unit used for measuring collision rate is finverse femtobarn-seconds 13:36:19 s/fin/in/ 13:36:29 or inverse femtobarn-hours or what have you 13:37:48 if I worked with the LHC I would convert all of my measurements to invese (beardseconds squared)-seconds 13:38:07 *inverse 13:40:03 or I guess it would be (inverse beardseconds squared)-seconds 13:40:25 makes everything completely different... 13:41:08 "Geneva, 17 June 2011. Today at around 10:50 CEST, the amount of data accumulated by LHC experiments ATLAS and CMS clicked over from 0.999 to 1 inverse femtobarn, signalling an important milestone in the experiments' quest for new physics." 13:41:52 "The number signifies a quantity physicists call integrated luminosity, which is a measure of the total number of collisions produced." 13:44:29 1 barn = 4.0 × 10-12 beard second squared 13:44:39 that's 10^(-12) 13:45:01 * Sgeo must not be allowed to fall asleep 13:47:25 * oerjan gently pushes Sgeo into a vat of chloroform 13:48:10 oerjan is such a gentleman 13:50:18 > 5 * 31556926 13:50:19 157784630 13:50:24 a beardyear in nanometers. 13:51:57 ars for dyeing your bears 13:52:46 huh, so the average beard only grows about 15 cm in a year. I guess that makes sense. 13:58:00 * oerjan gently pushes Sgeo into a vat of chloroform 13:58:06 Should've included benzene. 13:59:16 Bye all 14:01:25 "Is benzene and chloroform mixture a good eluent? 14:01:35 " 14:02:33 i find the relevance somewhat elusive, at least 14:04:39 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 14:06:28 elliott_: how's scapegoat getting on? 14:06:38 I just got into a darcs vs. svn flamewar in my boss's office 14:07:09 oerjan, it's a long story. 14:07:20 and need a version control system that is unambiguously superior to all others in order to justify advocating it 14:07:23 aha. 14:07:51 oerjan: it is also not a particularly good story 14:08:19 oh. 14:09:08 in fact, it's probably not even worth randomly referencing 14:09:10 * ais523 glares at Phantom_Hoover 14:09:25 -!- copumpkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:09:50 -!- copumpkin has joined. 14:09:50 -!- copumpkin has quit (Changing host). 14:09:50 -!- copumpkin has joined. 14:12:11 * oerjan wonders what ais523 and Phantom_Hoover did, and whether it was entirely legal. 14:12:26 oerjan: I didn't do anything 14:12:33 in fact, I was on the other side of the argument 14:12:47 ic. that would increase the chances it wasn't legal, i guess. 14:12:53 ais523, the BORING side of the argument. 14:13:26 OK, so I was on the boring (and yet legal) side of the argument 14:13:40 Was it really, truly illegal? 14:13:45 I still think it was a better side than yours 14:13:46 Or simply forbidden by unjust laws? 14:13:58 and OK, there are some stupid laws around 14:14:19 but the law in question is an entirely sensible one, and I would likely advocate for its adoption if for some reason it hadn't been introduced 14:15:04 * oerjan wasn't aware that there was some concept of "truly illegal" 14:15:09 Well sure, but you're a joyless automaton with no love for the finer things. 14:15:39 oerjan: probably similar to "illegal and easily enforceable" 14:15:46 oerjan: Phantom_Hoover seems to be using it as "illegal and I agree with it being illegal" 14:16:06 or yes, illegal and unethical. 14:16:14 It was a victimless crime! 14:16:22 Or at least a crime with no victims worth speaking of. 14:16:38 there was nothing of the victim left to complain! 14:16:51 oerjan, I wouldn't go that far. 14:16:58 If anything there'd be slightly more of the victim. 14:17:05 ah. 14:17:24 Phantom_Hoover: well, it never happened (I hope, at least) 14:17:38 so it was victimless in the sense that it was never committed 14:18:11 Sgeo was damnably weak-willed, yes. 14:28:38 You have stumbled upon the difference between music lovers and audiophiles. Music lovers listen to music, where audiophiles listen to stereos. 14:33:17 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 14:37:30 I am a music lover that prefers higher quality speakers, but realizes that there's an upper ceiling where quality begins to matter less. 14:37:45 my laptop speakers aren't cutting it... 14:38:01 but I'll amend this situation when I get my first paycheck Thursday.. 14:39:12 anyways, I'm going to do that thing animals do where there heart rate and brain activity slows down and the eyes experience phases of rapid movement. 14:39:28 *their ...I am messing those up a lot right now. 14:39:33 buy some sennheisers 14:40:49 I will probably begin to hallucinate as I lie in a state of paralysis. 14:40:59 but I will have difficulty remember what it was that I hallucinated. 14:41:04 *remembering 14:55:34 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:59:43 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 15:27:31 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:32:49 -!- ais523 has joined. 15:53:31 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:54:34 -!- sebbu has joined. 15:54:34 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 15:54:35 -!- sebbu has joined. 16:05:15 -!- monqy has joined. 16:05:52 -!- derrik has joined. 16:10:21 -!- calamari has joined. 16:30:04 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 16:31:28 -!- calamari has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:49:38 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 16:50:17 -!- derrik has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:52:03 -!- jcp has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 16:52:12 -!- jcp|1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:02:49 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:03:58 -!- ais523_ has quit (Quit: Page closed). 17:04:55 -!- cheater_ has joined. 17:33:40 -!- Sgeo has joined. 17:38:27 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 17:42:44 -!- Sgeo has joined. 17:43:15 -!- Wamanuz4 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:47:27 -!- Wamanuz has joined. 17:59:23 -!- azaq23 has joined. 18:31:18 -!- hiato has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 18:37:13 Need to save power 18:37:43 i recommend rechargeable batteries 18:37:47 -!- Sgeo has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:37:49 -!- hiato has joined. 18:37:49 those new lithium ones 18:38:31 -!- cheater_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 18:39:36 -!- cheater_ has joined. 18:42:19 -!- pikhq has joined. 18:43:29 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 19:14:18 does a double fill only one word in 64-bit systems? 19:14:23 -!- jcp has joined. 19:15:52 double float is 64bits. 19:24:30 http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/elnr4/our_heater_is_shit_so_this_is_how_were/c1915ub 19:24:33 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 19:24:39 Scroll down to the later replies; facepalm. 19:24:40 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:27:23 "Here's your evidence: common fucking sense. 19:27:23 But you go on and uh...talk about computers..and kJ of energy..." 19:27:52 Fun fact: these people were being upvoted until someone called in /r/Physics. 19:42:39 -!- jcp|other has joined. 19:51:58 -!- BeedaWeeda has joined. 19:52:09 "Its because oven heating elements generally aren't built for continuous duty, they're designed to cycle on and off. My guess is that some parts that normally don't get hot could get hot and become a fire hazard." 19:52:14 wtf 19:52:19 it's like this guy has never heard of broiling 19:54:01 anyone can find a stupid person on the internet, only the truely talented time wasters actually bother to read them. 19:54:26 -!- Vorpal has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net). 19:54:40 newsham, I think the thing that hooked me was the fact that the hivemind was initially on the side of the idiots. 19:55:23 most of the people in this thread are not stupid. only about the usual amount 19:55:47 but i'm above and beyond the average time-waster. i'm a time-waster extraordinaire 19:55:52 Yes, but some of them are really stupid, and it seems that they were initially the ones with upvotes. 19:56:08 -!- Vorpal has joined. 19:56:31 maybe people are upvoting the idiots so we can all share in their glory 20:20:59 Yes. That is what we shall tell ourselves from now on. 20:22:21 -!- Lymee has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:22:30 http://sttngfashion.tumblr.com/post/5550581072/special-report-star-trek-the-next-generation-a-xxx Best 20:26:50 -!- boily has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 20:32:44 quintopia: Uh, I could've sworn that a 100% duty cycle was, in fact, designed for in electric heating elements. 20:38:43 -!- Sgeo has joined. 20:50:26 pikhq_: indeed. but it's been an hour since i was talking about idiots on reddit, and the moment has passed 20:52:29 Hmm? 20:53:56 quintopia: Beh. 20:54:52 "Sorry, cows, your skin is really nice-looking when it gets made into shoes and jackets." 20:55:03 Are cows ever actually killed for leather? 20:55:20 I'd've thought that food cows would yield enough. 20:56:27 old milchcows :P 20:56:38 a cow killed for meat and leather is still killed for leather? 20:56:50 i don't actually have many things made of cow leather 20:57:00 some kangaroo leather, some sheep leather... 20:57:08 olsner, I suspect the demand for cows for food exceeds that for leather. 20:57:46 poll question: how would you interpret the following sentence: "Of course, this same person apparently knows casey through six degrees." 21:00:03 Casey from Casey and Andy. 21:00:56 He knows him through six degrees of parallax. 21:02:37 lul 21:04:17 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:24:40 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 21:24:44 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:25:00 O...K... 21:25:19 I am arriving at the hypothesis that Wine's D3D support crashes my computer. 21:43:49 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:50:18 -!- NihilistDandy has joined. 21:50:34 -!- augur has joined. 22:10:25 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=32182066&l=d213217594&id=1055580469 Great advancement in ties, or /greatest/ advancement in ties? 22:11:32 man, content not found is my favorite kind of tie 22:13:48 Gregor, http://wheelof.com/whitney/ 22:13:54 You have been ousted as a composer. 22:14:03 oh dear 22:14:26 oh 22:14:28 that thing 22:14:30 old 22:14:53 Oh. Well then, Gregor has always been ousted. 22:15:04 this is true 22:15:37 he was never even outed 22:17:49 quintopia: Content not found? wtf? 22:18:01 This is supposed to be a "for anyone, even not on Facebook" permalink: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=32182066&l=d213217594&id=1055580469 22:18:13 And it appears to be the same link I gave before ... 22:18:43 Argh, fuggin Facebook. 22:19:03 if its a pic 22:19:04 http://codu.org/tmp/futuretie.jpg 22:19:23 you can just right click->copy image location 22:19:31 never had that not work 22:19:54 http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/260546_1982623639337_1055580469_32182066_4949751_n.jpg lulsecurity 22:20:23 so you just tied two together backtoback? 22:21:04 Uhh, no, if that was what I had done it wouldn't look anything like that. 22:21:45 HOW SHOULD I KNOW 22:21:50 what did? 22:22:01 Have you never tied a tie before? X-D 22:22:11 Well, that is two ties, but the knot is, to my knowledge, unique. 22:22:44 Not that there's much knot there, it's just an up-and-over for the wide parts, the thin parts are tied for flourish :) 22:23:13 Up-and-over? 22:23:21 I am not familiar with this knot. 22:23:29 Admittedly I only know one tie knot, but still. 22:23:32 it looked about like how i imagine two ties tied in a standard fashion but with their knots intermingled would look 22:23:59 "Up-and-over" is the first step of nearly every tie knot. 22:24:05 -!- terix has joined. 22:24:26 Where you push the long part up through the loop created by wrapping it 'round the short part. 22:24:52 (The only tie knot I know is the Windsor, which is apparently weird.) 22:25:03 It's not particularly weird, no ... 22:25:12 It's the canonical knot, although most people do the pussy half-windsor nowadays. 22:25:40 i usually do either a full windsor or fourinhand 22:25:41 -!- terix has left. 22:25:46 the difference is subtle 22:25:56 so i dont know which it is 22:26:01 quintopia, the difference is huge. 22:26:13 i have a photo 22:26:16 of all the ties 22:26:20 Do you wrap the big end around the small end when tying it? 22:26:28 painted on the side of a building in reykjavik 22:26:43 i can look at that and decide 22:27:53 OK, but it might take a while to get there. 22:27:55 Anyway, this isn't any standard tie knot, as indicated by the fact that it involves TWO EFFING TIES 22:28:08 But anyway, real question: Me wearing a double-tie all the time from now on. Yes/no? 22:28:36 Yes. 22:31:47 i think 22:31:50 you can do better 22:31:57 QUADTIE 22:32:02 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4272067/what-does-mean-in-mathematica 22:32:17 "The & "pumps in" the variable into the # sign." 22:32:29 Perhaps the worst way to describe anonymous functions? 22:36:27 quintopia: I would need a pretty impressive collar for that :P 22:45:40 and a more impressive know! 22:45:44 *knot 23:02:03 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 23:25:52 a 23:28:22 12:28:47: the fix they used was to blacklist the kernel driver for the PC speaker 23:28:22 12:28:51: globally 23:28:26 so they solved two problems 23:31:13 13:23:04: Phantom_Hoover: and yet mathematicians strive for perfection 23:31:13 lol 23:31:22 13:25:27: pi vs. tau is only considered important by the same kind of people who insist on punishing pupils for putting a single line under the final answer when the school rules say there should be two. 23:31:29 heh, but I'm not sure that's accurate 23:33:17 Ssh, it's oerjan and he's agreeing with us. 23:33:23 You don't question that, you just accept it. 23:33:43 13:41:08: "Geneva, 17 June 2011. Today at around 10:50 CEST, the amount of data accumulated by LHC experiments ATLAS and CMS clicked over from 0.999 to 1 inverse femtobarn, signalling an important milestone in the experiments' quest for new physics." 23:34:01 I would like to think that the only results kept at the end of the LHC experiments will be the single inverse femtobarn number. 23:34:08 All the rest will be thrown away now that we have THE RESULT. 23:34:13 (It will be 4.) 23:35:11 13:47:25: * oerjan gently pushes Sgeo into a vat of chloroform 23:35:11 Oh, my. 23:35:21 -!- cheater_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 23:37:23 Ah, you're secretly George Takei. 23:37:28 You're getting off on this, I bet. 23:37:40 btw 23:37:48 its odd that his last name is almost "the gay" 23:37:51 george takei was hilarious in larry crowne 23:37:53 thats a lot of pressure 23:38:18 45000 atmospheres 23:47:27 -!- mycrofti1 has changed nick to mycroftiv. 23:47:41 -!- cheater_ has joined. 23:51:35 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:55:09 -!- cheater_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 23:56:51 qweuiop