00:09:21 Slurkle. 00:09:23 Actually, gaaah undefined behavior. 00:09:30 OK, so who remembers when we tore into http://xkcd.com/881/ a while ago? 00:18:48 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:19:13 Wait, it was just oko and cpressey. Oh well. 00:19:13 -!- copumpkin has joined. 00:19:13 -!- copumpkin has quit (Changing host). 00:19:13 -!- copumpkin has joined. 00:19:52 > fix("ok"++) 00:19:53 "okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokok... 00:23:38 Ack, reading that log is slightly painful now. A conscience is a terrible burden to bear. 00:28:51 WELL CANCER IS PAINFUL YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD 00:29:05 * oerjan whistles innocently 00:29:41 oerjan, Munroe's girlfriend was diagnosed with breast cancer some time before that comic was made, a fact which he has just disclosed. 00:29:56 well duh. 00:30:03 'duh'? 00:30:08 duh. 00:30:16 what do you _think_ i was referring to... 00:30:17 Damn, I'm behind the times. 00:30:41 (The internet: where a day ago is behind the times.) 00:31:43 I guess I move in the wrong subreddits. Ah, well. 00:31:53 * oerjan actually visits the xkcd blag infrequently, and just accidentally happened to read it this morning. 00:33:11 I only happened across it by chance when I checked the comment history of that guy who made the test post that's currently the most-upvoted Reddit submission. 00:46:59 Can you figure out my game of pokemon cards? 00:48:53 * Phantom_Hoover attempts to unwind the Epic Thread. 00:49:59 Oh holy christ this is impossible. 00:50:12 fizzie! I need your superpowers! 00:50:30 Epic Thread? 00:51:15 coppro: Yes. 00:51:43 Sgeo_, it's a huge thread of replies that blossomed off some post. 00:51:48 It has its own subreddit. 00:52:12 (The first puzzle is the same as it was before; I added something to the HYPNO card that was supposed to be there but I omitted; it does not affect the puzzle) 00:52:26 I've been traversing a single branch for quite a while now. 00:52:28 coppro: Correct, you can only play one energy card per turn. (Regardless of the kind) 00:54:03 It's lasted over two years. 00:54:16 -!- NihilistDandy has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:54:24 Phantom_Hoover, the test post? 00:54:29 Nope. 00:54:36 http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/6nz1k/got_six_weeks_try_the_hundred_push_ups_training/ 00:54:56 It only has 6000 or so comments, but I suspect they're almost all concentrated into the Epic Thread. 00:57:56 FFS, it must have been half an hour by now, and I haven't even branched. 00:58:41 Thank christ, I'm onto stuff from only a week ago. 00:59:05 http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/6nz1k/got_six_weeks_try_the_hundred_push_ups_training/c234inn is the current bottom. 01:00:11 coppro: Yes. Very good. 01:00:34 Eh? Did I accidentally ignore coppro? 01:00:47 No, I have been pming zzo38 and he's been responding publicly 01:00:50 I would like you to try to make a puzzle too 01:00:54 I pmed so as not to give the solution away 01:01:21 coppro: OK, do not give solution away is OK. However I like to post public so that other people can try it too 01:01:45 yes, of course :) 01:02:18 They are not only for you; even though it seems you are the only one who can answer it 01:02:25 Let someone else try please 01:02:29 I'm the only one who's bothered, more like 01:02:54 Of course, anyone else is free to try. Since I haven't given away the solution to the second one, the puzzle remains fun for everyone else. 01:03:02 the first one, regrettably, is in the logs 01:03:37 coppro: Yes it is. It doesn't matter; whoever hasn't read it can try it please 01:05:13 We have a game it costs 1 point to play and you toss a coin until tails. Depending on number of heads: 0 -> 0, 1 -> 0, 2 -> 0, 3 -> 20, 4 -> 40, don't know the rest, 10 or more -> 0. 01:07:35 I should try to make some puzzle with IMAKUNI? card (where you have to maximize your chance of winning) 01:07:48 hahaha 01:08:44 Can you try to make any puzzle at all? 01:09:00 I am busy right now, unfortunately 01:09:13 OK, then maybe someone else 01:10:40 > sum $ zipWith (*) (iterate(/2)(1/2)) [0,0,0,20,40,80,160,320,640,1280] 01:10:41 8.75 01:11:00 How many people in here understand pokemon card? 01:11:18 ais523 does, but he's not here 01:17:02 * Phantom_Hoover → sleep 01:17:04 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:17:38 ais523 last seen 17 hours ago (approx). 01:17:55 -!- BeedaWeeda has joined. 01:18:21 I believe someone has posted something about Pokemon in esolang wiki once but I don't know if it means they would necessarily know how to play pokemon card 01:19:14 * Sgeo_ goes to play with yet another 3d world 01:32:06 -!- foocraft has changed nick to _. 01:32:36 -!- _ has changed nick to Guest99701. 01:33:06 -!- Guest99701 has changed nick to foocraft. 01:35:19 meh! why was I highlighted? I wasn't even here :/ 01:36:07 and the one who highlighted me was elliott and he's not even here 01:37:45 -!- wth has joined. 01:38:11 -!- wth has changed nick to Guest55283. 01:42:06 -!- Patashu has joined. 01:44:29 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:45:07 -!- Guest55283 has left ("Leaving."). 01:58:31 Vittu. 01:58:34 -Inen. 01:58:39 Vittuinen. 01:58:43 Suomasta. 01:59:00 voi vittu 01:59:28 Perkelin sota limsa. 01:59:38 Laskea irti. 02:00:01 saattana perkele, ei saa peittää parasta ennen voi vittu 02:00:30 Sotala satana peittää. 02:00:47 Ei futi. 02:01:32 are you guys finnished? 02:01:53 quintopia: Quite. 02:02:00 Suomi ei laskea irti ketti. 02:02:12 En ih. 02:02:32 hurtti irtti ketti 02:02:45 Kiitti. 02:03:00 kiittii 02:03:02 Hur ir ke. Hurirke. 02:03:03 guess not 02:03:16 En ih. 02:03:26 quintopia: finnished, yes, finished, no. it's just gibberish afaik 02:03:47 Irkkipöistimödi. 02:04:02 Peittää... midä. 02:04:07 pöistimöidi 02:04:22 Oletko? 02:05:05 Etusivu. 02:05:07 ölut! 02:05:13 Mutinan sota oli vuonna 43 eaa. 02:05:37 we should probably try to involve at least one of the finns 02:05:49 e.g. fizzie or oklopol 02:06:10 Anna minulle kylmä olut! 02:06:36 Pitää pää kylmänä. 02:06:52 Kuuma. Anna minulle kuuma olut! 02:07:01 Ei saa peittaa! 02:07:13 Saa saa saa. 02:07:19 Saada. 02:07:50 sorry, *peittää! 02:07:51 Saadada. Dadadada. 02:07:51 miltä meno maistuu 02:08:36 Perkele kuuma vittu oerjan:sta. 02:09:12 I wonder if tswett actually knows finnish or if he's using google translate or something 02:09:19 Se maistuu hyvältä. 02:09:32 hyvvä 02:09:59 Käytän Wikisanakirja ja oma pieni tuntemus Suomen kieli, paitsi tämä lause, joka tuotti Google Translate. 02:10:12 Pieni. 02:10:14 i'm pretty sure tswett was trying to learn finnish earlier... 02:10:27 Pieni ikuisesti. 02:11:19 Moin moin. 02:11:46 tswett : human languages :: Sgeo : programming languages? 02:11:47 finnish would be cool to know, but not so sure about learning 02:11:50 Jagrastin. 02:12:06 Sgeo_: I don't spend *that* much time learning human languages... 02:12:41 English, Spanish, and French are the only languages I can read at all. 02:13:59 Lojban too, I guess. 02:14:05 at one point I might have to learn to read computer-swedish 02:14:24 without having to reverse-translate it from (to) english 02:14:54 computer swedish? 02:14:54 What's computer-Swedish? 02:14:55 but hopefully never 02:15:24 it's the mangled incomprehensible form of swedish produced by people translating software 02:16:20 People-translating software? TIL. 02:16:42 me too 02:16:44 people who are translating software then? 02:17:02 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:17:57 I probably want to create a swenglish locale where all technical terms are kept in english 02:18:56 Du måste reboota din computer. 02:19:25 You must-a reboot-a da computer? 02:19:55 Din browser behöver restartas 02:20:20 Da browser behoove-er restarts. 02:20:29 Downloada filen? 02:20:40 Download a filin'? 02:21:02 "Your browser needs to erect RTAS" thanks google translate 02:21:27 download a filling? 02:21:50 oerjan: du måste reboota datorn, din brower behöver startas om, ladda ner filen (jämfört med t.ex. "Läs in filen") 02:22:01 eller "Läs in igen" 02:22:18 Da browser behoover starts. Om. 02:22:46 tswett: close enough :) 02:23:01 olsner: i am not sure whether your improvements are still considered too swenglish or not :P 02:23:03 * tswett meditates. 02:23:05 -!- wth has joined. 02:23:25 Bork bork bork da browser beborker starts. Bork. 02:23:26 ok i guess the parentheses give a hint 02:23:31 -!- wth has changed nick to Guest63077. 02:23:46 oerjan: they are swenglish, but not swedish enough to be incomprehensible :) 02:24:28 olsner: oh so making more words swedish would be worse? 02:25:16 yep, inventing new swedish terms where 40 years of computing have used swenglish or english doesn't make anything more comprehensible 02:26:01 O KAY 02:26:29 at least not to me, because swedish is not a language I know any computer-related terms in 02:27:23 "Swedish - Deprecated. Use English." 02:27:24 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 02:33:06 haha 02:33:08 Someone told me their computer keeps overheating because it is black. Do you think it would help if it was white? 02:33:29 Black computers lose heat better than white computers. 02:33:34 I think. 02:33:59 Then it wouldn't help, I guess. 02:34:26 unless they are standing in the sun 02:34:26 I suggested using liquid cooling system but they don't know how to find that or install it or anything like that (I also don't know). 02:34:52 * tswett parks his laptop. 02:36:34 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 02:37:15 I haven't been outside since yesterday 02:37:19 I'm getting shaky 02:37:20 -!- Guest63077 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:38:38 http://pastebin.com/Y75WrP9D 02:38:41 :3 02:39:31 -!- Patashu has joined. 02:47:22 -!- Sgeo has joined. 02:48:19 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 02:54:09 -!- jcp|other has joined. 02:54:43 -!- jcp has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 02:56:10 -!- javawizard has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 02:58:44 -!- jcp has joined. 03:06:55 how are ya, Lymee? 03:07:04 Hugs! 03:07:05 :3 03:07:07 * Lymee hugs quintopia <3 03:07:38 * quintopia hugs Lymee 03:07:46 what does that program do? 03:08:19 Somethings. 03:10:46 -!- hiato has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 03:11:22 -!- hiato has joined. 03:13:31 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 03:13:42 i am too lazy to compile and run it 03:15:56 -!- Sgeo has joined. 03:16:42 -!- Patashu has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:17:57 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 03:20:43 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 03:38:11 -!- Sgeo__ has joined. 03:38:18 someone recommend me the best bnc 03:40:58 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 03:47:35 -!- foocraft has quit (Quit: So long, and thanks for all the fish!). 03:50:07 -!- pikhq has joined. 03:52:39 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:53:08 You can have all the fish 04:01:54 Please read this and tell me of your opinion/question. gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0phlog*c_prog.permission-script 04:05:43 my opinion: gopher is dead. 04:06:33 newsham: Not while zzo38 still has life. 04:06:58 And, TBH, I can't say I blame him. Gopher is better designed than HTTP. 04:08:17 Especially in terms of the "No, fuck you, you are not a graphic designer you just suck and your eyes have probably been removed" factor. 04:14:13 man, the list of things better designed than http could fill an internet 04:14:21 True, true. 04:14:43 Though few things are both better-designed and intended for hypertext. 04:14:52 Due to few things being intended for hypertext. :P 04:15:43 -!- calamari has joined. 04:54:48 However, I was asking opinion of what the article is discussing, not about the protocol used to serve it. 04:55:59 zzo38: The underlying message here was "the work required to access that page in 2011 is greater than what we're willing to do to simply read something and give opinions" 04:56:33 Gregor: It is available over HTTP as well, although I have disabled sending comments using HTTP. 04:56:54 http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/phlog/phlog_http.php?m=1&q=_prog.permission-script 04:57:28 And anyways you can access it using netcat without too much difficulty is it not? 05:01:52 -!- WillMac has joined. 05:01:57 http://www.streamvera.com/stream/15997 05:02:44 hi what 05:03:37 listen to the webradio 05:03:46 my 2 songs are about to be played next 05:03:48 im pretty excited 05:05:25 my songs are called 05:05:28 Walk Walk 3 05:05:36 and Maps remix - by donato 05:08:01 Inquiry: why do we care? 05:08:21 because its cool music 05:08:25 im being played now 05:08:26 -!- BeedaWeeda has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 05:08:27 http://www.streamvera.com/stream/15997 05:08:34 its club/house 05:08:39 if youre into that stuff 05:08:47 nope 05:13:10 Use HTTP if it is necessary. 05:38:46 Man, it's pretty great reading an old Slashdot thread about Linus dropping Bitkeeper. 05:39:19 "Why doesn't Linus just design from scratch a SCM that he likes? Bet it'd take him like 6 months." So very prescient. 05:40:27 am i wrong for liking dissociative hallucinogens? 05:40:41 Not inherently. 05:40:57 i just cant seem to stop doing them 05:41:03 whether it be Ketamine 05:41:09 or dextromethorphan 05:41:18 they seem to fill a hole in my being 05:41:24 that nothing else can 05:41:29 I see little *moral* issue with recreational chemical usage. 05:41:39 i guess i just enjoy losing my ego 05:41:54 i practice eastern religion 05:41:55 Though the practical issues are, frankly, obvious. 05:42:10 and crowleyan magick 05:42:21 and the dissociation really helps out with rituals 05:42:23 and such 05:42:25 (certain ones having negative effects, certain ones having significant legal impediments, etc. etc. etc.) 05:42:45 zzo38: I summon thee. 05:42:55 when i require losing my train of thought 05:43:02 and entering a state of trance 05:43:17 Especially when charging sigils 05:43:34 One of these days, we're going to get someone wandering in here thinking this is a channel for esotericism but also being interested in programming. 05:43:37 Some day. 05:44:03 so this isnt a channel for esotericism? 05:44:09 Nope. 05:44:15 * WillMac feels embarrased 05:44:15 :/ 05:44:25 Channel for esoteric programming languages. 05:44:27 its hard to find places 05:44:41 well im sorry 05:44:44 <3 05:44:46 Yeaaah, if we knew where to refer you, we'd let you know. :P 05:44:47 No big. 05:45:11 i honestly thought this was a channel for esotericism 05:45:29 Yeah, every now and then we do get someone coming in thinking that. 05:45:36 Kinda amusing, really. 05:45:39 lol 05:45:48 Well its hard to find places 05:45:52 that are accepting of it 05:46:05 "GET THE FUCK OUT HIPPY" 05:46:12 "YOURE SCHIZO" 05:46:23 "THERES NO SUCH THING AS THE DIVINE" 05:46:51 i require more drink 05:46:59 to dose this hallucinogen 05:47:04 <3 nice meeting you 05:47:10 and again i appologize 05:47:18 Seriously, no real issue. 05:48:41 <-- dissociated emotional bi-sexual 05:48:41 lol 05:48:45 its okay 05:48:53 pikhq: You summon me for what purpose? 05:49:05 zzo38: Your zzo38ness. 05:49:13 zzo38: I know not what else to describe it as. 05:49:59 OK, I think I understand. However, how can I answer you if there is not a question? 05:50:16 Alas. 06:15:04 -!- yiyus has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 06:19:36 -!- yiyus has joined. 06:31:48 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 06:38:11 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 06:38:11 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Changing host). 06:38:11 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 06:58:40 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:10:21 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:20:52 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 08:05:46 -!- calamari has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:25:48 -!- derrik has joined. 08:26:00 -!- derrik has left. 08:27:50 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 08:33:27 https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35890 08:33:40 Perhaps the best bug ever? 08:33:57 -!- WillMac has left. 08:35:34 funroll-loops.info 08:39:02 oh hey, it's linked in the bug :D 08:39:09 no wait 08:39:12 wrong tld 08:39:22 http://funroll-loops.info/ is correct 09:33:29 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 09:51:07 -!- nooga has joined. 10:27:16 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 10:35:32 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:37:51 -!- Slereah has joined. 11:07:38 -!- azaq23 has joined. 11:12:12 -!- Lymee has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:13:36 -!- Lymee has joined. 11:32:56 -!- azaq23 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 11:37:40 -!- Vorpal has joined. 11:39:07 -!- azaq23 has joined. 11:44:42 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 12:19:08 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 12:25:47 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 13:09:17 -!- azaq23 has joined. 13:15:18 -!- Vorpal has joined. 13:30:24 -!- s1nn3r has joined. 13:33:22 -!- s1nn3r has quit (Quit: mIRC Power Pack 8.00 (www.mIRCPowerPack.com) by sod/sgt-d (sgt-d@sodpit.com)). 13:45:19 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 14:33:50 -!- thezakman has joined. 14:38:03 -!- thezakman has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 15:03:05 -!- zzo38 has joined. 15:28:34 is it zzo o'clock? 15:34:59 -!- monqy has joined. 15:35:02 is that like ssz? 15:56:54 I don't know. 16:02:02 -!- monqy has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 16:03:24 -!- monqy has joined. 16:25:58 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:26:07 -!- pikhq has joined. 16:26:59 What musical scale do these numbers represent? 16 18 20 21 24 27 30 32 16:27:33 -!- copumpkin has joined. 16:28:39 -!- monqy has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:32:52 -!- monqy has joined. 16:33:14 it's 16:33:16 weird 16:33:27 not a scale i've ever seen 16:34:18 Hint these are not numbers of semitones 16:37:12 are they multiples of a particular frequency? 16:37:36 no that's silly 16:38:45 -!- monqy has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 16:40:56 Silly? Are you sure? 16:40:57 -!- monqy has joined. 16:41:33 -!- nooga has joined. 17:01:12 -!- monqy has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 17:02:25 * Phantom_Hoover concludes, after much testing, that Minecraft is not a world amenable to the scientific method. 17:08:12 ....what? 17:09:28 it is amenable to reverse engineering! 17:09:53 And I think ZZT is a world amenable to the scientific method. 17:12:56 Do strange thing, see what happens, make hypothesis, make up an experiment to test hypothesis, test it, see result, remember that ZZT is written in Pascal, think of the program to cause that to happen, look in memory dump, think about more. 17:13:38 I have figured out a lot of stuff about ZZT using this method, however I have not documented any of it. 17:15:32 What worlds aren't amenable to the scientific method? 17:15:39 Minecraft may be ... difficult, but 17:15:56 Hmm, perhaps a one where the rules vary by time and never repeat 17:16:42 Sgeo__: What about meta-rules, then? 17:17:16 Maybe all rules at all levels change by the progress of time, a bit like a nomic 17:17:36 Rules can specify how the rules will change, including how the rules will change 17:18:52 OK. Maybe. 17:20:50 -!- monqy has joined. 17:21:38 it's still predictable in some sense, if you know all the rules, but that definitely defines a complex world 17:22:08 a world not amenable to the scientific method: the real world, as applies to major historical events and social networks 17:22:33 how the hell can you have reproducability if things never play out the same twice? 17:22:56 Predictable if you know all the rules, but is there any way to, from the inside, even approach determining the rules? 17:23:13 Since, yeah, reproducibility 17:42:49 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 18:11:03 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 18:13:59 -!- Sgeo__ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 18:20:10 -!- nooga has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:22:52 -!- Sgeo_ has changed nick to Sgeo. 18:28:44 -!- jcp has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 18:28:56 -!- cranitree has joined. 18:29:36 -!- jcp|other has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:30:55 -!- cranitree has left ("Konversation terminated!"). 19:02:40 OK, so it hit me. 19:02:47 Life is basically the knapsack problem. 19:16:25 -!- Balanced1 has joined. 19:24:47 a painter would say life is paintbrush 19:24:53 i agree 19:24:58 definitely paintbrush 19:29:07 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 19:30:43 -!- Balanced1 has quit (Quit: http://irc2go.com/). 19:34:07 -!- cheater_ has joined. 19:34:09 hello 19:34:15 anyone know what glyph this is? ❡ 19:34:35 http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2761/index.htm 19:35:24 Hay you stop cheating please. 19:36:34 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobromine 19:36:47 I like the way it doesn't have bromine in it. 19:41:56 cheater_: it appears to be U+2761 CURVED STEM PARAGRAPH SIGN ORNAMENT (❡). 19:56:04 -!- oerjan has joined. 19:56:21 a painter would say life is paintbrush 19:56:29 quintopia, no it is the paint stripper 19:56:33 (well IMO) 19:56:45 Nonononononononono 19:56:51 Its the knapsack problem. 19:57:06 Phantom_Hoover, how so? 19:57:14 Vorpal, you have things you can do. 19:57:26 yes 19:57:27 They all take a certain amount of time and effort. 19:57:33 yep 19:57:35 And they all yield a certain reward 19:57:40 So basically. 19:57:42 possibly 19:57:45 Life is the knapsack problem. 19:58:05 Phantom_Hoover, there is a bit of randomness in there too, you might not get that job you wanted 19:58:06 and so on 19:58:25 interesting analogy however 19:58:43 16 18 20 21 24 27 30 32 19:58:45 er 20:00:00 > map (logBase 2/12*) [16,18,20,21,24,27,30,32] 20:00:01 Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (t -> t) 20:00:01 arising from a use of `... 20:00:10 wtf 20:00:43 randomized napsack problem? 20:00:53 > map ((/12).logBase 2) [16,18,20,21,24,27,30,32] 20:00:55 [0.3333333333333333,0.3474937501201927,0.3601606745739469,0.366026451898230... 20:00:59 bah 20:01:08 no, zzo38's scale 20:01:59 > join(zipWith(-)) $ map ((/12).logBase 2) [16,18,20,21,24,27,30,32] :: [Float] 20:02:01 [0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0] 20:02:05 er 20:02:12 > join(zipWith(-).tail) $ map ((/12).logBase 2) [16,18,20,21,24,27,30,32] :: [Float] 20:02:13 [1.41604245e-2,1.2666911e-2,5.8658123e-3,1.6053706e-2,1.41604245e-2,1.26669... 20:04:02 lambdabot's short lines make floating point lists awkward :( 20:05:26 hm i wonder if lambdabot has channel-based option lists (it does give longer lines in private messages) 20:08:10 -!- elliott has joined. 20:09:23 > map(printf "%.3f").join(zipWith(-).tail) $ map ((/12).logBase 2) [16,18,20,21,24,27,30,32] :: [String] 20:09:25 ["0.014","0.013","0.006","0.016","0.014","0.013","0.008"] 20:09:34 > map(2^)[4, 4+1/7 .. 5] 20:09:35 Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints: 20:09:35 `GHC.Real.Fractional a' 20:09:35 ... 20:09:38 gah 20:09:47 > map(2**)[4, 4+1/7 .. 5] 20:09:48 [16.0,17.665432218781003,19.504218467271617,21.534403082117716,23.775908626... 20:10:16 > map(printf "%.3f".(2**))[4, 4+1/7 .. 5] 20:10:17 Ambiguous type variable `b' in the constraints: 20:10:17 `Text.Printf.PrintfType ... 20:10:22 > map(printf "%.3f".(2**))[4, 4+1/7 .. 5]::[String] 20:10:23 ["16.000","17.665","19.504","21.534","23.776","26.251","28.983","32.000"] 20:11:13 hm it is _not_ simply rounding of an ordinary scale 20:11:24 sup 20:11:43 elliott: zzo38 has presented a scale conundrum 20:14:21 oerjan: he already said they weren't semitones :P 20:14:53 i tend to read more than what he says into everything he says though 20:15:00 quintopia: um i took that to mean that 16 and 18 weren't separated by 3 semitones, etc. 20:15:13 oh wait duh 20:18:31 > map(printf "%.3f".(2**).(4+).(1/12*))[0,2,4,5,7,9,11,12] 20:18:31 Ambiguous type variable `b' in the constraints: 20:18:32 `Text.Printf.PrintfType ... 20:18:40 > map(printf "%.3f".(2**).(4+).(1/12*))[0,2,4,5,7,9,11,12]::[String] 20:18:42 ["16.000","17.959","20.159","21.357","23.973","26.909","30.204","32.000"] 20:19:21 zzo38: ok rounding _that_ fits your numbers 20:19:23 That is an ordinary equal temperament scale now. What you had before obviously isn't, I think 20:19:43 oerjan: Yes it does fit. 20:19:52 zzo38: i somehow divided it in 7 while completely forgetting about semitones :P 20:19:56 *into 20:20:52 so it's a rounded major scale? 20:21:32 Or you could say it is a 16-to-32 linear temperament based major scale. 20:21:46 sure 20:21:57 bet it sounds pretty funky 20:22:28 Just now I programmed my computer to play a seven-tone equal temperament scale so I can know its sound. 20:23:04 > Just Tone 20:23:04 Not in scope: data constructor `Tone' 20:23:35 What worlds aren't amenable to the scientific method? <-- worlds that explicitly consider sentient beings and try to fool them 20:23:40 > Just Interval 20:23:41 Not in scope: data constructor `Interval' 20:24:00 zzo38: do you know the song Tombeau de Messiaen? 20:24:01 oerjan: is this your objection to the scientific method? :D 20:24:03 oerjan: like jeebuz does. 20:24:08 quintopia: No. I don't know that. 20:24:45 zzo38: it is a piece for piano and tape. the piano is equal-tempered, and the tape is the same key but in just intonation 20:25:01 elliott: it's a possible objection to any presumed infallibility of it 20:25:15 So does it play equal-temperament and just-intonation simultaneously? 20:25:28 yes 20:26:05 GOOD THINGS TO SAY ON PUBLICLY-LOGGED IRC CHANNELS AND, ALSO, TO THINK IN THE FIRST PLACE: hmm, we need to start giving randall's relatives cancer so he starts making good strips again like those five-minute ones 20:26:32 elliott: hey, great artists need to suffer! 20:26:39 those were good 20:26:45 he has made a couple good ones since then 20:26:46 (remind me never to become a great artist) 20:26:49 will we get more cancer strips too 20:26:57 where we means people who read xkcd 20:27:07 im not we 20:27:23 GOOD THINGS TO SAY ON PUBLICLY-LOGGED IRC CHANNELS AND, ALSO, TO THINK IN THE FIRST PLACE: hmm, we need to start giving randall's relatives cancer so he starts making good strips again like those five-minute ones 20:27:44 The 5-minute ones were made some unspecified time before they were released. 20:28:02 Cancer: Not a miracle cure? 20:28:18 It appears not. 20:28:38 (This still doesn't explain the xkcdecay, though.) 20:29:08 there ain't no cure, there ain't no cure, there ain't no cure for running out of ideas 20:29:25 whats the half life of xkcd? 20:30:13 3 years or so? 20:31:26 "This is mostly because I'm hardware/semiconductor guy intimately familiar with current microprocessor and processing technology plus what's in the pipeline for the next 10-20 years - there are fundamental physics reasons why it probably can't." 20:31:30 Orthogonal persistence: PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE 20:31:55 I cannot imagine what confusion of ideas would provoke such a statement. 20:32:15 now hardware orthogonal persistence would be something 20:32:29 (They weren't actually saying that.) 20:32:33 oerjan: that's just having non-volatile RAM 20:33:23 elliott: I think you need to provide context. His statement is perfectly reasonable of by "it probably can't", he means "microprocessors probably can't solve the halting problem". 20:33:30 -!- zzo38 has left. 20:33:58 tswett: I provided "context" with the next line, but that's actually not really what he was saying at all, it's just funny to read it that way :P 20:34:04 (The subject was single-address-space systems.) 20:34:06 I see. 20:36:25 tswett, thank you 20:36:41 Deewiant, you too 20:36:49 Phantom_Hoover: thank you 20:36:50 oerjan: you too 20:36:51 tswett, aren't you, on some level, fundamentally, platonically, Australian? 20:36:57 Phantom_Hoover: yep. 20:39:57 Phantom_Hoover: also filled with hope 21:05:36 oerjan: what precedence does (::) have? 21:06:06 it's not an operator, so somewhere <= -1 :P 21:06:43 oerjan: I'm just wondering how to write my Show instance :) 21:06:59 hmm 21:07:08 I guess unconditional showParen 21:07:12 but I don't want any parens shown at the top level 21:07:19 What's the showParen precedence given for a top level show? 21:07:22 ah, 0 21:07:39 @src show 21:07:40 show x = shows x "" 21:07:45 @src shows 21:07:46 Source not found. stty: unknown mode: doofus 21:07:46 showsPrec d x = showParen (d > 0) $ showString "renat :: " . showType x 21:07:48 I guess that should work 21:08:12 oerjan: 21:08:12 -- | equivalent to 'showsPrec' with a precedence of 0. 21:08:12 shows :: (Show a) => a -> ShowS 21:08:12 shows = showsPrec zeroInt 21:08:13 elliott: except that theoretically that would break for $ 21:08:18 oerjan: yes, indeed 21:08:23 can't have it every way :P 21:09:28 which actually means showsPrec is flawed even for just 0-9, hm 21:10:10 howso? 21:10:10 because if you mix infixr with infixl or infix of the same level, it cannot distinguish that they are not allowed 21:10:15 ah 21:21:17 grr, zzo 21:21:19 we have a template for that 21:21:32 elliott: wat 21:21:35 broken lists 21:21:36 links 21:21:42 he's just ing them 21:21:47 which is plain confusing to read, to boot 21:22:09 ah yes. and harder to search for, obviously. 21:22:13 indeed 21:22:24 http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Deadlink 21:22:26 happily small numebr 21:22:33 although obviously very incomplete 21:23:34 who's 69.72.75.139? 21:23:56 oerjan: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Computational_class#Isomorphism 21:23:58 madk i think 21:23:58 oerjan: Shall I rename? :-) 21:24:39 either that or someone obsessed with madk and his languages 21:25:08 http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Computational_class#Reduction 21:25:15 renamed (and added a note) 21:32:40 yay 21:33:43 oh WillMac looks like an idiot 21:33:53 too bad he's offline, i'd antagonise him 21:34:41 05:40:27: am i wrong for liking dissociative hallucinogens? 21:34:42 YES YOU ARE A TERRIBLE PERSON 21:34:45 Man what is this guy even doing 21:34:51 05:41:39: i guess i just enjoy losing my ego 21:34:51 05:41:54: i practice eastern religion 21:34:55 oh man this is g 21:34:55 05:42:10: and crowleyan magick 21:34:58 THIS IS PERFECT 21:35:00 this is the best thing ever 21:35:02 i love you willmac 21:35:06 oerjan: he is the perfect stumbler 21:35:08 perfect 21:35:13 what about the guy who thought this was a hiphop channel 21:35:19 also the perfect stumbler 21:35:21 he was also perfect 21:35:28 05:01:52: -!- WillMac has joined #esoteric. 21:35:29 [...]05:44:03: so this isnt a channel for esotericism? 21:35:33 almost a whole fucking hour 21:35:34 amazin 21:35:35 g 21:35:58 monqy: how long did hiphop guy take 21:36:03 I forget 21:36:10 05:45:48: Well its hard to find places 21:36:10 05:45:52: that are accepting of it 21:36:10 05:46:05: "GET THE FUCK OUT HIPPY" 21:36:10 05:46:12: "YOURE SCHIZO" 21:36:10 05:46:23: "THERES NO SUCH THING AS THE DIVINE" 21:36:12 I wasn't around for it I only read the logs too :( 21:36:16 but the logs were pretty long 21:36:21 i reject options one and two and pick option three 21:36:51 05:48:41: <-- dissociated emotional bi-sexual 21:36:51 wait does this mean that the <3s he was handing out represented true love 21:36:52 im missing out 21:37:31 08:33:27: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35890 21:37:31 08:33:40: Perhaps the best bug ever? 21:37:31 long-time fan of this one 21:37:32 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 21:38:01 almost a whole fucking hour <-- well there weren't a lot of other people talking then 21:38:02 https://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=68484 <-- this is definitely the best bit, I'd have loved to see gentoo remove gaim 21:38:09 iirc 21:38:16 "this is too funny, you've taken the crown of being the biggest jack ass I've 21:38:16 seen this year. well done, I think." --a gentoo developer 21:38:26 Gentoo developers calling people jackasses: great 21:38:26 it was a slow almost a fucking hour 21:38:34 I mean 21:38:37 it was a slow almost a whole fucking hour 21:38:38 sorry 21:38:41 "This has to be worst initial contact I think anybody could have made. 21:38:41 Not sure I expect much more out of somebody that codes for AOL software." 21:38:46 gaim is a tool of the aols 21:38:53 ""Lindows.com, a proud gaim supporter!" <- this could explain" 21:38:56 hahahahahaha oh wow 21:39:00 i forgot how amazing this is 21:39:24 "This is blasphemy, and just proves there are people with way to much time on 21:39:25 their hands. If you got a problem, don't bitch on bugzilla, we have better 21:39:25 things to do then listen to your incessant whining." 21:39:27 i reject options one and two and pick option three <-- darn, i was hoping you'd get slightly bad conscience 21:39:31 that was before the sparta meme 21:39:36 this guy is actually calling it blasphemy 21:40:15 oerjan: I'm all for people who actually believe in that stuff to have somewhere to discuss said nonsense, and I don't think they're idiots, bad people, or insane, but there is no such thing as the divine :P 21:40:55 I also don't think that #esoteric has any responsibility to support discussion of such things, since most of us don't care 21:41:06 I wouldn't fault someone who believed in esoterica discussing esolangs and general crap in here 21:41:21 but I doubt anyone who comes in discussing esoterica would actually be an expert #esoteric 21:41:59 Phantom_Hoover: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124595 this is a slightly less best bug report, but one that shows how shitty gentoo devs are 21:42:03 "> The package is still useless. The ebuilds in the other 21:42:03 > bug are still broken. 21:42:03 Why not submit a fixed one?" 21:42:04 : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) 21:42:14 i thought bugzilla existed to stop people responding to every request with PATCHES 21:42:50 17:02:25: * Phantom_Hoover concludes, after much testing, that Minecraft is not a world amenable to the scientific method. 21:42:50 Howso 21:43:47 elliott, experimental replication doesn't work. 21:43:55 Howso? 21:44:40 I built *exactly the same* device in three different places. 21:44:54 Only one of them worked the way I wanted it to. 21:46:40 X-D 21:46:42 Which device? 21:47:44 Piston door. 21:49:20 -!- Lymee has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 21:54:56 -!- Behold has joined. 21:55:32 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:57:15 Phantom_Hoover: hey that's just lack of position symmetry, nothing unscientific about that >:) 21:57:47 Kind of makes peer review difficult. 21:59:28 showSpace :: ShowS 21:59:28 showSpace = {-showChar ' '-} \ xs -> ' ' : xs 21:59:30 good optimisation 22:05:24 i wonder if (guess that?) ghc will inline showChar ' ' completely so it doesn't actually make a difference... 22:05:53 :t showChar 22:05:54 Char -> String -> String 22:06:36 -!- Lymee has joined. 22:08:32 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 5.0/20110615151330]). 22:23:47 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:26:15 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 22:37:50 -!- zzo38 has joined. 22:41:28 -!- MigoMipo_ has joined. 22:41:52 I have no idea what a bijective functor is, unless it is a band name or something. – Stephen Cagle yesterday 22:42:05 Phantom_Hoover: I'm forming a band do you want to join. 22:42:35 Curry Howard and the bijective functors 22:43:05 -!- MigoMipo_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:44:10 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:44:17 Under what conditions might a turing-complete language not have a quine? 22:44:31 Sgeo: No output. 22:44:43 If it doesn't have IO? 22:44:45 Ok, true 22:45:00 But I think it's more broad then that, I'm curious as to the exact limit 22:45:01 limits 22:45:12 If its IO is incompatible with the format it's encoded in? 22:45:32 Phantom_Hoover: You would then make up a new kind of quine if that is the case, I think. 22:45:42 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:45:43 However, you are correct anyways. 22:45:55 What's that language that if it doesn't start with ', is some IO-less language, and if it starts with ', just prints stuff after '? 22:46:28 Sgeo: Yes, then it is turing-complete and I/O, but it doesn't have turing-complete I/O. 22:46:29 Sgeo: It's the output equivalent of arbitrary effect at an arbitrary point 22:46:33 There's a formal definition for quines, but I've forgotten 22:47:01 hmm 22:47:03 Now you have to invent the term "Turing-complete I/O". 22:47:09 Sgeo: see our old discussion at http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:Smjg 22:47:12 "Any programming language which is Turing complete, and which is able to output any string (by a computable function of the string as program — this is a technical condition that is satisfied in every programming language in existence) has a quine program (and, in fact, infinitely many quine programs, and many similar curiosities) as follows by the fixed-point theorem." ;; meh, David Madore gets it wrong 22:47:18 Or, well, he uses "output any string" for "IO-complete" 22:47:31 I don't even know if anyone has a complete formal definition of that 22:47:39 "every programming language in existence" 22:47:39 Maybe it's one of CS' Great Unknown Unsolved Problems :) 22:48:00 Like the wire-crossing problem? 22:48:11 Yes. 22:48:11 And then also the other term "Compatible I/O", which means it can input/output a program in the same programming language. 22:48:20 i.e. half the solution is defining what the problem actually was? 22:50:32 Phantom_Hoover: Most likely. 22:51:55 If the programming language has all three features "Turing-complete", "Turing-complete I/O", "Compatible I/O", then figure out the conditions for making quine, narcissism, self-interpreter, etc 22:54:03 we have already had this discussion here elliott 22:54:26 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 22:54:57 quintopia: We've had every discussion here. 22:55:01 But until they're resolved... 22:55:18 zzo38: I still want the esoteric wiki to have a project to formally define a bunch of stuff that nobody's actually pinned down yet :) 22:55:22 Including Turing-completeness itself. 22:55:26 i mean we resolved it 22:55:42 -!- Sgeo has joined. 22:56:32 elliott, erm, TCness isn't well-defined? 22:56:40 elliott: Yes I would also want the wiki to have that stuff 22:57:08 isn't turing-completeness pretty much defined as "capable of representing any computable number"? 22:57:24 Phantom_Hoover: See 2,3 Turing machine, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Befunge/index.php 22:57:34 quintopia too. 22:57:45 Also: 22:57:47 oh 22:57:52 yeah that crap 22:58:02 i don't think the field's ever gonna agree 22:58:03 Grr, where is it. 22:58:09 elliott, that's on a different level of definition, I think. 22:58:19 Phantom_Hoover: http://esolangs.org/wiki/%E2%84%92 22:58:22 quintopia too. 22:58:22 well-defined: the 2,3 turing machine plus the initializing program is a turing-complete system 22:58:39 Phantom_Hoover: That's just a way of ignoring that there's no clear definition. 22:58:44 See http://esolangs.org/wiki/%E2%84%92 too. 22:59:51 elliott, well, OK, but the problem isn't really that it's *ill* defined, just that there are two definitions in common use that happen to coincide most of the time. 23:00:17 Phantom_Hoover: Yes, but those definitions themselves aren't clear; see 2,3. 23:00:49 elliott, remind me what its deal is? 23:01:05 elliott: i think it's agreed as to what it means for a computational system, from the atomic level upward, to be TC. on the other hand, it may be meaningless to say that a particular /language/ is TC in that same sense. the latter is the one missing a definition. 23:01:23 TCness is afaict perfectly well defined for the subset of systems where input and output have a reasonable finite encoding (e.g. as strings of symbols over a finite alphabet) 23:01:26 Phantom_Hoover: It requires a sub-Turing machine to produce its initial input. 23:01:31 Phantom_Hoover: Which is infinite, and non-repeating. 23:01:36 (The proof, that is.) 23:01:47 elliott, ah. 23:02:08 There are ways to construct a system whereby two Turing-incomplete machines can be plugged into one another and produce a Turing-complete system, so it's not clear that the 2,3 machine itself has been proved TC. 23:02:20 At the same time, the system that generates the initial input can be /really/ low-powered. 23:02:27 The 2,3 machine does basically all the "work". 23:05:54 we know what set of problems a TC machine can solve. that is well-defined. and so, "the set of systems capable of solving those problems" is also well-defined 23:06:10 we just don't know how to determine the members of that class 23:06:30 quintopia: actually i'd say the word "system" is the major vague one there 23:06:41 sure 23:07:00 because we are talking about inventions limited only by creativity 23:07:04 if we had a definition of that, we'd surely be able to say "this is in the class, and that isn't" 23:07:30 we know what they have to be able to do. we just don't know what they are. 23:07:38 the 2,3-machine being one way to escape the simple case of languages over strings (for which everything is completely well-defined) 23:07:43 it's like reverse-engineering 23:08:09 itos :: Int# -> String -> String 23:08:09 itos n# cs 23:08:09 | n# <# 0# = 23:08:09 let !(I# minInt#) = minInt in 23:08:09 if n# ==# minInt# 23:08:10 *of strings 23:08:10 -- negateInt# minInt overflows, so we can't do that: 23:08:12 then '-' : itos' (negateInt# (n# `quotInt#` 10#)) 23:08:14 (itos' (negateInt# (n# `remInt#` 10#)) cs) 23:08:16 else '-' : itos' (negateInt# n#) cs 23:08:18 | otherwise = itos' n# cs 23:08:20 where 23:08:22 itos' :: Int# -> String -> String 23:08:24 itos' x# cs' 23:08:26 | x# <# 10# = C# (chr# (ord# '0'# +# x#)) : cs' 23:08:30 | otherwise = case chr# (ord# '0'# +# (x# `remInt#` 10#)) of { c# -> 23:08:30 Yes, these are one kind of category of esolang, which is, ones dealing with computational classes in some new way 23:08:32 itos' (x# `quotInt#` 10#) (C# c# : cs') } 23:10:04 I have also discussed in here before, what might be the computational class and other stuff about BlooP+REDPROGRAM or FlooP+REDPROGRAM (what BlooP, FlooP, GlooP, REDPROGRAM, means, is described in Hofstadter's book) 23:10:20 elliott: that's some special case on minint :P 23:11:18 Also see [[Oozlybub and Murphy]]. 23:11:39 zzo38: banana scheme and brainhype too 23:11:56 oerjan: Yes, those too. 23:12:35 *Main> re :: Re (Z :- S Z :- S (S Z) :- Nil) 23:12:35 ReZ ::- (ReS ReZ ::- (ReS (ReS ReZ) ::- ReNil)) 23:12:35 *Main> re :: Re (Z :- S Z :- S (S Z) :- True :- Nil) 23:12:35 :1:1: 23:12:35 Couldn't match type `TBool' with `TNat' 23:12:38 me am play gods 23:12:43 * oerjan realizes itos prime would be a nice scifi name 23:12:56 Itos Prime and the Curry Howardly Bijective Functors 23:13:09 cowardly hurried 23:13:39 Clearly it's a character from SuperTuring. 23:14:05 *Main> :t typeOf (re :: Re Nil) 23:14:05 typeOf (re :: Re Nil) :: Nope (TList a) 23:14:05 *Main> :t typeOf (re :: Re (True :- Nil)) 23:14:05 typeOf (re :: Re (True :- Nil)) :: Nope (TList TBool) 23:14:26 Phantom_Hoover: or possibly a planet. wait, a sentient planet. 23:14:45 oerjan, OF COURSE 23:15:49 oerjan: one camp is always going to say "if you take away this part, then what's left can't do the things a TC system should, therefore, what's left is not TC." other people are always gonna say "But what's left is the part doing all the real work!" It's same thing with the two register minsky machine. it's only TC if you are willing to allow unusual encoding of input. 23:16:44 * Sgeo manages to only embarrass himself in two non-here channels 23:16:54 quintopia: um as i said, the TCness of languages of strings is the baseline. and that includes minsky machines by simple encoding. 23:17:42 quintopia: Which says not only unclearness of TC, but also that TC is not necessarily sufficient. 23:18:18 oerjan: it's only a metaphor. the fact that you need a separate system to encode your input to the minsky tarpit, and would not be able to make a UTM in it without that 23:18:44 Sgeo, so that's three out of...? 23:18:55 quintopia: the separation of input from program is an unnecessary complication >:) 23:18:57 Phantom_Hoover, what? 23:19:10 Phantom_Hoover, I'm talking about a single event, where I didn't ask my stupid question in here 23:19:15 Ah. 23:19:18 quintopia: the separation of input from program is an unnecessary complication >:) 23:19:22 tempted to paste this to my non-programmer friend 23:19:27 "Here's your OS IT ONLY DOES ONE THING." 23:21:42 -!- copumpkin has joined. 23:21:42 -!- copumpkin has quit (Changing host). 23:21:42 -!- copumpkin has joined. 23:22:11 The SQLite C interface includes three-star pointers for some functions. 23:22:12 MWAHAHAHA WE KNOW HIS REAL HOST 23:22:48 oerjan: Does it matter? 23:23:07 yes. now we can kill him. 23:23:30 zzo38: not really, but it makes cloaks seem relatively useless when people do that mistake all the time 23:24:07 of course maybe he's just having a cloak for esthetic reasons. 23:24:29 oerjan: Then why do people do that mistake all the time? I don't have a cloak but still have never made such a mistake. 23:24:49 Can't you learn better? 23:25:41 zzo38: well the mistake only happens because of the cloak, so obviously you won't have done it 23:27:03 Still, I can see when the login is recognized. Is that what causes it? 23:27:17 yes afaiu 23:27:59 that's when the cloak will be added 23:28:16 Then probably it is synchronizing problem? 23:28:19 yeah 23:29:38 Tell them, that, if you want cloak you should check if the login is recognized before sending the JOIN command. 23:30:28 (I have actually asked for a cloak, but the one I asked for is not one their software supports, I think. Or something like that.) 23:33:42 (What I asked is that if the computer I am connecting from is named "zzo38computer.cjb.net", that the cloak is also set to that name. They were unable to do that.) 23:35:05 huh. 23:41:10 -!- augur has joined. 23:57:12 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection).