< 1309478755 352554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best kind of nough < 1309478864 319483 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nough (Persian: نوق) is a small village in Rafsanjan, south of Iran in the province of Kerman." < 1309478897 311586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forged in angel hellfire < 1309480558 563129 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :baahahahs < 1309480597 866889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga is weird < 1309480605 892651 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*drunk < 1309480626 102093 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming those 16 girls mentioned above actually exist < 1309480704 770114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now now, he's not cheater < 1309480724 39460 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...are we _sure_ of that? < 1309480736 575836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nobody could be good enough at rping a shithead to be cheater < 1309480743 217906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cheater could never be anyone who isn't a shithead < 1309480744 298003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i think yes < 1309480754 458169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: if you're cheater, you're an excellent actor, put this talent to good use < 1309480864 986037 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, who is to say nooga actually wrote that. there are 17 (18?) possible suspects... < 1309480923 835358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dun dun DUN < 1309480924 80088 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1309480937 415553 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT A MINUTE < 1309480942 976407 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've spotted a hole in this story < 1309480953 787535 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1309480966 264501 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: BUSTED < 1309480966 803891 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no women in Poland.~ < 1309480975 218018 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: SCRATCH THAT < 1309480982 97937 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1309480991 730522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=723&bih=717&q=women%20in%20poland&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=3049l4153l0l15l6l0l0l0l0l176l176l0.1l1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi < 1309480993 440723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :none whatsoever < 1309481014 754905 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those women could be from anywhere < 1309481022 188917 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them are just stock photos, anyway < 1309481024 456713 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1309481059 326472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :proven < 1309481095 939871 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemma: All women from Poland are stock photo models. < 1309481130 771399 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen putative polish women. admittedly they were in norway, not poland. maybe they've all left. < 1309481147 645332 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, with men like 'nooga' around, it's hardly a wonder < 1309481249 843955 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does using the -m option of the "setfont" program in Linux also set the keyboard input map? Even though I am trying to set output only map. < 1309481271 774671 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric, indeed < 1309481315 794507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This supposed ... ``nooga'' < 1309481318 239556 :tclifton!~tclifton@212.101.233.220.static.exetel.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1309481318 754911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--NihilistDandy < 1309481327 545822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh tclifton looks new, should we lynch him now or later or... < 1309481341 473919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also hi) < 1309481354 11246 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pays down the rope
< 1309481363 395323 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long i gotta stay in this tree? < 1309481368 553339 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd if=/dev/mem bs=1 count=2048 skip=`dd if=/dev/mem bs=1 count=4 skip=268 | od -t u1 | awk 'NR==1{print $5*0x1000+$4*0x10+$3*0x100+$2*0x1}'` of=rom8x8font < 1309481375 378814 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This part works < 1309481382 893262 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you decrementing me, commenting me, or attributing that to me? :D < 1309481389 645362 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :setfont -v rom8x8font # This part also works < 1309481400 195377 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seq 0 127 | awk '{print ($0+128) " " $0}' > G1consolemap # And this one < 1309481408 358197 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep '^[0-9]' < $0 >> G1consolemap # And also this one < 1309481452 856842 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :setfont -u /dev/null -m G1consolemap; kbd_mode -a; echo -e '\e%@\e(U\e)K' # This seems to set the keyboard map too even though I am trying to set output map only! < 1309481464 330275 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please tell me why? < 1309481470 484340 :tclifton!~tclifton@212.101.233.220.static.exetel.com.au PART :#esoteric < 1309481549 394916 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, pushing some of the keys causes it to input the wrong characters (but it works if using the number pad or using ALT+numbers) < 1309481554 875150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip tclifton < 1309481570 195998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Are you decrementing me, commenting me, or attributing that to me? :D < 1309481571 128961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :latter < 1309481577 856357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you totally said "* tclifton (~tclifton@212.101.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has joined #esoteric" < 1309481602 354340 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all my fault < 1309481936 67392 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah < 1309481939 628380 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw you < 1309481940 889498 :tibuda!~tibuda@201.17.105.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309481949 556123 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy is a nolife < 1309481961 363069 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PART :#esoteric < 1309481965 401393 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1309481968 195687 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye nooga hi nooga < 1309481976 6686 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pg dn does not work < 1309481983 416610 :tibuda!~tibuda@201.17.105.172 PART :#esoteric < 1309481989 82081 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye tibuda < 1309482111 171970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: you're a nolife < 1309482235 778674 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so < 1309482341 954935 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhhhh < 1309482436 211531 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it feel good < 1309482563 485120 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. I thirst for attention, and tiny validation I get everytime someone highlights me is the only thing that keeps me going in the vortex of depression that is my existence. < 1309482575 652054 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1309482589 104463 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nolife nolife < 1309482617 477305 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feels good, man < 1309482777 262924 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know why setting the console map does that? < 1309482786 967692 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how to prevent it? < 1309482832 498920 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You might find more input on #linux < 1309482833 243068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: < 1309482833 923042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: < 1309482834 552408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: < 1309482834 999483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: < 1309482836 646747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur welcum < 1309482848 8540 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE... THE POWER! < 1309482855 455100 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nolife power < 1309482889 193319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i read nooga and monqy as the same from "hhhhh" < 1309482914 213289 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I will try. < 1309482994 639508 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1309483083 823537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :carbon < 1309483394 527066 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not germanium to the discussion < 1309483589 417283 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No need to get fermium with poor elliott < 1309483661 538726 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sodium. < 1309483758 538453 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he speaks like that he just has to sulphur the consequences. < 1309483833 761617 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :berp < 1309483869 509656 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose he'll just have to grin and barium < 1309483927 786404 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :polonium < 1309483948 355067 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be so niobium < 1309483967 529340 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not precisely fluoride prose < 1309483984 59797 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fluorine < 1309484029 927019 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbibium < 1309484030 776548 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't radon my parade < 1309484036 613187 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like breathing oxygen. < 1309484097 705063 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: how boron < 1309484126 511307 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :carbon, hydrogen, oxygen < 1309484144 335421 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had some < 1309484172 605815 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how iron-nickel < 1309484203 694962 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn oerjan is the master of puns < 1309484206 521155 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1309484216 156166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309484220 201242 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they're all gold < 1309484241 161942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1309484248 536819 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: seen that? < 1309484253 174935 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nobelium effort < 1309484282 531850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: seen what < 1309484299 122903 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:35 < oerjan> how iron-nickel < 1309484299 463567 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:36 < nooga> goddamn oerjan is the master of puns < 1309484304 80310 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:36 < oerjan> yeah they're all gold < 1309484314 252558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1309484323 757769 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pun war pun war < 1309484340 916858 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, where will this lead < 1309484352 589538 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god i understand this games < 1309484363 147027 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that < 1309484394 211799 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always good to have a silver of understanding < 1309484479 462541 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have your head on a platinum < 1309484549 938321 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And either cut out your tungsten or feed you to the wolfram < 1309484596 532873 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're making a mercury of this < 1309484615 574138 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you speak manganese < 1309484634 907577 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drop the actinium or hit the rhodium < 1309484635 128393 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no just francium < 1309484650 675376 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga is a serial arsenic < 1309484680 726038 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an antimony... < 1309484682 109185 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1309484694 755628 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :iron < 1309484695 106611 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1309484736 776717 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't know the hafnium < 1309484764 240680 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to californium < 1309484863 553543 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how tin < 1309484865 26507 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silicon Valley? < 1309484878 601746 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can has Google+
< 1309484887 598831 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i die < 1309484889 881212 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: as in you do or you want? < 1309484907 274728 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I do. < 1309484910 330673 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can has bed
< 1309484914 769870 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now < 1309484918 722235 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1309484930 945781 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a single fundamental problem with this: invite only sucks. < 1309484933 25246 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the pun war is cesium < 1309484940 827075 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PART :#esoteric < 1309484971 165454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: invite only social network #badideas < 1309484997 624987 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the helium can begin < 1309485020 702130 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's still in rollout phase. right now you can invite people by sharing with their email address < 1309485045 93320 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Except that they're at capacity right now < 1309485053 412411 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange, I literally *just* got an invite. < 1309485058 285841 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And am on. < 1309485062 512474 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wow < 1309485068 812048 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the situation's changed in the last few hours < 1309485070 805048 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're doing rate limiting < 1309485082 762477 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you F5 the link your invite has, you'll get a slot < 1309485090 523503 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so I am told < 1309485096 137938 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is hearsay < 1309485105 918170 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should test it < 1309485109 509546 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Invite people < 1309485134 403655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hey give me an invite i will add nobody < 1309485135 145418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1309485136 329311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no friends < 1309485169 326671 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :T_T < 1309485180 320752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will add you though because < 1309485181 520714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you invite me < 1309485182 793864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will be < 1309485183 692759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first < 1309485185 831408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :friend ;_______; < 1309485236 63922 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1309485257 50417 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because elliott is ugly with his 1 meter wide mouth < 1309485269 958061 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What was your email again? < 1309485284 339342 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ostrichofhell@microsoft.com < 1309485295 663027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: penguinofthegods@gmail.com < 1309485724 254889 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309485724 552238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309485741 746126 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh thanks first friend :)))) < 1309485748 265816 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google may use my information to personalize content and ads on non-Google web sites. < 1309485750 546198 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee what a checkbox < 1309485778 640154 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good checkbox < 1309485825 296677 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's there < 1309485829 889313 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAKING MY FIRST COMMENT ZOMG I SPECIAL < 1309485838 911509 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keeping Facebook out of my business is a bitch < 1309485973 105159 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error saving profile. Please enter valid start and end years. < 1309485975 401349 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg it erased all my hard work < 1309486008 310717 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :start and end years what < 1309486021 740650 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for al lmy various employments < 1309486026 35980 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft,ibm,sun microsystems.....spies.... < 1309486044 160095 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :employed in the future < 1309486045 573367 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :year abc < 1309486055 66217 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interface to this is ok < 1309486062 804261 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god i can add agora-business < 1309486065 997329 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...tempting... < 1309486074 222551 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the interface seems to show at least some polish. < 1309486146 124433 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes pikhq realised what he signed up for when he added me... to his CIRCLES...
< 1309486159 76046 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man i am already in other peoples' cirlces < 1309486174 101295 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: The nice thing is, I can partition you off from other people. >:D < 1309486204 251733 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders: Can you stop people in certain circles from seeing that you have people in other circles? for instance, I can see that pikhq has Steven Wallace in a circle
< 1309486217 88391 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like crossing the streams :( unless steven wallace is some other internet person you added i guess < 1309486268 111484 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steven Wallace is a good friend of mine that I originally know from the Internet. < 1309486277 722958 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i in the same circle < 1309486284 468168 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry if you didn't want me to say his name i'm tired < 1309486292 589915 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No big. < 1309486298 980517 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's been in here a couple of times. < 1309486312 755026 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when I was doing Dimensifuck, IIRC) < 1309486312 903557 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, is he in a different circle? because it'd suck if you could see all the terrible people that bug me < 1309486316 744956 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: above is joke but yeah) < 1309486322 853291 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's in a different circle ATM. < 1309486337 894433 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so i can see people in your other circles... that worries me, I wonder how you can stop that < 1309486341 331425 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds so... circular < 1309486354 383019 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. < 1309486359 174687 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, it has data liberation in the settings < 1309486370 501634 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me like the partitioning really need to be a bit... More. < 1309486386 389646 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i can hide people in my circles altogether < 1309486406 289155 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imperfect, but workable. < 1309486482 742609 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bragging rights - Examples: survived high school, have 3 kids, etc." < 1309486485 597234 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :contravarsial, google < 1309486493 308877 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very nice < 1309486529 544571 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have 42 kids, most of which survived high school < 1309486707 345000 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Each post has an indicator that summarizes who the post is shared with (Public, Limited, and so on). Click the indicator for details about who the post is shared with. Remember that anyone a post is shared with can see all comments to that post, who else it's shared with, and share the post with others." < 1309486714 470793 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like there should be a way to segregate off comments from various circles < 1309486730 368772 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe i should just have two accounts with my kind of total internet segregation practices) < 1309486768 498280 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you edit the sharing of a post... < 1309487978 801035 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh no all my friends will think im frainds with an insane man called elliott < 1309488755 191561 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309490669 543807 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309490712 182848 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (0:1:) < 1309490713 37656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `:' [infixr 5] of a section < 1309490713 194763 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower precedence than that of the operand, < 1309490713 343602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : namely `:' [infixr 5] < 1309490723 110009 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a shame. < 1309490728 936456 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of my haskell wishes < 1309490766 775460 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you even call it? "better sections"? < 1309490790 180835 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sections with associativity? < 1309490800 149260 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MultiOperatorSections < 1309490812 542706 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (+ 3 - 4) < 1309490813 339841 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `+' [infixl 6] of a section < 1309490813 491385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower precedence than that of the operand, < 1309490813 639961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : namely `-' [infixl 6] < 1309490815 739673 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. yes. < 1309490835 457992 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with IdiomBrackets and MLModules :) < 1309490854 271725 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like IdiotBrackets hurrrr < 1309490873 322063 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you even know what idiombrackets are < 1309490881 236930 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't actually know what idiom brackets are.
< 1309490888 542834 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :read you some conor mcbride, fool < 1309491069 931599 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-178.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1309491083 495017 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are idiom brackets the things that do (pure f <*> a1 <*> a2 <*> ... <*> an) < 1309491093 388166 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do they do more than that < 1309491102 516405 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're that, yes < 1309491107 409849 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she implements them < 1309491128 464609 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conor mcbride makes me want a twitter < 1309491130 845408 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to get his tweets < 1309491143 403475 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is it like a overloaded thing? < 1309491144 184480 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is she any good then? < 1309491158 756959 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: uh. no. < 1309491161 103207 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I know about it is it's a haskell preprocessor thing does idiom brackets < 1309491163 213448 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309491169 514114 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the rest < 1309491180 773958 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes it's great, it also lifts data to constructorless datatypes, emulating datakinds < 1309491187 432666 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmm < 1309491197 701520 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :read < 1309491199 178512 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/~conor/pub/she/faking.html < 1309491199 710917 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/~conor/pub/she/pi.html < 1309491201 861473 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll make you happy < 1309491207 798736 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and http://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/~conor/pub/she/idiom.html < 1309491214 868897 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the idiom one earlier today < 1309491229 782122 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :constructorless, you say? < 1309491245 704907 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate constructors so I'll probably like this < 1309491251 999852 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the only features apart from that are http://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/~conor/pub/she/patsy.html and http://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/~conor/pub/she/higpig.html < 1309491256 136175 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is that srs, what's wrong with constructors < 1309491256 487010 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, I hate messes of nested constructors < 1309491280 466153 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to form complex structures) < 1309491296 67729 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: scrap your boilerplate could help there < 1309491306 207974 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by letting you abstract your data traversal to avoid explicit pattern matching < 1309491315 914372 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. everywhere lets you just apply a function everywhere in a structure where it's well-typed < 1309491326 911429 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm that sounds nice < 1309491332 167766 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ofc you can define your own traversal strategies with the basic tools < 1309491336 817944 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/syb try it < 1309491358 138354 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b634b.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309491364 108142 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see also the http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/base/4.3.1.0/doc/html/Data-Data.html module from base that it's based upon, dunno why the rest of syb isn't in base) < 1309491365 541384 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but that part is) < 1309491422 162189 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will read eventually < 1309491444 341198 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my reading list is a bit too big so I'll have to read some stuff soon < 1309491452 930771 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just read mcbride tweets first, they'll make you all happy < 1309491462 626550 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my reading list is a bunch of open tabs it's really messy) < 1309491508 233904 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A Gentle Introduction to Category Theory" ;; this title sure doesn't bode well < 1309491517 239034 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Heh, heh... yes, it is rather brutal, but unfortunately it is the easiest-to-understand on-line tutorial I've found so far." < 1309491521 416270 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, i was right < 1309491804 197796 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hatred of distros is probably a bit too far ATM. < 1309491812 215856 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment I'm even thinking LFS does everything wrong. < 1309491817 996443 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And LFS does hardly anything! < 1309491824 227412 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1309491832 594048 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter05/chapter05.html This is at least 50 lines too long. < 1309491872 834188 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should read "Binutils, GCC, Linux headers, glibc, Busybox". < 1309491942 983032 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice how binutils and gcc each have two passes < 1309491956 200695 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pointless cargo culting. < 1309491983 100624 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, GCC has *4* passes. < 1309491985 550141 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This system will contain just enough tools to start constructing the final LFS system in Chapter 6 and allow a working environment with more user convenience than a minimum environment would." < 1309491986 968316 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first build bootstraps. < 1309491996 921674 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicious < 1309491998 934601 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: They lie. < 1309492007 813480 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Busybox would be much more comfortable. < 1309492015 395997 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why's that < 1309492031 5672 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Busybox is, surprisingly, a fairly full-featured userspace. < 1309492050 316643 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :busybox sucks tho < 1309492063 572595 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it beats GNU. < 1309492090 289831 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if there was an actually good coreutils < 1309492175 5711 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1309492176 619096 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did i find one < 1309492177 157683 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1309492202 507925 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So just do it with busybox? < 1309492207 627794 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: second build is to do the other half of the bootstrap right? < 1309492213 1328 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Yeah. < 1309492230 85802 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No, it's to make a GCC linked against your new libc. < 1309492240 471713 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My feeling on the whole LFS thing was "Here are some neat instructions, but do whatever the hell you want." < 1309492249 389998 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh dear < 1309492257 431363 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I built two of them, and I never followed everything to the letter < 1309492257 936876 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you, it's fucking cargo cult. < 1309492285 558278 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're a Linux user who's content following directions because the internet told you to, you deserve the cargo cult < 1309492298 369425 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or any *NIX, for that matter < 1309492308 388010 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pop quiz: What are the complexities of many common (codepoint-based) operations on a structure which consists of a raw block of UTF-8 bytes, plus another list as long as the number of codepoints with offsets into the string saying where those codepoints start? < 1309492335 839359 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. inserting into the middle < 1309492363 593313 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n^2)? < 1309492400 188872 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION didn't even read the question
< 1309492414 233358 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how did you invite me btw < 1309492416 303919 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: gj < 1309492422 957809 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I sent you a message. < 1309492435 644931 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It autoinvites people that you send messages to. < 1309492438 830721 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw by raw block I actually meant like a cord srtucture or whatever) < 1309492440 252491 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nice < 1309492459 603517 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Message, please? :D < 1309492465 339406 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: How far off was I? < 1309492551 990010 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: dunno, it's me asking you guys < 1309492588 397562 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: does it have to be just them? < 1309492613 919293 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I dunno, maybe? < 1309493095 982278 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The problem is right there. Always has been. People who think that < 1309493096 169211 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :userspace filesystems are realistic for anything but toys are just < 1309493096 169306 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :misguided." < 1309493098 152594 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, linus is wrong < 1309493100 117589 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rare < 1309493226 889902 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1309493478 442246 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bioinformatics.org/benchmark/results.html < 1309493487 59180 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why these programs are generally faster in Windows... < 1309493613 265612 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheduling etc.? < 1309493641 540293 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd need more information to say. < 1309493655 56631 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i mentioned < 1309493669 197755 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ @ @ is great < 1309493669 346745 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ we all appreciate < 1309493672 731576 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the odds are good glibc is to blame. < 1309493723 735144 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ has no libc < 1309493725 216509 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ @ @ < 1309493734 411784 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ < 1309493759 333475 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)_:) < 1309493762 769184 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:_(: < 1309493767 460767 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)_(: < 1309493769 592070 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:_:) < 1309493790 734919 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to find a Perl vs Python benchmark that isn't a) lacking in information b) biased towards one language in some way
< 1309493797 751594 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not finding anything.. < 1309493801 783014 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://graphcomp.com/pogl.cgi?v=0111s3B2 < 1309493813 88453 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this site obviously has a bias towards Perl... < 1309493819 390075 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :benchmarking languages < 1309493822 858892 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>youlose.jpg < 1309493860 529948 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benchmarking languages is the wrong question. < 1309493976 195958 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, Stephen Colbert is now a so-called "Super PAC". < 1309493999 542429 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome < 1309494006 766179 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSOV awesome < 1309494008 296660 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that he is personally a lobbying organisation that can be handed infinite amounts of money by corporations. < 1309494013 226120 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally. < 1309494016 237156 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well, considering both Python and Perl both have one major implementation, this isn't unreasonable. < 1309494037 998656 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :US politics has devolved into comedy. < 1309494046 273097 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Still not comparing language speed. < 1309494049 36165 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Have you seen the "serious" Super PACs? < 1309494051 586309 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementation speed, perhaps, but hey. < 1309494053 269075 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: No. < 1309494058 878536 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: they're not even real languages, there is no definition < 1309494062 956074 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, I'll find some links < 1309494067 565309 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: what? < 1309494085 53507 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Here's the Perl spec. "What /bin/perl does." < 1309494092 703809 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Here's the Python spec. "What /bin/python does." < 1309494100 214052 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this some trivial formalism thing you guys are talking about? If so, I don't care about that. < 1309494102 421514 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just shitty. < 1309494118 563034 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Python is actually interpreter-is-correct? I thought it was spec-based < 1309494123 177096 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also Perl 6 has a spec < 1309494125 711394 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's a messy one < 1309494129 541164 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv_WG0v_kO0 < 1309494132 201774 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Show me the definition of Python. < 1309494135 442729 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Show me the definition of Perl. < 1309494150 413613 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any inconsistency in Perl between docs and program is officially a bug in the docs < 1309494152 599787 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ad released by "Turn Right USA", another Super PAC < 1309494153 297387 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Perl 5 < 1309494154 736408 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you point to an implementation, then you're saying that the language has defined segfaults < 1309494169 742107 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably NSFW, and definitely unsafe for nonracists < 1309494201 339095 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Python has a grammar spec. Does that count? < 1309494228 631436 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1309494233 162893 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1309494233 831544 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Non-officially; they don't even go so far as to say "the implementation is correct". < 1309494243 304487 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python, de jure, DNE. < 1309494306 342650 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say this http://docs.python.org/reference/ is pretty close to being a spec. < 1309494362 943722 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Documentation != spec. < 1309494394 6053 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1309494433 46659 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no such thing as a compliant Python interpreter. < 1309494435 809878 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I would say in the case of TeX, the program book and documentation book together make up a specification of how standard TeX should work < 1309494444 732475 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes that document not a language specification? < 1309494454 288543 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: It is not considered authoritative < 1309494461 432498 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...k? < 1309494466 717663 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone could implement that document entirely and it would not necessarily be considered correct < 1309494482 265441 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are only interpreters which happen to execute input similarly to the "CPython" program. < 1309494510 444799 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well, it would be missing the standard library. < 1309494537 473787 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: And certainly not be bug-for-bug compliant. < 1309494569 299014 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you know if it is correct or not? And what if there is some ambiguous things mentioned in the document? < 1309494587 458918 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but this has nothing to do with benchmarking the most commonly used implementation of a language. < 1309494621 602135 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does, because there is no language. < 1309494621 793209 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just something to be picky about.. < 1309494635 445457 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are only interpreters < 1309494660 910108 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, we are just being picky. < 1309494666 544435 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't make it any better. < 1309494671 402450 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means they're not languages, though < 1309494701 209550 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an entire set of documentation on the language, standard libraries, and grammar of the CPython implementation that is considered standard for any practical purpose. I don't see why it matters that it's not called a specification. < 1309494760 433772 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the implementation violated the documentation (not in an obviously buggy way like segfaulting), which would be fixed? < 1309494772 581225 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't answer "the implementation, no question whatsoever", then it is not a specification. < 1309494809 432593 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is one purpose to use literate programming; is so you do not have this problem. < 1309494844 877970 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible? < 1309494848 702366 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..but you can't say "there is no Python language" as a result. < 1309494850 988390 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1309494871 885037 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there clearly is one. It is documented to exist. < 1309494889 615769 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is "the CPython interpreter's behavior". < 1309494892 337832 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, there's a program < 1309494894 38420 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats python < 1309494898 820025 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its called cpython < 1309494903 453937 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thanks < 1309494903 776874 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres some other programs that try to imitate it < 1309494905 587840 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no language < 1309494909 782367 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To create a "Python" interpreter, one is imitating CPython. < 1309494910 836718 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can't say "there is no Python language" as a result unless perhaps you have some philosophy and you are being very philosophical about it then you might prefer to say there is no such thing, maybe....... maybe not...... < 1309494913 272741 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...this is a completely pointless discussion. I am done. < 1309494921 756558 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: We're being philosophical about it. < 1309494925 506383 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language specified by what cpython does < 1309494952 346501 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang, Congress is even more disfunctional than usual. < 1309494964 134477 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 bills have passed this year. < 1309494970 722568 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad bills? < 1309494985 352697 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, utterly trivial bills. < 1309494988 603305 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1309494989 313512 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 of them name buildings. < 1309494994 885531 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow what < 1309494996 875573 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.e-pig.org/epilogue/?p=955 i never understand mcbride, but he always makes me happy < 1309495005 957808 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and the other three? < 1309495011 856433 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: name horses < 1309495021 192419 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: this man-crush is becoming somewhat eerie. < 1309495024 51187 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you can be philosophical about it, or whatever else you want to be about it; especially, this is esoteric programming channel, but even in non-esoteric programming you can think about such things for whatever reason whatsoever, even. < 1309495040 456406 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man-crush is that when one man crushes another man < 1309495052 669107 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :es < 1309495053 929876 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :murder is okay when it's manly < 1309495054 78596 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes < 1309495058 92075 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some definition of crush < 1309495059 700762 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: haha < 1309495063 493256 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i just had the tab open < 1309495066 4907 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to crushing on him < 1309495069 689945 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he linked to the new e-pig post < 1309495070 48549 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1309495070 409991 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1309495087 204108 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you dream about conor mcbride < 1309495110 904389 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1309495120 831094 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to go into his house and take off his skin and wear it and become him < 1309495129 488502 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make yourself happy < 1309495133 448626 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all by yourself < 1309495134 880154 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Acts_of_the_112th_United_States_Congress < 1309495181 952386 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I just don't see how not making a spec for a language /invalids all benchmarking ever/. Which was how this topic started. < 1309495193 847234 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*invalidates < 1309495202 574404 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're travelling fast towards default. < 1309495206 361837 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha benchmarking < 1309495210 516365 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA "The end of economy". < 1309495227 490962 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry I pretty much just got back but why do you want benchmarking < 1309495234 222849 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't benchmarking an implementation thing anyway < 1309495245 703401 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you were talking about benchmarking the implementations of a language < 1309495247 870930 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is no such language < 1309495265 416683 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I will never say Python again. < 1309495271 856690 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this depends on the definition of language doesnt it < 1309495272 34465 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it does not exist. < 1309495277 114597 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: It doesn't (with the exception of a few kinds of philosophical ideas) but it is helpful. But benchmarking is helpful for implementation mostly is in fact correct. But can be compared < 1309495280 29848 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can say python < 1309495283 296452 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't refer to it as a language < 1309495295 261568 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if languages can be specified by the behavior of a program then yeah python is a language < 1309495308 118121 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a specification that nobody believes < 1309495309 570963 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know why? < 1309495316 31320 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people report bugs in the python program for implementing Python wrong < 1309495318 427805 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, the program "python" and the "python" snake and the "Monty Python" and so on < 1309495322 218867 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, yesterday I wrote a program in the python interpreter. It was not a programming language. I just programmed thin air. < 1309495322 902571 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this behaviour is incorrect", etc. < 1309495326 668572 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheheheheheehehe < 1309495342 508836 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you programmed a Python program. but Python is not a programming language. < 1309495353 774810 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is a human language < 1309495362 682114 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for communicating between humans < 1309495365 60570 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the Python program was written in nothingness. Python is pretty mystical sometimes. < 1309495367 34576 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yes, it does make difficult. Is it just the idea of the people who have programmed it, or the collective? So, one could say either the document or implementation might be the wrong one possibly? < 1309495370 698981 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I count 23 < 1309495378 952404 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yeah, I got a miscount. < 1309495383 20079 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still utterly ridiculous. < 1309495397 409748 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: They could both be wrong. < 1309495404 341756 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also I definitely do not see 15 for naming buildings < 1309495407 370438 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If van Rossum says so. < 1309495419 556034 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: So further research told me I was wrong? < 1309495424 449637 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, python is a language whose spec is a physical brain < 1309495426 65902 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes maybe they could both be wrong. Maybe. (It is, again, another kind of philosophical idea) < 1309495429 237220 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Still. Utterly ridiculous. < 1309495453 759716 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Slightly less philosophical, because Python runs on the benevolent dictator model. < 1309495463 129498 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a while since I've done anything in python. I don't think I've ever used any of its really fancy features either. those things are spooky. < 1309495481 835065 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Perhaps. OK. < 1309495493 855167 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What kind of realy fancy features? < 1309495500 266045 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno I forgot them all < 1309495517 595101 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're probably really simple too but they spook me out < 1309495520 793606 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often wonder what language I'm writing in when I write a Python program. It is deeply confusing to me. This conversation has clarified things for me. < 1309495540 326891 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done two things in Python. I wrote some solitaire card games and I have modified a drive wipe script for FreeGeek Vancouver. < 1309495540 475926 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i write my python programs in perl btw < 1309495567 53134 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: !!!!??? < 1309495581 30285 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait perl doesn't exist either < 1309495581 547484 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1309495625 954980 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I really am confused about what language I'm writing in when I write a Python program. < 1309495628 776472 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deeply confused. < 1309495664 304984 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only you had some kind of document that described the language to you. A document that may in fact be subject to change in the future. < 1309495685 16956 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stick to SKI, then. At least that's a mathematical fact. < 1309495685 828062 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a formal specification? < 1309495688 891727 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the language changes, for whatever reason. These things are ephemeral. < 1309495706 935524 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ephemeral sucks < 1309495725 980056 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps instead of saying you wrote the program in Python you say it is written in python instead (that is, without uppercase "P"), which is used to indicate that, you have the program "python" which can be used to interpret the program in the language whatever it happens to be, if anything... < 1309495726 527216 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you define a language by a spec and then leave that spec alone and make a new spec when you want to change it < 1309495744 753201 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Then you should give them version numbers, or, if they don't have them, refer to them by dates. < 1309495754 400273 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Well, then you'd have Haskell~ < 1309495762 83932 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: or scheme < 1309495764 576396 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Haskell is versioned. < 1309495768 648501 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a bunch of other languages < 1309495772 664430 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ~ means sarcasm < 1309495779 242825 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1309495782 194529 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it meant singing < 1309495786 549915 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1309495788 147737 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wrote a program in the C language yesterday.
< 1309495792 436809 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which C < 1309495795 568841 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :C. < 1309495798 508811 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's C < 1309495803 291289 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's two such languages. < 1309495804 382545 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I was pretty confused myself. < 1309495806 320874 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon to be 3. < 1309495818 696884 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it C99 < 1309495820 50455 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Strange, I thought it was a vaguely sing-songy type thing. だね〜？ < 1309495833 236427 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I couldn't find the spec. < 1309495834 674339 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there are variants of C and implementation specific features of C programs, in addition to others too. < 1309495855 474360 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bad at googling. < 1309495862 413431 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like me to find the spec~ < 1309495879 232148 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. Go find the spec for C. < 1309495883 677046 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1309495895 235897 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which version < 1309495905 806643 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which C < 1309495907 645036 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :, that is < 1309495907 793878 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I thought I explained this... < 1309495912 8827 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are going in circles now... < 1309495931 314534 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like a subset of the "GNU89" version of C < 1309495951 556078 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the subset of C that is quines. < 1309495964 541492 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quines as specified by which version of C < 1309495965 189413 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In Japanese I've always thought of it more as an extension of the vowel, but I suppose many speakers make that sound fairly sing-dongy < 1309495968 149032 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*songy < 1309495986 825454 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck it, I'll presume ISO C99+POSIX 2008.1 < 1309495991 234630 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/toc.htm < 1309495994 663616 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have fun! < 1309496027 78713 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: The C that is implemented by the gcc, I think. < 1309496028 256311 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Fair 'nough. < 1309496030 665188 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Not knowing because is explained and how you go in circles is one of the kind of philosophical because sometimes making philosophy, if it is of the confusing kind, results in this kind of things. So that is how you learn (kind of)! < 1309496041 557069 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: loldongs < 1309496044 824338 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: So ISO C99! < 1309496072 461929 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay. Yeah sometimes I get confused because people are like "go write programs in C", and I assume C is a language. < 1309496076 789324 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION didn't know how wrong he was.
< 1309496099 28006 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is a family of languages < 1309496110 404176 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An incestuous family of languages < 1309496117 25955 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gross < 1309496180 9731 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a happy family? < 1309496201 721467 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: They don't know. < 1309496227 473221 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing about Python is that the language changes between CPython versions, pretty much. < 1309496261 783155 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing is what parts should be considered "the language" < 1309496285 357628 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language defined by cpython's behaviour at verison (version here) < 1309496317 514217 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would Python is a family of languages, with specific languages being versioned. < 1309496343 867395 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember in #python it would sometimes help to specify which version of Python you were talking about < 1309496376 628535 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+say ... -_- < 1309496377 533374 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only python were formally specified < 1309496387 325203 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, then it could be one language, like C. < 1309496393 693053 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1309496405 803616 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :proper implementations of python _must not have_ tail call optimisation < 1309496413 502258 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. yes. it's required. < 1309496429 810382 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the... er wait, by.. < 1309496436 930483 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... < 1309496442 773244 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the cpython. by the guidos brain. < 1309496442 922281 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the CPython source! < 1309496508 17381 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $x = hello => $x; < 1309496519 425626 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print $x = hello => $x; < 1309496520 63511 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellohello < 1309496532 620721 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what just happened :( < 1309496542 31907 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno. Consult the Perl spec. < 1309496549 236675 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's in /bin/perl < 1309496553 889064 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gross < 1309496554 815292 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print $x = 5 => $x = 6; < 1309496555 284459 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :66 < 1309496559 743629 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :snazzy < 1309496594 844111 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print $x = 5 => $x = 6 => $x = $x; < 1309496595 344407 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :666 < 1309496600 858920 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually not sure what is happening now... < 1309496614 887339 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect 566 < 1309496633 516939 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print $x = $x => $x = 5 => $x = 6; < 1309496633 949472 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :666 < 1309496673 908772 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..yeah, assignment precedence does weird things. < 1309496701 303713 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and the fact that , does two completely different things. < 1309496733 305865 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print ($x = (print ($x = print ($x = 5)))) < 1309496733 787764 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :511 < 1309496766 931429 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, it would be nice if print actually returned what it printed, but instead it returns 1 < 1309496788 246159 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print $x => ($x = print ($x = 5)) => $x < 1309496788 649137 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :5111 < 1309496795 180857 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang it perl < 1309496830 637618 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print $x => ($x = 5) => $x < 1309496831 74550 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :555 < 1309496840 13144 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did it figure that out < 1309496866 739578 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (print 1) => (print 2) < 1309496867 526699 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `=>' < 1309496875 930773 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl (print 1) => (print 2) < 1309496876 350708 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 < 1309496881 236355 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question. :P < 1309496890 551958 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl can see the future, obviously. < 1309496923 254795 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See reverse state monad. < 1309496927 507527 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god that monad is so hot. < 1309496930 958376 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a mancrush on it. < 1309496939 958956 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I crushed it with my minds. < 1309496941 452104 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $a = 5; ($a, $b) = ($b, $a); print $a; < 1309496964 274727 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah see I have no clue why it printed 555 above. < 1309496965 245018 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unification failure there perl < 1309496978 519094 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1309496992 385275 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1309497030 48952 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print $x, ($x=5) < 1309497030 505059 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :55 < 1309497033 629829 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...see, what. < 1309497049 393496 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print ($x=5), $x < 1309497049 855636 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1309497054 150937 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa!! < 1309497070 416681 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print ($x=5) => $x < 1309497070 875128 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1309497076 101538 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> is just , < 1309497079 212095 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's sequencing < 1309497085 590576 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : !perl print $x => ($x = 5) => $x < 1309497085 965760 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 555 < 1309497087 588574 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with one special thing so why not have another < 1309497093 878171 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print ($x, $x = 5, $x) < 1309497094 604547 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1309497097 608315 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look at how this evaluates < 1309497098 151656 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1309497098 555998 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1309497101 327227 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it allows a bareword on the left right? < 1309497103 143350 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense :( < 1309497107 197727 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it evaluates assignments first < 1309497108 631309 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1309497110 88060 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yeah < 1309497117 352147 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1309497121 350921 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then what about ($x=5), $x < 1309497121 532709 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hm < 1309497121 681394 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: maybe it turns into < 1309497131 686970 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print "$x", ($x = 5), ... no wait < 1309497135 96435 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be exclusive to the print operator. < 1309497135 384539 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't explain the last one < 1309497135 744274 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1309497137 209350 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1309497143 19771 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" < 1309497152 655935 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl @x = ($x, $x=5); print @x < 1309497153 140657 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :55 < 1309497156 131831 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or not. < 1309497165 575171 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a list operator thing. < 1309497182 325958 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl is confusing < 1309497184 143834 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im confused < 1309497218 22549 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl @x = ($x, $x, $y); $x=5;$y=2; print @x < 1309497223 674731 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1309497246 392867 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have something to do with how Perl uses lists in assignment operators. < 1309497252 90257 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's confusing about it? < 1309497269 471638 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the evaluation order was unexpected. < 1309497273 83326 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always hate when people post about areas of my expertise because they'll be wrong < 1309497277 765201 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that < 1309497323 754605 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl @z = (my ($x=$y, $y=2)); print @z; < 1309497324 156623 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't declare scalar assignment in "my" at /tmp/input.18475 line 1, near "))" < 1309497389 969070 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl (@z = ($x=$y, $y=2)) = ('a','b'); print @z, $x, $y; < 1309497390 416914 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ab2 < 1309497393 628334 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1309497410 239207 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl (@z = ($x=$y, $y=2)) = ('a','b'); print @z, ' ', $x, $y; < 1309497410 698044 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ab 2 < 1309497436 213607 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1309497476 340146 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl (@z = ($x=$y, $y=2)); print @z, ' ', $x, $y; < 1309497476 784591 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 2 < 1309497495 112369 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, these are expected... < 1309497522 226973 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I don't know what is expected and what is unexpected... < 1309497528 680785 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe not. < 1309497533 741769 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if perl had a real spec < 1309497537 11306 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that help < 1309497556 110499 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no that was a trick question it would be too much of a mess) < 1309497569 634430 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :((that was a joke of course it would help)) < 1309497572 986054 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((what am I saying))) < 1309497603 161986 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to #perl! < 1309497607 81432 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the official spec of perl. < 1309497617 789022 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im afraid < 1309497622 517988 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a good place < 1309497723 945722 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. it's occasionally helpful. < 1309497758 937330 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :more often than not I get assaulted with useless pickiness, which is weird because it's Perl we're talking about.. < 1309497776 888364 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres only one way to do it < 1309497827 590975 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that CakeProphet considers everything useless pickiness
< 1309497834 496770 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they get mad about doing obscene things with perl < 1309497837 581919 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. anything with perl < 1309497843 235479 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(perl jokes are funny) < 1309497881 344297 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though is there any sort of perl that's considered abusive < 1309497937 36300 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obfuscated too far for respect < 1309497948 648388 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on who you talk to. I generally don't care. others do. < 1309497955 811619 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exploited a bug in the spec < 1309497967 972569 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obfuscated too far for respect / exploited a bug in the spec < 1309497972 326447 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :opening lyrics of Abusive Perl < 1309498063 887055 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, valid Perl. < 1309498278 67295 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :< tm604> eval: [ $x, $x - 3, $x = 5, $x - 3 ] # they're processed left-to-right but since $x is an lvalue it'll stay as $x in the resulting expression < 1309498286 528906 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :< SpiceMan> anyway, assigning in a list is wrong < 1309498304 992136 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know programming style was such a deep, ethical issue. < 1309498314 987923 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in perl it is < 1309498316 777979 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1309498324 548115 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's more than one way to do it but that isn't one < 1309498375 16969 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :< tm604> It'll evaluate to 5 when converting to the arrayref in the above example - but would stay as an lvalue if you passed that list to a function call. < 1309498395 764783 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting... < 1309498398 558292 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is wrong" -- oh noes ethical judgement < 1309498598 46973 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not called perl monks for nothing < 1309498666 289232 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im having trouble grokking the concept of perl style pedantry < 1309498678 412912 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt perl for dirty hacks why else would anyone use it < 1309498702 150063 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I am having similar difficulties. < 1309498709 949022 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there are pedants for every language... < 1309498750 75045 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl pedants are former C pedants who decided they wanted something more opaque. < 1309498758 286135 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ < 1309498784 185471 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of < 1309498820 584635 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I don't think I've known anyone that used perl for long without developing their own particular brand of pedantry about it < 1309498838 407177 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the ones who switched to python because it was the sexy new (nonexistent) thing < 1309498863 532884 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl @x = ($x,$x,$x=2); ($x[0],$y) = (3,4); print @x,' ',$x,$y < 1309498863 992044 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :322 24 < 1309498874 503515 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my perl pedantry is i cant stand perl code that doesnt cave in to heinous obfuscation < 1309498883 871868 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I switched from python to perl, so... < 1309498901 537196 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I am not pedantic about Perl. But I'm not pedantic about any language really. < 1309498904 560348 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this makes sense. < 1309498913 287172 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1309498916 482360 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :/especially/ languages that don't exist. < 1309498920 752265 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just don't drink the Wall-aid too hard < 1309498950 283690 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds dangerous. < 1309498974 277381 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any language is dangerous if you buy into the hype < 1309498987 405487 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently the lvalues evaluated after the list evaluates. So it's just a weird case that happens inside lists. < 1309498997 231890 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lisp has all the visual appeal of oatmeal with fingernail clippings mixed in." -- literally god < 1309499032 837512 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -Wall < 1309499038 868240 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :--pedantic < 1309499088 374736 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1309499095 263306 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl sub test {$_[0] = 2} $x = 1; test($x); print $x; < 1309499095 699311 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1309499114 65776 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :im n ur code, reassigning ur lvalues. < 1309499127 916252 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :call by vile < 1309499143 713607 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1309499174 3334 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually this "feature" is disabled when you reassign @_ or use shift, which is what 99% of Perl functions do. < 1309499231 158821 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, let's test this. < 1309499238 416577 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl sub test {shift = 2} $x = 1; test($x); print $x; < 1309499238 784675 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't modify shift in scalar assignment at /tmp/input.20928 line 1, near "2}" < 1309499327 190277 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you /can/ define subroutines that can be used as lvalues. < 1309499335 230014 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but shift is not one of those. < 1309499577 94675 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl sub take : lvalue {$_[0]} sub test { &take = 3} $x = 0; test($x); print $x; < 1309499577 528476 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1309499923 226531 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi im < 1309499944 719054 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually enjoy Perl's depravity. This is what stands out to me. < 1309499956 165078 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pervert. :P < 1309500220 601395 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could actually write programs in a style similar to Python. < 1309500224 701828 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how boron would that be? < 1309500313 348126 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no, you would actually want to /declare/ your variables. This is counter-intuitive to Python style. < 1309500396 866697 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which variables magically appear at runtime like the hash table keys they are. < 1309500508 118188 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a class definition? don't want a hash table? no worries, you can just define a huge list of strings named __slots__. Very clean and pythonic. < 1309500596 269692 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it might be a tuple. I can't recall. < 1309500987 871 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a list < 1309502457 340616 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1309503032 295254 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1309503268 194258 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is true! It is not true! < 1309503273 288580 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :taupe < 1309503430 731412 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :toupe < 1309503528 832213 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :targot < 1309503725 304411 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think pi has anything to do with circles. I think circles has to do with pi. Some people think tau (2pi) should be used instead of pi but I am one of those who disagrees with that idea. Even if you somehow believe that the ratio of a circumference to the diameter is 3, that doesn't mean pi is 3. < 1309503846 732587 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fyguhijokp[l];';kljhgfdrt90iuhgvui09-hviop0jhbvi90jio0-9ijnbjio0- < 1309504150 33335 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please write it more clearly this time? < 1309504163 938784 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asfdjqieprtg < 1309504213 303231 :CakeProphet!~adam@h184-60-161-54.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309504213 611997 :CakeProphet!~adam@h184-60-161-54.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net QUIT :Changing host < 1309504213 760762 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1309504423 825200 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309504440 819173 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1309504566 305510 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-41.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1309505364 309409 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1309505373 331091 :foocraft_!~ewanas@78.100.217.94 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1309506972 685174 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309507564 759609 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1309507567 438015 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the opengl haskell binding < 1309507569 370671 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actualyl uses Ptr < 1309507571 831832 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r u joking < 1309507580 464530 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even Ptr Blah < 1309507581 163027 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ptr a < 1309507581 696239 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1309507582 221186 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1309507584 518534 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pointer to fucking anything < 1309507586 269838 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clap < 1309508721 893429 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What part of it? < 1309508735 134774 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: vertex object things < 1309508741 603826 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : GL.bufferData GL.ArrayBuffer GL.$= (fromIntegral size, ptr, GL.StaticDraw) < 1309508747 623518 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ptr could literally be a pointer to ()s < 1309508749 954377 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to (forall a. a)s < 1309508753 965623 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least use a typeclass, jeez < 1309508761 788643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309508765 848614 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should it be? :-P < 1309509278 464458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1309509595 45291 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: A typeclass, since the a should always be one of the GL value types :P < 1309509598 876341 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless I'm missing something) < 1309509608 9966 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can always cast it < 1309509614 774580 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it should be < 1309509618 794072 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it really can be anything < 1309509712 963985 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use it to just store arbitrary data on the GPU AFAICT < 1309509819 639072 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1309509830 369646 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That sounds like a terrible idea if you have e.g. Ptr (a -> b) < 1309509842 610460 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, any heap type < 1309509845 943660 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GC doesn't look at GPU memory :P < 1309509872 526303 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you move GC data away from the GC then obviously you have to handle it somehow, yes :-) < 1309510332 302627 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Someone should be paying you full-time to actually make all of these things that will be so much better than all the other versions of those things." < 1309510337 804055 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nicest thing i have ever been told ;_____; < 1309512236 812872 :wth!~tianhou@222.242.196.229 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309512262 718331 :wth!~tianhou@222.242.196.229 NICK :Guest41798 < 1309512270 71954 :Guest41798!~tianhou@222.242.196.229 PART :#esoteric < 1309514756 874762 :foocraft!~ewanas@78.101.140.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309515676 169696 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src Functor Either < 1309515676 358884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. My pet ferret can type better than you! < 1309515709 716677 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src Either fmap < 1309515709 911109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap _ (Left x) = Left x < 1309515710 94831 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap f (Right y) = Right (f y) < 1309515723 230403 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah, then i realised that's not relevant < 1309515730 709643 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to make the code in http://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/~conor/Kleisli.pdf work
< 1309515738 513780 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically < 1309515739 551434 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (IFunctor f ,IFunctor g) ⇒ IFunctor (f :+: g) where < 1309515739 725393 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imap h (InL fp) = InL (imap h fp) < 1309515739 874137 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imap h (InR gp) = InR (imap h gp) < 1309515853 171809 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why doesn't that work < 1309515912 823992 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: < 1309515914 946021 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/Code/outrageous-fortune/outrageous-fortune.hs:58:33: < 1309515915 122598 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (g ~ f) < 1309515915 271320 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (IFunctor f, IFunctor g) < 1309515915 271485 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the instance declaration < 1309515915 271592 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : at /home/elliott/Code/outrageous-fortune/outrageous-fortune.hs:3:10-55 < 1309515915 858067 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `g' is a rigid type variable bound by < 1309515919 978161 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the instance declaration < 1309515922 89452 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : at /home/elliott/Code/outrageous-fortune/outrageous-fortune.hs:3:32 < 1309515924 189503 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `f' is a rigid type variable bound by < 1309515925 941061 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the instance declaration < 1309515927 870510 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : at /home/elliott/Code/outrageous-fortune/outrageous-fortune.hs:3:20 < 1309515930 7169 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: f s i < 1309515931 933689 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: g s i < 1309515933 938930 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the second argument of `imap', namely `gp' < 1309515936 40228 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the first argument of `InL', namely `(imap h gp)' < 1309515937 996078 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: InL (imap h gp) < 1309515939 958185 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed, modules loaded: none. < 1309516075 278004 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This after I added kind signatures to :+:.0 < 1309516075 976993 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1309516307 611108 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1309516308 135751 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1309516639 857872 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309517269 153333 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src (<*) < 1309517269 340971 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<*) = liftA2 const < 1309517274 253214 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?. unpl src (<*) < 1309517274 483410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :() < 1309517277 626785 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1309517289 912316 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src liftA2 < 1309517290 125568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftA2 f a b = f <$> a <*> b < 1309517293 581111 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1309517299 729325 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\a b -> const <$> a <*> b < 1309517327 976951 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?unpl (<*) = liftA2 const < 1309517328 165635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<*) = liftA2 (\ a _ -> a) < 1309517354 131561 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src (*>) < 1309517354 333042 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*>) = liftA2 (const id) < 1309517369 634675 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :const id <$> a <*> b < 1309517370 157849 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1309517374 578474 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no simpler way to write that, right < 1309517375 277104 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1309517386 659817 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty \a b -> const id <$> a <*> b < 1309517387 444356 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a a1 (f :: * -> *). (Applicative f) => f a1 -> f a -> f a < 1309517401 129798 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty (*>) < 1309517401 885490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b. (Applicative f) => f a -> f b -> f b < 1309517403 324831 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1309517422 656550 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's where you got it from I guess, heh < 1309517518 38764 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wow, the arrows of outrageous fortune are... < 1309517521 6140 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :outrageously slow < 1309517531 398048 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso < 1309517544 225494 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, choose a big text file, a Shakespearean tragedy, perhaps, and invoke < 1309517544 572720 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :runFH $ fileContents "Hamlet.txt" < 1309517544 721187 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wait < 1309517545 435022 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1309517547 186542 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is not kidding < 1309517554 918101 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1309517557 820743 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im running it on /usr/share/dict words and my computer isnt showing what im typing any more oh < 1309517559 392899 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1309517559 758546 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my memory < 1309517561 184355 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1309517561 400346 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all < 1309517562 65111 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaked < 1309517562 446845 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow < 1309517563 848397 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1309517567 41022 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :switching to tv < 1309517614 966546 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: oh my god < 1309517622 678338 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just watched the oom killer kill chrome < 1309517626 385716 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ghc's sins < 1309517651 385676 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and THEN he tells us how to do it fastly < 1309517654 359564 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucker < 1309518327 352393 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309519291 24368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, gnome 3 is a disaster, I gave up on it when I couldn't even locate the setting for changing window decorations theme after 10 minutes of searching in the preferences... < 1309519306 326326 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1309519316 914471 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can't change it < 1309519322 870851 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, configurability is bad and confusing < 1309519341 634268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, gave lxde a try but it was crashy. Could be due to catalyst drivers since it was X itself that crashed from trying to change lxde desktop bg colour, but the backtrace from X segfaulting seemed free from catalyst things < 1309519345 830097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :xfce seems to work well < 1309519358 780447 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people use desktop environments < 1309519377 378050 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, as opposed to just a window manager? < 1309519400 891389 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1309519451 185780 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm, for me, because I haven't found a window manager that I liked yet. I tried a few. < 1309519461 806840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like tiling window managers I found out < 1309519540 299358 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you like gnome 2 / lxde / xfce but not any WMs, or? < 1309519578 581830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well lxde I have been unable to decide if I like yet < 1309519586 206092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to it crashing on some stuff < 1309519609 272874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lxde had a few other issues as well < 1309519631 827654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like not being able (as far as I could tell) to use the default X cursors, instead of fancy ones. < 1309519646 773252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also I didn't find a non-horrible window decoration theme in it < 1309519660 969622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, gnome 2 I like. KDE 3.5 and older too. xfce4 is quite nice < 1309519707 777809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I tried a few WMs and twm is kind of nice when it comes to behaviour, but it looks ugly as fuck, even if you change the colours with xresources or whatever it was < 1309519721 220311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiling WMs I don't seem to like so far < 1309519736 699749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, any suggestions for non-tiling WMs? < 1309519756 172921 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use openbox < 1309519763 434518 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And shall now relocate to a bus stop --> < 1309519768 195032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I haven't tried that one actually < 1309519774 716669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I tried some other *box? < 1309520997 317648 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found small nits in all the other boxes (no I can't remember what they were) < 1309521016 464632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1309521051 204543 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(including IceWM) < 1309521387 812794 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1309524203 782026 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yess rayman installer launches < 1309524223 751971 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Full installation MMX for DirectX [six].[one]" < 1309524228 381531 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah...yes, this is what i want... < 1309524314 790611 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1309524421 640558 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i need dlinput.dll for this < 1309524430 444365 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Deewiant: CakeProphet: do any of you use windows ever < 1309524432 778866 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: < 1309524435 785031 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1309524443 82614 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1309524461 475288 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait its on the cd < 1309524462 186810 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yayyy < 1309524497 362226 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or wait is it < 1309524608 958257 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my case, I used a Windows Vista "dinput.dll" file, as the one from my "Rayman 2" CD didn't work for me. < 1309524609 312085 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1309524613 180478 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do you have access to a windows partition < 1309524623 18738 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one I'm currently using < 1309524631 228834 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 7 close enough/identical? < 1309524639 846101 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1309524647 263406 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: can i have your \windows\system[thirtytwo]\dinput.dll file? < 1309524669 31283 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on < 1309524777 589134 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes elliott's email address from Agora
< 1309524812 81154 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in return you can have a useless google+ invite < 1309524814 400245 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you already have one < 1309524847 165509 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1309524905 64951 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :invited < 1309524917 821876 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx for file < 1309524931 993077 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1309524942 161841 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still doesn't work though :D < 1309524942 519413 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1309525033 357520 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I have to link Google+ with Picasa < 1309525043 763185 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this will make Picasa on my phone work? < 1309525045 152497 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to? < 1309525073 745370 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The choices given were to link, or not to join Google+ < 1309525087 744285 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WORKS NOW YAAAY < 1309525088 804843 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: heh < 1309525100 201102 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SITE RAYMAN2" <-- good english in menus < 1309525138 280632 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is working A+ good < 1309525145 920559 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :todo: get antialiasing enabled in it somehow, maybe dare to try widescreen, fullscreen < 1309525147 162937 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rayman yaay < 1309525152 589726 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo you've played rayman right < 1309525154 707447 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two < 1309525158 246335 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can UNDERSTAND MY DELIGHT < 1309525165 490606 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've... heard of it. Might have seen it being playe < 1309525168 984448 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :played < 1309525173 899223 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I'm thinking of a different game < 1309525185 218150 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go pirate it and play it it's the best three-dimensional platform game ever created :{ < 1309525196 887304 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yes, I dualboot Windows 7 for gaming < 1309525200 441746 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: TOO LATE < 1309525206 489563 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were just toooo slow. < 1309525212 467992 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really want to help you anyway < 1309525220 239027 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody ever does ;____; < 1309525226 813545 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, does it have glowy sphere things called lums? < 1309525249 211384 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes. < 1309525264 247396 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, yeah, I've watched my friend play it a long time ago < 1309525321 596433 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb playing it < 1309525323 15196 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1309525787 194809 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1309525957 305079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1309525963 161294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupidly hard to get this to fullscreen right < 1309525970 877207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to get wine to do everything as a virtual desktop, just a fullscreen one :P < 1309526306 340765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1309527266 148604 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.45.135.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309527266 453595 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.45.135.12 QUIT :Changing host < 1309527266 602286 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1309527282 594599 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps virtual box has what elliott is looking for < 1309527294 343014 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, installing Windows will likely have a similar effect. < 1309527364 349737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, I thought VirtualBox doesn't work well with 3d < 1309527791 426239 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1309527898 916161 :azaq23!~derivecto@pD9E3417D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1309527901 18303 :azaq23!~derivecto@pD9E3417D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1309527901 166759 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309528607 110141 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1309528893 959234 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309529124 683198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1309529683 931054 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1309529724 879558 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309530318 700532 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309530318 849257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1309533497 716426 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-206-241.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1309533721 235624 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you konw how you were oh and i want with and but yeah its let me knwo if? < 1309534383 704940 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePerformIO (>>= #0 #1) = seq# #0 (#1 #0); < 1309534383 853562 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePerformIO (return #0) = #0; < 1309534440 820155 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: your dreams answered < 1309534540 292474 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i can do that better, unsafePerformIO could be id < 1309534548 528500 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#? < 1309534551 243319 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1309534710 527209 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unboxed? I'm generally clueless about that. Why is #1 being used like a function? < 1309534745 916919 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not Haskell. < 1309534771 570175 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1309535442 216106 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah i pretty much invented the best < 1309537644 851143 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-43.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309538234 848415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309538251 38798 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1309538287 882989 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.45.135.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309538288 232019 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.45.135.12 QUIT :Changing host < 1309538288 380369 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1309538861 308994 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309539087 963167 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1309539748 815236 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-206-241.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1309540736 966437 :Sgeo__!Sgeo@ool-44c2d2a1.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309540885 963478 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@66-87-8-224.pools.spcsdns.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1309541016 775104 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309541040 961053 :Sgeo__!Sgeo@ool-44c2d2a1.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1309541547 853964 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309541729 628162 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1309541742 960831 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1309541812 869196 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309543195 168637 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309543324 377856 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1309544164 226629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1309544164 377454 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.85 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1309545054 698179 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be able to use calibre to work around Nook Touch's file support limitations, right? < 1309545648 245745 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309545712 26891 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1309546866 11192 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1309547626 20958 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1309547879 49811 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1309547932 297055 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1309548275 991375 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1309548396 185790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan joers oerasn an < 1309548426 125452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan unsafePerformIO $0 = $0; < 1309548453 265900 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PART #esoteric :"〆" < 1309548464 258857 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joe R'Jan < 1309548867 537614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can GGGGGGGGGGGGC handle two consecutive non-pointer members? < 1309548877 25936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't really tag the previous field in that situation. < 1309548892 561698 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is 〆 ? < 1309548917 216720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kanji of some kind, it seems < 1309548921 146154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1309548923 321304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For closing. < 1309548923 523934 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1309548926 651384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1309549106 881822 :derrik!~xix@228.224.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1309549262 74690 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I assume you're referring to Fythe? < 1309549271 85542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No I am referring to GGGGGGGGGC < 1309549279 226694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1309549284 114159 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GGGGC only uses tagging w/ Fythe. < 1309549288 26454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GGGGC with Fythe's model of distinguishing literal values < 1309549298 249220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can that model handle consecutive non-pointers? < 1309549310 313383 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember what a Fythe value is? < 1309549324 890856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that doesn't answer my question :P < 1309549334 594032 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does. < 1309549347 886730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tells me you didn't do it that way. < 1309549352 699549 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It cannot handle consecutive non-pointers, and it doesn't need to. < 1309549353 210631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't tell me it can't be done that way. < 1309549357 237787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. < 1309549373 249907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably just put a tag on every word, then. < 1309549424 69686 :derrik!~xix@228.224.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee PART :#esoteric < 1309549545 91127 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey oerjan unsafePerformIO $0 = $0; <-- wat < 1309549555 456858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yep < 1309549590 125466 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric := $0; does not parse afaik < 1309549604 315133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: who said it was haskell < 1309549623 141208 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonody < 1309549639 806268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_start = (>>) main (return Unit); < 1309549639 972240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = (>>) (putStrLn _Cstr_0) (putStrLn _Cstr_1); < 1309549640 149677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Cstr_0 = (:) 72 ((:) 101 ((:) 108 ((:) 108 ((:) 111 ((:) 44 ((:) 32 ((:) 119 ((:) 111 ((:) 114 ((:) 108 ((:) 100 ((:) 33 [])))))))))))); < 1309549640 298174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Cstr_1 = (:) 71 ((:) 111 ((:) 111 ((:) 100 ((:) 98 ((:) 121 ((:) 101 ((:) 44 ((:) 32 ((:) 99 ((:) 114 ((:) 117 ((:) 101 ((:) 108 ((:) 32 ((:) 119 ((:) 111 ((:) 114 ((:) 108 ((:) 100 ((:) 33 [])))))))))))))))))))); < 1309549640 499437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unit; < 1309549642 252229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]; < 1309549644 357066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:) x xs; < 1309549646 632970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :return $0 = $0; < 1309549648 430196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>>=) $0 $1 = seq# $0 ($1 $0); < 1309549652 251960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>>) = seq#; < 1309549654 383199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#foreign import "std" "putStrLn#" < 1309549656 478424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :putStrLn = putStrLn#; < 1309549682 419978 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :core? < 1309549823 650444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nope < 1309549826 629034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes and no. < 1309550505 17171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Erm, did prgmr create a default account called codu on your system? X-D < 1309550511 170370 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is that output from some program? < 1309550557 139752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: nope < 1309550562 227986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hand-written < 1309550590 957208 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. do you want a psychological referral? < 1309550615 515440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: been there, done that. < 1309550615 740592 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't recall. I don't think so, I think I created it. < 1309550621 340524 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :next q: whats it input for? :) < 1309550627 964164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: a hypothetical program < 1309550642 528378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What, an account called "codu"? Why would you want an account named that? < 1309550648 834059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My reasons for assuming they do are COMPLICATED) < 1309550654 876874 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does "seq# $0 ($1 $0)" work because of some kind of memoization? < 1309550677 746080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how memoisation is relevant < 1309550679 852722 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if its just hypothetical, why not use teh infexes? :) < 1309550680 376482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you just mean sharing? < 1309550704 859816 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, sharing of the result of seq# on $0 < 1309550715 549561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude System.IO.Unsafe> let x = unsafePerformIO (print 99 >> return 0) < 1309550715 900304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude System.IO.Unsafe> x `seq` id x < 1309550716 48808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 < 1309550716 49024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1309550719 74775 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :memoizing the result the first time its computed < 1309550721 182712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a basic property of all functional languages < 1309550723 279149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not memoisation < 1309550725 912907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just reducing a thunk < 1309550729 290860 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My main account is codu, because why not? < 1309550733 649485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure, that's a kind of memoisation, but that seems backwards to me < 1309550747 185001 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yah, replacing the thunk with its result.. memoization. < 1309550761 96619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, hey, why is your name an example of the Curry-Howard isomorphism? < 1309550763 895968 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :memotato, memotahtoe < 1309550774 969499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: it's more like memoisation is ak ind of thunk reduction. < 1309550779 324286 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoover: afaik its not. < 1309550787 254928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, it is. < 1309550795 525691 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name is "tim" < 1309550796 673865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, your whois one, at least. < 1309550806 939533 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whois is that because i think CH is wikkit cool < 1309550836 364937 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft, it's not even dependently typed. < 1309550857 113676 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what isnt? my example? < 1309550906 218650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1309550915 659872 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you are of course aware that haskell permits implementations to assume referential transparency and evaluate x more than once. < 1309550940 569126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course < 1309550951 113217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm just saying that any implementation that _didn't_ reduce thunks in such a way would be completely braindead < 1309550954 992543 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that ghc may have inlining optimizations which risk doing that. < 1309550959 164875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since sharing is integral to doing just about /anything/ circular with Haskell < 1309550976 585721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., non-sharing implementations don't scale in a very major way in the physical universe < 1309551052 384544 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2245 < 1309551077 484401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Anyway, there is no sharing or thunks as such in my model < 1309551080 995239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's purely based on symbolic term rewriting < 1309551087 132040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the "sharing" is just in that it literally reduces the term < 1309551098 180945 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why's the seq# needed? < 1309551108 874217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because otherwise your IO actions would happen in a totally random order? < 1309551132 264460 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but if there's no sharing, they can still happen in an odd order < 1309551135 993104 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they can happen two times < 1309551143 49575 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in ghc you are _not_ guaranteed that a is evaluated first in a `seq` b < 1309551163 857042 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when does io "happen" in term rewriting? < 1309551171 399206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm really? < 1309551175 791455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's the explicit guarantee? < 1309551177 393867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this isn't GHC < 1309551184 209373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Of course there's sharing < 1309551189 685904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's implicit in the term reduction model < 1309551196 603059 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the explicit guarantee is that both will be evaluated before the seq returns... < 1309551198 734050 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[10:08] < elliott> newsham: Anyway, there is no sharing or thunks as such in my model < 1309551206 126514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because it's not explicit < 1309551210 836128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1309551219 786640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Anyway, it "happens" completely unsafely; whenever (putStrLn# s) gets reduced, it prints out the line. < 1309551224 213106 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google pseq < 1309551225 470956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cs.hubfs.net/forums/thread/16353.aspx < 1309551225 619701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: hubFS: THE place for F# - Using PSeq from powerpack < 1309551226 155420 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1309551229 164628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it is totally unsafe and impure, but this is just the low-level, untyped implementation. < 1309551230 222613 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle pseq < 1309551230 450802 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Parallel pseq :: a -> b -> b < 1309551232 677112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The focus is simplicity and speed. < 1309551259 128960 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pseq does give such a guarantee though, and exists precisely because seq doesn't < 1309551280 81758 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/lambda/prelude.lam < 1309551316 940160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In my model, the semantics are simple: when reducing (seq# a b), if a can be reduced, then it will be, within the seq# application; otherwise, the expression will be replaced by b. < 1309551433 6000 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, fix glogbot's rsync already. < 1309551612 566365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/ie7ze/lambdas_in_c/ post ur real lambdas < 1309551674 755599 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lambada calculus < 1309551739 640482 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# builtins: < 1309551744 595461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, you're a bad person. < 1309551766 601457 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs closures when you have c < 1309551778 124236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closures? < 1309551779 683373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1309551783 348766 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/ie7ze/lambdas_in_c/ < 1309551788 973296 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather < 1309551792 176175 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:20:13 < elliott> pikhq_: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/ie7ze/lambdas_in_c/ post ur real lambdas < 1309551831 796852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1309551839 53181 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1309551871 41894 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom: at the very least I wanted a way to display numbers as ascii < 1309551875 546020 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do have numbers as lambdas, too < 1309551893 255976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, that's a little more forgiveable. < 1309551904 283473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\f -> f a b c d (... sixty four arguments ...)) < 1309551904 513571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also have I mentioned my lambda calculus IO monad. < 1309551907 903939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast lambda numerics < 1309551938 275259 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom: actually I dont see numbers as lambdas in the prelude.. but i've written em! :) < 1309551995 46001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pah, I implement numbers in the place they _should_ be: the type system. < 1309552015 264663 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I can see nothing wrong with glogbot's rsync. < 1309552040 371066 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: real men implement numbers in a language that doesn't have a distinction between type system and values < 1309552052 162635 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's actually pretty close to the same thing. < 1309552055 626735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: real men implement numbers in epigram two < 1309552070 995533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1309552071 712956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: < 1309552073 272713 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my "lambda" is just plain ole vanilla untyped lambda calc < 1309552080 349436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: vanilla, more like villain < 1309552087 615180 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vanillain? < 1309552094 984119 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Mine just return a struct with closed variables instead of a raw function pointer. < 1309552099 341165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, http://sprunge.us/WXgg < 1309552104 554577 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would a villain help me do this? http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/x/obf2.py < 1309552122 651478 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1309552133 11626 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like the work of a villain alright < 1309552137 726077 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, ow, my eyes. < 1309552162 516446 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ... fail. < 1309552172 580739 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: glogbot tells you the rsync path for the channel you ask it in. < 1309552181 148696 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ask it in PM, it'll tell you where the hypothetical PM logs would be. < 1309552192 117192 :foocraft!~ewanas@78.101.140.235 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1309552194 11739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I blame elliott. < 1309552203 765986 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obf2.py is a translation of http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/lambda/primes2.lam with a very minimal evaluator < 1309552203 916155 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that sounds somewhat noisy < 1309552221 196038 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: E_DONTCARE < 1309552246 785221 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :E_GLOGBOTBANNEDFORSPAMMING < 1309552251 199766 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I should translate it to SKI. < 1309552254 23893 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be fun < 1309552272 929405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, more relevantly, it's not at all clear that it works that way. < 1309552274 390514 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: E_FORONEITRESPONDSINNOTICEANDFORTWOITONLYRESPONDSWHENASKEDJUSTLIKEEVERYOTHERBOT < 1309552282 749237 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, automated quite easily. < 1309552303 815987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See Lazy K's LC → Lazy K compiler, for instance. < 1309552305 221136 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :E_GREGORTHINKSIMSERIOUS < 1309552366 834113 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Lazy K interpreter sucks. It leaks memory like a seive. < 1309552398 652279 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ph: i'd still have to write the code to expand macros, and translate, and minimize the number of parens. < 1309552399 812744 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: There < 1309552402 159288 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yah.. < 1309552404 179120 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You incompetent morons >_< ) < 1309552409 893844 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and also write a small set of ski prims < 1309552429 78224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glogbot_help < 1309552446 623843 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1309552459 262632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!die < 1309552463 487456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!carpal tunnel syndrmoe < 1309552556 417676 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ohhey, you can type symbols above numbers (and presumably numbers, too) < 1309552566 41744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i copied < 1309552575 55935 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1309552587 53573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im waiting for the new os x so i dont have to reinstall twice < 1309552594 786059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(once to wipe it for sending to apple) < 1309552598 486506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(once to inevitably upgrade after) < 1309552721 55684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ph: i'd still have to write the code to expand macros, and translate, and minimize the number of parens. < 1309552729 233128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why I just use Lazy K's. < 1309552737 333697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, your IO monad is a bit weird. < 1309552738 119054 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one install to wipe them all < 1309552777 583228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is yours just state realworld? < 1309552788 370834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where realworld is i guess the input and output streams in lazy k < 1309552792 969940 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, basically. < 1309552816 832396 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the details; realworld is a triple of somethin. < 1309552820 55804 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*something < 1309552885 861634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, yeah, it's what you said. < 1309552901 354847 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea what newsham's is, though. < 1309552975 633440 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in mine I just used a state monad that passes around a dummy value to sequence my "io" < 1309552983 218852 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: stop that < 1309552991 996428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: stop being named coppro < 1309553005 151312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, does that actually work? < 1309553019 534151 :foocraft!~ewanas@178.152.87.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309553023 877486 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, does it actually force sequencing? < 1309553031 967309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR having a hell of a time getting mine to work. < 1309553080 185965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well his io model is probably different < 1309553090 353093 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom: i've used it successfully :) < 1309553090 579863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1309553107 439654 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course, your ints and stuff are all built-in. < 1309553137 228762 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah. i'm using builtin ints. and I have the ability to print a builtin string (but not manipulate it.. its more of a symbol than a string) < 1309553169 453860 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's an example program that uses bind_ to sequence IO http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/lambda/hanoi.lam < 1309553310 449148 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone recommend one of the Schemes in Debian's repository to me; I can't pick. < 1309553328 779776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sisc < 1309553339 837898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's java, but it's rigidly rfivers-compliant. < 1309553343 310869 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not there. < 1309553346 747090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1309553348 163794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get install sisc < 1309553363 118478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, it's not in squeeze < 1309553371 541758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: get the deb from http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/main/sisc then < 1309553373 647016 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thought elliott was misspelling sigh there
< 1309553678 124697 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1309553826 508196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, wait did I link you to my quasi-monadic IO thing? < 1309553830 24873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even care? < 1309553839 798050 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Noöne else did. I was so sad.) < 1309553840 267146 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1309553855 824442 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know if you did, i dont know if i care.. more info required < 1309553864 525754 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with newsham < 1309553874 994684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Phantom_Hoover/io.scm < 1309553912 241009 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty, i'll take a looksy (but not right now) < 1309553957 459179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that he still hasn't cleaned up the bind function after it was strictified to no avail.
< 1309554123 331634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/D1ffe7e45e no top < 1309554124 31070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop < 1309554133 503321 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309554133 688999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dieeeeeeee < 1309554148 760591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop. This is too stupid. < 1309554150 168873 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott did you see madk's pogo interpreter('s source code) < 1309554157 354445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( link < 1309554172 607751 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10116881/esoteric/PoGo.zip < 1309554181 557820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dropbox famous code distirbution service < 1309554189 452732 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its good code < 1309554196 534047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is this < 1309554197 760085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blitzbasic < 1309554214 174229 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure which is sadder, the video or the Christians trying and failing to explain why it's wrong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfZ8hmmApE < 1309554230 481616 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does a case to assign every command a number < 1309554237 158551 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then does a case on the numbers < 1309554240 939609 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's one that hits a relevant point < 1309554251 47523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://prog21.dadgum.com/21.html < 1309554251 545280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://prog21.dadgum.com/83.html < 1309554253 128521 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.158.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309554253 277144 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.158.92 QUIT :Changing host < 1309554253 277236 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1309554253 470970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blitzmax < 1309554263 416625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: this is impressive code < 1309554277 835765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheres the chuck norris < 1309554298 752311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm not sure which is sadder, the video or the Christians trying and failing to explain why it's wrong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfZ8hmmApE < 1309554304 54397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Sgeo "I disproved God with Prolog" Sgeo < 1309554306 160358 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see Function masculinity < 1309554310 725125 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and where it's called) < 1309554321 93039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is good soundtrack for god disproving < 1309554349 486545 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: That's hilariously awful < 1309554355 266536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory (cantor) < 1309554361 38401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is great < 1309554361 226166 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like lines 294-302 < 1309554369 993765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really great < 1309554383 680807 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, A Euro B < 1309554391 323871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao < 1309554405 688977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Artist: Reel Big Fish < 1309554405 837395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy "Beer" on: iTunes < 1309554405 837474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show more < 1309554410 65545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :disproving that god exists to the song: Beer < 1309554427 290980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the perfect video < 1309554430 452679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i get it on bluray < 1309554434 136627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to archive it forever < 1309554461 934371 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the little cop-out at the end just makes it all the sweeter < 1309554470 338065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, oi, fix diagonalfish. < 1309554482 237397 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the comments < 1309554488 246675 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what's wrong with it this time? < 1309554492 811091 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, I'm SJGster >.> < 1309554498 57566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu6lgNgAH38 < 1309554504 733209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also best video < 1309554508 809892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, half the files don't work. < 1309554511 548443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Location: Admiring them boobs" < 1309554512 951275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not a location < 1309554517 437391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god please let the karaoke still be ther. < 1309554518 862500 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*there < 1309554527 604390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK GOD < 1309554531 646294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I do suspect that the idea of an omniscient being can be mathematically disproven, but I don't think your video does that." < 1309554533 569618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1309554547 276909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I can't; Sgeo_ disproved him with Prolog. < 1309554564 673649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we have no morals < 1309554588 407434 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: His mouse obeys the law of the excluded middle :/ < 1309554588 593170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, also none of the subdirectories work. < 1309554595 266403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott: His mouse obeys the law of the excluded middle :/ < 1309554599 117068 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :476) elliott: His mouse obeys the law of the excluded middle :/ < 1309554600 168556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1309554602 622996 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :278) mtve, now he's an expert idler. mtve: kitty kitty kitty < 1309554606 129613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1309554606 306449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1309554606 843423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1309554607 10494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1309554607 361106 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :72) Oranjer: the taylor's series is also alternately fnord as follows ( i'm using the latex notation here): david ben gurion signed the compensation agreement with germany when there was considerable division over these issues, because these are speculations without " any historical basis". < 1309554607 709942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1309554608 245638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1309554608 422217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1309554608 760671 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :251) Maybe they should just get rid of Minecraft. If more people want it someone can make using GNU GPL v3 or later version, with different people, might improve slightly. < 1309554610 163999 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :297) `addquote I'm a bit 'tarded. (NOTHING PERSONAL!) < 1309554611 39271 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something < 1309554611 915007 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :408) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one thankfully only two < 1309554613 208577 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :173) i think of languages as tools, there is no holy grail of languages even if there's no holy grail, that doesn't mean cups of crap is ok < 1309554614 547051 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :115) I don't know that I've ever heard apocalypi described in terms of depth ... < 1309554617 875361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the django sequence < 1309554621 220647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good sequence, that one < 1309554624 413278 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I haven't finished manually making sure nothing links to anything malicious < 1309554631 437981 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what directory do you want? < 1309554636 987085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, all of them. < 1309554650 706166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, fix your crack pairings so they include all 4 quadrants. < 1309554665 849212 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the crack pairings generator is obsolete < 1309554669 235240 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309554676 421336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i reading these words on my screen < 1309554677 159522 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More tables have been added to the thread it's based off, but then the thread was closed < 1309554694 274879 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, a tragedy indeed. < 1309554704 573801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: who's nissing my tyres < 1309554706 708700 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Related Videos: "2x2=5? Good math trick!" < 1309554707 691020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, also, can they stop < 1309554719 251175 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wat < 1309554720 858610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: youtueb intelectual < 1309554727 517533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: i want my tyres unnissed < 1309554732 5389 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This much is obvious < 1309554733 319170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nissing probably does bad things to my car < 1309554734 205164 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1309554745 71364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so which was it, wiki or /list < 1309554753 487697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only two ways anyone ever finds us < 1309554763 301737 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, this channel is for Brainfuck, GolfScript, etc..? < 1309554765 184540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor, naïve elliott. < 1309554765 579090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1309554769 784748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also intercal, underload < 1309554772 449144 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre, ostensibly, yes. < 1309554774 13267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :// < 1309554775 581362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1309554776 630572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/// < 1309554776 980311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1309554781 532158 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I got here through #haskell < 1309554783 319281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the official bf joust channel < 1309554785 99842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but usually we're offtopic < 1309554787 676735 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, we were actually talking about esolangs only 10 minutes ago or so. < 1309554791 284141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: oh well that's just personal recruitment. < 1309554795 361949 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1309554795 510453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yikes < 1309554804 232584 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, you didn't come through during the Great Channelling, did you? < 1309554810 594114 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, so < 1309554812 555538 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no < 1309554826 233063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly, 'twas a day none who saw it could ever forget. < 1309554835 944857 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think elliott dropped into #haskell and said "hey, somebody come to #esoteric" < 1309554846 734848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, ah, no, this was greater still. < 1309554872 722169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dropped into #haskell and told them to come to here, and then I told the one guy who showed up to join #ooc-lang. < 1309554892 198524 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got here by doing /j #brainfuck out of curiosity < 1309554913 369776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: well, you're in the right place < 1309554919 327462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike the people who somehow think freenode has religious channels... < 1309554920 232502 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latest comment on that 2+2=5 video: Aλγεβρα. the best part of mathematics. God i adore it. < 1309554923 911326 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1309554931 389256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMAO Aλγεβρα < 1309554938 779256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's amazing < 1309554940 878672 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is like the only place #haskell isn't considered esoteric. < 1309554943 862160 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember the guy who thought this was a hiphop channel but i forget his name < 1309554945 454507 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing guy that < 1309554945 975653 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1309554959 420361 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truth < 1309554964 103596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: i would say that the top tier intellectuals of #haskell are #esoteric quality :D < 1309554971 494609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike all those terrible _practical_ folk < 1309554986 624884 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Three people in the last 24 hours seem to have thought it's some kind of tech support channel < 1309554991 35701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan became so top-tier he miraculously stopped being in #haskell any more, he was just that #esoteric < 1309555001 765851 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: surprising amount of people in #python are Schemers/Haskellers < 1309555010 543807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: you may be interested in our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1309555013 914598 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But python's not a language~ < 1309555019 370357 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and occasionally MLers and Ocamlers < 1309555027 419219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there's a lot of people in #python who are there because of... bad life decisions i guess? < 1309555033 617679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than innate character flaws such as enjoying python < 1309555035 844272 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heavy drinking < 1309555039 174000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1309555041 97023 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: no, PHP's not a language < 1309555046 789116 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: seems like they'd rather join #coq though ;-) < 1309555051 533155 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: It's a reference to an earlier conversation < 1309555058 567789 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1309555060 231785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: better than those ruffians in #agda < 1309555060 590050 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or agda) < 1309555070 358926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: [asterisk]trolling session < 1309555080 922223 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1309555089 993331 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#python has got to be the least useful channel on all of ircdom < 1309555106 359423 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what do they even talk about? Ruby? < 1309555106 507939 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: I kind of agree < 1309555112 268815 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too fascist about staying on topic < 1309555114 546454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah #python is like < 1309555117 189958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ask a question < 1309555121 455270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fifteen people who don't know the answer < 1309555123 948647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :waste five hours of your time < 1309555127 989086 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nihil: they talk about how stupid whatever question was just asked is < 1309555128 887360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by trying to get the source code to your entire project < 1309555134 647886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they tell you to completely restructure and write everything < 1309555136 574677 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: #ubuntu is the same way < 1309555139 208593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they don't know how to solve your problem < 1309555142 10720 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and part of the reason I switched to arch < 1309555142 551871 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#programming is the same way < 1309555152 218020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: my experience with #ubuntu is that it's so high-traffic you literally never get a response. < 1309555154 497413 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there really a < 1309555156 428370 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#programming < 1309555157 498091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless someone just pipes ubottu at you unjustifiably < 1309555158 883665 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really??? < 1309555166 686655 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Yeah. It's depressingly awful. < 1309555172 43784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but theres a ##programming < 1309555180 113087 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a #linux < 1309555184 317800 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a pretty boring channel < 1309555186 434887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: also, you could have just switched to Debian :-) ...although #debian isn't that good either < 1309555195 634818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it _is_ unofficial, IIRC, maybe it's actually ##debian < 1309555199 58316 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's #gentoo? < 1309555200 401156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the official Debian is on OFTC < 1309555201 480733 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well I can't even remember why I decided to try Arch now < 1309555207 942906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: full of Gentoo users, I'd presume, so... "yeah" < 1309555210 229624 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was just on someone's recommendation < 1309555211 553514 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo < 1309555213 476934 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*l < 1309555278 603024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think #ubuntu is objectively the least helpful channel on irc < 1309555281 659116 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PART #esoteric :"I found 1 in /dev/zero" < 1309555291 760741 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should do a study < 1309555298 603764 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never been in any of these channels < 1309555303 687257 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: it's full of this guy http://www.filehurricane.com/photos/7162007115229PM_ricer_10.jpg < 1309555311 572034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: go to ##php its like going to a zoo < 1309555320 36310 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309555320 755770 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: I might cry a little < 1309555331 606943 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: using php is like going to a zoo < 1309555339 141222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oblig. http://funroll-loops.info/ < 1309555340 721242 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a zoo where all of the animals are in the same cage < 1309555348 789384 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka one massive namespace for everything) < 1309555349 144401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: no, it's interviewing for the position of an animal at the zoo < 1309555366 718440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott knows this because he was raised in the zoo. < 1309555370 913506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1309555372 36821 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1309555377 120595 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gentoo http://funroll-loops.info/computer.jpg < 1309555378 201268 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that is not true. i have determined that like 10% of #ubuntu users actually get answers. #plover is now the least useful. < 1309555396 960237 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, now, you can't blame the PHP users. They lack the higher cognitive functions to operate as we do.~ < 1309555400 270993 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there are only four people there counting me, and i haven't gotten an answer to the question i've asked three times now < 1309555402 357079 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, wait, was that animals? < 1309555406 764637 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember anymore. < 1309555413 83656 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only get an answer if your problem is something like "I accidentally removed the gnome panel how do i get it back???" < 1309555421 351668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, yeah, I feel bad for mocking elliott about it. < 1309555422 27321 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not like there's too much traffic for people to see my question < 1309555424 478343 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats plover < 1309555425 11513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: whats it about < 1309555429 230969 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Plover < 1309555436 928483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats plover < 1309555450 88124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting on php when i was eight years old is like < 1309555451 357634 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, CVS is *so freaking bad*... < 1309555453 928569 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :open-source stenographry software < 1309555455 866342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those documentaries about ELEVEN YEAR OLD CHAIN SMOKERS < 1309555462 216860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats exactly what its like to grow up on php < 1309555473 964232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know any world outside of your infestation < 1309555483 538557 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a great phrase < 1309555495 908259 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot believe there exists any CVS repositories still. < 1309555500 335026 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, there should be a minimum age before you can be exposed to programming. < 1309555502 466449 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would smoke a chain? < 1309555503 225994 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: People still use CVS? < 1309555508 599875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cvs is great, it's like c++ < 1309555512 457684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just trying to like < 1309555513 472672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :understand it < 1309555514 117313 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, heavy smokers. < 1309555515 812332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a fun experience < 1309555516 860018 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Yes. < 1309555517 934317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you forget it's serious < 1309555518 793621 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace_this_one_character_in_a_string() <- how you name php functions < 1309555525 978869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: or maybe we should just ban PHP altogether < 1309555535 680462 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree completely.. you should be able to program as early as 5yrs old, but you shouldnt be allowed to use a computer until you're 12. < 1309555538 661607 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it had gone the way of the dinosaurs and the Dodge Dart < 1309555545 506547 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurray! i got a question answered! < 1309555546 512371 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :git cvsimport is pretty much the only way to make it usable. < 1309555550 294079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, that's good too. < 1309555550 590526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: reminds me of that eler strip... < 1309555566 79008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1309555578 637581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf it's fourohfoured < 1309555579 475064 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likewise, git-svn is the only way to make Subversion usable. < 1309555585 449687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/wp-content/images/ep032.jpg < 1309555587 392942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: pretend this loads. < 1309555602 744311 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably doesn't help that I've only started to understand *any* version control system after figuring out Git. < 1309555615 115678 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The various distributed VCSs make sense. < 1309555615 979584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, over two years since eler updated < 1309555620 888082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead dead dead < 1309555624 225167 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried, i cant. :( < 1309555637 200527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(over four since the last _real_ update) < 1309555637 551584 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you pretend to describe it? < 1309555638 76512 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im reading http://esolangs.org/wiki/D1ffe7e45e now < 1309555641 754267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: ok. pretending. < 1309555644 449734 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-distributed ones *literally make no sense*, and I have no idea how anyone uses them without resorting to pulling it into git. < 1309555644 637154 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I like git and hg, mostly < 1309555648 830048 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, but remember the Prophecy? < 1309555651 518801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should i do a world-famous dramatic reading is it required... < 1309555652 353873 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I prefer git, but hg's alright. < 1309555653 976974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: which prophec < 1309555654 153848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1309555660 742380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: git = hg < 1309555664 958629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same damn thing < 1309555666 357253 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its command set is an expansion of BrainFuck. < 1309555676 906149 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The differences are slight, I agree. < 1309555679 151840 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madk... < 1309555680 471162 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the one that it gets updated in December 2012, and the shock brings the net down, < 1309555693 910991 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://importantshock.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/git-vs-mercurial/ < 1309555694 284671 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Making it not like "emacs vs. vim" but more like "emacs vs. xemacs". :P < 1309555722 503931 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh, I met be getting paid to write php. I'm not sure if the disgust I'll feel every second is worth the money. < 1309555722 859879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: and either side you take youre still advocating for a system whose central idea is "lets just store the entire tree on every commit and compress it if it gets too much" < 1309555725 835898 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*might < 1309555728 234545 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the analogy was gunny, if nothing else < 1309555731 514110 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*funny < 1309555732 838943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like "version control system" more like "tree list system" < 1309555735 778584 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Its command set is an expansion of BrainFuck. < 1309555741 793798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: no. homelessness is better. < 1309555745 303187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :take it from me. < 1309555748 270270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :php. not even once. < 1309555751 229906 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed that because it's just too Far. < 1309555762 675924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BrAiNfUcK < 1309555763 30420 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe I can write a php code generator in Haskell < 1309555771 843745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone loves capitalising brainfuck < 1309555778 521328 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, yes, the model is more "Let's implement a filesystem that's amenable to versioning" than "Let's implement a version control system". < 1309555785 248609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: just do ghc core -> php < 1309555788 784249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: it'll be slow as fuck, but, ... < 1309555792 994575 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1309555807 283197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha lol Phantom_Hoover < 1309555809 372170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :failed at the capitalisation < 1309555809 721308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :himself < 1309555825 512226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, please shut up about that. < 1309555841 633763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there is universal agreement on that, the only disagreement is when its the first word in a sentence < 1309555848 304991 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no evidence beyond a single word in the readme that you're right, and you're being idiotically pedantic about it. < 1309555859 219791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: er, you realise that there has never been any dispute about this? < 1309555865 123582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only argument i had with ais was about first-sentence positioning. < 1309555866 524386 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :until now < 1309555874 246039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we agree unanimously that its first-letter uncapsed in the middle of a sentence. < 1309555881 788603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is absolutely no evidence in the original distribution to suggest otherwise whatsoever. < 1309555889 671323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few pieces of evidence in favour. < 1309555900 9057 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equivalent of BrainFuck [-] < 1309555901 773867 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed a spot < 1309555922 837106 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although d1ffe7e45e has all the commands that BrainFuck does, the language may or may not be able to achieve an Arbitrary effect at an arbitrary point so it is difficult to determine whether or not it is Turing-complete. < 1309555926 871466 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :two spots < 1309555956 862100 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in any case, 'Brainfuck' is well within the bounds of acceptability; 'BrainFuck' is not. < 1309555968 907714 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And, of course, the only really fundamentally important and *so absurdly better* bit about git/hg/etc. is that they're distributed. This is what they get right that everything else does not. < 1309555969 281693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but if youre gonna brick peoples heads in for capitalisation < 1309555972 611142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its pretty ironic to get it wrong yourself < 1309555986 632979 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it's < 1309555992 938637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: whats your excuse for not using darcs < 1309556001 460473 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Meh. < 1309556004 506174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: you're not capitalising your statements, you're already outside the bounds of "standard" written english < 1309556008 13146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your excuse? :p < 1309556012 880837 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Apathy. < 1309556013 274728 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*English < 1309556015 522224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what, there's no point in this discussion. < 1309556022 32766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: lol < 1309556025 886712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am laughing out loud. < 1309556028 521152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: maybe I can write a php code generator in Haskell < 1309556037 453488 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP < 1309556038 855998 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell < 1309556039 381163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Elliott, perhaps I can write a generator for PHP code in the Haskell language. < 1309556045 107782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : so uh, I met be getting paid to write php. I'm not sure if the disgust I'll feel every second is worth the money. < 1309556052 631355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is possible that I am going to be paid to write PHP code. [...] < 1309556053 529625 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language defined by which haskell specification < 1309556058 622667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: need i go on < 1309556081 595289 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the Glasgow Haskell Compiler. < 1309556099 145915 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever revision is the latest < 1309556103 537761 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: That's not a spec, that's an implementation of a spec. < 1309556106 865550 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know < 1309556189 837845 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello last night < 1309556199 52303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1309556204 492135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im last night < 1309556225 448839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its great to be last nite cuz when youre last nite everythings so awesome < 1309556227 400678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1309556238 206900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION twiddles thumbs
< 1309556238 355363 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the mathematical disproof that I'm thinking might work is a bit as shaky as "Can God make a rock..." except applied to omniscience. Like asking God to make 1+1=3, but knowledge-wise < 1309556240 324139 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, :/ < 1309556263 258169 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its easier to disprove things when you throw omnipotence into the mix < 1309556266 552007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you look weird < 1309556282 809679 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: have you ever heard of theological noncognitivism? < 1309556294 662415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theology < 1309556310 73791 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, theological noncognitivism < 1309556315 855919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Theological noncognitivism is the argument that religious language, and specifically words like "god", are not cognitively meaningful." < 1309556318 666564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha that's great < 1309556326 546527 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's more or less true < 1309556329 353512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you instantly win every argument because they use words you don't like < 1309556339 695196 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really have any primary attributes that you can use to describe it < 1309556348 653624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but its kind of like saying "Russell's set" doesn't mean antyhing < 1309556352 518409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because it's paradoxical < 1309556363 449758 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre, I guess to an extent, I agree, since unless you define "God", it's meaningless to have a discussion. Any two people will have two or more different ideas about what God is. < 1309556365 135918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore Russell's paradox isn't real < 1309556365 663327 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only define it in terms of "God isn't this, or God is like this" < 1309556374 943857 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: exactly < 1309556390 760693 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't debate something where you have a completely different idea of what the subject is < 1309556400 332630 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks < 1309556404 401280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yw < 1309556414 937269 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, considering that the definition of God seems to be a moving target when the subject of proof or disproof comes up, it seems like a futile effort < 1309556459 701073 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why any disproof should contain a description of what sort of God is disproved. < 1309556461 521584 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1309556484 423670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god cant exist wnhere god=onkey: proof: if evoluations is true then why monkeys?? < 1309556485 693968 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, let's go from an abstract perspective < 1309556490 555094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed < 1309556497 856008 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the minimal axioms a God must satisfy? < 1309556513 31502 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't any < 1309556517 919412 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't literally be anything you want < 1309556529 110631 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, does Zeus count as a god? < 1309556530 10310 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I believe that God is really all of the whales in the ocean" < 1309556537 364441 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Sure, why not? < 1309556550 701309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: thats a rather useless definition < 1309556551 514647 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can disprove one god, I don't see why you couldn't disprove them all. < 1309556563 8244 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless definitions of god are best definitions of god < 1309556563 594869 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do sufficiently advanced aliens count as gods? Do the Nox count as gods? Does Q count as a god? < 1309556564 48243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that, you might as well have a word fodijg, which means nothing. < 1309556578 703361 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: A category can be anything you want, it still satisfies basic rules. < 1309556601 746981 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: okay, it has to be un-observable < 1309556618 499683 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which my definition of whales wouldn't fall under < 1309556618 829818 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the Goa'uld gods? Are the Ori? (Not too keen on SG-1's ever-changing definition of "god", which in order to exclude the Ori, IMO, requires "good") < 1309556620 74845 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :miracles??? < 1309556620 234260 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: First we have to define first principles, then we can decide what qualifies. :D < 1309556661 635930 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magnets < 1309556668 204082 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rainbows < 1309556694 745616 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre, the God of Abaham, Isaac, and Jacob is observable when it wants to be observable... < 1309556701 708457 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all have in common the fact we don't know how they work NihilistDandy < 1309556712 757037 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Abraham < 1309556716 72225 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it is? < 1309556716 255156 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :amaals < 1309556722 819529 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: People didn't know how groups worked until they tried. :/ < 1309556727 283595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking miracles < 1309556728 205112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :honk < 1309556733 422726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :re miracles??? < 1309556735 173126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is intellectual < 1309556754 361339 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benevolence, for instance, is not an axiom of godhood. There are evil (or at least dickish) gods in mythology. < 1309556754 839972 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre, God speaking to Moses is something that Moses is capable of noticing < 1309556777 916628 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : LMAO Aλγεβρα <-- no one told them it's arabic, not greek? < 1309556787 738164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Aλγεβρα < 1309556790 452103 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Exactly :/ < 1309556795 87789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most artistic of sciences < 1309556807 527893 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.1 axiom of gods: theres no axioms of gods < 1309556818 393384 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/go wild/ < 1309556827 45425 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Fight Club is not a well-defined mathematical object. < 1309556855 171016 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, theology. < 1309556862 911550 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, yes it is. < 1309556864 260370 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi phantom_hoover < 1309556864 601497 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what you did there < 1309557035 948992 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1309557091 279257 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1309557133 822375 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I go to clean up the shrapnel from a teabag and you're discussing the definition of god out of nowhere. < 1309557170 880757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I go to clean up the shrapnel from a teabag and you're discussing the definition of god out of nowhere. < 1309557172 119138 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :477) I go to clean up the shrapnel from a teabag and you're discussing the definition of god out of nowhere. < 1309557193 611763 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@109.74.204.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word God is polymorphic < 1309557229 693560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word Polly is godmorphic. < 1309557301 946944 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The polymorph is god. < 1309557329 141732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1309557716 464165 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So it follows that to proove the existence or necessity of the number one will be to prove the existence of God." < 1309557719 804525 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lD4Ze9KtHI < 1309557773 85579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :re you searching for youtube vieos just so you ancomment on them < 1309557784 278953 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Basically, he used the Bible to say "God can be identified with 1", and I think is running with it... despite previously having claimed that this won't require the viewer to trust the Bible as an authority) < 1309557798 190782 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, not just so I can comment < 1309557798 700299 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this music isnt classy enough < 1309557841 611654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :play him off keyboard cat started playing in another cat as it started < 1309557843 896183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was good < 1309557860 747018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@TheDcac i didnt say if you hated him i just said why dont you want him to exist? < 1309557860 895706 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this proof is boring < 1309557861 44122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1309557861 192967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides half of what we believe in science is an educated guess anyway < 1309557861 193139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThePlatoon4 2 days ago < 1309557861 193282 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: not enough inheritance? < 1309557873 247877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.walkinginfreedom.blogspot.com/ < 1309558124 882999 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to look at the d1ffe7e45e interpreter < 1309558148 946209 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :code.txt "your code goes here" < 1309558186 969802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you invent your own interp < 1309558196 611481 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpreter uses an unbounded tape size, but due to technical limitations will stop being unbounded if the tap size reaches 2^63 cells. < 1309558239 432740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1309558268 71856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote "The interpreter uses an unbounded tape size, but due to technical limitations will stop being unbounded if the tap size reaches 2^63 cells." --d1ffe7e45e interpreter < 1309558269 309705 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1309558277 183005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote The interpreter uses an unbounded tape size, but due to technical limitations will stop being unbounded if the tap size reaches 2^63 cells. < 1309558278 59537 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :478) The interpreter uses an unbounded tape size, but due to technical limitations will stop being unbounded if the tap size reaches 2^63 cells. < 1309558365 609319 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the source code still has a bunch of functions left in from the pogo interpreter < 1309558377 257181 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like bottles and masculinity < 1309558390 621529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem was posed by John McCarthy as follows. We pick two numbers a and b, so that a>=b and both numbers are within the range [2,99]. We give Mr.P the product a*b and give Mr.S the sum a+b. The following dialog takes place: < 1309558390 793992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr.P: I don't know the numbers < 1309558390 968455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr.S: I knew you didn't know. I don't know either < 1309558391 118629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr.P: Now I know the numbers < 1309558391 494886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr.S: Now I know them too < 1309558393 79868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo and zzo < 1309558467 233094 :eitan_!~eitan@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1309558486 895592 :eitan_!~eitan@unaffiliated/variable NICK :variable < 1309558494 280466 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good dialogue < 1309558526 816755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh erm what is this mail i have received < 1309558560 137964 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheap viagra < 1309558567 877364 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for less < 1309558571 11498 :variable!~eitan@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309558574 871272 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :male enhancement < 1309558578 376066 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :female enhancement < 1309558583 269071 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1309558609 67052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmail why are you being slow < 1309558615 596404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to slit your throat and eat your blood-- thanks for being fast < 1309558623 328207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now youre not loading the mail < 1309558626 655059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill slit your throat and eat your bl < 1309558628 262676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat your bl < 1309558628 786032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bl < 1309558629 663347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on < 1309558630 587416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1309558684 467442 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox 5 whatsnew screen has a picture of windows im not using windows. it also asked me if i wanted to make firefox my default browser. how rude < 1309558692 351575 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats an "awesome bar" < 1309558698 669942 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't seem to have one < 1309558716 904487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone has one < 1309558727 630043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if its insufficiently awesome beat your head against a wall until it is < 1309558728 857794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just use chrome < 1309558729 910484 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's just the "location bar" < 1309558798 773391 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i usually use chromium < 1309558806 876782 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i also have firefox for reasosn < 1309558828 357349 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://support.mozilla.com/media/img/wiki/morehelp.nurse.png < 1309558881 581721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im scacred < 1309558969 441264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg gmail load < 1309558992 42175 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it die < 1309559004 901455 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my gmail is fast... < 1309559056 637825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its fast now < 1309559276 710640 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-43.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1309560128 389050 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1309560774 951029 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1309561249 451183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1309561453 263678 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b634b.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1309561735 353259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: MigoMipo = copumpkin = variable = elliott = hagb4rd. < 1309561812 927158 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1309561813 254240 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host < 1309561813 402701 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1309561947 711896 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you're just saying that to hide the fact that they are all your sockpuppets < 1309561956 460983 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1309561971 341169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, quiet, you. < 1309562386 58788 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to hide the fact that it was your fault no one spoke in this channel for over half an hour < 1309562396 434789 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you ran off five people < 1309562402 414293 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I invented the second pokemon card puzzle, which is also "win this turn". Maybe the third one will then, instead, be "maximize your chances of winning". < 1309562553 690478 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even more goals can be added in files written in the future. < 1309562606 274156 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some with special rules during the game (Pokemon Card GB2 has some opponents who play with a special rule) < 1309562809 349985 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's fun. musl now seems to have hit a compile bug. < 1309562813 859547 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiler, even. < 1309563194 6858 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to win at these two games: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon_card/puzzle.1 and http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon_card/puzzle.2 < 1309563236 979859 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1309563264 350314 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I THROW THE CARDS ON THE FLOOR AND CALL THE OTHER KID A BITCH < 1309563278 801922 :variable!~thing@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1309563289 234212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote underpants < 1309563290 960101 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1309563293 869129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1309563300 513967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote cliff < 1309563302 5536 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :161) cpressey: I have actually done a waterfall-model project that almost worked That's where you have a flexible kayak that bobs and weaves between the rocks as it plummets off the cliff < 1309563320 399811 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Calling your opponent a bitch and stuff isn't going to help you to win the game. Especially since your opponent will not even get a turn. < 1309563325 92960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes Phantom_Hoover < 1309563326 782460 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.19033 < 1309563352 710961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sure that was addquoted. Ah, well. < 1309563371 758791 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :could've been beleeted < 1309563388 991621 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it wasn't in hindsight. < 1309563480 347633 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you find the proper way to win? < 1309563559 242375 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think we're about due for an album anyway." < 1309563563 511020 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(6 hours ago) < 1309563564 524455 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1309563599 38236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, that AH's twitter or...? < 1309563610 407706 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, someone on Reddit < 1309563616 478952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1309563622 808546 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/homestuck/comments/ie7s5/hussie_is_not_working_on_the_eoa_but_hes_making/c231wtz < 1309563676 96224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesyesyes. < 1309563904 518542 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...we JUST HAD 2 albums released < 1309563909 335515 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's EOA? < 1309563915 720095 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :End of Act < 1309563928 882794 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :End Of Act 5 is coming sometime soon, presumably < 1309564308 550316 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds