< 1308009736 144100 :DocHerrings!~DocHerrin@pool-71-246-72-142.bltmmd.east.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 4.0.1/20110413222027] < 1308010001 115033 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1308010213 526832 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :This channel rated Þ for "You are Only Allowed to Use Þis Channel if you Have a Legitimate Keyboard" | Join ##verybadattitude for more intellectual discussions | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1308010262 723568 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Cannot join ##verybadattitude (You are banned). < 1308010266 948896 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1308010272 238661 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me or is everyone banned < 1308010272 558717 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1308010276 904541 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1308010280 698435 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought i'd have to beat up Gregor there for a minute < 1308010297 609914 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, our attitude is not bad enough to qualify yet < 1308010301 25160 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you should glogbot it < 1308010306 90848 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_matrixofsolidity/ <-- good use of disk space < 1308010309 804848 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: It has the chanserv +b *!*@* mode, which is slightly distinct from just having the channel mode because in fact the channel will become joinable once a minute, but as soon as you join you'll be kickbanned :P < 1308010324 652472 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: X-D < 1308010335 595499 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :joinable once a minute? < 1308010338 373895 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So if you time it right and have discussions REALLY quickly... < 1308010339 216446 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1308010364 383167 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Chanserv joins the channel to kickban you, then parts, but the channel only actually ceases existence (so loses its ban list) after about a minute. < 1308010393 53759 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1308010406 682212 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible to leave ChanServ in there, isn't it? < 1308010412 453805 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it never ceases existence? < 1308010414 357865 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Gregor do javascript dudes still think writing programs in continuation-passing style manually is the key to WEB SCALE speed < 1308010427 398230 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, as soon as *anyone* enters *everyone* get banned? < 1308010455 294012 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1308010478 433288 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: AFAIK you can't make chanserv set more restrictive bans ... for everyone :) < 1308010546 395301 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1308010582 660818 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can I say, it has a very bad attitude *shrugs* < 1308010585 81856 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES I GOT IN < 1308010605 250254 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ruins it for everyone forever < 1308010624 181500 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically everyone needs to keep away for >1minute then one person can be in there for like one second? < 1308010628 583363 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ... whuh? < 1308010635 807772 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joking about the forever < 1308010649 519900 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And getting in doesn't mean staying in ofc < 1308010653 323159 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still < 1308010659 269986 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: AFAIK it'll reset whether people are trying to /join or not, so you don't need to keep away :P < 1308010714 340884 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so if you time it *just* right, you could actually have several people in there? < 1308010742 232406 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Not sure, I don't see why not though. < 1308010752 4512 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets set up bots to coordinate conversations in there < 1308010754 148157 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really short conversations < 1308010812 891430 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, this is like the numbers irc! ships meeting in the ocean to exchange "warez" < 1308010823 168439 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*numb3rs < 1308010940 972549 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1308010942 524299 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessss < 1308011024 226184 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"backtrace them!" "huh, we're banned? how can they have banned us, they don't know which name we're connecting with!" < 1308011078 689671 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loldoalfaolaol < 1308011141 548875 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, do Alf, AOL AOL! < 1308011171 620165 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :alf do aol! lol aol! < 1308011287 92860 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a lousy palindrome < 1308011324 281971 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so bad at being a palindrome it fails to be one < 1308011342 597466 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1308011402 683303 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're not a very good palindrome yourself though < 1308011441 116912 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tehporPekaC < 1308011490 319363 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :>renslo< < 1308011537 243353 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what really sucks haskell's module system < 1308011634 86365 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't < 1308011638 930772 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what really sucks haskell's module system < 1308011720 687565 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1308011921 308424 :foocraft_!~ewanas@89.211.107.185 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1308012296 209239 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Factor's is worse < 1308012416 230538 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c's module system is awful < 1308012579 959170 :foocraft!~ewanas@89.211.107.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308012801 712808 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: how < 1308013291 178119 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: what's bad about it? < 1308013315 103910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, there's no room for finding vocabs outside the ... directories where Factor's expecting them. Actually, hmm, not sure about that. But there's no way to deal with two independently developed samely-named vocabs < 1308013321 121164 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1308013331 680846 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: haskell's? < 1308013334 97464 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hiding directive and choosing between qualified and unqualified are pretty sophisticated as far as I can tell. < 1308013334 277294 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not ml's < 1308013337 79501 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1308013339 809184 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, dunno about that. < 1308013353 354649 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically there's no way to parameterise a module on another module < 1308013354 349581 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that sucks < 1308013439 778000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure Factor's on the same boat there < 1308013468 333542 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless parameterising modules doesnt madate being able to parameterise on stu.. I'm clueless < 1308013481 227786 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An example of parameterising on a module please? < 1308013503 53040 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lost my motivation to explain right after complaining < 1308013509 594831 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe tomorrow < 1308013521 255693 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill find the augustss post about it < 1308013565 371259 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: < 1308013567 21268 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://augustss.blogspot.com/2008/12/somewhat-failed-adventure-in-haskell.html < 1308013567 484752 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://augustss.blogspot.com/2008/12/abstraction-continues-i-got-several.html < 1308013569 382671 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://augustss.blogspot.com/2008/12/abstracting-on-suggested-solutions-i.html < 1308013570 763827 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://augustss.blogspot.com/2008/12/ocaml-code-again-im-posting-slight.html < 1308013627 886948 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: parameterise? < 1308013637 584706 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that kind of like Perl's module system...? I doubt it. < 1308013644 889897 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i linked the blog posts for a reason < 1308013648 681679 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :read chronologically < 1308013658 8548 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOK I DON'T WANT HOMEWORK. < 1308013662 899617 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE SHIT TO DO. IMPORTANT THINGS. < 1308013667 529165 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like playing Risk with friends later. < 1308013671 45541 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eating food. < 1308013677 21743 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN'T MULTITASK, NOEP. < 1308013681 641634 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want me to paste in the blog posts < 1308013682 736736 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyre short < 1308013682 916346 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1308013853 541790 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I'm not sure if this first one really has a point. < 1308013907 101285 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its showing something thats not possible in haskell < 1308013910 408504 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the later articles show how you can do it in ML < 1308013914 631194 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how its still not possible to do cleanly in haskell < 1308013967 729373 :foocraft!~ewanas@89.211.107.185 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1308014075 537519 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: http://www.stefanwehr.de/publications/WehrChakravarty2008.html < 1308014088 243596 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAM! ABSTRACT < 1308014100 752325 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrelevant < 1308014105 649530 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typeclasses arent a viable replacement for the module system < 1308014108 684406 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because theyre a pain to use in this manner < 1308014122 310946 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i linked the blog posts because im not actually interested in discussing this right now so < 1308014144 445914 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good, then you agree that Perl has the best module system. < 1308014154 565991 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will not be discussing further. < 1308014159 964792 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up < 1308014166 635880 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so good about perl's < 1308014168 645747 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1308014174 665851 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: nothing, actually. I was joking. < 1308014182 949272 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1308014216 307104 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has some interesting export features. Modules can export different sets of functions based on 'tags' that you pass it. < 1308014250 794975 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that sounds kind of gross < 1308014251 167581 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise there's nothing special about it. It's a limited subset of other languages module systems. < 1308014460 812459 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Getopt::Long qw(:config no_ignore_case bundling gnu_compat permute) < 1308014491 311022 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big list there is a bunch of config options you can pass that module. < 1308014537 11657 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from wikipedia's Did You Know "... that Stephen Fry was an engineer and aspiring jazz pianist before he captained South Africa's rugby team against the British Lions?" < 1308014604 215266 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1308014606 280236 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you'd think that could easily be expanded to something resembling ML functors < 1308014638 83474 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly don't know how they work < 1308014656 425234 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since you can have arbitrary code execute as a result of those options, I wouldn't be surprised if it were possible, if a bit tedious. < 1308014677 780396 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: well basically you _do_ pass parameters to modules, and get a module instance back < 1308014693 232895 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1308014694 367263 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :except Perl has no type system really so, and ML functors seemed concerned with typing of things. < 1308014699 198303 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: well you'd want to be able to use more than just strings as parameters < 1308014722 101812 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, don't think that's possible actual. < 1308014723 254734 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: well yeah but you could get the non-typing part of it < 1308014767 378668 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess python's module system allows that pretty easily, since modules are more or less just dictionaries < 1308014785 663928 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iiuc) < 1308014796 497493 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could create one on the fly < 1308014798 785013 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they're a special kind of class or whatever. < 1308014807 147582 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, you can dynamically make a module that doesn't exist anywhere on file. < 1308014899 876042 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you couldn't pass parameters to immediately effect the runtime loading of a module < 1308014904 31548 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*affect < 1308014909 931751 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would have to do something afterwards. < 1308014967 692154 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: well i'm not entirely sure about Standard ML, but in Ocaml you cannot pass parameters directly either, instead the functor is a member of the file module which can then apply to parameters < 1308014983 956016 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay, yes you could do something like that. < 1308015001 706906 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*which you can < 1308015002 698994 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be like.... calling a function in the module, more or less. < 1308015007 764606 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1308015034 55961 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy stuff. xD < 1308015057 740933 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc Scala identifies modules and functors with classes as well < 1308015086 447594 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly the same in Python, but I forgot in what ways that applies... < 1308015092 570009 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Ruby however, they're exactly the same thing. < 1308015127 389235 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*with objects and classes, perhaps < 1308015156 420441 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, essentially a module is an instance of type 'module' < 1308015165 441231 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking, really. < 1308015207 241797 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yesterday wikipedia had, for the first time i've seen, a Featured List, but none today < 1308015222 721114 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the featured article was a list article? < 1308015231 475590 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or there were more than one features? < 1308015240 615564 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, as in there was a specific added feature that was a list article < 1308015254 191102 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just above the picture spot < 1308015312 48383 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. < 1308015339 954109 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_lists < 1308015356 116371 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also featured sounds. They must be some pretty impressive sounds. < 1308015392 904599 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the featured sounds appear to be classical music. < 1308015410 337155 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :further supposing the fact that Wikipedia editors are snooty pricks. :) < 1308015490 669680 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1308015611 327660 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you get into the 1900s and up there's more political/historical speeches/recordings. < 1308015643 131958 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing I would classify as a "truly epic sound" < 1308015661 923955 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like some kind of rainforest bird with multi-tonal squaks or something. < 1308015662 538364 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :featured doesnt mean "awesome" < 1308015666 970330 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: shhh < 1308015686 379834 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it said "the best sounds on Wikipedia" < 1308015690 157151 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are old people talking. < 1308015803 611483 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise that there are restrictions on featured stuff < 1308015807 808514 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it cant be a fair use sample < 1308015817 561995 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I'm aware. < 1308015902 88583 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really talking about how these sounds awesomely fit into the rules. < 1308015920 172830 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that they're not good sounds. Well, okay, the classical music is good. < 1308015936 862450 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a different name would be more suitable. < 1308016039 500023 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best sounds on wikipedia in our snooty prick opinions < 1308016095 238172 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the best moments in history, recorded and on Wikipedia. Oh, and some classical music." < 1308016112 28350 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1308016129 56590 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's pretend classical music is a best moment in history < 1308016333 53140 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, see I was expecting to be blown away by the quality of these sounds. In much the same way that I expect such from articles in featured articles. < 1308016337 838597 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOPE. NOT WHAT THEY MEANT. < 1308016346 959406 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been mislead. So many previous minutes, expired. < 1308016866 387453 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1308016928 215230 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-254-86.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308016940 739787 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-167.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1308017156 451901 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1308017968 969425 :Arandur!~Anthony@108-80-52-27.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308018079 677827 :Arandur!~Anthony@108-80-52-27.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net PART :#esoteric < 1308018123 419094 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb clog < 1308018276 303386 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1308019809 124294 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1308020135 242597 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1308020931 145384 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1308020970 150804 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1308021065 104931 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-254-86.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm convinced that Manitou Springs (town of about 5,000, ~8 km², adjacent to Colorado Springs) has managed to suck all the culture out of Colorado Springs (city of ~400,000, ~482 km²). < 1308021134 401008 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-254-86.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... Disturbing. < 1308021278 528593 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should know that manitou is all-powerful < 1308021519 522812 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-254-86.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: *dang* the US has a low average population density. < 1308021540 850379 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-254-86.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 people/km². < 1308021641 355372 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 12 for norway < 1308021684 1722 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-254-86.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and it's about 18 for my state. < 1308021711 150816 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-254-86.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 0.46 in Alaska. :P < 1308022594 155896 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308022659 679627 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1308023245 993356 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i didnt think danes had mathematicians? i just figured danes walked around all day saying 'bjergen schergensensen' and nodding politely to oneanother" < 1308023476 569529 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol that's just ignorant right < 1308023850 748262 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308023873 136743 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-254-86.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1308027269 674642 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION contemplates build systems further < 1308027311 820001 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-56.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1308027416 64964 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if EKOPath does awesome things for x264. Probably not, because the developers are already freakish, but hey. < 1308027528 4294 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bear witness to my awesome new garbage collection idea! < 1308027532 293098 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call it "chaos collection" < 1308027538 387717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1308027547 121760 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each page is designated for a particular /type/ (sorry, need static types for this) < 1308027555 660210 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You allocate by simply chopping up the page and handing them out. < 1308027567 567687 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, i've collected chaos for years < 1308027573 806054 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you reach the maximum allotted amount of memory use, you switched to an LRU algorithm. < 1308027577 255970 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just parameterise it on N bytes rather than types < 1308027586 147800 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Then Fythe can use it for objects less than one thousand bytes or so :P < 1308027587 213792 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Wait for why it's types :P < 1308027595 167512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this sounds interesting *checks log for context* < 1308027609 48790 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The least recently used page is marked as free, and each element added to the freelist for that type. < 1308027638 996209 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not modified yet, just marked as free. Later allocations of the same type can reclaim the same space, and use them, creating aliases. < 1308027649 466287 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type safety is preserved! < 1308027653 112127 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem, correctness? < 1308027662 972180 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even going to try and understand what you're proposing. < 1308027665 140546 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Probably not advisable to use this for recursive types) < 1308027689 458931 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-56.elisa.ee PART :#esoteric < 1308027690 521998 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Don't trace reachability of existing pointers. Just mark the LRU page as free. < 1308027691 377817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oooh this sounds cool < 1308027698 771438 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BTW, you actually mean _constructor_-specific < 1308027703 601902 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the thing is the size < 1308027703 878963 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand it perfectly. it's completely nuts. < 1308027710 3326 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: No, the thing is NOT the size. < 1308027714 283966 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I'm not even going to try and understand what you're proposing. i understand it perfectly. it's completely nuts. < 1308027714 840289 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Type safety is crucial here. < 1308027715 358608 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :456) I'm not even going to try and understand what you're proposing. i understand it perfectly. it's completely nuts. < 1308027719 113850 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Alright. < 1308027721 941159 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But what I mean is, < 1308027724 235283 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You couldn't have < 1308027728 856391 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :data List a = Nil | Cons a (List a) < 1308027731 433464 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In one pool < 1308027736 392671 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd need a nil pool and a cons pool < 1308027740 151254 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, imagine nil has one element embedded in it < 1308027743 192930 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it actually has objects >_> < 1308027762 554142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, wait what? Couldn't there be one globally shared Nil value? < 1308027770 292118 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Erm, imagine nil has one element embedded in it < 1308027770 471668 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric : So it actually has objects >_> < 1308027771 240393 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Null/nil/null/Nil/nool: Ruiner of types. < 1308027774 752440 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amount I hate Vorpal: Thousands. < 1308027776 882803 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OK, well < 1308027781 222889 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Either a b = Left a | Right b < 1308027786 948536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, s/value/object/ < 1308027795 810688 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just saying that you're equating types with constructors, which is only valid in C-like languages :P < 1308027802 41534 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, with records. < 1308027827 867417 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yes, I am, because I'm talking about a fucking garbage collector, and a chaos-inspired one at that >_> < 1308027843 605989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, hm how does low level representation of something like " data Either a b = Left a | Right b" look like in ghc? < 1308027848 480119 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Chaos as in the English word or? :P < 1308027848 690935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/how/what/ < 1308027852 971286 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You mean the values? < 1308027863 301570 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One word representing which constructor, then one pointer after it, consecutively in memory. < 1308027865 459360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1308027907 911120 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, and in case of something like Maybe the pointer is null for the Nothing case? < 1308027911 563633 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a tag on the pointers to Eithers iirc < 1308027938 916849 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no pointer at all i'd say < 1308027948 121741 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So, like my GC then? < 1308027957 743972 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chaos Collection: Best GC? < 1308027969 208482 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: for a certain value of "best" < 1308027983 890624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so you mean for "Maybe Int" Nothing has a different size than Just 3? < 1308027999 188797 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: at least conceptually < 1308027999 672360 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, constructors can have different sizes < 1308028021 786351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes conceptually, but what about in practise? < 1308028038 94172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, right < 1308028056 420105 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i think the first word or so also includes total length info for the gc < 1308028070 734216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm okay < 1308028091 834847 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or actually if there are unboxed fields it may need to tell where they are and what size, too) < 1308028109 780924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, so how many different constructors are possible then? < 1308028126 999234 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1308028183 603051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I think your GC is very interesting. Not sure how well it would actually work though. < 1308028221 473757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, if each pool is type-specfic it would I guess potentially offer a very fast GC, but with many types in a program you could run into issues. < 1308028231 577615 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What's more interesting is if you can argue about its effects on a particular program or class of programs. < 1308028246 514629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I think I just did in some broad terms :P < 1308028262 850749 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean higher level. e.g. for some class the correctness of your final result reduces proportionally with the size of your heap. < 1308028270 68283 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1308028323 103231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I just realised, nearly all C coding I have been doing lately has been for embedded systems. < 1308028344 393431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with lately I mean something like the last 6 months or so < 1308028451 282498 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was helpful. < 1308028456 172790 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Floating point exception". < 1308028465 710854 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Commentary/Rts/Storage/HeapObjects < 1308028470 814432 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Stop dividing by zero. < 1308028473 611825 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: It's not cool. < 1308028475 747397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, if you can I would suggest a debugger at this point. It can mean a lot of things. < 1308028488 677736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, iirc you can get that for other things than div by zero < 1308028488 857272 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Compiler bug! < 1308028493 349887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, *ouch* < 1308028498 869325 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not GCC, though. < 1308028502 786602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, which compiler then? < 1308028507 282893 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EKOPath. < 1308028511 709063 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: lolsy < 1308028513 275596 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which has yet to have a source release. < 1308028514 345089 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Is this GGGGC? < 1308028515 740849 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In x264. < 1308028516 406053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, never heard of it < 1308028519 636927 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Ah < 1308028528 421503 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In benchmarks, it has 2x performance. < 1308028529 959550 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of, I just finished downloading it! < 1308028536 364869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, nice, open source? < 1308028541 333782 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Soon to be. < 1308028544 209300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1308028553 972347 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Until, oh, now, it cost $2000 per seat. < 1308028555 25556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Pathscale?! < 1308028558 775596 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1308028561 859381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is *highly* interesting < 1308028594 396992 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curiously, the clickthrough license already specifies GPL, although no source is included yet? >_> < 1308028594 586041 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the price was enough to clue you in. :P < 1308028598 347863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, why is it going to be open source? < 1308028603 104048 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The news was leaked < 1308028604 277228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, no I googled at the same time :P < 1308028605 479209 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So :P < 1308028617 869717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, though yeah I would have guessed it based on the price too. < 1308028628 964178 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The press release came out before they planned on having source up. < 1308028653 272307 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not out in a day or two, *then* you can get upset. < 1308028663 524099 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Commentary/Rts/Storage/HeapObjects#Pointers-firstlayout < 1308028666 827489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, what made them go open source, I don't get it. Are we going to see VxWorks as open source next!? < 1308028669 711447 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their live chat guy told me that < 1308028680 861233 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I internet married them < 1308028683 317587 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For their kindness < 1308028685 241384 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GGGGC works with EKOPath < 1308028687 495208 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: bad sales? < 1308028690 187962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1308028702 641177 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No idea, but I'm not about to complain. < 1308028704 582641 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Swoot :P < 1308028708 209943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, nor me. < 1308028714 712521 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So we now have GHC as the only major compiler which can cause *runtime* crashes depending on what characters are used in a string literal." < 1308028717 824458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, targets linux? < 1308028730 411703 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. x86_64 only, though. < 1308028737 88435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no problem for me there < 1308028745 419221 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, *builds* Linux (with a small patch that I can't find yet). < 1308028757 311138 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1308028757 490611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : "So we now have GHC as the only major compiler which can cause *runtime* crashes depending on what characters are used in a string literal." <-- *blink* < 1308028757 935372 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No visible change in performance from GCC. < 1308028759 643730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, how? < 1308028763 88090 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OverloadedStrings :P < 1308028764 518310 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/5255 < 1308028801 834591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, ouch < 1308028812 351890 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1308028860 319451 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GHC bug: people can define Functor instances for things that aren't functors." --dolio < 1308028880 451009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1308028901 529324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm off. Practical driving exam. I hate mornings though. Oh well. < 1308028907 369388 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mornings are the worst < 1308028910 602928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1308028910 954757 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need banning < 1308028912 851455 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :outlaw mornings < 1308028916 15715 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1308028922 252539 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :five am to ten am officially no longer exist < 1308028924 38083 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone rejoice < 1308028942 138741 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But those are sleeping hours! < 1308029064 459002 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, got xz built with it... < 1308029065 414817 :CakeProphet!~adam@h50.12.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308029075 151355 :CakeProphet!~adam@h50.12.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1308029075 330835 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1308029161 415471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1308029220 717391 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.54 NICK :dodifer < 1308029283 773873 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many people are named Dodifer. < 1308029288 667364 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I estimate: twelve. < 1308029292 230226 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just me < 1308029751 341064 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, -ipa is a bad bad flag to use. < 1308029764 483368 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes pathcc trigger a glibc bug. < 1308029773 252559 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By God, this is a positive stress test of my system. :P < 1308030136 134483 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Well, xz is slower with it. < 1308030197 250282 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, it takes *cache size* as one of the optimisation flags, and its defaults are for an Opteron, which has fairly beefy L2. < 1308030638 510138 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and you have to *order* it to handle pointer alias more strictly. < 1308030705 247551 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Y%27all_Water_Tower < 1308030708 545307 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :america < 1308030783 694439 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me just be absurd and give it -LNO:alias=restrict < 1308030785 734910 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dodifer: We invent words that the English language was sorely lacking? < 1308030797 944500 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes it assume FORTRAN pointer semantics. < 1308030856 581742 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: suuuuuuuure < 1308030860 76999 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: nice < 1308030866 875998 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The city paid $472 to the W.T. Marx Company[5] of nearby Cincinnati, Ohio to make the changes; whereas a complete repaint would have been nearly three times as much" lol < 1308030896 410698 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which does not help on xz at all. < 1308030906 742166 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor laughs at poor people, especially when those poor people are governments < 1308030921 487712 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty consistently being a couple seconds slower on decompressing $large_file. < 1308030938 643962 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortran pointer semantics should never slow anything down :P < 1308030959 33384 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dodifer: No, I mean that the compiler's output is consistently doing that no matter what I throw at it. < 1308030972 473183 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only thing that helped notably was telling it my cache size. < 1308031001 620887 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an important question < 1308031003 820509 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone actually use fedora < 1308031005 340339 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from linus < 1308031044 106638 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling this is optimised for numerical-heavily workloads. < 1308031073 83237 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme try flac. < 1308031188 78486 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is kernel three still not out yet < 1308031219 375172 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.0-rc3 just came out. < 1308031228 190267 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it any good < 1308031230 506389 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it the crap < 1308031239 129055 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "just" I mean "a minute ago". < 1308031240 698047 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like is it stable < 1308031252 589922 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: seven hours ago < 1308031274 81482 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH < 1308031287 473312 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT IS IT STABLE < 1308031287 652787 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a -rc1, so it should be reasonably stable. < 1308031290 66707 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1308031471 854733 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kay, so flac -8 on Alive 1997 takes 57 seconds with EKOPath... < 1308031524 35885 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your flac is a lot faster than mine < 1308031562 98696 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 62 with Debian's stock package. < 1308031576 844042 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flinix is < 1308031577 353876 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1308031579 769081 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in < 1308031581 922448 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bizns < 1308031583 707256 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same version of flac. < 1308031584 226337 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time with linux THREE < 1308031586 128251 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all new < 1308031592 333493 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuz me this is exctiging news < 1308031645 817762 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to see if it handles -ipa. < 1308031706 180665 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, segfaults in the assembler. < 1308031764 865726 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey pikhq_ im not sure you actually need tmpfs at all < 1308031766 316891 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the block layer < 1308031769 227502 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have initramfs support < 1308031821 125873 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, you don't. < 1308031907 49393 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1308031936 187206 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if BFS saves kernel size < 1308032248 21739 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setup is 13132 bytes (padded to 13312 bytes). < 1308032248 240208 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :System is 358 kB < 1308032249 261485 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: < 1308032273 221784 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if it can actually boot though < 1308034137 720051 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From my testing, I conclude that GCC and clang are actually *really* freaking good at optimisation outside of confusing circumstances. < 1308034160 953041 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pathcc is better, but it's not blowing the others out of the water. < 1308034202 599176 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If pathcc's automatic parallelisation and link-time optimisation *worked* I'd be saying something different, no doubt. < 1308034215 849224 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't, so I'm not. < 1308034528 681851 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc? good at optimisation? < 1308034530 832230 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol at your joking < 1308034555 283286 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok gcc's forte is more breaking programs < 1308034558 19100 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :than being bad at optimisation < 1308034624 912551 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dodifer: In my testing, it's either slightly better or slightly worse than pathcc. < 1308034647 660892 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, I was not able to get automatic parallelisation to work. < 1308034650 849489 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(link error) < 1308034659 420249 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or LTO (SEGFAULT). < 1308035369 676372 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1308036326 414528 :dodifer!~elliott@95.149.228.54 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1308037549 369888 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1308038553 383512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1308038563 926306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor what was that really sad video with the rabbit that fell down the well < 1308038890 605428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1308038953 997019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you americans will be rather confused by this I bet. I failed the practical driving exam because I was to close to the right side of the road when I was about to turn left from a countryside road. That alone was what I failed on and it was enough to prevent me from passing. < 1308038973 569875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha Vorpal can't drive < 1308038977 736972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION emotional support < 1308039002 536260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as if you could drive. < 1308039003 257607 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1308039008 498697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't see how driving a car can be hard, its like a computer except it only has a few buttons and it doesn't crash < 1308039015 165552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean basically < 1308039018 20428 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, US drivers would absolutely *frighten* you. < 1308039026 2060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like how do you even fail at driving < 1308039029 696090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi < 1308039036 993424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whoops i went left but i wanted to go right, i guess i am stupid" < 1308039042 376956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, except unlike a computer you don < 1308039055 67463 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How do you think the US gets away with a driving test that anyone who can compute 1+1 can pass? < 1308039059 437264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :do need* to keep track of everything around you < 1308039066 130526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: because driving si easy? < 1308039073 937584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you ignore your windows on a computer? < 1308039083 888550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean come ON all you have to do is not bash into things < 1308039086 571865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever played donkey.bas < 1308039088 763934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how hard driving is < 1308039093 93026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no but try keeping track of 40 other computer users around you and what they are doing < 1308039093 643755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't hit the fucking donkey < 1308039095 143282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end < 1308039095 877331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the same time < 1308039099 780496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no there's forty donkeys < 1308039100 349145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then it is like driving < 1308039101 440877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardest fucking game < 1308039116 231705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on driving is easier than puzzle bobble < 1308039119 627877 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The cars on the road might frighten you more, actually... < 1308039132 658057 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : i mean come ON all you have to do is not bash into things <-- yeah I'll *love* to see you drive. From behind a barricade preferably. < 1308039144 159413 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If it runs, it's probably street legal. < 1308039152 883929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: unfortunately im not stupid enough to fail at driving, sorry that it won't be entertaining < 1308039158 373862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but driving is kind of pointless though < 1308039164 544679 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in Sweden you can fail the exam if you don't drive in a environmentally friendly way btw. < 1308039166 970553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes hours and you can't do anything while its happening < 1308039168 396474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you can't in US < 1308039181 39105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like doing a rubiks cube for five hour sand then you arrive at your destination < 1308039185 160731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupidest way to travel < 1308039188 782102 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you can drive around a couple of blocks you can pass. < 1308039197 945989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lol, "drive in an environmentally friendly way" < 1308039200 132881 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but driving isn't intellectual but mostly motor skills? so stupidity should have almost nothing to do with it < 1308039204 637321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUYS IF WE REDUCE ENERGY USAGE A TINY TINY BIT < 1308039205 691175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, reasonably < 1308039207 688212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE WILL SAVE THE PLANET < 1308039223 783662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENCE PROVES IT ! ! ! ! ! ! < 1308039226 304203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, basically yes. I agree it don't help much. < 1308039234 424095 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : but driving isn't intellectual but mostly motor skills? so stupidity should have almost nothing to do with it <-- indeed < 1308039239 922390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had no problems with the theory < 1308039241 227133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really love the "save the planet" slogan < 1308039241 910795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1308039248 634241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they don't use that one here < 1308039251 193025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we dont reduce carbon dioxide < 1308039253 758753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the planet will LITERALLY EXPLODE < 1308039274 322099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they use the silly slogan "ecodriving", in English. I have no clue why they use that. < 1308039278 609698 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, we'll reach explosive levels of co2 and the whole thing goes boom < 1308039278 806017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: its not that much motor skills < 1308039286 541655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean there's not much finesse involved in turning a wheel really < 1308039287 658502 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Now to scare you more: I can legally drive *on your roads* with a US license. < 1308039292 400310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean < 1308039296 180156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-fine motor skills maybe < 1308039299 725292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats just kind of like... moving your arms < 1308039309 424134 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Which you get for driving around a couple of blocks succesfully and answering 7 out of 10 multiple choice questions right. < 1308039318 949524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, maybe the cars make driving hard, maybe i need to design a car < 1308039319 130780 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving your arms is motor skills :P < 1308039329 94499 :pizearke!~pup@CPE-65-30-150-106.wi.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308039340 196031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although actually id just write the small amount of extra software required to be a better-than-human driver < 1308039348 396276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cars: the worst?? < 1308039354 769383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, ugh < 1308039355 56867 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Such NIH, man. < 1308039359 652319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad I'm not in US < 1308039361 827056 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.... < 1308039368 965624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yeah i know google are already on it < 1308039380 276567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: swedish rodes must be really boring < 1308039383 717475 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How simple a ruleset would it take for a car to do as well as, or better than a human driver anyways? < 1308039386 620717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have to drive you might as well have some excitement < 1308039387 164965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why? < 1308039391 340625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: ask google < 1308039392 774199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1308039393 680369 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1308039396 33788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because all your drivers are good and boring... < 1308039400 612606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the us its like < 1308039408 482813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dude, you forgot the winter < 1308039408 820587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what stupid fucks will be on the road today??? < 1308039419 334858 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, that is exactly how it is. < 1308039422 90125 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, driving and pathfinding arn't exactly the same problem... < 1308039430 645451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: um < 1308039431 813415 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Google has self-driving cars. < 1308039437 150496 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, ah. < 1308039437 339626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: google are working on self-driving vehicles < 1308039439 179789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, we get enough excitement during winter that we want a calm summer :P < 1308039440 448207 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I see. < 1308039446 72684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: thousands of miles of real-world testing in california < 1308039452 21166 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they drive like non-assholeish drivers? < 1308039457 75000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably :P < 1308039469 984952 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and the only accident so far is that a car got rear-ended. < 1308039481 209213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should try it in sweden without any modifications < 1308039485 204560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEEEE SKIDDING < 1308039488 640442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, during winter yeah < 1308039498 645652 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, which car? < 1308039506 498302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm are studded tires allowed during winter in US? < 1308039520 900380 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Google's. < 1308039522 550499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i should reboot back into linux < 1308039528 207638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna do some haskela < 1308039535 157712 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Depends on the state. < 1308039541 480462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, right < 1308039548 182774 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, heh. I'm not too sure that counts as Google's fault... < 1308039558 717317 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if the program has cases to deal with "omg somebody is going to rear end me" < 1308039568 10493 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: It was at a stop light, too. < 1308039574 569570 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they're not even allowed in sweden in some places < 1308039578 367548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: lmao < 1308039584 1792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1308039584 378526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh true. Mostly central stockholm iirc? < 1308039586 545847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rear-end doesnt mean what ithink < 1308039587 265546 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof we need more robot cars. < 1308039587 639709 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=p < 1308039589 807056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a lot less funny now < 1308039590 225424 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *Basically*, anywhere with winters that are worth caring about has studded tires legal. < 1308039592 919902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, but who in their right mind would go there. < 1308039595 295337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it meant a car flipping upside down for some reason < 1308039597 266501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like < 1308039600 934568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, right < 1308039602 930537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :google car stops orderly at the traffic light < 1308039604 942312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :three seconds later < 1308039606 743639 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: people who live or work there, mostly < 1308039607 528470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spontaneously flips itself over < 1308039612 794020 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yeah < 1308039613 159009 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no-one else would suffer the queues < 1308039616 612464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you not laughing < 1308039629 30347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I would never drive unstudded during winter, exception if I moved to some big city probably. < 1308039630 337970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you not laughing < 1308039681 313461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, but the municipality I live in has as a stupid policy to never use salt during winter unless in extreme conditions. Just sand. So I need studded to get up the hill from where I live when it is icy :P < 1308039690 881687 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't drive at all during winter, but that's just me not having bothered to learn how to drive < 1308039709 561946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: swedenbeach < 1308039714 172696 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ?? < 1308039719 456858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, you don't have a driving license? < 1308039723 298069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we put sand......on road......now we pretend we are in country we actually like . . . < 1308039728 381548 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nope, what would I do with one? < 1308039737 615677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what? That is far fetched < 1308039744 701568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sand on roads is common during winter... < 1308039754 687599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :carpal tunnel syndrme < 1308039754 890624 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they don't use quite enough sand for that effect < 1308039762 738559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: palm trees....on the road....i nwinter... < 1308039769 934037 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, it's quite common. The idea is to increase the amount of traction. < 1308039775 100300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :palm trees < 1308039777 480997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm good to have a license still. In case you need to drive during work or such. < 1308039786 468582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tarski was a palm tree±true±facts < 1308039788 475339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :± <- tree < 1308039790 955931 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done in the US pretty much anywhere that can expect, oh, an inch of snow in the winter. < 1308039803 714498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor i still need that video < 1308039815 953808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, an inch? Come on, they hardly even plow anything but highways for that much. :P < 1308039823 74396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREGOR I REQUIRE THE SAD RABBIT VIDEO < 1308039852 94883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to go on a rampage < 1308039861 881747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjMsQ_NUOMA no this is not it < 1308039866 399935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus what is this < 1308039869 939503 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: given how hard it is to code while driving, not sure why I'd be asked to drive :P < 1308039873 108382 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, rather, if they can reasonably expect an inch of snow in the winter *they will actually have the ability to sand roads*. < 1308039873 895581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god the rabbts voice < 1308039875 731414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mt errified < 1308039882 643162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god the toroises voice < 1308039883 2983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, heh. < 1308039889 474851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARROGANT RABBIT < 1308039891 111073 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To account for somewhat more extreme winters. < 1308039891 290978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, where do you work btw? < 1308039892 265296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE LAUGHING AT ME????? < 1308039893 586262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual quote < 1308039897 551628 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, right < 1308039901 772593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god this rabbits laugh is terrifying < 1308039917 601494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, all of Sweden can expect significantly more than that < 1308039919 460358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that finish written in neon < 1308039927 281942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dudes you are all mssing out on this video < 1308039931 646873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the most amazing thing ive ever watched < 1308039940 352473 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cause a place like Houston is not really going to see snow more than once a decade. < 1308039944 389988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE'LL TAKE LONG TIME TO REACH HERE < 1308039956 694040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :man that tortoise is like < 1308039958 686993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dancing over the ground < 1308039960 640996 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, pretty much the northern half of the US sees more significant snowfalls. < 1308039961 404294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1308039974 557108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1308039979 260289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tortoroyse has gone tu far < 1308039983 794760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, south Sweden is probably worse than I live. The landscape in SkÃ¥ne is so flat and open.... You get cases of trains getting stuck due to 2 meter high snowdrifts having been blown up against the track. < 1308039992 25662 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and SkÃ¥ne is far to the south < 1308039999 978128 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, there's Alaska, which actually is *permafrost* in a lot of it. < 1308040006 249372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know that sad rabbit video gregor linked once < 1308040022 271708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, didn't they use bandwagons last winter to rescue people from a train that got stuck in SkÃ¥ne iirc? I seem to remember reading about it. < 1308040030 999638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone has me on ignore noq < 1308040033 720371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1308040042 934561 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wouldn't have heard about that, I don't read news < 1308040043 114064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, use the logs. See topic. < 1308040047 101422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh okay < 1308040052 669367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: uh what the fuck would i grep for < 1308040057 133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, anyway where do you work? < 1308040064 633541 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, -i "sad rabit" maybe? < 1308040068 719859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine < 1308040074 498739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1308040078 178334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1308040094 163123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well rabbit* < 1308040159 278441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, anyway, how many people die in the traffic per year in US? < 1308040182 266282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe per 10000 citizens or such. < 1308040189 671345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that way it would be easier to compare the numbers < 1308040198 861384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1308040261 576289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: you strike me as sorr of the person who /would/ own multiple sizes of rabbit just to be able to compare them < 1308040267 935630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my secret is out < 1308040292 2030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hehe < 1308040303 998258 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I want a bigger rabbit so I can compare it to this rabbit and say it's bigger!" < 1308040329 585269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i just realised that adding data to something can actually make it more compressible? < 1308040331 253961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess thats obvious < 1308040332 22535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like < 1308040342 390549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :printing all strings of length 999999 is really easy < 1308040351 777574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to printing one, truly-Kolgomorov-random string of length 999999 < 1308040367 846097 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uh, fatalities per 100,000 people was 11.01 in 2009. < 1308040371 136555 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it *kolmogorov? < 1308040384 980335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, let me check statistics for Sweden < 1308040393 909949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently only i fin this interesting < 1308040396 227258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :find < 1308040434 323863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah < 1308040436 330760 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.87. < 1308040446 389514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, 7,4 (cars) 3,8 (pedestrians) < 1308040450 362499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the stats for Sweden < 1308040458 353304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1308040460 535022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I misread < 1308040472 904261 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former is per 100,000 cars < 1308040483 377251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is per 100,000 citizens < 1308040484 364006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/sbv this is hot < 1308040489 531229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, ^ < 1308040502 126718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, now I suggest you get better driving exams < 1308040507 327390 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 7.4 out of 100000 cars die each year, but we don't know how many people were in them? < 1308040522 707700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, why are your driving exams so bad? < 1308040532 556553 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Per kilometers travelled is a better metric, BTW. < 1308040539 287796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find that < 1308040546 13044 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is trying to convert this figure to metric... < 1308040587 397132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what, there seems to be statistics per amount of fuel. wtf < 1308040683 299552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I can't find any km travelled figures, so can't compare anyway < 1308040746 101190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, this is what I can find basically: http://www.trafikverket.se/Privat/Trafiksakerhet/Olycksstatistik/Vag/Nationell-statistik/Arsdata-fran-1950/ < 1308040756 439359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a button for English in the upper corner < 1308040774 315675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if that page exists in English though < 1308040788 356819 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used to have vv.se as the address ... dvbf < 1308040814 463876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes but vägvärket changed name to trafikverket as you know < 1308040822 905540 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, also "dvbf"? < 1308040838 170523 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :vägvärket :P < 1308040844 885171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1308040850 966569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :vägverket* of course < 1308040863 146404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, anyway what did "dvbf" mean? < 1308040866 523467 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, you don't know about dvbf? < 1308040872 750819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, correct < 1308040882 265703 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you not? < 1308040890 33223 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee. < 1308040892 341949 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :det var bättre förr < 1308040900 91958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, aha < 1308040912 82015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, Jag chattar inte mycket pÃ¥ svenska. :P < 1308040919 761150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, faktiskt inget alls. < 1308040930 476519 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :39.3 accidents per hundred million vehicle miles per year for Sweden, 62.2 for the US. < 1308040940 819453 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, we need better driver education. < 1308040945 136539 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast det där är inte en chat-förkortning, den kommer faktiskt frÃ¥n verkligheten < 1308040959 284543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, And we have the bad weather of the north states (apart from Alaska) in the whole country < 1308040963 555976 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(source for both, Wolfram Alpha, and WHY WON'T IT USE METRIC, MILES IS A TERRIBLE UNIT) < 1308040965 856770 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our local "Road Administration" (Tiehallinto; approximate translation) quasi-recently also changed their name to "Destia". There seems to be a trend for picking nonsense names to sound more modern. The post office changed their name to "Itella" too. < 1308040985 98119 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both sound italian < 1308040986 996873 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You also have a population density on par with Kansas. < 1308041001 239217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, säger folk "dvbf"? Jag har aldrig hört nÃ¥gon säga det högt. Skriva det kanske. < 1308041019 688400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, trafikverket is not a nonsense name though. < 1308041021 16102 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you can drive all the way through and count on one hand the number of cars you've seen. < 1308041029 517037 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you choose the path right, mind) < 1308041035 566755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, some other ones went for nonsense names though < 1308041050 906569 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm, förkortningen kanske är text-specifik ja... vanligtvis säger man nog alla orden när man säger det < 1308041055 122441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Which you can drive all the way through and count on one hand the number of cars you've seen. <-- can't do THAT in most of Sweden < 1308041062 921711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, Sweden is rather unevenly settled. < 1308041081 238385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, an average is not going to give you any useful numbers for most of Sweden. < 1308041093 815931 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, exakt. < 1308041110 292342 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kansas has pretty much a single giant glob of population, a handful of smaller ones, and hundreds of miles of corn fields. < 1308041152 876728 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To avoid the globs of population, you only really need to keep off of the Interstate bisecting it. < 1308041173 765345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, well not like that here. South half of Sweden have quite a lot of cities. In the far northen parts you can go for miles (Swedish ones, 10 km) without even seeing a road. < 1308041183 340143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was from a train though) < 1308041216 778551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course most americans probably don't count 50000 inhabitants as a city... < 1308041239 144724 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's funny, W|A gives me "24.4 accidents per hunderd million vehicle kilometres per year" by default, with a "show non-metric" button available. < 1308041263 786877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which non-metric? < 1308041271 850639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and what is the funny part? < 1308041272 605578 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't for me. < 1308041274 860821 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Miles. < 1308041281 208344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1308041287 270594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about furlongs? < 1308041293 660895 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, there it is. < 1308041301 184143 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Show metric". < 1308041315 964835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :geoip or cookies maybe? < 1308041320 825110 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "funny" (in the "curious") part was that it defaults to non-metric for pikhq. I guess by IP geolocation or some-such. < 1308041336 377510 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric : but what about furlongs? Oh, wait, there it is. "Show metric". < 1308041346 34072 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1308041351 246251 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :furlongs are now metric :P < 1308041357 795113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1308041363 447641 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1308041372 503336 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Which irks me, because metric is what I usually want, *especially* if comparing official statistics with any other country. < 1308041410 755792 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our figure is 20.8 accidents per hundred million miles per year; but of course this is an even less populated place and so on. < 1308041429 445263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, xor is one-bit addition < 1308041431 570594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's one-bit subtraction? < 1308041437 554818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, just xor on complement, heh < 1308041440 986260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah < 1308041455 640503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and multiplication is and, right? < 1308041457 540888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, do you have those 2+1 roads in US? < 1308041461 71641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh < 1308041461 646999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%2B1_road < 1308041461 827532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1308041493 323096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1308041495 640530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1308041496 942397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1308041497 920479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes you have a handful says wikipedia < 1308041500 169137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what /is/ subtraction < 1308041502 95596 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Apparently in a handful of places. < 1308041507 569306 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't seen one. < 1308041523 534683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, they increase safety a lot I heard. < 1308041558 623842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1308041561 358585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is one-bit subtraction < 1308041565 309796 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared with just having lines on the road indicating when you can go into the oncoming lane to pass? I'm sure. < 1308041604 863063 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't work as well with US drivers though. Blithering morons seem to not grok the idea of a "passing lane". < 1308041629 45279 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have roads that do short 2+1-style stretches every now and then (alternating the side) with regular 1+1 road in-between the 2+1 sections. < 1308041632 738163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur all so helpful < 1308041634 240065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, hm, well they would have to, since the lane shifts side every now and then < 1308041648 9082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah that is what a 2+1 road is, isn't it? < 1308041682 15851 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I understood from the wiki description that it stays three-lane all the time. < 1308041697 135508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie < 1308041700 653519 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the side-change at the top diagram is like that. < 1308041702 322811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh in total yes. < 1308041702 748817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what logical op corresponds to one-bit subtraction < 1308041710 120880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, though there can be 1+1 sections sometimes < 1308041716 820260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usually it is 3 in total < 1308041719 834956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :misunderstood you < 1308041728 225740 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, XOR? < 1308041733 780012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1308041735 934083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor is one-bit addition < 1308041739 2633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1308041739 449117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1308041740 285684 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1308041742 495503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the same thing < 1308041751 6770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats amazing its like im on DURGZ < 1308041752 523919 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The carry bit would have to be different, right? < 1308041754 677872 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::c < 1308041767 291209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not part of addition or subtraction < 1308041788 900500 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is part of it when you're chaining them for higher bits, right? < 1308041835 415720 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ours always -- well, at least I think so -- just have a one-sided 2+1 section, and then a longer 1+1 gap, and then the same thing for the other side. There's typically signage saying how far the next 2+1 part is. < 1308041847 863709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh, why < 1308041889 62634 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, I see. < 1308041895 204027 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can only add and subtract one, right? < 1308041933 464694 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those operations always rolls over, and the other operation ends up on that value naturally. < 1308041936 368620 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense < 1308041977 200000 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Maybe it's cheaper that way when retrofitting old roads, have to widen just parts of it instead of the whole thing. < 1308042001 91594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm right < 1308042085 447326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, anyway I don't understand how traffic in US can work at all < 1308042238 570960 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Poorly". < 1308042308 219814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1308042311 705590 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, visited the UK National Museum of Computing (in Bletchley Park) last week. There was an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_803 in there. < 1308042313 631571 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall an incident with a driver who was texting while driving on the highway. < 1308042317 901435 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, he *just* went. < 1308042326 69853 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :They changed lane unintentionally more than once. < 1308042331 811490 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :At one point, they were perpendicular to the road...... < 1308042334 451672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1308042335 100569 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1308042343 71705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1308042357 442560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:05:11: Incidentally, visited the UK National Museum of Computing (in Bletchley Park) last week. There was an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_803 in there. < 1308042361 835281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah thats me < 1308042365 274917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :got a problem w/ it???? < 1308042378 936705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they never noticed i was sentient :( < 1308042430 798389 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I now have a picture of you, "yay". < 1308042446 181507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im the most girly looking retrocomputer < 1308042576 34617 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a wonder that we still have population: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Atlanta_75.85.jpg < 1308042623 6258 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that really is 14 lanes. < 1308042641 157947 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-52.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308042861 611238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: that's nice and wide < 1308042898 562069 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not even the widest. < 1308043002 223561 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliot. < 1308043017 445621 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/RF_-_Houston_Texas_IH10.1.jpeg < 1308043064 360662 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For reasons of not-being-apeshit, the lanes aren't all crammed together. But, that's a 26 lane highway. < 1308043141 82239 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, really, that is all the same damned road. < 1308043157 511917 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With onramps and offramps to different parts of the road. < 1308043167 393368 :CakeProphet!~adam@h160.57.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308043172 980220 :CakeProphet!~adam@h160.57.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1308043173 160016 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1308043278 632384 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Client Quit < 1308043294 447578 :CakeProphet!~adam@h160.57.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308043294 886057 :CakeProphet!~adam@h160.57.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1308043295 65525 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1308043431 118133 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that road system requires this: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:Texas_turnaround.svg < 1308043438 104658 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fuck I should sleep, it's 03:30. < 1308043445 31558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: hi its ten am < 1308044201 615709 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308044324 389174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Miss < 1308044336 979775 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1308044350 350364 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How r u < 1308044371 272670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what this channel is about < 1308044380 393468 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1308044386 787064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming < 1308044398 250204 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About what !! < 1308044409 250104 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Miss: programming languages, to be specific < 1308044414 925127 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy nutso ones < 1308044417 714200 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be even MORE specific! < 1308044417 893648 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha < 1308044436 628678 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1308044439 345320 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, "crazy nutso ones" is a bit of an understatement, don't you think? < 1308044440 106136 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1308044450 897854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is the feather user and appreciation promotion group retroactiavte < 1308044454 67679 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i dont know how to make it even more true < 1308044459 225440 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im not realy spake english < 1308044465 448332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spaked english < 1308044473 478430 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;( < 1308044489 548654 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, see: Malborge < 1308044491 299858 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :See: Aura < 1308044520 428398 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :malborge or malbolge < 1308044547 806829 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1308044554 897291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :miss elliott < 1308044565 624438 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :missy be thrownin down < 1308044569 346562 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im the hottest rond < 1308044571 800591 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :round.. < 1308044572 501826 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1308044579 370152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quality channel < 1308044585 567783 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUALITY < 1308044589 642072 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIP QUALITY < 1308044592 472482 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERES SLEREAH < 1308044597 226531 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1308044611 562170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Miss: r u the reincarnation of alfred tarski famous kawaii british pyhsicist... < 1308044625 538887 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tarski, british? < 1308044632 594641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1308044638 548416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tarski is the most kawaii british physicist of all time < 1308044639 400866 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly < 1308044646 886073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes as british as he is a physicist so shut your mouth < 1308044654 55167 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true! < 1308044671 40441 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, Lymia is channeling her inner Japanese. Yep. < 1308044681 265277 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1308044681 964319 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1308044684 956077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1308044685 855703 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;( < 1308044689 893872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Miss: ;( < 1308044705 154872 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so confusing T_T < 1308044717 761786 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need sleep < 1308044739 780762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tarski needs sleep < 1308044764 265827 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now im vacation  < 1308044772 74172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now im vacation  < 1308044789 988403 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.O < 1308044840 749824 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :v < 1308044856 751535 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1308044857 109495 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1308044862 915952 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ It's just like Minecraft! < 1308044877 237791 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1308044879 458683 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :  < 1308044888 74321 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :  < 1308044896 126667 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : S  < 1308044898 750027 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1308044901 908408 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too spammy. < 1308044910 214534 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ùيه احد سعودي < 1308044919 263623 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ههههه < 1308044999 345288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههه < 1308045001 207325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :هههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههه < 1308045002 52865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههه < 1308045003 44445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :هههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههv < 1308045003 989693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :هههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههه < 1308045004 802231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههه < 1308045257 535396 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS < 1308045260 876922 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION explodes < 1308045640 845542 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 QUIT :Quit: Rooms • iPhone IRC Client • http://www.roomsapp.mobi < 1308045899 853720 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308045902 952274 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :وش ذا < 1308045931 870957 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ما شا الله انت سعودي < 1308045942 126292 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :قاعد تطقطق علي < 1308045950 90180 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :英語ã§ï¼Ÿ < 1308046012 583224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :لله < 1308046020 591621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :عد تله انت < 1308046026 637209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what i just said < 1308046073 495233 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you anderstand !!! < 1308046093 930920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1308046101 888050 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :英語ã§ï¼ï¼ < 1308046113 165382 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm speak arabic < 1308046126 654396 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-! < 1308046143 906213 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;( ;( ;( < 1308046155 564683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ã§Ø§Ù† < 1308046158 598917 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1308046173 966037 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ãˆã„ã”ã§ã¯ãªã›ã¦ãã ã•ã„ < 1308046174 663829 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. < 1308046176 95147 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squiggles. < 1308046197 131306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308046211 759916 :Miss!~shosh@2.88.106.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1308046221 478048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1308046228 498931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :miss is very confused < 1308046275 996539 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÙÙŠ Int -> a -> [a] < 1308049309 784769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network.CGI.Protocol replace :: Eq a => a -> a -> [a] -> [a] < 1308049309 964418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude enumFromThenTo :: Enum a => a -> a -> a -> [a] < 1308049310 143997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap findWithDefault :: a -> Key -> IntMap a -> a < 1308049311 982198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1308049395 493774 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\a i x -> take i a ++ x : drop (i+1) a) [1,2,3,4] 2 5 < 1308049397 32731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,5,4] < 1308050779 437033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1308053792 864979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308054340 270284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1308054447 319763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308054754 892706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-10 points on a reddit comment, awesome < 1308054769 601824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've finally angered people enough to downvote me rather than just ignore me < 1308054772 857524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wow < 1308054777 133519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you say? < 1308054786 294784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think Reddit has a search for lowest-rated posts by a particular user) < 1308054793 228658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/hz87n/journalist_writes_programing_is_too_hard_wishes/c1zlub4?context=1 < 1308054796 98868 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, was it Minecraft related? < 1308054796 884036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I don't think I've ever downvoted a post at Reddit < 1308054810 709782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: no, although that would be a rather efficient way to get downvoted into oblivion < 1308054832 461793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, you are attacking a strawman there < 1308054843 978764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am, but the original post was just as idiotic, so I don't really care. < 1308054848 368520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people on the internet generally hate that < 1308054859 29121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do? The whole comments are attacking a strawman of the post. < 1308054871 510913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly latching on to the fact that Objective-C is mentioned as "lol blogger wants to make iphone apps". < 1308054901 878032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, it's twelve points lower than my comment "my envisiaone powerh boards is more advanced than ur phbb" < 1308054911 632102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good redditting etiquette < 1308054925 443208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed, you can't order comments by bottom, it seems < 1308054926 116886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just top < 1308054935 195017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, objective-C is a good language for writing iphone apps in < 1308054956 584250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has the best library support for that < 1308054995 852512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... a non sequitur < 1308054998 364100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never claimed it wasn't < 1308055002 478374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1308055090 229346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308055101 842811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[13:36] it's not quite a non sequitur < 1308055103 194521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[13:36] but almost < 1308055104 532421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[13:36] I'm not arguing with you, just commenting on something vaguely related < 1308055135 83857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1308055155 614951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I can actually delete that karmawhoring /r/programming submission I made two years ago < 1308055160 537770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the one hand, I'd feel good inside < 1308055165 489746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, over one thousand karma :( < 1308055356 943750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that link karma or comment karma? < 1308055367 582653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, deleting something removes the karma from it? does that work for downvotes to? < 1308055378 189943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :link karma, and hmm, good point < 1308056092 513080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, a case of weird kerning made me see the :// in a URL as a smiley < 1308056105 461441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it's hard not to < 1308056151 68126 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was it a link to? < 1308056152 46381 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1308056174 982487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, wouldn't that affect discussions about it? < 1308056190 468324 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1308056212 398428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it would eradicate all the valuable discussions about the link that were had < 1308056215 849051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., none < 1308056268 136570 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The link about iTunes going DRM-free? < 1308056285 506646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1308056450 801997 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple wanted people to pay them to get rid of the DRM on their current collection? < 1308056483 830976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the drm-free stuff is a separate product, so yeah < 1308056494 703602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think its fully drm free yet even < 1308056506 22783 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow :/ < 1308056529 517856 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1308056714 735456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1308057030 284042 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1308057048 690473 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1308057092 658964 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1308057276 742093 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1308057329 675670 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1308057499 697607 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1308057864 838156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Oh uh, update etc. < 1308057869 661814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS MY DUTY TO NOTIFY THE MUCH LESS VIGILANT < 1308057871 532342 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saw it < 1308057877 5825 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it in Google Reader < 1308057892 461384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or DO you < 1308059182 155949 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1308059411 517461 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1308059432 551090 :FIQ!~fiq@unaffiliated/fiq QUIT :Quit: Lämnar < 1308059479 666287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now where's oerjan when you need him < 1308059539 204140 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably out partying like always < 1308059672 130283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1308059678 267743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's such a ... party dude < 1308059691 797121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308059742 292525 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah oerjan is the "dude" in "partitude" < 1308059742 558801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot, status report. < 1308059746 322570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1308059746 506467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 5 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1308059755 385010 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means partying < 1308059872 610099 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As far as we know, every force weakens with distance. " < 1308059886 717709 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought strong force between quarks gets stronger? < 1308059921 516944 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/astrology.html < 1308059957 63334 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way. < 1308059966 357996 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The universe is expanding faster and faster now, right? < 1308059980 106617 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... Einstein's universal constant fits. < 1308060599 410205 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1308060634 860623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I thought strong force between quarks gets stronger? < 1308060641 51729 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's complicated. < 1308060670 15525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what they say, what doesn't quark you only makes you stronger < 1308060672 551499 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It weakens with distance, but only up to a point; and colour confinement means that realistically you can only get them so far apart. < 1308060771 865635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, what are you trying to say it doesn't sound sensible. < 1308060806 269272 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1308060844 236791 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind. < 1308060989 530038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean his cosmological constant? < 1308061020 380897 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The cosmological constant really annoys me because of all the idiots who say "SEE EVEN WHEN EINSTEIN WAS WRONG HE WAS RIGHT".) < 1308061035 849709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's science fanboyism, plain and simple.) < 1308061094 34500 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think that's it < 1308061102 225286 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How simple is the math anyways < 1308061128 843183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For GR? < 1308061133 314032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy complicated. < 1308061155 934820 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just math it up and you're done < 1308061183 958761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, so it's not all that complicated, but it's extremely hard to actually use it.) < 1308061196 113578 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :math. it. up. < 1308061227 580467 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't listen to Phantom_Hoover, he doesn't even have a formal degree in math. so what was GR short for again? < 1308061240 602055 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like general relativity? what the fuck is that, always wondered < 1308061295 392450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, like, trampolines. < 1308061297 641952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In space. < 1308061305 915681 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love trampolines! < 1308061311 388449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you love space. < 1308061314 266588 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's a safety net of course :\ < 1308061330 879023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a problem in space. < 1308061338 136106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't hit anything. < 1308061344 178515 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about all the gravity flying about in there? < 1308061358 170920 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if some of it hits me in the face < 1308061379 845873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry, it tastes like apples. < 1308061383 215996 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how the "rubber sheet" explanation for gravity.... relies on gravity to work. < 1308061400 968590 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1308061404 91581 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recursive metaphors. < 1308061407 371079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, that is because it is a terrible explanation for it which is wrong in at least 3 ways. < 1308061454 486324 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the geometry of space change the way the rubber sheet metaphor describes it changed if the rubber sheet was flattened out but the distortions made from a birds-eye view were still there? < 1308061461 986685 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, is there a way to salvage it? < 1308061524 862247 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an explanation of gravity that relies on one's intuition about gravity to work, and not in a very direct way. < 1308061531 247447 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like saying "gravity causes gravity" < 1308061531 976566 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, no. < 1308061553 616931 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, you'd need 4 dimensions to extend it to 3d. < 1308061557 442562 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* < 1308061636 573070 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean < 1308061652 240584 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1308061666 821167 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as an explanation. But if you look at the rubber sheet from the top, the "straight lines" get distorted < 1308061683 238837 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that distortion accurate to whatever way gravity gets distorted in actual reality? < 1308061686 818028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1308061689 275229 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1308061721 945487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308061745 262462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:25:31: It's like saying "gravity causes gravity" < 1308061749 324603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not. < 1308061768 144609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nothing like the actual reason it happens, but it's not tautological. < 1308061938 265374 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The actual reason it happens is that the geometry of 4D spacetime is altered such that the 4-vector which points 'futurewards' is deflected to have a space component.) < 1308062004 279600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, do you actually understand general relativity? With that I mean, "able to calculate on it" < 1308062027 758496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no, but I understand The Principles. < 1308062038 308319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1308062055 906336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can calculate on a trampoline in space. < 1308062063 530428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I can't do it as well as oklofok. < 1308062083 85036 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1308062090 662480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, err, what do you mean < 1308062149 909639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, have you considered that I have more amusing things to do than substitute for your scroll bar. < 1308062169 570821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh so "trampoline in space" is mentioned above? < 1308062173 185067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have said that < 1308062197 909395 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :trampo llineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees :DSDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1308062210 393136 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN SPACE < 1308062358 22230 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:27:46: Not as an explanation. But if you look at the rubber sheet from the top, the "straight lines" get distorted < 1308062361 466382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1308062422 297266 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that that no is to the question I aked that you didn't pate, rather than the tatement you pasted? < 1308062437 235905 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My s key was being funky < 1308062463 602063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry Sgeo I don't know how to pate tatements. < 1308062478 559832 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :paste statements < 1308062661 220145 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so.... < 1308062667 89092 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The flow of time is bent so that it has a direction < 1308062669 84569 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... < 1308062673 187517 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A direction that's not time related. < 1308062676 264553 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=w= < 1308062695 1335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please everyone I am not this magic science man. < 1308062707 898056 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have a vague grasp on most things. < 1308062716 83261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up magic science man. < 1308062812 629544 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic science NERD :DDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1308062861 677432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up magic maths nerd. < 1308062868 841675 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not nerd :( < 1308062875 721685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You and your pentagrams. < 1308062892 991507 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION draws a hexagram < 1308062909 828613 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JEW < 1308062918 93289 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jewish Minecraft nerd. < 1308062927 498673 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-212.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :margaxeh < 1308064082 16035 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308064826 809667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy SHIT. < 1308064831 607522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That comment is now at -52. < 1308064840 415478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am lolling. < 1308065395 939745 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1308065414 734798 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which comment? < 1308065438 585798 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1308065632 268669 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: elliott isn't perfect < 1308065639 597972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I am. < 1308066388 581791 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-21.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1308066759 63952 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308067247 208783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you may also wish to note that I am in fact just this random 16-year-old, not some science prodigy. < 1308069203 686262 :Kustas!~xix@gprs-inet-65-21.elisa.ee QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1308070920 599334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you only found that out now? < 1308071005 30339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo has worryingly delusional beliefs about me most of the time. < 1308071230 132505 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1308071733 966589 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1308073201 718231 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl if ("David" == "David") { print("True"); } else { print("False"); } < 1308073202 130609 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1308073208 632418 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl if ("Nancy" == "Nancy") { print("True"); } else { print("False"); } < 1308073208 985660 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :False < 1308073217 189255 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAVE FUN WITH THAT ONE GUYS < 1308073235 790452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does == work in Perl the way you'd expect? < 1308073242 199949 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Da" means yes < 1308073246 856782 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Na" means no < 1308073254 215189 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence true and false :P < 1308073263 44116 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1308073275 608765 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that is not the reason :P < 1308073283 496086 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you guys will NEVER figure out the reason. < 1308073286 298979 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but PH believed me :D < 1308073287 256394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit that seemed plausible. < 1308073304 358264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some kind of localisation thing combined with weird comparison! < 1308073330 863737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "NaN" < 1308073334 2748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: and == is numeric equality < 1308073334 693916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end < 1308073342 877630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"David" reads as 0, but "Nancy" reads as NaN < 1308073347 199163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we all know nan isn't equal to itself < 1308073347 387103 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Damn you :( < 1308073347 566803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end < 1308073353 261211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was easy < 1308073362 144328 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-250-111.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1308073370 390573 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-224.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308073402 757067 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured that's what it was < 1308073418 357012 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why you chose my given name as your "normal" test case, i do not know < 1308073424 354438 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just wanted to puing me i guess < 1308073427 256298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a conspiracy < 1308073521 939707 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1308073537 496044 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308073565 429969 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PART :#esoteric < 1308073921 753378 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl if ("Nancy" == "Nancy") { print("True"); } else { print("False"); } < 1308073921 933106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1308073922 194954 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :False < 1308073940 194189 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait oops I messed it up < 1308073965 276475 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow it worked in private < 1308074102 50257 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : its a conspiracy < 1308074112 334622 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Dave conspiracy, to be precise < 1308074252 760987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1308074266 147656 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:55 oerjan> its a conspiracy < 1308074266 345433 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:55 oerjan> the Dave conspiracy, to be precise < 1308074293 143397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up i'm thinking of a hi-LARIOUS reference to respond with < 1308074665 107332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you guys miss it if i start typing numbers normally again be honest < 1308074701 297531 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl if ("Dave" == "Dave") { print("True"); } else { print("False"); } < 1308074701 720674 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1308074706 197908 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop that < 1308074749 281174 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we'll be shattered by grief < 1308074757 416925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wat < 1308074765 75718 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote wat < 1308074768 337335 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :71) * oerjan swats FireFly since he's easier to hit -----### Meh * FireFly dies \ 87) if you watch jaws backwards it's a movie about a giant shark that throws up so many people they have to open a beach \ 161) cpressey: I have actually done a waterfall-model project that almost worked < 1308074782 288046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote \bwat\b < 1308074783 370788 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1308074793 323760 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just accept that perl makes no sense < 1308074795 700364 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl if ("Nancy" === "Nancy") { print("True"); } else { print("False"); } < 1308074796 60303 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at /tmp/input.30620 line 1, near "===" < 1308074815 582336 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl tell me why perl is so crazy < 1308074815 980767 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't locate object method "so" via package "crazy" (perhaps you forgot to load "crazy"?) at /tmp/input.30696 line 1. < 1308074834 103429 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: um the statement you tried is the one which _does_ make sense < 1308074892 413976 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does egobot filter control characters out of its input < 1308074933 856109 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them < 1308074942 727520 :Kustas!~xix@228.224.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1308074970 91962 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was secretly putting bolds in there to try to get it to mess up < 1308074971 186266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sure am shitty at max/msp < 1308074984 431587 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl if ("Daveq" == "Dave") { print("True"); } else { print("False"); } < 1308074984 792962 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1308074988 370794 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaagghhh < 1308074989 658915 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh hm the _channel_ filters some too < 1308074994 901848 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Quit: 1... 2... 3... HUGS! :D < 1308074995 81760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah +c < 1308075003 370684 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that makes sense < 1308075003 550286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lymia hugs way too much. < 1308075014 97801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: apologise to perl plzkthx < 1308075016 647331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its upset < 1308075021 690897 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never < 1308075030 19134 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print "\x1b#8" < 1308075030 443055 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.#8 < 1308075054 850740 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if that would work, but it *would* have been fun if it did < 1308075077 646724 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that explains why the nancy test worked in private too < 1308075081 90175 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1308075124 686095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl has secret features in it to not allow people to mock it < 1308075147 259596 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net NICK :JokeKiller < 1308075200 6706 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, there's a manpage "console_codes" that describes a lot of escape sequences, tried to display my powers of arcane knowledge using ESC#8 the other week but someone just looked it up in the manpage and pasted the description < 1308075210 901132 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1308075331 791654 :JokeKiller!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1308075368 297406 :foocraft!~ewanas@dyn-86-36-34-221.qatar.cmu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1308076759 855535 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :pumpkin < 1308076816 73760 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :c0pumpkin < 1308077731 804408 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-224.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that I could actually have this thing generate Autocrap. < 1308077737 782454 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-224.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not *going* to, but I could. < 1308077799 415927 :Kustas!~xix@228.224.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: nights < 1308078042 833894 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it could generate intercal code too, maybe you'll make it do that? < 1308078142 256280 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-224.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1308078154 254253 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-128.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308079057 126147 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is now boring < 1308079080 654938 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xom is bored? < 1308079431 51046 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUTBUT DECLARATIVE BUILD SYSTEMS < 1308079434 596127 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORREALZ < 1308079607 664743 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Reboot < 1308079612 179070 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff! build systems are for losers who need to keep changing their code, just write the code until it's done, then compile it and distribute the result < 1308079753 220816 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1308079800 96450 :c0pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1308079990 233877 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Xom is bored? < 1308080002 696135 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you cannot make references if they don't even show up on Google. < 1308080027 29583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, revise after more specific query: < 1308080041 122515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crawl < 1308080060 467683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would sgeo ever make reference to anything non-crappy enough to show up on google? < 1308080084 510535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has he ever made Homestuck references. < 1308080482 765684 :yiyus!2383vince@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1308081611 767240 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1308081646 184516 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308081678 673266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1308081684 32171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1308081774 5300 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can has a proper solver for c99 < 1308081871 90430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solver? < 1308081923 39491 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You ask the solver system to look for something. It executes the callback for it and caches the result. < 1308081970 204622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: [asterisk]executes each callback for it in order (of preference) and caches the result of the first one to succeed. < 1308081975 38372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP TAINTING MY DESIGN WITH YOUR SIMPLIFICATIONS < 1308081975 536913 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1308081983 802096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I see the code? < 1308082063 841686 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/CcVf < 1308082126 799058 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh my god this time travel is getting out of hand. < 1308082135 495515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: lmao; what page are you on? < 1308082139 788114 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :4460 < 1308082146 845422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whuh? < 1308082159 316303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott suggested you were into A5A1. Anyway. < 1308082163 560026 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these troll romances. WHAT AM I EVEN READING NOW. < 1308082171 650183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He... is? < 1308082177 131276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4460 < 1308082182 128484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes? < 1308082187 308399 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note how this is well within act 4. < 1308082191 308560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1308082192 374132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1308082199 40860 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no this is act 5. < 1308082199 220165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note how you're an idiot? < 1308082204 85351 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1308082209 996414 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numbers confuse me. < 1308082216 778036 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless they're on a space trampoline. < 1308082217 882755 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Unlike Autoconf, I refuse to do a comprehensive test for, well, every major C99 feature. < 1308082230 581174 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to need a recap very soon... < 1308082246 500240 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If it claims to be C99 but isn't, well, I'm not cleaning up after the asshole compiler dev. < 1308082253 481728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wait, you don't actually support multiple solutions for a single goal? < 1308082257 559626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's useless then < 1308082268 227829 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Whaddya mean? < 1308082269 508607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it stands you can't add another separate solution to use the posix c99 command < 1308082277 207706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :solutions are a _list_ of functions < 1308082300 750138 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, dur, that's a relatively easy fix. < 1308082323 624360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: A recap won't be necessary. < 1308082333 644355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are very, very close to the end of actfiveactone, btw. < 1308082461 236762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does CakeProphet know names? < 1308082489 348566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Is CakeProphet Sgeo? < 1308082497 234309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? Then yes, CakeProphet knows names. < 1308082508 157084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet might be Sgeo though. < 1308082509 744196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: are you sgeo < 1308082525 136368 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Be Sgeo < 1308082664 803310 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cannot be Sgeo. Sgeo's dad forbids it. < 1308082985 388912 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1308083069 153943 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.45.135.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1308083077 213599 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.45.135.69 QUIT :Changing host < 1308083077 393022 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1308083079 305230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Hey, remember whining about the pesterlogs in the first few pages? :D < 1308083085 894526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEMOS SURE ARE GREAT HUH < 1308083110 39340 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I much preferred the memos to the pesterlogs, TbH. < 1308083118 268937 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were hilarious, rather than expository. < 1308083124 830540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who doesn't like pesterlogs is a bad person and should die. < 1308083135 155902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will speak no further on the matter. < 1308083267 996658 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I like the pesterlogs, I'm just kind of tired of reading at this point. < 1308083300 697237 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I enjoyed them more with the humans. Less drama stuff. < 1308083325 65338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Act Five Act One... isn't typical. < 1308083356 68758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a vital part of the story, and you only find out why on the last page, 4524. < 1308083390 928448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hivebent was planned pretty much as soon as Homestuck began, so it's not like Hussie decided to make the comic all edgy all of a sudden. < 1308083431 928127 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I can definitely tell that it ties in < 1308083446 710255 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually all of this later stuff seems like it was written before the beginning, or at the same time. < 1308083476 198735 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it would be ridiculous if he just tied everything in after-the-fact. < 1308083479 479160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pretty much everyone finds Act 5 Act 2 more enjoyable than Hivebent. < 1308083501 298119 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting. < 1308083563 258815 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Kay, so. In theory, you should be able to do any number of solvers now. < 1308083582 459494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wert. < 1308083600 572644 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, wait, minor issue. lappend does an end append, not a front append. < 1308083619 826644 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I at least *presume* that it makes most sense for later solvers to take precedence over earlier ones. < 1308083681 473449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Does it? I'd define gcc first because it's preferred, and then c99 as a "last" resort < 1308083688 600550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose for extensibility, that is preferable < 1308083815 64206 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :4481 is hilarious < 1308083844 634852 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, that joke was set up age ago. < 1308083848 93020 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ages < 1308084383 911845 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam. end of act 5 act 1 < 1308084494 462241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty epic ending :P < 1308084529 917374 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am *rapidly* approaching the point where my tests need to be in a seperate file. :P < 1308085585 645439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To keep whipping my personal horse, I maintain that TCE changes the language semantics in that it changes the kinds of computation the language can perform. With it a state machine can be built out of mutually recurring functions and run virtually forever instead of crashing, that sounds like a semantic change to me." < 1308085590 259023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's laugh at this idiot lol < 1308085838 127252 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow who would even think that < 1308085874 475752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCE? < 1308085901 861224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail-call elimination < 1308086019 607983 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds a bit too intellectual to be guido though < 1308086034 942421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pro-TCE, so of course they're not guido < 1308086066 604043 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, pro-TCE? that wasn't too obvious < 1308086077 881440 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The _kind it can perform_? < 1308086112 740809 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'd think to criticise it if it weren't for the criticism in here, but now it's been criticised in here, I easiy see what's wrong with that statement. This is scary. < 1308086172 391033 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the power of #esoteric empowering you, or something < 1308086207 301795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how by their logic, buying more ram changes a language's semantics < 1308086242 142514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TL;DR: Prefer a DSL over a state machine any day of the week." < 1308086243 587271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :r u srs < 1308086333 548255 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1308086343 197881 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the dsl models a state machine < 1308086344 72365 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then < 1308086360 467135 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DSL? < 1308086366 583569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU GUYS AND YOUR ACRONYMS < 1308086369 714500 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :domain-specific language < 1308086374 371492 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: FSM-DSL-C E P T I O N < 1308086405 434104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: slow clap < 1308086421 741233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that meme is now over. < 1308086424 559345 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never saw that movie is it any good < 1308086426 304453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have perfected it. < 1308086433 551292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, it is the beest movie. < 1308086513 86162 :foocraft!~ewanas@dyn-86-36-34-221.qatar.cmu.edu QUIT :Quit: if you're going....to san. fran. cisco!!! < 1308086769 488090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"State machines are like gotos, each transition is a jump. The main difference is that unlike gotos, state machines have no built in language/debugging support which makes it more tedious to figure out what is going on inside them when they break." < 1308086782 784084 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :state machines are like rube-goldberg machines < 1308086828 246773 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's language/debugging support built into gotos. < 1308086829 900384 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :state machines are like gotos except more structured < 1308086977 866299 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to know what goes on inside gotos when they break < 1308087019 753611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :splinpers < 1308087036 62621 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosomeplaceotherthan < 1308087037 300529 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, let's reparse the quote, what was it that broke again? < 1308087045 886779 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, they're probably wrong whatever it was they were saying < 1308087046 253205 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goanywhere < 1308087062 278361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :comefromanywherebut < 1308087170 595260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what if there was a blend of come from and goto, where it had to be a two-way link < 1308087246 954742 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think many compilers actually will set up the two-way link (in a way) while compiling a gotoful program < 1308087267 420357 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it does ssa it'll need to know the come from's < 1308087292 164202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, comefrom would be much more civilised if the line in question had to consent to it < 1308087342 784191 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1308087478 728289 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: label raped. < 1308087511 720921 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-149.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1308087512 33741 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-149.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1308087512 213266 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1308087697 34680 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now for some zebra water sports: http://i.imgur.com/q8IYg.png < 1308087797 279733 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: O_O < 1308087999 90793 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: maybe you'll know this: do I want pickled herring and schnaps for breakfast on August 27? < 1308088040 603405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, whaat ewww < 1308088047 38032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, for *breakfast* < 1308088048 432738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell no < 1308088073 124650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore Vorpal, he knows nothing of the wonder of pickled herring and schnapps. < 1308088092 645465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, have you ever eaten that < 1308088098 418654 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it'll probably actually be second breakfast though < 1308088105 126070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ah okay < 1308088105 927562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I can infer that it is awesoe. < 1308088107 621302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot better < 1308088109 409781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*awesome < 1308088150 869097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, Jag har vissa dubier angÃ¥ende schnappsen. < 1308088163 145904 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nubbe dÃ¥? < 1308088166 940491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, Ska du köra? < 1308088177 304461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :vänta < 1308088185 182787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :du hade inte körkort va? < 1308088187 877272 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :jag har fortfarande inte tagit körkort nej < 1308088193 979190 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kommer inte ha gjort till dess heller < 1308088200 360194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, va, det har ju gÃ¥tt flera timmar sedan dess!! < 1308088214 263904 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sedan slutet av augusti i Ã¥r? nej, det har inte varit än < 1308088234 176812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nej jag menar sedan du nämnde det :P < 1308088282 774129 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, okej men jag är absolutist, sÃ¥ jag är fortfarande emot spritintaget. Men beslutar du dig ändÃ¥ för det sÃ¥ kan jag inte ge nÃ¥gra rÃ¥d om bästa val. < 1308088295 222708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, varför inte surströmming? < 1308088384 580670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ^ < 1308088385 468423 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1308088389 208577 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dels för att det inte erbjuds, men framförallt för att jag inte vet hur man äter det < 1308088393 669948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1308088399 892016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s t o p < 1308088402 556851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, har du aldrig prövat det? < 1308088408 243268 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nope < 1308088411 802772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1308088444 595324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, jag önskar eder en god natt. < 1308088448 718704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1308088890 912358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, if you're going to speak to each other in Swedish, do it in a /msg. < 1308088909 159035 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very polite to carry out a conversation in front of everyone else that most of us don't understand. < 1308088914 489924 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's all vorpal's fault < 1308088934 864453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes, of course, but only you can stop Vorpal fire. < 1308088995 845548 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-52.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1308089076 837201 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1308089080 278143 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1308089086 691275 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DID YOU MISS ME? < 1308089093 445178 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the short summary is that 1) I haven't gotten a drivers license since this morning when it was last discussed 2) august is in the future 3) vorpal is an absolutist and disapproves of consuming alcohol < 1308089121 937782 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right so Vorpal being Vorpal then. < 1308089137 183492 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1308089141 78511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*so, < 1308089146 552515 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be more irritated by alcohol < 1308089146 787375 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, *right, < 1308089159 534183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Then I tried drinking it instead." < 1308089182 82275 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you're not supposed to put it in your eyes < 1308089326 130263 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I used to be more irritated by alcohol Sgeo: you're not supposed to put it in your eyes < 1308089329 618957 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :457) I used to be more irritated by alcohol Sgeo: you're not supposed to put it in your eyes < 1308089352 309559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hey, I made that joke first! < 1308089379 70586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T CARE IF OLSNER DID IT BETTER < 1308089388 58179 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahaha < 1308089593 236382 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-128.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1308089594 916253 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-229.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308089882 290810 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-229.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1308089893 458324 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-145.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308089949 92122 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ValuesOfBetaMayGiveRiseToDom < 1308089977 865581 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's that word again: neat neat neat) < 1308090013 426927 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRINTER ON FIRE < 1308090031 784808 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUT IT OUT! < 1308090136 699713 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se NOTICE #esoteric :PRINTER ON FIRE < 1308090192 339926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1308090775 561573 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-200.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1308090790 243585 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-145.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1308090955 290249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1308091263 680030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1308092133 831020 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1308092183 280603 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1308093145 254735 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1308093821 954247 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1308094844 345187 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1308094864 919115 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric